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[05:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> morning
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[05:56] <jcoxon> Who has put B45 over ind8a?
[05:56] <jcoxon> And put estimated position, i got all excited...
[05:57] <Darkside> mm
[05:59] <jcoxon> Not cool
[06:00] <arko> someone in india actually picked it up
[06:00] <arko> jcoxon:
[06:01] <arko> ^
[06:01] <jcoxon> Couldnt actually see it on aprs
[06:01] <arko> apparently they picked it up on a handheld
[06:01] <Upu> no it was picked up on a handheld
[06:01] <arko> ha
[06:02] <arko> super cool
[06:02] <Upu> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0ZXcD534JGeNDhyVUlwNXl5RllJOFFVOEdxTFpZdk9aR0l3/edit?pli=1
[06:02] <Darkside> interesting
[06:03] <arko> based on weather predictions it should be reaching the south of japan no?
[06:03] <arko> hopefully...
[06:04] <jcoxon> Okay
[06:04] <jcoxon> Then thats awesome
[06:04] <jcoxon> not annoyed now
[06:04] <arko> hehe
[06:08] <jcoxon> Did they email in?
[06:15] <Upu> not sure how they got in contact
[06:15] <Upu> but all the telemetry matched so Leo uploaded
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[06:29] <jcoxon> Awesome just read zeusbot log
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[07:13] <mfa298> nats`: reading scrollback, I've used a flash forge 3D printer and whilst they can do a reasonable job it can take a lot of time and several attempts to get something suitable. You may also need to clean up what comes off the printer
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[07:38] <SpeedEvil> It depends what you want.
[07:38] <SpeedEvil> If you want a physically acceptable case that encloses the PCB and secures it and provides mounting spots for whatever - that's one thing.
[07:39] <SpeedEvil> If you want a cosmetically good case, that's very much another
[07:42] <mfa298> I've just been doing physically acceptable mountings for Pi+Camera. As long as you take into account the tolerances and what the printer can do it could be reasonable. But if you make a 2mm slot and a 2mm part to go into it they probably wont fit together.
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[07:54] <SpeedEvil> Then again.
[07:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS Tjena, i have some very deep qsb on SR0FLY, how is the signal in Sweden?
[07:55] <SpeedEvil> It can be better to print oversize, and just file off the last .5mm to get a nice flat
[07:55] <SA6BSS> hi, its verry good, 25db s/n and stable
[07:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I gess its the angle then
[07:55] <SA6BSS> peeking 28db s/n
[07:55] <SA6BSS> jepp
[07:57] <SA6BSS> what antenna are you using
[07:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> comet gp9n
[07:57] <SA6BSS> ok
[07:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> it has a very flat pattern
[07:59] <SA6BSS> yes, can se that you usuly recive vell outside blue circle so it must be quite flat
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[08:12] <mfa298> looks like B-46 is starting to be picked up on the south coast again
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[08:19] <PE2G> B-46 will move towards the south coast according the pred: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/196611_trj001.gif
[08:21] <mfa298> I think it went a bit further south in france compared to last nights predictions so I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up following the water up instead of going onto land
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[08:22] <PE2G> I that were to become true, I'd have chance of receiving it :)
[08:23] <jcoxon> Hey number10
[08:23] <number10> Hi jcoxon - how are
[08:24] <number10> fine
[08:28] <PE2G> Herstmonceux 00Z wind was 105 deg at 66 kn at 8500 m
[08:28] <PE2G> http://weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?region=europe&TYPE=TEXT%3ALIST&YEAR=2014&MONTH=04&FROM=2000&TO=2000&STNM=03882
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[08:52] <SA6BSS> switched to rtl dongle modified per this http://webzoom.freewebs.com/g8jnj/Dongle%20mods.png , working suprisingly well compared to the 817
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[08:56] <craag> SA6BSS: We use those on the websdr, does reduce the noise by a good amount!
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[09:16] <malgar> any launches today?
[09:17] <nats`> wtf with b46 :D
[09:17] <eroomde> jesus's spirit
[09:17] <eroomde> >40km
[09:27] <bertrik> nats`: it's homesick :)
[09:27] <sp2ipt> SA6BSS: did you make any experiments with external clock? I've put Meiden TCXO 14,4 doubled to 28,8 wich ICS511 but the harmonics from LO are waaaay to big :/ The device sometimes stops working and I have to unplug it
[09:28] <nats`> bertrik yep or he's bipolar :D
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[09:31] <SA6BSS> sp2ipt: no, I haven´t . tried direct conversion and also a builtin upconverter similar to kn0ck
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[09:36] <sp2ipt> SA6BSS: I wanted to make one LO for the dongle and upconverter - it'll work but 14,4 TCXO bought for a 144 MHz marker works brilliant this way ;)
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[09:36] <sp2ipt> SA6BSS: screened separate parts of the case filled with rf absorbing material, power supply wires in ferrite beads and so on don't help :/
[09:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-46 prediction for today http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_197984&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
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[09:47] <fsphil> B-46 going hom?
[09:47] <fsphil> e
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[09:59] <lbm> OZ1SKY_Brian: Around?
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[10:11] <amell> jcoxon: did you see the pic of the person who heard B-45? :)
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[10:13] <amell> for those who missed it, here is the Indian HAB chase bike again http://files.qrz.com/e/vu2mue/VU2MUE_for_QRZ_com.jpg
[10:13] <Darkside> oh lol
[10:13] <Darkside> i know that antenna
[10:13] <Darkside> its a biiig diamond antnna
[10:14] <amell> is it legal to mount these to bikes in the UK?
[10:14] <amell> I wonder.
[10:15] <sp2ipt_> Darkside: it's not that big :) I've used SG-7900 (2,5m length 2/70) on land rover defender :)
[10:15] <Darkside> hhe
[10:15] <amell> Geoff-G8DHE: did you calculate the distance travelled for B-45 yet?
[10:15] <Darkside> it would break my mount off
[10:15] <sp2ipt_> Darkside: a friend uses some diamond 2m antenna almost 3m lenght on ford mondeo :D
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup its in the folder
[10:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> 14463Km AIR
[10:16] <amell> Is that a new HAB distance travelled world record?
[10:16] <sp2ipt_> Darkside: when people see his car the heads start to go from the car up, up, up, up and the faces get more funny look with each second :)
[10:17] <amell> 10,035,869.18 m 6,236.00 miles is the current record.
[10:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> No idea, nor how they calculate the distance, it might be great circle from launch to last position don't know
[10:17] <mattbrejza> if thats the antenna i think it is, we've used it to chase
[10:17] <amell> it is great circle.
[10:17] <mattbrejza> its a 50MHz/144MHz/434MHz thing, about 170cm tall
[10:17] <amell> so we need to calculate great circle distance.
[10:18] <Darkside> mattbrejza: this one isnt 6m
[10:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> I don't know HOW its classed
[10:18] <Darkside> only 2/70
[10:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> only gussing at other possibilities
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[10:18] <mattbrejza> oh right, although i guess all tall antennas look the same :P
[10:18] <sp2ipt_> Darkside: I've had to mount it on the roof ;)
[10:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> In which case one second
[10:19] <mattbrejza> its 7dBi gain on 70cm though
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> 4,174Km is the ground length from GE
[10:20] <amell> so B-45 is now 5th longest HAB flight
[10:21] <amell> beats B-11
[10:21] <sp2ipt_> http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/images/zawody_fm/IMG_20140208_122911.jpg ;) but that's x510 on local fm cup :D
[10:21] <amell> Not sure where SEBA-6 went.
[10:22] <amell> B-45 has clearly entered the record book.
[10:22] <LeoBodnar> morn
[10:22] <amell> next longest is 5410km and 5570km
[10:22] <LeoBodnar> longest as in start to last point?
[10:23] <amell> so if B-45 reports in again, it will probably be 3rd longest HAB flight.
[10:23] <amell> yep. great circle distance
[10:24] <amell> leobodnar: nice one. Just need to beat the CNSP folks now ;)
[10:24] <amell> Leobodnar: Maybe you need to take a vacation to california and let a few off.
[10:25] <LeoBodnar> [14:06] <LeoBodnar> B-45 Great Circle Distance: 6702 km
[10:25] <amell> Geoff-G8DHE: can you explain the discrepancy? :)
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[10:25] <LeoBodnar> did i get it wrong?
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[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thats why I reported the distance as GE Ground Distance :-) Its what they claim it is
[10:26] <amell> Longest Great Circle Distance, Release to Touchdown
[10:26] <amell> which implies recovery is required? hmm. but B-11 is on the list.
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[10:28] <LeoBodnar> http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-45/distance.png
[10:28] <amell> so third longest HAB flight.
[10:28] <DL7AD> morning!
[10:29] <DL7AD> gurgalof: ping
[10:29] <LeoBodnar> maybe calculator is dodgy http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah my error that was Miles in Km's its 6716.6f Km
[10:30] <amell> excellent. we have concurrence :)
[10:30] <LeoBodnar> you should work for a space agency Geoff XD
[10:30] <amell> Russian space agency preferably.
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> I shoudn't try doing several things at once !
[10:30] <amell> Im sure they need a few more Geoffs.
[10:30] <LeoBodnar> where's sibot when you need it?
[10:31] <amell> Leobodnar: are you going to submit it for a record now, or wait to see if its heard again?
[10:33] <LeoBodnar> no rush :D
[10:34] <LeoBodnar> wait, if does RTW we are screwed
[10:34] <LeoBodnar> distance will start to decrease
[10:34] <LeoBodnar> lol
[10:34] <LeoBodnar> that's ironic
[10:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> I must admit GCD seems a bit odd to use rather than flight distance but I guess in the past the actual tracked path wasn't always available ?
[10:35] <LeoBodnar> s/RTW/travel over 180 degrees/
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[10:38] <amell> any hams in China/Korea we can email to ask them to listen?
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[10:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ibm i am now
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[10:42] <Maxell> bertrik: RevSpace is ready to RX!
[10:42] <lbm> OZ1SKY_Brian: I messaged you.
[10:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> R
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[10:57] <PE2G> Essen 12Z wx balloon: http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FPE2G-11&timerange=10800&tail=10800
[10:57] <gurgalof> DL7AD: pong
[10:58] <DL7AD> gurgalof: did you get your station already ready?
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[11:00] <gurgalof> DL7AD: sorry no, but stuff is starting to get where they are supposed to be at least
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[11:42] <DL7AD> hm..... seems to be this channel is bored.
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[11:43] <mfa298> we need more balloons.
[11:45] <gurgalof> easterballoons :P
[11:49] <es5nhc> Whoa! So B45 made it as far away as India?
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[11:50] <Maxell> es5nhc: no, thats based on calculations
[11:50] <Maxell> Done by VU2MUE :)
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[11:51] <es5nhc> Ah
[11:52] <gurgalof> I have to go now, have stuff to do today
[11:52] <g0azs> Hello. Not sure if I should be hearing B-46. Not getting anything on 434.500 on the dial. Is that close enough or can someone suggest the actual dial frequency. Thanks.
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[11:53] <Maxell> g0azs: no, B-baloons are most of the time spot on.
[11:53] <Maxell> It might take a few minutes untill a data packets comes by
[11:54] <LeoBodnar> Maxell: this is not based on calculations this was real telemetry received
[11:54] <mfa298> it was pretty much on .500 yesterday
[11:54] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: oh?
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> <<2014-04-20T11:52Z Contestia @ 434500397+1000>>
[11:54] <g0azs> OK thanks. Been listening for a while but I think The Chilterns are in the way.
[11:54] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: the comment said "Estimated position"
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> The VU2MUE reprort was recieved on a radio and not calculated, there is a photo showing the details!
[11:55] <LeoBodnar> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ZXcD534JGeNDhyVUlwNXl5RllJOFFVOEdxTFpZdk9aR0l3/edit?usp=sharing
[11:55] <Darkside> where are the rest of the pictures
[11:55] <Darkside> showing the callsign, etc
[11:55] <LeoBodnar> well ask VU2MUE why hi put *estimated* XD
[11:56] <Maxell> OK, sick!
[11:56] <Maxell> Too bad he wasn't igating :(
[11:56] <LeoBodnar> Darkside: do you mean there is still some doubt?
[11:57] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: well, i'd like to see the full packt
[11:57] <Darkside> but whatevs
[11:57] <DL7AD> Darkside: ping
[11:57] <DL7AD> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ZXcD534JGeNDhyVUlwNXl5RllJOFFVOEdxTFpZdk9aR0l3/edit?usp=sharing
[11:57] <DL7AD> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ZXcD534JGeSG9BbktSRnBfcHBWclBNOVN1aEViOGpGWDVV/edit?usp=sharing
[11:57] <DL7AD> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ZXcD534JGeZmZjQWZyeDRYcTdKa045a0gxWV9MbGZNeFFv/edit?usp=sharing
[11:57] <DL7AD> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ZXcD534JGeR25SOUZKMWpaeWJDWG5lSWpodXc1bDJZYXg0/edit?usp=sharing
[11:57] <LeoBodnar> the compressed telemtry could not have been faked without inside knowledge
[11:58] <Darkside> ok thats a bit bettter
[11:58] <Darkside> :-)
[11:58] <Darkside> cool
[11:58] <LeoBodnar> it contains telemtry record number
[11:58] <LeoBodnar> that has actually overflowed after 8196 , etc
[11:58] <LeoBodnar> lots of authentic details
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[12:17] <Herman-PB0AHX> GA all
[12:18] <DL7AD> hi Herman-PB0AHX
[12:18] <Herman-PB0AHX> DL7AD: hi hi
[12:18] <Jededu> Just made this for the dongle I was suffering with lots of RFI works amazingly well http://www.primarypi.co.uk/images/rfi.JPG
[12:18] <Herman-PB0AHX> LeoBodnar: Leo u call B46 back hihihi lol
[12:19] <Darkside> Jededu: wat
[12:19] <Darkside> is that a roll of coax?
[12:19] <Jededu> Yes
[12:19] <Darkside> cable loss much
[12:19] <Darkside> that looks like 10-20m of RG58?
[12:20] <Darkside> or is it RG174
[12:20] <Jededu> Its only connected to the sheild on the dongle
[12:20] <Jededu> rg6
[12:20] <Darkside> err what?
[12:20] <Darkside> im still not sure how thats writed up
[12:20] <Darkside> wired*
[12:20] <mfa298> well that much loss might help reduce rfi from external sources
[12:20] <Jededu> http://www.sdrformariners.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/reducing-electrical-noise.html
[12:21] <Jededu> It works the waterfall is clear with no antenna attached
[12:21] <Jededu> before it was a right mess
[12:21] <Darkside> oh so its a big choke in the power rail
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[12:24] <Jededu> And dongle is wrapped in foil
[12:24] <Darkside> mm ok
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[12:35] <LeoBodnar> why weather stations are such a big fuss on APRS, i fail to see any point
[12:35] <LeoBodnar> it's a solution for the problem that does not exist
[12:35] <LeoBodnar> most of them are TCP/IP anyway
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[12:36] <LeoBodnar> so you can't receive local weather on RF
[12:36] <LeoBodnar> am i missing siomething big and important?
[12:38] <Laurenceb> dunno lol
[12:38] <Laurenceb> sis SP3OSJ die overnight?
[12:38] <Laurenceb> *did
[12:38] <Laurenceb> oh , battery died
[12:38] <sp2ipt> LeoBodnar: because when a disaster comes almost everything else is useless
[12:39] <sp2ipt> LeoBodnar: we have regions where floods make big mess and sometimes HAMs are the only people who can communicate :/
[12:39] <LeoBodnar> these WX stations will be wiped out as they communicate over internet
[12:39] <LeoBodnar> somebody just grabs data from weather.com and uploads to APRS-IS
[12:40] <sp2ipt> they do communicate their measurements via RF tcp/ip is just an addidion
[12:40] <sp2ipt> LeoBodnar: http://sr0wx.ostol.pl you'll have to use a translator though
[12:40] <LeoBodnar> Look at Kazakhstan
[12:41] <LeoBodnar> not a single igate or digi in sight
[12:41] <LeoBodnar> but lost of lovely WX Mickey Mouse APRS stations
[12:42] <sp2ipt> well that's plain insane ;) but the idea behind weather stations is great
[12:43] <amell> the point of aprs wx is that it is a backup for the internet. If there is a nuclear holocaust and theres no internet, youd still be able to work out whether its going to rain or not.
[12:43] <amell> In the UK this is particularly important.
[12:43] <Laurenceb> or not
[12:44] <Laurenceb> as the stations use internet
[12:44] <LeoBodnar> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=8&call=a%2FUTDL&others=1&timerange=3600&tail=3600 and 1000 km around
[12:45] <LeoBodnar> yeah somebody completely misunderstood the concept
[12:45] <amell> why does aprs need igate to operate? I dont see it. Its a nice to have.
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[12:46] <LeoBodnar> it does not
[12:46] <LeoBodnar> but you would have to be on RF to see what's going on
[12:47] <Laurenceb> B-46 doing a boomerang
[12:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> LeoBodnar: B46 will be back to u fun
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[12:50] <amell> DL7AD: did the nepal guy hear anything yet?
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[12:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> happy Easter!
[12:58] <sp2ipt> SP9UOB-Tom: hi
[12:58] <LeoBodnar> hi Tom
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[12:59] <iain_g4sgx> Easter Mubarak Everyone. (Just to be inclusive.) Will try to track b-46 on its fly past, never tracked contesa before, how often is it tx'ing?
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[13:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[13:17] <Lunar_Lander> happy easter
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[13:26] <LeoBodnar> every minute roughly iain_g4sgx
[13:28] <Upu> just noticed my radio is getting partials
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[13:44] <Jededu> Is there a prediction for B-46
[13:45] <DL7AD> amell: we did not have any receivers in nepal. i know they have umts at mt. everest but no amateur radio :( *cry*
[13:46] <Laurenceb> B-45 would be past there by now
[13:48] <DL7AD> indeed
[13:49] <DL7AD> calculated it will arrive 2030Z in Beijing today
[13:52] <DL7AD> welcome back B-46
[13:53] <malgar> :D boomerang balloon
[13:54] <amell> APRS in Beijing?
[13:55] <LeoBodnar> Darkside: callsign http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-45/01M0XER-5%20received%20at%20New%20Delhi%20India%20VX%208DR.jpg
[13:56] <DL7AD> amell: yes there is
[13:56] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: cool
[13:56] <Upu> unusual enough for him to take a pic :)
[13:57] <LeoBodnar> something is up with speed, telemetry actually does not have it
[13:58] <amell> speed relative to his location perhaps?
[13:58] <amell> 103.8km distance
[13:59] <LeoBodnar> not sure, it's deduced somehow and is obviously incorrect
[13:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> amell: there is at least one my dsDIGI in Beijing: http://aprs.fi/info/a/BG1HTH-1 :-)
[14:00] <LeoBodnar> Tom did you make a better version based on dsPIC33?
[14:00] <Darkside> im not sure APRS frequencies are consistent in asia
[14:00] <Darkside> like, we have 145.175MHz here, but in indonesia its something different
[14:00] <Darkside> and further north, dunno
[14:00] <LeoBodnar> I have lost interest after I beat that other guy decoding algorithm
[14:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> Darkside: 144.640Mhz/1200bps DIY dspDIGI
[14:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> Darkside: http://aprs.fi/info/a/BG1HTH-1
[14:01] <Darkside> yes
[14:01] <Darkside> so different from surrounding countries
[14:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: ;-)
[14:01] <Darkside> makes it a bit harder to do frquency hopping
[14:01] <Darkside> you cant just go from R2 to R3 frequency
[14:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: i have board ready, algo is working
[14:02] <LeoBodnar> nice
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[14:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: but no time (im building a house)
[14:02] <LeoBodnar> Upu was interested
[14:02] <Upu> whats that ?
[14:02] <LeoBodnar> do you have a pic?
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[14:02] <Laurenceb> whats this decoding algorithm?
[14:03] <LeoBodnar> he is trying RPi digi and does not going according to plan
[14:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb: some sort of correlation
[14:03] <Upu> oh yeah very frustrating
[14:03] <Upu> I've ordered a board for the Pi
[14:03] <Upu> and a UV-5R which has gone missing
[14:03] <LeoBodnar> so your digi would be ideal paired with RPi
[14:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: "old" version is here: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dstnc.html
[14:04] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[14:04] <LeoBodnar> seen that
[14:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> new wersion - wait a while :-)
[14:04] <Upu> I ordered one of these : http://tnc-x.com/TNCPi.htm
[14:04] <Darkside> hrm, is the UV-5R's audio output suitable for APRS reception?
[14:04] <Upu> I have a PACCOM Tiny-2 TNC here
[14:04] <Upu> no idea Darkside
[14:04] <Darkside> i wasnt sure if the internal processing killed the data
[14:05] <Upu> but wanted one anyway
[14:05] <Darkside> yeah, i ordered 2 the other day :P
[14:05] <Upu> this http://www.kubonweb.de/?p=130
[14:05] <Upu> would be perfect
[14:05] <Darkside> wanted handhelds i can throw around
[14:05] <Upu> apart from it doesn't actually work
[14:06] <Darkside> mm we made one with a opentrackr USB and a rpi
[14:06] <Darkside> and some old handheld
[14:06] <Darkside> opentracker USB's are quite nice BTW
[14:06] <Upu> one of those annoying should be easy but is proving far from it
[14:07] <Darkside> i'v had far more success with offboard TNC's than software TNCs
[14:07] <Upu> yeah that was my theory
[14:08] <Darkside> in my car is a Opentracker USB and an old kenwood handheld, i've worked the ISS with it multiple times
[14:09] <Darkside> the kenwood hanheld only draws about 40mA on idle, which is nice
[14:09] <Darkside> not as good as some old Icom handhelds, from what I hear, but still good
[14:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dstnc/20140420_160607.jpg
[14:10] <LeoBodnar> oh switched capacitors filter
[14:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dstnc/20140420_160617.jpg
[14:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: no, 150kHz oversampling
[14:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> low pass FIR on the frontend
[14:11] <LeoBodnar> optocouplers?
[14:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> in fact decimation filter
[14:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: on the right side?
[14:12] <LeoBodnar> or opamps?
[14:12] <LeoBodnar> yeah on the right
[14:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: no PSU 3v3 and 5v
[14:12] <LeoBodnar> Ah i see
[14:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: this is in fact my development boart
[14:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: this is in fact my development board
[14:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> i want to add ethernet interface
[14:13] <LeoBodnar> duh. 8-DIP, inductor and a diode, what else but an optocopler
[14:13] <LeoBodnar> lol
[14:13] <LeoBodnar> fail
[14:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> ;-)
[14:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> this pic has 16 bit DAC
[14:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> no PWM anymore
[14:14] <LeoBodnar> yeah they have audiodacs
[14:24] <malgar> SP9UOB-Tom: did you recover the balloon?
[14:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> malgar: im waiting for info from Czech friends
[14:26] <malgar> ok
[14:26] <malgar> how much far it is from your location?
[14:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> about 3 hours of driving
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[14:42] <M1DLG> B46 nice and loud right now.
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[14:55] <Laurenceb> i wonder if it could be spotted with a telescope
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[15:04] <Laurenceb> SR0FLY about to SR0DIE
[15:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah im also wondering about that voltage
[15:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but rtty/cw still sounds fine
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[15:07] <SA6BSS> jepp, sounds fine and are extreamly strong at the moment https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/SR0FLY.JPG
[15:10] <SA6BSS> usuly around .68V it dies from my little experince.
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[15:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS if you get it right, you win a can of Surströmming :-)
[15:15] <SA6BSS> No thankss !! :)
[15:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> haha
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[15:21] <LeoBodnar> ".. Worcestershire Sauce also has a fermented fish ingredient." oh
[15:22] <LeoBodnar> "According to a Japanese study, a newly opened can of surströmming has one of the most putrid food smells in the world" ooh
[15:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hehe yeah
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[15:26] <napos> I've got one of those surströmming things in the fridge.. waiting for warmer weather, so I can open it outdoors :D
[15:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hahaha good luck
[15:28] <LeoBodnar> wow http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Dried_fish_in_Svolv%C3%A6r.jpg/800px-Dried_fish_in_Svolv%C3%A6r.jpg
[15:30] <SA6BSS> 10 min spectrum of SR0FLY http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/
[15:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS looks like you lost your Surströmming, its at 0.67 now
[15:32] <SA6BSS> yeah, to bad :)
[15:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah really :-)
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[15:33] <SA6BSS> someone put surströming in the schools ventilation system every years day before summer break
[15:34] <SA6BSS> kind of breathed with you mouth
[15:34] <SA6BSS> not the nose
[15:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> we taped a fish under the teatchers desk on last school day, that had to smell as well :-)
[15:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: hi
[15:35] <SA6BSS> hehe
[15:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi tom
[15:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> SA6BSS: TX is RFM22b with no thermal insulation, as it spins it is warmed by the sun
[15:36] <SA6BSS> ok, how low do you think it will wor?k
[15:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> SA6BSS: tot so long - to about 0.5V
[15:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> not
[15:37] <SA6BSS> it realy sunbathing right now, beautiful weathere
[15:37] <SA6BSS> ok
[15:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> SA6BSS: yeah -5C only
[15:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> SA6BSS: do You like CW txed by SR0FLY :-) ?
[15:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS you will have it alone soon, it just got below the horizon here
[15:39] <SA6BSS> not god with cw, have not listend, give me a minute
[15:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: it will be soon out of juice
[15:40] <SA6BSS> ok, signal is fine here on the omni, if I have to I can climb the roof and realign the yagi to NW
[15:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> de sr0fly sr0fly jo59gc jo59gc alt 7458 m
[15:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> yeah :)
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[15:41] <LeoBodnar> hahah "2. T oxic substance does not include: ... f. Lutefisk." REGULA TION OF INDUSTR Y , BUILDINGS AND SAFETY http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/101.pdf
[15:42] <SA6BSS> got R0FLY SR0FLY JO59GD JO59GD ALT 7409 M
[15:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> SA6BSS: cool :-) This is done for hams which does not have dl-fldigi :-)
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[15:45] <SA6BSS> the more you can motivate to listen in the better !
[15:45] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: you should try taking a look with binoculars
[15:47] <LeoBodnar> it's overcast unforunately
[15:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> SA6BSS: as the battery voltage drops, the current to the step-up converter rises, which causes battery warming, which makes voltage rise, and currend drop :-)
[15:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> current
[15:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> anyway its near end
[15:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/the_end.jpg
[15:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[15:52] <Martin_G4FUI> Didn't Frank Sinatra sing those workds?
[15:54] <LeoBodnar> it's the wrong door
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[15:57] <SA6BSS> SP9UOB-Tom: ok
[15:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> mstolars: hi :-)
[16:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> first red, about to loose it
[16:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> did it die now?
[16:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: thanks for tracking
[16:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> start of cw and then nothing?
[16:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: yes, possible - battery is out of juice
[16:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> it just went off air here
[16:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS anything your side?
[16:01] <mstolars> Hi
[16:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> mstolars Hi
[16:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: stepup converter must go to the undervoltage lock
[16:02] <SA6BSS> nop its gone
[16:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> state
[16:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> Thanks for tracking :
[16:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its back!
[16:04] <SA6BSS> its back again :9
[16:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
[16:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> what is the battery voltage ?
[16:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 0.60
[16:04] <Upu> how accurate is that ?
[16:06] <SA6BSS> you can see that there was a shutdown before this http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/
[16:06] <Upu> oh SP9UOB-Tom can you let me know when I can remove them from the map
[16:06] <Upu> as SP9UOB has nearly 100k points
[16:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: remove SP9UOB - many points
[16:07] <Upu> ta
[16:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> and so many stations
[16:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wonder if it will shutdown on next cw tx again
[16:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: current peaks can kill the battery
[16:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cw runs fine atm
[16:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and now rtty again
[16:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: has sequence number reset?
[16:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no
[16:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 4592 now
[16:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like the pressure alt died
[16:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> it reads 0 now
[16:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> $$$$SR0FLY,4596,160948,59.34349,10.62192,7411,0,49,17,-8,0,54,29b,9,LA*85CC
[16:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah it got back now
[16:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: possibly step-up does not provide enough voltage
[16:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah its out again
[16:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and back again :-)
[16:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and its dead
[16:14] <SA6BSS> ded, wait for it.... :)'
[16:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> so lets see, it might come back again
[16:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and we are back
[16:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
[16:15] <SA6BSS> indid
[16:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> starting with cw and rtty running again now
[16:15] <Laurenceb> http://archive.org/stream/nasa_techdoc_20000058137/20000058137_djvu.txt
[16:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and dead
[16:16] <SA6BSS> :)
[16:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wait for it :-)
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[16:18] <SA6BSS> here is dropbox archive with spectrum grabs, you can visually see it come an go https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ht9bjko94daeblg/yTupZFo477
[16:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and we are back
[16:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> it just dont want to give up
[16:19] <SA6BSS> just cw and died
[16:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> well it did, a few cw and then dead again
[16:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Last packet i got here was $$$$SR0FLY,4612,161551,59.38340,10.64780,7432,7411,45,18,DdDst0=Vs
[16:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> 450 mV - if ADC is accurate
[16:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> The 45 is the heading?
[16:21] <SA6BSS> got the same partial
[16:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> or speed
[16:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes speed
[16:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> ah speed
[16:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> sorry :-)
[16:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sounds like it gave up now
[16:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> it has died before transmitting voltage
[16:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no
[16:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> one beep
[16:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> could have been the start of the cw
[16:23] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/11967_trj001.gif
[16:23] <Laurenceb> who knows...
[16:25] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/12004_trj001.gif
[16:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: so any signs of life?
[16:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> or mission end?
[16:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just the one beep, nothing since, it think its over
[16:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> unless SA6BSS have heard anything, it was abit weak here
[16:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/
[16:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> some beeps
[16:32] <SA6BSS> yepp, 2 beeps, you can see them here https://www.dropbox.com/s/s48k7q3mwt9x4fh/argo1134.jpg
[16:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cw?
[16:33] <SA6BSS> yes
[16:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
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[16:34] <SA6BSS> it tries, sound horrible
[16:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, time for walk, CU all
[16:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah i see 4 lines on the waterfall
[16:35] <SA6BSS> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/1234.JPG
[16:35] <SA6BSS> same here as in pic
[16:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes i think it had it now. gotta run for a few...
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[17:32] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/9ND4ld2.png <-- woo!
[17:32] <fsphil> how is this decoding
[17:33] <eroomde> FEC
[17:33] <eroomde> also amazing how you can alter your perception of the universe by choice of log mapping of snr to a colormap
[17:33] <Laurenceb> BRINK
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[17:35] <fsphil> trick of the eye? :)
[17:35] <Jededu> ping upu
[17:38] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: impressive
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[17:52] <x-f> so fsphil's challenge has been completed twice already?
[17:52] <craag> His challenge is to land one in NI I thought?
[17:53] <Laurenceb> we need a pico cutdown
[17:53] <x-f> wasn't it "any pico that fsphil can RX"?
[17:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdY7LFo6fCI
[17:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb: RFM22 / si446x can RX as well
[17:55] <Laurenceb> is that a resistor?
[17:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb: no khantal resistive wire
[17:55] <Laurenceb> ah
[17:59] <sp2ipt> what would be practical limits for a filter for HABs on 70cm? I'm retuning a 4 cavity one and can make it work quite well but don't want to cut off too much :)
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[18:00] <eroomde> all of 434 probably
[18:00] <eroomde> assuming you don't want to adjust it per-flight
[18:01] <sp2ipt> that would me too much pain
[18:02] <sp2ipt> but whole 434 us way too much - I live in a city and have lots of qrm on 70cm from alarms
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[18:03] <eroomde> so tune it to be 10kHz wide
[18:03] <eroomde> and adjust it per-flight
[18:03] <LeoBodnar> don't Polish balloons prefer 437.*MHZ?
[18:03] <sp2ipt> eroomde: yeah right :)
[18:03] <sp2ipt> LeoBodnar: yes but it's more of a general question whac can happen
[18:04] <eroomde> i don;t really understand the question
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[18:04] <eroomde> if 10kHz, i.e. one flight, is 'yeah right', then surely the answer is obvious - you just make it as small as possible, which is still very large compared to the bandwidth of a hab
[18:04] <eroomde> and move it as necessary
[18:05] <sp2ipt> eroomde: the question is about general frequency use - I can easily tune the filter to 70cm ISM part and 437.* with two peaks
[18:05] <Upu> ping Jededu
[18:05] <Jededu> upu pm
[18:05] <sp2ipt> eroomde: but can I expect other common frequencies?
[18:05] <eroomde> no
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> is this a challenge?
[18:06] <sp2ipt> ok thanks
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> ah, *common*
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> then no
[18:07] <sp2ipt> no, it's just me being too lazy to retune the filter per flight - I want to put it with the preamp on the rooftop
[18:11] <Upu> where is ibanezmatt when there is a payload over his head
[18:15] <eroomde> doing careful calcs on hotwire cutdown sizing
[18:15] <Upu> I sent him a text in case he wants some practice tracking
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[18:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> how far between transmits from sr0fly?
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[18:24] <Upu> think SR0FLY is dead ?
[18:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> damn
[18:24] <Upu> all the SP payloads batteries expired
[18:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> have not followed the channel good...
[18:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> went out and mounted new antenna
[18:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> for this
[18:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> well
[18:25] <Upu> B-46 is active over the UK
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[18:53] <DL7AD> Upu: i dont think LA9GTA will receive it
[18:53] <DL7AD> he never received any balloons
[18:53] <DL7AD> and i dont think he will this time without the right configuration
[18:59] <DL7AD> hey i think arko went to china to collect B-45 :D
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[19:02] <fsphil> rsid seems to work better than contestia. we should just use that :)
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[19:04] <Laurenceb> Detection of the RSID signal is possible down to a Signal to Noise ratio of about -16 dB
[19:04] <Laurenceb> to be expected then
[19:05] <LeoBodnar> but it's terribly slow
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[19:07] <LeoBodnar> Thor4 is probably just as good
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[19:08] <DL7AD> does rsid have fec?
[19:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: reed-solomon :-)
[19:08] <DL7AD> ah
[19:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> Reed Solomon ID :-)
[19:08] <DL7AD> faltung :)
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[19:11] <amell> any globaltuner in china?
[19:13] <amell> yeah theres one in hong kong.
[19:13] <amell> bit far south for B-45 path
[19:14] <DL7AD> amell: abit
[19:14] <DL7AD> :D
[19:14] <amell> you think its over beijing about now you said earlier?
[19:15] <Laurenceb> an hour or 2 aiui
[19:15] <DL7AD> in 1 hour
[19:16] <DL7AD> (
[19:16] <amell> assuming it made the transit over the himalayas.
[19:17] <DL7AD> amell: ɗ4ô/
[19:17] <jcoxon> amell, that'll be impressive it does
[19:18] <amell> well theres a first time for everything. “ ƒ «‰
[19:19] <jcoxon> indeed
[19:20] <amell> The Himalayas include over a hundred mountains exceeding 7,200 metres (23,600 ft) in elevation.
[19:20] <SIbot> In real units: 23,600 ft = 7 km
[19:20] <amell> perhaps it will have collected some himalayan weeds on its way across.
[19:20] <jcoxon> yeah it'll be close
[19:21] <daveake_> Englishbot: In a real language, “ ƒ «‰ =..... ?
[19:21] Action: amell looks for Englishbot
[19:23] <amell> who is N6ARA in Beijing? just appeared on snus
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[19:30] <jcoxon> n6ara is arko i think
[19:31] <mfa298> I was thinking the same thing. presumably he's listing on a globaltuner / websdr located there
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> he's just taking the piss methinks
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> knowing arko
[19:38] <Upu> haha
[19:39] <Upu> yes its Arko
[19:40] <Upu> yay its those hills again for me
[19:40] <fsphil> B-46 is a bit drifty
[19:41] <Upu> well its down to -40
[19:41] <Upu> signal is very weak for me now
[19:42] <jcoxon> fsphil, finally coming towards you
[19:42] <fsphil> jcoxon: I know! first pico :)
[19:42] <jcoxon> why is SPEARS payload in Bahrain
[19:43] <jcoxon> is that where they've gone to launch it?
[19:43] <daveake_> haha
[19:43] <daveake_> It's in Saudi
[19:43] <daveake_> Funnily enough, so am I
[19:43] <Upu> we sent Dave out to RX B-45 but he was late
[19:43] <jcoxon> launching?
[19:43] <daveake_> nah here for real work, just testing
[19:43] <jcoxon> hehe
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[19:44] <Upu> never mind that why is Arko in Bejing
[19:44] <daveake_> :)
[19:44] <daveake_> I think craag is in the Middle East too at th emo
[19:46] <arko> i am?
[19:46] <daveake_> you are?
[19:46] <arko> wtf?
[19:46] <Upu> on the map arko
[19:46] <arko> oh shit
[19:46] <arko> i forgot to do west on the long
[19:46] <arko> hahaha
[19:46] <fsphil> lol
[19:46] <arko> wait
[19:46] <arko> better excuse
[19:46] <Upu> rofflechops
[19:47] <daveake_> damn, I was about to order a chicken chow mein
[19:47] <arko> i flew to bejing just now to pick up leos habs
[19:47] <arko> im that desparate
[19:47] <arko> daveake: hahaha
[19:47] <Upu> I love how you've set up despite even at best its going to be a week to get to you
[19:47] <LazyLeopard> Heh. Love the way some places say East is +, and others that West is.... Causes all sorts of amusing confusion...
[19:47] <daveake_> Well no point ordering a sweet and sour pork ....
[19:47] <Upu> "just in case"
[19:48] <Upu> with a beer and a sex on the beach daveake
[19:48] <arko> Upu: yep
[19:48] <daveake_> Well, not far to the beach
[19:48] <arko> lol
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[19:48] <arko> i'll just wait here with my beer
[19:48] <daveake_> 5 days without bacon
[19:48] <daveake_> I will survive
[19:48] <arko> sounds like a novel
[19:48] <Upu> lol
[19:48] <arko> "5 days without bacon"
[19:49] <daveake_> Horror movie
[19:49] <arko> haha
[19:49] <daveake_> The horrrrrooorrrr
[19:49] <Upu> that really is my dead zone
[19:49] <Upu> signal has dropped off pretty much entirely
[19:49] <fsphil> definitly
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[19:49] <daveake_> So we need a new listener, in your dead zone?
[19:50] <Upu> well ibanezmatt would be perfectly placed
[19:50] <Upu> sadly he's away
[19:50] <arko> ahh there we go
[19:50] <arko> back home
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> wb arko
[19:50] <arko> thanks lunar
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> hi phil, dave and anthony
[19:50] <fsphil> signal comes and goes here
[19:50] <fsphil> evening kev
[19:50] <arko> that flight back from china was rough
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:52] <Laurenceb> will B-46 go north or south...
[19:53] <Laurenceb> ensemble hysplit cant work it out
[19:54] <Laurenceb> is there APRS in iceland?
[19:54] <jcoxon> yup
[19:55] <Laurenceb> looks like it doesnt matter then :P
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[20:02] <amell> looks like fsphil picked up his pico at last.
[20:05] <arko> http://newbrict.github.io/Fe26/
[20:06] <fsphil> amell: indeed :)
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[20:08] <fsphil> LeoBodnar has won the fsphil challange. I guess that means I need to think up a prize :)
[20:09] <amell> fsphil: todays socks in the post?
[20:09] <LeoBodnar> amell will collect that on my behalf
[20:09] <LeoBodnar> lol
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[20:12] <LeoBodnar> wow -42C i thought we are over these sort of temperatures
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[20:13] <arko> wow B-46 might actually fly over fsphil
[20:14] <fsphil> that would be showing off
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:15] <amell> BTW, i think i need something better than a RTL dongle, any suggestions for a -cheap- ebay 2m/70cm receiver?
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[20:17] <mikestir> amell: generally ssb doesn't come cheap
[20:18] <amell> generally :)
[20:18] <mikestir> you're probably best looking for a scanner
[20:18] <mikestir> the mvt-7100 has ssb and is probably not that pricey
[20:18] <mikestir> unless you think you might want to transmit at some point, in which case spend the extra and get a trx
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[20:19] <Martin_G4FUI> The FCD Pro+ is much better than the RTL dongle
[20:21] <amell> many of the ebay items for scanners dont say if they do SSB
[20:21] <mikestir> look them up on rigpix
[20:22] <mikestir> if it's <100 quid then the answer is almost certainly no
[20:23] <nats`> usually the cheaper doing SSB is the yaesu FT790
[20:25] <daveake_> That Yupi should be comfortably under £100
[20:27] <nats`> I paid mine 150 euro sometime ago
[20:27] <nats`> but they are often drifted in frequency
[20:27] <nats`> mine is about 2kHz lower
[20:28] <daveake_> They go for about £85 usually on ebay UK
[20:29] <Reb-SM3ULC> how is fcd+ vs a ft790?
[20:30] <fsphil> more frequency coverage, slightly more expensive and requires a PC
[20:30] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: ah, was thinking sensitivitywise
[20:30] <fsphil> probably about the same
[20:30] <nats`> I prefer the FT790 because of the form factor and it can runs on battery :)
[20:31] <fsphil> the ft790 has better filtering
[20:31] <nats`> better filtering but you clearly need a habamp
[20:31] <fsphil> I should note that the ft790 also requires a PC :)
[20:31] <daveake_> haha
[20:31] <nats`> compared to more recent rig like 857 it's 10 time less sensitive
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[20:32] <fsphil> ft790 has a nice retro look
[20:32] <fsphil> gotta love the switches and knobs
[20:32] <fsphil> the light is an actual bulb, not an LED
[20:32] <nats`> yay :)
[20:33] <nats`> and the knob are really solid
[20:33] <nats`> not like more recent rig
[20:33] <fsphil> yea it's a solid device
[20:33] <nats`> I repaired twicce my 857
[20:33] <fsphil> the ft817 and 857 feel like the metal is stronger, but the front panel in both is very weak
[20:33] <lbm> Is an LNA needed for all those older SSB radios?
[20:33] <nats`> fsphil weak.....
[20:33] <amell> thanks for the pointers, got a few ebay watches going
[20:33] <nats`> it's really worse than weak
[20:34] <nats`> my 857 even has some problem on the LCD
[20:34] <fsphil> very strong signal from B-46 now
[20:35] <mikestir> I have an annoying carrier wandering up and down on the same freq. Doesn't seem to matter
[20:35] <fsphil> it's 148km from here
[20:36] <mikestir> 153 from here
[20:36] <fsphil> jcoxon's pico got closer, but had a weaker signal
[20:36] <mikestir> it's still strong here but the QRM is winding the agc down
[20:38] <amell> btw, what happens in the UK if you tx without a license, should I do it by accident.
[20:39] <fsphil> ofcom have on occasion tracked unlicenced users down and fined them
[20:39] <fsphil> but I guess it depends on the scale and how many people you annoy
[20:39] <amell> You;d have to be TXing regularly for them to locate you...
[20:40] <fsphil> it's very easy to annoy the amateur radio folk :)
[20:40] <eroomde> no one will notice a soon-to-be-ham accidently kerchunking the 817 they bought for hab Rx
[20:40] <eroomde> but if you actually use it in anger it'll probably upset people
[20:41] <nats`> amell just remove the MIC
[20:41] <nats`> :)
[20:41] <nats`> I always do that
[20:41] <eroomde> exactly
[20:41] <nats`> it avoid accidental trigger of the tx
[20:42] <amell> to avoid broadcasting songs when drunk?
[20:42] <nats`> if you plan to become hab and have enough money go directly for a rig like 857 or 817
[20:42] <nats`> you can found some cheaper one because the UHF PA transistor is dead
[20:43] <nats`> it's a little tricky to replace but it's a real gain (under 300euros)
[20:43] <nats`> become ham
[20:43] <nats`> not hab
[20:43] <nats`> unless you want to float :p
[20:43] <amell> FT-847 has a ridiculous number of buttons
[20:43] <eroomde> 5?
[20:44] <amell> looks c. 100 buttons.
[20:44] <eroomde> you don't need to use that many
[20:44] <eroomde> thankfully
[20:44] <nats`> on 857 you use 3 button :p
[20:44] <eroomde> but they are there to amuse you if necessary
[20:45] <amell> UI fail.
[20:45] <nats`> mode selection frequency knob and some other function on the dsp
[20:45] <nats`> it's not really an UI fail
[20:45] <nats`> those transmitter support all mode on all ham freq
[20:45] <nats`> you can't ask them to have 2 button
[20:46] <mikestir> the standard 0402 RCL footprint in eagle is rubbish
[20:46] <eroomde> there are two iirc
[20:46] <eroomde> as a function of soldering technique
[20:46] <mikestir> it has a keepout that's virtually the same size as the 0603 one
[20:46] <LazyLeopard> Rigs with fewer buttons usually usually have more tedious menus...
[20:47] <nats`> +1 LazyLeopard :)
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[20:47] <eroomde> keepouts are just opinion :)
[20:47] <amell> http://www.yaesu.co.uk/images/FTDX9000DSmall.png
[20:48] <amell> sick
[20:48] <mikestir> it's bigger than the already conservative IPC "most" pattern!
[20:48] <nats`> amell so take a FCD+ :D
[20:49] <mikestir> maybe it's designed so that you can still fit 0603 when your boards arrive and you realise how tiny it is
[20:50] <DL7AD_> fsphil: ping
[20:50] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[20:50] <nats`> hi DL7AD :)
[20:50] <DL7AD> hi nats` :)
[20:52] <fsphil> pong DL7AD
[20:53] <DL7AD> fsphil: got b46?
[20:53] <mfa298> amell: as well as the suggestions you had above there's a list of some recievers people have used on http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[20:53] <fsphil> DL7AD: yep!
[20:53] <DL7AD> :)
[20:53] <amell> mfa298: thanks
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[21:03] <amell> nothing from B-45 so far. Oh well.
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[21:31] <fsphil> B-46 is now over N.Ireland. woo-hoo
[21:32] <mikestir> still getting quite a good signal here, but the drift is causing problems
[21:32] <fsphil> if it continues on the course it's on it'll go directly over Cookstown
[21:32] <fsphil> shame it's dark
[21:32] <fsphil> and overcast
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[21:52] <LeoBodnar> looks like B-46 intended to overfly you fsphil then aborted and decided approach from another angle
[21:52] <LeoBodnar> *yesterday
[21:52] <fsphil> yea after that turn around I didn't expect to see it again
[21:52] <fsphil> tried to sneak up on me
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[22:00] <amell> eroomde: rocket advice required?
[22:02] <eroomde> shoot
[22:03] <amell> priming the body - spending a small fortune on halfords grey spray primer, surely theres a better way?
[22:03] <amell> debating whether to switch to brush on.
[22:03] <Laurenceb> how big is your rocket O_o
[22:03] <amell> 4 tube, 8 foot high. its a lot of primer :(
[22:03] <Laurenceb> wow
[22:04] <amell> right now my head is spinning from fumes
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[22:10] <eroomde> amell: sorry went away
[22:10] <eroomde> i think that's the best way sadly
[22:10] <eroomde> there are those filler balls
[22:11] <eroomde> for a few applications of filling and sanding
[22:11] <eroomde> then you usually get a much smoother, more regular surface for priming
[22:11] <eroomde> *but* this kinda bodywork stuff is totally not my area
[22:11] <eroomde> i do biprops :)
[22:11] <amell> its cardboard tube with 2 wraps of 120 fibreglass.
[22:11] <eroomde> last rocket was just left as raw carbonfibre tube
[22:11] <amell> hard as nails, should take a nice core sample.
[22:12] <amell> CF - er. pass. expensive!
[22:12] <eroomde> yeah, that's what we do with the filler and filler balls
[22:12] <eroomde> filling and sanding and priming
[22:12] <eroomde> looks like a porsche at the end, but takes some patience with sanding
[22:13] <amell> im gonna need tons of primer at this rate.
[22:13] <amell> at 6 quid a can, thats a lot of dosh
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[22:17] <mikestir> this might go directly over your house fsphil
[22:17] <fsphil> it's heading that way
[22:17] <fsphil> elevation currently 15 degrees
[22:18] <mikestir> 0.7 here at 260km
[22:18] <mikestir> still really only the drift that's causing me problems
[22:19] <mikestir> the pips are right underneath that wandering QRM I've got, but the data still decodes. pretty impressive
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[22:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Distance to Target 33.33Kms
[22:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Bearing 94.01 degrees
[22:21] <fsphil> over the lough
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[22:25] <fsphil> 24km awat
[22:25] <fsphil> y
[22:25] <Upu> colinear ?
[22:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Targetting system operational
[22:25] <fsphil> yea, though I could probably pick this up on a bit of string
[22:26] <fsphil> I seem to have misplaced my funcube
[22:27] <fsphil> my baofeng fm receiver is hearing it
[22:27] <LeoBodnar> do light in the house dim?
[22:27] <LeoBodnar> s
[22:30] <fsphil> should head past just slightly north of me
[22:33] <fsphil> 15km
[22:33] <fsphil> 34 degrees ele
[22:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can you hear the pings from the targetting radar yet ?
[22:34] <fsphil> not over the noise of the interception rockets firing
[22:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[22:37] <fsphil> 11km
[22:38] <fsphil> 46 degrees
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[22:43] <amell> fsphil: damn, that is close :)
[22:45] Action: fsphil waves
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[22:50] <gonzo_> nice pass!
[22:51] <fsphil> I can no longer complain about not being in range of picos :)
[22:51] <fsphil> the curse is broken!
[22:51] <amell> how far do you think youll be able to track it out into the atlantic?
[22:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did you see the Whites of its eyes ?
[22:52] <amell> can you make the horizon?
[22:53] <fsphil> amell: some hills that direction, not sure. I've never received anything from the west before
[22:53] <fsphil> I don't think it'll be as good a range as I get to the south and east
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[23:00] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/17760_trj001.gif
[23:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> craag ping
[23:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> check your twitter account, you have been hacked :-(
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[23:05] <fsphil> such a large footprint and I'm the only receiver
[23:05] <fsphil> really do need some stations in .ie land
[23:08] <amell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26930644 - how about taser equipped HABs?
[23:12] <nats`> amell a dazzler would be funnier :p
[23:12] <nats`> and easier to track :p
[23:12] <nats`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzler_%28weapon%29
[23:15] <Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PHASR_Rifle.jpg
[23:15] <Laurenceb> pmsl
[23:15] <amell> Never knew the space shuttle was attacked by Russia& http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra-3
[23:19] <nats`> Laurenceb passive anti dazzler http://www.miroir-grossissant.com/miroir-grossissant.html
[23:19] <nats`> :D
[23:21] <gonzo_> tazer hab? to stop theft of payloads?
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