[00:00] <g0pai_ian> LazyLeopard: Mostly it seems that it's the telephone. Even after goodness knows how many years, they still can't get to grips with the fact that a club might choose to change it's name and regularly change their licence holder.
[00:00] <g0pai_ian> Certainly the software doesn't allow it.
[00:04] <WillTablet> Something in my room is bleeping at 03 past and 33 past the hour
[00:04] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, lots of systems like that out there...
[00:05] <g0pai_ian> Thanks for the chat folks, I have a few things to be doing for the morning. Good luck to those lofting balloons and all the trackers. Remember not to write systems like that LazyLeopard . . . it's a forgotten project of yours WillTablet. Gnite and I'll be reding the logs.
[00:05] <g0pai_ian> s/reding/reading/
[00:06] <craag> Good night Ian
[00:07] <g0pai_ian> What's the expression " I 'sed' that? . . . Good night Phil
[00:07] <fsphil> I totally grep what you mean
[00:08] <g0pai_ian> well don't AWK it around
[00:08] <WillTablet> craag: ATV looks really cool
[00:08] <WillTablet> But really really complex
[00:08] <SpeedEvil> g0pai_ian: On the other hand - a hell of a lot of 'normal' jobs are going to go away as automation kicks in in thenext 2-3 decades, and I can't see that being pretty
[00:09] <WillTablet> One question, where do you get the 6mhz bandwidth and how the hell do you avoid interference on such a high range?
[00:09] Action: LazyLeopard will keep an eye out for perls of wisdom...
[00:09] <fsphil> ghz
[00:09] <g0pai_ian> All my successes were systems that actually took other jobs away and replaced them with just a few. Then I became the victim . . .
[00:09] <fsphil> lots of bandwidth in the ghz bands
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> g0pai_ian: When driving, warehouse, retail jobs die - ...
[00:10] <WillTablet> Ah, I see
[00:10] <amell> Willtablet: Something in my study beeps every night at 21.46. Its been doing it for months. nobody can work out where its coming from. Suspected extraterrestrial interference.
[00:10] <WillTablet> I think it might have been my phone
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> amell: Set an alarm for 21:45
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[00:11] <amell> Speedevil: we have been doing that. its so faint its difficult to locate.
[00:11] <amell> there was a suspicion it was coming through the ceiling, we went up into the loft at 21.45 and it wasnt up there.
[00:12] <WillTablet> fsphil: did you publish your code for that TV ntx2 experiment?
[00:12] <fsphil> not yet WillTablet
[00:12] <SpeedEvil> amell: B) it's someone being funny, and moving it daily
[00:12] Action: WillTablet is acting as if he'd understand it
[00:12] <amell> it is really strange.
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> That would be an amusing item.
[00:13] <fsphil> WillTablet: the transmitter bit is very simple
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> Sets of three items. You sync them, and then every day afterwards, one of them at random beeps.
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> never the same one twice
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[00:27] <amell> wondering if dl-fldigi works without an internet connection
[00:29] <fsphil> it'll still decode
[00:29] <fsphil> it doesn't cache the data so it won't get uploaded after you regain internet
[00:29] <amell> can it catch up with telemetry uploads
[00:29] <amell> ah. bugger
[00:29] <amell> shame
[00:30] <SpeedEvil> It won't automatically setup the payload either of course
[00:30] <fsphil> there was talk of that
[00:30] <amell> i dont have a dongle or tethering for my laptop
[00:31] <fsphil> if you're handy with programming you could probably build a little caching app
[00:33] <Maxell> isn't catching-up useless on the current databse-setup?
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[00:34] <fsphil> it would fill in some of the early gaps, but mostly yea
[00:40] <Maxell> hmm
[00:40] <Maxell> might be worth it
[00:40] <Maxell> might also be worth to brute-force an telemtry string
[00:41] <Maxell> like, flip each char once, and recalculate checksum
[00:41] <Maxell> or allow manual FEC
[00:42] <aadamson> wow, what happened to all the flights for tomorrow... spacenear isn't showing hardly anything at the moment ...
[00:43] <craag> aadamson: Those were jsut testing, at home, so the map has been cleared to prep for tomorrow.
[00:43] <craag> Otherwise you'd see a line drawn from people's homes to the launch sites.. :)
[00:43] <aadamson> oh, I thought once they were approved, they showed up *pending flight* :)
[00:44] <craag> No, they only show up when telemetry is uploaded.
[00:44] <Maxell> aadamson: flights also up even if they are not flying :P
[00:44] <aadamson> in the info on the right side of the screen
[00:44] <craag> That is linked to the balloons shown on the map
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[00:45] <aadamson> ah, so they will re-appear once they are in prep tomorrow... that makes sense
[00:45] <craag> Yep, as soon as they're switched on at the launch sites
[00:46] <craag> It'll make a lot more sense then :)
[00:47] <amell> if i had a 3G router, Id upload telemetry from elsworth
[00:47] <craag> They're very useful for HAB stuff
[00:48] <aadamson> cradlepoints are your friend... I have 2 of them and fobs on most of the carriers :)
[00:49] <craag> My 'room' router will drop back to 3G on the usb port if it doesn't have the WAN connected.
[00:49] <craag> So i just unplug it, carry it out to the car, stick the modem in it and plug it in.
[00:49] <craag> Then I've got a 3G magmount which improves things in spotty areas
[00:50] <amell> i have a 3G dongle but it doesnt work on 10.9, driver issues.
[00:50] <amell> I need to get a new one.
[00:50] <amell> aadamson: you taking the mick? have you seen the price on cradlepoints...
[00:51] <craag> I've got an E353 that works well on '3'
[00:52] <craag> Wow that is expensive
[00:52] <amell> mine is a tmobile 530 stick
[00:52] <craag> I've got a tplink mr3420, cost me 25 quid.
[00:54] <amell> What would be ideal if I could find a wifi router that can do NAT and connect to wifi and 3G.
[00:54] <craag> connect to wifi?
[00:54] <craag> As a repeater you mean?
[00:55] <amell> yes, to allow me to connect multiple devices to hotspots that only allow one device.
[00:55] <craag> Ah I see!
[00:55] <craag> Well anything with openwrt would do that I think :)
[00:55] <amell> good point
[00:56] <craag> Oh and the tplink runs an irc server too ;)
[00:56] <craag> We used it for inter-tent (cross-field) comms on VHF field day
[01:01] <aadamson> I have one of the MIFI's and they are *junk*, having a full class C routable address scheme with firewall, full speed access, flexiblity for wired or wireless and a full power AP, it worth the cost, because its really no different than a Linksys or Cisco personal router
[01:01] <aadamson> but it's a heck of a lot smaller, I think mine are 450's
[01:02] <aadamson> which appear to ahve been replaced, wonder what with?
[01:25] <qyx_> amell: rb750 or rb951, it has usb and costs around 25e
[01:25] <qyx_> if you want it to work out-of-box
[01:26] <qyx_> and don't want to dig into openwrt
[01:27] <qyx_> also works with most orange and t-mobile 3G sticks sold here in slovakia
[01:28] <amell> routerboard looks good.
[01:28] <qyx_> or you can buy rb411u/uahr (55e), nic alu box or waterproof abs box and some sierra wireless 3G minipci modem for another ~15e from ebay
[01:29] <qyx_> if you want to be more pro
[01:29] <amell> its a router, it doesnt need to be pro
[01:29] <amell> :)
[01:30] <Laurenceb> amell: routerboard stx5 looks epic
[01:30] <qyx_> once i had such router with 3G and internal lipo pack for outdoor apps
[01:30] <Laurenceb> im not convinced that its suitable for outside permanent use without a lot more waterproofing
[01:30] <qyx_> it is
[01:30] <Laurenceb> i notice conspicuous absence of IP ratings in the datasheet
[01:31] <qyx_> heh
[01:31] <Laurenceb> horizontal rain could get in through the cable covers, straight onto the main PCB
[01:31] <qyx_> they look that they will die in the first rain
[01:31] <amell> why would i be using it in the rain?!?
[01:31] <Laurenceb> no way it'd survive on a mast the way they indicate
[01:32] <Laurenceb> amell: the brochure shows it bolted to a phone tower
[01:32] <qyx_> amell: most of the routerboards (except soho boxes) are meant to be outside
[01:32] <Laurenceb> meant to be...
[01:32] <amell> maybe its potted&
[01:32] <qyx_> it isn't
[01:32] <Laurenceb> dunno if anyone has ever done in in the real world
[01:32] <qyx_> yep
[01:32] <Laurenceb> just PCB in basic case
[01:32] <qyx_> also with ubnt boxes
[01:32] <qyx_> they are the same
[01:32] <qyx_> water can get inside from the bottom
[01:33] <Laurenceb> but it could probably be modified to be waterproof
[01:33] <Laurenceb> water _will_ get into things if its possibly can
[01:33] <Laurenceb> its a rule of nature :P
[01:33] <qyx_> i know people (local isp's) who use it without further isolation
[01:33] <qyx_> but i tend to use bare pcbs in SCAME IP56 boxes
[01:33] <Laurenceb> interesting
[01:33] <Laurenceb> yeah
[01:34] <Laurenceb> i was thinking of getting some stx5 units for a semi permanent phased array hab receiver
[01:34] <SpeedEvil> As a general point - sealing properly permenantly powered equipment can be a failure
[01:34] <Laurenceb> yeah
[01:34] <SpeedEvil> Over having them vented and somewhat warmer than the environment
[01:34] <SpeedEvil> But yes - actual rain being able to get in isn't generally a good plan
[01:35] <Laurenceb> 6Mbps should be enough to shift raw SDR baseband
[01:35] <SpeedEvil> Plenty
[01:35] <Laurenceb> and range is like 100Km plus at the low rate
[01:35] <Laurenceb> crazy
[01:35] <qyx_> uh
[01:35] <qyx_> maybe you want to comply with etsi :X
[01:35] <SpeedEvil> 'semi permenant' -where are you thinking of placing this ?
[01:35] <SpeedEvil> Do you have a nearby site?
[01:36] <SpeedEvil> 'nearby'
[01:36] <Laurenceb> its somewhere with a big desert....
[01:36] <qyx_> phased array?
[01:36] <SpeedEvil> Oh - not very semi-permenant
[01:36] <SpeedEvil> right - nvm
[01:36] <Laurenceb> well, it could be done in UK as well for HAB
[01:37] <Laurenceb> it would be fun to try
[01:37] <Laurenceb> but getting line of sight would be tricky
[01:37] <qyx_> i was thinking o 3G enabled sdr
[01:37] <Laurenceb> 5Ghz 100Km is only with a good line of sight
[01:37] <Laurenceb> qyx_: yeah in UK/not a desert you could do it that way
[01:37] <Laurenceb> much easier
[01:38] <Laurenceb> clock sync via the 5Ghz would be interesting, but probably too much jitter for phased array tricks
[01:38] <Laurenceb> its really needs independent GPS sync
[01:39] <Laurenceb> but yeah this stuff isnt very useful for HAB is somewhere like UK with good 3G
[01:40] <Laurenceb> http://www.balticnetworks.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/512x512/855cb094a20e32212f6a2c6ce54078fa/s/t/stx_5.png
[01:40] <Laurenceb> i think it can run a 3G dongle in there
[01:40] <Laurenceb> but theres no way that would survive in really bad weather
[01:41] <Laurenceb> it can run off POE too :D
[01:42] <Laurenceb> https://www.msdist.co.uk/product_MikroTik-RouterBOARD-SXT-Lite5.php
[01:44] <Laurenceb> supported by openwrt too, can't ask for more :-D
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[02:36] <zyp> water getting in is not as huge a problem as water not getting out
[02:38] <zyp> most electrical equipment designed for mounting outdoors have drain holes on the bottom
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[06:33] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
[06:35] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: czesc
[06:36] <SP3OSJ> czesc
[06:36] <SP3OSJ> 10:00 lecimy
[06:36] <sp2ipt> qrg?
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[06:43] <SP3OSJ> 144.7 + APRS + CW
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[06:59] <sp2ipt> super
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[06:59] <ibanezmatt13> Morning from the M6 southbound :-)
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[07:06] <ibanezmatt13_> This patchy 3G signal is going to annoy me all day :P
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[07:27] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: rtty 150 baud/450/7n2 ?
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[07:31] <tweetBot> @NORB_HAB: Hash browns to start the day. Arrival at Elsworth 9:45; let's hope I've not forgotten anything... :) #ukhas
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[07:36] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: czy 100/470/7n2?
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[07:37] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: going to Sopot for chocolate :) sdr running 144,6/100/570/7n2
[07:38] <sp2ipt> 144,7 that is
[07:38] <sp2ipt> and 470 :)
[07:38] <sp2ipt> guess I have to wake up
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[07:47] <SP3OSJ> Good morning. This is sunsine day. Please write my fly. My fly is Doc ID:7687aa74b136a29eebfd583a83a246ab Thansk very math
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[07:48] <SP3OSJ> 100/450/100 7n2
[07:48] <sp2ipt> ok
[07:48] <sp2ipt> hope freq won't drift much, didn't make tcxo reference yes
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[08:32] <Upu> morning :)
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[08:34] <Maxell> yeah
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[08:58] <ibanezmatt13> Driving down to Elsworth brings back memories of our last launch last August :-) Such fun
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[09:00] <G6SUQ_Graham> ibanezmatt13: at least you have good weather
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[09:01] <ibanezmatt13> oh yeah, gorgeous. It's crazy how it was raining hard near Manchester about an hour ago
[09:02] <G6SUQ_Graham> good luck for the launch, seems lk
[09:02] <G6SUQ_Graham> like it will be a busy day for flights
[09:02] <ibanezmatt13> yep should be fun :)
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> Just setting up the chase car now. I hope I fixed that Yagi correctly...
[09:03] <G6SUQ_Graham> none of todays flights are coming near me in London, so I wont be chasing today
[09:04] <ibanezmatt13> You should get something when we're high up no?
[09:05] <G6SUQ_Graham> for an elsworth launch it should take abt 20 mins for the blue-line to reach me
[09:06] <G6SUQ_Graham> major panic in last 2 days as desktop PC has gone t/u, so Im using a laptop ... hastily install all the software etc, hope it works
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[09:12] <ibanezmatt13> Looking at a laptop all the way down the M6 is a bad move. Back soon :P
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[09:26] <malgar> what do you think about diamond mr77?
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[09:40] <chrisstubbs> Morning
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[09:41] <fsphil> morn!
[09:41] <x-f> forenoon!
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[10:03] <amell> is matt at elsworth yet?
[10:04] <UpuWork> he'll be close
[10:04] <amell> any idea when he left?
[10:04] <UpuWork> [06:59] <ibanezmatt13> Morning from the M6 southbound :-)
[10:05] <amell> tch, decisions. only one SDR dongle - take to the launch site without internet or leave on at home with internet.
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[10:07] <mfa298> I'd probably take it with you, if it's at home with internet but not properly configured its of little use to anyone.
[10:07] <amell> ok.
[10:08] <chrisstubbs> Flight doc posted in #habhub for approval
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[10:36] <chrisstubbs> having a hard time soldering to this battery :(
[10:37] <eroomde> clean the surface thoroughly with IPA
[10:37] <eroomde> then rough it slightly with wet/dry paper
[10:37] <eroomde> FLUX
[10:37] <eroomde> and powerful iron with good thermal response and a big fat tip, say 80W
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[10:37] <eroomde> move fast
[10:37] <chrisstubbs> I keyed it with a file, will try some IPA
[10:37] <eroomde> a powerful iron is probably the important bit
[10:38] <eroomde> as the metalwork on the battery can just wick away the heat otherwise and you'll have no joy - you'll just slowly boild the electrolites within
[10:38] <eroomde> boil*
[10:38] <G6SUQ_Graham> IPA? ... you mean beer?
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[10:39] <eroomde> yep that's the one
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[10:39] <eroomde> i find actually (not so much for batteries) that printer paper is great for cleaning up contacts before soliding
[10:40] <eroomde> it's slightly abrasive, and slighty acidic
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[10:40] <G6SUQ_Graham> any rough-ish paper sould be okay
[10:40] <eroomde> so it's great for cutting rid of oxide and grime layers before soldering
[10:40] <eroomde> sure, i say printer specifically cos it's usually got a bit of acid in
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[10:44] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: isn't the signal overmodulated? I get quite a lot of bad frames and the signal looks ugly on the waterfall
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[10:45] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: it might be my overloaded receiver but don't suppose so
[10:46] <SP3OSJ> Rozstaw filtry na wiesze (mark i space) zakres np 214Hz
[10:48] <SP3OSJ> sp2ipt: where you live? (gdzie mieszkasz?)
[10:49] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: Gdansk
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[10:49] <SP3OSJ> Gdansk city?
[10:50] <SP3OSJ> Moment I looking
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[10:53] <SP3OSJ> sp2ipt: All is OK. Please corecct DF-FLdigi Configure/Modems/RTTY/Receive filter bandwith (no auto) only ~200Hz
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[10:55] <Neil_M0CJM> morning all
[10:55] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: it it NOT OK http://sztormik.com/temp/sp3osj_001.jpg
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[10:56] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: looks like overmodulated RTTY signal as usual in digimodes on HF bands
[10:56] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: or my receiver is heavily overloaded. But adding 15 dB attenuator does not cause the signal to get clearer
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[10:57] <malgar> do you have a copy of an "ask for NOTAM" used for a latex HAB? I would like to compare it with ours
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[10:58] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: will try with 144 MHz LNA for tropo in a few minutes - it's got high dynamic range and I can put easily attenuator after it
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[10:58] <chrisstubbs> malgar, http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/general:met_balloon_release_application_jan_05_.doc
[11:00] <Neil_M0CJM> Tell you what I am confused with all these launches today!
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[11:02] <malgar> chrisstubbs: tnx
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[11:04] <SP3OSJ> sp2ipt: a co masz za odbiornik?
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[11:04] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: RTL 2832 na E4000 wiec nie jest to zadne cudo
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[11:05] <amell_> On site at Elsworth
[11:05] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: sprobuje z LNA YU1AW na BF998, jesli to nie pomoze podlacze Kenwooda TR-751 i zobacze
[11:05] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: BFP196 ;)
[11:05] <SP3OSJ> oo Kenwood is cool!!!!
[11:05] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: wysiada przy IC-202 ;)
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[11:06] <amell_> Matts laptop is bust so that's a good start
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[11:07] <SP3OSJ> I have a Kenwood (Kenwood killim Icom)
[11:07] <fsphil> eek
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[11:07] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: I've got TR-751, TR-851, IC-202. Done tests comparing TS-2000, FT-857, TR-751, IC-202
[11:08] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: IC-202 beats everything :) 9 dB more sensitivity (with changed first transistor)
[11:09] <SP3OSJ> OK I Joke
[11:09] <sp2ipt> I know :)
[11:09] <M6KIK> Have I missed any l
[11:09] <M6KIK> aunchesw
[11:09] <sp2ipt> suprisingly FT-857 turned out to be quite good (compared to TR-751) and TS-2000 is just crap :/
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[11:10] <M6KIK> Neil_M0CJM, hello
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[11:11] <M6KIK> So
[11:11] <M6KIK> Is there anything trackable today?>
[11:11] <mikestir> aura looks like it's just gone up
[11:11] <G6SUQ_Graham> no launches yet, but 5 expected today, all trackable
[11:11] <chrisstubbs> cheapo is having its antenna put on now
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[11:14] <mikestir> wow. aura2 just coming up on the waterfall already
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[11:16] <amell_> Having trouble with the laptop here. Signal is too strong
[11:16] <mikestir> on rtlsdr?
[11:16] <mikestir> turn the gain down
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[11:18] <G6SUQ_Graham> getting some odd/intermitemt sigs from AURA2
[11:18] <amell_> Just putting the strings on the payload
[11:18] <SP3OSJ> sp2ipt: powieksz te filtry! Teraz patrze na ten screen i masz je za waskie
[11:19] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: teraz mam juz szersze, ale sam sygnal zle wyglada - nie powinno byc tych prazkow obok
[11:19] <mikestir> decent sigs here now
[11:19] <mikestir> syu
[11:19] <mikestir> suffering a lot of QRM though
[11:20] <M6KIK> Not sure Ill be able to get any of these
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[11:20] <M6KIK> This is a crap setup after all
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[11:22] <Neil_M0CJM> M6KIK
[11:22] <Neil_M0CJM> Hiya
[11:22] <mikestir> I'm getting so much ISM crud this morning
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[11:23] <M6KIK> Neil_M0CJM, how's life on the other side of Oakley?
[11:23] <Neil_M0CJM> sp2ipt You not happy with TS2000? Mines great here
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[11:23] <Neil_M0CJM> M6KIK Same as ever, no change! Still trying to chat Stephanie up in shop and spend to much time and ££ in Barley Mow
[11:24] <Neil_M0CJM> Is Aura2 on freq?
[11:24] <G6SUQ_Graham> AURA2 is on 434.421 approx
[11:24] <Air_> I'm looking at the spacenearus map and wonders what the green ring is, vs the blue ring.
[11:25] <Neil_M0CJM> Ahh Aura2 on 434.423.41 here
[11:26] <Air_> just heard a blip there 434.42371
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[11:26] <mikestir> green ring is 5 degrees elevation iirc
[11:27] <Air_> OK, and blue is exprected recievable frequency?
[11:27] <Air_> oops distance
[11:27] Nick change: Nn_ -> MatB
[11:27] <mikestir> blue is 0 degrees
[11:27] <Air_> ok
[11:28] <MatB> And that's 5 degrees and 0 degrees at current altitude?
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[11:29] <mikestir> yes, assuming the listener is at sea level I think
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[11:29] <MatB> What's my best bet for trying to receive something today - audio cable from an old AOR AR-3000, or an EZTV SDR dongle?
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[11:30] <mikestir> ar3000
[11:30] <MatB> saves a lot of messing with the SDR then :)
[11:32] <MatB> and if only I had a decent antenna :)
[11:32] <mikestir> the sdr will suffer from strong local sigs if you don't have a filtered preamp, although it will work
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[11:33] <Air_> what data mode is it?
[11:33] <mikestir_2E0MXS> rtty
[11:33] <sp2ipt> Neil_M0CJM: I've tried working a few times in N(SP) Activity Contest, and other contests - it was a real pain
[11:33] <Air_> what setting RTTY?
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[11:33] <M6KIK> Might call it a day
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[11:34] <sp2ipt> Neil_M0CJM: audio quality was just driving me crazy
[11:35] <mikestir_2E0MXS> Air_: 50 7n2, 425 shift. just select AURA2 and press auto-configure in dl-fldigi
[11:35] <cm13g09> Neil_M0CJM: damn Ofcom giving you my M0 callsign ;)
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[11:37] <Neil_M0CJM> cm13g09 Sorry :-)
[11:37] <MatB> stupid question - is there any way to make dl-fldigi's window any taller? ie. a longer waterfall?
[11:39] <G6SUQ_Graham> MatB, sadly not, limited waterfall size
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[11:39] <mikestir_2E0MXS> you can slow it down, but that's all
[11:40] <Air_> got it!!!
[11:40] <G6SUQ_Graham> well done Air ... whereabouts are you, anyway; what town/city?
[11:41] <Air_> Newbury, it's faint, but I am in a flat with small antenna.
[11:41] <G6SUQ_Graham> > Air, ah, okay
[11:41] <Air_> Huge QRM issues here for me.
[11:41] <obcuz> Monitoring Aurora2 FLDigi is giving incorrect distance bearing and elevation - way out, why?
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[11:42] <G6SUQ_Graham> the lat.long being sent by Aura" is not the correct format
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[11:42] <obcuz> ah- right - thanks
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[11:43] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: mozesz zrobic zrzut ekranu jak u Ciebie wyglada sygnal?
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[11:43] <ibanezmatt13> launch in about 15 mins guys
[11:44] <ibanezmatt13> We're gonna track NORB up so when NORB comes in range BRON should too
[11:44] <chrisstubbs> good luck matt
[11:44] <obcuz> Aura - is it the decimal ','
[11:44] <ibanezmatt13> cheers Chris :)
[11:44] <chrisstubbs> cheapo will be about 30 mins from now
[11:44] <ibanezmatt13> cool
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[11:45] <Air_> I am hearing a lot of squeeks on this frequency I've never heard before. odd
[11:45] Nick change: Air_ -> M1DLG
[11:45] <mikestir_2E0MXS> obcuz: it looks like it's just lat/long *100000, so no decimal
[11:46] <M1DLG> loosing AURA2 now
[11:47] <MatB> Yay, got a string through
[11:47] <G6SUQ_Graham> you're doing better than me! good signal but no decodes; suspect crappy laptop or soundcard
[11:47] <amell_> Seeing the pictures?
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[11:48] <MatB> considering the lash up I've got I'm suprised I'm getting anything. Moving to the west side of the house helped though :)
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[11:49] <mikestir_2E0MXS> G6SUQ_Graham: post a screenshot of dl-fldigi
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[11:50] <G6SUQ_Graham> mikestir_2E0MXS: nowhere to post it! I'm ok with dl-fldigi, been using it for 16 months
[11:50] <amell_> Inflating
[11:50] <amell_> See pic URL
[11:52] <amell_> http://imgur.com/1z2JrFc
[11:53] <amell_> Norb2 will be off very shortly
[11:53] <MatB> amell_: what's this about seeing the pictures - sending something i can decode?
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[11:55] <amell_> Look at imgur
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[11:57] <MatB> i see that, it was your comment <amell_> Seeing the pictures? I was curious of
[11:57] <amell_> http://imgur.com/EJWceyt
[11:57] <amell_> Can you see the pic? It might be private
[11:57] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: have to go out, bbl
[11:57] <MatB> can see it now
[11:59] <amell_> http://imgur.com/jQ82M0V
[11:59] <amell_> Norb is off
[11:59] <ibanezmatt13> LAUNCH
[11:59] <amell_> Please report
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[12:01] <chrisstubbs> cheapo going up in 2
[12:01] <G6SUQ_Graham> when the signal from NORB gets in range I will swap from AURA2
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[12:02] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: locally?
[12:02] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs_mob: is this a local launch?
[12:02] <cm13g09> which side are you of me?
[12:03] <G6SUQ_Graham> its a local launch for local people
[12:03] <chrisstubbs_mob> Danbury
[12:03] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs_mob: so the right side of me then ;)
[12:03] <cm13g09> (I'm back for the weekend ;) )
[12:03] <chrisstubbs_mob> get your setup ready ;)
[12:03] <chrisstubbs_mob> going over the road now,
[12:04] <cm13g09> given that I was just about to pack my desktop to take it to Soton with me tomorrow.....
[12:04] <cm13g09> bit tricky ;)
[12:04] <malgar> what's your payload?
[12:04] <G4AIU-Eugene> Getting high levels of short-burst QRM which block AURA2 sigs briefly - have not heard this interference before
[12:05] <M1DLG> G4AIU thats what I'm hearing.quite high frequency squeeking that drifts in frequency. On the waterfall looks like a thin "C" shape.
[12:05] <G6SUQ_Graham> getting NORB sigs now, but no decodes just yet
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[12:06] <M1DLG> Funnily enough on same frequencies I expect to see the RTTY data
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[12:06] <G6SUQ_Graham> NORB2 green! yay!
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[12:07] <G4AIU-Eugene> M1DLG - that is correct - will try to get a screen shot if possible
[12:07] <chrisstubbs_mob> up
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[12:08] <chrisstubbs_mob> heading NW by the looks of it
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[12:09] <mikestir_2E0MXS> oh aura2 has burst
[12:10] <M1DLG> :(
[12:10] <mikestir_2E0MXS> or is it a cutdown?
[12:10] <mikestir_2E0MXS> there's a flag in the telemetry
[12:10] <M1DLG> was enjoying this. still trying to get FLdigi to talk to my rig tho
[12:10] <aadamson> from the looks of it's telem, it's a cutaway
[12:10] <ibanezmatt13> Can someone try and get BRON, I can;t hear it any longer but I hear NORB :/
[12:11] <mikestir_2E0MXS> trying to land on the M54
[12:11] <M1DLG> oops :p
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[12:14] <M1DLG> Still hearing (well seing ) AURA on the waterfall, cant decode it though
[12:15] <M1DLG> well not well
[12:15] <obcuz> aura2 very strong <8miles should track to ground
[12:15] <M1DLG> I'm trying to get fldigi to rtalk to my rig but nothing works :(
[12:15] <mikestir_2E0MXS> perhaps not the best landing site for aura
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[12:17] <amell_> HL1 leaving in a min or so. Very powerful signal...
[12:18] <ibanezmatt13> Cool amell, we're quite worried about BRON
[12:18] <amell_> Well seeing as it's tied on not too much to worry about!
[12:19] <aadamson> BRON is nowhere to be found on the waterfall from the websdr in the UK as a point of reference, I looked around the spectrum just to see if maybe it's frequency moved
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[12:19] <ibanezmatt13> I've tuned around too, nothing
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[12:20] <Neil_M0CJM> NORB2 loud here!
[12:21] <ibanezmatt13> great! Still no BRON :/
[12:22] <ibanezmatt13> We had it on the way up at 1.5km then switched to NORB
[12:22] <ibanezmatt13> now gone
[12:22] <chrisstubbs> craag, nice graphs on habmap
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[12:22] <G6SUQ_Graham> Im not getting bearing/distance to NORB on fldigi, but I have set my lat/long/alt
[12:23] <aadamson> it looks like a better shift for NORB2 is going to be 460+/- hz btw
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[12:26] <amell_> Calling in HL1 - launching now
[12:27] <G6SUQ_Graham> which one is HL1 then? don't know about that one
[12:27] <amell_> Xaben
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[12:28] <G6SUQ_Graham> ah, okay, thanks
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> is NORB2 ok, struggling now
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> got it back
[12:28] <G6SUQ_Graham> i've got an end-stop sig from NORB2
[12:28] <amell_> Iand it is off
[12:28] <chrisstubbs> you have about 7 receivers ibanezmatt13, nice ascent rate. all loooks good
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[12:29] <ibanezmatt13> thanks chrisstubbs, I'm crap at tracking
[12:29] <amell_> Very strong from HL1
[12:29] <ibanezmatt13> I really need BRON in case mine fails
[12:29] <RocketBoy> hl1 away
[12:29] <aadamson> NORB2 is just fine
[12:29] <G6SUQ_Graham> more like 14 receivers for NORB
[12:30] <aadamson> very strong on the websdr
[12:30] <PE2G> What's the dial for NORB2 pls?
[12:30] <G6SUQ_Graham> .550
[12:30] <PE2G> Thanks, G6SUQ_Graham
[12:31] <G6SUQ_Graham> actually, might be more like .551-plus a little bit
[12:31] <PE2G> Ok
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[12:31] <chrisstubbs> UpuWork, CHEAPO is flying with the chip antenna in sideways configuration btw, working pretty well!
[12:32] <chrisstubbs> 25g payload 4g free lift for those interested. brb
[12:32] <aadamson> a foil chrisstubbs ?
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[12:33] <amell_> Hearing hl1 ok?
[12:33] <aadamson> thought I saw that somewhere
[12:33] <chrisstubbs> aadamson, yep
[12:33] <aadamson> the typical 36" version like LeoBodnar flies?
[12:34] <Neil_M0CJM> No flight docs for cheapo
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[12:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> GA to all
[12:35] <MatB> picking up some of HL1 here in Northampton but not a full decode. Is there a good reason why only plain text is being sent - wouldn't it be useful to have some FEC?
[12:35] <aadamson> chrisstubbs, just curious of it's size for that weight, are you flying a foil simialr to what LeoBodnar flies?
[12:35] <ibanezmatt13> please flight mode please, work with me and be enabled at 12km, please
[12:35] <amell_> Slow ascent. Steve ran out of gas. Should be ok he reckons
[12:36] <Neil_M0CJM> Cheapo Ok here in Basingstoke
[12:37] <mikestir_2E0MXS> aura landed on houses by the looks of things
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[12:37] <malgar> what's the payload of NORB2? does it have a website?
[12:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> mikestir_2E0MXS: i received a short time aura2 here
[12:38] <obcuz> Aura2 is on the ground - I can still hear tele.. S5
[12:39] <amell_> malgar: A gopro
[12:40] <chrisstubbs> aadamson, yep 36" qualatex
[12:40] <ibanezmatt13> I'm loosing NORB here, though hopefully it' sjust me
[12:41] <Martin_G4FUI> ibanezmatt13, NORB good here in the Lake District !
[12:41] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[12:41] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[12:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> NORB2 is here s7 now strong and stabel
[12:41] <Martin_G4FUI> NP
[12:41] <aadamson> chrisstubbs, interesting. what do you think float altitude will be with that weight... seems both LeoBodnar and Upu shoot for something on the order of 15g with about 1g for free lift
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[12:42] <aadamson> no switch on the flight mode according to telem on NORB past 12m
[12:42] <PE2G> Traces on 434.552.5
[12:42] <chrisstubbs> according to http://bit.ly/15cxXNQ maybe about 5km if im lucky
[12:42] <PE2G> And partials from NORB2
[12:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: he is strong by me so later also by u hihihi
[12:43] <PE2G> Ok, thanks Herman-PB0AHX
[12:44] <ibanezmatt13> is 4m/s normal for that altitude?
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[12:45] <PE2G> First greens at 460 km , -0.5 deg. Which is nice.
[12:45] <PE2G> http://s23.postimg.org/m5ul4xdrf/Screen1367.jpg
[12:46] <fsphil> is there any point in not switching to flight mode immediatly?
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[12:48] <chrisstubbs> I used to wait until lock becuase it was supposed to speed up acquisition, how true that is I dont know
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[12:49] <ibanezmatt13> what shift is NORB?
[12:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: it is nice picture
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[12:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> shift norb2 is 450 here
[12:49] <fsphil> chrisstubbs: what if it's doing that during flight? it won't lock above the limit
[12:49] <bertrik> is NORB2 the one that is currently the HAB with the biggest circle on the map (it's a bit hard to see now)?
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[12:50] <Herman-PB0AHX> bertrik: yes
[12:50] <PE2G> bertrik: Yes
[12:50] <gonzo_> click on it and it will give current/last data
[12:50] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[12:51] <Herman-PB0AHX> NORB2 now s9 here strong no noise
[12:51] <fsphil> how near .550 is it?
[12:51] <obcuz> I am still hearing Aura2 tele, now grounded in someones back garden, have recovery their own GPS feedback?
[12:51] <Herman-PB0AHX> 552.6 here
[12:51] <G6SUQ_Graham> fsphil: I think its on .551
[12:52] <fsphil> this is the problem with not using an SDR. I've only got 2.8khz to see at a time :)
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[12:53] <fsphil> ah I think I see it
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[12:55] <Willdude123> Which of the balloons am I most likely to hear?
[12:55] <mikestir_2E0MXS> norb on 434.552
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[12:57] <Willdude123> Nothing of it
[12:57] <Willdude123> On this crap aerial
[12:58] <MatB> I'm getting a very strong signal on HL1 on a very crap aerial, but depends where you are
[12:58] <ibanezmatt13> Willdude123, if you get BRON I'll send you a free NORB board :)
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[13:00] <amell> hl1 is very strong :)
[13:01] <fsphil> getting partials from norb
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[13:02] <G6SUQ_Graham> I've got a crap aerial, can I have a board too?
[13:02] <fsphil> 470hz shift
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[13:04] <M1DLG> Now hearing NORB2 :)
[13:04] <Neil_M0CJM> NORD2 fine here
[13:04] <M1DLG> Still unable to get rig to talk to PC serial port.
[13:04] <Neil_M0CJM> NORB
[13:04] <M1DLG> Neil your only 20 mile from me :p
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[13:05] <amell> http://imgur.com/jQ82M0V
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[13:06] <M1DLG> Neil can you access GB3NE?
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[13:07] <Neil_M0CJM> M1DLG I would think so
[13:07] <mfa298> M1DLG: serial port? for tracking you generally want to connect the rig audio to the computer and dl-fldigi decodes the audio for you.
[13:08] <mfa298> serial can be useful but only so that dl-fldigi can correct frequency if the transmitter drifts to far.
[13:08] <M1DLG> I'd still like to use FLdigi for data in general, and yes I'd like to push auto configure and let the rig tune
[13:09] <aadamson> chrisstubbs, well look at that... looks like LeoBodnar predictor is gonna be pretty close!
[13:09] <amell> pics from norb2 at http://amell.imgur.com
[13:09] <Neil_M0CJM> I need to set the sub vfo on my ts2000 to 12.5k steps to get gb3ne as main RX decoding NORB2
[13:09] <chrisstubbs> He knows his floaters ;)
[13:10] <fsphil> who's floating?
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[13:10] <M1DLG> neil, I wouldn't worry about it. I was just wondering, your so close :)
[13:10] <mfa298> most data modes work by sending the audio from the radio to the decoder program - even if the radio has some decoding built in you may find the computer software does a better job as it will be updated more often.
[13:10] <aadamson> took me a bit to figure out the chart, but I think I've got it now... for a given payload weight, there will be a mas free lift to avoid burst and a float altitude
[13:11] <aadamson> mas = max
[13:11] <M1DLG> perhaps we may bump into each other at a rally or something
[13:11] <WillTablet> Neil_M0CJM: coverage patchy here
[13:11] <M1DLG> I kind of like teh idea of tracking a balloon or 2 at the Newbury rally, perhaps having a launch from there.
[13:12] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt13: bron?
[13:12] <fsphil> $$LNOxyx%.7?,q -- still weak :)
[13:12] <ibanezmatt13> yeah Willdude123
[13:12] <amell> bron was not as strong as norb2, thought it would be ok though :(
[13:12] <WillTablet> Lemme see where that is
[13:13] <ibanezmatt13> it's an rfm so it probably drifted but I can't see it
[13:13] <Neil_M0CJM> Iwill try for sure later but would hope so
[13:14] <fsphil> or reset
[13:14] <LeoBodnar> chrisstubbs: it would in the night but during the day it stretches up a bit so if it does not burst it can go higher - towards 6000. It's a bit difficult to calculate because of the nonelastic and nonlinear stretching process
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[13:15] <mfa298> M1DLG: there was some talk of trying to do a launch from the Bournemouth rally although various things got in the way of that.
[13:15] <chrisstubbs> looks like its levelling off, vertical rate is dropping off
[13:15] <aadamson> hehe *was* dropping off ;)
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[13:15] <LeoBodnar> yeah, it is fully inflated now and the stretching process started
[13:16] <LeoBodnar> with your details full inflation should be at about 4500m
[13:16] Action: mfa298 wonders if some of the ideas we had for Bournemouth could be done at Newbury
[13:16] Action: mfa298 looks at craag
[13:16] <chrisstubbs> thanks LeoBodnar
[13:18] <craag> mfa298: ?
[13:18] <M1DLG> Not enough time for anything to happen this year, but next year perhaps.
[13:18] <craag> mfa298: When's newbury?
[13:19] <mfa298> there was a comment about doing a launch at the newbury rally. So I wondered if the "bus trip" idea could work for that.
[13:20] <ibanezmatt13> The NTX2B is superb. From 21 deg C to -2 deg C, no change at all
[13:20] <M1DLG> Fathers day
[13:20] <mfa298> 15th June
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[13:20] <M1DLG> Sunday, June 15
[13:20] <M1DLG> lol
[13:20] <eroomde> loadsa time
[13:20] <M1DLG> I had to look it up, i should know this. I'm in the demo tent
[13:20] <Neil_M0CJM> M1DLG I can only get to 145.765 ATM but just heard the repeater S9
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[13:23] <mikestir_2E0MXS> anyone going to the blackpool rally next weekend?
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[13:24] <eroomde> i was amused at the prtests of some rsgb thing when the conf is planned
[13:24] <eroomde> protests*
[13:25] <Laurenceb> yo eroomde: I was going to ask you something
[13:25] <eroomde> there always seems to be some raynet something or pile-up something else taht someone (except hab flyers, usually) will get het-up about
[13:25] <Laurenceb> so I've got this groovy kalman filter based linear actuator thing
[13:25] <eroomde> yuhu
[13:26] <Laurenceb> but it sometimes goes mad
[13:26] <gonzo_> there is a knitting meet that day too!
[13:26] <eroomde> unstable mad?
[13:26] <Laurenceb> due to tiny movements being absorbed within the actuator, so when its trying to estimate the movement to change an applied pressure it get it badl wrong
[13:26] <LeoBodnar> is knitting a new habbing?
[13:27] <Laurenceb> if its been stable and not changing pressure or moving much for a while
[13:27] <eroomde> is it modelling the applied pressure?
[13:27] <G6SUQ_Graham> I believe that Dave Ake's next flight will be with a knitted balloon
[13:27] <Laurenceb> is there some sort of "filter" type technique i can use to inhibit the kalman filter during these processed?
[13:28] <MatB> wow, just realised how little bandwidth i'm getting in over the sound card and need to tune the rx better. duh. getting nlrb through loud and clear now on 434.5530
[13:28] <Laurenceb> yes, it models the elastic properties of the material its in contact with
[13:28] <eroomde> hmm, well the usually go unstable when 1)
[13:28] <Laurenceb> most of the time it works very nicely - it has a model of viscoelasticity, thixotropy and nonlinearity
[13:29] <eroomde> something you're not modelling but usually gets absorbed by process noise gets actually too big
[13:29] <eroomde> 2) linear assumptions break down
[13:29] <eroomde> i don't know of any heuristicy 'ignore this' things
[13:30] <malgar> what does "flightmode" mean in NORB2 telemetry?
[13:30] <Laurenceb> ive tried some really n00b beadband type stuff
[13:30] <Laurenceb> but only for the motion control - it seems a help a little
[13:31] <Laurenceb> maybe i should try to get my head around some kind of deadband pre processor for the kalman inputs
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[13:32] <DL7AD___> morning
[13:32] <DL7AD___> omg
[13:32] <Upu> I suspect its an indication the GPS is in the the airborne mode malgar
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[13:33] <Laurenceb> actually this might be feasible
[13:33] <Neil_M0CJM> Lost NORB2
[13:33] <g7jgq> LeoBodnar as in G27 cables?
[13:33] <Laurenceb> if the preprocessor just caches pressure values if not much has changed
[13:33] <fsphil> NORB signal improving here
[13:33] <fsphil> still gettings lots of errors though
[13:33] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[13:34] <G6SUQ_Graham> getting any decodes phil?
[13:34] <Laurenceb> or the kalman filter is just run in predict mode
[13:34] <LeoBodnar> ah, yes g7jgq
[13:34] <Uggy> Hi, does someone is available for a flight document approval request ?
[13:34] <g7jgq> Excellent use your cables here for iRacing - Brilliant product ;-)
[13:34] <LeoBodnar> cool, i am pleased :D
[13:34] <Upu> yes Uggy
[13:34] <fsphil> G6SUQ_Graham: nearly. a few characters out each time
[13:35] <Uggy> Upu: thx, 8ce16d07089eb9c40347d8407204b0e4
[13:35] <G6SUQ_Graham> I've got plenty of singal here, want me to send you some spare decodes?
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[13:35] <Upu> approved Uggy
[13:36] <MatB> I got this at 434.5215 http://i.imgur.com/xHcqPpC.png Why only one line?
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[13:36] <G6SUQ_Graham> Upu: why is NORB not showing bearing and distance figures?
[13:36] <Upu> I have no idea ask ibanezmatt13 its his payload :)
[13:37] <fsphil> thick cloud cover definitly seems to attenuate the signal a bit
[13:37] <Uggy> Upu: whhhhh so fast :) Thx :)
[13:37] <ibanezmatt13> I've never done that G6SUQ_Graham, never looked into it
[13:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> FUNCUBE is comming now here
[13:38] <G6SUQ_Graham> ibanezmatt13: Im getting plenty of green decodes, by fldigi is not showing the bearing/distance figures. pffft, I suspect its a setting in _my_ fldigi ...
[13:38] <fsphil> norb2 weak again
[13:38] <Upu> oh I see what you mean
[13:38] <Upu> yes interesting not sure
[13:39] <Upu> mine isn't doing it either
[13:39] <ibanezmatt13> don't panic me! :P
[13:39] <LeoBodnar> is it because alt is float?
[13:39] <G6SUQ_Graham> my lat/long and alt is correct ... maybe I need to stop/start fldigi
[13:39] <LeoBodnar> mine does not do it either
[13:40] <LeoBodnar> G6SUQ_Graham: ^^
[13:40] <fsphil> what's the expected altitude for norb2?
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[13:41] <PE2G> G6SUQ_Graham: Did you choose NORB2 (not NORB) on the "Payload" button?
[13:41] <PE2G> *not BRON
[13:42] <G6SUQ_Graham> Doh! I selcted BRON.
[13:42] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[13:42] <fsphil> heh, me too
[13:42] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[13:42] <Upu> oh yeah
[13:42] <LeoBodnar> lol and me
[13:42] <Upu> me too
[13:42] <LeoBodnar> haha
[13:42] <G6SUQ_Graham> (Im still blaming Matt!)
[13:42] <Upu> fail train
[13:42] <LeoBodnar> mass blunder
[13:43] <fsphil> $$ORB2 .. seems appropriate
[13:43] <fsphil> always with the one character out
[13:43] <fsphil> FEC would solve this :p
[13:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> and writing NORB2 again
[13:43] <ibanezmatt13> greens every time here, though I am kinda in the green circle :)
[13:43] <G6SUQ_Graham> ooh, what happened there with NORB, seemed to go all wobbly
[13:43] <fsphil> oh singly woblly
[13:43] <fsphil> burst?
[13:44] <fsphil> signal wobbly*
[13:44] <ibanezmatt13> still going up
[13:44] <fsphil> nope
[13:44] <fsphil> turbulance
[13:44] <Upu> see if it changes direction
[13:44] <Willdude123> eroomde, how was your journey yesterday?
[13:44] <LeoBodnar> *turbalance
[13:45] <fsphil> $$$ORB3 ... that was fast
[13:46] <fsphil> gone again
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[13:47] <LeoBodnar> chrisstubbs: good news full stretch is about 6800m bad news it 5% over bursting pressure
[13:47] <LeoBodnar> *is
[13:47] <chrisstubbs> drat
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[13:47] <LeoBodnar> but this is all so much "estimated"
[13:48] <LeoBodnar> we'll wait and see
[13:48] <fsphil> yay, full string from norb2 at last
[13:48] <ibanezmatt13> woo
[13:48] <Upu> just as it bursts probably :)
[13:48] <Upu> what balloon is it ibanezmatt13 ?
[13:48] <ibanezmatt13> 1200g HW
[13:48] <ibanezmatt13> H2
[13:48] <Upu> ok got a few more km in it yet
[13:49] <ibanezmatt13> yup :)
[13:49] <fsphil> 494km
[13:49] <LeoBodnar> how many people have observed the launch?
[13:49] <ibanezmatt13> just 1 apart from us
[13:49] <fsphil> lol
[13:49] <LeoBodnar> will go to to 48km - no sweat
[13:49] <Upu> ce senior
[13:49] <Laurenceb> this should be interesting
[13:50] <ibanezmatt13> I thought you weren't joking then Leo :)
[13:50] <LeoBodnar> not sure if you are in on that joke
[13:50] <PE2G> fsphil: Nice. 476 km here
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[13:52] <ibanezmatt13> So you reckon NORB chase should head to landing prediction upon burst?
[13:52] <fsphil> you should be heading that way now probably
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[13:53] <G6SUQ_Graham> it's not exactly far, is it
[13:53] <ibanezmatt13> my Dad reckon's we should stay put, I'm not sure
[13:53] <ibanezmatt13> any recomendations accepted :)
[13:54] <Upu> stay where you are
[13:54] <Upu> until it bursts
[13:54] <LeoBodnar> well why would you want not to move now?
[13:55] <Upu> you're only down the road
[13:55] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[13:55] <ibanezmatt13> I am what you could call a novice, I only get to drive in a few months :P
[13:55] <G6SUQ_Graham> at least wait until it makes the predicted turn
[13:55] <fsphil> lovely signal now
[13:55] <fsphil> getting most lines
[13:56] <G6SUQ_Graham> opposite here, scrappy signal, mostly reds
[13:56] <Neil_M0CJM> NORB back to life here
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[13:56] <ibanezmatt13> I'll be happy if we beat our record of 35.5km
[13:56] <MatB> gotta go out, damn. will be back later to see how close HL1 ended up near me.
[13:57] <fsphil> there you go, 35.6
[13:58] <bertrik> NORB2 is now being used as a live demo of HABbing at the open day of our hackerspace :)
[13:58] <ibanezmatt13> woo
[13:58] <G6SUQ_Graham> I hope that everyone is impressed
[13:58] <ibanezmatt13> Not bad for our first PCB tracker :)
[13:58] <fsphil> 36km
[13:59] <fsphil> wow
[13:59] <fsphil> here we go
[13:59] <ibanezmatt13> wow
[13:59] <fsphil> wobbly signal
[13:59] <M1DLG> I'm 37 and I can't yet drive. shouldnt stop you doing anything
[13:59] <Upu> pop
[13:59] <ibanezmatt13> BUST
[13:59] <fsphil> down she goes
[13:59] <ibanezmatt13> steady as a rock
[13:59] <fsphil> hey smooth signal again
[14:00] <fsphil> nice
[14:00] <ibanezmatt13> awesoem
[14:00] <jcoxon> nice to see a proper launch
[14:00] <jcoxon> none of these silly picos :-p
[14:00] Action: Upu points at CHEAPO :)
[14:00] <ibanezmatt13> haha, hey I'm starting those soon :P
[14:00] <fsphil> so true
[14:01] <Upu> next Friday
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[14:01] <Upu> 2 Picos 2 1600g an H2 come see your daddy
[14:01] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[14:01] <ibanezmatt13> guys why is the predicted landing like miles away from before, will that adjust?
[14:01] <malgar> ibanezmatt13: are you the owner of NORB2?
[14:01] <ibanezmatt13> yup
[14:01] <Upu> just hang fire ibanezmatt13
[14:01] <Upu> it will sort out
[14:01] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[14:02] <Upu> when it gets to about 10km
[14:02] <ibanezmatt13> I am eating a burger at burger king car park getting greens, the life :)
[14:02] <Upu> lol
[14:02] <fsphil> before it didn't know the descent rate
[14:02] <ibanezmatt13> ah yea, I thought it took it into acount though
[14:02] <Upu> I don't know how far away you are as google have remove the scale but it doesn't look too far
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[14:02] <fsphil> it would have used a pre-defined decent rate
[14:02] <fsphil> up until it knows the actual value
[14:03] <ibanezmatt13> so we can head to oundle and expect it to be roughly there then?
[14:03] <Upu> I'd go sit in Oundle
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[14:04] <ibanezmatt13> cool, moving now
[14:04] <fsphil> yea
[14:04] <Upu> cheapo coming down ?
[14:04] <fsphil> it won't be too far from their
[14:04] <ibanezmatt13> We're definitely relying on some good radio trackers for low altitude
[14:04] <ibanezmatt13> ie not me
[14:04] <aadamson> opps, looks like ya found max alitude on CHEAPO
[14:04] <Upu> remember to check if BRON is still on
[14:04] <ibanezmatt13> will do
[14:05] <fsphil> you'll be fine
[14:05] <Upu> if it is bin that antenna
[14:05] <Upu> yeah CHEAPO coming down
[14:05] <ibanezmatt13> I can see it now, farmer claims possession of go pro...
[14:05] <chrisstubbs> aw :(
[14:05] <ibanezmatt13> aww chris, sorry dude
[14:05] <chrisstubbs> close estimation LeoBodnar
[14:05] <Upu> thieft by finding
[14:06] <Upu> theft even
[14:06] <aadamson> it musta sprang a leak cuz it's not coming down very fast
[14:06] <Upu> they tear
[14:06] <aadamson> yeah
[14:06] <M1DLG> When you approch the issue you can do so by stating initally that it was transmitting video too. Can make them fear that it was still recording on the ground.
[14:06] <aadamson> need a self *healing* balloon for this pico's :)
[14:07] <M1DLG> And that it might have good video of the finder.
[14:07] <ibanezmatt13> haha, good idea
[14:07] <aadamson> this = these
[14:07] <G6SUQ_Graham> could you construct a double balloon - one latex inside another?
[14:07] <M1DLG> no direct out right acusatioins, but leave an address for the finder to post it to you
[14:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> NORB2 people many tnx good flight
[14:08] <M1DLG> also write on the box that it has a live video feed home so you can see it when it's found.
[14:08] <M1DLG> ...in future
[14:08] <LeoBodnar> sorry chrisstubbs, next time use 1-2g free lift
[14:09] <chrisstubbs> will do!
[14:09] <G6SUQ_Graham> the farmers are normally pretty good about these things
[14:11] <ibanezmatt13> stopped here
[14:11] <mfa298> it's the dog walkers you need to look out for.
[14:11] <ibanezmatt13> I mean we've parked up, not NORB :P
[14:11] <Upu> have your camera ready on video record ibanezmatt13
[14:11] <Upu> +100 points for capturing it landing
[14:11] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: the signal isn't clear - I've tested high linearity LNA (YU1AW BFP196) and the signal is overmodulated
[14:11] <ibanezmatt13> haha, we won't see it here surely
[14:12] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: my setup http://sztormik.com/temp/sp3osj_005_lna.jpg
[14:12] <Upu> if you do you won't get it for long so just record
[14:12] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: http://http://sztormik.com/temp/sp3osj_004_lna_cw.jpg CW signal
[14:12] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: http://sztormik.com/temp/sp3osj_002_lna_20db.jpg with 20 dB attenuator at the end
[14:12] <Upu> landing on your car atm
[14:13] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: http://sztormik.com/temp/sp3osj_003_lna_40db.jpg with 40 dB attenuator at the end
[14:13] <ibanezmatt13> yep
[14:13] <ibanezmatt13> very big trees here
[14:13] <G6SUQ_Graham> you have your chainsaw?
[14:14] <ibanezmatt13> not quite :P
[14:15] <ibanezmatt13> prediction has moved a lot
[14:15] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: first frame gets decoded properly, the second usually not
[14:15] <G6SUQ_Graham> boy-scout pen-knife with rusty blade? may not be enough...
[14:15] <ibanezmatt13> we have a stanley knife
[14:15] <ibanezmatt13> y'all think we're still in the right place?
[14:15] <chrisstubbs> I would say so, close to the road over the river if it decides to go accross
[14:16] <Upu> I'd stay put
[14:16] <ibanezmatt13> christ there's a huge cow next to us in this field
[14:16] <Upu> haha
[14:17] <G6SUQ_Graham> he's the target for landing
[14:17] <ibanezmatt13> I wouldn't say that, he's a big heffa
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[14:18] <ibanezmatt13> looks like it's settling on those fields further down
[14:19] <ibanezmatt13> nevermind, I'm panicing too much
[14:19] <G6SUQ_Graham> he's probably upset because you were eating his brother-in-law at your burger stop
[14:19] <Upu> haha
[14:19] <Laurenceb> whats HL1 flying?
[14:19] <Upu> don't chase the prediction
[14:20] <ibanezmatt13> anybody know the land elevation here?
[14:21] <chrisstubbs> 50m ish at your chase car location
[14:21] <ibanezmatt13> latitude come's first right?
[14:21] <ibanezmatt13> ie, 52. is lat?
[14:21] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: if you use http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/ you can change it to OS maps which will give you the contours
[14:22] <ibanezmatt13> ta
[14:23] <ibanezmatt13> 49m
[14:23] <ibanezmatt13> or ft
[14:23] <ibanezmatt13> coming down very fast still
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[14:25] <ibanezmatt13> it still likes those fields
[14:25] <ibanezmatt13> Upu, stay put still?
[14:25] <Upu> yeha
[14:26] <ibanezmatt13> k
[14:26] <chrisstubbs> hope it waves to RAF molesworth
[14:26] <Upu> probably bringing the ballon back with it
[14:26] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
[14:27] <mfa298> if you're getting a good signal where you are then it's definetly worth staying there as you're in a good location to get to various places.
[14:27] <ibanezmatt13> My Dad's getting ready to put coordinates in the iphone, should we wait?
[14:27] <Upu> yeah wait
[14:27] <Upu> chill Desmond
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[14:27] <ibanezmatt13> haha, I'm sorry
[14:27] <ibanezmatt13> excited/nervous
[14:27] <ibanezmatt13> and crap at navigating
[14:27] <Upu> drive to Roman Road NOW CHLOE DAMMIT NOW
[14:28] <Upu> its so hard to call it
[14:28] <ibanezmatt13> that's miles away
[14:28] <Upu> I generally wait till its down
[14:28] <Upu> I'd go back down the A605
[14:29] <Upu> then turn to Titchmarsh
[14:29] <Laurenceb> fields north of A14
[14:29] <Upu> prediction has been fairly consistant
[14:29] <Upu> and there is track close to it
[14:29] <Laurenceb> Thrapston road
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[14:30] <Upu> driving yet Matt ? :)
[14:30] <Upu> I love balloon chasing...when I'm sat at home
[14:30] <G6SUQ_Graham> yeah, easy isnt it!
[14:31] <SP3OSJ> sp2ipt: Balon jest blizej do Gdanska niz do Pily. Wiec masz mocniejszy sygnal. Ja nie mam poroblemow z dekodowanie. Co nie oznacza ze modulacja jest doskonala.
[14:32] <Upu> you want to be recieving it locally ibanezmatt13
[14:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> i lost NORB2
[14:32] <ibanezmatt13> I know
[14:32] <ibanezmatt13> Driving now
[14:32] <ibanezmatt13> fast :)
[14:32] <G6SUQ_Graham> ibanezmatt13: prediction update ... marginally east of the village of Titchmarsh just south of you
[14:32] <Upu> is the yagi ready ?
[14:32] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: mozesz zrobic zrzut ekranu jak u Ciebie wyglada sygnal?
[14:32] <ibanezmatt13> cool thanks
[14:32] <Upu> you're recieving
[14:32] <ibanezmatt13> no we're moving! :)
[14:32] <ibanezmatt13> yep receiving
[14:33] <ibanezmatt13> magmount
[14:33] <M1DLG> Norb2 gone for me now :(
[14:33] <Upu> get to Titchmarsh
[14:33] <Upu> fading for me
[14:33] <ibanezmatt13> 1.7 miles away
[14:34] <G6SUQ_Graham> ibanezmatt13: dont go as far as the A14, go into Titchmarsh village and out the other side
[14:34] <Upu> you have 4 minutes
[14:36] <chrisstubbs> I'd bear right towards polopit at the fork
[14:36] <ibanezmatt13> we're lsot
[14:36] <ibanezmatt13> lost
[14:36] <chrisstubbs> you should have just passed a pub and phone box to your right
[14:37] <SP3OSJ> sp2ipt: http://s21.postimg.org/4udpx6bxz/aaa.jpg
[14:37] <Upu> probably down
[14:38] <Upu> ibanezmatt13 your best bet is back on the A14
[14:38] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: czyli tak samo przewalony :/ IMHO powinienes popracowac nad sygnalem
[14:38] <Upu> A14 turn left
[14:38] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: nie wiem jak go tworzysz, ale normalnie tak wyglada jak nadajnik i/lub modulator sa przesterowane
[14:38] <Upu> come off on TolL bar Lane
[14:38] <Upu> keep left
[14:39] <Upu> come back down the road that runs parallel to the A14
[14:39] <Upu> field has power lines in it
[14:39] <ibanezmatt13> we've stopped
[14:39] <ibanezmatt13> lost
[14:39] <Upu> can you hear it ?
[14:40] <ibanezmatt13> no
[14:40] <SP3OSJ> mozliwe, ale wszyscy odbieraja wiec nie ma chyba takiej potrzeby. To jest plytka 2cm na 3cm i wazy 2g (bez baterii)
[14:40] <Upu> answer your phone
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[14:41] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: i tak i nie, jesli sygnal bedzie lepszy da sie go dluzej odbierac
[14:41] <malgar> nobody is receiving the signal of NORB2 now?
[14:41] <malgar> what's the typical range of a balloon when it is on the ground?
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[14:42] <chrisstubbs> malgar, it can range from 100-1000m depending on whats in the way and the terrain
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[14:42] <G6SUQ_Graham> and whether it was damaged in the landing
[14:42] <Upu> bython
[14:42] <Upu> molesworth
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[14:43] <malgar> an upside aerial on the balloon could be useful?
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[14:45] <Upu> its ok he just heard it as he drove up the A14 but the road down to it has a gate
[14:45] <Upu> ibanezmatt13 get a final position then try get it
[14:45] <SP3OSJ> Tylko to jest SSB tutaj lekkie przemodulowanie moze wplywac korzystnie na odbieranie ramki slabego sygnalu. Zobaczysz ze pociagne z odbiorem poza niebieski krag. (jak nie pojde spac). Co ja pisze, przeciez tu nie ma modulacji tutaj sa dwie nosne przelaczane miedzy soba.
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[14:47] <malgar> suggestion: add an OpenStreetMap layer to the tracker maps
[14:47] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: przemodulowanie na SSB nigdy nie dziala pozytywnie - to sa zludzenia :)
[14:47] <chrisstubbs> malgar, http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/
[14:47] <chrisstubbs> os maps too
[14:47] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: najlepiej zawsze odbiera sie bardzo waski czysciutki sygnal
[14:47] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: tylko trzeba dokladnie z czestotliwoscia sie ustawic, ale AFC powinno dac rade
[14:47] <mfa298> although OS maps only help in the UK (we've not taken over the world yet!)
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[14:49] <SP3OSJ> Ja zawsze krzycze do dalekich stacji jak mowie szepterm to mi nie odpowiadaja. To samo jak telefonuje.
[14:50] <chrisstubbs> Hows it going ibanezmatt13?
[14:50] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: ale w SSB to sie przeklada na poziom mocy. Jak bedziesz krzyczal z nadajnikiem nadajacym na szerokosci 2 kHz dolecisz dalej niz (z ta sama) moca jadac na 4 kHz
[14:50] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: tu jest roznica :)
[14:50] <Upu> he's trying to get access to the field I think
[14:50] <ibanezmatt13> can't hear anything
[14:50] <malgar> chrisstubbs: wonderful! I just wonder if exist a wiki page about all these links
[14:50] <Upu> interesting
[14:50] <Upu> try the mag mount antenna ibanezmatt13
[14:50] <Upu> and try BRON too
[14:50] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: mam tak z TR-751 - sygnal jest bardzo waski, ale idzie ladnie :)
[14:51] <Upu> that track looks like public right of way but best worth asking first
[14:51] <SP3OSJ> ale IC202 lepszy?
[14:51] <Upu> have a walk down with the radio
[14:51] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: odbiornik tak, nadajnik podobny (ale oczywiscie mniejsza moc)
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[14:52] <SP3OSJ> Pomimo niskoszumowych gasfetow wspolczesne odbiorniki nie daja rady tym starym?
[14:53] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: w IC-202 tez mam GaAsFETa zmienionego na wejsciu :) tyle, ze tam nie szumi PLL, bo go nie ma
[14:53] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: oczywiscie jest problem ze stabilnoscia i znajomoscia czestotliwosci - najlepiej mierzyc IF i obliczac sobie gdzie jestes
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[14:54] <SP3OSJ> czyli najlepsy to wspolczesny odbiornik i vxo
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[14:54] <malgar> ibanezmatt13: news?
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[14:55] <Upu> let him locate his payload
[14:55] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: owszem, jesli ma byc wyczynowy VHF/UHF to trzeba zrobic transverter - oscylator na OCXO z RDDS, mieszacz wysokopoziomowy i dobre radio KF
[14:56] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: http://ok1uga.nagano.cz/trv.htm
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[14:56] <chrisstubbs> looks like he just got a position
[14:56] <StudentDeNayer> Hi i got a question about the cpu i should use : i had a avr atmega 328p but i need to replace this one with a pic but got not clue wich one to take and to find code for this with rfm22b and a neo 7 (gps )
[14:57] <daveake> Why do you *need* to use a pic?
[14:57] <daveake> Most people use whatever they're familiar with
[14:58] <StudentDeNayer> cause the avr can't be delivered in time
[14:58] <StudentDeNayer> and my promoter is "forcing" me to use it
[14:58] <chrisstubbs> forcing anyone to use PIC must be against human rights
[14:59] <LeoBodnar> what do you mean "find the code"?
[14:59] <SP3OSJ> ok
[14:59] <LeoBodnar> can't you write it yourself?
[14:59] <daveake> I bet you can get an AVR in less time than it takes to port your code from avr to pic
[14:59] <daveake> or indeed write from scratch
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> you can simulate AVR on FPGA
[15:00] <Upu> ibanezmatt13_ is walking down the track
[15:00] <daveake> UsefulAnswersRUs ?
[15:00] <daveake> :)
[15:00] <Upu> I'm afk a few
[15:01] <chrisstubbs> StudentDeNayer, what country are you from? someone may know a supplier
[15:01] <StudentDeNayer> Belgium
[15:01] <mfa298> there's enough places that sell the various ATMegas you should be able to get something pretty quickly unless you're living in Timbuctoo.
[15:01] <StudentDeNayer> Ye i think he's using it as the excuse to let me use pic i have to order trough him
[15:01] <daveake> Do you need a chip for a pcb you're designing, or do you want something on a board?
[15:02] <mfa298> If you can't get an ATMega328p it may be better to look for an alternative ATMega rather than changing to PIC (assuming you've got some code already working for the ATMega)
[15:02] <daveake> 'cos I bet you can order an Arduino for delivery Monday or Tuesday
[15:02] <StudentDeNayer> Both but i've made the pcb aleady so i can use the chip
[15:02] <chrisstubbs> what package? DIP or TQFP?
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[15:03] <daveake> So you think you can get a pic and get the pcb laid out and manufactured in less time than it takes to get an AVR?
[15:03] <daveake> 'cos I *highly* doubt that
[15:03] <StudentDeNayer> Thats what i think aswell, and i have no xp with pic
[15:04] <LeoBodnar> it's a good opportunity to get some xp
[15:05] <LeoBodnar> so i suggest use PIC, redo the board and write your own software
[15:05] <daveake> I have nothing against pics (well aside from instruction set and the bank switching and....) but if you already have a board it seems mad to not use it
[15:07] <g8khw_tab|> Your looking at the wrong pic then dave
[15:08] <daveake> Sorry couldn't resist :-)
[15:08] <daveake> I've used some much better pics
[15:09] <LeoBodnar> AVR is a good PIC
[15:09] <g8khw_tab|> Well almost as good
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[15:10] <daveake> Yes but which PIC? There are zillions of different ones
[15:10] <amell_> Has Matt found his gopro yet?
[15:10] <g8khw_tab|> Avrs seem to be just as querky from what ive seen
[15:11] <StudentDeNayer> Thanks for the help i'll look further into it
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[15:13] <g8khw_tab|> Not sure thats a dissadvantage dave - they all seem to be optimised for this or that - just a matter of looking through the specs for the right one
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[15:14] <g8khw_tab|> I knew I should have done somthing about the poer
[15:15] <g8khw_tab|> Power connector in the car
[15:15] <g8khw_tab|> Smell of burning
[15:15] <g8khw_tab|> All melted and brown
[15:16] <daveake> No not a disadvantage, as you can probably find one fairly optimal for the job
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[15:16] <daveake> Oh, what connector?
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[15:17] <g8khw_tab> Bloody cigaret connector for the maac
[15:17] <daveake> ugh
[15:17] <daveake> they are horrible
[15:18] <g8khw_tab> Nursing it back to charging with my knee
[15:19] <g8khw_tab> B*gg*r its gonna float
[15:20] <daveake> looks like it
[15:20] <daveake> Matt said you ran out of gas?
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[15:21] <g8khw_tab> Yep
[15:21] <g8khw_tab> Not a hwoyee though
[15:23] <daveake> ok
[15:24] <g8khw_tab> Reminisant of xaben13 which darn near crossed the whole of england
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[15:26] <g8khw_tab> Yea
[15:26] <g8khw_tab> Phew
[15:26] <gonzo_> hl1 looks and sounds bursty
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[15:28] <g8khw_tab> Bbl
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[15:30] <Upu> NORB recovered
[15:30] <G6SUQ_Graham> excellent
[15:30] <amell_> Fab was bron still attached?
[15:31] <Upu> yes and transmitting
[15:31] <Upu> looks like antenna
[15:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> congrats with recovery Upu
[15:31] <Upu> oh I'm just sat at home with a cuppa :)
[15:31] <eroomde> i don't think upu recovered it Herman-PB0AHX :p
[15:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok but he is recoverd thats wth count
[15:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> now Hl1
[15:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> o go dinner tnx all was a nice bolon day for me the antennes working fine here
[15:33] <gonzo_> CHEEPO looke like it;s doing a bit of hedge brushing
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[15:35] <G6SUQ_Graham> CHEAPO it trying to creep-up om Amell
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[15:36] <amell_> Is it? Not at home unfortunately
[15:41] <chrisstubbs> whoop! go cheapo!
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[15:46] <chrisstubbs> G0WXI you are doing very well!
[15:46] <tweetBot> @NORB_HAB: NORB 2 recovered with awesome GoPRo images!!! Thanks to all amazing trackers and @AnthonyStirk for last second directions :D #ukhas #hamr
[15:47] <fsphil> ah, good news
[15:48] <Upu> I mentioned he's 2 miles from HL's predicted landing spot
[15:48] <Upu> dunno if he caught the subtle hint he's quite excited
[15:48] <fsphil> lol
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[16:14] <tweetBot> @NORB_HAB: OH WOW! :D #ukhas http://t.co/rSXXqceob7
[16:15] <fsphil> haha
[16:15] <Upu> that is a great shot
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[16:16] <eroomde> gopro?
[16:16] <amell_> Snus keeps crashing safari on iPad/iphone
[16:16] <amell_> There was a gopro in the payload of norb2
[16:16] <tweetBot> @NORB_HAB: OH WOW! :D 36KM from NORB 2! #ukhas http://t.co/SqlfQjzSqm
[16:16] <eroomde> not the cleanest of bursts either
[16:16] <eroomde> amell_: habhub.org/mt
[16:16] <eroomde> ure welcome
[16:17] <eroomde> amell_: indeed - can tell from the ridiculous distortion which, in this case, happily looks like earth curvature
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[16:19] <amell_> With that distortion looks like it flew higher than ISS :)
[16:20] <amell_> The mt is also crashing safari. Strange
[16:21] <eroomde> yes
[16:22] <eroomde> maybe sheer volume
[16:22] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/4BxjYWB.jpg
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[16:23] <Upu> Safari on ithings dies when there are more than a certain number of points
[16:24] <amell_> That's helpful
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[16:25] <chrisstubbs> get chrome of firefox on it
[16:25] <chrisstubbs> or cuddykid's app
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[16:28] <ibanezmatt13> evening all
[16:28] <Upu> hey ibanezmatt13
[16:28] <Upu> did you go after Steve's ?
[16:28] <ibanezmatt13> thank you to all as always! Couldn't have done it otherwise :)
[16:28] <amell_> Hey ibanezmatt13 where's the pics? :)
[16:29] <ibanezmatt13> No Upu, where is it?
[16:29] <ibanezmatt13> God we should have stayed
[16:29] <Upu> about a mile or so from yours
[16:29] <ibanezmatt13> amell, my Twitter, @NORB_HAB
[16:29] <ibanezmatt13> damn
[16:29] <amell_> Couldn't Steve get it himself?
[16:29] <Upu> ofc
[16:30] <amell_> I could collect tomorrow if it's still txing. Busy now
[16:30] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13: fsphil de-gopro'd your image
[16:30] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/4BxjYWB.jpg
[16:30] <mfa298> it's always fun to beat the official chase team to the landing spot :p
[16:30] <ibanezmatt13> Awesome, thanks fsphil !
[16:30] <ibanezmatt13> cheers Ed
[16:31] <ibanezmatt13> well, I think we can safely say that NORB's first PCB tracker was a success. I have a micro SD full of data like temp, humidity. voltage etc. Time to wack it in the Python script and make some graphs"
[16:32] <amell_> Did you work out what happened to bron?
[16:32] <amell_> I can't remember if it was above or below norb on the string
[16:32] <malgar> ibanezmatt13: congratulations :)
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[16:33] <Upu> Bron was a duff antenna
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[16:34] <tweetBot> @AnthonyStirk: NORB's image "degpro'd" via @fsphil http://t.co/HNvtSAr5fm #ukhas
[16:35] <ibanezmatt13_> :)
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[16:45] <Laurenceb> what was HL-1 flighting?
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[16:48] <chrisstubbs> Any idea who G0WXI is?
[16:48] <malgar> when a balloon is launched, are airplane trajectoies changed or pilots are just alerted about the balloons and nothing changes?
[16:48] <eroomde> the latter
[16:49] <eroomde> the notam in theory is an exclusion zone
[16:49] <eroomde> but no one sems to take much notice
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[16:53] <fsphil> or are attracted to the notam
[16:54] <fsphil> almost a guarantee to have a small aircraft flying overhead at launch
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[16:56] <malgar> because we just got an answer by the air traffic service (ATS) of our area and they said that there are flight routes above our area. Now we have to send this answer attached to the notam request to Italian Civil Aviation Authority for final approvation
[16:56] <malgar> and I'm a bit scared by ATS answer
[16:57] <eroomde> where in italy are you?
[16:57] <malgar> eroomde: http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/valsugana/
[17:00] <eroomde> very calm conditions
[17:00] <eroomde> you're also close to a lot of borders if you want to try somewhere else :)
[17:00] <eroomde> the swiss always seem super-relaxed about rules
[17:00] <eroomde> i remember being surprised how easy it was to get permission for an experimental robotic blimp to fly around davos
[17:01] <malgar> this is a school project and we can't change the location without changing the aim of the launch
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[17:27] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, Upu - Summary of TSP61200 vs. LTC3526L - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/Boost%20Controller%20output.txt
[17:29] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, Upu - tail end of graph of the tps61200 - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/TPS61200.jpg
[17:30] <aadamson> because I rolled my own logging, I did it a different way on the LTC, same data, but didn't have a pretty chart for it :)...
[17:30] <Upu> the LTC is slightly better in my testing
[17:30] <Upu> better = more efficient
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[17:31] <aadamson> based on this testing, both of them exceeded their published specs for the low voltage end and in my test *probably at a different load value*, the tps, beat the ltc, but only by a smidge - .56v to .64 (both of which are way down the rapid decreasing slope of an alkaline
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[17:32] <aadamson> using a lithium would probably make them much closer as the fall off curve is MUCH quicker
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[17:33] <aadamson> For me it simply proved that *either* can be made to work... with the same results
[17:33] <aadamson> what would be interesting is a more *load appropriate test*... I'll do that later on once I get actual hardware up and functional
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[18:04] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: spodziewasz sie kolejnych progow temperatury przy ktorych kwarc znowu skoczy?
[18:05] <SP3OSJ> Jest to mozliwe
[18:05] <sp2ipt> tyle to i ja wiem, chodzilo mi raczej o antycypowanie progu zdarzenia. Jak narazie skoczyl 1kHz w dol (albo po otwarciu okna SDR mi sie ochlodzil ;) po zajsciu slonca
[18:06] <disruptivetech> aadamson: Where around ATL, I'm in Cumming?
[18:07] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: no i wydluzyl sie juz odstep miedzy ramkami jak pewnie zauwazyles
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[18:13] <Upu> Cheapo recovered
[18:13] <chrisstubbs> :O
[18:14] <Upu> you lot are rubbish at loosing GPS and radio modules
[18:14] <chrisstubbs> hahaa, who by ?!
[18:14] <Upu> mailing list
[18:15] <aadamson> disruptivetech, buford
[18:15] <aadamson> up the the lake
[18:15] <disruptivetech> HA
[18:16] <disruptivetech> Your aiming for a Pico style project?
[18:16] <aadamson> yes, among other things
[18:16] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: a teraz przyspieszyl - ramki leca co 30 s zamiast co 1 min
[18:16] <Upu> aadamson did you say if you're going to the GPSL this year ?
[18:16] <aadamson> Nah, not this year...
[18:16] <Upu> ok
[18:16] <aadamson> I'm just a newbie trying to get my feet wet :)
[18:16] <Upu> Bill Brown will have one of my trackers there
[18:16] <aadamson> or dry or something
[18:17] <Upu> he's doing a talk on picos
[18:17] <aadamson> balloon slicked up or some such
[18:17] <sp2ipt> SP3OSJ: teraz wrocil do normalnego rytmu
[18:17] <aadamson> btw, was aura2 recovered ok?
[18:18] <aadamson> right now disruptivetech, I"m trying to bring up new hardware that is bucking the norm... not an avr design, and 32 bit stm32l1 at the moment, and I"m trying a bunch of new things
[18:19] <Upu> not sure
[18:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Evening all looks like I miised a few today :-(
[18:21] <Upu> yup :)
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[18:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not even any flightds tomorrow either Oh well I'll just enjoy the Sun in that case:-)
[18:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Oh nice burst shot on NORB
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[18:34] <malgar> what's the meaning of BRON module on NORB2?
[18:34] <aadamson> it's a palindrome... NORB = BRON
[18:35] <aadamson> beyond that there were 2 separate balloons, BRON started out and wasn't heard from after about 1.5km... (unless something happened later...)
[18:36] <malgar> well.. I meant the purpose, not literally the meaning of the word :P
[18:36] <disruptivetech> aasamson: Designing a Rpi based payload, hoping for an Sept launch window with the local HAM club and some students
[18:36] <aadamson> Ah, very good.. W7QO here btw...
[18:36] <disruptivetech> kk4cld
[18:37] <disruptivetech> The intent is to build something a little more robust, get thru the first flight then hope for payload trains of student stuff and get 3 or 4 flights out of it
[18:37] <aadamson> sounds like a fun project...
[18:38] <disruptivetech> Well like some many "jobs" it be awesome without the "customers" :-P
[18:38] <aadamson> yeah, you got that part right!
[18:38] <mfa298> malgar: I think BRON was just a backup for NORB as NORB was a new design
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[18:40] <mfa298> disruptivetech: I'm not sure many here would use the word robust to describe an RPi payload
[18:41] <disruptivetech> Mostly was referring to to the amount of data and sensors that are hoped to be serviced
[18:41] <disruptivetech> To each their own
[18:41] <Upu> *cough* http://imgur.com/a/edbM1
[18:42] <disruptivetech> Cool, somehow the great google never got that one in my search results
[18:42] <aadamson> ah boo hiss, there is spi on the rPi, where is the si4xxx chip :)...
[18:43] <mfa298> disruptivetech: they've been used but for simple telemetry they're somewhat overpowered and there's several things that can go wrong easily (SD card falling out, system overheating etc.)
[18:43] <sp2ipt> Upu: ROTFL 5 mins in -20 deg of work ;)
[18:43] <Upu> what the Pi ?
[18:44] <Upu> they are way hardier than you think
[18:44] <sp2ipt> don't tell me they're better than uP with custom code :)
[18:44] <Upu> well the camera is way better
[18:44] <sp2ipt> ok, the camera prolly is :)
[18:44] <disruptivetech> The SD thing is the least of my concerns, we have the ability to do shake and thermal tests
[18:45] <sp2ipt> my bad
[18:45] <Upu> with the exception of the SD card which is an easy fix they are pretty robust
[18:45] <eroomde> i just bought a computer vision camera
[18:45] <eroomde> god, you pay a lot
[18:45] <eroomde> just for lossless picture transmission and a bit of control over the exposure and frame rate
[18:46] <disruptivetech> At some point I might switch to a cubie, which has integrated NAND on board
[18:47] <eroomde> they're also mostly firewire which makes embedded a bit harder
[18:47] <mfa298> Wait until you're working with lots of Pi's then say they're robust. I don't think I've had a clean boot of the >80 pi's I'm using yet.
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[18:48] <eroomde> without the oblig pc104 jokes, the hardiest embedded thing I've ever used was a core 2 duo board from ADL
[18:48] <eroomde> adl-usa.com
[18:48] <eroomde> their support was also excellent
[18:48] <eroomde> we dumped this thing into a glacial waterfall, crashed it into avelanche fields, and rebooted it many thousands of times in a high-emi environment, with me fiddling with it without static precautions
[18:49] <eroomde> the only time it crashed was because of my crap kernel-space additions
[18:49] <disruptivetech> I have 2 Pi and 2 Cubie's and haven't had any stability issues. Most of the boot or pure stability issues I've seen to this point with the other guys I know that have them are power supply related.
[18:49] <disruptivetech> Not to say any of these paltforms don't have their issues
[18:49] <disruptivetech> Not a fanboy
[18:49] <eroomde> the version a pi's put me off big-time
[18:50] <eroomde> constant brownouts if you did anything so presumptuous as plug in something to usb
[18:50] <aadamson> even the b's that problem still eroomde
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[18:51] <disruptivetech> Yeah, all of my peripherals are always off of a powered hub, with the exception of the WiFi or BT4 adapter in the second USB slot on the board
[18:51] <aadamson> I use them all the time for an internet linking project (digital radio) and of all of them the BBB is by far my favorite and it's much more powerful than the Pi too... it is minus a few glam features and costs more, but for a headless box, it's pretty hard to beat
[18:52] <eroomde> i like the bbb too, though i am nto a huge user of either
[18:52] <disruptivetech> e-link or dstar?
[18:52] <eroomde> but the bbb is much better designed
[18:52] <eroomde> and the cpu is better
[18:52] <disruptivetech> One would hope its a much later design
[18:52] <aadamson> disruptivetech, neither (you will *NEVER* catch me on d-star!)... NXDN, I have 3 repeaters in atlanta all linked via allstar on analog, and NXDN on digital
[18:53] <eroomde> the great promise of pi's - the ecosystem that will let everyone go from logo to kernel-hackers, has yet to materialise much, it seems
[18:53] <aadamson> whoa, if only it were that easy - logo -> kernel hacking :)
[18:53] <mfa298> the Pi makes a good payload if you want to link the PiCam to it but if it's just a basic telemetry / sensors system then a dedicated microcontroller (AVR/Pic) is likely to be much more stable
[18:53] <eroomde> aadamson: there is obviously a small amount of stuff in the gap :)
[18:54] <tweetBot> @NORB_HAB: Another nice pic from the burst, spectacular footage! More to come on Flickr later #ukhas :D http://t.co/yNltmCtgLp
[18:54] <eroomde> there must be a gap for a super-awesome into to computer science and programming for teens
[18:54] <eroomde> which seems like the prime time
[18:54] <eroomde> like SICP but assuming less knowledge of calculus and so on for all the motivating examples
[18:55] <disruptivetech> uuummm, the perspective of that shot seems to be looking down at the parachute as if separated from its line
[18:56] <disruptivetech> But very cool
[18:57] <eroomde> disruptivetech: immediately after burst it's wildley chaotic
[18:57] <aadamson> Upu, capacitance on the 34450a?
[18:57] <aadamson> seems they left if off the 34461a :(
[18:57] <eroomde> oooh what did a miss?
[18:57] <eroomde> debugging measurement problems is my favourite
[18:57] <Upu> capacitance
[18:57] <Upu> but I have an LCR meter anyway
[18:57] <aadamson> eroomde, probably nothing, I'm in the market for a DMM and Upu planted a seed
[18:57] <disruptivetech> Yeah, the video footage from our first two flights was all over the place too
[18:57] <eroomde> oh
[18:58] <aadamson> I want something that I can easily do dataacquisition with as well
[18:58] <eroomde> well i had this chat with upu t'other day
[18:58] <Upu> eroomde remotely spent my money
[18:58] <eroomde> i think any of them will do that, it's probably just a question of precision/resolution
[18:58] <aadamson> hacking and stm32f3 to do it isn't my idea of good use of my time :).. .might have been fun, but not good use
[18:58] <eroomde> the 34461 is great if you want in-unit logging and histograms
[18:58] <aadamson> yeah, but no capacitance measurement :(
[18:59] <eroomde> if you can use a usb cable and python then it's neither here nor that between that and the 34401
[18:59] <eroomde> which is what i have
[18:59] <eroomde> yeah, high end stuff never does capacitance
[18:59] <eroomde> it needs a separate instrument really
[18:59] <aadamson> yeah, compromise, but could be useful once in a while... 34401's seem to be cheap on ebay too
[19:00] <eroomde> well i guess a lot of testing environments might be upgrading to the 34461
[19:00] <eroomde> the thign is, i wouldn't get a 6.5 digit thing that i wasn;t going to buy/get calibrated
[19:00] <eroomde> as at that accuracy it's a bit pointless unless you're going to spend the money keeping it calibrated
[19:00] <aadamson> yeah, understood on that topic.
[19:00] <eroomde> so i'd be suspicious of a 2nd hand one
[19:01] <eroomde> or rather, a 2nd hand one that might not be cheaper once cal is added than a new one
[19:01] <eroomde> i keep it calibrated as we sell things where we need a cal certificated with a traceable instrument used to calibrat it, so it's a no-brainer
[19:01] <eroomde> for home use, i'm not sure if the $300/yr (or whatever it is) i could justify
[19:02] <aadamson> for calibration.. yeah...
[19:02] <aadamson> I'm stuck betwee wanting a bench PS and DMM and doing that via rigol or just a DMM via agilent :)
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[19:03] <eroomde> well, there are several fans here of the 6632b psu
[19:03] <eroomde> as there seems to be a seam of them on ebay for super-cheap
[19:03] <eroomde> they're going for about $150 on ebay-uk
[19:03] <eroomde> which is <10% retial price
[19:04] <eroomde> you'll want a decent dmm to keep *those* calibrated though, as they're good to mV settings :)
[19:04] <eroomde> might be worth getting a 2nd hand 34401 and some kind of standard
[19:05] <eroomde> vishay 0.005% resistors are about $50/each
[19:05] <eroomde> and there's a guy on eevblog who often gets recommended for cheap voltage standards
[19:05] <aadamson> good feedback, looks like about $250 (one) to $500 in the US... at a fast past glance on ebay
[19:05] <eroomde> you can hear the fan-noise though
[19:05] <eroomde> on the 6632b
[19:06] <eroomde> so i wouldn't give up my nice old 10-turn pot psu for everyday use, as it's silent
[19:06] <aadamson> ah, only gpib remote controllabe?
[19:06] <eroomde> no, serial works fine
[19:07] <eroomde> scpi or whatever it's called
[19:07] <aadamson> hehe serial... such 80's technology wasn't even thinking of that :)
[19:07] <eroomde> even in 50 years, i hope thigns will still come with a serial debug
[19:07] <aadamson> watch out looks like LeoBodnar gonna go flying again :)
[19:07] <mattbrejza> still decades older than gpib...
[19:08] <eroomde> i do like the look of the 34461
[19:08] <eroomde> but
[19:08] <eroomde> 30s boot time!
[19:08] <eroomde> for a multimeter!?
[19:08] <eroomde> what the hell
[19:08] <Laurenceb> lolz
[19:08] <mattbrejza> hope it doesnt run windows...
[19:08] <eroomde> i'd need to have my fluke to hand at all times for quick measurements, lest i go out of my mind
[19:08] <eroomde> it does
[19:09] <eroomde> windows ce
[19:09] <Laurenceb> heh
[19:09] <mattbrejza> well that explains it
[19:09] <aadamson> eroomde, yea I saw that! talk about 80 tech :)
[19:09] <eroomde> that's whay i like the 34401
[19:09] <eroomde> turn it on, and it's on
[19:10] <aadamson> and there's always those *tubes* :)...
[19:10] <eroomde> i have never gone back as far as valve test equipment
[19:10] <eroomde> but i do like the early stuff
[19:10] <eroomde> i like being able to fix it
[19:11] <eroomde> wouldn't mind one of the old tek 'portrait' valve scopes though
[19:11] <aadamson> sri, I meant the VFD in the 34401 :)
[19:11] <eroomde> like the 545 (i think?)
[19:11] <eroomde> oh that!
[19:11] <eroomde> yes they don't last forveer
[19:11] <eroomde> which is why i like that it turns on quickly
[19:11] <eroomde> so i don't get into the habit of just keeping it on all day
[19:12] <aadamson> hehe... LeoBodnar got a prediction for B-42?
[19:12] <aadamson> coming my way maybe?
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[19:19] <tweetBot> @NORB_HAB: My nice little Python script has turned the NORB board data into something awesome: #ukhas http://t.co/nUGF9majgA
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[19:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Argh need an approver for B-42 otherwise my aerials won't auto track!
[19:26] <Upu> approved
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[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> sometimes you are smarter afterwards
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> I think I have to do a 2.1 version of my board
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[19:33] <malgar> when B-42 will be launched?
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[19:35] <ibanezmatt13> Any ideas on the best way to transfer 16GB of data from a laptop to a PC avoiding pen drives?
[19:35] <enkidu> ftp?
[19:35] <enkidu> netcat?
[19:36] <enkidu> rsync / ssh/ smb/nfs
[19:36] <ibanezmatt13> erm, ftp not a bit flow?
[19:36] <mattbrejza> remove laptop hdd and put into pc
[19:36] <ibanezmatt13> slow*
[19:36] <ibanezmatt13> bit tricky mattbrejza :P
[19:36] <mattbrejza> well depends on the laptop
[19:36] <mattbrejza> generally theyre very easy to get out
[19:36] <enkidu> if you have slow ftp... I had transfers around 120MB/s
[19:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> network connection?
[19:37] <ibanezmatt13> hmm
[19:37] <mattbrejza> transfer via fldigi
[19:37] <ibanezmatt13> haha, no thank you, had enough of that for a day! :D
[19:39] <aadamson> ibanezmatt13, did you figure out how come the flightmode didn't change or did it and telem didn't update?
[19:40] <aadamson> and what is the advantage/not of this discussed flightmode change (gps config change?)
[19:40] <ibanezmatt13> not sure what you mean aadamson, flight mode seemed to work perfectly. You mean like bearing's and stuff?
[19:41] <ibanezmatt13> basically, with Ublox at 12KM and above they don't work unless you enable this flight mode
[19:41] <ibanezmatt13> So I was just hoping to god my code would work when it got to that point :)
[19:41] <aadamson> no and maybe I missed it. you had said that FM was suppose to change at 12K... so the FM=1 was a change from FM=0 at launch?
[19:41] <aadamson> I somehow thought that FM=1 at launch too, but maybe I was wrong
[19:42] <aadamson> I was in and out this am watching the activities
[19:42] <ibanezmatt13> Erm, I'm not really sure :) Someone might know
[19:42] <ibanezmatt13> I just know the flight mode was a crucial stage at 12KM, that was all I'm sure
[19:43] <aadamson> ok, sorry, not trying to confuse anyone... in telem, at least all that I saw FM was always equal to 1
[19:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> On NORB you have a parameter called Flightmode ?
[19:43] <aadamson> as it shows now
[19:43] <aadamson> you kept talking, this morning about it changing, but I don't think it ever did in telemetry
[19:44] <aadamson> I guess I should go look at the history and see...
[19:44] <ibanezmatt13> yes Geoff-G8DHE-M, I was sending the result of checking flight mode was enabled so I could be sure it wouldn't fail
[19:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah right
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[19:45] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde: ping
[19:46] <aadamson> yes, ibanezmatt13, the entire flight shows FM=1 so how were you able to tell that it actually switched vs. was on the entire time?
[19:46] <ibanezmatt13> FM=1, where is this?
[19:46] <ibanezmatt13> definitely norb?
[19:47] <aadamson> norb2 right?
[19:47] <aadamson> flightmode=1
[19:47] <ibanezmatt13> yes
[19:47] <ibanezmatt13> ah flight mode
[19:47] <aadamson> go look on spacenear
[19:47] <aadamson> and it was 1 the entire flight
[19:47] <ibanezmatt13> I thought you meant FM as in frequency modulation
[19:47] <aadamson> sorry, shorthand
[19:47] <ibanezmatt13> yeah of course, flight mode = 1 means flight mode is set
[19:47] <aadamson> fm = flight mode
[19:47] <ibanezmatt13> flightmode = 0 is bad
[19:47] <ibanezmatt13> thankfully never happened
[19:47] <aadamson> ok, I guess I'm just confused
[19:48] <aadamson> I saw a post from you when the vehicle was at 11K and you say something to the effect of FM better change at 12K.
[19:48] <aadamson> that made me think that it wasn't prior and yet the telemetry showed 1 the entire flight
[19:48] <aadamson> so was curious why the hope it would change?
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[19:50] <ibanezmatt13> haha oops
[19:50] <ibanezmatt13> sorry, in the midst of the confusion I really meant, I hope flightmode works, kinda thing
[19:51] <aadamson> ok, at the time, I purposely watched it go through 12K just to make sure something changed and it never did, hence the query.
[19:51] <aadamson> but no worries, I just wasn't sure
[19:53] <ibanezmatt13> hmm interesting: http://pbrd.co/1h6FHFQ :)
[19:53] <ibanezmatt13> that's quite the curve
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> a payload with a camera?
[19:54] <aadamson> slower going up than down, more time to cool
[19:54] <ibanezmatt13> yes SpeedEvil
[19:55] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I think the GoPro froze, it failed at 10km above ground. I don't mind though, unbelievable pics1
[19:55] <ibanezmatt13> !
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[19:56] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:56] <malgar> could you suggest me a temperature sensor that could work even at -60 -70 °C? to put outside the payload
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> Thermocouple?
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Combined with an internal ds18b20, an opamp, and an ADC, and you're done.
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Type K gives about 41uV/C - which is quite a lot
[19:57] <enkidu> diode or PN junction of transistor, but you have to scale it
[19:58] <aadamson> b-42 is away
[19:58] <malgar> you wrote three unknown words for me :P
[19:58] <malgar> I really would like something "almost plug and play" with arduino
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.maximintegrated.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/7953 - works just like a ds18b20
[19:59] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13: pong
[19:59] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde, navigate to Twitter and check out the matplotlib python graphs from the HAB data, pretty cool
[19:59] <ibanezmatt13> And not on the Twitter, there's the weird temp curve: http://pbrd.co/1h6FHFQ :)
[20:00] <eroomde> very good!
[20:00] <eroomde> you can see the correlation with temperature and a sudden increase in humidity
[20:00] <eroomde> from condensation
[20:00] <ibanezmatt13> yes
[20:00] <ibanezmatt13> what a good do! :)
[20:00] <eroomde> your voltage measurement looks a bit noisy
[20:01] <ibanezmatt13> hey the pictures are absolutely stunning. Yeah it does, I noticed that in testing though. I don't think my analog reading function was very good
[20:01] <eroomde> lots of things you can do about that
[20:01] <eroomde> rc filter, longer adc integration time, turn off nearby clocks, etc
[20:02] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I'm pleased with the general decreasing voltage, shows it was working to some extent
[20:02] <ibanezmatt13> I've never seen my Dad so excitied, apart from looking at rocket things
[20:02] <chrisstubbs> did you use a voltage divider ibanezmatt13?
[20:02] <chrisstubbs> congrats on the flight by the way :)
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[20:03] <ibanezmatt13> Erm, no chrisstubbs
[20:03] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks! :)
[20:03] <ibanezmatt13> Since it was < 3.3v I don't think we bothered
[20:04] <ibanezmatt13> perhaps should have done, I dunno
[20:04] <ibanezmatt13> So where it landed, we got told by a neighbour of the guy who own's the farm that he was a horrible git and she said we're better sneaking in. So we did exactly that! I let my Dad go get it from the field :)
[20:04] <malgar> :D
[20:04] <eroomde> ha, that's happened to us once before, i think
[20:04] <ibanezmatt13> And the most unbelievable thing happened
[20:04] <ibanezmatt13> We saw the miserable guy looking at us in his window with binoculars!
[20:04] <malgar> LOL
[20:04] <malgar> and the rifle?
[20:05] <ibanezmatt13> At that point, we just legged it back to the car and took off before he had chance to shoot us, so just missed the rifle :)
[20:05] <mikestir_2E0MXS> lol. send him a nice big print of one of the good pics
[20:05] <malgar> :P
[20:05] <mikestir_2E0MXS> with a note saying thanks for not shooting us
[20:05] <ibanezmatt13> My Dad was more up for setting his field on fire, but he contained himself
[20:06] <ibanezmatt13> Haha, he said to me "right Matthew, the plan is, I'll go and get it and if we see him, you leg it onto the A14 and I'll thump him round the smacker" was very funny
[20:07] <ibanezmatt13> I'm still pondering the various methods of getting pics from one PC to another, lol
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[20:08] <eroomde> sneakernet
[20:08] <ibanezmatt13> huh?
[20:08] <eroomde> a pair of trainers and a hard drive
[20:08] <ibanezmatt13> ah :)
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[20:09] <eroomde> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet
[20:09] <LeoBodnar> couriers made billions shipping tapes and floppies around the world in 80's
[20:09] <ibanezmatt13> haha, awesome
[20:10] <ibanezmatt13> I'm sure we have a portable hard drive knocking about
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[20:11] <eroomde> sneakernet is how i do big stuff at work
[20:11] <eroomde> as my home connection is 100Mbit
[20:11] <eroomde> and work's connection is 1MBit on a good day
[20:11] <eroomde> between 5 people
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[20:11] <ibanezmatt13> wow
[20:11] <G6SUQ_Graham> I see that Leo is flying again ... is it on .500 as usual?
[20:11] <amell_> Upgrade required perhaps
[20:11] <amell_> Hey ibanezmatt13 good flight :)
[20:12] <ibanezmatt13> Yep amell_ wen't very well!¬
[20:12] <mikestir_2E0MXS> lol. my cut off at work was about 800MB. At that point it was quicker for me to kick the download off at home over the vpn and drive home to pick it up
[20:12] <ibanezmatt13> BRON was still txing by the way
[20:12] <ibanezmatt13> Must have been a dodgy antenna
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[20:12] <amell_> ibanezmatt13: Some pics for you at amell.imgur.com
[20:12] <ibanezmatt13> tbh I thought it had fallen off
[20:12] <ibanezmatt13> thank you very much amell_ ! Appreciate it very much :)
[20:13] <ibanezmatt13> crikey I need a hair cut this week
[20:13] <LazyLeopard> Sneakernet latency is a bit variable, but the bandwidth's usually good. ;)
[20:13] <amell_> You drove off at speed in the chase car so stayed to help Steve launch HL1
[20:13] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, we seem to always be in a rush :) We'll slow down after a few more HABs I'm sure :P
[20:14] <ibanezmatt13> I think it's just the eagerness
[20:14] <amell_> Who were you with? Didn't catch his name.
[20:14] <ibanezmatt13> My Dad, name is Adrian
[20:14] <ibanezmatt13> the driver :)
[20:14] <amell_> Cool. Handy to have a driver :)
[20:15] <ibanezmatt13> Oh yea definitely.
[20:15] <ibanezmatt13> HL1 recovered ok? Slow ascent rate
[20:15] <amell_> Steve thought he wasn't going to be able to launch as he ran out of gas. It was ok in the end
[20:15] <ibanezmatt13> Gave Steve a call but couldn't get to him
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah I felt a bit guilty using all his H2 :P
[20:16] <amell_> Just enough lift. So off it went
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> cool, recovered?
[20:16] <amell_> I don't know
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> :/
[20:17] <amell_> I had to rush off as I told wife I was only going to be an hour. A fair tongue lashing when I got home :)
[20:17] <G6SUQ_Graham> matt, when do we get to see the videos
[20:17] <ibanezmatt13> well, tonight is celebration night. So I get to stay up late and go through shots
[20:17] <mikestir_2E0MXS> dial for b-42?
[20:17] <ibanezmatt13> Tomorrow, should have plenty vids and pics on, will tweet :)
[20:18] <G6SUQ_Graham> okay, and post the tweet address (or whatever its called) on UKHAS
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[20:18] <ibanezmatt13> yeah sure it's @NORB_HAB
[20:18] <amell_> B42 ? Oh gosh.
[20:18] <G6SUQ_Graham> mikestir_2E0MXS: Leo's flights (B-xx) usually use 434.500, but TX only every 5 minutes
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[20:19] <mikestir_2E0MXS> yeah but does it have pips?
[20:19] <G6SUQ_Graham> I have not heard anything from B42 yet
[20:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> That is the normal
[20:19] <mikestir_2E0MXS> and if not, does it have RXID? (i.e. can I go away and leave it running)
[20:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> That is the normal
[20:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Thats what I am relyingon
[20:21] <ibanezmatt13> right, time for a beer and some looking at photos. Thanks again to all who tracked, I'll try my best to get some stuff up tomorrow. Night! :)
[20:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> However going North it might not get over the horizon for my aerials at home
[20:22] <G6SUQ_Graham> seems to be a typical Leo-launch - no warning, no details
[20:22] <amell_> Where is b42 headed? Not Iran I hope
[20:23] <mfa298> I'd assume wherever the wind takes it.
[20:23] <amell_> :P
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[20:51] <Upu> 434.500 for B-42 ?
[20:51] <G8KNN> yup
[20:51] <G8KNN> very weak though
[20:53] <Upu> about to say I can't see it at all
[20:54] <G8KNN> I've not managed a green yet.
[20:54] <G8KNN> Can only sometimes just hear the pips
[20:54] <Upu> looks like its coming right over me
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[20:55] <G8KNN> You should be OK then :)
[21:01] <Upu> got it
[21:01] <G8KNN> well done!
[21:01] <Upu> FCD+ on without a habamp can't see it
[21:01] <Upu> on same antenna
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[21:02] <G8KNN> Not up to Leo's usual standards :(
[21:05] <Upu> right habamp fitted to the FCD+
[21:05] <Upu> and there it is
[21:05] <Upu> so that answers does an FCD+ need a habamp
[21:06] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[21:07] <Upu> got some local hams talking ...
[21:11] <mikestir_2E0MXS> Upu: got an accurate frequency for the pips?
[21:13] <Upu> 434.500
[21:13] <mikestir_2E0MXS> bang on?
[21:13] <Upu> yup
[21:13] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I have a continuous tone that wanders around near there. It's a couple of hundred Hz higher, but it's probably knocking the AGC down
[21:14] <Upu> its hard to see
[21:14] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I think I just heard the data
[21:14] <Upu> just tx'd
[21:15] <mikestir_2E0MXS> almost inaudible
[21:15] <Upu> you can hardly see it
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[21:17] <Upu> rsid now
[21:17] <Upu> tx now
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[21:19] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/P8xoK8a.jpg
[21:19] <Upu> not even visable on the 817 though I can hear the pips
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[21:19] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I can just hear the pips now
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[21:21] <mikestir_2E0MXS> got partial decode that time
[21:21] <mikestir_2E0MXS> it's not even visible on the waterfall
[21:21] <Upu> I know
[21:21] <Upu> the fec modes are ace :)
[21:22] <Upu> mind you its 80km from me
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[21:23] <Upu> if I had a solar panel I'd send one up to join it
[21:23] <mikestir_2E0MXS> it does seem very weak
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[21:26] <Upu> got a habamp mikestir_2E0MXS ?
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[21:27] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[21:27] <mikestir_2E0MXS> yes but it's connected to the yagi in the loft
[21:27] Nick change: lizzy -> Guest11123
[21:27] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[21:27] <mikestir_2E0MXS> you reckon it helps?
[21:27] <Upu_M0UPU> yup
[21:27] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I'm using an ar8200, not the rtlsdr
[21:27] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm using an FCD and an FCD Pro+
[21:27] <Upu_M0UPU> both with habamps on
[21:28] <mikestir_2E0MXS> my X30 doesn't completely clear the house. I think the best thing to do is to get it up to the chimney if it ever stops raining, and maybe swap it for an X50
[21:29] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I'd put a habamp masthead if I didn't want to use it for tx as well
[21:29] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah that is something I'm considering
[21:30] <mattbrejza> rf relays easy to get hold of?
[21:30] <mikestir_2E0MXS> they're not cheap
[21:31] <mattbrejza> well there are enough in radios by the sounds of things
[21:31] <mattbrejza> although those might be on the HF side
[21:31] <mikestir_2E0MXS> a lot of radios seem just to use normal relays
[21:31] <mikestir_2E0MXS> even at VHF
[21:31] <mattbrejza> how do radios keep tx/rx seperate? look in the manual and copy :P
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[21:32] <mikestir_2E0MXS> got the rsid that time, but not the data
[21:33] <mikestir_2E0MXS> a plane went over and sounded like it caused fading though
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[21:42] <Upu_M0UPU> decoding on all radios now
[21:42] <Upu_M0UPU> anyone would have though it was 40 miles away or something
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[21:58] <Upu_M0UPU> quite strong here now unsuprisingly
[21:58] <mikestir_2E0MXS> seems to be getting weaker for me the nearer it gets
[21:58] <mikestir_2E0MXS> it's still almost inaudible
[22:02] <mikestir_2E0MXS> this modulation doesn't seem as robust as dominoex
[22:02] <Upu_M0UPU> I think I prefer Domino
[22:02] <DL7AD> evening
[22:02] <Upu_M0UPU> well THOR
[22:02] <Upu_M0UPU> Evening Sven
[22:02] <Upu_M0UPU> Thomas even
[22:02] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry
[22:03] <Upu_M0UPU> getting my DL's mixed up
[22:03] <Willdude123> So I realised my RX is crap
[22:03] <Upu_M0UPU> oh it is Sven
[22:03] <DL7AD> yes indeed Upu_M0UPU ;)
[22:03] <Upu_M0UPU> Who is Thomas Muller ?
[22:04] <DL7AD> i dont know thomas müller
[22:04] <Upu_M0UPU> http://hamcall.net/call/DL7AD
[22:04] <DL7AD> that must be incorrect
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[22:04] <DL7AD> i know my call was occupied before
[22:04] <Upu_M0UPU> yup
[22:04] <Upu_M0UPU> probably that
[22:05] <Upu_M0UPU> ok going to walk the dog before my antenna does a 180
[22:05] <DL7AD> i know someone told me he had a talk to my call in 1999
[22:05] <Willdude123> My aerial is quite low. Couldn't estimate the height but it's three poles high
[22:06] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: solar?
[22:07] <Upu_M0UPU> Hey I have one of my old pava7 trackers ready to go here
[22:07] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm going to walk dog and if its clear I'll launch it on intercept
[22:09] <mikestir_2E0MXS> $$B-42,107EJ?0653,140329,53.367,-1.958,6773,8,-34,3.99,0*3F96 <-- this is the best I've had
[22:10] <DL7AD> its already coming down
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[22:18] <Upu_M0UPU> that is coming down
[22:18] <Upu_M0UPU> its misty
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[22:21] <DL7AD> seems 2b popped
[22:22] <aadamson> Yeah, board 1 - minus GPS is built... :) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/DSCN2443.JPG
[22:23] <Upu_M0UPU> looks tidy
[22:23] <Upu_M0UPU> why no GPS ?
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[22:24] <aadamson> didn't get it yet... borrowed one from kd2eat in NY and I can put that on later... easy enough to pull the solder off from the paste mask and solder down the gps
[22:25] <Upu_M0UPU> ah ok
[22:25] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah they are pretty easy to solder
[22:26] <aadamson> has the jtab 10 pin on the back so hopefully, I'll at least make LED's blink before the night is over... I think one of my LED's is in backwards even tho I checked it a million times, I think it's marked wrong...
[22:26] <Upu_M0UPU> what is the IC next to Y2 ?
[22:26] <aadamson> but I've got tweezers so flipping that around is easy
[22:27] <aadamson> That's the TI cdcel913 - a digital PLL controllable over i2c, works like a VCXO but the frequency is completely programmable
[22:27] <aadamson> an experiment... actually :)
[22:29] <aadamson> and I used some *wicked small* crystals this time... Wow were they tiny... Y8's as they are called... 27mhz for the DPLL and 16 for the processor (couldn't get an 8, but no matter you can use anything for it pretty much
[22:29] <Upu_M0UPU> nice be interested to see how that goes
[22:30] <aadamson> yeah, you and me both :)
[22:31] <mikestir_2E0MXS> Upu_M0UPU: does b42 get stronger just before a tx?
[22:31] <DL7AD> does anyone know the weight of a qualatex 36" and the max volume?
[22:31] <aadamson> I missed a couple of stupid things.. a pull up here or there, but it will work as is, with using the internal pull up in the processor... I just may have a couple of things that *float* on reset
[22:31] <Upu_M0UPU> not particularly now
[22:31] <Laurenceb> aadamson: you want tagconnect for that stm32
[22:31] <Upu_M0UPU> DL7AD lift is about 65g but try keep it <20g
[22:32] <aadamson> tagconnect? I have a j-link and a Stlink.. guess I'll have to google tagconnect?
[22:32] <DL7AD> Upu_M0UPU: not lift. weight of the foil itself
[22:32] <Upu_M0UPU> no idea never measured it
[22:32] <aadamson> ah... I know what that is
[22:33] <aadamson> yeah, we'll see... I thought about it, but it mean a footprint with holes and I was trying to not deal with a very complex layout for the v0.1 version (which actually became the v.02 version)
[22:33] <LeoBodnar> 37g
[22:33] <Laurenceb> oh you are using stm32L
[22:33] <Laurenceb> nice
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[22:33] <aadamson> yeah, 151CC (256k) at some point, couldn't get them however so it's a CB (128k)
[22:33] <Laurenceb> good choice
[22:34] <aadamson> yeah F0 and L0 were just too restrictive, so it's a 48pin 151CB, looked at the DFN, but really wasn't any board space advantage
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[22:35] <Laurenceb> heh
[22:35] <Laurenceb> compared to AVR...
[22:35] <aadamson> I actually have most of the code up and running, on the Nucleo/152-discovery boards, so I just need to move some GPIO and it should come up (I hope)
[22:36] <aadamson> Well, I say that, this will be my first 2.0v board, I usually work at 3v3... actually I can power this at 3v3 too... hmm I'll probably do that to bring it up the first time
[22:37] <aadamson> the only part that isn't 3v3 compatible is the cdcel913, it's a 1.8 part (which I was going to run at 2.0v :))... but it's on a separate bus because at the last minute I decided I may want to run the board at 3v3 and use an ldo for 1.8 for the TI part ...
[22:37] <aadamson> whew, glad I did that
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[22:37] <Laurenceb> why not just 1.8v for everything?
[22:37] <fsphil> aww, first pico coming my way and it's descending
[22:37] <fsphil> well second pico
[22:38] <Laurenceb> hmf
[22:38] <Laurenceb> booo
[22:38] <mikestir_2E0MXS> fsphil: it was a difficult one anyway
[22:38] <aadamson> well, it works like this... 2.0 is internal 1.8 and you can run 32mhz at 1.8 internal, 1.8 is 1.5 internal and you can run 16mhz and reduced adc, no usb, etc... so for now it will be 2.0 just to get them up, but yes, I can run it all down to low voltage if I wanted
[22:38] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I think I had one green off it
[22:38] <mikestir_2E0MXS> and it's not exactly far from me
[22:39] <aadamson> Laurenceb, this is some of what I want to explore...
[22:39] <Laurenceb> ok
[22:40] <aadamson> but I wanted usb for development and a vcp there so that's why it's going to be 2.0v to start with
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[22:40] <aadamson> Laurenceb, my power options (bottom one) has usb on it :) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/DSCN2438.JPG
[22:40] <aadamson> off to deal with the dogs...
[22:41] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: thx leo
[22:41] <Laurenceb> neat
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[23:03] <ibanezmatt13> I'm just in the process of rotating, but if you fancy a peak at some of today's shots with some interesting descriptions in some cases, here you go: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97969402@N03/ :)
[23:04] <Upu_M0UPU> I see bron in G0029913
[23:04] <ibanezmatt13> haha me too :)
[23:05] <ibanezmatt13> I think it was probably the antenna Upu_M0UPU, will post on Montag
[23:05] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah send it back and I'll launch it next week with a new antenna on it
[23:05] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[23:06] <Upu_M0UPU> you need to learn to rotate :)
[23:06] <ibanezmatt13> have you seen the strange skydiver light thing?
[23:06] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I like the lens flare that looks like a jellyfish re-entering the atmosphere
[23:06] <ibanezmatt13> oh yea, on it now
[23:06] <ibanezmatt13> yes that mikestir_2E0MXS :)
[23:06] <ibanezmatt13> Look at it carefully and you'll see a parachute canopy, chord to the person and a person with head arms and legs :P
[23:07] <Upu_M0UPU> looks like a nice day anyway
[23:07] <ibanezmatt13> In 29913 I thought in the distance I saw the ISS, but looks like a piece of latex
[23:07] <ibanezmatt13> yes it was awesome
[23:08] <ibanezmatt13> Gonna do a timelapse vid as well this week. I have 999x23 photos, which is a lot
[23:09] <ibanezmatt13> 0.5s timelapse
[23:11] <craag> ibanezmatt13: Well done on the launch today!
[23:11] <ibanezmatt13> I'll tell you what though Upu_M0UPU, if you hadn't have called up, it would have taken a hell of a lot longer to find it, if at all. So yeah, invaluable help as always
[23:11] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks craag! :D
[23:12] <ibanezmatt13> There's nothing like a good HAB every now and again. First two flights have been pretty successful then, particularly today, it was flawless. I'm not bragging sorry, just excited! :D lol
[23:13] <Upu_M0UPU> when you're on the ground with slow internet and the sun on your laptop screen its always hard
[23:13] <ibanezmatt13> oh yeah, that was the worst part
[23:14] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I could see my old house on 29912 if there was enough resolution
[23:14] <ibanezmatt13> haha, picture the scene, my Dad and I walking down a track carrying Yagi, laptop, scanner, millions of wires, can't see screen, USB sound card thing etc, and trying to point it!
[23:15] <ibanezmatt13> wow, nice mikestir_2E0MXS
[23:15] <craag> ibanezmatt13: Quick q, what python graphing lib are you using for the pic on your twitter?
[23:15] <ibanezmatt13> matplotlib
[23:15] <ibanezmatt13> awesome awesome thing
[23:15] <craag> Ah cheers
[23:15] <ibanezmatt13> np
[23:16] <craag> Incredible, and will do what I'm after perfectly, thanks!
[23:17] <ibanezmatt13> haha no probs. I love it. Great for rocket prediction too ;)
[23:20] <malgar> ibanezmatt13: tonight u can sleep proud of you and your Dad :)
[23:20] <ibanezmatt13> definitely can, correct :)
[23:21] <ibanezmatt13> It was tense inside the old chase vehicle "Go left, no go right, stop, go wtf are you doing etc" but in the end, we got there :D
[23:21] <mikestir_2E0MXS> actually you can see loads of places on that photo ibanezmatt13
[23:21] <mikestir_2E0MXS> bottom left corner is milton keynes
[23:21] <ibanezmatt13> yeah it's fantastic quality, slightly better than the Pi Cam attempt
[23:21] <mikestir_2E0MXS> you can clearly see the shopping centre
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[23:22] <ibanezmatt13> wow
[23:22] <ibanezmatt13> which one?
[23:22] <mikestir_2E0MXS> the bit in the middle where the snow dome is
[23:22] <mikestir_2E0MXS> it looks like a grey square on the pic
[23:22] <ibanezmatt13> which pic?
[23:22] <mikestir_2E0MXS> 29912
[23:22] <ibanezmatt13> ta
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[23:23] <mikestir_2E0MXS> in fact, you can just make out the snow dome itself
[23:23] <mikestir_2E0MXS> just looks like a speck though!
[23:24] <amell_> Well chuffed just snapped up a fluke dual 50D thermometer on eBay for 30 quid
[23:24] <ibanezmatt13> haha, I think I'm a little too tired to find it mike :)
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[23:25] <mikestir_2E0MXS> the white area just above the bottom end of the cord is brackmills in northampton
[23:25] <amell_> There's a big lake in one of the pics. I think it's grafham water
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[23:26] <ibanezmatt13> Right, I'm gonna get off to bed. Been travelling down to Elsworth at 6:30, v. tired
[23:26] <ibanezmatt13> night all! :)
[23:26] <mikestir_2E0MXS> yes, and you can see rutland water as well near the bits of latex
[23:26] <mikestir_2E0MXS> it's a big area in that shot!
[23:26] <amell_> Looking again
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[23:28] <amell_> The pic of the burst? Think I can just make out Rutland water at the top to the left of the biggest piece of latex
[23:28] <mikestir_2E0MXS> http://www.flickr.com/photos/97969402@N03/13497342575/
[23:28] <amell_> The line down the right side a1?
[23:28] <mikestir_2E0MXS> that one
[23:28] <mikestir_2E0MXS> i'm not convinced you can see roads. I can't make out the M1, for example
[23:28] <amell_> Oh different pic
[23:30] <amell_> Got the right pic now
[23:30] <amell_> Yeah you can see the a1 on right side just going into clouds
[23:31] <fsphil> it's almost as if there wasn't something covering the lens :)
[23:32] <amell_> Rutland water is like twice as big as grafham so I'm not sure about that
[23:32] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I don't think that's the A1. If you look on Google Earth there's a very strange unnatural looking stretch of land running between huntingdon and king's lynn. I think it's that
[23:33] <MatB> I wondered if it was Pitsford Reservoir which is a sorta similar shape. I think it is Rutland but can't understand why I can't see Pitsford which must be of similar extents as Grafham
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[23:35] <mikestir_2E0MXS> MatB: it's left of the bottom of the yellow string on the chute, about half way to the edge
[23:37] <Upu_M0UPU> B-42 in my blind spot
[23:37] <amell_> Hard to make features out in these pics
[23:37] <MatB> mikestir_2E0MXS: oh yeah, not very visible is it. Can make out Corby, Kettering, Wellingborough and Northampton though
[23:38] <mikestir_2E0MXS> yeah the industrial estates in northampton are quite obvious
[23:38] <mikestir_2E0MXS> I think there must be cloud cover over pitsford
[23:38] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: you need an envelope tester
[23:38] <amell_> Gah I need a new DMM
[23:39] <amell_> Are flukes really worth it. Thinking about a 113
[23:40] <Upu_M0UPU> I have a 115 and its great
[23:40] <Upu_M0UPU> does averages and stuff
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[23:40] <amell_> Gah 113 apparently doesn't measure current
[23:40] <malgar> https://www.mapbox.com/blog/processing-landsat-8/ here you can find a post-processing tecnique to remove haze and give brilland colors to the ground
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> the fluke at work could not measure a 22 pF capacitor
[23:41] <mikestir_2E0MXS> right I'm off
[23:41] <Laurenceb> blood pressure cuff hardware would work fairly well
[23:41] <Laurenceb> maybe 2 hours or so
[23:41] <malgar> is is for satellite images but I think that it could work well on HAB images too
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> but that is maybe because it is not a dedicated capacitor meter
[23:42] <fsphil> wonder if B-42's descent is final
[23:44] <fsphil> you could use a ruler to measure a 22pf cap. might not give you the answer you want though
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[23:48] <amell_> RocketBoy: Did you recover HL1?
[23:49] <RocketBoy> nope - pretty sure it was taken
[23:49] <RocketBoy> I found the balloon remnants
[23:49] <amell_> Dang. Where did it land
[23:49] <RocketBoy> but no tracker or chute
[23:49] <RocketBoy> then later I heard the tracker -
[23:50] <RocketBoy> got some decodes and it was moving along a road
[23:50] <amell_> Grrrr
[23:50] <RocketBoy> this was a couple of hors after landing
[23:50] <RocketBoy> hours
[23:50] <amell_> Phone number on it?
[23:51] <RocketBoy> nope - got sidetracked and forgot to pu one on
[23:51] <RocketBoy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/13495718155/ <<< balloon remnants\
[23:51] <Upu_M0UPU> shame Matt was 2 miles from it
[23:52] <Upu_M0UPU> but was so excited he missed my subtle hints
[23:52] <Upu_M0UPU> "go find Steve's tracker"
[23:52] <RocketBoy> well I was only about 10 - 15mins behind it
[23:52] <amell_> So passing car saw it, thought it looked interesting and took it
[23:53] <amell_> Is it dog walking area?
[23:53] <Upu_M0UPU> was it just a tracker or some other equipment ?
[23:53] <RocketBoy> just a tracker
[23:53] <MatB> That's a bugger. Is it not obvious it's a tracker and therefore a stupid thing to steal!?
[23:53] <RocketBoy> in a big lump of glued up ploystrene
[23:54] <amell_> Passer by would not know what it is.
[23:54] <RocketBoy> well there was the balloon and chue
[23:54] <MatB> Yeah but they must have thought it interesting enough to take it home
[23:54] <amell_> I saw it, it honestly didn't look that interesting.
[23:54] <RocketBoy> maybe they were driving along and it was in the road
[23:55] <amell_> Yeah and chucked the balloon on the hedge
[23:55] <RocketBoy> but they must have had to cut away the balloon
[23:55] <amell_> Plausible
[23:55] <RocketBoy> and left it
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[23:56] <RocketBoy> The balloon remnants were almost exactly where the predicted track would have taken it
[23:56] <Upu_M0UPU> it was very stable
[23:57] <RocketBoy> also - when I decoded the car moving along later the sequence number had been reset
[23:57] <MatB> Just out of interest, what's the rough costs of building and launching one of these HABs?
[23:57] <amell_> How far away was the car track?
[23:57] <RocketBoy> so they must have turned it off and on again
[23:57] <Upu_M0UPU> web log time ? :)
[23:58] <RocketBoy> it was on the same roaad as the balloon - abut I had moved to about a mile away
[23:58] <RocketBoy> nothing on it to reg=ference a web site
[23:58] <RocketBoy> reference
[23:59] <amell_> Shame.
[23:59] <amell_> Anything on the pcb?
[23:59] <RocketBoy> bl**dy PC packed up just as I was about to give chase
[23:59] <RocketBoy> nope - not a pcb
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