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[00:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> must be some tropo to SP, allready hearing SP3OSJ
[00:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tropo down again, gn
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[00:45] <tom149> hey all
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[03:38] <vk3jed> Afternoon
[03:43] <beingaware> vk4 checking in :)
[03:43] <vk3jed> Haven't seen any sigh of the guys in Melb yet
[03:43] <beingaware> there is one that pops into ##hamradio from time to time
[03:43] <vk3jed> Got one Rx monitoring, the other will come online once I've finished recording a podcast at 2 :)
[03:44] <beingaware> there is 3 vk4 guys and 1 vk5
[03:44] <vk3jed> Talking about the guys doing the launch
[03:44] <beingaware> arh
[03:44] <vk3jed> Launching sometime around 2-3 this arvo near Melb
[03:45] <vk3jed> Got an email from Andy in the last day or 2 about it, so here I am ;)
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[04:10] <vk3jed> Ok, all set, 2 Rx waiting for the balloon :)
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[04:15] <vk3jed> Hey andy_vk3yt
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[04:17] <andy_vk3yt> hi tony
[04:17] <andy_vk3yt> balloon away
[04:18] <vk3jed> Cool
[04:18] <vk3jed> What's your dial free?
[04:18] <vk3jed> Freq
[04:19] <andy_vk3yt> 434.648
[04:20] <vk3jed> And the tone freq?
[04:20] <andy_vk3yt> low tone is around 1100
[04:20] <andy_vk3yt> +425 for hi
[04:21] <vk3jed> K not seeing anything yet
[04:22] <andy_vk3yt> 866m
[04:22] <VK2FAK> listening up here Andy.... good luck
[04:22] <andy_vk3yt> thanks John
[04:25] <vk3jed> Nothing yet :(
[04:26] <vk4mdx> launched
[04:27] <vk3jed> Running 2receivers here today
[04:27] <andy_vk3yt> i am driving back will be off line for a few mins
[04:27] <vk3jed> K
[04:36] <vk3jed> Anyone receiving PS?
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[04:50] <vk3pb> hi anyone here?
[04:51] <vk3jed> Hi vk3pb
[04:51] <vk3pb> Hi Tony
[04:52] <vk3jed> How's things?
[04:52] <vk3pb> Just watching vk3Yt's ballon launch
[04:52] <vk3jed> Is it me? Or is the balloon freq extremely unstable?
[04:53] <vk3jed> You receiving anything?
[04:54] <vk3pb> Havent listened myself, just watching the map
[04:54] <vk3pb> will tune in now
[04:54] <vk3jed> Ok
[04:54] <vk3jed> I've got 2 receivers running here
[04:55] <vk3pb> ok now listening on 434.650, my setup is not ideal
[04:55] <vk3jed> And both are showing extreme frequency instability
[04:55] <vk3pb> using a 2m antenna on 70cm
[04:55] <vk3jed> Try 438.648-649 dial
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[04:56] <vk3pb> not hearing anything
[04:56] <vk3jed> Wherevr u..
[04:56] <vk3jed> Where r u?
[04:56] <vk3pb> boronia
[04:57] <vk3pb> listening on 438.650
[04:57] <vk3pb> on my alinco dr-150t
[04:57] <vk3jed> K
[04:57] <vk3pb> is this fm?
[04:57] <vk3jed> No SSB
[04:57] <vk3pb> aha
[04:57] <Veranderon> TRY 434.648
[04:58] <vk3jed> Well it's actually RTTY, need SSB and dl-fldigi to decode it
[04:58] <Veranderon> Signal varying wildly. Thermal variation I guess.
[04:58] <vk3pb> I only have a fm and am receiver and only in 5 khz steps
[04:59] <vk3jed> You getting the instability too Veranderon ?
[04:59] <vk3jed> I'm not getting clean decodes, AFC can't track the wild shifts :(
[05:00] <Veranderon> Yes, just like last time.. Hopefully it will stabilise
[05:00] <vk3jed> Hope so
[05:00] <Veranderon> I thik it sorted itselfout around 3000M
[05:00] <vk3jed> K
[05:00] <x-f> try widening the filter bandwidth perhaps
[05:01] <Veranderon> x-f, @500 already... whats yours?
[05:01] <vk3jed> It's wild, sudden shifts up to 300 hz
[05:01] <x-f> Veranderon, i'm in Europe :)
[05:02] <Veranderon> x-f, Alrighty Then :)
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[05:03] <vk3jed> Hmm wider bandwidth not doing much
[05:03] <Veranderon> Sounds like a 1960 Sci Fi recording...
[05:04] <vk3jed> Lol
[05:04] <Veranderon> changed from beam to vertical. No detectable change
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[05:05] <vk3pb> does the spacenear page automatically update itself or do you need to refresh all the time?
[05:05] <vk3jed> Auto updates
[05:06] <vk3jed> I'd say no one's getting decodes
[05:06] <Veranderon> Thais is what Im getting; $$ 003,04:42:12,-37.6757,144.8730,2146,16.66,11,3,26,1515,1*7F8E
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[05:06] <vk3jed> I'm getting bits and pieces
[05:06] <Veranderon> It maybe showing as red, but the data is getting through. This happened before.
[05:07] <vk3jed> What settings you using Veranderon ?
[05:08] <vk3pb> thanks
[05:09] <Veranderon> Carrier shift 425, 100, 8-N-1. Medium sync interpolation, bandwidth now at 502
[05:10] <vk3jed> Ahh k
[05:10] <Veranderon> is VK3KCX Here?
[05:11] <Veranderon> Signal width now 900Hz
[05:12] <vk3pb> for aprs tracking what freq does the balloon transmit on, and what mode?
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[05:13] <vk3jed> I can't get a clean decode :(
[05:14] <vk3jed> The drift is killing it
[05:15] <Veranderon> vk3pb,http://aprs.fi/#!lat=-27.00000&lng=133.00000 Im not sure of the payloads APRS callsign. someone else may know.
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[05:15] <VK2FAK> APRS 145.175 FM
[05:15] <Veranderon> anmd there is the freq :)
[05:15] <vk3pb> cool ill listen there
[05:16] <Veranderon> andy_vk3yt,`You listening here Andy?
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[05:18] <Veranderon> Signal strength down from S8 to S1....some QSB
[05:19] <andy_vk3yt> just got back
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[05:19] <vk3bq> hi asl..
[05:20] <vk3bq> sorry, old irc habits, hard to break,
[05:20] <vk3bq> whats up with the frequency drifting? (rtty)
[05:20] <vk3jed> Wb andy_vk3yt
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[05:20] <andy_vk3yt> not sure Tony, could be a dud TCXO. i had to compensate 5khz
[05:20] <vk3bq> its doing odd drifting see http://youtu.be/Guyf-RU6Hg0
[05:21] <vk3jed> It's drifting wildly
[05:21] <vk3jed> Can't get a clean decode
[05:22] <vk3bq> 22:02,-37.5488,145162,4964,34.34,12,3,24,1487,1*D99F
[05:22] <vk3jed> Ooooh, finally got a clean decode!!!
[05:24] <andy_vk3yt> me too!
[05:24] <Veranderon> $$PS,213,05:23:46,-37.5321,145.5503,5043,34.36,12,3,25,1434,1*5874
[05:24] <vk3bq> $$PS,213,05:23:46,-37.5321,145.5503,5043,34.36,12,3,25,1434,1*5874
[05:24] <vk3bq> me too finally a decode
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[05:25] <andy_vk3yt> aprs is doing ok, i guess the burst is short enough
[05:25] <VK2FAK> Andy, you know slow is good right, 122km/h geez....Hi Hi
[05:26] <vk3jed> I haven't got après setup here :(
[05:27] <andy_vk3yt> sorry guys, thought it was going to be a walk in the park :)
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[05:28] <vk3jed> Well, it almost looks like there's some stray DC coupling in the Tx, the drift is consistently repeating and the overall stability is otherwise good, not having to change VFO settings at all
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[05:31] <VK2FAK> do a quick search for software Direwolf, you can use that for APRS
[05:32] <vk3bq> back later, painting the house, wifey is giving me that look of "do not continue to play radios"
[05:32] <Veranderon> So...who wants a Tim Tam?
[05:33] <vk3jed> Ok
[05:37] <Veranderon> Getting the "Payload telemetry upload successful" message, but red in thre box... oh well, as long as it sends I guess
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[05:39] <Veranderon> $$PS,254,05:39:28,-37.3852,145.8393,6069,31.38,10,3,19,1450,1*7991
[05:40] <x-f> that one server accepted
[05:41] <Veranderon> $$PS,257,05:40:35,-37.3747,145.8593,6149,31.91,11,3,20,1434,1*4610
[05:41] <x-f> you can see what's happening here - http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[05:41] <vk3bki> ?
[05:41] <Veranderon> yep.. seems to be no difference... some work and some dont...
[05:42] <Veranderon> x-f, cool.. thanks
[05:42] <Veranderon> $$PS,260,05:41:42,-37.3640,145.8790,6222,31.31,11,3,18,1434,1*DE5B
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[05:43] <vk3jed> Wb andy
[05:44] <Veranderon> $$PS,267,05:44:10,-37.3396,145.9219,6342,31.64,12,3,18,499,1*C894 almost
[05:45] <vk4mdx> from aprs.fi Last path: VK3YT-11>SW27Y8 via WIDE2-1,qAR,VK3VHF-1 (seriously-bad) This station appears to be flying at high altitude and using digipeaters, which causes serious congestion in the APRS network. The tracker should be configured to only use digipeaters when at low altitude.
[05:46] <Veranderon> $$PS,273,05:46:24,-37.3181,145.9603,6457,31.18,13,3,17,1430,1*F6A8
[05:46] <andy_vk3yt> is that a green Wayne?
[05:47] <Veranderon> yep...good one
[05:47] <andy_vk3yt> nice!
[05:47] <Veranderon> $$PS,273,05:46:24,-37.3181,145.9603,6457,31.18,13,3,17,1430,1*F6A8 green
[05:47] <andy_vk3yt> is the fading better?
[05:47] <Veranderon> $$PS,275,05:47:26,-37.3083,145.9784,6533,31.35,13,3,17,1458,1*8D85 green
[05:49] <Veranderon> stability now leveling out. drift narrowing. Will give bandwidth on next pass.
[05:49] <Veranderon> $$PS,279,05:48:47,-37.2958,146.0025,6606,31.58,12,3,16,1430,1*51C0 green
[05:49] <andy_vk3yt> vk4mdx: one hop for WIDE2 is generally acceptable
[05:50] <Veranderon> down to about 850 hz
[05:51] <vk4mdx> vk3yt, just letting you know that according to aprs.fi the path is "seriously bad"
[05:51] <Veranderon> back up to wild drift. 1200 Hz +
[05:52] <vk3jed> How often is the après beaconing?
[05:52] <andy_vk3yt> about 8 minutes
[05:52] <vk3jed> K
[05:53] <vk3jed> I'm receiving the local digi
[05:53] <andy_vk3yt> cool
[05:54] <vk3jed> Just have to fashion it all into a working system lol
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[05:56] <Veranderon> $$PS,298,05:56:17,-37.2344,146.1351,6818,30.47,12,3,17,1499,1*BA0A
[05:56] <Veranderon> green
[05:57] <Veranderon> $$PS,300,05:56:45,-37.2307,146.1435,6829,30.49,13,3,18,1471,1*B5C8 green
[05:57] <vk3jed> Getting green too
[05:58] <vk3bki> i see a blue circle and a green circle on spacenear. What significance, i assume blue is radio horizon?
[05:58] <vk3jed> Yep
[05:59] <x-f> and green is 5 degrees above horizon
[05:59] <vk3bki> thanks
[06:00] <Veranderon> $$PS,308,05:59:52,-37.2074,146.1989,6823,29.20,12,3,17,1430,1*9D83 green
[06:00] <vk3jed> Decodes getting better now
[06:01] <vk3bki> I put the first balloon ever in VK mannnny years ago. the only telemetry was a variable oscillator that varied with temp, so we could calculate height. Its a bit different today :-)
[06:01] <vk3jed> Oops that one was wild
[06:01] <Veranderon> yes Jed.. stop jinxing it...;)
[06:01] <vk3jed> That the EMDRC balloon that we fox hunted? ;)
[06:02] <vk3bki> certainly was
[06:02] <Veranderon> $$PS,312,06:01:13,-37.1974,146.2226,6879,29.56,11,3,18,1430,1*ADC7 green
[06:02] <vk3jed> That was a fun day out, was on that hunt
[06:03] <vk3bki> Yes i remember you. I rained a lot ..
[06:03] <vk3jed> Yeah it was wet
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[06:03] <vk3jed> Just received a packet from the balloon. What's people using to report the position?
[06:05] <Veranderon> Carrier Pigeon?
[06:05] <vk3jed> Lol
[06:05] <Veranderon> $$PS,322,06:05:22,-37.1664,146.2965,6973,29.19,13,3,14,1442,1*2C19 green
[06:05] <Veranderon> $$PS,323,06:05:36,-37.1647,146.3006,6974,29.17,12,3,14,1430,1*ABD9 green
[06:06] <Veranderon> $$PS,324,06:05:50,-37.1630,146.3047,6974,29.00,13,3,15,1471,1*673C green
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[06:07] <Veranderon> $$PS,326,06:06:43,-37.1565,146.3200,6982,28.95,13,3,14,1430,1*9DFD green
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[06:07] <Veranderon> $$PS,327,06:06:57,-37.1548,146.3240,6986,28.87,13,3,15,1479,1*917E green
[06:07] <vk3bq> some moe decodes
[06:07] <Veranderon> vk3bq, Why arent you painting?
[06:08] <Veranderon> $$PS,329,06:07:50,-37.1483,146.3393,7001,29.17,13,3,16,1442,1*2F18 green
[06:08] <vk3jed> The ft-736R with V2000 is working best, suspect feed line length is the difference
[06:08] <vk3jed> Not got both my calls reporting lol
[06:08] <Veranderon> $$PS,329,06:07:50,-37.1483,146.3393,7001,29.17,13,3,16,1442,1*2F18 green
[06:11] <vk3bq> that was a batch of good decodes
[06:11] <vk3jed> Yeah
[06:11] <vk3jed> That last one was a dud
[06:12] <vk3bq> someone just keyed up over it
[06:12] <vk3bq> carrier
[06:12] <vk3jed> Not here
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[06:12] <vk3jed> It went wild again
[06:12] <Veranderon> signal strength has dropped dramaticaly here... almost gone
[06:12] <vk3jed> Good one just now
[06:12] <vk3jed> Uruk totally lost lock
[06:13] <vk3jed> Still solid here
[06:13] <Veranderon> Was that MH370??
[06:13] <vk3jed> Lol
[06:14] <vk3bq> don't mention the war
[06:14] <vk3jed> Lol
[06:14] <vk3bq> are you still in bendigo tony
[06:14] <vk3jed> Yep
[06:14] <Veranderon> dont mention house painting?
[06:14] <vk3bq> no
[06:14] <vk3bq> or she will roll her eyes
[06:15] <vk3bq> back to the painting, (getting good decodes now)
[06:15] <vk3bki> how does nearspace predict burst point? i have two targets from the same balloon with about a minute difference reporting time and huuuuge difference in burst point?
[06:15] <Veranderon> just give her the "My mod life crisis will not involve you " look back
[06:15] <Veranderon> *Mid
[06:15] <vk3jed> Xtsl ball? ;)
[06:15] <vk3jed> Lol
[06:15] <vk3bq> I'm not old enough for a mid life crisis :(
[06:15] <Veranderon> .25 then
[06:16] <vk3jed> Hmm, a young un in here? :P
[06:16] <vk3pb> hi again
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[06:16] <Veranderon> 'allo
[06:16] <vk3jed> Him pb
[06:16] <vk3jed> Hi
[06:16] <vk3pb> got my tracking software going but nothing received directly from the balloon
[06:17] <vk3jed> Ok, what mode you tracking?
[06:17] <vk3pb> id liek to do one of these small balloon lifts myself
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[06:17] <vk3pb> where can you get a kit for the tracker?
[06:17] <vk3pb> im tracking aprs on 147.175
[06:17] <vk3bq> you were old when i first met you tony, i was in shorts
[06:17] <Veranderon> $$PS,269,05:45:03,-37.3309,145.9370,6379,31.02,12,3,18,1499,1*EEB6 almost.. a kind of dark reddish green
[06:18] <vk3jed> Lol
[06:18] <Veranderon> $$PS,270,05:45:17,-37.3287,145.9410,6390,31.20,12,3,18,1479,1*28E1 close
[06:18] <vk3jed> Ok, I'm tracking both modes
[06:18] <vk3jed> Just had a packet now on aprs
[06:18] <Veranderon> your a legend in your own lunch box there Jed
[06:19] <vk3jed> Lol
[06:19] <vk3bq> he was
[06:19] <vk3bq> with his old dial up BBS
[06:19] <vk3jed> That's going back lol
[06:19] <Veranderon> I had one of those..last century
[06:20] <Veranderon> ok, getting some doppler now.. very weak.. but seems to be more stab;e
[06:20] <vk3jed> Just switched from après to RTTY, getting decodes on both boxes now
[06:20] <vk3pb> sorry to ask again but where can one get a kit to make a tracker like Andy has?
[06:20] <vk3bq> not spinning as much maybe? since its settled down on accent rate?
[06:21] <VK3ETC> +1 would like to know too
[06:21] <vk3bq> another carrier
[06:21] <Veranderon> $$PS,273,05:46:24,-37.3181,145.9603,6457,31.18,13,3,17,1430,1*F6A8 orangeish
[06:21] <vk3jed> Ask andy_vk3yt ;)
[06:21] <vk3pb> i have. he said he made it himself
[06:21] <vk3jed> Ahh love the quiet airwaves out here ;)
[06:21] <vk3jed> K
[06:21] <vk3bq> bumpkin..
[06:21] <vk3pb> but i want something off the shelf liek a kit
[06:21] <vk3jed> No carrier droppers lol
[06:22] <vk3bq> both types of music tony
[06:22] <vk3bq> country AND western
[06:22] <vk3jed> Lol
[06:22] <Veranderon> $$PS,276,05:47:4-37.3062,145.9826,6550,31.48,13,3,18,1479,1*2380 puce
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[06:24] <vk3bq> more good ones
[06:24] <vk3jed> Cool
[06:25] <Veranderon> Almost gone.....
[06:26] <vk3jed> Still solid here
[06:26] <vk3jed> Except when the freq shifts wildly lol
[06:29] <andy_vk3yt> vk3pb: Hi Peter
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[06:29] <vk3jed> Well, despite the Wobblies, can chalk this up as a success
[06:30] <vk3pb> hi Andy
[06:30] <vk3pb> I want to build one of these!
[06:30] <vk3jed> Got the beginnings of an APRS station, have to work out how to report packets to space near.us :)
[06:30] <vk3pb> do you know of any kits?
[06:31] <andy_vk3yt> not that I know of Peter
[06:31] <vk3pb> you should offer a kit
[06:31] <VK3ETC> will need to get more into this, Andy I have sent your past flights to the attention of the comittee of the NERG in greensborough. we're interested if you wer interested on doing a presentation for us?
[06:32] <andy_vk3yt> I can't sort out my own probe Peter :)
[06:32] <vk3jed> Lol
[06:32] <vk3pb> seems tobe working ok
[06:32] <Veranderon> Ok, Im out. Not enough signal to decode. Must go and chase the cows before dark. Have fun all.
[06:32] <vk3pb> will teh balloon switch to 145.800 at some point?
[06:33] <vk3jed> K Veranderon
[06:33] <Veranderon> andy_vk3yt, Do you want this IRC log?
[06:33] <vk3jed> Have fun, still solid here
[06:33] <Veranderon> Mooo
[06:33] <andy_vk3yt> VK3ETC: I am more than happy to help, but the projectspaceballoon guys might be a better suited
[06:33] <vk3jed> Where are u Veranderon ?
[06:33] <andy_vk3yt> Wayne: no need Wayne, my screen is on
[06:33] <Veranderon> On a small planet somewhere in the vicinity of Beltelguese\
[06:34] <vk3jed> Lol
[06:34] <andy_vk3yt> Thanks Wayne
[06:34] <Veranderon> Cheers all...Woof Woof
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[06:34] <vk3pb> will teh balloon switch to 145.800 at some point?
[06:34] <VK3ETC> andy_vk3yt no worries, just thought since you are a melbourneite it would be better suited
[06:34] <andy_vk3yt> vk3pb: it will switch to NZ APRS frequency if outside of Aus, but this one won't make it there
[06:35] <vk3pb> if you switched to 145.800 instead the iss might track it wherever it is
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[06:36] <andy_vk3yt> previous flight was testing ISS, the conclusion is it will not work with 10mW and a vertical dipole
[06:37] <jcoxon> andy_vk3yt, i've done a few experiements with ISS and balloons
[06:37] <jcoxon> came ot the conclusion going to need 4-5W
[06:38] <jcoxon> which is sad because it would be so cool to do balloon-iss-ground
[06:38] <andy_vk3yt> OK for you guys in EU but in Australia we have the footprint prob as well
[06:39] <andy_vk3yt> there might not be a RX station in the footprint at the time of the pass over the ocean
[06:39] <vk3pb> Have you thought of using the balloon as the aerial? It would be conductive would it not?
[06:39] <andy_vk3yt> No Peter
[06:40] <vk3pb> a little siver paint...
[06:40] <vk3pb> silver
[06:40] <daveake> won't work - the balloon expands and the paint will break or fall off
[06:40] <jcoxon> andy_vk3yt, yeah, but in the EU the footprint covers too much and so gets quite saturated
[06:40] <vk3pb> hmmm
[06:40] <jcoxon> oh well
[06:40] <daveake> plus you kinda want an aerial to stay the same size ...
[06:40] <jcoxon> once day we'll get a hab tracking cubesat
[06:41] <vk3pb> woudl be cool do so sstv from a pico ballon. i wonder if its possible?
[06:41] <andy_vk3yt> last flight over the 2000km from south to north the balloon only get within the range of the ISS with greater than 20 degree elevation once, over 30H
[06:42] <vk3pb> alternatively then how about jt-65 over hf?
[06:42] <vk3pb> or soem other weak signal digital mode?
[06:43] <vk3jed> Been done with success :)
[06:43] <vk3pb> cool
[06:43] <vk3jed> andy_vk3yt: can say more on that
[06:43] <vk3pb> im interestedto see how far thes epico balloons end up going
[06:44] <vk3pb> i knwo you got as far as nz but after that...?
[06:45] <vk3pb> also why am I seeing 2 balloons?
[06:45] <vk3pb> is there 1 or two?
[06:45] <vk3jed> Two trackers - RTTY and APRS
[06:45] <vk3jed> On the one balloon tho
[06:46] <vk3bq> still decoding 200km away now
[06:47] <vk3jed> 240k from here
[06:47] <vk3pb> spacenear.us is showing two diffeent probable paths for the two trackers!
[06:47] <vk3jed> Must be a sensitive model they use
[06:48] <andy_vk3yt> vk3pb: different TX interval. should be more accurate on RTTY
[06:48] <vk3jed> Yep
[06:49] <vk3jed> I switched the second receiver back to RTTY coz it's more frequent and I have no means of reporting APRS
[06:49] <vk3pb> What I would like to do is make one of these trackers (or similar ) with a hf transmitter but with a small solar panel and fit the lot in a small plastic globe (like you get in coin machines) and then toss it in the ocean.
[06:50] <vk3jed> Interesting
[06:50] <vk3pb> "Message in a bottle"
[06:50] <vk3jed> New spin on message in a bottle lol
[06:50] <vk3pb> exactly
[06:50] <vk3jed> Snap
[06:50] <vk3pb> woudl last ages
[06:51] <andy_vk3yt> your antenna radiation pattern will be a problem
[06:51] <vk3pb> and using jt-65 would be trackable all over the world
[06:51] <eroomde> http://poseidon.sgsphysics.co.uk/index.html
[06:51] <vk3jed> Yeah was thinking that, antenna on/in conductive seawater
[06:51] <vk3jed> Hmm, seem my trackers have lost lock :(
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[06:51] <VK2FAK> what are you using for APRS
[06:52] <vk3pb> seater makes a great groundplane
[06:52] <vk3pb> sea water makes a great groundplane
[06:52] <vk3pb> and the antenna can be inside the globe
[06:52] <vk3jed> Not if the antenna is lying on it! Lol
[06:53] <vk3jed> Ahh the 736 is receiving now, lost lock due to a drastic freq shift, the 7000 not getting good decodes ATM
[06:53] <andy_vk3yt> Poseidon is cool!
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[06:54] <vk3jed> FYI, vk3jed is the IC-7000, vk3irl is the ft-736
[06:54] <vk3pb> uses sats
[06:55] <vk3pb> thats cheating :)
[06:55] <vk3jed> Lol
[06:56] <andy_vk3yt> eroomde: does Poseidon use Iridium or Global star?
[06:56] <vk3jed> Balloon's bearing is just about ideal for me, straight down the valley ;)
[06:56] <eroomde> danielsaul: ^
[06:57] <eroomde> he'll know
[06:57] <eroomde> i don't
[06:57] <andy_vk3yt> np
[06:58] <eroomde> iridium
[06:58] <eroomde> http://poseidon.sgsphysics.co.uk/technical.html
[06:58] <andy_vk3yt> thanks, must be SDB?
[06:59] <andy_vk3yt> Saw that on the link, they use RockBLOCK
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[07:06] <vk3jed> 262km, still getting decodes
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[07:07] <andy_vk3yt> How's the drifting Tony?
[07:07] <vk3jed> Not as bad
[07:07] <Ugi> Hi Guys - do you know wether G-04 on the map is a flight for today or just a test?
[07:07] <vk3jed> Still drifts around, but less of the rapid shifts that kill decodes
[07:08] <Ugi> just wondering about tracking it.
[07:08] <vk3jed> No idea on that one
[07:08] <Ugi> no sweat. Thanks anyway.
[07:08] <vk3jed> Np
[07:10] <Upu> test Ugi
[07:10] <andy_vk3yt> Hi Upu
[07:10] <Upu> morning* Andy
[07:10] <Upu> *relative
[07:11] <Upu> pico trackers ?
[07:11] <andy_vk3yt> Hope we didn't cause too much noise here!
[07:11] <andy_vk3yt> Yes PICO heading north to Sydney
[07:11] <vk3jed> andy_vk3yt: The long term stability is actually quite good (no VFO adjustments), it's the short term stability that's shot.
[07:11] <Upu> excellent
[07:11] <Upu> nice altitude
[07:11] <andy_vk3yt> your 7C is on it :)
[07:11] <Upu> I guessed as much :)
[07:12] <Upu> any pcis ?
[07:12] <Upu> pics
[07:12] <andy_vk3yt> picospace.net
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[07:13] <Upu> doing APRS as well ?
[07:13] <andy_vk3yt> yes
[07:13] <Upu> SI4060 ?
[07:13] <andy_vk3yt> yes
[07:13] <Upu> very nice
[07:13] <andy_vk3yt> thank!
[07:14] <vk3jed> :)
[07:16] <eroomde> pico seems to have taken the world by storm
[07:16] <vk3jed> :)
[07:16] <eroomde> it's amazing
[07:17] <vk3jed> Obviously does the job
[07:17] <Upu> think its Darkside we have to thank for kicking it all off ?
[07:18] <eroomde> jcoxon i think
[07:18] <eroomde> i might be wrong
[07:18] <Upu> picoAtlas ?
[07:18] <Upu> yes you're correct
[07:18] <vk3jed> Argh getting a sequence of rapid drifting
[07:18] <Upu> Micro payload - balloon flight with a payload that weighs < 100g in total
[07:18] <eroomde> but i'm fairly sure he turned u at churchill with some party balloons and a tracker and i thought it would never take off
[07:18] <Upu> hah
[07:18] <eroomde> metaphorically
[07:18] <eroomde> though i also had my doubts literally
[07:18] <vk3jed> Lol
[07:18] <vk3bq> at my noise floor now, too weak to decode (minus the crazy drifting) back to painting,
[07:19] <vk3jed> Still able to get decodes when the drifting isn't too crazy
[07:21] <VK3ETC> looks like we need someone to set-up an aprs tracker in Albury/wodonga to help with the S>N flights
[07:21] <vk3jed> That would be handy
[07:21] <vk3jed> RTTY too
[07:22] <vk3jed> The short feed line is definitely better here
[07:23] <vk3jed> The antenna on the long feed line is in a better spot, is higher but has less gain
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[07:26] <jcoxon> yeah the early flights didn't go that well
[07:26] <jcoxon> morning eroomde
[07:26] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi
[07:28] <jcoxon> i've now been outclassed from the point of technology, can't keep up with all this tiny trackers
[07:31] <vk3bq> completely gone now, no audio decreeable :D thanks Andy!
[07:31] <andy_vk3yt> Thanks Andrew!
[07:31] <vk3jed> Still decoding here
[07:32] <eroomde> it was getting reliable super-pressuring that opened the floodgates, i think
[07:32] <eroomde> is there a pic of launch somewhere jcoxon ?
[07:32] <eroomde> i remember it was churchill and raining
[07:32] <jcoxon> it was
[07:32] <jcoxon> now known to be a bad thing for picos
[07:32] <eroomde> i think there was a pic around somewhere
[07:33] <jcoxon> this was the payload https://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/5391521594/in/set-72157625669920351
[07:34] <jcoxon> on recovery
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[07:34] <jcoxon> haha
[07:34] <jcoxon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpzSRefPeQ
[07:34] <jcoxon> a video
[07:34] <eroomde> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/7648695270/in/set-72157625669920351/
[07:34] <eroomde> all the suns
[07:35] <jcoxon> the best phrase for a pico
[07:35] <jcoxon> 'well at least its going up'
[07:35] <VK3ETC> lol
[07:36] <eroomde> is that me!?
[07:36] <jcoxon> i think you launched it
[07:36] <jcoxon> but i think adam said the phrase
[07:37] <eroomde> http://images.mmorpg.com/features/7613/images/Gandalf.jpg
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[07:37] <mikestir> vertical video!
[07:37] <vk3jed> Hmm, didn't receive that last APRS packet :(
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[07:41] <VK3ETC> looks like there is someone in albury who can recieve aprs 2rtl
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[07:54] <vk3jed> Looks like I've finally lost decode
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[08:00] <vk3jed> You still here andy_vk3yt?
[08:00] <vk3jed> Have an interesting observation re the instability
[08:01] <eroomde> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDiuqcx-vpI
[08:03] <Upu> good shot
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[08:03] <LeoBodnar> I like the dude at 0:20
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[08:16] <Ugi> upu - thanks. Just looking for an excuse to test out my new antenna!
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[08:46] <Guest36689> can raspberry pi model work with camera module with the balloon?
[08:47] <Guest36689> will it go overheated ?
[08:47] <daveake> it works well
[08:48] <LeoBodnar> Pi works but its model might not
[08:51] <Guest36689> can the raspberry with GPS module that can work above 18Km?
[08:52] <daveake> ^ Upu, customer :)
[08:53] <daveake> Guest36689, Yes, you can use a suitable GPS (e.g. ublox 6/7/8) with the Pi
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[08:55] <Upu> morning :)
[08:55] <Upu> yes Guest36689 as long as you get the correct GPS module
[08:55] <Upu> the Adafruit one stops at 27km most people would suggest you go with a ublox module
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[08:58] <LeoBodnar> it seems B-46 has beaten B-12 with 166 hours flight time
[08:59] <daveake> woohoo :)
[08:59] Action: cm13g09 sighs
[08:59] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar - you're too good at this
[09:00] <LeoBodnar> I am trying to get worse
[09:00] <Upu> eh did it reappear ?
[09:00] <Upu> oh not yet
[09:01] <LeoBodnar> no the last point was 25/4 15:40 start was 18/4 17:11
[09:01] <Guest36689> http://www.rlocman.ru/i/File/2011/04/22/1.pdf like this one? is it ublox 6
[09:02] <LeoBodnar> Guest36689: like this http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_64&product_id=81
[09:03] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_60
[09:08] <Guest36689> thanks!
[09:10] <nats`> hi
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[09:12] <ibanezmatt13> Morning from Starbucks :)
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[09:16] <eroomde> thats a good ide
[09:16] <eroomde> must be nearly brunch time
[09:17] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah, that's after the tall Americano :)
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[09:20] <g1clt> awesome job with the ballon
[09:20] <g1clt> b 46
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[09:21] <ibanezmatt13> Agreed, great flight path
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[09:23] <jcoxon> we need to get more stations in hte Caspian sea corridor
[09:23] <jcoxon> where long duration picos end up passing through
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[09:35] <x-f> not a long time ago you wished for more receivers in Poland :)
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[09:37] <DL7AD> not even one receive in kazakhstan :(
[09:38] <nats`> call borat !
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[09:44] <LeoBodnar> it's worth purchasing a few simple APRS rx only igates and sending over
[09:44] <LeoBodnar> if we know they will be installed and looked after
[09:44] <LeoBodnar> not *at*
[09:45] <nats`> rtl-sdr + habamp centered on 144 ?
[09:45] <vk5fsck> was there or is there a HORUS launched planned
[09:45] <LeoBodnar> well this needs a PC
[09:46] <nats`> it'll in any case
[09:46] <nats`> or do you transmit the data ?
[09:46] <LeoBodnar> more like dsdigi + RPi
[09:46] <Upu> If you can make it work..
[09:46] <nats`> uhhhmm oky
[09:46] <LeoBodnar> dsdigi is external TNC
[09:46] <Upu> I'm working on a Wuoxon + filter + PiTNC
[09:46] <Upu> http://imgur.com/INoyY87
[09:46] <LeoBodnar> nice!
[09:46] <Upu> http://tnc-x.com/TNCPi.htm
[09:46] <LeoBodnar> want!
[09:47] <Upu> got one of the TNCPi's
[09:47] <Upu> nasty through hole
[09:47] <Upu> and design is err dubious pins touch the USB header
[09:47] <Upu> however
[09:47] <Upu> if it works
[09:47] <mikestir> I mate of mine worked rotation in kazakhstan until recently - maybe he would be able to get one installed somewhere out there
[09:47] <mikestir> a*
[09:47] <LeoBodnar> so this thing on top of the other thing - does it do full AX.25 decoding or just bit slicing
[09:48] <nats`> mikestir just curiosity but what did he make in kzakhstan ?
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[09:48] <mikestir> oil industry
[09:48] <nats`> is there anything to do there ?
[09:48] <nats`> ohh yes
[09:48] <nats`> oil
[09:48] <LeoBodnar> oil or rockets
[09:48] <LeoBodnar> you choose
[09:48] <nats`> rocket with oil ? ;)
[09:49] <eroomde> potassium
[09:49] <LeoBodnar> sounds like a drug name
[09:49] <nats`> ok got it there are stuf to do in kazakhstan :)
[09:51] <eroomde> it's enormous
[09:51] <eroomde> we could do with cheap sace in the uk with a few miles of nothing in any direction
[09:51] <eroomde> space*
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[09:55] <LeoBodnar> I'd go on holiday there
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[09:56] <eroomde> i'd build an engine test facility there
[09:56] <Martin_G4FUI> Probably why Spadeadam was used ...
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[09:57] <LeoBodnar> i assume nobody  nothing
[09:57] <eroomde> exactly why spadeadam was used
[09:57] <eroomde> but spadeadam isn't interested in that anymore
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[09:58] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: It's called the north-east of scotland
[09:58] <eroomde> and other useful sites got sold off to white elephants like qinetiq who just churn on taxpayers money
[09:58] <Martin_G4FUI> Good old Bluestreak
[09:58] <SpeedEvil> west
[09:58] <eroomde> and charge totally stupid day-rates for testing as it's hardly worth their time attracting customers
[09:59] <eroomde> SpeedEvil: the problem is it's too inhospitable
[09:59] <Martin_G4FUI> Kielder is in the middle of Nowhere (and paradoxically not too far from me .. )
[09:59] <eroomde> try getting a tanker of LOx to where we did our 2-stage rocket 2 years ago
[09:59] <eroomde> you simply couldn't
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[09:59] Action: SpeedEvil lols.
[09:59] <SpeedEvil> Single track road with passing places and 30 degree ascents.
[09:59] <SpeedEvil> 'interesting'
[10:00] <eroomde> you want something like stennis
[10:00] <eroomde> http://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/crgis/images/thumb/2/26/SSC-2004-02813.jpg/450px-SSC-2004-02813.jpg
[10:00] <SpeedEvil> Might almost be easier to do by sea
[10:00] <eroomde> miles of nothing but trees (good for noise absorbtion) but still easy to tap a road in from a motorway
[10:01] <eroomde> spadeadam would be good
[10:01] <eroomde> but as i say, all raf now
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[10:03] <eroomde> anyway gtg
[10:06] <LeoBodnar> does anybody know of a small box with a three connectors: 144.800MHz antenna input, +12V power socket and LAN interface
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[10:07] <LeoBodnar> User manual: plug in all three. don't touch anything
[10:07] <LeoBodnar> Function: APRS RX igate
[10:08] <Upu> you know there is the BiMH1 from RMX which would do the job with a Pi
[10:09] <Upu> thats my "end game" a sheild that goes on a Pi with the transmitter/reciever on it
[10:09] <LeoBodnar> I literally mean a working system in a nice ali box.
[10:09] <Upu> byonics probably do one
[10:09] <LeoBodnar> i can see myself designing one, i can't believe it does not exist many times over
[10:09] <LeoBodnar> just looking at RPi makes me cry
[10:10] <nats`> burn them all
[10:10] <nats`> why nobody use beaglebone ?
[10:10] <Upu> so much hate
[10:10] <nats`> they are more serious
[10:10] <nats`> or any sitara dev board
[10:10] <mikestir> aren't they permanently out of stock at the moment?
[10:10] <vk5fsck> check out bananna pi
[10:11] <LeoBodnar> LAN igate needs processing power of about 10MIPS
[10:11] <mikestir> stm32f4 disco board with the ethernet baseboard
[10:11] <mikestir> do the tnc in software
[10:11] <LeoBodnar> let's throw in lattice video rendering monster in just for kicks
[10:11] <LeoBodnar> what about frontend?
[10:12] <mikestir> baofeng or something
[10:12] <Upu> yeah
[10:12] <LeoBodnar> i mean BNC, +12V and RJ45 nothing else
[10:12] <LeoBodnar> baofeng has buttons
[10:12] <mikestir> yeah, but it all in a box
[10:12] <mikestir> put
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[10:12] <nats`> take a SI446X
[10:12] <LeoBodnar> it can beep
[10:12] <LeoBodnar> it has a display
[10:12] <Upu> its amateur radio its plug and piss about not plug and play Leo
[10:12] <LeoBodnar> etc
[10:13] <Upu> http://www.radiometrix.com/content/bim1h that with a TNC board plugged into whatever jesus board you want
[10:13] <LeoBodnar> no, buy-n-talk about
[10:14] <mattbrejza> i still think you should do one with solar power and iridium and drop them via latex floaters into the desert
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[10:16] <SpeedEvil> Iridium is quite heavy
[10:17] <LeoBodnar> add fancy wheels and it's a rover
[10:17] <mikestir> http://michaldemin.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/cheap-afsk-tnc/
[10:17] <mikestir> this guy seems to have done a soft tnc on stm32
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[10:18] <nats`> mikestir I know him
[10:18] <nats`> I can ask him to come here :)
[10:18] <x-f> jgc wanted to drop a rover on Greenland
[10:18] <LeoBodnar> soft TNC is trivial
[10:19] <mikestir> yeah but already done is still better than trivial
[10:20] <mikestir> port to chibios and the IP stuff is all there too
[10:20] <LeoBodnar> Tom SP9UOB made one as well http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dsdigi.html
[10:21] <LeoBodnar> it all belongs on the same PCB - RF frontend, decoding and Ethernet port
[10:21] <LeoBodnar> what the heck amateurs are doing?! this is XXI century
[10:21] <LeoBodnar> there should be 20 of them already
[10:22] <LeoBodnar> well it needs one, then 19 other are just copy
[10:24] <LeoBodnar> TNC algorithms are a bit a pain
[10:24] <LeoBodnar> i don't trust others
[10:24] <LeoBodnar> *of
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[10:33] <vk3ob> hi again
[10:33] <vk3ob> back from watching the sokkah
[10:33] <vk3ob> looks like the balloon is closer to Sydney
[10:33] Nick change: vk3ob -> vk3pb
[10:33] <LeoBodnar> so B-46 is now over 1.4 million population city with no radio amateurs capable of coherent communication
[10:33] <vk3pb> there - fixed my callsign
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[10:37] <vk3pb> how is b-45 communciating with the outside world? aprs? satellite?
[10:37] <LeoBodnar> APRS + UHF
[10:38] <vk3pb> Its travelled form Europe to India. I would have thought that it couldnt be tracked over that range with uhf?
[10:39] <fsphil> local receivers
[10:39] <vk3pb> ok thanks
[10:39] <fsphil> the radio range at that altitude is about 180km-ish
[10:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOS for 8750m and 1m hight is 390km
[10:42] <LeoBodnar> longest APRS hit was ~700km
[10:43] <vk3pb> that's impressive
[10:44] <vk3pb> I wonder if it will head down to Australia?
[10:44] <LeoBodnar> i think B-45 is dead by now
[10:44] <LeoBodnar> but it had a happy life
[10:44] <vk3pb> was it a pico balloon?
[10:44] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[10:45] <vk3pb> probably shot down by the americans :)
[10:45] <vk3pb> or the Indians
[10:46] Nick change: RaptorJesus__ -> RaptorJesus
[10:46] <LeoBodnar> well it made it through Afghanistan and Pakistan and survived
[10:46] <LeoBodnar> but probably succumbed to Himalayas
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[10:48] <vk3pb> it was 8.7k high. I dont think the Himalayas are that high.
[10:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> as long as it dont pass mount everest
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[10:51] <vk3pb> you are right. Everest is 8.8k high
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[10:54] <cm13g09> nats`: around?
[10:55] <nats`> yep
[10:56] <cm13g09> -> PM
[10:56] <LeoBodnar> updrafts vk3pb, updrafts...
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[11:04] <DL7AD> the field strengh of SP3OSJ is not good enough here in wildau
[11:04] <DL7AD> due to a high building
[11:04] <DL7AD> $$SPsoSJ,0213,114q7,53.!80y,&9a?960,61.82t,82 9.06,1.9,,88*50B3
[11:07] <jarod> B-46 russion spy bloon!
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[11:22] <DL7AD> $$SP2OSJ,!255,112212,53.101219,!4.156690,6298,24,9,R31.06(1.\0.90*EB28
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[11:44] <vk2hrx> ANdy: how confident are you with the flight projection? DO we need a digi woth a beam pojtned E form Sydney or will it go N before it turns E?
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[11:53] <Laurenceb_> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/151927_trj001.gif
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[11:55] <Laurenceb_> might see B-46 this afternoon
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[12:20] <airguzzler> HYDE0001 - which frequency are you intending to transmit on? Are you broadcasting at this time? I am only 10-15 miles away from your location.
[12:21] <Ugi> Also interested in estimated launch time and freq for HydeST001
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[13:21] <vk3pb> hi all again
[13:21] <vk3pb> i see that the balloon is near Wollongong now
[13:22] <vk3pb> the tracking has it doing a right hand turn - I'm not so sure
[13:24] <vk3pb> Interestingly aprs.fi has not updated for a while. It is still showing the balloon over Bungowia Recreation Area
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[13:27] <vk2hrx> Decoding it about 80% of the time. APRS has died for some reason. There's a temp iGate hopefully getting set up in SW Sydney to see if that helps.
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[13:33] <jiffe98> default_chase on snus in here?
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[14:14] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: not the best altitude to be overflying sydney at
[14:18] <vk3pb> ur 7 kms up, is that bad?
[14:18] <Darkside> well, major airport
[14:18] <vk3pb> sure but teh plnes around the airport will be at much lower altitudes
[14:19] <vk3pb> http://www.flightradar24.com/-28.82,137.66/6
[14:19] <Darkside> yes
[14:19] <Darkside> looking at that now
[14:20] <vk3pb> in fact not much in the sky at present
[14:20] <Darkside> yeah
[14:20] <Darkside> should be fine then
[14:21] <vk3pb> check out sydney airport looks like a plane is about to take off
[14:22] <Darkside> it should be well away from sydney before it gts to 30000 ft
[14:22] <SIbot> In real units: 30000 ft = 9 km
[14:22] <Darkside> :P
[14:23] <andy_vk3yt> Hi guys, AFK
[14:23] <Guest91484> At what speed will the payload come back down at with a 5ft nylon parachute? (I'm going for a kit from SkyProbe)
[14:23] <SIbot> In real units: 5 ft = 1.52 m
[14:23] <vk3pb> hi andy
[14:23] <Darkside> Guest91484: depends on the paylaod weight
[14:24] <vk3pb> just watching a plen take off at flightradar24
[14:24] <vk3pb> plane
[14:24] <andy_vk3yt> Haha
[14:24] <vk3pb> from sydney airport
[14:24] <andy_vk3yt> they have the curfew in Sydney 11pm to 6am I think
[14:24] <vk3pb> ur balloon is headed straight for it
[14:25] <Guest91484> Not to sure about the weight, Less than 5KG I guess
[14:25] <Darkside> Guest91484: also we gnerally dont recommend the SPOT trackers for launches
[14:25] <Guest91484> Why?
[14:25] <Upu> if it lands upside down you've lost it
[14:26] <Upu> and 5Kg is silly heavy try keep it below 1kg
[14:26] <Guest91484> What would you recommend?
[14:26] <Upu> radio tracker
[14:26] <Upu> its easier than you think
[14:26] <Darkside> Guest91484: building your own radio trackr
[14:26] <andy_vk3yt> Upu & Darkside: how do you fix up the 24H wrap around issue on SNUS?
[14:26] <Upu> I hack the database andy_vk3yt
[14:26] <andy_vk3yt> Really?
[14:26] <Upu> Guest91484 http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[14:26] <Upu> yeah
[14:27] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: the APRS stuff is rally just a hack
[14:27] <Upu> oh yeah I see give me a few mins
[14:27] <andy_vk3yt> My APRS import script is halting now after mid night
[14:27] <Darkside> really*
[14:27] <Upu> if there is no new data
[14:27] <Guest91484> Don't I need a radio licence for that and line of sight?
[14:27] <Upu> it breaks
[14:27] <Upu> Guest91484 where are you ? Country
[14:27] <Guest91484> UK
[14:27] <Darkside> heh
[14:27] <Upu> no license exempt
[14:28] <Upu> make a radio tracker we have lots of recieving stations
[14:29] <Guest91484> Ok, thank you.
[14:29] <Upu> best thing is to hang about in here when there is a launch in progress
[14:29] <Upu> you will get it :)
[14:29] <Upu> and don't use the Adafruit GPS it stops at 27km
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[14:31] <Guest91484> Also, we're planning on launching in Coventry, the middle of the UK, what if it goes into/lands in a no fly zone?
[14:32] <Upu> you will need a NOTAM
[14:32] <Upu> to launch
[14:32] <Upu> and we have good prediction software to avoid any issues
[14:32] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict
[14:33] <Guest91484> I know that, but what if it fly's or lands in a no-fly-zone?
[14:33] <Upu> well you don't launch if its going to go anywhere daft
[14:33] <Upu> if it lands in one
[14:34] <Upu> "Sorry" and "Sir" are probably good bets
[14:34] <Upu> if you land on somewhere like Sailsbury Plain or army testing grounds they'll blow it up
[14:34] <Upu> so make sure you don't
[14:36] <adamgreig> try to avoid airports too
[14:36] <Upu> and cities
[14:36] <Upu> motorways
[14:36] <Upu> etc
[14:37] <Guest91484> Ocean as well I guess?
[14:37] <Upu> all the pros have landed in the sea at some point
[14:37] <Upu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcbykWjsQrI
[14:38] <andy_vk3yt> that must be a Gopro!
[14:38] <Upu> err no actually
[14:38] <Upu> a cheap chinese thing that still works
[14:39] <Upu> despite getting wet
[14:39] <Upu> just scratching my head trying to work out how to fix this dodgy permissions andy_vk3yt
[14:40] <andy_vk3yt> don't worry if it is too hard Upu! will sort itself out at 0:00 UTC
[14:40] <Upu> the problem is
[14:40] <Upu> the GPS date
[14:40] <Upu> 2014-04-26 23:57:16
[14:41] <Upu> 2014-04-26 00:05:13
[14:41] <Upu> because you're technically the 27th now
[14:41] <Upu> you're uploading local time not TUC
[14:41] <Upu> UTC
[14:41] <andy_vk3yt> yes
[14:41] <Upu> use UTC next time :)
[14:41] <Upu> the server uses UTC
[14:41] <andy_vk3yt> will do!
[14:41] <Upu> I can see the issue
[14:42] <Upu> just trying to work out how to fix it
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[14:45] <andy_vk3yt> Upu: Can you just clear it and I can start using UTC now?
[14:45] <Darkside> not if its going into habitat
[14:45] <Darkside> i think
[14:45] <Upu> trouble is any new ones you upload will go as the 26th
[14:46] <Upu> I could manual hack the gps_time for a few entries as the 27th
[14:46] <Upu> but if you upload new ones they will go as the 26th
[14:46] <eroomde> -9hrs
[14:46] <eroomde> it's easy
[14:46] <eroomde> time zones are the easiest problem in all of programming
[14:46] <Darkside> >_>
[14:46] <Upu> trouble is Ed (this may be easy)
[14:46] <Upu> the gps_time = '2014-04-26 21:41:56'
[14:46] <Upu> i.e with the date
[14:47] <eroomde> i was joking
[14:47] <eroomde> timezones are the root of all evil
[14:47] <Upu> ah ok
[14:47] <Upu> so yes andy_vk3yt
[14:47] <Upu> UTC
[14:47] <Upu> next time
[14:47] <eroomde> they're the most complicated buggy thing in the universe
[14:48] <Upu> so we don't have to stab you metaphorically in the face over the internet
[14:48] <andy_vk3yt> if you clear all data for VK3YT-11 for today, then I can start using UTC now as this is just an import script
[14:48] <Upu> ah ok
[14:48] <Upu> give me a few mins
[14:48] <andy_vk3yt> ok
[14:51] <vk2hrx> If you had aimed it at Sydney International Airport then you would be very proud of where it is right now. Bang on target. Curfew helps at this time of night.
[14:52] <vk3pb> yes passing right overhead
[14:53] <vk3pb> 2nd time one of your balloons has done this
[14:53] <Upu> DanielRichman fixed it andy_vk3yt
[14:54] <Upu> carry on uploading but use UTC pls :)
[14:54] <vk3pb> Herlad sun tomorrow "UFO strafes Sydney Airport"
[14:54] <vk3pb> :)
[14:54] <Darkside> haha
[14:54] <eroomde> there exist non integer hour offset timezones too
[14:54] <Darkside> eroomde: ohai
[14:54] <eroomde> it's horror on a scale that's difficult to imagine
[14:54] <Darkside> eroomde: i live in on
[14:54] <andy_vk3yt> Thanks Upu, it seems to be working now
[14:54] <Darkside> one*
[14:55] <vk3pb> i have a theory
[14:55] <vk3pb> that major airports attract pico balloons
[14:55] <vk3pb> thats why the balloon didnt do a right hand turn as predicted
[14:56] <vk2hrx> I can turn the tracker off for an hour, that way it wont be there.......
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[15:09] <vk2hrx> it's 20+ her enow
[15:09] <adamgreig> eroomde: the real horror is leap seconds I think
[15:09] <adamgreig> and the real real horror is the double leap second
[15:09] <adamgreig> which means the 'seconds' field might be 61...
[15:10] <Guest91484> Just found out, there is restricted airspace NNE of the proposed launch location. I think it's military...
[15:11] <eroomde> adamgreig: yes that sounds bad too
[15:12] <adamgreig> and they're so rare they screw /everything/ up
[15:12] <adamgreig> oh and timezones where the DST transition is different every year
[15:12] <adamgreig> and only decided on a few days in advance
[15:12] <adamgreig> they can go hang
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[15:12] <WillPhone> Theres an iss pass about 5
[15:13] <WillPhone> Doubt Ill be able to hear anything. Dont think digipeater is active
[15:13] <K9JKM> ISS digi was active 5 minutes ago over Australia
[15:14] <K9JKM> http://www.ariss.net/ is an archive of the most recent packet messages
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[15:19] <WillPhone> Thanks. No means of txing aprs but would be nice to hear
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[15:20] <K9JKM> I used google earth to get my GPS location and manually entered that location data into the message I send via the UISS software
[15:22] <Darkside> i couldnt get UISS to talk to my TNC..
[15:22] <Darkside> it just wantd to use AWGPE
[15:22] <WillPhone> Why are tncs seemingly only used for aprs and packet?
[15:22] <Darkside> which was a pain, as my handheld works as a TNC via USB
[15:22] <kd2eat> Looking like Catamount-9 (k4wcu-11) is gonna drop right on the edge of national forest. Nice.
[15:22] <WillPhone> Can't it be computer generated?
[15:23] <Darkside> WillPhone: err sure it can
[15:23] <Darkside> AWGPE
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[15:23] <K9JKM> UISS is painful with a hardware TNC ... I use a terminal window with the TNC and execute the commands manually
[15:23] <K9JKM> The UZ7HO Soundmodem is a good replacement for AGWPE
[15:23] <Darkside> mm
[15:24] <Darkside> K9JKM: gnrally i just snd stuff to the ISS straight off my handheld :P
[15:24] <Darkside> (TH-D72)
[15:24] <K9JKM> TNCs were the BIG THING back around 1990's and then 1200 baud packet via radio was replaced by the internet
[15:24] <Darkside> but i'd lik to be abl to plug into my laptop and us that
[15:24] <K9JKM> Nice radio
[15:24] <WillPhone> I could do that and hold my handy to the speaker I guedd
[15:24] <Darkside> WillPhone: dosnt work
[15:24] <Darkside> well, not reliably
[15:25] <adamgreig> you should probably just get a little cable for headphone port on laptop -> microphone port on handy
[15:25] <Darkside> the response of the mic will often screw up the packet
[15:25] <WillPhone> Talking of data
[15:25] <Darkside> so yeah, use a cable
[15:25] <WillPhone> I should get started with it
[15:25] <WillPhone> The isolation bit seems silly
[15:25] <Darkside> uh
[15:25] <Darkside> for what, HF data?
[15:26] <WillPhone> Yeah. Silly as in a pita, not that it isnt needed
[15:26] <vk2hrx> So what's the prediction for PS/VK3YT-11? Is it going to turn or just keep on keeping on?
[15:26] <Darkside> WillPhone: go buy a signalink USB or similar
[15:26] <Darkside> and save yourself time
[15:26] <Darkside> also means it has its own sound card
[15:27] <Darkside> i like it, as it means I can listen to music whil working BPSK31 :P
[15:29] <vk2hrx> I have 3 . They are the way to go
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[15:31] <Darkside> vk2hrx: only annoying thing is the transformers dont have th flattest rsponse
[15:32] <Darkside> they could have put some higher quality audio transformrs in there..
[15:32] <Darkside> anyway, sleep time for me
[15:33] <K9JKM> Donner Digital Interface is least expensive sound card interface
[15:33] <K9JKM> Review at http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2073
[15:33] <K9JKM> $40 US .... not sure if they ship overseas
[15:33] <WillPhone> Darkside: not cheap:
[15:33] <WillPhone> 100 or so usd
[15:34] <adamgreig> £100 for UK suppliers
[15:34] <adamgreig> it's a thing I keep thinking about buying because it would be Nice to have
[15:35] <vk2hrx> Well, I'll point the yagi to the NE and let it run overnight. The Brisbane station can get it from there.....
[15:35] <adamgreig> but like, it's a £3 ebay USB soundcard, a few more pounds for a USB PTY IO, and a cable
[15:35] <kd2eat> leave
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[15:35] <adamgreig> it'd be so cheap to make myself to really not be worth £100, but it's annoying and fiddly enough to make myself that I don't
[15:36] <DL7AD> http://www.thiecom.de/aby7lb-70cm-band-richtantenne.html <= good yagi for small budget
[15:36] <SIbot> In real units: 7 lbs = 3.2 kg
[15:37] <DL7AD> i dont know if there is a offer in the UK too
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[15:45] <aadamson> now you'll have to admit this is a pretty cool idea - http://zacinaction.github.io/kicksat/ :)
[15:45] <adamgreig> anyone happen to know how the PTT works on the signalink etc?
[15:48] <K9JKM> Some of the hardware PTT connections use the RTS or CTS pin on RS-232 serial
[15:49] <adamgreig> guess I'm mainly wondering what types of PTT are commonly supported by digimode software
[15:49] <adamgreig> since signallink presumably does PTT
[15:49] <K9JKM> I run a Yaesu FT-857D ... has a separate digital vox threshold so I run vox
[15:49] <adamgreig> aah
[15:49] <adamgreig> maybe signallink just does vox too?
[15:49] <K9JKM> I turn down the audio vox when I'm on digital
[15:49] <K9JKM> It took a few minutes fiddling with the levels but once set it has been stable
[15:50] <adamgreig> hmm
[15:50] <adamgreig> looks like signalink generates PTT itself somehow
[15:50] <adamgreig> maybe based on the presence of audio in
[15:50] <K9JKM> Yeah could be done that way
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[15:52] <adamgreig> yea it looks like that's what it does
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[16:08] <K9JKM> OK ... just finished capturing telemetry pass from AMSAT-UK FUNcube ... it is 11AM and finally warmed up to 10°C here in Chicago ... I'm going outside for yard work
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[16:11] <WillPhone> I think data might be a bit expensive
[16:12] <adamgreig> WillPhone: for a couple of pounds you can buy a USB sound card on ebay
[16:12] <adamgreig> then you just need to wire that into your handheld (maybe a few pounds more on the right plugs)
[16:12] <adamgreig> turn on vox keying
[16:12] <adamgreig> job=done
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[16:14] <WillPhone> Oh. I have a usb sound card
[16:14] <WillPhone> Is it fm modulated, aprs?
[16:15] <adamgreig> oh true, you kind of need a SSB transceiver
[16:15] <ulfr> Yes, its' fm modulation.
[16:15] <adamgreig> but yea, it's AFSK
[16:16] <ulfr> err
[16:16] <adamgreig> just, most software will probably expect an SSB radio/
[16:16] <adamgreig> well it's AFSK so like
[16:17] <adamgreig> should be doable
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[16:30] <Willdude> I don't know - I'd like a IC-703 interface but it's either too much money or too much effort
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[16:40] <eroomde> https://twitter.com/neuromaria/status/459955503251349504/photo/1
[16:43] <mfa298> Willdude: reading some of the scrollback. as a bit of History aprs is based on packet radio which dates back to when PC's were about as powerful as an AVR, so packet decoding hardware was needed more.
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[16:46] <malgar> using gqrx I see a filter offset from the hardware frequency
[16:47] <malgar> my ntx2b has 434.325 MHz but actually it is tuned on 434.296
[16:47] <malgar> should I change the offset?
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[16:48] <malgar> no
[16:48] <malgar> sorry
[16:48] <malgar> now I understand, solved
[16:52] <Willdude> Right - so packet on the ISS should be active when it passes over Britain.
[16:52] <Willdude> Can anyone try and work it
[16:53] <mfa298> Willdude: from the times I've listened in there will be lots of people trying to get into it - so you should hear plenty of packets if you listen for it.
[16:54] <Willdude> OK
[16:54] <Willdude> mfa298, does it repeat on the same frequency as the uplink?
[16:55] <Willdude> Having a friend and his family round for dinner tonight, it'd be awesome to show them the iss
[16:55] <Willdude> Well;
[16:55] <Willdude> You know what I mean
[16:55] <mfa298> Willdude: you'll need to google for frequencies as I can't remember what they are off hand.
[16:57] <jcoxon> 145.825 is the iss aprs freq i think
[16:57] <jcoxon> it'll repeat on the same freq
[16:58] <eroomde> bet they don't have permission
[16:58] <Willdude> Permission to what? Do they need it?
[16:58] <eroomde> tx on that freq over the uk
[16:58] <Willdude> Is there any software that will format the APRS nicely? I have managed to decode it but it's awful to read.
[16:58] <eroomde> we should send an ofcom van to investigate
[17:02] <Willdude> eroomde, nobody seemed to ask questions about it causing QRM, people have done with habs though.
[17:02] <Willdude> http://i.imgur.com/My1gYlu.png
[17:02] <Willdude> Courtesy of MS paint
[17:03] <jarod> ^^
[17:03] <eroomde> that'll scare them
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[17:04] <CopyRight> Hello and hi
[17:04] <Willdude> Heaveno and lo
[17:05] <CopyRight> :)
[17:05] <Upu> hi
[17:06] <CopyRight> what is happening?
[17:06] <Upu> you joined the channel and said Hello
[17:06] Action: Willdude z-snaps on behalf of Upu
[17:07] <Upu> prior to this many things : lo and hi
[17:07] <Upu> [18:04] <Willdude> Heaveno
[17:07] <Upu> grr
[17:07] <Upu> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs/highaltitude.log.20140426
[17:07] <Willdude> Upu, yeah?
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[17:08] <CopyRight> haha okey :p
[17:08] <Willdude> Did not know it was associated with fundamentalist christians http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/HeavenO
[17:08] <Willdude> Right - need to set up a remote sdr on my laptop
[17:08] <Willdude> If you can do that
[17:09] <CopyRight> nice log **
[17:09] <mfa298> Willdude: there's a few bits of software for APRS - uiview and APRSIS32 are probably the better ones. you probably also need a software tnc for which agwpe seems to work
[17:09] <malgar> dl-fldigi: in DL Client < Location I get pink fields and I can't fill them, why?
[17:09] <Willdude> mfa298 right
[17:10] <CopyRight> it was a long time since I was last here
[17:10] <Willdude> I used GQRX on it's own last time
[17:10] <mfa298> Willdude: you can set up sdr-console so that you can have a server machien with the rx on it and then decode on another machine
[17:10] <Willdude> Cool
[17:10] <Willdude> I seem to remember AGWPE being a bit fiddly
[17:11] <Willdude> Due to lack of tx
[17:11] <mfa298> it can take some trial and error (and lots of restarting the software) to get the levels right for rx from what I remember.
[17:11] <Willdude> Ah well
[17:12] <Willdude> I have 20 minutes or so to set it up
[17:12] <Willdude> Right
[17:12] <Willdude> So it will be something like this
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[17:13] <Willdude> SDR-radio on laptop -> LAN (our lan is slow but meh) -> AGWPE -> aprsis32 or something
[17:16] <mfa298> you need sdr-radio on both machines (server and client) and it might need a decent bit of bandwidth - I'm not sure if it streams all the raw IQ data or just the bits you're interested in.
[17:20] <Willdude> Don't think I'll get it in time
[17:22] <Willdude> It seems AGWPE needs a TNC
[17:25] <Willdude> I can't tell if it's working or not
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[17:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[17:29] <mfa298> agwpe acts as a software tnc you just need to get the audio into it
[17:30] <Willdude> I give up
[17:30] <Willdude> 3 minutes to go
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[17:52] <sp2ipt> SP9UOB-Tom: hi
[17:52] <aadamson> Upu, ping?
[17:53] <sp2ipt> Willdude: try UZ7HO soundmodem - it's way faster to setup than anything else and works OK - you just feed it with audio signal
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[18:26] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, what dimensions to you cut your 2mtr ground plane antennas too?
[18:27] <LeoBodnar> i don't have GP
[18:27] <aadamson> you have radials right, counterpoise whatever you want to call them
[18:28] <LeoBodnar> i use vertical dipole
[18:28] <aadamson> hmm
[18:28] <aadamson> so I get the vertical being what 1/4 wave?
[18:29] <aadamson> do you have 4 parts that at 90 degrees to the vertical?
[18:29] <aadamson> I guess I need to go look at the pictures
[18:30] <LeoBodnar> no 1/2 lambda vertical dipole
[18:30] <LeoBodnar> two radiators 1/4 wave each
[18:31] <G4MYS_Andy> aadamson look up Ground plane on wiki lots of info including designs and cutting data..
[18:32] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, are the radiator contiguous meaning end to end?
[18:32] <LeoBodnar> 1/4 wave GP is a bit too big for a foil balloon
[18:32] <aadamson> yea I agree so I'm trying to figure out what you do (how you do it)
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> well its 1/2 wave vertical dipole, there's nothing more to it that i can say XD
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_antenna#Half-wave_dipole
[18:35] <aadamson> ok, I get that... just wondering mechanically the center of the dipole in your install is it at the point between the vertical and horizontal elements?
[18:36] <jarod> balloon with ads-b on air :D
[18:36] <eroomde> there is no horizontal
[18:36] <eroomde> in the element sens rather than the matrix sense
[18:36] <jarod> http://www.rb-cms.nl/upload/5086_31961310580038.jpeg
[18:37] <aadamson> wow, you guys and semantics... http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-14/Pages/4.html
[18:38] <aadamson> there are 4 *elements* of that antenna that are horizontal, and 1 that is vertical
[18:38] <aadamson> last time I checked a dipole was *2* elements both 1/4 wave
[18:38] <aadamson> with a feed point in the middle
[18:39] <jcoxon> aadamson, i think thats an old picture
[18:39] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/phjnj-2014-04-26-ball.jpg too bad, seems out of range on the FR24 MLAT receivers (not mine, of course.)
[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> thunderstorm
[18:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> aadamson: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/SEBA8/20140426_203707.jpg
[18:39] <jcoxon> that LeoBodnar now uses dipoles
[18:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> aadamson: this is 1/2 lambda dipole
[18:40] <aadamson> Tom I would absolutely agree with that...
[18:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> it may look assimetric, but isnt (part of conductor is on tha PCB
[18:41] <aadamson> yep. completely agree, is this what you all are using now?
[18:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> aadamson: feeding is in the middle
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> i can't speak for anybody else
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> i am usiong vertical 2m 1/2 wave dipole
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> i used to use 1/4 wave 70cm GP
[18:42] <aadamson> AH, now it's clear
[18:43] <aadamson> eroomde, sorry, took exception to the *elements* discusson... - "Typically a dipole antenna is formed by two quarter-wavelength conductors or elements placed back to back for a total length of L = »/2. "
[18:43] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, I thought maybe you were using a folded dipole with some form of additional elements
[18:43] <LeoBodnar> mmmm and...?
[18:43] <aadamson> :)
[18:44] <aadamson> but that was the 70cm GP obviously
[18:45] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, on the vertical portion that extends above the controller, how do you support that?
[18:45] <aadamson> or somehow protect it from the balloon, etc
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[18:46] <LeoBodnar> it's flexible
[18:46] <aadamson> your using guitar strings still?
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> no, just enamel copper wire
[18:47] <aadamson> ah ok... make sense now... thanks... sorry I went down the wrong road,
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[18:49] <aadamson> so, beg a different question, how are you doing solar on that setup/>
[18:49] <aadamson> any pictures of a late model B series with 144mhz dipole/solar?
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[19:22] <aadamson> ok, one 1/2 wave dipole fab'd up on an sma connector, won't be perfect, but will good enough to test with. AEA antenna tester says 1:1... yeah, we'll see :)
[19:22] <aadamson> good discussion, thanks for the feedback... I certainly wasn't thinking dipole :)
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[20:10] <json34> Hi all
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[20:18] <jcoxon> ping number10
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[21:00] <amell> Leobodnar always seems to lose his balloons at the caspian sea.
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> amell: He's got a plan.
[21:02] <amell> A secret plan
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> In several years, the network density of the grounded ones will exceed a critical ratio, and at that time, the network will become sentient.
[21:02] <amell> involving the murder of numerous balloons.
[21:03] <amell> Forget Skynet, it will be Leonet.
[21:06] <Laurenceb_> forecast has it reaching aprs around now
[21:06] <Laurenceb_> it might reappear
[21:06] <amell> where?
[21:06] <Laurenceb_> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/151927_trj001.gif
[21:07] <amell> is rainfall relevant as a path deviator?
[21:07] <Laurenceb_> maybe
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> give it a few more hours
[21:09] <amell> Does rain even exist at 8000m?
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> should be some sort of snow more or less
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> but there are clouds up to 11 km
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> clouds/weather
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[21:32] <vk2hrx> PS is still flying. Well odne ANdy!
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[22:40] <amell> nothing new from B-46 - how unfortunate.
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[22:57] <Willdude> sp2ipt, I tried that, didn't seem to work
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[23:09] <Willdude> I find AGWPE to be awful to set up
[23:10] <LeoBodnar> lol
[23:10] <LeoBodnar> have a look at MULTIPSK
[23:15] <Willdude> MY EYYYES
[23:16] <Willdude> LeoBodnar, you were joking right?
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[23:47] <amell> is there really a balloon on bermuda?
[23:47] <amell> im very suspicious
[23:47] <nats`> Aliens !
[23:48] <amell> An industrial estate in bermuda. That must be where they keep all the planes.
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[23:51] <esculca> hy eberyone
[23:51] <esculca> in the room
[23:51] <Jeristair> Hello
[23:51] <esculca> i am trying my second hab
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[23:51] <esculca> this time using a piece of code from habduino
[23:52] <amell> what happened to the first?
[23:52] <Jeristair> your second what?
[23:52] <esculca> but now using an arduino mega instead of the arduino uno
[23:52] <esculca> a second balloon launch
[23:52] <esculca> my first was kind of a half failure
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[23:52] <esculca> half failure, half sucess
[23:52] <esculca> :)
[23:52] <Jeristair> Ok thats cool, and what happened with the first launch?
[23:53] <esculca> i lost contact with it
[23:53] <esculca> some minutes after lauch
[23:53] <esculca> terribe weather
[23:53] <Jeristair> Bugger
[23:53] <esculca> I sent it from Portugal
[23:53] <amell> why did you decide to launch?
[23:53] <esculca> inexpirience
[23:53] <esculca> thrill
[23:53] <Jeristair> ah, that explains that
[23:53] <esculca> having everything set
[23:53] <esculca> anyway
[23:54] <esculca> that was great anyway
[23:54] <esculca> other than the radio everything went ok
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[23:54] <esculca> i thought i had lost the payload
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[23:54] <esculca> but 1 month later someone in spain found it
[23:54] <Jeristair> what was the payload?
[23:54] <esculca> and i went there to pick it up
[23:55] <esculca> have the photos
[23:55] <esculca> the telemetry
[23:55] <esculca> everithing intact
[23:55] <Jeristair> thats good
[23:55] <esculca> it only went up to 12Kms
[23:56] <esculca> but that's ok
[23:56] <Jeristair> so have you launched your second?
[23:56] <esculca> i have the second ready for lauch
[23:56] <esculca> but I am preparing a third one as well
[23:56] <Jeristair> ohh excited?
[23:57] <esculca> this one will have aprs
[23:57] <Jeristair> aprs?
[23:57] <esculca> worried i must say
[23:57] <esculca> have u tried aprs
[23:57] <esculca> on 144.800 MHz
[23:57] <esculca> ?
[23:57] <esculca> I downloaded the source code from habduino
[23:58] <Jeristair> sorry, haven't done anything with baloons or anything flying in fact, however I would love to do so
[23:58] <esculca> i tought you did, sorry
[23:58] <esculca> where from?
[23:59] <esculca> does anyone in here coud hel with the interrupts?
[23:59] <Jeristair> I'm from New Zealand
[23:59] <Jeristair> where are you from?
[23:59] <esculca> new zeland?
[23:59] <esculca> far away
[23:59] <esculca> hey
[23:59] <esculca> heven't we talked already
[23:59] <esculca> many time ago?
[23:59] <esculca> i guess i remember your nickname
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