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[00:31] <Oddstr13> what, one can just take a 2-week break from IRC? o.o
[00:32] <Oddstr13> i didn't know that was possible! o.o
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[02:19] <kd2eat> I think Alan is stuck in some kind of time vortex.
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[02:52] <kd2eat> but thankfully the APRS beacons worked and we found the cat stuck in a tree 45 miles from launch. MAN was she pissed!
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[08:30] <daveake> decentconnectionles71
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[08:56] <fsphil> internet in australia is a bit sucky
[09:00] <cm13g09> fsphil: it is a bit isn't it....
[09:00] <cm13g09> (at least from what I hear!)
[09:00] <cm13g09> 'course, so is our business internet
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[09:16] <LeoBodnar> morning *
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[09:32] <nats`> hi
[09:37] <LeoBodnar> I just got Atmel newsletter, interesting entry is 3x3mm Cortex-M4 http://www.atmel.com/products/microcontrollers/ARM/sam-g.aspx?utm_campaign=January_2014_Newsletter.html&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua
[09:37] <LeoBodnar> BUt it is still Atmel :/
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[09:59] <SpeedEvil> What's wrong withatmel?
[10:01] <Darkside> SpeedEvil: LeoBodnar is a crazy PIC man
[10:01] <SpeedEvil> Well - microchip isn't really arm either
[10:02] <LeoBodnar> Datasheets, Artmel Studio, ANs, prouct life-cylce
[10:02] <SpeedEvil> ah
[10:02] <LeoBodnar> I am comparing against other ARM licensees
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[10:13] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: &utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua hmmm :)
[10:15] <LeoBodnar> what does this mean Maxell ? :)
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[10:20] <Maxell> You got the Atmel newletter in the email, and Eloqua did the spamming for Atmel.
[10:20] <Maxell> Eloqua "The only Modern Marketing solution with integrated marketing automation, content marketing, and social relationship marketing for enterprise B2B and B2C."
[10:21] <LeoBodnar> YOu can add this to the anti-Atmel list
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[12:54] <shinigami_____> What's the difference between a Totex and a Hwoyee balloon?
[12:55] <shinigami_____> .
[12:56] <adwiens_KC0WYS> just different manufacturers
[12:58] <shinigami_____> So does the Totex Balloon Burst estimator work for a Hwoyee balloon?
[12:58] <shinigami_____> The spreadsheet on teh ukhas website
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[12:59] <adwiens_KC0WYS> kaymont balloons are totex
[13:00] <adwiens_KC0WYS> kaymont is their distributor
[13:00] <UpuWork> Totex generally burst lower but more reliably than Hwoyee
[13:00] <UpuWork> Hwoyee can do some wonderful things but aren't quite as predictable
[13:00] <shinigami_____> Thanks guys
[13:02] <adwiens_KC0WYS> also check http://habhub.org/calc/
[13:03] <shinigami_____> Yes, I just found that. Much appreciated.
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[14:47] <Laurenceb> http://bib.irb.hr/datoteka/39128.p0767.PDF
[14:47] <Laurenceb> equations 8 to 11 are relevant
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[14:50] <x-f> http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2011/03/09
[14:50] <x-f> somewhat relevant
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[15:03] <LeoBodnar> who where what?
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[15:04] <kd2eat> Colonel Muster in the Library with a Desoldering braid
[15:04] <LeoBodnar> wow cool Laurenceb
[15:05] <LeoBodnar> I guess this needs reasonably long integration time and accurate TCXO
[15:05] <LeoBodnar> which can be calibrated via SBAS
[15:06] <Laurenceb> hmm...
[15:06] <Laurenceb> you could observe a GPS sat
[15:06] <Laurenceb> lolz
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[15:09] <LeoBodnar> heh
[15:13] <LeoBodnar> well you need 4 hours to track the doppler swing?
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[15:18] <Laurenceb> yeah, so impractical like that
[15:21] <LeoBodnar> still good to see old dog learning new tricks
[15:23] <LeoBodnar> btw run across this recently: http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-search/en?keywords=VA800A-SPI
[15:23] <LeoBodnar> 30mbps HS USB - SPI bridge
[15:23] <LeoBodnar> good enough for a GPS sampler
[15:24] <LeoBodnar> £12
[15:28] <Oddstr13> are there any tricks when it comes to finding the right settings for decoding rtty?
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[15:31] <Upu> sure Oddstr13
[15:31] <Upu> "whats the settings"
[15:31] <cuddykid> does anyone know of insurers who will cover launches for certain (regardless of price)?
[15:31] <Upu> "50 baud 7n2"
[15:33] <Oddstr13> Upu: well, i'm listening to shortwave, and found something that sounds like rtty :P
[15:33] <Upu> ah
[15:34] <Oddstr13> at ca. 11MHz
[15:34] <Upu> sorry I thought you were referring to HAB
[15:34] <mfa298> if it's an amateur band try one of the settings built into fldigi
[15:34] <Oddstr13> 450 carrier shift :P
[15:34] <Upu> yeah try the standard settings
[15:34] <mfa298> 450 shift sounds quite high for an amateur band rtty
[15:35] <Oddstr13> i should really set myself up fr streaming.
[15:35] <Oddstr13> for*
[15:35] <adamgreig> cuddykid: see the numeral threads in the group archives
[15:36] <cuddykid> adamgreig: had a brief look but no names came jumping out that covered for sure - some company in Texas looked promising but apparently don't cover anymore. Will have a more detailed look now
[15:37] <adamgreig> you are talking thousands in "price" and a chunk of time. much easier if you're also working with TV.
[15:38] <Oddstr13> anything else than rtty that uses two tones?
[15:47] <gonzo__> Lots
[15:47] <gonzo__> but inderneath they coudl be said to be pretty much rtty
[15:48] <gonzo__> even fax and hell could use two tones if they are sending only one bit grayscale
[15:50] <gonzo__> 170 and 450hz are common on ar bands. Even 850 was used, though thet tended to be AFSK
[15:51] <gonzo__> marine bandsuse 75bd rtty often, not sure what for though
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[16:03] <Oddstr13> http://satomi.openshell.no/tmp/rtty_capture_11MHz.wav 2min of it
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[16:26] <Oddstr13> ...do want SDR, AM ~14MHz is a concert of CW :P
[16:27] <mfa298> try changing from AM. USB or CW would be better
[16:27] <mfa298> 14.000 -> 14.100 is the data portion of the 20m AR band
[16:28] <Oddstr13> mfa298: it's a good old shortwave AM radio :P
[16:29] <Oddstr13> http://oddstr13.openshell.no/gallery/image/77/
[16:29] <adwiens_KC0WYS> kryptonite bike locks work pretty well to cut styrofoam
[16:29] <adwiens_KC0WYS> http://www.flickr.com/photos/70558118@N08/12238237926/
[16:29] <Oddstr13> how long are callsigns?
[16:32] <mfa298> usually 1 or 2 letters, a number or two, then 2-4 letters
[16:34] <Oddstr13> so, G0JHC could be a callsign? :P
[16:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> yUP, http://www.qrz.com/db/G0JHC
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[16:41] <Oddstr13> cool ^^
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[16:44] <Oddstr13> http://satomi.openshell.no/tmp/CW_concert_14MHz.wav :P
[16:45] <Oddstr13> let's just say that fldigi dosn't really like that mess :P
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[16:47] <mfa298> using AM to recieve it might not help things.
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[16:48] <Oddstr13> mfa298: hey, it's better than nothing :P
[16:50] <Oddstr13> i'm guessing i'm tuned to about 50 cw channels at the same time :P
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[16:51] <mfa298> you may also have odd issues as AM is normally carrier and 2 sidebands (upper and lower) but CW is just a carrier being turned on and off
[16:52] <mfa298> I'm slightly surprised it can even demodulate CW like that
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[17:16] <LeoBodnar> Is the consensus now that it is OK to tx HAB telemetry on 2m band?
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[17:16] <LeoBodnar> Poles seem to have embraced it
[17:17] <mfa298> in what way ?
[17:17] <mfa298> I think their license probably allows airborne TX of amateur traffic (which ours doesn't)
[17:20] <mfa298> just read the email, it might be Tom is working on the same principle as the americans (when outside of the US) that it was legal when they let it go and there's not much anyone can do about it now.
[17:21] <LeoBodnar> well it is unattended + broadcasting
[17:21] <Upu> outside of the UK Leo
[17:21] <LeoBodnar> it's broadcasting I am more worried about
[17:22] <LeoBodnar> Yes I assume outside UK/FR
[17:22] <daveake> It's a beacon isn't it?
[17:22] <daveake> So different to broadcasting
[17:22] <mfa298> I suspect it's one of those grey areas, it might not be explicity allowed but it's in the spirit of AR.
[17:23] <mfa298> would be interesting to ask for a NoV for a beacon that's not in a fixed location.
[17:23] <LeoBodnar> so general attitude it is ok then?
[17:23] <mfa298> (assuming poland have similar terms and procedures as us)
[17:24] <mfa298> probably as legal as them doing beacons on 70cm.
[17:24] <mfa298> we skip that whole bit by obviously not being AR - lots of their payloads seem to use AR callsigns
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[17:47] <nosebleedkt> yoz
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[18:31] <Laurenceb> attn LeoBodnar: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5934
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[18:44] <LeoBodnar> yeah I have seen this Laurenceb. Does it need a heatsink and a fan?
[18:45] <Laurenceb> almost...
[18:45] <Laurenceb> lolz
[18:45] <Laurenceb> also its barely faster than stm32f4 with asm fft library
[18:45] <Laurenceb> which is pretty funny
[18:46] <Laurenceb> i got trajectory/doppler fitting to work with simulated data
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[18:46] <Laurenceb> but it has to have higher order effects due to earth curvature present to work with rockoons
[18:47] <Laurenceb> so fails with really small stuff
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[18:55] <LeoBodnar> oh, nice
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[18:55] <LeoBodnar> did you generate the data yourself?
[18:56] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, an arctic challenger!
[18:56] <LeoBodnar> yeah, get ready to pay up
[18:56] <LeoBodnar> *and me too
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> I am very curious as to when the long flight foil season starts
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[18:59] <kd2eat> Leo, speaking of which, what site do you use to predict your pico flightpaths?
[18:59] <kd2eat> I'm using predict.habhub.org, and setting a burst altitude of like 15k meters, with a VERY slow descent.
[18:59] <kd2eat> Dunno if there's soemthing better.'
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> habhub for initial ascent and then NOAA for hourly updates
[19:00] <Upu> Hysplit http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajtype.pl
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> http://predict.habhub.org/
[19:00] <jdiez> quick question, how do you guys deal with interference? (i.e multiple devices on the 70cm band)
[19:00] <Upu> isobaric
[19:01] <LeoBodnar> kd2eat: burst altitude should be your expected float altitude
[19:03] <Hiena> I got a good news from the Hungarian National Transport Authority Aiation Office. This week i had a nice chat about the HAB operation with the Aviation Safety Department boss. They collect the legalisation issues for the ballons, also he told me they are aware the illegal flights. Seems, on the future, for the research flights will need a similar permissions as the metorology balloon flights, and they would be more than happy if the "hobby"
[19:03] <Hiena> flights will be coordinated and anounced to the flight control. That means, there will be a load of paperworks for the legal flights, and the idiots will countinue to endanger the flight traffic...
[19:03] <jcoxon> http://xkcd.com/1324/
[19:03] <jcoxon> hehe
[19:04] <kd2eat> Thanks Leo and Upu.
[19:05] <mfa298> jcoxon: lol, also is it bad that half the people here will understand the right hand side of that.
[19:05] <db_g6gzh> good old xkcd - I have a bit of catching up to do
[19:07] <mfa298> jdiez: generally by trying not to clash, most payloads use a very small amount of bandwidth so there's plenty of space
[19:07] <LeoBodnar> how's tricks jcoxon ?
[19:08] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, yeah not too bad
[19:09] <LeoBodnar> Any luck with ARISS HAB?
[19:09] <jcoxon> nothing done for a long time
[19:09] <jcoxon> been working on ukhasnet
[19:09] <LeoBodnar> ah, ok
[19:09] <db_g6gzh> jdiez: and having a distributed receiver network gives redundancy to help cope with non-HAB usage
[19:11] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb I have realised that by saving sum(I(k)*data(k)) and sum(Q(k)*data(k)) for each chip you push a lot of calculations outside of the sat and phase offset loops
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> *I am still fooling around with exhaustive search
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[19:13] <LeoBodnar> so you have outside loop by doppler and inside loops by sat and offset
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[19:14] <LeoBodnar> not sure if it benefits ifft approach
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[19:14] <mclane> jcoxon: what is ukhasnet?
[19:14] <db_g6gzh> I suspect that the power needed to access ARISS isn't really viable for a HAB payload
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[19:15] <x-f> mclane, http://ukhasnet.philcrump.co.uk/
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[19:15] <LeoBodnar> db_g6gzh: it's a strange dead end
[19:15] <x-f> simple mesh network on 868 MHz
[19:15] <mfa298> mclane: in it's current form rfm22b's sending packetised data with repeating data (similar idea to aprs)
[19:15] <mclane> interesting!
[19:16] <mfa298> although also looking at other radio modules (rfm69)
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> because this is digipeating system you need stations to pick up the rebroadcast. At the same time you don't want them to keep the chance of getting through high
[19:16] <db_g6gzh> LeoBodnar: if you listen to it there seem to be few packets on downlink so I suspect it mostly hears noise and collisions on uplink
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> So you get through - nobody is hearing you. Or you can't get through when you can be heard
[19:16] <x-f> it inspired me to wire[less]-up my house with sensors
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[19:17] <mfa298> x-f: are you doing it in the ukhasnet way (if you are you could upload packets and get pretty graphs)
[19:18] <mfa298> there's a channel for ukhasnet as well (#ukhasnet if you couldn't guess)
[19:19] <db_g6gzh> LeoBodnar: the "hidden node" problem was bad enough for terrestrial stations, I was involved in a full duplex 9k6 bit regenerating system so at least listeners could hear when the uplink was busy
[19:20] <x-f> mfa298, i almost am, but using the 434 MHz version for now (as i have a few of them), i will sort the upload soon
[19:21] <LeoBodnar> such a valuable resource, such a pointless use
[19:21] <LeoBodnar> something like GPS using CDMA would have worked wonders
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[19:21] <LeoBodnar> where everybody can transmit simultaneously on the same freq
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[19:22] <LeoBodnar> without need for syncing with others
[19:22] <mfa298> x-f: in terms of getting data into the central system that just needs data in the right format to be posted to a web server (doesn't matter if you're using a different band to the rest of us at this point). The aim is to get a node on a balloon at which point things might get more interesting.
[19:24] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb: full exhaustive search of 1 ms of data using sin/cos LO would take about 3 min on my coal fired PIC
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[19:24] <LeoBodnar> need longer ARMs
[19:24] <db_g6gzh> we also investigated a simple slotted reservation request system but most people didn't want to try it, so much for experimentation ...
[19:25] <LeoBodnar> TDMA?
[19:25] <db_g6gzh> sort of loose TDMA
[19:25] <LeoBodnar> time-slotted?
[19:25] <LeoBodnar> ok
[19:26] <db_g6gzh> the site allocated time periods based on requests which were initially random access during idle periods
[19:27] <db_g6gzh> so it adapted to number of users and amount of data
[19:27] <LeoBodnar> Ah, this is similar to BT LE strategy
[19:27] <LeoBodnar> good for power saving as well
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[19:29] <db_g6gzh> I'm not familiar with BT, and it was 20+ years ago we were playing with this anyway so my memory is a bit hazy.
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[19:30] <LeoBodnar> host and device agree a schedule and then wake up only at designated time +- clock drift (which they both announce to each other during initial contact)
[19:30] <LeoBodnar> this also includes frequency hopping
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> if client has no data it skips up to cretain pre-defined number of sessions
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[19:32] <LeoBodnar> if no contact has been established the host goes back to listening on a "calling" channel
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> my memory is a bit hazy as well, I have looked at it 2 years ago
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> this is BT LE, not mainstream one
[19:33] <db_g6gzh> sounds a bit like the energy economy in TETRA (and no doubt other digital radio systems)
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> yeah, probably patented few times over as well
[19:36] <db_g6gzh> probably, I always hated having to avoid infringing things we couldn't afford to license
[19:38] <db_g6gzh> anyway, food time now
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[19:39] <LeoBodnar> bon appetit
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[19:58] <ibanezmatt13> I have 18 L91 batteries. That's what you call preliminary testing... :)
[19:58] <ibanezmatt13> By my standards anyway
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[20:06] <daveake> That's what you call half an AmeriHAB power supply :p
[20:07] <arko> :')
[20:07] <daveake> present compay excepted :)
[20:07] <daveake> company
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[20:08] <natrium42> daveake: i want to change that
[20:08] <natrium42> building a micro tracker
[20:09] <kd2eat> Hey, now, I'd never launch a payload over a few dozen pounds!
[20:09] <ibanezmatt13> p:)
[20:10] <ibanezmatt13> My plan is to do two full runs of the camera, which takes two of them. So plenty for the flight electronics and radio
[20:10] <kd2eat> But those extra batteries sure would gaurantee that the relay tripping the giant pair of scissors for the cut-down mechanism would have enough juice!
[20:10] <natrium42> rofl
[20:10] <natrium42> everything is bigger in america
[20:11] <kd2eat> Well, after our first balloon failed to cut-down, the guy who is in charge of the cutdown mechanism says we'll be using the "Mark 80 cutdown system" - M80 for short.
[20:12] <kd2eat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-80_%28explosive%29
[20:12] <Maxell> nice 868 mhz ukhasmash network about to look into it
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[20:37] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: yo
[20:37] <LeoBodnar> yo-yo!
[20:37] <Laurenceb_> do you by any chance know how much acceleration/gravity affects TCXO frequency?
[20:38] <Laurenceb_> im wondering which side of the genius/insane fence my doppler fitting rockoon trajectory finder is
[20:38] <LeoBodnar> vibration does but gravity/acceleration does not to within 0.5ppm
[20:38] <Laurenceb_> hmm well I need +-5ppb
[20:38] <LeoBodnar> hah
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> allen variance says thats easy, and you can let the crystal warm up
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> but i wonder about acceleration effects
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> two reverse-mounted TCXOs then
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> heh
[20:40] <LeoBodnar> what temperatures do you expect?
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> my non tcxo stuff is about that stable when its warmed up
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> but its running of normal crystals
[20:40] <LeoBodnar> in lab condition?
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> yes
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> +-5ppb over 100seconds
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> temperature can be set before launch
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> and wax put over the tcxo
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> so im not concerned about temperature that much
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> if it has large thermal mass then I can see it working
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> what's rockoon g?
[20:42] <Laurenceb_> ~100g
[20:42] <LeoBodnar> I think it's doable the rest is enginering
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[20:43] <LeoBodnar> two reverse TCXOs with a mixer should do?
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> boom!
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> im not sure
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> that was my brain
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> the gravity effects at launch arent the issue
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> its if they cause a transient that then upsets the rest of the doppler data
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> but g will be pulling them in opposite directions
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> i.e. transient with exponential decay for example
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> well they are mechanical devices by definition
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> im getting +-80m apogee error on a 180Km flight recorded from 800Km away in simulation
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> with +-5ppb drift over 100s
[20:45] <LeoBodnar> integrating doppler?
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> no
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> just instantaneous and fminsearch in matlab
[20:45] <LeoBodnar> ah ok
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> the only way is to fire it up
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> or controlled deceleration test
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> get a big hammer
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> perhaps higher freq TCXOs are less affected by gs?
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> maybe, yeah
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[21:53] <vk4tec> ready for VK4HIA-11 launch
[21:56] <andy_vk3yt> Good luck!
[21:56] <fsphil> ooh nice
[21:56] <fsphil> what's going up?
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[21:57] <andy_vk3yt> Not sure fshil, expected 117k feet with rtty, aprs
[21:58] <fsphil> any images?
[21:59] <andy_vk3yt> vk34tec: Andrew, how big is the balloon?
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[21:59] <andy_vk3yt> fshil: don't think so, here is what Andrew vk4tec sent out:
[21:59] <andy_vk3yt> For those that are interested. Balloon launch tomorrow morning at 0830 EST from Dalby QLD. Trackable on www.spacenear.us and www.aprs.fi(VK4HIA-11). Freq RTTY 433.951 +/- due drift (30mW), APRS 145.175 (100mW), and an FM Fox on 146.565 (15mW). Expected altitude is 117,000ft.
[22:01] <fsphil> oooh QLD
[22:01] <fsphil> not many launches up there
[22:02] <andy_vk3yt> I am planning one next weekend with SSDV closer to the desert
[22:02] <andy_vk3yt> if it is not too hot!
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[22:03] <fsphil> no shortage of space there anyway
[22:03] <fsphil> it goes on forever
[22:04] <vk4tec> dunno size
[22:05] <vk4tec> expect 117,000 feet
[22:05] <andy_vk3yt> looks like halloon is in the air?
[22:05] <andy_vk3yt> balloon
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[22:09] <Laurenceb_> http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/roguesgallery/131.shtml#04
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[22:12] <dj_> Cq
[22:13] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[22:13] <dj_> KJ6TLZ
[22:14] <dj_> bye
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[22:23] <SpeedEvil> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/warpboard - discussion group for the 'warpboard'.
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> This is ST's new wearables platform - and is a 12*18mm linux low-power box.
[22:23] <Laurenceb_> wow
[22:23] <Laurenceb_> also buzzword bingo
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> In principle, it's not unliely that anyone interested in launching a balloon with this may have a good shot at a fee one.
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> free
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> It seems possible it's also properly supporting syspend mode.
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> the platform can do 4mW suspend to RAM, and 14mW idle.
[22:26] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMxEl_4ZU9Q It has a 3 axis accelerometer built in too. Could be handy for HAB logging
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> yeah
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[22:28] <SpeedEvil> Magnetometer and accel
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[22:30] <vk4tec> Launched: VK4HIA-11
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[22:34] <DL7AD> good evening
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[22:40] <Reb-SM3ULC> vk4tec: cool, have a good flight
[22:42] <vk4tec> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FVK4HIA-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[22:44] <LeoBodnar> oh, is this Upu's hardware?
[22:46] <andy_vk3yt> looks like it Leo, comments field has "/VK4HIA,215,0,33'C,http://habduino.org"
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[23:03] <Laurenceb_> slow ascent
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[23:04] <Laurenceb_> ~4m/s
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[23:09] <VK4PYL-bambi> is anyone tracking the Australia Queensland current flight?
[23:09] <fsphil> wish I could
[23:10] <bbjunkie> I need a bigger yagi
[23:10] <VK4PYL-bambi> smiles
[23:11] <VK4PYL-bambi> anyway details are here VK4HIA-11). Freq RTTY 433.951 +/- due drift (30mW), APRS 145.175 (100mW), and an FM Fox on 146.565 (15mW).
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[23:15] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
[23:19] <SP3OSJ> Hi pleaser enter Doc ID: 33df177e9ed2378847955ce1d5b1cfaa
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