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[07:52] <Laurenceb> pity B-45 is likely to lose reception before breaking any duration records
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[07:53] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: do you think that was icing overnight?
[07:53] <LeoBodnar> looked like it
[07:54] <Laurenceb> what was the free lift?
[07:54] <LeoBodnar> ~2g
[07:55] <Laurenceb> interesting, quite low
[07:55] <Laurenceb> what was B-11/12 free lift?
[07:56] <Laurenceb> closer to 3?
[07:57] <Laurenceb> ages ago i was wondering about 1 gram drop masses
[07:57] <Laurenceb> you could fit a few onto the payload and drop them once a week or something
[07:57] <Laurenceb> or if altitude went very low
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[07:58] <Laurenceb> bbl
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[08:06] <Jededu> Is anything going up today?
[08:19] <eroomde> my temperature
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[08:28] <LeoBodnar> yeah we can try that
[08:28] <LeoBodnar> but if free lift gets to about 5g it will just burst with solar gain
[08:29] <LeoBodnar> i am also curious whether repetitive stretching weakens envelope
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[08:29] <LeoBodnar> yes B-11/B-12 were 3 and 3.5g
[08:30] <LeoBodnar> B-45 was going over the sea so i did not want to risk with too much lift
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[09:19] <Laurenceb_> B-45 was going over the sea so i did not want to risk with too much lift
[09:19] <Laurenceb_> i dont follow
[09:19] <Laurenceb_> is there more solar gain over the sea?
[09:22] <Laurenceb_> its annoying that we havent seen a single pico flight where we can put a final descent down to loss of helium from diffusion
[09:22] <Laurenceb_> its very hard to say what the upper flight time limit is
[09:22] <Laurenceb_> but its at least 3days per gram
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[09:28] <fsphil> the ocean is a bit warmer than land during the night
[09:28] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[09:32] <Laurenceb_> i wonder if this is significant
[09:37] <SM5> The B45 trajectory is impressive. I wonder about the data link: Is data received using APRS or Contestia now? 70cm or 2m? I think it is surprising that there are som many receiving stations at the current locatoin of B-45.
[09:38] <SM5> (SM5 should have been "SM5OCI".)
[09:38] <sp2ipt> SM5: type /nick SM5OCI
[09:39] Nick change: SM5 -> SM5OCI
[09:40] <Laurenceb_> SM5: most of the telemetry has come via APRS
[09:40] <Laurenceb_> annoyingly there is no APRS in central asia
[09:40] <SM5OCI> Thanks, SP2IPT; despite the fact that I used IRC for the first time in 1989, I have never managed to get really aquainted with it...
[09:40] <Laurenceb_> and its a bit hard to come up with anything else :-S
[09:41] <SM5OCI> OK, APRS. 70cm or 2m?
[09:41] <sp2ipt> SM5OCI: np, I've had a looong break too :)
[09:41] <Laurenceb_> we were discussing SWPR the other day..
[09:41] <Laurenceb_> SM5OCI: aprs on 2m, contestia on 70cm
[09:41] <SM5OCI> I overheard (overlooked?) a conversation which discussed using other frequencies, like 10m.
[09:42] <SM5OCI> SWPR??
[09:42] <sp2ipt> Laurenceb_: got a message today my boards from dirtypcbs.com came back from the factory (it took actually one week) - should be shipped today
[09:42] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[09:42] <Laurenceb_> i just use seeedstudio
[09:42] <SM5OCI> Oh, sorry, gotta go now. Thans for info, and again, Impressive track for B-45.
[09:42] <Laurenceb_> for cheap stuff
[09:43] <sp2ipt> I know - I ws the first brave one to order something from them :)
[09:43] <Laurenceb_> s/SWPr/WSPR
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[09:54] <Laurenceb_> maybe theres some amazing protocol we havent though of yet...
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[09:54] <Laurenceb_> heres hoping
[09:58] <Laurenceb_> these have got a lot going for them
[09:58] <Laurenceb_> http://www.sirtrack.com/index.php/avian/argos/glue-on
[10:02] <craag> g0pai_ian: Oh? I'm out of the country so won't see the radcom til next week, what section am I mentioned in?
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[10:24] <craag> I had a listen for B44 on the plane yesterday, but I was on the east side, and it looks like the balloon just to the west side of the flight path.
[10:25] <g0pai_ian> craag: you won't have missed an awful lot though. . . . I was just showing off that I can actually read! :-)
[10:25] <g0pai_ian> SITUATIONS VACANT  Wanted for nationally spamming repeater inputs with jingle tones . . . :-) Let's not waste the opportunity for an imaginative story here.
[10:25] <craag> hahaha
[10:25] <g0pai_ian> "" Page 12. NEWS  OSCAR 7 and 73. . . . new helical antennas designed by Martin, G8JNJ, G8GTZ a new PC build by Phil, M0DNY have helped to dramatically improved the overall performance, especially on the 2m and 70cm amateur bands . . .""
[10:26] <craag> Cool :) thanks.
[10:26] <craag> Is there a link to the websdr on there?
[10:26] <cm13g09> craag: I'm waiting for Ubuntu 14.04 to launch....
[10:26] <g0pai_ian> Never lose an opportunity for a bit of humour
[10:26] <cm13g09> this could get painful fairly quickly..
[10:27] <mfa298> g0pai_ian: so you're *the* person that actually reads radcom.
[10:27] <mfa298> half of mine are still in the plastic wrapper
[10:27] <g0pai_ian> That would be me. Thank goodness for pictures.
[10:27] <cm13g09> mfa298: lol
[10:28] <craag> cm13g09: I'm waiting til Monday, give them a few days to patch the installer bugs :)
[10:28] <cm13g09> craag: yeah, my desktop and laptop can wait until next week
[10:29] <craag> Then I'll be waiting til end of the summer before I think about moving server stuff over - don't want to be rebooting for kernel patches every week!
[10:29] Action: mfa298 has a few more months to wait for centos 7 / fedora 21
[10:32] <cm13g09> craag: no quite lol
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[10:38] <g0pai_ian> craag: s/G8JNJ, G8GTZ/G8JNJ, the installation of preamplifiers by Noel, G8GTZ/ sorry skipped a line
[10:47] <Laurenceb_> updraft from mt elbrus
[10:50] <LeoBodnar> updrafts are dangerous
[10:50] <LeoBodnar> especially during the day
[10:50] <Laurenceb_> yeah
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[10:51] <cm13g09> oh dear, is B45 in danger?
[10:51] <cm13g09> also, what's the current longest flight record LeoBodnar?
[10:53] <LeoBodnar> about 7 days i think
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-45_20140411/b-45_201404171057.jpg
[10:58] <cm13g09> How long has B45 been up?
[10:58] <cm13g09> 6 days?
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[11:01] <nats`> since the 12
[11:01] <nats`> or the eleventh
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[11:01] <nats`> check the graph on the tracker page
[11:02] <Laurenceb_> about 140hours
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[11:05] <nats`> there is a bug with B-44 on tracker no ?
[11:05] <nats`> each day it puts the current day at 11:04 for the last packet
[11:05] <LeoBodnar> it's a "feature"
[11:05] <LeoBodnar> of APRS importer
[11:06] <nats`> ohhhh need a blue screen so :)
[11:12] <Laurenceb_> halfway through the mountains
[11:13] <LeoBodnar> 5,642 m Mount Elbrus, Elevation
[11:19] <craag> g0pai_ian: Well thanks for letting me know - I've got the realtime analytics page open and seeing a fair few hits :)
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[11:38] <LeoBodnar> I have never figured out what caused altituide kick and demise of B-14 http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-14/
[11:39] <Darkside> gravity waves!
[11:39] <Darkside> (generic answer to weird atmosphric stuff)
[11:39] <LeoBodnar> it's too big for gravity wave
[11:40] <Darkside> dude, gravity waves can cause effects in the *ionosphere*
[11:40] <mattbrejza> well its just gone over a mountain range
[11:40] <LeoBodnar> it was about 500m kick
[11:40] <Darkside> wave off a mountain range would do it
[11:40] <Darkside> lik what glider pilots use
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[11:41] <Darkside> go look up wave soaring
[11:41] <Darkside> its amazing stuff
[11:42] <LeoBodnar> soaring != floating
[11:42] <Darkside> yes, but it will give lift
[11:42] <Darkside> which may force it up
[11:43] <LeoBodnar> thermals can extend into stratosphere
[11:44] <mattbrejza> could it not just be that as air passes over the mountains it is forced up so the air density above the mountains is higher?
[11:45] <Darkside> mattbrejza: this is a common failure reason for superpressure balloons
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[11:45] <Darkside> mattbrejza: i went to a talk by a guy from my uni that was involved with a bunch of french superpressure balloon launches around antarctica
[11:45] <Darkside> and most of them failed due to a sudden increase in altitude when going over a mountain range
[11:46] <mattbrejza> well b45 seems good for mow
[11:46] <mattbrejza> now
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[11:58] <Laurenceb_> over the worst of it now
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[12:09] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi
[12:10] <PE2G> Hi
[12:12] <g0pai_ian> I have just joined the chorus asking for Leo to release the embargo he has on his website updates for B-42 and later flights.
[12:12] <DL7AD_mobile> B45 is rising very high
[12:12] <LeoBodnar> heh i hear ya
[12:13] <PE2G> LeoBodnar: Congrats on B-45. Impressive.
[12:16] <Laurenceb_> <DL7AD_mobile> updrafts over the mountains
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[12:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: seems you balloons have gone too stable in the fabric.. ;)
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[12:30] <Laurenceb_> http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/handle/2014/30924
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[12:45] <Laurenceb_> looks to me like there is a hotter air mass in russia
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[12:58] <eroomde> http://www.canuck-boffin.net/sonde/
[12:58] <eroomde> always worth re-reading this every now and then to see what a cool nerd project looked like in the year 2000
[12:58] <eroomde> especially worth noting how he tested all his systems
[12:58] <eroomde> a lesson worth taking onboard
[12:59] <fsphil> still a cool nerd project
[12:59] <fsphil> not many gliders done since
[13:00] <eroomde> kind of my point
[13:00] <eroomde> he nailed it
[13:00] <Laurenceb_> yes
[13:00] <Laurenceb_> amazing how he managed with murata gyros
[13:00] <Laurenceb_> i tried and failed at tying a knot....
[13:01] <eroomde> very methodical and careful design and approach to everything
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[13:01] <LeoBodnar> just like El Reg!
[13:02] <Babs> Ban holiday reaction wheel assembly for Stabilotron II. F Knows whether it will work but it is aesthetically pleasing https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/13904094225/in/set-72157636929911016
[13:02] <Babs> *Bak
[13:02] <Babs> *bank
[13:02] <Babs> ffs
[13:02] <eroomde> LeoBodnar: you said it, not me
[13:02] <fsphil> *hi
[13:03] <fsphil> it looks like it should be steering a rally car
[13:03] <mattbrejza> compass module: http://www.canuck-boffin.net/sonde/images/guts05.jpg
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[13:03] <Babs> it would be a tiny wheel
[13:03] <Babs> maybe a wacky races rally car
[13:04] <fsphil> have you spun it up yet?
[13:04] <Babs> got it going now
[13:05] <eroomde> balanced?
[13:05] <Laurenceb_> oi
[13:06] <Laurenceb_> im not that incompetent Leo :P
[13:06] <Laurenceb_> the knot was for tightening the winch servo line before flight, but it resistant to vibration so it came undone and there wasnt enough control authority
[13:07] <Laurenceb_> * + wasnt resistant
[13:07] <Laurenceb_> something worth remembering when working with nylon line
[13:07] <Babs> its not bad eroomde actually
[13:07] <Babs> i have to balance it properly
[13:08] <Laurenceb_> how fast have you spun it?
[13:08] <Laurenceb_> rpm
[13:08] <eroomde> Babs: do you have an oscilloscope?
[13:08] <Babs> probably by attaching washers to the screws
[13:08] <eroomde> there's a very hobby-scale balancer you can make with one
[13:08] <Babs> oooo. interesting
[13:08] <eroomde> which was developped by the RC jet engine people
[13:08] <Babs> i feel we need a maker session at my house
[13:09] <eroomde> will build for pizza
[13:09] <Babs> i flew model planes with my dad when i was 8
[13:09] <Babs> there was a dude there who built a jet engine
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> piezo + a coil as different channels?
[13:09] <Babs> the cowel was a camping gaz shell
[13:09] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: sort of
[13:09] <Laurenceb_> s/coil/phase
[13:09] <eroomde> you can do it just with the spinny thing in a bearing housing that's loosely supported
[13:09] <eroomde> with flexible joints
[13:10] <eroomde> and on that bearing housing you put an accelerometer (eg piezo yep)
[13:10] <Babs> eroomde - we have pizza
[13:10] <eroomde> and then you can just put an LED and photodiode pointing at the thing you're trying to balance, and put a while line on it
[13:10] <Laurenceb_> ah
[13:10] <eroomde> and connect that to the scope aswell as the accelerometer
[13:11] <eroomde> so if it's unbalanced, when you spin it up, it'll wobble the accelerometer, and you'll see a sine wave on the scope
[13:11] <Laurenceb_> i can think of another project where this would be useful...
[13:11] <eroomde> if you also have the pulses from the reflectometer, you can figure out the phase difference between the sine wave and the reflection pulses
[13:11] <Babs> here you go https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/13910869973/
[13:11] <eroomde> i.e., how many degrees round from the reflective bit is the heaviest part
[13:12] <eroomde> then you just grind a bit away
[13:12] <eroomde> and try again
[13:12] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[13:12] <Babs> i can strongly recommend a baby changing table to assemble stuff on
[13:12] <eroomde> eventually the amplitude of your sine wave should fall away
[13:12] <eroomde> as you iterate through this process
[13:12] <Babs> when you drop the ball bearings etc. it captures them perfectly
[13:12] <Reb-SM3ULC> Laurenceb_: did you get any nice results for a multi-fq antenna?
[13:12] <eroomde> it's very much like centering something in a 4-jaw chuck
[13:12] <eroomde> with a dial indicator
[13:12] <Babs> i have 6 weeks before a baby arrives and destroys my chances of wheel balancing then by taking up the table i assembled for him/her
[13:13] <Laurenceb_> Reb-SM3ULC: in sumultion, yes
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[13:13] <Laurenceb_> 1m long dipole with 7µH on either end followed by 22cm more wire
[13:14] <Laurenceb_> seemed to give 2m, 10m, and 70cm SWR troughs
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[13:16] <Reb-SM3ULC> Laurenceb_: cool, som trials in order then :)
[13:16] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: oh that wasn't directed at you :D
[13:17] <Laurenceb_> heh
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[13:30] <Babs> more shiny stuff being put together this weekend https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/13887860091/
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[13:37] <Willdude123> Is there anything similar to Eagle that will let you design breadboards?
[13:39] <mfa298> there's a package although I can't remember what it's called and it didn't seem like the easiest thing to work with
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[13:45] <Willdude123> mfa298: OK I just wanted to get a ZN414Z circuit planned out
[13:46] <UpuWork> fritzing or something
[13:47] <Willdude123> UpuWork: what? Is that the name of the bad one that is difficult to work with?
[13:47] <mfa298> you could also try lookign at autodesk's 123d circuits thing
[13:48] <ibanezmatt13> I've used fritzing for planning circuit on breadboards. It seemed fine
[13:49] <Willdude123> So my intermediate license project is a small receiver
[13:50] <mfa298> it wasnt fritzing that i tried
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[13:53] <Laurenceb_> Babs: i spot an Alex Mos
[13:53] <Laurenceb_> looks good
[13:53] <mfa298> I think it was veecad I was trying to use. which is probably fine for some tasks. I just didn't get on with it for what I wanted to do
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[13:56] <Willdude> Getting a footprint for the ZN414Z might be difficult
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> Willdude: It's just TO92
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[13:59] <Willdude> SpeedEvil, fritzing seems to have no generic t092 so I'll have to call it a PNP transistor
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[14:02] <Willdude> Well this is difficult
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[14:03] <Willdude> Can't just scan this schematic into something that'd convert it can I?
[14:03] <Babs> (assuming wires don't melt) what is the effect of doubling the voltage going across a brushless motor?
[14:04] <Babs> on the one side, its a coil so should be twice as powerful
[14:04] <Babs> and motors are rated as to rpm per volt
[14:04] <Babs> BUT
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> they spin faster
[14:04] <Babs> surely the switching on and off of the magnets is not related to voltage?
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> before the back emc means you cant pass any current through
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> *emf
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> current -> torque, voltage -> max rpm
[14:05] <Babs> just have it going throuhg a standard speed controller
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[14:05] <Babs> ok, so it should double (ish)
[14:05] <Babs> ?
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> yes
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[14:05] <Babs> thanks laurenceb - probably want to get it properly balanced before i jack it up
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[14:07] <cuddykid> hi guys, was anyone aware of a recent launch in the past week by notts uni physoc?
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[14:07] <mfa298> doubling the voltage probably also means the current will increase which is what would make the wires burn out.
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[14:08] <cuddykid> just saw they did a launch but dont recall seeing it on the tracker. Guessing they dont know about the dist listener network
[14:08] <mfa298> the motor will be a fixed resistance (or reasonably fixed) so apply v=ir
[14:11] <Willdude> With fritzing how do I make a line - I can connect different bits directly but can't make lines for some reason
[14:11] <eroomde> power goes with the square of voltage to a first order for em things
[14:11] <eroomde> so doubling the voltage doubles the current
[14:11] <eroomde> P=IV
[14:12] <eroomde> P=2I * 2V
[14:12] <eroomde> so 4 times the power
[14:14] <g0pai_ian> Suggesting limited research. Almost any Google search for "high altitude", "altitude balloon" etc. will bring you rushing here. Must have had blindfolds on.or recent confidence injections :-)
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[14:17] <mfa298> havn't nottingham done (and possibly lost) a few launches before. Possibly using Chris Hillcox
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[14:18] <eroomde> g0pai_ian: their research might have brought them here
[14:18] <eroomde> but then they might have decided to do it thier own way :)
[14:19] <g0pai_ian> Willdude: type up, using an editor or word processor with fixed font such as Courier, a document to resemble the breadboard layout, print it out and use a pencil (and eraser). Make as many attempts as you need to get it neat and then check it connection by connection for correctness.
[14:20] <g0pai_ian> No marks for drawings on the Intermediate course. Does it work, has it a number of components to be recognised, can he solder, did he do it himself?
[14:20] <mattbrejza> they must have come across something, they were using the cusf predictor, isnt that only hosted at habhub now?
[14:20] <Willdude> g0pai_ian, I am just breadboarding it and having software to help route it is handy
[14:20] <Willdude> The schematic is publishjed
[14:21] <Willdude> Just gotta get it in a format it'll understand
[14:21] <mfa298> I've never had an issue doing breadboard / veroboard designs on squared paper.
[14:21] <mfa298> or just got direct to solder and make it up as you go along
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[14:22] <mattbrejza> at least put the components in 'dry' before you solder...
[14:22] <g0pai_ian> eroomde: pride coming before a fall perhaps? Nasa, RSPB etc all use amateurs of one sort or another to make up the eyes in the sky/garden etc.
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[14:23] <eroomde> nasa, rspb 'etc'
[14:23] <eroomde> i don't think nasa need amateurs
[14:23] <mattbrejza> i reckon they used a ntx2 -> nrx2, at perhaps 1200 baud, which i would assume would work on the ground, and then decided it would be fine in the air
[14:24] <eroomde> most engineering endevours don't rely on amateur assistence, really
[14:24] <eroomde> mattbrejza: yes we've come across that before
[14:24] <g0pai_ian> Willdude: appreciate how you want to do it and won't disuade you, but the software is also published, and can be found between your ears :-) pencil on the ear or in the hand . . . have you the url for the actual circuit you are using?
[14:24] <eroomde> someone turned up with loose floppy radials that hung down next to the active element
[14:24] <eroomde> 'it worked on the desk'
[14:24] <mattbrejza> they wernt that bad at least
[14:25] <mattbrejza> they made yagis and everything (which doesnt suggest much confidence in their range though)
[14:25] <Willdude> Nah, got an image though.
[14:25] <Willdude> g0pai_ian, just uploading it
[14:26] <g0pai_ian> Nasa regularly use amateurs. Remember a couple of years ago the docking problem with the ISS, they needed eyes in Australia then and provide software for amateurs to use and reap the observations to fill in where they don't have specialists on the ground.
[14:26] <mfa298> hmmm interesting write up http://www.nottinghampost.com/University-Nottingham-students-launch-balloon/story-20949787-detail/story.html
[14:27] <Willdude> http://i.imgur.com/7SfhAVD.png
[14:27] <eroomde> g0pai_ian: i don;t remember that
[14:27] <eroomde> but i doubt i would share your definition of regular
[14:27] <mfa298> sounds like they had a radio transmitter in the "space balloon" as quoted from their president :|
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[14:29] <mattbrejza> it was an adafruit gps + ntx2 i seem to remembre from their photos
[14:31] <fsphil> nobody ever ID the BARC launch?
[14:33] <cuddykid> yeah, so notts did one and lost it
[14:33] <Willdude> fsphil, that Basingstoke club?
[14:33] <fsphil> did they launch something?
[14:34] <fsphil> there was a mystery rtty signal a few months ago, $$BARC
[14:34] <fsphil> no gps lock
[14:34] <Willdude> Bit weird
[14:35] <eroomde> what about the NI one?
[14:35] <eroomde> going to spaaaaaaaaaaaaace
[14:36] <g0pai_ian> Willdude: thanks, AFK shortly for orchestral rehearsal, and radio sked later, but back before end of evening with something.
[14:36] <fsphil> some people never listen
[14:36] <g0pai_ian> eroomde: supporting citations later.
[14:37] <Willdude> I really can't be bothered to do this. I'd have to make my own footprint for all the various parts they don't have. Probably simpler to wing it
[14:37] <mattbrejza> cuddykid: they persmuably launched without you knowing about it?
[14:37] <cuddykid> yep
[14:37] <g0pai_ian> I don't have enough imagination to make these things up or enough memory to remember them :-)
[14:37] <mattbrejza> btw did you do any file recovery on your gopro sd card?
[14:37] <cuddykid> Im emailing them now to aware them of UKHAS/listener network
[14:37] <cuddykid> yeah, no luck
[14:38] <g0pai_ian> Wing it with a pencil Willdude
[14:38] <Laurenceb_> i see the guy on the right is facepalming already
[14:38] <Willdude> g0pai_ian, or just by eye
[14:38] <mattbrejza> theyve been made aware via reddit
[14:38] <Willdude> As I go along
[14:38] <Laurenceb_> http://www.nottinghampost.com/University-Nottingham-students-launch-balloon/story-20949787-detail/story.html
[14:38] <Willdude> cuddykid, what happened to your payload btw?
[14:38] <Willdude> The one that got away
[14:38] <cuddykid> Willdude: recovered
[14:38] <cuddykid> by police
[14:38] <Willdude> Any arrests?
[14:39] <Willdude> How did they even find him?
[14:39] <cuddykid> went to address behind IP
[14:39] <cuddykid> just caution
[14:40] <Willdude> cuddykid, did it save a video of him stealing it?
[14:40] <mattbrejza> http://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/22svnh/anyone_in_oxfordshire_uk_physsoc_nottingham_need/
[14:40] <cuddykid> Willdude: he deleted that bit
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[14:40] <Willdude> What would the crime be anyway?
[14:40] <cuddykid> cheers mattbrejza
[14:40] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[14:41] <cuddykid> Willdude: theft by finding
[14:41] <cuddykid> something like that
[14:41] <Laurenceb_> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1549493_657315800983962_8507420299914758068_n.jpg
[14:41] <Laurenceb_> ewwwwww
[14:41] <Miek> cuddykid: how did you get an IP?
[14:42] <cuddykid> Miek: server logs - he visited my blog in the hours after finding it
[14:42] <cuddykid> IP was from the area, all added up
[14:42] <Willdude> cuddykid, do you suspect it was premeditated?
[14:42] <cuddykid> Willdude: no
[14:42] <Miek> haha, awesome, congrats on getting it back
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[14:45] <Laurenceb_> im surprised it didnt just short itself
[14:45] <cuddykid> surprised the notts lot managed to get permission out of David given the proximity to EMA
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[14:46] <Laurenceb_> that assumes they asked
[14:46] <eroomde> it claims they got a 20 min window
[14:46] <cuddykid> Laurenceb_: looks like GPS that cuts out above 18km?
[14:46] <Laurenceb_> ah
[14:47] <Laurenceb_> cuddykid: nrx2 + arduino for ground station by the looks of it
[14:47] <cuddykid> lol
[14:47] <Laurenceb_> they lost it while driving
[14:47] <cuddykid> amazed they didnt come across UKHAS whilst googling
[14:47] <mfa298> it sounds like they at least talked to the airport (no mention of whether they got a notam although you'de hope the airport would have pointted them towrads the caa)
[14:48] <mattbrejza> got to give them some credit for doing the whole thing themselves though, maybe a bit lacking in the radio department
[14:48] <mattbrejza> live and learn etc
[14:50] <mattbrejza> also yea i dont think there is any chance DM would have given them a notam, just checked the airspace kml
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[14:56] <mfa298> Willdude: looking at that diagram it shouldn't be too hard to create a breadboard layout for it. Just start off with one or two components (probably the ZN414Z and/or BC548) and work from there. you might want to mark of the components / legs as you do them.
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[14:59] <Willdude123_> mfa298, thing is - the footprints are weird
[14:59] <Willdude123_> I can't figure out how to make one with the pinouts labeled correctly
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[15:01] <mfa298> use pencil and paper then you don't have to worry about the oddities of the software
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[16:13] <Laurenceb_> Chechnya
[16:14] <eroomde> Chechnyaaaa
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[16:16] <Laurenceb_> boom
[16:16] Nick change: nigelvh -> GuessWho
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[16:26] <LeoBodnar> these are probably the last hours of B-45
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[16:27] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5zGkqAWsWE
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[16:28] <arko> no aprs out in asia?
[16:29] <LeoBodnar> not until Eastern China
[16:29] <Laurenceb_> its a dead zone at the other side of the caspian sea
[16:29] <arko> i want to believe it will make it
[16:29] <LeoBodnar> heh
[16:29] <arko> battery looked like it was recharging really well
[16:30] <LeoBodnar> yeah, its performance has been nominal
[16:30] <Laurenceb_> we need WSPR
[16:30] <LeoBodnar> we sure do
[16:31] <LeoBodnar> i'll read up on it
[16:31] <arko> this has to have broken some records
[16:31] <arko> longest flight?
[16:31] <Laurenceb_> no
[16:31] <LeoBodnar> no
[16:31] <Laurenceb_> B-11 was nearly 8 days
[16:31] <arko> wow
[16:32] <LeoBodnar> B-45 145h, B-12 164h, B-11 187h
[16:32] <Laurenceb_> this will be less than 7 when we lose aprs
[16:32] <arko> thats crazy
[16:33] <LeoBodnar> so according to ARHAB this is the 3rd longest
[16:33] <Laurenceb_> you have a load more around 80 to 100hours
[16:33] <Laurenceb_> you could fill the ARHAB top 10 i think
[16:34] <mfa298> how long until LeoBodnar can take over the whole duration records table - or do they just keep adding entries
[16:34] <LeoBodnar> heh I don't thing its worth keeping 70-odd long tables
[16:36] <LeoBodnar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYRdmfFRY44
[16:36] <eroomde> some dude will buy an old super pressure from a research place and lob something up for a month
[16:36] <eroomde> just to spite it
[16:36] <LeoBodnar> it would be fun
[16:37] <arko> LeoBodnar: lol
[16:37] <LeoBodnar> I didn't know they make 9th place rtibbons XD
[16:37] <Laurenceb_> yeah its a pity the qualatex are just slightly too low
[16:37] <Laurenceb_> a few km higher and they would avoid nasty weather
[16:38] <LeoBodnar> basically x2 diameter qualatex is all we need
[16:38] <LeoBodnar> ~14km float
[16:38] <eroomde> yeah exactly
[16:38] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[16:38] <eroomde> and you'd be above the tropopause
[16:38] <LeoBodnar> same shape
[16:38] <eroomde> which is a more stable place thermodynamically
[16:39] <LeoBodnar> single seam
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> need to work out how to bond mylar
[16:39] <LeoBodnar> no gore-y business
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> i guess my nutty option of silicone resin wouldnt be strong enough for single seam
[16:40] <LeoBodnar> if you make it into lap seam it might work
[16:40] <Laurenceb_> i have a 5L canister from down corning looking for a home...
[16:40] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[16:40] <LeoBodnar> but it would have lost its simplicity points
[16:40] <Laurenceb_> it can be diluted in most alcohols
[16:40] <Laurenceb_> and sprayed/pained/whatever
[16:40] <Laurenceb_> *painted
[16:41] <Laurenceb_> yeah i had been thinking lap seams
[16:41] <Laurenceb_> its good to -140C or something stupid
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[16:42] <Laurenceb_> i also have 3M 91022
[16:42] <Laurenceb_> http://www.3mconvertersolutions.com/media/highlight/7/91022-and-96042-datapage.pdf
[16:43] <Laurenceb_> 0.5N/mm
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[16:44] <LeoBodnar> does it stick to PE?
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> yes
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> if it exists it sticks to it
[16:44] <LeoBodnar> hmm bring it over next time
[16:44] <LeoBodnar> lol
[16:45] <LeoBodnar> how do you get it out of the bottle then?
[16:45] <Laurenceb_> it doesnt stick to PTFE
[16:45] <Laurenceb_> other than that...
[16:45] <LeoBodnar> so PTFE doesn't exist?
[16:45] <LeoBodnar> QED
[16:45] <Laurenceb_> heh
[16:46] <Laurenceb_> peel strength is about an order of magnitude too low for a non lap seam
[16:46] <Laurenceb_> but lap seam would probably be fine
[16:46] <Laurenceb_> just not so easy to make
[16:46] <Laurenceb_> at all :-/
[16:50] <Laurenceb_> http://www.balloonkits.com/pages/instructions.html
[16:50] <Laurenceb_> they make it look easy
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[16:53] <LeoBodnar> they don't have any superpressure
[16:53] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[16:53] <LeoBodnar> it's nearly ZP
[16:54] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PqV6I0nhXUk#t=306
[16:54] <Laurenceb_> looks like hot press
[16:55] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[16:56] <LeoBodnar> the only problem is nobody is selling any film > 95cm wide
[16:56] <Laurenceb_> that explains the upper size limit i guess
[16:57] <LeoBodnar> yep
[16:57] <Laurenceb_> lap joining sheets should be easy
[16:58] <LeoBodnar> toupper("should");
[17:00] <Laurenceb_> UnhandledException
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[17:37] <Laurenceb_> interesting gap in APRS directly over UB6JAG-1
[17:38] <Laurenceb_> must be antenni null
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[17:43] <Babs> laurenceb - its a 3-axis alexmos all in one unit
[17:43] <Babs> just out
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[17:43] <Babs> ps i can confirm that if you link up two 3s motors to the speed controller it blows up
[17:43] <Babs> now to get the scorch marks out of the as yet unused baby changing table
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[17:44] <Laurenceb_> oops
[17:44] <Babs> if you don't try, you don't succeed
[17:45] <Babs> interestingly the esc was rated to 20A
[17:45] <Babs> would imagine it was probably the inertia that it was struggling with, that is a lot of juice to pull
[17:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> Babs: I see it as av
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[17:46] <Reb-SM3ULC> Babs: I see it as a very nice inauguration of the table! :)
[17:46] <Babs> it was definitely audio and visual
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[17:55] <LazyLeopard> Babs: Oops!
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[18:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nasa-arc - new kepler results
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[18:11] <Chesnut> x-f: Hey. :D
[18:12] <x-f> hi, Chesnut :)
[18:12] <Chesnut> I visited Latvia this week. :D
[18:13] <x-f> are you back from the army yet?
[18:13] <Chesnut> Nope
[18:13] <Chesnut> I hope they'll let me free at the beginning of June
[18:13] <x-f> Estonian army visited my country? :|
[18:14] <x-f> beginning of June is like tomorrow
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[18:14] <Chesnut> I participated in the military exercise Summer Shield 2014 along with Latvian, Lithuanian and US Navy soldiers
[18:15] <Chesnut> It took place in Ada~i military polygons
[18:15] <Chesnut> It's near Riga, as far as I know
[18:15] <x-f> ah, right, i heard the bombing last weekend! 40km from there
[18:15] <Chesnut> Hah
[18:16] <Chesnut> I'm in the Estonian artillery group. We fired 480 122mm shells during the exercise.
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[18:17] <x-f> so you're responsible for me thinking it was thunder in April
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[18:18] <Chesnut> :)
[18:18] <Chesnut> Most of the soldiers (Marines, Lithuanians) slept in hotels
[18:19] <Chesnut> But we were still put in the forest
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[18:22] <x-f> it was quite cold last week
[18:22] <x-f> but you're from the North anyway :)
[18:23] <Chesnut> Cold? Warmest weather we've had yet
[18:23] <Chesnut> Great weather, only rained on 2 days. We were there from 9 to 17th April. Got back this morning at 4AM
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[18:28] <x-f> had fun there?
[18:29] <x-f> i know at least two HABs were launched from there
[18:29] <Chesnut> Our meteo group was there, but I think they didn't do any launches
[18:30] <Chesnut> Due to the restrictions... first they had to wait the 1 week 'warning' period and when the time came, our boss decided it should be canceled
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[18:31] <x-f> then somebody else launched them
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[18:33] <Ijon_Tichi> heyho
[18:34] <x-f> haya
[18:36] <Ijon_Tichi> is there some kind of list for planed baloon starts?
[18:37] <Ijon_Tichi> im realy curious to recieve an baloon here at my qth in central germany, but it would be nice if there is some kind of information source when starts will happen :)
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[18:37] <x-f> not really, launches are usually announced a day or two before they take place
[18:37] <x-f> some don't announce them at all.
[18:38] <x-f> Ijon_Tichi, there is a UKHAS mailing list, you should subscribe
[18:38] <Ijon_Tichi> that is exactly what i was typing to question for ^^ i will do
[18:39] <x-f> http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
[18:39] <x-f> there is also DL7AD's early warning system, but i don't know the link for it
[18:40] <Ijon_Tichi> hm, i will take a look at google for it :)
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[18:41] <x-f> in central Germany you're not (that) far from mclane, i think he's getting ready to launch something soon
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[18:43] <x-f> and Lunar_Lander will do a launch too :)
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> where?
[18:44] <x-f> hello, in Germany
[18:44] <Ijon_Tichi> i hope some people will take the free time at the easter holydays to do so ^^
[18:44] <Ijon_Tichi> hi 'lander
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[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:48] <chrisstubbs> feel like im being thick here, but I cant get either of my ntx2b's to work :P
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[18:50] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[18:50] <DL7AD> h
[18:50] <DL7AD> hi
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[18:50] <chrisstubbs> even just with 0v connected to gnd and vcc and en at 3v there is no carrier
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[18:51] <craag> chrisstubbs: Is it pulling any current?
[18:51] <chrisstubbs> 4.8ma
[18:51] <chrisstubbs> so somethings happening
[18:51] <chrisstubbs> tried it with both modules
[18:51] <craag> Hm that's a little low I think
[18:52] <LeoBodnar> do they work at 3v?
[18:52] <craag> Yes, 2.9-15
[18:52] <craag> 18ma Typ
[18:53] <chrisstubbs> its 3.3v actually so should be well above the minimum
[18:54] <craag> double-checked the pin ordering?
[18:54] <bertrik> not doing something silly like mixing up pins?
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[18:57] <chrisstubbs> http://bit.ly/1gEcwuJ nope
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[19:07] <chrisstubbs> seems unlikely to be the module becuase its both, but it seems unlikely to a a problem with my setup becuase I'm only powering the thing!
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[19:10] <craag> Have you checked the voltage on the pins so you know it's not a bad breadboard connection?
[19:10] <IjonTichi> hm, maybe you could try it with a higher supply voltage at all, just to be shure
[19:11] <craag> It's 2.7V internal - all you'll do is heat up the LDO
[19:11] <chrisstubbs> yep 3.3v on vcc and en
[19:11] <chrisstubbs> tried it on 5v, same story
[19:11] <craag> And 0v on ground?
[19:12] <chrisstubbs> yes
[19:12] <craag> Then check your rx? Got a known working tx lying around..?
[19:12] <G8KNN> tried dc grounding pins 1 & 3?
[19:12] <chrisstubbs> tested it with an old ntx2 (not b)
[19:12] <chrisstubbs> that was fine
[19:13] <craag> All the ground pins are internally connected.
[19:13] <chrisstubbs> I thought so too, just tried it anyway and its made no difference
[19:13] <craag> Strange
[19:14] <craag> These aren't ones that have been re-programmed to another freq?
[19:14] <chrisstubbs> bricked FW?
[19:14] <chrisstubbs> no these are the stock ones before upu started mdding them
[19:14] <chrisstubbs> *modding
[19:15] <craag> He does check them all before he ships them I believe
[19:15] <craag> But you've tested quite thoroughly - I can't think what else it might be
[19:15] <chrisstubbs> I think ive played with them before and got them working (at least one). They have just been sitting in their ESD box on my desk for a few months
[19:17] <chrisstubbs> tried it from a battery too so its not PSU noise or anything
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[19:28] <Upu> hey chrisstubbs
[19:28] <Upu> dodgy NTX2 ?
[19:28] <chrisstubbs> Evening UpuWork
[19:28] <chrisstubbs> oops
[19:28] <chrisstubbs> a pair of them
[19:28] <chrisstubbs> ntx2b's
[19:28] <Upu> 2 faulty ?
[19:28] <chrisstubbs> It would seem so
[19:29] <chrisstubbs> no carrier when I power them up
[19:29] <Upu> oh
[19:29] <Upu> hang on
[19:29] <Upu> toggle EN
[19:29] <Upu> off and back on again
[19:29] <Upu> have you soldered them in ?
[19:30] <chrisstubbs> oh
[19:30] <chrisstubbs> that was easy ;)
[19:30] <chrisstubbs> nope just on breadboard
[19:30] <Upu> ok that is actually a fault
[19:30] <Upu> dodgy FW from RMX
[19:30] <chrisstubbs> ahh
[19:30] <Upu> thought I'd found them all
[19:30] <Upu> my apologies I'll reprogram those for your
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[19:30] <chrisstubbs> sweet :)
[19:30] <Upu> post them back to me and I'll refund your postage
[19:30] <chrisstubbs> will just test if the other ones do the same
[19:31] <chrisstubbs> *one
[19:31] <g0pai_ian> *does
[19:31] <chrisstubbs> lol
[19:31] <chrisstubbs> the other one just seems totally dead
[19:31] <chrisstubbs> oh different frequency ;)
[19:31] <Upu> haha
[19:32] <Upu> never had a faulty one tbh
[19:32] <chrisstubbs> hmm this one seems to be okay now ive toggle it, fine after power cycles
[19:32] <chrisstubbs> but its from the same batch, so shall i send them both?
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[19:32] <Upu> yes send both
[19:33] <Upu> I'll put the new firmware on that makes it frequency agile and fixes that bug
[19:34] <Upu> anyway sorry about that RMX send me about 40 with the fault, I thought I'd only shipped a few
[19:34] <chrisstubbs> cheers, will get them in the post to you
[19:34] <Upu> address PM'd
[19:35] <Upu> however if you want to play with them tonight just toggle EN and it switches it on
[19:37] <Willdude> Decided in the end to just make the breadboard up as I go along
[19:37] Action: Willdude just had the urge to design a PCB
[19:37] <Willdude> Could make a PCB version
[19:39] <nats`> Willdude is it a RF circuit ?
[19:39] <Willdude> Yeah
[19:40] <nats`> so breadboard is usually bad
[19:40] <nats`> I would advice to make a flying wire circuit :)
[19:40] <nats`> they have 'surprisingly) good performance for RF stuff :)
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[19:43] Nick change: trashman2000000 -> xXxT33B4gg3urxXx
[19:44] Nick change: xXxT33B4gg3urxXx -> nigelvh
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[20:01] Action: Upu ponders nigelvh
[20:02] <nigelvh> Ponder indeed
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> B-45 http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/122398_trj001.gif 5500m mountains in the way
[20:03] Action: nigelvh was in another channel talking about terrible terrible nicks. Some of which were old ones back when we were young and stupid, and others were just things we came up with.
[20:03] <Upu> I guessed :)
[20:03] <Upu> as long as it stays at 8km shouldn't be an issue LeoBodnar ? :)
[20:04] <nigelvh> How's things going over here on the other side of the planet?
[20:04] <Upu> good thanks :)
[20:04] <Upu> bank holiday
[20:04] <Upu> all good :)
[20:04] <Upu> LeoBodnar has had a 5 day floater
[20:04] <nigelvh> Fancy pants both to holidays and floaters.
[20:05] <Upu> think the updraft will cause it to burst LeoBodnar ?
[20:05] <nigelvh> When you guys gonna float one over this way?
[20:05] <Upu> it started out
[20:05] <Upu> got to Azores didn't like the look of your freedom and turned back
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> depends on wind speed. look at how quickly it rises beneath it
[20:05] <Upu> yeah thats scary
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[20:06] <Laurenceb> hi
[20:06] <Upu> hello
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> it is actually funny that the Breitling Orbiter 3 balloon did a similar trajectory after launching from switzerland
[20:06] <nigelvh> Get one to pop in Washington state and I'll go collect it for you.
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> instead of going east, the meteorologists opted for going south west to Morocco and then into the eastward route around the world
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> which also shifted the finish line west to Mauretania
[20:08] <LeoBodnar> i have slightly smaller budget than Breitling
[20:08] <Upu> lol
[20:08] <LeoBodnar> and fewer meteorologist
[20:08] <LeoBodnar> s
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[20:09] <Laurenceb> look like thats the last position
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[20:17] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: WSPR needs tx frequency accurate to +-3.5ppm
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> ok
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> do you have spec links?
[20:17] <Laurenceb> seems doable ?
[20:18] <Laurenceb> 1 sec
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[20:18] <Laurenceb> http://www.george-smart.co.uk/wiki/Arduino_WSPR
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> seems ok
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[20:22] <Willdude> Using eagle after having not used it for a while is like going back to school after summer
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[20:30] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/122808_trj001.gif
[20:30] <Laurenceb> rain :(
[20:30] <LeoBodnar> at -35ºC ?
[20:30] <LeoBodnar> more like 100% RH
[20:31] <Laurenceb> oops wrong time
[20:31] <Willdude> Can anyone walk me through making an eagle footprint?
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/122815_trj001.gif
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> watch the talons
[20:32] <Laurenceb> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/122829_trj001.gif
[20:41] <myself> okay, link not loading for me, but I'm pretty sure that's one small regolith impression for man, one giant pun for LeoBodnar.
[20:41] <myself> oh, nope.
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> have you just had a problem?
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[20:49] <myself> Eagle footprints: http://airandspace.si.edu/webimages/previews/GPN-2001-000012p.jpg
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[21:01] <Willdude123> Anyone?
[21:01] <chrisstubbs> Heh
[21:02] <chrisstubbs> No idea myself I'm afraid Willdude123, all I can suggest is youtube
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[21:06] <Willdude123> chrisstubbs, hmm
[21:06] <Willdude123> the main problem is it looks like a transistor
[21:07] <chrisstubbs> thats probably a TO-92 package then
[21:08] <Willdude123> it is
[21:08] <Willdude123> Just can't figure how to make it into a separate part
[21:17] <Willdude123> Someone might eb able to help soon
[21:17] <Willdude123> *else
[21:17] <Willdude123> I'kll ask again tomorrow
[21:18] <chrisstubbs> Can you duplicate a simalar part and edit it?
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[21:19] <Willdude123> Maybe
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> you need a TO-92 part?
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> like, a generic transistor?
[21:19] <Willdude123> Not any similar parts around tho
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[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> please explain your problem at the following prompt
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> My Problem is:
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> .
[21:20] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[21:20] <Willdude123> My problem is I need a TO-92 part
[21:20] <Willdude123> For eagle
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> is that a generic thing?
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> or do you have some part that is not just like a transistor with base, emitter and collector?
[21:21] <Willdude123> And I need to edit it so the names are right
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> do you know how to work with the editor?
[21:22] <Willdude123> It's not, it's a non-transistor in a TO-92 case
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> you can make your own library but you don't have to make the footprint yourself
[21:22] <adamgreig> eagle comes with a library of footprints that contains a to92
[21:22] <adamgreig> just use that
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> you make your library with your own symbol for the schematic and then you can copy any TO-92 footprint
[21:22] <Willdude123> The part editor? No, but I know the rest of eagleOK
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> or what adamgreig said
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/110 about the editor
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> as I said you can draw your own symbol
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> and then copy any other TO-92 footprint
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
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[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/16030/new-eagle-library-reuse-standard-package-symbol
[21:29] <mikestir> Willdude123: Start by creating your own library (File->New->Library). Then draw the symbol, place pins, name as required. Draw a box in the "Symbols" layer and add text ">NAME" in the Names layer, and ">VALUE" in the Values layer. Now go back to the control panel and find the standard library "ref packages". Look for TO92 footprint and right click, "Copy to Library". Then go back to your new library and create a part.
[21:29] <mikestir> Add your symbol to the part (press A). Set the ref des prefix, e.g. IC or U. Press "New" to add a footprint and pick the TO92 one you copied, then "Connect" to map your pins. You're probably going to need a you tube video, but that's the gist of it.
[21:29] <Willdude123> Waiiit
[21:29] <Willdude123> There's no stock part for me
[21:30] <Willdude123> http://imgur.com/xUHTtws
[21:30] <mikestir> take the hyphen out and put a * on the end
[21:30] <mikestir> or just look in ref_packages.lbr
[21:33] <Willdude123> ref_packages aren't showing in add
[21:36] <Willdude123> Very odd
[21:36] <Willdude123> Even after importing it the aren't there
[21:37] <Willdude123> Argh
[21:39] <mikestir> it won't show in add - it doesn't have any parts in it, only footprints. You need to view it in control panel and use the "copy to library" function to put it in your own library
[21:42] <Willdude123> Right, how do I place pins on the editor
[21:43] <mikestir> bottom left tool
[21:43] <mikestir> says "pin"
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[21:44] <Willdude123> Not seeing it
[21:44] <Willdude123> Nope, not there
[21:44] <Willdude123> Wait
[21:44] <mikestir> are you in the library editor and have you created a new symbol?
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[21:44] <Willdude123> I just added a new part
[21:44] <Willdude123> Drawn symbol
[21:45] <mikestir> screenshot
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[21:46] <Willdude123> http://i.imgur.com/B1qCBQ8.png
[21:48] <mikestir> how have you managed to edit the library in the schematic editor?
[21:50] <Willdude123> Erm I went on library
[21:50] <Willdude123> Then new
[21:51] <Willdude123> New/Library rather
[21:51] <Willdude123> Symbol
[21:51] <Willdude123> Typed in ZN414Z
[21:51] <mikestir> wow, can you still buy those?
[21:52] <mikestir> you don't seem to have the right toolbar for the symbol editor
[21:52] <Willdude123> mikestir, no
[21:52] <mikestir> it's got the pad/SMT tools
[21:52] <Willdude123> CLone
[21:52] <Willdude123> Right
[21:52] <mikestir> there should be a pin tool down there
[21:53] <mikestir> but then I'm using version 6.4, and you're on 6.5
[21:53] <Willdude123> Erm, IDK
[21:54] <Willdude123> Hmm
[21:57] <Willdude123> Screen after New/Library http://imgur.com/upZ34Gy
[22:01] <mikestir> yep. so you want that button with the single gate icon
[22:05] <Willdude123> mikestir, so the one with symbol as a tooltip...
[22:05] <Willdude123> ?
[22:06] <mikestir> yes
[22:06] <Willdude123> If you want to take a look I can set up a join.me session
[22:08] <mikestir> going to bed in a minute
[22:09] <mikestir> I'll do it tomorrow though if you haven't figured it out by then
[22:11] <Maxell> woot \o/ all nasty RF into the USB sound card is gone
[22:13] <Maxell> So HF 40, 20 and 10 meters QRV digital modes
[22:14] <Maxell> Fixed in two parts: more clamp-on ferrite beads on the USB cable, and today installed a better earth pin
[22:14] <Maxell> The latter one seems to effect most of the performance.
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[22:41] <DL7AD_> ping LeoBodnar
[22:42] <LeoBodnar> yo
[22:43] <DL7AD_> sent an pm to you
[22:43] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
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