highaltitude.log.20140514

[00:03] <arko> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/elements/soyuz/landing_timeline.html
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[04:25] <Rebounder> morning
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[05:51] <sp2ipt> hi
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[06:32] <Earthshine> Morning
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[08:33] <DL7AD> morning
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[09:03] <WillDWork> does anyone know what the going rate is for lofting a 1U/2U/3U etc cubesat?
[09:07] <FuzzyLemon> has anyone ever heard of a payload landing on a motorway?
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[09:09] <craag> FuzzyLemon: Not afaik. We've had a few land in minor roads without incident. Given the wide open spaces, the chance is very small.
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[09:12] <mfa298> I think there's been a couple close to motorways (or other major roads) but if the prediction makes it look like it could the launcher may well do somethign to try and adjust that (i.e. if it's flying along the motorway near the predicted landing)
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[09:17] <JohnnySins> Has anyone on here taken out insurance for balloon flights
[09:18] <JohnnySins> (Public liability)
[09:18] <mfa298> I think a few have tried and usually struggled.
[09:19] <mfa298> If you're linked to a large organisation (school/media) you might be able to get it covered under and existing polic
[09:19] <mfa298> policy
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[10:15] <gonzo___> I did find some specific balloon launch policies. Looks like they were indended to be general public event cover, people tripping over things etc. But would be interesting to see if the wording of cover could be weasled into covering the balloons too.
[10:16] <gonzo___> the only proper cover I have heard about is media program making
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[14:00] <Earthshine> Afternoon
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[14:03] <Student> Hello does someone here got xp annalyzing .wav files in sdr# ?
[14:03] <Darkside> can it even do that?
[14:04] <Darkside> i've avoided sdr# anyway
[14:04] <Darkside> i usually use SDR-Console on windows
[14:04] <Student> Ye the thing is i got myself a .wav file wich contants my data now i don't know how to get my data back out this
[14:05] <Darkside> err
[14:05] <Darkside> so is that wave file an IQ recording?
[14:05] <Student> i can see my carrier and my 2 bytes on the analyzer but got no idea how to get back to well the byte itself
[14:05] <Darkside> or a recording of a demodulated sytnal
[14:05] <Darkside> ok now i have no idea what you're talking about
[14:05] <Student> Yes got IQ and AF
[14:05] <Darkside> well if you have an IQ file, you should be able to 'play' it back within SDR#
[14:05] <Darkside> assuming it supports that
[14:05] <Student> Yes it does that
[14:06] <Darkside> so whats the signal with in it?
[14:06] <Darkside> a recording of a balloon payload?
[14:06] <Darkside> or what?
[14:06] <Student> Yes
[14:06] <Student> It's a rtty signal from mt rfm22b
[14:06] <Darkside> ok then
[14:06] <Darkside> so you could play back the file, and pipe the AF output into dl-fldigi
[14:08] <Student> Now you lost me
[14:08] <Darkside> uhh
[14:08] <Darkside> have you read the SDR decoding guide on th eUKHAS wiki?
[14:08] <Student> ah no i'll check that didn't know it excisted
[14:08] <Darkside> you should be able to follow that, but use your recording instead of live data from a device
[14:09] <Darkside> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[14:09] <Darkside> down the bottom of this page
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[15:28] <Laurenceb__> has anyone here studies kalman filtering with serially correlated errors?
[15:29] <Laurenceb__> *studied
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[16:18] <Student> Darkside : I got the dl-fldigi running with my signal but can't seem to get to data out it even tho i see the shift
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[16:22] <daveake> Screenshot of dl-fldigi please
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[16:39] <Student> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2bzgnyzy8bp2tcs/DL-figi.png
[16:40] <Student> http://puu.sh/8M7cZ.jpg is in sdr#
[16:41] <mfa298> first step would be to retune the radio so the signal is nearer the centre of the waterfall
[16:41] <Student> http://puu.sh/8M7gM.png there is the full signal i captured
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[17:03] <arko> um, what
[17:04] <arko> did VK3YT-10 just take off again?
[17:04] <arko> went on holiday in New Zealand?
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[17:19] <aadamson> All, how is the best way to attach a pico payload to the foil balloon? Just planning ahead, I've got either kevlar thread, fishing line, small cord or anything else you can think of for what to use, but I'm just wondering how you attach it to the balloon itself?
[17:20] <myself> staples.
[17:20] <aadamson> yeah, that would work just great!
[17:20] <myself> or big magnets.
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[17:21] <myself> bolt it on.
[17:22] <myself> 1/4-20 works well..
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[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:38] <SA6BSS> jepp, looks like VK3YT-10 have lifted again :)
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[18:33] <Rebounder> hello
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[19:39] <aadamson> Upu, LeoBodnar are you using conformal coating to protect your boards? Or other means prior to your launch?
[19:44] <mattbrejza> he covers them in glitter to deter birds
[19:45] <Upu> pink gaffer tape
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[19:46] <aadamson> you guys are just full of fun today :)
[19:46] <daveake> Nobody jokes about pink gaffer tape
[19:47] <Rebounder> no oz-people around? thought about checking it more possible to launch form oz-land than its in sm*
[19:47] <aadamson> or Camo Duct tape :)
[19:48] <aadamson> oh wait that should be *pink* camo duct tape
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[20:12] <benny_boy> evening everyone
[20:12] <benny_boy> I need some help getting fldigi working in linux. Does anyone here have any experience of this?
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[20:16] <mfa298> it might help if you said what part you're having issues with
[20:19] <benny_boy> Getting it to receive the signal. I previously had it all working nicely on windows, but decoded to convert to linux. I have sdr sharp installed and working. I can hear the signal on my pc speakers. I guess I'm not sure how to pipe that signal to fldigi in linux
[20:20] <benny_boy> I've tried tinkering with the sound card options in fldigi, but no joy.
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[20:25] <mfa298> that's usually done with pulseaudio (I'm afraid I don't know exactly how) although lots of people have found it to be problematic.
[20:26] <mfa298> it sounds like pulse audio does some odd stuff to the audio stream that means it can't decode very well all the time.
[20:26] <mfa298> I think most people use gqrx as that's a native app on linux.
[20:27] <benny_boy> hmmmmm... OK. It seems there is a version of jack audio for linux too. I'll give that a go first. Ta
[20:27] <benny_boy> not heard of gqrx. I'll try that first
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[21:48] <mikestir> ping aadamson
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[21:49] <aadamson> Hi mikestir
[21:52] <aadamson> I need to go walk the dogs before some nasty weather gets here, but I'll be back in about 30... I'll watch for your comment when I get back
[21:55] <mikestir> sorry I went to make a brew and ended up loading the dishwasher... the jlink came. I'm impressed with it so far. Have it integrated with my usual makefile under linux - it launches into gdb with no obvious delay while it reflashes the target. pretty good
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[22:14] <ulfr> Hmm, not sure if this interests you guys or not, but we're doing a small rocket launch tomorrow morning.
[22:14] <ulfr> And if the gods permit, our stream will work at the site: http://bifrostaurora.org/
[22:15] <aadamson> mikestir, great to hear, yea, I'm all under windows, but so far, no complaints whatsoever, it's been pretty awesome and to think I lived with an STlink only prior ?:)
[22:16] <mikestir> it was very easy to get it working on linux using their software
[22:16] <jcoxon> ulfr, cool
[22:17] <aadamson> haven't tried that under linux, but I'm only using their stuff under windows as well... plugin for eclipse has specific jlink functionality so it's completely seemless
[22:17] <ulfr> (sorry for the annoying ads, I'm working on that)
[22:22] <fsphil> nice. more people should do rockets
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[22:27] <DL7AD> good morning!
[22:28] <Rebounder> ello
[22:29] <DL7AD> ello Rebounder! :D
[22:30] <Rebounder> any launches coming up in the qeekend, missed out a bit on the list
[22:30] <Rebounder> s/q/w
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[22:48] <amell> Hmm, a little disturbed by this ofcom consultation...
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[22:49] <amell> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/pssr-2014/summary
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[22:51] <amell> For public Wi-Fi, our testing suggests that interference may affect around 6.8% of the 4,000 postcode locations where outdoor networks are established
[22:51] <amell> wtf.
[22:54] <craag> As if there wasn't enough crud in 2.4ghz already
[22:54] <amell> im not clear why LTE would affect 2.4Ghz
[22:56] <craag> The base stations will be running high power, on a close frequency
[22:56] <craag> I doubt the wifi frontends have been designed to cope with that
[22:56] <amell> yeah. on 2.3Ghz&?
[22:56] <craag> Upper end of 2.3
[22:57] <amell> so some may spill over into 2.4?
[22:57] <craag> up to 2390
[22:57] <craag> Channel 1 is 2412
[22:57] <amell> well, thats 22kHz separation&
[22:58] <craag> There might be some splatter, but the main issue I think will be receiver desensitisation
[22:58] <craag> 22Mhz
[22:58] <Rebounder> channel1 starts aat 2401
[22:59] <craag> But the wifi rx has to cover 2401 - 2495
[22:59] <craag> Yeah, channel center freq is 2412
[22:59] <amell> so if someone starts up an LTE picocell next door, my wifi is buggered.
[22:59] <craag> So I doubt the rf rejection of 2390 is going to be very high in existing wifi chipsets
[23:00] <craag> The range'll be affected I bet
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[23:00] <craag> The exact effects may vary from chipset to chipset
[23:00] <amell> seems a bit crazy of ofcom to do this
[23:00] <craag> We shall find out!
[23:01] <Rebounder> quality chipset from tplink would problably work not very nice...
[23:02] <craag> It'll be more on Atheros
[23:03] <Rebounder> i just thought tplink much be the worst quality available
[23:03] <Rebounder> i guess
[23:04] <craag> tplink tend to be Atheros reference designs, I've found them to be rather good RF wise
[23:04] <craag> Their firmware sucks, but yay openwrt
[23:04] <Rebounder> ah
[23:04] <Rebounder> didn't know that
[23:04] <Rebounder> just thgout for so low price...
[23:05] <craag> Their low-end stuff is rubbish
[23:06] <craag> Bought a wifi range extender from them, and ended up using an ancient 11b AP instead - was more reliable. But that was some unbranded chipset.
[23:06] <Rebounder> :)
[23:06] <craag> I'm a fan of the atheros-based tplink stuff though
[23:07] <craag> But, it will probably be quite inferior to the high-end stuff like ubiquiti on the LTE RF issues
[23:07] <amell> anyone want one of these? only 10 left. be quick. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055OM9WS/
[23:08] <craag> Just cos I bet the atheros IC has a wider input filter than the custom ubiquiti stuff
[23:08] <craag> haha amell
[23:08] <amell> reviews are worth a read
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[23:08] <craag> And they still put that awful US mains plug on the end - WHY???
[23:09] <Rebounder> we had similar cable on a local store
[23:09] <amell> I was delighted with this purchase until I discovered that the NRG WEL, rather than me, was the father of our youngest son
[23:09] <amell> I couldn't help noticing that our baby was blessed with a much larger and more impressive connector than any other male in my family.
[23:10] <Rebounder> Q: Is there a warranty on this product?
[23:10] <Rebounder> A:
[23:10] <Rebounder> Yes! A 10,000,000 year warranty hand-delivered by Zeus himself.
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[23:12] <Rebounder> well, lecture ending, time to find some food, l8r
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