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[08:06] <fsphil> mornings
[08:06] <jonsowman> morning :D
[08:07] <daveake> 1 monring at a time is plenty :/
[08:08] <LazyLeopard> more than enough to deal with!
[08:08] <LazyLeopard> at least it's sunny(-ishh)...
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[08:13] <jcoxon> what are peoples thoughs on upgrading openssl etc
[08:13] <LeoBodnar> bogof morning
[08:13] <jcoxon> i assume that we should be doing a mass upgrade
[08:13] <jcoxon> ?
[08:13] <fsphil> goodness, that's a bad bug
[08:15] <Hes> I did a mass upgrade already. What a nice way to spend a morning. Next up: replacing a whole lot of RSA keys and certificates.
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[08:19] <fsphil> one machine down,... lots to go
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[08:23] <jcoxon> next question - whats the best way to check openssl version on a remote box
[08:23] <jcoxon> is it just login and then openssl version ?
[08:24] <fsphil> your distro may backport the fix to an older version
[08:24] <fsphil> bet to check the package change log
[08:24] <fsphil> best*
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[08:25] <Habjoe> Morning all. Wondering if the Habitat call centre is open yet. I would like the AURA4 flight doc's approved. 9dc5ba05a9a4f3b47ee3eef14b24d6ed.
[08:25] <jonsowman> if ubuntu/debian, $ dpkg -l | grep openssl
[08:25] <fsphil> the last entry in the openssl rpm:
[08:25] <fsphil> * Mon Apr 07 2014 Tomáa Mráz <tmraz@redhat.com> 1.0.1e-16.7
[08:25] <fsphil> - fix CVE-2014-0160 - information disclosure in TLS heartbeat extension
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[08:32] <UpuWork> Approved Habjoe
[08:33] <Habjoe> many thanks Upu!
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[08:57] <x-f> http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/ - test your openssl sites
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[08:59] <fsphil> already updated
[08:59] <fsphil> but the lingering question is whether the private key has been leaked
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[09:05] <mfa298> it's not the upgrade thats the issue as such it's what's potentially been leaked and I'm not sure if it's just leaking stuff that openssl would have known about or anything that could have been in ram
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[09:27] <fsphil> yea it really could be anything
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[09:33] <mfa298> good excuse to go around updating and cleaning out all those ssh keys though :)
[09:33] <mfa298> if only openssh could have something like ~/.ssh/authorisedkeys.d/ rather than having to edit a single file
[09:34] <pjm> yo re that openSSL issue, http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/ is either a clever phish to find vulnerable sites, or its a handy tool... you decide ;)
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[09:36] <mfa298> looks like the source is available on github so you can run the tests yourself (and check what it's doing)
[09:36] <fsphil> yay paranoia!
[09:36] <pjm> LOL ^
[09:36] <fsphil> and here goes freenode
[09:37] <fsphil> is heartbeat enabled by default?
[09:37] <pjm> seems to be in vulnerable releases of openssl yeah
[09:38] <pjm> another NSA 'rat' perhaps
[09:38] <Hes> The vulnerability leaks whatever happens to be within the process memory that links against openssl.
[09:38] <pjm> but good its been found, imagine mimikatz + openSSL vuln, could be useful for lifting creds out of ram
[09:38] <Hes> So, for https servers, whatever within the apache or nginx server memory. The operating system limits it so that it cannot go peeking elsewhere in the system memory.
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[09:39] <fsphil> and we're back
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[09:40] <fsphil> spoke too soon
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[09:41] <nats`> fsphil there are so much server :)
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[09:42] <DL7AD> ops.... again
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[09:43] <fsphil> good day to be selling ssl certificates I guess
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[09:44] <mfa298> I suspect it's going to be coming and going for a while - what's the betting I just reconnected to a server that's not been patched yet
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[09:45] <mfa298> I was just re-reading the heartbleed page and agree with Hes it looks like it's just what's in the processes memory that get's leaked (based on what the page says)
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[09:47] <Hes> but in this case it can be a whole lot, your private keys and passwords and whatever data is passed through the server or client process...
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[09:47] <Hes> if your web browser is attacked by a man-in-the-middle attack, whatever happens to be inside the browser's memory
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[09:48] <mfa298> agreed it's not much better than everything in ram being accessible.
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[09:49] <mfa298> although hopefully means root passwords and admin accounts (which hopefully don't match what's used day to day) are safe.
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[09:50] <fsphil> yea that's unlikely to be in a webserver's memory
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[09:50] <fsphil> and if it is, shame on you :)
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[09:50] <mfa298> or any other service (pop/imap/ssh/smtp)
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[10:11] <SV1NJX> qrz.com/db/J43VHF
[10:11] <SV1NJX> j43vhf.wordpress.com
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[10:44] <nats`> Still no netsplit for me that's weird
[10:44] <fsphil> I've been kicked twice. That's probably it all done now
[10:46] <nats`> so hitchock server will not reboot ?
[10:46] <fsphil> it may not be running ssl
[10:46] <fsphil> I don't think all the servers allow encrypted connections
[10:46] <nats`> uhhm true
[10:51] skagmo_ (skagmo@cassarossa.samfundet.no) got lost in the net-split.
[10:51] <mfa298> my backup connection doesn't appear to have been restarted yet
[10:52] <mfa298> looks like that's on hitchcock as well and should be a secure connection
[10:53] <fsphil> wonder if it's on an old version of openssl
[10:53] <fsphil> versions before 1.0 where not affected
[10:53] <fsphil> my old centos 5.10 box was fine
[10:53] <mfa298> could well be
[10:54] <mfa298> I don't think freenode own the hardware or OS for a number of the nodes - they just have an account and run the irc software
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[10:57] <nats`> mfa298 IIRC they don't own the hardware but they take only dedicated server where they are root
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[10:59] <nats`> http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml
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[12:21] <fsphil> third time lucky
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[12:31] <Laurenceb__> http://dirtypcbs.com/index.php
[12:32] <DL7AD> Laurenceb__: where are the pcbs made?
[12:35] <DL7AD> hong kong
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[12:57] <sp2ipt> Laurenceb__: the price looks great - did u actually got something from them? how's the quality?
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[12:57] <Laurenceb__> no i havent tried
[12:58] <sp2ipt> ok, waiting for the brave one :)
[12:59] <UpuWork> only $2 less than Mitch
[13:00] <mattbrejza> does that comparison include shipping?
[13:00] <UpuWork> Think Mitch is $14 for the 50mm x 50mm with shipping + $3 for registered
[13:01] <mattbrejza> seeed now charge like $7 for shipping :/
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[15:26] <Laurenceb__> http://www.sandisk.co.uk/goto/newmicrosd128/
[15:26] <Laurenceb__> omgz
[15:37] <myself> meh. get an adapter and throw a 256 fullsize in there..
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[17:14] <Laurenceb__> http://pic.epicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fashion-fail-cunt.jpg
[17:15] <craag> Laurenceb__: Not really suitable, or on topic.
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[17:29] <basil_> Is anyone having any trouble with the landing predictor, or is it just me?
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[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:31] <ibanezmatt13> seems all good here basil_
[17:32] <basil_> Thanks, will try again!
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[17:48] <Willdude123> ibanezmatt13: I was just wondering, are you submitting an EPQ?
[17:49] <SA6BSS> B43 up and away :)
[17:49] <ibanezmatt13> I'm considering doing one at college next year; not doing one at the mo no
[17:50] <Willdude123> ibanezmatt13: cool
[17:50] <Willdude123> Remind me what a levels you taking?
[17:51] <ibanezmatt13> Maths, further maths, physics and computing at AS. Next year, probably continue with 1st 3
[17:52] <Willdude123> ibanezmatt13: how is computing? I spoke to one guy who said it is crap
[17:52] <ibanezmatt13> I actually like it. :) But I only chose it really since I had to choose 4, I was pretty set with the first 3.
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[17:53] <junderwood> LeoBodnar, what modulation today?
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[17:55] <g0pai_ian> ? QRG B-42
[17:56] <mfa298> almost certainly 434.500 I'm not sure Leo uses any other frequency!
[17:56] <g0pai_ian> Many thanks
[17:57] <craag> Yeah it's on .500
[17:57] <craag> Got it on the websdr
[17:57] <g0pai_ian> Leo seems to launch like the CIA, with not a lot of fanfare. This one seems bound for the Rivierra
[17:57] <craag> What modulation is it normally?
[17:58] <mikestir> probably has rsid - it was contestia or something last time
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[18:00] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yes Contestia 8/1000 is normal but RSID should sort it, its not been apprroved Doc wise at the moment
[18:02] <Upu> approved
[18:03] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Good man!
[18:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> another sneak into airspace by leo.. ;)
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[18:07] <Willdude123> 434.500 - Primary User - Must accept interference from Leo
[18:08] <Upu> lol
[18:09] <Upu> I spent 5 mins last week trying to locate my payload before I realised I'd automatically tuned to 434.500 without thinking
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[18:10] <Reb-SM3ULC> the ironi of travels.. brother travels from sthlm to london.. 3h.. waits 4h... onto plane for tokyo... +3h again... back over sthlm at 11 km height..
[18:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> Upu: written to memory too much? ;)
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[18:13] <fsphil> http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html
[18:13] <fsphil> ah well :)
[18:16] <Reb-SM3ULC> here wo go
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[18:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah heard the RSID but no visible datat yet
[18:29] <mclane> beeps are gone on the websdr
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[18:31] <craag> mclane: Loud and clear for me
[18:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> mclane: the suws websdr beeps nice for me
[18:33] <mclane> ah - I just checked the tuning - obviously I have detuned by some kHz for some reason
[18:34] <mclane> craag: have you been able to decode?
[18:35] <craag> mclane: Yes, a few
[18:36] <craag> The contestia decoder seems to lose sync easily if the fylingdales pusle interrupts though
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[18:42] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Does the rsid set the mode automatically?
[18:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> If its set to do so yes
[18:43] <craag> Ok, I've set 'detector searches entire passband' what else do I need?
[18:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes it always does can't see an option to not do so
[18:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> make sure its turned on top right RxID
[18:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> light should be on
[18:43] <craag> Ha, thanks!
[18:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> or see the additions to the Wiki I made ;-)
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[18:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> got it ?
[18:45] <craag> Yeah, as soon as my housemate started torrenting - packet jitter crashes the websdr :/
[18:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah kill his torrent quick!
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[18:47] <craag> set to PSK-125 off frequency - lets see this work the magic :)
[18:48] <craag> nice :D
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[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> what is PSK-125?
[18:48] <craag> A random mode that isn't correct
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> hmm
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[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> like PSK31?
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> or what it is called?
[18:49] <craag> yeah
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> I once visited a ham with my flight gear and he asked why we don't use PSK31
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[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> and actually back then I was not really answer that
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[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> I think he said it might be a bit more error-forgiving than RTTY on the demodulating side
[18:50] <craag> It's rather difficult to produce easily in hardware.
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:50] <novusordo> is anyone here familiar with ssdv? (as in, the command-line program on the wiki)
[18:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> You might find it misses the first record if it has to change freq. much, unless Leo has added a little extra delay
[18:50] <craag> Especially as it's amplitude goes to zero at transitions
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:50] <novusordo> i'm trying to figure out what "output file" actually is
[18:51] <novusordo> as in what format
[18:51] <craag> So a simple DDS won't work
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> "and actually back then I was not really answer that" add an "able to" after the really
[18:51] <craag> There's a couple of other modes in the pipeline behind the scenes...
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> you mean like the contestia that leo uses? or the Hellschreiber that Bill uses often?
[18:52] <x-f> novusordo, it's a binary file that you read in chunks (256 bytes, for example) and transmit just like you do with the regular telemetry
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[18:52] <novusordo> x-f: thanks
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[18:53] <x-f> novusordo, you can read and transmit it in one go, but it's not a good practice, it is better to interleave the telemetry
[18:53] <novusordo> i'm not very experienced with telemetry
[18:53] <novusordo> i've mostly been using SSTV
[18:54] <novusordo> could you give an example of how i'd interleave it?
[18:55] <x-f> start with a simple RTTY, then add SSDV
[18:55] <x-f> you do know that SSDV is more like images not video (unlike SSTV)?
[18:55] <x-f> still images*
[18:55] <novusordo> yes
[18:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope Loe hasn't yet added an extra delay miss the callsign of the first record
[18:57] <novusordo> one other question... what does the "percentage" commandline option do?
[18:57] <novusordo> i've been looking through the code but i'm still not sure
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[19:00] <x-f> i don't know. fsphil knows - he's the author!
[19:01] <x-f> could be something for debugging maybe
[19:01] <novusordo> think i could get away with ignoring it for now?
[19:02] <x-f> yep
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[19:02] <novusordo> i'm gonna look into it, but i'm focused on getting things working
[19:03] <novusordo> launching from my university in just a few weeks :)
[19:03] <x-f> pretty tight schedule then :)
[19:04] <novusordo> yup.
[19:05] <novusordo> i've got a RPi that i have transmitting SSTV from a camera, was originally going to send that up
[19:05] <novusordo> but now that SSDV seems possible, that looks like a much more desirable way to get images
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[19:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh B-44 as well
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[19:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Now what freq. will that be on ?
[19:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> or interlaced with B-43 ?
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[19:08] <fsphil> novusordo: the percentage is a test option for the decoder. it drops a percentage of gthe packets
[19:09] <fsphil> the output file is a series of 256 byte packets
[19:09] <novusordo> oh, neat
[19:09] <fsphil> you can send these packets in any order you want, with whatever data you want in between them
[19:10] <fsphil> the only requirement is that the 256 bytes are not interrupted
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[19:10] <novusordo> good to know
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[19:11] <novusordo> thanks for writing it by the way, looks like it'll be very useful
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[19:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Both on 434.5 interleaved ? LeoBodnar ?
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[19:20] <bertrik> what is the transmit interval on B-43 approximately?
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[19:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> 4 minutes between records, usual pulses double pulse then RSID
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[19:23] <LeoBodnar> [20:23] <LeoBodnar> B-44 is 1.5kHz higher [20:23] <LeoBodnar> than usual [20:23] <LeoBodnar> B-43 is the usual
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[19:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right duly adjusted!
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[19:28] <craag> Partial from B-44 already on the websdr :)
[19:30] <aadamson> ah fun, LeoBodnar's at it again :)... Hey LeoBodnar, what do you use as the max voltage that you'll see from the Solar panel as a part of your ADC configuration?
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> see you in a moment
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[19:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> OT Passed fiirst reading http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2013-2014/0032/cbill_2013-20140032_en_2.htm#l1g1
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[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> Geoff-G8DHE, we had that too
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> all men were subject to serve in the army or in a social service if medically fit
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> was abolished in 2011
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[19:38] <nats`> fuck still this qrm in 434.5
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> Geoff-G8DHE, so is this an amendment to a bill?
[19:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed quite common, but it has been making much noise in the news here at all .. I can see a few being less then amused!!
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[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> *has NOT
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> I mean I was quite astonished by the commercials on british TV by the army
[19:40] <bertrik> got a partial from packet 67 from B-43 about 7 minutes ago
[19:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Got to get the cannon fodder in one way or the other ;-)
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:41] <jcoxon> what are leo's balloons on?
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[19:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.5 434.501.5
[19:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> and Helium
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[19:51] <g0pai_ian> National Service was abolished in the UK in 1962. This new move might come as a bit of a revelation to many. This is the first that I have heard of it, but then I'm well out of the bracket now. I think it is probably seen as a source of grunts on the ground and something to get lardy layabouts motivated and sorted out. But will it come to pass?
[19:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/nationalservice.html
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[19:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> No its Social Service not military, as proposed.
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> so both houses have to ratify an amendment?
[19:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nah its quite a bit more than that it looks like a vague attempt to scare the masses!
[19:54] <mikestir> It sounds like a reasonable idea to me, until you get to the bit about minimum wage. I was in full time education until I was 22, and having to work at minimum wage for a year at any point after that would have put me at a significant financial disadvantage
[19:54] <mikestir> I'm sure that's the case for plenty on here
[19:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its a Bill put forward by a single Member of Parliment, and these rarely get sufficent time to be discussed and hence fail.
[19:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> the link above (second chows the stages it would have to ass thru!)
[19:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> *shows
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[19:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> also about a 10% increase on Tax threshold for those who pass!
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[19:57] <mikestir> that's, what, about £200 a year at present. big wow
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[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> Geoff-G8DHE, yeah, both chambers have to discuss it, right?
[20:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup twice each then it can be passed back to the Commons for a final vote
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:08] <MatB> damn, B-44 too far on the wrong side of the house. can't be bothered to move the receiver
[20:09] <bertrik> almost got B-43 packet 84, can't see an error in the sentence, but apparently the checksum fails
[20:22] <nats`> antenna heading to the south of paris
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[20:58] <nats`> boyz fldigi support CAT command for YAESU ?
[20:59] <Upu> it can control the Yaesu yes
[21:00] <Upu> I do it via hamlib
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[21:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> It does I use with SDR-RADIO but just choose the right rig file
[21:01] <nats`> oky I'll try so :)
[21:01] <nats`> I have a VR-5000 linked to it
[21:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Interesting the B-44 off the back of the beam is as strong as off the vertical
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[21:10] <jcoxon> finally got a signal
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[21:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Straight down the line http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-43_20140408/index.php?ind=1
[21:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> for both of them! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-44_20140408/index.php?ind=0
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[21:17] <DL7AD> evening ;)
[21:17] <bertrik> B-43 is moving out of range for me, I'll try to track B-44
[21:18] <jcoxon> lots of french stations but no tracking?
[21:19] <nats`> jcoxon mine is heading south
[21:19] <jcoxon> oh right
[21:19] <nats`> with a building on north
[21:19] <jcoxon> so you'll get it once it swings past paris
[21:19] <nats`> so until south of paris it'll be hard
[21:19] <nats`> past paris my previous record was on Bourges :)
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[21:20] <jcoxon> excellent :-)
[21:20] <jcoxon> night all
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[21:33] <ibanezmatt13> Guys I'm looking at getting probably a nice collinear for the house as the magmount isn't that practical without the car roof in my bedroom. Are there any recomendations out there?
[21:34] <nats`> I prefer Yagi for my balconi :)
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:34] <ibanezmatt13> haha, yeah I'm not in a great place to point tbh, and I probably couldn't be bothered :P
[21:35] <ibanezmatt13> I looked at the X-30 and X-50, just wondering if there are any alternatives worth considering for around £50 budget
[21:36] <mfa298> there's the similar watson models
[21:36] <fsphil> the W-50 is slightly cheaper and just as good
[21:36] <fsphil> plus the instructions are probably not in Japanese
[21:36] <fsphil> which is a bonus
[21:36] <ibanezmatt13> yea that tends to help :)
[21:36] <mfa298> don't forget you'll want to reasonable coax to go with the antenna which can cost just as much (something like rg213 is a reasonable starting point)
[21:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> and specify N connectors for the aerial
[21:37] <ibanezmatt13> ah didn't think of that mfa298
[21:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> otherwise you get PL259
[21:37] <fsphil> and some self amalgamating tape to waterproof the connector on the roof
[21:37] <ibanezmatt13> okie dokie, noted
[21:38] <ibanezmatt13> I was gonna say, it'd be easier if the coax was already on it, but I guess that's cheating, and expensive
[21:38] <fsphil> get as tall a pole as you can get by the family
[21:38] <mfa298> then do your foundation at the ukhas conference next year and get a transceiver and you can talk to people!
[21:38] <mfa298> (or moan about your ailments)
[21:38] <ibanezmatt13> haha
[21:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hw will be able to moan about his National Service
[21:38] <fsphil> hah
[21:39] <ibanezmatt13> Nah, I had a look at the Yaesu radios and they're just far too much, plus I'm not that bothered about txing myself apart from in the air :)
[21:43] <ibanezmatt13> you know the gain on an antenna, is it the higher the better/
[21:43] <ibanezmatt13> ?
[21:43] <daveake> depends
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[21:43] <nats`> uhhmm basically yes
[21:43] <nats`> but it depends on how you want it omni or directionnal
[21:43] <mattbrejza> not if you want to mount it on your car as you go chasing
[21:44] <ibanezmatt13> I was thinking as a stationary for tracking other HABs
[21:44] <ibanezmatt13> to put on the house roof
[21:44] <fsphil> high enough to get over the roof line
[21:44] <mattbrejza> well you could get a high gain one that has a 360o FOV, but the signal would be weak when at a high angle
[21:45] <mattbrejza> but that usually doesnt matter so much
[21:45] <mattbrejza> we've used a 7.2dB gain magmount, was pretty useless when you were close to it
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[21:45] <ibanezmatt13> right. I'm comparing the X-50 and W-50, one is 2dB higher than the other, and a bit taller, otherwise I don't really see the difference
[21:45] <daveake> meh
[21:46] <daveake> I'd get the W-50 but either will do fine
[21:46] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[21:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> You have more gain with the bigger number but that gain is more towards the horizon and less upwards
[21:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> so a deeper numm above you which isn't usually a big problem at all
[21:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> *null
[21:47] <ibanezmatt13> right
[21:47] <fsphil> it would have to be directly above you for it to cause a problem
[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can't seem to find any polar diagrams for either aerial on the net either ...
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[21:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah he we are http://www.diamondantenna.net/x50arad.html
[21:57] <daveake> I had a pico fly within 100m of directly ovrhead, 4km up, and there was a big null but it still decoded
[22:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Huh B-43 is only at 7Kms tonight so its dropping out for me now :-(
[22:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> put the beams on B-44 and see what gives
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[22:04] <amell> oh god, 43 and 44 and i missed them
[22:04] <daveake> The "B" stands for "Bus"!
[22:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-44 is only just leavinbg the country
[22:04] <amell> why 2 at once? are they a flying mesh&
[22:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> He drapes the HF aerial between them
[22:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[22:06] <amell> the key to conquering that iran transit is to launch a whole series of these Bs and get them all relaying telemetry.
[22:06] <amell> why are there two at once?
[22:06] <Maxell> for science
[22:06] <Maxell> why not at the same freq and see how well it goes
[22:06] <amell> A noble endeavour
[22:09] <amell> lets see what else I missed.
[22:10] <Maxell> :p
[22:11] <amell> yet another aerial and cable discussion. I went with X-50 jap clone (Spyder) and Aircell 7 cable from nevada.
[22:11] <amell> hint. 1 inch mast is too thin for an X-50, need at least 1.5
[22:13] <amell> Heartbleed - if i replace private keys, do I really need to go and buy new SSL certs? :(
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[22:15] <nats`> amell depends if your key has been leaked :|"
[22:15] <amell> I wouldnt know if it had.
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[22:21] <nats`> that's the problem amell
[22:21] <ibanezmatt13> anybody know of a line of sight calculator type thing where I can look at line of sight past hills and things from where I live?
[22:21] <amell> so how about the answer? Do i need to replace the public SSL certs if I change private key?
[22:22] <ulfr> ibanezmatt13: there's SPLAT
[22:22] <ulfr> ibanezmatt13: but that's perhaps a bit over kill...
[22:22] <ibanezmatt13> possibly, just wanna see how I clear the hills around me in different directions :/
[22:23] <ulfr> perhaps google earth can provide altitude ground data?
[22:23] <mattbrejza> there is certianly a webapp thing that shows you what you want
[22:24] <mattbrejza> cant remember what its called oc...
[22:24] <mattbrejza> that would just be useful
[22:24] <daveake> yeah I can never remember where that is
[22:24] <ulfr> ah
[22:24] <ulfr> le french?
[22:24] <ibanezmatt13> ah, I know who told me
[22:24] <ibanezmatt13> ping: mikestir
[22:24] <ulfr> There was a french dude who made some webapp
[22:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Prediction is interesting for both of them at preent http://tinyurl.com/qe3sk6r
[22:24] <mikestir> pong ibanezmatt13
[22:24] <amell> http://www.heywhatsthat.com/profiler.html
[22:25] <daveake> that's the one cheers
[22:25] <ibanezmatt13> mikestir, that line of sight thing we used for billinge hill
[22:25] <ibanezmatt13> can you remember the name?
[22:25] <mikestir> radio mobile
[22:25] <ibanezmatt13> excellent, cheers!
[22:26] <ulfr> Ah!
[22:26] <amell> Geoff: still that APRS blackspot though...
[22:26] <ibanezmatt13> mikestir, the one you download?
[22:26] <amell> is it possible to get to japan while staying in APRS range?
[22:26] <mikestir> yes it's a windows program (or runs under WINE ok)
[22:26] <ibanezmatt13> got it, thanks
[22:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Once its passed Italy ... might get it back round Turkey ... then ...
[22:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right i'm off to bed! AFK
[22:27] <amell> sp3osj and leobodnar are just sending free stuff to the ayatollah.
[22:32] <DL7AD> we got an receiver in Turin, Italy tuned to 434.500Mhz USB http://ham.radio.it/PROJECTS/spectra/Albugnano/index.html
[22:32] <amell> Ah! A Kraut!
[22:33] <amell> Question for germans& is there a SIM i can buy for lots of mobile data when I am in germany for 2 weeks this summer?
[22:34] <DL7AD> amell: there are plenty provider in germany at every edge. have a look to ALDI, Netto (i think) or Lidl
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[22:35] <amell> Do you need to show a german credit card to buy sims?
[22:35] <DL7AD> amell: no! ^^
[22:36] <amell> http://www.alditalk.de/nord/Surfen/index.php
[22:36] <DL7AD> amell: you just have to activate them by fax formula
[22:36] <amell> fax formula?
[22:36] <amell> translation error
[22:36] <DL7AD> amell: yes to avoid abuse.
[22:37] <amell> What do you mean by fax formula ?
[22:37] <DL7AD> you must register yourself when using a mobile sim card
[22:37] <amell> oh. on a website somewhere?
[22:37] <DL7AD> you must fill a formular which must be send to an facility by scanning this formular and transmitting it.
[22:37] <amell> oh. a form.
[22:38] <fsphil> people still use fax?
[22:38] <DL7AD> i do
[22:38] <amell> the germans do apparently
[22:38] <daveake> how typically efficient
[22:38] <DL7AD> :D
[22:38] <amell> ¬14.99 for 30 days - 5GB allowance. Not bad.
[22:39] <fsphil> it'll be nice to get rid of roaming charges
[22:39] <daveake> yup
[22:39] <amell> oh i wouldnt dream of roaming - used a french sim last year when we were in france
[22:39] <DL7AD> i think you can do the registration by internet-form as well.
[22:39] <amell> I will ask my wife to look at the page. She speaks german
[22:39] <fsphil> it's annoying when driving near the border here and you get "Welcome to O2 Ireland, your texts cost £1 each and the internet is £1/1MByte"
[22:40] <DL7AD> amell: to which place are you travelling?
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[22:41] <amell> bavaria, schwarzwald and innsbruck
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[22:41] <nats_laptop> Before RSID: <<2014-04-08T22:36Z Contestia @ 2040>>
[22:41] <nats_laptop> ,140408,48.6496,4.3062,7471,8,-32T3.85,0*78DB
[22:41] <nats_laptop> $$B-43,174,224020,140408,48.+285,4.3367,7466,6,-32,3.86,0*86!8
[22:41] <nats_laptop> got a partial
[22:41] <amell> just got to find an austrian sim now.
[22:41] <DL7AD> amell: more city like or lanscape?
[22:41] <amell> landscape - caravan with mobile HAB aerial on roof. lol
[22:42] <DL7AD> amell: ALDItalk which uses E-Plus has a creppy coverage
[22:42] <amell> Ah. so alditalk no good.
[22:42] <DL7AD> amell: well.... it is but not at every places
[22:43] <amell> what network is lidl?
[22:43] <DL7AD> i think eplus too
[22:43] <amell> great& :)
[22:43] <DL7AD> most of them are using eplus
[22:43] <amell> t-mobile de is good coverage?
[22:44] <nats_laptop> I don't know if it's me or the ballon but I have B43 at 434.502 so about 500Hz drift
[22:44] <DL7AD> amell: congstar is using tmobile which is actually one of the best networks
[22:44] <amell> where do i get congstar sim?
[22:44] <DL7AD> hm..... i think netto is selling them
[22:44] <DL7AD> discounter
[22:45] <amell> congstar is ¬20 for 3GB for a month
[22:45] <amell> no that was a 2 year contract
[22:46] <DL7AD> amell: coverage for eplus: http://193.201.138.69/evinternet/
[22:47] <DL7AD> do you have coverage?
[22:47] <amell> 3G coverage is poor.
[22:47] <DL7AD> ^^ as i said
[22:48] <amell> thanks will ask wife to look at congstar. I dont understand the words
[22:49] <DL7AD> np :)
[22:53] <DL7AD> B-43s trajectory is like a ruler
[22:53] <DL7AD> nats_laptop: why is it so difficult to you to receive B-43?
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[22:54] <nats_laptop> much qrm on that band plus yagi and seeing my direction it's on the side lobe
[22:54] <nats_laptop> but that's weird I clearly see the beep and the contestia on the waterfall
[22:54] <nats_laptop> I don't know why it doesn't decode
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[22:55] <malclocke> how often do you folks launch things in Europe? seems like every time I look at the map there is something in the air.
[22:55] <nats_laptop> Before RSID: <<2014-04-08T22:51Z Contestia @ 2013>>
[22:55] <nats_laptop> O17X9091?)-^/5:X%("2KC%8--TSVXN8&T"$W_"P
[22:55] <nats_laptop> Before RSID: <<2014-04-08T22:54Z Contestia @ 2007>>
[22:55] <nats_laptop> ,140408,48.4576,4.576,7470,7_-32,3.84,0*981C
[22:55] <nats_laptop> $&B-433182,225426,140V0<,48J'362,4.6045
[22:55] <nats_laptop> maybe I should cut the preamp
[22:58] <DL7AD> nats_laptop: okay...
[22:58] <nats_laptop> again a partial
[22:59] <nats_laptop> again a partial?
[22:59] <nats_laptop> oups
[22:59] <nats_laptop> the fldigi detector can break the decoding of the beginning of the frame ?
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[23:04] <DL7AD> got my virtual audio cable ready: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tscpkjur98zzh8p/IMG_20140315_131946.jpg?m=
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[23:05] <DL7AD> nat bingo
[23:05] <DL7AD> nats_laptop: bingo
[23:05] <nats_laptop> yep :) but missed some other since
[23:05] <nats_laptop> oo much qrm
[23:05] <nats_laptop> I'm between too crappy digital product
[23:07] <Guest43480> Would it be possible for me to connect a coaxial wire to an hx1 without an SMA connector?
[23:07] <fsphil> yep
[23:07] <DL7AD> agree
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[23:12] <DL7AD> hi malgar
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[23:14] <amell> is there any point in me putting a 434 SAW filter in between antenna and sdr?
[23:14] <DL7AD> amell: yep....
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[23:15] <DL7AD> i got better results with it
[23:15] <amell> http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/198901/ICST/SF0434BA02507S.html
[23:15] <amell> do you have one? on protoboard?
[23:15] <DL7AD> amell: not me.... but i know one
[23:16] <DL7AD> https://kt5tk.wordpress.com/tag/mosquito/
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[23:16] <amell> oh the habamp - yeah, was after something similar but cheaper
[23:16] <amell> habamp too expensive
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[23:17] <gonzo_> just put a PGA 103+ ont a bit of board
[23:18] <gonzo_> but worth adding a SAW filter after the device
[23:18] <amell> 28 quid ?!?
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[23:19] <gonzo_> the basic PGA device is about 3quid.
[23:19] <gonzo_> sam G4DDK does them on a little board for about £12
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[23:19] <novusordo> fsphil: i'm still a bit confused about what to do with the binary file generated by ssdv. I've been trying to figure out a way to feed it into fldigi...
[23:19] <gonzo_> and find a SAW filter for a few quid
[23:20] <gonzo_> though by the tien yoiu have done all they, it's probably easier to get a habamp
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[23:21] <amell> http://www.g4ddk.com/PGA103amp.pdf
[23:22] <amell> his soldering is shit
[23:22] <DL7AD> amell: ^^
[23:22] <gonzo_> those are probably well hacked prototypes
[23:23] <amell> oh okay :)
[23:23] <gonzo_> I think the PGA comes as a kit, so you can do your own shit soldering
[23:23] <fsphil> novusordo: you need a working rtty transmitter first
[23:26] <novusordo> yeah, i haven't figured out how to actually go about transmitting the data contained in the file yet.
[23:32] <novusordo> previously I had a binary file encoded as sound (SSTV) that I could play over the audio-output, and I have a knowledge gap here on getting the SSDV file to that point
[23:33] <novusordo> or... if that's even how this works. haha
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[23:42] <amell> Geoff-G8DHE: Impressed you managed to track B43 all the way to Reims, is that a yagi you are using?
[23:43] <arko> http://imgur.com/a/u2v8N
[23:43] <arko> clever
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