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[06:08] <G8KNN> m0xer-5 being received by CU6NS on Pico island in the Azores!
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[06:21] <LeoBodnar> morning *
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[06:33] <DL7AD> hi
[06:33] <LeoBodnar> morning Sven
[06:33] <DL7AD> rofl
[06:33] <DL7AD> i never exspected where b45 actually is
[06:34] <DL7AD> the prediction have been completely wrong
[06:34] <DL7AD> morning btw
[06:34] <LeoBodnar> that was the original plan when I have launched it but strangely prediction has changed
[06:36] <LeoBodnar> original intent: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/113482_trj001.gif
[06:37] <Upu> the azores ? lol
[06:37] <LeoBodnar> heh
[06:37] <LeoBodnar> sunrise soon
[06:38] <LeoBodnar> Upu: i thought i'd test their APRS for when you are coming the other way
[06:38] <Upu> lol
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[06:39] <DL7AD> Leo? how do you want to come back?
[06:40] <DL7AD> the prediction is still odd from the original point http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajresults.pl?jobidno=141710
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[06:42] <DL7AD_> oppppps...Im back
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[06:48] <LeoBodnar> no idea where it goes next
[06:48] <LeoBodnar> and no idea why it floats at 7600m now
[06:48] <LeoBodnar> it should have stretched yesterday and floated at ~8200m
[06:49] <LeoBodnar> try 7600m as one of the altitudes
[06:50] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: http://dl7ad.de/hab_contacts/balloon2.php?filter=B-45
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[06:52] <LeoBodnar> right, so pico balloon is visiting the Pico island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pico_Island
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[06:57] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: ^^
[06:57] <DL7AD> allright
[06:58] <DL7AD> sun is rising
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[07:29] <sp2ipt> hi
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[07:33] <Upu> morning sp2ipt
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[07:34] <jcoxon> Ooo b-45
[07:35] <sp2ipt> yesterday SP3OSJ launched payload for the second time (got rescued in the evening, cleaned and repaired). Now it's over Lithuania
[07:36] <Upu> yup jcoxon :)
[07:36] <Upu> lemmie guess
[07:36] <Upu> it was rescued by aeroplane again ?
[07:37] <sp2ipt> no :) regular rescue by a nearbu HAM
[07:37] <jcoxon> I wish i could do what leo does
[07:38] <jcoxon> Way ahead of all of us
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[07:39] <Upu> yup if you fancy writing some APRS code I have a payload that could do it :)
[07:39] <Upu> I've ground to a halt with the code at the moment
[07:39] <sp2ipt> Upu: unfortunately it's the worst QTF for me, higher blocks 300 m away plus whole city of QRMs :/
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[07:40] <jcoxon> Hehe, my coding skills arent that good
[07:40] <Upu> Mine neither
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[07:41] <sp2ipt> oh and BTW - do NOT upgrade your MS Remote Desktop for OSX - broken pipe and a hang in 10 minutes
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[07:41] <rx000> no signal for SP3OSJ at the moment in Kaunas :(
[07:41] <jcoxon> Upu going to launch a ukhasnet payload soon
[07:42] <Upu> ok cool foil or latex ?
[07:42] <jcoxon> See how it performs
[07:42] <jcoxon> Lated
[07:42] <G0WXI> Good morning, I'm trying to get my flight doc for G-03 approved for a launch today at 10:00am BST, can anyone help please? Thanks
[07:42] <jcoxon> latex, get some altitude
[07:42] <Upu> sure g0pai_ian
[07:42] <Upu> err
[07:42] <Upu> G0WXI
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[07:42] <Upu> done
[07:43] <Upu> can't even stand up out there today
[07:43] <Upu> not Pico friendly
[07:44] <Upu> I'll drop that mail you posted G0WXI as its already done
[07:45] <G0WXI> Many Thanks
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[07:51] <sp2ipt> rx000: try to look a little up
[07:52] <sp2ipt> rx000: I have it on 437,702
[07:52] <rx000> ok, I'll try
[07:53] <rx000> still nothing, but we'll see
[07:54] <sp2ipt> rx000: try to look, also use vertical antennas not horizontal - tropo setup will be no good
[07:54] <rx000> I use vertical, dualbander, GP9
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[07:57] <sp2ipt> rx000: similar setup to mine :)
[07:58] <rx000> yes, but for receiving I use SDR
[08:00] <sp2ipt> usualy me too, I've switched to tr-851 yesterday because I was not sure if I didn't break my SDR while adding external TCXO
[08:01] <rx000> I have no other option at the moment - only SDR :)
[08:01] <sp2ipt> last ~good frame $$CP3OSJ,1307,075419,55.6171,22.969851,6392,%5,554.32,1.47,1."0*397 abt 5 min ago
[08:05] <jcoxon> Any predictions of where b-45 goes next?
[08:06] <rx000> I can read also http://sp7pki.iq24.pl/default.asp?grupa=230409&temat=374402&nr_str=3, but "Mo|liwo[ pisania nowych wiedomo[ci zostaBa chwilowo zablokowana", so I can't write there
[08:08] <sp2ipt> rx000: weird - it says writing new messages has temporarily beed disabled
[08:08] <rx000> no tak, ja rozumiem :)
[08:09] <sp2ipt> rx000: ok :)
[08:09] <sp2ipt> probably an update
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[08:17] <db_g6gzh> Morning, I see Leo has sent a pico towards Pico 8-)
[08:18] <SA6BSS> jcoxon: http://dl7ad.de/hab_contacts/balloon2.php?filter=B-45
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[08:21] <malgar> Hi, I would like to setup an hourly predictor in habhub. How is the manager of the service?
[08:22] <malgar> sorry
[08:22] <malgar> WHO is
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[08:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
[08:37] <Upu> morning Herman
[08:37] <Upu> Hi malgar
[08:37] <Upu> you can speak to me
[08:37] <Upu> pm me your mail address
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[08:45] <ibanezmatt13> morning
[08:45] <Upu> morning
[08:46] <Upu> anyone got the RCForb client and can connect to CU2ARA sucessfully ?
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[08:54] <DL7AD> x-f: ping! sp3osj coming
[08:58] <x-f> DL7AD, cheers, will keep an eye on it
[09:01] <DL7AD> x-f: it should be already in your region
[09:02] <DL7AD> x-f: in your south direction
[09:02] <x-f> ah, didnt notice the time
[09:02] <DL7AD> x-f: frequency 437.700
[09:03] <x-f> got it, thanks
[09:05] <x-f> hearing, decoding, uploading
[09:09] <db_g6gzh> G-03 is away
[09:09] <Upu> sure ?
[09:10] <Upu> looks like its about to come down again :/
[09:10] <db_g6gzh> well now you mention it ...
[09:10] <Upu> I've seen them do this
[09:11] <Upu> especially if its windy
[09:11] <db_g6gzh> it was a vey slow initial climb
[09:12] <db_g6gzh> I think it's relying on the curvature of the earth
[09:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Just about http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/G-03_20140413/
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[09:14] <Upu> it will go
[09:17] <fsphil> leo at it again I see
[09:18] <Upu> indeed
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[09:18] <Upu> I fixed the database so ignore ping from earlier (thx to x-f)
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[09:20] <fsphil> yea just catching up. having a late morning :)
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[09:24] <sp2ipt> rx000: any luck?
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[09:30] <darkstar-2001> Can't decode G-03 using the params in the latest posting to the list.
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[09:33] <CS8ABA> Good morning. setting up here. Have not been on UHF sinse las year. so was not ready.
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[09:36] <CS8ABA> B-45,1637,Ø93317,14Ø413,38.8653,-28.9264,61Ø1,1Ø,1,3.95,Ø.58*EE6C $$B-45,1638,Ø93453,14Ø413,38.859,-28.9349,6163,11,3,3.96,Ø.58*A7E4
[09:36] <rx000> sp2ipt no! it's strange, solleagues in Latvia receiving SP3OSJ
[09:37] <LeoBodnar> wow nice catch CS8ABA
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[09:38] <CS8ABA> tnx. I was not ready, so just dialed the frequency as soon as i plugged the antennas, and there it was.
[09:39] <db_g6gzh> darkstar-2001: it's RTTY 300/425 7N2
[09:39] <darkstar-2001> Yep that's what I'm trying.
[09:40] <db_g6gzh> oh, well that's working here
[09:40] <CS8ABA> $$B-45,1639,Ø93732,14Ø413,38.8478,-9487,6217,1Ø,3,3.96,Ø.59*BC57 $$B-45,164Ø,Ø939Ø8,14Ø413,38.84Ø5,-28.958,6235,1Ø,3,3.97,Ø.59*DE9B
[09:41] <CS8ABA> what is the transmitter pwr?
[09:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> CS8ABA: nice work
[09:41] <LeoBodnar> 15mW
[09:41] <LeoBodnar> UHF is 10mW
[09:42] <darkstar-2001> OK I'll record some direct from rtlsdr (the signals >20dB here) and figure out whats up with my dl-fldigi
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[09:42] <CS8ABA> Nice. Signal is not vy strong, but good for 100% decode
[09:44] <LeoBodnar> can you set up dl-fldigi?
[09:45] <CS8ABA> $$B-45,1641,Ø94147,14Ø413,38.8273,-28.9733,6251,9,3,3.97,Ø.59*2CØ8 $$B-45,1642,Ø94323,14Ø413,38.8191,-28.982,6259,9,3,3,Ø.59*C69A
[09:45] <CS8ABA> I am using DM780
[09:45] <LeoBodnar> ah ok
[09:46] <CS8ABA> Didn't had time to set up another decoder
[09:46] <CS8ABA> but working on it
[09:47] <CS8ABA> Any link for Dload? pse
[09:47] <LeoBodnar> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[09:48] <LeoBodnar> and setup guide http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[09:48] <LeoBodnar> you need to select Contestia 8/250 manually from the menu after you have autoconfigured the flight
[09:49] <CS8ABA> $$B-45,1643,Ø94559,14Ø413,38.8Ø65,-28.9961,6328,9,2,3.98,Ø.61*A8D6 $$B-45,1644,Ø94735,14Ø413,38.7986,-29.ØØ55,6378,1Ø,3,3.99,Ø.61*39C6
[09:49] <CS8ABA> ok
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[09:53] <darkstar-2001> db_g6gzh: A recompile got it sorted. Weird!
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[09:59] <CS8ABA> fl-digi not decoding, iv'e set up contestia 8/250, still no decode
[10:00] <CS8ABA> lost 2 data streams
[10:01] <LeoBodnar> are you in USB?
[10:01] <LeoBodnar> SQL off
[10:01] <CS8ABA> yes
[10:02] <LeoBodnar> Rv button should be off for USB
[10:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> G03 info in dlfldigi ok ??
[10:02] <CS8ABA> done let's see next time
[10:02] <LeoBodnar> did you have it on?
[10:02] <CS8ABA> yes
[10:02] <CS8ABA> fst time fl-digi for me
[10:03] <LeoBodnar> that was it, it reverses audiospectrum for LSB use
[10:03] <CS8ABA> rr
[10:03] <LeoBodnar> *reverses decoding not waterfall
[10:04] <CS8ABA> auto config din't work, maybe i need the xml file for this flight
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[10:04] <db_g6gzh> darkstar-2001: very odd, but glad you sorted it
[10:04] <LeoBodnar> Try turning RxID button as well if the signal drifts
[10:05] <LeoBodnar> autoconfig forces Domino mode as Contestia is not in the flight mode options yet
[10:06] <db_g6gzh> Herman-PB0AHX: G-03 is RTTY 300/425 7N2
[10:06] <CS8ABA> ok just decoded. now does it upload data auto?
[10:07] <LeoBodnar> do you have "online" selected in DL client menu?
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[10:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> db_g6gzh: tnx info no 50bd but 300 bd tnx
[10:08] <CS8ABA> yes it's online
[10:08] <CS8ABA> the drift u mean AFC?
[10:08] <Willdude123> :-) ordering 38down 2up internet
[10:08] <LeoBodnar> yes
[10:08] <CS8ABA> it's on
[10:08] <LeoBodnar> ok
[10:09] <bertrik_> is G-03 a floater, or a "regular" balloon?
[10:09] <CS8ABA> does not give distance
[10:09] <LeoBodnar> can you post a screenshot?
[10:10] <CS8ABA> how do i do it here
[10:10] <PE2G> CS8ABA: DL Client > Configure > Location > enter your decimal co-ordinates
[10:10] <CS8ABA> ok
[10:11] <G8KNN> bertrik_: its a pico floater
[10:13] <LeoBodnar> dl-fldigi can be bewildering at first :D
[10:15] <CS8ABA> how about the screenshot?
[10:15] <CS8ABA> by mail it's easy
[10:15] <LeoBodnar> you can email to lbodnar@dsl.pipex.com
[10:16] <CS8ABA> sending
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[10:17] <PE2G> CS8ABA: Your station location is showing on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[10:18] <LeoBodnar> cool
[10:19] <es5nhc> OK... how often does SP3OSJ squawk? Trying to locate it
[10:20] <CS8ABA> just sent u a new snip now it has all the data
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[10:20] <x-f> es5nhc, continous RTTY
[10:20] <es5nhc> kthx
[10:21] <es5nhc> And freq is 437.7?
[10:21] <x-f> yep
[10:24] <x-f> it may have hit a rain cloud..
[10:26] <LeoBodnar> thanks CS8ABA i will reupload it to the website when i figure out how :D
[10:26] <DL7AD> CS8ABA: ping.... are you currently here?
[10:26] <es5nhc> so far have not found it
[10:27] <CS8ABA> yes
[10:28] <CS8ABA> was tryin to set up cat
[10:31] <CS8ABA> second line failed to decode
[10:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> strange signaal from G03 piep brbrbrbrbr piep brbrbrbrbr
[10:32] <es5nhc> x-f, are you getting at exactly at 437.7?
[10:33] <gonzo__> nice little visualisation iof air traffic http://vimeo.com/88093956
[10:33] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: What's your dial for G-03?
[10:33] <Upu> hi CS8ABA told you we'd get a balloon over you one day :)
[10:33] <x-f> es5nhc, pretty much yes
[10:33] <es5nhc> B44 has last position over Syria(!). Really?
[10:34] <Upu> yes really :)
[10:34] <CS8ABA> yeap U sure did
[10:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: 434.510.2
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[10:34] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Tnx
[10:34] <es5nhc> Data comes how, APRS?
[10:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> yesssss first green from G03
[10:34] <es5nhc> Or HF?
[10:35] <Upu> ok aprs imported is off whilst Paulo is recieving
[10:35] <Upu> yes es5nhc
[10:35] <Upu> APRS
[10:35] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[10:35] <Upu> super there you go CS8ABA :)
[10:35] <CS8ABA> It's lots of fun for me. The only V/U activity besides satelite and DX during Tropo season is balooning ;)
[10:36] <es5nhc> Sweet. Didn't know there was so many APRS trackers in Middle East
[10:36] <Upu> well thanks for stepping up again :) Ok I'm off to walk my dog
[10:36] <Upu> es5nhc I think it was Turkey that digi'd it
[10:36] <Upu> afk
[10:36] <CS8ABA> another good decode
[10:38] <es5nhc> Guess Cyprus too for some time
[10:38] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: thats quick!
[10:38] <x-f> es5nhc, 437.700.5 to be more precise
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[10:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: yes but lot of red lines no green he is strong
[10:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> noe green
[10:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> e=w
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[10:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: elevatation = -0.2 hihihih
[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Anybody have a dial freq for G-03 ?
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[10:48] <number10> 434.510
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[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OK found himits 434.51 not 434.125 as publised duhh
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[10:52] <PE2G> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/144018_trj001.gif
[10:52] <number10> Geoff-G8DHE-M: graem emailed the correct freq I think
[10:53] <Herman-PB0AHX> to all how mni power is G03 ??
[10:53] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: very nice yes -0,2 degrees must be some sort of ducting or are you up very high?
[10:53] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[10:53] <G8KNN> Herman-PB0AHX: I think it is 10mW
[10:53] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: antennes here 24 mtr agl
[10:53] <number10_M0MDB> I guess its 10ms Herman-PB0AHX
[10:53] <number10_M0MDB> mw
[10:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> \ok tnx info number10_M0MDB
[10:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> G03 is so strong like local station
[10:59] <PE2G> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/144040_trj001.gif
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[11:01] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: hoor je G03 all ??
[11:02] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Nope
[11:03] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Too far below my horizon
[11:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: ok
[11:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> LeoBodnar: very nice that cs8 station wow
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[11:12] <LeoBodnar> Yes Paulo CS8ABA have helped balloonists on both sides of the Atlantic :D
[11:14] <DL7AD> on which frequeny does G-03 work?
[11:15] <G0WXI> DL7AD: G-03 is on 434.510 300 Baud 7n2
[11:15] <Maxell> .,DL7AD 434.510 mhz
[11:15] <DL7AD> thx G0WXI Maxell
[11:15] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: isn't tat normal for ballons?
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> The predictions for B-45 for the missing part of the flight path are nothing like the course taken !
[11:19] <LeoBodnar> did you check all altitudes Geoff-G8DHE ?
[11:20] <LeoBodnar> i suspect it could have been icing up and yoyoing all night
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm just about to start above 8.6Km going lower - as I thought it might be - is nothing at all like the path
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> This is 5,6,7Kms http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_144168&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
[11:20] <LeoBodnar> could have well spent the night anywhere betwen 1km and 7km
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Been down to 4Km no ompovment I'll try down to 1Km!
[11:21] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: wat u mean ??
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes below 1.5Km is getting more like it!
[11:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> i BBL
[11:23] Nick change: Herman-PB0AHX -> Herman-PB0AHX-bb
[11:24] <LeoBodnar> indeed but where speed has come from?
[11:24] <LeoBodnar> it's probably just very mixed up area
[11:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think so
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[11:25] <LeoBodnar> try moving around starting position by say 50 km
[11:25] <LeoBodnar> NOAA had an option for that
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes tried an Ensemble boy is it mixed! http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_144512&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
[11:27] <bertrik_> finally got a green decode from G-03, it seems to be a bit bursty
[11:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think it continued for a while at 8.6Kms then dived several hours later into the mixed up air! the trouble is what time did it dive!
[11:28] <LeoBodnar> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/144596_trj001.gif
[11:28] <LeoBodnar> i don't understand what it does but it looks right
[11:29] <DL7AD> Geoff-G8DHE: what a mess ^^
[11:30] <LeoBodnar> wait, timing is still wrong by a factor of two
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[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah this is more like it its a BACKWARD prediction rather than forward check the heights as well http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_144862&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
[11:39] <bertrik_> I see a lot of short bursts from G-03 saying just "** G-03 **", is that intentional?
[11:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes apparently very difficult to decode this
[11:40] <CS8ABA> I know B-45 antenna is vertical, however best receive is horizontal...
[11:40] <Herman-PB0AHX-bb> bertrik_: set bandwidth to 200 than ok here
[11:41] Nick change: Herman-PB0AHX-bb -> Herman-PB0AHX
[11:42] <es5nhc> At this rate SP3OSJ is gonna land in ES!
[11:42] <es5nhc> Rainclouds approaching here too
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[11:43] <LeoBodnar> interesting CS8ABA, it's actually 2m vert dipole that i used on 70cm as well so radiation pattern/polarisation is weird at best, plus it has solar panels in the way
[11:44] <LeoBodnar> telemtry should come more often now, as battery is charged
[11:45] <PE2G> bertrik_: Yes, I thinks so. Graeme G0WXI wrote: "Every 3 seconds the Tx will send just the flight name, in order to hopefully keep AFC happy."
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[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right this might start to give a flight path its older prediction + actual = backward prediction! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-45_20140411/index.php?ind=1
[11:47] <CS8ABA> Yes that could be it, pattern changes somehow. more than 30dB less on vertical. and strange... elevation of 4.9 Deg. at this altitude/distance looks like it's much lower altitude
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> = /+
[11:49] <bertrik_> PE2G: ah ok, thanks
[11:49] <CS8ABA> Using 4X32 elem cross pol the beam with at this distances is vy critical
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[11:52] <LeoBodnar> interesting info CS8ABA, this is pretty much line-of-sight so nothing to bounce off and change polarisation in-between receiver and transmitter
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[11:53] <CS8ABA> expet the ocean mirror
[11:56] Nick change: bertrik_ -> bertrik
[11:58] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: well, as soon as the balloon is above the horizon and you have a clear view it should be strong
[11:59] <Herman-PB0AHX> bertrik: now he is 59++ here
[11:59] <LeoBodnar> good work Geoff-G8DHE! two questions: what's next for B-45? and are you available for hire by Malaysian Airlines?
[11:59] <Herman-PB0AHX> bertrik: my antenne is 7 ele virtical
[11:59] <CS8ABA> Lots of clowds to the south but signal is good
[12:00] <LeoBodnar> was it raining earlier?
[12:00] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: 11 elements yagi 2 meters above ground == S0 :P
[12:01] <Maxell> But for some reason the scheveningen beacon is also S0 yet clearly audiable.
[12:01] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: that is not good scheveningen is here 59+++++
[12:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: someting rong there ??
[12:02] <Maxell> hmm not good ideed
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[12:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: scheveningen is here on breinaald 59+
[12:03] <CS8ABA> At this QTF my line of sight is the Earth curvature, plus my noise foor is -190dB ;)
[12:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> and G03 now 175 km from me
[12:04] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: HI!
[12:04] <CS8ABA> But be aware of tropo and ductig extension and or deviation
[12:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> altitude is 4286
[12:05] <pb1dft> hmm it ain't decoding a single line
[12:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> bad for u terry
[12:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> he is very very strong here
[12:07] <bertrik> pb1dft: autoconfig says 50 bps, but it's actually 300 bps for G-03
[12:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes 300 bd
[12:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> and bandwidth i have it here on 200
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[12:09] <Student> Hello i have a quick question did anyone use this yet https://github.com/jamescoxon/Misc-Projects/tree/master/RFM22 and were u succesfel in making RTTY
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[12:12] <DL7AD> Student: not yet.
[12:12] <pb1dft> yeah configured it properly by forgot to turn de dongle on ;)
[12:12] <pb1dft> decoding now ;)
[12:12] <pb1dft> somehow pc rebooted itself last night
[12:12] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: ok, without antenna S0 no audiable PI7CIS, with X-30 still S0 but very audiable.
[12:13] <mfa298> Student: people have done rtty using the RFM22 although I'm not sure if it's based on that library or not.
[12:13] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: mm is not good he is so strong in this region
[12:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> pb1dft: lol yes u must turn on the dongel mhihihihi
[12:15] <Maxell> could the S meter be broken? :P
[12:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes is posibel Maxell
[12:16] <x-f> Student, mfa298, that is the right lib, and with the example from UKHAS wiki it's pretty straightforward
[12:16] <Maxell> nope, my klik-aan-klik-uit on 433 mhz is S9+ or S9++
[12:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> mmm
[12:16] <Student> Ye i'm trying to get it working with a pic :)
[12:17] <Maxell> I need the antenna to get higher!!! :P
[12:17] <nats`> boyz I have an idea to maximize tracking of balloon
[12:17] <nats`> we could maybe do a map of QRM
[12:17] <nats`> to find good frequency before launch following the predicted path
[12:17] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: never the antenne is to high fun
[12:17] <nats`> I mean for example in my area 434.5 is to avoid there is a huge QRM all around
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[12:20] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: ok, back to tha yagi now. I hear the whitle sound :)
[12:20] <CS8ABA> New Image sent looking good on the screen.
[12:21] <Maxell> Yet far to weak to decode.
[12:21] <CS8ABA> Gonna leave home for 20 min or so. hoppe the rotor controler doesn't fail tracking
[12:22] <mfa298> Student: you'll probably need to re-write it for the pic but it should at least tell you what commands you need to send to the rfm22 to set it up.
[12:23] <LeoBodnar> thanks CS8ABA
[12:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> distance to Go3 for me now 165 km
[12:24] <Student> Ye i'm rewrting it all but it's not that much tbh just a few changes
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[12:26] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: same for revspace: 167.6km
[12:26] <Maxell> 244.7 degrees
[12:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: revspace is writing very well
[12:27] <number10_M0MDB> thats a good idea nats`
[12:27] <nats`> number10_M0MDB it should be a little work but using fl-digi or things like rtlsdr we could upload a qrm information on the map
[12:27] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: bearing here is 245.4
[12:27] <nats`> with some comment
[12:28] <nats`> like when you click on station on the map
[12:28] <number10_M0MDB> that would be useful
[12:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> but the signaal is very stable here hole day
[12:29] <nats`> this would maybe deserve a discussion with admini of the tracking service
[12:29] <number10_M0MDB> maybe send an email to the group with your idea
[12:29] <nats`> you'll laugh but I don't know what is the email of this group :D
[12:30] <number10_M0MDB> :) https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[12:31] Nick change: RaptorJesus_ -> RaptorJesus
[12:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> no gps sigs from go3 hihi
[12:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> i can not cp paste from other system
[12:33] <number10_M0MDB> NO GPS SIG - Sats in View = 6 - Batt Volts = 2.877V - Loop Volts = 0.910V - Xtal trim = 74
[12:33] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: yeah, as soon as it is high enough the type of antenna and receiver do not matter anymore
[12:33] <nats`> number10_M0MDB my english is.... approximativ
[12:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> number10_M0MDB: tnx yes i see it on screen
[12:34] <number10_M0MDB> your english is fine nats`
[12:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: correct
[12:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: on gerbrandy tower in ijselstijn u dont nee a antenne
[12:37] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: we should get a raspberry pi with rtl-sdr or fcdp+ on such towers :P
[12:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: fun yes i think it is working very fine
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[12:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: u listening now also on 2 mtr ??
[12:40] <sp2ipt> es5nhc: get ready for rescue mission ;)
[12:41] <temsa> test
[12:42] <DL7AD> temsa: test successful
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[12:43] <temsa> Does anyone know whether PAVA R9 wiring diagram anywhere??
[12:44] <Upu> yup
[12:44] <Upu> its on my computer
[12:44] <Upu> here C:\Users\Anthony\Dropbox\eagle\Archived\picoAva_FC\R92
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[12:46] <sp2ipt> Upu: -bash: cd: C:UsersAnthonyDropboxeagleArchivedpicoAva_FCR92: No such file or directory :P
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[12:46] <Upu> hehe
[12:47] <Upu> why do you ask temsa
[12:48] <temsa> What circuit is lipo battery? BYN 37?? what is it? It is the intention for something similar here in Finland to try :)
[12:48] <nats`> number10_M0MDB I posted a message but don't know if it's in the good place
[12:49] <Upu> the lipo circuit is an SVP1040 with a buck regulator to bring it down to 1.8V
[12:49] <Upu> TPS62290 for the buck
[12:50] <nats`> I don't see the message in the list
[12:50] <Upu> SPV1040 sorry
[12:50] <nats`> maybe there is a moderation
[12:50] <Upu> hang on
[12:50] <aadamson> the lipo circuit *isnt* the svp10840 (spv1040), that's the PV controller
[12:50] <nats`> Upu if I'm not wrong ST released a spv1050
[12:50] <nats`> :)
[12:50] <aadamson> the lipo is connected to the tps62290 to regulate it down to *whatever* voltage
[12:50] <Upu> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/sense_power/FM142/CL1810/SC1517/PF251161
[12:50] <nats`> I have to test it at work soon
[12:50] <Upu> your mail is posted nats`
[12:51] <aadamson> while on this topic, has *anyone* actually used dl-fldigi for more than a few hours to listen to a test setup and push data to habhub?
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[12:51] <aadamson> I can consistently crash dl-fldigi and lock up it's ability to push data using thor16
[12:51] <nats`> ohh thanks upu :)
[12:52] <Upu> I have had some issues but generally its ok aadamson
[12:52] <CS8ABA> i'm back looks like it's still working
[12:52] <Upu> yup you're still decoding CS8ABA
[12:52] <Upu> btw I tried the remote reciever at Cu2ARA
[12:52] <Upu> wouldn't connect
[12:52] <nats`> Upu if interested http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM142/CL1810/SC1517/PF259832?icmp=spv1050_pron_pr-spv1050_dec2013
[12:52] <aadamson> Upu, it works, but it stop sending packets. I think it's something to do with the rate of exchange, even thou that's only about 1 packet every 15 second
[12:53] <CS8ABA> they must have so much noise it wouldn't receive this kind of low signal
[12:53] <Upu> ta nats`
[12:53] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: 2 meter, where?
[12:54] <Upu> oh wait that has a regulator and charger all in one nats` ?
[12:54] <nats`> yep :)
[12:54] <Upu> ah
[12:54] <aadamson> oooooo, that part is gonna be hard to use for hobbiests!
[12:54] <nats`> mainly for thinergy battery
[12:54] Action: Upu adds that to his list of things to play with
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[12:55] <sp2ipt> aadamson: yes I did, had it left overnight a few times - no crashes :)
[12:55] <aadamson> on windows 8.1?
[12:56] <aadamson> I'm suspecting it's an 8.1 issue with it actually
[12:56] <sp2ipt> aadamson: no, win 7
[12:56] <temsa> Thanks Upu for the update. Here the orientation is not one has been put in a ball luck :) Maybe in the summer then.
[12:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: 145.425 fm
[12:56] <aadamson> I say crash, but it actually continues to work, it says its sending data, but it really isn't and if you close it, it just hangs saying it's trying to upload pending packets, but never does
[12:58] <aadamson> is it possible to build the dl version off the latest sources? the lastest is more recent than the dl version?
[12:59] <nats`> aadamson could it be linked to the opening of the sound device
[12:59] <nats`> ?
[12:59] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: lemme tune in with portable
[12:59] <nats`> many software do that with USB for example
[12:59] <nats`> when they have trouble to release the handle
[13:00] <aadamson> nats`, I don't think so, it will be running, decoding (which it will do always), then all of a sudden it will stop sending, even though it tells you that is sent successfully.
[13:00] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: RX now
[13:00] <aadamson> the only way you know is to watch the log tail parser
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[13:00] <Maxell> ik hoor em
[13:00] <aadamson> then if you try to close dl-fldigi, it will just hange trying to *flush* it's buffers.
[13:01] <nats`> uhhmm networking socket
[13:01] <aadamson> So I suspect it's a hang in the IP stack/interface
[13:01] <aadamson> yes
[13:01] <nats`> do you have some basic knowledge of admin ?
[13:01] <aadamson> admin?
[13:01] <nats`> there are some soft to see state of each socket
[13:01] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: 70 cm yagi, sec
[13:01] <Laurenceb> what the heck
[13:01] <Laurenceb> B-45 is not following prediction
[13:02] <aadamson> nats`, I'll look into that, I know what you are talking about.
[13:02] <nats`> aadamson you could try to run wireshark
[13:02] <aadamson> yeah
[13:02] <nats`> and see if suddenly crap are happening
[13:02] <SA6BSS> The prediction for B-45 is - there is no prediction :)
[13:02] <nats`> because crap is always happening :)
[13:03] <aadamson> when it ultimately gets in this state, over about an hour, the next thing that happens is the decode starts to turn to gibberish, but I've only seen that happen once
[13:04] <mfa298> aadamson: I've had that issue a few times one other systems (Win 7 and possibly linux) I think it happens when dl-fldigi has strings to send queued up but isn't sending them for some reason.
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[13:04] <aadamson> mfa298, yes, exactly
[13:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> Maxell: no sri
[13:04] <sp2ipt> aadamson: maybe the system has a limit on simultaneous connections? I'm not sure how high are these in 8.1
[13:04] <aadamson> what port(s) are used between fldigi and habhub?
[13:05] <mfa298> I'd also highly recommend against trying to build the latest github version both because the rtty decode seems to be much worse and also because trying to compile a windows build is a right pain in the backside.
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[13:06] <mfa298> I think the uploads are all via https to habitat.habhub.org
[13:06] <aadamson> mfa298, last time I build something similar (openocd for windows), I cross built it on linux :)... much easier
[13:06] <mfa298> that's with building it on linux.
[13:06] <aadamson> ok, that makes sense... I'll have to get wireshark loaded up and watch what is happening
[13:07] <mfa298> using mingw and a lot of libraries
[13:07] <CS8ABA> B-45 when i first came on board was supposed to burst more than 4 hours ago, that was on the tracker map, yet it's still looking good ;)
[13:07] <mfa298> I think there's around 12 libraries you need compile up first and potentially fix as they don't all work properly out the tarball.
[13:08] <aadamson> yeah, thanks mfa298 I don't need yet another project :)
[13:08] <nats`> CS8ABA IIRC the burst prediction is not for pico balloon
[13:08] <chrisstubbs> are you sill working on evvgc aadamson?
[13:08] <aadamson> yeah
[13:09] <CS8ABA> yes, i mean crash
[13:09] <chrisstubbs> Blimey, how the heck do you find the time to do this as well :P
[13:09] <temsa> Is there an Upu email in which I could ask a few things??
[13:09] <Upu> you can ask here if you wish
[13:09] <aadamson> chrisstubbs, it's all just fun stuff :)
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[13:15] <LeoBodnar> CS8ABA: B-45 went into high moisture content layer, iced up and was descending but seems to have wamed up and is floating again
[13:15] <CS8ABA> Heavy Clouds and rain to B-45, Signal is lower now but still decoding
[13:16] <CS8ABA> HI HI that's what I was thinking Leo
[13:17] <temsa> In a way, is the buck being new so that's why :) Is it better than the SI4060 RFM22B?
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[13:22] <bertrik> a bit funny how most of the dutch trackers are clustered in a ~ 30km circle
[13:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> bertrik: a lot
[13:22] <Maxell> yay The Hague and about!
[13:23] <jarod> bertrik anything to track? :)
[13:23] <nats`> is it me or G-03 is really low ?
[13:23] <bertrik> jarod: yes, G-03 is up now
[13:24] <jarod> wo0t!
[13:24] <jarod> freq?
[13:24] <SA6BSS> 434.510
[13:24] <bertrik> 300 bps / ~ 430 Hz / 7n1
[13:25] <jarod> hear it!
[13:25] <bertrik> it's transmitting its callsign every 3 seconds and telemetry every 30 seconds or so
[13:25] <jarod> 1 burst, hmm
[13:25] <jarod> yes
[13:26] <jarod> exactly 434.510 ?
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[13:27] <jarod> my sdr# usb @ 2400hz good?
[13:28] <jarod> i hear it, but see nothing on the waterfall :(
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[13:32] <jarod> full RF gain now on my dvb-t antenna
[13:32] <jarod> Q"#QQQaRSHAMd`h`[ZHH_8q]!!joS
[13:33] <jarod> HAM ... :)
[13:33] <jarod> cant wait till we got the airspy....
[13:34] <jarod> would be much easier then :D
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[13:34] <temsa> Is Pava R9 source code open and available for download somewhere Upu?
[13:34] <bertrik> jarod: possibly the signal is just too weak to receive on a discone for you
[13:34] <CS8ABA> Weather is getting worst every minute. Rain...
[13:35] <Upu> temsa yes but you use it at your own risk as its work in progress https://github.com/Upuaut/pAVAR9
[13:35] <jarod> using the dvb-t antenna
[13:35] <jarod> its just to weak indeed
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[13:35] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/konig-ant-uhf70-kn.jpg, but directed to tacolneston, UK
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[13:36] <malgar> do ou have a forecast for G-03 trajectory?
[13:37] <jarod> its weird
[13:37] <jarod> bertrik auto configure via dl fldigi is ok?
[13:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> jarod: no G03 is 300 bd 7n2
[13:38] <jarod> Oh
[13:38] <jarod> help me set it please
[13:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> put opmode than rtty than custem
[13:39] <temsa> Thanks for the info. Whether one sees begins to explore the whole project ;)
[13:39] <jarod> yes.
[13:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> than in modems
[13:40] <jarod> shit 470, boud 300 now
[13:40] <jarod> got it!
[13:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> shift is 425
[13:40] <jarod> :D
[13:40] <jarod> ok
[13:40] <jarod> $$$$$G-03,949,13:40:50,0n288n1h2742,4386,$.92>,0/896,34V2*6C00
[13:40] <jarod> yay
[13:41] <temsa> Is the whole of Europe using APRS frequency of 144.800??
[13:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok
[13:41] <jarod> green!
[13:41] <jarod> $$G-03,951,13:41:26,50.925411,2.955208,4287,6,2.939,0.935,74,1*FEBA
[13:41] <jarod> awesome :D
[13:41] <Maxell> nice jarod!
[13:41] <SA6BSS> temsa: http://aprsisce.wdfiles.com/local--files/doc:frequencies/APRSVHFworldmap.png
[13:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> jarod: i have set the bandwidth to 200 here
[13:42] <Maxell> jarod: do you have 70cm filter/lna now?
[13:42] <jarod> 2400 is fine here...
[13:42] <nats`> OOT Quastion: someone knows a pastebin like bu supporting advanced math character ?
[13:42] <jarod> Maxell no just dvb-t antenna
[13:42] <jarod> [15:35] (jarod): http://x264.nl/dump/konig-ant-uhf70-kn.jpg, but directed to tacolneston, UK
[13:42] <Maxell> jarod: ah yes the yagi one
[13:42] <Maxell> it looks funky
[13:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> strong qsb now here from G03
[13:43] <Maxell> RevSpace still going fine
[13:43] <jarod> why is auto configure not working?
[13:43] <temsa> That's clarified things. SA6BSS
[13:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> ?
[13:43] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/g-03-204-04-13-hab-green.jpg :D
[13:43] <Maxell> jarod: because the owner put in the wrong information
[13:43] <jarod> doh!
[13:44] <Maxell> nice nice
[13:44] <jarod> at least i got one green, so happy
[13:44] <Maxell> yep!
[13:44] <jarod> $$G-03,961,13:44:26,50.908390,2.981817,4337,5,2.935,0.952,74,1*E889
[13:44] <jarod> one more :D
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Missing segment of flight path for B-45 tks to NOAA backwards predictions!
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not perfect but pretty cose http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-45_20140411/mixed_predict_actual_post_paths.jpg
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> close
[13:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> congrats jarod
[13:44] <bertrik> Can I help somehow (like updating dl-fldigi) to improve the auto-config, e.g. to allow contestia
[13:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> hihihihihihi fun
[13:45] <Maxell> However 434 mhz tuned dipole might also give some intresting results
[13:45] <Maxell> jarod: thanks for contributing to the network :)
[13:45] <jarod> Maxell yap already got 7 antennes on the roof :P
[13:45] <jarod> how do i get a green line on the website to my receiver?
[13:46] <Herman-PB0AHX> mmmm G03 now behind tudelft
[13:46] <jarod> got it
[13:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_146320&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
[13:46] <bertrik> jarod: I can see you already in the stats for g-03 on http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[13:47] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/g-03-204-04-13-hab-green-tracker.jpg =)
[13:47] <jarod> yah :D
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[13:47] <malgar> I would like to see a prediction for g-03
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> stby then
[13:50] <jarod> Maxell can you show me a screen of your spectrum?
[13:50] <Maxell> jarod: SDR#? or fldigi?
[13:50] <jarod> sdr#
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[13:51] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/g-03-204-04-13-hab-green-sdrsharp.jpg mine, lol
[13:51] <jarod> RF GAIn 49.6 dB :)
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[13:51] <Maxell> jarod: https://i.imgur.com/v9c8RGL.png
[13:51] <jarod> wow nice, a zoomed one please
[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_146589&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
[13:52] <Maxell> jarod: more zome https://i.imgur.com/VsLacSf.png
[13:53] <jarod> nice
[13:53] <Maxell> jarod: another zoom, now stronger https://i.imgur.com/Y0zbkQs.png
[13:53] <jarod> peaks to about -55?
[13:53] <jarod> wow -45 even
[13:53] <jarod> nice!
[13:54] <Maxell> Yeah, this is with 70 cm colinair and band pass 70 cm filter + LNA
[13:54] <jarod> all optimized :)
[13:54] <Maxell> With suffcient filtering RTL-SDR is a real game changer.
[13:54] <malgar> Geoff-G8DHE: just above my head!
[13:54] <malgar> in the early morning of tomorrow
[13:54] <mfa298> bertrik: the main source for dl-fldigi is https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi and when people look at it discussion tends to happen on #habhub
[13:54] <jarod> are just bad
[13:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> G-03 Actual+predict http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/G-03_20140413/Actual_predict_201404131455.jpg
[13:56] <jarod> i want to see one over amsterdam one day :P
[13:56] <bertrik> jarod: launch one! :)
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[13:57] <Maxell> jarod: well, yeap. All very HAB-optimized. https://i.imgur.com/ntdxAtT.png
[13:57] <malgar> Geoff-G8DHE: is it usually accurate?
[13:57] <jarod> Maxell dude?
[13:57] <jarod> dont have an R820T mini?
[13:57] <Upu> got a habamp on that Maxell ?
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> All current flights http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/G-03_20140413/All_flights_201404131400.jpg
[13:57] <f4gmu> Hello ! I'm trying to decod G-03. Could you comfirm that the QRG is 434.500 USB ?
[13:57] <Maxell> jarod: there is some intrest to launch some HABs at VERON/radio amateur club the hague
[13:57] <Maxell> Upu: yep
[13:58] <Upu> cool :)
[13:58] <Maxell> jarod: hey, it works. No need to swap it.
[13:58] <jarod> f4gmu 434.510 ish
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.51 for G-03
[13:58] <Maxell> jarod need to get the habamp too.
[13:58] <f4gmu> Mant thanks ;)
[13:58] <jarod> Maxell: the r820t will improve your signal SO much, lol
[13:58] <Maxell> jarod: not quite sure.
[13:58] <Upu> I make a 1090 version too jarod but you know that
[13:58] <Maxell> Does it?
[13:58] <jarod> yes
[13:58] <jarod> lol
[13:58] <Maxell> :(
[13:59] <Upu> R820T over what ?
[13:59] <Maxell> FC0013
[13:59] <Upu> tbh I've had three 820's and they've all be crap
[13:59] <jarod> no proper antenna then :)
[13:59] <bertrik> jarod: I think the habamp we have makes the choice of rtlsdr stick not so important anymore
[13:59] <Upu> keep going back to the E4000 and FC0013 based ezcaps
[13:59] <jarod> bertrik yes was about to say that
[13:59] <Maxell> Yeah, signal is so strong :P
[13:59] <jarod> i see 7db rf gain
[13:59] <jarod> so indeed doesn't matter
[14:00] <jarod> Maxell more gain is overload?
[14:00] <Maxell> yeah habamp is doing all the heavy lifting
[14:00] <Maxell> jarod: no, it's just overkill afaik.
[14:00] <Maxell> It does not help in any way I am aware of
[14:00] <jarod> well true... when its received, its received
[14:01] <Maxell> jarod: https://i.imgur.com/oLghPWk.png
[14:01] <Maxell> with 17 db gain
[14:02] <Maxell> bertrik: that reminds me, if I replace the discones r820t I'm all out of recievers. We should order a few, so we can do double discone madness
[14:03] <Darkside> jarod: the issue isnt gain so much
[14:03] <Darkside> jarod: as it is frontend overload from other stuff
[14:03] <Darkside> thats whre the habamps filter helps
[14:03] <Darkside> as the RTLSDR's frontends are shithouse
[14:03] <LeoBodnar> Geoff-G8DHE any idea where B-45 is heading next?
[14:04] <Maxell> jarod: also http://x264.nl/dump/g-03-204-04-13-hab-green-sdrsharp.jpg turn up the number of FTT points I all I see is smears all over the waterfall :P
[14:04] <LeoBodnar> is there any Darkside ?
[14:04] <jarod> lol yes
[14:04] <jarod> sdr# maker adviced me, lol
[14:04] <jarod> 16384 enough?
[14:04] <nats`> increase the fft size
[14:05] <jarod> 16384 enough?
[14:05] <nats`> I never use sdrsharp under 100k
[14:05] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: is there any what?
[14:05] <jarod> 32768 now
[14:06] <CS8ABA> B-45 Moving fast
[14:08] <CS8ABA> Switched antenna array to vertical signal is now better at 200Km plus
[14:08] <LeoBodnar> "frontend" in RTLSDR
[14:08] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: not really, no :P
[14:08] <bertrik> wow, nice job following B-45 CS8ABA
[14:09] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: hence the SAW filter on the habamp
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[14:09] <jarod> $$G-03,1043,14:09:02,50.777554,3.196557,4261,6,2.948,1.035,74,1*F8D7
[14:09] <jarod> green
[14:09] <jarod> does a higher ff res also improve on decoding?
[14:09] <jarod> or coincidence?
[14:09] <Darkside> oh jeez, LeoBodnar is invading the middle east again
[14:09] <Darkside> jarod: doesnt change anything to do with dcoding
[14:09] <Darkside> jarod: it just changes what you see on the SDR# waterfall
[14:11] <Darkside> oh hang on, B44 is the previous flight
[14:12] <fsphil> he's now invading the atlanic ocean
[14:12] <Darkside> yup
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[14:12] <Darkside> oh wow, we have someone from the Azores on here
[14:12] <fsphil> possibly the first balloon to make it to the azoresfrom europe
[14:12] <Darkside> i take it they probably have good internet on the Azores, given fibre likely hops thoug there
[14:13] <fsphil> lol yea
[14:13] <fsphil> they're in a good spot
[14:13] <CS8ABA> Hey, I'm about to loose sight to B-45. Is now less than 1 degree elevation. So has anyone in Santa Maria Island stepped in?
[14:13] <Hoogvlieger> G-03 is going to the finish of the Paris-Roubaix cyclingtour.
[14:15] <CS8ABA> My internet connection is 3G mobile phone. No Fibre here just slow DSL no good and instable
[14:16] <mfa298> looks like most of the fibre misses the Azores http://www.cablemap.info/
[14:17] <jarod> Maxell the balloon is hitting the back on my antenna :D
[14:17] <jarod> $$G-03,1071,14:17:26,50.732079,3.267733,4329,6,2.961,0.948,74,1*8E32 green
[14:18] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/g-03-204-04-13-hab-green-sdrsharp.jpg better? :D
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[14:19] <CS8ABA> There is Fibre for long time, just not available to user consumers, and prices are prohibitive to most enterprises
[14:20] <CS8ABA> For DSL 3Play (IPTV, Telephone and internet) we have to share 6Mbit to all 3 services, so is a no go in my opinion
[14:21] <jarod> Maxell not bad eh? :)
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[14:24] <CS8ABA> B-45 is freezing at -4C
[14:25] <nats`> B-xx survived temperature like -50/-60
[14:25] <nats`> :D
[14:25] <nats`> they are true warrior
[14:25] <malgar> Hoogvlieger: I see the balloon over the riders :P
[14:25] <Maxell> jarod: lets see
[14:25] <Maxell> wee looks much better
[14:25] <Maxell> didn't you knew that?
[14:26] <CS8ABA> good but if too much ice forms on the surface, isn't it bad?
[14:27] <Upu> probably won't at that altitude
[14:27] <Upu> if it drops thats the issue
[14:27] <jarod> Maxell nah... never had to look this deep :)
[14:27] <Maxell> jarod: no, number of FTT points only effects the spectrum/waterfall view.
[14:27] <jarod> ya... ok
[14:27] <jarod> so uhm G03 silent? :(
[14:28] <Maxell> jarod: oh, I am hunting very narrow signals (say 200 Hz wide :P)
[14:28] <Maxell> jarod: nope, green deocdes here
[14:28] <Maxell> 0,7 degrees elevation
[14:28] <jarod> weird, all lost here
[14:28] <Maxell> could be behind buildings
[14:28] <jarod> doubtful :P
[14:28] <Maxell> well, at your altitude, less likly
[14:28] <Maxell> :P
[14:28] <Hoogvlieger> Malgar: LOL I see Nicky Terpstra winning the race!
[14:29] <jarod> exactly :)
[14:29] <jarod> DOH
[14:29] <jarod> rf gain was lower
[14:29] <Maxell> jarod: more FTT points does increase CPU load and genarates more bandwith if you are remote.
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[14:29] <jarod> did a quick test on 108.4
[14:30] <jarod> you have set usb to 200 or 2000hz bandwidth in sdr#?
[14:30] <CS8ABA> Well lunch time here, I'll leave it on auto pilot mode. It's 0.6 Degrees , let's see how far i can receive.
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[14:32] <malgar> Hoogvlieger: me too ;)
[14:33] <jarod> Maxell?
[14:33] <Upu> thanks CS8ABA
[14:34] <Maxell> jarod: 3000.
[14:34] <Maxell> It the max that fldigi handes, IIRC
[14:34] <jarod> ah
[14:35] <jarod> yup i see
[14:35] <Maxell> Anything larger will be disregarded, anything less will decrease useable bandwitdh
[14:35] <Maxell> Oh, 4000 hz is max for fldigi but 3000 default
[14:36] <jarod> ah
[14:36] <jarod> setting somewhere? :)
[14:37] <Maxell> Watefall --> upper limit
[14:38] <Maxell> For normal SSB voice you would use 2400 Hz. But when I'm doing digital modes I disregard that :P
[14:39] <jarod> bandwidth only matters for none fixed transmitters
[14:39] <jarod> so fldigi can follow it
[14:40] <Maxell> Well less bandwith in screen means less CPU usage
[14:40] <jarod> its spot on now
[14:40] <Maxell> and snappier response when I'm remote
[14:40] <jarod> ya ok
[14:40] <jarod> but no issue here :0
[14:40] <Maxell> since large waterwalls are quite bandwith hogging
[14:41] <Maxell> also you can se the smaller fldigi waterfall to say -20 and 50
[14:41] <Maxell> it will look a lot nicer
[14:41] <jarod> oof almost green :P
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[14:45] <jarod> damnit, gimme one more green :P
[14:45] <malgar> is G-03 rtty?
[14:46] <DL7AD> CS8ABA: do you know receivers in madeira?
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[14:46] <jarod> malgar yap
[14:47] <malgar> I have a rtl_sdr dongle + its small antenna. What do you think would be the maximum range for G03 when it will be near here?
[14:48] <mfa298> malgar: if you're just using the antenna that comes with the rtl-sdr the range is pretty poor even with the antenna in a good location.
[14:49] <malgar> mfa298: yes I know.. but how much in your opinion? 1 km? 10 km? 100 km?
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[14:50] <mfa298> I managed around 30km using that setup with the antenna out a high window on a decent ground plane once
[14:51] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/434.510mhz-spectrum-sdrsharp.jpg :P
[14:51] <malgar> mfa298: we plan to go on the top of a mountain with negative elevation of the horizon
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> Cheat - stick it on a balloon
[14:52] <malgar> :D
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[14:52] <SpeedEvil> I need to work out and see if I can get my laser mesh network idea concrete
[14:53] <CS8ABA> malgar: it depends on your noise floor
[14:53] <malgar> CS8ABA: interesting
[14:54] <LeoBodnar> jarod this is on behalf of Ed since he is busy today http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz1pukKd3M1r5zttro1_400.gif
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[14:54] <CS8ABA> 0.3 Deg. and still good decode
[14:55] <malgar> lol
[14:55] <WillTablet> I just went up Beacon Hill, only to find someone else was also using their radio there
[14:55] <WillTablet> M1ELK, said he is in the channel often
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[15:00] <jarod> :D
[15:01] <malgar> is the registration required to get those HYSPLIT simulations?
[15:03] <Upu> no
[15:03] <Upu> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajtype.pl
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[15:08] <malgar> Upu: tnx. Which model do you suggest? NAM, GFS?
[15:08] <Upu> GFS192
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> LeoBodnar, What is it with your flights http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_147771&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
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[15:14] <Laurenceb> maybe another 5 days if you are lucky
[15:14] <Laurenceb> - of reception
[15:16] <malgar> Upu: isobaric I guess..
[15:16] <Upu> yes
[15:19] <CS8ABA> Now at 0 Deg elevation, so soon I'll loose signal
[15:20] <Maxell> CS8ABA: noes!
[15:20] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: activate the 434 mhz tropo ducts
[15:20] <CS8ABA> Maybe Scatter will prolong a bit but at this power level it's not easy
[15:21] <Maxell> hehehe
[15:21] <CS8ABA> It's to high in altitude for tropo
[15:21] <Maxell> so near sea must be beatiful --- best ground plane you can have, salt water
[15:22] <Maxell> CS8ABA: it is? What kind of magic do we need then? scatter?
[15:23] <Maxell> jarod: you might also want to turn of "filter audio"
[15:23] <CS8ABA> Well I'm about 2Km inland and best QTF is abt 190 to 260 Deg. Unfortunately 90º is blocked by elevation so i can't play more to Europe.
[15:23] <Maxell> It does magics that can hurt the 300 baud signal.
[15:24] <Maxell> CS8ABA: ah! What is the reason you can't point it at 90°?
[15:24] <Maxell> jarod: non the less, nice spectrum view.
[15:25] <CS8ABA> The more I can do is, using the 4x32 elem array gain plus abt 40dB pre-amplifier and scatter helps cos it's already below horizon but still audible
[15:26] <CS8ABA> Maxell: I can poit but Horizon is abt 16 degrees
[15:26] <Laurenceb> thats some impressive hardware
[15:27] <Maxell> also nice view! http://files.qrz.com/a/cs8aba/DSC_3314.JPG
[15:27] <CS8ABA> I'm impressed by FL-Digi. never used it before
[15:32] <CS8ABA> Signal is good again
[15:35] <Upu> is the error correction helping at all CS8ABA ?
[15:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> aprs seems to work ok
[15:40] <gb73d> Hi WillDude
[15:40] <gb73d> M1ELK from beacon hill today
[15:41] <CS8ABA> http://s28.postimg.org/d8jdjri4t/B_45_341_Km_0_1_Deg.jpg
[15:41] <gb73d> good to eyeball ya on the hilltop
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[15:45] <Upu> impressive lack of QRM CS8ABA
[15:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> CS8ABA: CU3EM has nice antennas? since aprs still working..
[15:46] <CS8ABA> Don't know CU3 is 140Km southeast from me so good location to follow were i loose signal
[15:47] <CS8ABA> another good decode at 360Km -0.3 Deg.
[15:49] <CS8ABA> didn't know B-45 had aprs... mine is off but could push the button easy
[15:51] <Maxell> CS8ABA: hehe yeah it's M0XER-5 :)
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[15:52] <Reb-SM3ULC> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FM0XER-5&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[15:52] Nick change: kuldeep_ -> kuldeepdhaka
[15:53] <Maxell> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=terrain&z=7&call=a%2FM0XER-5&timerange=604800&tail=604800 !
[15:53] <Upu> CS8ABA its basically this : http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/Images/2.jpg
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[15:54] <CS8ABA> nice, very nice
[15:54] <Upu> its LeoBodnar's
[15:54] <Maxell> Ok, G-03 is back in the greenfields again >:)
[15:54] <chrisg7ogx> anyone on the south coast receiving g-03? Not a dicky bird here
[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its just over the horizon for me now
[15:55] <Maxell> bertrik: 0,2 degrees at 300 baud. This must be a RevSpace's first.
[15:55] <CS8ABA> It's using regular aprs freq on VHF? 144.800?
[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> But decoding was very poor at 300B, it needs FEC at that speed
[15:55] <Upu> it switches
[15:55] <Upu> depending on the area so it knows to use 144.800 over Azores
[15:56] <Upu> APRS is only 10mW I think
[15:56] <chrisg7ogx> ok tks back to cooking the tea
[15:56] <CS8ABA> yes but 10mw at VHF is not bad,
[15:57] <Upu> it works
[15:57] <Maxell> Upu: no 100 right?
[15:57] <Upu> 10mW SI4060
[15:57] <Maxell> Is that suffcient for 1k2 AFSK?!
[15:57] <Maxell> damn
[15:57] <Upu> unless LeoBodnar has swapped out the 4060 for a more powerful unit
[15:57] <LeoBodnar> what where?
[15:57] <LeoBodnar> no still 4060
[15:57] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: the APRS. How much TX?
[15:57] <Maxell> 10mW!?
[15:58] <LeoBodnar> ~15mW
[15:58] <Maxell> :D
[15:58] <Maxell> qrpp APRS :P
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did you increase the delay between RSID and data LeoBodnar? It looked like it ?
[15:58] <LeoBodnar> Azores are magic place
[15:58] <LeoBodnar> both UHF and VHF seem to be below horizon
[15:58] <LeoBodnar> yes I did Geoff-G8DHE
[15:59] <CS8ABA> Except when 200Km/h wind destroys my 144 Array
[15:59] <LeoBodnar> and added a few spaces before $$..
[15:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks no problems on this flight with changes of freq.
[16:00] <LeoBodnar> i'll leave it as it is then
[16:00] <CS8ABA> So this Tropo season, no 144 DX for me
[16:00] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: why not more $$$$?
[16:01] <LeoBodnar> ah extra $$ are useless
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[16:01] <LeoBodnar> as only last two count
[16:01] <Maxell> and extra spaces? Please enlighten me.
[16:01] <LeoBodnar> * extra $$ are as useless as extra spaces
[16:02] <Upu> extra $$'s goes back to RFM22B and it drifted when it started TXing
[16:05] <mattbrejza> better to send a couple of NULL when doing rtty
[16:06] <mattbrejza> and have only a short idle period so the afc doesnt get lost
[16:07] <Maxell> Upu: ah right, other wise you could have just delimited from the calsign
[16:07] <Upu> it just gave dl-fldigi something to lock on too
[16:07] <Upu> not needed with the TCXO's
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[16:16] <mikestir> is HF completely dead today or is my antenna bust?
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[16:17] <CS8ABA> It's bad sun activity since fryday
[16:17] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok i go dinner bey bey to all and mni tnx for ballon
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[16:19] <CS8ABA> Friday night and last night the only DX for me was VK and ZL 80 meters end frequencies above 5MHz nothing on. MUF was about 6MHz last night
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[16:23] <CS8ABA> MOSTLY QUIET WITH A CHANCE OF FLARES: With no sunspots actively flaring, solar activity is low. However, the quiet might be short-lived. Active regions AR20032 and AR2035 have 'beta-gamma' magnetic fields that harbor energy for M-class solar flares. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35% chance of such an eruption during the next 24 hoours.
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> Arrr
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[16:26] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[16:29] <DL7AD_mobile2> Hi jcoxon
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[16:30] <jcoxon> from the looks of it B-45 should get picked up by the Canary Islands
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[16:30] <jcoxon> so we'll be able to track even futher
[16:31] <Upu> possibly
[16:31] <malgar> I'm trying to enter my listener location on dl-fldigi but I get pink fields and I can't write inside them
[16:31] <CS8ABA> mikestir: I just went to HF and the bands are nice here. 15 Meters not noisy and good signals on the scope.
[16:31] <Upu> when CS8ABA looses it I'll switch the APRS back on
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[16:33] <CS8ABA> can you command the payload? hw?
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[16:34] <Upu> nope
[16:34] <CS8ABA> ok that would be nice. but also risky !
[16:35] <Upu> its possible
[16:35] <Upu> but not implemented I suspect
[16:35] <CS8ABA> yes, you could use aprs to relay commands for example
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[16:36] <CS8ABA> but that said it would mean to have a receiver sanding by at all times on 2 meters
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[16:39] <CS8ABA> I might have lost the signal... A Rain wall very heavy rain to that QTF.
[16:39] <Upu> well that was fun :)
[16:39] <Upu> and impressive
[16:40] <Upu> APRS hasn't updated for 35 mins
[16:40] <Upu> so suspect out of range of that too
[16:40] <CS8ABA> It can scatter the rain if it's not too heavy
[16:41] <CS8ABA> last upload was 9 min ago
[16:41] <Upu> yep 36 mins for APRS
[16:41] <Upu> now we wait
[16:42] <Upu> thanks for tracking it
[16:42] <jcoxon> great work CS8ABA
[16:42] <CS8ABA> Ill try to manually steer the antenna to se if i can find a scatter
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[16:43] <CS8ABA> My pleasure
[16:43] Nick change: mclane -> Guest62811
[16:46] <CS8ABA> Just went outside and can't see the ocean. The rain is really heavy that's why signal faded.
[16:47] <LeoBodnar> thanks so much CS8ABA for giving us the use of your weekend :D
[16:47] <jcoxon> rain ain't good for pico balloons, hopefully its above the rain clouds
[16:47] <LeoBodnar> it has struggled this morning jcoxon
[16:48] <LeoBodnar> with icing
[16:48] <LeoBodnar> but somehow survived
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[16:50] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, well its a great flight
[16:50] <jcoxon> so different to the normal flighst
[16:51] <LeoBodnar> quite a surprise it turned out there
[16:51] <LeoBodnar> even though i hoped it did
[16:51] <CS8ABA> You're welcome Leo, I'm always looking for the next one. I just wasn't ready at first. Had the gear off since last August. And lack of Knowledge on Fldigi. But with you help everything went well. Thanks
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[16:57] <WillTablet> Hi gb73d
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[17:13] <gb73d> Hi Willdude
[17:13] <mikestir> Upu: LeoBodnar: aadamson: TPS61200 vs 61020. any experience?
[17:13] <gb73d> yeah u seen my earlier msg
[17:14] <gb73d> i forgot to tell u g3VEH in s s wonston used a mirror to signaL to me from 11 miles away , saw it easy
[17:14] <gb73d> also worked a maritime mobile on south coast
[17:14] <gb73d> what a day!
[17:20] <Upu> I've never used the 61020 mikestir, the 61200 I've used a lot and its great
[17:20] <Willdude123> gb73d, wow.
[17:21] <Willdude123> I had 0 contacts, didn't try for long though
[17:21] <Willdude123> I think I heard you contact the /mm before I left (through the webSDR)
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[17:22] <Willdude123> Parents just wanted to climb Beacon Hill so I asked if I could take my radio
[17:22] <CS8ABA> That's it, unless it goes North or climbs in altitude, I can't copy any more. See you all later on. Have to leave home for some work outside. 73 all.
[17:23] <Upu> cheers Paulo and thanks again
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[17:26] <CS8ABA> CUL
[17:27] <CS8ABA> Don't hesitate to mail me next time cheers
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[17:32] <aadamson> mikestir, sorry... just catching up.
[17:33] <aadamson> let's see what I used, I built 2 just for kicks
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[17:35] <aadamson> I *did* build a 61200 version, it actually has better current capability, and from my testing with a fixed 100ma load, it had better low voltage charaterists as well. Not necessarily longer duration on a single AA cell battery, but it went to a lower voltage before it switched off, and it didn't *reset* a number of times.
[17:35] <aadamson> Compared to... let me check my other design
[17:35] <aadamson> ltc3536L
[17:35] <gb73d> good place to take the radio !
[17:36] <aadamson> both did fine and all my recent testing was on the (LTC3526 - not 36... )
[17:36] <Willdude123> gb73d, forgot to ask - what was your aerial?
[17:36] <gb73d> i go out most sundays radio operating from local hills
[17:36] <mikestir> ok. I think I looked at that ltc one but it's pricey. The 61020 looks much more efficient than the 61200 on paper, but it's lower frequency so needs a higher value inductor
[17:37] <aadamson> I got some samples from coilcraft and used pretty much reference design information
[17:37] <gb73d> call out cq on 145.500 or 433.5 from a hiltop will usually find some stations
[17:37] <aadamson> I *did* use the 61200 so that I could program the output, they have a version fixed for 3v3 or 1v8, etc
[17:37] <mikestir> yeah same for the other one
[17:37] <mikestir> biab just got to put the kids to bed
[17:37] <aadamson> i used a 2.2uH on the 61200
[17:37] <aadamson> and a 4.7 on the 3526
[17:38] <aadamson> both coilcrafp msp3015 I think
[17:38] <aadamson> whatever 3015's
[17:38] <mikestir> the main drawback of the 61020 is that it's designed for a tant on the output, and it needs the esr
[17:38] <aadamson> shilded - wicked small :)
[17:38] <aadamson> use 2 ceramics
[17:38] <aadamson> ceramics have usually lower esr's and if you put them in parallel, they are even lower
[17:38] <mikestir> yeah that's the problem
[17:38] <mikestir> it _needs_ the esr
[17:39] <mikestir> you can add a series resistor
[17:39] <mikestir> but that's an extra component to fit in
[17:40] <aadamson> ah, understood.
[17:40] <aadamson> what vout are you after?
[17:40] <mikestir> well 3.0 initially until I decide how low I can go with the class E match
[17:40] <aadamson> my class e is running at 2v just fine :)
[17:40] <mikestir> the circuit will run down to 1.8
[17:41] <aadamson> but on 1`44mhz
[17:42] <aadamson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/STM-SIradio.pdf
[17:42] <aadamson> That's my old one on the original prototype board that I ran on an STM32F303
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[17:42] <aadamson> 195-200mhz cutoff
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[17:43] <gb73d> the telescopic ant is a MFJ long ranger 2m telescopic
[17:43] <gb73d> the whip is a 2/70 supergainer
[17:43] <aadamson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/TPS61200.jpg - that's what the end of the tps61200 looks like on a 1AA alkaline with 100ma load
[17:43] <gb73d> i suggest a 1/4 w vertical for UHF for balloons
[17:44] <mattbrejza> thats lots of matching and filtering...
[17:44] <mattbrejza> this is the matching and filtering for a cc radio: http://uk.farnell.com/johanson-technology/0433bm15a0001e/balun-433mhz-impedance-matched/dp/2148531?Ntt=0433bm
[17:44] <mattbrejza> :P (oc 434)
[17:44] <aadamson> mattbrejza, the 4463 with a class e amp is much different than the 4060's
[17:44] <aadamson> and there are resonators on that LPF to make it *sharper*
[17:44] <mattbrejza> i thought all of these types of Ics were class E
[17:45] <aadamson> it's also a 5 pole if I remember vs. the 3 pole that the reference designs use
[17:45] <aadamson> They can support either a class e or the switched one
[17:45] <aadamson> it depends on frequency as to which is more efficient/better
[17:45] <mattbrejza> switched one?
[17:45] <aadamson> mikestir, you can see that the 61200 went to about 5.5v and then fell flat
[17:46] <LeoBodnar> any reasin why you *need* +20dBm?
[17:46] <aadamson> http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/AN627.pdf
[17:46] <aadamson> no LeoBodnar, it was just where I started
[17:47] <aadamson> mattbrejza, I said switched meant SQW - sorry
[17:47] <aadamson> didn't have that refernce in front of me
[17:48] <aadamson> mattbrejza, here's the other one - http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/AN648.pdf
[17:48] <LeoBodnar> I am yet to see situation where 100mW is a requirement and it needs tonnes more attention
[17:48] <aadamson> yes I completely agree.
[17:48] <mattbrejza> im happy with my TI parts for now :P
[17:48] <aadamson> for example, I'd never get away with what you do running 2mtr through a 433 antenna on 20db
[17:49] <LeoBodnar> the other way round
[17:50] <aadamson> yes... correct. 433 thought a 2mtr antenna
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[17:50] <aadamson> mikestir, either will have higher than expected current demands from the battery if the target is pulling at the upper range of the current source... I found this out the hard way.
[17:51] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, btw, I think I'm going to keep the cdcel as believe I and run a clipped wave tcxo at 1.8 on it, and have better current demand from that section than even a dedicated vcxo.
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[17:51] <F1IEH> hello
[17:51] <aadamson> I was surprised at how much current vcxo's require... upwards of 20+ma
[17:52] <aadamson> vs. 7ma on the cdcel (if I leave off the PLL) with a tcxo (that's counting the costs of the tcxo as well)
[17:52] <aadamson> and it lookes like it can make the output swing be enough for the si downstream
[17:52] <F1IEH> wat'is the frequencie of the G-03 baloon ?
[17:52] <aadamson> some testing to do, but thats the plane
[17:52] <LeoBodnar> nice
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[17:55] <aadamson> if that turns out to be correct (and it's pretty easy to test), I may be down to around 20+ma total current when the gps is in save mode and using a 4060... or 4460 (transmitting)... we'll see.. Still lots to discover... Luckily I have a friend who works for a commercial company
[17:55] <aadamson> that uses the L1 in an extremely low power lock so he's looking over my shoulder
[17:56] <aadamson> and that 20ma is without doing anything to the processor just running it at 32mhz on 2.0v
[17:56] <jcoxon> F1IEH, 434.510 (USB)
[17:56] <jcoxon> according to the email on the mailing list
[17:56] <aadamson> but ... we'll see ;)
[17:56] <aadamson> so for my next wild hair...
[17:57] <aadamson> I wonder if it's possible to create a simple gimbal (camera) and then put a 3 axis controller on it (I just happen to have one :)) and stabilize and direct a camera
[17:57] <aadamson> thinking hanging it below a payload with the controller in the box above
[17:59] <aadamson> too bad the imu needs to be on the camera, if you used a motor with (oh shoot what do you call that where the wires don't go through)... you'd have full 360 on the yaw camera
[17:59] <aadamson> and you could stabilize it's point to one direction if you wanted
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[18:01] <aadamson> mikestir, btw, here's my notes from my simple fixed load testing on smps's - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/Boost%20Controller%20output.txt
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[18:03] <DL7AD> evening
[18:04] <Laurenceb> using a STM32F3 at 3.3v for a data logger
[18:04] <Laurenceb> output on the boost controller was set to 2.0v
[18:04] <Laurenceb> huh
[18:04] <aadamson> hey I use them all the time... was my little pro mini board :)
[18:04] <Laurenceb> oh thats just logging?
[18:04] <Laurenceb> i see
[18:05] <aadamson> just cuz I could convert the adc values to a logging stream that logview could use ;)
[18:05] <Laurenceb> TPS61200 looks nicer then?
[18:06] <aadamson> Laurenceb, - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/TPS61200.jpg yeah output from logview
[18:07] <aadamson> it probably had a little better current capability as well, and it's a pretty simple reference design, if you used fixed voltage it's even easier
[18:07] <aadamson> but I wanted 2.0v no 1.8 or 3.3
[18:07] <aadamson> small problem with the L1, it has an internal ldo for it's 1.8 core and you need to feed it 2.0v
[18:07] <aadamson> if you feed it 1.8, you can only run the core at 1.5v
[18:07] <Laurenceb> ah
[18:07] <aadamson> and that lowers the clock by 1/2
[18:07] <Laurenceb> yeah
[18:08] <Laurenceb> why do you need such a fast clock?
[18:08] <aadamson> I don't, but hey this is my first l1 design :)
[18:08] <aadamson> actually there is one advantage
[18:08] <aadamson> I'm running pwm for AFSK
[18:08] <aadamson> and I can clock the pwm at 125khz
[18:09] <aadamson> that helps with the simple LPF on the PWM to clean up the PWM
[18:09] <aadamson> at 62.5khz, there is much more of the pwm frequency that makes it throught and I didn't want to deal with a active filter
[18:10] <aadamson> I'm running the pwm at *full clock*.
[18:10] <Laurenceb> isnt there a DAC?
[18:10] <aadamson> so it's 32mhz / 256 for the pwm clock as I'm using 256 points on the pwm sine
[18:11] <aadamson> yes
[18:11] <aadamson> and originally I didn't bring that out on my early test
[18:11] <aadamson> , but I did on this board to a jumper pad so that I can play with the DAC
[18:11] <Laurenceb> ok
[18:11] <aadamson> in theory, I can us DMA to send samples to the DAC and it all run in the background
[18:11] <Laurenceb> yeah
[18:12] <LeoBodnar> can you not power the core directly? what mad chips is that?
[18:12] <Laurenceb> on F4 you can
[18:12] <aadamson> no not on the L1
[18:12] <Laurenceb> L1 its hidden behind a built in LDO
[18:12] <LeoBodnar> usually you just bypass LDOs and have direct feed
[18:12] <aadamson> it has 4 internal voltage ranges that are selectable in software and have their own LDO built in
[18:12] <LeoBodnar> madness
[18:13] <aadamson> it has to do with all the peripherals as they each can run on different clocks and or voltage ranges
[18:13] <aadamson> ADC's for example are selectable
[18:13] <aadamson> as to what voltage range they can use as vref
[18:14] <aadamson> I suppose in the grand scheme of things that provides some benefit in some (most) applications
[18:14] <aadamson> but actually got in my way for what I"m doing
[18:14] <Laurenceb> why cant you run at 1.8v?
[18:14] <aadamson> but I just couldn't bring myself to do an AVR desing
[18:15] <Laurenceb> haha
[18:15] <aadamson> if I power at 1.8, then I have to select range 2 (1.5 ldo) and that cuts the clock from 32mhz to 16mhz
[18:15] <aadamson> and my pwm rate to 62.5khz
[18:15] <aadamson> I don't need the speed for everything else, heck it's barely idling along doing it' stuff
[18:16] <Laurenceb> isnt there something you could do with clock trees?
[18:16] <Laurenceb> ill look at the clock tree...
[18:16] <aadamson> I don't think so
[18:16] <Laurenceb> which L1 is it?
[18:16] <aadamson> I 151
[18:16] <aadamson> 151/152, they are the same, just 52 has lcd function built in
[18:17] <Laurenceb> k
[18:17] <aadamson> the clock configuration tool, wouldn't let me change any clock unless I was at 2.0v or higher :)
[18:17] <aadamson> I didn't spend a great deal of time trying to get around the problem. I wanted to get a design up.
[18:18] <aadamson> There were *lots* of firsts for me on this design
[18:18] <aadamson> and in some ways just to see it work at all was a very good thing
[18:18] <Laurenceb> which timer?
[18:18] <aadamson> I only missed 2 traces. - duh
[18:18] <aadamson> time 2
[18:18] <aadamson> timer2
[18:18] <aadamson> wait is that... hang on
[18:19] <aadamson> tim3
[18:19] <Laurenceb> so you want to clock timer at 32mhz?
[18:19] <aadamson> no I want pwm at 125khz
[18:20] <aadamson> and on a 32mhz clock, 256 step pwm is 125khz
[18:20] <Laurenceb> ah
[18:20] <Laurenceb> yeah there is no way around it
[18:20] <Laurenceb> as you only have dividers between system clock and timer clock
[18:21] <aadamson> yep
[18:21] <aadamson> didn't think so
[18:21] <aadamson> I could drop to 1.8v and use the 1.5 ldo and run at 62.5kzh on that timer
[18:21] <aadamson> at 16mhz
[18:21] <aadamson> clock
[18:21] <Laurenceb> you should use DAC :P
[18:21] <aadamson> but for now I'll just say here...
[18:21] <aadamson> yes, that is for sure on my list
[18:22] <aadamson> I saved one channel just for that
[18:22] <Laurenceb> or use external clock input
[18:22] <Laurenceb> not sure if the timers can do that on L1
[18:23] <aadamson> btw, did you figure out your clock issue, or just tweak the caps in software?
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[18:23] <Laurenceb> i tweaked using the correction registers
[18:23] <Laurenceb> it was the caps causing issues
[18:24] <Laurenceb> ive replaced them on never boards, and corrected on older board using a firmware fix
[18:24] <aadamson> ah cool
[18:25] <aadamson> wow, I look at that new spv1050.... that's a pretty complex little piece of silicon - little being the operative word
[18:25] <aadamson> switch topics... to PV controllers
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[18:27] <aadamson> http://www.rctimer.com/product_972.html - slip ring that was the word I was issing earlier...
[18:27] <Laurenceb> i dont get the point of the store
[18:29] <Laurenceb> you are thinking of making a big balloon with camera?
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[18:30] <aadamson> just thinking... I have the controller already
[18:31] <aadamson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/DSCN2370.JPG - another of my whacky projects
[18:31] <aadamson> 405 or 103
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[18:47] <DL7AD> could someone tell me on which frequency G-03 is transmitting exactly?
[18:48] <aadamson> 434.510
[18:48] <aadamson> i think i sawthat up thechannel
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[18:49] Action: Laurenceb was looking at LED lighting lm/W
[18:49] <Laurenceb> i dont get it
[18:49] <Laurenceb> compact flourescent and high pressure sodium is as good
[18:49] <Laurenceb> and better than the LED lighting that is available off the shelf for sane money
[18:50] <Laurenceb> why would anyone install LED lighting
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[18:53] <mikestir> Laurenceb: it's better lm/W than CFL and doesn't suffer from the annoying warmup issue
[18:54] <Laurenceb> CFL is pretty much instant on
[18:54] <mattbrejza> and pretty colours!
[18:54] <mikestir> CFL is nowhere near instant on
[18:54] <mikestir> certainly not at low temperatures
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[18:59] <LeoBodnar> can't be easily brightness-controlled
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> apart from PWM
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> has nasty spectrum
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> otherwise it's great
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[19:25] <mclane_> question to the habitat developers: how can I upload listener telemetry to habitat? (I am not the internet superguru; json does not tell me anything)
[19:27] <mfa298> mclane_: it may help if you explained a bit more about what you want to do but fairly simply I think you need to send json strings to the habhub servers.
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> json is dead easy
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> It's just brackets and quotes, pretty much
[19:28] <mfa298> and there are libaries for most languages to encode/decode it
[19:28] <mclane_> I want to upload telemetry data just like dl-fldigi does
[19:29] <mfa298> understanding what json is is probably the first step then - it's not that hard
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[19:34] <mclane_> ok, json looks pretty much like xml
[19:35] <mfa298> after that you may need to look at how to base64 encode a string and send that over https (I think that's how data is uploaded to habhub)
[19:36] <uu4jlm_Valeryi> Hello everyone, tell why W7 not connectings to access the server DL-Fldigi???
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[19:37] <mclane_> but how concretely do I have to set up the json string for a balloon telemetry packet - assuming that I have a valid payload configuration stored in habitat?
[19:37] <mfa298> mclane_: look for a library to manage the json it makes life much easier, I've used them in Python, Perl and C fairly easily
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[19:39] <mfa298> you'll need to read the habhub documents (there's a link from habhub/habitat somewhere) for the format used to upload
[19:39] <mfa298> uu4jlm_Valeryi: what part isn't connecting - it should all work on W7
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[19:56] <mattbrejza> average dx.com free shipping time? usual chinese 7-30 days?
[19:57] <ibanezmatt13> I've got several things from dx.com, all came in 10-12 days
[19:58] <mattbrejza> ah ok
[19:59] <nats`> got stuff in 10 days and worst case was about 3 weeks
[20:00] <bertrik> I stopped using dx.com after realizing there is a much larger market for chinese electronics stuff through ebay
[20:00] <mattbrejza> thats a point, need to check ebay
[20:01] <mattbrejza> meh ebay is the same price from the same locaiton
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> bertrik: It varies.
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[20:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All
[20:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> SEBA-7 has returned to home :-) http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/seba7-found.jpg
[20:06] <LeoBodnar> BHAC
[20:06] <LeoBodnar> nice
[20:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> i was in Czech Republic today :-)
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[20:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> Mirek OK2BUH gave my 0.5 litre of Czech hooch :-)
[20:10] <bertrik> ... and you're drinking it right now? :D
[20:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> bertrik: no, i have to go to work tommorow :-)
[20:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> as he said "it is very strong" :-)
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[20:15] <SpeedEvil> http://www.asterank.com/3d/ - very high altitude
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[20:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: You asked yesterday of photos :-) http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/seba7-inside.jpg
[20:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: this is post-flight photo
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[20:17] <aadamson> anyone got an eagle footprint that they know is good of the MAX 7?
[20:18] <aadamson> I did one from the datasheet, but in talking with Upu he feels it's not correct so I'd like to compare what others may have used
[20:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> aadamson: im using one from UPU's library
[20:19] <aadamson> that in his githum?
[20:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> aadamson: MAX-6
[20:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> yup
[20:19] <aadamson> thanks tom, I'll go check that
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[20:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> aadamson: anyway, that is not hard to make one
[20:21] <aadamson> yeah, I know, but for some reason mine in diptrace didn't match his from eagle
[20:21] <aadamson> so I'm gonna check... one or the other isn't right :) and yes I know the outside pads are narrower than the others
[20:22] <nats`> aadamson maybe just tolerance
[20:22] <nats`> if the distance from center of the pa is the same
[20:22] <aadamson> maybe... dunno
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[20:24] <LeoBodnar> nice SP9UOB-Tom
[20:26] <sp2ipt> SP9UOB-Tom: so the trik to OK was successful :)
[20:26] <sp2ipt> trip
[20:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> yes
[20:28] <sp2ipt> SP9UOB-Tom: any news from OSJ?
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> As Ansel Adams said part datasheet is the score and the actual footprint is performance
[20:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> sp2ipt: 5 hours of driving: http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&ts=1397347200&te=1397433600&call=a%2FSP9UOB-9
[20:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> sp2ipt: dunno - i suppose that it is on the ground
[20:31] <aadamson> ok, mystery solved... Anothony's is wrong :)
[20:31] <aadamson> but not in a critical dimension
[20:32] <sp2ipt> SP9UOB-Tom: hmm... guess 360km is still a long way here ;)
[20:33] <sp2ipt> SP9UOB-Tom: I hoped someone in ES would pick OSJ up :)
[20:34] <aadamson> err... correction, they are *exactly* the same
[20:34] <aadamson> I at first thought is center to center across the pads was not right, but his is just not centered at 0 is all
[20:35] <aadamson> the 2 dimensions are correct... So I guess mine is fine...
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[20:48] <Upu> hey aadamson the eagle foot print I use is fine
[20:48] <Upu> the antenna was out on yours
[20:49] <aadamson> oh, I knew that, you mentioned the footprint on the gps, so I wanted to check that and yes, your footprint is fine, just not centered on 0 is what got me thinking it was different
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[21:30] <aadamson> Upu, thanks for the eagle library, the antenna footprint was pretty hard to figure out what they wanted for delta between the pads... I used yours and fixed my footprint.... My gps chip footprint was already correct to the datasheet and yours.
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[21:45] <g0pai_ian> Open question: With access to an antenna analyser good for the 2m band, I wish to optimise a 1/4 wave ground plane whip for a 434MHz frequency. Has anyone any experience of effectively tuning the antenna on the third harmonic from the antenna analyser?
[21:47] <mattbrejza> that doesnt sound like its gonna work
[21:48] <g0pai_ian> Fair comment Mat, but I was thinking that there would be some useful indication of resonance at the third harmonic. Obviously not something I have considered before.
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[21:49] <mattbrejza> if this is for hab usage then measuring it works fine
[21:49] <g0pai_ian> what, the ruler! :)
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[21:50] <g0pai_ian> And yes, it is for Hab usage.
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[21:51] <mattbrejza> most people put the radials at 90o which is less than ideal
[21:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> they should be at 135 deg
[21:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> im using 1/2 lambda vertical dipole
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[21:54] <LeoBodnar> depends on what you call "ideal"
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[21:54] <LeoBodnar> e.g. whether you want to alter impedance and radiation pattern
[21:55] <g0pai_ian> I understand that the angle can be adjusted to achieve a better match, in the same way that you would effectively spread the arms of an inverted V wire antenna for the same reason.
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[22:05] <jarod> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/a5dxmvr_460sa.gif
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[23:39] <Laurenceb> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-32gRKsgvVJ8/UwqLSok0pHI/AAAAAAAAB-I/i_LsI5mBaoA/s1600/Screen+Shot+2014-02-23+at+5.58.30+PM.png
[23:39] <Laurenceb> hell yeah
[23:40] <adamgreig> loops called
[23:40] <adamgreig> it's for you
[23:41] <fsphil> I don't even see the code anymore
[23:42] <arko> wut
[23:44] <Laurenceb> inline EKF
[23:45] <adamgreig> more like inline fail though
[23:45] <adamgreig> this is what macros and compilers and so forth are for
[23:45] <adamgreig> might as well write assembler >_>
[23:45] <adamgreig> I imagine that was generated by a script anyway
[23:46] <arko> no kidding
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