highaltitude.log.20140516

[00:03] <mfa298> best bet is have a read then ask some questions if/when you get stuck.
[00:04] <mfa298> although currently I think Leo is the only one that's used rsid so there may not be much knowledge around of how it works.
[00:05] <mfa298> although from the quick bit of reading I did it's just another mfsk mode so if you understand how the dominoEX code works it shouldn't be too hard to do rsid.
[00:07] <malclocke> noob question: I'm planning on using an Si4464 to allow APRS in NZ. Would I be able to use the same chip to transmit more continuous telemetry for dl-fldig, and switch between two freqs??
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[01:06] <g0pai_ian> malclocke: see the conversation 21:48 to 22:51 15 May (last evening for me.) mikestir/aadamson on this very subject I believe. May not be using the same TI part, but the consensus seemed to be to use two separate Tx/antenna due to the disparity of frequency and where the harmonics were likely to appear from the 144MHz side of things.
[01:09] <malclocke> g0pai_ian, cool, thanks
[01:10] <g0pai_ian> malclocke: You are happy with getting the logs I guess? habhub.org middle column "IRC Logs". Zeusbot will look after you then :)
[01:10] <malclocke> yeh, thanks :)
[01:11] <g0pai_ian> Aha, sucking eggs job.
[01:11] <malclocke> already reading them as I missed all the action with VK3YT-10 yesterday as I was afk :(
[01:11] <malclocke> not often we get one over our shores
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[01:13] <g0pai_ian> You seem to get a few trying from Melbourne dumping their old trackers in your direction though!
[01:15] <malclocke> looks like an interesting flight, anyone know what the story is with the relaunch?
[01:17] <g0pai_ian> We seem to be a little more spoiled with launches from the UK and Europe generally. Suffice it to say that it was commented on earlier on the 15th (could be during 14th), but nothing definitive. Another Zeusbot job I'm afraid, but there was nothing to warrant digging back - believe me!
[01:18] <aadamson> malclocke, you can switch between multiple frequences - AS LONG AS THEY ARE in the same band and within the LPF
[01:18] <g0pai_ian> Time for Zzz here, Good Night Gents. Thanks for the update aadamson.
[01:18] <aadamson> you *cant* well, not without potential damage to the part, switch between multiple frequencies that are in different bands.
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[01:19] <aadamson> some due, but they turn down the output power, eg. Leo has a few component LFP for 433mhz, and he put both 433mhz and 144mhz through that, to a 144mhz antenna
[01:20] <g0pai_ian> Using the 144MHz antenna 3rd harmonic.
[01:20] <malclocke> cool
[01:21] <malclocke> yeh, I was asking more from the chip point of view. I (kind of) understand the antenna limitations.
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[01:22] <aadamson> well, just remember you have to design the LPF components and the LPF isn't infinately wide
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[01:23] <aadamson> to do it right you really need a network analyser to see what the LPF is really doing, and it needs to be designed to match 50ohms at the input and the output
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[01:23] <malclocke> hmm
[01:24] <malclocke> I will check the 2 metre band plan here, I'm pretty sure there will be some segments that I can use for telemetry
[01:26] Action: malclocke is getting very quickly out of his depth
[01:34] <malclocke> looks like there is 125khz allocated directly above the APRS frequency for 'data modes'
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[03:27] <g0pai_ian> How does your ISM bands line up and in NZ what's the possibility of setting up loads of HAB watchers on something like the 434MHz as in UK and a lot of Western Europe. Put the word around about balloon launches, dl-fldigi and get all those hams and schools interested. Unlike Australia, NZ must have a good density of amateurs in a relatively small land mass - shame about those picturesque mountains though! - HAB wise that is :
[03:28] <g0pai_ian> s/:)mountains/:)
[04:03] <malclocke> g0pai_ian, I'm not really sure how much support we might get via dl-fldigi, you're right there is a reasonably high density of hams around
[04:03] <Darkside> if you spread the word, you'll be surprised
[04:03] <Darkside> anyway, your problem in NZ is the lack of land
[04:04] <Darkside> <- VK here btw
[04:04] <malclocke> yeh, we are going to need to pick a launch time fairly carefully
[04:04] <Darkside> do lots of predictions
[04:04] <Darkside> LOTS
[04:05] <malclocke> prevailing wind does seem to run up the country though, fwiw
[04:05] <Darkside> and i'd suggest doing some launches with basic telemetry payloads before flying anything important
[04:05] <Darkside> that way if you lose it its not a big loss
[04:05] <malclocke> yeh, that's one thing I've been contemplating
[04:05] <Darkside> learn how to track and recover before you fly expensive cameras
[04:10] <malclocke> Darkside, food for thought. I've had the opposite advice in here too, saying just fly the lot first go :)
[04:11] <Darkside> pff
[04:11] <Darkside> not in NZ
[04:11] <Darkside> well
[04:11] <Darkside> i wouldnt recommend it
[04:11] <malclocke> btw, it was you who got me into this mess after seeing you at Brisbane LCA :)
[04:11] <Darkside> aha!
[04:11] <Darkside> wait
[04:11] <Darkside> brisban?
[04:12] <Darkside> oh yah, i talkd at the arduino miniconf
[04:12] <malclocke> well, that was the first I saw of Horus
[04:12] <Darkside> heh ok
[04:12] <malclocke> I saw the launch at Ballarat too
[04:12] <Darkside> ahh you're a LCA regular?
[04:12] <Darkside> hang on
[04:12] <Darkside> hrm
[04:12] <Darkside> i wonder if i know you >_>
[04:12] <malclocke> no, we haven't met personally
[04:12] <Darkside> ahh ok
[04:14] <malclocke> I take the point about NZ being a difficult launch site though
[04:14] <malclocke> I'm considering trying to implement a cut down from day 1
[04:14] <Darkside> perhaps
[04:15] <Darkside> its a lot of developmnt work to gt it going reliably
[04:16] <malclocke> yeh ... and it goes against keep it simple, which I think is going to be essential for success for me
[04:16] <Darkside> mm
[04:16] <malclocke> given I don't know what I'm doing :)
[04:16] <Darkside> make a RTTY tracker
[04:16] <Darkside> make it as light as you can
[04:16] <Darkside> and launch it, and go track and recover it
[04:16] <Darkside> and whn you launch it, put a bit of extra gas in
[04:16] <Darkside> let it burst early
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[05:32] <Rebounder> g0pai_ian: for NZ maybe better to go for hf-fqs instead? since the will be out over the sea very quickly
[05:32] <Rebounder> g0pai_ian: for floaters of course..
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[08:24] <thasti> morning everyone - are there any "standard settings" one should use for pico-balloon RTTY telemetry on 434.075? i found 200hz to be quite hard to generate with low component count - or can you give any sugesstions on possible (low weight, small footprint) ICs?
[08:27] <thasti> and is baudot code or 8bit-ascii used for transmission? - i see that fldigi includes options for everything (shift, 5,7,8 bits) - but can i just say "that's what my telemetry TX sends" and all tracking stations try to decode it that way? or are there any "standards" to conform to?
[08:29] <fsphil> use 7-bit
[08:30] <fsphil> unless you're sending binary 8-bit is a waste
[08:30] <fsphil> and baudot is annoying
[08:30] <thasti> that's nice to hear
[08:31] <thasti> saves some hassle
[08:31] <thasti> and what about shifts?
[08:32] <thasti> do i just specify my shift in genpayload and everyone with the payload-file uses my settings?
[08:36] <mikestir-work> people will figure out your shift anyway -just make sure it's not too narrow. what are you using for tx? RFM22B?
[08:37] <thasti> i'm in IC evaluation process at the moment - rfm22b is one option, but maybe CC1101 or similar FSK ICs may be possible to use
[08:38] <mikestir-work> if you're building a board then a few people are using si4060 with good results
[08:38] <thasti> but many of those i found can't do FSK any narrower than 500hz
[08:38] <mikestir-work> si4060 can do single digit Hz shifts with some persuasion
[08:38] <thasti> i read about the si4060 yesterday - it seems to have a relatively complex register map, which seemed quite undocumented to me, have to do more investigation on those ones
[08:39] <thasti> but i saw, it could do narrow FSK shifts, yes
[08:39] <mikestir-work> there is plenty of experience of it on here. I'm just bringing up a pico board that uses it, in fact
[08:39] <thasti> cool!
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[08:40] <mikestir-work> But rtty with an rfm22b is also perfectly doable - they're just a bit cheap and tend to drift a lot
[08:41] <thasti> i also heard of some people doing APRS with the si4060 - can it do FM FSK as well?
[08:42] <mikestir-work> I'm not sure how people are doing that - I think they are using a VCXO as the reference
[08:42] <thasti> ah ok, i see
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[08:43] <thasti> but rtty will be enough for the first experiments, for me at least :)
[08:43] <mikestir-work> I was going to do some experiments to see how fast it would tune though. the step size is sufficiently small that if you can tune sufficiently fast (like several kHz) then you should be able to approximate FM
[08:43] <mikestir-work> certainly the SPI bus will run fast enough
[08:43] <fsphil> it's a bit ackward, but you can set channel spacing
[08:43] <fsphil> then change the channel to change the carrier frequency
[08:44] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[08:44] <mikestir-work> fsphil: you mean just generate the afsk as though you were modulating a square wave?
[08:45] <fsphil> I'm a bit lagged, that was about doing narrowish fsk steps
[08:45] <fsphil> but I imagine you could do afsk using a square wave
[08:45] <fsphil> would be a bit noisy
[08:46] <fsphil> I've been meaning to try it but haven't had time lately
[08:46] <mikestir-work> I might play around with it tonight. I won't be using it for aprs in the wild though - the filter is for 70cm and there are severe spurii if I tune it to 2m
[08:47] <thasti> is AN633 the only resource available for programming the si4060?
[08:47] <mikestir-work> thasti: you can do dominoex almost as easily as rtty on the si4060
[08:48] <mikestir-work> that's what I'm focussing on. I was just demoing it to a colleague in work. It decoded using a pair of headphones as a mic and with the radio just standing on the desk
[08:49] <thasti> that's good to hear, so it may be a good investment for future improvements
[08:49] <mikestir-work> there's a zip file with the full API docs somewhere
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[08:53] <mikestir-work> http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/EZRadioPRO-API-v1.1.2.zip
[08:54] <thasti> nice! thank you
[08:55] <thasti> how are you doing dominoex? isn't it >8tones, can the 4060 do that with it's internal fsk-features? i thought it would do 4-fsk at max?
[08:55] <thasti> or do you just PWM the data pin?
[08:55] <mfa298> I think most people are tuning the 4060 (and other similar chips) o generate fsk rather than using the internal fsk
[08:55] <thasti> ok, makes sense for such low data rates
[08:56] <mfa298> as the internal fsk options are usually too fast to get long distances
[08:56] <thasti> ok, so just reissue tuning commands via spi, as spi-speeds are >> tx data rates
[08:58] <thasti> well - gonna be afk for some time - thanks for your input!
[08:58] <mfa298> that's what I did when I tried doing rtty on a rfm69hw
[08:59] <mfa298> the other favourite is pwm into something like the ntx2b as that adjusts the carrier frequency based on input voltage. Downside is it's more expensive but easy to understand.
[08:59] <mikestir-work> thasti: yes that's right. there is a fine tune API command that you can use to apply custom modulation
[09:00] <mikestir-work> likewise you can do rtty on the rfm22b in the same way (albeit with a much coarser step)
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[09:03] <fsphil> ironic name
[09:03] <fsphil> it's not that easy
[09:03] <fsphil> though I suppose we're not using it in the intended way
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[09:10] <benny-boy> morning all. I need to have my flight document approved. what do I need to do?
[09:10] <fsphil> benny-boy: join #habhub and give them the document id
[09:11] <jonsowman> or just give it to me here, since I'm here :)
[09:13] <benny-boy> I'm not sure what the document I'd is, but the flight name is mg169706. project name is flying pi of Ben.
[09:13] <jonsowman> benny-boy: Tewkesbury?
[09:14] <fsphil> the flight name sounds like a password
[09:15] <benny-boy> that's it.
[09:15] <jonsowman> got it
[09:15] <UpuWork> have you tested it on Spacenear us ?
[09:15] <fsphil> whoa, the ATV is big: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnvwCk6CMAAdorZ.jpg:large
[09:15] <jonsowman> approved
[09:16] <benny-boy> it s my uni registration number. very useful as no one else ever uses it
[09:16] <fsphil> good idea
[09:17] <benny-boy> I just realised that the longitude was missing the minus sign. does that Mayer?
[09:17] <benny-boy> matter
[09:17] <fsphil> the payload is transmitting without the sign? I'd fix that
[09:18] <benny-boy> the payload transmitted it OK, but the valid in the flight document was missing the sign.
[09:19] <benny-boy> sorry for the crap spelling. I'm using a phone
[09:19] <mfa298> I wouldn't worry too much about spelling. most of us struggle with a real keyboard.
[09:19] <benny-boy> lol.
[09:21] <benny-boy> so is that it then? at 8am tomorrow I just release the balloon around Tewkesbury and watch it on the web?
[09:22] <mfa298> you probably want to announce on the mailing list (and check that your not clashing in frequncy with any other flights.
[09:23] <mfa298> and pressumably you've got CAA permission (or it's small enough to be exempt) - /me hopes that's a silly question to ask.
[09:24] <benny-boy> there is nothing else in the calendar in the UK tomorrow
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[09:24] <benny-boy> I have a notam, yes
[09:25] <mfa298> it's usually best to check the mailing list. the calendar is based on approved flgiht documents which are often done at short notice.
[09:25] <mfa298> i.e. I think daveake would disagree about there being no flights tomorrow
[09:25] <fsphil> there are two flights tomorrow
[09:25] <fsphil> using frequencies 434.650, 434.250, 434.600, 434.300
[09:25] <daveake> :)
[09:26] <fsphil> sheesh daveake
[09:26] <fsphil> hogging the band :)
[09:26] <benny-boy> I was just going on what is in the calendar
[09:26] <daveake> Carefully arranged so that anyone with an SDR can follow 1 tracker on each flight
[09:27] <fsphil> aaah
[09:27] <mfa298> and a drifty original ntx2 to keep us busy as well ?
[09:27] <benny-boy> luckily it looks like we'll all fit in
[09:28] <benny-boy> I'm on an ntx2 :)
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[09:28] <mfa298> remember checking the mailing list for next time. But you probably still want to announce your flight.
[09:28] <mfa298> otherwise most people will still be sleeping when you launch and not helping you track.
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[09:29] <mfa298> people will also want to know what frequency your on.
[09:29] <daveake> mfa298, Yes 1 drifty original NTX2 and 3 drifty rfm22bs
[09:29] <daveake> Keep you all busy :)
[09:30] <fsphil> oh joy
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[09:38] Action: mfa298 wonders if it's possibly to get sdr-console and dl-fldigi setup for cat control in time.
[09:38] <benny-boy> I'll drop something on the mailing list now. sorry for overlooking that. thus we learn.
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[13:15] <aadamson> Ok, there's hope for all your 8bit guys yet! - http://makezine.com/2014/05/15/first-look-at-the-new-arduino-zero/ :)
[13:15] <aadamson> we'll bring you all out of the dark ages - kicking and screaming I'm sure... lol
[13:16] <aadamson> Wow, an M0+ with 256k flash...
[13:17] <mattbrejza> gotta put your shitty libraries somewhere
[13:17] <fsphil> I'd rather have RAM than flash
[13:17] <fsphil> 32KB of SRAM is not huge
[13:18] <aadamson> for a micro? 32k is *HUGE*
[13:18] <fsphil> not for image work
[13:18] <aadamson> I'm working with 16 on an L1
[13:18] <craag> woo 3.3v arduino!
[13:18] <jonsowman> nah the M4s have liek 168k RAM
[13:18] <jonsowman> *like
[13:18] <mattbrejza> this is only a M0
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[13:18] <aadamson> yeah 192k on some of them actually
[13:19] <craag> M0+ as well, with the super low power sleep modes
[13:19] <fsphil> I'd like a little chip I can wire a camera too
[13:19] <mattbrejza> wouldnt want a m4 arduino, what would everyone use their rpis for then?
[13:19] <aadamson> fsphil, you want a nice *graphic* oriented micro with grafix accel
[13:19] <aadamson> stm32f429
[13:19] <aadamson> fsphil, I'm pretty sure the 429 has camera support too
[13:19] <fsphil> it would need external ram
[13:19] <aadamson> spi to the rescue
[13:20] <aadamson> checkout the 429disco, it's a nice cheap eval board with a nice lcd, etc
[13:20] <aadamson> I just picked one up
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[13:21] <aadamson> ah, boo hiss, it's only 48mhz
[13:21] <aadamson> some are 72
[13:21] <jonsowman> are there 72mhz m0s?
[13:22] <aadamson> wow, I swear I just saw one, but maybe I clicked the wrong thing... looks like st's are 32-48 as well
[13:22] <craag> Any faster and the arduino libraries might start to feel like decent performance...
[13:22] <aadamson> ah I read 72 coremark as mhz ... duh
[13:23] <aadamson> you all know you can build arduino code on mbed without arduino libraries right?
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[13:23] <fsphil> for the simple joy of the arduino ide?
[13:23] <mattbrejza> so what are they gonna to do to the ide now it has to have all this debugging stuff added to it...
[13:24] <aadamson> there are lots of options, and for that matter the standard peripheral library isn't that hard to use and keil has a pretty much self contained version
[13:24] <aadamson> but it has limits on build size and no HWFP support
[13:24] <aadamson> in the free version
[13:24] <aadamson> mattbrejza, throw it far away *hopefully*
[13:24] <mattbrejza> also the nice thing about the disco boards is you can use them as a swd programmer for your own pcb, it doesnt look as if you can use this board to help you build your owm SAMD21 pcbs
[13:26] <aadamson> on the nucleo's they do another pretty cool thing... when you plug it in to usb, it mounts as a disk drive. if you then drag and drop a binary on the diskdrive, it flashes the code
[13:26] <craag> aadamson: Sounds like mbed ;)
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[13:26] <aadamson> craag, it is
[13:26] <aadamson> nucleo is the st version of mbed
[13:26] <jonsowman> just write a makefile and type make flash, honestly
[13:26] <fsphil> ideally there'd be a simple command line that can be called from make
[13:26] <craag> Yeah after using mbed a lot, I'm starting to prefer makefiles
[13:27] <aadamson> the nucleo's are arduino footprint compatible as well, most shields will work on them
[13:27] <mattbrejza> it makes a nice change from avr programmer drivers though, some of which require so much faff to install
[13:27] <aadamson> but you will all have to get off 5V and start thinking 3v3 :)
[13:27] <craag> Who said we were ever on 5V?
[13:27] <mattbrejza> "you all"?
[13:27] <aadamson> hehe
[13:27] <mattbrejza> youre not the first arm user here
[13:27] <jonsowman> yes I think we left that bandwagon a long time ago
[13:27] <aadamson> yeah... I know
[13:27] <fsphil> I haven't used 5v since PIC
[13:28] <aadamson> but it seems to be *primarily* avr users
[13:28] <craag> Yall need to get off 3.3V and down to 1.8V ;)
[13:28] <jonsowman> it still hangs around due to USB I suspect
[13:28] <fsphil> all my avr stuff is 3.3v
[13:28] <aadamson> craag, ^ ++
[13:28] <daveake> Ask Upu and Leo; 3.3V is so 2012
[13:28] <daveake> :)
[13:28] <UpuWork> 3.3V is just one step up from coal
[13:28] <aadamson> wooo hooo there!
[13:28] <fsphil> so when are you going 0.5v?
[13:29] <daveake> when someone makes germanium ics?
[13:29] <fsphil> why where these voltages chosen anyway?
[13:29] <mattbrejza> 45nm typically runs around 1V so not for a while :P
[13:29] <aadamson> ok, ok, I give... guess there aren't many *shield* users here
[13:29] <aadamson> I can go to 1.65v if that helps
[13:30] <aadamson> gotta keep the ldo's happy inside the chip
[13:30] <craag> I use 3.3V for higher power on some radio stuff, and nice LDO from lipo.
[13:31] <aadamson> I suspect, unless you wanted all the *slower* IO of leonardo, that the zero will replace a bulk of it's sales
[13:31] <aadamson> leonardo just seems so limited by comparison now
[13:31] <mattbrejza> slower io?
[13:31] <aadamson> mattbrejza, ADC sorry
[13:31] <aadamson> 10bit vs 12
[13:32] <mattbrejza> because 10bit is slow much slower than 12bit
[13:32] <aadamson> no I used the wrong word slower should have been lower
[13:32] <mattbrejza> im 16bit here and the speed is soooooo much better
[13:32] <jonsowman> fsphil: I think it was something like they're all rough multiples of 0.5/0.6v, which is the Si pn junction potential
[13:32] <aadamson> I don't know what the performance differences are the flash and ram size are significantly different
[13:32] <fsphil> thought it would be something like that
[13:33] <mattbrejza> i think choosing 1.8V over 2.0V is pretty arbitary
[13:33] <aadamson> oh, and did I hear about a new BBB with video/camera support?
[13:34] <aadamson> can't find it again, but thought I read something about that (maybe it was a new rPi?)
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[13:35] <craag> mattbrejza: Especially as a lot of stuff gives 1.75V as absolute lowest. Then you have a radio IC on the bus pulling 2.6A peak....
[13:36] <mattbrejza> i think you should be able to go lower than specced, but be prepared for errors if you run it at any real speed
[13:36] <mattbrejza> until you get to some process threshold voltage at which nothing will switch
[13:36] <mattbrejza> but all that can vary quite a lot transistor to transistor
[13:37] <mattbrejza> then theres the LDO requirement if there is one
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[13:46] <aadamson> UpuWork, when is Bill using your boards at dayton, do you know?
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[13:49] <UpuWork> 1800UTC
[13:49] <aadamson> http://aprs.fi/#!addr=dayton%2C%20oh - hehe, what the biggest hamfest in the US looks like on aprs :)
[13:50] <aadamson> supposed to be some big balloon launch event, but I don't know when, etc... Upu provided some board for Wb8elk to use I believe
[13:50] <UpuWork> he's doing something with Balloon sats
[13:52] <aadamson> yeah he talked to me about my board, but it wasn't ready in time, I heard from him last week that he'd got some of yours. Just wondering when the *event* occurs... I believe there is going to be a number of launches
[13:52] <UpuWork> three I think
[13:52] <aadamson> do you know when those are supposed to occur?
[13:52] <UpuWork> [14:49] <UpuWork> 1800UTC
[13:53] <aadamson> I can't see to find anything on the interweb... ah didn't see your response above... sorry... thanks
[13:53] <aadamson> 2pm is here (can't remember if dayton is on a different time zone) :)
[13:54] <Silver_IV7> Quick question guys, Putting the ublox max-7 on the arduino ports 0 and 1 (hardware serial) are 1K ohms 1% resistors good for inbetween?
[13:55] <UpuWork> %age is irrevelant
[13:55] <UpuWork> 1k should be fine
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[13:56] <aadamson> https://www.google.com/calendar/render?eid=YWZnbWhxcXY4aTZ2aGQ3MXVpNmRoYm1sdjAgNnJwc2Y3bmk3bWJxMWRlbzRsM2Y3OW1mOGNAZw&ctz=America/New_York&pli=1&sf=true&output=xml - ah found it
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[13:58] <UpuWork> oh yeah
[13:58] <UpuWork> nice
[13:58] <UpuWork> Would love to be there
[13:59] <UpuWork> no touching my trakcers aadamson
[14:01] <Silver_IV7> perfect thanks, time to make the change then
[14:04] <aadamson> I'm not there either...
[14:05] <aadamson> :)... heh
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[14:06] <MightyMik_> i haven't been there in a long time
[14:07] <MightyMik_> used to live 20 miles north of there
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[14:43] <Silver_IV7> When using hardware serial do you change SoftwareSerial ss(4, 5) to SoftwareSerial ss(0, 1) or something else?
[14:47] <mfa298> if you're using hardware serial you don't need software serial at all (at least for that part)
[14:49] <Silver_IV7> but coding wise?
[14:49] <mfa298> I think there's a serial class to use instead but Ive not done much with arduino
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[15:54] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi
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[16:10] <Rebounder> hell¨o
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[16:25] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[16:32] <sp2ipt> hi
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[16:44] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi Lunar_Lander sp2ipt
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[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> hi
[16:46] <sp2ipt> going to the club, bbl
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[17:24] <mclane_> B-52 on spacenear - that sounds dangerous ;-))
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[17:27] <bertrik> looking forward to tracking it (if it comes close enough)
[17:27] <arko> http://isleoflying.com/
[17:27] <jonsowman> hahaha arko
[17:28] <arko> interesting what happens when you fly B-52s
[17:28] <jonsowman> brilliant
[17:28] <craag> love it arko
[17:29] <LeoBodnar> lol
[17:29] <LeoBodnar> your package has left btw
[17:29] <arko> excellent!
[17:29] <arko> cant wait
[17:30] <arko> TIL that <blink> is no longer supported by any web browser
[17:30] <jonsowman> D:
[17:30] <arko> needed some javascript for that
[17:31] <mattbrejza> jonsowman has just the website
[17:31] <bertrik> arko: maybe you can put it in a <marquee> tag :)
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[17:44] <DL7AD> hi
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[17:47] <MightyMik_> B52 should be 434.500?
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[17:47] <SilverIV7> Does anywhere in the UK stock a UM232 Serial UART Development Module
[17:47] <craag> MightyMik_: Dead on
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[17:51] <craag> Someone is actually using GB3ET - deafening the websdr on 70cm - how dare they??!!?
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[17:54] <arko> anything leo launches after this will average him to more than 1 hab a week
[18:00] <cm13g09> craag: ping
[18:01] <craag> cm13g09:
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[18:07] <MightyMik_> it's a little low but it's there
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> XD Lobster
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[18:43] <gman> hi
[18:43] <gman> anyone there
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> yes
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> Well.
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> That does predicate on 'self' being a meaningful concept.
[18:44] <gman> i wanted to join a balloon launch
[18:44] <gman> and help out
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> And we're not all merely bags of impure water with illusions of self-hood.
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> In which case there'd be nobody there.
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> However.
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
[18:45] <gman> im very keen, im good at electronics and i can program well in java
[18:45] <gman> in berjshire
[18:45] <gman> berkshire
[18:45] <nats`> SpeedEvil stop LSD :D
[18:45] <nats`> I already told you that's bad !
[18:45] <nats`> m'kay !
[18:45] <gman> i can travel to the cambridge balloon launch location
[18:45] <gman> when is the next launch
[18:45] <gman> ?
[18:46] <SilverIV7> I'll be launching from Cambridge but it's going to be a while yet
[18:46] <gman> can i get an email adress to send an email to, to ask if i can help out
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> Wait around a bit - someone who is actually launching soon may pop up
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> There is a mailing list
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[18:46] <gman> is anyone going to launch soon
[18:47] <gman> i would love to help out
[18:47] <gman> i wanna build my own but i wanna see one in action before i do
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[18:47] <gman> cuz i dont want to loosde mine
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[18:47] <Upu> where abouts are you gman ?
[18:47] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[18:48] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
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[18:50] <gman> berkshire
[18:50] <malgar> does HYSPLIT work for you?
[18:50] <gman> im fine with travelling to cambridge
[18:51] <Upu_M0UPU> kept asking about I'm sure people will be happy for you to go at some point
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[18:55] Action: daveake raises head
[18:55] <daveake> clear
[18:55] <daveake> :)
[18:55] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[18:58] <mfa298> I thought I'd have a go at listening for B-52 on my (Scenic) way home, but mostly seemed to be lots of other noise.
[18:59] <mfa298> probably didn't help that I was driving past this at the time: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.855612,-1.089322,3a,75y,310.18h,92.46t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDFjQ2w8MxMBNewqYhxM1aA!2e0
[18:59] <Upu_M0UPU> that looks fun
[18:59] <mfa298> portsdown hill, I suspect it's lots of navy stuff.
[19:00] <mfa298> there's more as you go forwards!
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[19:18] <amell> which cambridge launch site?
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[19:18] <amell> and who launched the cricket ball to space today?
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't think the current england team were that good.
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[19:21] <amell> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2630315/Now-THAT-park-Cricket-ball-sent-edge-space-balloon.html
[19:21] <amell> apparently it went up today? one of steves jobs? anyone know?
[19:22] <daveake> Doubt it was steve jobs :/
[19:22] <daveake> "a team of aeronautical engineers to launch the official match ball from Edgbaston Stadium, Birmingham"
[19:23] <amell> yeah, wondering if it was UKHAS?
[19:23] <amell> wasnt there a payload called CRICKET a few weeks ago?
[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> hah
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[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> bet that was our friends who like to loose Habduinos
[19:25] <amell> which team?
[19:25] <Upu_M0UPU> I think "team" is pushing the definition
[19:27] <malgar> woooooooo got the NOTAM finally :D
[19:27] <malgar> 5th and 6th June from northern Italy
[19:27] <malgar> I'll post in mailing list in the next days
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> malgar, cool!
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> how long was the waiting time?
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[19:28] <amell> upu: the gps breakout boards - which one works with 3.3v arduino?
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> any of them actually apart from the one meant for the 5V Arduino
[19:28] <amell> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=51 will work right
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> yes
[19:28] <malgar> Lunar_Lander: 3 months of endless calls and emails + 188 euro for the service
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> the 7Q and 7C both work @ 3.3V
[19:29] <amell> ok. just that it says This module is not suitable etc without explaining why.
[19:29] <Upu_M0UPU> This module is NOT suitable for direct connection to Arduino Uno, Duemilanove or Leonardo use this instead.
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:29] <Upu_M0UPU> with a link :)
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> that's interesting
[19:29] <Upu_M0UPU> there aren't many 3V Arduinos
[19:29] <Upu_M0UPU> even the pro mini you have to get specifically as a 3V
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> applying for a NOTAM in germany is for free and has like immidiate response but they ask for 2 weeks of prep time
[19:30] <malgar> are there people here from austria, switzerland or bavaria?
[19:30] <amell> Upu: Im using this: http://www.anarduino.com/miniwireless/
[19:31] <amell> got three boards sitting in customs at the moment
[19:33] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah that should work
[19:34] <Upu_M0UPU> watch the resonator though probably only rated to -20
[19:34] <mikestir> is B52 on .5? not seeing a peep here
[19:34] <Upu_M0UPU> yep
[19:34] <mikestir> as spot on frequency as usual?
[19:35] <Upu_M0UPU> yup
[19:35] <mikestir> hmmm
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[19:35] <bertrik> getting a lot of QRM here at revspace, the hague, netherlands
[19:36] <PB0NER> @Felix... websdr?
[19:36] <PB0NER> no QRM here in Pijnacker...
[19:37] <bertrik> PB0NER: something is sweeping back and forth, right over 434.5 MHz ...
[19:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> LeoBodnar, Is it on the normal 4 minute cycle ?
[19:38] <PB0NER> bertrik: oh ok
[19:40] <f5apq> Big qrm also near Calais
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[19:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> answering myself yes its normal 4 minute cycle axcept not seen 4 2-3 cycles now :-(
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[19:42] <Upu_M0UPU> something broken with B-52 ?
[19:42] <PB0NER> by the way: Hi all!
[19:42] <Upu_M0UPU> hi PB0NER
[19:43] <Upu_M0UPU> I think something has gone wrong with B-52 LeoBodnar
[19:43] <Upu_M0UPU> its transmitting bursts of what looks like RSID
[19:43] <Upu_M0UPU> or Domino actually
[19:43] <PB0NER> hmm no carpet bombing?
[19:44] <SA6BSS> yep, rsid cyceling repetedly
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> looks like MAX-7 proudly died
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/478222000/orbit-flying-hovering-autonomous-smart-device-prot?ref=discovery
[19:44] <SA6BSS> no, gps lock"
[19:44] <SA6BSS> ?
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> Can anyone see any tiny, tiny flaws with this voice activated flying tablet?
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: aww
[19:45] <nats`> SpeedEvil absolutely none !
[19:45] <nats`> :>
[19:45] <Upu_M0UPU> £100k for a tricopter with a tablet attached to it ?
[19:45] <Upu_M0UPU> "err no"
[19:46] <Upu_M0UPU> ORBIT is cool for the whole 4.21 minutes of its battery life
[19:46] <PB0NER> I'm still out of the blue circle... not that that says anything... sometimes I think I hear something ..
[19:46] <nats`> and the last time you see it under your feet
[19:47] <Upu_M0UPU> thats odd only ever seen a MAX die once and that was a super cold temp
[19:47] <Upu_M0UPU> this isn't the 7Q is it Leo ?
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> one of the ones you have sent last time
[19:47] <PB0NER> but hard to say if it's b52
[19:47] <Upu_M0UPU> those were 7C's should have been fine at 2 V
[19:48] <LeoBodnar> ok
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[19:48] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: My impression is you've had generally good results other than occasional battery issues?
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[19:49] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> Have any actually 'failed' early ?
[19:51] <f5vnf> is there a flight prediction for B52
[19:52] <Upu_M0UPU> failed GPS f5apq
[19:52] <PB0NER> this week I picked up some parts of my mast.. very close to have all the parts so I can put up my m2 yagi's
[19:53] <PB0NER> Bigger 'ears'
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[19:58] <PE0SAT> PB0NER: Hi, nice developments
[19:59] <PB0NER> PE0SAT: yeah... I910...SSB pre amps for 2/70, Yeasu G5500, 7 meter pipe, mast plates, top bearing are in now....
[20:00] <PE0SAT> So we will be hearing you on the sats?, Also some SDR for reception?
[20:00] <PB0NER> only missing some PVC stuff (AZ part of rotor will indoors below roof)
[20:00] <mauhen> Evening all, I am unable to decode B-52 data. I am trying 8/250, any ideas?
[20:00] <PB0NER> that is the idea
[20:01] <Upu_M0UPU> mauhen it appears to be broken
[20:01] <PB0NER> It seems broken mauhen
[20:01] <PE0SAT> LituanicaSAT-1 will be active with FM this weekend
[20:01] <Upu_M0UPU> the GPS has died on it so its not transmitting properly
[20:01] <mauhen> ok
[20:02] <mauhen> ok, pity, I am getting great signal strength here.
[20:02] <Upu_M0UPU> http://aprs.fi/#!addr=Dayton%2C%20OH%2C%20United%20States
[20:02] <Upu_M0UPU> guess where the Dayton Hamvention is
[20:03] <amell> Dayton!
[20:04] <amell> Do I win a free GPS breakout board for that?
[20:04] <Upu_M0UPU> no :)
[20:04] <aadamson> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FWB8ELK-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600 - looks like it's active
[20:04] <amell> what is the radiation pattern of a sarantel?
[20:05] <amell> does it care about orientation even?
[20:05] <PB0NER> PE0SAT: I've opened a 'private' channel
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[20:07] <Upu_M0UPU> "good"
[20:07] <Upu_M0UPU> its pretty much omni
[20:07] <malgar> f5apq: B52 http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/130317_trj001.gif
[20:08] <malgar> anyway.. b52 is a tough name :P
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> malgar, did you see the page where you can check if a Leo B-Series balloon is flying?
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> http://isleoflying.com/
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[20:09] <malgar> ahahahahahaha
[20:09] <malgar> :D
[20:09] <malgar> great
[20:09] <malgar> ahahah
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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[20:11] <amell> Upu: £5.52 postage for a habamp and a gps board?
[20:12] <Upu_M0UPU> in the UK ?
[20:12] <amell> yes
[20:12] <Upu_M0UPU> sounds about right then
[20:12] <amell> it must be a gilded jiffy bag
[20:12] <amell> how heavy is this habamp
[20:12] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[20:12] <Upu_M0UPU> don't moan at me its the post office
[20:12] <Upu_M0UPU> 125g for that lot
[20:13] <Upu_M0UPU> £4.80 or so for 1st Class small packet recorded
[20:13] <Upu_M0UPU> rest is packaging
[20:14] <amell> f.me. you are right. what the dickens have the royal mail done to their charges.
[20:14] <Upu_M0UPU> made them expensive :)
[20:15] <Upu_M0UPU> if you want to save 50p mark it second class
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[20:15] <mikestir> to add insult to injury our postie regularly stuffs any old mail through our letterbox
[20:16] <mikestir> I've found other people's mail dropped on the drive before
[20:16] <amell> have you seen the new small parcels tariff? http://www.royalmail.com/newsmallparcel
[20:16] <mikestir> I'll need to start invoicing them for re-delivery
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[20:19] <DL7AD> Upu_M0UPU: how fast is airsure to germany?
[20:19] <Upu_M0UPU> 3-4 days
[20:19] <amell> 200g via 2nd class signed for is 3.90
[20:20] <DL7AD> Upu_M0UPU: ive busted the module i planned to launch to next sat. but nothing has been programmed yet. so i need it pretty fast.
[20:20] <amell> but i will cease quibbling.
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[20:21] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSWdZVtXT7E&noredirect=1
[20:22] <Upu_M0UPU> DL7AD if you put the order in it will ship monday
[20:22] <Upu_M0UPU> how did you break it ?
[20:22] <Upu_M0UPU> amell the packaging I use isn't cheap
[20:22] <Upu_M0UPU> there is at least 50p on each item for the packaging
[20:22] <amell> I look forward to seeing this packaging
[20:22] <DL7AD> Upu_M0UPU: the voltage regulator failed.
[20:22] <DutchMillbt> Good afternoon what's B52's frequency?
[20:23] <Upu_M0UPU> 5V board ?
[20:23] <Upu_M0UPU> DutchMillbt 434.500 but its failed
[20:23] <DL7AD> no it had 8V input
[20:23] <Upu_M0UPU> amell some people collect my little black boxes :)
[20:23] <Upu_M0UPU> send it back I'll replace it
[20:23] <DL7AD> Upu_M0UPU: order has been already made by me
[20:23] <amell> too far.
[20:23] <DutchMillbt> thkz Upu failed?
[20:23] <amell> but yeah, i know what you meant
[20:23] <Upu_M0UPU> GPS seems to have died its transmitting continious RSID
[20:24] <Upu_M0UPU> oh wait you mean you stuck 8V into a MAX module directly ?
[20:24] <DL7AD> yes :( because the voltage regulator failed
[20:24] <Upu_M0UPU> ah
[20:24] <Upu_M0UPU> ok I can't fix that :)
[20:25] <DutchMillbt> aha that's too bad
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[20:26] <DL7AD> Upu_M0UPU: sure... that's the reason why i need them pretty fast because i hasn't time to build the code
[20:26] <Upu_M0UPU> They post office changed stuff so its international tracked and signed now
[20:26] <Upu_M0UPU> but about the same
[20:26] <amell> This nevis computing - seems to be doing quite well
[20:26] <Upu_M0UPU> its doing ok amell
[20:26] <Upu_M0UPU> you looking at our accounts ? :)
[20:27] <amell> I usually do check new companies out - part of my job& (!)
[20:27] <arko> Upu_M0UPU: amell: Upu's boxes make for a great payload box https://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/11095329643/in/set-72157637213955175
[20:27] <amell> thats a nice box
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[20:27] <Upu_M0UPU> you get one free* with each order
[20:28] <amell> Im estatic.
[20:28] <Upu_M0UPU> * not really I stick 30p on the price of each item to cover it
[20:28] <Upu_M0UPU> because they cost me...30p
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[20:28] <Upu_M0UPU> whats your job anyway ?
[20:29] <Upu_M0UPU> 3-5 working days officially DL7AD
[20:29] <amell> IT manager - deal with suppliers/procurement as well.
[20:29] <Upu_M0UPU> ah ok
[20:30] <Upu_M0UPU> Nevis is my company, I run Hab Supplies as a little side line
[20:30] <amell> always interesting when youre about to buy from a company who clearly has a cashflow problem
[20:30] <Upu_M0UPU> well will be mine in 16 days
[20:30] <amell> are you buying it out?
[20:31] <Upu_M0UPU> done just waiting on final accounts for this year and then I'll be the MD
[20:31] <arko> nice dude!
[20:31] <Upu_M0UPU> (currently technical director)
[20:31] <arko> congrats :)
[20:31] <Upu_M0UPU> current MD is 66 and retiring
[20:31] <amell> you will have a second director?
[20:31] <Upu_M0UPU> cheers arko
[20:31] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah but I can't appoint anyone until paper work has gone through
[20:32] <amell> ok well make sure you have 51% or more of the company.
[20:32] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah I have done just over
[20:32] <Upu_M0UPU> 100% of it :)
[20:32] <amell> people keep doing that, splitting shares 50:50 between the directors and then they fall out.
[20:32] <amell> but you will have another director or secretary?
[20:32] <Upu_M0UPU> don't worry if I come across as clueless its just an act
[20:32] <arko> thats also handy to do when someone needs to make a decision
[20:33] <amell> yes.
[20:33] <Upu_M0UPU> I need to find someone who doesn't have a shaky hand to make these boards for me
[20:33] <Upu_M0UPU> at the moment I do it myself
[20:34] <amell> youre taking an employee on board? :)
[20:34] <Upu_M0UPU> I have an apprentice who seems quite good just working him up to it
[20:34] <Upu_M0UPU> getting to the point where I could employ someone a day a week to make stuff up for hab supplies
[20:35] <amell> yes, just get someone in china to do it for you
[20:35] <Upu_M0UPU> well no :)
[20:35] <Upu_M0UPU> I'd rather employ someone in the UK
[20:35] <daveake> or yorkshire
[20:35] <amell> you want to maximise your revenues?
[20:35] <Upu_M0UPU> reminds me I'm on holiday start of June for 2 weeks
[20:35] <amell> offshore it.
[20:36] <Upu_M0UPU> so if you want anything order it before then
[20:36] <Upu_M0UPU> nah
[20:36] <amell> I already ordered it
[20:36] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm very keen on giving people a chance and a variety of experiences
[20:36] <Upu_M0UPU> got the order thanks
[20:36] <Upu_M0UPU> will ship Monday
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[20:37] <Upu_M0UPU> we take a college guy on every year
[20:37] <Upu_M0UPU> the current one is the best we've had by a mile
[20:37] <amell> what? youre not rushing down the PO with my order at 9am tomorrow morning? :(
[20:37] <Upu_M0UPU> as he has this wierd ability to do this thing called "thinking for himself"
[20:37] <Upu_M0UPU> err no :)
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[20:39] <arko> dude, its crazy how few people can think
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[20:40] <arko> we have got through so many coder students
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[20:40] <Upu_M0UPU> its small stuff
[20:40] <Upu_M0UPU> like we build up cardboard waste
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[20:40] <Upu_M0UPU> which needs to be emptied daily as its a fire hazard
[20:40] <Upu_M0UPU> and he's the first person to actually do it without asking
[20:40] <amell> wow.
[20:40] <arko> hah nice
[20:41] <Upu_M0UPU> which I know sounds trivial
[20:41] <amell> alternatively you could drop ship and have someone else deal with that
[20:41] <Upu_M0UPU> but 17 and 18 year olds don't seem to be embued with common sense
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[20:41] <aadamson> Upu_M0UPU, Anthony anything newer as far as geofence code other than in your repos?
[20:41] <Upu_M0UPU> no aadamson thats the latest I've done
[20:41] <aadamson> k, thanks!
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[20:52] <aadamson> what happened to B-52? no update in almost 30 mins...:(
[20:52] <amell> its broke
[20:52] <amell> GPS packed in, just ignore it
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[20:53] <amell> personally, im waiting for B-53
[20:53] <malgar> aadamson: so B52 is already lost?
[20:53] <amell> yes
[20:53] <mfa298> reading scrollback (well looking at arko's picture) that must be a special Upu box. I didn't think American payloads were allowed to be that small :p
[20:53] <arko> :)
[20:54] <arko> I'll take that as a compliment
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[20:54] <amell> Upu: bugger, I forgot to add the note to please put pins and battery holder on.
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[20:55] <mfa298> arko: you'll have to arrange to launch it in Europe, show the rest of the Americans you've joined the <2lbs club.
[20:55] <SIbot> In real units: 2 lbs = 907 g
[20:55] <aadamson> yeah I just read back through as well, looks like some sort of GPS failure on B-52
[20:55] <arko> mfa298: i've dont a 30g launch already
[20:55] <arko> im in the <907g club ;)
[20:55] <Upu_M0UPU> amell you want them on ?
[20:56] <amell> Upu: yes pls. so i can just jam it into my breadboard
[20:56] <Upu_M0UPU> rgr
[20:56] <amell> its not for HAB, so not concerned about weight.
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[20:59] <arko> mfa298: http://hackaday.io/project/270-CUBEX
[20:59] <arko> 50g now
[20:59] <arko> a little more heavy but still pico
[20:59] <arko> :)
[20:59] <arko> ish
[21:00] <mfa298> I did know you've done some lighter payloads.
[21:00] <mfa298> although I don't think I'd seen cubex before. that's nice.
[21:01] <arko> its a bit fat for pico
[21:01] <mfa298> I like the pint of beer added for scale
[21:02] <arko> :)
[21:03] <daveake> SiBot doesn't convert pints? :)
[21:03] <arko> lol
[21:03] <mfa298> well pints is the right unit to buy beer in isn't it ?
[21:04] <daveake> it is#
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[21:04] <arko> 473.176mL
[21:05] <mfa298> that's good, I'd feel a bit silly going into a pub and asking for 0.568l of their finest
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[21:06] <mfa298> arko: you're obviously being short changed over there.
[21:06] <arko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pint
[21:06] <arko> WTF
[21:07] <arko> 1 imperial pint = 568 mL
[21:07] <arko> we are being short changed
[21:07] <amell> correct
[21:07] <arko> i'm leaving this country
[21:07] <amell> we are imperial, you are not.
[21:07] <arko> awww, i want to be on the dark side
[21:07] <arko> they have a deathstar
[21:07] <arko> had*
[21:07] <mattbrejza> lol 'you' cant even do imperial properly
[21:07] <mattbrejza> failing at failing etc
[21:08] <arko> haha
[21:08] <arko> you guys still use miles though
[21:08] <arko> :)
[21:08] <mattbrejza> too much hastle to change all the signs...
[21:08] <arko> yeah, same here
[21:09] <mattbrejza> at the side of roads you get 'mile markers', but they are in fact in km
[21:09] <arko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_Conversion_Act
[21:09] <arko> haha
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[21:09] <mattbrejza> ^ that doesnt seem to have had much effect :P
[21:10] <arko> :) nop
[21:10] <arko> e
[21:10] <mattbrejza> here you have to sell stuff by metric, but can include imperial for reference
[21:10] <mattbrejza> like at a greengocers etc
[21:12] <mfa298> isn't that law mostly due to Europe. If we ignored them we'de probably still have some stuff sold purely in imperial
[21:13] <mattbrejza> not sure actually
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[21:13] <mattbrejza> im suprised that you still see temperature measured in F
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[21:14] <mattbrejza> in particular on the front pages of particular newspapers
[21:14] <mattbrejza> but tahts the only place
[21:14] <mattbrejza> not even my mum knows what F is
[21:14] <mfa298> people still buy newspapers ?
[21:14] <mattbrejza> no, but i amuse myself with the front page comparision on the bbc website every morning
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[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> back
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[21:19] Nick change: upu -> Upu
[21:20] <json34> B52,what is wrong?
[21:21] <daveake> It died with 15 miles to the love shack
[21:22] <amell> ^^lol
[21:22] <json34> Aadamson, wb8elk-11 is a pico flight?
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[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, a late congrats on the company
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[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane_
[21:28] <mclane_> hi Lunar Lander - how goes it?
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> don't know
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> good I think
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> and you?
[21:28] <mclane_> thank god its Friday
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[21:35] <Upu> thanks Lunar_Lander
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[21:46] <aadamson> json34, I have no idea, but I highly doubt it going to 80k feet, etc... I think it may have had upu board on board as a part of the payload or maybe not
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[21:50] <aadamson> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=12&call=a%2FWB8ELK-11&others=1&timerange=3600&tail=3600 - oh look hear comes the calvery :)
[21:53] <aadamson> cavalry that is...
[21:53] <Upu> thats one of his
[21:54] <Upu> the APRS icon for car amuses me
[21:54] <aadamson> ya, suspect yours were for show and tell maybe... I thought there was a youth launch however but can't remember
[21:54] <aadamson> yeah, its so *fred flinstone* :)
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[22:01] <chrisg7ogx> I'm missing a trick here, I never get the B series of ballon launches early. Would some kind soul pass me the details?
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[22:03] <arko> leo usually emails out
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[22:03] <Upu> chrisg7ogx its dead don't worry
[22:04] <Upu> KA98ZX-7 is on WB8ELK-11
[22:04] <chrisg7ogx> arko I havent seen him appear in the mailing list
[22:05] <chrisg7ogx> Upu ok shame thanks
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[22:07] <chrisg7ogx> I'm receiving 3 very quick pips every second on 434.500.700
[22:08] <chrisg7ogx> and rsid i think
[22:08] <chrisg7ogx> i'll post when heard again
[22:09] <chrisg7ogx> now
[22:09] <chrisg7ogx> vy short
[22:10] <chrisg7ogx> now
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[22:11] <gonzo___> I see pips on 434.50285, the short burst ofbdata on 434.50250
[22:12] <chrisg7ogx> gonzo yes ive narrowed down to434.500.500
[22:12] <chrisg7ogx> stand by for r
[22:12] <gonzo___> thw pips are definitly 350hz higher than the centre if the data
[22:12] <chrisg7ogx> agree
[22:12] <chrisg7ogx> but are not there when signals are sent
[22:13] <chrisg7ogx> so i jumped the gun and tied the two together!
[22:14] <chrisg7ogx> now
[22:14] <gonzo___> there is a delay after the shotr packet, before the pips start agn
[22:15] <gonzo___> power issue?
[22:16] <chrisg7ogx> brb 15 mins
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[22:16] <gonzo___> the end of the data is an abrupt stop then about 10 sec till the pips again
[22:18] <SA6BSS> gonzo___: dead gps
[22:19] <nats`> B52 is dead :)
[22:19] <nats`> you'll only hear bips
[22:19] <nats`> that could be cool to try a tracking with only bips
[22:19] <gonzo___> that's a bugger
[22:19] <gonzo___> is this b51?
[22:20] <SA6BSS> B-52
[22:20] <gonzo___> Iive missed a flight then!
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[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
[22:25] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: good night
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[22:26] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: forgot something? :D
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[22:36] <nats`> ahhh freenode is back to normal !
[22:37] <mfa298> looks like most of them went off on a tangent
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[22:41] <nats`> ok enough of thermal cam selfie
[22:41] <nats`> let's do something almost usefull
[22:41] <amell> hope leo solves his QC problems soon.
[22:42] <myself> Was this where I first learned of the ISEE-3 reboot project? http://www.rockethub.com/42228
[22:42] <amell> btw did everyone see todays russian wipeout?
[22:42] <amell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viCuZSee54o
[22:42] <myself> Either way, y'all might get a kick out of it.
[22:42] <amell> £35m down the drain in seconds
[22:43] <myself> That's rockets for ya
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