highaltitude.log.20131218

[00:00] <MLow-werk> i did a test and 3 minutes was like 100kb of text
[00:00] <arko> sample rate?
[00:00] <MLow-werk> it was filtered
[00:00] <WillTablet> How would I make a platform for the servos to work
[00:00] <MLow-werk> by an arduino, 10hz over serial of filtered stuff
[00:00] <arko> cool
[00:01] <arko> i found 30hz to be good enough
[00:01] <arko> for getting a good visual
[00:01] <chrisstubbs> arko, 2 flights today, 0 crashes :D
[00:01] <MLow-werk> the script I had written for 3ds max just tweened the keyframes
[00:01] <arko> chrisstubbs: bravo
[00:01] <arko> im usually 1 flight and 1 crash :P
[00:01] <MLow-werk> because the arduino would ouput xyz position and rotation data
[00:02] <arko> MLow-werk: thats the trick usually, rendering and interpolating (visual wise)
[00:02] <MLow-werk> with 3ds max it was trvial, just a regular tween on animation, then I rendered out a video from the side
[00:03] <arko> cool
[00:03] <MLow-werk> so im guessing no one has done something quite like that
[00:03] <arko> heck, test it, make it work on the ground, let it go and see what happens
[00:03] <arko> mmm
[00:04] <MLow-werk> id be really interested to do it with multiple payload changes
[00:04] <arko> most people get the data but no one i've seen has done an animation
[00:04] <MLow-werk> a tail-fin, rectangle, etc
[00:05] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FglEnYSAwdg
[00:05] <arko> there was that
[00:05] <MLow-werk> i've seen a few payload with tailfins but no conclusion on what it did
[00:05] <WillTablet> How do you actually get two servos to rotate an object?
[00:05] <arko> but its not animation
[00:06] <arko> usually by mounting the servos to the object
[00:06] <chrisstubbs> WillTablet, http://www.sbara.org/presentations/Antenna_Positioning_System_with_Arduino_K6VUG.pdf
[00:06] <WillTablet> http://www.dawnrobotics.co.uk/dagu-sensor-pan-tilt-kit/?gclid=COXw1vi8uLsCFWzHtAod33sAvQ
[00:06] <WillTablet> That might do it
[00:06] <MLow-werk> arko: thats interesting, i'll email that to me to watch when i get home
[00:07] <arko> yeah its pretty neat
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[00:07] <arko> so im sure if you have the data, you could animate it
[00:08] <LeoBodnar> "Pulse Width  1 to 2 microseconds" from http://www.sbara.org/presentations/Antenna_Positioning_System_with_Arduino_K6VUG.pdf get out!
[00:08] <arko> MLow-werk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbmcoL3OqPk
[00:08] <arko> this is one of my favorite visualizations
[00:10] <MLow-werk> arko: weird looking
[00:10] <WillTablet> thx for link chrisstubbsl
[00:11] <arko> wow 10C different between today and tomorrow
[00:11] <arko> going for 27C to 17C
[00:11] <arko> crazy
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:12] <WillTablet> I have an idea
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> arko, I got a question on your talk
[00:12] <WillTablet> Put a bb gun on the end of a yagi
[00:12] <WillTablet> So when I'm not using it it doubles up as a pigeon shooter
[00:12] <WillTablet> With high precision
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> what was the "heavy payloads on balloons in the US" slide for? I couldn't really understand the audio there
[00:13] <WillTablet> I can just see myself having hours of fun with that
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[00:16] <arko> Lunar_Lander: it was a joke
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
[00:17] <WillTablet> Why do servos only go 180 degrees?
[00:17] <SpeedEvil> WillTablet: Supply and demand
[00:19] <chrisstubbs> you can get 360 ones
[00:19] <SpeedEvil> It's a tiny bit cheaper to make them perhaps, but it's not really hard to make a 270 one
[00:19] <SpeedEvil> Or even 360 continuous
[00:20] <WillTablet> Right
[00:20] <SpeedEvil> Just that if you're doing most sorts of linkages - there is no point
[00:21] <SpeedEvil> Also - a motor geared to do 270 degrees will have either less speed or torque than one at 180
[00:21] <WillTablet> But for an antenna rotator you need 360
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[00:21] <WillTablet> Heh I wonder how I'd pole mount this http://www.dawnrobotics.co.uk/dagu-sensor-pan-tilt-kit/?gclid=CNKR_oS_uLsCFa3KtAodQH8APg
[00:22] <SpeedEvil> you really don't want to do that
[00:22] <SpeedEvil> those are very teeny servos - and will break right off
[00:22] <WillTablet> Where would I put it?
[00:22] <WillTablet> Ah ok
[00:23] <WillTablet> So they'd break under the load?
[00:25] <SpeedEvil> yes
[00:25] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-DC-3-5-RPM-High-Torque-Gear-Box-Electric-Motor-New-/321029390238?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&hash=item4abed7bf9e might be more suited
[00:27] <WillTablet> How about this?
[00:27] <WillTablet> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11965
[00:28] <SpeedEvil> In general, if you supported the servo so that it does not face any load other than torque - that would likely be fine for a rotator.
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> sparkfun are rarely cheap though
[00:30] <WillTablet> In terms of satellites, is a transponder a repeater?
[00:31] <SpeedEvil> http://dx.com/p/360-degree-rotary-steering-engine-black-121328 is an example of a rotary servo that goes all teh way around
[00:31] <SpeedEvil> A transponder is a reciever and a transmitter
[00:32] <SpeedEvil> A repeater is a transponder doing a certain job
[00:32] <WillTablet> I thought that was a transceiver
[00:33] <SpeedEvil> A transponder is usually used to refer to a device under computer or other control, not manual.
[00:33] <SpeedEvil> It's not really clear-cut
[00:33] <WillTablet> Right
[00:33] <WillTablet> Do you know what the funcube one does?
[00:34] <SpeedEvil> I know some of the funcubes are just simple SDR recievers.
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[00:43] <WillTablet> SpeedEvil: was referring to the satellite
[00:43] <WillTablet> :-)
[00:49] <arko> shouldn't you guys be asleep
[00:49] <arko> its like 1 billion o clock over there
[00:50] <arko> :P
[00:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah 1:50 in germany
[00:50] <arko> oh nvm
[00:50] <arko> so not too bad
[00:50] <arko> i forget
[00:50] <arko> oh man i cant wait to go to hamburg
[00:51] <Lunar_Lander> cool, what are you doing there?
[00:51] <arko> Miniatur Wunderland
[00:51] <arko> this coming summer
[00:51] <Lunar_Lander> awesome!
[00:51] <arko> then off to Wein to visit family
[00:57] <Lunar_Lander> nice
[00:57] <Lunar_Lander> maybe I will be in HH as well sometime in the summer
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[01:34] <MLow-werk> zzz
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[01:54] <MLow-werk> 300mw @ 5v = 60ma?
[01:55] <oh1hih> y
[01:56] <MLow-werk> my ohms law is rusty
[01:56] <MLow-werk> so if this radio uses 140ma, theres some efficiency to account for
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[02:08] <MLow-werk> so how do you guys go from rtty, decode, then to spacenear.us
[02:09] <MLow-werk> fl-digi is a program i've heard used, and i tried playing with it
[02:10] <MLow-werk> found it
[02:10] <MLow-werk> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
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[03:22] <MLow-werk> the energizer ultimate lithiums are 3000mah? wow
[03:24] <Darkside> yup
[03:24] <Darkside> and they dont lose capacity whn they get cold either
[03:24] <Darkside> its 3Ah right down to -50 dgres C
[03:27] <MLow-werk> i was trying to calculate how many i would need
[03:28] <MLow-werk> and the best I can calculate says that i would get 8h battery life at minimum, off one AA
[03:28] <MLow-werk> using a 80% efficient boost PSU
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[03:47] Action: heathkid hasn't found a better battery... and I've tested a LOT
[03:48] <heathkid> heh... a 14500 Li-Ion gets 8h too (but weighs more)
[03:48] <heathkid> simply can't beat the Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries for power, capacity, or weight!!!
[03:49] <heathkid> and since the 14500 (w/ protection) cuts out at like 2.5v... yet I can boost a singe 1.5v AA to what I need...
[03:49] <heathkid> well...
[03:49] <heathkid> the rechargables for testing
[03:50] <heathkid> Energizer Ultimate Lithium for flight!
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[03:52] <SpeedEvil> Zinc air and some lithium chemistries are somewhat to a lot better in principle, but the lithium is very high impedence and the zinc air ices up
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[04:15] <heathkid> no can anyone here prove that the Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA batteries aren't the BEST you can use in a HAB launch?
[04:15] <heathkid> power, capacity, weight?
[04:16] <heathkid> and resistance to cold
[04:16] <heathkid> :)
[04:16] <heathkid> and now no ^^^.... "so"
[04:17] <heathkid> dang
[04:17] <heathkid> not now.... "not"
[04:17] Action: heathkid can't type
[04:17] <Darkside> theres good reasons we all use them
[04:17] <Darkside> thy just work so well
[04:17] <heathkid> yep
[04:18] <Darkside> you *can* use a lipo, but you need to be drawing nough current continuously for it to heat itself
[04:18] <heathkid> I honestly hoped I could get a li-ion to work
[04:18] <Darkside> i.e. if you were transmitting 5w continuously you might get away with it
[04:18] <heathkid> but they weigh more
[04:18] <heathkid> and don't last as long
[04:18] <Darkside> heh
[04:18] <heathkid> would need solar recharging
[04:18] <heathkid> would last through the night though
[04:18] <heathkid> but solar plus recharging chip, etc. adds weight
[04:19] <heathkid> worth it? I don't know...
[04:19] <heathkid> transmitting 300mW once per minute
[04:19] <heathkid> I get 8 hours out of a 14500 Li-Ion (AA size)
[04:20] <heathkid> Darkside: you transmitting 5 WATTS!!! ???
[04:20] <heathkid> dang
[04:20] <Darkside> no
[04:20] <Darkside> well
[04:20] <Darkside> no
[04:21] <heathkid> lol
[04:21] <Darkside> we flew our crossband repeater with lipos onc
[04:21] <Darkside> once*
[04:21] <heathkid> and?
[04:21] <Darkside> that only dos 1W transmit, and there wasnt enough activity to stop th ebatteries failing
[04:21] <Darkside> so it died
[04:21] <heathkid> ah
[04:21] <Darkside> and we've flown with energizer lithiums evry time since
[04:21] <heathkid> they just work
[04:22] <Darkside> yep
[04:22] <heathkid> I've not flown yet... but know that
[04:22] <heathkid> like I said... lots of testing
[04:22] <Darkside> well hurry up thn
[04:22] <heathkid> heh... I need a tank of gas
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[04:22] <heathkid> have everything else
[04:22] <heathkid> just need gas
[04:23] <heathkid> H or He... I don't care
[04:23] <heathkid> but would prefer H
[04:23] <heathkid> as I plan on a LOT of launches
[04:23] <heathkid> and can't afford He
[04:23] <heathkid> for a 600g balloon it's like 115 cubic ft. of gas?
[04:24] <heathkid> 6' launch diameter (I know I need to check the lift... not the size)...
[04:24] <heathkid> but that's in the ballpark
[04:24] <heathkid> for a 20' diameter burst at >100k ft.
[04:25] <heathkid> for first launch I do NOT want a floater
[04:25] <heathkid> FAST ascent to >100k ft. to burst
[04:25] <heathkid> run the predictions every few days
[04:25] <heathkid> I can get it up and down within an hour drive
[04:26] <heathkid> total flight time is about 3.5 to 4 hours from launch to on the ground
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[04:26] <heathkid> am I even close?
[04:27] <heathkid> to fill it accurately I'd need a gas flow meter
[04:27] <heathkid> which I don't have
[04:27] <heathkid> but I promise my first launch will be to over 100k ft. and recovery within 60 miles
[04:28] <heathkid> one prediction had me only having to drive about 15 miles
[04:28] <heathkid> :) wish I had the gas for the balloon then!
[04:30] <heathkid> err... maybe the 115 cubic ft. of gas was for two 600g balloons...
[04:30] <heathkid> hmm
[04:30] <heathkid> have to go back and check
[04:30] <heathkid> Darkside: aren't you in the US?
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[04:44] <Darkside> heathkid: uhh nope
[04:44] <Darkside> im in australia
[04:46] <heathkid> oh, that's right
[04:47] <heathkid> I lose track
[04:47] <heathkid> really??? https://plus.google.com/103239532448324979707/posts/HnAJRj1TFFH
[04:48] <heathkid> 80 cores and 1TB of RAM
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[05:08] <MLow> home at last
[05:08] <MLow> 8 hours shifts suck
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[06:05] <MLow> right angle mcx connector has more loss than striaght?
[06:08] <Darkside> at higher frquencies, yes
[06:09] <MLow> hm, so what would that mean?
[06:10] <MLow> ghz?
[06:10] <Darkside> yah
[06:10] <MLow> so like at 440 not really so much?
[06:10] <Darkside> yeah i wouldnt be concerned at 440MHz
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[06:10] <Darkside> be more concerned about the loss in the cable you're using
[06:10] <Darkside> i.e. RG174
[06:10] <Darkside> particularly if you have a lot of it
[06:11] <MLow> i was wondering if it's worth getting a $6 straight adapter instead of the angled one
[06:11] <MLow> hmmm
[06:11] <Darkside> i'd be more concernd about mechanical stress on the connectors than anything
[06:11] <Darkside> if a right angld connctor is going to mean less chance to break off the socket, then do it
[06:11] <MLow> i plan on using my rtl-sdr with a usb extension for that reason
[06:13] <MLow> RG316
[06:14] <MLow> 6" of it
[06:16] <MLow> 25db loss @ 440mhz/100ft
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[06:22] <MLow> RG316 = 17
[06:23] <MLow> eh, i'll order a straight one, it's only 6 bucks
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[06:37] <MLow> all of my cameras are super heavy, and the ones on the wiki seem heavy
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[07:25] <Ericc> does this SDR dongle work well with receive the signal?
[07:25] <Ericc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Newsky-TV28T-v2-USB-DVB-T-RTL-SDR-Receiver-RTL2832U-R820T-Tuner-MCX-Input-/261184330101?pt=US_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item3ccfcc9975
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[07:39] <MLow> aw he left
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[08:15] <wd8mnv> it should, maybe able to fund it cheaper
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[08:23] <MLow> wd8mnv: i was going to answer with the one i got but he left
[08:23] <MLow> he gone
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[08:24] <wd8mnv> it's ok... it'll work : )
[08:25] <MLow> i got a nooelec one because it's said the cheapo ones dont have a diode on the antenna circuit
[08:29] <fsphil> no guarantee the non-cheap ones do either
[08:30] <MLow> i was recommended this seller
[08:30] <MLow> their page even includes a pic of their board with the diode highlighted lol
[08:30] <fsphil> ah
[08:30] <fsphil> nice
[08:30] <MLow> i was like, yeah it's worth the extra $3
[08:31] <MLow> paid $16 free shipping from new york
[08:31] <fsphil> not bad at all
[08:31] <fsphil> I wonder if they sell more of these things as DVB receivers or SDRs
[08:32] <MLow> my bad, they don't have the diode highlighted, but they include a pic of the bare board and you can clearly see D6 is on the antenna line
[08:32] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
[08:32] <DL1SGP> good morning :)
[08:32] <MLow> morning
[08:32] <fsphil> morn
[08:32] <MLow> well how bout that it IS morning
[08:33] <MLow> well the top of the case says "R820T SDR & DVB-T"
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[08:35] <LeoBodnar> gooood morning
[08:36] <jphoglund> morning
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[09:13] <fsphil> here we go again
[09:13] <tweetBot> @daveake: The Register writes up the CUSF HAB predictor http://t.co/VEc2UCTqm1 #UKHAS
[09:14] <daveake> need some net glue
[09:15] <fsphil> textbook operation
[09:15] <fsphil> I imagine a surgeon with a pair if scissors cutting up a notebook
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[09:18] <daveake> I'm imagining Edward Scissorhands as the surgeon
[09:18] <fsphil> hah
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[10:39] <uu4jlm_Valery> Tell me has a plugin for SdrSharp collaboration with DL-Fldigi?
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> You just link the audio channels together using something like VAC see http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
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[11:10] <MLow> hm
[11:10] <MLow> all of the packets that decode in mixw read as 1199 baud, mine read as 1201
[11:11] <uu4jlm_Valery> This is understandable, I do so
[11:12] <uu4jlm_Valery> That would like to tune the frequency was automatic.
[11:12] <LeoBodnar_> MLow: AX.25 is selfsyncing
[11:13] <fsphil> that's well within limits I'm sure
[11:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> uu4jlm_Valery, I use SDR-Radio to replace SDR# this has RigCAT control that allows dl-fldigi to control the VFO and track the signal
[11:15] <MLow> I was just wondering if it's related to my problem
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[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> the files you need to allow RigCAT control are here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/sdr_test_VFO.zip
[11:17] <MLow> mixw seems to have almost 100% decode of my signal
[11:17] <MLow> after much tinkering with the trim pots on my hx1
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[11:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Noe note the positions or use nail varnish to lock them ;-)
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[11:49] <Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/18/lohan_flight_prediction/
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[12:16] <uu4jlm_Valery> Jeff-G8DHE-, thank you I will try .
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[12:49] <LeoBodnar_> don't get stressed, it will arrive
[12:49] <LeoBodnar_> have you got the data from FAE yet?
[12:49] <LeoBodnar_> wrong window
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[13:00] <fsphil> agent FAE has been compromised. self destruct!
[13:02] <daveake_> "A fae is a humanoid mystical creature that wields great power in magic and elementals"
[13:02] <daveake_> It can look after itself then :)
[13:02] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
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[13:03] <LeoBodnar_> what the heck are elementals
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[13:03] <nats`> LeoBodnar rain ice and sun
[13:03] <nats`> youknow those crap killing your balloons
[13:04] <fsphil> we need more magic then
[13:07] <LeoBodnar_> I can see it's a slow day for everyone ;p
[13:08] <nats`> yep
[13:08] <nats`> I don't want to make a 1:250 transformer for an experiment
[13:08] <nats`> :\
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[13:34] <cm13g09> afternoon all
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[13:37] <craag> afternoon cm13g09
[13:38] <cm13g09> hey craag
[13:39] <cm13g09> Implementing a Windows AD + additional functions in a pure Linux environment
[13:39] <cm13g09> = fun
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[13:40] <Laurenceb> http://colossus.cs.rpi.edu/pictures/2013/November/11-1-2013%20-%20desk/DSCF4308.JPG
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: he's just a little bit nuts
[13:45] <Laurenceb> yeah
[13:45] <Laurenceb> but he has a raspberry pi so it must be good right
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[13:54] <Reb-SM3ULC> Laurenceb: wtf?
[13:55] <Laurenceb> i thought the same thing myself
[13:56] <Laurenceb> some kind of prototype multicore... thing
[13:58] <nats`> hey Laurenceb you found the azo setup :)
[13:58] <nats`> it's a testbench for fpga stuff
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[14:08] <MLow> good lord my desk is crazy
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[14:30] <MLow> so as far as offline tracking goes
[14:30] <fsphil> best kind of desk
[14:31] <MLow> fsphil: dude it's getting unreal with all the crap on it
[14:31] <MLow> my xyl came out of the room(its 830am btw) yelling once she saw it
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[14:32] <MLow> i wrote this thing in C# that does offline tracking of aprs
[14:33] <MLow> http://screencloud.net/v/aGjW
[14:34] <MLow> someones going shopping or something
[14:34] <MLow> with an aprs tracker in the van?
[14:35] <MLow> wait no thats a school
[14:35] <MLow> dropping the duckies off?
[14:35] <Laurenceb> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Soft66RTL-HF-VHF-SDR-including-RTL2832uR820T-/200990774470
[14:35] <Laurenceb> lolling
[14:36] <acidtechh> together with upconverter
[14:36] <acidtechh> ?
[14:37] <MLow> yeah, upconverter
[14:39] <MLow> whats with the lolling i dont get it
[14:43] <wd8mnv> all in one portable
[14:44] <wd8mnv> i have one
[14:44] <craag> Looks good to me. I mean it won't be great performance by any means, but it'll receive stuff :)
[14:44] <wd8mnv> HackRF One it's not
[14:45] <wd8mnv> mine's hooked to a phone line long wire, and is receiving China National radio on 7410 khz right now
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[16:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> Laurenceb: the Ultimate HAB-engine? ;)
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[16:46] <mclane> ping upu
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[16:47] <UpuWork> hi Mclaine
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[16:48] <mclane> hi upu, is the NTX2b available with 434.650 MHz?
[16:48] <mclane> like the old one?
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[16:48] <UpuWork> no I deliberately didn't get it in that frequency
[16:48] <UpuWork> as it upset the HAMsd
[16:49] <mclane> why that?
[16:52] <craag> It's a ham repeater input frequency/
[16:52] <UpuWork> its on a repeater input frequency and I got bored of the unsubstanted whining
[16:52] <mclane> ok understood
[16:52] <UpuWork> I stopped at 434.550
[16:52] <UpuWork> hardly got any left tbh need to order some more
[16:53] <UpuWork> I can get some on 650 if you want
[16:53] <UpuWork> thats actually the stock frequency
[16:53] <gonzo__> I wonder if the lpd allocation was dumped on top of the repeater allocation
[16:53] <gonzo__> or if the rsgb screwed up
[16:53] <mclane> upuwork: the .550 I have
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[16:55] <mclane> different question: what is your favorite pcb supplier (2-3 pieces, 9x6 cm double layer)
[16:55] <mclane> ?
[16:55] <UpuWork> Hackvana /join #hackvana
[16:55] <mclane> ah ok
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[16:58] <gonzo__> I can't see any reasen why the repearer inputs can't all move up to the top of the band
[16:58] <gonzo__> would make filtering far easier for the repeater owners
[16:59] <gonzo__> users radios are all wide band these days
[16:59] <mfa298> I thought the newer ones had inputs at the top of the band
[17:00] <craag> wide-split is more common now, as it makes the filtering easier.
[17:00] <craag> Although 70cm repeaters are a dying breed anyways
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[17:01] <gonzo__> I think that is because the narrow shift chans are all used
[17:02] <gonzo__> but wide shift is technically no rob these days
[17:02] <WillTablet> UpuWork you got time to change VPS.willdover.co.UK now?
[17:02] <mfa298> I think they all use the same output frequencies, just some have the 1.6 shift putting them at 434.6 for inputs and some are the wider 7.? shift.
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[17:04] <gonzo__> the rimary users are mainly interested in the output chans. so migratimng all repeaters inputs to the high end should be reasonablty doable
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[17:04] <gonzo__> but still wonder who was there first, repeaters or lpd
[17:04] <gonzo__> [[
[17:04] <gonzo__> l0l
[17:05] <mfa298> I think lpd (in terms of walkie talky radios) is fairly new, but I'm not sure when the ISM bits date back to.
[17:05] <gonzo__> oops, trying to get wire clipping out of the kbd
[17:05] <mfa298> I think I've got an old spectrum guide somewhere might have to dig it out.
[17:06] <gonzo__> I was lumping them all as lpd
[17:06] <mfa298> brb, got to find a post box.
[17:11] <LeoBodnar_> lolz http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/162992_trj001.gif
[17:12] <craag> lol Leo
[17:12] <KT5TK> Call all Hams in Arctica to turn on their receivers!
[17:13] <craag> Perfect for an arctic circle attempt
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[17:13] <craag> If they have an rtlsdr at the north pole station!
[17:13] <LeoBodnar_> more like arctic cycle
[17:14] <craag> :P
[17:16] <cm13g09> yay - this is fun....
[17:16] <cm13g09> Boss's PC just lost it's domain credential cache
[17:17] <cm13g09> Domain has been dead for months :P
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[17:23] <DL7AD> morning
[17:24] <x-f> morning
[17:25] <DL7AD> x-f: is there snow in latvia?
[17:26] <x-f> we had it for a few days, but not anymore, it is still unusually warm and dry autumn
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[17:28] <es5nhc> Snow gone in ES too
[17:28] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: arctic challenge time
[17:28] <LeoBodnar_> indeed
[17:28] <es5nhc> Snow is 410
[17:29] <LeoBodnar_> Snow is 404 here
[17:29] <Laurenceb> heh
[17:29] <x-f> geeks :)
[17:29] <Laurenceb> wonder if there is APRS in iceland?
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[17:30] <es5nhc> I know there is in Southern Estonia
[17:30] Nick change: 6JTAAQJSB -> arko
[17:30] <mfa298> hmm, it's cold outside, a wet kind of atmosphere!
[17:32] <Laurenceb> looks like some aprs in iceland
[17:33] <Laurenceb> Norway looks a better bet
[17:34] <craag> Yeah no APRS anywhere near that track
[17:34] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar_: any plans for balloons launches? :)
[17:34] <craag> or at least no i-gated aprs
[17:35] <Laurenceb> secret military aprs :P
[17:35] <x-f> even ISS wouldn't be visible from there
[17:35] <craag> Does anyone know the max live altitude thats been achieved by a gsm modem tracker?
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[17:37] <Laurenceb> about 2Km ?
[17:38] <x-f> apparently i briefly had signal on the plane while over Poland, if that counts
[17:38] <DL7AD> craag: i can use it up too 3000ft in my airplane
[17:39] <DL7AD> craag: you will have no chanse above.
[17:39] <craag> Ok cheers, I'm wondering whether anything could be done to push it up to pico altitude :P
[17:39] <craag> brb
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[17:42] <x-f> using GSM 900 it should be doable, less chance with 1800 MHz
[17:43] <x-f> imho
[17:43] <DL7AD> agree
[17:44] <DL7AD> you could use a satellite mobile connection :D
[17:46] <DL7AD> btw: Is russia fully covered with a gsm network?
[17:47] <craag> I'm sure most of it would be.
[17:47] <craag> satellite is not really easy on a pico :P
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[17:48] <DL7AD> craag: yeah you need a lot of power for that
[17:48] <Laurenceb> 434mhz is doable
[17:48] <Laurenceb> to argos
[17:49] <Laurenceb> but the argos people arent exactly easy to talk to
[17:50] <craag> Means that actually a heavier, low altitude pico, might be better than a Leo-style MAB.
[17:51] <craag> ALthough clouds/rain :(
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[17:53] <DL7AD> could anyone tell me where to buy latex balloons?
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[17:53] <Willdude123_> Ping Upu
[17:54] <craag> DL7AD: http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
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[17:55] <DL7AD> craag: thx....
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[17:58] <FASTed> arko: It was nice to meet you last night
[17:59] <craag> FASTed: Looks like he's netsplit
[17:59] <craag> He'll be back in a moment
[17:59] <FASTed> cool
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[18:09] <craag> Well it should be just a moment..
[18:10] Action: craag wonders what kind of party they're having over there..
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[18:10] <mfa298> irssi seems to think there are no netsplits
[18:10] <DL7AD> craag: 100g is out of stock ^^ damn
[18:11] <craag> DL7AD: :(
[18:11] <craag> I should get me some of those when they come back in.
[18:11] <DL7AD> is it your shop?
[18:11] <craag> Got a stack of the hwoyee 100gs when I thought they were <2m
[18:11] <craag> No, run by Steve G8KHW 'rocketboy'
[18:12] <craag> of the XABEN flights
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[18:15] <craag> FASTed: They're back :)
[18:17] <daveake> Haven't seen so many splits since Fleegle, Bingo, Drooper and Snorky
[18:17] <daveake> (you probably need to google that :-) )
[18:19] <FASTed> Is Steve from Random Engineering on this channel?
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[18:20] <Willdude123_> I don't know why but this is my favourite quote from bioshock infinite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6iZZg2qiBos#t=850
[18:21] <daveake> FASTed Sometimes
[18:21] <daveake> Briefly
[18:21] <FASTed> what is his name on this channel?
[18:21] <daveake> rocketboy
[18:21] <FASTed> OK thanks I will keep an eye out for him
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[19:12] <jcoxon> evening all
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[19:13] <craag> evening jcoxon
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[19:20] <alex__> hi!
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[19:23] <alex__> kriztov hi!
[19:23] <Willdude123_> Why is it that radio hams are so "old-fashioned" in the sense that they don't want to use echolink because it ruins the point? It's an interesting issue
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[19:25] <craag> Willdude123_: Each person has their own opinion of what the hobby is. It's best to leave everyone to their own opinions and don't try to enforce your own.
[19:25] <Willdude123_> Yeah
[19:25] <Willdude123_> It's just an interesting topic
[19:25] <Willdude123_> I was just saying NE could do with an internet link.
[19:25] <Willdude123_> For people like me
[19:26] <mfa298> It could be that it's a lot of effort to think about linking it with potentially not much benefit.
[19:26] <Willdude123_> Indeed.
[19:27] <Willdude123_> I guess the beauty of amateur radio is you can choose what you do
[19:27] <craag> Willdude123_: Have you seen we have 2m now on the websdr?
[19:27] <Willdude123_> Yes I did see that
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[19:27] <Willdude123_> You can chose to do it old school if you wish
[19:27] <mfa298> Repeaters tend to be sited in good radio locations which can mean they're not in good locations to get internet.
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[19:28] <craag> ^^ That is very true
[19:28] <Willdude123_> It can run over 3g
[19:28] <mfa298> one local repeater (GB3JB) doesn't even have a mains power supply (part of the reason it's currently offline)
[19:28] <craag> Willdude123_: voice links over 3g are expensive, and very bandwidth limited.
[19:28] <craag> Primarily expensive, who pays the data costs?
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[19:33] <LeoBodnar_> AR is probably the last means of communication not completely controlled by government or large businesses.
[19:35] <mfa298> Willdude123_: when I read some of the scrollback this morning it looked like you need to learn some units: 30' is different to 30cm and different again to 30"
[19:35] <Willdude123_> What time?
[19:35] <LeoBodnar_> 30 ticks back
[19:37] <mfa298> last night I think, probably midnight ish.
[19:38] <Willdude123_> mfa298: awfully sorry
[19:38] <mfa298> I think you were asking about yagi's and that will make a big difference.
[19:39] <mfa298> I think I first saw 30cm and wondered how you'de make a yagi that small (unless it's for a microwave band)
[19:39] <Willdude123_> mfa298: OK. I will learn some units. If you learn how your using your wrong/
[19:39] <Willdude123_> :P
[19:40] <LeoBodnar_> your learn your apostrophes
[19:41] <mfa298> Willdude123_: it's important, getting the wrong units is how accidents happen.
[19:42] <Willdude123_> mfa298: it was late :)
[19:44] <x-f> http://25.media.tumblr.com/074f6a7a371de43cbc28ac5aa98db12c/tumblr_mkp031r6Ee1snnbt8o1_r1_500.jpg
[19:45] <mfa298> Willdude123_: also be careful when trying to correct people. That's usually the point you make a mistake. I don't think I used your or you're in the above sentences. I did, however, miss-spell the shortened version of you would (and no doubt I've just made a spelling / gramatical error) :P </Pedant>
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[19:48] <Willdude123_> mfa298: not the above ones
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[19:51] <staylo_> There was at least one aircraft in the 80s significantly affected by unit mixup iirc
[19:51] <Willdude123_> mfa298: I think this was the incident I was referring to [12:22] <mfa298> have a message of "smile your on camera: ssdv/mugshots" and have a mugshots page on the ssdv site to make them think twice.
[19:51] <Willdude123_> There was a spacecraft staylo_ apparently
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[19:54] <mfa298> I just hope you never make a spelling or gramatical mistake on the internet.
[19:55] <ibanezmatt13> Anyone know of a quite affordable camcorder that records at least 720p with a decent battery life? Gonna fly NORB in the new year and researching cameras :)
[19:55] <Willdude123_> mfa298: Undoubtedly I will, sorry for being such a pedant!
[19:56] <ibanezmatt13> I've considered a GoPro but I can't justify getting one really after my recent outgoings :/
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[20:00] <mfa298> the 808 keychain cameras a cheap, just make sure it doesn't interfere with the gps first.
[20:01] <ibanezmatt13> mm, I've heard horror stories about those things. I'd probably rather be safe and avoid 808 cams tbh
[20:02] <staylo_> 'Techmoan' on youtube covers many of the gopro clones.
[20:02] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah, I watched his review on a cheap thing which does look really quite appropriate. How can I tell if it's 808 or not?
[20:02] <ibanezmatt13> TCL SVC200
[20:04] <staylo_> 808 is a meaningless term iirc, it's just the model number of an early keychain camera, reused to collect search hits
[20:04] <ibanezmatt13> ah I see
[20:05] <ibanezmatt13> I guess it's just a case of trial and error with these unknown brands
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[20:07] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: :)
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[20:12] <Upu> ping FASTed
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[20:13] <Willdude123_> Ping Upu
[20:13] <Upu> evening Will
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[20:27] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[20:28] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
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[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> Wonder if somone remembers Raul from two years ago who flew that LEGO spaceshuttle on a HAB
[20:32] <LeoBodnar_> ping *
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> he did something else with LEGO this time
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> a driving car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ObE4_nMCjE
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> I am amazed
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[22:21] <solarballoonman> Hi,
[22:28] <solarballoonman> Going to be rather windy for launches for a while. Anyone thought of kite altitude records?
[22:34] <fsphil> windy indeed. I'm keeping an eye on my hf antenna
[22:36] <solarballoonman> moving about a bit is it?
[22:37] <fsphil> it's not as vertical as I'd like :)
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> solarballoonman: there are strict limits to kite length
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> At least in the UK
[22:38] Action: SpeedEvil wonders what the limits are for kites flown from parachutes are.
[22:39] <solarballoonman> fsphil: not good. Just hope you don't hear a crash during the night.
[22:41] <solarballoonman> hight limit for kites, UNLESS caa permision is given is 60mtr / 200ft. Some festivals get clearence to 3000 ft.
[22:43] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
[22:46] <solarballoonman> SpeedEveil: don't you mean the other way round. It's ok so long as you keep pepole away from the droping area. World Record for teds droped, with packs from a kite is held by UK at 99.
[22:48] <solarballoonman> *SpeedEvil
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[22:50] <SpeedEvil> solarballoonman: No.
[22:50] <SpeedEvil> solarballoonman: I was sort-of-referring to the fact that it is legal (*) to fly around on a parachute towed by multiple 6kg r/c aircraft.
[22:51] <SpeedEvil> *) Based on my reading of the CAA rules - consult a lawyer.
[22:53] <solarballoonman> For members information, the kite records are:- 14.509ft single kite.(USA). Train of kites (8) 31.955ft Austria, (unbeaten since 1919!). UK (train 11) 18.600ft Single kite unknown beleved to be around 6.000ft.
[22:53] <solarballoonman> SpeedEvil: didn't know about that.
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> You need CAA permission for kites >30m IIRC.
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> It's quite a low limit.
[22:55] <fsphil> 31955 feet
[22:55] <fsphil> sibot gone?
[22:56] <arko> 31955feet
[22:56] <arko> aww
[22:56] <fsphil> 9740 metres
[22:56] <fsphil> that's really quite impressive
[22:56] <arko> did some do /dev/null/feet or something?
[22:56] <fsphil> maybe someone asked for 1/0 feet
[22:56] <arko> haha
[22:57] <fsphil> it's still working it out
[22:57] <daveake> it's quite a feat
[22:57] <fsphil> some day it'll take over and be our ruler
[22:57] <daveake> our imperial leader
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[22:58] <jcoxon> i miss sibot
[22:59] <arko> hahaha
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> evening everyonje
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> -j
[23:00] <DL7AD> you're wrong Lunar, good morning Lunar_Lander
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> morning :)
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[23:01] <jcoxon> hmmm my port of the ublox binary code to teensy is being a bit weird
[23:02] <bertrik> need C help? the new teensy 3.1 is looking very nice by the way
[23:02] <jcoxon> bertrik, well the its pretty clean C
[23:02] <jcoxon> it originally came from CUSF wombat code
[23:03] <jcoxon> i'm wondering if its more a teensy uart lib problem
[23:03] <jcoxon> though it could also be the GPS (which will be annoying)
[23:04] <jcoxon> bertrik, but yes teh 3.1 is very nice (especially the DAC)
[23:06] <fsphil> easy enough to access the dac?
[23:06] <jcoxon> on the 3,1
[23:07] <jcoxon> yeah very
[23:08] <solarballoonman> Sorry to go on, but IF anyone is interested in kites (other than myself), here is a link to the records page... http://kites.co.nz/pdffiles/world%20kite%20records.pdf
[23:09] <solarballoonman> Whoops please ingnore link
[23:11] Nick change: MLow -> MLow-werk
[23:11] <MLow-werk> ok now i have to figure out why port 22 isn't forwarding on my router
[23:12] <MLow-werk> had to remote desktop into a local machine just to get an ssh, ridiculous!
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[23:32] Action: solarballoonman pokes cuddykid
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[23:39] <solarballoonman> MLow-werk: lol, want him to reply to my query.
[23:43] <MLow-werk> yay got it working, port 22 outbound blocked at work
[23:44] <MLow-werk> i win. :|
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[23:48] <MLow-werk> cuddy lost his gopro
[23:48] <SiC> lost, wasn't it stolen?
[23:48] <MLow-werk> well ya
[23:49] <MLow-werk> has there been any progress with that? im still holding hope they might turn it in
[23:49] <MLow-werk> or call
[23:49] <MLow-werk> :(
[23:49] <SiC> not heard anything
[23:49] <SiC> would be surprised
[23:49] <SiC> probably on ebay as we speak
[23:49] <MLow-werk> i can hope right?
[23:49] <SiC> :o
[23:51] <MLow-werk> im looking for a camera to use
[23:51] <MLow-werk> light, cheap, good enough quality for my first
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[23:53] <fsphil> any cheap canon that can run CHDK is probably a good bet
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, PowerShot A490 for instance
[23:55] <WillTablet> Two hours till qrz.com sweepstakes
[23:55] <WillTablet> Should I stay up?
[23:57] <solarballoonman> depends if you want to, or think you can, without going to sleep.
[23:57] <WillTablet> I can
[23:57] <WillTablet> But I might be tired tomorrow
[23:57] <WillTablet> Or I could sleep for two hours
[23:58] <mfa298> probably not a good idea if you need to get up at a sensible time tomorrow
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[23:58] <mfa298> then again most of us aren't super human and need some sleep!
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