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[00:01] <DL7AD> good night
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[00:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> gm all
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[00:28] <PB0NER> Hi Herman... good I went out bed to get a pain killer.. had to retune a bit
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[00:28] <PB0NER> 1st package I heard .... graan
[00:29] <PB0NER> green
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[00:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> DL7AD: u have super receiver hihihihi
[00:32] <pb1dft> Goooood mornig habbers
[00:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> morning terry
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[00:34] <PB0NER> I'm back to bed... this will keep working without me looking at it I guess
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[00:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> ken je niet slapen
[00:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> of mis je ons te veel ?
[00:40] <pb1dft> he needs a rubber hammer
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[00:47] <pb1dft> Leo still awake?
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[00:58] <g0pai_ian> DL7AD gm is your reception of B-51 down to antenna or artifice (remote rx)? B-51 certainly seems well over your horizon at the moment.
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[01:39] <mauhen> B-51 seems to drift up in frequency during data transmission. I am going to sign off now.
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[01:43] <pb1dft> last try to decode a packet the n it's nn time here too
[01:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> me to i go to sleep and see tomorow agn wath happen
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[01:58] <pb1dft> ther nn time
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[02:18] <malclocke> Oooh ... hello Horus :)
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[03:52] <cardre> What freq for Horus?
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[04:17] <DL7AD_> morning
[04:18] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
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[04:19] <malclocke> Darkside, is Horus testing or flying?
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[05:18] <malclocke> flying by the looks of it :)
[05:20] <arko> its shooting up at 8m/s wow
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[05:44] <sp2ipt> morning
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[06:25] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi
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[06:51] <sp2ipt> anyone knows some document describing good practices in matlab/simulink modeling (large scale) with some more details than 'use buses' and watch 'tips&tricks for large-scale modeling'?
[07:01] <DL7AD_mobile> Not me
[07:05] <DL7AD_mobile> Morning btw sp2ipt
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[07:37] <amell> hey, looks like B-51 burst.
[07:38] <fsphil> aww
[07:38] <amell> seems quality standards are dropping
[07:39] <amell> this doesnt appear to have been sunrise related as burst happened at 4am
[07:39] <amell> its dark then isnt it?
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[07:39] <LazyLeopard> Sunrise todawas at about 04:15 UTC.
[07:39] <LazyLeopard> today, even...
[07:40] <amell> oh, could have been that then
[07:40] <amell> sunrise will be a bit earlier at 9000 ft.
[07:40] <SIbot> In real units: 9000 ft = 2743 m
[07:40] <amell> 9000m even
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[07:43] <LazyLeopard> Might just have been weather-related at that altitude, I guess.
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[07:45] Action: amell waits patiently for B-52
[07:45] <amell> will B-52 start carpet bombing us all?
[07:48] <gonzo__> pft, not even your carpets are safe now!
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[08:06] <Darkside> https://imgur.com/a/ZH3Ij
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[08:26] <WillDWork> nice one Darkside
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[08:41] <nats`> hi boyz
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[08:44] <DL1SGP> salut nats`
[08:46] <nats`> Wie geht's DL1SGP ? :)
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[09:32] <DL7AD> hi
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[09:47] <g7ogxchris> missed the party..
[09:47] <fsphil> there was a party?
[09:48] <g7ogxchris> I checked the map at 8pm isk i swear there was nothing there
[09:50] <g7ogxchris> The UK Department for Education (DfE) has selected the Horizon balloon project to feature in the departments #yourlife campaign to promote Maths and Science
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[09:56] <g7ogxchris> PLEASE put another aloft Leo, it would linger for novices!
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[10:03] <Hix> Good moaning
[10:05] <jonsowman> morning Hix
[10:09] <Hix> how goes jonsowman?
[10:10] <mattbrejza> jonsowman: what was i printing?
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[11:31] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
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[11:44] <aadamson> nats`, that fixed it - thanks for giving me some ideas
[11:48] <Seejjay> aadamson: What fixed it? (please) I missed the conversation later yesterday.
[11:50] <aadamson> I had routed the FB (feedback trace/pin) under the inductor and next to the SW trace/pin to get to the VD (voltage divider)... all things a no-no and documented in the datasheet that I must have missed
[11:50] <aadamson> anyway, I cut that trace on the FB pin and move the VD over and away from the inductor and that solve the problem
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[11:53] <Seejjay> Excellent, sometimes the simplest things cause the most problems!! Thank you.
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[11:56] <aadamson> Seejjay, ya, had I only read that one line, I'd have caught that... and actually I knew better, but was just brain dead during layout... easy enough fix though for the board spin
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[12:04] <mikestir-work> aadamson: I just gave in and ordered a jlink - messing about with a repurposed stlink is not worth the bother!
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[12:23] <aadamson> mikestir-work, you made the right decision and the EDU version is the same as the base version, you just get a 12:00 midnight each day reset on saying yes to not copying it, etc... not a major problem
[12:23] <aadamson> not using it on other hardware I should say
[12:25] <aadamson> btw, go get the flash lite tool in the beta section - http://www.segger.com/jlink-software-beta-version.html
[12:26] <aadamson> when I first got mine I couldn't just flash a new version without going through some other means (they had a wonky command line tool), but they released a ui driven flash tool that works real well too, now
[12:26] <jonsowman> good thanks Hix, apologies for the exceptionally slow reply!
[12:26] <jonsowman> how are you?
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[12:48] <Hix> jonsowman heh, it seems slow is the new instant :) not too bad, hows Southampton [was there wasn't it?]
[12:49] <jonsowman> haha
[12:49] <GW8RAK> Off topic, but a general question about GPS's. Garmin advertise that some of their handheld units are high sensitivity. Is this down to better electronics, processing, active aerial or what? Any info appreciated.
[12:49] <jonsowman> yeah all good thanks Hix, busy as usual!
[12:49] Nick change: neevnav1 -> neevnav
[12:50] <Hix> not been around much of late due to having to actually work and also a fried thinkpad restricting my interweb activities.
[12:58] <craag> GW8RAK: Could be anything; more gain on the LNA, larger antenna, more sensitive receiver..
[12:59] <jonsowman> Hix: fair! maybe frying my laptop would increase my productivity
[12:59] <Hix> :D
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[13:18] <GW8RAK> craag - thank you. I'm after some gps modules which work under tree cover and my little cheap Garmin has trouble in an open field.
[13:22] <craag> Sounds like more sensitivity is what you're after then!
[13:22] <craag> From what I've seen, garmin and people need to come up with a way to compete with A-GPS on phones though.
[13:23] <craag> Cold-fix time for my unconnected tablet with gps assistance data downloaded a few hours beforehand is <10s
[13:24] <GW8RAK> What is A-GPS please?
[13:24] <GW8RAK> My tablet is certainly quick to get a fix, but my phone is rubbish.
[13:26] <craag> Assisted GPS, when it downloads the ephemeris through another connection (such as a data connection), which tells it what satellites are where
[13:27] <craag> An unconnected gps will have to receive that from the satellites - which takes a bit of time
[13:27] <GW8RAK> Ultimately, the system I'm considering could use the GSM network as well, but initially I'm looking at remote areas with no GSM. So just what the GPS module can receive.
[13:28] <GW8RAK> Time of lock isn't too critical, but woodland use is.
[13:30] <craag> GPS shouldn't have an issue holding lock in woodland
[13:31] <GW8RAK> Ideally woodland such as arctic birch and coniferous forests, so can be quite dense.
[13:31] <craag> I've used my brothers garmin dakota unit in woods without any issues
[13:31] <GW8RAK> I have a gps module with active aerial so will have to go find some woodland.
[13:31] <GW8RAK> That's good to know.
[13:31] <craag> Ah not coniferous though
[13:31] <craag> And it did take forever to get a lock :P
[13:32] <craag> But then I just left it on after that
[13:32] <GW8RAK> It could be quite a challenge.
[13:32] <craag> What are you using it for?
[13:34] <GW8RAK> Had a request a couple of years ago for a safety system for expeditions in Antarctica, but I've now had a brainwave and want to see if there is a product in it.
[13:35] <GW8RAK> Antarctica is easy, but taking it to more normal environments is the problem.
[13:37] <craag> Ah ok, so you looking for a standalone unit, or gps component module?
[13:37] <GW8RAK> Component, rather than finished Garmin type product
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[13:42] <craag> Ok, so just sizing up what the garmins use for comparison?
[13:42] <craag> sarantel has some nice active helixes, shame they've gone bust.
[13:43] <craag> I guess you're wanting something that would work in any orientation, so active patch might not be so great.
[13:44] <GW8RAK> There are a lot of different users and orientation cannot be guaranteed, particularly in a "safety" system.
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[13:45] <craag> These are the replacement manufacturer that Upu seems to be going for on the passive helixes, and they do have active ones: http://www.jdgagps.com/Pages/ActiveGPSAntennas.aspx
[13:45] <UpuWork> I have some of those antennas in stock craag
[13:45] <UpuWork> need to put them on the shop
[13:46] <UpuWork> REMQV
[13:46] <craag> Cool! Comparable performance to the sarantels?
[13:46] <GW8RAK> I'll have to do some research and perhaps buy a number of units to test them in different environments.
[13:47] <GW8RAK> Missed Antartica for this year and can't get stuff to the Arctic either.
[13:47] <UpuWork> fractionally less signal but generally worked in any orientation
[13:47] <UpuWork> I still have 50 SL1252R's ifyou want them
[13:47] <craag> Good to know - cheers
[13:48] <GW8RAK> What are those UpuWork?
[13:48] <UpuWork> Sarantel
[13:48] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=80
[13:48] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/image/cache/data/IMG_1765-500x500.JPG
[13:48] <UpuWork> thats the Quad V one
[13:48] <UpuWork> which incidentally does GLONASS too
[13:49] <GW8RAK> Okay, thanks. May get back to you. Still early days, but quite excited about it.
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[13:49] <UpuWork> what are you doing with them ?
[13:50] <GW8RAK> At this stage it is early days and am waiting for a patent lawyer to get back to me with some information, so can't say specifically.
[13:50] <UpuWork> ok
[13:50] <GW8RAK> Unfortunately, it may need more money than I can throw at it.
[13:52] <craag> GW8RAK: Ping me if you do take an interest in gsm, I currently build roaming gsm modems for a living :)
[13:53] <GW8RAK> Thank you, that is very interesting. Some of the commercial users could establish a local GSM network, even if not connected any wider than themselves, and use Android phones for the clever bit.
[13:54] <GW8RAK> Only came across local area GSM networks at the weekend, so still developing the ideas.
[13:54] <craag> Hmm, setting up GSM might be a bit overkill if you're jsut after telemetry
[13:55] <GW8RAK> It may be overkill, but if the phones are readily available, it could be cheaper overall.
[13:55] <GW8RAK> I was told of a mobile GSM network (name escapes me) at the weekend which can create a local system and then one long range link back to main GSM networks
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[13:56] <craag> You've got me very interested now :P
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[13:57] <GW8RAK> IIRC, it is open source
[13:57] <mikestir-work> openbts?
[13:57] <craag> There's openBTS and stuff liek that
[13:58] <GW8RAK> Can't remember sorry. When told about it, my brain went into overdrive.
[13:58] <craag> Still needs expensive hardware and rf licensing
[13:58] <craag> hehe, I know that feeling!
[13:59] <GW8RAK> RF Licensing + Antarctica = United Nations and ITU = lots of emails to progress nowhere.
[14:00] <craag> No surprises there!
[14:00] <GW8RAK> The Arctic should be easier, but the Canadians haven't got back to me and Putin is otherwise focussed.
[14:03] <craag> Gotta run - sounds an awesome project, if you have any questions - phildcrump@gmail.com
[14:04] <GW8RAK> Thanks for your help craag. I need to go as well. Got boring work to do.
[14:05] <Hix> any ideas as to which Apps people deem essential on OSX, I've just switched to the big apple brand and am fairly clueless.
[14:06] <Hix> oops
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[14:13] <Lunar_LanderU> hello GW8RAK
[14:14] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunan_LanderU
[14:14] <GW8RAK> Sorry, Lunar
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[14:37] <Lunar_LanderU> no problem GW8RAK
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[14:42] <mfa298> Hix: I think he decided he'd been top ranking on the pisg stats for too long.
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[14:51] <Hix> mfa298 :D
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[15:08] <daveake> He hit the magic million words; I think that was the final trigger
[15:10] <myself> heh. if someone ran one of those in my other channels I'd be In trouble.
[15:10] <fsphil> you'd think he'd round back to zero
[15:11] <myself> stats counter in cobol?
[15:11] <fsphil> watch your language
[15:11] <sp2ipt> logo not cobol ;)
[15:12] <fsphil> I wrote a logo interpreter in amos basic on the amiga
[15:12] <fsphil> that was good fun
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[15:13] <myself> that's.... sweet.
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[15:28] <Hix> Jayzus, he did pass 1000000 word aswell, blimey
[15:28] <Hix> *words
[15:29] <mfa298> although that is over a longer period of time. I keep thinking it could be more interesting to see the stats over the last year
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[15:38] <Laurenceb__> fsphil is catching up on me
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[15:42] <mfa298> I just tried running pisg on my logs since jan and I think Ed was still top, followed by Leo
[15:43] <mfa298> that's from reading the raw html, I might try putting it somewhere accessible later
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[16:00] <G8KNN> VK3YT-10 arrives in NZ!
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[16:11] <Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcF5xNrb3HA
[16:15] Nick change: MichaelC3 -> MichaelC
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[16:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:36] <DL7AD> hi Lunar_Lander
[16:38] <Laurenceb__> vitava.si/home/images/documents/eng/know-how/poisk_public_eng.pps
[16:38] <Laurenceb__> wut
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[16:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL1SGP
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[16:56] <Laurenceb__> http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/
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[17:03] <arko> hahahaha
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[17:03] <arko> cnelson_: ^
[17:03] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zMoo9V1RWgQ
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[18:00] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, have you latest attempts been with custom envelopes?
[18:00] <aadamson> Any theories as to what's happening?
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[18:39] <jcoxon> oooo vk3yt-10 made it to New Zealand
[18:41] <arko> wow
[18:41] <arko> what are the odds that it pops and lands there too
[18:41] <arko> awesome
[18:41] <jcoxon> :-)
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[18:57] <pnephos> Hello. Do you know any cheap radio receiver for the 70 cm band that can be used with SDR? I need it to track a balloon with a Radiometrix NTX2 transmitter.
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[18:58] <craag> pnephos: There's the RTLSDRs
[18:59] <craag> for about 10 english pounds
[18:59] <Rebounder> great start
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[19:02] <pnephos> Thanks, craag. However, I've read that you need a very good antenna to use them, and without that, they may be unsuitable for real tracking purposes.
[19:02] <aadamson> Just a little test... powerfilm panels (2 in paralle), semi-disharged 1S lipo, aprs beacon every 2 minutes with binary telem - http://aprs.fi/telemetry/a/W7QO-6
[19:03] <craag> pnephos: What are you planning to use them for? chasing or tracking from home?
[19:03] <pnephos> Chasing
[19:03] <craag> I've used them for chasing, they work ok. If you add one of Upu's habamps, they get closer to the performance of a real receiver.
[19:04] <craag> habamp: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=83
[19:05] <craag> I now use an FCD pro plus, which blows the RTLSDR out of the water, but is fair bit more pricey
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[19:07] <aadamson> couple of notes... how to decode all my bits and bytes during this test :)... - http://www.evernote.com/shard/s159/sh/4b85b236-a010-4195-acd1-12b03cf92980/b555ed42189fa7a52b30de93625d7f5a
[19:08] <pnephos> Yes, I've heard very good opinions about the Funcube. Thank you for the information. I will do a bit more of research about RTLSDRs.
[19:08] <craag> np :)
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[19:09] <aadamson> craag, I also have a FCP+
[19:09] <Upu> The HABAmp is useful for the original FCD
[19:09] <Upu> and it still works well on the Pro+
[19:09] <aadamson> I have an rlt as well, and I picked up one of the minis with the 820 chip... I use the FCP+ all the time, the others collect dust
[19:10] <craag> aadamson: Heh same here, I've got a stack of E4000-based ones - looking for a use :P
[19:10] <aadamson> yeah I keep saying I'll put one in a BBB or rPi and create an IP RX, but haven't done it yet
[19:11] <nats`> the problem is when you used a better receiver
[19:11] <aadamson> actually I loaded the software and proved that it worked and that was the end of that :)
[19:11] <nats`> it's hard togo back to a such "crappy" one
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[19:11] <aadamson> hehe nats` did you see my thanks and comment - it's fixed
[19:11] <nats`> yep :)
[19:11] <craag> I'd hoped to put a websdr up in uni with them - but that's not going to happen :/
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[19:12] <aadamson> yeah that trace and or the one with the VD next to the SW trace got me, both will get fixed in a board spin
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[19:17] <Rebounder> craag: why?
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[19:20] <craag> Rebounder: Any kind of roof access, even to existing masts, has proved impossible. Too much red tape.
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[19:22] <craag> We got one set up at the Basingstoke site though thanks to G8GTZ, and are looking at other sites.
[19:22] <craag> Just crazy that we can't put one on the Unis own buildings.
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[19:26] <craag> Especially when the radio club used to put this up several times a year on the highest building: http://www.suws.org.uk/images/8/83/OldG3KMI_Dec93_2mArray.jpg
[19:27] <sp2ipt> nice tonna ants ;)
[19:27] <craag> mm
[19:27] <sp2ipt> but where's the elevation rotator? :)
[19:27] <craag> sad story: They got chucked out when the club disappeared in the late 90s
[19:28] <sp2ipt> :/
[19:28] <craag> haha no elevation VHF SSB contesting
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:28] <sp2ipt> so the ants should be put in vertical stack :P
[19:29] <craag> Apparently did rather well - would point south, not talk to a single UK station, and nearly always were in the top 2
[19:30] <sp2ipt> they had some problems with this stack. I've had a chance to compare 5 wl 2 m antennas in different arrays
[19:30] <sp2ipt> the H shape is just no good for contests - you have to turn the ants all the time
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[19:32] <aadamson> sad story, but live tracking of kicksat with very frequently updated TLE's - http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=39685#TOP
[19:32] <craag> They probably did that - kept the guy on the roof warm having to move it all the time (note the lack of electric rotator)
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[19:33] <sp2ipt> craag: they must've done that ;) It gets picky when it's winter time and you feed the ants with 2 kW output :))
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[19:33] <aadamson> they are so close, they have battery at 7.5-8v but need 8 before the RX turns on... which would allow them to jeteson the microsats
[19:33] <aadamson> but it appears that isn't going to happen before reentry
[19:34] <sp2ipt> craag: sad story :/
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[19:53] <LeoBodnar> vanity took over engineering
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[19:57] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, thanks for the confirmation yesterday I solved my issue with the buck controller
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[20:04] <Laurenceb_> what was hte issue?
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[20:06] <aadamson> Laurenceb_, I ran the Feedback trace under the inductor, *and* the VD next to the Switched output. Cut a trace move two parts and fixed
[20:06] <Laurenceb_> ah
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[20:07] <aadamson> basically the inductor was causing the FB to have lots of noise which the processor thought was a voltage issue and so it basically was in *FORCED* PWM when it should have fallen back to power saved PFM
[20:07] <aadamson> finally I read the datasheet *again* and it was documented there not to do what was done ;)
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[20:28] <jededu> ping craag
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[20:36] <craag> jededu: pong
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[20:40] <Laurenceb_> http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/217129-1/Snail-road-prank.gif
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[20:50] <Earthshine> Evening
[20:52] <Upu> evening
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:03] <Adam012> Is anyone planning to watch the old crew leave the ISS tonight (thanks to the great British camera kit recently installed we can watch them break away and start their descent!)?
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[21:22] <Earthshine> What time?
[21:25] <Adam012> Hang on, just doing the EDT-->GMT conversion...
[21:26] <Adam012> Undocking begins 23:18 and should take place at 23:33 if all goes to plan (all GMT)
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[21:29] <Earthshine> So 22:18 BST
[21:30] <Earthshine> Which was 12 mins ago
[21:30] <LazyLeopard> 00:18 BST
[21:30] <LeoBodnar> that's 00:18 BST
[21:30] <Earthshine> Did you mean BST ?
[21:30] <Earthshine> oh yeah
[21:30] <LeoBodnar> you should work for a space agency XD
[21:30] <Earthshine> :S
[21:31] <arko> DSN is hiring
[21:31] <LeoBodnar> just joking
[21:31] <arko> likewise :)
[21:31] <arko> thats a group of really brilliant folks here
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[21:33] <Adam012> Someone just tweeted the crew, "Remember; mirror, signal, manoeuvre!"
[21:34] <Earthshine> lol
[21:34] <Adam012> Live stream: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream?utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nasa.gov%2Fmultimedia%2Fnasatv%2Fiss_ustream.html%23.U3KL-yjZd2p&utm_medium=Embed&utm_campaign=Chat%2Bicon
[21:37] <Adam012> Sorry, 23:18-23:33 current BST is undocking
[21:37] <Adam012> Forgot about BST.
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[21:39] <Earthshine> Aha so I was right after all !!!
[21:44] <LeoBodnar> i think they have some issues with partial oxygen pressure
[21:47] <Earthshine> Also... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload
[21:48] <Adam012> Nice find!
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[21:51] <Earthshine> and then she's gone
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[22:06] <Adam012> Absence of sunlight, should get light in time...fingers crossed!
[22:07] <Maxell> Adam012: how long until we get visual again?
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[22:07] <Earthshine> about 20 mins
[22:08] <Adam012> Yup, should start to see light creeping back as we near 23:30
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[22:15] <Adam012> Erm...might have been -1hr out on the time
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[22:24] <Earthshine> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#.U3Ka-_ldV8E
[22:32] <Adam012> Okay, NASA is getting chatty as we close on 00:18
[22:33] <Adam012> 2 mins to go!
[22:33] <Adam012> I was right the first time.
[22:33] <Adam012> I shouldn;t doubt me, I'm smart X-p
[22:34] <Earthshine> Visible on NASA TV b ut not on the 2 streams
[22:34] <Adam012> Shitty time for HDEV to be off.
[22:35] <Earthshine> Yep
[22:35] <Rebounder> the control is from houston?
[22:35] <Rebounder> or?
[22:35] <Adam012> Hooks are starting to move!
[22:36] <Adam012> For those who missed the link: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#.U3KcoijZd2p
[22:36] <Earthshine> There she goes
[22:37] <Earthshine> Bye bye Soyuz
[22:37] <Adam012> Wow!
[22:37] <Adam012> More cameras please!
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[22:38] <Earthshine> @ISS101
[22:39] <Earthshine> Houston we have a problem
[22:40] <Earthshine> The worst time for those feeds to be down
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[22:42] <Adam012> Whose line is it anyway - Things you never want to hear when aboard the ISS...
[22:43] <Adam012> "Err, is that door supposed to be op...whoosh!"
[22:43] <Adam012> "Ooohh, fire is pretty in space...arrrrgggghhhhhh!"
[22:45] <Adam012> "Commander, just to confirm, the three month delayed supply run contains just Brussel Sprouts. Copy. No, I'm not joking, nothing but bagged sprouts."
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[22:46] <Earthshine> lol
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[22:47] <Adam012> Anyone else got one?
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[22:49] <Adam012> Woh, feeds are back!
[22:57] <Adam012> Main NASA view scanning for and located Soyuz
[22:58] <Adam012> Good night all. Hope they have a safe landing.
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[23:55] <amell> what time is the deorbit?
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