highaltitude.log.20140320

[00:00] <gonzo_> no, it was causing a noise in her ears as ahe went passed on the bus. Problems with her hearing aid??? Nope she didn't have one. She was getting ringing in the ears and reconed it was thisnguy';s HF beam
[00:00] <amell> comedy
[00:01] <gonzo_> fsphil, are you trying to take dave's crown, launching in shitty wx?
[00:01] <fsphil> looks like. though I've done it before
[00:01] <gonzo_> (Mine was absolute downpour)
[00:01] <fsphil> almost every launch I've done was either snow/ice or wind
[00:01] <fsphil> this weekend appears to be both snow and wind
[00:02] <amell> eh? not here it isnt
[00:02] <amell> where u at? norway?
[00:05] <amell> do i need this? http://www.nevadaradio.co.uk/antenna-accessories/lightning-arrestors/nevada-uhf-090
[00:06] <mfa298> they're potentialy worth having - but you want to use N connectors where possible not pl259/so239
[00:06] <mfa298> you'de also need some good wire and a good ground rod to connect it to
[00:07] <mfa298> and it may not fully protect against a strike
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[00:21] <gonzo_> lightening arrestpors are only any good for discharging static and induced voltage from nearby strikes. A direct strike there is not much you can do
[00:22] <gonzo_> I'd not mess about with arrestors on UHF, probably will add loss
[00:24] <gonzo_> a bit of hookup wire and a resistor in the shack would be more than enough to sort any static buildups. it all depends on how you wire the shack end as to whether you even need that
[00:25] <mfa298> I'd think of them as a bit of added insurance in case you're unable to take suitable precautions (disconnecting things) in a storm. But it's not a replacement for taking those precautions
[00:25] <mfa298> and a bad idea if it leads you into a false sense of security
[00:25] <gonzo_> they all look to be crappy So239 stuff. And only really any point on big hf/wire ants where static will build up
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[01:25] <g0pai_ian> Bloke moved into a house, looked up at his neighbour's antennas and was not too happy. Noticed that his satellite TV kept cutting out periodically, so payed his £64 and complained to ofcom.
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[01:26] <g0pai_ian> Ofcom guy came and knocked at the door of the amateur. Mentioned the problem and was told that it was normal as the dishes were regularly interrupted by aircraft on the approach to Birmingham International,
[01:26] <g0pai_ian> How to influence neighbours and make friends !
[01:27] <g0pai_ian> Too easy to take a reasoned approach, ask the question and save both face and £64 into the bargain.
[01:29] <g0pai_ian> amell: RG8 or RG213, but not RG58. 58 is good for a mobile installation where runs are very short and need to bend a lot, but it's crap. I can see that with a licence, that you are going to need to take a diplomacy course too and stick a pole up so as not to blow your neighbour's TV signal away.
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[02:28] <broguesquadron> Good morning
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[08:06] <SA6BSS> I saw the dscussion last night about powering lna over coax, this might be interesting http://www.johng4bao.webspace.virginmedia.com/Bravoao/Files/wideband_preamplifier_and_bias_tee.pdf
[08:11] <UpuWork> the habamp can do that
[08:12] <UpuWork> and it has filter
[08:14] <eroomde> i wasn't here so am perhaps missing contaxt, but what's to talk about re: powering an LNA over cax?
[08:14] <eroomde> that's how like all active antennas have worked since dinosaurs walked the earth
[08:18] <mfa298> I think the main bit was someone asking if they could use 25m of rg58 for hab, so the answer was along the lines of only if you have a preamp at the antenna
[08:18] <eroomde> IC
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[09:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning All :-)
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[10:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-41 has returned!!!
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[10:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> bearing 135 from Worthing just getting a decode
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[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> missed the RSID :-(
[10:37] <Reb-SM3ULC> cool
[10:37] <Reb-SM3ULC> packet uploaded?
[10:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not yet I'm getting rubbish decodes but uts very strong
[10:39] <daveake> Definitely B41? Not Leo launching B42? :p
[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/index.php?ind=8
[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its not decodong however its a pattern but rubbish
[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> <<2014-03-20T10:40Z Contestia @ 434500473-1000>>
[10:41] <daveake> Looks plenty strong enough to be decoding properly
[10:41] <UpuWork> hmm
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed I just swung the aerials around as it was due but really not expecting anything and zonk straight in
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its on daytime schedule as well
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Z.7R"%TP!7@%>@+T,%R,%T@%Z"%7,%Z"%T@%75,7,%T@%,E,Z,%H=
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> TE%7"ORY7A=;7,%Z"%R1%7,Q7,%7@Q71%_@QT=Y-=+7Y7Z@%H,%Z@Q7"%+,%T,%T=,7"7T,QT,!R"%7"7P,%T=%>D%TY%PY%T"+7Y%7"%P,%PG7T@,7Y+Z@!P,7#@;H,Q>=%,=;7
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> @Q>"%>Y%717=QT,%7Y%T+%7"++,%P,%T=QZ,7_,%7@%7"%7@Q7,%Z1%P,%T=,71%_Y+7@77Y%7=%7"%7=,>,QZ=%Z"%_"VT@+7.!7.%7@%T,%R=%R@%7@+-Y%T,!Q,,71%T"%T+;
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> T@%Z1,++VT+%T"%R,%T@VZ=7T,,T,+R+%T1Q,@%#
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> It definetly has a pattern to it
[10:42] <daveake> ping LeoBodnar have you launched another one?
[10:43] <UpuWork> can you give me a bearing from my QTH Geoff ?
[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> PAris 135 should be adequate
[10:43] <UpuWork> ta
[10:44] <Laurenceb> is there location in the RSID?
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[10:44] <UpuWork> possible signal
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> No RSID only gives Mode and can be AFC'd
[10:44] <UpuWork> tell me when you think it RX's
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> but I'm not decoding that either
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> you can see it clearly but not decoded
[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK RSID NOW
[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> its preceded by the double and triple blips
[10:46] <UpuWork> nothing seen
[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> weaker than previous now
[10:47] <UpuWork> its hard using SDR remotely
[10:47] <Laurenceb> sounds like a firmware issue
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> now
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> getting stringer again
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> stronger
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> blips veru obvious
[10:48] <UpuWork> I see "candidate" pips
[10:48] <UpuWork> 1 sec ?
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> now
[10:48] <UpuWork> now thats interesting didn't see anything but pips stopped
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> 10:48:15 seconds
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[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> 1049:15
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> 1 minute intervals
[10:51] <UpuWork> not sure these "pips" aren't local QRM
[10:51] <UpuWork> however they stop when you say it's doing RSID
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[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/Screenshot-2014-03-20-105037.png
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> and now
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[10:52] <LeoBodnar> morning
[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-41 returned but sebding gibberish
[10:53] <LeoBodnar> is BALLOONYOLO-41
[10:53] <LeoBodnar> still flying then?
[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its strong with me, passing Paris I guess
[10:54] <LeoBodnar> heh
[10:54] <Laurenceb> embarrassing pic asm screwup?
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> see the screenshots http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/index.php?ind=8
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> very stong nw
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> but neither RSID or contestia are decoding
[10:55] <LeoBodnar> interesting
[10:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> Geoff-G8DHE: record one and put on www?
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> but a clear pattern to what appears on the screen as decoded
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> good idea recording now will catch the next one
[10:56] <UpuWork> B-41 updated
[10:56] <LeoBodnar> very interesting failure
[10:56] <Laurenceb> wait wut
[10:56] <Laurenceb> it just updated
[10:57] <LeoBodnar> it did indeed
[10:57] <daveake> wow
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll get a cpouple of them
[10:57] <LeoBodnar> spit out from a black hole?
[10:57] <Laurenceb> check your asm :P
[10:57] <daveake> yeah it just proved that inflation happened
[10:58] <Laurenceb> ~37hours flight time so far
[10:58] <Laurenceb> not bad
[10:58] <Laurenceb> bbl
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/20-Mar-2014-105616 434.500300 MHz.wma
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh I haven't got a MIME type setup for WMA files
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> one minute
[11:01] <fsphil> oh no B-41's come back for revenge
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[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah its the spaces in the file name
[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes recording there but grab the whole url
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[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/20-Mar-2014-105616-434.500300 MHz
[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wrong again one sec
[11:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> Geoff-G8DHE: you have one of these maybe? ;) http://www.blocket.se/vi/51638876.htm
[11:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> in swedish.. but seem to be great product
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[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/B-41.wma
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes that works
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> very strong again now
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is mo one else hearing ?
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah a decode
[11:09] <UpuWork> I can see pips I'm sure
[11:09] <UpuWork> but nothing else
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> ON6LS got a decode
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> 30d/b s/n at present
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> so why am I not decding
[11:10] <LeoBodnar> hmm
[11:11] <LeoBodnar> did you change anything since two days ago?
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Got it managed to set dl-fldigi to LSB
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup decodes
[11:13] <LeoBodnar> ah
[11:13] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB Update: B-41 returned passing Paris 434.5 8/1000 Contestia mode tracking on http://t.co/op0g3lPWkU
[11:13] <tweetBot> #ukhas #hab
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[11:17] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb__: Now who's laughing :D [10:54] <Laurenceb> embarrassing pic asm screwup?
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Merely finger trouble at the Rx
[11:23] <Joel_re> UpuWork: ping
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[11:30] <staylo> Wow, didn't expect to see B-41 again. Congrats :)
[11:31] <mfa298> this is where it would be good if it was sending a log then we'de know where its been
[11:32] <LeoBodnar> i probably need to bring the log back
[11:32] <LeoBodnar> especially after going over France
[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> It must have been following the prediction almost perfectly http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/Actual-Prediction-201403190600.jpg
[11:34] <LeoBodnar> F5APQ is on the ball
[11:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> afternoon :-)
[11:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: back to the play :-) Congratulations :)
[11:35] <UpuWork> hey Joel_re
[11:35] <UpuWork> here ?
[11:35] <LeoBodnar> Hi Tom
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[11:37] <daveake> That's a great path
[11:37] <Student123> Good afternoon everyone i got a quick question and it would be splendid if you got answer this : Why is the atmega avr so popular in HAB's ?
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[11:37] <fsphil> because it's so simple
[11:37] <Darkside> Student123: what would you use?
[11:37] <UpuWork> 1/ its the base of the Arduino which was until the Pi turned up very popular
[11:37] <daveake> Many people start with an Arduino and that's what those have
[11:38] <UpuWork> 2/ Because of above there is lots of code availble
[11:38] Action: daveake waits for "not a PIC"
[11:38] <fsphil> has proved itself to be rather reliable
[11:38] <fsphil> (even the PIC)
[11:38] <fsphil> but the avr is much nicer to develop for than the PIC
[11:38] Action: SP9UOB-Tom loves PICs
[11:38] <Student123> Ye why would i pick a atmega over a pic ?
[11:38] <UpuWork> thats for you to decided Student123
[11:38] <Darkside> Student123: decent compilers
[11:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> even with stupid compiler ;-)
[11:38] <Darkside> more than one register
[11:39] <fsphil> no memory banking
[11:39] <UpuWork> people will think you are old and experienced if you use a PIC
[11:39] <UpuWork> :)
[11:39] <fsphil> hah
[11:39] <daveake> :)
[11:39] <fsphil> also mad
[11:39] <fsphil> in a good way
[11:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> UpuWork: do i look old ;-) ?
[11:39] <fsphil> unless you use that PIC basic thing
[11:39] <fsphil> in which case just mad
[11:39] <Darkside> PICAXE
[11:39] <Student123> Ye the fiftydollarsat uses a pic so thats why i'm doubting :p
[11:39] <UpuWork> haha Tom
[11:40] <UpuWork> $50 sat also uses an RFM22B and I wouldnt' reocmmend that
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[11:40] <Student123> ye i'm already suck with a rfm22b :/
[11:40] <Hade_> Is there a web page where I can find more info on B-41?
[11:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> UpuWork: im only 39 (today) :-)
[11:40] <Student123> stuck*
[11:40] <fsphil> I've used both and I definitly prefer the avr
[11:40] <fsphil> although PIC's datasheets where a bit easier to read
[11:40] <DL1SGP> good day folks!
[11:40] <nats`> [12:38:44] <Student123> Ye why would i pick a atmega over a pic ? <= are you trying to start a rumble ? :D
[11:40] <UpuWork> I'm older than you TOm :)
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/
[11:41] <Hade_> thx
[11:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> UpuWork: really? Impossible !
[11:41] <Student123> Just seeing what the general opnions are and since i've never done a HAB before
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[11:41] <fsphil> you're already on the right start, as you didn't ask about a Pi
[11:41] <Student123> Ye i used that thing last year on my quadcopter oh god
[11:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K183YETUB0Y
[11:42] <nats`> Student123 you can use whatever you want just needs to be low power
[11:42] <nats`> so take what you're familiar with
[11:42] <nats`> even cortex could be a good deal now
[11:42] <nats`> with some cortex running at hundreds uA/MHz
[11:43] <Student123> Ye think i'll start woth a atmega 328p
[11:43] <Student123> with*
[11:43] <gonzo_> what's the actual telem freq for B41?? (Not dial freq)
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> <<2014-03-20T11:46Z Contestia @ 434499650+1000>>
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Once a minute
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> starting at 11:47:05
[11:49] <LeoBodnar> 434.501500 +-
[11:49] <DL1SGP> danke LeoBodnar you have been granted permission to land it in my yard if it should get here :D
[11:49] <LeoBodnar> heh cool
[11:50] <fiftydollarsat> Student123: $50SAT uses a 40X2 PICAXE, its a PIC 18F4522 which runs the PICAXE Basic firmware.
[11:50] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: you are a generous one
[11:50] <gonzo_> ta Leo, I'll point a beam in that dir
[11:52] <UpuWork> PICAXE ?
[11:52] <UpuWork> WHERE IS MIKE!
[11:52] <UpuWork> DAVEAKE ---/\ PICAXE
[11:52] <fsphil> GET 'EM!
[11:53] <UpuWork> ping eroomde
[11:53] <UpuWork> ping daveake
[11:53] Action: UpuWork ducks
[11:53] <Student123> aha now i have you here fiftydollarsat : may i ask you a question : what is your filter between rfm22b and your antenna ?
[11:54] <fiftydollarsat> Which RFM22D and Which antenna ?
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[11:56] <Student123> fiftydollarsat : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l3919wtfiywk2gf/oN5oqvlIBc/Hardware%20Designs/Processor%20and%20Radio%20Board/%2450SAT%20Flight%20Version%20Schematic.pdf sorry for the long link but in the lower right corner
[11:58] <UpuWork> The RFM22B is end of life
[11:59] <UpuWork> and I would strongly suggest you make your own based on the newer SI chips
[11:59] <UpuWork> its not that hard
[11:59] <fsphil> it wasn't a terribly good life anyway
[11:59] <mattbrejza> is there a tcxo si4060 breakout?
[11:59] <UpuWork> no I'm suprised its worked so well (at all) in this $50 sat
[11:59] <mattbrejza> (before i make my own)
[11:59] <Darkside> theres a few breakouts on alixpress
[11:59] <UpuWork> not that I'm aware of with a TCXO on
[11:59] <nats`> yep there are
[11:59] <Student123> upuwoek : i've read so and i want to use a SI4464 but i'm stuck with the rfm22b for now
[11:59] <UpuWork> unstick :)
[11:59] <nats`> they come from a bigger kit with a mainboard
[12:00] <nats`> http://www.silabs.com/products/wireless/EZRadioPRO/Pages/Si4461-868-PDK.aspx
[12:00] <nats`> mattbrejza only take the radio board
[12:00] <mattbrejza> will probably be cheaper to make my own rather than get an official dev board @{
[12:00] <nats`> the filter is fitted for 868 or 915 but it's not a problem to use it for 430
[12:00] <UpuWork> as an engineer sometimes you have to tell management "this isn't suitable" "this needs changing" "I need more money"
[12:00] <mattbrejza> :P
[12:01] <fiftydollarsat> The filter is a LFCN490D, not fitted on the flight board. Its really there as on option for terestrial use as the RFM22B puts out quitye a lot of 3rd harmonic.
[12:01] <UpuWork> the problem with $50 sat for me anyway is every time it does an orbit and transmits I have to eat yet more of my hat
[12:01] <nats`> http://www.silabs.com/products/wireless/ezradio/pages/ezradiotestcards.aspx <= mattbrejza 50$
[12:01] <nats`> ;)
[12:02] <navrac_work> as a manager you sometimes have to say 'it will have to do' and 'theres no more money'
[12:02] <UpuWork> lol
[12:02] <UpuWork> anyway afk
[12:02] <mattbrejza> i guess $50 is better than i was assuming it would be
[12:02] <nats`> 50$ is just the breakout board with the si44xx
[12:02] <LeoBodnar> i have been ranting about Arduino RF breakout
[12:03] <mattbrejza> are they txco?
[12:03] <LeoBodnar> which is just a bare Si4463
[12:03] <mattbrejza> tcxo rather
[12:03] <fiftydollarsat> As for the 'end of life' of the RFM22B, that may be the case as far as HopeRF are concerned, but there a few other Si4432 modules out there, which are likley going to be around for a while yet.
[12:03] <LeoBodnar> if it is it would be special Arduino TCXO
[12:04] <nats`> mattbrejza no xtal
[12:04] <LeoBodnar> sorry, it's an Arduino crystal https://www.tindie.com/products/DORJI_COM/arduino-si4463-compact-transceiver-module/
[12:04] <Student123> Quick question what i be able to receive rfm22b in rtty at 50 baud or so on a icom 910 ?
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[12:05] <mattbrejza> meh ill do it myself
[12:05] <nats`> pretty easy
[12:05] <nats`> the input filtering is a joke
[12:05] <fiftydollarsat> As for a 'replacement' for the Si4432 itself, the Si4463 (Dorji do one) has to be the best bet, as its 'packet' compatible with the Si4432 in the RFM22B.
[12:06] <nats`> just for information mattbrejza if you use the GPIOs on top left of the chip
[12:06] <nats`> put a little inductance on them
[12:06] <mattbrejza> er ok :/
[12:06] <nats`> it's not mandatory but it can avoid some error
[12:06] <nats`> theyr are near the RX path
[12:07] <mattbrejza> a resistor to reduce the rise time is probably also just as good?
[12:08] <nats`> I always prefer inductor or ferrite bead but it should be enough
[12:08] <nats`> actually it works without it
[12:08] <nats`> it's just to be sure
[12:08] <mattbrejza> is that on the spi stuff or just gpio?
[12:08] <nats`> gpio :)
[12:08] <nats`> spi is on the opposite side
[12:08] <mattbrejza> ok
[12:08] <nats`> but 2 of the 4 gpios are near the rx path
[12:08] <mattbrejza> oh i see
[12:10] <fiftydollarsat> student123: There is a circuit diagram showing the circuit diagram of $50SAT as launched, all unused bits removed;
[12:10] <fiftydollarsat> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l3919wtfiywk2gf/Pwg56GxMRi/Hardware%20Designs/Processor%20and%20Radio%20Board/%2450SAT%20Schematic%20-%20Simplified.pdf
[12:11] <mattbrejza> shame the matching/filter is more effort on this than the cc1101 stuff (due to the balun/filter all in one component)
[12:12] <PE2G> The De Bilt (central NL) ozone sonde was launched at 11:40 UTC and measured a windspeed of ~30 m/s at ~8500 m
[12:12] <PE2G> http://s17.postimg.org/ipeuzd9n3/Screen1356.jpg
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[12:12] <Darkside> 108kph isnt that fast
[12:13] <DL1SGP> goeden middag PE2G, parsing toe APRS?
[12:13] <Student123> fiftydollarsat : awesome thanks without this help i'd be lost
[12:14] <PE2G> Hallo DL1SGP, no, I'm afraid not.
[12:14] <nats`> mattbrejza yes and no
[12:14] <DL1SGP> bedankt :)
[12:14] <nats`> you can make the filter lighter basically it's a low pass
[12:14] <PE2G> First greens from B-41
[12:14] <nats`> you can even use the rx path in single ended
[12:15] <nats`> but in that case you loose 3dB
[12:15] <G8APZ> Dial freq?
[12:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> <2014-03-20T12:12Z Contestia @ 434498826+1000>
[12:15] <mattbrejza> the cc1101 can use a single 50p component for both rx and tx matching, much easier :P
[12:15] <G8APZ> RR Thanks
[12:16] <nats`> easier yes, much... :D
[12:16] <nats`> anyway if you feel more confortable with the TI why not using it ?
[12:17] <mattbrejza> want more power
[12:17] <mattbrejza> different application
[12:18] <mattbrejza> also smaller frequency steps
[12:18] <DL7AD_> LeoBodnar: do you have a log?
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[12:20] <G8APZ> Nothing here, or harder to find than usual!
[12:21] <DL7AD_> Geoff-G8DHE: what did i tell yesterday? :D balloon is still flying! ;D
[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is always hope, hence tuning in this morning!
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[12:25] <amell_> leobodnar: congratulations on B-41 reincarnation :)
[12:28] <G8APZ> I don't think it is reincarnation, just no trackers in S and SW France or wherever it's been!!
[12:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> It must have been following the prediction almost perfectly http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/Actual-Prediction-201403190600.jpg
[12:29] <amell_> Yup. I didn't mean that it died. just heartwarming to see the little balloon reappear :)
[12:29] <G8APZ> It look like it Geoiff...pity there is a duff spot where it bounces the track back to an earlier position....
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[12:30] <gonzo_> a history broadcast on the hour??
[12:30] <amell_> do we have an up to date path prediction?
[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup once in Habitat the records stay I just edit them out at the end
[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> See http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-41/index.html
[12:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> No history/log files
[12:31] <amell_> that path should produce some good tracking data.
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[12:32] <amell_> any idea when aprs will activate, is it allowed in belgium and netherlands?
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[12:33] <G8APZ> I can't see the blips so it isn't as loud as it should be at the distance/height - G-02 was preety loud at lower altitude in same area
[12:33] <LeoBodnar> as soon as out of France APRS will restart
[12:34] <DK6WX> hello together, is B-41 really on Contestia 8/1000 ?...autoconfig tells me DomEx 16 ???
[12:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> It is Contestia turn on the RxID top right corner, its just that Contestia isn't in the auto config list
[12:35] <amell_> thats a shame, will confuse people.
[12:35] <DK6WX> tnx
[12:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> RxID will allow auto switching to the right mode and also allows AFC to operate
[12:36] <DK6WX> signal still vy weak here, but I give it a try...
[12:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> You might be suprised how well RSID and Contestia get thru!
[12:39] <DK6WX> elevation is still too low for my qth, bcus obstacles in my NW-sector
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[12:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes your right on the edge at present
[12:42] <G8APZ> No UK trackers on map... should be plenty
[12:44] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: low temp lipos look to be working
[12:44] <Laurenceb__> will there be a log transmission?
[12:44] <G8APZ> spoke too soon!
[12:44] <LeoBodnar> no i haven't enabled logs since moving to Contestia
[12:45] <LeoBodnar> for some reason
[12:46] <PE2G> The bips changed interval, a minute ago, sounded like 2 bips/sec
[12:46] <f5vnf> it is a disappointment to not hear ballons when they get down this way
[12:47] <PE2G> Normal again now
[12:47] <Laurenceb__> ok
[12:47] <Laurenceb__> itd be a useful feature it seems
[12:48] <LeoBodnar> sure
[12:48] <Laurenceb__> whats the charge cutout voltage?
[12:49] <Laurenceb__> 4.4v?
[12:49] <LeoBodnar> 4.32V
[12:49] <Laurenceb__> ok
[12:49] <LeoBodnar> it's peaked now
[12:49] <Laurenceb__> crazy
[12:49] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, quick question... The spv1040 is it that 22k/10k vd that sets the output voltage and why we are seeing that as the battery voltage?
[12:50] <G8APZ> PE2G How loud are your sigs?
[12:50] <LeoBodnar> yes it sets the maximum output voltage
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[12:54] <PE2G> G8APZ: Far weaker than G-02 was. Rx started here at -0.2 deg, compared to -0.6 for G-02
[12:54] <PE2G> There is also very slow fading
[12:56] <G8APZ> PE2G OK thanks... I cannot even find the beeps or pips
[12:57] <PE2G> I have it on 434.500.7 cursor 1480 Hz
[12:57] <G8APZ> antenna here is omni X-50 perhaps you have a yagi
[12:58] <PE2G> Correction, 434.500.9 cursor 1480 Hz
[12:58] <gonzo_> just out of blue circle for me. Though I have heard and decoded leo's dominoex in that condition before
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[12:59] <G8APZ> I'm in the blue circle and cannot hear it
[12:59] <LeoBodnar> it's a 2m dipole so 434MHz is a bit weak on it
[13:00] <G8APZ> crossed border into Belge
[13:00] <PE2G> Now at +0.3 deg, I sometimes have partial decodes, which didn't happen with most other B flights
[13:00] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar usual prioblem then
[13:00] <gonzo_> should still work, as a 1-1/2wave at 70cm
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[13:01] <Laurenceb__> Belgium :P
[13:01] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, when you run dual band, is the lpf on the si chips just the 434mhz version and you just run 2mtrs through that same lpf/match?
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[13:03] <G8APZ> gonzo theory and practice...I've never had good 70cm sigs when Leo uses GPRS
[13:03] <Laurenceb__> APRS is back
[13:04] <aadamson> I guess what I'm trying to understand is that the Si chip wants a frequency specific match/lfp and so how are you handling that on both 70cm and 2mtrs?
[13:05] <Laurenceb__> x-f.lv shows the battery voltage climbing
[13:05] <Laurenceb__> looks like the battery is working ok
[13:05] <nats`> aadamson it's jsut a low pass and the matching is loosy
[13:06] <nats`> you just need to be sure to not overload the PA
[13:06] <G8APZ> I barely hear at the moment, but FLDIGI has heard something!! It says "Before RSID: <<2014-03-20T13:02Z DominoEX 16 @ 434500+1076"
[13:06] <nats`> since it's a switched current mode one you don't want to destroy the FET
[13:06] <LeoBodnar> 2m through the 70cm filter aadamson
[13:06] <aadamson> nats`, so it's the same 434mhz match/lpf that he usually uses, and he's just running 2mtr through it ^ - thanks LeoBodnar
[13:06] <aadamson> is aprs running at the same 10mw?
[13:07] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[13:07] <aadamson> that'd be one way to not overload the pa :)
[13:07] <LeoBodnar> I use Si4060 so it naturally does not have oomph to destroy itself
[13:07] <aadamson> it's the 13 or 16 db part?
[13:07] <LeoBodnar> it would be an issue with 4463
[13:07] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: rf switch and 2m/70cm matching networks?
[13:07] <LeoBodnar> 13dB
[13:08] <aadamson> Laurenceb__, I'm thinking of that very thing actually
[13:08] <nats`> with the 4463 and his 20dBm you can easily blow the PA
[13:08] <aadamson> just wondering how one will effect the other with a comment antenna connection
[13:08] <nats`> in fact the 4463 have a different matching schematic
[13:08] <Laurenceb__> maybe a SPST
[13:08] <LeoBodnar> yeah it's a different appnote
[13:09] <Laurenceb__> with a "plug in" matching addition
[13:09] <Laurenceb__> for 2m / 70cm
[13:09] <Laurenceb__> i have no clue if this would actually be possible ;P
[13:10] <nats`> Laurenceb__ yes in the appnote they use a rf switch for an example of separate RX/TX
[13:10] <nats`> you can use it in reverse
[13:10] <Laurenceb__> i know
[13:10] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[13:11] <Laurenceb__> i was just looking at the battery voltage, if i extrapolate the trend it seems like ~3.8v overnight
[13:11] <Laurenceb__> first nigh was amazing
[13:12] <Laurenceb__> steady 3.9v at -43C
[13:12] <Laurenceb__> i bet this could have done the arctic circle
[13:13] <LeoBodnar> i did not want to risk it
[13:13] <Laurenceb__> "only" another 20C lower :D
[13:13] <LeoBodnar> heh
[13:13] <LeoBodnar> even Ultimate Lithium froze over
[13:14] <aadamson> https://www.hittite.com/products/index.html/category/305 - every kinda RF switch you'd want
[13:15] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, when you switch to aprs, does it stop contestia, or are they on separate intervals?
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[13:15] <LeoBodnar> they are interspersed
[13:16] <aadamson> tnx
[13:16] <LeoBodnar> but send the same data
[13:16] <LeoBodnar> i think APRS is therefore a few seconds fresher
[13:17] <aadamson> what is the aprs call?
[13:17] <amell_> i was just going to ask that
[13:17] <amell_> moxer?
[13:17] <UpuWork> -11
[13:17] <LeoBodnar> m0xer-11 indeed
[13:17] <amell_> ah. 0 not O
[13:17] <Laurenceb__> aprs telemetry is working nicely too
[13:18] <Laurenceb__> very cool
[13:18] <amell_> impressive accuracy of APRS turn on when crossing the border.
[13:18] <G8APZ> finally got a green on B-41
[13:18] <amell_> might have been a few metres too early ;)
[13:18] <aadamson> ah, so it looks like it does the same thing on aprs, it double beacons on the interval?
[13:20] <aadamson> and the interval is every minute it appears or is some of that a relay between habhub and aprs?
[13:21] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar That first block of the two quite often corrupts at start of the block....
[13:21] <G8APZ> second block is usually fine
[13:21] <LeoBodnar> yes Geoff mentioned that
[13:22] <LeoBodnar> need either more time or extra sync block inbetween
[13:22] <G8APZ> I'm getting marginal sigs, with occasional green,
[13:23] <G8APZ> so the signal level doesn't help... I have seen that effect before when I had to manually allow for drift each time
[13:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I've been wiped out by local QRM for the last 40 minutes
[13:24] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: do you use polygon based geofences?
[13:24] <G8APZ> I miss the $$B on the first block
[13:25] <amell_> Geoff: are you being interfered with?
[13:25] <Laurenceb__> that sounds wrong
[13:25] <G8APZ> LOL
[13:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> In the right sense yes! I'm not however in Preston Crown Court ;-)
[13:26] <G8APZ> Good reference Geoff!!
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[13:26] <G8APZ> Order!!!
[13:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Watching the news downsatirs!
[13:28] <LeoBodnar> yes polygon country borders
[13:28] <LeoBodnar> this turned out to be least memory hungry
[13:29] <Laurenceb__> in asm ?!!
[13:29] <LeoBodnar> sure
[13:29] <LeoBodnar> how else?
[13:29] <Laurenceb__> you're crazy :D
[13:30] <LeoBodnar> i know :D
[13:30] <amell_> more awesomeness from leobodnar
[13:30] <amell_> is this a arduino? presumably uC has float support.
[13:30] <Laurenceb__> in b4 rage
[13:31] <aadamson> avr with float?? I don't think so
[13:31] <Laurenceb__> amell__ is trolling
[13:31] <amell_> geofences with polygons and gps surely requires float support.
[13:32] <aadamson> course saying arduino any more doesn't seem to mean avr either :(
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[13:32] <amell_> just looked at code. https://github.com/ProjectSwift/swift/blob/master/geofence.c all ints.
[13:32] <aadamson> ah, you can do float on avr, just all software based, in fact you can do it on any processor, just takes code and speed
[13:33] <aadamson> and yeah, there are tricks to use int math for *float*
[13:33] <DL7AD_> LeoBodnar: are you going to recode you log function?
[13:34] <aadamson> what did this *log* function do, store a log internally and *sorta back replay* is as it went along to fill in any gaps in telemetry./
[13:34] <aadamson> ?
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[13:35] <amell_> sounds expensive, but you could replay log for 5 min intervals once every hour.
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[13:37] <Laurenceb__> looks like the battery was charged by 11:30 local time
[13:37] <Laurenceb__> not bad
[13:37] <amell_> this balloon could make australia.
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[13:39] <mfa298> aadamson: that's pretty much what it did, I think it kept something like positions for every 30 mins and played them back once an hour meaning it could remember a couple of days worth of positions (and break spacenear.us)
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[13:40] <aadamson> mfa298, hehe - thanks
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[13:44] <Reb-SM3ULC> I like that the battery is better charged now than on start...
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[13:46] <g0pai_ian> Any details of the solar cells in use plaeas? Obviously there are weight constraints,
[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/Pages/2.html
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[13:48] <aadamson> g0pai_ian, there are 1x3 (inch) solar cells, you can pick the up on ebay at 50 at a time - how do I know, I just got 50... and they are *wicked* light
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> very fragile
[13:49] <aadamson> yes - very, .5v if I remembery right
[13:49] <aadamson> per cell
[13:50] <Laurenceb__> the voltage is on the telemetry
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[13:52] <UY0LL_> Ukrainian amateur radio HAB club https://www.facebook.com/ukrhab
[13:54] <DL7AD_> UY0LL_: cool :) liked
[13:54] <aadamson> thats an interesting question actually, most of these cells are .5v per sell and yet telem shows .6<something> so how are they connected? series/parallel?
[13:54] <aadamson> sell = cell
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[13:56] <Hade_> Warmed up a lot. -10c to -2c in a couple of hours.
[13:57] <UY0LL_> Sven DL7AD, gd. Received your info regarding B-41, tnx U. Unfortunately I'm far from the home, can't to observe. :(
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[13:57] <g0pai_ian> They are certainly impressive photos aadamson. more than food for thought. thank you.
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[13:58] <aadamson> I suppose I may have answered my own question... while .5v per cell is optimum, it may be that they are in series and while you'd think that they could give 1v, goes to show how non-optimal solar can be.
[13:58] <LeoBodnar> aadamson: open circuit (and MPP) depend on temperature
[13:59] <aadamson> yeah, I just figured all that out, they are in series however correct/>
[13:59] <aadamson> ?
[13:59] <LeoBodnar> approaching 0.7V at low temperatures
[13:59] <LeoBodnar> -30C or so where it is now
[13:59] <aadamson> yeah... makes sense... interesting stuff, thanks for the death by paper cuts questions/answers!
[13:59] <LeoBodnar> no, in parallel
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[14:00] <LeoBodnar> PV is a P-N diode
[14:00] <LeoBodnar> there is a great website somewhere, let me search for it
[14:02] <aadamson> hmm... then I'm even more confused (just when I thought I had it figured out)... if the cells are .5v optimal, and they are in parallel, I wouldn't expect the cell volts to be higher than .5v?
[14:02] <DL1SGP> LeoBodnar: I think it was on the internet :)
[14:02] <LeoBodnar> This rocks -> http://www.slideshare.net/josephylee/introduction-to-photovoltaic-device-physics
[14:02] <LeoBodnar> found on the internet in the end Felix :D
[14:03] <eroomde> somebody pinged?
[14:04] <UpuWork> its ok eroomde
[14:04] <mfa298> eroomde: I think UpuWork was trying to summon the ranks (and failed) at around 11:50
[14:05] <eroomde> oh well
[14:05] <eroomde> can we kill anyone after the fact?
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[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Typical B-41 goes past 300+Kms and QRM turns back off !
[14:10] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, I'm still a bit confused (probably a lot actually). The cells are .5v optimal right? in parallel, the total voltage of the two will be .5v but the current will be the combined current. In series, it would be double the volts and basically single cell current. Similar to batteries (ignoring all the pv losses)... And yet you are at .6-.7v (non-optimal) Are these cells not .5v cells?
[14:11] <aadamson> and yes, I'm purposely ignoring the *mismatch stuff that can happen with pv cells in the above*
[14:12] <craag> aadamson: If he's not pulling optimal current (less than optimal), the voltage will rise.
[14:12] <craag> Also the optimal voltage rises at low temperature for pv cells
[14:13] <aadamson> craag, yes I understand that, but I thought the .5v was optimal, any lower temp, etc would be less etc?
[14:13] <aadamson> I'm just curious how he has a higher voltage than .5v in a loaded condition when in parallel on cells that are .5v optimal
[14:13] <aadamson> hence why I thought they were in series
[14:13] <aadamson> but then again I may not understand (don't actually) pv
[14:14] <craag> Because he's not pulling the optimal current, therefore there is loss vdrop in the panel impedance
[14:14] <craag> which means more vout
[14:14] <craag> and you get more vout at low temperature anyway
[14:14] <aadamson> oh, joy the mysteries of pv...
[14:14] <craag> because pv loves low temp
[14:14] <aadamson> ok, I guess I get to look foward to some experimentation... :)
[14:14] <craag> yeah... I had a full semester module on it :P
[14:15] <aadamson> where are those *diodes* :)... i may need a few
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[14:16] <aadamson> http://pveducation.org/pvcdrom/modules/mismatch-for-cells-connected-in-series - laymans version of LeoBodnar link :)
[14:17] <craag> cells in series doesn't work so well sometimes
[14:17] <aadamson> LeoBodnar, congrats on the re-birth! I unfortunately need to go do real work today... but I go shipping notice on my boards so maybe the weekend will provide lots of resin smell
[14:17] <aadamson> yeah I read that as well... :)
[14:17] <craag> if you cover one cell, it's impedance skyrockets, blocking current from the other cell
[14:18] <craag> This is why you can reduce a large 12v panel output by about 90% by covering only 10% of it
[14:19] <craag> (discovered by accident when a rigger put one of our panels on the north side of a lamp-post)
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[14:22] <Joel_re_> if Im including a gsm module
[14:22] <fsphil> was the lamp post removed? :)
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[14:22] <Joel_re_> which has its rubber ducky antenna, where do I place it in the payload
[14:23] <Joel_re_> should the antenna stick out?
[14:23] <eroomde> not next to the gps antenna
[14:23] <Joel_re_> right
[14:23] <Joel_re_> it'll be far from that
[14:23] <eroomde> it will work better if it's sticking out
[14:23] <eroomde> and probably with a vertical polarisation
[14:23] <Joel_re_> ok yeah
[14:23] <eroomde> but i'd have though it'd be fairly tolerant to whatever, as other constraints demand
[14:23] <Joel_re_> well far == +-13cms
[14:23] <fsphil> phones and gps seem to coexist quite well
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[14:24] <mfa298> for the people interested in the RPi and PiCam looks like they've released some new firmware that offers 90fps capture and other fun modes http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/6475 - although it looks like rpi-update is currently broken so you can't easily download the firmware
[14:24] <eroomde> indeed, the risk is more the gps front end picking up from the gps directly, on the other side of any antennas and filters
[14:25] <Joel_re_> so the gps antenna is a patch antenna
[14:25] <fsphil> yea the new firmware seems to have broken the night exposure mode
[14:25] <Joel_re_> which will sit at the top
[14:25] <Joel_re_> just below the cover
[14:25] <fsphil> again
[14:25] <Joel_re_> nxt2 module goes to the bottom of the box
[14:25] <Joel_re_> and hooks to the antenna
[14:25] <eroomde> Joel_re_: patch antennas really like some ground plane underneath them
[14:25] <eroomde> eg 5cm x 5cm
[14:25] <Joel_re_> ok, good point
[14:26] <LeoBodnar> yeah the only proper way of extracting all the juice from two panels is to have two independent MPPT converters
[14:26] <mfa298> annoyingly I wanted to download the newer firmware to see if a bug I've found has been fixed (I'm not sure if it's a python library bug or firmware bug)
[14:26] <Joel_re_> eroomde: will add a pcb board
[14:27] <eroomde> Joel_re_: that'd be perfect
[14:27] <fsphil> some new PV roof installs have per-PV inverters
[14:27] <fsphil> that's gotta generate a fair bit of RF
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[14:28] <Joel_re_> do you guys use lithium iron ultimate batteries in the camera as well?
[14:28] <Joel_re_> I imagine the camera is exposed to all the elements so that would matter
[14:28] <eroomde> yes
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[14:31] <Joel_re_> in this antenna - http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html
[14:32] <Joel_re_> is it ok if the DE element is copper, while the rest is aluminium
[14:32] <eroomde> should be no probs
[14:32] <Joel_re_> I've got 1cm diameter aliminium rods
[14:32] <Joel_re_> aluminium*
[14:32] <Joel_re_> which are a pain to bend
[14:33] <Joel_re_> or well crack and cant be bent properly
[14:33] <eroomde> yagi element diameter does affect the geometry
[14:33] <eroomde> might be worth seeing if you can find a yagi calculator
[14:33] <eroomde> right gtg
[14:33] <eroomde> sorry
[14:33] <Joel_re_> ok, will check
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[14:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Heat the Alu rods first to about 380-400c to anneal them
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[14:34] <Joel_re_> Geoff-G8DHE: oh hrm
[14:34] <Joel_re_> I'll try that
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> I juststick them in a gas cooker flame for about 30secs-1 minute
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> but be warned they will melt if left too long!
[14:35] <Joel_re_> ok, so the diameter matters for the yagi?
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> then quench them no need to let them cool slowly
[14:35] <Joel_re_> ok
[14:36] <Joel_re_> they are about 1.5cms in diameter
[14:36] <navrac_work> it matters a little bit - but not hugely on a small yagi like that one - I use welding rods normally
[14:36] <Maxell> wow nive b-41
[14:36] <Joel_re_> from the outer edge
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh thats big! Normal would be a few mm 2-5mm at most
[14:36] <Joel_re_> yeah these are curtain rods :p
[14:36] <Joel_re_> hrm
[14:37] <navrac_work> err yeah, 1.5cm would change things a bit!
[14:37] <Joel_re_> so I'll need find lesser dia
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> annealing them won't help as they arent rods they are tubes
[14:37] <navrac_work> cut up coathangers?
[14:37] <Joel_re_> right, sorry I've been saying tubes
[14:37] <Joel_re_> hrm, ok will try those
[14:37] <Joel_re_> s/tubes/rods
[14:37] <Joel_re_> grr
[14:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Our DIY shops in the UK do 1m lengths of Alu/brass/steel shapes which aren't too bad a price given the ease of getting them.
[14:40] Action: mfa298 has a couple of dipoles made out of threaded rod from local DIY shops.
[14:41] <mfa298> I got hold of some longer threaded rod a couple of years ago with an aim to making a portable 6m dipole but I've not yet got a way to support it properly.
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/nails-screws-fixings-hardware/profile-metal-sheets-metal-rods/tubing___metal_rods/-specificproducttype-round_rods/FFA-Concept-Raw-Aluminium-Rod-L-1000mm-x-Dia-6mm-9284093?skuId=9293793 don't know if you have anything similar
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> they do them in 2mm-10mm sizes
[14:42] <craag> mfa298: I'd consider gamma matching those threaded rod dipoles if I did them again
[14:43] <craag> You could use a washer and a couple of nuts to adjust the feedpoint :)
[14:44] <g0pai_ian> It only takes one nut to adjust the feed point :)
[14:45] <craag> lol ina
[14:45] <craag> *ian
[14:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> :)
[14:45] <Joel_re_> Geoff-G8DHE: I should be able to find somethign similar
[14:45] <Joel_re_> close to 5mm
[14:46] <Joel_re_> or else I have a lot of welding rods
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> yer they work fine
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[14:56] <Maxell> yay partials @ home
[14:56] <Maxell> Before RSID: <<2014-03-20T14:56Z Contestia @ 437700+1598>>
[14:56] <Maxell> (PJ5541,140320,51.7083,4.7277,8478,8,-7,4.32,0.66*0470
[14:56] <Maxell> $$B-41,2588,145602,140320,51.7114,4.7332,8478,9,-6
[14:57] <Maxell> yagi about two meters above ground == meh
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[15:10] <G8APZ> I can hear B-41 warbling but too weak to decode... I'll lose it very soon anyway. Good luck B-41
[15:12] <gonzo_> it never popped above my horison.
[15:17] <G8APZ> gonzo_ it is still theoretically above mine but only just!
[15:17] <G8APZ> no greens since it was at 0.3 above horizon
[15:19] <G8APZ> now at the blue ring... I won't get any more decodes
[15:21] <fsphil> it never got above people at my horizon's horizon :)
[15:21] <fsphil> I hope this one floats for a few weeks
[15:23] <G8APZ> fsphil I suppose it could do given Leo's track record!
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[15:24] <Maxell> Rxing beeps and rsid decodes, contestia not.
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Most likely flight path for B-41 from Hy-Split prediction and actual http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-41_20140318/B-41_201403201520.jpg
[15:25] <Maxell> more luck at RevSpace...
[15:25] <Maxell> $$B-41,263-,152435,140320,51.9756,5.1747,8462,7,-5,4.32,0.66KDD46
[15:25] <Maxell> $$B-41,2640,152456,1483@:,51.-7!9*57(802,8
[15:26] <fsphil> we shouuld just transmit position using rsid
[15:26] <Maxell> domex
[15:26] <Maxell> it's called :)
[15:27] <fsphil> thor. domex done properly ;)
[15:27] <DutchMillbt> Hi habbers B41 back in town ...
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[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Contestia is much more tolerant of QRM whilst RSID is better with QRN
[15:28] <Maxell> can't we have slower contestia for better decoding at lower s/n ration?
[15:29] <G8APZ> Maxell do you have RXid ON (top right)
[15:29] <LeoBodnar> this is the fastest Contestia in dl-fldigi :)
[15:29] <Maxell> G8APZ: yeah on both statiobs
[15:29] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: why? no real need eh?
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[15:29] <LeoBodnar> just to save power
[15:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> By the way RxID is saved in the config, so once set and config saved it stays on next time
[15:29] <LeoBodnar> this is a "winter" mode
[15:30] <x-f> spring starts today!
[15:30] <LeoBodnar> heh maybe will do slower modes when it gets warmer
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[15:38] <Maxell> heheh LeoBodnar
[15:40] <fsphil> go for speed. 4800 bit/s
[15:43] <malgar> I would call B41 "La grande boucle - Tour de France"
[15:43] <malgar> LeoBodnar: great as usual :)
[15:44] <Maxell> 16:44:11$ fm M0XER-11 to APRS-0 via WIDE2-1 UI^ PID=F0 !/4,%IOpm.O 2m/A=027768|>@PW(7=l!)!'!!|
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[15:45] <Maxell> 16:45:21$ fm M0XER-11 to APRS-0 via PI1DFT-0,WIDE2-0 UI^ PID=F0 !/4+O!Oq6lO 2m/A=027683|>BPT(;=c!)!'!!|
[15:45] <Maxell> yay digipeats
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[15:47] <Maxell> 16:47:15$ fm M0XER-11 to APRS-0 via PI1DFT-0,WIDE2-0 UI^ PID=F0 !/4*XJOqt4O 2m/A=027572|>EPX'p=u!)!'!!| :)
[15:50] <gonzo_> Didn't one of Leo's do two big loops of france?
[15:50] <gonzo_> Or was it steve's latex float? I forget
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[15:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.b3ta.com/links/1063682
[16:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> mm, PIESKY ?
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-11/index.html
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_:
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[16:07] <G8APZ> PIESKY must be sending wrong lat/lon!
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[16:07] <G8APZ> Perhaps the longitude should be NEGATIVE?
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[16:09] <G8APZ> It just corrected .. to negative
[16:09] <fsphil> piesky?
[16:09] <eroomde> it's on the map
[16:09] <fsphil> not on mine
[16:09] <fsphil> just got B-41 and SP3OSJ_test
[16:10] <G8APZ> http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?filter=SD3
[16:10] <fsphil> that map is soooo much faster
[16:10] <fsphil> still no piesky
[16:11] <G8APZ> no - it has gone again
[16:11] <an112> What's B-41's freq?
[16:12] <PE2G> 434.500.9 cursor 1415 Hz
[16:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> On the wiki DL-FLDIGI setup pages I have added about RxID/RSID.
[16:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is there any method of notifying the owners of the translated pages about changes ?
[16:13] <eroomde> this is hilarious
[16:13] <eroomde> 'bar is of ukranian or russian origin and is supplied in random lengths'
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[16:13] <eroomde> ... from a quote
[16:14] <eroomde> that's some back-of-a-lorry shit right there]
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> Bar of what?
[16:15] <eroomde> stainless
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> 'Can you supply chi-squared proofs for randomness of bar lengths' ?
[16:15] <nats`> here is your stainless bar of 1mm Sir !
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> 'ukranian or russian origin, and may glow lightly in the dark'
[16:16] <nats`> SpeedEvil that's racist ! :D
[16:17] <mfa298> that's only if it's fresh from Chernobyl
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[16:18] <G8APZ> don't wear boxer shorts in Ukraine... Chernobyl fallout
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> hah
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[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> ping x-f
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> ping SP9UOB-Tom
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[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> ping mclane
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> ping cyclops
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> ping radim_om2amr
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> ping steve
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've altered the dl-fldigi pages on the Wiki you might wish to update the translations to include the RxID or RSID section at the bottom.
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[16:30] <G8APZ> Geoff-G8DHE a bit of a problem when "data" is duplicated...no real means to inform translators
[16:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup it depends on them noticing that there have been recent changes.
[16:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> trouble is not all of the userids are thesame on the wiki and here even :-(
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[16:34] <G8APZ> Geoff-G8DHE I see Mrs Merkel has said there will be no more G8 meetings... not that I'm bothered, I never got any invites anyway!
[16:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> I suspect the G7's will have ago now, you must have binned the emails as Spam I always got mine ;-)
[16:34] <G8APZ> Geoff-G8DHE it nees a warning marker to be set to indicate it needs updating.
[16:35] <G8APZ> yes perhaps, but G8VHI never got an invite either!
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[16:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> I seem to get several invites to conferences asking me to present papers etc. and always suggesting I book early for the hotels via there hotline pages ....
[16:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Never seem to be available for them shame :-(
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[16:41] <Laurenceb__> is there a flight prediction?
[16:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> of ?
[16:42] <Laurenceb__> B-41
[16:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> On his pages for B-41
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[16:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-41/index.html
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[16:44] <Laurenceb__> "Regular fligh"
[16:45] <Laurenceb__> but with low temp lipo?
[16:45] <PE2G> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/196020_trj001.gif
[16:45] <Laurenceb__> i wonder if there is aprs over turkey
[16:46] <Laurenceb__> hmm quite a bit
[16:48] <Laurenceb__> this should be interesting
[16:49] <G8APZ> Recall what a B-41 was....
[16:50] <G8APZ> or B41
[16:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> wait till eleven flights time he could carry a BIG payload :)
[16:51] <G8APZ> :-)
[16:52] Nick change: G8APZ -> G8APZ-away
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[16:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> he he Camborne sonde is targeting Larkhill for a landing site ...
[16:57] <LeoBodnar> heh sonde exchange programme
[16:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> recycling ?
[16:57] <LeoBodnar> extra hab points for landing a hab on another team's launchpad
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[17:04] <Maxell> APRS in turkey? hmmm
[17:04] <edusupport> On the NOTAM is the maximum diameter of balloon measured at ground level or at burst point
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[17:11] <fsphil> edusupport: I've always specified "at launch" on the form
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[17:16] <LeoBodnar> it's probably during the whole duration of the flight. otherwise "maximum" makes no sense
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[17:17] <LeoBodnar> </noob opinion>
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[17:20] <myself> just put the length of the great wall of china and wait for 'em to call you on it.
[17:22] <bertrik> nice to see B-41 made it back
[17:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: here i must provide diametra at fround level, and burst diameter, also time to reach 18 000 m amsl
[17:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> diameter
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[17:28] <Laurenceb__> the battery can hardly notice the low temperature
[17:28] <Maxell> bertrik: hoever RXing at home even with the yagi no luck. Heard the beeps and decoded the RSID but no contestia packets...
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[17:36] <Laurenceb__> of course flying west to east is cheating
[17:36] <Laurenceb__> the nights arent so long
[17:37] <Maxell> B-41's solar power already dropping. LeoBodnar, does it have power-saving for the night?
[17:38] <Laurenceb__> previously it was based on battery voltage
[17:42] <LeoBodnar> it still is
[17:42] <Maxell> he
[17:45] <G8APZ-away> anyone interested in 6m - 6V7SIX beacon received widely including UK
[17:46] Nick change: G8APZ-away -> G8APZ
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[17:48] <Maxell> G8APZ: too bad my licence does not cover the 6 meter band :(
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[17:49] <G8APZ> Maxell 6V7SIX beacon is on 50.0135MHz - there are few countries with no access to 6m... where are you?
[17:50] <G8APZ> That beacon is in Senegal and propagation mode is TEP - Trans Equatorial Propagation
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[17:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> nice drop of 30C...
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[18:06] <Laurenceb__> its getting pretty fast up there
[18:12] <Laurenceb__> OZ1SKY working some magic
[18:12] <Laurenceb__> ove rthe horizon
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[18:24] <G8APZ> Laurenceb__ Probably yagi and preamp!
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[18:51] <edusupport> 1st NOTAM app submitted :)
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[19:05] <G8APZ> udusupport is that for the Kent launch (NOT)
[19:05] <G8APZ> edusupport
[19:05] <G8APZ> perhaps Ross on Wye?
[19:08] <Upu> Ross onWye is Daveake
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[19:12] <G8APZ> OK can't remember where edusupport is! I've seen test habs on the map in Nottingham, Cambridge and Kent, so was guessing it was one of them
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[19:16] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS: skrev på ham.se
[19:17] <SA6BSS> kanon, vore bra arr ha en station i skånetrakten nu
[19:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS: den i kristianstad kan man ju fjärrlyssna på
[19:18] <SA6BSS> sida?
[19:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS: finns på global tuners
[19:19] <SA6BSS> ok
[19:19] <Reb-SM3ULC> kollar...
[19:20] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS: mm, inte...
[19:20] <SA6BSS> ser att den inte e upp nu¨¨
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[19:21] <G8APZ> B-41 heading for Sweden
[19:22] <G8APZ> Contestia 8/1000 use auto config and RXID on
[19:22] Nick change: G8APZ -> G8APZ-away
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[19:23] <SA6BSS> just the omni up, the yagi/lna setup is planed for this weekend
[19:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> G8APZ-away: alerted the community :)
[19:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> too much snow on roof for readjusting yagi..
[19:24] <SA6BSS> you got snow??
[19:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> 1 dm
[19:24] <SA6BSS> å
[19:25] <SA6BSS> jäklar
[19:25] <SA6BSS> 10gr varm o sol idag, lite blåsigt bara
[19:26] <edusupport> Its for a launch in birmingham its unlikley it will be approved without restrictions but I spoke to him on the phone and he advised me to submit it anyway
[19:27] <edusupport> We have a secondary site further south
[19:29] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS: dumpade en >10dm igår, töa lite under dagen, men nu fryst på...
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[19:44] <SA6BSS> Reb-SM3ULC: ok
[19:47] <amell> I'm getting a lot of incompatible encoding errors in IRC.
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[19:58] <amell> whats the difference between rg213u and rg213tm?
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[20:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> amell see the specs http://www.nevadaradio.co.uk/cables-leads-plugs/antenna-cable/nevada-rg-213u-100m-drum and http://www.nevadaradio.co.uk/cables-leads-plugs/antenna-cable/nevada-rg213tm----per-length
[20:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> inner dia smaller, braid coverage 90% as opposed to 98%
[20:02] <amell> attenuation appears identical
[20:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> only specced to 200MHz after that ... ?
[20:03] <Laurenceb__> any latex gurus here?
[20:03] <Laurenceb__> i need to force table text wrap
[20:03] <amell> anywhere else, that would be a very rude question
[20:03] <Laurenceb__> atm its overflowing to the right
[20:03] <Laurenceb__> heh
[20:03] <amell> oh LaTeX
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[20:07] <Laurenceb__> nvm i need parbox
[20:08] <sp5nvx> I'm looking for B-41 HAB author (Tom sp5nvx@wp.pl)
[20:08] <Laurenceb__> 80mph wow
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[20:10] <LeoBodnar> that would be me :)
[20:10] <LeoBodnar> welcome here
[20:10] <sp5nvx> Hello, can I ask q?
[20:11] <LeoBodnar> sure
[20:11] <myself> no! questions are not allowed!
[20:11] Action: myself stands akimbo and glares sternly
[20:11] <amell> agreed. No questions here
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[20:12] <sp5nvx> What type of balloon for so long, what battery is used?
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[20:14] <LeoBodnar> http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> 90cm Qualatex
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> LiPo battery + solar panel
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[20:15] <amell> The british lead the world in balloon technology.
[20:16] <amell> our balloons reach the parts other balloons do not.
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[20:16] <daveake> except for Mexicans
[20:17] <sp5nvx> Tnx Leo nice job!! I've been designing tracker Si4012/Atmega328p and i am looking for a power system.
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[20:17] <sp5nvx> http://obrazki.elektroda.pl/2973440000_1385365466.jpg
[20:18] <sp5nvx> LiPo 450mAhH ??
[20:20] <amell> B43 is getting cold. -43C
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> No, I have used 190mAh before
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> this one is 250mAh i think
[20:20] <amell> wondering why the lipo doesn't pack up at such cold temps
[20:21] <amell> -44C now
[20:22] <sp5nvx> the solar + step-up (pulse charge)?
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> yes
[20:23] <DL7AD> gurgalof: boo!
[20:23] <LeoBodnar> what did he do?! lol
[20:23] <gurgalof> DL7AD: are you a ghost?
[20:23] <DL7AD> gurgalof: rofl... did you get my mail?
[20:23] <sp5nvx> mny tnx, Leo
[20:24] <LeoBodnar> welcome
[20:24] <gurgalof> yes, I just moved saturday, so all my stuff are in boxes :(
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[20:24] <DL7AD> gurgalof: ah okay.... thought you were gone ;)
[20:24] <UKC_WTM5> how well insulated are the payloads that go up to 15, 30km?
[20:24] <gurgalof> have been busy lately
[20:25] <DL7AD> gurgalof: np... i just cleaned up my list. removed persons on which i cant count
[20:26] <aadamson> wow, ya leave for a little while and it's -43c and 80mph! yeeee haaaaw
[20:28] <gurgalof> DL7AD: I will send you my new coordinates any day soon, when I have som time to spare
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> winter olympics
[20:28] <DL7AD> gurgalof: thx
[20:28] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: you might do another artic record
[20:28] <gurgalof> but balloonwise it doesnt matter that much :P
[20:29] <gurgalof> just a couple of kilometers :P
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[20:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> anybody used hysplit in the last couple of hours ? No 1800 data and freezing at the processing page ?
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[20:33] <sp5nvx> Bye
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[20:35] <DL7AD> Geoff-G8DHE: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_11737&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
[20:35] <amell> DL7AD: now thats a much better map :)
[20:35] <ibanezmatt13> LeoBodnar, was B-11 one of your longest duration floats? Can't remember, I think it was still up at the conference?
[20:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-11 was the longest in travelled distance but not so much in range
[20:36] <amell> The iranians may shoot B-41 down.
[20:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> tks DL7AD
[20:36] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, yeah that's what I meant, the travelled distance. Thanks Geoff-G8DHE
[20:36] <DL7AD> yes it was because it was told in the conference. it has been at finland it this moment.
[20:36] <amell> suspected british spy balloon
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> longest by time too
[20:37] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, that was a great one. Did you do anything different to the others?
[20:37] <LeoBodnar> not really, just a good weather
[20:37] <DL7AD> Upu: evening. got the modules today :)
[20:37] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, very impressive
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[20:40] <amell> sorry why is aprs showing -7.8C and 70cm showing -43C
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> somebody is transmitting old packets into APRS network
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> let's see who
[20:41] <fsphil> not that again
[20:42] <Upu> they said they'd fixed it
[20:42] <LeoBodnar> 2014-03-20 20:39:06 GMT: M0XER-11>APRS,PE1NJN-10*,WIDE2*,qAR,PI1SGM-2:!/4)BGOrn_O 2m/A=027598|>JPU'm>0!)!'!!|
[20:42] <Upu> Cool DL7AD thx for confirmation
[20:42] <LeoBodnar> either PE1NJN-10 or PI1SGM-2
[20:43] <amell> 6218mph apparently :)
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> repeat of this 2014-03-20 15:49:51 GMT: M0XER-11>APRS,WIDE2-1,qAR,PD3EM-2:!/4)BGOrn_O 2m/A=027598|>JPU'm>0!)!'!!|
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> only 5 hours delay,
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[20:44] <Upu> find me their address I'll post them a free NTP GPS thing :)
[20:45] <amell> and a little envelope of anthrax spores too?
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[20:45] <Upu> haha
[20:47] Nick change: SP9UOB-Tom -> PRISM
[20:47] Nick change: PRISM -> PRISM__
[20:47] Action: PRISM__ is watching
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[20:47] Nick change: PRISM__ -> SP9UOB-Tom
[20:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> ;-)
[20:50] <LeoBodnar> are you a lizard Tom?
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> SP9UOB-Tom, I've altered the dl-fldigi pages on the Wiki you might wish to update the translations to include the RxID or RSID section at the bottom.
[20:51] <DJ3AK> B-41 out of range here now...
[20:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> When i was last watching to mirror i wasnt ;-)
[20:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> Geoff-G8DHE: thanks for info, i'll do the translation
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[22:17] <UKC_WTM5> Sorry, what's the channel to get flight docs approved again?
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[22:18] <mikestir> #habhub
[22:18] <jcoxon> #habhub
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[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[22:21] <UKC_WTM5> cheers
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[22:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> cool,b41 passing karlskrona city, miliatyr base.. :)
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[23:16] <amell> I see B-41 has corrupt comments
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[23:17] <amell> looks like someone hacked B-41
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[23:28] <g0pai_ian> amell* Try Moonraker for your coax - http://stores.ebay.co.uk/moonraker-eu/Coax-Cable-/_i.html?_fsub=409248019
[23:28] <amell> will this allow me to rake the moon with RF energy?
[23:29] <g0pai_ian> Sligltly cheaper, but reliable supplier, not so different from Nevada. but gives you the opportunity to buy rather than to debate it to death :)
[23:30] <amell> :)
[23:30] <g0pai_ian> Failing that, RG8, but not Rg58
[23:31] <amell> they don't seem to do 25m lengths
[23:31] <aadamson> amell, I doubt that's corrupt comments, its more likely the compressed aprs format that Leo is using right before the /qrv comment
[23:31] <amell> sorry to complicate matters
[23:32] <g0pai_ian> Well, you seemed to be looking at 100m lengths as I saw it - my eyes must be wide shut. Do I take it that you are looking for 25m? if so, at 70cm. I can recommend Aircell7
[23:33] <g0pai_ian> Not the cheapest, but better than RG213 and you only buy once in ten years and more.
[23:33] <amell> Aircell7 - £179 for 100m - yow!
[23:33] <amell> Ecoflex 10 Plus appears to be the dogs nads going by the price.
[23:35] <amell> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nevada-RG213TM-25-25m-length-of-low-loss-coaxial-cable-for-amateur-radio-CB-use-/400669924528?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Radio_Antennas&hash=item5d49c9dcb0 seems to be the best deal
[23:39] <g0pai_ian> http://www.ssb.de/product_info.php?language=en&info=p1479_Aircell-7--25m--Koaxkabel.html 67.97 Euro for 25m
[23:39] <g0pai_ian> Echoflex 10 and Echoflex 15 are very good, but as you say you have to temper the price/performance curve as well as the diameter of the cable to your own requirements.
[23:41] <g0pai_ian> What is it that they say about buying cheap and having to buy twice. Did you buy a little antenna recently, before the colinear?
[23:41] <amell> I did, but that was for the car ;)
[23:41] <g0pai_ian> OK, I'll accept that, but Aircell 7 is my recommendation.
[23:42] <g0pai_ian> RG213 is so 1960s
[23:43] <g0pai_ian> Buy your plugs to match the coax though; least you find that you are making nasty compromises, clamp plugs (like N type and BNC) are best.
[23:46] <amell> aircell 5 ok? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cable-Aircell-5-A5-0030-ultra-low-loss-coaxial-cable-price-for-30m-length-/400675903706?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Radio_Antennas&hash=item5d4a2518da
[23:47] <LeoBodnar> aadamson: some digis append their own info after digipeated packet which isn't cool in my opinion. aprs.fi remembers the last comments and keeps displaying them if there are no new ones
[23:47] <LeoBodnar> since i don't have any comments these stray ones keep dragging for days sometimes
[23:47] <LeoBodnar> it's a good idea to send some comments to flush these random ones
[23:48] <LeoBodnar> i will fix that in the future
[23:48] <fsphil> that's a bit crappy
[23:49] <mfa298> amell: the important things to consider with coax is the loss at the frequency you're interested in (434MHz for the majority of HABs) the lower the loss the better.
[23:49] <mfa298> you also want to consider the size of the coax and the bend radius
[23:50] <mfa298> diameter and bend radius may impact on how you can get the coax from the antenna into where you want it. Some of the really low loss coax may not like being bent as much as something like RG213
[23:50] <Maxell> hmm, b-41's status message is weird. Seems to originate from http://aprs.fi/info/a/OZ1KEC-9
[23:51] <mfa298> also when looking up loss figures make sure you're comparing the same numbers, some places do it by 100ft others by 100m some by various other random lengths
[23:51] <SIbot> In real units: 100 ft = 30 m
[23:53] <g0pai_ian> amell* you seem to be trying to drive it by price. Aircell 7 is my recommendation. Use RG58 or RG8 in a vehicle for flexibility.
[23:53] <g0pai_ian> Otherwise, makes a good bin liner!
[23:53] <amell> Sibot: how many m is 100000000000 ft ?
[23:53] <SIbot> In real units: 100000000000 ft = 30480000 km
[23:53] <amell> SIbot: thanks, now shut up.
[23:54] <fsphil> slowly and surely we're inching towards metric
[23:54] <g0pai_ian> :)
[23:54] <mikestir> g0pai_ian: presumably you mean RG8X?
[23:55] <mikestir> RG8 is just RG213 with a solid core
[23:56] <aadamson> and for some reason the relay over aprs has lost the telemetry ...
[23:56] <g0pai_ian> Not sure to be honest, thought RG8 had an 8mm jacket diameter
[23:56] <aadamson> lost telem to habhub that is
[23:56] <aadamson> it's there on aprs
[23:57] <mikestir> afaik the original RG8 is essentially the same as RG213. The slightly thicker than RG58 stuff is confusing known as RG mini 8 or RG8X
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[23:59] <g0pai_ian> Sounds about right, I defer to your knowledge, but yes recognise mini 8 as being what I was aluding to. Possibly incorrectly.
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