highaltitude.log.20140209

[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> evening priyesh and craag
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> and Prometheus
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> oh and good night craag :)
[00:03] <Prometheus> 73's LL
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[00:28] <KT5TK> KT5TK-4 will try to switch to 145.825 MHz at the upcoming ISS pass
[00:29] <KT5TK> That's around 0039 ... 0055 UTC
[00:29] <KT5TK> Watch http://www.ariss.net/
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[00:36] <Darkside> KT5TK: what power is it doing?
[00:36] <Darkside> and what antenna
[00:37] <KT5TK> 100 mW and dipole
[00:37] <Darkside> ahh
[00:37] <Darkside> hrm
[00:37] <Darkside> you'll be pushing it to hit the ISS with that powr
[00:37] <KT5TK> The ground side is however 1.5 x l
[00:37] <Darkside> especially given thw QRM from the rest of th eUS
[00:38] <KT5TK> It's just a try. But it might become useful out at the ocean
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[00:43] <adwiens_KC0WYS> oh wow that's an interesting idea
[00:43] <KT5TK> ISS is coming close, but no US stations at all at the moment.
[00:45] <KT5TK> Now we have 2
[00:47] <KT5TK> At least APRS telemetry says it has switched frequencies: http://aprs.fi/telemetry/a/KT5TK-4
[00:52] <KT5TK> Not this time, it seems. Oh, well..
[00:52] <KT5TK> We'll have more opportunities later
[00:55] <KT5TK> OK, switched back to regular APRS.
[01:05] <DL7AD> we're getting speed :)
[01:07] <KT5TK> We'll get much faster tomorrow: http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/10hPa/orthographic=-44.10,11.77,357
[01:07] <Darkside> assumine it survivs sunris
[01:08] <Darkside> sunrise*
[01:08] <adwiens_KC0WYS> lol approaching baton rouge airport
[01:08] <adwiens_KC0WYS> at 30km altitude no problem though :P
[01:08] <Darkside> all the balloons we've launched lik this never survive the first sunrise
[01:08] <Darkside> after a float anyway
[01:08] <Laurenceb_> crossed the Mississippi
[01:09] <adwiens_KC0WYS> do they survive the night or is it the sunrise that kills them?
[01:09] <Darkside> the sunrise
[01:09] <KT5TK> Darkside: If It has survived the calm and hot day today, we might have chances tomorrow when we get further north
[01:09] <Darkside> the problem is the expanding gas at sunrise
[01:09] <adwiens_KC0WYS> ah
[01:10] <Darkside> and at that point th eballoon is alrady weakened due to UV exposure
[01:10] <Darkside> that extra expansion kills it
[01:11] <KT5TK> There are multiple parameters that influence this. Eg. land or sea, horizontal speed, latitude etc.
[01:11] <KT5TK> It's always a gamble.
[01:12] <Darkside> its been pretty consistent though
[01:13] <Darkside> of the many latex floater flights we've seen, i think all of them have faild at this point
[01:14] <KT5TK> Especially when they came close to the equator
[01:14] <Lunar_Lander> KT5TK, nice to see another balloon flying :)
[01:14] <KT5TK> We never give up ;)
[01:14] <LeoBodnar> I think the problem is overheating latex skin [01:09] <Darkside> the problem is the expanding gas at sunrise
[01:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[01:14] <Lunar_Lander> hi LeoBodnar
[01:14] <LeoBodnar> hi Lunar_Lander
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[01:16] <LeoBodnar> When balloon ascends it is cooled down. It stops, latex warms up, boom.
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[01:16] <LeoBodnar> If it keeps moving, no problem
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[01:17] <KT5TK> That's what I mean with horizontal speed. Mure turbulence at the hull
[01:17] <KT5TK> More
[01:18] <KT5TK> The K6RPT floaters didn't burst because they were traveling very fast
[01:19] <KT5TK> Until they reached the calm and sunny Mediterranian
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[01:33] <KT5TK> Just got a notification that someone ("Josh") has picked up a position through the ISS. See: http://kt5tk.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/kt5tk-5-foil-floater-just-launched/#comments
[01:34] <Darkside> uhh
[01:34] <Darkside> nope
[01:34] <Darkside> thats direct
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[01:34] <Darkside> also if thats what you're sending, you wouldnt be gated by the ISS anyway
[01:35] <KT5TK> It should have ARISS in the path, correct?
[01:35] <Darkside> ys
[01:35] <Darkside> yes
[01:35] <KT5TK> Or RS)ISS or something
[01:35] <Darkside> and theres no ARISS in the path received by Josh, not a RS0ISS callsign
[01:35] <Darkside> so its very likelt just a direct copy
[01:36] <KT5TK> I wonder if I have a bug with generating the path. I'll have to check
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[04:00] <KT5TK> I posted some launch pictures from BLT-37 / KT5TK-4 at http://tkrahn.net
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[05:08] <adwiens_KC0WYS> kt5tk: nice photos!
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[07:15] <uu4jlm_Valery> A5< 4>1@>5 CB@> :)
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[07:39] <jcoxon> so slow
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[07:41] <Babs_> jcoxon - I'm watching the mens downhill. Your post looked a bit incongruous for a moment.
[07:41] <Babs_> one dude just clocked 135 kph. mental.
[07:42] <jcoxon> hehe, i mean kt5tk-4
[07:42] <jcoxon> :-D
[07:42] <jcoxon> the good news is that it settled into a nice low night ttime float
[07:43] <jcoxon> so could survive sunrise
[07:43] <Babs_> is that being relayed through a repeater?
[07:45] <es5nhc> aprs.fi is not happy
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[07:47] <jcoxon> es5nhc, why is that?
[07:48] <es5nhc> Screams "seriously bad path" in the details because digipeaters are used at high altitude
[07:48] <jcoxon> oh right
[07:48] <jcoxon> i think its not es5nhc that will be unhappy but some members of the aprs community
[07:48] <jcoxon> just wait for hte emails to come...
[07:48] <jcoxon> i don't mean es5nhc i mean aprs.fi!
[07:48] <jcoxon> oops
[07:49] <es5nhc> heheh
[07:49] <jcoxon> sorry es5nhc
[07:49] <es5nhc> Maybe that functionality is there because of heated arguments in E-mail reflectors? ;)
[07:49] <jcoxon> quite possibly
[07:52] <jcoxon> if only the balloon would head a little north
[07:52] <jcoxon> it would then pick up speed!
[07:52] <es5nhc> Looks like this is headed to Gulf of Mexico for now
[07:53] <Upu> promising
[07:54] <jcoxon> well its still flying, thats a good start
[07:54] <Upu> hah yeah
[07:55] <Upu> however its following the same profile as mine
[07:55] <Upu> (mine dropped to 27km over night I think)
[07:55] <Upu> on the plus side
[07:55] <Upu> its going so damn slow we'll know what happens at sunrise
[07:55] <jcoxon> yes
[07:55] <jcoxon> thats very true
[07:56] <jcoxon> Upu, on a side note, i've spent the weekend switching ukhasnet to use rfm69hw modules
[07:56] <Upu> is that the 434 mhz one ?
[07:56] <jcoxon> no 915/868
[07:57] <es5nhc> 37 km/h... Slow like James May
[07:57] <Upu> oh ok I thought it was using those at the momenty
[07:57] <jcoxon> we started off using rm22s
[07:59] <Upu> I will look into that when I have a little free time
[08:00] <mikestir> morning. Upu: did you see the rfm69w (not hw) is now officially quoted as working down to 1.8V?
[08:01] <jcoxon> i'm not sure we'd be able to use the rfm69 in the same way as we use the rfm22
[08:01] <Upu> Hope RF told me again and again it wasn't
[08:01] <Upu> in fact
[08:01] <jcoxon> there isn't a continous carrier mode
[08:01] <Upu> the RFM22B shouldn't have worked at 1.8V
[08:02] <Upu> the switch it used wasn't rated that low
[08:02] <Upu> tbh they were a little dodgy anyway ok for short flights but too many just froze up
[08:02] <Upu> either software or literally
[08:03] <mikestir> yeah that fits with my testing of the rfm22b - the rfm23b (which doesn't have the switch) is fine though
[08:03] <jcoxon> yeah we were chatting about this yesterday on #ukhasnet
[08:03] <jcoxon> its time to move on from them
[08:03] <jcoxon> but the did allow for the early dev of pico tech
[08:04] <Upu> yep
[08:04] <mikestir> I was going to switch my sensor network to rfm69w but I found a bag of rfm23b, so it can use those for now :)
[08:04] <jcoxon> mikestir, what sort of sensor network do you have?
[08:04] <mikestir> jcoxon: it's for zoned control of the central heating
[08:04] <jcoxon> oh nice
[08:05] <mikestir> uses a programmable TRV with custom firmware and an added radio module
[08:05] <jcoxon> did you know we are building a ukhasnet sensor/any thing network
[08:05] <daveake> aha I want to do that when we move
[08:05] <mikestir> currently struggling to finish it before spring due to lack of time
[08:05] <jcoxon> http://www.ukhas.net/
[08:05] <jcoxon> we are setting up local sensor networks
[08:05] <jcoxon> which might be occasionally linked by balloon...
[08:06] <mikestir> yeah I remember you mentioned it the other week. sounds interesting
[08:06] <jcoxon> its almost like a licence exempt aprs network really
[08:06] <jcoxon> we are on #ukhasnet
[08:06] <jcoxon> the more the merrier
[08:07] <jcoxon> i'm working on a bridge idea so that people with existing setups keep those setups
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[08:07] <jcoxon> and have a bridge node that allows their data to be uploaded as well
[08:14] <mikestir> jcoxon: I'm working on a simple protocol for small scale general protocol for sensor networks. I'll have a look at yours to see if there's any commonality
[08:14] <mikestir> I did consider both rfm23b and rfm69w so it doesn't rely too much on packet handler capabilities
[08:15] <mikestir> lol that first sentence made very little sense!
[08:15] <jcoxon> yeah our protocol is super simple
[08:15] <mikestir> "simple general protocol for small scale sensor networks"
[08:16] <craag> We're hoping to get the rfm22 talking to the rfm69hw as well, just need to match up the packet-format config hopefully
[08:16] <jcoxon> mikestir, have a browse :-)
[08:16] <jcoxon> the more networks the better as one of the milestone is to fly a balloon with a node
[08:17] <jcoxon> which will connect hte networks together for the flight
[08:17] <jcoxon> and watch the mess...
[08:19] <mikestir> one of the ideas I'm looking at is to turn the whole daft IP to node idea on its head and provide a standard way of tunnelling a more lightweight protocol over IP
[08:19] <craag> like 6lowpan?
[08:20] <mikestir> no. 6lowpan tunnels IP over a lightweight protocol
[08:20] <craag> oh I see
[08:20] <mikestir> which no matter how hard I try, I just can't see as a sensible idea
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[08:28] <mikestir> jcoxon: I notice on the wiki you talk about RFM69 being hard to get. Have you tried ideetron in .nl?
[08:29] <jcoxon> yeah we've seen that
[08:29] <jcoxon> i think that'll be our source from now on
[08:29] <jcoxon> ebay while super cheap took ages
[08:30] <mikestir> yeah I've had a few from them for evalation. they're still really cheap apart from the 10 euro postage
[08:30] <mikestir> *evaluation (not doing very well this morning)
[08:31] <jcoxon> mikestir, we might try and persuade some online shop to stock them
[08:31] <jcoxon> hint hint Upu
[08:31] <mikestir> hehe
[08:31] <mikestir> that would be convenient :)
[08:32] <jcoxon> we've now got 4 networks running, myself, craag down in southampton, x-f over in lithuania and Maxell in nl
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[08:33] <jcoxon> i mean latvia not lithuania - sorry x-f
[08:33] <mikestir> there's not really any overlap with my protocol, but I'd be up for sticking a bridge node on the roof
[08:34] <mikestir> another project to add to my never-ending list
[08:36] <jcoxon> mikestir, that would be great
[08:37] <jcoxon> the more nodes the better
[08:40] <mikestir> daveake: give me a shout when you're thinking of starting your project. I've got a mostly feature-complete alternative firmware for one of the cheaper programmable TRVs
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[08:41] <daveake> cheers, will do
[08:42] <daveake> they have regular TRVs there now (in the house we're moving into in 3 weeks) so no plumbing needed
[08:42] <mikestir> yeah these ones were a straight swap for mine, but they come with various adapters as well
[08:43] <daveake> yeah I understood they just plug onto the valve part
[08:43] <daveake> The heating is LPG so it'll be good to save fuel by only heating the parts of thr house in use at that time
[08:45] <mikestir> networking them also allows for any zone to turn the boiler on
[08:45] <daveake> yes, vital imo
[08:45] <mikestir> with most of my house currently using them in their out-of-the-box programmable state, and a separate programmable room stat, we find half the house is permanently freezing
[08:45] <mikestir> gas bill is lower though :)
[08:45] <daveake> ha :)
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[09:37] <jcoxon> morning WB8ELK
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[09:39] <mikestir> some good HF conditions yesterday. wonder if today will be similar
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[09:53] <ibanezmatt13> Dire Straits to accompany a stats exam. Awesome
[09:53] <DL1SGP1> heh matt
[09:53] <ibanezmatt13> :)
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[09:58] <ibanezmatt13> Also to distract me from the fact I can't launch next weekend or probably the weekend after due to crap weather :(
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[10:08] <jcoxon> kt5tk's gps is unhappy
[10:10] Action: SpeedEvil feeds KT5TK's GPS good chips.
[10:10] <SpeedEvil> Good chips make GPS happy!
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[10:16] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, any news on b-38?
[10:20] <LeoBodnar> out of my range at the moment, it went off like a cannonball, low and fast
[10:20] <jcoxon> but up?
[10:21] <LeoBodnar> yeah
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[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Which Mode on B-38 LeoBodnar
[10:30] <LeoBodnar> Contestia 8/1000
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK, ah its not in the flight list yet
[10:31] <LeoBodnar> ah
[10:31] <mikestir> uhf?
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> I was going to use my new aerial rotator setup oh well!
[10:32] <LeoBodnar> heh
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.5 is normal
[10:32] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE, it'll appear
[10:32] <jcoxon> soon
[10:32] <jcoxon> when someone authorises the flight doc
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hoped it might ;-)
[10:33] <Darkside> jcoxon: what doc
[10:33] <jcoxon> 6f3521839fb0bd2c417c522a3818d4bc
[10:34] <Darkside> approved
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[10:34] <jcoxon> i should probably learn
[10:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Aerials rotating ....
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> KNN isn't about to give us a lead even!
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[10:37] <LeoBodnar> I can hear it beeping but can't get telemetry
[10:39] <LeoBodnar> I reckon it is about 20 degrees for you Geoff
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[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup it should have moved around a bit by now!
[10:39] <LeoBodnar> or maybe it is in the next field heh
[10:40] <Darkside> go DF iot
[10:40] <Darkside> it*
[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could be stuck in that 900' tree !
[10:40] <x-f> SP3OSJ is floating, might be in my range in a couple of hours
[10:40] <x-f> es5nhc, keep an eye on it
[10:43] <Upu> how the heck did you launch that LeoBodnar its blowing a gale
[10:44] <LeoBodnar> hah, it was off like a rabbit
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lucky it didn't take you with it!
[10:44] <LeoBodnar> lol
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> MONDO-F1 Telemetry tags look interesting Ballast, Vent ...
[10:48] <jcoxon> no data yet :-(
[10:49] <Upu> Does KT5TK win the slowest high altitude balloon ever ?
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh blimey hadn't checked that last update time I thought it had gone missing
[10:51] <Upu> nope its still with us
[10:52] <Upu> the GPS powering off is doing some dicky things
[10:52] <Upu> but overall ok
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice float as well
[10:52] <Upu> yuo
[10:52] <Upu> yup
[10:52] <Upu> its sunrise that will be interesting
[10:53] <LeoBodnar> can anybody hear B-38?
[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope :-(
[10:53] <Upu> post when its transmitting
[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> not too suprising for me however its behind the chalk
[10:53] <Upu> 434.500 I assume ?
[10:53] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[10:53] <Upu> out of my range atm
[10:53] <LeoBodnar> ok
[10:54] <LeoBodnar> thanks for checking!
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[10:54] <Upu> but shout when it transmits
[10:54] <Upu> antenna is pointing at it
[10:54] <LeoBodnar> ok
[10:54] <Upu> sort of
[10:54] <Upu> its pointing at many direcitons at once in this wind
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> I like the point into Wind feature in PSTRotate
[10:55] <Upu> not seen that
[10:55] <GMT> any news on B-38 (just tuned-in)
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> LeoBodnar, can hear the beeps but that's all
[10:56] <Upu> thats good
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[10:57] <LeoBodnar> cheers Geoff-G8DHE
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sry Leo that was for GMT. that you were hearing the beeps nothing here yet
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[10:59] <GMT> Geoff-G8DHE: okay thanks, can't hear beeps, but not sure of exact freq
[10:59] <jcoxon> data!
[10:59] <LeoBodnar> just transmitted RSID and stuff
[10:59] <GMT> different scanner today, so not sure how accurate it is.
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> update!
[10:59] <Upu> think I see the pips
[10:59] <LeoBodnar> Cool
[11:00] <Upu> whats the transmission frequency ?
[11:01] <jcoxon> its going quick
[11:01] <Upu> see KT5TK this is how quick you should be going
[11:03] <LeoBodnar> haha wind is a vicious mistress
[11:04] <Upu> :)
[11:05] <es5nhc> Wait, WUT? There is a balloon coming from Poland?
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[11:07] <bertrik> is B-38 on a once-per-5-minutes schedule wrt transmitting?
[11:08] <LeoBodnar> yes bertrik
[11:08] <es5nhc> x-f, are you monitoring?
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[11:09] <Upu> Went away
[11:09] <Upu> came back $$B-38,44,110805,140209,52.3156,0.4871,708.,9,-28,1.37*4114
[11:09] <Upu> so yes I can see it :)
[11:10] <es5nhc> What are the details of SP9UOB??
[11:10] <Upu> SP3)SJ ?
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[11:10] <es5nhc> oh yes
[11:10] <es5nhc> SP3OSJ
[11:10] <Upu> not sure
[11:10] <Upu> try dl-fldigi auto config for it
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[11:12] <es5nhc> Aha, 437.700
[11:14] <Upu> I am getting but but loads of QRM here
[11:18] <jcoxon> kt5tk is beginning to ascend
[11:18] <jcoxon> must be sunrise
[11:19] <es5nhc> 6:19 AM Eastern time
[11:19] <es5nhc> 5:19 Central
[11:20] <jcoxon> as its at altitude it'll get the sun a little earlier
[11:20] <es5nhc> yup
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Drat B-38 going even lower below on my horizon as it goes North :-(
[11:20] <es5nhc> Although on the surface it is dark yet in even as East as Miami
[11:21] <jcoxon> es5nhc, yes its perhaps a little early for it to rise
[11:21] <jcoxon> perhaps as its over the Gulf now
[11:21] <es5nhc> OK, Sunrise in Miami at 1200 UTC, so should be starting to dawn there
[11:21] <es5nhc> twilight much shorter there far south
[11:22] <jcoxon> maybe its just an oscillation
[11:23] <Upu> thats a weak signal LeoBodnar
[11:23] <Upu> I can see the RSID
[11:23] <Upu> but the contenstia is pretty much invisibale
[11:23] <Upu> spelling :/
[11:23] <LeoBodnar> ok, i must have screwed something up
[11:24] <GMT> Im not even seeing a signal, and Im well inside the blue circle
[11:24] <LeoBodnar> my skillz got rusty
[11:24] <LeoBodnar> need to do it more often
[11:25] <GMT> need to announce it more often!
[11:27] <DL1SGP1> hehe
[11:27] <Upu> can't even see it on the waterfall and getting partials :)
[11:28] <Babs_> Morning everyone - some Sunday aluminium and carbon fibre action http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/
[11:29] <GMT> impressive .. what is it?
[11:29] <Upu> that looks like an entry to robot wars Babs_
[11:30] <Babs_> its the cradle for the active gimbal camera balloonn thingy
[11:30] <Upu> looks wonderful
[11:30] <Babs_> cheers Upu - there are a lot of bolts in there
[11:31] <Babs_> I think i may patent over engineering
[11:31] <Upu> Victorian levels there :)
[11:31] <GMT> have we ever had a steam-punk balloon?
[11:35] <fsphil> looks like something that should be in robot wars
[11:38] <fsphil> no launch from here today, going too far north: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=e1de195c491a86c210e75e843cd581de411853fc
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> What is the weight of the cradle Babs_ ?
[11:42] <Babs_> hang on a sec - let me go get the scales
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> What size do balloons go up to ?
[11:44] <Babs_> 384g, but the two motors on there are 200g of that
[11:44] <Babs_> so the bare cradle is 184g
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not bad!
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think KT5TK will have to get a Jet pack rather than trainers for the next flight!
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[11:59] <GMT> whoooa, just got a faint signal from B38 ...
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[12:05] <brainles71> morning
[12:05] <Herman-PB0AHX> yesssss i have green line Leo
[12:05] <LeoBodnar> cool Herman! relay works
[12:05] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes
[12:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> long time ago for me i hrd a ballon hihihihi
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[12:11] <Laurenceb_> lots of balloons all of a sudden :D
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[12:12] <Laurenceb_> Kt5TK-4 has a valve?
[12:12] <DL1SGP1> Laurenceb_: I do not think so, at least if I remember yesterdays comm correctly :)
[12:12] <Laurenceb_> its odd how it has descended a little
[12:13] <Herman-PB0AHX> line 69 and 70 red
[12:14] <DL1SGP1> (12:12:56 AM) Prometheus: KT5TK is that balloon valved?
[12:14] <DL1SGP1> (12:13:08 AM) Prometheus: Nice high float
[12:14] <DL1SGP1> (12:13:08 AM) KT5TK: No valve
[12:15] <Laurenceb_> how strange
[12:15] <LeoBodnar> gas cooled down
[12:15] <Upu> KT5TK is almost at sunrise so this should be interesting
[12:15] <LeoBodnar> latex cooled down too
[12:16] <Upu> wow its going down in Wales : http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Cardigan-worn-54-years/story-20550604-detail/story.html
[12:17] <LeoBodnar> In Soviet Russia cardigan wears you
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[12:28] <Upu> ok its ascending time
[12:29] <es5nhc> Looks like this will pass to my west...
[12:29] <es5nhc> this: SP3OSJ
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[12:42] <Upu> and off it goes
[12:42] <Upu> this is where KT5TK gets interesting
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[12:42] <LeoBodnar> rise and shine
[12:43] <Laurenceb_> oh doh
[12:43] <Laurenceb_> its still night there
[12:43] <Laurenceb_> no wonder its low
[12:43] <Upu> no its in the sun
[12:43] <Upu> its started rising
[12:43] <Laurenceb_> yeah sure
[12:43] <Laurenceb_> now it has
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[13:03] <gurgalof> fox hunting music video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbpUN7DXWPA
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[13:13] <YL3AJQ> Hi to every one! Who is catching SP3OSJ?
[13:13] <es5nhc> I am still out of footprint...
[13:14] <YL3AJQ> How often should be signals?
[13:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> what type of beacon, 430mhx?
[13:14] <bertrik> not much luck catching B-38 here (revspace, the hague, netherlands), even though solidly within the blue circle
[13:15] <g0hww> it was very weak here, even at its point of closest approach
[13:17] <Darkside> gurgalof: bahahaha
[13:17] <Darkside> gurgalof: thats excellent
[13:20] <Upu> YL3AJQ I think its continous
[13:20] <Upu> do auto configure in dl-fldigi
[13:21] <YL3AJQ> Upu yeah i know it
[13:21] <YL3AJQ> i`m mean, what is the period between telemetry signal?
[13:22] <Upu> not sure I would suspect its continious
[13:22] <YL3AJQ> ok
[13:22] <YL3AJQ> will try
[13:24] <es5nhc> We could use a few ears further west...
[13:24] <Upu> aprs is working on B-38 anyway
[13:24] <es5nhc> Unless that thing makes a sharp turn to NE
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[13:25] <YL3AJQ> Whe can only pray :)
[13:25] <es5nhc> So looks like B38 headed to Scandinavia too, eh?
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[13:26] <YL3AJQ> Finally, will be a chance for Scandinavia
[13:26] <jcoxon> Yay kt5tks is going north
[13:27] <x-f> YL3AJQ, sveiks! :)
[13:28] <es5nhc> I see there is an ear from Kaliningrad too
[13:28] <x-f> SP3OSJ prediction - http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/155507_trj001.gif
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[13:31] <x-f> B-38 - http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/155527_trj001.gif
[13:31] <YL3AJQ> Cau X-F
[13:31] <es5nhc> x-f, hearing anything??
[13:32] <YL3AJQ> YL3AIY just said to me that he can hear signal in KO27OH
[13:32] <YL3AJQ> I can not hear anything at the moment
[13:32] <x-f> got it on the waterfall
[13:33] <es5nhc> Of course, circles on tracker are just a rough guidance. Map projections etc ;)!!
[13:33] <Reb-SM3ULC> YL3AJQ: been waiting since ealry october..
[13:33] <x-f> still weak, though
[13:34] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: sp3 on whcih fq?
[13:34] <x-f> 437.700
[13:34] <x-f> it is almost continous, short gaps
[13:34] <Reb-SM3ULC> oki
[13:36] <es5nhc> Getting any decodes yet?
[13:37] <x-f> no greens yet, but it's getting better
[13:47] <es5nhc> Congrats x-fõ
[13:47] <es5nhc> *x-f
[13:47] <x-f> hehe, thanks
[13:49] <x-f> 291 km, -0.3 degrees
[13:51] <es5nhc> WTH with latest packet from KT5TK-4
[13:51] <daveake> KT5TK-4 says it's at 0m altitude
[13:51] <es5nhc> GPS loss in comment
[13:51] <daveake> kinda doubt that
[13:51] <es5nhc> Going to 0 that fast would be supersonic :D, whole Gulf Coast would be full of sonic boom reports
[13:51] <es5nhc> And normal again
[13:52] <Herman-PB0AHX> B38 very very weakly here lots of red lines sometimes green here
[13:57] <bertrik> Herman-PB0AHX: do you get it a bit below or above 434.5 MHz?
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[14:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> bertrik: a bit above
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[14:07] <PB0NER> qrm on 343500 ....
[14:07] <es5nhc> 343500?????
[14:07] <PB0NER> right 434500
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[14:08] <es5nhc> Dud KT5TK-4 burst?õ
[14:09] <es5nhc> Did*
[14:09] <es5nhc> Rate: -12,6 m/s
[14:09] <bertrik> yay, got one good B-38 decode while I wasn't looking :)
[14:09] <es5nhc> Nevermind re KT5TK-4
[14:10] <daveake> es5nhc No it's eomtimes sending junk GPS
[14:12] <es5nhc> ok
[14:16] <PB0NER> I just hear a little domx16 an then it drops out, I came in so probably missed a 'conversation'
[14:17] <x-f> hah, -0.0 degrees finally
[14:17] <PE2G> Signal is not strong and my yagi is blown off direction by strong wind gusts here
[14:18] <DL1SGP1> heel goedenmiddag PE2G, the TX power is a bit lower than Leo had planned :)
[14:18] <x-f> signal is helluva strong, i think it is more thank 10mW
[14:19] <PB0NER> I'm still on mu X5000, but I am actually making my rotor cables at the moment... my g5500 has arrived
[14:19] <es5nhc> Well, looks to be in the satellite band too rather than low power devices
[14:19] <DL1SGP1> nice tool PB0NER :)
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[14:20] <PB0NER> I designed a I2c/spi rotor controller for a Raspberry Pi too, PCB is close to be ordered
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[14:20] <LeoBodnar> what MB7UN is doing? http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=M0XER-8
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[14:21] <fsphil> hmm.. KT5KT may have survived sunrise
[14:21] <LeoBodnar> he is submitting packets with an hour delay
[14:21] <fsphil> *TK
[14:22] <PB0NER> will be hamlib/gs232 comptible
[14:22] <LeoBodnar> which nicely screws up aprs.fi
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[14:23] <es5nhc> who is transmitting w/ a delay??
[14:23] <fsphil> and now it's going backwards
[14:25] <LeoBodnar> either MB7UN or M0BPQ-3 transmit an hour old packets
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[14:25] <LeoBodnar> aprs.fi does not look at timestamps so it thinks the tracker has gone mad and disabled the updates
[14:26] <LeoBodnar> XXI century tech heh
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[14:27] <DL7AD> good afternoon!
[14:27] <fsphil> wonder if it's intentional
[14:28] <DutchMillbt> Good afternoon 2 DL7AD
[14:29] <DL7AD> :)
[14:29] <DutchMillbt> first green here
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[14:38] <PE2G> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/155883_trj001.gif
[14:38] Action: Reb-SM3ULC smiles at tracjectory
[14:38] <Reb-SM3ULC> überspeller
[14:44] <gurgalof> sweet, if I'm at home when it gets here I will hack together an 70cm antenna to a rtl-sdr...
[14:45] Action: x-f imagines Reb-SM3ULC doing Mr. Burns impersonation: "Ex-cellent!"
[14:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: oh, yes, come to papa.. come to papa.. :)
[14:47] <LeoBodnar> what the heck has just happened? http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=M0BPQ-3&limit=300&view=normal
[14:48] <Reb-SM3ULC> clock?
[14:51] <DL1SGP1> hmm
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[14:52] <KT5TK> Is there a world record category for the slowest horizontal movement?
[14:57] <DL1SGP1> heh KT5TK
[14:57] <DL7AD> are there some information about SP3OSJ?
[15:00] <x-f> DL7AD, 437.700, 100bd
[15:00] <x-f> i posted information about it and B-38 on Finnish HAM forum
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[15:08] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: empty waterfall here
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[15:10] <LeoBodnar> dry?
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[15:28] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: script for mail seem to work fine :)
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[15:42] <KT5TK> Looks like burst
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[15:43] <DL1SGP> indeed KT5TK sighs, it still was a cool erm, almost stationary-flight
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[15:46] <es5nhc> Report in ERAÜ forum. SP3OSJ heard in Pärnu w/ vertical antenna
[15:46] <oh2lna_> Should SP3OSJ be on 434.500 MHz or 437.700 MHz?
[15:48] <oh2lna_> spacenear.us says 434.500 MHz, but googling things around says 437.700 MHz.
[15:49] <x-f> oh2lna_, 437.700
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[15:50] <oh2lna_> ok, tnx.
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[15:53] <DL7AD> Reb-SM3ULC: im still doing it manually :P but dont care about. ;)
[15:54] <DL7AD> i sent mails to finland for SP3OSJ and denmark/sweden for B-38
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[16:01] <DL7AD> KT5TK s balloon is bursted :(
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[16:03] <es5nhc> x-f, where you can see distance and height above horizon?
[16:03] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: have alerted a few, but will wait until evening to send more
[16:04] <x-f> es5nhc, in dl-fldigi main window, once you successfully decode a string and have set your location in its settings
[16:04] <x-f> decoded*
[16:04] <x-f> es5nhc, got signal?
[16:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: how many swedes registered?
[16:06] <DL7AD> Reb-SM3ULC: 2 http://dl7ad.de/hab_contacts/user.php
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[16:07] <x-f> DL7AD, what does "off" mean?
[16:08] <DL7AD> x-f: the receiver did not respond by DL-FlDigi within the last 24h
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:08] <DL7AD> afternoon Lunar_Lander
[16:09] <chrisstubbs> yo LL
[16:09] <x-f> hi, LL
[16:09] <DL1SGP> Guten Abend Kevin
[16:09] <x-f> DL7AD, i see at least two stations that are on snus, but "off" on your map
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[16:10] <DL7AD> x-f: yep
[16:10] <es5nhc> no, I have not
[16:10] <x-f> :/
[16:10] <es5nhc> It is below horizon for me yetõ
[16:10] <x-f> Vostok, did you get the RTLSDR yet?
[16:10] <DL7AD> and i think its updated every 15minutes
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[16:16] <es5nhc> x-f, are you hearing the balloon spot on at 437.7 or nearby?
[16:16] <x-f> spot on
[16:17] <es5nhc> tnx
[16:17] <x-f> es5nhc, SP3OSJ is beeping between transmissions for 30 seconds
[16:17] <es5nhc> how long these beeps are?
[16:17] <x-f> and then two telemetry sentences
[16:17] <x-f> about half a second..?
[16:17] <x-f> i suspect intervals are longer now because of the sunset
[16:17] <es5nhc> ok... not hearing any beeping yet
[16:18] <x-f> you should see the RTTY when it's on, it is strong
[16:19] <x-f> looks like it is at its max elevation for me now - still just 0.8 degrees above horizon
[16:20] <es5nhc> Looks like I'll aquire LOS soon
[16:20] <x-f> and AOS :)
[16:20] <es5nhc> Ugh... Meant LOS as Line of Sight
[16:21] <x-f> i got it
[16:21] <es5nhc> AOS must be Aquisition of Signal?
[16:21] <x-f> yeah
[16:21] <x-f> nevermind
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[16:23] <Upu_M0UPU> bah
[16:24] <Upu_M0UPU> it bursted
[16:24] <es5nhc> what?
[16:24] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
[16:24] <Upu> KT5TK
[16:24] <KT5TK> Hi Upu
[16:24] <es5nhc> A, late reaction to that one
[16:25] <Upu> yeah been out
[16:25] <Upu> Hey Thomas
[16:25] <Upu> seems the Hwyoee's can't survive the morning rise any more
[16:25] <Upu> sadly
[16:25] <Upu> good effort though
[16:25] <KT5TK> Do more foil floaters...
[16:25] <Prometheus> well dang
[16:25] <fsphil> wonder what's changed
[16:25] <Upu> or home brew balloons
[16:26] <Prometheus> hummmm
[16:26] <fsphil> mine burst an hour after sunrise too
[16:26] <Upu> and mine
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[16:26] <Prometheus> Kt5TK you want to try a ZP?
[16:26] <fsphil> it's not even the ascent because they burst while floating again
[16:26] <KT5TK> ZP?
[16:27] <Upu> zero pressure
[16:27] <Prometheus> Zero Pressure
[16:27] <Upu> which actually should be super pressure I think ?
[16:27] <Upu> ZP are normal latex ?
[16:27] <Prometheus> I'll just give you one
[16:27] <fsphil> ZP's have an opening at the bottom
[16:27] <KT5TK> Ah, yes, but the commercial ones are expensive
[16:27] <fsphil> SPs are sealed
[16:28] <fsphil> a well designed SP could float for years
[16:28] <Prometheus> I've not tried floating one I've always cut-down
[16:29] <Prometheus> I make 80m ZP's
[16:29] <DL7AD> KT5TK 788.3km
[16:30] <KT5TK> A smaller ZP would be nicer for our purpose I guess
[16:30] <Upu> do you mean ZP Prometheus ?
[16:30] <Prometheus> Same amount of gas and payload as a 1200g latex
[16:30] <Upu> not like a pumpkin SP ?
[16:30] <fsphil> yea you can't make a small ZP
[16:31] <Upu> got a pic Prometheus ?
[16:31] <Prometheus> yeah
[16:31] <Prometheus> hang on a sec
[16:32] <Prometheus> I did an article on DIY Drones
[16:33] <Prometheus> Balloon making 101
[16:35] <Prometheus> Forgot I quit diy drones once and deleted all may articles
[16:36] <Prometheus> :(
[16:36] <Upu> I'll be interested in the balloon makingone
[16:37] <Prometheus> I can write a new article
[16:37] <Upu> pls :)
[16:37] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk
[16:37] <Prometheus> The balloon photo's are on the shop computer and I'm not out there right now
[16:38] <Upu> no rush
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[16:42] <Prometheus> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151362315271224.524071.213171526223&type=1
[16:42] <Prometheus> here's some on FB
[16:43] <Prometheus> I'm going out to work on MC later and I'll post some 80m balloon photo's
[16:44] <Prometheus> 80 cubic meter
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[16:48] <Prometheus> there's an old prototype on the FB page too
[16:49] <Prometheus> I did some interesting experiments dusting them with graphite
[16:50] <PE2G> B-38's freq is going up and down, now on 434.497.5
[16:50] <Prometheus> A tetroon is easier to make
[16:53] <jededu> Does anybody use BMP085 sensors
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[16:54] <DL1SGP> bedankt PE2G
[16:54] <PE2G> DL1SGP: It's now generally dropping with 400 Hz/min
[16:54] <es5nhc> haven't heard anything so far
[16:54] <es5nhc> on 437.700
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[16:55] <KT5TK> jededu: Yes I use BMP085 and BMP180
[16:56] <jededu> do they survive outside the payload
[16:56] <Prometheus> they are sensitive ti heat and sunlight
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[16:56] <PE2G> B-38 on 434.495
[16:56] <KT5TK> Yes, no problem
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[16:56] <jededu> cool thx
[16:57] <Prometheus> most baros are sensitive to sunlight
[16:57] <Prometheus> directly on the sensor
[16:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Object Movie for the KT5TK-4 flight http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/KT5TK_2014206/index.php?ind=1
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> As are most bare silicon sensors
[16:58] <jededu> Ill hide it in a short tube
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[16:58] <KT5TK> They seem to have a low temperature limit at -38 C or so. Then the data will become erroreous
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> easy enough to heat it.
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[16:59] <KT5TK> Tnx Geoff
[16:59] <jededu> Good to know the back should
[17:00] <jededu> be warm enough i hope
[17:01] <Jari> GE, does anyone has settings for SP3OSJ. RTTY 100 baud, but what else?
[17:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> nps, if you want the files for your own site just shout
[17:02] <Prometheus> Wow that is cool Geoff
[17:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Fun with GE that's all, and some other software ;-)
[17:02] <DL1SGP> Jari, have you tried the magic "Auto Configure" button on dl-fldigi?
[17:03] <es5nhc> Must be having too big noise level. None heard on 437.700 here
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[17:07] <jededu> What about the DHT22
[17:07] <Prometheus> KT5TK did you run a prediction on your last flight?
[17:07] <Jari> DL1SGP where that setting is? All I see ( yet) is for DSP
[17:08] <Prometheus> I was wondering if it showed your balloon going farther north?
[17:08] <sa6bss> Looks like I have to climb the roof and mount my yagi and lna as b38 closing in :)
[17:09] <DL1SGP> ah no worries Jari, what are you using for listening?
[17:09] <Prometheus> if b38 on aprs?
[17:09] <Prometheus> is?
[17:09] <fsphil> it is
[17:09] <DL1SGP> indeed, good evening fsphil
[17:09] <Prometheus> callsign?
[17:10] <fsphil> M0XER-8
[17:10] <Prometheus> ty
[17:10] <fsphil> howdy DL1SGP
[17:11] <DL1SGP> tiem to prepare dinner :) bbl
[17:11] <Jari> DL1SGP I have fl-digi 3.21.50
[17:11] <fsphil> mmm good thinking
[17:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> OT http://www.flickr.com/photos/gingercoo/12410656243/
[17:12] <Babs_> anyone ever tried to mill down a multi layer circuit board with a dremel ?
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> Mill down why
[17:12] <Babs_> just wondering how much potential there is for the different copper layers to run into each other/wafting bits of copper
[17:12] <DL1SGP> Could somebody tell Jari about dl-fldigi and so on please? Else my family will kill me for hunger :)
[17:12] <Babs_> it doesn't fit in my gimbal by about 1mm
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> Babs_: sure - you can cut it
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> Babs_: as long as you check for 'smears' at the edge that's not an issue
[17:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Usually created by gluing boards together so no chance of that!
[17:13] <x-f> es5nhc, tried tuning up and down a bit?
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> In general - the very edges of boards are often cuttable
[17:13] <Babs_> thats what i figured, thanks SpedEvil. I just need my jewellers glass thingy i think to examine it
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> Consider also cutting the gimbal
[17:13] <x-f> Jari, you need dl-fldigi - http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2MP-USB-digital-microscope-loupe-magnifier-webcam-endoscope-with-Metal-stand-UK-/191001311232?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Equipment_ET&hash=item2c7890b800
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> I strongly recommend
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> You can see inside vias!
[17:14] <x-f> Jari, this too - http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> It can blow up one SOIC leg to full-screen.
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> And lets you solder under it at more reasonable magnifications.
[17:15] <Prometheus> Hey is B38 a foiler
[17:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Most of Leo's are see http://leobodnar.com/balloons/
[17:20] <Jari> Thanks guys. I need to update my fl-digi, that may help. Thanks of tips
[17:21] <PE2G> B-38's freq is now more or less stable on 434.494.5
[17:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> You need DL-fldigi
[17:21] <x-f> DL stands for distributed listener
[17:22] <es5nhc> x-f, nowhere near vicinity
[17:22] <x-f> :/
[17:23] <es5nhc> wait a sec
[17:23] <es5nhc> Trace on waterfall!
[17:24] <x-f> :)
[17:24] <Prometheus> thanks again Geoff
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[17:28] <Jari> Update my software and now it got good copy of the balloon. Thanks
[17:30] <es5nhc> Anyone else noticing the carriers are pretty wide on SP3OSJ?
[17:30] <es5nhc> Now could audibly hear!!!
[17:31] <es5nhc> And also the two-tone blips in between
[17:32] <x-f> yeah, its signal is not so clean as others
[17:32] <x-f> Jari, where are you?
[17:32] <es5nhc> And the beeps are alternating two tones, right?
[17:33] <es5nhc> short blip at higher freq and then lower
[17:33] <x-f> i don't have the sound, i'm 50km away from my receiver :)
[17:34] <es5nhc> ok
[17:36] <x-f> Finland joins in tracking!
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[17:38] <Jari> x-f ;o)
[17:38] <Jari> x-f I'm here.
[17:38] <Jari> KP20MF, Helsinki
[17:38] <es5nhc> $$6Y85,q76\,58.460129,23.074701508
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[17:41] <x-f> Jari, oh nice, had to google to connect your name with the callsign :)
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[17:50] <Jari> z-f I log in here so urgently, so I just use my name.
[17:54] <es5nhc> Woohoo
[18:00] <es5nhc> $$sP3OSJ,291<,175850,58.614681,23.332529,513,-9,9,761.76,1.47,0.00*225
[18:02] <x-f> so close
[18:04] <es5nhc> Couldn't help but notice that the bird flew almost directly over ES8TJM's neighborhood
[18:05] <es5nhc> Bird = SP3OSJ
[18:09] <es5nhc> $$SP3OSJ,2938,180816,58.677689,23.431730,5112,-9,11,771.47,1.47,0.00*1C5F
[18:11] <KT5TK> This doesn't represent my political opinion, but... http://imgur.com/6TVhILw
[18:11] <Upu> lol
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> LOL!
[18:11] <es5nhc> Hmm... Fldigi says: Uploaded payload_telemetry succesfully, but I am not seeing my callsign amongst receivers... still some misdecodes in??
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> usually takes a few minutes
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[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> IIRC
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[18:12] <es5nhc> Well, I am on the map, but was not listed as listening to SP3OSJ
[18:13] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:13] <es5nhc> Or outdated dl-fldigi? The one I use on the computer that does the decoding is 3.21.50
[18:14] <jcoxon> es5nhc, look here
[18:14] <jcoxon> http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[18:15] <jcoxon> see if you are getting data through to the server
[18:16] <es5nhc> Ah yeah, I see.. the copy wasn't good enough
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[18:25] <es5nhc> wooohoo
[18:25] <es5nhc> First accepted packet
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[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> es5nhc, yay!
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello to Latvia YL3GV
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:47] <YL3GV> Hello!
[18:56] <sa6bss> b38
[18:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> sa6bss: gokväll
[18:58] <sa6bss> Tjena! Läget?
[18:59] <Reb-SM3ULC> sa6bss: vevat igång mottager i väntan på ballong!
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[19:00] <sa6bss> ser ut att bli sent innan innom räckvidd
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[19:12] <sa6bss> somebody wake up Denmark :)
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[19:14] <DL1SGP> ping PE2G pse quick info b4 my connection dies again, current qrg of B-38
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> hej Reb-SM3ULC sa6bss
[19:15] <PE2G> 434.495.3
[19:15] <sa6bss> hey
[19:15] <DL1SGP> bedankt jou well!
[19:15] <PE2G> Gerne gemacht!
[19:15] <DL1SGP> :)
[19:18] <Prometheus> Here's an article on balloon making http://spacefellowship.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=9919&sid=4425cc646f6cf8d3ee9ea692c7802558
[19:19] <Prometheus> I'm going out and I'll post the newer stuff and some photo's of the 80m balloons
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[19:20] <es5nhc> OK, been fun but I'll have to wake up tomorrow, so I'll close up the station soon. I see Finns have it covered.
[19:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: hello. awaiting hte b-38 here :)
[19:21] <sa6bss> look like SP3OSJ is running for a Arctic challenge attempt
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> XD http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-4-2014/who-froze-jade-rabbit-
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[19:36] <es5nhc> Okay, closed up the shop. Thanks for the reception opportunity! And good luck!
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[19:45] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: "This video only plays in the united states"
[19:45] <es5nhc> Which country are you at, fsphil?
[19:45] <fsphil> and possibly germany
[19:45] <fsphil> UK
[19:45] <es5nhc> Here in ES, The Daily Show and Colbert Report videos play fine
[19:46] <es5nhc> ES - Estonia
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> here in germany as well
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, that is strange
[19:48] <es5nhc> BTW - Looks like SP3OSJ will pass smack dab over Tallinn... I hope Tallinn Lennart Meri International Airport has been warned
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[19:49] <es5nhc> ;)... Right now good time for ES1's to get out their rigs :D
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[19:54] <DL1SGP> hej brian!
[19:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[19:56] <DL1SGP> looks like you get to listen to B-38 in a while my friend :)
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[19:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes i got an email from Sven earlyer
[19:57] <DL1SGP> hehe
[19:57] <DL1SGP> else all going good there? snow gone?
[19:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes pretty much, only a few small patches left, gone tomorrow i would think.
[19:59] <DL1SGP> woot
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[20:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats the tx table for B-38?
[20:01] <DL1SGP> I wish I could tell :) do not expect it to be as strong as the other Bs, that is something I can tell you :)
[20:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh ok
[20:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G Hi, is it weak?
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[20:04] <DL7AD> OZ1SKY_Brian: hi brian. dont forget to switch the mode...... its contestia and that wont be be configure by autoconfigure
[20:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DL7AD Hi, yes i know, it goes to domx mode when you autoconfigure
[20:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and thanks for the email Sven
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[20:10] <DL7AD> np OZ1SKY_Brian
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[20:21] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: Sorry for the late reply. Yes, it's weak.
[20:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok thanks
[20:23] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: It's on 434.495.3 cursor 1620 Hz
[20:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks
[20:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nothing yet
[20:26] <PE2G> data just now
[20:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> still 30-40km outside the ring
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[20:28] <PE2G> My distance to B-38 is 165 km, elev 2.2 deg and I barely see the pips on the waterfall
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[20:30] <PE2G> http://s9.postimg.org/5vjpcl967/Screen1322.jpg
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[20:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes that looks pretty weak
[20:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its moving pretty slow
[20:33] <PE2G> Yeah. Freq 434.496.0 now
[20:34] <PE2G> Cursor 1680
[20:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OZ1HYG in south Denmark hears it, but he´s not setup to decode
[20:35] <PE2G> data now
[20:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nothing here
[20:36] <PE2G> 2 red lines here, It think I'm losing it
[20:36] <PE2G> *I think
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[20:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hope i can take over soon
[20:44] <PE2G> At least it's moving in your direction :)
[20:45] <PE2G> $$B-38,287,204241,140209,53!9072,6.09,8417,7,-57,1.2*B085
[20:45] <PE2G> $$B-38,288,204450,140209,53.9157,6.4104,8424,8,-57,1.2*1E9C
[20:45] <PE2G> 1 red and 1 green
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> hoi PE2G
[20:47] <PE2G> Hallo Lunar_Lander
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> heb je een mooie avond?
[20:47] <PE2G> Ja ziemlich :)
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> :) yay!
[20:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G still 434.496?
[20:48] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: Yes
[20:48] <PE2G> Cursor 1250 Hz
[20:49] <PE2G> data now
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[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> definately need to buy a better antenna
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> I think
[20:52] <PE2G> Lunar_Lander: Do you have a place to put it?
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> hmm
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> would have to take a look around here
[20:53] <PE2G> Antenna on a tripod on a flat roof?
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> ah we got an inclined roof
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[21:21] <aadamson> does anyone know of or have reference for a rtl with preamp in some form that could be plugged into a beaglebone black or rPi (probably not enough horsepower), to create a self contained websdr or remote data gatherer for the 433 stuff you all use in EU?
[21:21] <aadamson> I'm just wondering how small it can be and self contained such that It could be *remoted* to repeater or other sites here in the US
[21:22] <aadamson> also wondering if anyone has thought of a fl-digi to aprs gateway as that might make it easier to come up with a network of devices over here.
[21:22] <aadamson> the aprs guys over hear are a hard core bunch and so if you make it in their interest maybe we could grow some legs for a us type network of 433 ssb stuf
[21:22] <aadamson> *just thinking outloud, but figured I'd ask*
[21:24] <mclane> rpi might be a little lightweight for websdr stuff
[21:24] <aadamson> yeah, thinking maybe bbb would be better
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[21:25] <mclane> otherwise I recommend the funcube dongle instead of the rtl
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[21:25] <aadamson> yeah agreed, I have both and much prefer the fcd, but to some extent this *may* work if the price were right
[21:26] <craag> You still need someone to control each receiver
[21:26] <craag> Where aprs has the advantage of being 'hands-off' tracking
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[21:26] <mclane> for the rtl dongles, you may need a preamp with some front-end filter
[21:26] <edjuh> good$day
[21:26] <aadamson> mclane, and you wouldn't for the fcd?
[21:27] <edjuh> What is the freq for B38 ?
[21:27] <mclane> fcd may be good enough stand-alone
[21:27] <aadamson> is the frequency change issue one of temperature, it certianly can't be doppler?
[21:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> edjuh 434.496 was last reported
[21:27] <mclane> it already has front-end filters
[21:28] <craag> aadamson: temperature.
[21:28] <aadamson> yeah figured hence upu's version with tcxo, etc
[21:28] <mclane> recommended preamp: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=72_73&product_id=99
[21:28] <craag> There is a java app that auto-tracks the rtty in an audio bandwidth, but it's a bit beta
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[21:29] <craag> aadamson: Yeah, you still need to line dl-fldigi up
[21:29] <craag> And run it on another pc. It doesn't cope very well on bbb/pi
[21:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hearing it weak 434.495.5
[21:29] <aadamson> is there a version for linux?
[21:29] <aadamson> I didn't know that
[21:29] <craag> aadamson: Yeah, it can be compiled for win/linux/osx
[21:30] <aadamson> ok.
[21:30] <craag> maybe even bsd :P
[21:30] <mclane> and for reception with dongles use gqrx
[21:30] <mclane> on linux
[21:30] <edjuh> OZ1SKY_Brian: tnx Will try here in JO22HI
[21:30] <aadamson> darn, I'm just thinking outloud to see if there is anyway to create a network here that doesn't use FM and it's required power budget, and could be deployed easily, and be effective
[21:31] <aadamson> maybe it's too much to make happen, I just don't know
[21:31] <craag> APRS doesn't need large amounts of power
[21:31] <craag> Leo does it with 15mw
[21:31] <aadamson> yeah I know it can be done, the biggest barrier here is 144mhz
[21:32] <mfa298> having a set of websdr's is probably the best option, the rtty/dominoex is a bit more handson than aprs
[21:32] <craag> The two big advantages to ukhas-rtty in my opinion are that it's license-free, and that you get a telemetry update every 20 seconds or so, rather than every few minutes.
[21:32] <aadamson> yeah that's kinda what I'm thinking as well, I guess I'll have to break out a BBB and see if I can make a websdr with it and my fcd
[21:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-38 434.495.0 @1420Hz
[21:33] <craag> aadamson: Have you seen our websdr here?
[21:33] <aadamson> no?
[21:34] <craag> websdr.suws.org.uk
[21:34] <craag> note: It needs java :/
[21:34] <aadamson> oh, yeah, I used it to listen to upu's last flight
[21:34] <craag> But does the 70cm, and works rather well for balloons
[21:34] <craag> oh cool
[21:34] <aadamson> sorry I thought you ment what the hardware looked like :)
[21:34] <craag> Ah, it's a core2duo pc
[21:35] <craag> The 3x 2MHz bandwidth uses a lot of cpu
[21:35] <aadamson> hmm... you know that atom boards that run on 12v are getting really cheap
[21:35] <aadamson> my allstar and irlp are both running them
[21:35] <craag> about 50% usage just for the band waterfalls
[21:35] <craag> Yeah I have one, not powerful enough for all the bands we wanted to run
[21:36] <craag> We're looking for a more powerful PC so we can add 10GHz on
[21:36] <aadamson> if this were to work, it could be just *band* dedicated as they would be in remote locations without great flexiblity for antennas
[21:36] <craag> Yeah, for you an atom board would work well
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> hi craag
[21:36] <craag> Evening Lunar_Lander
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[21:37] <mfa298> aadamson: it may also be worth looking at http://www.mike-stirling.com/redmine/projects/webradio but it's still a work in progress.
[21:37] <aadamson> maybe I'll see if I can get websdr running on my allstar server as a test, just because it's setting here
[21:37] <craag> YOu could use an rtl-sdr, but then the drifting of the RX also could become an issue
[21:37] <aadamson> thanks for that link, I had found that yesterday and lost the link :)
[21:37] <craag> (you'll see our websdr move up and down from day/night)
[21:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G yeah it is very weak
[21:38] <craag> np :)
[21:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G signal gone again and im inside the ring now
[21:38] <craag> I'm glad people still find it useful, even with the extra steps oracle has helpfully added to get it working!
[21:38] <craag> grrr
[21:39] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: OK, you'll be in business soon :)
[21:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G vy weak in again
[21:39] <PE2G> Freq is drifting down
[21:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its abit drifty
[21:40] <mfa298> oracle could use the tag line "taking other peoples good software and making it crap"
[21:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
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[21:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G $$B-38,314,21455;,J40209,54.2098,6.7097,9460,9,-57I1.18*0FD9?XT5,5MPW4,?$L3=3MO="$',
[21:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> allmost
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[21:47] <PE2G> Almost there. Distance is 200 km and still greens here
[21:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: could also be.. "buying companies makeing good stuff and making it crap"...
[21:48] <Maxell> PE2G: how much elevation for you?
[21:48] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: have a coule of suns at work, still paying support for hardware... last time something broke. no respons at all from oracle...
[21:48] <Maxell> I have the 11 elemtents 70cm yagi here but way too late for the party it seems
[21:48] <PE2G> Maxell: 1.4 deg
[21:49] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: so.. scrapping sun... sadly..
[21:49] <Maxell> oh, not very likly for me to pick it up?
[21:49] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: I'm suspecting they're not going to sell many copies of Solaris 11
[21:49] <PE2G> Maxell: It's much weaker than previous Bs
[21:51] <PE2G> http://s28.postimg.org/69nd705od/Screen1324.jpg
[21:52] <Maxell> oh, I will clean up again here :o
[21:52] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: a bit strange how they destroy the company
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[21:56] <OH7HJ-1> GE! Anyone know QRG of SP3OSJ balloon?
[21:58] <sa6bss> 437.700
[21:58] <OH7HJ-1> + 1000 Hz I guess? Any drift at the moment?
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[22:01] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:03] <jcoxon> SP3OSJ could win the arctic challenge
[22:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G got it
[22:05] <PE2G> Nice, congrats :)
[22:05] <PE2G> I'm losing it
[22:05] <PE2G> $$B-38,321,220238,140209,54.292,6.7851,8447,7,-58,1.17*6CIA
[22:05] <PE2G> $$B-38,322,22$447,140209,54.3026,6.7938,8439,6,-5601.18*5,DE
[22:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G Contestia is a good weak mode, but its missing a vital part, AFC
[22:08] <PE2G> Agreed
[22:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its pretty useless unattended
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[22:10] <Laurenceb_> how long should B-38 last?
[22:10] <craag> jcoxon: He's still got to get someone to track it up there
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[22:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> No solar panels on B-38?
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[22:15] <sa6bss> not according to flightdoc only aaa batt
[22:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok, its allready down to 1.16V
[22:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wonder how low it will go
[22:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Doesn't the RSID use AFC to align the frequency before the Contestia starts ?
[22:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i mean AFC on the RX, in fldigi
[22:18] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: No data on solar power
[22:18] <PE2G> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/6f3521839fb0bd2c417c522a3808a56b#g/battery
[22:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> That's what I mean I thought the RSID code before the main transmission selected the mode and aligned the AFC ..
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[22:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but if it drifts, there is no AFC to keep it in
[22:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have you tried turning RxID on and selecting all modes in the ID config ?
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[22:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no i havent tryed that
[22:22] <PE2G> Me neither
[22:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm not certain but I thought last time I used it it was correcting the freq. as SDR-RADIO was changing its frequency as its controlled by dl-fldigi itself
[22:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> But I maybe wrong!
[22:23] <jcoxon> yeah you need to go into config
[22:23] <jcoxon> it'll make life easier
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[22:25] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: how long with B-38 battery last?
[22:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> Finland is lighting up nicely
[22:27] <Maxell> yeah, RxID does align
[22:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> :-)
[22:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Using RxID on all the modes seems a very good idea as ones like Thor etc. would also follow drift making it so much easier!
[22:30] <PE2G> RxID is working indeed but now I'm getting out of range. Should have used this before!
[22:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> So far Leo is the only one to have included RSID ahead of the Tx, I think we need to ask the others to add the code!
[22:32] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE, its not the easist to do i think
[22:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> It does need a very small freq shift I know ;-)
[22:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> but its only a fixed string to send
[22:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> rxid does not seem to work very well here
[22:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tryed to mistune the waterfall and it didnt get a good decode
[22:34] <Upu> evening
[22:34] <Adam_> Hello all, i'm Adam. I'm very interested in undertaking a HAB flight come the summer, is anyone planning any flights that I could come along to in the near future?
[22:34] <Upu> WHere abouts are you Adam_ ?
[22:34] <Adam_> I'm in Oxford
[22:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have you got the the "Detector scans entire passband" ticked ?
[22:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[22:34] <Upu> OT but daveake on Top Gear : http://i.imgur.com/s9SpGC4.jpg
[22:35] <Upu> you shouldn't have an issue Adam_
[22:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cool :-)
[22:36] <jcoxon> daveake!
[22:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> OZ1SKY_Brian, and the lower two tick boxes unchecked in the config ?
[22:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[22:37] <Upu> APRS is working OZ1SKY_Brian
[22:37] <Upu> so I can switch to that if you have any issues
[22:37] <Upu> its not a strong signal at all
[22:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> What passband do you have ?
[22:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu its fine when i do manual tune, but the AFC or auto tune is not working too well
[22:37] <Upu> turned RXID on ?
[22:38] <Upu> SP3OSJ going for the Arctic Challenge ? :)
[22:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu yes
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[22:38] <Upu> usually ok with it on
[22:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> maybe not on weak signals
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[22:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just wondering how much processor time it needs if a wide bandwidth ?
[22:39] <Upu> I was struggling with it
[22:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just 2.5KHz BW here
[22:39] <Upu> battery is looking dodgy
[22:39] <Upu> must be the cold
[22:39] <Upu> is it an AA or an AAA LeoBodnar ?
[22:41] <sa6bss> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/llup2s0btgbjqkc/vpnfIU0KwT
[22:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I think the flight doc said AAA
[22:42] <sa6bss> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/b38.JPG
[22:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Heard the rxid and data, but no decode
[22:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> do i need to change the bandwith ?
[22:43] <Upu> I'd set it to the full bandwidth
[22:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> I normally run with less the 2k5 but I would have thught that wasn't exessive.
[22:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i mean in fldigi, no on the radio
[22:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> if its even possible in that mode
[22:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> No I think its fixed as the mode is 8/1000
[22:46] <sa6bss> custom 8/2000
[22:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok did a manual tune now, so lets see the next tx
[22:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> perfect decode
[22:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> should the cursor jump to the center freq, when rsid is turned on?
[22:50] <Upu> yes
[22:50] <Upu> but you also need to enable it in the options
[22:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok, it does not
[22:50] <Upu> Dl-client -> Options
[22:51] <Upu> err Configure
[22:51] <Upu> ID tab
[22:51] <Upu> Check Detector searches entire passband
[22:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes that was on
[22:52] <Upu> not sure then
[22:52] <Upu> I'll switch the APRS importer on
[22:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just got data, but red and curcor didnt move. signal was ok
[22:52] <Upu> if you upload it will superceed that until next TX
[22:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> You do have the little Green light on RxID top right corner ?
[22:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Geoff-G8DHE ahh
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[22:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> didnt see that
[22:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> :-)
[22:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> That turns the whole RxID on/off
[22:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> well it is now
[22:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dooh
[22:53] <Upu> :)
[22:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its not obvious especially with the different RSID/RxID
[22:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok lets see on next tx
[22:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes i moved now, but no decode
[22:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> seems it was abit slow to mode
[22:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the cursor
[22:58] <Upu> APRS importer is on
[22:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu cant it run both aprs and uploads ?
[22:58] <Laurenceb_> is spacenear working properly yet?
[22:58] <Upu> yeah but if APRS presents a newer position it will replace the dl-fldigi one
[22:58] <Laurenceb_> the non mobile version
[22:58] <Upu> yeah google fixed it
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[22:58] <Upu> seems slower though
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[22:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> upu sure it should allways show the latest one, but what if my upload is the latest one?
[22:59] <Upu> yours will show
[22:59] <Laurenceb_> ah good
[22:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu ok, didnt we had a problem with that during B-37?
[23:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-30 i mean
[23:00] <Upu> I can upload as a seperate payload
[23:00] <Upu> but it gets messy
[23:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no, if it allways showes the latest packet, regardless of upload,that should be fine
[23:01] <Upu> should do
[23:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> can´t aprs should the voltage etc and the rx station?
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[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOZtWZ56lc
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[23:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> should=show
[23:05] <steve_2e0vet> Is it possible to get a mains relay for arduino if so can anyone suggest one
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[23:07] <Upu> yes steve_2e0vet
[23:07] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=461
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[23:09] <Upu> right night all
[23:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> There are several 1-8 relays on a board I just used a 4 relay one on my rotators
[23:10] <sa6bss> gn, going to bed as well
[23:11] <sa6bss> will monitor tomorow morning as it should be right over my head.
[23:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sa6bss if it will last that long
[23:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its at 1.103V now
[23:13] <sa6bss> it defrost in the morning, they allways do :)
[23:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lets hope so :)
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[23:13] <sa6bss> I´m sure, it will be up to 1.3v,
[23:14] <sa6bss> last baloons comming this way have crashed in denmark so thats more worring!
[23:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but be aware, its pretty weak
[23:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
[23:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> steve_2e0vet, Try this search http://tinyurl.com/nynanuu
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[23:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the predicted track is pretty off
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[23:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn
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