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[07:20] <uu4jlm_Valery> dl-fldigi-DL3.1 >4A:068B5 ?>G5<C =5 >B:@K205BAO ?@>3@0<<0, E>BO =0 42CE 4@C38E  A B>9 65 >?5@0F8>==:>9 2A5 =>@<0;L=>????
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[07:23] <uu4jlm_Valery> DL-Fldigi-DL3.1 Prompt why not open the program, although the other two PCs with the same XP3 okay???
[07:44] <x-f> uu4jlm_Valery, have you tried deleting dl-fldigi's settings?
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[07:45] <x-f> on Win7 i have them in C:\Users\x-f\dl-fldigi.files, just rename that folder and launch dl-fldigi again
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[08:46] <jcoxon> morning all
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[08:47] <Upu> morning jcoxon
[08:50] <jcoxon> lovely weather
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[08:51] <Upu> yeah not sure I'll be launching today
[08:52] <Upu> did a run test on the new boards, somehow and this wasn't a design goal, I've managed to increase the run time by 40%
[08:52] <Upu> 28.5 hours from a AAA doing THOR
[08:52] <jcoxon> interesting
[08:53] <jcoxon> must be slightly more efficent?
[08:53] <jcoxon> or its it component efficiency?
[08:53] <Upu> yeah I think everything is slightly more efficient
[08:53] <Upu> stepup
[08:53] <Upu> GPS
[08:53] <Upu> radio
[08:53] <Upu> 2Mhz
[08:53] <Upu> all adds up
[08:53] <jcoxon> indeed
[08:53] <Upu> 18mA in total
[08:53] <jcoxon> wow that is good
[08:53] <Upu> sorry 18mA in savings
[08:54] <Upu> 42mA continious from the battery
[08:54] <Upu> 30mA continuous actual
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[08:54] <jcoxon> are you oding continous txing?
[08:54] <Upu> yes
[08:54] <jcoxon> or leo style
[08:54] <Upu> continuous atm
[08:55] <Upu> need to look at the code as its still only enough for 5 hours from a lipo
[08:55] <Upu> you ca turn the GPS off entirely on these boards
[08:55] <Upu> however thats going to be some fun coding
[08:55] <jcoxon> :-)
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[08:56] <jcoxon> i'm currently playing with some old 868mhz rfm22s
[08:57] <f5vnf> hope you in the Uk are ok, my ex neighbours in aberystwyth seem to have taken a pounding
[08:58] <Upu> yeah its quite mild here, suspect the Pennines are taking the brunt of it
[08:58] <Upu> Yeah 868Mhz is something we should look at using
[08:59] <jcoxon> Upu, i've got a plan
[08:59] <Upu> uh oh :)
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[08:59] <jcoxon> i know
[08:59] <jcoxon> though rfm22s being EOL is annoying
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[09:05] <mikestir> jcoxon: they aren't
[09:05] <mikestir> there's a lot of FUD floating around about that, but they are "not recommended for new designs", not EOL
[09:05] <mikestir> and anyway, there's always the RFM69W and its variants
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[09:37] <eroomde> and we're back
[09:37] <darkstar-2001> Indeed!
[09:37] <adamgreig> you might enjoy this eroomde. set up owncloud, self-hosted dropbox, includes android app with camera upload
[09:38] <eroomde> nice
[09:38] <adamgreig> now my storage is equal to the space on my linode, it can be encrypted at rest, it's on my linode not dropbox's amazon, and I still get photo upload and sharing URLs etc
[09:38] <eroomde> and nbviwer works?
[09:38] <adamgreig> the web interface is a little less refined than dropbox but surprisingly complete. it also does calendars, contacts, etc
[09:38] <adamgreig> haven't seen if nbviewer has stopped whining about my certificate
[09:39] <Darkside> adamgreig: that sounds nice
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[09:39] <adamgreig> no indeed nbviewer is still upset at my SSL certificate
[09:39] <adamgreig> that's very frustrating
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[09:44] <adamgreig> eroomde: got myself a shorter URL for things too
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[09:44] <adamgreig> https://agg.io/
[09:44] <eroomde> ?
[09:44] <adamgreig> (g happens to be my middle initial)
[09:44] <eroomde> nice
[09:45] <adamgreig> so "set up a dropbox alternative and potential contacts/calendar alternative" complete. currently setting up a VPN so my phone's internet is always crypted until it hits my server
[09:45] <adamgreig> handy for dodgy public wifi
[09:45] <Darkside> nice
[09:45] <Darkside> what are you using to push traffic from your phon to the VPN?
[09:46] <adamgreig> android has built in VPN support
[09:46] <Darkside> oh cool
[09:46] <Darkside> also Orbot
[09:46] <adamgreig> you can also tell it that a given VPN must be always-on
[09:46] <adamgreig> tor would be fine but I don't care about anonyminity in the same sense
[09:46] <adamgreig> just crypted until it gets to a reasonably trusted internet link
[09:46] <adamgreig> prevents obvious unsecured wifi and/or untrusted-but-secured wifi issues
[09:47] <Darkside> yup
[09:47] <adamgreig> should also function to avoid the new UK ISP web filtering
[09:47] <adamgreig> almost working - phone can connect to the VPN OK, so the ipsec and certificates are all fine
[09:47] <Darkside> ahh yes
[09:47] <adamgreig> but the traffic isn't getting to the internet. or isn't getting back to me.
[09:47] <adamgreig> suspect firewalls are to blame somehow but debugging is a nightmare :P
[09:47] <mikestir> adamgreig: there's an openvpn client for android - that works well
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[09:48] <mikestir> and it's easier to deal with firewalls because it's just a single udp port
[09:48] <adamgreig> mikestir: any point using that when android has solid built in vpn?
[09:48] <Darkside> what VPN systems dos it support
[09:48] <mikestir> well the built in options are ipsec (pain) or pptp (crap)
[09:48] <Darkside> ahh
[09:48] <Darkside> ouch
[09:48] <mikestir> the openvpn one uses the built-in framework
[09:48] <adamgreig> i'm using ipsec so it's also just one UDP port to the server
[09:48] <adamgreig> it supports ipsec without l2tp
[09:48] <Darkside> yah openvpn ftw
[09:48] <adamgreig> (now)
[09:48] <mikestir> in my case I had the openvpn server anyway, so it was a no-brainer
[09:49] <adamgreig> yea fair enough
[09:49] <adamgreig> might end up doing that :P would prefer the pure ipsec version if possible
[09:49] <adamgreig> doesn't even have to set up a tunnel or fuss with a private IP range
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[10:20] <adamgreig> oh deeeerp
[10:20] <adamgreig> -A FORWARD DROP
[10:20] <adamgreig> stupid old default rule
[10:20] <adamgreig> ok vpn all working now
[10:20] <adamgreig> that's so happy
[10:20] <adamgreig> automatic vpn traversal, no private subnet required, no tunneling
[10:20] <adamgreig> just ipsec transport
[10:20] <adamgreig> and works with stock android
[10:20] <adamgreig> with no apps or root
[10:20] <adamgreig> yay
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[11:26] <MLow> UpuWork: got my package
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[11:58] <ibanezmatt13> bit of a write up if anybody's bored :) http://www.norb.co.uk/
[12:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> kool
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[12:06] <craag> ibanezmatt13: Any particular reason to go with the taoglas antenna?
[12:07] <ibanezmatt13> Not really craag if I'm honest. Just really because it was in the Eagle library :)
[12:07] <ibanezmatt13> I've not had any trouble with it indoors so I'm hopeful it should be ok
[12:07] <craag> Fair enough. Nice board!
[12:08] <ibanezmatt13> thank you! It's my first, I'm really happy with it. Can't believe it works actually :P
[12:08] <craag> No rework required?
[12:08] <ibanezmatt13> nope
[12:08] <ibanezmatt13> well
[12:08] <ibanezmatt13> I had to bodge it a little by soldering a wire from the SD card socket to GND, but that's all
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[12:09] <craag> Still a lot less than on any PCB I've done so far, well done!
[12:09] <ibanezmatt13> thank you :)
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[12:10] <ibanezmatt13> I'm in the middle of designing a fast data logging IMU for a model rocket too. Hopefully that'll work
[12:10] <craag> I just watched rocket clip on your twitter :)
[12:10] <craag> matt has been working on one for model rockets here at susf
[12:10] <ibanezmatt13> LOL, my brother enjoys flying rockets I make for him.
[12:11] <ibanezmatt13> oh cool
[12:11] <craag> You made that rocket from scratch?
[12:11] <ibanezmatt13> well, it was a kit but we're designing one at the minute from scratch
[12:11] <ibanezmatt13> but yes, build it from nothing
[12:12] <ibanezmatt13> Our next one is teetering on the brink of being able to fly without CAA permission.
[12:13] <craag> Ah cool. I've been itching to buy one of the model kits for a while. Had one when I was young but got shouted at the first time I flew it in our local park, so that was the only time it flew.
[12:13] <ibanezmatt13> haha, our first flight attracted a lot of attention from local neighbours. It's quite exciting yeah
[12:14] <craag> I bet, that's a rather big model rocket!
[12:14] <craag> what size motor?
[12:14] <ibanezmatt13> The one we're hoping to fly soon is G powered
[12:14] <ibanezmatt13> can't do H without license
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[12:14] <ibanezmatt13> the one on the vid is a D motor, can't go much bigger for my brother :P
[12:15] <craag> Here's the susf rocket-logger repo if you want to take a look: https://github.com/suspaceflight/rocket-logger
[12:16] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[12:16] <ibanezmatt13> If you have Python, you might fancy a play around with this I wrote: https://github.com/ibanezmatt13/NORB-Rocket-Predictor
[12:16] <ibanezmatt13> you need a few modules though like matplotlib, numpy, etc. But it works
[12:17] <craag> Do I have python... why do you have to ask? ;)
[12:17] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[12:17] <craag> Yeah I saw a few screenshots of this you posted a while back
[12:17] <craag> looks cool
[12:17] <ibanezmatt13> yeah. A fair few equations in it. A bit of A level physics and mechanics in there
[12:19] <ibanezmatt13> off for some lunch, bbl. Thanks for reading the blog too craag
[12:19] <craag> cya, keep up the good work!
[12:20] <ibanezmatt13> don't worry. 2014 has lots planned for NORB ;) laters
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[12:25] <MLow> so, im in the usa, and there doesnt seem to be a lot of rtty usage for balloons
[12:26] <MLow> i can list my launch all i want, but i dont expect there to be a mass of stations listening
[12:26] <MLow> is it safer to stick with low baud for reliability?
[12:28] <craag> MLow: Stick with 50 baud unless you have a reason to need more
[12:29] <craag> It's still a lot more frequent updates than APRS!
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[12:29] <MLow> well it seems like if a higher baud would have more of a chance for proper decode, but possibly less reliability at the same time, idk
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[12:31] <craag> MLow: 70cm LOS tends to be a reasonably flat noise channel
[12:32] <craag> If the channel gets fast-fadey, faster baudrate might do better, but this doesn't tend to be the case.
[12:35] <fsphil> decent interleaving and FEC would solve that at lower baudrates too
[12:35] <craag> mm
[12:35] <fsphil> 50 baud is quite slow though
[12:35] <fsphil> I've never had a problem using 300
[12:36] <craag> It's still >>APRS :)
[12:36] <craag> And more tolerant of antenna issues (given it's a first launch)
[12:36] <fsphil> true, even 50 baud can put through more data than aprs
[12:36] <fsphil> not without annoying the aprs elders anyway :)
[12:36] <gurgalof> FEC would be nice
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[12:38] <fsphil> TTTY
[12:40] <craag> hmm not a bad idea
[12:41] <gurgalof> try it out :D
[12:41] <craag> would be easy to hack dl-fldigi for too
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[12:41] <craag> (given the code already exists in ti)
[12:41] <craag> *it
[12:41] <fsphil> yea
[12:41] <fsphil> and the symbols are 4-bits long, easy to pack into 8-bit characters
[12:42] <fsphil> shame to have to rely on the start/stop bits though
[12:45] <gurgalof> can't we just fsk out the thor bits?
[12:46] <gurgalof> it would ofcourse not be tty anymore
[12:46] <craag> Not sure how easy it would be to do symbol-sync then.
[12:47] <gurgalof> ah right, clockrecovery from the bits?
[12:48] <craag> bit sync is easy enough, but working out when one symbol ends and another starts?
[12:48] <craag> This is why rtty has start/stop bits.
[12:49] <craag> Not sure how THOR does it though, so it may just work :)
[12:49] <gurgalof> I don't know how thor does it either
[12:49] <mfa298> assuming the same as domino it's based on the shift values
[12:50] <mfa298> from memory for domino the first symbol is always a shift <=8
[12:50] <fsphil> it uses the varicode from MFSK
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[12:51] <fsphil> each character ends with a "00"
[12:51] <fsphil> and begins with a 1
[12:51] <fsphil> so I guess it just looks for "001"
[12:54] <craag> fsphil: You'd need something before that for symbol sync though if you got rid of start/stop bits?
[12:54] <craag> I'm struggling to find a proper tech doc about thor
[12:56] <fsphil> I'm not too familiar with the decoder. it probably just looks for frequency shifts at the expected symbol rate
[12:56] <fsphil> there is a shift for every symbol, the frequency can't stay the same
[12:58] <craag> I was meaning if you dropped it back to 2-fsk (rtty without start/stop), but then why not just use THOR itself if you're going to do that... ignore me.
[12:58] <fsphil> aah, rtty without the start/stop bits is trickier
[12:59] <fsphil> I dont think it would be too hard to calculate the phase of bits
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[13:17] <x-f> eroomde, http://i.imgur.com/xe9F6A3.png - why the banana? :) (source: http://www.cusf.co.uk/wiki/_media/amsat2009.pdf)
[13:18] <fsphil> bait
[13:19] <x-f> for space monkeys?
[13:19] <fsphil> I've said too much already
[13:19] <x-f> :|
[13:21] <fsphil> explosive link thing
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[13:39] <eroomde> x-f: science
[13:39] <eroomde> it came down black and freeze-dried
[13:40] <gurgalof> did you taste it?
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[13:40] <eroomde> it was a bit too frozen iirc
[13:40] <eroomde> we have also flown a bottle of port
[13:40] <eroomde> (spaceport, har har)
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[13:41] <eroomde> 5 out of 6 thought the spaceport tasted better in a blind taste test
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[13:42] <gurgalof> :D
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[13:44] <x-f> :)
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[14:16] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/oxXL9fE.jpg
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[14:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
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[14:27] <ibanezmatt13> Anyone know how to get the radio to play back through dl-fldigi? Having trouble with it
[14:28] <ibanezmatt13> Sound card is configured correctly. The speakers I've set for output are working fine if I play music or something
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do you mean how to get the audio into dl-fldigi ?
[14:28] <ibanezmatt13> how to play it back through the speakers so I can hear it.
[14:29] <ibanezmatt13> It's coming through fine, I see the waves
[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> But you want it to play out of the speakers at the same time ?
[14:29] <ibanezmatt13> yes
[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Which audio source path - Microphone ?
[14:30] <ibanezmatt13> Capture -> Line in Output -> Speakers
[14:30] <ibanezmatt13> portaudio
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> In that case I just have Line-Input feeding the speakers, an then select Port Audio | Windows Direct Sound Devices - Primary source
[14:33] <ibanezmatt13> doesn't seem to work for me. It's ok, no problem
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/index.php?ind=3
[14:34] <mfa298> I think you need to go into the sound settings in windows and tell it to listen to the device.
[14:34] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try it
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[14:34] <mfa298> the dl-fldigi output setting is only for what dl-fldigi sends
[14:35] <ibanezmatt13> ah
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is the Line -In not feeding the speakewrs then ?
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[14:35] <ibanezmatt13> no, the line in goes into the PC. I've sorted it now
[14:35] <mfa298> on win8 I right click on the speaker -> recording settings, then right click on the device I'm using -> properties
[14:35] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah, I had to tick "listen to device"
[14:36] <ibanezmatt13> ah, doesn't RTTY 50 baud sound lovely
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do you use VAC ?
[14:36] <ibanezmatt13> no, don't think so
[14:36] <mfa298> DominoEX16 sounds even better :D
[14:37] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah, I listened to it on YouTube once :)
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah OK it just makes it so simple, then you can turn on individual paths to the speakers or multipile as needed so yuo can listen to None, One or several
[14:37] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, that sounds quite helpful
[14:38] <mfa298> VAC might be a bit overkill for use with a real radio. It's very good with the SDR options though.
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes that is probably true!
[14:40] <mfa298> then again for real radios I almost always use ones with a data port so I can get live audio from the radio if i want it.
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[15:26] <Upu> ping nigelvh
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[15:48] <chrisstubbs> Well I'm not at all impressed with the gopro hero 3 silver
[15:48] <chrisstubbs> getting sick of having to keep taking it out of its mounting and pull the battery out becuase it randomly freezes
[15:49] <daveake> latest f/w?
[15:49] <chrisstubbs> yeah updated it 2 days ago
[15:49] <chrisstubbs> may be the sd card but its a class 10 samsung so would think not
[15:50] <daveake> Mine got into a state where it wouldn't start up and wouldn't charge
[15:50] <daveake> found some reset instructions which eventually worked
[15:51] <daveake> There are so many people with the same problems that it seems to me that the f/w is still immature
[15:52] <chrisstubbs> yeah, the quality is nice when it works
[15:52] <chrisstubbs> right now i just wish they put a reset button on the darn thing
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[15:53] <daveake> yup
[15:54] <gurgalof> or make it not freeze, that would be better
[15:55] <chrisstubbs> yes that would be a handy feature
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[16:14] <Babs> chrisstubbs - the Hero2 is IMHO still the best one to opt for for ballooning
[16:14] <Babs> or so says my dataset of 2 launches
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[16:18] <gurgalof> hero3 is smaller and lighter
[16:21] <Babs> the thing is, its not reliable enough as far as I can see. the key thing with the gopro before is that its interface was rubbish, its resolution, fps etc. could all be beaten BUT you could chuck it out of a car at a million miles an hour and it would still work, and that was its key selling point
[16:22] <Babs> as soon as it becomes flaky in terms of shutdown etc. its just easier to go and get another flaky camera but a higher spec one
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[16:42] <nigelvh> ping Upu
[16:42] <Upu> hey nigelvh
[16:42] <Upu> you got mail
[16:42] <nigelvh> I saw. I was just sitting down to take a look
[16:43] <Upu> just thoughts scribbled down
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[17:33] <ike> hola amigos
[17:36] <craag> Evening
[17:37] <craag> Anyone know how to add the funcube to gpredict? I can't find it in the satellite listing..
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[17:59] <mikestir> craag: it's 2013-066B
[18:00] <craag> mikestir: Tried that, not in the list either.
[18:01] <mikestir> hmm it's in mine
[18:01] <craag> http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/ ?
[18:01] <mikestir> just looking - yes seems to be
[18:01] <mikestir> unless I added it manually
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[18:03] <craag> Any search for adding it manually just gives one of the files that's already in the 'Files to Fetch'
[18:04] <mikestir> i'm trying to get it to tell me which file it's in, but it doesn't seem to do that
[18:04] <mikestir> let me see if I can find it manually...
[18:05] <craag> funcube.org.uk says it's in cubesat.txt
[18:06] <craag> But reading it, it's not there..
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[18:09] <mikestir> yeah it does appear in cubesat for me, but I can't find it if I grep the data files, which is a bit weird
[18:09] <craag> huh, so it used to be. But not any more.
[18:09] <craag> :/
[18:09] <mikestir> well I just did an update TLEs from network and the position changed slightly, implying it was updateed
[18:10] <craag> Just updated here, no new sats :(
[18:11] <mikestir> found it in ~/.config/Gpredict, so maybe I added it manually - let me see if I can extract it
[18:11] <craag> found it
[18:12] <craag> It's now called DNEPR OBJECT AE
[18:12] <mikestir> useful
[18:12] <craag> indeed..
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[18:14] <mikestir> well NORAD 39417, which is the number for 2013-066B is apparently called "DNEPR OBJECT B"
[18:14] <craag> right..
[18:14] <mikestir> were they tracking some other thing that just happened to be in the same orbit?
[18:14] <mikestir> and now they've realised?
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[18:14] <mikestir> the original elements seemed ok in terms of pass timing
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[18:15] <craag> I got AE when I realised what I was looking at here: http://funcube.org.uk/working-documents/latest-two-line-elements/
[18:16] <craag> AE / B are rather close
[18:17] <craag> I'm rather new to all of this, but have just got 2m up and running on the websdr, so thought I'd see if I could hear the funcube on it this evening :)
[18:17] <mikestir> it's dead easy
[18:17] <mikestir> I've heard stuff on the transponder standing in the garden with a scanner
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> Also - #cubesat
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> (which is largely dead)
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> There have been 6 lines since new-years.
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> And four were me.
[18:19] <craag> cheers SpeedEvil
[18:19] <craag> ha
[18:20] <mfa298> im sure that can be changed :p
[18:20] <craag> fixed :)
[18:21] <mfa298> most channels I'm in seem to have been fairly quiet recently.
[18:22] <Laurenceb_> plenty of people in there
[18:22] <Laurenceb_> shame its quiet
[18:22] <craag> now do I ask "How do I install funcube dashboard on linux?"
[18:23] <craag> I'm guessing that might brush some people up the wrong way.
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[18:27] <mikestir> ferrites have arrived for building my current balun - now I just need it to stop being wet and windy long enough to put an antenna up
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[18:28] <DL1SGP1> Hi all!
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> mikestir: I'm pondering ordering some ferrites and stuff too.
[18:31] <mikestir> SpeedEvil: I'll let you know how I get on. I got some -61 grade cores off a place on ebay
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> http://powermagnetics.co.uk/pace-components/micrometals-iron-powder-Miscellaneous/power-line-filter-applications/t520-52-micrometals-iron-powder-toroid
[18:32] <mikestir> i'm hoping my RF sig gen will have a high enough output level to drive a VWSR meter, since I don't have an antenna analyser
[18:32] <mikestir> VSWR*
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> (or similar)
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> (Silly welder project)
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[18:35] <mikestir> never came across that place when I was looking - can't remember what the equivalent micrometals composition type is though. I think -61 is an amidon one
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> They seem to be quite reasonable in price.
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> I mean - that's about 15 pounds a kilo.
[18:38] <jcoxon> evening all
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> hey
[18:39] <jcoxon> i'm working on a 868mhz rfm22 based repeater
[18:39] <jcoxon> anyone interested in helping out with ground stations
[18:39] <craag> Yes
[18:39] <craag> :)
[18:40] <jcoxon> so i've got a theory craag
[18:40] <jcoxon> and i'm building a home 868 network to test it all out
[18:40] <craag> What's the plan?
[18:41] <jcoxon> so we create ground stations
[18:41] <jcoxon> just arduino + rfm22 868 version
[18:41] <jcoxon> and set this up with full power (100mW) + perhaps an antenna that helps
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[18:42] <jcoxon> the we fly similar setups on balloons
[18:43] <jcoxon> use the 10% allowed duty cycle
[18:43] Action: craag 's mind wanders in the direction of dishes..
[18:43] <jcoxon> well
[18:43] <craag> ok
[18:43] <jcoxon> so i'm going to make a home network
[18:43] <tweetBot> @SouthTexasBLT: BLT-35 has launched!!! http://t.co/TY9nXba01h #ukhas #hamradio
[18:43] <jcoxon> of a few 868mhzs
[18:43] <jcoxon> but with one mounted on my roof (as a potential ground station)
[18:44] <jcoxon> we get others to use the same setup
[18:44] <jcoxon> and so when we fly it connects these licence exempt networks together
[18:44] <mfa298> some sort of helical might be easier than dishes.
[18:44] <jcoxon> but also we make local networks
[18:44] <jcoxon> say in southampton
[18:45] <jcoxon> or london
[18:45] <craag> well there's something suitable for this...
[18:45] <craag> it's called 6lowpan...
[18:46] <craag> And we in southampton are planning to fly a node, probably a year or more away though.
[18:47] <jcoxon> or right
[18:47] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:47] <jcoxon> prior art - better hold of on my patent app
[18:47] <jcoxon> :-p
[18:48] <craag> It's basically IP over 802.15.4 mesh networks (zigbee-like)
[18:49] <jcoxon> i've implemented a rudimentry aprs like setup
[18:49] <jcoxon> very rudimentry
[18:50] <craag> Set up with ipv6 and optimised for low power nodes (eg MSP430), failing nodes, unreliable comms, etc.
[18:50] <craag> Cool :)
[18:50] <jcoxon> in a sense that there is a byte which defines how many repeats
[18:50] <jcoxon> which the repeater -1 each time
[18:50] <jcoxon> and that it attaches its ID everytime it repeats
[18:51] <craag> Sounds good
[18:51] <jcoxon> otherwise the data is open
[18:52] <jcoxon> i'm currently getting to repeat it between 2 devices
[18:52] Action: mfa298 wonders how well 868 @100mW would get through the local re-inforced concrete.
[18:52] <jcoxon> e.g.
[18:52] <jcoxon> A,001,0>52.0,-0.0[A,B,A,B]
[18:52] <jcoxon> where its gone A->B->A->B
[18:53] <craag> nice
[18:53] <craag> simple
[18:53] <craag> and would work v well with multiple balloons!
[18:53] <jcoxon> yes it would...
[18:53] <craag> what baudrate are you using?
[18:54] <jcoxon> the current settings are using hte native setup:
[18:54] <jcoxon> GFSK_Rb2Fd5, ///< GFSK, No Manchester, Rb = 2kbs, Fd = 5kHz
[18:55] <craag> Sounds good
[18:55] <jcoxon> but navrac has a slower setting i could use
[18:55] <jcoxon> craag, interested in helping out?
[18:55] <craag> Yep
[18:55] <craag> :)
[18:55] <jcoxon> perhaps constructing a ground station
[18:55] <jcoxon> i'll start a github
[18:56] <craag> Sure... might even have an 868MHz RFM22 lying around..
[18:56] <craag> also got an 868MHz habamp that has yet to be used..
[18:56] <jcoxon> it helps to have 2
[18:56] <craag> mm
[18:56] <jcoxon> well actually its 869
[18:57] <jcoxon> let me put it up on git hub
[18:57] <jcoxon> you can have a look
[18:57] <mfa298> I think I've got an 868 RFM22 which I got to play with
[18:57] <craag> I know
[18:57] <jcoxon> hmmm i need a name
[18:57] <craag> habnet
[18:57] <mfa298> I might have to work out how to get the various bits onto some stripboard :)
[18:58] <mfa298> skynet
[18:58] <mfa298> (or maybe not)
[18:58] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:58] <craag> :P
[18:58] <jcoxon> or UKHASnet
[18:58] <jcoxon> more unique
[18:58] <craag> sure
[18:58] <jcoxon> habnet already exists
[19:00] <craag> So the solution to hab recovery will now be to launch a repeating pico near the landing site :) - sounds fun to me!
[19:00] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/UKHASnet
[19:00] <craag> I mean the solution to finding it
[19:00] <jcoxon> oh yes
[19:01] <jcoxon> or when its stuck in a tree it'll jsut start a new network there
[19:01] <jcoxon> with its solar panels
[19:01] <jcoxon> so it reconnects when we fly next
[19:01] <craag> I'll add a PR for tree removal
[19:01] <craag> lol yes!
[19:01] <craag> love it
[19:02] <jcoxon> so the basic premise is that every node acts a repeater
[19:02] <jcoxon> and will beacon say every 60 seconds (depends though on power saving etc)
[19:03] <jcoxon> and that it should repeat any signals it hears putting its ID at the end and reducing the repeat count
[19:03] <qyx_> i see some problems here
[19:04] <gb73d> How about this tip for ballons...
[19:04] <qyx_> you need to avoid routing loops somehow if the net has to scale
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[19:04] <gb73d> on a Russia Today docu about antarctic bases...
[19:05] <jcoxon> qyx_, i guess as we are recording the IDs of the repeaters it should not repeat its own?
[19:05] <gb73d> they said coat the balloon with a mix of kerosene and benzene
[19:05] <gb73d> to make it go higher
[19:05] <jcoxon> gb73d, yes thats been done
[19:05] <craag> Also if you have 3 balloons up, 2 will repeat the packet on top of each other?
[19:05] <gb73d> ok thort u might be interestedt
[19:06] <gb73d> what does it do ? make the rubber more stretchable i guess
[19:06] <craag> qyx_: Yeah that'll be easy to implement.
[19:06] <qyx_> jcoxon: ah, that would probably work
[19:06] <qyx_> there are some existing meshing protocols for that
[19:06] <gb73d> they were talkin about weather ballons btw
[19:07] <qyx_> and another thing, power consumption during rx and tx is very similar
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[19:07] <craag> I like how lightweight this is though, will keep the bar low for people programming their own nodes.
[19:07] <qyx_> you will need synchronized time between nodes for low duty cycle operation
[19:08] <craag> qyx_: ?
[19:08] <qyx_> you cannot have receiver enabled all the time because of its power requirements
[19:08] <qyx_> so you have to find out somehow when to enable it
[19:08] <qyx_> = when the others are transmitting something
[19:09] <craag> rfm22 receiver isn't much current
[19:09] <craag> a running AVR will pull more I think.
[19:09] <jcoxon> i think the simpler the better for hte protocol
[19:10] <jcoxon> qyx_, yes that is a good point
[19:10] <Upu> B-37 up
[19:10] <craag> maybe not, but it's still only 18.5mA
[19:10] <Upu> Ping LeoBodnar approved
[19:10] <jcoxon> we could certainly use the interrupt on the rfm22 to wake the avr
[19:10] <LeoBodnar> lol thanks
[19:10] <qyx_> i played with similar idea in the past
[19:10] <mfa298> might need to have a small bit of memory space so you can remember packet ids for things you've recently repeated so you don't repeat things you've already seen
[19:10] <qyx_> and did stm32 board with low power gps receiver and stm spirit1 transceiver
[19:10] <qyx_> running at 1.8V
[19:11] <qyx_> with solar charger
[19:11] <qyx_> although for different project, not habbing
[19:11] <jcoxon> i think we should avoid requiring synced time
[19:11] <qyx_> if you can afford ~20mA, you could avoid that
[19:11] <jcoxon> well the balloon nodes would have lots of power
[19:12] <jcoxon> i see this more as a latex flights rather than pico
[19:12] <mikestir> jcoxon: I'm working on something similar for home automation. It relies on short "wake up" packets sent repeatedly such that the duty cycled rx is guaranteed to hear one
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[19:17] <craag> Even on a pico, 20mA is fine for a burst flight.
[19:17] <jcoxon> yes thats true
[19:17] <mikestir> one thing that might be worth considering is only using the basic features of the packet handler, to avoid restricting nodes to RFM22B/RFM23B only
[19:18] <craag> I would experiment a bit with trying to decode via GNUradio or similar.
[19:18] <jcoxon> mikestir, yes i think thats fair
[19:18] <mikestir> e.g. I haven't come across any two common sub-gig radios that do the same CRC calculation. even those that use the same polynomial use different initial conditions
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[19:18] <jcoxon> well teh rfm22 are end of life
[19:19] <jcoxon> so we would ideally switch up to rf69
[19:19] <mikestir> well I'm using 2 byte sync + length and I can interoperate between rfm23b and rfm69w
[19:19] <mikestir> should be ok with the CC1110 etc as well
[19:19] Action: Laurenceb_ is wondering if you get any ionospheric bounce at 434mhz
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> as you could make use of that for position estimation from ground stations
[19:21] <LeoBodnar> Is KT5TK flight aiming for transatlantic attempt? http://w5acm.net/b3536.html
[19:21] <mikestir> I asked a couple of disties about RFM22/23B status and they all said they will remain available for the foreseeable future for volume orders, so I would have thought someone will continue to sell them at retail
[19:22] <mikestir> they might get expensive though
[19:22] <jcoxon> i think that for the mean time i'll work with the rfm22s
[19:22] <jcoxon> as i've got some to work with
[19:22] <craag> LeoBodnar: Looks like it!
[19:24] <craag> So an internet-connected ground station would ideally be a repeater with some kind of program on a UART-connected host to upload received telemetry (like an igate)
[19:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh when did thast get launched B-37
[19:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> can't have been long ago ?
[19:24] <craag> jcoxon: Or would you just want receivers really as long as they're internet-connected?
[19:25] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: 10 minutes or so
[19:25] <jcoxon> craag, well its not much work to make repeaters connected to the internet
[19:25] <jcoxon> i think we can make a repeater kit for 15quid
[19:26] <craag> No, but if they have directional antennas pointed at the balloons, do you want them repeating the packets back and deafening the balloons?
[19:26] <craag> what I'm seeing is if(internet-connected) { receive } else { repeat }
[19:27] <jcoxon> i envisige:
[19:27] <jcoxon> my temp sensor (A) - pings my roof mounted repeater (B)
[19:27] <jcoxon> which repeats it up to balloon (C)
[19:27] <jcoxon> which then is heard by your repeater (D)
[19:27] <jcoxon> and is into your network :-p
[19:28] <craag> Ah I see, bi-directional, wasn't thinking about that.
[19:29] <craag> Yep all sounds cool
[19:29] <jcoxon> would be very cool
[19:29] <jcoxon> who knows if possible
[19:31] <craag> There's only one way to find out
[19:31] <qyx_> jcoxon: what would that kit include?
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[19:32] <jcoxon> i guess an rfm22, pcb for Atmega328, voltage regulator
[19:32] <craag> That's what I was thinking
[19:33] <craag> basically one of my FIZZLE pico payloads :P
[19:33] <jcoxon> leave off solar etc for others to add
[19:33] <craag> Would the intention be for this to link to habitat?
[19:34] <qyx_> hm, you can go down to 5e with ic transceiver and cortex micro on single board
[19:34] <craag> Or as you were talking about other (terrestrial) data, should we set up another system for it?
[19:34] <jcoxon> craag, habitat would cope i think
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[19:35] <jcoxon> qyx_, i think accessibility is key, through hole isn't a problem
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[19:35] <qyx_> or better multiple versions could be available if you keep packet simple as mikestir said
[19:36] <craag> mm
[19:36] <craag> Someone would do a pi-backed one I'm sure, just to speed up global warming.
[19:36] <qyx_> you would avoid eol problems
[19:37] <craag> and using newer stuff like CC1200 might get you better performance in the future
[19:37] <mattbrejza> dont suppose anyone knows where you can get pcb mount test point loops? eg: http://i.imgur.com/PJQ0FC3.jpeg
[19:37] <qyx_> farnell
[19:38] <mattbrejza> looked and not found
[19:38] <qyx_> "pcb test points" category
[19:38] <qyx_> connectors > test
[19:38] <mattbrejza> yea they dont seem to have any that big
[19:39] <qyx_> use a wire then :)
[19:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Test Point Loops http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=2031+203757&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=test+point+loops&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial
[19:40] <mattbrejza> id like one that you could easily clip a scope ground clip to
[19:41] <mattbrejza> i guess those smaller ones might be fine, was just wondering if anyone had come across something bigger
[19:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mount two and a bar beween if they must be that big!
[19:41] <adamgreig> farnell has loads of good ones
[19:42] <adamgreig> I like http://onecall.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=1702010
[19:42] <adamgreig> you can clip to them easily from a number of orientations and they look cool
[19:43] <adamgreig> http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/9546062165/in/set-72157635144755964
[19:43] <mattbrejza> hmm they will probably do
[19:43] <adamgreig> costly tho
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[19:44] <adamgreig> but that product category on farnell has a lot of similar options
[19:44] <mattbrejza> 13p?
[19:44] <mattbrejza> i had sorted by price so never came acorss the multipacks
[19:48] <craag> 434.500 for B37?
[19:49] <gonzo_> leo launching another??
[19:49] <craag> when isn't he ;)
[19:49] <gonzo_> hehe
[19:49] <gonzo_> I've not followed a balloon for ages it seems
[19:50] <gonzo_> weeks even
[19:50] <craag> I notice you've been a bit busy with the funcube
[19:50] <craag> glanced at the upload stats earlier
[19:50] <gonzo_> yep, that's true
[19:51] <gonzo_> but it's all automated now, so just need to check things are running and let it get on with it
[19:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its going to be a short one for me if it follows that prediction, just get over the hills and it goes further north :-(
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[20:03] <gonzo_> what's it's track?
[20:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> the prediction is on snus
[20:05] <gonzo_> ok, see it now
[20:05] <gonzo_> ah it's flyomng! my web page had frozen
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[20:18] <Laurenceb_> KT5KT-3 just dived at extreme speed?
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[20:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just launched skywards again ;-)
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[20:23] <LeoBodnar> It's normal for UBLOX
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[20:24] <LeoBodnar> Tomas is probably using sleep mode
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> side panel isnt loading on spacenear
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> the right hand side thing with the info panels
[20:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Often find I need to refresh several times :-(
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> grrr
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> is KT5TK-4 launching?
[20:26] <craag> *cough* http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/
[20:26] <adamgreig> craag: does that hit habitat or snus for the data?
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> hah
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> simple and works
[20:27] <craag> adamgreig: snus :(
[20:27] <adamgreig> aww. :(
[20:27] <craag> habitat is too slow for a quick load
[20:27] <adamgreig> oh well
[20:27] <adamgreig> yea
[20:27] <adamgreig> wait for habitat v2
[20:27] <craag> :)
[20:27] <adamgreig> not worth building too much against the current API
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> wut
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> Time: 2014-01-04 21:35:03
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> KT5TK-4 went time travelling?
[20:28] <craag> Looks like it !
[20:31] <Upu> RSID is lovely :) I've managed to RX this balloon without even being at PC
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> Ah - decisions.
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> Do I try to calculate the structural forces in play in an icosohedron under external pressure from a higher pressure gas, or do I get out the plywood, glue, and table saw.
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[20:48] <Laurenceb_> https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=fauld&ll=52.806329,-1.757662&spn=0.00742,0.021136&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&hnear=Fauld,+Staffordshire,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=16
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> wtf is this place
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> secret NSA HQ with a sporty element??
[20:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well it flies the Hilton flag ....
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: Airfield for planes with very good cornering.
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> is that Hilton?
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> \me learns to read
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Football
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its the FA trining centre I think you'll find
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> St georges park football centre
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> *training
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> ah
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> soom out a little - drag the man onto the map - and get a few blue dots where pictures are geolocated
[20:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.thefa.com/st-georges-park
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[20:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nike advert !! https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=fauld&ll=52.806288,-1.760181&spn=0.0016,0.00228&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&hnear=Fauld,+Staffordshire,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19
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[21:04] <Laurenceb_> yeah i thought the lack of signs was rather sinister
[21:10] <gonzo_> b37 is still too low on the horizon for me
[21:10] <Willdude123> I realised there are actually loads of kids in amateur radio.
[21:10] <Willdude123> In a teen oriented subreddit that is completely unrelated someone asked if anyone else is an operator
[21:12] <gonzo_> there are a lot of youndgers getting their foundation licence, often through cadets/scouts etc
[21:15] <Willdude123> In fact, I asked if anyone there was and then someone else also asked a few weeks later
[21:15] <arko> damn, this new ssd is so fast that the slow part of installing things is actually downloading them
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> arko: First SSD?
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> arko: Even modern crap ones - I paid 40 quid for 64G - so enormously outpace HDs.
[21:17] <arko> yes
[21:17] <arko> 750GB samsung 840 EVO
[21:17] <craag> ha, I'm sitting here impatiently waiting for an update on an old Pi, on a 100mb internet connection. I have the opposite problem :)
[21:17] <arko> the price/gb has finally become reasonable
[21:17] <arko> craag: haha
[21:18] <Willdude123> Ooh I just remembered I'm going to Southampton for a STEM thing on my first day back
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[21:18] <Willdude123> Going to some city college place to design eco-friendly university accomodation
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[21:20] <craag> Oh cool
[21:20] <craag> Well make sure to bring wellies
[21:20] <craag> It's wet :)
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[21:21] <craag> Although I suspect we're not unique in that respect
[21:21] <mfa298> you've returned to the land of cold and wet then craag
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[21:21] <craag> mfa298: I have. Spent yesterday drying out carpet and picking pieces of ceiling plaster off the floor :/
[21:22] <mfa298> you should complain to the landlord :p
[21:22] <Willdude123> craag: fun times
[21:22] <craag> mfa298: Not this house luckily :)
[21:22] <Laurenceb_> http://code.google.com/p/logicdiscovery/
[21:22] <Willdude123> I guess you get okay weather in summer?
[21:23] <Willdude123> I had an idea. As copper prices are going up, you have only a single building's network wired and then you have big directional antennas that connect it to a point of presence
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[21:25] <mfa298> I've an even better idea, use glass between buildings.
[21:25] <Willdude123> Wait that's a bad idea isn't it
[21:25] <mfa298> for internet glass is very good - in the form of glass fibre.
[21:27] <Willdude123> Isn't glass fibre already used a lot?
[21:27] <mfa298> exactly
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[21:28] <mfa298> you can do 10GbE per wavelength and several wavelengths are available per pair of fibre.
[21:30] <mfa298> although in terms of metal going into a house the cables for power probably cost more than the telephone cabling (and im not sure how much of that cabling is copper)
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> is the a B-37 forecast?
[21:31] <craag> mfa298: Well that's easy, power can be wireless right?
[21:31] <craag> :P
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[21:31] <craag> Tesla style
[21:31] <mfa298> Big tesla towers at each substation right
[21:32] <mfa298> snap!
[21:32] <craag> :D
[21:32] <craag> Or just point microwave energy at every house..
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[21:34] <Willdude123> Wow, I met a guy who probably has access to some of the repeaters I do
[21:34] <Willdude123> Hmm petersfield
[21:34] <Willdude123> I don't know if I could get any ones near there
[21:35] <mfa298> petersfield might get into FN (having not actually looked at any maps)
[21:35] <mfa298> same with SN.
[21:36] <mfa298> although the times I've been that way I think I've only tried the more southern repeaters
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> http://kt5tk.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/blt-34_burstpic_2.png?w=700&h=
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> nice shot
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[21:37] <Babs> Ping Geoff-G8DHE
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[21:43] Nick change: PE0SAT_ -> PE0SAT
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/169062_trj001.gif
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> oscillation
[21:50] <PB1DFT> any status update on B37
[21:51] <Willdude123> Almost managed a QSO with the fellah
[21:51] <PB1DFT> freq should be 434500? domx16 or contestia
[21:51] <Babs> Laurenceb - does your freecad read .dxf or .dwg?
[21:52] <Laurenceb_> i think dxf
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[21:53] <Babs> laurenceb pm
[21:55] <Laurenceb_> you need _
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> to get me on this machine i think
[21:57] <Upu> ddi frequency on B-37 drop ?
[21:57] <Willdude123> Almost managed a contact with someone I met on reddit
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[21:58] <LeoBodnar> I think it is 3-4kHz down
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[21:58] <Upu> yeah I can see it now
[21:59] <Upu> -54'C
[21:59] <Upu> ouch
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[21:59] <LeoBodnar> what is your dial now?
[21:59] <Upu> 434.496
[22:00] <Upu> on SDR
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[22:00] <Upu> been watching a film so didn't notice it had drifted
[22:01] <Upu> unsurprisingly quite strong now
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[22:04] <Upu> 434.496 on the 817 @1500
[22:04] <Upu> this one got an APRS callsign ?
[22:07] <PB1DFT> LeoBodnar: DomEx or contestia?.
[22:08] <Upu> contestia
[22:08] <Upu> 1000/8
[22:08] <Upu> 8/1000
[22:09] <PB1DFT> thnks
[22:09] <LeoBodnar> Yeah should be M0XER-7
[22:09] <Upu> ta
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3__2FmDxL8&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL6645D98B5AC7EE5C - on cutdown ideas
[22:12] <Willdude123> Is it worth joining AMSAT before I've even worked an amateur satellite?
[22:13] <Upu> yup the magazine is interesting and your supporting the work on satellites
[22:14] <Willdude123> I think I'll get the paper magazine
[22:14] <Upu> drifting a bit actually
[22:14] <Upu> didn't catch it that time
[22:14] <Upu> now 434.495
[22:16] <Laurenceb_> looks like the lipo is going to die :(
[22:16] <Laurenceb_> have you tried insulation yet?
[22:18] <mfa298> hmmm, online vs paper difference in membership cost is a bit more reasonable than the difference for batc.
[22:18] <mfa298> although I tend to be fairly useless at reading magazines.
[22:18] <KT5TK> Did it ever happen to anybody that you buy a Hydrogen cylinder with big letters HYDROGEN on it and it turns out that it was really filled with propane?
[22:18] <Upu> lol
[22:18] <Upu> err no KT5TK
[22:19] <KT5TK> We had this today
[22:19] <Upu> sounds very dangerous and something you should probably complain about
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> How did you work it out?
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> Balloon sank?
[22:19] <KT5TK> And no welding shop open on Saturday
[22:19] <KT5TK> It essentially dropped down like a soccer ball
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> Well - you got what you paid for.
[22:20] <LeoBodnar> *SIbot in real terms football
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> And they threw in extra carbon free.
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> At least both are flammable gasses.
[22:21] <KT5TK> We've got two little cans of He from a party store so that we could a least launch the foil cluster
[22:21] <KT5TK> Thanks for putting it up on spacenear.us
[22:22] <KT5TK> It's a 8 x 90cm cluster and reached Loisiana, but it's sinking too fast for my taste.
[22:24] <KT5TK> Louisiana
[22:24] <Upu> uh oh
[22:24] <Upu> that doesn't look right from B-37
[22:24] <Upu> I think something bad just happened
[22:24] <LeoBodnar> What's that?
[22:25] <Upu> seems to have got stuck
[22:25] <PB1DFT> It died....
[22:25] <LeoBodnar> oh
[22:25] <Upu> its like its transmitting the RSID partially, again and again
[22:26] <Upu> stuck in some sort of loop
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[22:26] <LeoBodnar> CLOUDY syndrome
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[22:27] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m00q41b2p47ttgf/Untitled-1.jpg
[22:27] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/krsandsnmal099q/capture.wav
[22:27] <Upu> actually 1 sec
[22:27] <Upu> don't download the wav
[22:27] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/krsandsnmal099q/capture.wav
[22:27] <Upu> download that
[22:28] <Upu> afk walking dog
[22:29] <LeoBodnar> sounds terminal for tonight
[22:29] <Laurenceb_> is there a watchdog?
[22:29] <LeoBodnar> Upu: is walking it now
[22:29] <Laurenceb_> lol
[22:30] <LeoBodnar> there is
[22:30] <LeoBodnar> there is a hardware reset supervisor that is supposed to shutdown the whole thing at 3.0v
[22:31] <LeoBodnar> maybe the threshold has drifted up with cold
[22:31] <LeoBodnar> and it is stuck in reset loop
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[22:42] <Upu> hehe
[22:44] <Upu> changed
[22:44] <Upu> its pipping at 1hz now
[22:45] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/krsandsnmal099q/capture.wav
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[22:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Babs, Pong
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[22:59] <LeoBodnar> looks like the loop tightens
[22:59] <mattbrejza> i got it down to an elevation on 0.6, although some of the domex i got down to -0.8 or so
[23:00] <Willdude123> Why is it a lot of British satellites have to be launched abroad?
[23:00] <mattbrejza> 'a lot' suggests that some are launched here
[23:01] <mattbrejza> you need less fuel nearer the equator for a start
[23:02] <Upu> I think it died Leo
[23:02] Action: Willdude123 wonders if the US pays Russia to put Americans on the ISS with their rockets.
[23:03] <Willdude123> I wonder why the Space Shuttle was decomissioned
[23:03] <LeoBodnar> ok cheers
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> Willdude123: It was - broadly - overmanaged shite.
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> Willdude123: A single launch cost a billion dollars or so.
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> The initial requirements for the shuttle got set for a _really_ barking mad mission.
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[23:08] <SpeedEvil> To get DOD funding as part of the development - it had to be able to do a launch into polar orbit, release a reconnisance satellite, and then land back in the continental USA.
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> All in under 90 minutes.
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> This is why it has (comparatively) massive wings.
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[23:32] <Babs> good military and navy space funding knowledge SpeedEvil
[23:33] <Babs> can't get the air force to fund it all, can't get the navy to fund it all, get both to fund it and end up with something that doesn't do the job for either
[23:33] <Babs> although i did see it this summer and it was mega
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[23:33] <fsphil> wish I'd seen it. there'll not be anything like that again
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> Babs: Oh - I'm not denying it was an awesome bit of hardware.
[23:33] <Babs> the scorch marks on it and general dirt from going up and down so many times makes it look like the millennium falcon
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> Just that it may have put space launch back 20 years.
[23:34] Action: SpeedEvil looks at ed.
[23:34] <Babs> it was awesome, just a victim of economics
[23:34] <fsphil> I'd still be very happy to see a launch anyway
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> Fundamentally, the US doesn't have a functioning space program.
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> To a large degree, anyway.
[23:34] <Babs> the most powerful chip in it when it was launched didn't have as much power as a Nintendo 64
[23:34] <fsphil> at the moment no
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> It has a welfare program, masquerading as a space program.
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> NASAs new rocket - to the second laucnh in the program - assuming no further budget slippages - would pay for a ten thousand ton space station - launched on SpaceX - or other commercial launchers
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[23:36] <fsphil> we need a moon base :)
[23:36] <Babs> 1.06 in - fsphil of the future http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enUo4X7kv9U
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[23:37] <fsphil> that was a good movie
[23:37] <Zuph> There has, however, been a ramp-up in science funding for experiment payloads headed to the ISS
[23:38] <Zuph> And, to a much lesser extent, a flush of new money in suborbital and unmanned orbital science.
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[23:39] <mfa298> if you believe the movies the Nazi's already have a moon base and Palin is US President (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_IndUbcxc)
[23:39] <Babs> I heart Palin
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> wold
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> in fact, ancient
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> clinsoft.org/drmayrovitz/PAPERS-HNM/Ref33.pdf
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> never saw that one coming
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> /jk
[23:43] <Laurenceb_> wtf google
[23:44] <Laurenceb_> this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11568935
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[23:47] <WillTablet> It says in the Yearbook that arrow antennas are called that because the elements are made from arrow shafts
[23:47] <WillTablet> Doesn't sound right
[23:48] <mfa298> the original design might have used them
[23:49] <WillTablet> Ooh
[23:49] <WillTablet> Amsat UK sells them apparently
[23:50] <WillTablet> Oh not anymore
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