highaltitude.log.20140404

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[07:00] <ibanezmatt13> You know in C for the crc checksum you have a for loop which you can change depending on how many '$' are at the start? The Python version is different but I'm not sure how i would modify this. Does anybody know where this happens?
[07:00] <ibanezmatt13> I mean there's this: csum = str(hex(crc16f(string))).upper()[2:]
[07:00] <ibanezmatt13> And I suspected that changing the end number 2 to a 4 would start the checksum after omitting 4 $s as opposed to 2, is this correct?
[07:01] <x-f> correct, but you could just add (prepend) $$'s after calculating the checksum
[07:02] <ibanezmatt13> x-f I've just this second realised that I was actually appending the $$ after the checksum, which is all fine. However, I'm wondering what that above line actually does to the datastring
[07:02] <fsphil> the python version assumes two $$'s
[07:02] <fsphil> which is fair enough as the bit that extracts the string is only looking for two
[07:02] <fsphil> so no more ever gets passed to it
[07:03] <fsphil> if you're talking about the habitat python code*
[07:03] <ibanezmatt13> My code :)
[07:03] <ibanezmatt13> https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/8841298#file-edited-py-L181-187
[07:04] <ibanezmatt13> You can see, the string I run the checksum on has no preceeding 2 $'s, I only append afterwards. Just curious as to how this works compared to the C version
[07:04] <fsphil> ah. yea string[2:] returns everything in string from the third character on
[07:05] <ibanezmatt13> So I really should make that [0:] or add two $$'s before it checks?
[07:05] <fsphil> '012345'[2:] = '2345'
[07:05] <fsphil> "012345"[2:] = '2345'
[07:05] <fsphil> er
[07:05] <fsphil> ignore one of those
[07:05] <fsphil> just take out the [] bit
[07:05] <fsphil> [0:] doesn't do anything
[07:05] <ibanezmatt13> Ah yeah, makes sense
[07:06] <ibanezmatt13> I shall take it out
[07:06] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks :)
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[08:09] <DL7AD> morning
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[08:45] <sp2ipt> DL7AD: morning
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[09:15] <DL7AD> hi sp2ipt
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[10:24] <DL7AD> https://twitter.com/apexhab/status/158295758393716736/photo/1
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[10:38] <sp2ipt> yay, great... well sort of, like about the level of primary school :)
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[11:20] <eroomde> that's the best level
[11:20] <eroomde> old upper end of primary school are a good age group for science demos, i think
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[11:27] <Laurenceb__> http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/turd.jpg?w=580&h=344
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[11:30] <SteveF2> i cannot seem to decode or get defined lines within theransmission, any ideas? http://imgur.com/9Pg23Zb
[11:32] <daveake> Yes
[11:33] <daveake> The gap between the 2 lines from the transmitter is less than the gap between the 2 red cursor lines in dl-fldigi
[11:33] <daveake> Your actual gap is about 300Hz but you've got dl-fldigi set to 425
[11:34] <fsphil> otherwise that signal looks fine
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[11:39] <sp2ipt> fsphil: it looks fine? It looks _badly_ modulated
[11:40] <sp2ipt> fsphil: maybe the receiver is overblown but rtty signal should have two signals and not two signals plus loads of IMD stuff
[11:41] <fsphil> it's being modulated with a square wave
[11:41] <mikestir> sp2ipt: not true - it's fsk
[11:41] <sp2ipt> sure it's FSK but it's possible to do it without generating that mess
[11:41] <mikestir> and as fsphil says, it's modulated with a square wave so of course it has extra content at multiples of the baud rate
[11:41] <sp2ipt> look at HAM software for RTTY - that's an auwful signal
[11:42] <sp2ipt> it's a pure waste of transmitter power
[11:42] <Darkside> sp2ipt: yes, its not brilliany, but is th ebst you can gt from thse transmitters
[11:43] <Darkside> ugh, typo city
[11:43] <sp2ipt> Darkside: ok I can understand that :) IMHO that should be the first thing to improve
[11:43] <fsphil> I'll fly my ft817 next time :)
[11:43] <adamgreig> that should be improved before telling the demod software what the spacing is? :P
[11:48] <eroomde> i don't think you can note waste the transmitter power
[11:49] <eroomde> for that transmitter and a given symbol rate
[11:49] <eroomde> the only change you could make would reduce bandwidth
[11:49] <eroomde> but not get more gang for your buck for a given power
[11:49] <eroomde> of course reducing bandwidth is a gentlemanly thing to do in and of itself
[11:51] <SteveF2> ive tried 300, 350 and 425, i wondered if it could be the NTX2 that has gone duff
[11:52] <SteveF2> sorry what i ommited was I am using the arduino source code from the UKHAS site (the RTTY TEST), and I hope my receiver isnt blown its an FT857 lol
[11:52] <adamgreig> the receiver looks fine
[11:52] <adamgreig> you might need to press Rv on the bottom right
[11:52] <eroomde> no, daveake gave you the right answer up top
[11:52] <adamgreig> (or swap the FT857 between USB and LSB)
[11:53] <eroomde> oh sorry i misread
[11:53] <eroomde> yes, what adamgreig said
[11:53] <eroomde> if that's not working, include a screenshot of the decoded output
[11:54] <SteveF2> eroomde
[11:54] <adamgreig> oh eroomde, i'm gonna try n restart my bladerf radar project, ordered two 2.4GHz 16dBi yagis to see if they improve on the pringles cans ;)
[11:54] <adamgreig> I believe the bladerf has the timing metadata available now too
[11:54] <SteveF2> the decoded output is pure junk
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[11:55] <adamgreig> hopefully after the fpga workshop I can just do the work on the fpga too
[11:55] <SteveF2> im going to build another transmitter now and see if i get ny different results
[11:55] <adamgreig> SteveF2: uhm, I wouldn't bother, it's probably fine
[11:55] <sp2ipt> sry, had a phonecall :)
[11:55] <eroomde> SteveF2: wait
[11:55] <eroomde> please
[11:55] <adamgreig> just make sure the red lines on dl-fldigi overlay the big yellow bars in the waterfall and then try toggling Rv on/off
[11:55] <SteveF2> ok
[11:56] <eroomde> please don't jump to conclusions before trying stuff in a systematic way
[11:56] <eroomde> have you tried what adamgreig has said
[11:56] <SteveF2> ok i'll give it a go (but thought i had tried that)
[11:56] <eroomde> so a checklist:
[11:56] <sp2ipt> eroomde: yep, this signal should have less bandwidth
[11:56] <eroomde> 1) the red lines overlap the signal
[11:56] <SteveF2> yes, nothing on LSB at all, only USB and DIG
[11:56] <adamgreig> uhm
[11:57] <eroomde> 2) if that decodes garbage characters, hit 'Rv' in the bottom right corner of fldigi
[11:57] <eroomde> don't worry about lsb/usb yet
[11:57] <SteveF2> will do
[11:57] <sp2ipt> receiving SP3OSJ with the same poor signal 400km away was impossible yest still I could see the signal clearly with my eyes
[11:57] <eroomde> are you transmitting the test code from the wiki?
[11:57] <adamgreig> sp2ipt: could you decode the 50bd signal clearly with your eye?
[11:58] <sp2ipt> that is _not_ the way things should be
[11:58] <adamgreig> being able to see two sidetones on screen doesn't mean there's enough signal to decode at some baud rate
[11:58] <adamgreig> if I toggled my NTX2 at 1MHz you'd still see two tones on the screen (and a shedload of intermod, granted) but that doesn't mean it's decodable
[11:58] <mikestir> sp2ipt: having all those extra sidebands would make the signal _easier_ to decode because of reduced intersymbol interference
[11:58] <sp2ipt> adamgreig: the signal was getting decoded in say 80% but not a single frame complete
[11:59] <adamgreig> sp2ipt: maybe you need a better antenna ;)
[11:59] <sp2ipt> mikestir: yeah right, AFAIK I achieved one of the largest disntances in receiving ;)
[12:00] <sp2ipt> s/mi/ad
[12:00] <eroomde> what distance was that?
[12:00] <sp2ipt> eroomde: abt 400km
[12:00] <fsphil> the record on the wiki is 800km
[12:00] <mikestir> lol
[12:00] <SteveF2> adamgreig the RV sorted it (whats RV for)
[12:00] <eroomde> yeah
[12:00] <eroomde> 400km is perfectly routine
[12:00] <fsphil> I've done 700km myself :)
[12:00] <eroomde> SteveF2: Rv is swapping from LSB to USB
[12:00] <eroomde> the reason it didn't work when you did it on your radio is because you'd have had to rtune
[12:00] <sp2ipt> eroomde: using vertical omni antenna while other were using beams on rotators :)
[12:01] <fsphil> 700km on an omni too :)
[12:01] <eroomde> when i said 400km was quite routine, it wasn't with qualifications
[12:01] <SteveF2> ok, thanks for that
[12:01] <sp2ipt> eroomde: sry I save my rot for \horizotntals :)
[12:01] <eroomde> trust me, i've done this plenty of times before
[12:02] <fsphil> the 300 baud ranges are not much less
[12:02] <eroomde> SteveF2: it's the standard problem
[12:02] <eroomde> which is why i was asking you to not write off your hardware yet
[12:02] <eroomde> eg
[12:02] <eroomde> look at malgar at 15:06 in this log
[12:02] <eroomde> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20140304.html
[12:03] <fsphil> one confusing thing, fldigi's RTTY (the radio mode, not the data mode) assumes LSB
[12:03] <fsphil> that used to get me all the time
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[12:03] <SteveF2> ol
[12:03] <SteveF2> lol even
[12:04] <SteveF2> bit annoying because I think i might have just butchered a perfectly working transmitter
[12:04] <eroomde> so you're not the first, and won't be the last - it's a silly thing that trips everyone
[12:04] <eroomde> :)
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[12:04] <SteveF2> ok, now to try and interface a ublox
[12:04] <fsphil> we need a differential rtty mode :)
[12:04] <eroomde> i've pretty much found that with this style of embedded work, it's almost certainly a software problem
[12:05] <eroomde> and only once you've really methodically checked and tested your setup with minimal examples should you start looking at hardware problems
[12:05] <mfa298> does the wiki mention things like setting the radio modulation type to USB not RTTY and/or pressing the Rv button.
[12:05] <eroomde> dunno
[12:05] <mfa298> i.e. is there an improvement we can make or is the failure with those reading it.
[12:05] <eroomde> maybe we should programme zuesbot
[12:05] <eroomde> !decodeFAQ
[12:06] <eroomde> to which he could say 'hit Rv'
[12:06] Action: mfa298 realises he might have just volunteered to check the wiki (and update as required)
[12:06] <eroomde> yes
[12:06] <eroomde> i think you just did
[12:06] <eroomde> :)
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[12:09] <DeltaEcho> What is TX power for typical payload in relations with RS92-SGP TX power?
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[12:09] <fsphil> what power does an RS92-SGP have?
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[12:10] <eroomde> i think it's 60-100mW if memory servers
[12:10] <x-f> 60 mW iirc
[12:10] <eroomde> so about 6-10x our power (10mW)
[12:10] <DeltaEcho> That is, if I can decode RS92 packets 250 km away, what to expect with RTTY in typical flight?
[12:10] <fsphil> "200 mW,typical"
[12:10] <eroomde> line of sight really
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[12:11] <eroomde> so 700km is not unusual
[12:11] <fsphil> oh the 200mw is the new ones on 1.6ghz
[12:11] <sp2ipt> sure it's not unusual - I don't claim any record
[12:11] <fsphil> 2400 bit/s
[12:11] <fsphil> that's nice
[12:12] <sp2ipt> the fact is just that I saw a signal which should be easily decodable but wasn't
[12:12] <fsphil> no reason we shouldn't be doing that speed
[12:12] <eroomde> sp2ipt: i'm talking to someone else
[12:12] <eroomde> 12:10 < DeltaEcho> That is, if I can decode RS92 packets 250 km away, what to expect with RTTY in typical flight?
[12:12] <eroomde> ^
[12:12] <sp2ipt> eroomde: sry ;)
[12:13] <eroomde> it's basically line of sight from 30-40km
[12:13] <eroomde> modulo good atmospherics and all the usual qualifiers
[12:13] <eroomde> we're *nowhere near* using our theoretical channel capacity
[12:13] <eroomde> with 50 bud rtty
[12:14] <eroomde> i worked it out as, assuming a dipole at each end, 100km apart, ham radio receiver, and 5db of connector losses, that we should be able to reliably communicated a rate of about 13kbps
[12:15] <adamgreig> what bandwidth were you using ooi?
[12:15] <eroomde> 3khz
[12:15] <eroomde> ssb ham receiver
[12:15] <adamgreig> was that power or bandwidth constrained?
[12:15] <eroomde> well possibly 2.4 actually give give some breathing room
[12:15] <adamgreig> yea 2.4 seems more reasonable
[12:16] <adamgreig> the lpf on my ic7k is around that by default or something I think
[12:16] <eroomde> easy to change on the ic7000, which is nice
[12:16] <adamgreig> true
[12:16] <adamgreig> both ways of parsing your sentence are true
[12:16] <adamgreig> I should really use mine more. well. maybe.
[12:16] <adamgreig> wish it could be used as an SDR too
[12:16] <eroomde> we're bandwidth constrained
[12:17] <adamgreig> any idea at what point it becomes power constrained?
[12:17] <eroomde> yeah, the 10.7Mhz IF stage and down is all digital right?
[12:17] <eroomde> which would make it a pretty handy sdr
[12:17] <eroomde> i didn't work it out
[12:18] <adamgreig> yea, it'd be really great if it could do sdr there
[12:18] <adamgreig> you'd have a lovely, reasonably high bandwidth, 100W PA, all band SDR
[12:18] <adamgreig> be great for digimodes using more than 3kHz
[12:18] <adamgreig> oh well
[12:18] <adamgreig> hope to get my hackRF soon
[12:18] <adamgreig> which should remove technical bandwidth constraints :P
[12:20] <eroomde> with the flgith rate atm i don't think it'll be long before we shift to some spread spectrum mode
[12:20] <eroomde> so we can fly 30 payloads on the same carrier
[12:20] <adamgreig> that'l be interesting
[12:20] <adamgreig> hard to usefully with the ntx2 though?
[12:20] <adamgreig> maybe FHSS with the new FA ones
[12:21] <adamgreig> dunno how fast they can retune
[12:21] <eroomde> imposs with an ntx2 i think
[12:21] <eroomde> not least as i'd probably want to do it as bpsk
[12:21] <adamgreig> finding 70cm ISM BPSK transmitters proved somewhat challenging last I looked
[12:21] <eroomde> just a PLL and a fast inverter switch
[12:22] <eroomde> with no pulse shaping to keep sp2ipt happy
[12:22] <adamgreig> yea I guess if you make that part yourself it's somewhat more doable
[12:22] <mattbrejza> msk :)
[12:24] <adamgreig> msk ends up having a constellation of sorts doesn't it?
[12:24] <adamgreig> but it can only transition to one other point from a point or something silly
[12:24] <mattbrejza> yea
[12:24] <SteveF2> FACT a dremell is better than a solder sucker
[12:24] <mattbrejza> its in a way bpsk but with a fsk modem and a bit more bw
[12:25] <adamgreig> yea
[12:25] <adamgreig> I was looking at trying to do that a little while back but the constraint on the constellation kinda ruins a lot of the bpsk fun
[12:25] <adamgreig> iirc
[12:25] <eroomde> dremells are the devil's tool
[12:25] <SteveF2> i gotr frustrated trying to remove the ublox
[12:26] <mattbrejza> poor ublox
[12:28] <Laurenceb__> there is one way to do BPSK
[12:28] <adamgreig> oh?
[12:28] <Laurenceb__> use CW with a balun and rf switch
[12:29] <mattbrejza> lol
[12:29] <adamgreig> well you might as well do what eroomde suggests and a PLL and an inverter switch
[12:29] <Laurenceb__> but MFSK is optimal for HAB
[12:29] <eroomde> aye
[12:29] <adamgreig> is it
[12:29] <adamgreig> 2fsk or..?
[12:29] <Laurenceb__> no
[12:29] <mattbrejza> with dongle though
[12:29] <eroomde> as large an M as possible
[12:29] <Laurenceb__> needs at least 4fsk i think
[12:30] <Laurenceb__> 2fsk underperforms relative to bpsk
[12:30] <Laurenceb__> when power limited
[12:30] <Laurenceb__> phase coherent fsk gives you a couple of dB more
[12:31] <eroomde> MFSK always beats MPSK for constrained power
[12:31] <eroomde> vice versa for constrained bandwidth
[12:31] <Laurenceb__> and also lets you do bit sync easily
[12:31] <mattbrejza> i would say with 2.5kHz youre BW limited, full ISM band power
[12:31] <mattbrejza> limited
[12:31] <Laurenceb__> we dont have 2.5kbps to send
[12:31] <adamgreig> eroomde: what about QAM?
[12:32] <Laurenceb__> thats just even "worse" psk
[12:32] <mattbrejza> find the Eb/No vs BER plots
[12:32] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[12:36] <eroomde> qam is also for bw constraints
[12:37] <Laurenceb__> psk is just a subset of QAM
[12:39] <eroomde> constant amplitude qam
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[12:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do we have a frequency fo the Keny Uni. launch its listed as 434 but I susect that might be the band rather than 434.000MHz ?
[12:57] <amell_> do i need to wrap coax round the mast just under the feed point of the X50? I keep reading that im supposed to do that to provide a choke
[12:58] <gonzo___> it shoudl not need a choke
[12:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Where are you reading that ? Normally it would be built in to a commerical aerial
[12:59] <fsphil> is it a proper Diamond X50?
[12:59] <amell_> its a chinese copy
[12:59] <gonzo___> amateur readsay and wive's take
[12:59] <amell_> looks like an X50, almost identical
[12:59] <gonzo___> tales
[12:59] <fsphil> it'll be fine without most likely
[13:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Umm, it won't do any harm to add one
[13:00] <fsphil> I don't think it would have much effect at 434mhz?
[13:00] <gonzo___> just running the cable along the mast would borbably be enough of an effect at 70cm
[13:00] <amell_> but at 1Ghz?
[13:01] <gonzo___> wgt 1ghz?
[13:01] <amell_> AIS etc
[13:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> You won't be using it at 1GHz its 2m/70cms
[13:02] <amell_> Sure, but it should still pick up ADS-B etc?
[13:02] <Darkside> not very well
[13:02] <gonzo___> ais is 160MHz
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed it will be like a piece of wire hanging outside
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[13:02] <amell_> which tbh is probably fine for ADS-B
[13:02] <fsphil> the actual diamond has a band pass filter, it doesn't receive much beyond 70-600mhz
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[13:05] <amell_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/X-50-N-X-50-X50-DUAL-BAND-COLLINEAR-ANTENNA-AERIAL-144-440-/131125172090?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Radio_Antennas&hash=item1e87ab577a
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[13:07] <amell_> ok. so the answer is no, dont put five turns of coax round the mast.
[13:07] <amell_> (in the absence of any evidence to the contrary)
[13:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Never seen that done at all!
[13:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Video stream is running for UKC_WTM5
[13:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ukc-wtm5
[13:12] <amell_> complete with feminine hygiene adverts.
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Interesting they don't have a filler for the balloon so how will they know the lift ?
[13:14] <amell_> i cant watch this....
[13:15] <amell_> hell let go or something
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh dear this could be a fail
[13:16] <amell_> will it clear the wall when they let go?
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is very little wind at present so a chance
[13:17] <amell_> nice builders bum
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[13:18] <DL7AD> is there already a date for the ukhas conference in 2014?
[13:18] <amell_> did you see how they attached the payload?
[13:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes it clasahes with BATC at preent
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> haven't seen the payload only the Parachute
[13:19] <mikestir> where are they launching from?
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its on SNUS
[13:19] <amell_> im a bit concerned about the string connection to balloon, didnt see any tie wraps being used.
[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its the Uni gori=unds
[13:20] <gonzo___> did we get a freq for this launch?
[13:20] <mikestir> I only see TWICK ON snus
[13:21] <amell_> its 434 apparently.
[13:21] <amell_> whatever that is
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> its says 434MHz but I suspect that's the band ?
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its UKC_WTM5
[13:21] <amell_> Heres the big question, does it have enough lift?
[13:22] <amell_> oh.
[13:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing on the laogtail either so are they actually getting telemtery ?
[13:22] <gonzo___> suppose I'll have to scsan for it whe I see them let go
[13:24] <mikestir> I can see the line getting snagged on all that air con plant
[13:24] <amell_> that knob needs to get out the way
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[13:26] <amell_> wow.
[13:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hum the place on SNUS is from the 2nd I now notice not today!
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[13:27] <mfa298> reading the FB page I don;t think they;re expecting it to go that high so maybe they're just using gsm
[13:27] <amell_> news headline tomorrow - UKC student goes flying off roof accidentally attached to balloon.
[13:28] <mikestir> Geoff-G8DHE: it's not even there anymore if you do a refresh
[13:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes its been cleared again
[13:28] <gonzo___> please tell me they are not going to throw the payload off from the roof?
[13:29] <mikestir> rtty
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah that sound like fast telelmetry as well ?
[13:29] <mikestir> sounded like distorted 50 baud to me
[13:30] <amell_> bloody hell.
[13:30] <amell_> that went up so fast i missed it
[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> That had a lot of lift!
[13:30] <mikestir> oh dear. if they've lost it already with a 7 ele yagi then they've got problems
[13:31] <amell_> not even on SNUS - who is tracking?
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah no one!
[13:32] <amell_> brilliant
[13:32] <mikestir> they'd probably do better if he let go of the dipole and remove the coax draped over the directors
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[13:33] <gonzo___> they are running through thev CH not-to-do list
[13:34] <mikestir> anyone heard it yet?
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope
[13:35] <amell_> with that amount of lift, its probably already burst and come down
[13:35] <mfa298> can hear odd bits on the stream occasionally
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Im seeing some data on 434.126 looks like RTTY
[13:36] <mattbrejza> wrong polersiation guys...
[13:36] <amell_> can you get it in snus?
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not decoding showing a lot of zerroes
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> }mP^vvzCWc,00+F21<}soB=}n+/^UI#F0:0P_x,P00"0,0.00 0,000 0:PR$"UGPX z:0Jpa00p0pp*52'}{_6qWT;
[13:37] <amell_> is that with your yagi?
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes seen the cxallsign
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Time field is zero's so no GPS
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$UKC_WTM70x074,0:00:00,0x004`~~Xz~g6?d:p[~wsZ_,>ZvKcjeKC'00:00&X00 A0
[13:37] <amell_> so they launched without a lock?
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> look slike it
[13:38] <amell_> wow. so its lost.
[13:38] <mikestir> well it might get a lock
[13:38] <amell_> unless it has GSM in it
[13:38] <mikestir> isn't it going in the sea anyway?
[13:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks like
[13:39] <amell_> great launch :)
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Too many unhelpful spectctators
[13:39] <mattbrejza> the turning off of the stream says it all really
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> the whole datastream is 0's
[13:39] <mikestir> even the crc?
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> No it has a CRC
[13:40] <amell_> all that effort.
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah the frame number is present 87
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[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> :$$UKC_WTM5$00089$00:00:00,0.000000,0.000000,00000*C1FA
[13:41] <amell_> any idea of altitude?
[13:42] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, ping
[13:42] <Reb-SM3ULC> Geoff-G8DHE: stream online?
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its not now
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> the freq 434.126
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> ThomasUKC has also appeared on SNUS
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> lot of QSB on the signal
[13:44] <amell_> not on mine?
[13:44] <Reb-SM3ULC> Geoff-G8DHE: trying to watch from commuter-train outside stockholm :)
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> :-)
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> by VNC I hope ?
[13:44] <gonzo___> nothing in Poole. And that is a clear direction for me
[13:44] <Reb-SM3ULC> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ukc-wtm5 ?
[13:45] <mfa298> it should probably be at burst point around now based on https://www.facebook.com/highaltitudeballoon/photos/a.188414864634756.50784.124876404321936/390088787800695/?type=1&theater
[13:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Are something appearing in time field now
[13:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$UKC_WTM5,00110,00:40:08,0W000000,0.000000,00000*9BF9
[13:47] <adamgreig> a convincing time
[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Given it strength here I thiunk thry have more than one problem!
[13:47] <amell_> weak signal?
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> No very string but rapid fading
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> strong
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> there is a big null in the aerial somewhere
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/UKC_WTM5_20140404/
[13:49] <amell_> They put box flat on floor do you remember, i wonder if the wire out the bottom of the box is missing.
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> They did indeed!
[13:50] <gonzo___> or bent up
[13:52] <gonzo___> grant total of zero signals here. Will pack up
[13:52] <gonzo___> at least we will have some top rate payloads this eve
[13:53] <gonzo___> shame it's so far away from me, it should be a clear sky tomingt
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[13:53] <gonzo___> tonight
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[14:14] <Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2014/04/04/sql-injection-fools-speed-traps-and-clears-your-record/
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[14:45] <ibanezmatt13> I'm having that problem on the Pi where when you try to run something in python, something's up with the encoding and it can't run, but I remember there being a software to download which converted it from this format to the right one. I can't remember it :/
[14:45] <eroomde> is it a python file written in windows?
[14:45] <ibanezmatt13> yes
[14:45] <eroomde> $ dos2unix yourfile.py
[14:45] <ibanezmatt13> that's it!
[14:46] <eroomde> it's just the line endings
[14:46] <ibanezmatt13> dos2unix, couldn't remember it
[14:46] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, thanks
[14:47] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde: SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc2' in file test.py on line 2, but no encoding declared; even after running dos2unix
[14:48] <eroomde> pastie
[14:48] <eroomde> also i think the time is about right in your life to be introduced to vim
[14:48] <eroomde> this moment is somewhat like when obie-wan introduced luke to his lightsabre
[14:48] <ibanezmatt13> ok, I'm on a PI :p
[14:49] <ibanezmatt13> http://pastie.org/8994259
[14:49] <mfa298> vim works nicely on a pi :)
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[14:51] <ibanezmatt13> I'm running it like "sudo python test.py", not as executable
[14:52] <eroomde> dunno what that error is about
[14:52] <ibanezmatt13> if that's an issue
[14:52] <ibanezmatt13> me neither
[14:52] <eroomde> are you running your pi in graphical mode?
[14:52] <ibanezmatt13> yes
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[14:52] <eroomde> ok
[14:52] <eroomde> open it in gedit or something and see if you can see anything funny
[14:53] <ibanezmatt13> I opened it with nano in terminal and looks fine
[14:53] <eroomde> maybe rewrite a couple of the lines about which it's complaining
[14:53] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[14:53] <mikestir> what if you just ctrl-k the second line in nano?
[14:53] <mikestir> since it's apparently an empty line anyway
[14:54] <ibanezmatt13> ok, it fails on the second line
[14:54] <ibanezmatt13> it's the flaming encoding thing, always the same
[14:54] <eroomde> ok
[14:55] <eroomde> well
[14:55] <eroomde> open it in vim
[14:55] <eroomde> see if you get any funny characters at the ends of the lines
[14:55] <eroomde> eg
[14:55] <eroomde> ^M
[14:55] <eroomde> but not necessarily that
[14:55] <ibanezmatt13> ok, so I had to use vi, vim didn't exist for me. Same thing?
[14:55] <eroomde> don't panic if you get yourself stuck
[14:55] <eroomde> close enough
[14:55] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[14:55] <eroomde> for our purposes here
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[14:56] <ibanezmatt13> no strange characters
[14:56] <eroomde> ok
[14:56] <eroomde> quit vim
[14:56] <eroomde> (shift ZZ)
[14:57] <ibanezmatt13> done
[14:57] <eroomde> try again and remind me what the error was
[14:57] <eroomde> try again to run it*
[14:57] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc2' in file test.py on line 15, but no encoding declared
[14:58] <tweetBot> @AnthonyStirk: Got Hydrogen ? #ukhas http://t.co/8PoiUO7ToK
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> sudo python test.py
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> line 15
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> strange, I did dos2unix before this and it usually works
[14:59] <ibanezmatt13> I could try chmond
[14:59] <adamgreig> what's on line 15?
[14:59] <adamgreig> sounds like there's some funny character it's not expecting
[15:00] <ibanezmatt13> nothing on line 15 out of the ordinary, in fact, it's a blank line
[15:00] <ibanezmatt13> though it came up saying there existed a swap file or something, just done that for the first time
[15:00] <eroomde> rm *.swp
[15:00] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[15:00] <eroomde> that's just vim's temporary backups
[15:01] <ibanezmatt13> didn't work, no such file. Strange
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[15:01] <eroomde> i probably misremmebered a tilda or something
[15:01] <eroomde> nvm for now
[15:01] <mfa298> if you're still in vi if you go to the blank lines and press 'D' (Capital D) that will delete to the end of line which might then remove whatever dodgy char it doesn't like
[15:02] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[15:02] <ibanezmatt13> no luck
[15:03] <mikestir> 0xc2 0xa0 is apparently utf-8 for "non breaking space". Did you edit this in word or something? :p
[15:03] <ibanezmatt13> I wrote it on GIthub's text editor
[15:03] <ibanezmatt13> but it has never been an issue :P
[15:04] <ibanezmatt13> I could rewrite, *everything* of which there is a lot
[15:05] <mfa298> if you want a slightly nicer version of vim on your pi you could try installing 'vim' to get the full console version and/or 'vim-gtk' which should give you a gui version (so you don't need to remember all the commands that are available)
[15:05] <eroomde> does github's text editor have some kind of sane export option?
[15:05] <ibanezmatt13> you can view source
[15:05] <ibanezmatt13> might try that mfa298
[15:06] <eroomde> once you have vim, try vimtutor
[15:06] <mfa298> if you want to get used to vim you can also download gvim for windows
[15:06] <eroomde> which should come with
[15:06] <eroomde> vimtutor will teach you vim
[15:06] <ibanezmatt13> oh cool
[15:08] <mfa298> just be careful if you're forced to go back to something like word. You'll end up having :w and :wq all through your documents!
[15:08] <WillDuckworth> ^ second that
[15:08] <ibanezmatt13> working :)
[15:09] <ibanezmatt13> I got the raw from githun instead of just copying the page
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[15:09] <g0pai_ian> I was about to suggest looking at your code file with the following: head -17 YOURFILENAME | tail -4 | od -a | grep nl
[15:10] <g0pai_ian> You might like to note that for another time. It will allow you to slice a sample and have a gander, highlighting the nl characters if any . . .
[15:10] <mfa298> there's probably a nice sed option that would replace that head -17|tail -4
[15:11] <g0pai_ian> I know, but my sed is very rusty.
[15:11] <mfa298> I'd probably have to google for it
[15:11] <g0pai_ian> I have to confess to running it on a file of mine to check that I wasn't talking BS
[15:12] <mfa298> I've not seen od before - I shall have to remember that one.
[15:13] <g0pai_ian> Octal dump. It has a lot of useful (and not so useful) flags for slightly and not so slightly different representations
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[15:13] <g0pai_ian> Scope limited input to it, so it doesn't spam you excessively with it's output, it's very useful
[15:15] <mfa298> I've wanted something that could do that a few times - should have known there would be a tool for it.
[15:15] <g0pai_ian> I found out many years ago that Unix had a nasty habit of translating files into what it thought was a suitable output. Obviously screen, printer and truth were three different things. So OD lets you get to the root of the matter.
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[15:19] <eroomde> i like od
[15:19] <eroomde> graphical, ew, bit i love ghex
[15:19] <eroomde> but*
[15:20] <eroomde> if i ever did a microcontroller course, it's start with getting an led to blink just with ghex
[15:22] <g0pai_ian> I like shuf, but not for sourcecode . . . :-)
[15:22] <mfa298> using an editor to blink an led. when I did something similar on my degree we had to read the instructions from a paper manual, convert the binary into hex and type that into the system.
[15:22] <mfa298> luckily we didn't have to do anything much more complicated than blink
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[15:23] <g0pai_ian> Degree in Keyboard Skills ? :)
[15:23] <eroomde> mfa298: that was out micros course too
[15:23] <eroomde> pencil and peper, then hex into a numberpad
[15:23] <eroomde> our*
[15:23] <eroomde> on a 6800
[15:23] <fsphil> we never did that. sounds like fun
[15:23] <eroomde> they changed it a couple of years later, annoyingkly
[15:23] <eroomde> but we had to do all sorts with it
[15:24] <eroomde> a sine-wave DDS from a lookup table, a pwm shower water temperature heater, and some other stuff
[15:24] <eroomde> character-building?
[15:24] <mfa298> I think we had a serial console to do it over onto a board based on a sparc processor
[15:24] <eroomde> I actually think i preferred it to higher level languages
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[15:24] <eroomde> no ambiguity about anything
[15:24] <fsphil> ghex is cool, didn't know about that one. I'd always used hexedit
[15:24] <mikestir> the shower water heater must have been easy. showers can only do "ice cold" and "hotter than the sun"
[15:25] <g0pai_ian> Lol . . .
[15:25] <eroomde> doesn't scale well though, once you get caches and so on in the coretex cores
[15:25] <eroomde> much harder to reason about execution times
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[15:25] <fsphil> a very slow processor with lots of LEDs would be cool for teaching
[15:25] <g0pai_ian> Eroomde: You have mentioned a couple of times that the RV switch on dl-fldigi switches from LSB to USB or vice versa. Once earlier today and a citation in a zeusbot log from yesterday. Not quite correct.
[15:26] <fsphil> have it visually show all the registers
[15:26] <g0pai_ian> Pattern recognition blindness. I would have to look at the LEDs so many times for the penny to drop fully
[15:27] <mikestir> just displaying the address bus on a row of LEDs can be a good debugging technique
[15:27] <eroomde> g0pai_ian: yes i know, it just inverts the direction for decoding
[15:27] <eroomde> but i'm keeping it simple
[15:27] <mikestir> it's very obvious if something is stuck in a loop
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[15:27] <eroomde> it 'solves' the issue of being on the wrong side-band for a class of digital modes
[15:28] <eroomde> if you prefer
[15:28] <fsphil> as far as fldigi is concerned, Rv does switch the modem from usb/lsb
[15:28] <g0pai_ian> It only reverses the tones not the side band
[15:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Agree
[15:29] <fsphil> from the modems point of view, that's the same
[15:29] <eroomde> i'm guessing ian's point is that it just reverses the tones, but is still looking at the same offset from the carrier freq
[15:29] <eroomde> ah too slow
[15:29] <eroomde> he just said that
[15:29] <g0pai_ian> Thnx Geoff: I believe that you have an Icom IC7000, so you will know that when you switch from USB to LSB, your band pass filter is looking on the other side of the carrier 3kHz down!
[15:29] <g0pai_ian> You would need to tune up 3kHz to reliably see the tone pairs suitably centred in you BPF.
[15:29] <eroomde> i did actually say earlier (if you re-read) that SteveF2 lost the saignal when he switched L/U on his radio because he didn't retune
[15:30] <eroomde> whereas changing it by hitting Rv on fldigi would solve his problem without touching the receiver
[15:30] <g0pai_ian> Missed that bit Ed. But yes.
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[15:31] <g0pai_ian> The reason for fldigi coming up on LSB by default is historical I guess. The 10MHz convention had amateur radio ops using LSB below 10MHz. To do with Hetrodyne exciters and sideband inversion after mixing.
[15:32] <g0pai_ian> Professionals and Military never subscribed. USB or LSB across the board depending on the need.
[15:32] <adamgreig> depending on need?
[15:32] <g0pai_ian> What the frequency schedule said. Some Naval systems used ISB
[15:33] <g0pai_ian> I never used LSB in the RAF
[15:34] <eroomde> i presume the Navy did the opposite of the RAF
[15:35] <adamgreig> that way they can both be using the same frequency at the same time, right :P
[15:35] <g0pai_ian> No, but in my limited experience they had some more complicated (legacy?) signalling systems which probably predicated use of both
[15:35] <mikestir> I have a big old racal receiver with the ISB filter option in it - I thought that was ex-RAF, but maybe it wasn't
[15:36] <g0pai_ian> adamgrieg: ISB means you can put two lots of data onto the same carrier. I would love to be able to do it picture on one and voice/telemetry on the other sideband.
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[15:36] <adamgreig> g0pai_ian: right, I was joking that if the RAF was all USB and the Navy was all LSB, they could use the same carrier freq (with suitable spacing, of course)
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[15:37] <g0pai_ian> My first RAF receiver was the Racal RA17L, but never used it with a sideband box. The 1779 and similar were nice SSB receivers, but quite big
[15:38] <eroomde> i have some old racal test equipment
[15:38] <eroomde> it's all pretty good
[15:38] <mikestir> 1792 I've got
[15:38] <mikestir> cpu board is bust
[15:38] <mikestir> it'll be the tants again
[15:38] <mikestir> they fail annually
[15:39] <eroomde> 9916 and 9300 are on the shelf behind me
[15:39] <eroomde> tend to just use the HP stuff
[15:40] <g0pai_ian> I meant 1772 1792. They made a few with nixie tubes and they were anomalous displaying centre of BPF frequency instead of Fc
[15:40] <mikestir> the LCD are prone to failure in the 1792
[15:41] <g0pai_ian> The display also used to bobble a bit, but they were fairly early receivers.
[15:42] <g0pai_ian> 1772 etc, seem a lot quieter (free of internal noises) than a lot of Yaesu and Icom stuff, but the price tag is/was quite different too.
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[15:43] <mikestir> yeah I think they are probably more in the bracket filled by the likes of rohde and schwarz these days
[15:44] <g0pai_ian> I have no experience of test equipment - BC221 heterodyne wavemeter, many years ago :)
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[15:44] <g0pai_ian> *no great experience
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[15:45] <eroomde> i find test equipment a bit of a slippery slope
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[15:45] <eroomde> v slowly collecting some nice stuff
[15:45] <g0pai_ian> A very expensive slipper slope, but a necessary evil
[15:45] <mikestir> eroomde: you should be careful - I used to work with a guy that was addicted to test equipment. It damaged is house due to the weight
[15:45] <mikestir> s/is/his/
[15:45] <eroomde> well, having nice equipment whose capabilities ou understand is quite liberating
[15:46] <eroomde> you feel like you can make anything, after a while
[15:46] <eroomde> and be sure of your measurements
[15:46] <eroomde> when i was a student, a lot of the time i'd measure something, or make instrumentation, and have a strong suspicion that the numbers might be bullshit
[15:46] <eroomde> where bullshit has some numerical accuracy definition
[15:47] <eroomde> but not really knwoing either way
[15:47] <g0pai_ian> A lot must fall into the 10% understood or less bracket to be honest these days with the increasing capabilities that we tend to BELIEVE IN - bad news I guess
[15:47] <g0pai_ian> Nice to be sure though
[15:48] <eroomde> i need to be sure
[15:48] <eroomde> i want to be able to give a confident bound on my measurements
[15:48] <eroomde> as im often studying stuff that is of the same order as possible inaccuracies
[15:48] <eroomde> so i need to be able to attribute this percent here to either physics or measurement error
[15:48] <eroomde> etc
[15:49] <g0pai_ian> Saw once a poster with a retiring railway wheel tapper and a big pile of wheels behind him. they found that his hammer was cracked. It was in the Racal Lab
[15:49] <eroomde> :)
[15:50] <g0pai_ian> At great speed and/or great power, the minutae becomes increasingly important to life and limb. I couldn't believe the comments from those ESA guys at the rocket launch failure who said, what happened. Having just watched it hit the deck.
[15:51] <g0pai_ian> In a clip posted here yesterday.
[15:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha Kent are down who knows where!
[15:51] <g0pai_ian> I suppose that being half soaked was a qualification for getting an ESA job, but I don't believe that, Just an unfortunate unguarded moment after the big bang :)
[15:52] <eroomde> yes, that was quite amusing
[15:52] <g0pai_ian> Kent - to think that they solicited an audience to watch their performance . . . Hmmm.
[15:52] <eroomde> foookinell
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[15:53] <eroomde> still, having something like that crash land and blow up a few hundred meters away from you would be quite an emotional experience
[15:53] <eroomde> it's difficult to put into perspective just how loud those rocket engines are
[15:53] <eroomde> you don't so much hear them as just have your whole body, especially your chest cavity, resonate
[15:53] <g0pai_ian> It would have been a bit disorienting, but how many of them figured that it might have come their way instead of away from them . . . ?
[15:53] <eroomde> you have to keep your mouth open to let the pressure equalise
[15:54] <eroomde> well, i know that the russians are much less strict about exclusion zones
[15:54] <eroomde> lots of guests will unofficially be allowed to sneak in
[15:55] <eroomde> they just hide from the 4x4 that does a patrol 15 minutes before launch
[15:55] <g0pai_ian> A bit scary even before an unanticipated big bang. Oh it's crashed then many seconds later the world turns upside down. Less strict, I noticed :)
[15:55] <g0pai_ian> I like the idea of a very long lens on a very remote camera personally.
[15:56] <eroomde> yes i'm with you
[15:56] <eroomde> although i do like getting quite close to our test engines
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[15:57] <g0pai_ian> I think that suddenly I'm not with you Ed. I seem to relish avoiding the obviously life threatening things in life these days
[15:58] <eroomde> i'll worry about that when i'm the wrong side of 30
[15:58] <g0pai_ian> I never was particularly brave, but . . . I'm definitely the wrong side of 30
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[16:01] <eroomde> to quote Sikorsky (of the helicopters fame)
[16:01] <eroomde> "At that time [1909] the chief engineer was almost always the chief test pilot as well. That had the fortunate result of eliminating poor engineering early in aviation."
[16:01] <eroomde> i feel like if I design the engine, i should be ok to be closish to it when it's firing
[16:02] <g0pai_ian> Time for me to be AFK. Good luck to the launchers this evening. - - - I like the paradigm Ed, it does tend to err on the side of caution and double checking. A lesson that could have been taken onboard this morning!
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't think I'll see any Flashers tonight! http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=2d7a30a7c28805d924b807e6eae13df21a7a94c0
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[16:14] <Laurenceb__> you could go dogging for flashers
[16:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> What ever turns you on Laurenceb__ !
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[16:38] <eroomde> http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Hi-fi%20High%20Performance%20fuses%20at%20High%20End%20Cable.htm
[16:38] <arko> wow
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[16:43] <mikestir> hahaha
[16:43] <mikestir> Like a good power cable allow 50+ hours to bed in.
[16:43] <Student> Evening everyone
[16:45] <Student> Could someone help me with a one wire problem
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[16:48] <eroomde> Student: IRC etiquette is to not ask to ask
[16:48] <eroomde> but just ask the question
[16:48] <eroomde> and if someone can/wants to help, they will
[16:48] <eroomde> rather than trying to tie them into a contract to help you in advance :)
[16:48] <Student> aha ok :)
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[16:52] <Student> So i have a one wire issue with a slave (ds18b20) , if i ask data i can see the slave giving transmitting it to me on a logic analyzer but my Readbit code only gets 0's, readbit function http://pastebin.com/vLCmvs5L
[16:55] <eroomde> I don't speak PIC
[16:55] <eroomde> but often you have to tell the port that it needs to be an input
[16:55] <Student> i did that
[16:55] <eroomde> whereas it looks like you're using it as an ouput there
[16:55] <eroomde> and telling it to ouput 0
[16:55] <Student> yes but i switch it back to input
[16:56] <Student> master needs to pull the bus low for the slave to know he can send his bit
[16:56] <eroomde> in the DS18B20_Input function?
[16:56] <Student> Yes that makes the pin back to input
[16:56] <eroomde> ah right
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[16:56] <eroomde> probably need to see that function then in your pastie
[16:57] <eroomde> as that, i presume, if the one doing the important bit
[16:58] <Student> Well it does TRISB |= 0b00001000;
[16:58] <eroomde> is there anything else connected to the other pins of PORTB?
[16:58] <eroomde> is that all it does?
[16:59] <Student> Yes
[16:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Won't it need a pull up as well ?
[16:59] <Student> there is a pull up resistor
[17:06] <tweetBot> @thecraag: Last minute additions to the POPEYE rpi camera payload for the @SUSpaceflight Launch tomorrow! #ukhas http://t.co/I5uEJpQNJ2
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[17:09] <fsphil> so how many flights have been ended early because of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIIzckUv2Mo :)
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[17:14] <S3R610> All, hi guys!
[17:14] <mattbrejza> craag: how you intending the string to go on that?
[17:18] <fsphil> and what's that hanging out the side?
[17:18] <craag> mattbrejza: It has a topside cradle, I can put an underside one on it as well
[17:18] <craag> fsphil: It's an attempt at shielding the ds18b20 from the sun
[17:18] <fsphil> ah
[17:19] <mattbrejza> craag: yea its gonna be in the middle of the string
[17:19] <craag> mattbrejza: k, I'll put it in
[17:20] <mattbrejza> hmm i have a temperature sensor to sheild too
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[17:27] <Laurenceb__> http://blueprintbasketball.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/There-is-an-I-in-TEAM.png
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[17:32] <Upu_M0UPU> evening
[17:35] <craag> Evening upu
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[17:36] <Upu_M0UPU> just sat watching the sun go down :)
[17:36] <Upu_M0UPU> very pretty here
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[17:55] <Upu_M0UPU> m0upu stream up on batc.tv
[17:58] <arko> Upu_M0UPU: http://batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[17:59] <arko> found the id in the source, cant get the select box to choose M0UPU but this should do for people who want a linky
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[18:06] <daveake1> More streaming http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=1194
[18:07] <arko> haha
[18:07] <arko> more cameras and we can get a bullet time of the launch
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[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:25] <LeoBodnar> at Baconur now
[18:26] <arko> casa de bacon?
[18:31] <Upu_M0UPU> ok filling
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:32] <x-f> morning
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> oh evening launch :) cool!
[18:32] <x-f> is it just for me or the stream is freezing?
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> sveiki x-f
[18:33] <x-f> hallo, LL :)
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:34] <arko> good thing batc.tv doesnt have smellovision
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[18:34] <arko> that latex balloon smell
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[18:38] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping (Urgent flag is set)
[18:38] <mikestir> so how big are these led beacons then?
[18:38] <Upu_M0UPU> i'll turn one on
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[18:39] <SteveF2> where is the ballon predicted to land
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[18:43] <arko> wow thats bright
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[18:49] <arko> looks like they are launch already?
[18:49] <amell> what happened? did it launch yet?
[18:50] <bertrik> someone is moving around with the balloon now, holding it by the neck, not launched yet
[18:50] <mikestir> they're walking into the field with the sharp grass
[18:50] <amell> it was supposed to launch 18.30
[18:50] <mikestir> utc
[18:50] <mikestir> we're on bst now remember
[18:50] <amell> lets hope that this goes better than the UKC one earlier :)
[18:51] <arko> launched
[18:51] <G6SUQ_Graham> what happened to the UKC one earlier, I missed it all ...
[18:52] <amell> G6SUQ_Graham: It was overfilled, disappeared upwards at great speed and there was no GPS lock.
[18:52] <amell> Presumably never to be seen again
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[18:53] <daveake1> wut?
[18:53] <bertrik> and it's up
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[18:55] <arko> can you guys see the blinking?
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[18:55] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah could but its above cloud now
[18:55] <Upu_M0UPU> filling w
[18:55] <Upu_M0UPU> 2
[18:55] <G4AIU-Eugene> Good evening all
[18:56] <Upu_M0UPU> ascent rate slower than expected
[18:56] <Upu_M0UPU> may float
[18:56] <Upu_M0UPU> enjoy
[18:56] <arko> nice, whats the estimated range of the blinky?
[18:56] <SteveF2> where is it heading?
[18:56] <arko> hope the clouds clear
[18:57] <junderwood> So what happened to Scully?
[18:57] <bertrik> the map shows a path to the north-east
[18:57] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[18:57] <arko> junderwood: they are flying two balloons if im not mistaken
[18:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> Ah
[18:57] <bertrik> scully shows up as stationary still
[18:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> Indeed. I thought they had forgotten it :)
[18:58] <arko> haha
[18:58] <arko> mulder always ees the aliens and scully is always late to the scene
[18:58] <mikestir> I like thor
[18:58] <Neil_M0CJM> 434.450?
[18:58] <arko> if they did this on purpose, i'll be happy
[18:59] <arko> Upu_M0UPU: daveake_M0RPI: did you guys?
[18:59] <mikestir> 434.450 yes
[18:59] <G6SUQ_Graham> any special settings in fldigi for THOR?
[18:59] <mikestir> just auto config and change the mode to thor16
[18:59] <mikestir> green
[18:59] <mikestir> below horizon
[18:59] <arko> thor is fantastic
[19:00] <bertrik> I wonder how sync works for thor on the receiver. Dominoex uses symbols which are a multiple of 4 bits long, thor seems completely variable in symbol length due to a different character coding
[19:01] <arko> fsphil would know
[19:01] <Upu_M0UPU> filling 2
[19:02] <arko> video stream of irc hah
[19:02] <Neil_M0CJM> How do i select thor in fl-digi?
[19:03] <arko> try autoconfigure
[19:03] <Neil_M0CJM> doing that at going to domEx16
[19:04] <arko> i dont have the interface up, but the drop down should have a mode settings
[19:04] <mikestir> op mode->thor->thor 16
[19:04] <Neil_M0CJM> col thanks
[19:04] <Neil_M0CJM> cool
[19:05] <G4AIU-Eugene> partial copy of Thor - red QTH J26 M5
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[19:05] <G4AIU-Eugene> First green line for MULDER
[19:06] <Neil_M0CJM> getting partial decodes in basingstoke
[19:06] <Neil_M0CJM> infact getting greens now
[19:07] <craag> Greens on the websdr
[19:07] <SteveF2> are the settings just thor16 or is anything else required
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[19:09] <eroomde> http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz1pukKd3M1r5zttro1_400.gif
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[19:09] <arko> lol
[19:10] <G6SUQ_Graham> Nice hairdo eroomde
[19:10] <eroomde> i'm trying it out
[19:10] <G6SUQ_Graham> who for?
[19:12] <eroomde> karl lagerfeld
[19:13] <G6SUQ_Graham> he's not paying you enough
[19:13] <amell> lol
[19:13] <Tomcat> cant make head nor tail of thre decodes am I missing something?
[19:15] <amell> who is HABJOE? Its going to go over his head.
[19:16] <G6SUQ_Graham> damn, cant decode ... new PC, soundcard not working correctly!
[19:16] <amell> Upu appears to be floating off the east coast near felixstowe
[19:16] <SteveF2> what seettings do i need to decode?
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[19:18] <arko> holy hell that toook offfff
[19:18] <bertrik> thor16 doesn't need any special settings AFAIK
[19:18] <arko> thousand mile an hour winds?
[19:19] <bertrik> just make sure that the signal level is right, maybe turn off squelch if you get a weak signal
[19:19] <db_g6gzh_> SteveF2: Auto-configure, then Op Mode->THOR->THOR 16
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[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> think s=cully died ?
[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> we've lost RX
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[19:27] <Neil_M0CJM> Getting constant greens now here in Basingstoke
[19:27] <Upu_M0UPU> Yeah definetely lost RX on Scully
[19:27] <Upu_M0UPU> poo
[19:28] <G6SUQ_Graham> brb ... goona see if a reboot sorts out my sound
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[19:28] <Guest36304> Getting plenty of signal from MULDER about -16, but cant decode have I missed something?
[19:29] <mikestir> switch to thor16
[19:29] <Guest36304> like is there new software tried it oin two different computers!
[19:29] <mikestir> no, the auto config sets the mode to dominoex16, but it's actually thor16
[19:30] <mikestir> so after you auto config you have to change the mode
[19:30] <Guest36304> ah so how to switch to thor 16?
[19:30] <amell> why was thor16 not set in the flight doc?
[19:30] <mikestir> I don't think it supports it
[19:30] <mikestir> (flight doc that is)
[19:30] <amell> ah
[19:30] <mikestir> to change mode do: op mode->thor->thor 16
[19:30] <Neil_M0CJM> Guest36304 At the top of fl-digi in the menu area select opmode
[19:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is the telemetery continous ?
[19:31] <Guest36304> many thanks G4MYS
[19:31] <Guest36304> oh yes and has been for some time!
[19:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> and dial freq ?
[19:31] <ibanezmatt13> anybody got current freq and shift for mulder?
[19:31] <mikestir> 434.450
[19:32] <Neil_M0CJM> i am on 434.450.70
[19:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> ummm not seeing either at presen :(
[19:32] <mikestir> yeah I make the centre frequency about 434.451
[19:32] <Neil_M0CJM> Must admit nice having a Friday eve launch!
[19:32] Nick change: mikestir -> mikestir_2E0MXS
[19:32] <SteveF2> why carnt i see my station on the spacenear.us site??
[19:33] <Neil_M0CJM> it looks like its drifting up slightly to me
[19:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right found one
[19:33] <Neil_M0CJM> SteveF2 You tried refreshing spacenear.us
[19:33] <Guest36304> steve have you put in correct cordinates? other then that shi=ut off computer and restart it!
[19:34] <db_g6gzh_> SteveF2: have you set location in DL Client->Configure ?
[19:34] <SteveF2> i'll try restarting
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[19:35] <bertrik> time to turn on the receiver at hacker space revspace, the hague
[19:36] <Guest36304> I am puzzled how you get dl fldigi to accept THOR 16 while I can select it cant figgure ho to get programme to understnd its been selected!
[19:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> If its selected then its shown in the lower left corner
[19:37] <amell> guest36304: op mode in menu
[19:37] <amell> down to thor
[19:37] <amell> then move right and hit thor16, and thats it
[19:37] <Guest36304> I see menu and thor and 16 but its how to get the prgramme to accept the selection!
[19:38] <SteveF2> yes set myself as a stationary listener with the lat/lon values, it said telematery uploaded successfully, not sure what all that was about
[19:38] <amell> something wrong with your fldigi guest36304
[19:38] <amell> are you on a PC or Mac?
[19:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> which version of software are you running Guest36304
[19:38] <Guest36304> yes I am comming to that conclusion !
[19:39] <Guest36304> not sure off hand been running it for several months
[19:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Help About Fldigi 3.21.50
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[19:39] <amell> thats teh latest
[19:39] <Guest36304> 3.21,50 is the version I am running
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[19:39] <SteveF2> me toooo
[19:41] <mikestir_2E0MXS> Guest36304: after you select thor16 in the menu does it change to THOR16 in the bottom left corner?
[19:42] <Guest36304> yes it does! but still ne sence
[19:42] <amell> whos on the camera?
[19:43] <amell> can you send us a screenshot of the window?
[19:43] <amell> thats to Guest36304
[19:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can you give us a screen chpt of the whole screen
[19:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> shot
[19:43] <Guest36304> At long last! Ive got it!!! many thanks gents de G4MYS
[19:43] <SteveF2> my turn now lol
[19:43] <G6SUQ_Graham> Guest36304: excellent, perhaps you can help me!
[19:44] <ibanezmatt13> greens here now :)
[19:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> SteveF2 whereabouts on the map should you be ?
[19:44] <Guest36304> uFkm ee t 5t<IooO oqfao mvenuOxeein2pjbOïåntNtn=rus )us e L Cinii l ii 9jqehdtt$$MULDER,317,19:42:58,52.14657,-2.13780,11330,6,154 1,20*7C60 $$MULDER,318,19:43:17,52.14733,-2.13487,11420,5,1540,00*F75E
[19:44] <SteveF2> up nearMoUPU-1
[19:44] <amell> Guest36304: did you get agreen?
[19:44] <Guest36304> G6SUQ fire away
[19:44] <SteveF2> and M0RJX
[19:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right your on the map you might need to refresh
[19:45] <Neil_M0CJM> Signals drifting down here
[19:45] <amell> Who is HABJOE_BASE?
[19:45] <G6SUQ_Graham> Guest36304, that's okay, I need to figure it out for myself
[19:45] <Guest36304> all greens many thanks should show on list soon when it stops drifting!
[19:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh your note RJX then SteveF2 ?
[19:46] <G6SUQ_Graham> HABJOE are the team who flew AURA2 last weekend
[19:46] <SteveF2> no I'm 2E0VET
[19:46] <SteveF2> virtually next to RJX
[19:47] <amell> Guest36303: What is your callsign ?
[19:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have you filled in the DL-client section ?
[19:47] <SteveF2> mine?
[19:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes the Location tab
[19:47] Nick change: SteveF2 -> steve_2e0vet
[19:48] <Guest36304> lesson learned there is to look in the bottom left hand box and not at the multi mode box!
[19:48] <steve_2e0vet> dl-client/configure/location tab ?
[19:48] <mikestir_2E0MXS> the afc doesn't seem to work
[19:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes thats the tab you need Lat Long Height filled in
[19:48] <Guest36304> nor mine youll just have to keep hand on VFO !
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[19:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> AFC doesn't work on THOR unless its preceded bu RSID
[19:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> which these two aren't manual tracking
[19:49] <steve_2e0vet> lat 53.644285 long 80m Alt -1.74456 - that just might be my problem
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[19:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> -1.7 is East of Meridian
[19:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah you had Alt as Long
[19:51] <steve_2e0vet> yes
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[19:51] <steve_2e0vet> but the -1.7 i got from a web site??
[19:51] <mikestir_2E0MXS> -ve is west
[19:51] <steve_2e0vet> there we go - I have arrived!!!!
[19:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Best to use Google Maps and right click then cur and paste the details
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[19:51] <Neil_M0CJM> where r u steve?
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[19:52] <steve_2e0vet> huddersfield
[19:52] <steve_2e0vet> are was that sarcasm
[19:52] <steve_2e0vet> argh!! even
[19:53] <Neil_M0CJM> Nope sorry just tracked you down :
[19:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/Mulder-Scully_20140404/index.php?ind=2
[19:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> different from the prediction tonight
[19:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> I take it Scuuly has gone off on anothe rmission then ;-)
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[19:54] <amell> where is scully?
[19:54] <ibanezmatt13> rookie mistake, never leave window open when tracking and its dark, multiple fly attacks occur
[19:54] <Neil_M0CJM> M0UPU is mid english channel according to my map :-)
[19:55] <G6SUQ_Graham> and G6UIM is just off the SW coast near Torquay
[19:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Poor sod he's been there 2 hours as well!
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[19:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Colinh seems to be a long distance swimmer as well!
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[19:56] <G6SUQ_Graham> oh, a partial decode at 14215m alt
[19:56] <g6uim> Just noticed I am swimming will correct that
[19:56] <amell> Does Wefax image reception work in dl-fldigi?
[19:56] <G6SUQ_Graham> amell: yes it does, quite good on HF
[19:57] <amell> what frequency are they on?
[19:57] <G6SUQ_Graham> let me google that ...
[19:57] <Guest36304> 434.450.046 +- dial readout
[19:58] <amell> Im wondering what other data stuff you can receive in 2m/70cm antenna
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[19:58] <steve_2e0vet> what do the blue and green circles mean on spacenear us?
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[19:58] <amell> steve: blue is horizon
[19:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Blue circle is 0 degree horizon
[19:58] <amell> green is horizon - something
[19:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Green is 5 degree horizon
[19:58] <mikestir_2E0MXS> 5 degrees
[19:59] <steve_2e0vet> do you have to be in a particular one to have a chance of receive
[19:59] <Guest36304> basically if your withing range in theory
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[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you have a clear takeoff then Blue circle if you have hills etc then Green may be more like it
[20:00] <steve_2e0vet> thats me out then, im in a valley and just outside of the green
[20:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Depends on aerial etc
[20:01] <gonzo___> I'm in a ver
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[20:01] <amell> depends on atmospheric conditions too
[20:01] <gonzo___> valley, and just on the green, but have been getting great telem for ages
[20:01] <Guest36304> it all depends on aerial and its height, if you have a preamp and if your radio has a good front end, and of course what the "conitions" are like!
[20:02] <gonzo___> and the balloon is in my worst dirsteion. So it's altitude can give suprising results
[20:02] <G6SUQ_Graham> Guest36304: where are you?
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[20:02] <Guest36304> G6SUQ Shirley SOUTHAMPTON why de G4MYS
[20:02] <gonzo___> radio conditions should have no effect on balloons sigs
[20:02] <steve_2e0vet> im using an FT857 but only got a 2m/70cm vertical
[20:02] <gonzo___> it;'s pure engineering calculations
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[20:03] <G6SUQ_Graham> just wondered, hadn;t found you on map yet, now I know where to look
[20:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> A beg to differ depends on any ducts rain etc that might be about
[20:03] <gonzo___> the colinear is strong sigs here too.
[20:03] <Guest36304> weve had some weird condtions last year when a stion in Carlise couold hear it and we down south could not the ballon around the same area as tonight
[20:03] <mikestir_2E0MXS> steve_2e0vet: I got first green outside of the blue circle on an X30
[20:03] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I seem to have a very good path to dave's new place though
[20:04] <Neil_M0CJM> right guys and gals, calling it a night here, will be on here for the weekend launches so see you then! Nght!
[20:04] <gonzo___> the yagi gives similar signal levels, so i suspect the balloon line of sight is just about useable here (as the yagi should be much better signals, but is lower than the omni)
[20:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> G'night
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[20:04] <steve_2e0vet> what is the maximum size ballon that can be launch without CAA permission
[20:04] <steve_2e0vet> night
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[20:05] <gonzo___> 2mtrs in any dimentsion, at any point in the flight
[20:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Balloon and Payload must fit in a 2m cube at all times
[20:05] <gonzo___> snap
[20:05] <steve_2e0vet> argh ballon AND payload... oh dear
[20:05] <ulfr> At least you have that...
[20:05] <mikestir_2E0MXS> it's the "any point in the flight" bit that's the real problem
[20:05] <G6SUQ_Graham> who manufactures cubical balloons?
[20:05] <ulfr> hahaha
[20:06] <steve_2e0vet> i have tried on about 5 occasions to get permission but they never respond
[20:06] <gonzo___> not uncommon
[20:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Like cubic tomatoes
[20:06] <gonzo___> once you have managed, then it seems to be easier, as they can just recranck the handle on the paperwork
[20:06] <ulfr> Not sure how it works over there...
[20:06] <ulfr> But here in .is you need to state some things quite clear.
[20:07] <Guest36304> G6SUQ I am in southampton as G4MYS-2 as I was pratting with my other computer! seems only station tracking oin southampton tonight
[20:07] <ulfr> Like the weight, size, what kind of equipment, and reason.
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[20:07] <ulfr> with the last meaning the most.
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[20:08] <mikestir_2E0MXS> and I take it things like "upsetting felix baumgartner by breaking his record with a teddy bear" is not good enough reason?
[20:08] <G6SUQ_Graham> what about the 'Top Gear' answer ... I'm just cocking about
[20:10] <Guest36304> I am a bit tired tonight Graham! all that chasing W's on 7Mhz 3AM in the morning! HI
[20:10] <gonzo___> it's a bit less descriptive here, but met balloon, radio payload and descends on a chute is pretty much all we need. But there is one man administrating so it's hit and miss if yoiu get a reply
[20:11] <PA3WEG> Hi All
[20:11] <gonzo___> if he is busy, you may not get a look in
[20:11] <PA3WEG> is MULDER on frequency?
[20:11] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.450 ish
[20:11] <Upu_M0UPU> Scully has been abducted
[20:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> 2014-04-04T20:11Z THOR 16 @ 434448800+1192>
[20:11] <gonzo___> I had a few emails asking if it could be slipped a week, which did us a favour in the end
[20:12] <gonzo___> centred on 434.450450
[20:12] <gonzo___> the last zero was probably unneccesary!
[20:13] <gonzo___> right must go out. Shame that afc does not work i this mode
[20:13] <DutchMillbt> Hi SA6BBS a tropo 'ping pong';-) http://i62.tinypic.com/11jq8vm.png
[20:13] <gonzo___> will try and nudge the rx remotly on vnc
[20:15] <PA3WEG> bye Jules
[20:15] <PA3WEG> having a look with the white diamond stick, but not much signal unfortunately....
[20:16] <gonzo___> eve wooter. 73
[20:16] <PE2G> First green at 586 km, elev -0.7 deg
[20:16] <PE2G> http://s8.postimg.org/50ymnsuud/Screen1374.jpg
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[20:19] <bertrik> mulder coming in loud and clear at revspace, the hague
[20:20] <PA3WEG> There must be something wrong with my setup then...\
[20:22] <Reb-SM3ULC> mm, scully released
[20:22] <amell> there must be a market for 1.99m cuboid balloons
[20:23] <bertrik> it says -11 dB s/n but the signal is very clear in the waterfall
[20:23] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS: listening via websdr?
[20:24] <SA6BSS> yep
[20:24] <Guest36304> bertrick mine says -10db and have perfect copy
[20:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS: ah, samma här
[20:27] <Upu_M0UPU> Shame about Scully but looks like the antenna is working well on Mulder
[20:28] <bertrik> ascent rate was 6.9 m/s for a moment
[20:29] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah something odd with the way its reporting altitude
[20:29] <Upu_M0UPU> I don't think spacenear.us is using the transmitted time stamp
[20:31] <bertrik> Upu_M0UPU: what kind of antenna does mulder use?
[20:31] <Upu_M0UPU> 1/4 wave guitar string
[20:32] <Upu_M0UPU> but its ideal as the radials are bent back as they should be
[20:32] <Laurenceb> what happened to scully?
[20:32] <daveake_M0RPI> abducted
[20:32] <Laurenceb> ah
[20:32] <x-f> she refused to believe
[20:33] <PA3WEG> I want my work setup back for HABbing....useless home setup :(
[20:33] <Upu_M0UPU> died
[20:33] <Laurenceb> on the same envelope?
[20:33] <daveake_M0RPI> no
[20:34] <Upu_M0UPU> 2 seperate 1600g's
[20:34] <Reb-SM3ULC> Has anyone neeb dping some more scientific research of these modes use by HAB, rtty, thor etc?
[20:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Are the LED's visible ?
[20:34] <Upu_M0UPU> should be Geoff-G8DHE
[20:34] <Upu_M0UPU> we could see them for a quite a while
[20:34] <Laurenceb> need photos
[20:35] <Upu_M0UPU> took a few at launch
[20:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nered to send the telemetry on the LED's as well then ;-)
[20:35] <Upu_M0UPU> blinkers probably dead now
[20:35] <Upu_M0UPU> Lipos were taped to the outside
[20:36] <Upu_M0UPU> no insulation
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[20:37] <arko> what happen to scully?
[20:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Shh don't mention her
[20:37] <Upu_M0UPU> dunno it died shortly after launch
[20:38] <Upu_M0UPU> abducted
[20:38] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
[20:38] <LA3EQ> I Want to belive
[20:38] <eroomde> it became an ex-fly
[20:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Seen this a couple of times now;
[20:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$MULDER,485,20:37:48,52.03446,-2.04140,25936,4,1467,20*5B89
[20:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$MULDER,486,20:38:08,0.00000,0.00000,0,3,1466,00*6514
[20:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$MULDER,487,20:38:26,52.03074,-2.04864,26109,5,1473,20*381A
[20:39] <bertrik> mulder showing status 20
[20:39] <LA3EQ> Mulder will find her ;)
[20:39] <Upu_M0UPU> status 20 is just no lock
[20:39] <Upu_M0UPU> don't worry :)
[20:39] <Upu_M0UPU> its in PSM it will come back
[20:39] <Guest36304> either which way you have the attention of around 2 dozen trackers...
[20:40] <Upu_M0UPU> I know anyone of thought no one had anything to do on a Friday night :)
[20:40] <eroomde> PSM seems a bit dodge
[20:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[20:40] <Upu_M0UPU> its very aggressive sometimes
[20:40] <Upu_M0UPU> just holds 4-5 sats
[20:41] <bertrik> I just saw a brief burst of thor 2 kHz lower!
[20:41] <Upu_M0UPU> hmm
[20:41] <bertrik> (can't be really sure it was thor though), but could be scully perhaps
[20:42] <Upu_M0UPU> keep an eye out for it
[20:44] <arko> hahaha
[20:44] <arko> abducted
[20:46] <Upu_M0UPU> hmm ascent rate has gone all Mexican
[20:46] <arko> lol
[20:46] <arko> how many mAh was the battery?
[20:46] <arko> was it visible after launch? clouds?
[20:47] <Upu_M0UPU> the blinker was 190mAH Lipo
[20:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm Google Earth can do a 3 times exaggeration if you like ;-)
[20:47] <Upu_M0UPU> the tracker is an AA good for 72 hours
[20:48] <arko> oh cool
[20:48] <arko> small battery
[20:48] <daveake_M0RPI> arko The second launch - after sunset - was very visible
[20:48] <daveake_M0RPI> saw it for ages
[20:48] <daveake_M0RPI> longer than we received it in fact :/
[20:48] <Upu_M0UPU> blinker is 3 hours
[20:48] <arko> haha
[20:48] <mikestir_2E0MXS> should have modulated the telemetry onto the led
[20:48] <arko> so many miles then
[20:48] Action: daveake_M0RPI writes morse flasher code
[20:48] <arko> brilliant
[20:48] <eroomde> mikestir_2E0MXS: considered that a few times
[20:49] <arko> the new dl-fldigi will be a set of binoculars
[20:49] <eroomde> one of those cree 2W red LEDs shining up onto the balloon
[20:49] <arko> :O
[20:49] <eroomde> which would reflect it without a similar radiation pattern as an 1/4 wave w/ groundplane
[20:49] <arko> ooo i like that idea
[20:49] <arko> or lighting the outside of it
[20:50] <eroomde> with a*
[20:50] <arko> onto*
[20:50] <arko> just re-read that
[20:50] <arko> heh
[20:50] <LA3EQ> LED inside would be nice
[20:50] <arko> somes gotta do this
[20:50] <arko> someones*
[20:50] <eroomde> i think when i worked out the link budget, 434mhz seemed like the more sensible wavelength
[20:51] <arko> the one experiment i wanted to try was flying a little bit of water next to the radio antenna
[20:52] <eroomde> to make homeopathic transmitters?
[20:52] <mikestir_2E0MXS> that's how you make those special electrons they use in the copper in hifi mains leads
[20:53] <arko> capacitively couple with water
[20:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/Mulder-Scully_20140404/index.php?ind=6
[20:53] <arko> increase range like the keyfobs
[20:53] <arko> i just wanted to try it
[20:53] <arko> i cant explain the theory of it very well
[20:53] <arko> some voodoo with constructive interference and e fields
[20:54] <Guest36304> with the car fob a decent rx would half help! but it would cost more!
[20:54] <arko> sounds crazy, but it totally works, i just need to research why
[20:56] <eroomde> maybe try these arko
[20:56] <eroomde> http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm
[20:56] <arko> hahahaa
[20:56] <mikestir_2E0MXS> wtf
[20:56] <arko> i knew you would give me shit for this :)
[20:57] <mikestir_2E0MXS> are these all off that tumblr thing eroomde?
[20:58] <arko> i cant ever troll
[20:58] <mikestir_2E0MXS> http://www.oregondv.com/CableElevators.htm
[20:58] <arko> i try
[20:58] <arko> but i fail
[20:59] <eroomde> "There is no practical excuse for not isolating & elevating your cables off the floor. "
[20:59] <eroomde> Um, how about SCIENCE, bitch
[20:59] <arko> eroomde: dude, you gotta stay away from those forums
[21:00] <arko> trust me, my blood boils everytime i hear about this "increase range" or "clean away noise"
[21:00] <Guest36304> whats this then:552,20:59:46,0.00000,0.00000,32612,3,1467,00*81
[21:00] <arko> blah blah audiophile bs
[21:02] <arko> "The original glass bottles for Brilliant Pebbles have been replaced by clear zip lock bags, which have a more linear response than glass. "
[21:02] <arko> hahaha wtf
[21:02] <ulfr> hehe
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[21:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Dropped to 3 sats so no lat/long
[21:03] <mikestir_2E0MXS> well they do - the closure is almost perfectly straight, unlike a glass bottle which is very non-linear
[21:03] <Guest36304> cant see point of putting stones next to sheilded cable or cable carrying digiatal signals have I missed something?
[21:03] <mikestir_2E0MXS> burst?
[21:04] <mikestir_2E0MXS> yes
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[21:04] <Upu_M0UPU> that sucks
[21:05] <arko> Guest36304: we are joking around
[21:05] <daveake_M0RPI> I told you to use a much larger k
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[21:05] <Guest36304> Well it does seem a little odd!!!
[21:06] <daveake_M0RPI> Aiming for Leo :p
[21:06] <arko> that would be an epic recovery
[21:06] <arko> that thing is coming down like it's on the autobahn
[21:06] <steve_2e0vet> anyone know what "TinyGPS does not name a type" means in an arduino sketch?
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[21:07] <junderwood_M0JCU> A prize if you manage to land Scully in GCHQ
[21:08] <amell> does scully have gsm tracker?
[21:08] <bertrik> steve_2e0vet: maybe you didn't include the TinyGPS library in your sketch?
[21:08] <arko> steve_2e0vet: are you including it?
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[21:08] <steve_2e0vet> yes ive included it
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[21:09] <arko> pastebin code?
[21:09] <eroomde> found scully
[21:09] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/0c47FUA.jpg
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[21:09] <arko> lol
[21:10] <steve_2e0vet> i spent months (and i mean months) writing a simple GPS/RTTY sketch and just come back to it after months off and I lost all the sketches, so in order to get something work I got one from git hub... but yes it does work.
[21:10] <amell> wheres the chase car stream?
[21:10] <arko> steve_2e0vet: perhaps you are using a different arduino.exe?
[21:11] <arko> did you get a new version? different libraries inside that folder
[21:11] <steve_2e0vet> possibly.... is there a basic skectch about for NTX2 and ublox, no sensors nothing fancy just the bare bones,
[21:12] <steve_2e0vet> problem is i have built an NTX2 and ublox into an ATmega328 so cannot debug the serial port
[21:12] <arko> it sounds like you dont have a name type defined, i'd double check the path of that .h
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[21:13] <amell> If scully had same lift as Mulder, its just possible might see it blinking on way down while recovering mulder.
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[21:14] <mikestir_2E0MXS> Upu_M0UPU: did scully just go off or was it weak and went out of range?
[21:15] <fsphil> mulder is in no rush down
[21:15] <arko> http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130501204015/alienfilm/images/e/e8/I_Want_to_Believe.png
[21:15] <arko> fsphil: might actually land near Leo
[21:15] <arko> that'd be epic
[21:16] <fsphil> I wouldn't be surprised if it started going up again
[21:16] <fsphil> it must have a pretty big chute
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[21:16] <arko> -6.5m/s at 21000m is crazy
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[21:17] <fsphil> unless it's using an el'altitudeo meter
[21:17] <bertrik> :)
[21:17] <arko> lol
[21:17] <amell> arrrrrrgh :( I have the wrong connector
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[21:18] <steve_2e0vet> urm... import library just brings in a blank line not the TinyGPS
[21:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Keep an eye landing spots it might be a "hole" in one place not reccomended!
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[21:19] <fsphil> heh, the FEC survived that frequency hop
[21:19] <amell> I dont believe it. I thought i had an N converter to BNC - I dont.
[21:19] <arko> steve_2e0vet: have some code to show?
[21:19] <amell> Any idea where i can get one from before noon tomorrow
[21:20] <steve_2e0vet> arko not at the moment
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[21:20] <fsphil> I wonder if mulder has most of the balloon coming down with it
[21:20] <PE2G> Lost it at -0.7 deg. THOR16 is impressive below the horizon
[21:20] <PE2G> http://s11.postimg.org/a1vmxsf0z/Screen1376.jpg
[21:21] <bertrik> lost it too
[21:21] <fsphil> starting to fade here
[21:22] <arko> transmit this next time https://soundcloud.com/arandompersona/x-files-theme-8bit
[21:22] <Upu_M0UPU> we are driving now
[21:22] <fsphil> arko: I did on the Loki flight :)
[21:22] <arko> orly?
[21:22] <fsphil> yea it played a few tunes between strings. x-files was one of them
[21:23] <fsphil> well, a small part of it
[21:23] <fsphil> like 6 notes
[21:23] <arko> haha nice
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[21:24] <fsphil> it's mostly gone here
[21:24] <fsphil> it stops decoding quite suddenly
[21:24] <mikestir_2E0MXS> the fading seems to affect it quite badly
[21:24] <mikestir_2E0MXS> needs more interleaving
[21:24] <amell> I guess I wont be listening to balloons tomorrow. No way to connect N plug to my sdr.
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[21:24] <PE2G> fsphil: agreed
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[21:25] <Guest36304> I note we all lost it then, so what causes that apart from "conditions"? then de G4MYS
[21:25] <mikestir_2E0MXS> the tx antenna folding up as it tumbles
[21:26] <fsphil> possibly also damage on the antenna
[21:26] <fsphil> it's coming back here
[21:26] <fsphil> getting partials
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[21:26] <Student_> Does anyone here know how to change the configrartion register : CONFIG3H in mikroc
[21:26] <Guest36304> accepted in part but it beeb dropping for a while...
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[21:26] <fsphil> drifting quite quickly
[21:26] <fsphil> -40m/s
[21:27] <fsphil> speed is all over the place
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[21:27] <arko> there's a pretty clear point of inflection on the alt plot
[21:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> A hole in one on GCHQ is not a good idea!
[21:28] <fsphil> if the balloon was acting like a chute, it might have collapsed at that point
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[21:28] <fsphil> did anyone see the optical beacon?
[21:28] <Guest36304> I wonder of youd get it back if it fell in GCHQ?!!
[21:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> No!
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[21:29] <fsphil> too cloudy?
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[21:30] <fsphil> signal's gone completely here
[21:31] <fsphil> but at least I made contact
[21:31] <cm13g09> hmm... yeah, that's a little close to GCHQ :P
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[21:31] <fsphil> there is life out there
[21:31] Action: fsphil believes
[21:32] <bertrik> I want to receive
[21:34] <arko> hahaha
[21:37] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/CZvDnuJ.jpg
[21:37] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[21:40] <fsphil> lol very good
[21:42] <arko> now to make it a poster :P
[21:42] <Upu_M0UPU> predictions are all over the place
[21:42] <Upu_M0UPU> can anyone run me a manual one based on about 10m/s ?
[21:43] <arko> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=e5ae2bc697fd1d110f26ba4d53e3d723584568bf
[21:44] <arko> Cheltenham
[21:44] <fsphil> agreed
[21:44] <fsphil> it's a residential area
[21:45] <fsphil> some weird round building nearby
[21:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> A look on Sat view you might recognise it!
[21:45] <fsphil> points if you land in the middle
[21:45] <mikestir_2E0MXS> haha
[21:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> many points!
[21:45] <amell> lol
[21:45] <mikestir_2E0MXS> which out for the RAF
[21:45] <fsphil> ah, GHCQ
[21:45] <mikestir_2E0MXS> watch*
[21:45] <amell> if you land there, you aint gonna get it back!
[21:45] <arko> omg please land there
[21:45] <fsphil> oh dear
[21:46] <arko> OMG
[21:46] <arko> it will become an actual X file
[21:46] <amell> in other news i just successfully soldered my first N connector
[21:46] <fsphil> heading over an airport
[21:46] <amell> staverton
[21:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/Mulder-Scully_20140404/index.php?ind=8
[21:47] <amell> this isnt taking the mick? its seriously predicted to land in GCHQ car park?
[21:48] <fsphil> very nearly
[21:48] <fsphil> it's currently heading more northerly than the prediction
[21:48] <fsphil> should miss it by a Bamfurlong
[21:49] <Guest36304> which it were more stable Iam hanging on the VFO!
[21:49] <fsphil> coming down slower than 10m/s
[21:49] <fsphil> should miss GHCQ
[21:49] <junderwood_M0JCU> Dead]
[21:49] <fsphil> I wonder how many alerts we've triggered tonight
[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> gone for me
[21:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> GCHQ got it
[21:50] <Guest36304> Caroline!
[21:50] <amell> crossing M5
[21:50] <Guest36304> its done a radio Caroline dead!
[21:50] <amell> Is Upu on his way?
[21:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Actually no one inside is ever going to see it!
[21:50] <Upu_M0UPU> yup
[21:50] <Upu_M0UPU> we are
[21:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> Didn't fade out - just vanished
[21:50] <G4AIU-Eugene> signal gone - good night all
[21:51] <Guest36304> Xtal osc possable died?
[21:51] <fsphil> new prediction suggests Bishop's Cleeve
[21:51] <amell> so why is upu going the wrong way?
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[21:51] <Upu_M0UPU> hwere is GCHQ ?
[21:51] <amell> cheltenham!
[21:51] <Guest36304> look for it may have cronic drift!
[21:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> You passed over M5
[21:51] <amell> you should have taken the next junction off m5
[21:51] <amell> take the A435 on your right in a bit
[21:51] <fsphil> hmm.. no new data
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[21:52] <amell> this is an area i know well.
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[21:52] <junderwood_M0JCU> I hope the LED is nice and bright 'casue the radio is certainly dead
[21:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like Upu has jumped car and left it to Dave!
[21:53] <fsphil> aww
[21:53] <fsphil> two radios failed in two flights... can't be right
[21:53] <cm13g09> that's worrying that it just vanished....
[21:53] <amell> is any burning helicopter wreckage visible?
[21:53] <arko> well there are many reasons
[21:53] <Upu_M0UPU> radio gone ?
[21:54] <fsphil> aliens, clearly
[21:54] <arko> yes
[21:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> It was directly over the airfiled!
[21:54] <Guest36304> noted missing over airport!
[21:54] <amell> apparently yes
[21:54] <fsphil> well out of range for me, but no new uploads in a while
[21:54] <amell> tbh youre probably best getting back on m25, but not much in it now
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[21:54] <amell> m5 i mean :)
[21:54] <arko> 7 receivers stoped receiving
[21:55] <cm13g09> amell: stop sending Upu_M0UPU around in circles :P
[21:55] <amell> whats the predict based on last position?
[21:55] <fsphil> if I had to guess I'd say it'll land just south west of bishop's cleeve
[21:55] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=2b54daad839f770714f6ba9e9c89da2df86cf9cd
[21:56] <Guest36304> no nothing 100khz either side
[21:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=d4fd63b6e148bbe4f6fa458aacc7fc89c5d123ed
[21:56] <amell> fsphil: that predict is just north of bishops cleeve? on the A435
[21:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> based on last data
[21:56] <cm13g09> well I'm off to bed
[21:56] <fsphil> amell: I think it was coming in a bit faster than that prediction
[21:56] <cm13g09> I hope it turns up.
[21:56] <fsphil> and a bit more westerly
[21:57] <fsphil> nite cm13g09
[21:58] <amell> Upu drives slowly.
[21:58] <Upu_M0UPU> poop
[21:58] <Upu_M0UPU> we are parked up
[21:58] <amell> bit too north?
[21:58] <fsphil> ask ghcq, they'll know where it is
[21:59] <fsphil> that's a weird building
[21:59] <amell> If it was me Id go into bishops cleeve take a right at the second roundabout down stoke road and have a listen round there
[22:00] <fsphil> yea stoke road is the best bet
[22:00] <Guest36304> Well- all be back tomorrow for another flight! hope you find your ballon and thank you for the chase Andy G4MYS
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[22:00] <Guest36304> and thre cats sleeps on my lap wil;l now get thown out!
[22:00] <GCHQ> Try our Carpark just NE of main entrance
[22:00] Nick change: GCHQ -> Guest77101
[22:01] <fsphil> hah
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[22:01] <fsphil> I hope it's still transmitting
[22:01] <Guest36304> we think not!
[22:01] <Guest77101> We can hear it
[22:02] <Upu_M0UPU> sure ?
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[22:02] <arko> well
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[22:02] <arko> its on the ground now
[22:02] <arko> based on the predictions at 10m/s, it should be touching down any second
[22:02] <amell> go to stoke road. right at second roundabout
[22:02] <amell> and look south from there
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[22:03] <arko> that seems like a good idea
[22:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Prediction from 5888m and 9m/s http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=69c56248ca70e8f30c505b5f93be4b0bb1136748
[22:04] <Upu_M0UPU> we are going to drive down towards bishops cleve
[22:05] <amell> good!
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[22:10] <Upu_M0PU> nothing heard
[22:10] <arko> :<
[22:10] <amell> where are you?
[22:10] <amell> ah just saw the update
[22:11] <amell> head south and go down hyde lane on your right
[22:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hyde Lane and Swindon village might be best route
[22:11] <amell> takes you to swindon village
[22:12] <amell> go back
[22:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Missed Hyde lane
[22:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Cpntinue to next Roundabout turn right 4th exit
[22:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Swindon Lane
[22:13] <arko> irc directions
[22:13] <arko> haha
[22:14] <amell> seems to be some positional lag
[22:14] <amell> aha. take a right when you get to the T junction
[22:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> At end of Swindon Lane junction with Wymans lane listen again on radio!
[22:15] <arko> im pretty sure Upu has a gps :P
[22:15] <amell> sure but not so easy when youre in a car.
[22:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh but its fun ;-)
[22:15] <amell> hope it hasnt landed in that industrial estate
[22:16] <Upu_M0PU> ok offically lost
[22:16] <Upu_M0PU> thx for tracking
[22:17] <amell> Id still go down old gloucester road, B4634 and see if you can hear there
[22:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> You have to take one loop of Hubble Road surely ?
[22:18] <Upu_M0PU> nah
[22:18] <Upu_M0PU> heading home
[22:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't balme you really!
[22:18] <Upu_M0PU> getting late
[22:18] <g0pai_ian> Bit of a shame, bad luck Upu. Hopefully it will be returned.
[22:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice flight anyway, some good amusment
[22:18] <Upu_M0PU> odd failures though
[22:19] <Upu_M0PU> was very little insulation
[22:19] <g0pai_ian> Don't suppose radar at airfield could have affected it? zip zip zip
[22:19] <Upu_M0PU> don't see why
[22:19] <arko> unlikely
[22:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes both dropped out very rapidly much less than duration or telemetry frame
[22:19] <Upu_M0PU> hardware failure probably
[22:19] <Upu_M0PU> which is odd
[22:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> not at 6Kms range and its not a large airport with priamary
[22:20] <arko> does anyone have a waterfall of the death?
[22:20] <g0pai_ian> Get into a lot of stuff. . . did it die mid sentence, not between messages?
[22:21] <Upu_M0PU> ok logging off
[22:21] <Upu_M0PU> night!Q
[22:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Night
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[22:21] <g0pai_ian> Gnite Upu.
[22:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> It faded very rapidly for me, but it didn't abruptly
[22:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> end
[22:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> perhaps 6-10 symbols
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[22:28] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI5tsetrbpA&feature=youtu.be
[22:28] <arko> very cooool
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[22:42] <mattbrejza> what radios were these?
[22:43] <fsphil> si4060's I believe
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[22:43] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
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[22:56] <amell> SP3OSJ: heard any more from the Caspian?
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[22:58] <SP3OSJ> Amell: Where do you live?
[22:58] <amell> uk
[22:59] <SP3OSJ> Amell: OK you do not hear more
[22:59] <jededu> will the test transmissions be cleared from the tracker tonight?
[23:00] <SP3OSJ> Amell: Tomorrow the second attempt!!!
[23:00] <amell> after the excitement of earlier does any one know how i can interface a N plug to a PL259 socket?
[23:01] <amell> preferably in the next 8 hours& :(
[23:01] <amell> SP3OSJ: cool. I will look out for it. Leobodnar will be watching with envy.
[23:01] <g0pai_ian> Is there any protocol that could be adopted for tracker testing to keep it from cluttering live flight scenario? Obviously to test when no live flying going on.
[23:02] <LeoBodnar> envy hahaha
[23:02] <steve_2e0vet> any ideas why a ublox returns "Reading ACK response (FAILED!)" its as if its not connected
[23:02] <amell> g0pai_ian: the obvious answer would be a staging version of snus i.e. snus/staging
[23:03] <jededu> g0pai_ian thats exactly why i waited untill now
[23:03] <g0pai_ian> SP3OSJ: I inderstand that there is a little Khazakstani boy that has a thriving business selling second hand HAB trackers that he finds :)
[23:03] <amell> i have various crazy ideas using copper foil to bridge the socket and pin.
[23:04] <g0pai_ian> jededu: amell: I guessed that, as activity increases it becomes less easy. Sort of negative or zero serials numbers and a bit of a fix on the database view was what I was thinking.
[23:05] <SP3OSJ> g0pai_ian Yes yes Khazakstan boy name: BORAT?
[23:06] <g0pai_ian> Ha ha, that would be the one ! I think that he is in the employ of Leo.
[23:06] <amell> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessblogshub.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F11%2Fborat_mankini.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessblogshub.com%2F2012%2F11%2Fis-your-business-sexy-enough-for-facebook%2F&h=450&w=510&tbnid=n2Uw_pGuARM-JM%3A&zoom=1&docid=oXYOH697hDSFJM&ei=3To_U4aKFIWB7QbvjYGYAQ&tbm=isch&client=safari&ved=0CNwBEIQcMCk&iact=rc&dur=559&page=2&start=41&ndsp=48
[23:06] <amell> ouch. but that is the guy selling hab trackers on the beach
[23:07] <daveake1> home
[23:07] <g0pai_ian> that looks like it could injure jum amell.
[23:07] <daveake1> Not the best results
[23:07] <arko> welcome home
[23:07] <g0pai_ian> s/jum/him/
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[23:08] <g0pai_ian> I guess you need to get the flight recorder for the analysis Dave?
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[23:08] <daveake1> meh, Upu's trackers Upu's code Upu's job :p
[23:09] <arko> your place looks excellent for launching though
[23:09] <g0pai_ian> I see, not an envelope or chute failure :)
[23:09] <SP3OSJ> I'm going to sleep. In the morning at 7:00 my balloon flight to Borat
[23:09] <daveake1> No, 2 tracker failures
[23:09] <amell> SP3OSJ: Borat will welcome your tracker into his mankini.
[23:10] <daveake1> Curious. Need to get some detectives on the case. Mulder and Scully perhaps .....
[23:10] <daveake1> .... doh!
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[23:11] Action: amell thinks he can interface F type socket to N type plug with a little bodging
[23:11] <g0pai_ian> I meant division of labour . . . Need the bits to be able to carry out the post mortem. Preferably before the battery dies. TX or tracker per se
[23:11] <g0pai_ian> Where are the plug and socket going to amell?
[23:12] <amell> into my SDR. i dont have a N converter.
[23:12] <daveake1> As the "bits" aren't (or were'n't) transmitting, locating them is a tad difficult
[23:12] <amell> I have PL259 socket, BNC socket and SMA socket.
[23:12] <amell> and UHF socket. just no N socket.
[23:13] <amell> Which means i am stuffed
[23:13] <g0pai_ian> Best hope is a fortuitous telephone call I guess
[23:13] <daveake1> Only chance would be to drive round the area after sunrise tomorrow in the hope that transmission has resumed, nad we get close enough (typically, within 1 mile)
[23:13] <daveake1> yes that's possible, but also unlikely
[23:13] <g0pai_ian> No reward info on boxes?
[23:13] <amell> daveake1: was phone number on the payload?
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[23:14] <daveake1> Anyway, that's 3 of those trackers that have died, so I think Upu can do some investigatiive work on another one
[23:14] <daveake1> Apparently yes
[23:14] <amell> so youll probably get a call sometime tomorrow
[23:14] <daveake1> Upu build these I just flew them :)
[23:14] <daveake1> No, probably not. It's rare that these things get spotted
[23:14] <fsphil> three?
[23:15] <amell> a box sitting in a field or on someones house?
[23:15] <amell> bit hard to miss
[23:15] <daveake1> three?
[23:15] <fsphil> three fails
[23:15] <daveake1> Not at all hard to miss
[23:15] <daveake1> oh yeah, the other was that paper plane that we managed to fly into Holland
[23:15] <daveake1> that one died on the way down
[23:15] <fsphil> ah. that one got pretty cold too
[23:16] <g0pai_ian> Phone call to the TV to say that there are scientific packages lost and a modest reward is offered for prompt return
[23:16] <daveake1> yes
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[23:17] <g0pai_ian> amell: if you can you might bodge it with wire and heat shrink sleeving. Not the best, but you aren't transmitting so a slight mismatch won't kill anything.
[23:17] <g0pai_ian> Don't screw up the plugs with your bodging though. Happy listening!
[23:17] <amell> heatshrink, ah yes. good idea
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[23:20] <g0pai_ian> Stuff wire into socket and into heat shrink tubing around the matching pin. Then you can either wind wire around/across the screen connection and if you ar lucky enough to have a bit of heat shrink with large enough diameter it should stay put. if all else fails use an elastic band until you get the right bits ordered and arrived.
[23:21] <g0pai_ian> Tape it all to the bench so that it can't get accidentally pulled apart.
[23:26] <g0pai_ian> Gnite al
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[23:50] <steve_2e0vet> is there a simple test i can do to see if a ublox is fried!!
[23:51] <mattbrejza> daveake1: cool thanks, ours is up 3kHz (653)
[23:51] <daveake1> np
[23:51] <daveake1> I haven't programmed either of those trackers yet so I've not wasted any time
[23:52] <daveake1> Just need to set the payload ID and the trigger altitude
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