highaltitude.log.20131219

[00:01] <solarballoonman> true
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[00:03] <MLow-werk> fsphil: a490 eh? how much that weigh
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> 140 g including batteries
[00:03] <MLow-werk> my current camera(contour roam HD)
[00:04] <MLow-werk> $110, bulletproof, 170* lens, 8hours recording 1080p@60fps
[00:04] <MLow-werk> 151g
[00:04] <MLow-werk> also waterproof
[00:05] <MLow-werk> was hoping to cut down on weight
[00:05] <MLow-werk> looks like i'm ok though compared to alternatives
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[00:06] <WillTablet> mfa298 It's my last full day
[00:06] <WillTablet> Not gonna be doing much
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[00:10] <MLow-werk> i've heard those cheap china cameras generate RFI like no ones business
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> MLow-werk: Some models do,yes.
[00:11] <SpeedEvil> Checkthatyour GPS actuallyworks.
[00:12] <MLow-werk> right now yes
[00:13] <MLow-werk> don't have a cheap china keychain camera to test with
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> With the camera on?
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> ah
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> not that much experience in RF testing but would placing the camera next to a spectrum analyzer help to see what sort of noise comes out of it?
[00:14] <MLow-werk> i dont have one lol
[00:14] <MLow-werk> but yeah i would hazard a guess thats what youd do
[00:15] <MLow-werk> im more concerned with getting a working tracker!
[00:15] <MLow-werk> camera is way down on list
[00:15] <MLow-werk> I ordered my balloon, hywoyee 600g
[00:38] <MLow-werk> whats a chute weigh
[00:39] <MLow-werk> i need to get mine out of storage, moths probably ate it by now
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[01:16] <Ballooner123> Uhhhh
[01:16] <Ballooner123> Is there anyone actually here?
[01:16] <MLow-werk> looking good though my descent rate calculated high
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[01:18] <MLow-werk> 8.5m/s :\
[01:40] <DL7AD> goodnight!
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[01:50] <MLow-werk> anyone alive?
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[02:46] <MLow-KF5KWE> hour later
[02:46] <MLow-KF5KWE> lol
[02:47] <MLow-KF5KWE> this is pretty much a UK channel I guess
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[03:26] <heathkid> pretty much... for USA join #usahab
[03:26] <heathkid> or anyone who can use APRS
[03:26] <heathkid> as primary
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[06:47] <wd8mnv> Does GMT = CET?
[06:47] <x-f> CET is GMT-1
[06:48] <wd8mnv> k thanks. ESA launching today
[06:48] <daveake> -1 you say ....?
[06:49] <x-f> Central European, isn't it?
[06:50] <daveake> yes
[06:50] <x-f> +1
[06:50] <daveake> which is one hour ahead of GMT
[06:50] <daveake> :)
[06:50] <daveake> Do we need TimeBot ? :)
[06:51] <x-f> yea, sorry, wd8mnv :)
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[06:51] <wd8mnv> np... plenty of time left
[06:52] <x-f> at what time is it?
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[06:52] <wd8mnv> 09:30 CET i thiunk, coverage starts i think
[06:53] <wd8mnv> http://spaceinvideos.esa.int/esalive
[06:53] <wd8mnv> 09:50 to 11:20
[06:53] <x-f> in two hours then
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[06:55] <alex_> @825B 2A5<! =C GB> 7>=4 2 2>74CE5?
[06:56] <x-f> morning, alex_
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[06:56] <x-f> still on the ground
[06:57] <alex_> morning DL!)
[06:57] <x-f> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/uy0ll
[06:57] <alex_> OA=> 64Q<)
[06:57] <alex_> 40 O A<>B@N B0< 20A
[06:57] <x-f> streaming is very choppy though
[06:58] <x-f> i'm not one of them :)
[06:58] <x-f> don't think anybody from Ukraine is here
[06:58] <alex_> BK >B:C40?
[06:59] <x-f> Latvia
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[06:59] <alex_> <0O:8 =5 CA;KH8HL..
[07:00] <alex_> 9.00 AB0@B!
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[07:01] <alex_> 0 >= 5IQ =0 75<;5..
[07:01] <x-f> uy0ll, how is it going there?
[07:02] <uy0ll> all ok at the moment, 1 min ago power on , testing
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[07:06] <jphoglund> orning
[07:06] <jphoglund> m+
[07:08] <alex_> <K 4>64Q<AO 70?CA:0?)
[07:11] <alex_> 286C 2KH;8 =0 C;8FC..
[07:14] <alex_> :>340??
[07:14] <x-f> alex_, this is commonly known as ISH time :) http://ukhas.org.uk/general:glossary:ish
[07:15] <alex_> =5 ?>=O; GB> 2 12 1C45B??
[07:16] <x-f> most likely sooner :)
[07:16] <alex_> uy0ll :>340 70?CA: 2 12 ?> :852C?
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[07:19] <alex_> XF A?@>A8 :>340 70?CA: 0 B> <=5 =04> =0 @01>BC))
[07:20] <x-f> he must be quite busy right now
[07:20] <x-f> it should be soon, they're outside at least
[07:21] <alex_> 2845> >4=> 8 B>65 ?>:07K20NB..
[07:21] <uy0ll> Launched 5 min ago, altitude 2225, godd decode on 2m an 70cm, but no spot on spacenear.us :(
[07:22] <alex_> 2845> =5 286C!
[07:24] <craag> uy0ll: Incorrect number of fields (got 7, expect 10)
[07:24] <craag> Your payload doc is wrong
[07:25] <alex_> =025@=>5..
[07:25] <uy0ll> So, what I have to do?
[07:26] <craag> uy0ll: What new telemetry fields have you added?
[07:27] <craag> Current doc has time, latitude, longitude, altitude, temperature_internal, temperature_external, battery
[07:28] <craag> hang on... you have got 7..
[07:28] <uy0ll> right
[07:28] <craag> it's expecting 10
[07:29] <alex_> 5ABL 5270<!
[07:29] <uy0ll> very strange, because i used that payload doc for testing before aprove
[07:30] <alex_> 6248<!
[07:30] <craag> uy0ll: yes.. I'm trying to work it out
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[07:31] <alex_> Ti13.50
[07:31] <uy0ll> I will be very appreciated for your help
[07:32] <alex_> 6976 <
[07:32] <alex_> Ti-13.00
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[07:33] <alex_> 7431<..
[07:33] <craag> uy0ll: The payload doc on your flight doc is the wrong one..
[07:34] <craag> It's 18dfffcaa.. should be af5e067
[07:34] <uy0ll> yesterday evening was created another one flight doc af5e067
[07:35] <alex_> Ti-12
[07:35] <uy0ll> there are two flight doc approved at the moment, I believe
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[07:36] <alex_> 8514<!
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[07:36] <alex_> Ti-11.50
[07:37] <craag> uy0ll: Yep, both have the wrong payload doc
[07:37] <alex_> 9003<!
[07:37] <uy0ll> Oh my God
[07:38] <alex_> 9270<, ti-10.50
[07:38] <alex_> 2 :>A<>A C;5B8B!))
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[07:40] <alex_> 10410<!
[07:40] <craag> uy0ll: Nothing I can do, I've tried pinging people in #habhub but no-one's up yet.
[07:42] <alex_> 11091<!
[07:42] <uy0ll> very sorry
[07:44] <alex_> 11745
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[07:45] <alex_> 12369<!
[07:46] <WillTablet> Morning
[07:48] <alex_> 13:< AC?5@!)
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[07:52] <alex_> 2AQ, 2 :>A<>A5))
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[07:53] <alex_> 15 :<!
[07:54] <uy0ll> 15063m Texternal -41.5, Tint =4.5 V= 6.89V
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[07:55] <alex_> 15 :< -41'C
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[07:56] <alex_> 15708:< -42'C
[07:57] <alex_> 6,6V
[07:58] <alex_> 16200m -41,5'C
[07:59] <alex_> 16800 -41'C
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[08:02] <uy0ll> GPS altitude restriction 18000
[08:02] <Darkside> ???
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[08:06] <gonzo__> craag, you made the front cover of the batc mag thin q
[08:06] <gonzo__> this
[08:06] <craag> gonzo__: I know.. don
[08:06] <craag> don't I look happy! :P
[08:07] <eroomde> why are we ta
[08:07] <eroomde> talking in tghis broken way
[08:07] <gonzo__> evil eye ate the crusties
[08:07] <gonzo__> t
[08:07] <gonzo__> at
[08:07] <gonzo__> agh, this kbd is so full of wire clippings
[08:07] <eroomde> :)
[08:10] <Darkside> so was there a launch?
[08:10] <Darkside> im not sur what to make of the previous hours conversations
[08:10] <uu4jlm_Valery> uy0ll ?@825B, :0:0O G0AB>B0 ?5@540BG8:0?
[08:11] <craag> Darkside: Yep, but flight doc has the wrong payload doc, so habitat is rejecting it all.
[08:11] <Darkside> ????????
[08:11] <uy0ll> 144.800 , 437.550+-2
[08:11] <Darkside> ah unicode carriers i bet
[08:11] <Darkside> also that too
[08:12] <Darkside> uy0ll: whats the APRS callsign
[08:12] <Darkside> if there is APRS on it
[08:12] <uy0ll> UY0LL-11
[08:12] <Darkside> ok
[08:13] <Darkside> im pushing that data to spacnear.us now
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[08:14] <Darkside> uy0ll: is th APRS beacon not reporting altitude?
[08:14] <craag> Darkside: I'm guessing that's due to the GPS not being in flight mode.
[08:14] <Darkside> ah.
[08:14] <craag> It did have it on ascent
[08:14] <Darkside> well thats annoying
[08:14] <Darkside> i cant do anything about payload documnts either
[08:15] <uy0ll> Old version of GPS on board, no altitude data after 18000
[08:15] <Darkside> damn
[08:15] <Darkside> why did you fly it if you knew it would not work?
[08:17] <uy0ll> Hi, we just have shiled and have not time for testing new software
[08:18] <uy0ll> 18246m
[08:18] Nick change: Hes_ -> Hes
[08:18] <Hes> First flight from Ukraine?
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[08:18] <uy0ll> it mean - was burst
[08:19] <uy0ll> 16488
[08:19] <uy0ll> Yes it first attempt, just for create team
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[08:21] <Darkside> right thres no point me updating this APRS position
[08:21] <Darkside> since its not updating
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[08:21] <Darkside> oh hang on
[08:21] <Darkside> spoke too soon
[08:22] <Darkside> altitude is changing, position isnt
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[08:23] <alex_> 2KA 13500<..
[08:23] <alex_> -35'C
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[08:24] <alex_> A=8605BAO?
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[08:25] <alex_> 12300< -35,5'C
[08:26] <Darkside> well more is wrong with teh APRS payload
[08:26] <Darkside> the altitude is changing, but the position isnt
[08:27] <craag> ah there we go
[08:27] <alex_> 10720< -39'C
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[08:29] <alex_> 9780 -35-A
[08:29] <Darkside> oh hy, a position update
[08:29] <Darkside> finally
[08:30] <alex_> 9180< -35'C
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[08:31] <alex_> 8841< -30'C
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[08:32] <alex_> 5;8B>?>;L ?@8=8<05B!
[08:33] <alex_> " !# !
[08:33] <alex_> 7833< -28'C
[08:34] <uy0ll> 40, 5ABL G5<C @04>20BLAO
[08:34] <alex_> &+!)
[08:35] <jphoglund> crazy moon letters all over the place :)
[08:35] <fsphil> rendering nicely here :)
[08:35] <Darkside> i just see ??????
[08:35] <fsphil> keeping up with google translate
[08:36] <fsphil> I'm surprised putty is rendering it all all to be honest
[08:36] <jphoglund> that's pretty std utf-8 i think
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[08:36] <cm13g09> LOL @ Microchip: http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en566210
[08:36] <uy0ll> My frien far from me (500rm) , good reception - we discussing our first success,
[08:36] <cm13g09> The Fubarino!
[08:37] <fsphil> yea. but windows utf support seems quite patchy
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[08:37] <fsphil> is the chase team near the landing site uy0ll?
[08:37] <fsphil> it's getting quite near a big river
[08:39] <uy0ll> no, there are two chasing team , but thay has problem with cell network
[08:40] <uy0ll> ur4lto_chase and ur5fsv_chase following to place of predicted landing at the moment
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[08:43] <uy0ll> landed
[08:44] <craag> That last bit of descent was a bit quick :O
[08:45] <fsphil> maybe it's snowing on it
[08:46] <uy0ll> It's not bad - not far to go without roads
[08:46] <fsphil> doesn't look like a bad area
[08:46] <craag> maybe.. 21m/s
[08:46] <wd8mnv> it comes FUBAR'd?
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[09:00] <wd8mnv> Gaia launch is live
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[09:02] <MLow-KF5KWE> gaia?
[09:04] <wd8mnv> european space mapping mission launch today
[09:04] <wd8mnv> http://www.livestream.com/eurospaceagency
[09:05] <wd8mnv> going up on a soyuz
[09:06] <MLow-KF5KWE> coolio
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[09:13] <cm13g09> wd8mnv: I did wonder if the people at Microchip understand what Fubar is :P
[09:15] <gonzo__> ~fu ?
[09:34] <Hix> Found an interesting SVG based mapping system this morning. It seems to be the basis of the wind map that Arko flagged on the mailing list the other day. It's called D3 and there's some info here http://bost.ocks.org/mike/map/
[09:34] <Hix> Looks very useful
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[09:40] <eroomde> D3 looks awesome
[09:41] <eroomde> we were thinking of using it for a test-rig monitoring app
[09:41] <eroomde> how is the journey in python going?
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[09:43] <Hix> I've just done section 2 on the udacity CS101 - its a pretty good course. I'm gettting there with it. I've got an idea for a lottery syndicate thing to use so I can put the theory into practice, as it seems to be easier with a real goal to hit
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[09:45] <eroomde> yes 100%
[09:45] <Hix> http://www.jasondavies.com/maps/azimuth-distance/ was a pretty cool utilisation of D3
[09:45] <Hix> I have found that syntax and indentation especially are a bit of a pain to remember exactly
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[09:46] <Hix> Though I plan to set up a Pi with NoIR by a badger sett so that'll give me a fair bit more practice with python
[09:46] <eroomde> tis just practice
[09:47] <ibanezmatt13> I found it difficult going from indentation to curly brackets and semi colons. Got it after a while though
[09:47] <Hix> Well work is dead so Udacity is the new work :)
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[09:47] <Hix> And I have to say, brackets and semi-colons seem easier for me to get to grips with
[09:48] <fsphil> I prefer that style too
[09:48] <fsphil> but still quite like python
[09:49] <ibanezmatt13> I guess it depends on experience. My first programming was in Python so it was quite a shock going to C. But, I like them both equally for different things
[09:49] <Hix> sure - its nice to get to grips with.
[09:49] <fsphil> yea they're both good
[09:50] <fsphil> there's a lot you wouldn't write in python
[09:50] <fsphil> or at least use python for some experiments before writing it in C or C++
[09:50] <fsphil> that D3 website looks great
[09:50] <Hix> it is isn't it http://d3js.org/ has loads of examples
[09:51] <Hix> lots of fun to be had with data
[09:51] <fsphil> love the way it moves
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[09:59] <Hix> ibanezmatt13 are you doing A level maths? http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Mathematics_(Bookshelf) could be interesting for you
[09:59] <nats`> hi boyz
[09:59] Action: nats` is doing dirty things with the C preprocessor
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[10:05] <cm13g09> morning nats`
[10:09] <cm13g09> d3 is awesome :)
[10:13] <es5nhc> Just reading up on d3. Consider my jaw dropped
[10:17] <cm13g09> es5nhc: same just happened here
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[10:19] <Laurenceb_> why not use c+= ?
[10:20] <nats`> ?
[10:20] <nats`> Laurenceb for me ?
[10:24] <tweetBot> @thecraag: Front page of the BATC's latest edition of CQTV, featuring me giving my 'Introduction to HAB' Presentation! #ukhas http://t.co/EY0y4Mgtxh
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[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any news, cuddykid ?
[11:21] <cuddykid> hi Geoff-G8DHE - nothing unfortunately :(
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Shame :-(
[11:22] <SiC> checked ebay just in case?
[11:22] <cuddykid> yep and gumtree
[11:22] <SiC> :/
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[12:28] <G4AIU-Eugene> Good afternoon all!
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[12:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> hello to all
[12:37] <fsphil> yoyo
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[13:11] <LeoBodnar_> afternoon
[13:12] <DL7AD> hi LeoBodnar_
[13:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> hi leo
[13:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> b33 is 435.500 ?
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[13:16] <DL7AD> Ping LeoBodnar_
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[13:21] <LeoBodnar_> hey!
[13:22] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar_: is it transmitting on 434.500?
[13:22] <LeoBodnar_> yes, 434.500
[13:22] <DL7AD> good announcement is pushed
[13:23] <craag> DL7AD: Are you Leo's secretary? :P
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[13:23] <es5nhc> I take there has been a launch?
[13:23] <DL7AD> not only leos ;) im also pushing announcements for SP9UOB and SP3OSJ
[13:24] Action: Steve_G0TDJ wakes up
[13:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> Launch?
[13:24] <DL7AD> rofl. yes b33
[13:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> :D YAY - Radio on
[13:24] <es5nhc> What's the plan? Float or let it pop right away?
[13:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Contestia! :-)
[13:25] <DL7AD> Steve_G0TDJ: do you have an irc parser alarming you when someone is writing launch? :D
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[13:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL No, I just happened to glance at the stream ;-)
[13:26] <es5nhc> Good luck to B33 folks
[13:27] <es5nhc> So, what's the transponder details?
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[13:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.500MHz USB - Contestia 8/1000
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[13:28] <LeoBodnar_> It transmits once every 10-12 minutes though
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[13:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> LeoBodnar_: Dlfidigi lists payload as contestia but in bottom lefthand corner it says DOMX 16 - Is this OK?
[13:31] <LeoBodnar_> You need to switch over manually or enable RSID button. habitat does not allow to select Contestia for payloads
[13:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK No worries
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[13:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ascending nice and slow, is this a record attempt Leo ;-)
[13:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Scanning....
[13:39] <G8APZ> Hearing pips weakly...
[13:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Whats the dial G8APZ ?
[13:39] <G8APZ> 501 but not seeing on waterfall !
[13:40] <G8APZ> correction...wait a mo
[13:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> Telemetry just updated
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[13:41] <G8APZ> 500.4 with pip on 1200
[13:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Nothing here as yet
[13:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Leo is always pretty colse on freq.
[13:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> as usual for Leo 434,500 in DOMX16?
[13:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> NOpe, Contestia 8/1000 but yes, .500
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[13:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Matt :-)
[13:43] <G8APZ> I have the Chilterns in the way in that direction
[13:43] <ibanezmatt13_> Hey Steve_G0TDJ, pm
[13:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, I have a hill right next to me
[13:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok i switch to contestia
[13:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> RGR
[13:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx steve
[13:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> np
[13:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> I do not know how contestia sound but wonder
[13:46] <G8APZ> dial 434.5004 with bleep on 1250 waterfall
[13:46] <es5nhc> Is there a reference signal or something to which one could aim the antenna?
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[13:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Aim for Cambridge
[13:47] <Hix> Oh cool. My new Pi just turned up, they have included mounting holes now. Much better
[13:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice
[13:50] <G8APZ> well bugger me! It's passing over Raunds where HABE landed
[13:50] <LeoBodnar_> if it disappears we know the IP address
[13:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Leo's scanning for a trail.....
[13:51] <mclane> can someone give some advice how to design a pcb for ublox max 7 q?
[13:51] <mclane> do I need a groundplane underneath the device?
[13:51] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar Yes... incidentally there is a gopro on ebay from that area....
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[13:52] <mattbrejza> mclane: read the hardware integration manual from ublox
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[13:53] <mclane> thats what I did, but did not really understand it
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[13:53] <eroomde> which bit?
[13:53] <LeoBodnar_> MSB
[13:53] <eroomde> that's the fear
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[13:55] <UpuWork> afternoon
[13:55] <UpuWork> is the still transmitting ?
[13:56] <mattbrejza> yay fianlly decoded some const'
[13:56] <Hix> mclane pg42 onwards
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[13:56] <mattbrejza> helps when you undo settings someone else left fldigi in
[13:59] <UpuWork> oh think I see it now
[13:59] <UpuWork> good flight path
[14:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Have pips on W/F bang on 1200 @ 434.500.40
[14:00] <G8APZ> UpuWork yes
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[14:02] <UpuWork> TX every 10 mins ?
[14:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> 12 I think Leo said
[14:03] <UpuWork> ok
[14:03] <G8APZ> es5nhc it transmits a pip every three seconds, and two telemetry blocks every 5 minutes (maybe 3 or 4!)
[14:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> UpuWork: >>><LeoBodnar_> It transmits once every 10-12 minutes though
[14:03] <G8APZ> Ah OK 12 mins is a battery saver!!
[14:03] <G8APZ> better bet would be one telemetry every 6 rather than two every 12
[14:04] <mattbrejza> it means you need less preamble this way
[14:04] <craag> Hmm it can take the first sentence to sync the decoder I've found
[14:04] <mattbrejza> and offen the first string allows the decoder to sync to the second
[14:04] <mattbrejza> better
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[14:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> 10mins since last Tx
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[14:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> 11mins
[14:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Signal
[14:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Partials
[14:06] <mattbrejza> it looks so messy on the waterfall
[14:06] <UpuWork> just looks like noise that :)
[14:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> B/(3,20,J5A5E7Y131219FX@.08B$$BI.2648,5052,5B-16,4.16,0FFNY93
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[14:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> That surely wasn't 1000 wide.....
[14:07] <G8APZ> Strange... I normally get good strong sigs from Cambridge area
[14:07] <G8APZ> I didn't see much on w/fall
[14:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looked a little like Domino to me
[14:08] <mattbrejza> it starts off looking like domex then just turns to a horrible mess
[14:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah, OK, maybe thats the RSID bit
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[14:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> 10mins
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[14:14] <G8APZ> Only trouble with 10-12 minutes is resolution of where the payload is/was!!
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[14:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> With Leo's flights that doens't really matter
[14:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd the bibs
[14:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> No data signal seen that time around
[14:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh There
[14:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> b-33 line 22 red
[14:15] <G8APZ> Red here too
[14:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Wasn't good enough here to get a line no.
[14:15] <wd8mnv> sounds like a squirrel fighting a gerbil
[14:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[14:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> i dont know wat its like but maby a squirrel hhihihih
[14:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looks like it's crept up in Freq a little. Now on 1300 for 434.500.4
[14:17] <G8APZ> Agreed Steve
[14:17] <DL1SGP1> Nothing ehre yet Steve_G0TDJ
[14:17] <DL1SGP1> :)
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[14:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Needs to be up a bit more for us both Felix ;-)
[14:19] <DL1SGP1> indeed, but looks like it will make it here before I leave for holiday haha
[14:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Cool! You will track it.
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[14:27] <Herman-PB0AHX> 2 X red grgr
[14:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Telemetry updated. Didn't see any of that
[14:27] <wd8mnv> got part of one... beacon ID'd just as it started streaming
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[14:27] <G8APZ> No decode here....heard it and saw it... most of it looks ok!
[14:27] <G8APZ> Just ordered a white stick....!
[14:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> wd8mnv: Are you listening remotely or have you some super-duper antenna? ;-)
[14:28] <wd8mnv> i'm on the SUWS websdr
[14:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah, cool.
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[14:29] <DL1SGP1> Steve_G0TDJ: if it comes here I gonna track it, Sunday I am driving north, Holiday QTH will be at 30km from Brian
[14:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Are you taking radio kit Felix?
[14:30] <DL1SGP1> yes, primarily HF
[14:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> GOod stuff
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[14:31] <DL1SGP1> ran experiments with a HAM-Friend of mine on FreeDV, plan is to test it over a bit longer stretch than the 18km between us
[14:32] <fsphil> I've not tried freedv in ages
[14:32] <DL1SGP1> it worked pretty neat fsphil
[14:33] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar are you using a GP on this ? It's weaker than I expect
[14:33] <fsphil> I tried it over a 500km path and got partial results- was able to make out a few words
[14:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> brb
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[14:38] <G8APZ> Got green!!
[14:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> line 26 and 27 red grgr
[14:39] <wd8mnv> nothing
[14:39] <LeoBodnar_> G8APZ: it uses 2m vertical dipole so 434MHz signal is not the best
[14:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> i was very close i think
[14:39] <wd8mnv> oh wait... it did get it
[14:39] <G0HDI> Before RSID: <<2013-12-19T14:38Z Contestia @ 1771>> some data but no green
[14:40] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar I though something may be different. Last time you flew this sort of path I tracked well all the way to the Dutch coast
[14:40] <LeoBodnar_> I have used proper 434MHz GP that time
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[14:41] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar Yes I thought so. Is this one APRS also?
[14:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd the bibs very well but litle bit qrm i think
[14:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> but next time better
[14:42] <G8APZ> last telem block I decoded was 27
[14:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> me to
[14:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> but red
[14:42] <LeoBodnar_> yes APRS
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like its into float mode
[14:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> u give him sommeting to drink Leo he is very slow hihihihihi
[14:44] <DL1SGP1> if the B-33 stays on the currently predicted course via Arhus I will not get to hear it
[14:44] <DL1SGP1> unless it decides to go real slow and waits for being there until sunday :)
[14:45] <G8APZ> Got two good decodes!
[14:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> yesssssssssssssss 2x green
[14:45] <G0HDI> Got a green
[14:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> mje to
[14:46] <DL1SGP1> Leuk, Herman-PB0AHX :)
[14:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> strange signaal for me never i hrd it befor
[14:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> DL1SGP1: ja erg leuk
[14:48] <G8APZ> blocks 28 and 29
[14:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> G8APZ: yes me to
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[14:55] <G8APZ> 30 and 31
[14:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> I think B33 in my garden is going to land, and drink a cup to tea
[14:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> me to
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[14:56] <G8APZ> Herman-PB0AHX It needs a cup of tea and a scotch whisky I think!
[14:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> no the whisky is for me hihihihihi
[14:57] <G8APZ> HiHi
[14:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> lol
[14:58] <G8APZ> 32 and 33
[14:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> yep
[14:58] <G8APZ> It's losing height :-(
[14:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> strange the signal i gone ant the screen is writing here hihihihihi
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[14:59] <wd8mnv> looks like it popped?
[14:59] <DL7AD> wd8mnv: nope.... ice
[14:59] <Herman-PB0AHX> no the signaal is good here
[15:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> abt 579
[15:00] <G8APZ> 130 m between packets? Thats a big drop
[15:00] <LeoBodnar_> it must have popped :)
[15:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok
[15:01] <Herman-PB0AHX> the bibs com faster nou here it likes
[15:01] <G8APZ> next packets will show...getting weaker here though
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[15:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> the signal strength is still the same here maby litle bit les
[15:03] <G8APZ> maybe good news ... gets louder again
[15:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> then u can recover him Leo
[15:04] <G8APZ> 434.5009 for pips on 1200
[15:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> he get weeker now here
[15:05] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes i lost him now
[15:06] <G8APZ> bad decodes then
[15:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> red lines now here
[15:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> t was a short one now Leo
[15:07] <G8APZ> 3328m
[15:08] <G8APZ> I can see that in the last failed packet
[15:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd the bibs very weekly now
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[15:09] <LeoBodnar_> yeah that was a quick one
[15:10] <Herman-PB0AHX> but Leo nice to hear a new kind of signaal for me
[15:11] <LeoBodnar_> cool!
[15:11] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd stil the bibs very week
[15:12] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar Is the package labelled with contact number if found?
[15:12] <G8APZ> bips very weak also
[15:14] <G8APZ> Flew over Lakenheath ...
[15:18] <G8APZ> bad decode
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[15:18] <G8APZ> 1926m in the packet
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[15:19] <G8APZ> Slow descent... could be icing?
[15:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2013_Flights/B-33_20131219/
[15:27] <LeoBodnar_> icing usually has much softer transition to descent as it first takes out excessive free lift and then gradually build up negative lift
[15:28] <G8APZ> OK --- looks as if it's in parachute mode then! Bad luck LeoBodnar
[15:28] <LeoBodnar_> it does not have any contact details on it
[15:28] <G8APZ> OK
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[15:28] <G8APZ> no more pips here
[15:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> Leo tnx agn for ur time
[15:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh, it's coming down. Unusual for a Leo flight.
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[15:32] <db_g6gzh> faded away now, last partial decode $$B-33,39,152745,131219,52.60012,1.3029,69C,5,-6,4.15,0.47*2D02
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[15:34] <G8APZ> at least there is a lat long there
[15:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> At the current rate it will land @ the junction A47 & A1042
[15:37] <db_g6gzh> Based on a partial from G8KNN I think height should have been 612 but I've not checked the checksum
[15:38] <G8APZ> that junction is busy with road/railway!
[15:39] <G8APZ> and river
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[16:33] <DL1SGP1> looks like B-33 won't make it to me :)
[16:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> oh, new flight from leo
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[16:36] <UpuWork> lol
[16:36] <UpuWork> oh thought you meant he'd launched B-34 already
[16:37] <DL1SGP1> lol that would not be entirely surprising :D
[16:37] <WillTablet> Does anyone here know if the LDG YT100 atu is any good?
[16:37] <WillTablet> The ft 857 only reports high and low swr I think so it might not be very accurate
[16:39] <DL1SGP1> WillTablet: a) in Menu Function i (MFi) the FT857 gives you the ability to toggle the scale between ALC/PWR/SWR b) I am using an LDG Z-100Plus with it
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[16:39] <WillTablet> What's ALC?
[16:40] <DL1SGP1> Automatic Level Control
[16:40] <mfa298> WillTablet: the things I'd check are what SWR it can tune out (I think 10:1 would be reasonable if it was less, like 3:1, you might have issues tuning some antennas), also check how you trigger it to tune (pressing a button if it's remote might not be so easy), and also check what power it needs to tune (if it needs 30W you'll have an issue whilst only on a foundation license)
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[16:40] <WillTablet> The trigger on one was the grounding of a socket
[16:40] <WillTablet> And a button
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[16:44] <mfa298> you might also want to find out what tuner design it uses although that's only really useful if you know what the various designs are and are interested in a particular design for a particular reason.
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[16:45] <Laurenceb> delivery of lulz to cheer everyone up
[16:45] <Laurenceb> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/Estates/Images-Multimedia/WebImages/SecurityOfficers.jpg
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[16:53] <mfa298> WillTablet: one thing to consider: The best place for an Auto-ATU is where the coax feeder connects to the antenna (not next to the radio). This is actually true for all ATU's but not really practical for a manual ATU.
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[16:54] <chrisstubbs> ping Upu
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[17:05] <es5nhc> http://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/413704418953945088/photo/1
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[17:12] <Laurenceb> http://www.niccomp.com/help/VoltageCoefficientofCapacitors-032012-R1.pdf
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7dV0WDiu9Cw#t=14 - how to get more views on your 3D router video. (mildly nsfw)
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: yeah - nasty
[17:13] <eroomde> also microphonics
[17:13] <eroomde> on x5r and friends
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> Vacuum dielectrics - it's the only answer.
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[17:13] <eroomde> not so great for antialias filtering on the front-ends of rocket engine data aquisition cards
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[17:14] <Laurenceb> pervert mechanic!
[17:15] <mclane> ping upu
[17:15] <Laurenceb> yeah i have weird nonlinear performance from my photodiode amp
[17:16] <Laurenceb> its aliasing 50hz light buzz up to 11kHz
[17:16] <Laurenceb> i suspect its due to ceramic capacitors
[17:17] <eroomde> C0G has got your back
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[17:21] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Are these flourescants?
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> Also - 100hz
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[17:34] <Upu> hi mclane
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[17:34] <Laurenceb> yeah 100hz even
[17:35] <Laurenceb> atm im trying to get NI-VISA to talk to labview over lwip
[17:35] <Laurenceb> dont laugh
[17:35] <arko> woah we dont welcome the L word here
[17:36] <Laurenceb> haha
[17:36] <mclane> hi upu, do you have some layout hints for the gps chip antenna you sell in your shop?
[17:36] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: its kind of multifunction with orthogonal polarization and stuff
[17:37] <Laurenceb> but atm it can't do fluorescence spectroscopy
[17:37] <eroomde> recognise the err of your ways Laurenceb
[17:37] <Upu> there is a data sheet 1 sec
[17:37] <Laurenceb> eroomde: its a commerical product
[17:37] <Laurenceb> Labview over ethernet sells
[17:37] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/PDFS/JTI_Antenna-1575AT43A40_2006-09.pdf
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[17:38] <eroomde> i hope it dies
[17:38] <Laurenceb> trollde
[17:38] <eroomde> just have a daemon on the client pc and talk to labview over zeromq or something
[17:38] <eroomde> or get rid of the labview
[17:38] <eroomde> it needs killing
[17:38] <Laurenceb> true :P
[17:39] <eroomde> we can make an open source better version
[17:39] <eroomde> LabGNU
[17:39] <Laurenceb> haha
[17:39] <mclane> thanks upu
[17:39] <Laurenceb> well it has simple debug modes, but those are secret
[17:39] <Upu> nps
[17:40] <Laurenceb> atm im having an argument with management who want it to use a cmos imager
[17:40] <Laurenceb> they dont see why that would be a pita
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[17:40] <Laurenceb> when you need ~20bit 7 wavelength data
[17:41] <Laurenceb> just a few small issues in using a camera...
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[17:49] <SpeedEvil> Defocussing can do wonderful things for bit depth
[17:50] <Laurenceb> yeah but there is still the question of how to incorporate multiple wavlengths
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[17:53] <Laurenceb> interleaving frames fails in the presence of ambient light
[17:54] <Laurenceb> bbl
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[18:17] <WillTablet> mfa298 why exactly is that thusly?
[18:19] <eroomde> the law
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[18:21] <mfa298> WillTablet: ??
[18:21] <WillTablet> The ATU optimal position
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[18:22] <mfa298> so your radio is designed for 50R, the coax should be 50R, but your antenna probably isn't 50R (for HF) hence the need for a tuner.
[18:23] <mfa298> you want that to happen where the mismatch is.
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[20:03] <WillTablet> mfa298 I can't exactly get an atu outside though
[20:03] <eroomde> just have it between the radio and the antenna
[20:03] <eroomde> can be inside with the radio
[20:04] <eroomde> so long as the radio sees a load that looks like 50 ohms you're fine
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[20:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
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[20:29] <fsphil> evenin
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[20:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> KT5TK: hi Thomas :-)
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[20:31] <DL7AD> good evening
[20:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: guten abend ;-)
[20:32] <Willdude123> UpuWork: remind me what rotator do you have?
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[21:17] <Reb-SM3ULC> Good evening, again
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[21:29] <ibanezmatt13> anybody know where I can find a "wired" pressure sensor? :/
[21:30] <ibanezmatt13> I could probably wire it up myself to be honest but it would save a lot of hassel if one exists
[21:30] Nick change: MLow-KF5KWE -> MLow-AFK
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[21:31] <eroomde> what pressure range, measurement speed, mass, cost, cable length, sensor interface, etc do you need?
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[21:33] <ibanezmatt13> wow, many parameters... erm, i2c interface, something for barometric pressure, short cable length, relatively cheap not bothered about weight, etc
[21:33] <ibanezmatt13> basically a wired BMP085 :)
[21:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> ibanezmatt13: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11084
[21:34] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah, that's basically everything I need. I'd probably have to wire it myself. Ideally, this needs to be external
[21:35] <ibanezmatt13> not to do with HAB by the way, not subject to extreme conditions
[21:35] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah that's fine, I'll work with a breakout like that, cheers
[21:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-)
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[22:13] <ibanezmatt13> What happened to B-33? :(
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[22:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> It went up, it came down
[22:14] <ibanezmatt13> sad
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[22:15] <ibanezmatt13> at least it landed somewhere recoverable
[22:17] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt13: that's what has happened to every HAB ever flown why is it dad?
[22:17] <WillTablet> *sad
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[22:18] <ibanezmatt13> well, i assume the aim of B-33 was to float quite far, so I guess maybe it burst earlier than expected, which is a shame
[22:19] <ibanezmatt13> Hix, sorry I missed that maths link you suggested earlier. I've been reading it, very helpful resource. Thank you!
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[22:31] <ibanezmatt13> time to hit the sack, gn
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[23:00] <solarballoonman> not sure if they wuold be any good as trackers, but
[23:00] <solarballoonman> anyone think of using a pet tracker of some kind?
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[23:01] <daveake> don't
[23:01] <solarballoonman> wasn't thinking of it. No good then?
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[23:03] <daveake> They're fairly deaf to GPS, even more deaf to GSM, and don't like altitude
[23:03] <daveake> Aside from that ....
[23:04] <solarballoonman> right.
[23:07] <WillTablet> My ears hurt. Too much full volume meat loaf
[23:09] <solarballoonman> Not good for you.. WillTablet
[23:09] <WillTablet> Meat loaf is awesome though :-)
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[23:12] <solarballoonman> true, I've got 'bat out of hell'.
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[23:28] <solarballoonman> a question... does anyone think that the EARS site is ok for kite flying?
[23:29] <solarballoonman> as I have a design I hope to make next year, that might beat 15.000ft altitude.
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[23:30] <mattbrejza> sibot: ...?
[23:30] <solarballoonman> And I'll need somewhere to test it, to a lower alt of course.
[23:30] <mattbrejza> also the ears site wont cover kites (their notam)
[23:33] <solarballoonman> ok, just have to try it an event that has a higher limit than normal.
[23:34] <mattbrejza> you can always apply for your own notam
[23:34] <solarballoonman> Oh. Just write to the caa and ask?
[23:35] <solarballoonman> Or go to Northampton, there is a group of kiteflyers meet first Sunday of the month, have a standing notam to 1.000ft.
[23:36] <mattbrejza> that works too
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[23:37] <solarballoonman> not that everyone obays it. Was at one meet when the Red Arrows flew over at about 600ft!
[23:37] <chrisstubbs> Embedded Visio in a Publisher document. Send help.
[23:37] <mattbrejza> its a 'fyi' rather than a do not fly
[23:38] <solarballoonman> ok.
[23:39] <solarballoonman> shutting up about kites. Anyone able to help chrisstubs with his problem?
[23:39] <mattbrejza> chrisstubbs: have you tried removing the power cord from the back of your pc?
[23:40] <chrisstubbs> People that "design" things in visio need to have a word with themselves
[23:41] <mattbrejza> probably just as bad as trying to get gnuplot to add $b_1^\mathrm{a}$ to an axis title in latex font
[23:43] Action: chrisstubbs is yet to use gnuplot
[23:46] <solarballoonman> latex font, isn't that for S&M text? :p
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[23:48] <WillTablet> What exactly is S&M?
[23:48] <mattbrejza> with good reason its usually said 'latek'
[23:49] <WillTablet> What is it?
[23:50] <mattbrejza> its what you use when you realise word is shit, but apparently putting up with latex is better
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[23:50] <mattbrejza> despite winning the award for the worst error messages of any programming language compiler
[23:50] <mattbrejza> (it was my award)
[23:51] <WillTablet> That's what s and m is?
[23:51] <mattbrejza> er
[23:51] <mattbrejza> not quite
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[23:54] <WillTablet> What is it?
[23:55] <mattbrejza> i think youre well aware its not something that should be discussed in this channel
[23:55] <solarballoonman> stuff that can only be described as ********
[23:56] <solarballoonman> or 18+
[23:57] <WillTablet> Screw it I'm googling it
[23:57] <WillTablet> EEWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[23:58] <chrisstubbs> Right im calling it a night, laters
[23:58] <chrisstubbs> lol Willdude123
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[23:58] <arko> yeah lets stop this conversation here
[23:58] <mattbrejza> there was that song by the same name that pretty much explains it
[23:58] <mattbrejza> and was played on radio stations regularly for a while
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