highaltitude.log.20140327

[00:02] <amell> eroomde spoke a total of 971847 words!
[00:02] <amell> eroomde's faithful follower, LaurenceB, didn't speak so much: 729017 words.
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[00:11] <craag> Possibly a latex pico launch from the New Forest tomorrow
[00:11] <craag> Waiting to hear whether they've broken the payload again
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[00:31] <adamgreig> ah damn, I'm still falling behind on the old stats :P
[00:31] <aadamson> so if any one is curious... LTC3526L pretty much a reference design. - 2.0v output set via VD. 1.5v AA Alkaline input. using a 33.3 ohm resistor as a load (I wanted to be at around 70ma +/-) vs the output of 2.0v.
[00:31] <aadamson> The current draw from the battery when no load = 0.000 on a fluke 117 meter
[00:32] <aadamson> the current draw with the 33.3 ohm resistor = .100A (100mA)
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[00:32] <aadamson> Same test with the TPS61200, again, reference design
[00:32] <aadamson> same voltages and lod
[00:32] <aadamson> load
[00:33] <aadamson> no load current draw on the battery = 0.009A, 33.3 ohm resistor = .103A (103mA)
[00:34] <aadamson> so it appears that when there is no load on the TPS, there is about 9uA of draw on the source. vs. undetectable on th LTC
[00:34] <aadamson> beyond that, from an output standpoint they are similar.
[00:34] <aadamson> I haven't done any duration testing yet but will attempt to do that with 2 like batteries
[00:34] <aadamson> :)
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[00:44] <craag> 9mA is a lot of quiescent
[00:47] <g0pai_ian> 9uA
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[00:57] <craag> Ah 9uA would be a little more sensible, although lower than I'd expect for a step-up!
[00:58] <craag> Anyway, gn! (no news on tomorrows launch so far)
[01:01] <g0pai_ian> Gnite.
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[01:12] <aadamson> yeah sorry, meter was on autoscale
[01:12] <aadamson> it was 9uA
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[01:17] <g0pai_ian> I believe that you had said exactly that. Craag misread you.
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[01:21] <aadamson> yeah I said 9uA, but I wrote .009A... should have been .009mA
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[01:31] <craag> Just got woken up by launch announcement
[01:31] <craag> 7am tomorrow
[01:33] <craag> Pico latex from new forest nr Southampton
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[02:08] <g0pai_ian> Doncha just love consideration?
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[02:40] <flyer__> hey anyone online can help me
[02:40] <flyer__> I have just created a flight doc
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[02:41] <flyer__> but on the additional doc part it says that it must be approved??
[02:41] <flyer__> So do i need to do anything else or just fly it??
[02:41] <Darkside> whats the flight doc id
[02:42] <flyer__> gdp 15
[02:43] <Darkside> i see 3 flight docs with that nam
[02:43] <Darkside> stratton lane or new forest?
[02:43] <flyer__> new forest
[02:44] <flyer__> modified it just now
[02:44] <Darkside> uh
[02:44] <Darkside> that just created a new doc
[02:44] <Darkside> so i'v just approcvd the one that had 'new forest' as the launch site
[02:44] <flyer__> thank you very much. Yes the launch will be happening
[02:45] <flyer__> provided the weather permits
[02:45] <flyer__> Do I need to do anything now??
[02:45] <Darkside> tst
[02:45] <Darkside> chck it w[Btest*
[02:45] <Darkside> check it shows up on the map properly
[02:46] <flyer__> As in power up the payload and test it??
[02:46] <Darkside> .. yes
[02:46] <Darkside> chck dl-fldigi decodes it correctly, and that it shows up on spacnear.us
[02:47] <flyer__> ok
[02:47] <flyer__> will do it now
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[02:57] <flyer__> Hey there
[02:58] <flyer__> the balloon shows up on the map
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[03:59] <g0pai_ian> Good luck for your launch, I'll be asleep at the time! ? QRG
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[06:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> GM
[06:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ is at 437.695 atm with a large termal drift. So i will not be able to autotrack it when i leave for work in about ½hour
[06:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> The AFC cant keep up with the start and stop drift
[06:29] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
[06:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 437.696 now
[06:31] <Upu> morning Brian
[06:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morning Anthony
[06:31] <Upu> interesting coming our way
[06:31] <Upu> might settle down at sunrise
[06:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Yes lets hope it gets to you. It drifts widely, so its impossible to let the tracking be unatteneded.
[06:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lets hope LA3EQ shows up
[06:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Colin1, is that a oilrig in the north sea? :-)
[06:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Trying to get OZ5AGJ onboard as well
[06:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Made a remote desktop, so will see if i can track from the car during work. Im off now. bye
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[06:56] <craag> Morning all
[06:56] Action: craag is at GDP Launch site
[06:56] <craag> They're due to launch in 4 minutes and aren't here yet
[07:00] <craag> Ah, found them
[07:11] <craag> GDP prepping automated launch
[07:11] <craag> Oops gone wrong alread..y
[07:16] <x-f> morning
[07:16] <x-f> who's GDP?
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[07:16] <craag> Masters project at southampton uni
[07:16] <craag> launching imminently... when it works
[07:17] <x-f> are you a consultant, independent monitor or a reporter-on-site there? :)
[07:18] <craag> consultant i guess
[07:18] <craag> They're having servo-in-cold issues atm
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[07:21] <tweetBot> @thecraag: GDP Automated HAB Launcher prepping for launch #ukhas http://t.co/bX2sQfio8W
[07:24] <x-f> automated small latex balloon launcher?
[07:24] <craag> yep
[07:24] <craag> SMS-activated
[07:24] <x-f> neat idea
[07:24] <craag> of all the things, it's currently failing to open the lid
[07:25] <x-f> gas tank is in the box too?
[07:25] <craag> yep
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[07:36] <craag> the servo that opens the lid, also opens the gas valve, so it's not filling
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[07:52] <x-f> SP3OSJ will go out of range - http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/167002_trj001.gif
[07:53] <craag> GDP is going to attempt launch with manual operation of the valve
[07:53] <craag> 434.550 btw
[08:00] <LeoBodnar> oh I hope SP3OSJ stops transmitting when in UK territorial waters
[08:01] <tweetBot> @thecraag: GDP HAB filling #ukhas http://t.co/8B5q8QdXWq
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[08:02] <LA3EQ> GM
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[08:06] <fsphil> osj needs to do a loop around the faroe islands before it gets in range of me
[08:06] <fsphil> odds of that happening: 0.0001 :)
[08:07] <la3eq_> Wis the baudrate 150?
[08:07] <fsphil> good weather for the fsphil challange though ;)
[08:07] <x-f> la3eq_, 100 bd
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[08:08] <la3eq_> i am gettinbg some rtty but it move up frequency very quikly.....could it be that?
[08:08] <la3eq_> 436.7MHz
[08:08] <x-f> ah wait, 150 indeed
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[08:08] <la3eq_> sri 437.7MHz
[08:08] <craag> GDP Launch aborted.
[08:08] <fsphil> aww
[08:08] <craag> It appears they got the lift calcs wrong
[08:08] <la3eq_> is slide up freq so fast that there is no chance to decode
[08:09] <craag> It cut away and dragged the payload along the ground...
[08:09] <fsphil> how did they measure lift? (or not in this case)
[08:09] <x-f> la3eq_, that's his usual frequency, must be it, perhaps widen the receive filter bandwidth and set AFC to fast?
[08:10] <la3eq_> CW is stable, only rtty that slides upward
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[08:10] <craag> fsphil: Emptying the small canister, no measurement as such.
[08:11] <fsphil> oh ok, a new technique
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[08:11] <la3eq_> have now turned afc "on"...lets see what happens nexr
[08:12] <fsphil> colin1 tracking from the north sea :)
[08:13] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... How many ways can we not measure neck lift sensibly... ;)
[08:15] <LazyLeopard> Possibly the most popular mode of failure?
[08:16] <LA3EQ> CW is perfect
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[08:19] <LA3EQ> still no decode
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[08:28] <gonzo_> craag, are they having another gop today, or is that it for consumables?
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[08:31] <LA3EQ> cw is saying alt 6845
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[08:35] <ibanezmatt13> holy jesus, I've just got an invoice for the NORB 4 boards, $80 :/ wow
[08:36] <LA3EQ> $$SP3OSJ837,005t9,56.2397 0 07.784)10,6890$-11,10,913,6$,1*44,X.40+1DD
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[08:38] <LA3EQ> 6860M now
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[09:23] <LA3EQ> $$SP3OSJ,02,02155,56.488060l06.82130,6363,-9,90,982.47,1.44,0.4*528
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[10:37] <LA3EQ> green decode finely..
[10:37] <LA3EQ> $$SP3OSJ,999,103403,56.866112,05.535150,5713,-2,12,1089.28,1.49,0.30*352D
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[12:03] <LA3EQ> SP3OSJ is getting very weak now....and cw mode is lossing stability.
[12:04] <LA3EQ> last cw copy it was only 3256m decending slowly
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[12:06] <LA3EQ> now 3111meters
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[12:06] <fsphil> looks fatal
[12:06] <x-f> another sacrifice to the North sea
[12:07] <malgar> :D
[12:08] <LA3EQ> CW info loc JO27db alt 2991m
[12:08] <eroomde> we should have a ukhas canon on the north-sea coast
[12:08] <daveake> strange altitude plot for yesterday evening
[12:08] <eroomde> that fires a blank every time the sea takes another payload as a victim
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[12:08] <fsphil> if the north sea ever becomes land again archaeologists are going to find a fair few strange devices
[12:08] <daveake> cannon, unless you want it to take a photo too
[12:09] <x-f> daveake, this is another payload, launched later in the evening, first one was lost (Artur suspects the antenna disconnected)
[12:09] <daveake> aah
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[12:13] <LA3EQ> $&SP3OSJ,1927,121t3,5n0528004n24318,2790,7q2,192.611.<9.30*:7AA
[12:18] <g0pai_ian> ? QRG HORIZ2
[12:18] <x-f> LA3EQ, decoding it behind the horizon?
[12:19] <LA3EQ> Yes¨
[12:21] <LA3EQ> I am using a 56el yagi and low noise pre amp...that helps
[12:21] <LA3EQ> not 56el....6 element
[12:21] <fsphil> whoa
[12:21] <fsphil> was gonna say :)
[12:22] <LA3EQ> hi hi
[12:22] <LA3EQ> hi hieme amntennas!
[12:24] <LA3EQ> I have two x 17 el ygi for tropo and EME, but they are honizontal only.
[12:25] <LA3EQ> SP3OSJ lost now
[12:32] <LA3EQ> last cw info was 2575m decending
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[12:36] <x-f> good job
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[12:41] <DL7AD> morning
[12:42] <LA3EQ> good afternoon'
[12:42] <DL7AD> LA3EQ: good job! :)
[12:42] <LA3EQ> still see a weak trace, but npo decpde and CW impossible to copy....vy weak now.
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[12:43] <DL7AD> LA3EQ: yes.... CW has much lower power
[12:43] <DL7AD> *less
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[12:48] <LA3EQ> now back to 6meter band...73 all
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[14:22] <cm13g09> I know this isn't really #ha related, but has anyone got any ADSL2+ routers that they want to recommend
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> Most important bit is the cable.
[14:22] <cm13g09> SpeedEvil: yes
[14:22] <cm13g09> I know
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> You need to find a light one, and properly size the balloon
[14:23] <cm13g09> SpeedEvil: LOL!
[14:24] <daveake> I have a Draytek 2820 - 3G backup, VOIP, lots of features, awful UI
[14:24] <daveake> Well, not awful as in Cisco awful, but not good either
[14:24] <g0pai_ian> If the router is to go on a balloon, surely it's the lack of coaxial cable that is important. Strap it directly onto the antenna.
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[14:25] <mattbrejza> it took us about 4 months to set up a cisco router for home use
[14:25] <mattbrejza> very stable though :P
[14:25] <g0pai_ian> Minimum cable and connector losses.
[14:25] <daveake> 4 months! Experts!
[14:26] <g0pai_ian> Did you recover from yesterday's performance Dave?
[14:26] <daveake> I was tasked with setting up a pair of Cisco ISDN boxes to talk to each other
[14:26] <daveake> AFter a few days I gave up and paid for an "expert"
[14:26] <daveake> He struggled too
[14:26] <cm13g09> mattbrejza: I could get a Cisco :P
[14:26] <daveake> g0pai_ian Don't know *what* you mean ...... :/
[14:26] <cm13g09> but then I work in a business that does Cisco things ;)
[14:27] <mattbrejza> we got it through someones dad
[14:27] <g0pai_ian> daveake: it seemed that the team wasn't best prepared!
[14:27] <mattbrejza> who eventially had to help set it up (mostly)
[14:27] <mattbrejza> vpn didnt work through it though :/
[14:28] <mattbrejza> but people could play LoL/DOTA through it nicely so they didnt seem to care
[14:28] <daveake> Incredible amount of step-by-step needed. Can't believe they flew before. Can believe they f**ked up when they did.
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[14:29] <cm13g09> I must stress this isn't balloon related at all
[14:29] <cm13g09> just need a decent DSL router
[14:29] <daveake> For basic home use I quite like Netgears
[14:29] <mattbrejza> btw daveake / Upu , what are you flying on .650 on the 5th? its possible we may want to fly something on .650 on that day, any chance of bumping the ntx2 up by a few kHz and we'll go down by a few?
[14:29] <cm13g09> daveake: I won't go near them :P
[14:29] <g0pai_ian> I did get the impression that a lot of essential testing and homework hadn't been done. Possibly shuffled around the group.
[14:29] <daveake> Yup
[14:30] <UpuWork> daveake ?
[14:30] <daveake> UpuWork?
[14:30] <daveake> ah sorry
[14:30] <mattbrejza> knowing the wind itll probably be delayed anyway...
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[14:31] <fsphil> I've always used netgear routers for adsl
[14:31] <daveake> I have an identical board on .075
[14:31] <daveake> Well obviously not identical :/
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[14:31] <daveake> but yes mattbrejza can adjust the frequency no problem
[14:31] <UpuWork> if its a problem I'll replace the NTX2
[14:32] <daveake> No we have 2 of those boards UpuWork
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[14:32] <mattbrejza> cool thanks
[14:32] <mattbrejza> we'll be launching from cam, so theyll be far apart also which should help if they drift way too much
[14:33] <mattbrejza> are you disposing of old trackers?
[14:33] <UpuWork> Saturday we want it all back
[14:34] <UpuWork> Friday I'm not chasing across country at midnight to recover
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[14:34] <mattbrejza> ahok
[14:34] <daveake> How long will the LEDs flash for?
[14:34] <UpuWork> depends on the size of battery
[14:34] <daveake> Well duh
[14:35] <Standard> Did anyone here use the rf22 library : https://github.com/jamescoxon/Misc-Projects/tree/master/RFM22 ?
[14:35] <daveake> Reason I ask is that if one lands within a mile of someone they're going to get wioken up by the blinding light
[14:35] <UpuWork> lol
[14:35] <UpuWork> and ?
[14:35] <daveake> :)
[14:35] <UpuWork> putting your number on it
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[14:35] <daveake> ouch
[14:36] <UpuWork> 60mA per hour
[14:36] <UpuWork> I have some 240 and 190 maH lipos
[14:36] <daveake> Just size it for 30 mins or so on the way up
[14:36] <daveake> No need to weigh it down just so it flashes someone
[14:36] <UpuWork> was going to use the 190's
[14:37] <daveake> yeah plenty
[14:37] <UpuWork> should last the flight
[14:37] <mattbrejza> do these things get very bright by high current, very low duty kinda thing?
[14:37] <mattbrejza> as the leds look tiny
[14:37] <UpuWork> off : http://imgur.com/7ZzxSdF
[14:37] <UpuWork> on : http://imgur.com/poKEK2f
[14:38] <UpuWork> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jvKD-ZeGyQ&feature=youtu.be
[14:38] <mattbrejza> ah yea
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[14:39] <mattbrejza> alternative would have been the circuit from a disposable camera flash
[14:39] <daveake> As not used by 777's
[14:39] <UpuWork> well these are smaller I suspect
[14:39] <daveake> They'd never have lost it :/
[14:39] <UpuWork> also every time I use one of those I electricute myself
[14:39] <cm13g09> daveake: harsh.......
[14:40] <mattbrejza> tbh they need some flight recorders that float and can be illuminated by radar to aid location (also wont need a battery to run out)
[14:40] <DL7AD> UpuWork: is this one for the aviation? :) these i know are that bright, you can get blind from it ^^
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[14:44] <UpuWork> no model aricraft
[14:45] <gonzo_> it's worrying when you can enthuse about LEDs so much that you go blind
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[15:18] Action: mfa298 reads scrollback - Only took ~4 hours last time i setup a Cisco ADSL router (877) but then I mostly copied the config off the old one (847 I think)
[15:20] <mfa298> it's pretty solid though, and handle my IPv6 tunnel and other tunnels as well (although I'm still waiting to test it's ADSL2 capabilities)
[15:27] <UpuWork> if the PSU ever dies let me know I have two on my scrap shelf
[15:27] <UpuWork> + 2 x SDSL routers
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[15:55] <amell_> I have a Draytek 2850vn. seems to reboot spontaneously every couple of days, ever seen that happen?
[15:55] <daveake> Not seen that with mine (2820vn)
[15:56] <daveake> I could never get a 3G dongle to work with it, but that was fixed with new firmware
[15:56] Action: cm13g09 considers getting an 877
[15:56] <daveake> Only issue really is that one network printer sometimes wouldn't get an IP address, so I ended up fixing that address in the printer. Other network printers were fine.
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[16:00] <amell_> its strange. it does this 'click' when it reboots. Theres no warning or anything in the logs.
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[17:12] <Laurenceb__> http://img.pr0gramm.com/2014/03/xatrmbckl0-jpeg-pagespeed-ic-6rfgo4o8z8.jpg
[17:12] <amell_> saw that. how sad
[17:13] <amell_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590546/McStupid-Norwegian-teen-McDonalds-dinner-receipt-tattooed-ARM-dare-causing-mother-breakdown.html
[17:13] <amell_> Who is going to get their mouser receipt tattooed?
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[17:22] <Willdude> Gotta love that 4 second irc ping
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[17:25] <LunarRover> Good news: managed to complete my board by adding the ublox
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[17:35] <tweetBot> @NORB_HAB: Just to confirm, NORB 2 will be launching this Saturday at Elsworth 11AM. Further details tomorrow #ukhas
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[17:51] <LeoBodnar> Who will tattoo a dinner receipt on their Cortex?
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[18:25] <Laurenceb__> how can i get serial port parameters in linux?
[18:25] <Laurenceb__> just from the terminal
[18:26] <sp2ipt> setserial
[18:27] <Laurenceb__> ok
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[18:27] <mfa298> stty </dev/ttyUSB0
[18:28] <Laurenceb__> ok thanks
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[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> you probably got my earlier message about the ublox
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> that was only about 50% of the stuff that happened today
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[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> I'd like to post my observations on what happened when we tried to run some programs on it
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> we tried to run what was basically my earlier flight code with sensor readout, GPS readout, RTTY string transmission and saving to the SD card
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> first we saw that there was no clean radio reception, only strings letters that made no sense, and the SD card always came out empty, until Richard found a solder bridge on the socket
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> when we removed that, we got a single string on the card which was all wrong
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> next we tried Upu's Radio sample code which spells out "RTTY TEST BEACON", that came out totally wrong as well (but interestingly the string that came out of dl-fldigi was always the same)
[18:49] <eroomde> interesting
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> so when richard left, I connected my FTDI to UART1 and sent over a program that would only spell out preprogrammed text over the UART, and the terminal showed something like "f²@°"
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> I think the atmega died
[18:49] <mikestir> sounds like the clock isn't what you think it is
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> or parts of it
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[18:50] <mikestir> measure the rtty baud rate in audacity
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> I use a 7.3728 MHz xtal
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[18:51] <aadamson> I'd check and make sure you didn't somehow change the fuze bits
[18:51] <aadamson> I agree if serial is munged, then clock is wrong if hardware serial
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:51] <aadamson> if processor was busted, it would probably not work at all and get rather hot
[18:51] <eroomde> is the crystal the same as on your previous flight computer?
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea UART1 is hardware on the atmega644P
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> no, earlier I used a 8 MHz crystal, chose the other frequency because I read that it is one of the "magic" frequencies where UART errors are 0.0%
[18:52] <eroomde> ...
[18:52] <eroomde> did you modify the code to reflect this?
[18:52] <eroomde> or did you just try the previous code?
[18:54] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: ^
[18:54] Action: mikestir thinks a light bulb just came on
[18:55] <aadamson> hehe... yup that would do it.
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> sorry, I was called
[18:56] <aadamson> all the hardware timing for baud is off based upon the new crystal freq
[18:56] <eroomde> you're about to get called something else i think
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> the thing is
[18:56] <eroomde> make sure this is the thing
[18:56] <eroomde> you often seem to identify things that definitely are not the thing
[18:56] <aadamson> datasheet time :)
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[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> I know one place where I did not change the frequency from 8 to 7.37.28 MHz
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> in the chip definition file of the arduino IDE
[18:57] <mikestir> arduino fail
[18:57] <mikestir> where is your #define?
[18:57] <mikestir> single point of truth and all that
[18:57] <aadamson> I know that arduino uses either 8mhz or 16mhz clocks
[18:57] <aadamson> I don't know how embedded that info is
[18:57] <aadamson> but if you changed to some freq other than either of those two, you should google and see where all you need to change that reference
[18:58] <aadamson> it may be in more places that you think
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:58] <aadamson> (other reason I hate arduino) :)
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> seems like board.txt and the makefile need to be modified
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[19:01] <aadamson> before you go do big surgery, see if it's defined and if you can override it with a global define on the command line somehow
[19:01] <aadamson> are you using arduino ide or avr studio?
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> the IDE and then I upload using the avrispmkII
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> there is no bootloader on the chip
[19:03] <aadamson> both are IDE's so I'll assume the arduino one.... at some point, you'll probably want to move over to avr studio and the arduino plug in, it's much easier to master development for the AVR in that environment IMHO
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah sorry, yes the arduino IDE
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:05] <Lunar_Lander> currently reading at AVR Freaks and the arduino forums
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[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> thanks for the input
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[19:47] <chrisstubbs> is the hourly down?
[19:47] <chrisstubbs> nevermind, its fine :P
[19:48] <chrisstubbs> think its time I claimed a frequency for saturday
[19:49] <fsphil> my hourly is moving from the irish sea to the north atlantic
[19:49] <fsphil> how nice of it
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[20:00] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, Upu anyone done any testing on these boost controllers? I fired up a logger and a load to create 70ma draw. Using a single AA alkaline as a test... measuring input and output voltage (across the load)... curious what I'll expect...
[20:00] <aadamson> based upon charts it looks like maybe over 24hours... that would be interesting
[20:02] <Upu> 26 hours on my 1.8V tracker it pulls about 42-45mA
[20:03] <Upu> however more accurate data soon
[20:03] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/YVayECp.jpg testing my solar tracker with my new multimeter
[20:04] <aadamson> and that's to a dead battery or to the point where it won't power the boost pump?
[20:04] <sp2ipt_> Upu nice meter :)
[20:04] <aadamson> I should be *well less than 70 actually* but figured worst case plus 20% fudge factor.
[20:04] <Upu> this one is a fresh lipo with the solar cell off
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[20:04] <Upu> thx sp2ipt :)
[20:04] <Upu> so lipo -> buck -> 1.8V
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[20:05] <Upu> your hardware is fairly similar so if you use power saving in code expect about 45mA
[20:05] <Upu> obviously as the battery voltage drops the efficiency drops so this goes up
[20:06] <aadamson> my hard isn't an AVR, it's a low powered STM32 :)
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[20:06] <aadamson> I'm expecting really good once I turn on power saving :)
[20:06] <aadamson> hard = hardware
[20:07] <Upu> even the old one was only 65mA so you can reckon lower
[20:07] <aadamson> yeah, will be interesting once I get hardware up what the current requirements are at 100% duty
[20:07] <aadamson> nice meter btw :)
[20:07] <aadamson> work or personal
[20:08] <fsphil> the microcontroller's are probably the smallest drains in these systems
[20:08] <Upu> well one of the pleasures of running the HAB Shop is I can legitimately buy stuff like this through work for home :)
[20:09] <aadamson> hehe... yep, now the advantage really well... I have several consulting business in the RF environment :)
[20:09] <aadamson> fsphil, you are correct, the stm32l1 is really tiny current draw... I used full pull all peripherals, running from flash as a worst case
[20:09] <sp2ipt> Upu: lucky you ;) I have 4 1/4 digit and it hurt a bit :)
[20:09] <aadamson> the other devices I used as they specified... so we'll see, I'll be a 2.0v
[20:10] <fsphil> I got the stm32 to play around with a cmos sensor, but I had so much trouble getting the build env running that I kinda went off it
[20:11] <aadamson> ah, thats much easier now... hang on, I'll give you the secret sause
[20:11] <aadamson> sauce
[20:11] <aadamson> a) get eclipse cdt, b) get this plugin - poof done
[20:12] <fsphil> java :/
[20:12] <aadamson> http://gnuarmeclipse.livius.net/blog/
[20:12] <aadamson> it's in the eclipse marketplace or you can install it as noted
[20:12] <aadamson> it includes everything (minus the toolchain)
[20:13] <aadamson> and for toolchain -
[20:13] <aadamson> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
[20:13] <aadamson> that one
[20:13] <fsphil> yea that's the only one I could get working reliably
[20:13] <fsphil> I tried very hard to get the native fedora one going, and it's soooo close
[20:13] <aadamson> that one is maintained by arm :)
[20:13] <aadamson> the launchpad one
[20:14] <fsphil> yea and I wish the fedora guys had just packaged that one
[20:14] <fsphil> they used one from Codesorcery
[20:14] <aadamson> that one sucks because it has a 32k limit and no support for hwfp
[20:14] <fsphil> 32k limit?
[20:14] <aadamson> upu how come the 34450a? just curious of your reasoning
[20:15] <aadamson> yes the codesourcery free compiler will only build an executable of 32K or smaller
[20:15] <Upu> it was enough digits for me
[20:15] <Upu> I liked the features and I liked the large display
[20:15] <aadamson> and doesn't support the M4 core hardware floating point
[20:15] <malgar> I just realized that there is a record to beat. Windows Vista has never been the SO of an HAB.. you should try
[20:15] <fsphil> aadamson: I didn't know that. I wonder if the fedora version has the same restriction
[20:16] <aadamson> dunno... I just know the one most people try to use has those 2 limits
[20:16] <aadamson> btw, same for the free keil one
[20:16] <aadamson> if you go that route keil uvision
[20:16] <aadamson> there is a free version and it's also limited
[20:18] <Upu> what frequency was SP3OSJ on ?
[20:18] <sp2ipt> Upu: well usually it's an overkill - most people have 3 digits - but... ;)
[20:18] <sp2ipt> Upu: 437,7
[20:18] <Upu> thx
[20:19] <Upu> well I want to be able to see very small differences
[20:19] <Upu> like does changing the inductor effect the efficiency ?
[20:20] <sp2ipt> sure, with data logging and that much resolution it's fairly easy
[20:20] <fsphil> plus you can now offer a multimeter/psu calibration service
[20:21] <Upu> haha yeah
[20:22] <sp2ipt> it's not that easy - he'd have to register the lab, prepare procedures and calibrate the meter quite often. Plus a bunch of other meters like humidity, temperature and... :D
[20:23] <fsphil> my multimeter disagrees with my hameg psu by 0.05v
[20:23] <fsphil> close enough :)
[20:24] <Upu> this impressed me more than anything (the old PSU) http://i.imgur.com/UrpADbW.jpg
[20:24] <sp2ipt> in SP calibrating a simple voltmeter costs abt. 40$ so basically nobody maintains labs for calibrating stuff :)
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[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, that's impressive indeed
[20:27] <Upu> I'm going to second everyone who's recommended one of those 6632B's if you have the space
[20:27] <mattbrejza> do you have a scope yet?
[20:27] <Upu> yeah
[20:27] <Upu> thats been quite useful too
[20:27] <mattbrejza> all sorted then
[20:27] <Upu> yup :)
[20:27] <mattbrejza> vna is next?
[20:27] <Upu> haha
[20:28] <Upu> I have Darkside for that
[20:28] <mattbrejza> :P
[20:28] <Upu> he's cheaper I just buy him a beer when he's in the UK
[20:28] <sp2ipt> :)
[20:28] <fsphil> I think kjds has put the price up, where they not £110 before?
[20:29] <Upu> I paid £120
[20:29] <fsphil> 125 now
[20:30] <Upu> Still think its a bargin
[20:31] <Upu> mine came with enough fluff inside to stuff a pillow
[20:32] <fsphil> I really don't have the space but I'd be annoyed if he ran out :)
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, btw good news: I soldered a ublox without much difficulty :)
[20:33] <sp2ipt> it's vy cheap - in DL it costs abt 260 euro
[20:33] <Upu> excellent :)
[20:35] <Upu> SP3OSJ not heard here
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[20:36] <fsphil> unlikely to have survived that dive
[20:37] <fsphil> if it did you'd be hearing it
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[20:37] <fsphil> so close too
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[20:38] <Upu> went down before
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[20:39] <fsphil> that was a different flight wasn't it?
[20:40] <fsphil> same callsign
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> evening nosebleedkt
[20:40] <sp2ipt> yesterday he launched it two times - first time antenna broke but some friend managed to capture it on a plane's wing and take down to earth
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> awesome
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[20:41] <fsphil> hah
[20:41] <sp2ipt> OSJ soldered the antenna and launched it again
[20:41] <sp2ipt> IMHO that was crazy :D
[20:41] <fsphil> that is rather cool
[20:41] <Upu> haha
[20:41] <fsphil> an actual manned plane or an RC?
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[20:42] <sp2ipt> probably a plane, he sad 'a friend from aeroclub'
[20:42] <sp2ipt> but to be honest I didn't ask :)
[20:42] <fsphil> it's like the hubble repair mission, on a much lower budget
[20:43] <sp2ipt> sorry - he said :) by aeroplane :)
[20:43] <g0pai_ian> good job he didn't have a helicopter !
[20:43] <fsphil> hope there is video :)
[20:44] <g0pai_ian> video probably = licence revokation :)
[20:44] <sp2ipt> probably ;)
[20:47] <aadamson> Lunar_Lander, did you resolve your clock issue? and I couldn't tell were you surprised by the price of the boards from hackvana
[20:47] <aadamson> saw a tweet or something I think...
[20:47] <aadamson> maybe it wasn't you... can't remember
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[20:50] <mikestir> fsphil: just reading back - I have a makefile based build env for STM32
[20:51] <mikestir> uses the linaro toolchain (free, no restrictions)
[20:52] <fsphil> I would be surprised if fedora packaged a compiler with restrictions
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[20:53] <mikestir> in fact for the high-end stm32 I'd recommend chibios
[20:53] <mikestir> which has its own makefile based build system
[20:54] <mikestir> I also just put together a bare-metal environment for the kinetis kl05 if anyone is thinking of using that
[21:01] <aadamson> mikestir, that's an M0+ variant right?
[21:01] <mikestir> yes
[21:01] <aadamson> very cool... it is supported on chibios yet?
[21:01] <mikestir> not sure. It doesn't really have the resources anyway.
[21:02] <mikestir> 32K flash, 4K RAM
[21:02] <mikestir> more of an ATMEGA replacement
[21:02] <aadamson> ah puny whimpy stuff :)...
[21:02] <aadamson> yeah like the F0's
[21:02] <mikestir> like most M0+ variants it's incredibly cheap
[21:02] <mikestir> waiting for the new M0+ F0's - they look like they will win on sleep current
[21:05] <Laurenceb> nice xtal less usb on those too
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[21:21] <sp2ipt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86MMP0HcrWQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1m4s
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[21:40] <sp2ipt> night all
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[21:59] <aadamson> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1597902824/agic-print-printing-circuit-boards-with-home-print
[21:59] <aadamson> very cool
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[22:08] <WillTablet> aadamson: nice
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[22:11] <Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_conspiracy_theories
[22:11] <Laurenceb> heh
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> https://secure.flickr.com/photos/nasahqphoto/13415490023/sizes/h/in/photostream/
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[22:30] <m1sf1t> hey :) anyone here from manchester? there's a project going on in the city centre that plan to send a balloon up. I'm new to this, so I don't know if many people already know about it, but if you're from Manchester, google "Manchester Space Programme madlab"
[22:30] <WillTablet> That reminded me - today in history my teacher told us not to use wikipedia and everyone looked at me
[22:31] <m1sf1t> use wikipedia, but then use the sources at the bottom for verification :)
[22:33] <craag> m1sf1t: I think we've had a couple of projects from around there, might be worth emailing the mailing list.
[22:36] <m1sf1t> craag: thanks, do you have the address? I went to the second meeting today (my first meeting) and I thought I'd try and spread the word a bit :) we're thinking of other things rather than just a camera that we could send up, just brainstorming at the moment.
[22:37] <craag> m1sf1t: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[22:37] <craag> Yeah as much as a camera gets you cool photos, it's fun to do something novel!
[22:38] <fsphil> lasers
[22:38] <m1sf1t> craag: Yeah definitely, we're going to use a camera as a test flight, really get the hang of it, and then see what more is possible :)
[22:39] <Upu> I'm in Halifax m1sf1t
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[22:39] <Upu> so close
[22:39] <Upu> ish
[22:40] <m1sf1t> Upu: if you can get to the city centre once a month, and you're up for it, get involved! Most of it is alo organised online too.
[22:41] <Upu> I have quite a few launches this month already but if you need a hand just yell
[22:43] <m1sf1t> Upu: thanks :) good to know we have experienced people to talk to once we get stuck on something. I need to read the ukhas wiki. That's where I found the link to this channel.
[22:43] <Upu> yup its a good resourse
[22:43] <Upu> resource
[22:43] <Laurenceb> m1sf1t: Derby
[22:43] <fsphil> it has most things if you can find it
[22:43] <fsphil> not the easiest thing in the world to search
[22:44] <craag> dokuwiki search isn't great
[22:44] <Upu> if you're planning on using an NTX2B m1sf1t use this link http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=617 rather than the one on the Wiki
[22:44] <m1sf1t> fsphil: haha they said that today.
[22:44] <Upu> I will revise the wiki one at some point
[22:44] <craag> sometimes better to google and limit it to the wiki
[22:45] <m1sf1t> fsphil: that it wasn't easy to navigate, and you'd have to pretty much read it all. The other guys organising it know a lot more about it than I do.
[22:46] <craag> Upu: Btw been playing with your dominoex code today, shoehorned it into an interrupt state machine, works great, until I add in GPS code...
[22:46] <Upu> something messing with the timing ?
[22:47] <craag> Timing is fine, getting memory corruption. I might have a buffer overflow somewhere..
[22:47] <craag> Anyway, cheers for the article on it, made it super easy to get decoding!
[22:48] <Upu> nps its mosly fsphil's code tbh
[22:53] <Upu> anyone got spacenear.us open at the moment ?
[22:54] <Upu> if you have can you screen shot B-41
[22:54] <Upu> as I've deleted the track
[22:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> I have a set of KML files for the path for B-41
[22:56] <Upu> those any good Leo ?
[22:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> This one has all the track http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/index.php?ind=2
[22:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> the others are various parts/times
[22:59] <LeoBodnar> yes, cheers
[23:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/index.php?ind=4 this one has all sorts inside not all are shown until you tick the extra boxes!
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[23:03] <craag> Hmm batc/ukhas conferences on same weekend
[23:04] <craag> haha and the IoW event that caused my sleep deprivation last year is also on the same weekend, fun times!
[23:04] <fsphil> who needs sleep eh
[23:04] <Upu> is it ?
[23:05] <Upu> crap
[23:07] <Laurenceb> i bet B-41 burst due to updrafts
[23:07] <Laurenceb> looks like it flew over some very serious terrain at high windspeed
[23:09] <Laurenceb> i worked out how to improve tracking
[23:09] <Laurenceb> drop anthrax from the balloon
[23:09] <WillTablet> I could probably convince my granddad to take me to the UKHAS conference but he'd probably be bored and fall asleep
[23:09] <Laurenceb> then see where outbreaks occur
[23:09] <WillTablet> Laurenceb: great idea, I mean you might get some prison time but #YOLO[swag]
[23:10] <arko> batc has a conference?
[23:10] <Laurenceb> teleconference surely :P
[23:11] <craag> They do a BiAGM and then a technical conference in alternate years
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[23:12] <craag> Last year was the technical conference up in Finningley
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[23:12] <craag> This year is the BiAGM in Basingstoke
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[23:21] <mikestir> LeoBodnar: Upu: http://www.mike-stirling.com/files/b41.png
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[23:22] <LeoBodnar> nice, thanks mikestir and Geoff-G8DHE
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[23:23] <amell> i dont understand the batc website. Why not just use youtube live, much better functionality.
[23:25] <craag> amell: It existed well before youtube live
[23:25] <amell> oh god, someone deleted B41. RIP, you entertained me for over a week.
[23:26] <amell> Any chance of a little advance warning for B42?
[23:30] <fsphil> hah
[23:30] <craag> To quash common misconception, batc.tv is a side project of the BATC run by just one guy. The BATC is far more than just the streamer!
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