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[06:24] <DL7AD_> http://www.radioamateurs-france.fr/vol-stratospherique-au-dessus-des-pyrenees-16164/
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[06:41] <f5vnf> dl7ad I could see my house from there
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[06:44] <DL7AD> f5vnf: that has been a cool video ;) probably a lot of work.
[06:44] <DL7AD> f5vnf: im currently busy answering all the mails im gettingfor b-47
[06:51] <sp2ipt> great movie
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[07:32] <DL7AD> morning all!
[07:32] <sp2ipt> hi
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[07:32] <DL7AD> sp2ipt: hi
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[07:38] <TK4LS> Hi Sven
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[07:42] <LeoBodnar> morning
[07:42] <UpuWork> Someone tell Mclane to add some code to report 0,0 if sats <3
[07:42] <UpuWork> morning
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[07:44] <LeoBodnar> btw, message from ARHAB / Keith Kaiser: "... from here on out to claim any kind of record or even make the records list you must pre-post your flight at; http://arhab.org/hab_launch_form.php"
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[07:44] <UpuWork> ah just the man
[07:44] <eroomde> we shpould just take it over
[07:45] <UpuWork> mclane_
[07:45] <eroomde> it's ukhas getting all the records
[07:45] <LeoBodnar> and MXHAS
[07:45] <UpuWork> can you put some code in so if sats <4 report 0,0,0
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[07:46] <TEAMMEXICO> NO IT NOT SENIOR
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[07:46] <UpuWork> that has technically always been the rules LeoBodnar
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[07:48] <LeoBodnar> i might struggle with "pre-" bit
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[07:50] <fsphil> our mexican friends could still pre-register their flight and report a dodgey altitude
[07:51] <UpuWork> Its an official rule LeoBodnar but don't worry about it :)
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[07:53] <LeoBodnar> dude abides
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[08:22] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
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[08:23] <daveake> #that'snothowit'sdone
[08:24] <x-f> #it'saritual
[08:30] <tweetBot> @daveake: Thhere's a #RaspberryPI #UKHAS HAB flight in "Heston's Great British Food" tonight, Channel 4, 9pm.
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[08:32] <craag> Looks like someone wiped SP3OSJ off the tracker about half an hour ago - it's still in flight!
[08:32] <daveake> !!!
[08:32] <craag> (Hence we've now only got the path for the last 30 minutes..)
[08:32] <LazyLeopard> Ho hum...
[08:33] <craag> Something tells me that's not going to be an easy fix..
[08:33] <daveake> I know how to zap that (but it wasn't me!) but no idea how to get the data back
[08:34] <SP3OSJ> Someone is learning to handle http://spacenear.us/tracker/ on my balloon: (
[08:34] <craag> Yeah someone will have to custom-import that data
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[08:35] <SP3OSJ> How can I fly like me still bother anyone?
[08:38] <UpuWork> uh sorry SP3OSJ I thought it had stopped transmitting
[08:38] <SP3OSJ> why me?
[08:38] <UpuWork> have you launched again today ?
[08:39] <UpuWork> I clear all inactive flights from the tracker as it gets messy
[08:39] <craag> He launched again last night
[08:39] <UpuWork> ah crap
[08:39] <UpuWork> sorry
[08:39] <SP3OSJ> no
[08:41] <SP3OSJ> start yesterday flight
[08:42] <UpuWork> yes but it stopped transmitting and you've launched again
[08:42] <UpuWork> its confusing you need to use flight numbers
[08:42] <UpuWork> this is a different flight
[08:43] <daveake> Imagine if Leo just flew "B" ....
[08:48] <fsphil> it would B everywhere
[08:49] <amell> lol
[08:49] <amell> wonder where B-47 is, thought R4UAB would have picked it up by now
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[08:55] <amell> DL7AD: Did you email a load of Ruskis?
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[09:11] <FuzzyLemon> Hi. I'm trying to export some telemetry from our flight (BALYOLO 3) yesterday and none of it seems to have been saved on habhub. Does anyone know where it's gone?
[09:12] <mfa298> FuzzyLemon: I think it's only easily available if you had a flight doc in place and approved for the flight before the launch
[09:12] <mfa298> although there may still be ways to get it out
[09:13] <craag> Yeah you need to export for the payload
[09:13] <craag> and then date filter it
[09:14] <FuzzyLemon> the flight is on the list the but the kml file is 'unavailable' for some reason
[09:15] <craag> That's because your flight doc was wrong
[09:15] <craag> So pick the payload instead from the right-hand menu
[09:16] <craag> And you'll get the data from your other flights too, so open the KMZ in a text editor and delete those.
[09:16] <craag> s/KMZ/KML/
[09:17] <mfa298> you need to make sure you get the right payload as well (it may help to get the CSV data first so you can check the raw telem matches for the flight
[09:18] <FuzzyLemon> oh yeh thanks!
[09:19] <mfa298> have fun getting the right data out, looks like there's no dates stored in that data
[09:20] <craag> Nope, but you can recognise yesterday's flight by the low battery voltage ;)
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[09:21] <mfa298> and should be possible to work it out based on times - but working out flights in the middle may be harder (at least from raw telem)
[09:21] <craag> The altitude profiles make it easy tbh
[09:21] <craag> You can clearly see where one flight ends and another begins
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[09:28] <FuzzyLemon> there was definitely a blip in one of the strings. our highest altitude reading was 21640405m. that's got to be a record!
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[09:31] <malgar> FuzzyLemon: congratulations :P
[09:31] <malgar> near geostationary orbit
[09:31] <malgar> :D
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[10:11] <LeoBodnar> you hold quite a few records now i am afraid
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/tvman-pocket-mobile-tv-hotspot-a90nj - would be quite cool - if it could be hacked into a all-in-one receiver
[10:24] <fsphil> cute. dvb wifi bridge?
[10:25] <fsphil> pvr too
[10:25] <SpeedEvil> And power-bank
[10:26] <fsphil> oh yes, missed that bit
[10:26] <SpeedEvil> A 433 receiver - even if not a great one - that you could just jam onto a wifi network and have it work would be very col.
[10:26] <SpeedEvil> cool
[10:27] <SpeedEvil> Especially if it worked mobile too.
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[11:12] <DL7AD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08K_aEajzNA :D
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[11:19] <RU4HU> HI Folk !!
[11:20] <RU4HU> Any bady home ????
[11:20] <LeoBodnar> Hi RU4HU
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[11:21] <RU4HU> HI LeoBodnaar
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[11:22] <RU4HU> Need help for install FLDIGI
[11:22] <DL7AD> hi RU4HU :)
[11:23] <RU4HU> HI Sven !!
[11:23] <DL7AD> :D wlcome. LeoBodnar should speak russian. we will guide you
[11:23] <DL7AD> RU4HU: are you running windows?
[11:25] <RU4HU> Yes . Iam running program
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[11:27] <DL7AD> RU4HU: did you already install dlfldigi?
[11:27] <RU4HU> I see water0D44
[11:27] <RU4HU> waterfall
[11:28] <DL7AD> does it look like this? http://puu.sh/8uEEm/aa5340211b.png
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[11:28] <RU4HU> I set the level of reception
[11:29] <DL7AD> RU4HU: okay.... but do you see this window: http://puu.sh/8uEEm/aa5340211b.png ?
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[11:29] <RU4HU> what fashion should stand in my RX ??
[11:30] <LeoBodnar> ?@825B!
[11:31] <RU4HU> LeoBodnar @825B !!
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[11:31] <LeoBodnar> K A;KH8B5 A83=0;K?
[11:32] <LeoBodnar> ?@85<=8: 4>;65= 1KBL 2 @568<5  434.500
[11:32] <RU4HU> KBKNAL 70?CAB8BL FLDIGI =0 ?@85< =0 <>5< 65;575
[11:32] <RU4HU> =5B ?>:0 =5 A;KHC
[11:33] <RU4HU> C <5=O @O4>< ;5B8B B 47 10;;>= C =53> 2@>45 144 800
[11:34] <RU4HU> <5N TS 790 + 4 x 9 yagi A M;520F859 EME setup
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[11:36] <DL7AD> RU4HU: i think the best would be turning your antenna to the south and try to receive the aprs. its transmitting aprs ever 2minutes
[11:36] <DL7AD> RU4HU: it will fly south of you.
[11:37] <gonzo_> awaits the LeoBot translation
[11:38] <DL7AD> gonzo_: hes currently not there....
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[12:05] <LeoBodnar> Oh, where is RU4?
[12:05] <UpuWork> not sure but I've been watching log tail
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[12:55] <sp2ipt> DL7AD: that pilot's a great idiot ;)
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[13:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[13:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> ello
[13:41] <UpuWork> afternoon
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> hej
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[15:04] <Charl_> Hi all, I need some help with the flight prediction tool at http://predict.habhub.org/. There seem to be a differrence in prediction between it and the flight path prediction model at http://weather.uwyo.edu/polar/balloon_traj.html
[15:05] <Charl_> The first one predicts the balloon essentially flying West, and the other predicts it flying in an Easterly direction.
[15:07] <Charl_> We are in South Africa, so it might result from the fact that we are in the southern hemisphere, and the math was not adjusted for it.
[15:07] <Charl_> Any comment would be appreciated.
[15:10] <mfa298> the habhub predictor allows you to specify a lot more detail about the flight (type of balloon, gas, ascent/descent rates) which will all potentiall affect how the balloon travels.
[15:11] <mfa298> I don;t know what south africa is like, but in the UK the wind direction at higher altitudes is often very different to lower altitudes and the time spent in each area will affect the overall direction.
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[15:15] <craag> The habhub predictor is often used for flights in the southern hemisphere (particularly Australia).
[15:16] <craag> And the wind data is global - so I'd expect the same accuracy from it in SA as we see in the UK
[15:17] <Charl_> Thanks, that helps a lot to know it is being used in Australia.
[15:18] <Charl_> The other model really provides wildly fluctuating flight paths, are you familiar with it?
[15:20] <Charl_> It might be better for me to just choose one, because as I say, the one predicts that it is going to fly west and the other predicts it is going to fly east, Maybe I'll stick to the habhub one and hope for the best :)
[15:21] <UpuWork> http://weather.uwyo.edu/polar/balloon_traj.html assumes a fixed ascent and decent rate
[15:21] <UpuWork> we can set you an hourly up
[15:21] <UpuWork> i.e http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/cambridge/
[15:22] <UpuWork> shows every possibly landing by the hour for the next 7 days
[15:24] <Charl_> That would be interesting
[15:24] <Charl_> How do you go about doing something like that?
[15:24] <UpuWork> pm me an e-mail address and I'll mail you the XML you can fill ing
[15:26] <eroomde> yay xml
[15:26] <eroomde> osx is my favourite
[15:26] <UpuWork> err
[15:26] <UpuWork> json
[15:26] <myself> it's there a live predictor that can take telemetry packets and spit out updated guesses during the flight?
[15:26] <eroomde> let's not have simple .conf files, lets have .plist files which are the same thing but in XML so as to make you want to kill someone
[15:26] <UpuWork> yes its on spacenear.us
[15:27] <Charl_> I'm noob at irc hehe last time I used it was about 10 years ago. How do i pm you. I'm on the web client
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[15:28] <UpuWork> I PM'd you
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[15:31] <BrainDamage> check the osx mouse driver
[15:31] <BrainDamage> it has a custom acceleration curve, binary encoded
[15:32] <BrainDamage> then converted to base 64
[15:32] <eroomde> yes
[15:32] <BrainDamage> and shoved into an xml
[15:32] <eroomde> i wish that would go too
[15:32] <BrainDamage> the only thing worse i ever saw, was a lobby protocol that had bitfields, in decimal numbers, encoded in ascii messages, with a large preamble
[15:33] <BrainDamage> bitfields "for efficiency"
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[15:38] <myself> you work on vehicle and industrial systems too, eh?
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[15:51] <Charl_> Thanks UpuWork, that's awsome
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[15:54] <UpuWork> welcome
[15:54] <UpuWork> home time laters all
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[16:41] <Willdude> I was thinking - why don't we have a UKHAS HF net?
[16:43] <eroomde> because why?
[16:43] <mfa298> probablt as lots of us don't use HF (or can't)
[16:44] <eroomde> we're hammy enough, i think
[16:44] <Willdude> I guess
[16:44] <Willdude> Time to return to my binary search alogrithm. Hoo-ray
[16:44] <eroomde> there are enough people on here who seem to think irc happens at 31baud
[16:45] <eroomde> WHT FRQ YOLO PLS? 73 GRAHAM
[16:45] <craag> Didn't even know his Q-codes lol ;)
[16:46] <mfa298> I think I'm still yet to have a successful contact on HF with my own call sign.
[16:46] <Willdude> eroomde, well, under some circumstances, it might
[16:46] <mfa298> although I've only attempted once or twice.
[16:46] <eroomde> QRG YOLO 73 DAVE
[16:46] <eroomde> GOT BACK PAIN WETHER HR RAIN
[16:46] <eroomde> XYL JOKE
[16:47] Action: craag presents eroomde with the well-earned HF net controller badge
[16:47] <eroomde> thanks
[16:48] <Laurenceb__> lets talk about jeffcott systems instead
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[16:51] <Willdude> eroomde, you don't like hams much do you?
[16:52] <eroomde> what makes you say that?
[16:53] <Willdude> Well, I suppose you are one
[16:53] <Willdude> Not sure
[16:54] <LeoBodnar> callsign does not make person a ham
[16:54] <Willdude> I can tolerate the seven-threes and seventy-threes
[16:54] <mfa298> I'd imagine like most of us eroomde isn't so keen on the stereotypical ham (of which the vast majority of hams seem to be)
[16:54] <eroomde> the ones here are alright
[16:54] <staylo_> Guys, any rough figures on the average ceiling for UMTS / GSM communication is in the UK? I know it's low, but that's the extent of my knowledge :)
[16:54] <eroomde> the self-important old pub-bores, not so much
[16:54] <Willdude> Talking about QRM and stuff is fine, but people tend to just use codes too much
[16:55] <eroomde> staylo_: it's an extremely geographically dependant problem
[16:55] <eroomde> but
[16:55] <craag> staylo_: About 1000-1500m I think
[16:55] <eroomde> i really wouldn't rely on getting anything above a few hundred meters
[16:55] <mfa298> staylo_: at a guess you'll probably struggle to get anything above ~1km and potentially also when flat on the ground
[16:55] <Willdude> I'm really not particularly opinionated - if someone is self-important, it takes me a while to realise
[16:56] <staylo_> That sounds consistent with what I've heard. Thanks :)
[16:57] <eroomde> essentially, i don't understand the desire to not experiment and try new things
[16:57] <eroomde> doing the same old thing daily seems pointless
[16:57] <craag> eroomde: But you can buy a 6000 pound radio that has a colour screen for talking to your mates on SSB!
[16:57] <eroomde> talking on the local fm repeater insessantly about car routes, back and and 'the problem with immigrants' is not a thing that i understand
[16:57] <Willdude> This program is a pain to diagnose, because it sort of works sometimes.
[16:58] <eroomde> and then complaining when other people with a license upset your status quo by trying to do something new
[16:58] <mfa298> Willdude: apply standard debugging principles - Work out what it should do on paper and add print statements to help confirm if that's the case.
[16:59] <Willdude> mfa298, I'd rather try and get to grips with gdb tbh
[16:59] <eroomde> it also suffers from the same thing that lots of amateur organizations do, which is it seems to be magnetic to people who havn't really got what they think they're owed out of theuir professional life, or whatever, and start throwing their weight around on the amateur side
[16:59] <eroomde> the people that find a small pond in which they'd like to be the big fish
[17:00] <eroomde> there isn't the natural correctional mechanism there, that there is in business, to get rid of them
[17:00] <mfa298> Willdude: for what you're doing print statements are likely to be much more useful and efficient.
[17:00] <eroomde> i've had a bit of involvement with amateur rocketry and the same problems exist there, and it's deeply offputting
[17:00] <eroomde> i just get on with my own stuff as it's not worth the hassle of doing it with them
[17:01] <Willdude> mfa298, Oky
[17:01] <mfa298> eroomde: it could be interesting to apply a simple test to renewing the amateur license - along the lines of a simple question: What useful thing have you acheived with AR in the last 5 years
[17:01] <eroomde> and i've also been quite vocally against any indication of that in ukhas, where people start to have a sentiment along the lines of 'these people shouldn't be doing hab without telling us!' when we find some uk group that we don't know in the newspaper (or whatever)
[17:02] <Willdude> eroomde, well, it's really up to them.
[17:02] <eroomde> it exists in UKRA certainly
[17:03] <Willdude> For all we know they might have came in here, idled and found the aforementioned people to be annoying and therefore chose to do it on their own
[17:03] <eroomde> that's my point
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[17:03] <eroomde> our way of doing things isn't sacred
[17:04] <eroomde> i like it, it's decent and people enjoy it
[17:04] <eroomde> but in any kind of absolute engineering scale, it's not that sophisticated
[17:04] <eroomde> and we want to avoid telling them 'you don't wanna be doing it like that'
[17:05] <eroomde> especially when the person saying it often doesn't understand the engineering principles well enough to make that call
[17:05] <eroomde> anyway
[17:05] <eroomde> /rant
[17:05] <eroomde> just need to be watching of this side of things
[17:05] <eroomde> watchful*
[17:05] <mfa298> I think there is a difference in saying that people must be doing it the ukhas way (defintely wrong) and saying it might have been good to visit us and find out how it can be done.
[17:05] <mfa298> athough the latter can become the former if we're not careful.
[17:06] <eroomde> indeed
[17:06] <eroomde> it's basically fine here
[17:06] <craag> In the UK I think you
[17:06] <craag> oops wrong window
[17:07] <mfa298> but that's the difference of enforcing a method on people and informing people of the options available and let them make up their own mind (if they look at the options and decide a phone doing sms is fine then so be it)
[17:08] <mfa298> ham (and from the little I've seen of UKRA) seem to edge into the former (although in the case of UKRA I can see there are some reasons for it - the dreaded elf & safety)
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[17:13] <eroomde> i'm not convinced that it's all actually for H&S
[17:14] <eroomde> i've definitely had stupid situations where someone has said we mustn't angle the launch rail in a certain direction because there's a village downrange
[17:14] <mfa298> people seem to like blaming a lot on H&S when it's not really
[17:14] <eroomde> even though it's provably impossible for the rocket to get there in in a tail wind and coming off the rail at the optimate angle for downrange
[17:15] <eroomde> and let alone the fact we were angleing the rocket into the wind anyway
[17:15] <eroomde> all very confused
[17:15] <Willdude> Rockets seem like a waste of £2k
[17:17] <eroomde> that sentence doesn't mean anything
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[17:21] <Willdude> eroomde, well, I admit I made that up as a guesstimate.
[17:21] <Willdude> Do they do anything useful there?
[17:22] <eroomde> depends on whether or not you're learning i guess!
[17:22] <eroomde> it's what i was saying earlier
[17:22] <eroomde> if you just make the same old contacts or fly the same old rocket time after time then what's the point?
[17:22] <mfa298> why would you spend several hundred/thousand on HF radios, Tuners, Antennas etc.
[17:23] <Willdude> mfa298 I thought you purchased an expensive hf radio at some point
[17:23] <mfa298> It was mostly a rhetorical question.
[17:24] <mfa298> People spend money on hobbies because they get some enjoyment.
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[17:24] <keydash> hello
[17:25] <gonzo_nb> hello
[17:25] <keydash> one question
[17:25] <keydash> my tracker is also done, just i need to set a connector on ntx2 to the quarter wave external antennal
[17:25] <mfa298> I've spent a fair bit on radio stuff because there are aspects of the hobby I enjoy. I also spend money on reasonable audio kit and bits of IT stuff again because I enjoy using. Others will spend money on rockets as they enjoy that.
[17:25] <keydash> can i sold directly to the pin the wire that ends to a PAL connector ?
[17:25] <gonzo_nb> or beer or cars
[17:26] <gonzo_nb> keydash, you could solder coax directly to tye ntx2
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[17:26] <gonzo_nb> or use a small pcb connector. I have used a pcb mount sma on mine.
[17:27] <mfa298> keydash: depending on what you mean by a PAL connector you might be better solderign to the ntx2 or using a better connector
[17:27] <keydash> i need a conenctor because i dind't make the payload yet
[17:27] <keydash> dunno the length of wire i'll need
[17:27] <gonzo_nb> but I prefer to solder the antenna elements directly to the ntx (as I only use thin wire)
[17:28] <mfa298> keydash: if by PAL connector you mean one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_aerial_plug don't use that, get somethign like an SMA or BNC
[17:28] <gonzo_nb> I use some thin stranded hookup cable for the antenna elements and solder all directly to the NTX. no connectors or coax to have problems with
[17:28] <keydash> i meant that
[17:28] <gonzo_nb> I only ise connectprs for test stuff on the bench
[17:29] <keydash> well,
[17:29] <mfa298> stay away from those plugs they're horrible (along with the cable they normally come with)
[17:29] <keydash> i'll take the advice
[17:29] <mattbrejza> main reason being theyll fall apart if youre unlucky
[17:30] <Willdude> mfa298, I discovered my sorting algorithm to be broken
[17:30] <gonzo_nb> as is your english today
[17:30] <keydash> so i can sold think cable to the ntx2 and then sold there the antenna elements?
[17:31] <gonzo_nb> you could. or don't use coax at all
[17:31] <mfa298> I think some of the Low Loss UHF (TV) cable I've had is more lossy than a wet piece of string!
[17:31] <gonzo_nb> payloads are usually so small that there is no reason to use coax
[17:32] <keydash> the i set one wire to rf pin and another to fr gnd pin?
[17:32] <keydash> *rf gnd pin
[17:32] <gonzo_nb> if you are using a ground plane antenna, you can solder the grouind wires to the metal can of the ntx
[17:32] <Willdude> gonzo_nb, my English is fine, more or less
[17:33] <gonzo_nb> and the antenna element to the RF pin/pad
[17:33] <keydash> ok
[17:33] <gonzo_nb> Willdude, probably not as broken as my typing
[17:33] <keydash> then i think i will sold 2 wires to that pins and then sold onto those wires the final antenna
[17:33] <keydash> if i do that i can finish my tracker device
[17:34] <gonzo_nb> keydash, take care soldering coax, as it is easy to melt the dielectric and cause a short circuit
[17:35] <keydash> ill sold the coax to the wires
[17:35] <gonzo_nb> when testing, I don't use an antenna at all. Only add one for the flight hardware
[17:35] <keydash> right now im not using aa antenna
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[17:36] <keydash> but i wan to set the pcb along the arduino, in order to not to sold there anything more
[17:36] <keydash> just sold to o external wires or something like that
[17:39] <Willdude> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZQPjUT5B4&feature=youtu.be
[17:45] <eroomde> don't know why people bother doing CS degrees really
[17:45] <eroomde> when they have that
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[17:48] <arko> agreed
[17:48] <arko> best programmers ive met dropped out of college
[17:49] <eroomde> arko: if you played the fiddle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRi-Pkvuxqg
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[17:50] <arko> nice, i can appricate the instrument
[17:51] <fsphil> yikes
[17:51] <fsphil> that looks like arko in a few years time
[17:51] <eroomde> and a few beers time
[17:51] <fsphil> lol
[17:51] <fsphil> well I've a violin in the attic, I'll bring it over for the conference. I can even buy some beers....
[17:51] <arko> hahahaha
[17:51] <eroomde> he can certainly play
[17:52] <arko> fsphil: get me drunk enough and i'll play the violin teribly
[17:52] <fsphil> it's very easy to make noise with it. just not the noise anyone would want to hear
[17:52] <arko> terribly
[17:52] <arko> ecen
[17:52] <arko> even
[17:52] <arko> screw typing today
[17:53] <eroomde> do the gently mohak thing
[17:53] <eroomde> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqAm7V8KmzE
[17:53] <fsphil> better looking violinst, with zombies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dfZ9BXaNyE
[17:53] <arko> i was once told i look like Bob Denver from Gilligans Island
[17:54] <arko> http://us-resp-media.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/2libcpkl6pr7nf_o.jpg
[17:54] <arko> give him glasses and maybe
[17:54] <arko> eroomde: this music is awesome
[18:00] <Willdude> eroomde, cs degrees seem meh. I mean if you are going to do programming, why learn it at college/uni?
[18:00] <Willdude> So my bubble sort was only going through the array once.
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> Willdude: Sometimes you need the paper to get employment.
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> Also - self-taught risks massive knowledge gaps.
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> At least in principle, that shouldn't be the case with a 'proper' CS education.
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> For example, you should be taught about algorithmic complexity and order to some degree.
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[18:10] <gonzo_nb> most people I work with have eng degrees of some type. Not sure how many are cs
[18:14] <mfa298> Willdude: I've regularly commented that I've used very little of what I learnt at Uni in a day job. But Uni gave the opertunity to experience lots of things
[18:15] <Willdude> mfa298 like drinking games?
[18:15] <mfa298> + ability to buy old computers (486's at the time) meaning I could play around with systems and networks.
[18:16] <arko> www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload
[18:16] <arko> neat tthis went live
[18:16] <arko> how do they not have auto exposure i dont know
[18:17] <arko> or its focused on something else
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[18:20] <mfa298> arko: some of those comments on there need witty replies: e.g. So no audio on this channel?
[18:20] <arko> >_<
[18:23] <mfa298> Willdude: I think some of the courses you've looked at are effectively modules from CS courses. Doing them at Uni just means you get to do them full time rather than many years worth of doing it in the evenings + you'll also come across things you've not thought about or don't realise would be of use (things like how to design good ui's etc.)
[18:27] <adamgreig> also just being at uni is a great thing
[18:27] <adamgreig> having a degree ends up being useful too, but there's more than just the knowledge being available
[18:27] <adamgreig> being taught it and made to apply it and use it and talk about it and interact with people is all good stuff
[18:29] <mfa298> plus all the other interesting stuff you can get to do. So many things you can get interested in that you can't do elsewhere.
[18:30] <mfa298> I think there's at least three people often in this channel that can operate 35mm cinema projectors due to time at Uni - although 35mm is a dying form of cinema :(
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[18:43] <arko> http://www.spaceflight101.com/hdev.html
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[18:56] <json34> I will launch it with a pico balloon
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[19:01] <Willdude123_> mfa298, interesting
[19:02] <craag> I'm graduating this year
[19:02] <craag> And my first thought was - I'll have so much time in the evenings to go to all the uni clubs that I've been wanting to for ages!
[19:03] <craag> Then realised I wouldn't be at uni and was all :(
[19:06] <Willdude123_> Heh
[19:06] <Willdude123_> I was actually thinking of doing CS/electronics at Uni. Probably won't get good enough grades
[19:07] <craag> +1 for Electronics ;)
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[19:07] <mfa298> I wouldn't recommend a CS + Electronics mix (although I'm not sure many places even offer that now)
[19:07] <craag> Yeah one or the other.
[19:08] <mikestir> My EE course still covered computer architectures and stuff like operating system theory
[19:09] <craag> Yep, I'm doing Computer Architecture, and Realtime Systems this semester.
[19:09] <craag> It's a CS module
[19:09] <craag> (both are)
[19:09] <craag> but are offered to EE students too
[19:09] <gonzo_nb> joint degrees, each dept thinks you should be doing moreof their side, so it's s deg and a half oif work
[19:09] <mfa298> I got computer architecture from both angles from a mixed course. But then various other random bits but not all the required background or using the skills enough to really understand them
[19:10] <Willdude123_> Not sure I'll end up with good enough grades to do stuff I like
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[19:10] <mfa298> I did an AI module that had a prereq of prolog but we never had the chance of learning prolog in the mixed degree.
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[19:12] <mfa298> Willdude123_: half the trick to doing well is the right attitude to doing the work. If it's something you want to do and believe you can do well that's worth part of the marks (purely as it helps motivate you to do the work required)
[19:13] <gonzo_nb> having an interest in the subject to start with helps too. as you proibably have some overall framework to hang all the new knowledge on
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[19:13] <Willdude123_> mfa298, I used to think like that but then it sort of fell apart, and now I don't and I can't get back in to the cycle of being interested in stuff
[19:14] <gonzo_nb> you sound like you've just turned 40!
[19:15] <gonzo_nb> leave the old and synical to those of us who are qualified to be
[19:16] <mfa298> next you'll be moaning about aches, pains and hemarroids
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[19:23] <Willdude123_> School is really bad at the moment though, and I don't know if I can do anything about it.
[19:27] <mfa298> college and Uni probaly get better as your doing the things your interested in rather than a whole lot of things some of which you dont like
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> yea that is ture
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> ture
[19:31] <Willdude123_> I still don't really try in the subjects I like
[19:32] <mikestir> mfa298: like drinking :)
[19:41] <mfa298> possibly not so much drinking at college (at least not alcohol)
[19:44] <amell> Uni? I spent most of my time there in the bar getting slaughtered
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[19:48] <amell> eroomde: whats the problem with UKRA? the people ive met seem pretty laid back. Maybe its chilled a bit since you were involved
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[19:59] <eroomde> amell: i knew everyone in the council
[19:59] <eroomde> so
[19:59] <eroomde> there you go
[19:59] <amell> who caused problems ?:)
[19:59] <eroomde> this venue is much too public
[19:59] <eroomde> but it was like the sopranos
[20:00] <amell> reverting to PM.
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[20:00] <eroomde> still not going to bitch
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[20:01] <g0pai_ian> eroomde: Weather is fine, with you were here. In a post box on top of a hill on Ascension Island was the tag to a girlfriend: Weather here, wish you were fine!
[20:01] <g0pai_ian> Willdude: lack of a university degree will limit your ceiling on life. Stick in and go places.
[20:02] <eroomde> see IOTA i have no objection to (not that it matters what i think anyway)
[20:02] <eroomde> trying to explore new islands that are hard to get to is good fun
[20:02] <g0pai_ian> Sadly I have a sked to keep!
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[20:03] <g0pai_ian> Don't think that it's haemoroids this evening though :)
[20:04] <eroomde> well i'll continue my mass-offense-causing-through-generalizations later
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[20:24] <Laurenceb_> lol
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> interesting handle
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> does anyone know if its possible to disable AGC on a line in port on a macbook?
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> or is there even any AGC?
[20:25] <adamgreig> it has AGC?
[20:25] <adamgreig> I wouldn't expect it to have any AGC - it has manual gain control on the volume settings
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> ah ok
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[21:08] <gonzo_> g0pai_ian, I gave a HAB talk to a local club last year. My 13yo daughter was with me, and just hid at the back playing on her phone. A couple of old boys sat near her and started talking about doctors apptmts and haemoroids. She was horrified,
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[21:39] <g0pai_ian> g0nzo_I, can imagine. I remember walking down a street in Kuala Lumpur and looking at the window display in a local medical shop. it put me off eating bean sprouts for a while, I can tell you.
[21:39] <gonzo_> nice!
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[21:44] <amell> Laurenceb_: do you know what landing speed one should aim for with a rocket?
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[22:01] <Laurenceb_> amell: lulwut
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> ask mr musk
[22:02] <amell> mr musk would say zero. lol
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[22:49] <tweetBot> @daveake: @fsphil 's SSDV software appeared on Channel4 tonight, showing images sent from near space by a #raspberrypi #UKHAS http://t.co/DyO5r3MOdq
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