highaltitude.log.20140121

[00:03] <steve_2e0vet> can i add components to the schematic and board once the board has been routed
[00:06] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc4-clif9-2-0-cust285.12-4.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Quit: cuddykid
[00:10] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-147.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude.
[00:12] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-147.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Disconnected by services
[00:12] BrainDamage1 (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-147.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude.
[00:16] BrainDamage1 (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-147.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Client Quit
[00:16] Elijah_ (~elijah@71-209-231-179.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[00:17] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-147.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude.
[00:17] Elijah_ (~elijah@71-209-231-179.phnx.qwest.net) joined #highaltitude.
[00:20] SiC- (Simon@host-92-25-254-51.as13285.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[00:20] <WillTablet> Anyone tried psk 31 on a hab?
[00:22] mauhen (521f85f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.31.133.242) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[00:22] <SpeedEvil> It's not in principle insane.
[00:23] <SpeedEvil> But, it would require a transmitter which can do phase modulation
[00:24] DL7AD_mobile (~androirc@ip-109-45-0-82.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[00:26] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host81-159-191-214.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[00:32] <Darkside> WillTablet: its certainly possible, it just raises the complexity of the transmitter
[00:33] <Darkside> it would also likel be far less 'clean' than the PSK31 you see on HF
[00:33] <Darkside> as that uses both phase and amplitude modulation to limit the bandwidth
[00:37] <SpeedEvil> Plus - the motion of the balloon is not quite ignorable
[00:37] <Darkside> eh?
[00:37] <Darkside> the motion of the balloon wouldn't affect this too much
[00:38] <Darkside> sure, you get doppler shift when the balloon bursts, but that doesn't last long
[00:40] <SpeedEvil> Swinging
[00:42] <Darkside> yeah that doesnt do anything noticable
[00:44] <arko> man PIC has the uglyist instruction set
[00:44] <arko> no wonder i did asm on avr
[00:44] <Darkside> which PICs?
[00:44] <Darkside> single register?
[00:47] <arko> PIC18F
[00:47] <arko> specifically PIC18F4321
[00:47] <Darkside> ah
[00:47] <Darkside> i've only used PIC16s
[00:47] <Darkside> and dont want to ever again
[00:47] <arko> its nice to learn on because you have a super small instruction set
[00:47] <arko> but super annoying because things like counting take like a billion lines
[00:47] <arko> its not very efficient
[00:55] <SpeedEvil> The 'it's only 37 cents' justification also gets way weaker in many cases given that you can now get a 32 bit micro with several K of RAM and ROM at 30MHz for $1ish@25
[00:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.accuratecnc.com/accurate437.php - on the not shit side of PCB routing
[00:57] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e) joined #highaltitude.
[01:02] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-147.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Disconnected by services
[01:02] BrainDamage1 (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-147.clienti.tiscali.it) joined #highaltitude.
[01:03] <gurgalof> i will ordes some of those when they are available http://se.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32L100C6U6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvh0aGzCjJ9pgMwXB%252bPKguK
[01:04] DL7AD_mobile (~androirc@ip-109-45-0-82.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[01:04] DL7AD_mobile (~androirc@p57BBAEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[01:08] <gurgalof> they're in a nice small package, low power, reasonable peripherals (USB!?!), and affordable
[01:08] <gurgalof> I think I'll like them
[01:10] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[01:12] anerDev (~anerDev@93.37.16.31) joined #highaltitude.
[01:20] <anerDev> hi guys
[01:20] <anerDev> =DS
[01:27] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-0-78.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[01:27] anerDev (~anerDev@93.37.16.31) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[01:29] DL7AD_mobile (~androirc@p57BBAEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[01:40] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-0-78.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[01:53] Hoogvlieger (57d32529@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.211.37.41) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[01:56] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e) joined #highaltitude.
[02:12] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-3-110.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[02:20] f5vnf (5c92f258@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.146.242.88) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[02:25] wd8mnv (4c67fd96@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.103.253.150) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[02:31] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) joined #highaltitude.
[02:34] BrainDamage1 (~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-147.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[02:40] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[03:04] adwiens (~adwiens@108-254-105-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) left irc:
[03:27] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[03:30] Lunar_Lander (~kevin@p5488B4DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend
[03:33] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e) joined #highaltitude.
[03:41] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[03:46] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude.
[03:56] wb8elk_ (ae7dc4e1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.125.196.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[04:06] DL7AD (~quassel@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[04:11] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-3-110.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[04:19] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[04:23] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-245.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[04:26] n0n0 (~n0n0___@75.144.20.73) joined #highaltitude.
[04:40] DL7AD (~quassel@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[05:24] es5nhc (~tarmo@178-21-244-214.wmx.levira.ee) joined #highaltitude.
[05:33] adwiens (~adwiens@108-254-105-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) joined #highaltitude.
[06:24] soylentbomb (~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb) joined #highaltitude.
[06:34] DL1SGP (~DL1SGP@dhcp56.signon3.uk.beevpn.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[06:36] heathkid|2 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude.
[06:36] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Disconnected by services
[06:39] DL1SGP (~DL1SGP@p5B043D56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[06:40] DL1SGP1 (~DL1SGP@dhcp214.signon3.uk.beevpn.com) joined #highaltitude.
[06:44] DL1SGP (~DL1SGP@p5B043D56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[07:03] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude.
[07:03] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-245.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[07:04] heathkid|2 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[07:16] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-45.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[07:26] jack9515 (545c212e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.92.33.46) joined #highaltitude.
[07:29] jack9515 (545c212e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.92.33.46) left irc: Client Quit
[07:31] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-45.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[07:31] uu4jlm_Valery (c121ed83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.33.237.131) joined #highaltitude.
[07:44] f5vnf (5c92f35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.146.243.93) joined #highaltitude.
[07:45] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[07:45] jack9515 (545c212e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.92.33.46) joined #highaltitude.
[07:45] number10 (d42c14ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.44.20.206) joined #highaltitude.
[07:49] jack9515 (545c212e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.92.33.46) left irc: Client Quit
[07:53] S_Mark (~S_Mark@host31-54-145-107.range31-54.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[07:53] <S_Mark> Morning, is there a way of directing the SSDV live images to another site?
[07:54] <S_Mark> or link to them from habhub
[07:54] <S_Mark> live
[07:54] ydnab40 (ydnab40@cpc24-nrte23-2-0-cust251.8-4.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude.
[07:55] bbjunkie (~bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[07:58] n0n0 (~n0n0___@75.144.20.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[07:59] MLow (~MLow@cpe-173-174-59-231.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[07:59] steve_2e0vet (5e082b10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.8.43.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[08:00] MLow (~MLow@cpe-173-174-59-231.austin.res.rr.com) joined #highaltitude.
[08:00] Piet0r (~Piet0r@unaffiliated/piet0r) joined #highaltitude.
[08:01] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[08:05] <fsphil> S_Mark: there is an unofficial API, which I can't get details of just at the moment. I'll get you them later
[08:06] <S_Mark> OK fsphil, thanks a lot, catch up later
[08:14] <Maxell> Intresting amount of #highaltitude/amteur radios peeps following dave jones/eevblog
[08:16] S_Mark (~S_Mark@host31-54-145-107.range31-54.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[08:17] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[08:20] nigelvh (~nigel@c-24-22-141-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[08:20] ydnab40 (ydnab40@cpc24-nrte23-2-0-cust251.8-4.cable.virginm.net) left irc:
[08:20] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-3-59.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[08:22] andyinuk (~andyinuk@cpc24-nrte23-2-0-cust251.8-4.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude.
[08:23] cuddykid (~acudworth@cpc4-clif9-2-0-cust285.12-4.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude.
[08:24] malgar (~malgar@adsl-ull-82-80.46-151.net24.it) joined #highaltitude.
[08:27] nigelvh (~nigel@c-24-22-141-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude.
[08:27] Nick change: nigelvh -> Guest16769
[08:28] andyinuk (~andyinuk@cpc24-nrte23-2-0-cust251.8-4.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
[08:28] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-3-59.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[08:30] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[08:34] ibanezmatt13 (5697ca79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.151.202.121) joined #highaltitude.
[08:48] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[08:49] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e) joined #highaltitude.
[08:53] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[08:54] <eroomde> Maxell: it's interesting
[08:54] <eroomde> though actually the rater of interesting videos seems to have dropped off a bit in the last few months
[08:54] <eroomde> i'm basically not interested in 85% of them atm
[08:55] Guest16769 (~nigel@c-24-22-141-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[08:56] mikestir (~quassel@cpc10-brmb8-2-0-cust107.1-3.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude.
[08:57] <eroomde> the tv transmitter stuff was a nice example of craftsmanship though
[08:57] <eroomde> but not mega technical
[08:58] nigelvh_ (~nigel@44.24.242.11) joined #highaltitude.
[09:00] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[09:02] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[09:02] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[09:03] nigelvh_ (~nigel@44.24.242.11) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[09:04] nigelvh_ (~nigel@c-24-22-141-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude.
[09:04] DL7AD (~quassel@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[09:09] rwsq1 (~rwsq1@81.130.197.136) joined #highaltitude.
[09:10] rwsq1 (~rwsq1@81.130.197.136) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[09:10] rwsq1 (~rwsq1@81.130.197.136) joined #highaltitude.
[09:13] DL7AD (~quassel@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[09:13] nigelvh_ (~nigel@c-24-22-141-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[09:21] nigelvh (~nigel@c-24-22-141-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude.
[09:21] Nick change: nigelvh -> Guest14468
[09:24] ibanezmatt13 (5697ca79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.151.202.121) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[09:25] OH7HJ-1 (~Juha@dsl-jnsbrasgw2-50dfa7-205.dhcp.inet.fi) joined #highaltitude.
[09:30] Hoogvlieger (57d32529@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.211.37.41) joined #highaltitude.
[09:30] macalba (~macalba@CPE-58-168-86-61.lns5.ken.bigpond.net.au) joined #highaltitude.
[09:33] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[09:35] <Maxell> eroomde: yeah. I'm enjoying the teardowns very much :)
[09:35] <Maxell> same for mikeslectricsblog
[09:36] <Maxell> Uhh, stuff. https://www.youtube.com/user/mikeselectricstuff
[09:36] <eroomde> yeah
[09:36] <eroomde> the teardowns are interesting
[09:36] <eroomde> and the whiteboard explanations of things are good on eevblog
[09:37] <eroomde> all the basics of opamps like deal with bias currents and input offset voltages and all that lot
[09:37] <eroomde> dealing with*
[09:40] <Maxell> eroomde: and the less subtile electroncis: https://www.youtube.com/user/Photonvids
[09:40] <Darkside> haha
[09:40] <Darkside> photonvids is awesome
[09:40] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) joined #highaltitude.
[09:42] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded
[09:42] uu4jlm_Valery (c121ed83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.33.237.131) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[09:43] <Maxell> Darkside: however, the rage quit a while back was kinda rude.
[09:43] <Darkside> eh?
[09:43] <Darkside> he came in here?
[09:43] <Maxell> No, he deleted his youtube channel and all videos
[09:44] <Darkside> oh what
[09:44] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) joined #highaltitude.
[09:44] <eroomde> none of any of this has a patch on a jim williams app note, though
[09:44] <Maxell> He had haters flagging all is vids and youtube just put it into the "dangarous and stupid" and removed them.
[09:44] <Maxell> So he quited.
[09:44] <eroomde> they're just sublime
[09:45] <Darkside> i thought th point of youtube is so someon can do dangerous and stupid things, so others dont have to
[09:46] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[09:50] Steve_G0TDJ (d49f4aee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.159.74.238) joined #highaltitude.
[09:52] Andrew_M6GTG (~m6gtg@cpc19-nwrk4-2-0-cust202.12-1.cable.virginm.net) joined #highaltitude.
[09:57] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@p57BB9469.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[09:58] n0n0 (~n0n0___@2602:306:c410:500:7d57:e08e:bdd2:7d5e) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[10:02] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[10:03] <nats`> hi !
[10:06] <eroomde> and to you
[10:07] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[10:08] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[10:12] uu4jlm_Valery (c121ed83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.33.237.131) joined #highaltitude.
[10:13] rwsq1 (~rwsq1@81.130.197.136) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[10:21] <mikestir> wooyay. looks like bypassing the knackered PA in my 706 wasn't such a crazy idea after all
[10:30] Guest14468 (~nigel@c-24-22-141-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[10:32] ibanezmatt13 (d4db38c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.219.56.194) joined #highaltitude.
[10:38] nigelvh (~nigel@c-24-22-141-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude.
[10:38] Nick change: nigelvh -> Guest85963
[10:42] <eroomde> got an external amp?
[10:43] malgar (~malgar@adsl-ull-82-80.46-151.net24.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via
[10:47] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) joined #highaltitude.
[10:50] oh1hih (oh1hih@oh1hih.insomnia.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[10:51] oh1hih (oh1hih@oh1hih.insomnia.fi) joined #highaltitude.
[10:54] <gonzo_> would make a useful transverter drive radio
[10:55] <eroomde> what level is it pre-PA?
[10:56] SushiKenBrown (~quassel@cmr-208-124-174-194.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude.
[10:58] <eroomde> someone has just set off their emergency life support breathing apparatus
[10:58] <eroomde> the pull-handle looks a bit like the carry-handle
[10:58] <eroomde> whoops
[10:59] SushiKenBrown_ (~quassel@cmr-208-124-174-194.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[11:00] <fsphil> I suddenly have this image of Q's lab from the bond films
[11:01] <eroomde> not quitre that dramatics
[11:01] <eroomde> it's just hissing away in the corner
[11:01] <eroomde> need to get a new one as firings are happening today
[11:03] Geoff-G8DHE_ (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[11:05] seventeen (021bff8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.27.255.141) joined #highaltitude.
[11:06] Geoff-G8DHE-M (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[11:06] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M
[11:15] ibanezmatt13 (d4db38c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.219.56.194) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[11:20] <mikestir> sorry eroomde,gonzo_ - it peaks about 12W or so. There's clearly an impedance mismatch I need to deal with though, because the peaks aren't in the amateur bands
[11:21] <mikestir> I'm going to try to determine the output impedance of the driver stage and wind a suitable broadband transformer so that the filter bank sees the right source impedance, then it's probably going to be fairly usable for QRP
[11:21] macalba (~macalba@CPE-58-168-86-61.lns5.ken.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: macalba
[11:22] <mikestir> better than spending limitless amounts of money on obsolete mosfets anyway
[11:22] uu4jlm_Valery (c121ed83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.33.237.131) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[11:24] <gonzo_> I know the feeling. I killed my FT847 output Q's about 10yrs ago. And they were made of obsloenium then. Cost a packet fro yaesu
[11:25] <gonzo_> have to do a PA hack on a radio soon. To make it qrp for transverter drive. Far safer than remembering to turn the wick down
[11:26] <mikestir> well I got this 706 for nothing, so even better
[11:26] <mikestir> it's only a mk1
[11:27] <daveake> If anyone wants a 790 for very little, I have one that doesn't work
[11:28] Action: daveake steps away from the stampede
[11:30] <gonzo_> the mk1 is the one without 70cm?
[11:30] <gonzo_> what's up with it dave? (Not that I want one, just nosey!)
[11:31] <daveake> Tuning would drift and jump randomly
[11:31] <craag> Yeah I've got one with exactly the same issue
[11:31] <daveake> Since then it's had an attempt on repairing it (not by me) with a couple of duff parts replaced, but it still the same
[11:32] <craag> gonzo_: http://i.imgur.com/2CXPG.png
[11:32] <daveake> Ah well when you've fixed it ... :)
[11:32] <craag> ^^ bottom one
[11:32] <daveake> that's it
[11:32] <daveake> well, some other random curve but that does look familiar
[11:32] <craag> top is rtlsdr, bottom is the 790
[11:32] <daveake> I guessed
[11:32] <daveake> :)
[11:33] <gonzo_> ref osc or loop filter issue?
[11:33] <craag> Most people I talk to reckon a dodgy cap in the LO
[11:33] <daveake> sounds likely
[11:34] <craag> But I think it's quite high freq, and I don't have any kit capable of looking at it
[11:34] <gonzo_> it's staying within the chan, so could be
[11:34] <mikestir> gonzo_: yes the mk1 is HF/6/2 only
[11:34] <craag> gonzo_: It would often stray well beyond a couple of KHz, that screenshot was a lucky catch
[11:35] <gonzo_> could even be the 2nd LO
[11:35] <gonzo_> agree, barely worth fixing
[11:37] <craag> Also it's technically my dad's rig, but he only ever uses it on FM, so it doesn't cause him any issues.
[11:47] <gonzo_> only drifty on FM?
[11:47] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-171-203-162.range86-171.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[11:53] jedas (~gedas@78-62-84-157.static.zebra.lt) joined #highaltitude.
[12:11] SiC (Simon@host-92-25-254-51.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude.
[12:12] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[12:15] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-171-203-162.range86-171.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[12:15] nickfarmer (811fe46f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.31.228.111) joined #highaltitude.
[12:16] nickfarmer (811fe46f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.31.228.111) left irc: Client Quit
[12:22] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) joined #highaltitude.
[12:38] Nick change: DL7AD_mobile2 -> dl7ad-mob
[12:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Guys
[12:50] <DL1SGP1> Yo Steve, cheers mate
[12:50] <DL1SGP1> that was a wise decision
[12:50] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
[12:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Felix - Yeah, I don't think it would be very sensible
[12:50] <DL1SGP> Indeed :P and north is wrong direction for it to float towards me as well :D
[12:51] BrainDamage (~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) joined #highaltitude.
[12:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Yeah, wel, Hopefuly te conditin will change o correct that in the next few days.
[12:51] <DL1SGP> we will see, meanwhile I tracked some radiosondes
[12:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Neat, well done
[12:52] <DL1SGP> rather piece of cake, living about 25km from the launcher :P
[12:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
[12:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's an advantage
[12:53] <Miek> i'll track things that go north :)
[12:53] <DL1SGP> yeah if I do not hear it I can suspect that they gonna relaunch on the alternate frequency due to the rs having failed
[12:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Open question to anyone, When did UKHAS become an entity?
[12:54] <DL1SGP> :)
[12:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[12:55] <mfa298> sounds like a good excuse :p
[12:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Enough already :-)
[12:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm finishing off my crib sheet for tonight's talk
[12:56] <DL1SGP> ah, hope you will be able to decode :P
[12:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have a recording of VAYU-NTX and one of Tom's payloads
[12:57] <DL1SGP> will you be taking the payload there and switch it on to demonstrate transmission just without letting it float away?
[12:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, it will be there but I@m usng an audio recording
[12:57] <DL1SGP> they would not notice :P
[12:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, I'll tell them what's going on but you're probly right LOL
[12:58] <DL1SGP> one will bring up the I-Question
[12:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> What's that?
[12:58] <DL1SGP> INSURANCE :)
[12:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh probably.
[12:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Actually, I know who it will be LOL
[12:59] <DL1SGP> good :)
[12:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right, better get this finished. Other stuff to do before tonight! - Speak to you later Felix
[13:00] <DL1SGP> Yeah if we do not meet before you leave, good luck... got some stuff to do here myself
[13:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers! 73 fer nw om :-)
[13:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> ..
[13:00] dl7ad-mob (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[13:01] dl7ad-mob (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[13:01] <DL1SGP> 73 Steve
[13:02] dl7ad-mob (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[13:02] dl7ad-mob (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[13:02] napos_ (~na@151.150.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee) joined #highaltitude.
[13:03] napos (~na@151.150.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[13:03] Nick change: napos_ -> napos
[13:03] dl7ad-mob (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[13:03] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[13:13] SiC (Simon@host-92-25-254-51.as13285.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[13:13] SiC- (Simon@host-92-25-72-131.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude.
[13:13] Nick change: SiC- -> SiC
[13:15] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[13:26] sa6bss (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[13:27] newbie|0 (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[13:27] f5vnf (5c92f35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.146.243.93) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[13:28] Nick change: kuldeepdhaka -> dumbguy
[13:28] Nick change: dumbguy -> coolguy
[13:28] Nick change: coolguy -> kuldeepdhaka
[13:35] SiC- (Simon@host-92-25-246-167.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude.
[13:35] SiC (Simon@host-92-25-72-131.as13285.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[13:42] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[13:44] malgar (~malgar@adsl-ull-82-80.46-151.net24.it) joined #highaltitude.
[13:46] ibanezmatt13_ (d4db38c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.219.56.194) joined #highaltitude.
[13:47] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[13:49] YO9ICT (~YO9ICT@leu-a1.eregie.pub.ro) joined #highaltitude.
[13:57] ibanezmatt13_ (d4db38c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.219.56.194) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[14:06] OH7HJ (~Juha@dsl-jnsbrasgw2-50dfa7-205.dhcp.inet.fi) joined #highaltitude.
[14:09] OH7HJ-1 (~Juha@dsl-jnsbrasgw2-50dfa7-205.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[14:12] Upu (~Upu@2a00:14f0:e028:0:5cda:57af:779e:b46d) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[14:12] Upu (~Upu@2a00:14f0:e028:0:5cda:57af:779e:b46d) joined #highaltitude.
[14:13] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[14:15] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) joined #highaltitude.
[14:20] <Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1574/LN1823/PF259618
[14:20] G0HDI (516b8820@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.107.136.32) joined #highaltitude.
[14:20] <Laurenceb> looks exciting - tssop package
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[14:24] <Hix-AFK> Laurenceb - have you done anything regarding motion tracking using video? Seem to remember something being said re machine vision or similar
[14:24] <Laurenceb> very basic stuff only
[14:24] <Laurenceb> just for "antishake" and OCR screen reading
[14:24] <Hix-AFK> that's the level I'm looking at :)
[14:24] <Laurenceb> what are you trying to do?
[14:25] <Hix-AFK> got a mechanism that they want to present to a client, they wanted to show it moving and then returning to a predefined positon
[14:25] <Hix-AFK> it would be nice if it could be done better thatn the crosshair and webcam they have atm
[14:26] Nick change: Hix-AFK -> Hix
[14:26] <Laurenceb> ok
[14:26] <Laurenceb> ive used edge detect and correlation before
[14:26] <Laurenceb> for "antishake"
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> Also, 'steadicam' type mounts aren't that hard to make
[14:27] <Hix> what kind of software should I be looking at? Is there O.S stuff out there
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Steadicam-Smoothee-iPhone-4-4s/dp/B004CJ8CS2
[14:27] <Hix> SpeedEvil it's not keeping the cam steady its monitoring the position of a mechanism relative to the camera
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> Hix: what sort of motion tracking are you wanting?
[14:28] <Hix> ^^
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> opencv seems likely to be useful
[14:28] <Hix> cool
[14:28] <Hix> will look
[14:28] <Laurenceb> i was just using GNU octave
[14:29] MoALTz (~no@host81-153-177-191.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[14:29] <Laurenceb> and http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~pk/research/matlabfns/
[14:29] <Hix> hmm octave would bprobably be a struggle to use, given it'd be me doing it and I am still learning python
[14:30] <Laurenceb> i used http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~pk/research/matlabfns/#edgelink
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> #opencv has lots of people
[14:30] <Laurenceb> for finding monitors in a scene
[14:30] MoALTz (~no@host81-153-176-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[14:30] <Laurenceb> then desquew
[14:31] <Laurenceb> and edge detect to read off the data
[14:31] <Laurenceb> antishake was to avoid redoing the "aquisition" on each frame
[14:31] <Laurenceb> octave is dead simple, much simpler than python imo
[14:32] <Hix> dirty grat big Manfrotto should sort out any issues of that flavour :)
[14:32] <adamgreig> easy enough to use opencv in python too
[14:32] <Laurenceb> yeah
[14:32] <Hix> looking at it now.
[14:32] <Laurenceb> whatevber rocks your boat :P
[14:32] <adamgreig> in python2 anyway
[14:32] Action: adamgreig grumbles about opencv and py3
[14:32] <Laurenceb> i know ~zero about opencv tho, so couldnt help
[14:32] <adamgreig> it works fine, but it's a complete nightmare to actually create a py3 linked library
[14:33] <Hix> I'm sticking to py2.7 as advised by most of the worl :)
[14:34] <Hix> *world
[14:34] <Laurenceb> heh
[14:34] <adamgreig> py threeeeeee
[14:34] <adamgreig> if you are just learning python especially, py3 :(
[14:34] <adamgreig> wish 2.7 would hurry up and stop being used
[14:34] <Hix> I'm following Udacity's CS101 which is py 2.x so sticking with it
[14:35] <adamgreig> ok yea if you're following a course then fe
[14:40] <SiC-> whats the biggest differences between 2.7 and 3?
[14:40] <SiC-> or completely incompatiable?
[14:41] <adamgreig> perhaps the biggest is the handling of strings/unicode
[14:41] <adamgreig> in 3.3, unicode text strings are different to binary data strings
[14:41] <adamgreig> in ways that they are not in 2.7
[14:41] <adamgreig> but there's a collection of other nice syntax changes
[14:42] <SiC-> a bit like the differences between php4 and php5?
[14:42] <SiC-> (or even php3 vs php5)
[14:42] <adamgreig> no
[14:42] <adamgreig> I think php5 runs php4 code
[14:42] <adamgreig> but some py2 code won't run on py3
[14:43] <mfa298> php5 will even mostly run php3 code (I've had issues with php+snmp but that might just be option changes)
[14:43] <eroomde> though it's easy enough to write 2.7 code that works in 3
[14:43] <eroomde> if you know specifically where the changes are
[14:43] <SiC-> ah
[14:43] <adamgreig> yea
[14:44] <SiC-> so far more gotchas
[14:44] <adamgreig> you can defo write code that runs in both with a little care
[14:44] <adamgreig> which is what I'm doing
[14:44] <adamgreig> for libraries
[14:44] <adamgreig> my app code is all py3 only
[14:44] <eroomde> lots of it is just 'from __future__'
[14:45] <Laurenceb> lol
[14:45] <Laurenceb> just borrow code from the future
[14:45] <eroomde> yes
[14:45] <Laurenceb> the economics of programming
[14:47] <Hix> Some OpenCV books for those that are interested: http://it-ebooks.info/book/2866/ http://it-ebooks.info/book/299 http://it-ebooks.info/book/1593
[14:48] <Laurenceb> im getting intermittent device disconnections and reconnection on usb
[14:48] <Laurenceb> wondered what is most likely, motherboard issues or something else?
[14:48] <SiC-> dodgy usb cable/connector?
[14:49] <Laurenceb> yeah but its happening for everything
[14:49] <Laurenceb> mouse and keyboard too
[14:49] <Hix> time to backup :p
[14:49] <Laurenceb> heh
[14:50] <Laurenceb> im wondering if theres dry joints on motherboard
[14:50] <Laurenceb> but the devices arent losing power
[14:50] <fsphil> NSA
[14:50] <Laurenceb> maybe fried PHY on the motherboard?
[14:50] <SiC-> I blame obama
[14:51] Natio (~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk) joined #highaltitude.
[14:51] <Laurenceb> hmm
[14:51] <Laurenceb> jamming the motherboard into the case and problem seems to have gone
[14:52] Action: DL1SGP blames BT
[14:52] <Laurenceb> odd that power not effected, maybe dry joints on PHY?
[14:53] <SiC-> possibly
[14:53] <SiC-> cracked connections around the connector especially if you plug things in and out a lot
[15:00] adwiens (~adwiens@108-254-105-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[15:06] Chris______ (c3611493@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.97.20.147) joined #highaltitude.
[15:06] Chris______ (c3611493@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.97.20.147) left irc: Client Quit
[15:07] Chris_SV (c3611493@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.97.20.147) joined #highaltitude.
[15:08] <eroomde> i really do hate all this cmsis and peripheral library stuff that all the cortex vendors seem so keen on
[15:08] <eroomde> it's just a bit horrible
[15:10] <Laurenceb> i find it better than opencm3
[15:10] <eroomde> trying to trit hate it
[15:10] <Laurenceb> but not as nice as Chibios
[15:10] <Laurenceb> but chibios can be a bit limiting
[15:10] <eroomde> i'd rather than define some registers and do bitmasks
[15:10] <Laurenceb> yes
[15:11] <eroomde> i'd rather just*
[15:11] <Laurenceb> these days i tend to use chibios was raw register stuff when needed
[15:11] <eroomde> just have the datahseet open
[15:11] <Laurenceb> i need to try CMSIS RTOS
[15:13] Chris_SV (c3611493@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.97.20.147) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[15:15] <Laurenceb> https://sites.google.com/site/bristolseds/rockoon
[15:17] <Laurenceb> this looks impossibly hard
[15:17] <Laurenceb> "ur doing it wrong"
[15:19] <mattbrejza> 'By law the balloon platform is required to include a radar reflector' :/
[15:20] <Laurenceb> ill do a CAD design of my pop bottle rockoon launcher... sometime
[15:20] <Laurenceb> too much work for forseeable future
[15:20] <eroomde> they wanted to colaborate with CUSF
[15:21] <eroomde> this was a recurring theme during my time at CUSF. no one ever said why it would be an advantage to cusf. even when i asked
[15:21] <Laurenceb> heh
[15:21] <mattbrejza> well at least theyre actually a seds group doing something
[15:22] <eroomde> scares the shit out of me when people our age think that the best way to get something done quickly and cheaply is to interface yourself to some geographically separate organization
[15:22] <Laurenceb> mattbrejza: yeah lol
[15:22] <eroomde> tomorrow's management consultans right there in the making
[15:23] <Laurenceb> total cost of the 105Km rockoon design i have in front of me is ~£320
[15:24] <eroomde> so do it
[15:24] <Laurenceb> i am doing
[15:24] <eroomde> no more talking about it till it's done
[15:24] <mattbrejza> the bloke who runs soton seds ran as a student rep thing for his course. he was the only one running but was beaten by RON
[15:24] <eroomde> lol
[15:24] <Laurenceb> its going to take a year or so...
[15:24] <eroomde> cool
[15:24] <Laurenceb> howyee 1200gram launched
[15:25] <eroomde> you're talking about it
[15:25] <Laurenceb> hehe
[15:26] <Laurenceb> eroomde: have you ever tried cesaroni igniters at low pressure?
[15:26] <eroomde> don't know what cesaroni igniters are specifically, off the top of my head
[15:27] <eroomde> tend to just use daveyfires, optionally with my special sauce
[15:28] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[15:29] <Laurenceb> ok, i guess nozzle plugs help a lot
[15:29] <Laurenceb> the whole "frozen" rocket thing the register team are going on about seems to be a non issue
[15:29] <Laurenceb> cesaroni spec to -5C and you can easily keep that warm with 1cm foam
[15:30] <eroomde> try it
[15:30] <eroomde> instead of speculating about it
[15:30] SiC- (Simon@host-92-25-246-167.as13285.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[15:35] <Laurenceb> no Leo :-/
[15:37] <eroomde> probably working on stuff instead of talking about it
[15:37] kuldeepdhaka_ (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) joined #highaltitude.
[15:37] <mfa298> chances are for the reg team they don't really know what went wrong and "frozen" rocket is just one possibility.
[15:37] <Laurenceb> trollroomde
[15:38] <eroomde> if only it were trolling
[15:38] <eroomde> rather than quite a serious suggestion
[15:38] kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[15:39] Nick change: Laurenceb -> Trollence
[15:39] <eroomde> i'd be fairly certain their problems are not frozen rocket motors but rather the flame front from their igniter dissipating too quickly
[15:39] <Trollence> me too
[15:39] <eroomde> they (the reg) also think this is the cause
[15:40] <Trollence> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/pisg.html <-who is your top timewaster now :P
[15:40] Nick change: Trollence -> Laurenceb
[15:40] juxta (~rootkit@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[15:40] uu4jlm_Valery (c331c855@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.49.200.85) joined #highaltitude.
[15:40] <eroomde> oh talking is fine Laurenceb
[15:40] <eroomde> i can also show you rocket engines i've built
[15:40] mauhen (521f85f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.31.133.242) joined #highaltitude.
[15:41] <eroomde> i haven't spent 5 years talking about rockets with no hardware to show for it
[15:41] <eroomde> unlike you
[15:41] <eroomde> infact i've made it my career
[15:41] <eroomde> so you were saying?
[15:41] <Laurenceb> why so serious :D
[15:41] juxta (~rootkit@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude.
[15:41] <adamgreig> aah i'm neck and neck with upu
[15:42] <gonzo_> last time I played with modle rocketry motors, we filled the nozzle with shotgun powder to make sure the ignitor caught
[15:42] <Laurenceb> lol
[15:43] <gonzo_> the ignitors were just match heads on a bit of wire, very poor
[15:44] <nats`> tips of the day: a tcxo can burn, I mean really burn with flames and smoke !
[15:44] <eroomde> how?
[15:44] <gonzo_> use them as rocket ignitors then
[15:44] <Laurenceb> heh
[15:44] <nats`> eroomde used by stupid people like me ? :D
[15:44] <eroomde> gonzo_: daveyfires (the slow burning flavours) are good
[15:45] <nats`> I was modifying one of our PLC module to do test and I put 220V mainline on it
[15:45] <nats`> there was a sudden little flame and much smoke
[15:45] <mfa298> lots of electronics don't like 220V AC.
[15:46] <nats`> yep since I worked a lot on PLC I learnt it the hardway
[15:46] <gonzo_> have seen an ocxo where the overn stat died
[15:46] <nats`> (PLC = Powerline Communication for information)
[15:46] <gonzo_> melted it's way throug it's polystyrene lagging
[15:46] number10 (d42c14ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.44.20.206) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[15:47] <gonzo_> not programable logic controler then!
[15:48] <nats`> nop but funny stuff anyway
[15:49] G0HDI (516b8820@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.107.136.32) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[15:50] S_Mark (~anonymous@ictmr.pndsl.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[15:52] S_Mark (anonymous@ictmr.pndsl.co.uk) left #highaltitude.
[15:53] Geoff-G8DHE_ (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[15:53] <eroomde> a rocke engine firing just set off a car alarm
[15:54] <adamgreig> why does that happen?
[15:54] <eroomde> vibration
[15:54] <eroomde> this was big
[15:54] <eroomde> whole ground was shaking
[15:55] <adamgreig> nice
[15:55] <adamgreig> running my computer with one screen and one stick of RAM to see if I can narrow down the problem
[15:55] <adamgreig> should try without ethernet too but then I'd get nothing done
[15:55] <adamgreig> or a lot done. hard to say.
[15:55] <adamgreig> sigh
[15:57] Geoff-G8DHE-M (~Geoff-G8D@geoffg8dhe.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[15:57] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M
[16:03] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[16:06] nickfarmer (~androirc@2001:630:12:2e1e:b029:f5e7:e15f:c8d) joined #highaltitude.
[16:07] juxta (~rootkit@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[16:09] juxta (~rootkit@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude.
[16:09] <fsphil> the net can be very distracting. it helps to uninstall flash
[16:09] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[16:10] <DL1SGP> heh
[16:10] <fsphil> and disable images
[16:10] <DL1SGP> I was about to mention that
[16:10] <DL1SGP> you could use a text-only browser :P
[16:11] <mfa298> just use lynx
[16:11] <mfa298> or elinks if you want something more modern
[16:11] <DL1SGP> lynx is great
[16:12] nickfarmer (~androirc@2001:630:12:2e1e:b029:f5e7:e15f:c8d) left irc: Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )
[16:12] <fsphil> still nice to have decent css and javascript support
[16:14] ilmenite (~ilmenite@84.64.13.177) joined #highaltitude.
[16:16] ilmenite (~ilmenite@84.64.13.177) left irc: Read error: No route to host
[16:17] ilmenite (~ilmenite@84.64.13.177) joined #highaltitude.
[16:19] adwiens (~nobody@lawn-143-215-127-212.lawn.gatech.edu) joined #highaltitude.
[16:20] <adwiens> hey
[16:20] <craag> afternoon
[16:23] adwiens (~nobody@lawn-143-215-127-212.lawn.gatech.edu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[16:26] jack9515 (545c212e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.92.33.46) joined #highaltitude.
[16:28] juxta (~rootkit@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[16:30] juxta (~rootkit@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude.
[16:38] DutchMillbt (3e0c143d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.12.20.61) joined #highaltitude.
[16:42] Nick change: Guest85963 -> nigelvh
[16:45] adwiens (~adwiens@lawn-143-215-113-58.lawn.gatech.edu) joined #highaltitude.
[16:48] <eroomde> finally finished unpacking a box from the scottish rocket week 1.5 years ago
[16:48] <eroomde> boxes-of-stuff-to-sort have a pretty long half-life here
[16:52] DutchMillbt (3e0c143d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.12.20.61) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[16:54] Steve_2e0vet (~Steve_2e0@92.40.249.48.threembb.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[16:58] Steve_2e0vet (~Steve_2e0@92.40.249.48.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[16:59] chrisstubbs (~chrisstub@host86-180-99-147.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[17:00] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[17:00] <nats`> I loved so much to do micro rocket when kid
[17:00] <nats`> I need to find a club doing that near paris :)
[17:01] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[17:01] <eroomde> it's fun
[17:02] <nats`> yep
[17:02] <nats`> you know those with carton tube and powder motor
[17:02] <nats`> that's impressive when you're a kid :)
[17:03] <eroomde> yep
[17:03] <eroomde> i did them too
[17:05] <nats`> I bet in France it's a nightmare to do that kind of stuff without a legal structure :|
[17:05] number10 (56850fc3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.133.15.195) joined #highaltitude.
[17:06] MoALTz_ (~no@host81-153-176-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[17:06] kopijs_ (~backup@80.232.211.46) joined #highaltitude.
[17:06] <eroomde> seeing as laurenceb brought it up, looking at it i've spoken nearly 1 million words in this channel
[17:06] <eroomde> over the years
[17:07] <eroomde> i think there's a forthcoming nice round number on which to retire
[17:07] <eroomde> 'eroomde spoke a total of 941361 words! '
[17:07] <eroomde> the list of most used words is nearly poetic
[17:07] <mattbrejza> 'Smiley lists novels as typically being between 100,000 and 175,000 words'
[17:08] <eroomde> there about think would could should really launch still right
[17:08] priyesh_ (~priyesh@unaffiliated/priyesh) joined #highaltitude.
[17:08] <eroomde> the least popula rpeople are Willdude123 and trollence
[17:08] <Willdude123> Ahem
[17:08] GeekShad1w (~antoine@nzf.turmel.info) joined #highaltitude.
[17:09] <eroomde> 'eroomde is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 7 people! '
[17:09] DL7AD_mobile2 (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] ivan`` (~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] happysat (~katpoep@s55970b39.adsl.online.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] jack9515 (545c212e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.92.33.46) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] priyesh (~priyesh@unaffiliated/priyesh) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] KingJ_ (~kj@nessa.kingj.net) joined #highaltitude.
[17:09] kopijs (~backup@80.232.211.46) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] GeekShadow (~antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] Bat`O (~michael@shm67-1-81-56-107-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] KingJ (~kj@nessa.kingj.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[17:09] MoALTz (~no@host81-153-176-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] Vostok (vostok@kapsi.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] evilerik (~erik@green.spectralmud.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:09] Vostok (vostok@kapsi.fi) joined #highaltitude.
[17:09] evilerik (~erik@green.spectralmud.org) joined #highaltitude.
[17:09] <fsphil> sheesh, 102517
[17:09] <Willdude123> eroomde: how am I unpopular?
[17:09] <fsphil> well, 102518 now
[17:09] <Willdude123> Oh pisg
[17:09] <fsphil> 102519...
[17:09] <eroomde> Laurenceb talks to himself the most, followed by me
[17:10] ivan`` (~ivan@li125-242.members.linode.com) joined #highaltitude.
[17:10] chrisstubbs (~chrisstub@host86-180-99-147.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[17:10] <Willdude123> eroomde: we can read it ourselves :)
[17:10] <eroomde> i've made it to the bottom now
[17:10] ivan`` (~ivan@li125-242.members.linode.com) left irc: Changing host
[17:10] ivan`` (~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001) joined #highaltitude.
[17:11] <Willdude123> I'm having fun failing CW
[17:12] <fsphil> "* SpeedEvil hits arko with a duck."
[17:12] <eroomde> coursework?
[17:12] <fsphil> good days
[17:12] happysat (~katpoep@s55970b39.adsl.online.nl) joined #highaltitude.
[17:14] Bat`O (~michael@shm67-1-81-56-107-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined #highaltitude.
[17:14] <nats`> time to drink wine \o/
[17:14] <nats`> I'll have a glass for you eroomde :D
[17:14] <eroomde> thanks
[17:14] <eroomde> i quite fancy one
[17:14] <eroomde> it's almost that time
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: It's interesting also to do breakdowns to see how many words you actually use.
[17:14] crash_18974_ (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: And how bad your typos are.
[17:15] <Willdude123> eroomde: morse
[17:15] <mattbrejza> whats the ham term for noob?
[17:15] <Willdude123> me
[17:16] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[17:16] Nick change: crash_18974_ -> crash_18974
[17:16] <mattbrejza> what was it before you were started then?
[17:16] <mattbrejza> -were
[17:17] Action: mfa298 thinks pisg is missing the all important SNR stat.
[17:17] <eroomde> my typos are bad, yes
[17:17] <eroomde> i type very badly
[17:17] <eroomde> surely it stands for carrier wave?
[17:17] <Willdude123> Continuous
[17:18] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) joined #highaltitude.
[17:18] <eroomde> continuous wave then
[17:18] <mattbrejza> apparently continuous is a good name for something that is turned off and on
[17:18] <eroomde> how does that mean 'morse'
[17:18] <eroomde> surely it just means there's a nominally pure tone being broadcast for some reason
[17:18] <Willdude123> eroomde: bleh most people call it CW most rigs call it CW so I call it CW just to look the same
[17:18] <eroomde> sure, i don't speak HAM
[17:19] <eroomde> i quite accept it might be their lingo
[17:21] Piet0r (~Piet0r@unaffiliated/piet0r) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[17:22] <mfa298> I think in terms of Rigs CW is a distinction of morse sent by turning the carrier on and off as opposed to morse as an audible tone on some other modulation (e.g. over FM). Both are valid ways of sending morse, but you'll probably find only one is classed as CW.
[17:24] <Willdude123> Urgh this morse is way too fast
[17:25] <mfa298> what morse are you trying to practice with ?
[17:27] <Willdude123> The morse that sounds like a tone
[17:27] <Willdude123> Does it not all sound the same?
[17:27] <Willdude123> I'm using lcwo.net
[17:27] <mfa298> as in from a tutor program or hf or a practice tape ...
[17:28] <Willdude123> Tutor thing
[17:28] <Willdude123> Koch I think
[17:29] <mfa298> if you can farnsworth timing may help (longer gaps between chars)
[17:30] <Willdude123> I think it does. It has two settings, char speed and effective speed
[17:30] <Willdude123> Character speed is 20wpm whereas effective is 10wpm
[17:30] <mfa298> and dont try doing too many characters at a time (start with two if you can) until you can reliably decode them aim for 90% accuracy.
[17:31] <Willdude123> It does two
[17:31] <Willdude123> I can't keep up
[17:31] <mfa298> the trick is then reckognising the patterns *not* listening for dots and dashes.
[17:31] adwiens (~adwiens@lawn-143-215-113-58.lawn.gatech.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[17:32] Andrew_M6GTG (~m6gtg@cpc19-nwrk4-2-0-cust202.12-1.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Quit: +++CARRIER LOST+++
[17:33] <mikestir> there's a free windows koch trainer that I had a play with a while ago - I thought it was pretty good. G4FON?
[17:33] <mfa298> I've used and liked http://www.justlearnmorsecode.com/
[17:33] <mfa298> I probably ought to have another go at learning it
[17:34] <Willdude123> mikestir: I know it
[17:34] <LazyLeopard> ...and I've done battle with both of those, and lcwo.net as well...
[17:34] <Willdude123> mikestir: I've met him
[17:35] <LazyLeopard> The G4FON program has some nice signal distorting options that the others mostly lack, but it hasn't been updated in years, and it's getting flakey.
[17:36] <mikestir> yeah I had to use an actual windows box to make it work, which was annoying
[17:36] <LazyLeopard> LJMC is being fairly actively looked after, but doesn't have the signal quality options.
[17:37] crash_18974_ (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[17:37] <LazyLeopard> The only one that's relatively reliably cross-platform is lcwo.net, and that has the huge disadvantage of needing a net connection.
[17:39] mike (531c2c7b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.28.44.123) joined #highaltitude.
[17:39] Nick change: mike -> Guest15461
[17:39] <LazyLeopard> Best option is likely to be finding a real live person who can teach you, but such folk are rare as hens teeth...
[17:40] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[17:40] Guest15461 (531c2c7b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.28.44.123) left irc: Client Quit
[17:40] Nick change: crash_18974_ -> crash_18974
[17:40] G0HDI (516b8820@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.107.136.32) joined #highaltitude.
[17:40] ilmenite (~ilmenite@84.64.13.177) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:40] <Laurenceb> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/PanamaCanal1913a.jpg
[17:40] <Laurenceb> some epic photography there
[17:42] bbjunkie (bbjunkie@i-83-67-136-45.freedom2surf.net) joined #highaltitude.
[17:49] G0HDI (516b8820@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.107.136.32) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[17:52] niftylettuce_ (uid2733@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qczgeqllxsyrnyqk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/55979/1390305639/wreckingballoon.jpg - anyone recognise?
[17:56] uu4jlm_Valery (c331c855@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.49.200.85) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[17:57] <jonsowman> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14119969
[17:57] <jonsowman> 3rd image
[17:58] <mattbrejza> wheres the bear?
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> 'They made a camera capsule box, which they attached to a 2,000kg meteorological weather balloon. ' Strangely, it doesn't look that big.
[18:00] <mfa298> shame they don't show any nice concave earth pictures
[18:02] <jonsowman> 2,000kg!
[18:03] <jonsowman> that's a massive balloon
[18:03] <Laurenceb> haha no way
[18:03] <mfa298> last pic: "... and we are over the moon with the results" - I think they need to go quite a bit further to be over the moon, "... team may now launch the balloon again" - that could be a challenge.
[18:03] niftylettuce_ (uid2733@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mizyuzaxpksghfix) joined #highaltitude.
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: Well - a 2000kg balloon is likely to be reusable.
[18:06] <mfa298> on the plus side I see no mentions of space!
[18:07] mauhen (521f85f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.31.133.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> http://blog.cyberexplorer.me/2014/01/sniffing-and-decoding-nrf24l01-and.html downconverters for rtlsdr
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> and nrf24*
[18:17] <arko> if you guys are ever in LA, come visit us at nullspace labs:
[18:17] <arko> http://hackaday.com/2014/01/20/touring-null-space-labs-another-la-hackerspace/
[18:23] <craag> Steve_G0TDJ: Sorry to hear the winds still aren't in your favour. Good luck with the talk this evening though!
[18:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers Phil, just about to leave :-)
[18:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Speak to you soon! 73..
[18:25] <craag> 73s!
[18:26] <Willdude123> I THINK i CAN COPY AT 90% FOR k AND m NOW
[18:26] <Willdude123> Oops
[18:27] <Willdude123> Despite the fact I should be doing french homework
[18:27] Lunar_Lander (~kevin@p5488820E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[18:27] <LazyLeopard> Heh
[18:27] mclane (~quassel@p5498D812.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[18:28] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:29] <Willdude123> Wait no
[18:29] <Willdude123> I can't
[18:33] SpeedEvil (~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[18:35] Willdude123_ (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) joined #highaltitude.
[18:35] WillTablet (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[18:42] SpeedEvil (~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude.
[18:44] Willdude123_ (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[18:44] steve_2e0vet (5e082b10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.8.43.16) joined #highaltitude.
[18:44] <steve_2e0vet> can anyone recommend a decent IRC client
[18:46] <mclane> which os?
[18:46] Nick change: priyesh_ -> priyesh
[18:46] <Upu> This will be contentious but mIRC for windows
[18:47] <mclane> quassel or xchat for linux
[18:47] <daveake> I used hexchat for Windows
[18:47] <steve_2e0vet> win 7
[18:47] <daveake> use
[18:48] <steve_2e0vet> hexchat has a missing dll and i cannot be bothered hunting for it
[18:48] <Upu> mIRC but its not free
[18:48] WillTablet (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) joined #highaltitude.
[18:51] Steve_mirc_2e0ve (~sdfroggat@94.8.43.16) joined #highaltitude.
[18:51] steve_2e0vet (5e082b10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.8.43.16) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[18:52] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> mIrc it is, now that was simple and effot free to install
[18:59] Steve_mirc_2e0ve (sdfroggat@94.8.43.16) left #highaltitude.
[19:00] mauhen (521f85f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.31.133.242) joined #highaltitude.
[19:00] Steve_mirc_2e0ve (~sdfroggat@94.8.43.16) joined #highaltitude.
[19:03] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> i got a DRC file fromOSHPARK, anyone know how I load it in to eagle
[19:03] <Willdude123> found some commercial 50 baud rtty
[19:03] <Willdude123> Can't decode
[19:04] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Now QRT
[19:05] DL1SGP1 (~DL1SGP@p5B043D56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude.
[19:05] Steve_G0TDJ (d49f4aee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.159.74.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[19:06] DL1SGP2 (~DL1SGP@dhcp213.signon4.uk.beevpn.com) joined #highaltitude.
[19:08] DL1SGP (~DL1SGP@dhcp214.signon3.uk.beevpn.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[19:09] DL1SGP1 (~DL1SGP@p5B043D56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[19:23] kpiman (56a2ecff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.162.236.255) joined #highaltitude.
[19:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> Willdude123: where?
[19:25] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-163-166-232.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[19:26] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) joined #highaltitude.
[19:34] <Willdude123> Reb-SM3ULC: 5mhz ish
[19:34] <Willdude123> 5.020
[19:36] <Willdude123> https://www.dropbox.com/s/oxp670qq47dt6jq/5mhz.wav
[19:37] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[19:37] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[19:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> Willdude123: slm solomons island, according to websdr
[19:41] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-163-166-232.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[19:41] <Willdude123> slm?
[19:41] <Willdude123> Right
[19:41] <Willdude123> But what is that?
[19:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> no idea :)
[19:44] <Reb-SM3ULC> been trying to get rtty at 11038, weatherstuff, for practice.. just can't get the right settings
[19:45] <mikestir> Willdude123: something to do with this maybe? http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=slim2
[19:45] <mikestir> there's an antenna in the picture
[19:45] <mikestir> although admittedly it doesn't look like an HF one
[19:48] <nats`> Steve_mirc_2e0ve DRC in what format ?
[19:48] <nats`> usually you need CAM tool to process that
[19:48] <nats`> like cam350 visual cam or other just for example
[19:49] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> nats` sorted now thanks
[19:50] <nats`> oky :)
[19:50] <nats`> I often use oshpark and never got a drc from them is there a specific reason ?
[19:50] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> does it matter that the tracks cross between JP2 and the ATMEGA http://imgur.com/aux6W1W
[19:50] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> or will they be shorted
[19:51] <nats`> same layer = shorted
[19:51] <nats`> you're basically drawing copper
[19:51] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> thats what i thought
[19:51] <mikestir> and thicken up those tiny tracks
[19:51] <nats`> first board you do ?
[19:51] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> how many layers do you guys typically use in a dtracker design
[19:51] <mikestir> there's no point making them thinner than necessary in most cases
[19:51] <nats`> (I don't even understand why eagle doesn't block that)
[19:52] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> yep first board
[19:52] <nats`> Steve_mirc_2e0ve seeing your board 2 layers is enough
[19:52] <mikestir> nats`: it would fail drc
[19:52] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> the thin tracks were done by autoroute
[19:52] <mikestir> ah yes. autoroute
[19:52] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> it passed
[19:52] <nats`> forget about autoroute
[19:52] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> oh i havent tried with the wires crossing yet
[19:53] <nats`> autoroute is valid only when you do clear and good constraint rules
[19:53] <nats`> + on your board autoroute is clearly not needed
[19:53] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> it FAILED
[19:53] <mclane> have a look to the ublox hw integration manual
[19:53] <nats`> mikestir it fails DRC but seems so stupid to me to let him draw that anyway
[19:53] <mclane> I doubt that your antenna design will work
[19:53] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> why?
[19:53] jeffewil (4d67a832@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.103.168.50) joined #highaltitude.
[19:54] <nats`> the SMA is the antenna output ?
[19:54] <mclane> the antenna needs to be free of ground plane
[19:54] <mclane> (I mean the gps antenna)
[19:54] <mikestir> there isn't any ground plane, which is another problem
[19:54] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> havent got that far yet
[19:54] <nats`> you need a bigger antenna track
[19:55] <mikestir> I like to do a ground pour on the bottom and via grounds through to it to get rid of some airwires first
[19:55] adwiens (~adwiens@108-254-105-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) joined #highaltitude.
[19:55] <mikestir> eagle will cut through the ground fill if you switch layers anyway
[19:55] <mikestir> and as mclane says you need to leave a void in it under the gps antenna
[19:56] <nats`> and put the antenna for gps far away from the module
[19:56] <mclane> turn it by 90 degrees away from the ublox chip
[19:56] <mikestir> and put your decoupling caps next to the thing their decoupling
[19:56] <mikestir> they're*
[19:57] <mclane> it is also good practice to route e.g. horizontally on the top and vertically on the bottom
[19:58] <mclane> specifically when designs become more complex
[19:58] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> i know i should really do that but then I have air wires all over the place, im starting to think i am not cut out for eagle
[19:58] <nats`> http://imgur.com/uP4l5ef <= Steve_mirc_2e0ve using groundplane will help a little
[19:59] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-163-166-232.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[19:59] <nats`> you'll not bother to wire the ground and you'll see quicker the point you need to do cleanly
[19:59] <nats`> don't give up first board is often a little tedious :)
[19:59] <mclane> take your time, pcb design is really an art!
[20:00] <mikestir> yeah pcb layout is a whole branch of engineering in its own right
[20:00] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> ive been on it 6 months lol
[20:00] <Steve_mirc_2e0ve> ok time to get on youtube and see how to do the ground plane
[20:00] <mikestir> polygon tool
[20:01] <nats`> Steve_mirc_2e0ve just remember once out of the schematic your basically drawing conductive copper
[20:01] <mclane> rastnet
[20:01] <mikestir> draw around the outside, then use the name tool to assign it to the net (GND or 0V or whatever), then ratsnest to show the pour
[20:04] ATCC (5207d160@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.7.209.96) joined #highaltitude.
[20:18] ATCC (5207d160@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.7.209.96) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[20:18] Natio (~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[20:21] LeoBodnar (4e97ca1d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.151.202.29) joined #highaltitude.
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> evening *
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> ping eroomde Laurenceb
[20:24] S_Mark (~S_Mark@host31-54-145-107.range31-54.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> hey LeoBodnar
[20:25] <LeoBodnar> hey Lunar_Lander
[20:27] ibanezmatt13 (5697ca79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.151.202.121) joined #highaltitude.
[20:27] <Willdude123> Ahem ahem waste of electromagnetic spectrum
[20:27] <mikestir> what is? tv?
[20:27] es5nhc (~tarmo@178-21-244-214.wmx.levira.ee) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, how's life?
[20:28] Gadget-Mac (~swp@13.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Quit: Gadget-Mac
[20:28] <Willdude123> http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2014/01/8k-yes-8k-broadcasts-just-took-a-major-step-forward/
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> is flowing by
[20:28] <Willdude123> mikestir: forgot to paste link
[20:28] <Willdude123> But yes, that is too
[20:28] <Willdude123> We can haz radio
[20:29] <Willdude123> I propose broadcast TV be outlawed so we can have all the bandwidth
[20:29] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-163-166-232.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> Broadcast TV going away would just mean it's sold to mobile
[20:32] <mfa298> if you got rid of broadcast radio you'll start needing to loose lots of other bandwidth to give mobile/wifi enough for everyone wanting to stream eastenders as soon as it becomes available.
[20:32] <Willdude123> True
[20:32] <mfa298> (note other soaps are available or better quality TV if you desire it)
[20:33] <LeoBodnar> civilisation is vile
[20:33] <Willdude123> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1501
[20:33] <Willdude123> Wow
[20:34] <mikestir> why? small?
[20:34] <mikestir> http://www.dfrobot.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_38&product_id=1075
[20:35] <Willdude123> I stand corrected
[20:36] <Upu> My tracker is just an AVR based thing Willdude123
[20:36] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/08DAv
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> the design is Upu approved
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:37] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[20:37] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[20:37] <Willdude123> Upu: cool
[20:38] <Willdude123> I really must get my board soldered. But I have this weird complex which I can only call a procrastination complex
[20:38] <Willdude123> Because I think it is one
[20:38] <Willdude123> It's annoying, I want to get it done
[20:40] <mfa298> Willdude123: I think your problem is that you've started way too many things so never do enough on any of them to make progress.
[20:40] malgar (~malgar@adsl-ull-82-80.46-151.net24.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[20:46] <gonzo_> sounds a familiar complaint!
[20:47] <mfa298> I know that feeling. One of these days I might actually finish something I start (other than eating food).
[20:48] jedas (~gedas@78-62-84-157.static.zebra.lt) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[20:51] malgar (~malgar@ge-19-113-81.service.infuturo.it) joined #highaltitude.
[20:56] kuldeepdhaka_ (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[21:03] <Willdude123> mfa298: agreed
[21:04] g0hww (~g0hww@46-18-104-230.static.vivaciti.org) joined #highaltitude.
[21:05] <Willdude123> I'm trying to learn networking, study spanish, not fail at school, do extraordinarily well in certain subjects, not get into trouble at school and do homework. And that's before I've even started on any of the technical stuff
[21:05] WillTablet (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[21:08] <mfa298> I'd call learning networking technical stuff.
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> Willdude123: And you diddn't even mention girls.
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> (Or boys, or sheep, whatever)
[21:09] kuldeepdhaka_ (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) joined #highaltitude.
[21:09] <mfa298> My suggestion would be choose one thing you want to make some progress on this week, then spend an hour on it every day (assuming you have some time after school and homework)
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> Learning spanish for any other reason than that it was required to pick a language?
[21:10] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-171-203-162.range86-171.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[21:11] mauhen (521f85f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.31.133.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[21:11] <Willdude123> SpeedEvil: both, except sheep :P
[21:12] <Willdude123> SpeedEvil: and yeah, as it sounds really really nice.
[21:12] CHRISG7OGX (56b1c618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.177.198.24) joined #highaltitude.
[21:13] <Willdude123> mfa298: and I sorta have to do networking every week
[21:13] <Willdude123> Might be manageable. I think it's just I have so much to do I just don't do it
[21:14] <nats`> start by doing less IRC
[21:15] <Willdude123> nats`: already did. I decided to take a hiatus from a certain channel because it was getting in the way (and I was conducting myself in an inappropriate manner)
[21:15] mclane (~quassel@p5498D812.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[21:15] <Willdude123> Hmm. The phrase "Just Do It" comes to mind
[21:17] <mfa298> most of the networking covered in Tanenbaum is well beyond the sort of networking the average person does.
[21:17] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[21:17] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[21:18] <Willdude123> mfa298: I'm doing a course which uses it as a textbook and skims over some of the complex bits
[21:19] Action: mfa298 hopes said course isn't CCNA (or some other Cisco thing)
[21:19] CHRISG7OGX (56b1c618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.177.198.24) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[21:20] <Willdude123> mfa298: it's not. Why?
[21:21] <mfa298> some of them are very Cisco specific and they're potentially not that useful unless you're actually working with Cisco kit.
[21:21] mauhen (521f85f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.31.133.242) joined #highaltitude.
[21:21] <mfa298> Like most technical Qualifications I think you also need to be doing exams every couple of years to keep the qualification.
[21:22] <Willdude123> It's weird. I have so much to do and so little to do at the same time
[21:23] <mfa298> an example of Cisco weirdness is that I have an access list like "permit a.b.c.168, wildcard bits 0.0.0.7" on my adsl router (for a /29 network)
[21:23] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[21:24] <Willdude123> mfa298: no offence, but I didn't understand much of that
[21:24] jeffewil (4d67a832@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.103.168.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[21:24] <mfa298> I think if you listed out all the things you're trying to do you'de have a very long list. The trick to making real progress is to activly ignore some things for a bit and concentrate on others (Hence my suggestion of choose one item and spend an hour on it every day for a week)
[21:25] <Willdude123> I need to work on my procrastination, nah maybe tomorrow
[21:27] <mfa298> In terms of a network most people define a network as something like 192.168.1.0/24 or 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 (/24 and 255.255.255.0 being the netmask). In some places Cisco use a host mask (XOR of netmask) so for the same network you'd have 0.0.0.255.
[21:28] <YO9ICT> Hi, any news on VAYU ?
[21:28] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[21:28] Herman-PB0AHX (~Herman-PB@53560375.cm-6-7a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #highaltitude.
[21:28] <mfa298> YO9ICT: I think launch has been postponed due to wind directions
[21:29] <YO9ICT> Ok ! Tnx
[21:31] YO9ICT (~YO9ICT@leu-a1.eregie.pub.ro) left irc:
[21:33] <Willdude123> Is the situation in this country regarding planes that are out of view of the controller?
[21:33] <Willdude123> *likely to change
[21:33] <Willdude123> Drone rendezvous with HAB = awesome
[21:35] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-163-166-232.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[21:38] crash_18974_ (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> This is only the case for RC licenced stuff.
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> If you go for a proper 'drone' licence - it's probably not the case.
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> Drone licences are considerably more paperwork, and expense.
[21:39] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[21:39] Nick change: crash_18974_ -> crash_18974
[21:39] <Willdude123> SpeedEvil: what kinda thing do people need to do/prove to get one?
[21:40] Gadget-Mac (~swp@13.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) joined #highaltitude.
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> I should really know this.
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> I skimmed the regulations a couple of years back when they changed, and they looked way out of reach f the casual amateur.
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> In some ways the requirements were not unreasonable IIRC the proofs were.
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> But it's been a while.
[21:46] crash_18974_ (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[21:47] <Willdude123> It's a shame nobody ever seems to go on GB3ET
[21:47] <mfa298> it's a bit too far from me.
[21:48] <mfa298> If you can hear GB3JB that seems to be pretty active at the moment.
[21:49] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[21:50] jeffewil (4d67a832@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.103.168.50) joined #highaltitude.
[21:51] <jeffewil> Hi is jcoxon there, I need some help compling dl-fldigi
[21:51] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[21:52] <Willdude123> mfa298: can't
[21:54] crash_18974_ (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[21:55] Nick change: Adran -> btdubz
[21:56] <jcoxon> jeffewil, yup
[21:56] <jcoxon> hows it going?
[21:56] <jeffewil> so..... finally found a version of xcode that works - but can find no references in the preferences of the command line bundles - is it included by default?
[21:57] crash_18974_ (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[21:57] <jcoxon> jeffewil, hmmm its not normally
[21:58] <jcoxon> what version of xcodE?
[21:58] crash_18974_ (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[21:58] <jeffewil> 3.26 - the most up to date one that works on snow lepoard
[21:59] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[21:59] <jeffewil> I've run the first line of your instructions and it's chugging away.....
[21:59] <jcoxon> oh right
[21:59] <jcoxon> with homebrew?
[21:59] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[22:00] sulky (sulky@gateway/shell/cadoth.net/x-jdmjpjzfpcjbdcxt) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[22:00] <jeffewil> yes - installed home brew too
[22:01] <jeffewil> I'm planning on putting all your lines in apart from the reference to 10.9 mavericks - is that correct for 10.6.8?
[22:01] sa6bss (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[22:01] <jcoxon> yeah i think so
[22:02] <jcoxon> you might bump into some errors
[22:02] <jcoxon> but we'll get past them
[22:02] <jeffewil> so far so good...
[22:02] <jcoxon> excellent
[22:04] sulky (sulky@gateway/shell/cadoth.net/x-alyzlstfnxcqhoyv) joined #highaltitude.
[22:06] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[22:06] <jcoxon> jeffewil, i need to sleep but will be around tomorrow
[22:06] <jcoxon> you can always email me as well
[22:06] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-163-166-232.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[22:06] <jeffewil> cool, thanks before you go how long woudl you expect it to take
[22:06] jeffewil (4d67a832@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.103.168.50) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[22:07] <Upu> alas he ran out of cpus
[22:07] Steve_mirc_2e0ve (~sdfroggat@94.8.43.16) left irc:
[22:08] OH7HJ (~Juha@dsl-jnsbrasgw2-50dfa7-205.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[22:08] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[22:14] number10 (56850fc3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.133.15.195) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[22:18] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-171-203-162.range86-171.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[22:20] SiC- (Simon@host-92-25-246-167.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude.
[22:20] SiC- (Simon@host-92-25-246-167.as13285.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[22:21] <nats`> guyz does FL-Digi have a FSK mode ?
[22:21] <DL1SGP2> salut nats`
[22:22] <nats`> yop DL1SGP2 :)
[22:26] kuldeepdhaka_ (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL1SGP2 and nats` :)
[22:33] WillTablet (~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123) joined #highaltitude.
[22:33] <nats`> hi Lunar_Lander :)
[22:34] <WillTablet> Hello all
[22:37] bertrik (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) joined #highaltitude.
[22:37] bertrik (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) left irc: Changing host
[22:37] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) joined #highaltitude.
[22:37] DL7AD_mobile (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) joined #highaltitude.
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> hi WillTablet
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello DL7AD_mobile
[22:40] <DL7AD_mobile> Good evening Lunar_Lander
[22:40] ibanezmatt13 (5697ca79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.151.202.121) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[22:41] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[22:43] crash_18974_ (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[22:44] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[22:44] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb ka-ping
[22:44] Nick change: crash_18974_ -> crash_18974
[22:45] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated!
[22:47] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-171-203-162.range86-171.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[22:50] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: yo
[22:52] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[22:54] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[22:58] mauhen (521f85f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.31.133.242) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[23:01] DL7AD_mobile (~androirc@ip-109-45-1-75.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[23:03] ms7821 (~Mark@rack.ms) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[23:09] ms7821 (~Mark@rack.ms) joined #highaltitude.
[23:10] crash_18974_ (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[23:11] mikestir (~quassel@cpc10-brmb8-2-0-cust107.1-3.cable.virginm.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[23:13] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
[23:13] Nick change: crash_18974_ -> crash_18974
[23:15] <fsphil> nice talk keith packard give at LCA on radio and FEC: http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.conf.au/2014/Monday/232-Digital_Radio_Modulation_and_Coding_for_Amateur_Rockets_-_Keith_Packard.mp4
[23:17] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude.
[23:19] <shenki> some very strong opinions on FEC :)
[23:20] sa6bss (~kvirc@81-236-232-232-no30.tbcn.telia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[23:22] S_Mark (~S_Mark@host31-54-145-107.range31-54.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[23:22] S_Mark (~S_Mark@host31-54-145-107.range31-54.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[23:24] <fsphil> there seemed to be a fair bit of radio stuff at this years conf
[23:27] <shenki> yeah, there was a miniconf on tuesday (or was it monday? One of those two)
[23:32] <fsphil> watching the magnetic loop one now
[23:33] malgar (~malgar@ge-19-113-81.service.infuturo.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[23:35] S_Mark (~S_Mark@host31-54-145-107.range31-54.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving...
[23:36] kpiman (56a2ecff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.162.236.255) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[23:38] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[23:38] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[23:43] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[23:43] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[23:49] bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[23:55] Nick change: btdubz -> Adran
[23:56] Herman-PB0AHX (~Herman-PB@53560375.cm-6-7a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc:
[23:58] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[23:58] crash_18974 (~crash_@2605:8900:1000:1001:8:0:e:2) joined #highaltitude.
[23:59] Lunar_Lander (~kevin@p5488820E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend
[00:00] --- Wed Jan 22 2014