[00:00] <chrisstubbs> like you can on the RFM22B or Siwhatever
[00:00] <LeoBodnar> would it not be better to hack NTX2B and stick tracker firmware inside it
[00:01] <bertrik> interesting idea
[00:02] <chrisstubbs> I like this thinking :)
[00:03] <bertrik> the GPS has another microcontroller inside it
[00:03] <LeoBodnar> afaik MAX series uses OTP parts
[00:04] <LeoBodnar> NTX2B obviously isn't
[00:06] <LeoBodnar> There is so much going on inside GPS... While NTX2B mcu probably just configures PLL chip at startup and sits there doing nothing.
[00:06] <Willdude123> Is the way to program the firmware even documented?
[00:07] <chrisstubbs> Not in the radiometrix datasheet
[00:07] <Willdude123> Where would it be?
[00:08] <chrisstubbs> Maybe there are some IC's under the metal housing with some nice part numbers on then ;) not had one open before
[00:08] <chrisstubbs> Cant imagine they would be custom ones, would they?
[00:10] <LeoBodnar> Depending on how big Radiometrix is
[00:10] <LeoBodnar> Considering it can be reprogrammed it is probably some off-the-shelf MCU
[00:11] <bertrik> is it reprogramming the entire mcu, or just some setting?
[00:11] <LeoBodnar> Let's see what can we find online
[00:11] <LeoBodnar> Of course the whole thing, why stop half-way?
[00:11] <Laurenceb_> i has a micro?!
[00:11] <Laurenceb_> what micro?
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[00:12] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: its a PIC
[00:12] <Darkside> a tiny tiny pic
[00:12] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[00:12] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: *
[00:12] <Darkside> its basically has no RAM at all
[00:12] <LeoBodnar> heh here you go
[00:12] <LeoBodnar> If it has accumulator you are golden
[00:12] <Darkside> as it just has to push instructions into the Si chip
[00:13] <LeoBodnar> Well, Si chip has 8051 inside it
[00:13] <Darkside> nope
[00:13] <LeoBodnar> Ah, which Si chip is it?
[00:13] <Darkside> only some of thm do
[00:13] <bertrik> aaargh, another microcontroller! :)
[00:13] <Darkside> its a Si446X chip
[00:13] <LeoBodnar> Do you want a bet?
[00:13] <Darkside> Upu has a schematic
[00:13] <Darkside> this is the NTX2B right?
[00:13] <Darkside> or am i confused
[00:14] <Darkside> NTX2B has one of those Si446X chips and a weenie PIC
[00:14] <Darkside> cant find the schmatic that Upu did
[00:14] <LeoBodnar> I am very interested now
[00:15] <LeoBodnar> http://www.radiometrix.com/files/additional/NTX2B.pdf
[00:15] <LeoBodnar> In fact I am extremely interested
[00:15] <Darkside> oh looks like it does more than just program the chip then
[00:15] <Darkside> well ask Upu when he wakes up
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[00:16] <LeoBodnar> I needed exactly that - a zombie PIC to umplad my code into Si4460
[00:17] <LeoBodnar> Steve email: "The firmware allows for 235 channels with 3.125KHz** channel spacing"
[00:17] <LeoBodnar> THis does not sound like Si4460
[00:17] <Darkside> maybe not then
[00:18] <Darkside> but Upu has crackd one up
[00:18] <Darkside> argh
[00:18] <Darkside> cracked one open*
[00:18] <Darkside> and looked at the chip
[00:18] <Darkside> so he knows what it is
[00:19] <LeoBodnar> Damn, I want something that has Si4460 and a tiny PIC inside.
[00:20] <Laurenceb_> heh
[00:20] <chrisstubbs> I interpreted what steve said as he had set up those channels in his FW within the legal 70cms ISM slot
[00:20] <LeoBodnar> What's Si4032 channel spacing?
[00:20] <LeoBodnar> 400Hz-something
[00:21] <chrisstubbs> the rfm22b was a few hundred hz
[00:21] <chrisstubbs> yeah
[00:21] <LeoBodnar> So where this massive 3.125kHz is coming from then?
[00:22] <LeoBodnar> Maybe he had to increase step to fit 256 channels across ISM band?
[00:23] <LeoBodnar> Hah! [00:17] <LeoBodnar> Steve email: "The firmware allows for 235 channels with 3.125KHz** channel spacing"
[00:23] <LeoBodnar> You know it's bad when you find the answer in your own post
[00:23] <LeoBodnar> So that's probably why
[00:24] <LeoBodnar> Let's see
[00:25] <LeoBodnar> 26MHz VCO makes Si4460 minimum step 12.397766Hz which is 3125 / 252
[00:27] <LeoBodnar> Or rather 252.062
[00:29] <LeoBodnar> It seems that you can't get 3125 Hz channel spacing with 26MHz reference clock on Si4460
[00:30] <chrisstubbs> Im not really awake anymore, but note there is a ** there
[00:30] <chrisstubbs> "**this allows the existing 25KHz and 12.5KHz channel frequencies to be achieved. "
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[00:37] <chrisstubbs> I'm off, good luck!
[00:37] <chrisstubbs> \quit
[00:37] <chrisstubbs> FAIL
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[08:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> morrn
[08:24] <gurgalof> godmorgon
[08:25] <mclane> Guten Morgen
[08:26] <x-f> labr+t
[08:27] <sa6bss> morn
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[08:47] <DL1SGP1> Good morning!
[08:48] <fsphil> good local time of day
[08:49] <DL1SGP1> hehe fsphil
[08:51] <Reb-SM3ULC> g-1 in an hour?
[08:55] <DL1SGP1> in an hour-ish to hour&half-ish
[08:57] <Oddstr13> hm...
[08:58] <DL1SGP1> agreed
[08:58] <Oddstr13> Bus 004 Device 021: ID 0bda:2838 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL2838 DVB-T
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[08:59] <DL1SGP1> tinkering with a stick Oddstr13?
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[09:00] <Oddstr13> DL1SGP1: more like attempting to get *anything* off of the stick
[09:01] <Oddstr13> also, pretty sure that isn't the chip advertized
[09:01] <Oddstr13> however, updating my system, so Fx didn't want to cooperate atm, so i can't double check :P
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[09:03] <DL1SGP1> well should be an E4000 and supported by RTL-SDR tools, so once you try Zadig it should list it as compatible... or if you are on Linux the RTL-Tools should recognize it
[09:04] <DL1SGP1> VID: 0x0bda PID: 0x2838 Tuner: E4000 --> ezcap USB 2.0 DVB-T/DAB/FM dongle listed as supported on the osmocom sdr-wiki
[09:05] <Oddstr13> "DVB-T RTL-SDR+DAB+FM USB Digital TV Tuner Receiver For Laptop PC RTL2832U R820T"
[09:05] <Oddstr13> that's what it was listed as on ebay :P
[09:05] <Oddstr13> tried it on windows with SDR#
[09:06] <Oddstr13> didn't really find anything, except solid sine tones
[09:06] <Oddstr13> sometimes two tones right next to eachother
[09:06] <Oddstr13> didn't find any commercial FM stations at all
[09:06] <Oddstr13> not even the slightest hint
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[09:07] <Oddstr13> so, updating my laptop now, in order to install gqrx
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[09:08] <DL1SGP1> ok tuner does not have to be the E4000 could indeed be the R820T you will get that info when you are hooking it up to Linux and use the rtl-sdr swiss-army-knife-of-sdr tools :)
[09:09] <DL1SGP1> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[09:10] <Oddstr13> i'll have to wait untill i'm done updating my system & rebooted :P
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[09:10] <DL1SGP1> have you messed with the gain settings when trying it under Windows? I remember that a few locals here had issues with their gain having been set way too low to hear anything
[09:10] <DL1SGP1> yeah just providing the links now cause I will be afk in a tiny bit :)
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[09:11] <Oddstr13> i did find something looking like signals of some sort
[09:11] <Oddstr13> on 0.390.950.000
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[09:12] <Oddstr13> kinda reminded me about that engine-sounding millitary thingy
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[09:13] <Oddstr13> and then there where some spots with solid sine tones, and somewhere a solid sine next to something that sounded like whispering/wind
[09:13] <Oddstr13> i'ma boot my windows computer :P
[09:15] <Oddstr13> oh, update done *reboot*
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[09:16] <Reb-SM3ULC> Oddstr13: tried rtl_test?
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[09:22] <gurgalof> maybe if I have time today, I will build a directional antenna, maybe a yagi or a moxon
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[09:35] <Oddstr13> Reb-SM3ULC: I am now, just installed it
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[09:40] <jcoxon> ooo potentially 2 launches
[09:40] <jcoxon> how exciting
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[09:44] <jededu> Oddstr13 I have one of those works perfectly on win 7
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[09:52] <jededu> jcoxon where can i see the list of launches
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[09:53] <jcoxon> jededu, oh there isn't one really
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[09:53] <jcoxon> usually they are listed on spacenear.us
[09:53] <daveake> future or past? not that we have one of either really
[09:53] <jcoxon> i know that G-01 is being launched and the map also suggests (though not confirms) that fsphil might launch
[09:54] <daveake> fsphil @ noon I believe
[09:54] <jededu> ok thought so but there in nothing there past and future
[09:55] <daveake> For "future" the mailing list is the best
[09:55] <daveake> it's better in the summer when there are planned latex flights, rather than now where it's really just pico flights
[09:55] <jcoxon> yeah, nicer weather comes lots more launches
[09:56] <jcoxon> that said hte weather today does look good
[09:56] <daveake> yeah, if I wasn't busy tnight and tomorro I'd probably launch something
[09:57] <Oddstr13> jededu: and where did you get yours from? :P
[09:58] <jededu> It does its dead calm here for a change
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[09:59] <jededu> I got it from cosycave
[09:59] <Darkside> evening andy_vk3yt
[10:00] <jededu> its identical to the one on ebay
[10:00] <andy_vk3yt> Hi Darkside
[10:00] <andy_vk3yt> Got a PICO from Melbourne to central NSW
[10:01] <Oddstr13> rtl_fm -f 88.3e6 -s 200000 -r 48000 - | aplay -r 48k -f S16_LE
[10:01] <Oddstr13> woo
[10:01] <andy_vk3yt> Currently 6000m near Albury
[10:01] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: oh cool
[10:01] Action: Oddstr13 goes to find a wire for a random wire antenna
[10:01] <jededu> Working ?
[10:01] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: not on spacnear.us though
[10:01] <andy_vk3yt> APRS only, can you import APRS data to spacenear Darkside?
[10:01] <Darkside> oh yeah
[10:01] <Darkside> whats the callsign
[10:01] <andy_vk3yt> VK3YT-11
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[10:01] <Darkside> actualy probably better if one of the other guys dos that
[10:02] <Darkside> fsphil: Upu
[10:02] <Oddstr13> jededu: mostly noise, but i can hear that there is a fm station there :P
[10:03] <Oddstr13> aka, the antenna sucks
[10:03] <jededu> :)
[10:06] <tweetBot> @P_Knol: #UKHAS At 12:ish today, LOKI Frequency: 434.250 MHz, THOR16, Fly's over England, Germany, Denmark depending on the winds and on to Poland.
[10:06] <Oddstr13> still not *good*
[10:06] <Oddstr13> but waaaay better
[10:07] <Darkside> ok
[10:07] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: its being updatd
[10:07] <Darkside> oh wait
[10:07] <Darkside> someone else is doing it too
[10:07] <jcoxon> who is testing PS?
[10:07] <andy_vk3yt> Thanks, looks like my script is working :)
[10:08] <jcoxon> eek
[10:08] <Darkside> jcoxon: its not a test
[10:08] <Darkside> ill stop my script then andy_vk3yt
[10:08] <jcoxon> Japan?
[10:08] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: somthign is wrong with your script then
[10:08] <Darkside> latitude is inverted
[10:08] <Darkside> and not the same as what i'm pulling from APRS
[10:08] <jededu> Its only any use at short range
[10:08] <andy_vk3yt> ok, will stop mine for now
[10:09] <Darkside> lol ok
[10:09] <Darkside> ill putmine back on then..
[10:09] <Darkside> and ill clar your data from the tracker
[10:09] <andy_vk3yt> ok thanks
[10:09] <andy_vk3yt> for got the "-" in the RE :)
[10:09] <andy_vk3yt> thanks Darkside
[10:10] <mclane> ping upu
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[10:13] <jcoxon> nice floater andy_vk3yt
[10:14] <andy_vk3yt> jcoxon: thanks hope it will be going for a while
[10:14] <jcoxon> :-)
[10:14] <jcoxon> you should announced it earlier :-)
[10:16] <jcoxon> Darkside, andy_vk3yt, i think we should set you guys a challenge to get a balloon over to NZ
[10:17] <andy_vk3yt> sorry it was a last minute thing. I did some check on the predictor and it looks like it was going to go interstates!
[10:17] <jcoxon> :-D
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[10:18] <DL1SGP1> andy_vk3yt launched in Leo-Style :)
[10:19] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: jcoxon yes
[10:19] <Darkside> lol
[10:19] <Darkside> jcoxon: problem is the lack of listners
[10:19] <Darkside> it'd have to be a HF floater
[10:19] <Darkside> which is dangerous
[10:19] <Darkside> also power hungry
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[10:19] <jcoxon> it wouldn't be a challenge...
[10:19] <Darkside> mm
[10:19] <jcoxon> but yes
[10:20] <jcoxon> trailing HF antennas are always a concern
[10:20] <Darkside> also andy_vk3yt has a 500km hadstart
[10:20] <Darkside> headstart*
[10:20] <Darkside> :P
[10:20] <jcoxon> well
[10:21] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: whats the transmitter?
[10:23] <andy_vk3yt> Darkside, stripped down HX1 :)
[10:23] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: haha nice
[10:23] <andy_vk3yt> tuned down to 100mW
[10:23] <jcoxon> my sister currently lives in melbourne :-)
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[10:33] <Upu> hi mclane
[10:33] <DL1SGP1> morning Upu
[10:33] <Upu> hi DL1SGP1
[10:34] <mclane> pm, upu
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[10:37] <DL7AD> morning
[10:37] <db_g6gzh> morning all
[10:38] <fsphil> morn!
[10:38] Action: db_g6gzh warms up the tracking station
[10:38] Action: DL7AD thinks its too far away to receive it :/
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[10:39] <bertrik> G-01 projected path is looking nice, straight at us :)
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[10:41] <db_g6gzh> Ithink these are the first non-Leo UK launches of the year and I missed those. Mustn't have spotted the announcements 8-)
[10:41] <Peerke22> yep
[10:41] <fsphil> I kinda left the annoucement to the last minute
[10:42] <db_g6gzh> Well I got one string from B-40 just as it went out of range.
[10:42] <tweetBot> @P_Knol: Btw, More at http://t.co/l7YvIqu8z8 #UKHAS At 12:ish today, LOKI Frequency: 434.250 MHz, THOR16, Fly's over England..//
[10:42] <LeoBodnar> morning aeronauts and aeronautesses
[10:43] <Upu> haha
[10:43] <DL1SGP1> Morning Leo "ThePolarFloat" Bodnar
[10:43] <db_g6gzh> Ha KNN receiving before launch again.
[10:43] <db_g6gzh> Oh yes, congratulations Leo
[10:44] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=0c5833bac9233a3e364865285dbb144d94599a13
[10:44] <fsphil> current prediction
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[10:48] <db_g6gzh> and its up
[10:49] <daveake> nice ascent rate
[10:49] <daveake> (as it speeds up :p )
[10:50] <db_g6gzh> nice drifty rfm22
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[10:50] <daveake> It's still 240m below Upu
[10:51] <fsphil> hope he's got the periodic reset
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[10:53] <DL7AD> is G-01 a floater?
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[10:53] <Upu> hopefully
[10:54] <Upu> looks like they have the lift correct
[10:54] <Upu> you can tell by the fact it sometimes goes down :)
[10:54] <DL7AD> damn.... have no receiver currently... :/
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looking a bit downward ?
[10:55] <Upu> they sometimes take a while to punch through
[10:55] <DL1SGP1> Moin Sven
[10:55] <DL7AD> moin Felix
[10:56] <db_g6gzh> a 300m float would be interesting
[10:56] <Upu> its climbing again
[10:57] <Upu> still lower than my house :)
[10:57] <Upu> yay G-01 officially 5 meters higher than me now :)
[10:58] <gurgalof> hah
[10:58] <Upu> foils with very low lift can do this
[10:58] <db_g6gzh> frequency was drifting around quite a bit there so probably some slight temperature inversion at 300m
[10:58] <Upu> mine did the other week :
[10:58] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/10-xoZe7U8.jpg
[10:59] <db_g6gzh> nica and steadt now
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[10:59] <db_g6gzh> with better typing
[10:59] <Upu> expect a few more downs
[11:00] <Upu> as long as its not < -1.5m/s down should be ok
[11:00] <db_g6gzh> frequency drifting again now
[11:00] <LeoBodnar> close shave
[11:00] <gurgalof> not pushing trough the clouds?
[11:00] <Upu> this is really good for a float as it indicates the lift is marginal
[11:01] <db_g6gzh> clear skies here gurgalof
[11:01] <LeoBodnar> not really as the turbulence can push it into the higher altitude than it would float at still air
[11:02] <LeoBodnar> did you still have these kinks at 4km Upu ?
[11:02] <Upu> no
[11:02] <Upu> was the first 1km
[11:02] <LeoBodnar> ah ok then
[11:02] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/pava-12012014-1.jpg
[11:02] <Upu> did about 4 I think
[11:02] <LeoBodnar> that's ok then
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[11:08] <DutchMillbt> Good morning across 'the pond' what is the frequency of G-01?
[11:08] <db_g6gzh> 434.075
[11:09] <DutchMillbt> oke thankz db_g6gzh
[11:09] <DutchMillbt> ... arch full of qsb here
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[11:21] <chrisstubbs> fsphil, it too me too long to get the LOKI/THOR thing :P
[11:22] <Darkside> oh god
[11:22] <Darkside> i only just got it
[11:22] <Darkside> thanks chrisstubbs
[11:24] <gurgalof> :D
[11:24] <fsphil> lol
[11:25] <jcoxon> good ascent rate on G-01
[11:25] <jcoxon> also how is a polish station rx'ing G-01
[11:25] <fsphil> SDR?
[11:25] <fsphil> websdr even
[11:26] <gurgalof> i hope the payload looks like a mjölner :P
[11:28] <fsphil> hopefully it'll make less of a crater when it lands
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[11:31] <CHNSA> Andy ... Todd here .... did you do a launch due to the wind conditions to see how far you could get ?
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[11:38] <Willdude123> Awesome - I just found out I'm going to KSC in summer
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[11:41] <CHNSA> MSG andy_vk3yt hey andy the balloon is still flying well. HOw far do you think it will go .. altitude is going up and down .. ? -todd-
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[11:42] <DutchMillbt> Good morning Maxell, the yagi on the roof?
[11:48] <chrisstubbs> Woah G-01 must have just cleared a massive obstruction for me
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its appeared at last on my w/f as well just
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> qsb hoever
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> *however
[11:50] <chrisstubbs> same here, it was just testing if I was awake
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[11:51] <Upu> mmmmm mmmm mmmm forgot how much I love the QRM on 075
[11:51] <ATCC> is 075 the dial freq? Andy
[11:51] <Upu> yep spot on
[11:51] <ATCC> mny tnx
[11:52] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: no, yagi about one meter above ground :P
[11:54] <andy_vk3yt> CHNSA: Todd, just sent you the prediction via email
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[11:57] <Willdude123> Upu: hams?
[11:58] <Upu> no use ISM stuff
[11:58] <CHNSA> thanks Andy .. yes I got it :) will wacth it for the rest of the night
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[11:59] <gonzo_> anyone know, can you solderto lithium energisers?
[11:59] <chrisstubbs> I rough them up a bit with some sand paper
[12:00] <chrisstubbs> the use lots of heat and do it quickly
[12:00] <Upu> yes you can gonzo
[12:00] <Upu> scratch the tops
[12:00] <gonzo_> ta
[12:00] <Upu> a little flux
[12:00] <gonzo_> save a few gm
[12:00] <Upu> flow the solder on then do the wires
[12:00] <Maxell> Upu: qrm is low today, wonder if my receiver is working http://i.imgur.com/Fx9t1Uf.png
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[12:01] <Upu> heh
[12:01] <Willdude123> Upu what do you think it is? Keys?
[12:01] <Upu> all sorts of stuff
[12:01] <Upu> weather stations, kids toys alarms etc etc
[12:01] <mikestir> it's usually currentcost transmitters for me
[12:01] <mikestir> although some of them are mine to be fair
[12:01] <Willdude123> It's really weird - I've started using Q codes in real life
[12:01] <mikestir> they go off every 6 seconds
[12:02] <Willdude123> Like when I thought this guy wasn't listening to me I said QSL
[12:02] <db_g6gzh> same here mikestir (5 of them!)
[12:02] <chrisstubbs> Mine went in the bin as soon as I started hab tracking ;)
[12:02] <mikestir> yeah mine were unplugged for a while :)
[12:03] <chrisstubbs> G-01 just took a big jump
[12:03] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: it's quiet here
[12:03] <Willdude123> I propose instead of using the term c***-blocking we say QRMming. Are you QRMming my signals?
[12:04] <mikestir> has anyone answered your ad yet Willdude123?
[12:04] <Willdude123> Yes, I meant to get that retracted
[12:05] Nick change: chrisstubbs -> chrisstubbsM6EDF
[12:05] <Willdude123> I emailed them
[12:05] <Willdude123> They never replied
[12:05] <Willdude123> So now I have s-loads of phone calls
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[12:06] <mikestir> my name's in radcom as well this month - doing a talk on the wggs1 flight for the local radio club. try to recruit some trackers
[12:06] <mikestir> they did spell it wrong though
[12:10] <fsphil> just waiting on the payload getting a lock, then I'll fill the balloon and release
[12:11] <Hoogvlieger> g-01
[12:11] <Maxell> Any reports on signal? Not seeny anyhting here yet...
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[12:11] <mikestir> fsphil: freq?
[12:11] <fsphil> 434.250
[12:11] <Maxell> nigelvh: 434.075
[12:11] <Maxell> :o
[12:12] <fsphil> (loki's on 434.250)
[12:13] <mikestir> fsphil: payload doc is set to domex? that's wrong I take it?
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[12:14] <fsphil> yes
[12:14] <G8APZ> fsphil are you launching one today too?
[12:14] <fsphil> it needs to be manually changed ot THOR16
[12:14] <fsphil> G8APZ: yep
[12:14] <mikestir> ok
[12:14] <daveake_M0RPI> drifty payload this
[12:14] <fsphil> I suspect this one will be pretty drifty too
[12:14] <Willdude123> mikestir, did you see my advert?
[12:14] <Willdude123> daveake_M0RPI, when d'ya get your M0?
[12:15] <G8APZ> daveake_M0RPI it drifts and then stays stable for a while... then off again!
[12:15] <mikestir> Willdude123: yes
[12:15] Nick change: fsphil -> fsphil_MI0VIM
[12:15] <fsphil_MI0VIM> finally I get to track a pico ... ;)
[12:15] <daveake_M0RPI> Couple of weeks ago
[12:16] Action: mikestir passed the intermediate on friday
[12:16] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oooh congrats
[12:16] <daveake_M0RPI> congrats :)
[12:16] Action: daveake_M0RPI got distinction
[12:16] <mikestir> ta. planing on going for the may advanced
[12:16] <daveake_M0RPI> cool
[12:16] <mikestir> planning*
[12:16] <G8APZ> G-01 flightpath due east 90 degrees
[12:16] <daveake_M0RPI> you'll walk it
[12:16] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea the advanced isn't too bad
[12:16] <fsphil_MI0VIM> if you've got a half decent memory
[12:17] <Maxell> signal report on G-01 please, here in .nl not RXing on two locations :(
[12:17] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: anything yet?
[12:17] <daveake_M0RPI> You get given quite a few of the answers on the rule sheets :)
[12:17] <daveake_M0RPI> and you get the equations too
[12:17] <G8APZ> Maxell 434.076 with centre at 1000Hz
[12:17] <daveake_M0RPI> Do take in a calculator
[12:18] <Maxell> G8APZ: yeah, ok, SDR here so wil be somewhat drifty
[12:18] <Maxell> nothing
[12:18] <mikestir> I wish I'd been bothered to do the RAE when I was at school
[12:18] <daveake_M0RPI> ditto
[12:18] <daveake_M0RPI> The morse thing put me off
[12:18] <Maxell> G8APZ: how strong is it?
[12:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> SQ4KDK had some long range tracking...
[12:18] <LeoBodnar> I took a calculator all smug and arrogant. Buttons 4 & 7 didn't work.
[12:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> last packet
[12:18] <Willdude123> daveake_M0RPI, I'm doing my intermediate course at the weekend
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[12:19] <G8APZ> Maxell +30s/n with a colinear
[12:19] <Maxell> PA3WEG: hai
[12:19] <daveake_M0RPI> cool
[12:19] <LeoBodnar> had to do it on paper
[12:19] <Maxell> G8APZ: ok, DutchMillbt also nothing RXd it seems
[12:19] <Willdude123> I'm thinking of a change from KIK
[12:19] <Maxell> PA3WEG: also tracking G-01 434.075 MHz?
[12:19] <daveake_M0RPI> LeoBodnar, whoops :)
[12:19] <Willdude123> Maybe KOK, KEK or just something different
[12:19] <LeoBodnar> surely not KOK?
[12:20] <Willdude123> Wonder if anyone has M0GOD
[12:20] <daveake_M0RPI> oh dear
[12:20] <daveake_M0RPI> M0RON seems to be free
[12:20] <Willdude123> Nice
[12:20] <daveake_M0RPI> I decided not to go for that :)
[12:20] <LeoBodnar> there was an xls sheet somewhere with all the ones not taken
[12:20] <Willdude123> I think some are taken that would be rude
[12:21] <Willdude123> But hey, if PB0NER can get a call
[12:21] <mikestir> is there a list of free callsigns somewhere?
[12:21] <LeoBodnar> when i was looking for mine somebody posted a link here
[12:21] <Maxell> ah pb0ahx also tracking, how did he do that? :(
[12:22] <mikestir> sorry didn't notice that LeoBodnar - be interested if you find that again
[12:22] <G8APZ> daveake_M0RPI when I took RAE in 1966 one of the Qs was "draw a circuit diagram of a superhet receiver, and explain how the mixer works"
[12:22] <Darkside> Maxell: websdr?
[12:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> what's a receiver?
[12:22] Action: fsphil_MI0VIM hands back his advanced callsign
[12:22] <Darkside> whats a radio?
[12:22] <Darkside> hurr durr how do i SSB
[12:22] <Darkside> (etc)
[12:22] <Darkside> (sorry)
[12:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> what do you mean, explain?
[12:23] <Maxell> Darkside: no, he has this massive setup for sat tracking :(
[12:24] <mikestir> Willdude123: in the safety bit of the intermediate the answer is always the one that results in the most personal injury :)
[12:24] <LeoBodnar> https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/list_of_available_amateur_radio
[12:24] <G8APZ> explain involves knowing about valves and cathodes, grids, screen grids and anodes...and biasing etc etc!
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[12:25] <db_g6gzh> Running jcoxon's latest dl-fldigi the AFC doesn't seem as good as it used to be
[12:25] <G8APZ> But hey, that was almost 50 years ago!!
[12:26] <LeoBodnar> and before that there were probably only questions on spark gap transmitters
[12:26] <Willdude123> Damn
[12:26] <G8APZ> G-01 at 4700m now
[12:26] <Willdude123> no **FAG's are available
[12:26] <Darkside> i managd to gt M0HFO
[12:26] <G8APZ> spark tx probably illegal from about 1920!
[12:27] <Darkside> High Flying Object
[12:27] <G8APZ> or earlier
[12:27] <db_g6gzh> The RAE was multiple choice when I did it. I left half way through the time having checked it 3 times.
[12:27] <Willdude123> Or I could piss off someone at the club by getting the 2E0 of their call
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[12:27] <mikestir> might be worth requesting an update for the that list - it didn't take them that long to respond
[12:28] <db_g6gzh> and there was no choice of callsign back then
[12:28] <G8APZ> M0HAB would be a good one
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[12:28] <mikestir> maybe if they get an FOI request once a month they'll just put it online
[12:28] <LeoBodnar> I tried all hab related and failed to find any
[12:29] <G8APZ> M0LEO then!
[12:29] <LeoBodnar> interesting that they don't start with AAA
[12:29] <LeoBodnar> there are massive gaps
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[12:32] <LeoBodnar> NO it was taken
[12:33] <DutchMillbt> Maxell can't decode du to strong QSB signals
[12:33] <LeoBodnar> I have 2E0TOY instead
[12:33] <Maxell> god damnit sone of an........ rtl-sdr's freqency correction was off +48 not -48
[12:33] <Maxell> have been looking at no 075 the whole time
[12:34] <G8APZ> Maxell 076
[12:37] <G8APZ> spacenear doesn't seem to work here... I'm using http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?filter=G-01
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[12:38] <Maxell> G8APZ: yeah, but the complete waterfall was about 200 kHz off
[12:39] <Maxell> G8APZ: heh, I onkly know about http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=G-01
[12:39] <G8APZ> Maxell do you have signal now?
[12:41] <Maxell> G8APZ: yeah, partial decodes at remote RX, QTH not doing much
[12:42] <PA3WEG> nothing here at home QTH
[12:42] <PA3WEG> remote QTH is shut down
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[12:43] <Maxell> yay, greens :)
[12:43] <Maxell> PA3WEG: yeah quite weak at RevSpace. Not used to that...
[12:44] <G8APZ> G-01 now at 5km
[12:44] <G8APZ> altitude
[12:45] <Maxell> wow sick drift
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[12:47] <G8APZ> Oops ... sudden drop in signal
[12:48] <G8APZ> BRUS-01 just appeared near Bristol
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[12:49] <G8APZ> altitude 3k3 already
[12:51] <LeoBodnar> what's BRUS-01 freq?
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[12:51] <Maxell> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=BRUS01 :D
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[12:52] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar No idea!!
[12:52] <G8KNN> BRUS-01 is on 434.401
[12:53] <Maxell> Not on the mailing-list...
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[12:55] <G8APZ> Nothing hrd on 401 here
[12:55] <G8APZ> yet
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[12:56] <db_g6gzh> it's there
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[12:56] <db_g6gzh> no flight doc though
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[12:57] <mikestir> got it here
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[12:57] <ATCC> any idea how to read its data?
[12:57] <db_g6gzh> I've run out of mains outlets to use more receivers 8-)
[12:57] <mikestir_M6DYE> it's rtty 50 7n2, 480 ish shift
[12:58] <G8APZ> OK I hear it now
[12:59] <ATCC> set up and hit autoconfig
[12:59] <mikestir_M6DYE> stupid currentcost
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[13:00] <ATCC> try 434.402 +- dial readout
[13:00] <G8APZ> Green on BRUS01
[13:00] <daveake_M0RPI> nice strong signal here
[13:00] <daveake_M0RPI> even though yagi is pointing exactly the opposite direction :p
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[13:01] <Maxell> daveake_M0RPI: thats not hard! back/front ratio can be weak on your yagi
[13:02] <Maxell> however, receiving at 90 degreest of your aygi might
[13:02] <daveake_M0RPI> it's a tiny reflextor
[13:02] <mfa298> db_g6gzh: reading scrollback, the whole rtty decoder in the latest dl-fldigi seems to have got worse (broken by the upstream fldigi)
[13:02] <daveake_M0RPI> indeed
[13:02] <daveake_M0RPI> I know this now :p
[13:02] <LeoBodnar> you have a pronounced back lobe
[13:02] <ATCC> it seems confused!
[13:02] <daveake_M0RPI> I've been told that before :/
[13:02] <Maxell> The drift is strong on G-01 :P http://i.imgur.com/Gr4jq34.png
[13:03] <daveake_M0RPI> position error on BRUS
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[13:04] <G8APZ> BRUS01 seems to be backtracking!
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[13:04] <daveake_M0RPI> The old bugs are the best one
[13:04] <daveake_M0RPI> s
[13:04] <G8APZ> G-01 far stronger - strange both should be in view
[13:06] <mikestir_M6DYE> right - that's all the currentcosts unplugged :)
[13:06] Action: mfa298 must turn on the tracking pc more often - now waiting on windows updates (I can hear BRUS01 on a bit of wire out the closed window)
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[13:07] <daveake_M0RPI> mga298 My car PC decided that a chase was a really good time to grab 67 Windows updates
[13:07] <db_g6gzh> mfa298: yes, now that it's getting weaker it does seem worse performance too
[13:10] <mikestir_M6DYE> is BRUS wobbling about a lot or does my rx not like running off a wall wart?
[13:10] <Upu> whats BURS01 on ?
[13:10] <mikestir_M6DYE> 434.4005 dial
[13:11] <db_g6gzh> mikestir_M6DYE: seems quite a wavy signal from BRUS here
[13:11] <daveake_M0RPI> I can see it (but not decode) with an approx 164mm piece of solder stuck in the aerial socket
[13:12] <daveake_M0RPI> it is wavy now; was much better earlier
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[13:12] <mfa298> seems to be wavy and QSB
[13:12] <mfa298> although now the windows updates have completed I can get a decode
[13:13] <mfa298> 7n1 ~460 shift
[13:13] <ATCC> i am decoding at 50/480 on tow machines
[13:13] <daveake_M0RPI> Presumably this is a 100g with the aerial just below the balloon, 'cos that signal looks like it's rocking back and forth quickly
[13:14] <fsphil_MI0VIM> launch
[13:15] <mfa298> daveake_M0RPI: that would seem like a sensible guess (assuming there's no NOTAM for a larger balloon)
[13:16] <daveake_M0RPI> Actually, there is one
[13:17] <fsphil_MI0VIM> much faster ascent than I planned
[13:17] <fsphil_MI0VIM> this may not float
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[13:18] <DL1SGP> yay for LOKI
[13:18] <DL1SGP> :D
[13:18] <fsphil_MI0VIM> and now it's 1m/s
[13:18] <JFS1> Dial for BRUS01?
[13:19] <DL1SGP> it just wanna pick up the ish-delay fsphil_MI0VIM :)
[13:19] <fsphil_MI0VIM> hah
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[13:19] <mfa298> someone really had faith in the weather for that NOTAM: FROM: 16 Feb 2014 11:15 GMT TO: 16 Feb 2014 13:30 GMT
[13:20] <daveake_M0RPI> hah
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[13:21] <craag> People are welcome to use the websdr for BRUS01
[13:22] <craag> I can't - internet connection this end is rubbish.
[13:22] <bertrik> G-01 is drifting back and forth a lot, I think I can compensate a bit by setting the bandwidth much higher than default
[13:23] <db_g6gzh> bertrik: I set 200Hz and it's mostly tracking OK
[13:23] <db_g6gzh> using the 'release' dl-fldigi now
[13:24] <db_g6gzh> it's now stabilised anyway
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[13:25] <G8APZ> BRUS-01 surprisingly weak... can't hear it now
[13:26] <LeoBodnar> can you see what IP submitted the BRUS-01 documents? might be a uni address
[13:26] <G8APZ> back again...
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[13:27] <mfa298> LeoBodnar: I was wondering if it was a Uni team as well.
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[13:28] <G8APZ> LOKI airborne
[13:29] <craag> Unusual telemetry layout, huge resolution on all sensor readings - yep sounds like a uni team.
[13:29] <Maxell> Ok guys, don't worry about G-01. RevSpace will handle it http://i.imgur.com/RxWqtlg.png
[13:29] <LeoBodnar> and GPS bugs - defo
[13:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> still a nice signal
[13:29] <mfa298> and lack of communication
[13:30] <LeoBodnar> haha Maxell
[13:30] <craag> mfa298: That too
[13:30] <craag> :P
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[13:30] <craag> mornign jcoxon
[13:30] <LeoBodnar> can you make it sweep waterfall without touching top and bottom margins?
[13:30] <mfa298> gonzo__: what freq for bonzo8 ?
[13:30] <LeoBodnar> morn James
[13:30] <jcoxon> hey
[13:31] <jcoxon> all happening today
[13:31] <peerke22_> kan jij wat ontvangen frits ??
[13:31] <LeoBodnar> HAB season started it seems
[13:32] <PE2G> peerke22_: Bijna geen groene decoderingen :(
[13:32] <PE2G> Voor G-01
[13:32] <peerke22_> tgotaal geen signaal in den helder
[13:33] <G8APZ> I'll lose G-01 soon, but it was good to track it despite the drift!!
[13:33] <G8APZ> I need faster AFC!
[13:33] <gonzo__> mfa298, will be .650
[13:34] <craag> gonzo__: Morning! Is this a float?
[13:34] <gonzo__> who is BRUS01 and what freq?
[13:34] <G8APZ> +18 s/n here at edge of coverage
[13:34] <craag> gonzo__: We reckon a uni team, 434.400
[13:34] <gonzo__> it will be float. If it goes
[13:34] <gonzo__> same as phil's
[13:34] <craag> gonzo__: 100g latex?
[13:35] Action: mfa298 will have to get a 2nd rx setup.
[13:35] Action: craag too
[13:35] <db_g6gzh> I managed to fire up a second but might need 3 at this rate
[13:35] <gonzo__> rr craag
[13:37] <ATCC> whats up craag?
[13:37] <bertrik> G8APZ: here at revspace I increased the bandwidth quite a bit, which seems to help
[13:37] <daveake_M0RPI> You'd think that this was the first decent launch opportunity in 3 months ...
[13:37] <G8APZ> bertrik It's like playing Space Invaders trying to track manually!!
[13:38] <craag> ATCC: err, trying to remember who you are?? (sorry)
[13:38] <PE2G> G8APZ: I have it at 234
[13:38] <db_g6gzh> G8APZ: using 270Hz b/w here - just managing to track AFC
[13:38] Nick change: craag -> craag_M0DNY
[13:38] <db_g6gzh> but also exercising the rig control from time to time
[13:39] <ATCC> ATCC = G4mys HI
[13:39] <G8APZ> I've changed b/w now to 350!!
[13:39] <jcoxon> interesting flight prediction for BRUS01
[13:39] <jcoxon> not particularly ideal
[13:39] <Darkside> stupid flight prediction for BRUS01
[13:39] <daveake_M0RPI> Anyone from BRUS01 here ???
[13:40] <Darkside> its the kind of thing that can give HAB a bad nam
[13:40] <craag_M0DNY> ATCC: Ah! Now I remember! Good afternoon Andy
[13:40] <Darkside> espcially if it bursts at a bad time
[13:40] <ATCC> good afternoon mate! so whats the panic then?
[13:40] <craag_M0DNY> ATCC: I think you'll have noticed we have a quite local launch courtesy of g0nzo
[13:40] <LeoBodnar> It will be on Eastenders then
[13:40] <mfa298> yet more indications of BRUS01 being a Uni team then.
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[13:41] <ATCC> has it launced? if so whats the frequency please
[13:41] <craag_M0DNY> BRUS-01 heading straight for london....
[13:41] <Maxell> bertrik: we can also see BRUS... $$BRUS01,13:40:45,8.78,-12.06,13.81,4175,21373.2,51.447713,-1.291108,101.79*6C37
[13:41] <craag_M0DNY> ATCC: Not yet
[13:41] <daveake_M0RPI> It needs another of those GPS bugs
[13:41] <craag_M0DNY> ATCC: Currently on the map in bournemouth
[13:41] <ATCC> ok please advise when known
[13:42] <craag_M0DNY> And going to head up past us from prediction
[13:42] <gonzo__> odd that they are going east, the predict I did shows me going north
[13:42] <jcoxon> gonzo__, yours doesn't have enough data
[13:42] <craag_M0DNY> launch and we'll find out :)
[13:42] <jcoxon> e.g. your ascent rate is -0.1
[13:42] <jcoxon> :-)
[13:42] <craag_M0DNY> ah
[13:42] <gonzo__> don't want to buzz hurn airport (again!)
[13:42] <LeoBodnar> G-01 worked first time, *and* floated, *and* reached continent. Congratulations! [envious now]
[13:43] <G8APZ> BRUS01 showing up near Pangbourne on http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?filter=SD3
[13:43] <gonzo__> ah, that's a poss
[13:44] <db_g6gzh> G-01 signal still hanging on at -0.1 elevation
[13:44] <G8APZ> G-01 still +17s/n here at edge of the circle
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[13:45] <G8APZ> actually I'm outside the blue circle!
[13:46] <Reb-SM3ULC> serious balloonday!
[13:46] <G8APZ> G-01 approaching Dutch cost at Leiden... very good effort!!
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[13:47] <gonzo___> jcoxon, more realistic predict, now shows me clipping london
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[13:48] <andre_nl> I'm living in Leiden :-) Looking outside ;-)
[13:49] <gonzo___> I'll probably hold off till later then
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[13:49] <bertrik> we have it at 13.5 km distance, 23.5 degrees elevation at revspace :D
[13:49] <PA3WEG> A lot more dutchies have appeared I see
[13:49] <G8APZ> I think G-01 will cross the coast near Schevinghen
[13:50] <bertrik> maybe you can actually see it now
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[13:51] <andre_nl> My camera standbye for visual
[13:51] <Reb-SM3ULC> bus01, 261 m/s, speedy
[13:51] <G8APZ> Maxell should have a big signal!
[13:51] <PA3WEG> andre_nl: you own a nice zoom lens?
[13:51] <andre_nl> 300 or 500 ... hope I see this dot :-)
[13:52] <PA3WEG> for some reason I am not decoding much...maybe storm damage to the antenna
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[13:52] <PA1SDB> Ga
[13:52] <bertrik> flight BER8677 at 19k feet was quite close to G-01 I think
[13:53] <G8APZ> Crossing the coast now.. heading for Wassenaar
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[13:53] <PA1SDB> Frequency and mode BRUS01 pse ?
[13:54] <craag_M0DNY> PA1SDB: 434.403 RTTY 7n1
[13:54] <craag_M0DNY> 470 shift
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[13:54] <G8APZ> G-01 still +20s/n and I'm well outside the blue ring!
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[13:54] <bertrik> oh no, GPS bug?
[13:54] <Upu_M0UPU> dodgy code
[13:55] <G8APZ> I think my updates have been lagging!
[13:55] <Upu_M0UPU> go G-01 in a float
[13:56] <G8APZ> Now says G-01 near Utrect...something not right!
[13:56] <andre_nl> Wow what a speed ?!
[13:56] <PA3WEG> no vidual here...as far as I can tell
[13:56] <PA3WEG> visual
[13:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good afternoon guys :-)
[13:56] <PA3WEG> clouds are moving fast here by the way
[13:57] <PA1SDB> Tnx craag_M0DNY
[13:57] <DL1SGP> Hey Steve!
[13:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Felix ;-)
[13:57] <fsphil_MI0VIM> you wait ages for a single launch, and four happen at once
[13:57] <db_g6gzh> given I still have a fair signal from G-01 I wonder if it's not actually quite as far as it claims?
[13:57] <andre_nl> Is it really near Utrecht ??
[13:57] <G8APZ> Puzzles me... I usually lose the sigs just outside the 0 degree circle but not this time on G-01
[13:57] <DutchMillbt> switching to BRUS01 no qsb ;-)
[13:57] <Upu_M0UPU> I didn't either G8APZ I can still see it on the water fall
[13:57] <G8APZ> I suspect GPS data on G-01
[13:57] <db_g6gzh> any dutch stations got a beam to DF it?
[13:58] <Maxell> G8APZ: yeah it's booming at RevSpace... Not much at QTH, yagi indoors is just not cutting it :/
[13:58] <Maxell> might go outside real quick
[13:59] <Maxell> jijdaat should also have great sigs
[13:59] <LeoBodnar> intriguing http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/0aac16503f3fd0677ebe4c24de8eb870#g/_speed
[13:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Leo :D
[13:59] <LeoBodnar> it did two speedy jumps forward
[14:00] <craag_M0DNY> LeoBodnar: Rockets?!
[14:00] <LeoBodnar> I can't imagine longitude errors accumulate
[14:00] <LeoBodnar> unless there is some state machine in the code
[14:00] <LeoBodnar> Hey Steve! Long time!
[14:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, needed a break.
[14:01] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah, someone else in NI receiving it
[14:01] <G8APZ> Something is not right... I should not be hearing G-01 this far outside the circle
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[14:01] <craag_M0DNY> and another jump
[14:01] <LeoBodnar> Just been thinking few days ago "where's Steve and his picos?"
[14:01] <craag_M0DNY> Steve_G0TDJ: Good to see you back!
[14:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> BRUS01 very flaky sigs here - Cheers Phil
[14:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> LeoBodnar: I still have a pico ready to go. Glad I didn't pick today though!
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[14:02] <bertrik> the longitude of G-01 jumped to 5.000902, so almost exactly 5
[14:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Who's launch is BRUS01?
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[14:02] <LeoBodnar> You need a launch vehicle for today
[14:02] <daveake_M0RPI> Brunel
[14:02] <PA3WEG> it is these moments I hate not putting back the tracking PC at work.......
[14:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Dave
[14:02] <DL1SGP> the permit to land in my garden still has not been revoked Steve :) if you plan to go further that is fine too
[14:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Felix
[14:03] <craag_M0DNY> wolfb, melon: if you are using the websdr, please edit your location :)
[14:03] <x-f> PA3WEG, there were some ideas flying around a few weeks ago about how to track flights over remote areas, so - could you, in theory, build a HABsat? :)
[14:04] <LeoBodnar> define "you" lol
[14:04] <craag_M0DNY> melon: around 51.283, -1.120 will do
[14:04] <LeoBodnar> It would be most sensible thing to do
[14:04] <melon> craag_M0DNY: ok, i'll fix it
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[14:04] <LeoBodnar> -sensible
[14:04] <PA3WEG> x-f: yes, that would totally work
[14:05] <craag_M0DNY> melon: thanks, just means people don't get the wrong idea about range :)
[14:05] <x-f> LeoBodnar, Wouter is quite experienced in this area
[14:05] <craag_M0DNY> x-f: The main issue I guess would be how to rx the rtty
[14:05] <craag_M0DNY> or domex
[14:05] <mikestir_M6DYE> fsphil_MI0VIM: dial for LOKI? I see a very slight thor16 sized hump in the noise
[14:06] <LeoBodnar> you'd just use high speed 2FSK perhaps
[14:06] <craag_M0DNY> Yeah
[14:06] <LeoBodnar> MSK
[14:06] <craag_M0DNY> like ukhasnet
[14:06] <tweetBot> @fsphil: The Loki pico HAB has been launched from Cookstown. Currently at 4.3km altitude heading for Ballymena. 434.250MHz, THOR16 #ukhas
[14:06] <PA3WEG> TXing drifty RTTY would be the main challenge, and off course timing the passes with the flight
[14:06] <DL1SGP> unless there is a network of HABsats :)
[14:06] <PA3WEG> read RX for TX
[14:06] <fsphil_MI0VIM> mikestir_M6DYE: 434.249 mhz dial
[14:07] <LeoBodnar> just stick it into GEO
[14:07] <LeoBodnar> like big boys
[14:07] <mikestir_M6DYE> hump is at about 1500 hz for 434.248
[14:07] <mikestir_M6DYE> so could be
[14:07] <PA3WEG> I am working on SDR based receivers, so it could totally happen
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[14:07] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that's quite near it
[14:07] <db_g6gzh> GEO no good for your North Pole attempt LeoBodnar
[14:07] <mikestir_M6DYE> i'm still outside the blue circle and only on the omni, so that would be good going
[14:08] <PA3WEG> LeoBodnar: Geo would be nice, but the link budget is going to be ¨interesting¨
[14:08] <craag_M0DNY> burst on BRUS?
[14:08] <craag_M0DNY> yes
[14:08] <PA3WEG> I could put a linear transponder in GEO, so you can decode on the ground
[14:09] <LeoBodnar> we need captive balloon repeater at both poles and GEO sat and we are fine
[14:09] <craag_M0DNY> PA3WEG: QRM would be huge though?
[14:09] <PA3WEG> yup...
[14:09] <mfa298> that's going to make an interesting landing then for BRUS
[14:09] <PA3WEG> ISM stuff all over the place
[14:09] <gurgalof> geosats is far away, you need a directional antenna or a bit power to reach them
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[14:10] <mikestir_M6DYE> I suppose launching from bristol they've got a pretty good chance of a wet landing at the minute
[14:10] <Darkside> it just burst
[14:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Getting solid signal from BRUS01 here no which is the best its been since I started tracking about 30mins ago.
[14:10] <Darkside> so maybe not..
[14:10] <PA3WEG> gurgalof: thats what I mean with ¨interesting¨
[14:11] <daveake_M0RPI> I've switched off my tracker for BRUS
[14:11] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah with you there
[14:11] <Darkside> dont want your call associatd with that?
[14:12] <daveake_M0RPI> Don't want the map to show it landing where it's going to land
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[14:12] <G8APZ> Poor decodes now on G-01 not surprised!
[14:12] <LeoBodnar> something curious about G-10 13:00:05 Position: 2.663325 E, and 13:00:17 Position: 3.333512 E
[14:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> Surely it's better to know where it will land daveake_M0RPI
[14:13] <LeoBodnar> I think a bug in latitude conversion, probably scaling error?
[14:13] <daveake_M0RPI> I'm tracking offline
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[14:14] <mfa298> this is one of the times I'm glad my reception in that direction is v poor.
[14:14] <daveake_M0RPI> :)
[14:14] <SP3OSJ> Does anyone else have information about G-O1? (frequency, emission)
[14:14] <G8APZ> For a first pico, G-01 doing very well! I suspect the bug in the longitude too
[14:14] <LeoBodnar> I reckon it is just approaching coast
[14:14] <DL1SGP> SP3OSJ: G-01 434.075MHz RTTY 50 7N2
[14:15] <number10> G-01 is doing well especially with the weight - anyone know what the final payload weight was?
[14:15] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm saying nothing about bugs until mine has crossed the meridian
[14:15] <SP3OSJ> Thanks
[14:15] <G8APZ> G-01 altitude 5.5km approx
[14:17] <db_g6gzh> I just got a decode on G-01 at a claimed -0.7 elevation so I don't think it's a s far away as it claims
[14:17] <G8APZ> I'm still hearing G-01 and according to the 0 degree ring nobody in UK should have sigs!!
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[14:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Andy :D
[14:17] <DL1SGP> I concur db_g6gzh
[14:17] <number10> I always thought someone would get amateur NOTAMs banned - looks like BURS01 maybe the ones to do it for us
[14:18] Action: daveake_M0RPI gets his sent in sharpish
[14:18] <ShaneCurran> should I get an amateur radio license or should I just be dodgy and pirate the frequencies
[14:18] <Darkside> ShaneCurran: wat
[14:18] <ShaneCurran> +?
[14:18] <adwiens_KC0WYS> lol seriously?
[14:18] <daveake_M0RPI> NSIS
[14:18] <adwiens_KC0WYS> it takes almost no effort to get a license
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[14:19] <PA3WEG> finally decoded G-01
[14:19] <PA3WEG> right side of the building
[14:19] <G8APZ> ShaneCurran get the bug and get a licence!
[14:19] <PA3WEG> I am in a really bad spot towards the UK
[14:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> ShaneCurran: For audio communications with others or for HAB use?
[14:19] <Maxell> PA3WEG: not using your x-50?
[14:19] <mfa298> ShaneCurran: maybe try asking a better question then should you break the law.
[14:19] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> If BRUS gets stuck up a tree we will have some nice sightseeing to do after the conf this year
[14:19] <fsphil_MI0VIM> if it's for HAB use the ISM devices can be used without a license
[14:19] <DutchMillbt> PA3WEG Wouter QSB at your QTH too?
[14:20] <PA3WEG> Maxell: yes, but lots of ISM shit around here
[14:20] <ShaneCurran> Steve_G0TDJ: HAB use
[14:20] <G8APZ> PA3WEG G-01 is over Holland somewhere but cannot be sure it's sending the right longitude!
[14:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> fsphil_MI0VIM: That's where I was going
[14:20] <PA3WEG> weather stations and wireless doorbells etc
[14:20] <daveake_M0RPI> This really is like first day back at school
[14:20] <mfa298> ShaneCurran: where in the world are you located ?
[14:20] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[14:20] <ShaneCurran> mfa298: Ireland
[14:20] <PA3WEG> G8APZ: I have read that, but decoding now using omni
[14:20] <daveake_M0RPI> stupid flight gps bugs daft questions
[14:20] <DL1SGP> I just hope that BRUS makes landing in a park or something and not a busy road, there is alot of risk involved in landing in highly populated areas
[14:20] <PA3WEG> so I can not tell the direction
[14:20] <DutchMillbt> Remote control here i think
[14:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> ShaneCurran: If you use a tracker design like 'we' do, it's in a licence exempt part of the spectrum. However, a licence is useful
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[14:20] <PA3WEG> G8APZ: not using the regular yagi station
[14:20] <mikestir_M6DYE> has anyone from BRUS popped up yet?
[14:21] <Darkside> nop
[14:21] <Darkside> nope
[14:21] <Darkside> i hope they do
[14:21] <Darkside> i'm sure thres a lot of people wanting to talk to them
[14:21] <G8APZ> PA3WEG OK
[14:21] <DL1SGP> heh Darkside :)
[14:21] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ShaneCurran: if you're in ROI you can use amateur radio on HAB flights, but the IAA will likely refuse you permission to launch
[14:21] <fsphil_MI0VIM> NI you can't use amateur radio, but ISM devices work fine
[14:21] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Steve_G0TDJ could hold it ransom
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[14:22] <LeoBodnar> Steve_G0TDJ: you will probably see BRUS01
[14:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> you still need permission from the CAA to launch though
[14:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> but that's usually fine
[14:22] <Babs> The aeroplanes into Heathrow will be picking up BRUS shortly - the predictor has it going right over my place in Fulham which js itself directly on the flight path
[14:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> True
[14:22] <PA3WEG> B-01 could be under the cloud layer being heated by the sun. it sort of matches the sky with patchy clouds
[14:22] <mfa298> This is one of the times when the Flight Radae overlay would either be very useful for very worrying.
[14:23] <Andrew_M6GTG> Afternoon all, what did I miss?
[14:23] <mattbrejza> do we reckon pico or brick payload?
[14:23] <ShaneCurran> fsphil_MI0VIM: you based in ROI/NI?
[14:23] Action: Darkside brings up planfinder
[14:23] <Darkside> mattbrejza: brick
[14:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ShaneCurran: yea, Cookstown in NI
[14:23] <Darkside> look at the voltage
[14:23] <mattbrejza> oh lol
[14:23] <mfa298> brick (it seems to be a Uni team afterall)
[14:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> there's a balloon in the air over NI at the moment if you have a radio to receive it
[14:23] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Haha who is "SEEK ADVIDE"
[14:23] <adwiens_KC0WYS> to be fair, it could be a 9v right?
[14:23] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> *ADVICE
[14:23] <mattbrejza> which was the first rx'er to pick it up?
[14:24] <G8APZ> mfa298 yes a flight 24 overlay would be good... a bit worrying when it's at the height it is in airlanes
[14:24] <Babs> fsphil - nice LED matrix btw
[14:24] <mikestir_M6DYE> wonder if they even have a notam
[14:24] <Upu_M0UPU> apparently yes
[14:24] <mattbrejza> so driving after it thru central london will be interesting
[14:24] <craag_M0DNY> mikestir_M6DYE: They do
[14:24] <Upu_M0UPU> but apparently it may say not if near London
[14:24] <mattbrejza> either itll land ontop of a building or get nicked
[14:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Babs: it is very cool, and seriously bright
[14:24] <Upu_M0UPU> I don't have confirmation of that btw
[14:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm going to use it for my ISH countdown clock
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[14:25] <fsphil_MI0VIM> where it just generates random times
[14:25] <Upu_M0UPU> just reading between the lines from their facebook
[14:25] <craag_M0DNY> Upu_M0UPU: Link?
[14:25] <Babs> at Fulham they are about 1000m overhead, by the time it passes over the flight path going south it will be above the flightpath
[14:25] <Upu_M0UPU> https://www.facebook.com/brunelece?hc_location=timeline
[14:25] <G8APZ> Babs look up!!
[14:25] <Babs> fsphil - i thought of this http://blog.cleveland.com/nationworld_impact/2009/08/large_countdown-clock-shuttle-082509.jpg
[14:25] <Darkside> i made some choice comments about the launch
[14:26] <Upu_M0UPU> note Feb 12th post
[14:26] <mfa298> mikestir_M6DYE: theres a NOTAM with around a 2hour launch window.
[14:26] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yes!
[14:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's a shame it couldn't have flown a little further. I may have been able to recover
[14:26] <Babs> G8APZ - I rented the place out to a guy and his daughter in July. I live there for 10 years, move out and then 6 months later this happens.
[14:26] <fsphil_MI0VIM> infact you can wire a number of these panels together
[14:26] <craag_M0DNY> Darkside: Great comments
[14:26] <fsphil_MI0VIM> to make a really big display
[14:26] <Babs> did you make the panel from scratch or build it up?
[14:26] <mfa298> Launch location (from the NORAM) was Tor Martin just off the A46/M4 junction (J17 or 18 I think)
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[14:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Predicted landing is a few K rom my old QTH
[14:27] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Babs: off the shelf. I think they're originally from adafruit, and coolcomponents resell them
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[14:28] <Babs> cool - thanks
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[14:29] <mattbrejza> no payload pics on theur fb
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[14:29] <craag_M0DNY> Very little info at all infact
[14:30] <mattbrejza> post from 5th dec
[14:30] <PA3WEG> right..back to some documentation work for FUNcube-3
[14:30] Action: mfa298 suspects Darkside's comment will get many more likes than the announcment post on their FB page.
[14:30] <PA3WEG> cheers all
[14:30] <iain_g4sgx> Ooh, lots going on, whats withe the SEEK HAB ADVICE, BRUNEL IDIOTS on the map?
[14:30] <Darkside> iain_g4sgx: look at th elanding site
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[14:31] <Darkside> PeterM: ohi Peter!
[14:31] <Darkside> PeterM: VK5QI here
[14:31] <Babs> If you search for BRUS01 on google images, this is the first thing that pops up
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[14:31] <Babs> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Sm%C3%ADchov,_N%C3%A1dra%C5%BEn%C3%AD,_kolejov%C3%BD_brus_(01).jpg
[14:31] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[14:31] <Babs> doesn't look like that dynamic a chase car
[14:31] <craag_M0DNY> lol Babs
[14:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the prime minister is probably going into hiding right now
[14:31] <mattbrejza> its gonna land on the ukhas13 location at this rate
[14:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> number 10 under attack
[14:31] <daveake_M0RPI> so he should
[14:31] <mfa298> Babs: lol (looks like it could be a uni payload)
[14:31] <PeterM> Giddy. mark, the balloon changed colour
[14:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Might end up in the drink if we're lucky
[14:32] <Maxell> bertrik: G-01 receiving here at home with terratec dongle, but no decodes yet
[14:32] <Babs> bl00dy students
[14:32] <Darkside> PeterM: does that when you reload
[14:32] <iain_g4sgx> Aaah.. wowzers..
[14:32] Action: DL1SGP likes the discrete messages through snus :)
[14:32] <PeterM> Yes It's Me Mark on an iPad
[14:32] <mfa298> Upu_M0UPU: maybe you should change the text on your Americur Pico picture to "Standard Uni Payload"
[14:33] <Darkside> DL1SGP: i posted a not so discreet message on their facebook page
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[14:33] <DL1SGP> good work Darkside
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[14:33] <G8APZ> LOL @ BrunelIdiots!
[14:33] <PeterM> I saw that, that's why I came here
[14:33] <daveake_M0RPI> :)
[14:34] <Upu_M0UPU> LERN2HAB
[14:34] <Upu_M0UPU> haha
[14:34] <Darkside> bahahahah
[14:34] <fsphil_MI0VIM> they seem to be coming back with some balloon
[14:34] <Babs> The Clifton Suspension Bridge, the SS Great Britain, and now this
[14:34] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the descent rate is all over the place
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[14:34] <Babs> its an ignominious end for a once great name
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[14:34] <daveake_M0RPI> The altitude went up in steps on the way up; perhaps the same on the way down?
[14:34] <daveake_M0RPI> ^ at lower altitudes
[14:34] <Babs> can you pop a link to their facebook page?
[14:34] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah
[14:35] <Darkside> oh dear
[14:35] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea that's likely
[14:35] <Darkside> there goes the position
[14:35] <fsphil_MI0VIM> padding bug
[14:35] <Upu_M0UPU> oh its ok its not in London any more
[14:35] <Upu_M0UPU> everyone calm down
[14:35] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[14:35] <daveake_M0RPI> god knows where it'll appear when it actually hits the meridian
[14:35] <Darkside> hahahhaah
[14:35] <daveake_M0RPI> lol
[14:35] <PA1SDB> G01 at dail 434.054 Mhz / tone 1500 Hz here. Is my RX callibration that far off ?
[14:35] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oh man
[14:35] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's heading for greenwich!
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[14:35] <Upu_M0UPU> yup
[14:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> The GPS Lat has changed by a whole digit
[14:35] <daveake_M0RPI> no no not at all :)
[14:35] <fsphil_MI0VIM> hab payloads don't work there!!!
[14:35] <Darkside> so basically everyting that you can do wrong has been done with this launch
[14:35] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> looks like a padding fail
[14:36] <daveake_M0RPI> Well it has a working chute
[14:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> $$BRUS01,14:33:56,8.74,-3.44,10.73,68097,3308.1,51.456917,-0.100116,35.41*FC46
[14:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> $$BRUS01,14:34:13,8.73,-2.94,10.63,69104,3076.6,51.457503,-0.97398,35.41*B370
[14:36] <daveake_M0RPI> but aside from that
[14:36] <daveake_M0RPI> yes it's a padding fail
[14:36] <Darkside> paging adamgreig or DanielRichman !
[14:36] <Darkside> need quick fix!
[14:36] <G8APZ> So we do not know where the f*** it is now!!
[14:36] <fsphil_MI0VIM> need more than that
[14:37] <mikestir_M6DYE> better hope they included some padding on the payload :)
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[14:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> we can work it out from the raw strings
[14:37] <Upu_M0UPU> ah jcoxon
[14:37] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> $$BRUS01,14:35:55,8.72,-0.13,10.13,75578,2391.1,51.461401,-0.83171,29.52*B465
[14:37] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> $$BRUS01,14:36:12,8.72,0.25,10.06,76653,2391.1,51.462182,-0.80986,28.37*8258
[14:37] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> $$BRUS01,14:36:45,8.72,0.63,9.98,77737,2059.1,51.463834,-0.76281,28.37*18A4
[14:37] <Upu_M0UPU> go catch BRUS01 please
[14:37] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> there you go
[14:37] <Upu_M0UPU> and throw it in the bin
[14:37] <gurgalof> kill it with fire!
[14:37] <jcoxon> where is teh actual pos?
[14:37] <mattbrejza> i wonder who will get to this one first
[14:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> not far from you
[14:37] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> 51.463834,-0.076281 probably
[14:37] <G8APZ> probably crossed the meridian and hit a bug!
[14:38] <Upu_M0UPU> 51.463834,-0.076281
[14:38] <Darkside> jeez, so many planes coming in around it
[14:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> jcoxon: Probably will end up in Greenwich
[14:38] <Darkside> >_>
[14:38] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I don't think it's going to correct itself before it lands
[14:38] <mfa298> there's a bit of info on their page from 5th Dec: "We have built a balloon that will be able to carry a custom-made mobile phone, a camera, a PIC controller and some weather sensors and we are planning on releasing it to the edge of the Earth's atmosphere to take pictures of the curvature of the Earth and collect meteorological data. According to plan, the balloon will burst at around 110000 feet and a parachute will help it land safely somewhere in
[14:38] <SIbot> In real units: 110000 ft = 34 km
[14:38] <jcoxon> oh gosh it really isn't far from me
[14:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> jcoxon: Just up the road really
[14:39] <jcoxon> i'm in hte library though so can't go a hunting
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[14:39] <Upu_M0UPU> its going to land on Greenwich
[14:39] <Darkside> jcoxon: yes you can
[14:39] <Darkside> jcoxon: this takes priority lol
[14:39] <ATCC> out of range from Eastleigh
[14:39] <PA1SDB> The drift of G-01 it to much for my AFC. It can't correct it that quick :-(
[14:40] <Babs> "custom made mobile phone" seems a bit excessive.
[14:40] <jcoxon> lets just hope it descends really slowly
[14:40] <G8APZ> PA1SDB set your bandwidth to 350!!
[14:40] <Maxell> PA1SDB: set in rtty setting filter bandwith to 200 or so
[14:40] <Babs> http://www.sellmymobile.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/dom_joly_phone.jpg ?
[14:40] <jcoxon> and so gets a bit further away
[14:40] <jcoxon> nice an close to city airport as well
[14:40] <daveake_M0RPI> yes we noticed :(
[14:40] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah they've read the list of things not to do on a HAB flight
[14:40] <daveake_M0RPI> lost it here
[14:40] <mfa298> nice that an engineering dept are using accepted metric units as well .... Oh wait, they're not!
[14:41] <Upu_M0UPU> checked every one off as completed
[14:41] <jcoxon> must have a chunky parachute to have a descent of 1.5m/s
[14:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> Quite a ways from LCY thankfully, althogh it's not open today anyway
[14:41] <Upu_M0UPU> probably didn't calculate that correctly either
[14:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> Loosing signal here now
[14:41] <daveake_M0RPI> LERN2HAB lol
[14:41] <Darkside> JFS1 shoudl have it for a bit
[14:41] <Darkside> mayb
[14:41] <mikestir_M6DYE> with a bit of luck it will land in "folly pond"
[14:41] <daveake_M0RPI> or the Thames
[14:41] <DutchMillbt> PA1SDB try to change the fldigi setting AFC to fast and the recive bandwidth to 112
[14:41] <daveake_M0RPI> or a crusher
[14:42] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Lost it here
[14:42] <Upu_M0UPU> not going to make it to the river
[14:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Gone here
[14:42] <JFS1> Depends where it is - if it's in East London my view will be blocked by an apartment block soon.
[14:42] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> last partial :51.$74625,-0.53476
[14:42] <Darkside> its going to land on the train station
[14:42] <LeoBodnar> the ghost of it is landing on Heathrow, take your pick
[14:42] <DL1SGP> yeah next we will hear when we check the news tonight
[14:42] <JFS1> BRUS01 gone for me.
[14:42] <Darkside> damn
[14:42] <Darkside> thats it
[14:42] <Darkside> JFS1: can you go for a drive? :P
[14:43] <G8APZ> Gone here too
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[14:43] <G8APZ> 51.474625, -0.53476
[14:43] <JFS1> Where to???
[14:43] <iain_g4sgx> Heathrow or the thames..? lol
[14:43] <G8APZ> 51.474625, 0.53476
[14:43] <Upu_M0UPU> 51.474625,-0.053476
[14:43] <Darkside> JFS1: to the landing area
[14:43] <Darkside> see if you can get a final landing position
[14:43] <Upu_M0UPU> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=8f372870f17ed65a6281b7c6372bcdaceb386931
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> So https://maps.google.com/maps?q=%4051.474625,-0.053476&hl=en&sll=51.472937,-0.053387&sspn=0.030848,0.075359&t=h&z=16 ?
[14:44] <daveake_M0RPI> That takes some doing ... land on 1 dodgy place but pretend to land on another
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> 2 pomoroy street
[14:44] <jcoxon> not a good place to land
[14:44] <Upu_M0UPU> either on a street or a house
[14:44] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it was moving east
[14:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Very close to my old QTH
[14:44] <fsphil_MI0VIM> probably nearer Besson St.
[14:44] <Upu_M0UPU> Well there you go thats how not to do a HAB launch
[14:45] <JFS1> Normally I'd be happy to go for a drive but not sure if it's east or west London since GPS al over the place
[14:45] <Upu_M0UPU> unless anyone has any problems with it I'm going to kill that from Spacenear.us ?
[14:45] <iain_g4sgx> Yep, a 747 smashing into it would really interest the press. ouch..
[14:45] <Darkside> JFS1: its east longon
[14:45] <Darkside> london
[14:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> You have my vote UPU
[14:45] <DL1SGP> yeah, we should keep record of it for educational purpose with headline "This is how idiots launch a HAB"
[14:45] <Darkside> JFS1: http://goo.gl/maps/a8MLi
[14:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> SE London New Cross
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[14:45] <SpeedEvil> It's got a pretty decent chance of hitting a flat roof
[14:45] <Darkside> JFS1: its a common bug
[14:45] <Upu_M0UPU> gonre
[14:45] <Darkside> so we hav a very good idea of where it is
[14:46] <DL1SGP> please kill it Upu, it is a disgrace to have something on the map while there are such lovely flights as G-01 and Loki and so on
[14:46] <DL1SGP> thanks Upu :)
[14:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hope they get the message
[14:46] <fsphil_MI0VIM> loki just passed 8km
[14:47] <Darkside> other people than me could post comments on their facebook page :-)
[14:47] <mikestir_M6DYE> still no sign of it here fsphil_MI0VIM - that noise hasn't changed in level so it's not it
[14:47] <DL1SGP> if they google for their own balloon they will find the logs of this conversation as well :)
[14:47] <iain_g4sgx> whats the FB page called?
[14:47] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah, and Rob_m0dts is receiving it
[14:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'd love to track Loki but it would need to be a lot higher. Maybe in an hour or so...
[14:47] <Maxell> G8APZ: looks alright, eh? Not even partial decodes... http://i.imgur.com/nW2DZV3.png
[14:47] <mfa298> Should there be a new records table: How not to do it (probably mostly filled with Uni teams)
[14:47] <JFS1> Cheers Darkside - might go see if I can spot if - but if I see emergency vehicles as I approach, I'm out of there.
[14:48] <DL1SGP> Steve, maybe if you attach yourself to a balloon with a hab and tablet ... that will get you higher and you can decode :)
[14:48] <Darkside> JFS1: bring a radio abd a laptop
[14:48] <craag_M0DNY> mfa298: I think the less ukhas association with this particular incident, the better :/
[14:48] <Darkside> see if you can get a landing position
[14:48] <Darkside> just be aware it will hav drifted back up
[14:48] <mikestir_M6DYE> fsphil_MI0VIM: must have a local obstruction. there is high ground in that direction
[14:48] <Darkside> so i'd go to http://goo.gl/maps/a8MLi and have a scan
[14:48] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea it'll still be very low on the horizon for you
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[14:49] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that said you're quite near the coast
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[14:49] <Rob_m0dts> fsphil_MI0VIM yes excellent signal, came up all of a suddon
[14:49] <Maxell> Tracker' reaction to BRUS01' flight today: http://i.imgur.com/NDlh33O.gif
[14:50] <mikestir_M6DYE> highest point between me and the coast is about 30m above me though
[14:50] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Rob_m0dts: I apologise in advance for what you may or may not hear
[14:50] <mikestir_M6DYE> and only a couple of miles away
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[14:50] <Darkside> Maxell: haha
[14:50] <G8APZ> Maxell looks OK but I had 470 shift... no idea why no decode
[14:50] <Upu_M0UPU> whats the dial Rob_m0dts ?
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[14:51] <Maxell> G8APZ: yehhh too bad
[14:51] <mikestir_M6DYE> got it now fsphil_MI0VIM
[14:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 434.249 + 800hz here
[14:51] <mikestir_M6DYE> and that noise was it
[14:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah excellent mikestir_M6DYE
[14:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> some propagation going on then
[14:51] <Upu_M0UPU> he's on the coast near Liverpool
[14:51] <Upu_M0UPU> damn hills :)
[14:52] <Rob_m0dts> Upu_M0UPU 434.249.00
[14:52] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it hasn't drifted more than a few 10's of Hz since I launched it
[14:52] <Upu_M0UPU> thanks nothing here
[14:52] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah that crystal is quite stable
[14:52] <Upu_M0UPU> rated to -30'C
[14:53] <jcoxon> so are the germans ready to take over from the dutch for tracking G-01
[14:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> DL1SGP: About time I had a tea ;-) brb
[14:53] <jcoxon> ?
[14:53] <DL1SGP> enjoy Steve :)
[14:53] <Upu_M0UPU> shows the difference a good quality TXCO makes over a normal crystal
[14:53] <fsphil_MI0VIM> seriously
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[14:54] <G8APZ> Given the longitude from BRUS could it be that the - sign should be removed and it actually went east of Greenwich? It jumped back on my map before I lost sigs when it was at 800m
[14:55] <PA1SDB> Maxell that helps
[14:55] <PA1SDB> G*APS That helps :-)
[14:55] <fsphil_MI0VIM> and now over the Irish Sea
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[14:56] <mikestir_M6DYE> fsphil_MI0VIM: SNR is -12dB - impressive
[14:56] <mikestir_M6DYE> green decodes
[14:56] <PA1SDB> DutchMillbt That helps, Tnx !
[14:56] <mikestir_M6DYE> Rob_m0dts has a significant advantage with a 25 ele beam
[14:57] <Maxell> yes filter bandwidh is the first thing you tweak on drift
[14:57] <Maxell> can someone help me figue out whats wrong? http://i.imgur.com/rO5sXlh.png
[14:57] <Maxell> -no- deocdes null, noppes, zero.
[14:57] <craag_M0DNY> Rv?
[14:57] Nick change: craag_M0DNY -> craag
[14:58] <Maxell> craag: nope
[14:58] Nick change: daveake_M0RPI -> daveake
[14:58] <pe2bz> I have decodes with 7n and 1 stopbit. I use SDR console
[14:58] <Maxell> craag: only produces garble
[14:59] <Darkside> pe2bz: pipe the audio ouut of SDR console into dl-fldigi
[14:59] <Maxell> pe2bz: dl-fldigi ignores stop bit
[14:59] <fsphil_MI0VIM> * for decoding
[14:59] <Darkside> pe2bz: he's using sdr console to demodulate, not dl-fldigi
[15:00] <Maxell> I'm running 3.21.50, could this be the one with not-working rtty?
[15:00] <craag> Maxell: Unless you built from source, it should be fine.
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[15:00] <db_g6gzh> 3.21.50 was fine here
[15:01] <Maxell> craag: oki
[15:01] <Babs> whats the facebook page link darkside?
[15:01] <Darkside> https://www.facebook.com/brunelece?hc_location=timeline
[15:01] <db_g6gzh> with pretty much the same settings you have
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[15:02] <craag> Maxell: Close it and open it again? (haven't a clue)
[15:02] <fsphil_MI0VIM> THOR handles QRM bursts really well
[15:02] <Darkside> fsphil_MI0VIM: thats kind of the point of forward error correction you know
[15:02] <fsphil_MI0VIM> maths wins!
[15:02] <Darkside> that and interleaving :P
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[15:03] <Maxell> craag: yeah, about to reboot, windows style :P
[15:04] <Maxell> however, great to see this cheap dongle receive so well with 11 ele yagi
[15:05] <DL1SGP> does anyone ahve the current freq for G-01 please?
[15:06] <PE2G> G-01: 434.075.0
[15:07] <PE2G> DL1SGP: G-01 is drifty
[15:07] <DL1SGP> yeah, that is why I was asking, I knew about where it should be at, just double checking
[15:08] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Loki just passed 10km
[15:08] <Upu_M0UPU> I really hope this floats
[15:08] <DL1SGP> and if it is further east than it reports... then I do not need to worry about it yet :)
[15:09] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I put an AA in there, just in case ;)
[15:09] <Andrew_M6GTG> They have a twitter account https://twitter.com/BrunelECE
[15:09] <Darkside> man, i ned to gt around to doing another launch
[15:09] <Upu_M0UPU> thats 3 days worth fsphil_MI0VIM :)
[15:10] <LeoBodnar> more like 6
[15:11] <fsphil_MI0VIM> other than turning of the radio I'm not doing any power saving
[15:11] <fsphil_MI0VIM> off*
[15:11] <LeoBodnar> ah
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[15:11] <Maxell> 4~now decoding with android pp :P
[15:11] <LeoBodnar> in 3 days it will be a long way away
[15:11] <PE2G> DL1SGP: On 434.075.0, the cursor freq ranges between ~1200 and ~2350 Hz
[15:11] <LeoBodnar> hopefully
[15:12] <DL1SGP> bedankt jou wel PE2G
[15:12] <PE2G> DL1SGP: :)
[15:13] <G8APZ> Pity that some of the students cannot spell ambidextrous!
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[15:14] <fsphil_MI0VIM> nearly over scotland already
[15:14] <daveake> That's a word that needs both hands to type
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[15:16] <LeoBodnar> is this not oxymoronic?
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[15:18] <G8APZ> I love oxymorons! Police Intelligence is my favourite one
[15:19] <LeoBodnar> I honestly think G-01 is near The Hague
[15:19] <G8APZ> closely followed by Help Desk
[15:19] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Tech Support
[15:19] <G8APZ> It isn't a desk and it doesn't help!
[15:19] <LeoBodnar> Personal Computer?
[15:19] <bertrik> LeoBodnar: yeah, it's a bit weird
[15:20] <G8APZ> tracker code needs to be peer reviewed!
[15:20] <DL1SGP> Germans are calling the on site help-desk of German Railways "Service Point" ... there is no point in trying to seek service there :)
[15:20] <Monroe> I'm in late what's the callsign's flying?
[15:20] <LeoBodnar> * hopes B-40 didn't have a similar bug
[15:21] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[15:21] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that darn latitude amplification bug
[15:22] <G8APZ> G-01 and BRUS01 both seemed to have GPS errors... unless the yanks are buggering about with GPS!!
[15:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> G-01 and LOKI currently in the air
[15:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> what happened BONZO8?
[15:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Loki's now over scotland
[15:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ack aye
[15:23] <bertrik> we still get 25+ dB S/N for G-01 at Revspace, the Hague, Netherlands
[15:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> fsphil_MI0VIM: Is Loki continuous TX or periodical?
[15:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> periodical
[15:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it beeps for about a 40 seconds
[15:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> then transmits for about the same time
[15:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Cheers. Still a little low for me but I'll monitor
[15:23] <mfa298> fsphil_MI0VIM: delayed until the prediction didn't go over london I think.
[15:23] <G8APZ> fsphil_MI0VIM LOKI is going pretty slowly given the high winds we have had recently! I hope it will come into RX range soon!
[15:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's very slow!
[15:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> makes a change
[15:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> mfa298: makes sense
[15:24] <daveake> very sensible
[15:26] <mfa298> failing that call it BRUS02 and make sure you've not left any identifying info on it.
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[15:27] <daveake> haha
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[15:28] <Rob_m0dts> loving the tunes of loki tx :-)
[15:28] <mikestir_M6DYE> does it always play the red dwarf theme tune at the beginning?
[15:28] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[15:28] <fsphil_MI0VIM> not always
[15:29] <mikestir_M6DYE> my mrs thinks the pips sound like breakout
[15:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oh yes
[15:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> so it does
[15:29] <mikestir_M6DYE> haha so I'm not the only one that leaves error messages in the transmitted output
[15:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's useful! more people should do it
[15:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm 95% that error is harmless
[15:30] <daveake> One of my Pi flights dumped a load of kernel messages after the SD card fell out
[15:32] <LeoBodnar> including browser history?
[15:33] <daveake> haha
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[15:33] <jcoxon> so do we think G-01 isn't actually where it says it is?
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[15:34] <DL1SGP> I would say so jcoxon
[15:35] <jcoxon> strange
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[15:36] <jcoxon> but this is only since crossing into hte mainland?
[15:36] <bertrik> it did a jump eastwards at some time, but hasn't jumped back and forth since
[15:36] <bertrik> can we review the source code?
[15:37] <G8APZ> jcoxon I was receiving it as it approached the Dutch coast and then it suddenly jumped to well inland! Also I was receiving it well beyond the o degrees circle on the map. That alone tells me it is sending wrong position
[15:37] <LeoBodnar> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/0aac16503f3fd0677ebe4c24de8eb870#g/_speed
[15:37] <db_g6gzh> 4 jumps
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[15:38] <bertrik> hmm, and at regular time intervals it seems
[15:38] <LeoBodnar> just regular spaghetti tunnelling
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[15:38] <Maxell> x-f: nice debugging tool also it seems
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[15:41] <LeoBodnar> I reckon these jumps happen at crossing whole degrees East. So it now should be about 5.0 E
[15:42] <LeoBodnar> *whole degrees as reported by GPS
[15:43] <LeoBodnar> somewhere above Utrecht
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[15:43] <DL1SGP> PE2G just was so kind to check some bearings for me, he is reporting strongest signal when his directional is at bearing 230deg
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[15:49] <DL1SGP> Hej Brian
[15:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi
[15:49] <db_g6gzh> 230 would agree with Leo (Utrecht)
[15:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil_MI0VIM Hi phil, is Loki your launch?
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[15:50] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: "< LeoBodnar> somewhere above Utrecht", that would correlate why I/we Revspace still receiving... East never very strong, except for now.
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[15:51] <bertrik> maybe a conversion error in minutes/seconds vs. decimal fraction?
[15:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DL1SGP are you hearing G-01?
[15:51] <DL1SGP> OZ1SKY_Brian: no, it is not where it reports to be at, still out of my range
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[15:52] <LeoBodnar> OZ1SKY_Brian: yes it fsphil's
[15:52] <junderwood> Anyone suggest the best place to look for Loki?
[15:52] <DL1SGP> OZ1SKY_Brian: it still is over central Netherlands
[15:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LeoBodnar ok thanks
[15:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DL1SGP ah ok a GPS fault?
[15:52] <la3eq> whats wrongwith the tracker map? The Australien map over writes the europien maps all the time!!!
[15:52] <DL1SGP> OZ1SKY_Brian: unknown
[15:52] <junderwood> (frequency that is :) )
[15:53] <LeoBodnar> la3eq: http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=LOKI;G-01
[15:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq no problem here, only when i reload the page
[15:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh nice, i didnt know you could do a ; in the filter
[15:53] <la3eq> I am at work, so then i must be the work pc!
[15:54] <DL1SGP> junderwood: 434.250 MHz, +/- ish
[15:54] <junderwood> No drift then?
[15:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> working on a sunday in Norway, i didnt know that was allowed :-)
[15:54] <junderwood> Nothing here at the moment :(
[15:54] <mikestir_M6DYE> junderwood: 434.249
[15:54] <DL1SGP> the crystal was reported to be pretty stable
[15:54] <junderwood> mikestir_M6DYE, thanks.
[15:55] <junderwood> Still nothing, though
[15:55] <junderwood> Never believe the blue circle
[15:55] <mikestir_M6DYE> just pips at the minute
[15:55] <mikestir_M6DYE> data just started
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[15:55] <la3eq> nice filter...now it works here too...tnks
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[15:57] <db_g6gzh> did it just send "we are not alone" ?
[15:57] <la3eq> OZ1SKY I work in 12-13 hours shift all weekend friday to monday evning!
[15:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> RR Jan
[15:58] <G8APZ> LOKI 0 degree ring getting close!!
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[16:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> is loki ment to float?
[16:02] <Upu_M0UPU> yes
[16:03] <Upu_M0UPU> but no one has floated a 100g before
[16:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i see, you must have a good signal there anthony
[16:03] <Upu_M0UPU> well I do now
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[16:03] <Upu_M0UPU> but there is a big hill behind me in fsphil_MI0VIM's direction
[16:03] <Upu_M0UPU> so his balloons always need to get to 15km before I can RX them
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[16:04] <db_g6gzh> those pips remind me of Sellafield (formerly Windscale)
[16:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah ok i see, i had the same problem at the old place, also a big hill to the west/north west of me
[16:05] <Rob_m0dts> hills have big advantage and disadvantages, i need at least 10kmheight above Cambridge flights before i hear anything because of the North York Moors
[16:05] <G8APZ> db_g6gzh maybe it has a geiger counter on board! It will certainly be LoS with Sellafield!
[16:06] <Upu_M0UPU> I can get cambridge down to about 1km
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[16:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Rob_m0dts but east must be good for your, when you can reach me on 70cm, on a good night :-)
[16:08] <Rob_m0dts> OZ1SKY_Brian actually there is 200m high hills in your direction but about 25km away so i have a run up :-) i'm totally clear to Jan up in LA
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[16:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Rob_m0dts i think it was a lucky night as well, never ever worked or heard MI on 70cm bfore. So tropo was fantastic.
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[16:10] <Rob_m0dts> OZ1SKY_Brian yes was good, shame this weather is so changable, should have had some good tropo ducting by now but nothing since october
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[16:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Waiting for a new chance, still missing alot of UK on 70cm, points for the national grid competition :-)
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[16:12] <Rob_m0dts> OZ1SKY_Brian i mainly look for squares on 23cm,70cm i have very few!
[16:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Rob_m0dts im not on 23cm, 70 is as high i can go
[16:13] <sa6bss> recover
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[16:14] <sa6bss> never mind
[16:14] <chrisstubbs-m> Any news on disaster-hab?
[16:14] <Rob_m0dts> OZ1SKY_Brian yes i remember, i mainly look for 23cm TV dx signals so i am geard up more for there, 70cm i only listen balloons and some EME now and again
[16:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> chrisstubbs-m: Hi Chris. It came down near Peckham/New Cross/Deptford/Greenwich
[16:15] <mikestir_M6DYE> nothing spotted on twitter?
[16:16] <mikestir_M6DYE> "a balloon just landed on my head #omglol"
[16:16] <chrisstubbs-m> Yeah I saw where we lost the signal, no recovery or word from the uni then by the sound of it
[16:16] <db_g6gzh> fsphil_MI0VIM is definitely playing games with the tones before the data 8-)
[16:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nope, nothing
[16:16] <chrisstubbs-m> That's a shame ;)
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[16:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> I think perhaps a letter from the HAB community to the college is appropriate
[16:17] <mfa298> looking out the window there's a queue of traffic waiting to get onto the M3, I wonder if that means London has gone into lockdown due to low flying UFO's
[16:18] <mfa298> Steve_G0TDJ: there's some PR contacts on their website but I couldn't see anything for their legal dept (I did half consider a note to them)
[16:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm sure it would get to the right person.
[16:20] <mfa298> I was thinking along the lines of "Your engineering department releasted a balloon today which appears to have landed in the middle of London having flown through some of the major air routes in the UK, I hope you've got suitable Insurance to cover the Major Incident this may have caused"
[16:20] <DL1SGP> it will be interesting to see if they react to the facebook comments
[16:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well yes but more constructively, they should still be encouraged to seek advice here and on UKHAS (after an apology!)
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[16:22] <DL1SGP> maybe they won't be able to right now cause they got arrested while trying to rescue the payload :D
[16:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> Where was it launched from?
[16:22] <mfa298> Just north of Bath by the looks of the NOTAM
[16:22] <mfa298> just off the M4/A46 junction.
[16:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's a bit of a hack to landing area
[16:23] <LazyLeopard> I take it that one didn't make it onto the tracker?
[16:23] <mfa298> it looks like they're based in London so presumably it was a drive somewhere easy to launch it.
[16:24] <DL1SGP> GL9 1JA was where they wanted to launch from in Bath area (according to their FB)
[16:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well I hope they take the advice given to them on FB before they launch again
[16:25] <mfa298> that matches up with the NOTAM
[16:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyway, I'm off for a bit. Catch you later guys.
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[16:25] <DL1SGP> have a nice afternoon steve
[16:25] <mfa298> LazyLeopard: it got removed fairly quickly when we saw where it was going.
[16:25] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> Cheers Felix
[16:25] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> ..
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[16:30] <LeoBodnar> cu later Steve
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[16:33] <craag> Fantastic signal from LOKI in basingstoke
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[16:33] <JFS1> $$BRUS01,16:11:12,8.90,11.50,29.81,100586,18.4,51.476928,-0.47846,0.37*C33D
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[16:34] <craag> JFS1: Here then? http://goo.gl/maps/74wU0
[16:34] <JFS1> Touchdown info for BRUS01 - looking up that location now - but doesn't seem to fit with where I am
[16:35] <craag> Have you accounted for the padding? ie -0.0478
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[16:36] <JFS1> Currently parked on Coll's Road
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[16:36] <DL1SGP> G-01 jsut made another hop
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[16:36] <craag> JFS1: That position is on Casella Rd
[16:37] <craag> Just the other side of the A2 (north east of you)
[16:37] <Maxell> DL1SGP: damnit wormholes
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[16:37] <Maxell> $$$$$G-01,1834,16:36:59,51.925575,10.026250,5420*F512
[16:37] <Maxell> $$$$$G-01,1835,16:37:12,51.925488,10.030297,5414*66BA
[16:37] <DL1SGP> yeah the wormholes result from antimatter-ninja-goat farts :)
[16:38] <Maxell> eh?
[16:38] <DL1SGP> a jump of .4
[16:38] <DL1SGP> .04 sorry
[16:39] <DL1SGP> nvm I need coffee!
[16:40] <DL1SGP> ok better now :)
[16:41] <LeoBodnar> what's the dial for LOKI? I am hearing nowt
[16:41] <JFS1> Cheers craag - heading for that position now.
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[16:41] <qyx_> huh, some problems with brus?
[16:41] <craag> LeoBodnar: 434.250.6 here
[16:41] <LeoBodnar> ta
[16:41] <DL1SGP> I think that G-01 is in Apeldoorn area now
[16:41] <craag> LeoBodnar: YOu should see a pair of alternating beeps
[16:42] <craag> LeoBodnar: Now data :)
[16:42] <G8APZ> Nothing from LOKI here either
[16:44] <Martin_G4FUI> LOKI at over 36deg elevation here, possibly fading due to going above the VR pattern of my colinear!
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[16:44] <G8APZ> It must be the Chilterns in the way as usual
[16:45] <DL1SGP> F5APQ sui tu es la, peux-tu nous dire la direction dans laquelle tu recois G-01, s'il te plait ?
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[16:46] <Willdude123> Je pense je suis la jambon
[16:46] <DL1SGP> hehe Willdude123
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[16:46] <fsphil_MI0VIM> back
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[16:47] <DL1SGP> welcome back fsphil_MI0VIM
[16:47] <fsphil_MI0VIM> and the signal is still exactly where I had it tuned
[16:47] <fsphil_MI0VIM> love it
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[16:47] <G8KNN> fab signal in Cambridge fsphil_MI0VIM
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[16:47] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's a little further north than I expected
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[16:48] <Martin_G4FUI> trying to overfly my QTH, fsphil_MI0VIM ?
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[16:49] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah just missed you
[16:50] <fsphil_MI0VIM> just as in about 50km
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[16:51] <Martin_G4FUI> I made it 33km - range now increasing and going into my "poor reception quadrant", North through East, due to the North Pennines
[16:51] <DL1SGP> Moin DJ3AK
[16:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> still rising. I wonder if it's going up too quickly for it to float
[16:51] <DJ3AK> Hallo Nachbar
[16:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> very weak signal here now
[16:52] <DJ3AK> G-01 RTTY nw audible here
[16:52] <PE2G> I have G-01 at ~170 deg, which would mean that it's close to the Dutch/German border
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[16:53] <DL1SGP> what is your bearing for G-01 DJ3AK?
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[16:54] <DJ3AK> Bearing is 240 degrees
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[16:55] <DJ3AK> 434.074.4 cursor 900 Hz
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[16:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Everything below my local horizon today, never mind HABRotate, PST Rotate and new rotator controls all working at lest!
[16:58] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 22km
[16:58] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I hope it stops soon!
[16:58] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's not even slowing yet
[16:58] <fsphil_MI0VIM> actually it might be
[16:58] <fsphil_MI0VIM> look at the altitude graph
[16:59] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that could be it near bursting thougt
[16:59] <bertrik> S/N for G-01 is finally getting bad here at revspace, the hague, netherlands
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[17:00] <mattbrejza> guessing heard nothing from learn2hab?
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[17:04] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:05] <Martin_G4FUI> LOKI looks like it might be levelling out, fsphil_MI0VIM
[17:05] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's a bit variable
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[17:05] <craag> mattbrejza: JFS is enroute
[17:05] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I just hope it's not near the burst point
[17:05] <craag> He'd picked up an updated position from nearby, so no.
[17:06] <craag> http://goo.gl/maps/hYwtE
[17:06] <mattbrejza> he needs chasecar app
[17:06] <mattbrejza> oh at least its still on and so not nicked
[17:06] <Lunar_Lander> who flies G-01?
[17:06] <craag> mattbrejza: Looks like it might be on a roof...
[17:06] <craag> From how far away he heard it...
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[17:07] <mattbrejza> the least bad option
[17:07] <mattbrejza> probably the best result too, as i cant think of a good one
[17:07] <craag> true
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[17:08] <mattbrejza> im not the only one who dislikes the new google maps?
[17:08] <G8APZ> I'm hearing weak warbling from LOKI occasionally when it send data but not showing up on the waterfall
[17:08] <DJ3AK> DL1SGP bearing is 300 degrees nw here, hmm
[17:08] <craag> mattbrejza: No you are not!
[17:09] <mattbrejza> that white roof is a low one at least
[17:09] <mattbrejza> not nearly as bad as some trees
[17:09] <craag> If the gps is accurate
[17:09] <mattbrejza> yea
[17:09] <G8APZ> craag has JFS got co-ords of landing spot?
[17:10] <mattbrejza> i wonder if they know where it is, i can see them relying on the pgon
[17:10] <mattbrejza> phone
[17:10] <craag> G8APZ: He picked up those co-ords about an hour ago
[17:10] <craag> I sent him to Casella Road to see if the signal got better
[17:10] <craag> (as the gps could be bugged in yet another way for all we know)
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[17:11] <mattbrejza> that position fits though
[17:11] <Oddstr13> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4306267/random/2014-02-16_180950_0000555.png any idea of what this might be?
[17:11] <fsphil_MI0VIM> float?
[17:11] <fsphil_MI0VIM> or burst?
[17:11] <fsphil_MI0VIM> -0.5m/s
[17:11] <fsphil_MI0VIM> not a burst
[17:11] <LeoBodnar> just ring the payload and listen for the ringtone
[17:11] <fsphil_MI0VIM> freenode may have burst
[17:11] <fsphil_MI0VIM> NSA again
[17:11] <G8APZ> craag OK - needs a few handheld yagis and a map to plot bearings on then
[17:11] <mfa298> whats the betting the chase team don't have a 70cm radio, it didn't look like they uploaded any strings
[17:12] <craag> G8APZ: Yeah, dunno what kit he's got with him.
[17:12] <fsphil_MI0VIM> rising again
[17:13] <LeoBodnar> surely payload has a big honking phone inside with an annoying ringtone
[17:14] <craag> Well I guess they're almost guaranteed gsm signal at the landing site....
[17:14] <PA3WEG1> What are we looking for with LOKI?
[17:14] <PA3WEG1> I only see a drifting carrier
[17:14] <PA3WEG1> no THOR
[17:14] <Martin_G4FUI> LOKI Impressively stable transmission - see my waterfall for the last hour or so :- http://imgur.com/SIMBxrQ
[17:14] <craag> PA3WEG1: Alternating beeps about 300hz apart, with THOR every minute or so
[17:14] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's either THOR, or an alternating beep (between the lowest and highest THOR tone)
[17:15] <fsphil_MI0VIM> and occasionally a badly composed tune
[17:15] <PA3WEG1> craag: Thanks!
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[17:15] <PA3WEG1> probably still too weak here
[17:15] <PA3WEG1> and making dinner
[17:15] <fsphil_MI0VIM> there's a pretty fine line between it bursting and floating
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[17:16] <DJ3AK> PE2G strange, bearing for G-01 is 300 degrees here
[17:18] <LeoBodnar> trolloon
[17:18] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 24km
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[17:19] <LeoBodnar> still in full sunlight
[17:19] <Willdude123> Anyone here have reasonable coverage of GB3FN or GB3ET?
[17:19] <Upu_M0UPU> just having to do a full 360 on the antenna which I've never done before :)
[17:20] <LeoBodnar> haha
[17:20] <craag> Willdude123: You could use the websdr to listen in?
[17:20] <G8APZ> GB3ET phone home.
[17:20] <fsphil_MI0VIM> haha
[17:20] <Willdude123> craag, I meant tx
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[17:20] <Willdude123> Mine is fine
[17:20] <db_g6gzh> fsphil_MI0VIM: thanks for confirming the tunes, I was beginning to think I was hearing things
[17:20] <fsphil_MI0VIM> sunset probably isn't for a while
[17:20] <craag> Willdude123: Ah no. And please don't fire up ET
[17:20] <Willdude123> Just wondering if anyone could
[17:20] <fsphil_MI0VIM> maybe I should have launched later
[17:20] <Willdude123> craag, oh why?
[17:21] <mfa298> Not sure if I can get into ET from here. But this isn't the time to do it as lots of people are using the sdr to track balloons
[17:21] <craag> Willdude123: It'll knock out my receiving of loki on the websdr!
[17:21] <LeoBodnar> I think timing is about right
[17:21] <mfa298> lots may only equal 4 or 5
[17:21] <Maxell> we win \o/ 1070 decodes
[17:21] <LeoBodnar> wow
[17:22] <Maxell> :P G0WXI
[17:22] <craag> Hmm just saw a tune fsphil? Unfortunately audio is piped so didn't catch it..
[17:22] <Willdude123> craag, what frequency?
[17:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yep craag
[17:22] <craag> Willdude123: 434.250
[17:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the next one might show up better on the waterfall
[17:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> if I remember the order of them right
[17:22] <Maxell> bertrik: should we switch to LOKI? :)
[17:22] <craag> cool :)
[17:23] <Maxell> bertrik: G-01 needs attention not that much people tracking
[17:23] <Willdude123> craag, not rxing anything over there
[17:24] <craag> Willdude123: THere's alternating beeps, then THOR every minute or so
[17:24] <craag> Will sound a bit musical
[17:24] <Willdude123> Does anyone use rtty anymore?
[17:24] <craag> Willdude123: THOR now
[17:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> doodle-doodle-doodle-deedle-doodle-doodle
[17:24] <mattbrejza> rtty is still the prefered 'up and down' mode
[17:24] <Willdude123> craag, not seeing it
[17:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> rtty is faster
[17:25] <fsphil_MI0VIM> and a lot simpler to generate
[17:25] <craag> Willdude123: Are you listening to it?
[17:25] <fsphil_MI0VIM> thor is good for flights where weak signals are the norm
[17:25] <Willdude123> craag, yeah
[17:25] <Willdude123> Not heard a thing
[17:25] <Willdude123> Tuned to same frequency
[17:25] <Maxell> bertrik: not seeying anything here
[17:25] <fsphil_MI0VIM> and it would be excellent for HF bands
[17:25] <Willdude123> Maybe bandwidth is maxing out
[17:26] <fsphil_MI0VIM> floating again
[17:26] <craag> Willdude123: USB mode?
[17:26] <pb1dft> germans need to wakeup so they can pickup G-01
[17:26] <pb1dft> there ;)\
[17:26] <jcoxon> if only there was a way to fix the map for G-01
[17:26] <fsphil_MI0VIM> is the error known?
[17:26] <mikestir_M6DYE> getting very weak here even inside the green circle
[17:26] <mikestir_M6DYE> must be a pennines issue
[17:26] <Willdude123> craag, yuh
[17:26] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I had to read that twice
[17:27] <Babs> Stabilotron II gets its main capsule fitted pre-polystyrene outer shell http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/12568489334/
[17:27] <craag> Willdude123: Can you hear other stuff?
[17:27] <Willdude123> Yeha
[17:27] <craag> Hmm not sure then
[17:28] <Maxell> LOKI has an channel marker, two tones ~300 hz separated?
[17:28] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yes
[17:28] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oooh, channel marker
[17:28] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I like that term
[17:28] <Maxell> nopt seeying it yet @ revspace -> back to g-01
[17:28] <PA3WEG1> ocasionally checking for LOKI here while having dinner, still no signals
[17:28] <Maxell> fsphil_MI0VIM: thats how it's called on hf
[17:28] <fsphil_MI0VIM> good to know
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[17:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I hope this gets used on HF at some point
[17:29] <Maxell> fsphil_MI0VIM: number stations use channel markers to prevent people using it, just kepping the channel busy with buzzing or tones.
[17:29] <Maxell> Thos16?
[17:29] <Maxell> Thor16?
[17:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yes
[17:29] <Maxell> fsphil_MI0VIM: soooon I'll be coevering teh HF with a lot of digital
[17:30] <craag> Maxell: Take a look on the websdr to see what to look out for
[17:30] <ATCC> Can hear LOKI data on south coast but not strong enough to decode
[17:30] <Willdude123> Ah I can hear it
[17:30] <Maxell> craag: I know thor - I've done it on UHF/VHF
[17:30] <G8APZ> Maxell Those number stations should go digital!!!
[17:30] <fsphil_MI0VIM> man, the ft857 uses 10 watts just receiving
[17:30] <mikestir_M6DYE> new york repeater on 10m again
[17:31] <craag> Maxell: Yeah, meant for the channel markers/pattern etc
[17:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> mikestir_M6DYE what freq?
[17:31] <mikestir_M6DYE> 29.620 output (FM)
[17:31] <Maxell> craag: best example would be "The Buzzer". It's buzzing is just being idle.
[17:31] <ATCC> repeater on 29.610 FSD on wire at 8ft!
[17:31] <mikestir_M6DYE> input is .520, ctcss is 146.2
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[17:31] <Maxell> Or encrypted nulcear codes for warhead launching
[17:31] <Willdude123> mikestir_M6DYE, that would be KQ2H right?
[17:31] <mfa298> fsphil_MI0VIM: that sounds better than the TS-2000, that's something like 2A @13.8V for rx.
[17:32] <mikestir_M6DYE> Willdude123: yes
[17:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> eek
[17:32] <PA1SDB> LOKI dail 434.250 MHz USB ?
[17:32] <Willdude123> Weird how I know that
[17:32] <mikestir_M6DYE> it's s9+40 here
[17:32] <ATCC> 434.249USB on FT 847
[17:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> .249 here too
[17:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> +814 hz on the waterfall
[17:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> mikestir_M6DYE very weak here
[17:33] <bertrik> is LOKI doing some kind of floaty thing?
[17:33] <mikestir_M6DYE> seems to work well into UK. have worked through it on a few occasions yesterday and last weekend, but only ever to other uk stations
[17:33] <PE2G> DJ3AK: That's certainly strange. With my current antenna setup, I've virtually no reception towards any northerly direction. For any reception G-01 must be SW, S or SE of me.
[17:33] <PA1SDB> ATCC tnx
[17:33] <ATCC> welcome
[17:33] <bertrik> or is it about to burst?
[17:33] <craag> bertrik: Hoped to float
[17:34] <Oddstr13> any recomendations when it comes to antenna for receiving HABs?
[17:34] <fsphil_MI0VIM> seems to be settling into a float over the north sea
[17:34] <Maxell> at 25kms?
[17:34] <Maxell> sweet
[17:34] <fsphil_MI0VIM> however I've been here before with hadie:4
[17:34] <ATCC> got a decode in Southampton
[17:34] <craag> Oddstr13: Generally a 'white stick' 2m/70cm collinear
[17:34] <fsphil_MI0VIM> and it burst just as it was about to float
[17:34] <craag> Oddstr13: Works quite well for the money
[17:34] <Maxell> Oddstr13: height, height, height. You need to get a view of the horizon.
[17:35] <fsphil_MI0VIM> so I won't call it a float until it's been doing it for a while :)
[17:35] <Oddstr13> anything DIY?
[17:35] <DJ3AK> PE2G you are right, bearing here is 240 degrees. somehow 300 degrees was better for short moment, but 240 is correcht here
[17:36] <G8APZ> Oddstr13 you can make a colinear for 2m cheaply from coax cable so long as you know its velocity factor
[17:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> drifting a bit quicker now -- local sunset perhaps?
[17:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> altitude is dropping too
[17:37] <craag> Willdude123: Are you still connected to the websdr?
[17:37] <PE2G> DJ3AK: My current strongest direction for G-01 is 160 deg
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[17:37] <Willdude123> Shame they disabled the ESB input on KQ2H
[17:37] <PE2G> DJ3AK: Make it 150 deg
[17:38] <Willdude123> yeah cra
[17:38] <Willdude123> craag,
[17:38] <Willdude123> Yeah
[17:38] <craag> Willdude123: Ok thanks. I can't get to it suddenly..
[17:38] <DJ3AK> PE2G good, sig is increasing here, but sometimes deep fading
[17:38] <Willdude123> craag, not decoding tho
[17:39] <mfa298> Oddstr13: if you can get it in a good location even a simple dipole or ground plane antenna designed for 70cm can work well.
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[17:39] <mfa298> location and decent coax help with that setup.
[17:39] <PA3WEG1> LOKI decoded
[17:40] <PE2G> DJ3AK: OK. Signal is ~30 dB here with no noticable fading
[17:40] <G8APZ> Oddstr13 I meant you can make a colinear for 70cm cheaply from coax cable - google for home made colinear or collinear
[17:40] <mfa298> woohoo, I finally heard a bit of tune from loki
[17:40] <fsphil_MI0VIM> can you name it?
[17:40] <mfa298> it's the little things that matter
[17:40] <G8APZ> I'll name that tune in 1
[17:40] <Oddstr13> hm..
[17:40] <G8APZ> it's the one note samba
[17:41] <mfa298> sounded like the start of super mario (I think)
[17:41] <fsphil_MI0VIM> dropping in frequency now
[17:41] <fsphil_MI0VIM> mfa298: correct
[17:41] <PA3WEG1> also got GPS Navmode 6
[17:41] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea ignore that error
[17:41] Nick change: PA3WEG1 -> PA3WEG
[17:42] <mikestir_M6DYE> not quite readable on KQ2H today. still, not bad for 5W
[17:42] <DJ3AK> PE2G agn 300 deg. stronger than 240 deg. nw, very strange condx today
[17:42] <pb1dft> PA3WEG: freq?.
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[17:43] <bertrik> getting LOKI green decodes now
[17:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> craag: loki seems not burst?
[17:44] <DJ3AK> PE2G again 240 deg. is correct for me
[17:44] <pb1dft> still decoding G-01 on 137 Mhz turnstile
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[17:44] <craag> Reb-SM3ULC: No, still going up.
[17:44] <Maxell> Reb-SM3ULC: looks steady indeed! http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/aae5aec7fdc41b370bff990e9888a300#g/altitude,_speed
[17:44] <Maxell> pb1dft: you should get an 70 cm colinear up there
[17:45] <pb1dft> lol still making up my mind about the antenna setup ;)
[17:45] <pb1dft> i want to much
[17:45] <pb1dft> stuff at once
[17:45] <Willdude123> mikestir_M6DYE, what aerial you on?
[17:46] <mikestir_M6DYE> Willdude123: off centre dipole, half wave on 40
[17:46] <mikestir_M6DYE> covers 20, 15, 10 and 6
[17:46] <Maxell> pb1dft: 144 eggbeater also on the list? :)
[17:46] <mikestir_M6DYE> (and 40)
[17:46] <PB0NER> told him many times he should link up with my gear
[17:47] <mikestir_M6DYE> assuming you mean my hf one Willdude123
[17:47] <Willdude123> mikestir_M6DYE, not bad, I am on a G5R
[17:47] <Willdude123> mikestir_M6DYE, not bad, I am on a G5RV
[17:47] <mikestir_M6DYE> this is a homebrew thing. needs to be higher, but it's doing quite well
[17:47] <Maxell> pb1dft: same at revspace, next big move would be HF antenna. Yesterday we put up an LNA4ALL in front of the discone.
[17:47] <mfa298> Oddstr13: this is what I normally use to track balloons. https://www.dropbox.com/s/f2lxozaoyo19guq/2013-07-27%2016.55.45.jpg which is similar to the payload antennas people use on balloons (but the other way up)
[17:48] <Maxell> Seems to survive the P2000 pager!
[17:48] <pb1dft> Maxell: QFH
[17:48] <Maxell> wot?
[17:48] <pb1dft> quadrifilair helicoil
[17:48] <fsphil_MI0VIM> frequency still dropping
[17:49] <Oddstr13> mfa298: basicly 3 pieces of copper pipe?
[17:49] <PB0NER> LNA4ALL in front?
[17:49] <pb1dft> http://www.jcoppens.com/ant/qfh/fotos_7eq.en.php
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[17:49] <mfa298> Oddstr13: not even copper pipe, the driven element is just the centre of some rg58.
[17:49] <Maxell> PB0NER: P2000 stub antenna, lna4all in front of the dongle yes.
[17:50] <PA3WEG> pb1dft: 434.249
[17:50] <PA3WEG> loads of QRMexico here
[17:50] <PA3WEG> PB0NER: LNA4ALL is nearly the same as my LNA
[17:50] <Maxell> pb1dft: looks complex
[17:51] <PA3WEG> it has .2dB better IP3
[17:51] <Maxell> for stats right?
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[17:51] <Maxell> hor and vert pol?
[17:51] <mfa298> the key is it's in a good location (6th floor flat) and short piece of coax (<2m to the radio)
[17:51] <SP3OSJ> What is the address websdr to listen to G-01?
[17:51] <pb1dft> nice project for the summer ;)
[17:52] <Maxell> PA3WEG: QRMexico :P I wonder how much is much? Is revspace low on qrm?
[17:52] <Maxell> http://i.imgur.com/Fx9t1Uf.png etc
[17:52] <Willdude123> mikestir_M6DYE, ah mine is very low
[17:53] <PA3WEG> 247 now
[17:53] <Maxell> bertrik: hey, partial decodes!
[17:53] <PB0NER> did hear the thor
[17:54] <PA3WEG> Maxell: I have overhead power lines next door, and the isolators start arcing when huminity is high....Guess what!?
[17:54] <PA3WEG> *humidity
[17:54] <Maxell> PA3WEG: lol i know thi
[17:54] <Reb-SM3ULC> anyone able to campare loki vs b40 signalwise?
[17:54] <Maxell> I was biking trough wateringse veld
[17:54] <PB0NER> $$LOKI,695,17:54:10,54.9337,-0.2071,24651*28A5
[17:54] <Maxell> and the power lines making noise
[17:54] <Maxell> very loud 50 hz noise
[17:55] <Maxell> lololo
[17:55] <Maxell> $$LOKI,672,17:43:00,54.9175,-0.6497,24377*DCCD
[17:55] <Maxell> $$LOKI,673,17:43:02,54.9175,-0.6484,24386*D0D3
[17:55] <Maxell> $$LOKI,674,17:43:15,54.9176,-0.6400,24441*DE10
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[17:55] <Maxell> bertrik: loki RX about 10 mins ago
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[17:56] <PB0NER> $$LOKI,696,17:55:27,54.9357,-0.1559,24496*5C42
[17:56] <PB0NER> $$LOKI,697,17:55:29,54.9357,-0.1546,24491*EEF9
[17:56] <PB0NER> $$LOKI,698,17:55:42,54.9360,-0.1461,24459*B62A
[17:56] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 425km downrange, 1.4 degrees over the horizon
[17:56] <PB0NER> 445.6
[17:57] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I think I'm about to lose it
[17:57] <Maxell> we just had decodes 460 kms?
[17:57] <fsphil_MI0VIM> still decoding but it's very quiet
[17:57] <Maxell> ~1 degree elevation
[17:57] <mikestir_M6DYE> I just keep forgetting to chase it around the band - still usable sig here
[17:57] <PA3WEG_shack> I never keep track of the range or elevation
[17:57] <wd8mnv> it's frifting a bit in frequency as well
[17:57] <PA3WEG_shack> I always forget to look at that
[17:58] <wd8mnv> drifting*
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[17:59] <craag> If there was a temp sensor on loki, I reckon it would be rather cold right now
[17:59] <fsphil_MI0VIM> just a bit
[17:59] <craag> radio appears to be thermal driting quite a bit.
[17:59] <Maxell> ebr433 km: $$LOKI,704,17:58:50,54.9392,-0.0222,24537*4F5A
[17:59] <Maxell> bertrik: ^
[17:59] <fsphil_MI0VIM> there might actually be. this is upu-engineering
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[18:00] <fsphil_MI0VIM> woo, meridian line crossed!
[18:00] <fsphil_MI0VIM> bug free
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[18:02] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it looks like the radio warms up while tx'ing
[18:02] <PA3WEG_shack> $$LOKI,Error setting GPS navmode 6
[18:03] <fsphil_MI0VIM> nothing to see here, move along :)
[18:03] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's a timing bug, and harmless
[18:03] <mikestir_M6DYE> i think I had the same problem. using ubx?
[18:03] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea ubx
[18:03] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it sometimes takes slightly longer to query the current mode
[18:03] <PA3WEG_shack> fsphil_MI0VIM: ACK, moving on
[18:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> but it's already been set to mode 6
[18:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> so it doesn't really matter
[18:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> loki @ fq ?
[18:04] <mikestir_M6DYE> I think I found that sometimes it just didn't reply
[18:04] <PA3WEG_shack> I have posted that sentence earlier indeed
[18:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> this is going to be a long flight
[18:04] <PB0NER> loki is 247 @me
[18:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> definitly floating
[18:04] <PB0NER> loki is 434.247 @me
[18:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 446km from here
[18:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> PB0NER: thanks
[18:05] <Willdude123> This is fun - netflix is so desperate for my custom they keep giving me free trials
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[18:06] <PB0NER> $$LOKI,Error setting GPS navmode 6
[18:06] <PB0NER> ?
[18:06] <PA3WEG_shack> signal fading in and out a bit here
[18:06] <fsphil_MI0VIM> we just discussed that above PB0NER :) harmless timing error
[18:06] <PB0NER> makes telem line go red
[18:06] <Willdude123> Oh hey PB0NER. We were just discussing offensive callsigns earlier
[18:06] <PA3WEG_shack> No CRC martijn
[18:06] <PB0NER> I know
[18:07] <Willdude123> I like the name Martijn
[18:07] <Willdude123> And I love how I can't pronounce it
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[18:07] <Willdude123> I know a guy called Martijn but I think he's so sick of people saying it wrongly that he won't teach me
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[18:07] <PB0NER> Willdude123: what is offensive about my callsign? it is HUMOR
[18:07] <Willdude123> It's not
[18:08] <PA3WEG_shack> hahahaha
[18:08] <Willdude123> It's just a funny work
[18:08] <PA3WEG_shack> playing tunes!
[18:08] <Willdude123> *word
[18:08] <PA3WEG_shack> I got rickrolled
[18:08] <PA3WEG_shack> damn
[18:08] <fsphil_MI0VIM> :p
[18:08] <Willdude123> Mart - eyyyn I think
[18:08] <DL1SGP> Rig-Rolled?
[18:08] <Willdude123> Or mart-eyyyin
[18:08] <PA3WEG_shack> Really Laughing Out Loud here
[18:08] <PA3WEG_shack> that was perfect
[18:08] <Willdude123> PB0NER, M0FAG isn't allowed
[18:09] <fsphil_MI0VIM> keep the chat nice please
[18:09] <PB0NER> Willdude123: lol... thing is B0NER is not a dutch word...
[18:09] <jcoxon> oooo balloons are flying, lets focus on that
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[18:09] <craag> jcoxon: Seconded.
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[18:10] <PB0NER> so my call is not in any way offensive.... here
[18:10] <Willdude123> Pfft
[18:10] <fsphil_MI0VIM> my first bad decode not due to QRM
[18:10] <aadamson> by chance i Loki hearable via the UK websdr?
[18:10] <aadamson> i = is
[18:10] <PB0NER> but indeed... LOKI is working nice!
[18:10] <Willdude123> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdUsyy0LcHs
[18:10] <craag> aadamson: It is :)
[18:10] <PA3WEG_shack> and it DID rickrolll
[18:10] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I got the last string in that
[18:10] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it did PA3WEG_shack :)
[18:10] <aadamson> what freq, I'm not seeing anything at the 434.250 freq
[18:11] <craag> aadamson: .249 alternating beeps with telemetry once per minute or so.
[18:11] <PA3WEG_shack> some operator TXing here
[18:11] <mikestir_M6DYE> .2465 now
[18:11] <aadamson> I'm hearing it now...
[18:12] <aadamson> tnx
[18:12] <fsphil_MI0VIM> brb, food!
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[18:13] <G8APZ> Gee whiz... first decode of LOKI
[18:13] <aadamson> $$LOKI,730,18:12:38,54.9363,0.5528,24420*27DC - always fun when you can do that from the US :)
[18:13] <G8APZ> Dial 434.247.8
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[18:15] <aadamson> did I read above that this was upu hardware again?
[18:17] <Willdude123> If music is allowed, we should have a rickrolling payload
[18:17] <PA3WEG_shack> new tune
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[18:17] <Willdude123> Or ASSDV of Rick Astley
[18:17] <Willdude123> Oops
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[18:19] <LeoBodnar> awww
[18:19] <PA3WEG_shack> I wonder if the tunes rotate
[18:19] <PA3WEG_shack> will we get rickrolled again
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[18:19] <LeoBodnar> :(
[18:19] <Willdude123> Heh - using £130 of free server credit to mine Dogecoin - wow
[18:20] <Willdude123> Many payload - so musical
[18:20] <Willdude123> Wow
[18:20] <Willdude123> Such rick
[18:20] <Willdude123> Very roll
[18:20] <Maxell> no it is deaded
[18:20] <Maxell> very much fall, such speeds
[18:21] <bertrik> you mean LOKI burst
[18:21] <craag> yep :(
[18:21] <PA3WEG_shack> burst
[18:21] <Maxell> yep yep
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[18:21] <LeoBodnar> for no reason
[18:21] <Maxell> there we go
[18:21] <LeoBodnar> hey SP9UOB-Tom
[18:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[18:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> hey Leo
[18:21] <LeoBodnar> ing
[18:22] <LeoBodnar> I have a question for you
[18:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> im all Yours ;-)
[18:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> whatever that means ;-)
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[18:22] <LeoBodnar> I have looked at a graph you have posted some time ago http://sp9uob.verox.pl/solar/seba3solar.png
[18:22] <LeoBodnar> And I am not understanding it
[18:23] <LeoBodnar> I have downloaded the flight data
[18:23] <LeoBodnar> and it shows capacitor voltage shooting up right when the altitude starts to drop
[18:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh no :-(
[18:23] <LeoBodnar> how do they relate?
[18:23] <LeoBodnar> SEBA-3 I think it was called
[18:24] <LeoBodnar> I a just experimenting with some supercaps
[18:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: payload was lost, but im suspecting supercap damage by overvoltage
[18:25] <Willdude123> Pahahaaha https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/access_to_pornographic_websites
[18:25] <Willdude123> Ofcom's go-ne get trolllled
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[18:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: there were cells just with shotky diode - no regulator at all
[18:26] Nick change: BitEvil -> SpeedEvil
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[18:27] <PA3WEG_shack> seems like IØe lost LOKI here
[18:27] <PA3WEG_shack> *i´ve
[18:28] <LeoBodnar> so did capcaitor failure caused balloon to burst?
[18:28] <LeoBodnar> or the other way?
[18:28] <LeoBodnar> or is it coincidence?
[18:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: no
[18:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> just ccoincidence
[18:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> or...
[18:29] <craag> LOKI lost on websdr at 0.1 deg
[18:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> some wire just get loose during burst
[18:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> got?
[18:30] <LeoBodnar> let me upload a pic
[18:30] <mfa298> I'm still hearing it on the websdr (but not tried decoding at any point)
[18:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just got a new tracker setup, and then burst, what a shame he didnt get to hear something.
[18:30] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar im playing with supercaps as we speak
[18:31] <LeoBodnar> me too
[18:31] <LeoBodnar> cycling them with proper power analysis
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[18:32] <jcoxon> what sort of size?
[18:32] <LeoBodnar> here: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/files/SEBA3.png
[18:32] <LeoBodnar> from 1F to 250F
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> now in the freezer
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> no capacitance loss
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> but low energy density vs LiPos or Lithiums :(
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[18:34] <DL7AD> good evening
[18:34] <LeoBodnar> which ones do you have?
[18:34] <DL1SGP> Nabend Sven
[18:35] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: sendet G-01 permanent?
[18:35] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, i've got a setup with 2x5F in series
[18:35] <jcoxon> i mean 2x10F in series (2.5v each)
[18:35] <DL7AD> is G-01 transmitting permanently?
[18:35] <jcoxon> and then 2x1F in series (2.5v each)
[18:35] <Maxell> bertrik: ok, I'm goign to play with the habtracker setup now, all is lost it seems :P
[18:36] <bertrik> DL7AD: yes, it is transmitting continuously
[18:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: indeed, voltage get higher exactly at the burst... but it can be caused by the baloon
[18:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: baloon disapear, and no shade :-)
[18:36] <DL7AD> bertrik: i cant receive it here currently because in the south there is a high hill
[18:37] <PA3WEG_shack> LOKI out of range here, switching to FUNcube-1
[18:37] <LeoBodnar> what a strange chart
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[18:37] <LeoBodnar> what was charging the cap?
[18:37] <jcoxon> solar cells
[18:37] <jcoxon> of i thought that was to me
[18:38] <LeoBodnar> ah, ok so they are just as a temporary storage?
[18:38] <LeoBodnar> I was going to make a daytime only solar tracker with a 1F or 3F cap
[18:39] <jcoxon> so i'm using them for ukhasnet nodes
[18:39] <LeoBodnar> good enough for few minutes
[18:40] <jcoxon> on tests i've had it do most of the day as a repeater
[18:40] <jcoxon> then when the sun drops switch to just a beacon and go on for another 6 hours or so
[18:41] <LeoBodnar> on 2x10F?
[18:41] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/solar/sputnik.jpg that was the payload
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[18:41] <jcoxon> (so 5F at 5V)
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> There are 5V supercaps that are simply preselected balanced 2x2.5v
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> it's better to use them
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> cool SP9UOB-Tom
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> shame it has been lost
[18:43] <DL1SGP> *sniff* farewell Loki and rest in pieces
[18:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: we cannod find it because of no good weather (clouds)
[18:44] <LeoBodnar> do the nodes RX RTTY?
[18:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> it was waking up and going off
[18:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> AFK - going to the kids
[18:44] <LeoBodnar> k
[18:44] <Upu_M0UPU> ah damn
[18:44] <Upu_M0UPU> not getting that one back fsphil_MI0VIM
[18:44] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, no GFSK packets
[18:45] <LeoBodnar> why GFSK? FSK is more efficient
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> GFSK has narrower BW but that's not relevant for us
[18:46] Nick change: mikestir_M6DYE -> mikestir
[18:46] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
[18:49] <LeoBodnar> SP9UOB-Tom did you use a charging controller for the panels or just fed them directly to the cap?
[18:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: directly (via shotky)
[18:50] <Upu> so what was the issue with G-01 did some one say it was misreporting its location ?
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> hmm
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> it's a mystery, Tom
[18:51] <DL1SGP> Erm it is doing jumps towards the East periodically Upu, so eyes the pos is wrong
[18:52] <DL1SGP> I would assume it is somewhere near Bielefeld now
[18:52] <Upu> ok
[18:52] <DL1SGP> I will see if I can get a bearing with the HB9CV from garden
[18:52] <DL1SGP> in a bit :)
[18:54] <fsphil_MI0VIM> aww it burst
[18:54] <Upu> yup sadly
[18:54] <Upu> it did float for a bit though
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> I reckon it is at 8.5ºE now
[18:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: err.. not that pic
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[18:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: wait :-)
[18:55] <LeoBodnar> was it round?
[18:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: no, but it has more cells
[18:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> and was pink
[18:56] <DL1SGP> still south-west of my location
[18:56] Nick change: fsphil_MI0VIM -> fsphil
[18:56] <gonzo_> all down then now?
[18:56] <LeoBodnar> G-01 is going still
[18:57] <LeoBodnar> somewhere
[18:58] <fsphil> thanks for tracking everyone!
[18:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1RaozM2Bzk in the left corner You can see the payload (which doesnt fly with main seba-3) - and it was launched with the red pilot balloon which You can see in rear window of my car
[18:58] <DL1SGP> it just died
[18:58] <DL1SGP> one weird sound, gone
[18:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: what was payload weight and free lift ?
[18:58] <PE2G> Oh, I thought I lost it in my blind spot
[18:58] <fsphil> rfm22b's have a habit of doing that
[18:59] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: payload+batteries+insulation = 29g
[18:59] <fsphil> it had about 6g of lift
[18:59] <fsphil> battery even, just the one AA
[18:59] <DL1SGP> PE2G tune at .0765 and tell me if you get a carrier that is falling in NF pitch
[18:59] <DL1SGP> if you like
[18:59] <DL1SGP> mow going up
[18:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: how did You archeive it?
[18:59] <PE2G> OK
[19:00] <DL1SGP> that seem to be the remains of G-01
[19:00] <DL1SGP> it now is going down again
[19:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: filling pipe is heavier than 6g :-)
[19:00] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: used a very light weight pipe
[19:00] <fsphil> provided by KT5TK actually
[19:00] <PE2G> DL1SGP: Affirmative
[19:00] <DL1SGP> 1200Hz now PE2G
[19:00] <DL1SGP> going up
[19:01] <DL1SGP> and down again
[19:01] <PE2G> Right, got it
[19:01] <DL1SGP> good that should be it then
[19:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: i see. I have couple of 100g hwoyees
[19:02] <fsphil> I'm going to get a few more
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> I see SP9UOB-Tom
[19:02] <DL1SGP> we have not really known where G-01 was before, so this can be considered "Carrier-Only-Tracking"
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[19:03] <x-f> fsphil, a few years ago i saw the "first rickroll in space" video on youtube and that inspired me to launch a HAB myself
[19:04] <fsphil> ah, someone did it before me
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[19:04] <fsphil> hah, ft857 uses 150ma while switched off
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[19:05] <DL1SGP> that is the NSA Transmitter in it, fsphil :)
[19:05] <PE2G> G-01 carrier: http://s27.postimg.org/7aijz1ycj/Screen1326.jpg
[19:05] <fsphil> lol
[19:05] <Upu> haha
[19:05] <DL1SGP> that carrier has nicely stabilized now, hasn't it PE2G
[19:06] <fsphil> yikes
[19:06] <Upu> batteries probably dead
[19:06] <Upu> it was only mean to last 6 hours or so I think
[19:06] <DL1SGP> poor G-01 is trying for RTTY partially
[19:06] <PE2G> Yes, it's desparately trying to restart RTTY
[19:07] <LeoBodnar> GPS current spike must be resetting it
[19:07] <Upu> or the RFM22B has crashed
[19:07] <Upu> which they do
[19:07] <Upu> restart them every 20 lines or something
[19:08] <PE2G> G-01: http://s23.postimg.org/qhd66klzv/Screen1329.jpg
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> evening anthony
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> hi felix and PE2G
[19:09] <DL7AD> hi Lunar_Lander
[19:09] <JFS1> Update on BRUC01 - landed in a backgarden doing no damage to people or property - was safely recovered
[19:09] <DL1SGP> that is same I am getting here PE2G
[19:09] <Upu> good to hear JFS1
[19:09] <DL1SGP> nabend Kevin schoen dass du da bist
[19:09] <Upu> by you /
[19:09] <Upu> ?
[19:09] <LeoBodnar> happy ending but close shave
[19:09] <DL1SGP> haha JFS1 good work :)
[19:10] <JFS1> I got there ahead of the BRUC01 group and was in the process of doing door to door when they joined me
[19:10] <Upu> were they aware of the amount of cockery they'd just performed ?
[19:10] <DL1SGP> haha and did you p4wn them?
[19:11] <DL1SGP> all your paylods belong to us
[19:11] <LeoBodnar> 54) arrive early at predicted landing spot
[19:11] <PE2G> http://s23.postimg.org/qhd66klzv/Screen1329.jpg
[19:11] <PE2G> http://s13.postimg.org/syy4bch87/Screen1330.jpg
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[19:12] <JFS1> They were rather excited about their first flight so weren't really taking everything in
[19:12] <Upu> haha yeah you can say that again
[19:12] <jcoxon> go VK3YT-11
[19:12] <jcoxon> out flown everyone today
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> What do you mean by *first*?!
[19:12] <Upu> might get a reality check when they check their facebook
[19:12] <JFS1> checked that they had done some of the basics but will email tomorrow to point them at some ukhas guidance before they have another go
[19:12] <DL1SGP> welcome back Detlef ( DJ3AK ) G-01 has died, carrier is at 434.076,05
[19:13] <Upu> Yup VK3YT is doing well
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[19:13] <LeoBodnar> there will be more?
[19:13] <Upu> odd altitude
[19:13] <fsphil> they'll learn
[19:14] <DJ3AK> Hi Felix, yes, carrier is ok, but flat battery?
[19:14] <JFS1> will there be more - one swore never to do it again, another sounds like he would do it again tomorrow
[19:15] <DL1SGP> yeap batteries seem to provide insufficient power for RTTY. it has been trying for RTTY briefly after the voltage went to low but now is transmitting a carrier only
[19:15] <LeoBodnar> nice float http://aprs.fi/info/graphs/a/VK3YT-11
[19:15] <DL1SGP> Upu, would you happen to have an idea for how long such a carrier could remain present in case of batteries having gone too low for RTTY?
[19:16] <JFS1> anyway - enough unscheduled HAB chasing for one day - back to Croydon for me now
[19:16] <craag> Well done JFS1
[19:16] <Upu> I suspect it has 2 x AAA (well I know it does)
[19:16] <Upu> and its using a step down
[19:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: found better pics :-) https://plus.google.com/108111435264693957520/photos/photo/5882365063698132050?partnerid=gplp0
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[19:16] <Upu> so there will be voltage there
[19:16] <PE2G> Hi Lunar_Lander :) (I was a bit busy)
[19:16] <Upu> both the RFm22B and the AVR will run down to 1.8V
[19:17] <Upu> but the GPS doesn't and may be doing wierd stuff
[19:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar:it was 8 cells
[19:17] <DL1SGP> cool, thanks Upu
[19:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> no, 10 cells
[19:17] <Upu> code may be expecting response from GPS as well and it may be stuck in a loop
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:17] <LeoBodnar> oh wow, that's 7v potentially
[19:18] <LeoBodnar> in series?
[19:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: yes in series
[19:18] <DJ3AK> PE2G dir. G-01 is 215 degrees. ur dir nw?
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[19:19] <jcoxon> i fear that VK3YT is heading into a no-aprs zone
[19:20] <LeoBodnar> what was that gathering for? a lot of people!
[19:20] <PE2G> DJ3AK: it's still just outside my blind corner, which starts at ~135 deg or a bit less
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[19:21] <PE2G> Carrier wave only: http://s29.postimg.org/mp5n2g3ef/Screen1331.jpg
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[19:22] <DL1SGP> Carrier is very stable now
[19:23] <PE2G> Yes
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[19:23] <DJ3AK> PE2G on hor. yagi here it is still 240 degr. so same dir. for last 90 min. but much stronger nw
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[19:26] <PE2G> DJ3AK: So it could be somewhere between Hannover and Kassel?
[19:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: LOS - a hamfest :-)
[19:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOS - not for line of sight, but it is organized on border of three voivodeships - £ódzkie, Opolskie, ¦l±skie
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[19:30] <DJ3AK> Bielefeld, maybe
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[19:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: one more correction ;-) it was 2 parallel for 5 cells in series
[19:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> so 2.5V minus shotky
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[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> unveiling in 2 minutes
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> Ah, ok thanks. that explains it. On video there are lots of parked cars visible when balloon ascends
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> Unveiling in 10 seconds
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> http://gerblook.org/pcb/6JMtcrjJ8PVAX4pXRYQxRV#front
[19:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: nice place anyway :-)
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> hehe
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[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> hmmmm
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> interesting, no one reacted xD
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> we are all reacting, you just don't know we are :)
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> Wow, i've found a chasing movie :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekh3lCLF9SE Mission impossible (payloads was split after the burst)
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[19:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: i've found a chasing movie :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekh3lCLF9SE
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[19:41] <LeoBodnar> yeah I have seen it already when searching for SEBA3 details
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> So SEBA-3 were several payloads?
[19:42] <DL1SGP> rest in pieces G-01, the carrier has vanished
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[19:43] <mclane> Lunar_Lander: looks interesting
[19:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: well...
[19:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: the plan was: 3 payloads under one baloon
[19:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> but... during the launch cord between solar payload and the rest of the train (it was the last one) was broken
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> thanks mclane
[19:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> then, after the burst APRS payload was splitted unintentionally from the train
[19:46] <mclane> do you have a schematic?
[19:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> so it was 3 landing sites, and 2 balloons
[19:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> and 66% recovered ;-)
[19:48] <LeoBodnar> hehe it's nice to learn the story behind a payload doc
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, yea
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/o/a/m/5yvg1v-k4k9oo-ta4r/StormdrifterIIv20Schematic.png
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[19:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> ;-) there was: 70cm payload with RTTY (no gps lock - because of ATV), 23 cm ATV which was not working properly (PLL was lost its lock), 50 MHz RTTY, another 70 cm payload, APRS tracker and logger, and the solar one.
[19:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> it was also my first H2 attempt. No humans were harmed ;-)
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[19:53] <LeoBodnar> Ah, I have noticed what looked like a 23cm yagi on one image
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> 3500x1600 mil
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:55] <mclane> looks nice Lunar_Lander
[19:56] <mclane> when will you fly it??
[19:56] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> I read that as 3.5m x 1.6m for a moment then ;)
[19:57] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> looks much smaller Lunar_Lander
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, this summer probably
[19:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SulJXWUaHlE at 4:05 You can see the launch moment, and the last payload on the ground :-)
[19:58] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> you could reroute the traces to I/O 20-23 to keep them a little further away from the antenna
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> that is what I was worried about
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> will try to move them a bit
[19:59] <LeoBodnar> grozi vybuhem - I like that
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[20:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: that means "explosive"
[20:00] <LeoBodnar> did payload train snapped?
[20:00] <LeoBodnar> I know
[20:00] <LeoBodnar> heh
[20:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> snapped?
[20:01] <Willdude123> I would take my handy on a walk but it seems nobody uses repeaters at weekends
[20:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> weak cord, and wind gust
[20:01] <LeoBodnar> it looked like it just snapped the line/rubberband you held with your hands
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> Lunar_Lander: this is amazing! well done!
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> thanks LeoBodnar :)
[20:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: no, the line was just broken
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> that's what I meant it just separated
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[20:05] <LeoBodnar> onboard video also had very quick launch
[20:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> the wind was very gusty
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[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbsM6EDF, http://gerblook.org/pcb/wfzEcb3QLrPCjmb9bRuqaZ
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[20:12] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Better, but its still a bit eek :/
[20:13] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> get a second opinion from someone who knows what they are talking about :P
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[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, what do you say?
[20:17] <Upu> about what ?
[20:17] <Upu> sorry not been following the conversation
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[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> I reworked my board http://gerblook.org/pcb/wfzEcb3QLrPCjmb9bRuqaZ
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> and the thing chris and I discussed was the antenna
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[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> if that is OK with the one I/O header there
[20:20] <Upu> I wouldn't have that 23-20 header up ther
[20:20] <Upu> there
[20:20] <Upu> you don't want anything near that chip antenna
[20:20] <Upu> and move R3 to the right a little
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> ok, thanks
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[20:24] <eroomde> saturday evening cheer
[20:24] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Vqp6UveIU
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[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Upu, I think I got it
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> I removed 22 and 23, now that header doesn't extend past the GPS anymore
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[20:32] <LeoBodnar> keep going
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> ?
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[20:37] <eroomde> this girl looks like nicholas cage
[20:37] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/Ghq6McR.jpg
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[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, LeoBodnar http://gerblook.org/pcb/hyLChaojNALgHV6iLTdeh4
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[21:06] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Looks like it should be fine Lunar_Lander
[21:07] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Dont forget mounting holes and rounded corners if you want them
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[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
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[21:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Object Movie and odd images from the LOKI flight today http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/LOKI_20140216/index.php?ind=0
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[21:21] <fsphil> nice
[21:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> nps, always fun to do!
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> What was the outcome on the G-01 flight I see there was discussion about the GPS positions ?
[21:22] <fsphil> what's the waterfall pic for?
[21:22] <fsphil> did anyone spot this? http://i.imgur.com/QOyJFhs.jpg
[21:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> I just keep it running out from fldigi I just hadn't got round to deleteing it yet!
[21:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> gone :-) I never heard it having been dragged out to sit in Paham harbour for the afternoon ;-)
[21:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> It was nice and sunny ;-)
[21:23] <fsphil> nice
[21:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=824757030883853&set=a.566223600070532.147164.100000486915475&type=1&theater
[21:24] <Upu> facebook isn't loading for me atm
[21:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh its not public so you won't see it :-(
[21:25] <fsphil> nor here
[21:25] <Upu> oh it just loaded
[21:25] <Oddstr13> anyone got an idea of what this signal might be?
[21:25] <Oddstr13> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4306267/random/2014-02-16_222423_0000558.png
[21:25] <fsphil> probably noise from the usb cable or the computer
[21:26] <DL1SGP> Oddstr13: that is what noise looks like
[21:26] <fsphil> I see that a lot on the funcube dongle
[21:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> Or aliens are talking to us ;-)
[21:26] <DL1SGP> yeah same here fsphil :D
[21:28] <Oddstr13> heh
[21:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> "we come in peace"
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[21:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> just decoded ;-)
[21:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/LOKI_20140216/where%20I%20was%20during%20the%20flight.jpg
[21:30] <fsphil> is that suppose to be a lake?
[21:30] <fsphil> difficult to tell these days
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[21:31] <Oddstr13> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4306267/random/2014-02-16_223038_0000559.png
[21:31] <Oddstr13> this then?
[21:31] <DL1SGP> SP9UOB-Tom: "We come in peace, we won't kill you, just assimilate you, resistance is futile" :D
[21:32] <mfa298> with the comments about FB I thought I'd see if there were more comments on the Brunel post - Looks like they've removed it (or made it non public)
[21:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> Oddstr13: "People of Earth, your attention, please. This is Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz of the Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council"
[21:34] <LeoBodnar> haha
[21:34] <Upu> lol
[21:34] <DL1SGP> yes mfa298 looks like they set the entire pre launch post to /dev/null
[21:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> As you will no doubt be aware, the plans for development of the outlying regions of the Galaxy require the building of a hyperspatial express route through your star system. And regrettably, your planet is one of those scheduled for demolition. The process will take slightly less than two of your Earth minutes. Thank you.
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[21:35] <LeoBodnar> HS2
[21:35] <Oddstr13> ._.
[21:35] <DL1SGP> but we still could easily express our thoughts on their performance directly to the Prof who was involved in this (the one who was mentioned to release launch location coordinates)
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[21:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> No its a Lagoon actual connected to the sea so its meant to be there ;-) fsphil
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[21:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> and the G-01 flight by http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/G-01_20140216/
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[21:46] <Oddstr13> http://www.twitch.tv/oddstr13 this then?
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> Oddstr13, cool you are on twitch
[21:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> Oddstr13: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vFwTJ44lFw sound silimar ;-)
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[21:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> time to bed, nightm all
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> night SP9UOB-Tom
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[21:56] <Oddstr13> Lunar_Lander: yep
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:56] <Oddstr13> don't stream much tho
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[22:37] <realflash> Good evening. Can someone please answer a question about dl-fldigi? We are unable to start it in hab mode because it crashes when we do, but it launches OK without the --hab flag
[22:38] <realflash> Having launched it, we only get one set of red lines in the waterfall display, not two
[22:38] <craag> realflash: Do you get an error message?
[22:38] <realflash> Yes, I've reported the bug some weeks ago
[22:38] <craag> Oh, link?
[22:38] <realflash> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/issues/22
[22:39] <craag> looks like an audio issue to me
[22:39] <craag> have you tried just using the release deb files?
[22:40] <realflash> But really the question is how to get the second set of tuning lines in the waterfall display. We're trying to decode recorded telemetry
[22:40] <realflash> There was no deb for our release of Ubuntu
[22:40] <craag> Just install the old one
[22:40] <fsphil> you only get the two lines in the RTTY mode
[22:41] <fsphil> well that's not true
[22:41] <craag> There's been no real changes, so no need to change the deb
[22:41] <fsphil> lots of modes have two lines
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[22:41] <fsphil> but CW/Morse has just one
[22:41] <craag> I've used the ppa version on every version of ubuntu so far, no issues.
[22:41] <realflash> I'll give that a go, thanks
[22:42] <realflash> So we've switched to RTTY mode, and there's still one line
[22:42] <realflash> (one set of two lines)
[22:43] <craag> Just edit the sources.list file to point to raring instead, then apt-get update & install
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[22:43] <fsphil> that's normal
[22:43] <fsphil> two red lines
[22:43] <fsphil> you'll get another set of yellow lines if you hover the mouse over the waterfall
[22:44] <fsphil> this is just an indicator of where it will tune to if you click there
[22:44] <realflash> I'm comparing to the screenshots in http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
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[22:45] <realflash> I can't find a way to get one line over each signal in the waterfall, as the two red lines seem to be a fixed distance apart
[22:45] <realflash> I'm assuming I just haven't found the right number/box yet
[22:46] <craag> realflash: You're looking for "Custom Shift" in "Modems" => "RTTY"
[22:46] <mfa298> in the rtty settings the shift value will change the distance between the red lines
[22:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right click the Mode RTTY in the lefthand lower corner and adjust the Carrier Shift slider
[22:48] <realflash> Modems > RTTY > RX doesn't mention shift. TX does.
[22:49] <realflash> And there's no Mode RTTY in the bottom left.
[22:49] <realflash> I'm guessing HAB mode might make this easier
[22:49] <fsphil> you're using too new a version
[22:49] <fsphil> that one has a faulty rtty modem
[22:49] Nick change: jdiez -> Guest81353
[22:50] Nick change: Guest81353 -> jdiez
[22:50] <craag> realflash: Use the one in the ppa, it's a lot easier!
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[22:50] <fsphil> agreed
[22:50] <fsphil> the current github version is flawed
[22:51] <realflash> I'm trying that now
[22:51] <craag> :)
[22:51] <fsphil> the developers of fldigi seem to have replaced the rtty modem with a crappy one
[22:51] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Did you say you were using habrotate earlier?
[22:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup seemed ok
[22:52] <craag> Cool :)
[22:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> It appeared to track G-01 and LOKI but being below the local horizon .....
[22:59] <realflash> I've switched the deb now, and can launch in HAB mode OK
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[23:00] <realflash> Custom shift doesn't seem to do anything for me. Should it take effect the moment I set it, or when I click Save or Close?
[23:02] <craag> realflash: Have you selected 'Custom Shift' in the dropdown above it?
[23:02] <fsphil> should happen straight away
[23:03] <mfa298> it may not change anything until you adjust the shift as well as selecting custom shift
[23:04] <realflash> I've done both with no effect
[23:04] <fsphil> you're definitly in rtty mode?
[23:04] <fsphil> it should say at the bottom left
[23:04] <craag> Does it say "RTTY" in the bottom left of the main window?
[23:05] <realflash> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7177322/Workspace%201_010.jpg
[23:05] <fsphil> you're in PSK32 mode
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[23:05] <fsphil> PSK31 even
[23:06] <realflash> RTTY is not in that list
[23:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Op Mode on the menu
[23:07] <fsphil> Op Mode > RTTY
[23:07] <fsphil> it'll list a number of preset RTTY modes
[23:07] <craag> > Custom
[23:08] <realflash> That's done it, thanks.
[23:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> To upload data you will also need to run thru the DL Client configure settings especially the Location tab!
[23:18] <realflash> Using PulseAudio, does anyone have advice on getting it to connect to the played back data directly? It seems to be picking up the data through the microphone at the moment
[23:18] <Darkside> pavucontrol
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[23:19] <Darkside> you should be able to reroute stuff in there
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[23:23] <realflash> That's done it. Thanks everyone and goodnight
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[23:27] <fsphil> pulseaudio may bring you pain later
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