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[01:20] <wd8mnv> re: flying a rtl sdr... there a Hak5 that does that i think... latest episode?
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[09:06] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
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[09:35] <Rocketmagnet> Hello
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[09:38] <Rocketmagnet> Hi
[09:38] <mfa298> Morning Rocketmagnet
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[10:27] <Rocketmagnet> Hello
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[11:45] <Rocketmagnet> Hello
[11:46] <Rocketmagnet> Oh, Hi mfa298.
[11:46] <Rocketmagnet> I didn't see you there.
[11:46] <mfa298> there's normally a few other people around.
[11:47] <mfa298> tey must all be busy recovering after the long weekend
[11:49] Action: cm13g09 is lurking
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[12:03] Action: Reb-SM3ULC lurks
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[12:04] <DL7AD> hi
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[12:07] <mfa298> if you comment to say you're lurking does that mean you're still lurking or have you infact de-lurked having commented.
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[12:10] <x-f> it was an /action, it might be in a bit different status
[12:10] Action: cm13g09 sighs
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[13:07] <json34> Hi leobodnar! Are you here?
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[13:16] <Rocketmagnet> Is anyone here interested in implementing their own APRS transmitter ?
[13:16] <Rocketmagnet> I've just written up a couple of blog posts on the subject, and I'd be grateful if anyone can give them a look, and see what they think.
[13:16] <Rocketmagnet> http://hugosprojects.wordpress.com/
[13:17] <mfa298> I think a few people have done their own APRS implimentations but there's not so many UK people doing it as Amateur radio isn't allowed airborne in the UK
[13:18] <Rocketmagnet> Really? I didn't know that.
[13:18] <Rocketmagnet> I'm going to be launching in Kansas in a couple of months.
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[13:19] <Rocketmagnet> If you're not allowed airborn APRS in the UK, then how do people track their balloons ?
[13:19] <mfa298> we use transmitters in the 70cm ISM band
[13:19] <mfa298> which are limited to 10mW
[13:20] <mfa298> a few have also tried other ISM bands (869MHz and bit of HF ISM)
[13:20] <Rocketmagnet> AAh ok. Do they have much range?
[13:20] <mfa298> I think the record is over 800km
[13:20] <mfa298> Rocketmagnet: were are you based ?
[13:20] <Rocketmagnet> Yesterday I saw someone's balloon had travelled as far as India.
[13:21] <Rocketmagnet> I'm in London.
[13:21] <Rocketmagnet> How did they track it from the UK to India?
[13:21] <mfa298> that one was contesia and aprs (when over places that it's allowed)
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[13:22] <mfa298> there's lots of good stuff on the wiki (link in te topic)
[13:22] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M
[13:22] <Rocketmagnet> OK, so they change to different tracking methods depending on the country?
[13:22] <Rocketmagnet> That's pretty advanced.
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[13:23] <Rocketmagnet> Probably hard to get the balloon back if it travels that far.
[13:23] <Rocketmagnet> Long range littering.
[13:23] <mfa298> the B-* balloons don't tend to be recovered.
[13:23] <fsphil> advanced littering
[13:24] <mfa298> Rocketmagnet: assuming the callsign used in your blog posts is you presumably you have another call to use in the US (UK advanced or a US license)
[13:24] <fsphil> the long range flights tend to carry very small payloads
[13:25] <Rocketmagnet> The callsign is actually my Dad's
[13:25] <Rocketmagnet> Do you need another callsign in the US ?
[13:26] <mfa298> you might want to read the licening rules.
[13:26] <Rocketmagnet> mfa298: Could always put the payload in a self addressed envelope.
[13:26] <Rocketmagnet> I'll have to mention it to my Dad.
[13:27] <mfa298> The license is for the person it's allocated to (so your dad not you) and for use under a receprocal agreement (TR61/01 for US) you need an advanced license (M0???)
[13:27] <Rocketmagnet> mfa298: Yeah, it'll be my Dad launching it.
[13:28] <gonzo_> why don't you start getting a licence yourself?
[13:28] <mfa298> the foundation (M3/M6) is for use on UK Land only (no airborne, no maratime mobile) with various other limits
[13:28] <Rocketmagnet> gonzo_: Didn't think I'd need one.
[13:29] <gonzo_> for licence exepmt balloon telemetry in the UK, you don't. But worth doing anyway
[13:29] <gonzo_> (I would have thought byour dad would have encouraged you to do that anyway!)
[13:30] <mfa298> from what I've seen LHS do the courses fairly regularly and foundation is pretty simple (usually a weekend course)
[13:30] <mfa298> if you're reasonably technically minded the Intermediate and Full shouldn't be too hard either.
[13:31] <cm13g09> I managed to get a full licence without trying too hard :P Only read the book the day before the exam!
[13:31] <cm13g09> Not saying that's possible for all
[13:31] <cm13g09> but it's possible
[13:31] <gonzo_> ditto, but a long time ago
[13:32] <mfa298> ditto gonzo_ (although not quite as long ago)
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[13:33] <mfa298> I did it at the same time as doing GCSE's so that should give an idea as to the sort of skill level required (and I think the RAE was one of the easier exams I did that summer)
[13:34] <Rocketmagnet> mfa298: OK, maybe I will.
[13:34] <Rocketmagnet> Thanks.
[13:36] <gonzo_> the licenec is split into three levels these days. The foundation is a weekend course. The intermediate is a few weekends (though if tyou are technically minded, you can just do the assesment but rather than the courses)
[13:36] <gonzo_> the full loicence is just the exam
[13:37] <gonzo_> at the momnet you have to do all the levels, you can't just go for the full licence. Which is a bit daft really.
[13:37] <mfa298> there's sample exam papers (and sylabuses) on the rsgb website which should give an idea of what you need to know.
[13:38] Action: mfa298 hopes that daftness of having to go through all levels gets changed with some sensible looking at the practical requirements.
[13:39] <mfa298> i.e. if someone turns up with a pcb they've designed and made themselves they can probably solder and know what the components do.
[13:39] <gonzo_> I've mentioned it in my reply to the rsgb consultations
[13:39] <mfa298> was that just in the litmus test forums (several of us commented on it there) or have the consultation proper been released yet
[13:40] <gonzo_> along with airborne permissions, which seems to have been taken seriously (along with a few other people here waving that same flag)
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[13:42] <gonzo_> i recall seeing it in some rsgb summary, so it's probably gone through by now
[13:42] <gonzo_> it all needed to be in for the next licence update, which is driven by the selling off of 2.35-2.39GHz
[13:43] Action: mfa298 probably ought to open some of the radcoms sitting at home and see if there's been any comments about the consultations
[13:43] <gonzo_> I don't read tham that closely to have noticed
[13:44] <mfa298> I had thought the litmus tests were just to gauge interest and what should be consulted on before ofcom do the official consultation, which i think was due around now.
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[14:21] <UKC_WTM5> Guys, never guess what!
[14:21] <UKC_WTM5> http://maarseveent.com/private/20140422_133435.jpg
[14:21] <UKC_WTM5> sent to me by email...
[14:22] <UKC_WTM5> looks like it went for a swim
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[14:22] <adamgreig> UKC_WTM5: haha, nice
[14:23] <mfa298> not the first payload to go swimming
[14:23] <UpuWork> is this the one you lost ?
[14:23] <mfa298> although possibly one of the faster ones to wash up
[14:28] <mfa298> is this the one you thought was up a tree ?
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[14:32] <gonzo_> was the data recoverable?
[14:32] <gonzo_> or have they not tried?
[14:32] <UKC_WTM5> haha, this is the one I was convinced was in a tree
[14:33] <UKC_WTM5> Im still v confused because I was getting a 434 signal around the trees
[14:33] <UKC_WTM5> but I guess that was off something else then
[14:33] <UKC_WTM5> spent around 3 days in the woods...
[14:33] <UKC_WTM5> it was the first one I lost yes
[14:33] <UKC_WTM5> Im going to contact the woman now and see how I can retrieve it
[14:33] <ulfr> Some weird bounce of the radio signal?
[14:34] <UKC_WTM5> Yes it looked like it was bouncing off houses
[14:34] <UKC_WTM5> but I was very confusing at the time
[14:34] <UKC_WTM5> Going to attempt data recovery as soon as I have it
[14:35] <UKC_WTM5> it was*
[14:36] <mfa298> there's lots of things that transmit around 434MHz so unless you can determine you're getting rtty from the payload you could be hearing something else.
[14:42] <SA6BSS> B46 @ island :)
[14:43] <UpuWork> haha
[14:44] <LeoBodnar> B-46 woo! Thats why mums go to iceland!
[14:45] <UpuWork> lol
[14:45] <UpuWork> we use to have some recievers in Iceland
[14:45] <mfa298> this is where WSPR might have been good. Next stop Greenland ?
[14:45] <UpuWork> I do have contact details for a HAM in Greenland
[14:46] <craag> That is very cool... Leo was there something about an APRS-TXed log on this one?
[14:46] <Laurenceb_> first HAB to iceland :D
[14:48] <nats`> I'm waiting to see when the position log will be sent !
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[14:49] <LeoBodnar> yes there is log coming over APRS
[14:49] <Laurenceb_> really?
[14:49] <LeoBodnar> i will decode it tonight and upload
[14:49] <Laurenceb_> new feature
[14:49] <Laurenceb_> epic
[14:49] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[14:49] <nats`> cool :)
[14:49] <nats`> how long is the log ?
[14:49] <UpuWork> oh so you can play it back ?
[14:50] <LeoBodnar> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=M0XER-6 longer sentences contain log entries
[14:50] <LeoBodnar> yeap UpuWork
[14:50] <LeoBodnar> 2 hour checkpoints
[14:50] <nats`> LeoBodnar maybe an evolution of the lgo would be to keep point over the time
[14:51] <nats`> I mean something like 1 day of log but with mroe space between each point
[14:51] <UpuWork> super :)
[14:51] <LeoBodnar> it's now 5 days worth of 2 hour checkpoints
[14:51] <LeoBodnar> but it might take a while to get it all down
[14:51] <UpuWork> sure
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[14:57] <Laurenceb_> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/145657_trj001.gif
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> another 4 days
[14:58] <Rocketmagnet> Laurenceb_: Where did that balloon launch from? Alaska?
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> uk
[14:58] <LeoBodnar> Silverstone
[14:59] <Rocketmagnet> Oh, right. So that image doesn't have that part of the flight on it?
[14:59] <fsphil> check the map on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[14:59] <Rocketmagnet> Aah, that was the image you showed me yesterday, with one balloon going to India and one was just over Ireland?
[14:59] <craag> Yeah, this is the one that was over ireland, now up in iceland.
[15:00] <Rocketmagnet> That's so amazing.
[15:00] <craag> Laurenceb_'s image was a prediction for the next few days
[15:00] <fsphil> with the huge drop in altitude I didn't expect to see it again
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[15:00] <fsphil> must have iced up
[15:00] <fsphil> at least I know I can turn my radio off now :)
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> have you been keeping watch?!
[15:01] <fsphil> I left fldigi running just in case
[15:01] <Rocketmagnet> It's so funny that the India one looked like it was heading out over the Atlantic, then changed its mind.
[15:01] <LeoBodnar> that's the spirit! ta :D
[15:01] <LeoBodnar> the weather ahs been weird recently
[15:02] <LeoBodnar> last 2000 years
[15:02] <LeoBodnar> oh, i was just about to finish massive BOM, i am distracted now :D
[15:04] <mfa298> got a way to go before it get's to the USA probably all the way accross canada first (if it manages to keep going east)
[15:07] <mfa298> Is Leo going for the hab equivalent of worked all countries
[15:08] <craag> mfa298: That would imply he has competition...
[15:09] <craag> Which he needs I think
[15:10] <cm13g09> craag: I think he probably does :P
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[15:13] <craag> dinner, bbl
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[15:22] Action: cm13g09 has just upgraded to 14.04 - mind the US keyboard layout switch :P
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[15:23] <fsphil> seems you have proper menu bars now. ubuntu is so modern like
[15:23] <Lunar_LanderU> I also upgraded :)
[15:23] <fsphil> fedora? :)
[15:23] <Lunar_LanderU> I like the "Forever" background image
[15:23] <Lunar_LanderU> ubuntu
[15:24] <mfa298> I installed 14.04 over the weekend but only a server install on a vm at home so no desktop
[15:24] <Lunar_LanderU> talk to you all later :)!
[15:25] <mfa298> I might have to try te desktop version on something sometime - although it sounded like that might require a find/compile a suitable copy of dl-fldigi
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[15:27] <cm13g09> mfa298: yeah, the upgrade isn't that easy
[15:27] <cm13g09> and you will almost certainly require a compilation of dl-fldigi
[15:27] <cm13g09> if I'm feeling nice, I might package it for you
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[15:28] <mfa298> someone had tried the ppa the other day and found it didn't work as one of the libraries had been upgraded by several versions
[15:29] <cm13g09> mm
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[15:29] <mfa298> I think there are scripts for building a package but you'll probably want the right version from git.
[15:29] <adamgreig> it should get packaged soon
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[15:29] <adamgreig> doesn't look like it needs much more than rebuilding with the right deps
[15:29] <adamgreig> soon as simrun gets around to it >_>
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[15:37] <eroomde> adamgreig: am installing 14.04
[15:37] <eroomde> you will be indifferent to know
[15:41] <adamgreig> cool
[15:41] <adamgreig> i should really do that soon
[15:41] <adamgreig> now as i'm back home
[15:41] <adamgreig> maybe after my exam
[15:41] <adamgreig> have you upgraded os x yet?
[15:43] <eroomde> 13.9?
[15:43] <eroomde> 10.9*
[15:43] <eroomde> yes
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[15:43] <eroomde> for a while
[15:43] <eroomde> it's fine
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[15:45] <adamgreig> still tempted to wipe entirely rather than just upgrade
[15:45] <adamgreig> hmm
[15:45] <fsphil> I've always done that
[15:45] <fsphil> though it's a pain sometimes
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[15:46] <adamgreig> mainly suspect there's a lot of accumulated cruft from the last three years or so
[15:46] <mfa298> I've usually tried to put /home on a seperate partition to make wipe & install easier - although fedora seems to make that setup much easier than ubuntu
[15:47] <eroomde> grub problems
[15:47] <eroomde> i hate it
[15:47] <mfa298> although I've only realy used the server installer so I don't know if the desktop installer for ubuntu is better
[15:49] <Laurenceb_> i just upgraded gcc 4.7 to 4.8
[15:49] <Laurenceb_> arm project consistently 5% smaller
[15:49] <Laurenceb_> *projects
[15:50] <fsphil> 4.9 is out now
[15:51] <Laurenceb_> doh
[15:51] <Laurenceb_> lol
[15:52] <Laurenceb_> so one prject that was a 120K binary with 2009 codesourcery is now 49K
[15:53] <fsphil> that seems a bit much
[15:54] <adamgreig> 5% smaller?
[15:54] <adamgreig> that sounds more like 50%
[15:54] <Laurenceb_> since 4.7
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[16:16] <eroomde> grub fixed
[16:16] <eroomde> schmeh
[16:16] <eroomde> times like this i think osx for pc and ubuntu can stay on the server
[16:17] <eroomde> the feeling quickly passes
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[16:19] <ulfr> did I see someone talking 'bout some HAB heading to Iceland?
[16:19] <arko> B-46
[16:20] <arko> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[16:21] <ulfr> hm
[16:21] <ulfr> What frequency?
[16:21] <craag> 434.500
[16:21] <arko> http://pastebin.com/N0GFx1Zj
[16:22] <craag> ulfr: Telemetry details ^^
[16:22] <ulfr> holy shit, it's also txing on 2m
[16:23] <ulfr> You guys want to retrieve that thing?
[16:23] <ulfr> I can probably head out with a mobile tracker and try to fetch it, given that it hits land.
[16:23] <arko> just dont shoot it down :)
[16:24] <craag> We're hoping it won't descend!
[16:24] <mfa298> I think the hope is it continues onwards rather than coming down
[16:24] <ulfr> Ah
[16:24] <arko> im hoping it reaches los angeles from the east
[16:24] <arko> and b-45 reaches los angeles from the west
[16:25] <mfa298> I suspect it's got a better chance at reaching Alaska than LA
[16:25] <arko> :P
[16:25] <craag> ulfr: It should be receivable from anywhere in iceland reasonably easily though!
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[16:25] <craag> So you could try out dl-fldigi and take a listen :)
[16:25] <arko> ^^^
[16:25] <arko> get the telemetry!
[16:26] <mfa298> and see if you can get other hams in iceland trying to receive it
[16:26] <Laurenceb_> are those some telemetry points that have appeared?
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[16:27] <LeoBodnar> i have put one datapoint from the log
[16:27] <LeoBodnar> to see if it breaks snus
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[16:41] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0UjWqQPWmsY
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[16:51] <eroomde> adamgreig: so 14.04's 'python3' is 3.4
[16:51] <eroomde> which is nice
[16:51] <eroomde> as it means venv installs pip
[16:51] <eroomde> and everything is just less ugly
[16:52] Nick change: Laurenceb_ -> Laurenceb
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[16:59] <ulfr> Hm, no data from the B-46 in a while.
[16:59] <ulfr> 45*
[16:59] <eroomde> suspect it died
[17:00] <ulfr> or 46
[17:00] <eroomde> it did well, we can't be angry with it
[17:00] Action: ulfr is confused
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[17:00] <eroomde> the atmosphere is a cruel mistress
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> So is the sea.
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> Also lava.
[17:01] <ulfr> Never lost a balloon in a lava...
[17:01] <myself> well that'd be a nifty first.
[17:01] <eroomde> i'd be impressed
[17:01] <myself> 1: redirect asteroid to cause impact caldera near home
[17:02] <myself> 2: launch balloon
[17:02] <eroomde> i think air-dropping a probe into an erupting volcano, from a balloon would:
[17:02] <eroomde> 1) be awesome
[17:02] <myself> 3: lose envelope over smoky plume
[17:02] <eroomde> 2) be awesome
[17:02] <eroomde> 3) allow you to claim that first
[17:02] <myself> 4: brunch
[17:03] <LeoBodnar> i think B-46 is behind the hill
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[17:09] <Laurenceb> yeah aprs goes patchy then dies
[17:09] <Laurenceb> it should reappear in a hour or two
[17:12] <ulfr> behind a hill?
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[17:13] <mattbrejza> or volcano
[17:13] <mattbrejza> or ash cloud
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[17:14] <ulfr> I don't think we are having an eruption at the moment..
[17:14] <eroomde> can you make one?
[17:14] <ulfr> well, few thousands ton of soap and a large drill...
[17:15] <ulfr> :D
[17:15] <eroomde> if you could just burrow into the core of the earth
[17:15] <eroomde> then put a bomb near the earth's centre
[17:15] <eroomde> then do some magic so that a bomb going off creates a torque on the core
[17:15] <eroomde> then if you get it just right, you should be able to make a volcano
[17:16] <ulfr> Given the pressure under some of the volcanos here, drilling would be enough to start it.
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[17:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[17:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> ping UPU
[17:20] <Upu> hi Tom
[17:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> look: http://www.nuestravision.com.mx/index.php/component/videoflow/?task=play&id=5530
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[17:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> Mexicans launch
[17:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> balloon looks bit overfilled and overloaded
[17:21] <Upu> yep
[17:21] <Upu> 46km though
[17:21] <Upu> "whatever"
[17:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> maybe nasa has secret gas ;-)
[17:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> with no protons and electrons in atom ;-)
[17:22] <arko> woah wait
[17:22] <Willdude123> Is B-45 even legal in most of the countries it has visited?
[17:22] <arko> i dont think he's actually nasa
[17:23] <ulfr> hm, new position received.
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[17:23] <Upu> yes Willdude123 it adheres to local laws
[17:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> in fact ny spanish is not very good, but he is "nasa coordinator" ;-)
[17:25] <arko> perhaps he meant MASA
[17:25] <arko> not nasa
[17:25] <Laurenceb> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1396/73/1396733970192.jpg
[17:25] <mattbrejza> has radioactivoty stickers on the side :/
[17:25] <craag> radioactive??
[17:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> Mexican Amateur Space Abnormalities ;-) ?
[17:25] <arko> http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155142/mexican-space-program
[17:26] <mattbrejza> see 0:35
[17:26] <arko> si....fly...
[17:26] <craag> I see... what the heck have they got in it???!?!
[17:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> im wondering if its legal mark something (which in fact isnt) radioactive
[17:27] <arko> its mexico
[17:27] <mattbrejza> its not here
[17:27] <arko> its the wild west but south ...
[17:32] Action: SP9UOB-Tom has a possible solution...
[17:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> the GPS was using as the reference Mariana Trench level...
[17:33] <arko> hmm
[17:33] <x-f> :)
[17:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> it fits!
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[17:36] <daveake_> http://www.balloonchallenge.org/forum/
[17:36] <daveake_> "46.3 km record its coming to the earth right now"
[17:37] <daveake_> Yes I suspect the "record" will hit the ground harder than the payload did
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[17:39] <mattbrejza> pretty bad font/colour choice
[17:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> in my humble opinion its impossible with this setup
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[17:40] <craag> The payload doesn't look light
[17:40] <craag> cylinder and a box with a camera in underneath?
[17:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag: also the balloon is MUCH overfilled
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[17:40] <craag> yes
[17:40] <craag> WOuld probably need to be to lift it lol
[17:41] <daveake_> His secret is hot air. He's full of it
[17:41] <arko> lol
[17:41] <craag> ha!
[17:41] <mattbrejza> craag: just think how uninflated ours were two weeks ago and we were flying 1.3kg
[17:41] <craag> mattbrejza: mm!
[17:41] <arko> whats the lat/long of where the altitude is broken?
[17:41] <arko> if they really are referencing ground
[17:41] <mattbrejza> also his is a 2kg rahter than 1.6kg
[17:41] <arko> but that makes no sense as gps is relative to MSL
[17:41] <arko> ellipsoid
[17:42] <arko> errr
[17:42] <arko> geoid*
[17:42] <mattbrejza> well there are two different alitudes, but theyre only sightly differnt
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[17:42] <daveake_> I'm pretty sure it's a pressure-derived altitude calculation
[17:42] <mattbrejza> i would imagine he wont take gsbc's decision too well if it goes against him, not sure how much of it will end up public
[17:43] <arko> yeah, they must be using a sensor thats not correctly rated
[17:43] <arko> or calibrated
[17:43] <daveake_> It's worse than that
[17:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=680326705337325&set=o.1446743182222790&type=1&theater
[17:43] <arko> or they are just making it up
[17:43] <daveake_> The atmospheric model is a very simple one on that version of ardupilot
[17:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> 18.133 -120.055
[17:44] <mattbrejza> is this the first gsbc thing? i cant remeber it from last year
[17:44] <craag> 10.6V @0.8A
[17:45] <craag> THere is now way that's light
[17:45] <daveake_> His previous payload was over 3kg
[17:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> mattbrejza: they called it "annual" but i cant recall from last year
[17:46] <LeoBodnar> annual might mean they intend to do it in a year's time
[17:46] <mattbrejza> was probably only promoted in the US last year
[17:46] <LeoBodnar> or "we won't bother for a year"
[17:46] <mattbrejza> noone has a 2012 vintage 1600g howyee lying around i assume?
[17:47] <mattbrejza> would probably be certain to win
[17:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> mattbrejza: Steve has :-)
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[17:47] <arko> daveake_: that's gotta be it!
[17:48] <arko> those pressure sensors are not rated for that altitude
[17:48] <daveake_> Like I said, it's worse than that
[17:48] <daveake_> The calculation isn't accurate above 2km
[17:48] <daveake_> and it adjusts the result with accelerometer data
[17:49] <daveake_> you can see this effect in the altitude plot of the previous flight
[17:49] <mattbrejza> oh lol
[17:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake_: my (in fact nasa) model performs very well: http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/40389abaa95682e970b2fc71ccb0fee5#g/altitude,pressure_altitude
[17:49] <daveake_> It appears to be taking the horizontal swinging of the balloon as up/down movement
[17:50] <daveake_> The ardupilot version he's using defaults to using pressure even if a GPS receiver is connected
[17:50] <daveake_> When Upu pointed this out to him, he went silent
[17:50] <arko> daveake_: wow
[17:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake_: so mistery is solved
[17:50] <daveake_> I think so, but he won't admit it
[17:51] <arko> the pressure sensor is MS5611-01BA
[17:53] <craag> Nice one SP9UOB-Tom ;)
[17:53] <arko> operating pressure range is 450-1100mBar
[17:53] <arko> and extended is 10mBar to 1200mBar
[17:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> Operating range: 10 to 1200 mbar,
[17:53] <arko> so lets say it was at 10mBar
[17:53] <mattbrejza> whats the offset error?
[17:54] <arko> the altitude at that pressure is 10km
[17:54] <arko> thats at BEST
[17:54] <arko> to claim you are able to measure above 10km is a joke
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[17:55] <craag> arko: In addition to that, the author of the pressure-altitude model in Ardupilot said not to trust that over 2km.
[17:55] <mattbrejza> i have found sensors rated to 200mb give useful data down to pretty low pressures, but kinda irrelevent if the code is using accelerameter data
[17:55] <arko> craag: yeah
[17:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have posted on that forum
[17:55] <arko> these guys are full of it
[17:55] <craag> SP9UOB-Tom: Saw that :)
[17:55] <arko> as daveake_ said.. hot air
[17:56] <arko> forum?
[17:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: http://www.balloonchallenge.org/forum/#!/
[17:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> but my english is not as good to pick up the fight ;-)
[17:56] <arko> has anyone notified the balloon challenge guys of this?
[17:57] <Upu> they may have
[17:57] <craag> :)
[17:57] <arko> good
[17:57] <mattbrejza> pressure is 10mb at 30km, error band is +-6mb at that end of the scale
[17:57] <mattbrejza> for that sensor
[17:57] <arko> wow
[17:58] <Ferretman> The error is actually much higher at lower temps
[17:58] <mattbrejza> yea thats teh low temp error
[17:58] <craag> Upu for GSBC Verification Official!
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[17:59] <ERROR> Anyone here?
[17:59] <Ferretman> Nope!
[17:59] <daveake_> nope
[17:59] <daveake_> http://i.imgur.com/iylF4hy.png
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[17:59] <arko> no
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[18:00] <mattbrejza> probably more realistic to use the high temperature error range for their payload lol
[18:00] <craag> lol daveake_
[18:00] <Guest21833> Does anyone know a good place to buy a HA Balloon? I'm in the states btw.
[18:00] Action: nats` is becoming a cheesy cheese
[18:01] <Upu> I basically forwarded the mail I'd sent to Eduardo three weeks ago explained our concerns and advising him of the altitude models
[18:01] <arko> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html
[18:01] <arko> Guest21833: ^^^
[18:01] <arko> buy from the uk
[18:01] <Upu> That I've had no response from
[18:01] <arko> they are more reliable and cheaper
[18:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake_: ROTFL
[18:02] <Upu> anyway its up to the GSBC people now
[18:02] <arko> Guest21833: kaymont has been having bad balloons recently
[18:02] <arko> at least my experiences with them
[18:02] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/So8ffrs.jpg
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[18:02] <arko> Guest21833: where in the us?
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[18:02] <daveake_> lol Upu
[18:02] <Upu> :)
[18:03] <Guest21833> Whuch balloon gets the highest altitude
[18:03] <ibanezmatt13> can't believe I actually put that on the envelope... :)
[18:03] <Guest21833> *which
[18:03] <fsphil> Guest21833: very expensive japanese balloons
[18:03] <daveake_> ibanezmatt13 You were stitched up there :)
[18:03] <arko> Upu: can you also send them this http://www.nasa.gov/offices/ogc/ip/logo.html
[18:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> well, so next year i'll launch as crappy pressure sensor as possible :-)
[18:03] <mattbrejza> early 2012 vintage 1660g howyees :P
[18:04] <ibanezmatt13> haha, too right I was daveake :)
[18:04] <fsphil> we need to raid steve's house
[18:04] <daveake_> If you can find an unused one :)
[18:04] <Upu> Well I'd love to know how you become a NASA collaborator
[18:04] <arko> mattbrejza: its like wine
[18:04] <mattbrejza> or rice apparently... :/
[18:04] <arko> upu: srsly, misuse of the nasa logo and name is not ok
[18:04] <Upu> I posted a letter to NASA when I was 8 years old and they sent me back some lovely pictures of Saturn
[18:04] <arko> :)
[18:04] <Upu> I think that makes me a collaborator
[18:04] <daveake_> haha
[18:04] <fsphil> totally
[18:04] <arko> NASA 4 lyf
[18:05] <arko> haha
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[18:05] <daveake_> Upu Have you sold any stuff to NASA yet?
[18:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: respect
[18:05] <Upu> lol actually yes and SpaceX
[18:05] <daveake_> Well there you go, that's close enough :)
[18:05] <arko> booya
[18:05] Action: SP9UOB-Tom knows someone from NASA ;-)
[18:05] <Upu> afk
[18:05] Action: arko knows someone at NASA
[18:05] <arko> RIGHT NOW
[18:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-)
[18:06] Action: daveake_ knows someone who knows someone at NASA
[18:06] <fsphil> mexican nasa or that other one?
[18:06] Action: arko should probably get back to work
[18:06] <daveake_> ah
[18:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: the loho has a typo, should be MASA
[18:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> anyway masa in polish means weight ;-)
[18:09] <arko> hah
[18:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> *logo
[18:09] <fsphil> "45kms!!!!!!!!!1live from space" -- they're parodying themselves now
[18:10] <arko> http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2009-title14-vol5/pdf/CFR-2009-title14-vol5-part1221-subpart1221-1.pdf
[18:12] <Guest21833> Is there anyone here that is willing to private chat who can answer my questions?
[18:12] <arko> Guest21833: did you see my link?
[18:12] <Guest21833> Np
[18:12] <arko> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html
[18:12] <Guest21833> *No
[18:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> Darkside: who is author of this picture: http://i.imgur.com/iylF4hy.png
[18:12] <arko> those guys sell the best
[18:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> err
[18:13] <Guest21833> Which one is the best for about 10-20 pounds?
[18:13] <daveake_> erm ...
[18:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake_: who is author of this picture: http://i.imgur.com/iylF4hy.png
[18:13] <arko> my experience with kaymont was terrible, i ordered from randomengineering and got the balloons same week
[18:13] <daveake_> ... I made it from a card I found online
[18:13] <arko> Guest21833: holy cow! 10-20pounds?
[18:13] <mattbrejza> Guest21833: http://habhub.org/calc/
[18:13] <arko> like weight?
[18:13] <arko> or british currency?
[18:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake_ can i post it on GSBC facebook ;-) ?
[18:14] <arko> 10-20 pound payload is pretty heavy
[18:14] <daveake_> pounds money or pounds as in weight?
[18:14] <arko> where in the US are you?
[18:14] <Guest21833> I'm sending up a probe with cameras, sensors, whole nine yards.
[18:14] <daveake_> SP9UOB-Tom, sure :)
[18:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> well,better not
[18:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> or...
[18:14] <daveake_> oh :(
[18:14] <daveake_> lol
[18:14] <Guest21833> Sorry, forgot i'm talking to brits, weight
[18:14] <arko> im in the US :)
[18:14] <arko> i was kidding around :P
[18:14] <daveake_> Well in that case the answer is "Why so heavy?"
[18:15] <Guest21833> I'm sending up a probe with cameras, sensors, whole nine yards.
[18:15] <daveake_> meh
[18:15] <Guest21833> Testing possible satellite
[18:15] <Upu> hand warmers X
[18:15] <daveake_> 1kg will get you 2/3 cameras and plenty of sensors
[18:15] <Upu> Byonics X
[18:15] <Upu> mustard seed X
[18:15] <daveake_> paint X
[18:16] <daveake_> canvas X
[18:16] <fsphil> planet X
[18:16] <Upu> :)
[18:16] <Guest21833> What about the metal frame? That should be pretty heavy also.
[18:16] <daveake_> WUT?
[18:16] <Guest21833> Not to mention the battery
[18:16] <fsphil> lol
[18:16] <arko> Guest21833: oh boy
[18:16] <fsphil> would you want that landing on your head?
[18:16] <arko> lets pm
[18:16] <daveake_> Where's my "not sure if serious" meme?
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[18:16] <arko> daveake_: haha
[18:17] <daveake_> If you were in the UK I'd say "please don't fly that anywhere near me", but as you're not, fill your boots :)
[18:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake_: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=878517102174053&set=o.1446743182222790&type=1&theater
[18:17] <daveake_> lol
[18:18] <arko> haha
[18:18] <fsphil> lol
[18:18] <arko> tom you are awesome
[18:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> im not affraid mexicans lol ;-)
[18:19] <fsphil> they're so high
[18:20] <daveake_> I ate one earlier
[18:20] <daveake_> https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10302639_10152072129992654_9085555626069223347_n.jpg
[18:21] <daveake_> and that was just for starters
[18:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: well im starving now, because of you ;-)
[18:21] <arko> omg i want nachos now
[18:22] <daveake_> haha*2
[18:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> well, time for supper
[18:23] <fsphil> I'm heading out to an indian restaurant shortly
[18:24] Action: fsphil puts the loo roll in the fridge
[18:27] <arko> oh god why did i pm him
[18:27] <x-f> to make the world a safer place
[18:27] <arko> :P
[18:27] <arko> im joke
[18:27] <arko> joking :)
[18:28] <x-f> "there's a truth in every joke" :)
[18:28] <arko> its really for safety
[18:29] <arko> wont want people getting hurt
[18:29] <daveake_> But only Americans will get hurt
[18:29] <daveake_> OK I see your point :p
[18:29] <arko> haha
[18:30] <fsphil> plenty of empty places in the US to drop things on
[18:30] <daveake_> Guest21833 Seriously, please don't fly anything anywhere near the sort of weights you mentioned, and especially not with a metal frame
[18:31] <daveake_> And if you do, let me know when it is, so I make sure I'm a) not underneath and b) not in a nearby plane
[18:31] <Guest21833> 3d print?
[18:31] <daveake_> soft lovely styrofoam
[18:32] <LeoBodnar> 4D is better as it adds time
[18:32] <Guest21833> I'm testing a cubesat
[18:33] <craag> 20 lbs
[18:33] <SIbot> In real units: 20 lbs = 9.1 kg
[18:33] <craag> wow
[18:33] <fsphil> yea
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> where's arko's landing gif?
[18:33] <arko> ?
[18:35] <fsphil> ah, the pico landing
[18:35] <arko> haha
[18:35] <arko> ohh that one
[18:35] <LeoBodnar> ye the piggo one
[18:35] <arko> thats not my payload leo :P
[18:35] <fsphil> I can't find it
[18:35] <LeoBodnar> i know
[18:37] <fsphil> https://i.imgur.com/36s5f.gif
[18:37] <fsphil> I lied
[18:38] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: I think he keeps starting to write a reply and gives up
[18:38] <arko> hahaha
[18:38] <arko> never gets old
[18:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: nice touchdown :-)
[18:39] <fsphil> I keep seeing "Raul Duran is writing" below your comment, then it disappears
[18:39] <Guest21833> Thank for the help guys. I'm off,
[18:40] <arko> laters!
[18:40] <fsphil> cya
[18:40] <mfa298> also where's Upu's Pico Americur ?
[18:41] <arko> that thing is a masterpiece
[18:41] <craag> SP9UOB-Tom: Raul has replied
[18:41] <fsphil> ah, there you go
[18:41] <craag> The satellite flyed 6180 seconds. If ascended to 7meter/second= 43200meters. The error 7%
[18:41] <fsphil> "The satellite flyed 6180 seconds. If ascended to 7meter/second= 43200meters. The error 7%"
[18:41] Action: mfa298 suspects even Pico Americur didn't weigh that much
[18:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> Result
[18:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> Burst Altitude: 31964 m Ascent Rate: 8.18 m/s
[18:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> Time to Burst: 65 min Neck Lift: 6643 g
[18:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> Volume: 8.42 m3 8421 L 297.4 ft3
[18:42] <SIbot> In real units: 4 ft = 1.22 m
[18:43] <daveake_> "The error 7%" wtf?
[18:43] <fsphil> yea what does that even mean
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> Wait - he's assuming a linear ascent and getting altitude from that?
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> lol
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[18:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> well hwoyee 2000 with 8 m/s ascend and 1.5 kg payload should burst at 32 km
[18:43] <daveake_> 32km is about where we think the previous flight got to
[18:44] <fsphil> makes sense
[18:45] <daveake_> Well, no GPS no Churros
[18:45] <LeoBodnar> is this how NASA does satellite launches?
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[18:45] <arko> nope
[18:45] <arko> thats how MASA does
[18:46] <arko> he's not nasa
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[18:50] <arko> do we have a video of the whole flight?
[18:52] <fsphil> you'd be lucky
[18:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> ....and gps sentences (as described here: http://www.balloonchallenge.org/challenges/)
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[18:53] <arko> well their screwed there
[18:53] <arko> they're*
[18:54] <daveake_> Yup. I mentioned that before. AIUI they just have the ardupilot and the received video from that
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[18:54] <fsphil> they might try and make some up
[18:55] <daveake_> possible
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[18:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: with sattelite positions? It is hard to fake
[18:56] <mattbrejza> they dont need raw nmea strings though?
[18:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> if they cant distinguish between gps altitude and pressure one
[18:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> also what was the QNH pressure at tha launch site :-)
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[19:03] <LeoBodnar> well they win "Best experiment" one for sure
[19:04] <mikestir> can anyone familiar with the Si4060 confirm that it's in a standard QFN package as per the CAD drawing in the datasheet, and contrary to all the pinout diagrams in the same datasheet?
[19:04] <nats`> what do yo umean by standard ?
[19:04] <mikestir> as in 5 accessible lands on each side
[19:05] <nats`> you mean the pad on the pcb ?
[19:05] <mikestir> the picture on the front page shows 4 lands on each side with an additional 4 corner pads underneath
[19:05] <nats`> you can make them longer yes
[19:05] <nats`> ohh nop
[19:05] <nats`> it's a standard one
[19:05] <nats`> let me take a picture
[19:05] <mikestir> ok. that would be reassuring
[19:05] <Upu> [20:03] <LeoBodnar> well they win "Best experiment" one for sure. Sure the experiment was how many nerds in other countries can we troll in one go
[19:05] <mikestir> it's a normal looking one on the eval board
[19:06] <LeoBodnar> mikestir: pinout is an artist's impression
[19:06] <nats`> http://imgur.com/O4PY9Xa
[19:06] <mikestir> LeoBodnar: it isn't - I've seen silabs devices in that package with the corner pads
[19:06] <nats`> mikestir yes sometim the corner pad is used
[19:06] <nats`> but that's really rare
[19:07] <nats`> it's usually more a forbidden area for routing
[19:07] <mikestir> I suspect their technical author just cocked it up and no one noticed!
[19:07] <Upu> haha go SP9UOB-Tom :)
[19:07] <LeoBodnar> it's carry-on from previous products
[19:07] <daveake_> lol SP9UOB-Tom
[19:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: im polishing my english ;-)
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> haha well punned
[19:08] <daveake_> :)
[19:08] <Upu> better than my English Tom
[19:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: i wish
[19:09] <LeoBodnar> i am not rushing to join in
[19:09] <Upu> I'm from Yorkshire we don't speak English here
[19:09] <daveake_> true
[19:09] <Upu> just let them post some more rubbish
[19:09] <Upu> and then unleash Ed
[19:09] <Upu> and just sit back with pop corn
[19:09] <Upu> thats my plan
[19:09] <daveake_> :)
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[19:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: as i recall you was translating Steve's english to english for me at the conference :-)
[19:10] <Upu> was I ?
[19:10] <nats`> where is the troll ?!
[19:10] <nats`> I love troll
[19:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: yes
[19:10] <fsphil> almost worth registering on another site I'll only ever use once
[19:10] <Upu> well better than my Polish I guess
[19:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: i'll promise, i wil teach you some words at the conference :) After 4-5 beers you will be fluent speaker :-)
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[19:12] <Upu> haha my friends wife tried to teach me some polish (she's Polish) didn't end well
[19:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> lol
[19:12] <sp2ipt> SP9UOB-Tom: start with the bad words - it's easier :)
[19:12] <Upu> sp2ipt have you spent time in England ?
[19:13] <sp2ipt> Upu: no
[19:13] <Upu> yours and Toms english is really good
[19:13] <Upu> Artur's not so good
[19:13] <Upu> I just wondered
[19:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> nice to hear
[19:14] <sp2ipt> Upu: I've learnt for a few years but didn't live abroad
[19:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have more problems with speaking
[19:14] <Upu> both of you seem to get our silly humour
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[19:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: i love english humour ;-)
[19:15] <sp2ipt> silly humour is international :)
[19:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> sp2ipt: right
[19:15] <Upu> indeed
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> are you serious?
[19:16] <sp2ipt> oh but of course not ;)
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> infinite loop detected
[19:17] <sp2ipt> shoud've used -Wall
[19:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> sp2ipt: is there "Mis" or "killer" with english subtitles? We should show them real nonsence ;-)
[19:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> sp2ipt: "Alternatywy 4" should fit best ;-)
[19:19] <sp2ipt> dunno, maybe but it won't be easy for them to understand :)
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[19:34] <sp2ipt> take a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtlO689b4yk (turn on the annotations - there should be subtitles)
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[19:46] <LeoBodnar> ulfr can you receive 434.500 USB from B-46?
[19:46] <adamgreig> eroomde: oh nice, that's nice
[19:46] <adamgreig> like 3.4
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[19:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
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[20:05] <ulfr> LeoBodnar: unfortunately no
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> ah, ok
[20:06] <ulfr> But I'm going to the club in few minutes, perhaps I can figure something out there.
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[20:08] <LeoBodnar> ok
[20:08] <LeoBodnar> transmissions are every 4 minutes now
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[20:15] <Laurenceb_> does the APRS log work?
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> yes, waiting for it to come to the right point
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[20:17] <bertrik> the lyrids meteor shower should be active now
[20:19] <sp2ipt> it it but not much rocks today here :/
[20:20] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: how often does it transmit?
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> this is stupid
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/pitft-mini-kit-320x240-2-8-tft-touchscreen-for-raspberry-pi.html
[20:24] <Laurenceb_> all because theres no CSI driver
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[20:25] <mattbrejza> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2135028730/piscreen-a-35-tft-with-touchscreen-for-the-raspber
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[20:29] <LeoBodnar> each 8 APRS sentences
[20:35] <nats`> mattbrejza 82k$ for that....
[20:35] <Laurenceb_> its still sunny up there
[20:36] <mattbrejza> has this been posted here yet? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/raptorbird/programmable-capacitor?ref=live
[20:37] <nats`> ohh my god !
[20:37] <Upu> oh yes :)
[20:37] <nats`> this is fucking awesome
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[20:37] <nats`> a +-400000% variable cap !
[20:37] <Upu> it has been "discussed" :)
[20:37] <Upu> "actual results may vary"
[20:38] <nats`> the best is the introductory sentence......
[20:39] <nats`> Humanity has always blossomed when makers and tinkerers got their hands on the right tools to design a better world. <= better world with nothing above 1MHz
[20:39] <nats`> :D
[20:44] <mikestir> wtf is that for? I think a calculator would be a better investment
[20:45] <LeoBodnar> it's an inwastement
[20:45] <nats`> I note the concept LeoBodnar
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> the worst thing is that it will encourage the guy to design more shit
[20:46] <mattbrejza> its actually quite hard to come up with such useless crap that people will buy, quite a skill
[20:46] <mattbrejza> master it and become rick
[20:46] <mattbrejza> rich
[20:47] <mikestir> hold on. does it really go down to 0.1pF?
[20:47] <Upu> yeah thats the capacitance of the switches probably
[20:47] <nats`> mikestir yes yes...
[20:47] <nats`> it's guaranted
[20:47] <nats`> for that you remove the board and you put your hand 10cm away :p
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[20:52] <daveake_> Someone's taking the cera-mick
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[20:53] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi
[20:54] <Upu> halo Sven
[20:54] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi anthony
[20:54] <DL7AD_mobile> Congrats LeoBodnar
[20:54] <DL7AD_mobile> To b46
[20:54] <Upu> Could be coming back to Europe
[20:55] <DL7AD_mobile> Any gif predictions?
[20:55] <Upu> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/150984_trj001.gif
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[20:56] <DL7AD_mobile> Wow
[20:56] <DL7AD_mobile> Second arctic challenge
[20:57] <sp2ipt> DL7AD_mobile: hi
[20:57] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi sp2ipt :(
[20:57] <DL7AD_mobile> :)
[20:58] <sp2ipt> bertrik: made only 1 qso (UR3EE), didn't make IK0BZY though
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[20:58] <DL7AD_mobile> Stupid touchscreen ^^
[20:58] <sp2ipt> :)
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[20:59] <sp2ipt> off to bed, gn all
[21:00] <Upu> night
[21:00] <DL7AD_mobile> Gn
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[21:05] <DL7AD_mobile> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k39f8qr7d3md7vk/IMG_20140422_230402.jpg waiting for königswusterhausen
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[21:11] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi Lunar_Lander
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> hi
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[21:12] <DL7AD_mobile> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k39f8qr7d3md7vk/IMG_20140422_230402.jpg
[21:13] <DL7AD_mobile> Good. But still on the way home
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:14] <DL7AD_mobile> *rollingeyes*
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> hm well waiting is bad
[21:19] <ulfr> LeoBodnar: listening on 434.5MHz
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[21:23] <ulfr> of course, someone set up the yagi incorrect, so I pointed it in east instead of west.
[21:23] <ulfr> or the controller, that is.
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[21:24] <DL7AD_mobile2> ulfr are you located in island?
[21:24] <ulfr> yeah
[21:24] <ulfr> Reykjavik, to be exact.
[21:24] <ulfr> I'm at club, TF3IRA at the moment.
[21:24] <DL7AD_mobile2> I cant see you on the map
[21:25] <DL7AD_mobile2> At spacenear.us
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[21:25] <ulfr> not at that point yet!
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[21:25] <ulfr> just got fldigi up and the radio.
[21:26] <ulfr> I have no idea what I'm doing here...
[21:26] <DL7AD_mobile2> Dl fldigi hopefully in hab mode?
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[21:27] <DL7AD_mobile2> ulfr did you launch dlfldigi in hab mode?
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[21:30] <ulfr> dl fldigi?
[21:30] <ulfr> I see
[21:30] <DL7AD_mobile2> Wait... im at home in 10min
[21:31] <DL7AD_mobile2> Try to find dl-fldigi at ukhas page
[21:31] <ulfr> yeah, I found it, but unsure what version
[21:31] <ulfr> I'm running mac os x btw
[21:32] <DL7AD_mobile2> Ah np there is one fir osx
[21:34] <ulfr> well, got it running, but hab mode?
[21:35] <DL7AD_mobile2> Kkqqoop
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[21:36] <DL7AD> ulfr: reached home!
[21:37] <DL7AD> from which webpage did you download dl-fldigi?
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[21:37] <DL7AD> ulfr: which osx are you running?
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[21:39] <ulfr> Mavericks
[21:39] <ulfr> 10.9
[21:39] <ulfr> But I got it running, but do I start it from terminal to put in hab mode?
[21:40] <DL7AD_> dont care about on osx
[21:40] <DL7AD_> because on osx you will launch automatically hab mode
[21:40] <DL7AD_> but on windows its different
[21:40] <ulfr> ok
[21:40] <DL7AD_> on windows they have 2 modes. on osx just one which is already the right one
[21:41] <DL7AD_> did the wizard start when launching dlfldigi?
[21:41] <ulfr> it's on Contestia 8/250
[21:41] <ulfr> yeah
[21:41] <DL7AD_> cool
[21:41] <ulfr> I set my callsign TF2SUT
[21:41] <DL7AD_> cool.
[21:41] <DL7AD_> dont care about grid and so on
[21:41] <DL7AD_> tell me when you finished the wizard
[21:41] <ulfr> done
[21:42] <DL7AD_> okay
[21:42] <DL7AD_> we need to set your coordinates
[21:42] <DL7AD_> that you will appear on the map
[21:42] <DL7AD_> go to Menu - DL Client - Configure
[21:43] <DL7AD_> did a new window open?
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[21:43] <ulfr> just see a configure tab in the menu bar
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[21:43] <ulfr> "operator" etc
[21:43] <DL7AD> take this tab. upper tab = DL Client, lower tab = Location
[21:44] <DL7AD> then set your location in decimal format
[21:44] <DL7AD> e.g. latitude = 52.4635 lon = 13.4625
[21:45] <DL7AD> got it?
[21:46] <ulfr> hm
[21:46] <ulfr> can't find it
[21:46] <ulfr> menu is different, perhaps?
[21:46] <DL7AD> do you have skype?
[21:46] <ulfr> 'fldigi configuration' gives me 'operator' 'ui' 'Waterfall'
[21:46] <ulfr> ulfrthor
[21:46] <ulfr> is my skype
[21:59] <DL7AD> ping Upu
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[22:02] <DL7AD> does anyone have OSX?
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[22:02] <Upu> not me
[22:02] <Upu> can you hear the transmission ulfr ?
[22:02] <Upu> on the radio
[22:02] <DL7AD> hm we are not sure
[22:03] <DL7AD> the osx versions are crashing everytime
[22:04] <amell> I have OSX, I live and breath OSX.
[22:04] <amell> only OSX and Linux are allowed in my abode.
[22:04] <Upu> my condolences
[22:05] <amell> are you talking about dl-fldigi?
[22:05] <jcims> has anyone done any (hobby grade) experimentation with active stabilization for onboard cameras? (e.g. brushless gimbals)
[22:06] <Upu> yes babs
[22:06] <amell> i think babs was doing something cool in that area. definately not hobby grade though
[22:06] <amell> from what i saw it was industrial standard.
[22:06] <Upu> have a scoot round his flickr : https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/
[22:06] <jcims> is there a project name/page i could look at?
[22:06] <jcims> great, thanks!
[22:07] <Upu> he comes on here occasionally
[22:07] <amell> That is a lot of kit for a dog walker to nick :(
[22:07] <Upu> I like this pic : https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/8858695548/
[22:08] Nick change: RaptorJesus_ -> RaptorJesus
[22:09] <arko> hahaha
[22:09] <arko> thats the greatest
[22:09] <jcims> Upu: lol, nice!
[22:09] <amell> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/11908304885/in/photostream/ - what is the copper round the LEDs for?
[22:09] <Upu> switches probably
[22:09] <Upu> illuminated switches
[22:10] <Upu> thats the inside of a spot I think
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[22:10] <Upu> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/11908301985/in/photostream/
[22:10] <amell> ah. got it
[22:10] <jcims> completely off topic but that flickr page is bringing chrome to its knees on a i7 quad core with 16GB of ram
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[22:12] <amell> just looking at HAB reentry video at https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/8845053028/in/photostream/ - how to get a stable smooth reentry - aerodynamic capsule perhaps?
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[22:15] <jcims> Upu: wow, some great ideas in this set, thank you!
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[22:16] <Upu> that was gryro stablised amell
[22:16] <Upu> next one is active I think
[22:16] <jcims> it looks like he has a 3 axis gimbal (alexmos variety) in the latest pics
[22:17] <Upu> right night all
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> night Upu
[22:22] <jcims> mote
[22:22] <jcims> lol, nite
[22:25] <ulfr> Yay!
[22:25] <ulfr> got position on aprs.
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[22:29] <amell> which loon?
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[22:33] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: we need backlog :P
[22:33] <LeoBodnar> it's coming slowly
[22:33] <LeoBodnar> now at 22:00 on 20//04/14
[22:33] <amell> oh you heard b-46 in iceland. that is awesome. just seen.
[22:34] <Laurenceb_> heh i hope we get it all
[22:34] <nats`> nite nerdz !
[22:34] <amell> seems to be a spurious position on snus off ireland. strange.
[22:34] <LeoBodnar> it's a backlog point
[22:35] <LeoBodnar> snus gets confused
[22:35] <amell> so snus will adjust the line as backlog points come in? cool. How often does backlog tx and how long for?
[22:35] <LeoBodnar> it's live tracking + backlog + APRS import
[22:35] <LeoBodnar> i don't blame it
[22:35] <amell> damn, you will need a supercomputer in your ballloon before long.
[22:36] <amell> These comments in snus - what do they contain?
[22:36] <LeoBodnar> it's part of compressed telemtry, just artefacts
[22:37] <Laurenceb_> ! LaTeX Error: Option clash for package caption.
[22:37] <Laurenceb_> argggggggggggggggg
[22:37] <Laurenceb_> funtimes
[22:37] <amell> APRS in greenland? :)
[22:40] <Laurenceb_> hmf i havent a clue whats wrong here
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[22:52] <Laurenceb_> any gurus here?
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> im trying to include a document or something...
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> ive kind of lost track of what i hope to achieve in all the epic fail
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