highaltitude.log.20140521

[00:00] <craag> aadamson: Any particular reason for prefering the discovery over the nucleo?
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[00:42] <aadamson> craag, if you are around still... I just started there I think, pick the one with the best processor/features/etc
[00:43] <aadamson> basically dive in the waters fine :)
[00:44] <craag> Cool, thanks! Quite exciting... just need to persuade my boss to pay me to play with them :P
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[00:57] <en4rab> Has anybody managed to abuse the radio in a CC430 processor enough to make it do RTTY at 300 baud/500Hz shift ?
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[06:41] <Rebounder> The dancing sp9
[06:42] <sp2ipt_> wonder where's the next warp stop
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[08:06] <ibanezmatt13> morning all. I've been working on a footprint for a little Coilcraft transformer to go with an LTC3109 circuit. Here's a pic of the recomended land pattern next to my transformer design. Reckon it'll pass if it's within the right dimesions?
[08:06] <ibanezmatt13> http://pbrd.co/1i2MF0c
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[08:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> ibanezmatt13: I'm not sure how you did it but the pads don't line up partculalry well: http://imgur.com/gHwhHfu
[08:13] <ibanezmatt13> yea it's not particularly marvellous is it... :P
[08:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'd try and ine tune them if possible
[08:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Fine tune...
[08:14] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah I'll do that. I'm suprised at how close it is to being within the right dimensions.
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[08:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, the sizes look OK
[08:14] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks for doing that little rejig of the pic, that helps a lot :)
[08:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> No probs :-)
[08:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just one image layed over the other
[08:15] <ibanezmatt13> great :)
[08:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> The Coil diagram pads look at 45deg rotations
[08:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> That would make sense, 90-45-90-45 etc
[08:16] <ibanezmatt13> yea I tried that but thinking back I think I cocked it up in Eagle, I'll try that again
[08:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Cool
[08:16] <ibanezmatt13> So, the exams have begun Steve_G0TDJ :/ Maths have been fine so far, but mechanics yesterday was a bit of a disaster...
[08:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh lovely
[08:17] <ibanezmatt13> yea, stupid mistakes all the time unfortunately.
[08:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm SO glad I don't have to worry about stuff like that. I don't think I caould pass a thing!
[08:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> The thing to do is, use the experience to build on and do better next time
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[08:18] <ibanezmatt13> yeah precisely. I'm certain I understand everywhere I went wrong now, but nothing you can do 'bout it
[08:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nope, don't worry about what has gone by, just be prepared for the next round
[08:18] <ibanezmatt13> yeah I'll make up for it, won't be too much of a knock down I hope
[08:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hopefully. :-)
[08:19] <ibanezmatt13> yep!
[08:19] <ibanezmatt13> anyway, time for a brunch and a coffee ;) See ya Steve :)
[08:19] <Maxell> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=B-52 going for Syria!
[08:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK MAte catch you later
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[08:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Amazing flight
[08:20] <Maxell> sp9uob also very nice
[08:20] <Maxell> I wonder how it didn't burst!
[08:21] <fsphil> I tink we can call it quits on WB8ELK
[08:21] <fsphil> think*
[08:21] <sp2ipt> he must've used good tape ;)
[08:21] <Maxell> fsphil: nothing heard anymore?
[08:21] <fsphil> if they where still floating they'd be over land by now
[08:22] <fsphil> 434.443 and 434.446 iirc if anyone wants to have a listen for them
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[08:24] <sp2ipt> does anyone have experience with HP storage solutions? I'm wondering if I order a SAN controller (C8R14A) will it come with two PSUs or just one
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[08:25] <sp2ipt> the specs don't actually tell anything about this version :/
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[08:41] <es5nhc> Better hope B52 is bulletproof ;)
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[08:51] <chrisstubbs> ping armell
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[08:54] <LeoBodnar> -r
[08:54] <sp2ipt> -Wall
[08:55] <chrisstubbs> ping amell
[08:55] <chrisstubbs> well spotted Leo
[08:55] <LeoBodnar> has it updated on the map?
[08:56] <LeoBodnar> i can't remember if he was going to upload positions
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[09:01] <mfa298> sp2ipt: I don't know huge amounts about storage or HP but from network / server experience I wouldn't be surprised if the redundant PSU is an optional extra.
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[09:06] <amell_> Cheapo lives again...
[09:06] <amell_> It was exactly where I perfected within 10m :)
[09:06] <amell_> Predicted
[09:06] <mfa298> amell_: nice one!
[09:06] <sp2ipt> mfa298: it's a bit weird - in servers it's explicitly said you have tyo buy another PSU, here they say some version comes with two PSUs but it's said only at one specific version :/
[09:07] <amell_> Freshly plowed field - saw it from the road.
[09:07] <sp2ipt> I'm trying to check what the main contractor forgot/miessed :/
[09:07] <mfa298> sp2ipt: I just looked at the more detail specs and that would seem to suggest two psu
[09:08] <mfa298> although that's mostly because it says you need to buy two AC power cords
[09:08] <sp2ipt> it's just guessing I guess :)
[09:09] <chrisstubbs> Nice one amell_
[09:10] <chrisstubbs> Have fun with it, are you planning to relaunch it?
[09:10] <mfa298> sp2ipt: always a fun game. manufactures seem to like missing the one bit of information that you want to make your calcs
[09:11] <amell_> chrisstubbs: Will relaunch at you when the predict goes that way
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[09:14] <sp2ipt> mfa298: yeah, the problem is we're doing this with puclib procurement law and missing something becomes a huge problem
[09:15] <sp2ipt> mfa298: I'm checking the contractor what will be delivered and found some problems. Wouldn't like to miss PSU redundancy :)
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[09:16] <mfa298> can always be worth asking them the question. at least then you've got something to go back on if what they say doesn't match what they deliver.
[09:16] <chrisstubbs> Awesome, I can see a HAB relay race starting ;)
[09:16] <sp2ipt> sure but it's better to know the answer while asking such question
[09:18] <amell_> chrisstubbs: http://imgur.com/wqx2Bda
[09:20] <amell_> chrisstubbs: http://imgur.com/dJEkdYL
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[09:30] <peterbjornx_schl> anyone from the netherlands here?
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[09:35] <mfa298> peterbjornx_schl: there's usually a few people from the Netherlands around
[09:35] Action: mfa298 looks at Maxell
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[09:39] <peterbjornx_schl> I'm planning to do a HAB project and can't seem to find any good info on the legal aspect of it in the Netherlands
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[09:45] <Laurenceb__> sp9uob has a solar panel?
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[09:47] <Maxell> mfa298: yes hello
[09:47] <Laurenceb__> this is very interesting
[09:47] <Laurenceb__> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/sp9uob#g/pressure_altitude,altitude
[09:47] <Maxell> ah, peterbjornx_schl already left
[09:47] <Laurenceb__> you can see vertical air movements versus bouyancy oscillations
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[10:03] <en4rab> Has anybody managed to abuse the radio in a CC430 processor enough to make it do RTTY at 300 baud/500Hz shift ?
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[10:09] <craag> en4rab: Yes, not me though.
[10:09] <craag> He used a varicap to pull the crystal freq
[10:11] <en4rab> aaah, i was hoping it could be done changing the freq of the cc430 in software, I was wondering if a cc430 could be used as a 2 chip tracker solution
[10:11] <craag> en4rab: schematic: http://i.imgur.com/uz4jx.png
[10:12] <en4rab> thankyou
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[10:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Mitch :D
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[10:17] <DL7AD> craag: what type of chip is on the right side?
[10:17] <hackvana> Steve_G0TDJ my mate, how are you?
[10:17] <hackvana> craag: Greets to you too.
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Pretty good, bit busy - You?
[10:18] <DL7AD> craag: that without designator
[10:18] <craag> DL7AD: ublox max
[10:18] <craag> Hi hackvana
[10:18] <hackvana> Steve_G0TDJ: Not too bad at present. My shipping woes are all sorted, which feels good.
[10:18] <hackvana> I'm finishing up some PHP for a friend. PHP makes me sad.
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Excellent :D - Did you get a change to check out my blog?
[10:18] <hackvana> Yes I did. Thanks for the mention!
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> No worries, you deserve it
[10:19] <hackvana> And I hope "Amelia"'s enjoying herself
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-) She's not built one yet but I've done tow
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> two
[10:19] <en4rab> PHP is wonderfull, what other language would allow you to put executable content into the comment of a GIF and include it :)
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Amelia will be building one at the end of the week
[10:19] <UpuWork> now your confusing me hackvana being on this channel
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[10:19] <hackvana> Good idea. It discourages the newbs if they construct something and it fails due to a design flaw
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, had to check
[10:20] <hackvana> UpuWork: Now you're confusing me by misusing "your" :-)
[10:20] <UpuWork> meh never said I could speak english
[10:20] <hackvana> I stopped by over here because jededu has some good questions
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> I thought Mitch spoke Australian ;-)
[10:21] <hackvana> Strewth you bet I do, cobber!
[10:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> ROTFL
[10:21] <hackvana> I'm the language lovechild of Dave Jones and Steve Irwin
[10:21] <hackvana> (Kidding, I can't stand the accent of both those guys, and they're my fellow countrymen)
[10:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL - Did you see Ben Hecks' Dave Jones Speak and Say?
[10:21] <hackvana> Oh?
[10:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> Gimme a tick
[10:22] <hackvana> Should I be scared? My allergy is fairly chronic...
[10:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> http://youtu.be/wYo4lOuD_-Y
[10:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> Zip along to the end to see the result LOL
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[10:25] <hackvana> The horror, the horror! My ears!
[10:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> :D LOL
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[10:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right, better get back to what I was doing - Catch you later Mitch & Others
[10:27] <peterbjornx_schl> Maxell: ping
[10:28] <peterbjornx_schl> PE0SAT: ping
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[10:29] <hackvana> Steve_G0TDJ: Bye!
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[10:33] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: pong
[10:33] <Maxell> Hello there.
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[10:34] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: some leesvoer https://revspace.nl/HAB_launch and https://revspace.nl/HAB_launch_2 :)
[10:35] <hackvana> ibanezmatt13: Hiya
[10:35] <ibanezmatt13> hey Mitch
[10:35] <hackvana> I came over here to see how the other half live
[10:35] <ibanezmatt13> lol, great. How's things with the latest board?
[10:35] <hackvana> Let me check
[10:35] <ibanezmatt13> cheers
[10:36] <Maxell> hackvana: yes Europe is alive and breathing :)
[10:36] <hackvana> ibanezmatt13: It's done and queued for shipment
[10:37] <ibanezmatt13> excellent thanks! :)
[10:37] <hackvana> Always my pleasure.
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[10:38] <peterbjornx_schl> Maxell: hoe zit het met de regels in NL
[10:41] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: there are some restriction. Let me check my documentation.
[10:42] <peterbjornx_schl> also, how illegal are unlocked wifi routers actually ( i was hoping to use one for high bandwidth link for part of the launch)
[10:43] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0007094/geldigheidsdatum_21-05-2014#Artikel3
[10:45] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: it's a grey area. If I remember correctly the SSID must tell you it's for open general use: "open", "Free wifi", "cafe lekkerbek wifi" is OK- "ga weg niet voor jou", "thuisnetwerk de vries", "mywifi" is *not*.
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[10:49] <peterbjornx_schl> maxell: i meant setting it to 100mW for example (iirc the legal limit is 10mW)
[10:49] <peterbjornx_schl> also, are there altitude related regulations for ISM use
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[10:50] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: http://www.agentschaptelecom.nl/sites/default/files/brochure-vergunningsvrije-radiotoepassingen.pdf
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[10:53] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: wasn't wifi 500 mW?
[10:54] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: Tabel 2 "Breedband datasystemen": 2400 - 2483,5 MHz 100 mW e.i.r.p. en 100 mW/100 kHz e.i.r.p. dichtheid is van toepassing wanneer gebruik wordt gemaakt van frequency-hoppingmodulatie, 10 mW/MHz e.i.r.p. dichtheid is van toepassing wanneer gebruik wordt gemaakt van andere soorten modulatie.
[10:54] <peterbjornx_schl> ok :)
[10:55] <peterbjornx_schl> would it work?, a wifi link from a HAB?
[10:55] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: there are no special airborne ISM bands.
[10:55] <craag> peterbjornx_schl: It's been done before - but with big antennas on the ground
[10:55] <craag> 1.5m+ dishes
[10:55] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: yeah, you would need some serious gain to make up for the large bandwidth
[10:57] <Maxell> afk
[10:57] <Maxell> peterbjornx_schl: hang around some more. UKHas can help you get smarter and we also track your flight for free ;)
[10:58] <Maxell> Suffcient Dutch amateur radio operators/enthusiast/hobbiests around here.
[10:59] <Oddstr13> my NavSparks have arrived :o
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[11:08] <gonzo_> on wlan bands the power limits are lower than terrestrial
[11:08] <gonzo_> 10mW compares with 100mW for ground based wifi
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[11:32] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/138730_trj001.gif
[11:32] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[11:32] <Laurenceb__> but a risk of rain
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[11:33] <Laurenceb__> suprising at that altitude
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[11:40] <LeoBodnar> try running humidity level
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[11:53] <craag> Hm looks like BALYOLO *definitely* needs new batteries
[11:56] <fsphil> are they launching again?
[11:57] <craag> Not that I've heard
[11:58] <mfa298> hopefully not if that's the battery voltage
[11:59] <mfa298> although it's got to all help Upu's profits!
[12:00] <UpuWork> haha
[12:00] <UpuWork> no comment
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[12:04] <LZ1NY> LZ1YLE 4@0AB8!
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[12:17] <craag> Nice stm32f4-based FreeDV modem http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?p=3125
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[12:19] <fsphil> anyone managed to do ethernet on an stm32f4 + libopencm3?
[12:21] <Laurenceb__> http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=452
[12:21] <Laurenceb__> nice
[12:21] <Laurenceb__> not me :-/
[12:21] <Laurenceb__> yet...
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[12:24] <mikestir-work> fsphil: not with libopencm3, but I have with chibios and the built-in lwip bindings
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[12:40] <UpuWork> ping craag thanks for this : http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/24uazn/combined_amplifier_and_saw_filter_for_60_but_its/
[12:40] <UpuWork> much appreciated
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[12:43] <JamesR> Upuwork could we pick up yesterday's chat in PM
[12:43] <craag> np :)
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[12:47] <jonsowman> fsphil: an f4 with integrated mac?
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[12:48] <BrainDamage> http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_glonass49.html
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[12:51] <fsphil> jonsowman: yea
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[13:05] <Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/xsP36aK.jpg
[13:05] <amell> Upuwork: received one of your amazing black boxes today (along with six other parcels)
[13:06] <UpuWork> worth the money ?
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[13:07] <fsphil> I never did find that black box with the gps
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[13:07] <amell> i can confirm that the box was worth paying over the odds for
[13:07] <amell> ;)
[13:08] <amell> i think I will give it to my wife as a ring box. it is that good
[13:08] <fsphil> proto-pic used to have better boxes
[13:08] <fsphil> but they don't seem to use them anymore
[13:11] <UpuWork> You very nearly got a gold bow on it
[13:11] <amell> damn, that must be a second order incentive
[13:13] <amell> where is chrisstubbs
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[13:17] <sp2ipt> sp9uob again turned afterburners... http://cheezburger.com/1550735104
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[13:18] <sp2ipt> sry, should be like this https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1550735104/h4E459C81/ :)
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[13:25] <amell> jesus
[13:25] <amell> Just had breaking news alert.
[13:25] <amell> eBay password database compromised.
[13:25] Action: amell goes to change his ebay password
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[13:26] <amell> http://www.ebayinc.com/in_the_news/story/ebay-inc-ask-ebay-users-change-passwords
[13:26] <fsphil> maybe I can finally find out what mine is
[13:40] <toxygen_> anyone knows if its possible to use winradio g315e with mac?
[13:43] <en4rab> thanks for the heads up on ebay
[13:44] <fsphil> odd that they haven't sent an email out
[13:45] <adamgreig> takes a while
[13:45] <mfa298> I wouldn't be surprised if they're staggering notifying people so they don't ddos themselves
[13:46] <adamgreig> well not even that
[13:46] <adamgreig> sending that many emails is an intense business
[13:46] <en4rab> http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/21/us-ebay-password-idUSBREA4K0B420140521 plot thickens
[13:46] <mattbrejza> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27503290
[13:46] <adamgreig> I guess at least most major email providers probably have ebay whitelisted
[13:46] <mfa298> and yeah, emailing that many people takes a long time.
[13:46] <myself> thanks for the ebay..... sheeeeit
[13:47] <adamgreig> lol
[13:47] <adamgreig> would be hilarious if like
[13:47] <adamgreig> it was hackers telling people to change emails
[13:47] <adamgreig> because they can't use the old encrypted ones
[13:47] <adamgreig> but could grab any ones people set now
[13:48] <SgtBurned> Devious...
[13:49] <mattbrejza> well at least paypal is fine, i care less than i probably should
[13:50] <en4rab> Has anybody looked at using powerfilm solar cells to power a tracker? they seem a bit spendy and annoyingly difficult to get in the UK but look quite light and hard to break http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=me%3DA1VOUFSIGRIGBC&field-keywords=OEM
[13:56] <mfa298> mattbrejza: if you then consider the number of compromised sites that don't notify users then it's fairly easy to not care about the ones that do notify users.
[13:57] <mattbrejza> its not as if i have an ebay shop
[13:57] <mfa298> then again for the most part the bit they're probably going to get most out of is the lis of email addresses.
[13:58] <adamgreig> and corresponding addresses and dates of birth and phone numbers
[13:58] <adamgreig> probably enough to get a password reset at a number of other websites or accounts
[13:59] <mfa298> of just sell the details to spammers
[13:59] <mfa298> I now get a reasonable amount of spam from last.fm, adobe and a couple of others that seem to have been compromised.
[14:00] <mfa298> or at least spam from people that got their account lists
[14:04] <Laurenceb__> anyone here played with gopro hero3 ?
[14:04] <adamgreig> yea
[14:04] <Laurenceb__> im wondering if it can be forced to record mjpeg?
[14:05] <adamgreig> not a normal settings
[14:05] <Laurenceb__> sure
[14:05] <Laurenceb__> but can it be "hacked"?
[14:05] <adamgreig> so afaik no
[14:05] <adamgreig> hmm
[14:05] <adamgreig> not seen anyone hack gopros
[14:05] <adamgreig> not played with them to that extent either though
[14:05] <Laurenceb__> theres a lot of forums devoted to it
[14:05] <Laurenceb__> ok
[14:05] <Laurenceb__> it can do mjpeg video for streaming
[14:06] <Laurenceb__> but its not saved
[14:06] <mikestir-work> I would think that the name address and DoB being leaked is the real problem. That's probably enough to get through security with e.g. utility providers
[14:06] <mikestir-work> I don't give a toss if my encrypted password is leaked - it's not a mickey mouse one anyway so unlikely to show up on any rainbow table
[14:06] <mattbrejza> fairly sure i didnt put my real dob into ebay (hope not anyway, and certainly not going to in the future)
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[14:08] <adamgreig> mikestir-work: exactly! the announcement seems to think that the only problem is the encrypted passwords
[14:09] <adamgreig> mikestir-work: rainbow tables not what'l get you today
[14:09] <adamgreig> unless your password was >16 characters and very much a random scramble, the hashed version will probably get broken
[14:09] <adamgreig> though admittedly with the ebay database you'd hope there's enough weak and useful passwords that a slightly more complicated one could go unused for a while
[14:10] <adamgreig> wouldn't count on it though. automation is a great thing
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[14:10] <Laurenceb__> <adamgreig> I think it can be done with a shell script to copy the frames out of /var/www
[14:10] <adamgreig> haha
[14:10] <adamgreig> wow
[14:10] <adamgreig> well that'd be cute
[14:10] <adamgreig> it's pretty low res though?
[14:10] <adamgreig> does it stream full res video too?
[14:11] <Laurenceb__> yes aiui
[14:11] <Laurenceb__> gopro is just an embedded linux box
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[14:12] <Laurenceb__> http://goprouser.freeforums.org/hero3-black-firmware-studies-physical-teardown-photos-t10016-70.html
[14:15] <adamgreig> huh cool
[14:15] <adamgreig> cleverer than I thought
[14:15] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[14:16] <Laurenceb__> a bit complex and undocumented
[14:16] <Laurenceb__> theres surely going to be a way to grab jpegs of the live stream
[14:16] <Laurenceb__> - onboard the gopro
[14:16] <Laurenceb__> i was thinking for SSDV
[14:17] <Laurenceb__> to avoid h.264 transcoding
[14:18] <Laurenceb__> guess it depends how complex it all is - if it needs a wifi connection to start making the frames available
[14:18] <adamgreig> it has usb which'd be easier, and can apparently do some things over that
[14:18] <adamgreig> and ethernet over usb?!
[14:18] <Laurenceb__> if not then it can be rooted and a script set running to framegrab
[14:19] <Laurenceb__> otherwise... a question of delving deeping into the setup
[14:19] <Laurenceb__> *deeper
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[14:43] <Laurenceb__> http://aprs.fi/telemetry/a/M0XER-2?range=day
[14:43] <Laurenceb__> heh spot the cloud
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[15:04] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/142828_trj001.gif
[15:06] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/142942_trj001.gif
[15:07] <Laurenceb__> up to 12 days reception, but a risk of rain
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[15:20] <thasti> can the habitat-parser handle + and - in front of coordinates (+ for N/E, - for S/W)?
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[15:21] <craag> thasti: Yes
[15:23] <thasti> and is time a required field?
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[15:25] <mfa298> I think (but don't quote me) you don't need a time - although it's *highly* recommended as well as a sequence counter so you can distinguish different sentences. Especaily if the payload starts restarting the number sequence for some reason
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[15:26] <thasti> alright, my question was a bit in this direction - wheter it is sensible to have BOTH time & sequence counter
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[15:26] <thasti> but ok, i will implement it, as it's easy to gather from GPS anyway
[15:27] <mfa298> I'd do both unless there's a good reason not to.
[15:27] <thasti> there isn't :)
[15:28] <thasti> tnx for the advice mfa298 craag
[15:30] <tweetBot> @daveake: Blog post on my Centr 360-degree camera and ReplayXD camera test flight #UKHAS http://t.co/FPRAvH6E2n
[15:30] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb__: did you try plotting humidity?
[15:31] <Laurenceb__> no
[15:31] <LeoBodnar> try that
[15:31] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5gI1joaCxI
[15:31] <Laurenceb__> now i have seen everything
[15:31] <LeoBodnar> i think rain at that alt is borked
[15:31] <Laurenceb__> well it went under some cloud earlier today?
[15:31] <Laurenceb__> or was that the envelope shadow?
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[15:32] <LeoBodnar> it went *over* some airways
[15:33] <LeoBodnar> and that created turbulence which caused payload swinging (noisy Vsolar) and payload cooling (drop in Temp)
[15:33] <Laurenceb__> maybe its envelope shadow + latitude?
[15:33] <Laurenceb__> as it hasnt been the same every day..
[15:33] <LeoBodnar> no
[15:34] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/143986_trj001.gif
[15:34] <LeoBodnar> 20% RH heh
[15:34] <LeoBodnar> no rain
[15:34] <Laurenceb__> maybe from above
[15:36] <LeoBodnar> we need a meteorologist
[15:36] <LeoBodnar> Paula Fisch
[15:36] <Laurenceb__> technically i should be able to help...
[15:37] <Laurenceb__> as i studied atmospheric physics
[15:40] <LeoBodnar> i kept an eye on http://www.sat24.com/en/tu and there weren't clouds at the time over that region
[15:40] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[15:41] <Laurenceb__> have you looked at a closup of pressure versus gps altitude on sp9uob ?
[15:41] <Laurenceb__> very interesting stuff
[15:41] <Laurenceb__> you can see bouyancy oscillation and atmospheric air currents/maybe some gravity waves
[15:42] <Laurenceb__> i should try grabbing the raw data and looking at a spectrogram
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[15:44] <LeoBodnar> yeah pressure alt is much more useful for SP balloons
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[15:45] <Laurenceb__> id say both, then you can see whats happening - buoyancy versus air currents
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[15:46] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[15:53] <Laurenceb__> B-52 battery is finally charged
[15:53] <Laurenceb__> it took a long time
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[16:00] <LeoBodnar> GPS is borked
[16:01] <LeoBodnar> so it consumes current all the time trying to maintian sat count
[16:01] <Laurenceb__> oops
[16:01] <LeoBodnar> mostly 5-6 sats which is not the best for power consumption
[16:02] <LeoBodnar> with occasional drops to 3 sats
[16:03] <LeoBodnar> i suspect XO problem in GPS as it often completely drops out at -10..-15C and comes back at lower temps
[16:04] <Laurenceb__> ah
[16:05] <Laurenceb__> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/145530_trj001.gif
[16:06] <Laurenceb__> does sp9uob have solar?
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[16:09] <Laurenceb__> i spot sunset
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[16:32] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:40] <amell> wonder if 4X1RF will hear B-52.
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[16:42] <sp2ipt> Laurenceb__: think not, but I'm not sure
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[16:43] <Laurenceb__> that temperature profile from B-52 looks too symmetrical to me
[16:43] <Laurenceb__> i think its shade
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[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> evening everyone
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL1SGP
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[17:29] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: the temperature looks very symmetrical on B-52
[17:29] <Laurenceb__> i think the payload is in shadow around midday
[17:33] <Laurenceb__> you could use this to calculate envelope diameter :D
[17:35] <LeoBodnar> heh i had this theory too :D
[17:36] <LeoBodnar> i have noticed that on the 2nd day temperature dipped in the middle of the day
[17:36] <LeoBodnar> but this was at much higher lattitudes
[17:36] <LeoBodnar> -t
[17:37] <SilverIV7> Good news, my first tracker can now send gps data over the radio using battery power!
[17:37] <LeoBodnar> actually i think you are right, payload went into envelope shadow
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[17:38] <LeoBodnar> it's too symmetrical
[17:38] <LeoBodnar> and lower sun angles provide better payload heating
[17:38] <LeoBodnar> as most of the surface areas are vertical
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[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, did you show how your new envelopes look like?
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[18:09] <Laurenceb__> B-52 crawling along
[18:10] <Laurenceb__> prize for time/distance?
[18:11] <Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUEhNKBi4DY
[18:11] <Laurenceb__> another B-52...
[18:12] <LeoBodnar> yeah pilot was a dickhead
[18:12] <amell> laurenceB__: thats a famous crash. someone got too cocky.
[18:12] <amell> Did you see the B2 crash?
[18:13] <Laurenceb__> yup
[18:16] <amell> that was impressive. 2.5 billion dollars down the drain
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[18:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All
[18:17] <sp2ipt> Laurenceb__: Tom just wrote that it doesn't have a solar
[18:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> yup, just agressive power saving
[18:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> and "solar" battery heating :-)
[18:19] <sp2ipt> oh, didn't notice you ;)
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[18:25] <[1]chris_4x1rf> at what Vbat will B-52 stop transmitting?
[18:26] <[1]chris_4x1rf> last APRS frame was 15min ago @Vbat=3.206
[18:26] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, you launched a boomerang?
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=68WZ6PgsBhM#t=79 - identical model crash
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[18:36] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wclfY0Meruw - funky. Landing a B52 without a tail
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[18:45] <IZ8YMH> Hellooooooooooo!!!
[18:45] <Upu> hi
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[18:46] <arko> oh Upu, gonna need N6ARA-11 imported for saturday
[18:46] <Upu> yolo nps
[18:46] <arko> swag
[18:46] <Upu> UTC time ?
[18:47] <arko> 20:00
[18:47] <arko> saturday
[18:47] <Upu> whats its 70cms call ?
[18:47] <arko> CUBEX1
[18:47] <Upu> rgr
[18:47] <Upu> remind me on Sat
[18:47] <arko> kk
[18:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: yup ;-)
[18:49] <Upu> nice flight SP9UOB-Tom
[18:49] <Upu> long flight
[18:49] <Upu> :)
[18:49] <arko> i like the flight path
[18:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: thanks, little bit weird ;-)
[18:50] <Upu> BTW everyone Conference 2014 tickets are now on sale : http://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2014
[18:50] <Upu> We got satellites and leo
[18:51] <Upu> 10p to touch Leo
[18:51] <Upu> 20p to hold one of his trackers
[18:51] <craag> is there a fine for accidentally dropping it upwards?
[18:52] <Upu> heh
[18:52] <arko> lol
[18:52] <Upu> well I might see if someone with a car can bring a tin of party helium in this time
[18:52] <arko> for 50p leo will make your payload float
[18:52] <Upu> however it is close to London City Airport so need to think about that one
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[18:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> well i was touched him last year ;-)
[18:53] <craag> arko: He'll probably charge more for 'murican payloads though...
[18:53] <mattbrejza> Upu: fairly sure london city doesnt operate all day on sat
[18:53] <Upu> oh lovely
[18:53] <arko> heh
[18:53] <arko> launch at conference would be aesome
[18:54] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, Upu got a powerfilm question for either of you?
[18:54] <Upu> shoot aadamson
[18:54] <aadamson> on the input to the spv1040 with 2 panels in parallel, I'm only seeing 1.4-1.5v does that sound right?
[18:54] <craag> arko: You coming along?
[18:54] <arko> yep!
[18:55] <Upu> no idea never used them in anger
[18:55] <arko> booking tickets next month
[18:55] <arko> got my conference ticket though
[18:55] <aadamson> in anger?
[18:55] <craag> arko: Woo! Bringing cubex?
[18:55] <Upu> I'll bring a Cubex too :)
[18:55] <arko> yeah!
[18:55] <arko> gonna ship it Upu
[18:55] <craag> Awesome
[18:55] <arko> not taking it though airport security
[18:55] <Upu> 10 people signed up so far
[18:55] <aadamson> if I just connect a voltmeter to their output, I see 3.0v, but when on the spv, it's only 1.4-1.5
[18:55] <Upu> sure no problems arko
[18:55] <arko> THEY TOOK MY MARMALADE
[18:55] <Upu> hahaha
[18:55] <arko> never forget
[18:56] <Upu> TSA or our end ?
[18:56] <arko> it was that nice oxford marmalade :(
[18:56] <arko> lhr
[18:56] <arko> Upu awesome, forgot if i asked you
[18:56] <mattbrejza> http://www.londoncityairport.com/VisitingTheAirport/page/OpeningHours Upu
[18:56] <arko> unless you finish your cubex build :)
[18:56] <Upu> maybe :)
[18:56] <arko> then no need to ship one
[18:56] <Upu> its sat there I only need to do the radio and the µC
[18:56] <Upu> so all of it basically
[18:57] <aadamson> well, I guess I'll wait the call back from powerfilm, they are supposed to get a techincal person to call me back... I'll let you know what I find out
[18:57] <Upu> 16:00 then mattbrejza
[18:57] <arko> cool
[18:58] <craag> Hmm competition for the longest float launched from the conf?
[18:58] <craag> (leo excluded obv)
[18:58] <craag> sorry Leo
[18:59] <DL7AD> :P
[18:59] <arko> nah man, let leo play
[18:59] Action: SP9UOB-Tom AFK
[18:59] <arko> challenge accepted
[19:00] <arko> Game mode: Expert
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> i can be crippled
[19:00] <arko> haha
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> handicapped, tied down and locked away
[19:01] <LeoBodnar> ask jcoxon how
[19:01] <LeoBodnar> lol XD
[19:01] <arko> handicap would be adding air into balloon
[19:01] <Upu> handicap would be not letting leo use a balloon
[19:02] <sp2ipt> or just lock him in a baloon
[19:02] <DL7AD> there's a restriction to leo. he must fly himself :D
[19:02] <arko> i should send my other mini trackers too
[19:03] <arko> i felt sad last year not bringing circuits
[19:03] <arko> i can just imagine a little cartoon leo on spacenear
[19:04] <LeoBodnar> Casper?
[19:04] <arko> the friendly ghost?
[19:05] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: tom? how long is your balloon supposed to be alive?
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[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[19:10] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb__: http://www.arl.noaa.gov/faq_hg9.php
[19:10] <LeoBodnar> "Assuming you are using the EDAS data, the rates you see are computed by subtracting the rain amount in the current grid cell of the trajectory endpoint at the current time from the rainfall amount in the current grid cell for the previous time (3 hours earlier) and dividing by time (3 hours in the EDAS). Keep in mind that this precipitation is not the observed precipitation and that we only save every other grid point of the
[19:11] <LeoBodnar> So it looks like the amount of water that the parcel of air is losing within an hour
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> not necessarily through condensation or deposition
[19:24] <Rebounder> good evening!
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[20:00] <arko> heh tom's flight path looks like a backwards &
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[21:30] <amell> hes definately gone off us
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[21:38] <amell> arko: why did they take your marmalade?
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[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[22:10] <Silver_IV7> What's the opposite/female of the SMA RG174 Pigtail called? Sturggling to find one
[22:11] <mattbrejza> sma female?
[22:11] <mfa298> the plugs and sockets are both sma
[22:11] <Silver_IV7> well I can find them but not with just a female adapter at just one end
[22:11] <mfa298> if you see rp-sma stay well clear
[22:11] <mattbrejza> for pcb mount?
[22:11] <Silver_IV7> yes
[22:12] <Silver_IV7> is there a port or a clip for pcb or wire the best way to go?
[22:13] <mattbrejza> http://uk.farnell.com/te-connectivity/5-1814832-1/rf-coaxial-sma-straight-jack-50ohm/dp/1248990
[22:13] <mfa298> there are pcb mount sma connectors
[22:13] <mattbrejza> http://uk.farnell.com/te-connectivity-amp/5-1814400-1/rf-coaxial-sma-right-angle-jack/dp/1248989
[22:13] <mattbrejza> http://uk.farnell.com/molex/73251-2120/rf-coaxial-sma-straight-jack-50ohm/dp/1909303
[22:14] <mattbrejza> http://www.dx.com/p/gold-plating-sma-female-pcb-end-launch-mount-connectors-golden-5-pcs-149787
[22:16] <Silver_IV7> great thanks
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