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[00:46] <DL7AD> morning
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[03:24] <aadamson> upu, you are probably sleeping but I got the si446x temp sensor and vbatt adc functional and it's not how you think it work, in fact I can't explain it but it works
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[04:40] <DL7AD> new B-44 forecast: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_165966&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
[04:45] <DL7AD> predicted possible reception by next aprs igate in 1-2 hours
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[05:08] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: hope for the best
[05:08] <DL7AD_> Reb-SM3ULC: hm
[05:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> they could have made a possibility to change between absolute time and relative time on the slider.
[05:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> doh, abslute time is in the dots...
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[06:59] <Meow_> B-44 is alive, see the tracker!
[06:59] <jcoxon> hooray!
[06:59] <jcoxon> good work
[07:00] <Darkside> haha, overflying the middle east yet again
[07:00] <jcoxon> being picked up by 4X1TI
[07:00] <jcoxon> in Istael
[07:00] <jcoxon> Israel*
[07:00] <jcoxon> oops
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[07:03] <daveake> excellent
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[07:06] <arko> nice!!
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[07:21] <daveake> Both streams live now from the secret LOHAN bunker
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[07:24] <fsphil> I see trees of green, red hydrogen cylinders too
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[07:30] <x-f> good morning, Louis :)
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[07:36] <fsphil> doesn't work as well as the original
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[07:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> orning
[07:37] <fsphil> m'
[07:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Fingers still waking up!
[07:37] <fsphil> know the feeling
[07:38] <LeoBodnar> g'morning
[07:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Looks good flight again LeoBodnar
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[07:39] <LeoBodnar> yeah not bad Geoff
[07:40] <daveake> tracker 1 of 6 on the map
[07:41] <LeoBodnar> is M0RPI streaming? i get black
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[07:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It is here
[07:41] <LeoBodnar> ta
[07:42] <LeoBodnar> ah it's M0RPI chase car
[07:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah on/off the babarbers pole keeps going away
[07:45] <LeoBodnar> looks like Upu is oop norf today
[07:46] <cm13g09_> LeoBodnar: how long until you do a circumnavigation?
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[07:47] <LeoBodnar> it will be awhile :D
[07:48] <cm13g09> hah
[07:48] <cm13g09> fair enough
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[08:14] <fsphil> images coming in from RICH(ard) http://ssdv.habhub.org/RICH
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[08:29] <mdbooth> Can anybody tell me why punch and judy are currently in the Med?
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[08:30] <daveake> They're not
[08:30] Action: mdbooth assumed as much :)
[08:31] <daveake> You're probably looking at B-44 - different flight altogether
[08:31] <mdbooth> spacenear.us thinks they are, though
[08:31] <daveake> not here it doesn't
[08:31] <mdbooth> Ah, yes
[08:32] <daveake> Just waiting for a random northerner to arrive, then we'll start filling
[08:32] <nats`> hi boyz :)
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[08:41] <WillDWork_> good luck dave
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[08:48] <Upu_M0PU> filling first one shortly
[08:49] <LeoBodnar> morn Upu_M0PU
[08:49] <ibanezmatt13> excellent, morning
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[08:51] <ibanezmatt13> Yes! THOR16 on the job :)
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[08:56] <amell> perfect windless day for LOHAN
[08:56] <fsphil> thundering through the noise
[08:56] <amell> that balloon is so calm compared to when UKC tried to launch :)
[08:56] <LeoBodnar> is SPB stream a long time behind?
[08:56] <LeoBodnar> there is no balloon on it
[08:57] <LeoBodnar> M0RPI is already inflated for quite awhile
[08:57] <amell> i was under the impression they were launching two balloons
[08:57] <amell> two different launch pads.
[08:57] <LeoBodnar> do they have two Daves too?
[08:57] <LeoBodnar> lol
[08:58] <amell> is it really the same launchpad?
[08:59] <amell> the stuff is in different places.
[08:59] <daveake> 2 balloons 1 site 1 Dave
[08:59] <daveake> 3 trackers on each
[08:59] <amell> confusing :) one stream must be lagged then
[08:59] <daveake> yes it is
[08:59] <daveake> very
[09:00] <amell> good luck :)
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[09:01] <daveake> Restarting the SPB stream - we think it's running too high a bitrate
[09:01] <daveake> which would explain the slowness of my internetz
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[09:04] <LeoBodnar> ]
[09:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> url to stream?
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[09:04] <LeoBodnar> http://batc.tv/multi_screen.php?ch=5
[09:05] <LeoBodnar> M0RPI chase car and Special projects
[09:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> thanks
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[09:07] <LeoBodnar> balloon looks Mexican full
[09:07] <LeoBodnar> should go high
[09:10] <Reb-SM3ULC> mexican full... :D never heard but obvious..
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[09:12] <mdbooth> Don't let go! There will be tears, and you're not getting another one.
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[09:18] <mdbooth> Was that punch or judy?
[09:19] <daveake> Judy
[09:19] <daveake> As it says on the map
[09:19] <daveake> Yeah 4kg neck lift ... about 50% of a Mexican
[09:20] <daveake> Not the whole enchilada
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[09:23] <gonzo_> have you set the alt adjustment factor?
[09:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> two balloons, three payloads?
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[09:25] <cm13g09> Reb-SM3ULC: technically 6
[09:25] <cm13g09> payloads...
[09:25] <cm13g09> if I remember rightly
[09:25] <daveake> 3 payloads per balloon
[09:26] <daveake> 3 trackers I mean
[09:26] <daveake> second flight being prepped now
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[09:26] <daveake> gonzo yeah, 2.5
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[09:34] <Andy_G8UVS> how do we view the pictures from Richard?
[09:35] <gonzo_> there is a window in the vie option on dlfldigi
[09:35] <gonzo_> that shows the frames you rx
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[09:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> or from central http://ssdv.habhub.org/RICH
[09:36] <gonzo_> and the global ones are at: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[09:36] <ibanezmatt13_> anybody here getting judy?
[09:36] <Upu_M0PU> ibanezmatt13 BUZZ is your back up tracker
[09:36] <ibanezmatt13_> ah ok cool :)
[09:36] <Upu_M0PU> filling no now
[09:36] <Andy_G8UVS> Many thanks Andy
[09:38] <gonzo_> uite heavy fading on SPEARS for me at the mo
[09:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> same here
[09:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> RICAHRD seems very broad spectrum as well even for 600Baud
[09:41] <ibanezmatt13_> nothing up here for me yet
[09:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> JUDY visible
[09:42] <ibanezmatt13_> got a freq?
[09:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> RICHARD decoding now
[09:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> But much wider shift I'm set for 800Hz
[09:42] <db_g6gzh> JUDY on .494
[09:42] <ibanezmatt13_> cheers
[09:42] <nigelp> Got the RTTY shift on Richard up to 864 to make it work
[09:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Agree it seems to be getting wider with lower temp
[09:45] <DutchMillbt> Good morning is BUZZ a floater?
[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> JUDY doesn't want to decode either for some reason it is DOMEX16 ?
[09:47] <db_g6gzh> THOR16
[09:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes THOR16 duh we must get them to add RSID!!!
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[09:50] <ibanezmatt13_> Geoff-G8DHE, I'm sure this is Judy http://pbrd.co/1hjWSZA
[09:50] <db_g6gzh> Yes, the RSID works really well, especially for the non-continuous TX
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[09:50] <ibanezmatt13_> I can hear THOR, but cant really see it
[09:50] <G4AIU-Eugene> good day all
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[09:51] <G4AIU-Eugene> Copying SPEARS but many red lines
[09:53] <ibanezmatt13_> got Judy :)
[09:54] <Upu_M0PU> both up
[09:54] <db_g6gzh> biscuit tin not fallen off yet then 8-)
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[09:57] <Upu_M0PU> hmm ava altitude is wierd
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[10:02] <LeoBodnar> Upu_M0PU: Has Dave's today post arrived yet?
[10:03] <Upu_M0PU> yes he's not opened it
[10:03] <ibanezmatt13_> need complete new radio setup. Almost in green circle and this is what I get http://pbrd.co/Q8DVhS
[10:03] <G4AIU-Eugene> Receiving JUDY
[10:04] <LeoBodnar> is there anything from me?
[10:04] <Upu_M0PU> CHecking
[10:04] <Upu_M0PU> confusing bug position is fine
[10:04] <Upu_M0PU> but alt is seemingly tuck
[10:04] <Upu_M0PU> odd
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[10:07] <Andrew_M6GTG> Horrendous QRM here today, might have to give it up as a lost cause, all the best everyone else
[10:08] <junderwood> Punch must have been on a very long piece of elastic. It caught up with Buzz from ground to 5km in about 10 seconds
[10:08] <daveake> Thanks LeoBodnar :)
[10:08] <daveake> This can go on the shack, er, man-shed
[10:08] <LeoBodnar> haha show it, i have not seen it
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[10:08] <daveake> Upu's tweeting it
[10:09] <Upu_M0PU> trying
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[10:14] <fsphil> ruch on 434.528?
[10:14] <fsphil> rich*
[10:14] <db_g6gzh> LeoBodnar: http://paste.debian.net/92789/ I'm also logging APRS-IS if you want it but that should be the same as aprs.fi
[10:15] <LeoBodnar> thanks! saved
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[10:16] <ibanezmatt13_> the signal strength is sort of oscillating for me in a wierd way. Like, strong signal fades to weak signal, back to strong, repeatedly. Anyone know why that is?
[10:17] <gonzo_> a null in the antenna pattern as it rotates, or it's swinging
[10:17] <mfa298> could be to do with where the antenna is on the payload or could be the signal bouncing off things so the same signal via slightly different paths cancelling each other out
[10:17] <fsphil> judy *just* on the waterfall
[10:17] <fsphil> and decoding!
[10:17] <fsphil> love thor
[10:17] <ibanezmatt13_> ah ok
[10:18] <ibanezmatt13_> fsphil, I decoded some thor last time when it was at only 11km, now I get an extremely weak signal
[10:18] <fsphil> the fading is still killing it
[10:18] <Upu_M0PU> antennas are suboptimal on all trackers
[10:18] <fsphil> yea I'm struggling to see anything
[10:19] <Upu_M0PU> thor payloads using 2 ground planes not 4
[10:19] <fsphil> that shouldn't cause too much trouble
[10:19] <Upu_M0PU> buzz, ava using screw on Harvest antennas
[10:20] <Upu_M0PU> you can see the blue tape on one antenna :)
[10:20] <fsphil> hah, yes
[10:20] <fsphil> nice pics
[10:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah no wonder I douldn't hear BUZZ its 0434.196
[10:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> who moved it ?
[10:23] <mfa298> the blue tape on image 36 makes it look like daveake has a huge swimming pool next to the house
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[10:25] <ibanezmatt13_> getting punch, about time :)
[10:25] <fsphil> downward camera showing a bit of sky
[10:25] <fsphil> it msut be bumpy up there
[10:26] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: on the stream?
[10:27] <fsphil> the ssdv images
[10:27] <fsphil> image 57
[10:27] <Reb-SM3ULC> yeah, i blame the heavy lunch
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[10:29] <ibanezmatt13_> got a freq for rich anyone?
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[10:30] <fsphil> 434.525 apparently
[10:30] <fsphil> I can't see it at all
[10:30] <ibanezmatt13_> me neither, I tried it, couldn't see it
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[10:30] <fsphil> I'm only just seeing the thor16 so there is no hope for 600 baud rtty
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> <<2014-04-10T10:30Z RTTY @ 434444800+0964>>
[10:31] <fsphil> .444?
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> YES
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> NO wrong one
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.526 center
[10:32] <ibanezmatt13_> why can I hear people speaking near punch?
[10:32] <fsphil> "that's the way to do it!"?
[10:33] <fsphil> yay, full string from judy
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[10:34] <ibanezmatt13_> fsphil, can you hear the martians near judy?
[10:34] <fsphil> the band is clear
[10:34] <ibanezmatt13_> oh no its punch sorry
[10:34] <fsphil> only signal is judy, not even qrm
[10:34] <ibanezmatt13_> punch is strong thor for me here, but I hear people talking, while getting decodes
[10:35] <fsphil> I can see punch now
[10:36] <ibanezmatt13_> hang on, is the chase car's live stream txing sound
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[10:37] <ibanezmatt13_> it is, that was the sound :)
[10:37] <fsphil> hah
[10:38] <eroomde> anyone hear any doppler or warbling just then?
[10:38] <homewld> how do i decode THOR on Dlffidgi ?
[10:39] <fsphil> in Modes select Thor > Thor16
[10:39] <fsphil> "Op Mode" sorry
[10:40] <homewld> thanks now decoding PUNCH
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[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> humm no new lines from SPEARS just continous telemetry no c/r or L/F
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[10:51] <junderwood> Judy seems to have lost GPS lock
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> agree
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[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anybody else Rx SPAERS OK?
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[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Spears even
[10:53] <junderwood> back
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah yes it is
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> and SPEARS as well as JUDY
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Now its AVA's turn to go weak
[10:55] <fsphil> first full line from punch here
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[10:56] <gonzo_> SPEARS is getting weaker but stil,l there
[10:57] <fsphil> ah they're on the way down
[10:57] <fsphil> hadn't noticed
[10:58] <ibanezmatt13_> very strange how the signal is going from strong to weak to strong to weak all the time, fluctuating for me. Must be the equipment
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes much too busy a screen to see it all!
[10:59] <fsphil> it'll be it swinging about quite a bit
[10:59] <fsphil> as the antenna swings you'll move in and out of the null
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is the Igniter being tested today ?
[10:59] <ibanezmatt13_> ah right
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> lot of tumbling now
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> only PUNCH still stable
[11:00] <fsphil> nice altitude plot for punch
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[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah RICHARD comming back in trengh
[11:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> GA all
[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> *strength
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[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> PUNCH still solid the rest have faded
[11:06] <gonzo_> Spars is too weak for me, now on AVA as they seems to have gone unloved for a while
[11:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> Buzz need a solid and strong signal here befor it is writing
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[11:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> I am Buzz Lightyear. I come in peace
[11:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> fun
[11:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> but lot off red lines
[11:16] <Maxell> AVA and BUZZ not quite strong
[11:16] <Maxell> PUNCH in Thor16 very strong
[11:17] <Laurenceb__> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[11:17] <Laurenceb__> what is it?
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[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Isn't that the Igniter for the rocket
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> At least on the last spanish flight it was ?
[11:20] <Laurenceb__> i dont see anything happening
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[11:20] <Maxell> 450 kilometers dayum!
[11:21] <Herman-PB0AHX> Hoi Maxell
[11:22] <Maxell> burst
[11:22] <Maxell> hello Herman-PB0AHX
[11:22] <DL7AD> moin
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-44 travellled 4434Km's so far
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[11:23] <gonzo_> ava looks burtsy
[11:25] <gonzo_> ah, old news. slow vic refresh
[11:25] <gonzo_> vnc
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[11:28] <fsphil> brain lag
[11:29] <gonzo_> yep, i am hard of thinking, too
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[11:29] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: wow, it's above syria... Sick!
[11:30] <gonzo_> quite healthy I think
[11:32] <db_g6gzh> BUZZ is testing the rig tuning well
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[11:34] <Laurenceb__> google captcha: "ducklust"
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[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Latest B-44 predictions
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov//hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_178814&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
[11:37] <LeoBodnar> latest B-44 speed was 173km/h
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[11:39] <LeoBodnar> not very encouraging flightpath for B-44
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-44_20140408/B-44_201404101140_predict.jpg
[11:41] <JFS1> Sadly same problem as last time for B-44 - virtually no APRS till the Pacific coast
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like Punch & Judy are over for me :-(
[11:41] <LeoBodnar> I read Athens as "Aliens"
[11:41] <DL7AD> will it fly to almaty?
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[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like UPU is about to collect
[11:46] <JFS1> Joined the tracking party a bit too late due to a busy morning - just had time to try for AVA and BUZZ - couldn't get AVA at all and BUZZ fairly weak. Anyone else find the same?
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> There just about on the ground now
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[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> 1.5Km to go
[11:47] <JFS1> I had a go at both of them when they were still nearly 20km up
[11:47] <daveake> We're very close to the first flight
[11:47] <daveake> SSDV coming in again now
[11:48] <daveake> blurrycam
[11:48] <daveake> Lester and Upu off to collect
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Your in a amongst the stems of corn!
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Was the igniter expected to show anything from the cam ?
[11:49] <LeoBodnar> grasstv
[11:49] <fsphil> honey I shrunk the payload
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like the other flight is coming to join in the fun!
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[11:53] <Laurenceb__> ignition failed?
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> They really did shrink ther car http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/LOHAN_20140410/index.php?ind=21
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[11:59] <fsphil> just dave driving at warp 8
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right Lunch AFK
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[12:10] <db_g6gzh> neat parking http://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/chase_car.png
[12:11] <cm13g09> db_g6gzh: LOL
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[12:19] <Reb-SM3ULC> db_g6gzh: kinda small chasers?
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[12:21] <Meow_> they got iy!
[12:22] <Meow_> it
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[12:26] <Upu_M0PU> all payload recovered
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[12:29] <x-f> great!
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[13:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> UpuWork: wow!
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[13:17] <Upu_M0PU> afternoon
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[13:18] <steve_2e0vet> woukld anyone happen to have a ublox6 manual
[13:19] <steve_2e0vet> or is it the same as this u-blox7-V14_ReceiverDescriptionProtocolSpec_Public_(GPS.G7-SW-12001)
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[13:19] <eroomde> http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/u-blox6_ReceiverDescriptionProtocolSpec_%28GPS.G6-SW-10018%29.pdf
[13:20] <steve_2e0vet> thaNKS
[13:20] <eroomde> np
[13:20] <steve_2e0vet> DONT SUPPOSE YOU KNOW IF THERE IS MUCH DIFFERENCE IN WAY OF COMMANDS BETWEEN 6 & 7
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[13:20] <eroomde> NOT MUCH
[13:21] <eroomde> but i don't actually have a precise diff reference to hand
[13:21] <eroomde> the power-saving stuff is different
[13:21] <eroomde> for example
[13:21] <steve_2e0vet> spent 2 days trying to work something out and it turns out the sketch made for the max7 isnt working with the max6
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[13:22] <steve_2e0vet> i reverted to a basic sketch and all the data was pulled in OK
[13:22] <DL7AD> Igates in China: http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=8&call=a%2FBG6QBV-10%2Ca%2FBG6JOI-10%2Ca%2FBG8NTC-10%2Ca%2FBD6JO-10%2Ca%2FBG0GB-10%2Ca%2FBG8TAE-10%2Ca%2FBG8SRK-3%2Ca%2FBD8AES-10%2Ca%2FBG6ROW-10%2Ca%2FBY6SX-1%2Ca%2FBG6LQZ-10%2Ca%2FBG8AZO-10%2Ca%2FBH8DVB-10%2Ca%2FBG7DCS%2Ca%2FBR7CV-10&timerange=86400&tail=86400
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[13:24] <eroomde> steve_2e0vet: yep, been there
[13:24] <eroomde> fun isn't it
[13:25] <eroomde> always worth making sure you have the exact datasheet for your part
[13:25] <eroomde> and*also* that you've checked the errata sheet for your part
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[13:27] <eroomde> LeoBodnar / fsphil / Upu_M0PU : They've arrived: https://www.dropbox.com/s/23l9oof7hu3vbbh/2014-04-10%2014.16.15.jpg
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[13:29] <Upu_M0PU> hey Ed
[13:29] <Upu_M0PU> sat in a pub garden
[13:29] <eroomde> nice
[13:30] <Upu_M0PU> somewhere in pretty England
[13:30] <eroomde> we had lunch outside too
[13:30] <eroomde> amazing day
[13:30] <Upu_M0PU> very nice
[13:30] <eroomde> where abouts are you?
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[13:30] <Upu_M0PU> err
[13:30] <Upu_M0PU> no idea
[13:31] <Upu_M0PU> north of Cheltenham
[13:32] <eroomde> all v pretty up there
[13:34] <steve_2e0vet> if i said NAV-PVT would any one know what i was taking about
[13:34] <eroomde> not without getting the manual out
[13:34] <eroomde> but
[13:34] <eroomde> while i remember!
[13:34] <steve_2e0vet> lol.
[13:34] <eroomde> github
[13:34] <eroomde> so you won't loose this sketch too
[13:35] <steve_2e0vet> its a message on max7 but i cannot see it on max6
[13:35] <steve_2e0vet> wondered if there was an equielant one on the max6
[13:36] <amell> just catching up. is there a pic of the rocket firing?
[13:37] <eroomde> it didn't, apparently
[13:37] <amell> awww
[13:37] <LeoBodnar> 6 does not have NAV-PVT sentence which is the sweetest of them all
[13:37] <amell> did igniter burn at least?
[13:38] <eroomde> don't know
[13:38] <eroomde> whispers about blown fuses
[13:38] <mfa298> rockets/igniters not firing sounds somewhat like the last uk lohan launch
[13:38] <amell> uhuh
[13:38] <eroomde> guess it needs a proper shakedown but i think they're enjoying a hard-earned pub lucnh atm
[13:38] <steve_2e0vet> LeoBodnar, 2 days ive wondered why this sketch hasnt worked
[13:39] <amell> its a big challenge igniting at low temp low pressure
[13:39] <amell> wheres the pubcam?
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[13:40] <eroomde> amell: tell me about it
[13:40] <LeoBodnar> cool eroomde
[13:40] <LeoBodnar> re plugs
[13:41] <eroomde> i'll take it apart toda--morrow and see if they'll fit
[13:41] <eroomde> but they look the part
[13:41] <amell> someone said in a forum somewhere, that you have to epoxy the igniter inside a slug of propellant.
[13:41] <Laurenceb__> that sounds like a bad idea
[13:41] <LeoBodnar> amell: ?? epoxy?
[13:42] <Laurenceb__> silicone maybe
[13:42] <Laurenceb__> epoxy is going to go boom
[13:42] <LeoBodnar> that's better than nothing
[13:42] <amell> Laurenceb_ thats the idea :)
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[14:08] <fsphil> eroomde: nice, they match perfectly
[14:08] <eroomde> i spent a long while looking
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[14:09] <eroomde> i'm fairly intimate now with every style in the world stocked by fanrell, rs, mouser and digikey
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[14:12] <LeoBodnar> searching for right connectors robbed years of my life
[14:13] <LeoBodnar> but i still haven't found what i'm looking for
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[14:17] <eroomde> what are you looking for LeoBodnar?
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[14:21] <jcoxon> how cool would it be if UN7GN gets some data...
[14:22] <LeoBodnar> inexpensive 20A capacity 4+ ways circular connector that can be panel-mounted and has direct PCB connection
[14:23] <eroomde> i can do you all except the inexpensive bit (being me)
[14:23] <LeoBodnar> it's quite far away and the weather over Caspian Sea is really bad
[14:23] <LeoBodnar> heh i know
[14:23] <eroomde> how inexpensive actually?
[14:24] <eroomde> there are some plastic versions of the amphenol milspec stuff i use
[14:24] <eroomde> i think the range is called 62IP
[14:24] <LeoBodnar> <£20 pounds for a cable/panel set
[14:24] <eroomde> as opposed to 62GB which i my jellybean connectors
[14:24] <LeoBodnar> are they non-RoHS?
[14:25] <LeoBodnar> good stuff usually is
[14:25] <eroomde> probably
[14:26] <LeoBodnar> Cadmium green
[14:26] <LeoBodnar> beauty but "RoHS: No"
[14:26] <x-f> HA floater AETHR2-1 over US - http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=6&call=a%2FAETHR2-1&timerange=172800&tail=172800
[14:27] <eroomde> http://uk.farnell.com/amphenol/62ip-12e10-06pn/receptacle-panel-pin-cnt-6way/dp/1307431
[14:27] <eroomde> that kinda thing
[14:29] <LeoBodnar> 13A only but might be ok, thanks!
[14:29] <eroomde> how much current do you want?
[14:29] <eroomde> they do higher power 4 pin ones in that range
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[14:31] <LeoBodnar> 20A ideally but 15A might be OK
[14:31] <eroomde> oh no, i lie, 13A are the higher current ones
[14:31] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[14:31] <LeoBodnar> i am using these atm http://www.lappusa.com/catalog/LS1Overview.htm
[14:31] <eroomde> there's this dtyle in the normal 62GB range
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[14:31] <eroomde> http://uk.farnell.com/amphenol/62gb-12e14-02pn/plug-panel-high-power-2way/dp/3911317
[14:32] <eroomde> but probably too ££
[14:32] <LeoBodnar> oh and they need to be reverse polarity
[14:32] <LeoBodnar> so panel mounted stuff is energised
[14:32] <eroomde> sure
[14:32] <eroomde> available in both
[14:32] <LeoBodnar> this is tough to find
[14:32] <eroomde> all combos of male, fmeale, panel, free end, whatever
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[14:33] <LeoBodnar> yeah non-RoHS again
[14:33] <amell> any aprs in Iraq?
[14:33] <LeoBodnar> i think it means immediate CE fail
[14:33] <eroomde> hmm
[14:33] <amell> looks like leobodnar is invading iraq for the first time after reporting into nazareth
[14:33] <eroomde> buckaneers are connecotrs i use for cheaper stuff
[14:33] <eroomde> they're good
[14:33] <eroomde> eg
[14:34] <eroomde> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/product/3444021/?grossPrice=Y&cm_mmc=UK|Shopping-_-Google+PLA-_-Bulgin|Industrial+%26+Automation+Circular+Connectors-_-3444021&kpid=&istCompanyId=f7e7b05b-2daf-4c0e-8825-3633baf8113b&istItemId=xwilpiara&istBid=tzit&gclid=CJrd586R1r0CFQ7MtAodI2QADA
[14:34] <LeoBodnar> it's a shame as it is only due to cadmium containing coating on the casing
[14:34] <eroomde> bulgin generally make good stuff
[14:34] <eroomde> compliant with rohs
[14:35] <amell> leobodnar: you should update your webpage. B42-B44 are not on it.
[14:37] <eroomde> the general series datasheet: http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/002d/0900766b8002dc14.pdf
[14:37] <LeoBodnar> i like bulgin, they have nice small rectangular connectors that just magically click in
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[14:39] <LeoBodnar> 60mm OD, hehe proper stuff
[14:40] <_1_steve_mobile> What is the default speed that the u blog max 6 runs at
[14:40] <fsphil> 9600 baud
[14:40] <_1_steve_mobile> cheers
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[15:34] <G4AIU-Eugene> Good afternoon
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[15:39] <G4AIU-Eugene> Followed LOHAN this AM and copied 3 freqs only - but had to set-up details each time - is there any way of setting the details of the different freqs and then being able to switch between each freq.? Tks.
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[15:39] <jcoxon> G4AIU-Eugene, you can run multiple copies of dl-fldigi
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[15:40] <jcoxon> but to tell the truth the whole thing wasn't particularly designed to have multiple freqs
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[15:40] <jcoxon> back when we first started coding it
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[15:40] <G4AIU-Eugene> jcoxon - ge - that is interesting - but how?
[15:41] <G4AIU-Eugene> Will the system handle eg. 6 transmitters?
[15:43] <LeoBodnar> i think DL7AD had 10 or 12 opened once to make sure he gets DomEX transmission unattended before RSID has been used
[15:43] <LeoBodnar> we need CDMA mode XD
[15:44] <DL7AD> hm?
[15:44] <jcoxon> G4AIU-Eugene, well it will depend on your computer
[15:44] <jcoxon> obviously the processing requirements will increase...
[15:46] <G4AIU-Eugene> I can understand the Macro system but DL-Fldigi -but thanks - will try to set up as you say - running Win7 here
[15:46] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: yep i did.... i think it has been even 20 instances
[15:48] <G4AIU-Eugene> LeoBodnar - jcoxon tks will see what I can do
[15:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I was running 6 copies of dl-fldigi this morning under SDR-Radio, which has up to 6 VFO's
[15:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> no real problems needs a reasonable processor for the load.
[15:52] <G4AIU-Eugene> G8DHE - OK I also have a FC dongle - could try something there - Tks
[15:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> YUp mines a straight TV dongle so no problem with having the bandwidth available, then 6 VAC channels for the audio
[15:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> piping to each dl-fldigi and then 6 pairs of serial ports to feedback RIGCAT commands for AFC to SDR-Radio to stay tuned in despite drift.
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[15:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/LOHAN_20140410/Capture2.JPG
[15:55] <G4AIU-Eugene> Thanks for all that info - much appreciated!
[16:01] <G4AIU-Eugene> Another question! - to respond to a comment, is there an easier way of "point and click" on a name/call without having to type that name on the input line?
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[16:30] <jcoxon_> LeoBodnar, odd that we didn't get any more data from B-44
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[16:30] <jcoxon_> it was within range of the igate
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[16:41] <DL7AD> jcoxon_: not odd.... there was the same problem in turkey last time. mountains are the problem
[16:41] <DL7AD> applies in europe to other stations too
[16:42] <Obscene_CNN> mountains can be hard to deal with, just ask Hannible
[16:42] <DL7AD> Obscene_CNN: or me ^^ in living next to a 30m hill which increases in an 45° angle
[16:42] <Obscene_CNN> hannibal even
[16:45] <jcoxon_> DL7AD, fair enough
[16:45] <DL7AD> jcoxon_: the hill?
[16:46] <jcoxon_> oh the comment about the mountains
[16:46] <Obscene_CNN> lets start a kickstarter campaign to get DL7AD one of these http://media.thyssenkrupp.com/images/press/thyssenkrupp_p_831.jpg
[16:46] <jcoxon_> hence they reduced range
[16:47] <DL7AD> they are talking about reducing the mining of coal here in germany. may i ask to get one? :P @ Obscene_CNN
[16:48] <DL7AD> i will ship it for 1 billion to uk if you want ;)
[16:48] <jcoxon_> ummm check out http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=8&call=a%2FSP3SUX&timerange=86400&tail=86400
[16:49] <Obscene_CNN> DL7AD, but it will get rid of the 30 meter hill of yours quick
[16:49] <DL7AD> got it ^^
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[16:52] <Obscene_CNN> drat!! jcoxon_ just ran off with a bleached blonde and the kickstarter money. All we could afford to help you get rid of your hill is this http://www.promo-wholesale.com/china/Buckets/7/Blue-Beach-Pale-17237.htm
[16:53] <DL7AD> :D
[16:56] <DL7AD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGOGOxtN2lM
[16:57] <Obscene_CNN> lol
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[17:06] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon_: SP3SUX used TCPIP reporting onboard the airliner and in London
[17:06] <LeoBodnar> it's Mickey Mouse APRS
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[17:33] <cm13g09> DL7AD: thank you for that one :)
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[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:09] <SilverIV7> Hey all, new here
[19:10] <mclane> hello everybody
[19:11] <SilverIV7> I setup to launch my first balloon a while back but never found a GPS solution that was viable. Just been reading about using radio http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/wp/?page_id=170 so I think I'll take that route now and actually get around to it!
[19:13] <mclane> yea, that works
[19:14] <SilverIV7> Is radio reliable for the whole flight then? You'd have a good idea of exactly where it landed?
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[19:14] <mclane> yes
[19:15] <mclane> however, you have to follow the balloon, so that you are close when it comes low
[19:15] <mfa298> SilverIV7 it can be very reliable although having more than yourself listening can help even more.
[19:15] <x-f> using radio (and habhub, and spacenearus), you will see live prediction on the map, too, so you will know where to go to get there quickly
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[19:15] <mfa298> where in the world are you located ?
[19:16] <SilverIV7> Okay that's great, I'm in Kent, 20 ish miles south of London in UK
[19:16] <mclane> uk is easy, there are many people tracking
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[19:17] <mclane> ;-)
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[19:18] <SilverIV7> Another question is about inflating the actual weather balloon, how do you know / measure the amout of helium to put in?
[19:19] <mclane> goto habhub.org - there is a burst calculator
[19:19] <mclane> you have to determine the neck lift during filling
[19:19] <enkidu> SilverIV7: for actual weather balloon you have weighted adaptor
[19:19] <bertrik> I'm no expert, but it's about 1 liter He per gram to lift IIRC
[19:19] <enkidu> when it strarts floating it is filled properly
[19:20] <SilverIV7> Thanks, is there some sort of measurement tool to measure the flow into the balloon? I have a canister of helium so it would be hard to know when enough is enough without?
[19:20] <mclane> you do not need to do that
[19:20] <mfa298> SilverIV7: kent may not be the best place to launch from - you run out of land quickly but there are plenty of launches around the UK so you can get to see how things work.
[19:20] <mclane> just calculate the necessary neck lift and use an appropriate weight
[19:21] <mclane> (e.g. water bottle)
[19:21] <mclane> and fill until the balloon ist just floating
[19:24] Nick change: DL7AD -> DL7AD_
[19:24] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[19:26] <SilverIV7> mfan298: that's true, I was hoping to launch on a very low wind day so it didn't end up in France, would be possible to travel to another launch place though, do have family in yorkshire
[19:26] <SilverIV7> mclane: that's so simple but makes so much sense!
[19:27] <enkidu> actual weather balloon is designed to burst at ~30km
[19:28] <enkidu> some people were experimenting with bonding nets or very little amount of free lift
[19:31] <mfa298> SilverIV7: if you get yourself setup with a suitable radio receiver you should be able to pick up various other UK flights which will help learn about how it works. there's also several good guides on the wiki about building your own payload
[19:32] <mfa298> most launches are announced on http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
[19:32] <LeoBodnar> yo Upu daveake
[19:33] <Upu> yolo
[19:33] <Upu> said with as much energy as I can muster after 9 hours of driving
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> lol
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> did you take the pic of the sign? I haven't unwrapped it
[19:33] <Upu> yes
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> just curious of quality
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> if any
[19:33] <Upu> Twitter didn't wor
[19:34] <Upu> work
[19:34] <Upu> 1 sec
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[19:34] <SilverIV7> mfa298: thanks, I will do that soon and have a go. Can I connect a USB one to the tv aerial in my loft if I get the correct adapters etc or does it need to be a special aerial?
[19:34] <arko> 9 hours of driving?
[19:35] <mfa298> tv aerial isn't ideal although if it's pointing towards the payload it might work
[19:36] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/DcUUmlF.jpg
[19:36] <Upu> yeah arko
[19:36] <arko> woah you guys launched today?
[19:36] <arko> how did i miss this?
[19:36] <mfa298> most people get an amateur radio vertical antenna for the 2m and 70cm bands - something like the watson W-50
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> Lester's white glove
[19:38] <mclane> you can build a yagi for 70 cm yourself
[19:38] <fsphil> oooh how'd the panorama go daveake?
[19:38] <Upu> have it hear
[19:38] <Upu> here
[19:39] <Upu> stopped at 59 mins but was looking great to that point
[19:39] <Upu> give me a few mins
[19:39] <fsphil> np
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> are you going for a quick spin?
[19:39] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/pLyHz9Z.jpg
[19:39] <fsphil> it's bad that it's quicker for someone to drive 9 hours than to upload it locally :)
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[19:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All
[19:40] <fsphil> haha, very good
[19:40] <LeoBodnar> lol approve
[19:40] <daveake> fsphil sadly true!
[19:42] <arko> awesome picture
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[19:45] <Hes> Hahah
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[19:46] <mfa298> that's a great sign
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[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, cool
[20:22] <SilverIV7> I've created a facebook group for my balloon project, might be a while before it actually launches but if you to stay upto date: https://www.facebook.com/groups/776439285700768/
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[20:41] <mikestir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQehX0rVYuY <- teardown of a flight recorder
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[20:57] <SilverIV7> Any thoughts on the cheapest and most relibable transmitters to go in the balloon payloads? The only information I really need is where the balloon is
[20:58] <enkidu> atmega + ublox + wireless rs232 transmitter
[21:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:radio_modules:ntx2 although this has now been superceded
[21:01] <mfa298> the ntx2b is a nice easy radio transmitter to use and is legal airborne in the uk
[21:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> by a similar device
[21:02] <mfa298> and when you want to buy one http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=71_63
[21:02] <mfa298> there's also gps modules on breakout boards on that store
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[21:06] <SilverIV7> are there any articles on buying those and putting them together?
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[21:08] <SilverIV7> I've never used radio transmitters / receivers before so it's little challenging know which bits do what and how they fit ... although i am a programmer and electronics student so should get the hang of it!
[21:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have you had a good search of the Wiki ?
[21:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> there is all sorts of info on buolding and using them
[21:10] <SilverIV7> I'll take a look
[21:11] <mfa298> SilverIV7: try that link as a starting point
[21:12] <mfa298> (and woohoo! zeusbot obviously likes me today :) )
[21:12] <SilverIV7> mfa298: that's perfect, thanks
[21:13] <mfa298> the guide to tracking on the wiki covers a lot of what you need to know for receving a payload
[21:14] <mfa298> and its well worth trying to track some other flights so you get used to it and can get help from here if you have problems
[21:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Your best bet for starting ould be to set up to track a caouple of flights from home first and get a feel for the radio side
[21:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> then to start thinking about what you need on the Tx side.
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[21:17] <mfa298> you may also be able to join in with someone else that's launching and help with launch, chasing or both
[21:17] <Upu> SilverIV7 there is a more upto date version of that article
[21:17] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=617
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[21:17] <Upu> I will copy it across to the Wiki at some point
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
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[21:42] <g0pai_ian> Upu: nice to have the contrasting biase arrangements of the NTX2B from the two articles. Makes for increased clarity I think and of course gives options.
[21:43] <g0pai_ian> s/biase/bias/
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[22:06] <DL7AD> http://dl7ad.de/b_11_romania.png
[22:07] <malclocke> Am I correct in saying you folks don't use APRS in the UK for legislative reasons?
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[22:08] <LeoBodnar> any airborne AR
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[22:10] <malclocke> LeoBodnar, AR = Amateur Radio?
[22:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Our license stops us using amateur radio when airborne, so we all use the ISM band instead ;-)
[22:12] <malclocke> ahh, ok
[22:12] <malclocke> I'm not sure if we have a similar regulation here in NZ, I assume if we can do APRS it's the best approach?
[22:14] <mattbrejza> depends if you cba to read through your licence docs
[22:15] <mattbrejza> having said that theres nothing here we could find about not using pmr446, but ofcom wernt too happy when we did
[22:15] <LeoBodnar> Ozzies sent balloons with APRS across to you
[22:16] <malclocke> I don't see anything specific in the license. If it's legal in Au chances are it is here too, most of the regs seem to be cut'n'paste from the Aussie ones :)
[22:18] <LeoBodnar> Darkside (OZ) is doing it all the time on both HF and UHF/VHF
[22:20] <LeoBodnar> also this http://picospace.net/
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