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[06:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> morrn
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[07:21] <DL7AD_> Reb-SM3ULC: morning
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[07:27] <sp2ipt> hi
[07:28] <SM5OCI> Any chance that B-46 wakes up when the sun starts shining? Solar cells?
[07:30] <SA6BSS> it is awake, just no reciving station
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[07:40] <SM5OCI> SA6BSS: So, when it (if it) crosses the B-45 track, there will be more data! There were one or two APRS stations there, I believe.
[07:42] <DL7AD_> SM5OCI: excactly.... but there will be none i think
[07:43] <SM5OCI> DL7AD: For what reason do you think not?
[07:44] <DL7AD_> have a look where aprs stations are are where the prediction says where the balloon will be
[07:45] <DL7AD_> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_125777&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
[07:46] <DL7AD_> in this region there are no digipeaters anymore
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[07:48] <sp2ipt> DL7AD_: let's hope at least for some RV station - AFAIR there was someone who managed to receive OSJ till it hit abt. half of the caspian sea
[07:50] <DL7AD_> sp2ipt: that station who managed SP3OSJ is a bit far south....
[07:50] <DL7AD_> it will pass probably too much north
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[07:53] <SM5OCI> DL7AD: I see.
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[07:58] <DL7AD_> morning LeoBodnar
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[08:03] <LeoBodnar> morning!
[08:05] <eroomde> no
[08:05] <eroomde> well yes it is
[08:05] <eroomde> but i resent it already
[08:05] <eroomde> i was near you yesterday LeoBodnar
[08:05] <eroomde> in brackley
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[08:15] <LeoBodnar> ah cool
[08:15] <eroomde> i had no idea the mercedes F1 team were just so plonked on the roundabout
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[08:22] <LeoBodnar> come around next time you are here!
[08:24] <sp2ipt> DL7AD: you're right but the guy had good antennas :)
[08:24] <eroomde> willdo! yesterday it was a surgical strike to mortgage broker
[08:31] <SM5OCI> Yay! B-46 alive and kicking!
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[08:36] <DL7AD> sp2ipt: yep.... but 400km are critical as well
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[08:43] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: no GFS05 update :/
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[10:58] <SA6BSS> Is B46 the second longest fligt??. Two hours from breaking the record??
[11:04] <mattbrejza> record is 7.8 days
[11:05] <mattbrejza> B46 hasnt made 7 days yet
[11:05] <mattbrejza> 6.7 or something like that
[11:06] <adamgreig> yea. 7 days at 17.21 today
[11:06] <mfa298> the title on snus is slightly misleading - I think it's meaning the 8th distinct date that it's been flying rather than 8 days of flight time
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[11:21] <DL7AD> there has been a script done by someone on which it is possible to see all receivers which logged on in the past. does someone still know the adress to this script?
[11:22] <mattbrejza> habitat.habhub.org/stats
[11:22] <mfa298> I tihnk craag also did some visulations that showed how it changed over time
[11:23] <mfa298> although I can't remember if they pulled in data automatically or if it required server side prodding to get data
[11:23] <mattbrejza> https://www.philcrump.co.uk/ukhas_listeners/
[11:23] <DL7AD> thx
[11:23] <DL7AD> that what i was looking for
[11:25] <mattbrejza> not very popular in cornwall
[11:25] <DL7AD> i think the receiver list is not up to date... :/
[11:33] <mfa298> if you're looking at the listeners on the standard maps then they seem to time out 24 hours after dl-fldigi was started
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[12:07] <DL7AD> ping LeoBodnar
[12:08] <Laurenceb> B-46 approaching one week airborne :D
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[12:13] <Laurenceb> ooh ublox8 exists
[12:16] <DL7AD> is ublox8 compactible to ublox7?
[12:18] <Laurenceb> should be
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[12:30] <UpuWork> yes DL7AD
[12:31] <eroomde> you'll need to use a vice though
[12:31] <UpuWork> RV6FW
[12:31] <UpuWork> is recieving LeoBodnar I've disabled APRS
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[13:05] <Willdude123_> Wow
[13:05] <DL7AD> hi
[13:05] <Willdude123_> IRC no longer blocked at school
[13:05] <Willdude123_> hi DL7AD
[13:05] <Willdude123_> Couldn't get a proxy working
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[13:58] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: ping
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[14:31] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/141730_trj001.gif
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[14:35] <Laurenceb> lots of aprs around Abakan
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[14:39] <Hoogvlieger> B-45 took the southern passage to India en B-46 takes the northern passage to India.
[14:39] <eroomde> friday afternoon signs: just watched my boss try and put the tea cosie onto the kettle
[14:39] <eroomde> wondering why it's not really fitting
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[14:48] <mfa298> that sounds more like the sort of issue I'd expect to have monday mornings
[14:49] <mfa298> although I don't own a tea cosy to know for sure
[14:49] <mfa298> although this does remind me that my mug is empty
[14:49] Action: mfa298 goes to refill it with tea
[14:50] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: how many cups a day?
[14:51] <sp2ipt> if anyone has a VLF grabber then pls listen about 8,27 kHz in like 4-5 hours. We'll be testing transmitter with larget power in the club.
[14:51] <sp2ipt> oh, you could use a HAB and some wire to receive this :)
[14:52] <Laurenceb> wow
[14:53] <Laurenceb> how big is the antenna
[14:54] <mattbrejza> transmit into the power grid
[14:54] <sp2ipt> right now quite short - abt. 100m. We used to have like over 300m but the tower to which it was mounted was taken apart
[14:55] <mattbrejza> sure they wont mind
[14:55] <sp2ipt> it will stop on the first transformer which is really close to us
[14:55] Action: fsphil digs out his VLF receiver
[14:55] <sp2ipt> and with 8kHz the wires could sing :)
[14:56] <fsphil> what sort of range do you expect?
[14:56] <fsphil> I imagine not too far
[14:56] <sp2ipt> I'm taking my 50V 50A power supply today :)
[14:56] <sp2ipt> to be honest we're not sure. Folkd did a short test with 1kW power supply last week and we _think_ we saw something in a grabber in the UK
[14:56] <sp2ipt> but it was too short to be sure
[14:57] <fsphil> oooh
[14:57] <fsphil> so it's possible
[14:57] <fsphil> shout before you transmit
[14:57] <sp2ipt> basically you'd expect only a few km but nobody really knows :)
[14:57] <sp2ipt> ok
[14:58] <mattbrejza> so we should all go and attach large legnths of wire into the mic in of our sound cards?
[14:58] <sp2ipt> the biggest problem is the horrific 8kHz sound everywhere - it blows a hole in your head. And the dot lasts like an hour :D
[14:58] <sp2ipt> you could, vy often people do it moreless this way
[15:01] <Laurenceb> theres lots of spherics
[15:02] <sp2ipt> yes, it's probably the last chance this year for test
[15:03] <sp2ipt> few pics of the transmitter http://tinyurl.com/l3jnxbl
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[15:13] <DL7AD> no signal of B-46 anymore :(
[15:17] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: got involved in the weekly re-organise at the other end of the building
[15:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: beer-organise? :)
[15:19] <mfa298> unfortunately not.
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[15:19] <mfa298> it's the lets unplug everything and put it back together shuffle
[15:20] <mfa298> 5 desks one 13A socket - not a pleasant sight.
[15:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> oh
[15:21] <mfa298> with the additional - how many ways can we abuse a mains lead.
[15:22] <WillTablet> mfa298: so would the current be significantly higher 13 amps
[15:23] <WillTablet> mfa298: there are a number of ways to abuse a mains lead, oh you mean physically not mentally
[15:23] <mfa298> WillTablet: I think in a previous incarnation it was breifly, until the 13A fuse blew.
[15:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: i had a desk-place where someone thought "lab" was something like physics so every desk got a "normal" 10A-240v group with additional 16A-400v outlet...
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[15:25] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: nice :)
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[16:11] <sp2ipt> goin' to the club - will meep from there :)
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[16:12] <DL7AD> hi Willdude123 Willdude123_
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[16:13] <WillTablet> Hi DL7AD
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[16:22] <WillTablet> Is the iss voice repeater always on?
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[17:00] <SpeedEvil> http://press.org/events/spacex-press-conference - press conference - apparantly about the possible savings by using spacex for DOD launches
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/watch-live-elon-musk-makes-spacex-announcement-n89716 - here ratehr
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[17:22] <aadamson> SpeedEvil, kinda exactly the opposite... they are going to sue the dod :)
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> On a more positive note.
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> They recovered bits of the legs and interstage from the ocean.
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[17:24] <SpeedEvil> They say it may take a couple of months to refurb a sea-landed stage, and same day for land-landed.
[17:24] <aadamson> and they know it was at 0m/s rate and vertical for 8 seconds before they lost feed (it sunk or started too) and no ship would rescue it due to the sea conditions
[17:24] <aadamson> for 2 days
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it definitely broke up
[17:26] <Laurenceb> due to waves?
[17:26] <aadamson> 20 ft seas
[17:26] <SIbot> In real units: 20 ft = 6.10 m
[17:26] <aadamson> or worse
[17:27] <aadamson> no commercial ship including the coast guard would go out for 2 days
[17:28] <DL7AD> got a message from a station of kazakhstan of b-46
[17:33] <Laurenceb> with data?
[17:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: you have kazakhian stations on the email-list? :)
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[17:39] <aadamson> heh mikestir, been waiting for you to show up. I found the issue with WUT
[17:39] <aadamson> in my solution, I can enable or disable the OSC for the Radio - that being a digital PLL.
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[17:39] <mikestir> tell me in a minute - I'm just putting the kids to bed
[17:39] <aadamson> if it's not enabled, well, guess what there is nothing to osc the 30mhz internal osc and so the calibration fails and the radio goes to full core power
[17:40] <aadamson> :)
[17:40] <aadamson> enable the external osc and all is good in WUT land
[17:40] <aadamson> I have noticed that the si can't even be programmed if the external osc is off and thats what gave me a clue to what it might have been
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[18:32] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
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[18:42] <Upu> who has the HX1's that are transmitting on 144.380 ?
[18:43] <Upu> qbit
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[18:50] <mikestir> aadamson: I'm not surprised it doesn't do anything without a clock!
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[18:51] <aadamson> it basically can't... actually, it works just fine, but won't do things that need an osc like calibrate the 32khz clock, transmit, etc.. but WUT happens just fine
[18:53] <mikestir> yeah but the WUT will be in the 32kHz clock domain, everything else will be under the main clock
[18:54] <mikestir> since the radio state machine will need to run at full rate in order to get max data rate
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[18:54] <aadamson> yes, and that's they calibration wasn't working because the 30mhz osc is in the other domain
[18:54] <aadamson> that's why.
[18:55] <aadamson> but on the good news side... with gps in standby, processor in stop on rtc, radio in standby (not shutdown), I see 0.000 on the 4 digit meter :)
[18:56] <aadamson> which just means that I'm less than 1mA and I know the gps is 300uA in standby
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[18:57] <aadamson> That and now I have more way to sleep/stop/etc on the L1 that I know what to do with, I enabled them all to try them it seems... so I have a good PWR driver at the moment :)
[18:58] <mikestir> nice one
[18:59] <aadamson> dunno if this is true on the FS processor, but on the stm, I put *all* the clock on and set all the pins to ANALOG, first thing, then enable that as I want them, Any pin that isn't used then is in it's lowest power consumption mode
[19:00] <aadamson> and I went through all the peripherals the other day and created on/off/function code so that I can turn them on/off as needed between sleep/run
[19:01] <aadamson> the one that got me...
[19:02] <mikestir> are you sure analogue is lowest power?
[19:02] <aadamson> the systick timer/interrupt will wake you from sleep/stop if timing is such that it's pending right as you go to sleep
[19:02] <mikestir> digital out is probably lowest
[19:02] <aadamson> yes according to St that's true, not IN, not out, but analog
[19:02] <mikestir> right
[19:02] <aadamson> nope, apparently not on stms
[19:02] <mikestir> freescale has a "disabled" state
[19:02] <aadamson> well so does st
[19:02] <aadamson> if you disable the clock, the pin is disabled - from change
[19:03] <aadamson> but it will hold it's state so on those pins that you don't use, you have to set them to analog
[19:03] <aadamson> *and disble their clocks*
[19:03] <mikestir> yes but holding their state consumes zero power
[19:03] <mikestir> (leakage excepted)
[19:03] <aadamson> which is just odd, because you'd think that having pins HIGH would take power :)
[19:04] <mikestir> not at all
[19:04] <aadamson> but it seems to be negligable
[19:04] <aadamson> I did managed to pick some good parts for a couple of things - that I didn't really intend to do
[19:05] <aadamson> on all my ADC inputs, I use a double fet so that I can turn it on and off (a load switch as they are called)
[19:05] <mikestir> the output drivers are just MOS, so draw negligible gate current regardless of whether you look at the P or the N one
[19:05] <mikestir> so the output only draws current if there's something connected to it
[19:06] <aadamson> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/SI3865BDV-T1-E3/SI3865BDV-T1-E3CT-ND/1656898 - these little guys are pretty cool
[19:06] <aadamson> and while that particular one is MD'd, there are lots of them around from other companies
[19:07] <aadamson> I was really just looking for low rdson at 1.8v
[19:07] <aadamson> plus a freind recommended them
[19:07] <mikestir> yeah funnily enough I was looking at load switches this afternoon for a design at work
[19:07] <mikestir> I looked at the newer vishay ones
[19:07] <mikestir> anyway. biab food
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[19:22] <cm13g09> has anyone got time for a poor sod who's been asked to write a new program for a circuit with a PIC and a microphone in it?
[19:23] <cm13g09> I appear to be suffering analogue electronics failure
[19:23] <cm13g09> I didn't do the circuit... before anyone asks!
[19:25] <nats`> start by that :)
[19:25] <nats`> a simple opamp will do the trick at the beginning :)
[19:26] <cm13g09> nats`: problem is, somebody already designed the PCB and suchlike
[19:27] <cm13g09> so I've got some form of microphone going into the analogue input of a PIC
[19:27] <jarod> http://78.129.167.24:9930/listen.pls 121.2 MHz lightning madness... as long as the lightning stays away
[19:27] <cm13g09> I'm fairly convinced (given the pinout) that I need to be using Vref+ and the comparators....
[19:27] <nats`> cm13g09 what do you know about this analog part ?
[19:27] <cm13g09> nats`: as in the microphone?
[19:27] <nats`> you know the output voltage etc ?
[19:28] <cm13g09> nope :P
[19:28] <cm13g09> they won't even give me part codes for it
[19:28] <cm13g09> and it's unlabelled!
[19:28] <nats`> picture of the circuit board ?
[19:28] <cm13g09> "Here's a circuit, reverse engineer it to work out what code you need to write for it"
[19:28] <nats`> or you have a scope ?
[19:28] <cm13g09> no scope :(
[19:29] <nats`> ok a solution will be to do the code like if the microcphone give and ideal output for you
[19:29] <nats`> after you can at the price of a resolution loss shift bit to multiply the input
[19:30] <cm13g09> you lost me nats`
[19:30] <nats`> uhhhmmmm PM we will not pollute the channel
[19:35] <mikestir> cm13g09: you'll need some idea of maximum SPL so you're maxing out the ADC under those conditions
[19:35] <mikestir> do you have a schematic?
[19:36] <cm13g09> mikestir: kinda....
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[19:36] <cm13g09> lemme try and pull something together
[19:39] <cm13g09> mikestir: nats` is helping me
[19:39] <cm13g09> and so far we're doing pretty well
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[19:39] <mikestir> ok
[19:40] <mikestir> it should be doable - I've done something similar with a silabs 8051 in the past
[19:40] <LeoBodnar> "you'd think that having pins HIGH would take power :)" on a FET push-pull?
[19:40] <mikestir> you can get reasonable voice performance with very few external components
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> this is not TTL :D
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> this is CMOS
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[19:43] <aadamson> yeah LeoBodnar I keep being reminded :)
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> oh, just reading scrollback
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> most consumption in CMOS comes from *switching* itself
[19:45] <LeoBodnar> but you probably know that
[19:45] <LeoBodnar> this is why consumption ~ core frequency
[19:46] <Maxell> Any news on new Ubuntu PPA's from simrunbasuita?
[19:46] <aadamson> btw, all your rPi fans, did you see the new hummingbird? probably the solution you'll want when ready
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[19:47] <aadamson> ah it's actually a hummingboard - not bird... - http://liliputing.com/2014/04/hummingboard-raspberry-pi-compatible-dev-board-freescale-mx6-chip.html
[19:48] <aadamson> http://imx.solid-run.com/wiki/index.php?title=HummingBoard_Hardware
[19:48] <mikestir> I find the whole "raspberry pi form-factor" thing quite amusing
[19:48] <mikestir> I mean as a form-factor it's utterly rubbish
[19:48] <mikestir> what with connectors on 3 sides
[19:48] <aadamson> course this is rather amusing as well - http://cubox-i.com/
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[19:48] <aadamson> yeah mikestir I'm with you, but anythings better than arduino :)
[19:48] <Lunar_LanderA> xD
[19:49] <aadamson> I will admit however that the new Nucleo boards from mbed are pretty nice for what you get (for less than $10 in the US)
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[19:50] <aadamson> KD8ATF, that's funny, I guess ATT - SWB - BS never changed the host name of their stuff from cingular (was a BS employee and kept a bunch of contracts with the wireless side)
[19:51] <aadamson> I didn't look that close at those hw platforms, but maybe they have the fixed video stuff you all have been wanting for SSDV?
[19:51] <Laurenceb_> lolz
[19:51] <Laurenceb_> they copied the most epic fail aspects of Rpi
[19:52] <aadamson> yeah, wouldn't surprise me
[19:52] <aadamson> not currently avail, and no price, but interesting non-the-less
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[21:59] <sp2ipt> hi
[21:59] <DL7AD> hi sp2ipt
[22:00] <sp2ipt> sry I didn't give any info but we managed today to fry two IGBT transistors :|
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[22:27] <Laurenceb_> what the heck happens in Abakan
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> possibly more APRS in a few square km than the rest of russia
[22:28] <aadamson> must be like las vegas - "what happens there stays there"
[22:28] <aadamson> :)
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> i wonder if its one guy mucking about :P
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> solar powered personal APRS network
[22:31] <Upu> lets hope it floats over there
[22:31] <Laurenceb_> its forecast to fly almost straight over
[22:32] <Laurenceb_> lol theres a car driving between the sites
[22:32] <Laurenceb_> i wonder if it really is one guy
[22:32] <Laurenceb_> lots of different callsigns...
[22:33] <arko> im still waiting for B-45
[22:33] <Upu> possibly didn't make it over the mountains
[22:33] <arko> o wow
[22:33] <Upu> would have expected it to ping Japan by now
[22:33] <adamgreig> should add a 'total flight time' to snus
[22:33] <arko> crazy to think everest is at the leo float altitude
[22:33] <arko> 8,848 m
[22:34] <arko> damn himalayan mountains
[22:34] <arko> adamgreig: haha
[22:34] <Laurenceb_> it would have picked up huge oscillation
[22:34] <arko> yeah
[22:34] <Laurenceb_> probably burst
[22:34] <arko> winds are much rougher
[22:34] <aadamson> I'm betting that *those* mountains are pretty rough terrain for a balloon, the updrafts and downdrafts over those are pretty brutal and probably reach well up in the 10k's of meters
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> fast flowing air coing from ~1km terrain altitude to several km
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> thats going to give some massive updrafts
[22:35] <arko> lets go B-45 takes it across china
[22:35] <arko> might have a chance of buzzing my house :P
[22:35] <Upu> 46 ?
[22:35] <arko> err
[22:35] <arko> 46
[22:35] <arko> right
[22:35] <Lunar_LanderA> B-80
[22:36] <Laurenceb_> i wonder if RR9UJ can reach Abakan
[22:36] <Upu> its meant to come north over russian and end up in NWT Canada
[22:36] <arko> if it buzzes fsphil's house and mine i'll eat my shoe
[22:36] <Laurenceb_> dunno how to see if it did
[22:36] <Laurenceb_> aiui there arent long term APRS logs?
[22:37] <adamgreig> doubt there's much aprs in nwt canada
[22:38] <Upu> few hubs
[22:38] <Upu> Yellowknife
[22:38] <adamgreig> then again I'm regularly surprised at how much there is in the middle of nowhere
[22:38] <adamgreig> wilderness and aprs seems to go together quite well
[22:38] <Laurenceb_> thats the plan :P
[22:40] <Upu> yeah its basically Yellowknife
[22:40] <Upu> and the MacKenzie River
[22:40] <Upu> a little bit of it :)
[22:40] <adamgreig> a tiny bit in whitehorse
[22:40] <adamgreig> sad to see none in dawson
[22:40] <adamgreig> not the most hospitable terrain
[22:40] <adamgreig> the overlay says activity near norman wells but I don't actually see any if I zoom in
[22:41] <Upu> likely to have it
[22:41] <arko> LeoBodnar: any idea what the diffusion through the mylar is? have you modified the balloon in anyway?
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> arko: i looked it up
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> its not mylar
[22:42] <Upu> no its metalised whats it
[22:42] <Laurenceb_> its pretty sophisticated stuff - nylon with alu and some low permiability plastic film too
[22:42] <Laurenceb_> pretty impossible to work out how long it will float for
[22:44] <Laurenceb_> mylar is PET
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[22:44] <fsphil> who's buzzing me now?
[22:45] <Lunar_LanderA> bzzzzzt
[22:46] <Laurenceb_> arko: i suspect its BOPA with something else laminated on...
[22:47] <arko> b-46 a while back fsphil
[22:47] <arko> Laurenceb_: mm
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> probably this
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ksbopa.com/cf.html
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> it dramatically achieves low permeability :D
[22:51] <fsphil> ah, thought maybe he'd done it again :)
[22:51] <arko> haha
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[22:52] <arko> i was saying that if b-46 buzzes my house too i will eat my own shoe
[22:52] <fsphil> I'd help you
[22:52] <arko> *disclaimer: shoe maybe just made of cake*
[22:52] <arko> fsphil: haha
[22:52] <LeoBodnar> we'll let you choose the souce
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[23:49] <jiffe98> need more receivers in the middle east
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