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[06:37] <VK4HIA> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cRgBPqpJmA
[06:37] <VK4HIA> Saturdays Launch
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[10:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/navspark-arduino-compatible-with-gps-gnss-receiver - somewhat interesting
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[10:20] <SpeedEvil> SiGe 4150 + venus chipset + code running on venus chipset
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[10:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/emospark-first-a-i-home-console 'Anyone want any toast' ?
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[11:08] <Darkside> anyway, im hoping we'll have a binary FEC'd MFSK mode ready for testing soon
[11:08] <Darkside> i'v got an uncodd 'proof of concept' system ging
[11:08] <Darkside> going*
[11:10] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: you could probably implement MFSK fairly easily
[11:10] <Darkside> its basically THOR without the incremental frequency shift keying
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[11:11] <Darkside> maybe a diffrent varicode, im not sure
[11:11] <Darkside> im not 100% sure on the theory, but MFSK16 should have a slight performance advantage over a THOR signal of the same bitrate
[11:11] <LeoBodnar> does it not use pulse shaping for sync?
[11:11] <Darkside> nope
[11:11] <Darkside> MFSK is constant amplitud
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[11:12] <Darkside> MFSK16/32 that is
[11:12] <LeoBodnar> ah, just absolute freqs like in olivia ad unlike domino
[11:13] <Darkside> yeah
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[11:13] <Darkside> if the whol differential vs non-differential mode theory holds, it shoudl have a 3dB performance increase over THOR
[11:13] <Darkside> but thats only true if the symbol tracking/decoding is implemented optimally
[11:13] <LeoBodnar> yeas as you are not sending differences but rather tones themselves
[11:13] <Darkside> yup
[11:13] <LeoBodnar> olivia seems ok so MFSK should be ok too
[11:13] <Darkside> im not 100% sure, but its vry possible the difference between a THOR and MFSK16 modulator is one line of code
[11:13] <LeoBodnar> * a bit bored
[11:13] <Darkside> you just remove the (2+symbol)%18
[11:14] <Darkside> or whatever it is
[11:14] <LeoBodnar> varicode table and differential encoding
[11:14] <Darkside> well i think the varicode is the same as in MFSK16
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[11:14] <LeoBodnar> is it?
[11:14] <Darkside> not 100% on that
[11:14] <LeoBodnar> my memory is hazy
[11:15] <Darkside> A binary varicode with ASCII-256 user interface (same as MFSK16) is used
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[11:18] <Darkside> yeah according to ZL1BPU's page it uses the same
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[11:18] <LeoBodnar> MFSK is a really variable length while Domino is three symbols max http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/DominoEX%20Varicode%20Table.pdf http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/Varicode.htm
[11:18] <Darkside> yeah domino is
[11:18] <Darkside> but THOR isnt
[11:18] <LeoBodnar> Oh, balls, I have confused FECed DominoEX with THOR lol
[11:19] <Darkside> yeah, forget about dominoEX
[11:19] <LeoBodnar> done
[11:19] <LeoBodnar> it's so 2013
[11:19] <Darkside> lol
[11:19] <Darkside> anyway, the plan is to basically tear out the varicode part of THOR and put a binary packet framing format in its place
[11:19] <Darkside> because the MFSK varicode is inefficient and irrelevant to our needs
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[11:26] <Darkside> for higher reliability, we need to move away from human readability and take advantage of the FEC systems available to us
[11:26] <LeoBodnar> yeah with all the funny charsets
[11:26] <Darkside> and at the same time we can improv efficiency a considerable amount
[11:26] <Darkside> by going to a packet binary format
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[11:26] <Darkside> that should be 'packed' binary format
[11:26] <LeoBodnar> inb4 another binary format discussion
[11:26] <LeoBodnar> lol
[11:26] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: we've settled on a packet framing format at least
[11:26] <LeoBodnar> oh, that's a good start
[11:26] <Darkside> we're leaving the payload up in the air for the moment
[11:26] <Darkside> though i'm sure we'll settle on a 'standard' format
[11:26] <Darkside> but theres no reason habitat cant be modified to allow people to specify a custom payload format
[11:27] <Darkside> its the same idea as how habitat works right now, with custom fields
[11:27] <LeoBodnar> ah, ok
[11:27] <LeoBodnar> is it variable number of tones or 16MFSK?
[11:27] <Darkside> this is one layer above that
[11:27] <LeoBodnar> ok
[11:27] <Darkside> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fwUtzFUhTzwjHrbfUayRG5sM_3TzdPlPgWjwXnY8fsU/edit?usp=sharing
[11:27] <Darkside> this is just how we make sense out of bits
[11:27] <Darkside> the packet format doesnt care how thos bits are transmitted
[11:27] <LeoBodnar> heh 0xABCD is "1"-heavy
[11:28] <Darkside> well
[11:28] <Darkside> by the time it goes through FEC that wont matter so much
[11:28] <LeoBodnar> without whitening
[11:28] <LeoBodnar> ok
[11:28] <Darkside> if it becoms a problm we could add whitening
[11:28] <Darkside> that is on advantage THOR has over MFSK16 - no repeated tons
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[11:28] <Darkside> the MFSK16 decoder will very likely fall ovr if you have a llong sequence of repeated tons
[11:28] <Darkside> tones*
[11:28] <Darkside> my demodulator falls over after 4 repeated tones >_>
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[11:33] <LeoBodnar> yeah, it does not know where in the band they are
[11:33] <Darkside> not so much that
[11:33] <Darkside> its more it loses symbol timing
[11:33] <LeoBodnar> oh
[11:33] <Darkside> however
[11:33] <Darkside> i think i know how i can make mine hold on
[11:33] <Darkside> should be relatively trivial to make mine flywheel actually
[11:33] <Darkside> anyway, on MFSK16 you can see the interleaver filling up and gtting flushed on the waterfall :P
[11:33] <Darkside> you can see it on THOR too actually
[11:33] <Darkside> that initial 'diagonal' tone sequence is the interleavr filling up
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[11:36] <LeoBodnar> so it can't sync from the first packet?
[11:36] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: how do you man?
[11:36] <Darkside> mean*
[11:36] <LeoBodnar> if you key transmitter and start transmitting immediately
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[11:37] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: when you start transmitting, th einterleaver is full of 0's
[11:37] <Darkside> then data starts being pushed through it
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[11:39] <LeoBodnar> so it is not block based system?
[11:39] <Darkside> nope
[11:39] <LeoBodnar> ok
[11:39] <Darkside> MFSK, THOR, and a bunch of the other chat modes use a continuous interleaver
[11:39] <LeoBodnar> I wondered why THOR prints chars so smoothly
[11:39] <Darkside> go read up on the IZ8BLY diagonal interleaver
[11:39] <Darkside> http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/Interleaver.htm
[11:39] <LeoBodnar> it's tempting to make packets routable
[11:39] <LeoBodnar> or at least embed sender address in them
[11:40] <LeoBodnar> does world need another packet format?
[11:40] <Darkside> feel free, you have N bytes to do it >_>
[11:40] <Darkside> lol
[11:40] <LeoBodnar> heh
[11:40] <Darkside> do what you want in the payload
[11:41] <LeoBodnar> it would makes sense to pick up a packet format that is roughly suitable
[11:41] <Darkside> your mention of block interleaving is a good on though
[11:41] <Darkside> one*
[11:41] <LeoBodnar> you don't need to write the spec, just hyperlink it
[11:41] <Darkside> as the diagonal interleaver is a bit inefficient if you want to send just one packet
[11:43] <Darkside> especially if you want a longer interleaving time
[11:43] <Darkside> you have to fill then flush the interleaver
[11:43] <Darkside> and that adds overhead
[11:43] <LeoBodnar> that's what I meant
[11:43] <LeoBodnar> you can't go on air, send quickly and go off
[11:43] <Darkside> i do plan on investigating a block interleaver for this
[11:43] <LeoBodnar> if there is very little data to send
[11:43] <LeoBodnar> I thin Olivia/Contestia can do like 4 bytes and be off
[11:43] <Darkside> if you have prior knowledge of the payload size, you can fix the interleaver size
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[11:43] <LeoBodnar> Olivia is longer of course
[11:44] <Darkside> yeah its like a 5 character long interleaver
[11:44] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[11:44] <Darkside> but yes, somethign similar could be done
[11:44] <Darkside> but i'd like the ability to extend the interleaving time out considerably
[11:44] <Darkside> as i want to use this on HF
[11:44] <Darkside> and on HF, interleaving is the only thing that saves you
[11:44] <LeoBodnar> yea no reason why not
[11:44] <Darkside> anyway, i'm working on it :-)
[11:44] <LeoBodnar> sure, seconds worth of dropouts
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[11:45] <Darkside> i have a serious use-case for this packet format
[11:45] <Darkside> which funnily enough, overlaps with HAB
[11:45] <Darkside> same kind of data really
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[11:45] <Darkside> as in, regular, self-contained packts
[11:45] <Darkside> no large chunks of data to be transmitted
[11:46] <LeoBodnar> right so there is no mechanism to get around sync bytes in payload?
[11:46] <LeoBodnar> this is fundamental
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[11:47] <Darkside> not in the packt framing
[11:47] <LeoBodnar> hmm
[11:47] <Darkside> you hav to know where the packet starts somehow
[11:47] <LeoBodnar> can this not be embedded onto a lower level?
[11:48] <Darkside> possibly, but i dont want to tie the layers too closely together
[11:48] <LeoBodnar> ah, so it can be used down to plain RTTY?
[11:48] <Darkside> yeah
[11:48] <Darkside> or whatever modem you want really
[11:48] <Darkside> as long as you can break into the decoder and obtain a bitstream
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[11:49] <Darkside> (or write your own, like i'm doing)
[11:53] <LeoBodnar> I am meditating on CDMA system with reverse GPS
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[14:18] <Maxell> lol freenode
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[14:19] <mfa298> 123 nicks in the channel
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[14:35] <Oddstr13> it's actually a quite common name
[14:35] <Oddstr13> in Norway anyway
[14:35] <fsphil> I met a Mr.Irish once. He was English.
[14:36] <Oddstr13> hehe
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[15:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> If its using 2G4 then all the other rubbish is probably blocking it !
[15:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh I see now its on 433MHz - so who is transmitting nearby!
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> I suppose that might be it.
[15:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've been trying to get hold of 868MHz temperature units for my heating system but they only do 433MHz ones - I point out I use 433MHz for other purposes :-(
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[15:40] <LeoBodnar> wtf? http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Build-a-Jet-Engine/
[15:40] Nick change: pb1dft_ -> pb1dft
[15:40] <mattbrejza> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InvF9e5kyjo LeoBodnar
[15:41] <Oddstr13> SpeedEvil: i have used the 1W LED for graphing power consumption :P
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> If Colin Furze is a meaningful example of how to do what you're doing properly - you should probably stop doing it.
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> Oddstr13: of what?
[15:41] <Oddstr13> the mains supply
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> you mean shine it on the meter disk?
[15:42] <Oddstr13> nah, it was a meter that had a LED that blinked once per Watt
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> ah
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> I've got one of those now, I cheated.
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[15:43] <Oddstr13> unfortunatly, this house has the old style mechanical meter
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> mencoder tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0:width=160:height=120:outfmt=y8:fps=10 -vf format=y8,crop=1:1:75:33,harddup -nosound -o test.raw -of rawvideo -ovc raw
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> Take a v4l camera - now extract out one pixel, and resample it 10 frames per second.
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> Output a bitstream with 10 nice samples of brightness per second.
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> Feed to your favourite scripting language.
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> Will work fine with a disk meter - if you add a LED
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[15:47] <SpeedEvil> And yes - I know - the 'right' way is with a photodiode, and ...
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> If you can get the pointing right - you can do 1/100th of a disk resolution easy
[15:51] <LeoBodnar> photodiode -> audiocard
[15:52] Action: Laurenceb_ is considering making some SLS nylon pneumatics
[15:52] <Laurenceb_> im wondering how porous it is
[15:52] <Laurenceb_> anyone used it?
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[15:52] <Oddstr13> SpeedEvil: interesting idea.. tho, quite more expensive on the hardware side :P
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> Oddstr13: Well - yes and no
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> You mean you don't have a crappy webcam you don't use anymore?
[15:54] <Oddstr13> a blinking LED just requires a light sensitive resistor, a few caps, resistors and a arduino(or simmilar)
[15:54] <Oddstr13> oh, i do have a webcam. however, it also requires a computer to be located right next to the fuse box
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> But if you've got the server already up and running - even if it's a Pi - with the above you basically get all of the integration free
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[15:55] <SpeedEvil> My meter box is inside - which made it rather easier
[15:55] <Oddstr13> i do have servers, and i do have a Pi
[15:55] <Oddstr13> but, none of which is located close to the meter box
[15:55] <Oddstr13> that is, not in the same room
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[15:56] <Oddstr13> the entire electrical in this house needs to be redone.
[15:57] <Oddstr13> grounding is non-existant in most of the outlets
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> I'm about to actually get my DC bus up and running.
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> ~20-30V battery backed bus for core baseline loads.
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> With 500W of solar connected to it - and dump resistors to go to heating.
[15:58] <mattbrejza> you could ask your energy provider if they wouldbt mind sending you a cheap wirless energy meter
[15:58] <Oddstr13> do want
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> Just designed a nice little 555 based shunt reg
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> Trying to work out how to make a 24V 1R resistor cheap
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[15:59] <SpeedEvil> Ideally waterproof
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> I have some stainless shim - which is looking promising.
[15:59] <Oddstr13> also, i want wind power :P
[15:59] <Oddstr13> it has kinda been blowing constantly here the last month
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[16:00] <Oddstr13> today is actually rather wind free it seems tho
[16:01] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: how strong is this stuff structurally?
[16:02] <Laurenceb_> ~45MPa tensile
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[16:02] <Laurenceb_> weaker than nylon 66
[16:02] <Laurenceb_> its nylon 12
[16:03] <LeoBodnar> 45MPa after prnting?
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[16:03] <Laurenceb_> yes
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[16:04] <SpeedEvil> Ultimate fail presumably
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> usable will liekly be rather lower unless you can deal with a lot of stretch
[16:05] <Laurenceb_> yes
[16:05] <Laurenceb_> but its the porosity that worries me
[16:05] <LeoBodnar> I can see how machining can leave more stress than printing
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: you can fairly easily fill that I guess.
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: 0th order - impregnate in silicone.
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> yeah, i was wondering if anyone had used the material, that all
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[16:11] <Laurenceb_> http://www.solidconcepts.com/materials/sls-materials/
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[16:11] <Laurenceb_> interesting that glass filled is weaker but stiffer
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[16:15] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: what's Si4467?
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[17:01] <Laurenceb_> 434/868mhz with spi interface
[17:01] <nats`> Laurenceb_ there is certainly a MCU inside it
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> i doubt that
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> it will have a little digital logic
[17:01] <nats`> for what we saw at work he calculate the filter value himself and some other stuff
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[17:06] <LeoBodnar> Si4460 has an 8051 inside
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[17:09] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[17:10] <LeoBodnar> So CC1020 probably has one as well knowing TI
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[17:11] <LeoBodnar> The question is whether one can run the code on it
[17:12] <LeoBodnar> * on CC1020
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[17:34] <nats`> see ya later boyz ! :)
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[17:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm is there a problem with irc.freenode.net DNS ?
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> Freenode is broken today
[17:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> sure looks like it!
[17:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> I notice the laptop wasn't happy earlier
[17:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> ping craag
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[17:50] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: pong
[17:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right just looking for that version of dl-fldigi that talked to PSTRotaor ?
[17:51] <craag> It's no dl-fldigi
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[17:51] <craag> It's a seperate program that queries habitat
[17:52] <craag> https://www.philcrump.co.uk/Habrotate
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh right! It was a while back now can it be downloaded ?
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> right Shall go take a look
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes I've found that PSTRotator does already talk with SDR-RADIO as well :-)
[17:52] <craag> Hasn't been updated in a while, I don't have the kit to use it myself so let me know if there's any issues.
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[17:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK will do!
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[18:10] <LeoBodnar> laters!
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[18:34] <fsphil> freenode finally settled down?
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[18:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't think so can't get a DNS result on the normal client :-(
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> It's just been working for me all day
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[18:44] <adwiens_KC0WYS_> same
[18:44] <adwiens_KC0WYS_> just with a ton of churn with people dropping and reconnecting
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> Maybe I haven't actually gotten disconnected
[18:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Connecting to "irc.freenode.net:6667" (Attempt 18 of 110) [18:31] *** Resolving host name [18:31] *** Could not resolve host name [18:31] *** Disconnected (2014-02-03 18:31:03) [18:31] *** Connect attempt 18 of 110 failed, delaying retry for 300 seconds (Click "Disconnect" to cancel)
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> yeah - no disconnects. I'm on port 7000 though
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> as I'm on sasl
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[18:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah some of the servers ah still in DNS however
[18:46] <fsphil> I was connected through ipv6+ssl .. I didn't get disconnected but the server I was on had about four other people
[18:46] <fsphil> and the next one I tried had even less
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[18:47] <mfa298> I think if you get onto one or two of the servers it's fairly stable. if you havn't got onto those servers yet you'll dropout from time to time
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[18:50] <Laurenceb_> http://vimeo.com/85620396
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[18:57] Action: SpeedEvil smacks the video author.
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> You're not George Lucas.
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[19:03] <fsphil> difficult to read it is
[19:05] <daveake> Sort of related https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/p526x296/1896768_10151929350547654_190271764_n.jpg
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[19:14] <Sytex> 'Evening all!
[19:14] <fsphil> yo
[19:15] <Sytex> Can someone help me about Dead reckoning / stand alone 2d/3d / differential 2d/3d / time only ?
[19:15] <Sytex> I cannot figure out what this means axaclty
[19:16] <Sytex> (GPS)
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[19:17] <fsphil> dead reckoning is where the current position is guessed based on the previous position and direction of travel
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[19:17] <fsphil> well, not guessed - estimated
[19:18] <Sytex> so it calculates of last know position bearing and speed?
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> yes
[19:19] <fsphil> at a minimum yea
[19:21] <Sytex> and differential / stand alone? I figured out, when i got fix then it is stand alone (G3) but when it looses fix it goes to differential (D3)
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[19:37] <Sytex> I found an article about differential mode, which is based on some ground deployed DGPS transmitters. But is this mode accurate?
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> Nothing is accurate.
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> Does it improve on accuracy of non-dgps - yes, often.
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[19:41] <Sytex> Than it is normal: I put my receiver out of my window. I turn on, it fixes to satellites it goes in G3 mode for 10-20 secs, then it changes to D3 and never switches back to G3?
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> Dunno.
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> Revievers vary
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> use the normal terms, not codes.
[19:43] <Sytex> Sorry I cannot understand the last sentence of you... how do you mean it?
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> 'G3' or whatever has no meaning. It's specific to a reciever.
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[19:44] <Sytex> Sorry, G3 is 'stand alone 3D' and D3 is 'differential 3D' (from datasheet)
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> If it can't pick up differential signals - it'll drop back to unassisted
[19:45] <Sytex> So, differential is better than 'stand alone' ? Thanks
[19:46] <jededu> Im trying to find a cheap dongle for rtl-sdr with the RTL2832U chipset the only ones I can fid are in china does anybody know of one that works and is available in the uk
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> Sytex: for balloons, you don't care. It's maybe 1-2m vs 4-5
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> jededu: you mean orderable from a UK source?
[19:48] <Sytex> SpeedEvil: okay, thanks
[19:48] <jededu> I can order from amazon but its 7-21 days I am trying to find somone that stocks them over here
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[19:50] <jededu> I have ordered a funcube for my own use but i need 6 more for the school gets a little expensive
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:59] <Sytex> hi
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[20:01] <jededu> Found this looks ok https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=282
[20:01] <mfa298> jededu: a few people here have got them from cosycave
[20:02] <mfa298> costs a bit more than china but you get them quicker
[20:02] <jededu> Thats the one thanks
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> evening S_Mark
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[20:06] <S_Mark> hi Lunar_Lander
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:08] <S_Mark> good thanks, training this week
[20:08] <S_Mark> so no work
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
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[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> I have the fun to find replacement components for retired parts
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[20:18] <ibanezmatt13> chrisstubbs, I think what we're going to do is cut a big channel in the box behind and slightly around the cam. We want to keep it inside the box so it doens't get damaged by rain, but we're gonna see if having a channel for whatever air there is on the way up to pass through makes a difference. The main aim anyway is to test the NORB board; cam is a surplus feature
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs and ibanezmatt13
[20:19] <ibanezmatt13> Hey Lunar_Lander :)
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:19] <ibanezmatt13> aside from camera issues, quite good actually :)
[20:19] <ibanezmatt13> yourself?
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[20:21] <ibanezmatt13> Also, if CHDK offered some way to take a video, then take a photo, etc, that would be an option I'd be very interested in. Though I haven't seen much about this without having to adjust the mode wheel on the top.
[20:23] <fsphil> someone did do this, but I can't remember who or how. sorry
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> I am fine, I am just out of components
[20:23] <fsphil> but it's definitly possible
[20:23] <Upu> you can make chkd do video
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> I want to build a capacitor tester and find that the transistors used are not made
[20:23] <Upu> Rob did it
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> so I have to see what to use instead
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> *anymore
[20:24] <ibanezmatt13> making it do video is fine Upu, it's mixing and matching. Might have just found something though: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/UBASIC/Scripts:_OMNI_Intervalometer
[20:24] <Upu> yeah you can do 30s of video
[20:24] <Upu> a few pics
[20:24] <ibanezmatt13> sounds perfect. Perhaps this link above will do the same sort of thing. I'll have a look
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> evening phil and anthony
[20:28] <ibanezmatt13> ah, I think the "click" command might be the solution. It seems to be used to change mode from stills to vid
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[20:41] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13 can you do "shoot" to take a still?
[20:41] <chrisstubbs> not sure if it can do that in video mode
[20:42] <ibanezmatt13> Just finishing off a self made script Chris. If I set it to auto, I'm hoping "shoot" will take a still, and "press video" "delay 1000" and "release video" should do my video execution
[20:42] <ibanezmatt13> b
[20:42] <chrisstubbs> Cool :)
[20:43] <ibanezmatt13> Based on some ideas from an omni intervalometer script on the CHDK Wiki, though I'm not sure. Will report back in two mins
[20:43] <chrisstubbs> Sotty i didnt get back to your email but it sounds like they didnt deisgn those cameras to be wrapped up in foam!
[20:43] <chrisstubbs> *sorry
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb: there is a suggestion that older hardware used to find one satellite, download full almanac and then used that to locate visible satellites instead of searching for them exhaustively.
[20:44] <Laurenceb> ah, interesting
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> when initialised from new or with loss of time/position
[20:44] <ibanezmatt13> yep, certainly does. No probs anyway, we're just gonna make some sort of air channel and we'll test it outside. 5 degrees down here surely is not far off -40 with little convection up there, though should be fine. Like I say, video is a surplus really :)
[20:45] <LeoBodnar> I remember manuals that warned that cold start may take 10-15 minutes.
[20:46] <chrisstubbs> (other) Matt was having simalar problems with his gopro overheating. Made some air channels and added a few stick on heatsinks and it worked okay
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> if power was uninterrupted then almanac data was kept fresh and used for faster lock
[20:47] <db_g6gzh> I have an old Garmin (with a scanning receiver - one SAT at a time) that takes ages for a cold start
[20:47] <ibanezmatt13> chrisstubbs, that's pretty much what we're gonna do. Should be fine really
[20:48] <LeoBodnar> Magellan, Trimble, Navman, Skymap, they were all slow
[20:49] <ibanezmatt13> chrisstubbs, perfection achieved! A one minute video followed by a minute worth of shots every 12 seconds followed by another video, etc. :D
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: _very_ old recievers just had one channel
[20:49] <db_g6gzh> I've been quite surprised how quickly the Rockwell Jupiter I have in tha car gets a fix
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: they literally couldn't recieve multiple sats at once - during aquisition or whenever
[20:49] <Sytex> What is the usual method if a payload losts gps fix during flight? Transmit the last known position until it fixes again, or stop transmitting?
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Sytex: last known with time, and 'error' flag
[20:50] <Sytex> thx
[20:50] Action: Sytex is coding...
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> I assume that meant "receive NAV message from one satellite"?
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Maybe back off on the send frequency too - if on battery
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: yes
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> k
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: there was one channel - and it was timesliced over all sats
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> So you couldn't do - much better than 12.5 min cold
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> that all falls into place
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> I suspect if you optimise for fast lock, you probably could get a fair bit faster - with lots of coding
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> but...
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> then you run into code space issues too
[20:53] <aadamson> All, I decided to whip this little ditty up to save on wiring hell while debugging on an STM etc... it's a 20 pin to 10 pin (with 6 pin SWD connector) to mate to a stlink v2 to a micro 10 pin cortexm debug connector
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> (speaking of 1986 say)
[20:53] <aadamson> I also brought over the 6pin header so you could just use a discovery to get to the 10 pin if you wanted
[20:53] <aadamson> https://github.com/akadamson/CortexM-20-Pin-Adapter
[20:53] <aadamson> looks like thus - https://github.com/akadamson/CortexM-20-Pin-Adapter
[20:53] <aadamson> opps
[20:54] <aadamson> thus - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/cortex-conn.png
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[21:00] <ibanezmatt13> is there any sample NMEA data to look at on the East side of the prime meridian for the UK?
[21:00] <ibanezmatt13> Around Cambridge way I guess
[21:01] <ibanezmatt13> I'd just like to run some sample data through my lat/lon conversion functions to make sure the meridian won't affect it
[21:02] <db_g6gzh> I can probably find a log from my car if you're not bothered about altitude
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[21:02] <ibanezmatt13> altitude not a problem, though if its any trouble, I'm sure I can find something on Google
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[21:04] <ibanezmatt13> I'll just get a few positions off Google maps and make sure its in the same form as NMEA
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[21:05] <SpeedEvil> There was some test data on the wiki
[21:05] <DL1SGP> good evening folks
[21:05] <ibanezmatt13> oh really? I'll check it out. Hey Felix
[21:05] <DL1SGP> yo matt :)
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:06] <db_g6gzh> ibanezmatt13: http://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/gps_20131030T185340
[21:06] <ibanezmatt13> thanks! :)
[21:07] <DL1SGP> Nabend Kevin
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:common_coding_errors_payload_testing
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> err
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah - tht
[21:09] <db_g6gzh> seems to be a trip to Tesco!
[21:10] Action: DL1SGP misses his trips to tesco
[21:10] <db_g6gzh> It's not that exciting 8-)
[21:11] <DL1SGP> well it supplied food :P but true we mostly went to Lidl :P
[21:12] <db_g6gzh> Yeah, Lidl is cheaper and has some good stuff.
[21:12] <DL1SGP> though I got my primary screen at tesco, adn am still using it over here in Germany
[21:13] <DL1SGP> IMHO Tesco has better bacon then Lidl
[21:13] <DL1SGP> good for lousiana style baked beans :P
[21:13] <db_g6gzh> Ah, bacon, that's back on topic.
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> you mean Tesco sells food as well?! http://www.tesco.com/direct/quaternion-and-clifford-fourier-transforms-and-wavelets/R4Z-8ML6.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=R4Z-8ML6
[21:14] <db_g6gzh> Not a cheap book
[21:14] <DL1SGP> well Leo, the stuff is packed like food, looks like food, and almost tastes like it, I am not always sure about the rest, but still less evil than some products found in that store starting in A and ending in A
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[21:18] <DL1SGP> will there be a HAB conference sometime this year? I strongly consider visiting the UK again and would in case of a conference happening arrange it with travel plans if possible
[21:18] <Upu> let me know
[21:18] <Upu> I try work it round people
[21:18] <Upu> mainly american's and aussies mind :)
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[21:19] <DL1SGP> yeah, kind offer Upu but I am unsure right now as there is some job related development going on and travel strongly would relate to the position I get in
[21:19] <DL1SGP> but tahnks for the kind offer :D
[21:19] <Upu> it ill be around September again
[21:19] <DL1SGP> that is beneficial for the good WX :D
[21:20] <DL1SGP> arko needs his yearly rain amount covered during the HAB conference
[21:20] <db_g6gzh> you should have seen the rain the day before
[21:20] Action: db_g6gzh got soaked at the observatory
[21:21] <DL1SGP> good thing about ardio-astronomy, the scopes have no gap in the dome to give you visual glance at the sky :)
[21:22] <Reb-SM3ULC> :)
[21:22] <DL1SGP> God Kvell Reb-SM3ULC
[21:27] <Reb-SM3ULC> God kväll!
[21:28] <DL1SGP> I did not have the ae character handy :D
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:28] <db_g6gzh> Surely you have a German keyboard? 8-)
[21:28] <Reb-SM3ULC> Emailed the swedish authorities today to get some clarification about the stupid launch-rules.
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> hmm http://s.gullipics.com/image/y/o/u/5yve9d-k3wa7m-q1x9/cmc.png
[21:29] <db_g6gzh> I have to hit 3 keys to get ä
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> RN2205 and A1048 aren't made anymore :(
[21:29] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: close enough :)
[21:29] <DL1SGP> no db_g6gzh I am using a EN_UK keyboard layout (purchased in UK)
[21:30] <DL1SGP> even a british mouse but it has gotten used to being driven on the right
[21:30] <db_g6gzh> haha, I'm using an en_US despite being in UK
[21:30] <LeoBodnar> lol there are tonnes of digital transistors around
[21:30] <DL1SGP> using en_us on several boxes here as well
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[21:31] <db_g6gzh> I bought my first PC in Danmark and never got used to UK layout
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, yea just take a similar one I suppose?
[21:32] <LeoBodnar> Lunar_Lander: Q2-Q5 are not critical, almost any PNP transistor would work if you are willing to have external base resistor
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[21:33] <LeoBodnar> do you have PCB made?
[21:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> You can do a google search on2sa1048 equivalent and it will find them for you
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> no, at least not yet
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[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Geoff-G8DHE
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[21:34] <LeoBodnar> is it PTH or SMT design?
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> well, I wanted to protoboard it anyway, so PTH
[21:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any of these in the long list below http://tinyurl.com/jvqvr24
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[21:36] <LeoBodnar> Q2..Q5 can be almost any suitable transistor with external base resistor of few kOhms
[21:37] <db_g6gzh> OC 71 can still be had in small quantities for $9.95 8-)
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[21:38] <LeoBodnar> Q1 seems to be just a low leakage transistor
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Geoff-G8DHE
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> so any PNP of similar specs for Q2-5
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[21:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> May need a bt nore Ic than the Q1 just looking for it currently
[21:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> *bit
[21:40] <LeoBodnar> looks like it's job is to make charging x1000 times faster for higher value caps
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[21:40] <LeoBodnar> *its
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[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> found it here http://elm-chan.org/works/cmc/report.html
[21:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah just spotted the RN2205 has built in resistors
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[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> Geoff-G8DHE, yea
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[21:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> here we are http://www.allxref.com/kec/kra105m.htm
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[21:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> or a DTA123JS
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[21:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> but you could make the same circuit up adding your own resistors, just makes for a smaller package
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> and it's PNP due to the display being common anode?
[21:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup
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[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> you can find array transistors if you do enough searching with 4 or more in the same package for just this roll
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[21:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/183490.pdf
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> thank you
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> so it's about the collector current
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> I suppose, that should be defined by the 680 Ohm resistors and the 3.3V from the shift register
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[21:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Check out what the LED's need to drive and any PNP transistor that can handle that Ic will do it then just choose Rb for the amount of drive to saturate
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> that should be important for having the freedom to choose the 7-segment display I suppose
[21:56] <db_g6gzh> Looks like 5V, not 3V3
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> but he has the 74HC4094 in there
[21:57] <LeoBodnar> Hahaha wut?! "The calculations verify that: (1) federal rules increase collision course probabilities by about four times more than for a chaotic system of aircraft cruising at randomly selected altitudes, (2) risk is directly proportional to the level of compliance," http://www.geocities.ws/rpatlovany/JournalManuscript.htm
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> wait, db_g6gzh I think I got my mistake
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> he uses that as multiplex it seems
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> I once used that thing for level shifting a 5V system to a 3.3V SD card
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> so, 5 V it is
[21:58] <LeoBodnar> " risk is directly proportional to the level of compliance" we are doomed
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhhh
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[22:00] <db_g6gzh> Yeah Lunar_Lander the 4094 is multiplexing the segments and Q2-Q5 the digit
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> so we have to look at 5V
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[22:02] <db_g6gzh> LeoBodnar: I've always wondered about that. Have you ever heard David Gunson's "What goes up might come down" after dinner speech ?
[22:03] <LeoBodnar> No, do you have a link?
[22:03] <db_g6gzh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KbUNzi58wM is probably OK
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> 200 ohms
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> good
[22:07] <LeoBodnar> cheers
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[22:11] <db_g6gzh> LeoBodnar: 7:10 is the relevant bit but it's all good listening
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: Tesco is the only supermarket I know with an actual API.
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[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, low leakage you said for the other transistor?
[22:58] <LeoBodnar> well when it is closed it should not significantly affect charging via 3M3 resistor
[22:59] <LeoBodnar> It could as well be an ordinary transistor that is requierd
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> I am just checking similar models
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> wondering if Gain h and frequency are important
[23:00] <LeoBodnar> Gain but freq is not, it is probably DC
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> it is just working by charging the cap under test
[23:00] <LeoBodnar> gain is should be high enough for it to saturate
[23:00] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:01] <LeoBodnar> *is belongs to the different sentence
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> the toshiba had h of 70 to 400
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:01] <LeoBodnar> sounds reasonable
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> I suppose the voltage doesn't need to be as high as 50 V
[23:02] <LeoBodnar> it will be way into saturation region
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:03] <LeoBodnar> I don't know whether specific parameters are embedded in firmware or is it self-calibrating?
[23:04] <LeoBodnar> say saturation voltage etc
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> http://uk.farnell.com/multicomp/2n2905/transistor-pnp-to-39/dp/9207023
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> good question, I mean the code is all assembler
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[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> but he says on the website how to calibrate it
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. insert two capacitors of known value and hit the button, I suppose the EEPROM then saves a certain value it needs
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> as I get it from his text
[23:06] <LeoBodnar> then it is OK
[23:06] <LeoBodnar> i'd get it working and if it does not we'll try to figure out why
[23:07] <LeoBodnar> *assembled
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> and I think the transistor there is a bit OP
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> (overpowered :P)
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> don't need 3 W I suppose
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[23:25] <Lunar_Lander> thanks LeoBodnar
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