highaltitude.log.20131214

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[00:30] <M6KIK> fsphil oh numbers stations freak me out too
[00:31] <M6KIK> I guess that life on mars episode just made it a lot wors for my fear of tbe test xard
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[00:43] <Robbert> mext launch?
[00:45] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/AutJ7f8.jpg
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[00:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok its nearly 2 am, night all
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[03:37] <MLow-werk> yo dudes
[03:38] <MLow-werk> thats super lame my vps restarted
[03:39] <MLow-werk> it was all buggy and slow then dead
[03:40] <MLow-werk> can't wait to get home and try to get the gps working/readable by the arduino to send packets with actual DATA in them lol, instead of all 0000's
[03:41] <MLow-werk> :B
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[05:33] <MLow-werk> anyone alive?
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[05:48] <arko> sure why not
[05:48] <MLow> lol
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[05:53] <MLow> now my arduino reads the gps fine, and makes packets, but when it tries to transmit it doesnt decode
[06:08] <heathkid> APRS sucks...
[06:08] <heathkid> position is at best "you might see it"
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[06:12] <MLow> im not sure i understand?
[06:12] <MLow> your last message
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[06:16] <MLow> 10:08 < heathkid> position is at best "you might see it"
[06:16] <heathkid> doesn't matter
[06:16] <heathkid> APRS is at best within a few *hundred* feet
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[06:17] <heathkid> my GPS is accurate to within about 8 ft. but APRS messes that up and it's all over the place
[06:17] <SIbot> In real units: 8 ft = 2.44 m
[06:17] <MLow> im curious why you think that
[06:17] <heathkid> why I think what?
[06:18] <heathkid> why my stationary position last night was off by almost an 1/8 of a mile?
[06:18] <MLow> i mean to say, where do you think the issue is
[06:18] <heathkid> the 8 ft. is using a uBlox LEO-6T in stationary (timing mode)
[06:18] <SIbot> In real units: 8 ft = 2.44 m
[06:19] <heathkid> about 5 ft. Lat, 8 ft. Long.
[06:19] <SIbot> In real units: 5 ft = 1.52 m
[06:19] <heathkid> but the tracker is all over the place thanks to APRS
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[06:19] <heathkid> but still within say 1k ft.
[06:20] <heathkid> is that all APRS is good for?
[06:20] <DrPanda> Just put up an attempted trans-Atlantic balloon: aprs.fi/n9var-11
[06:20] <DrPanda> Right now it's over the Pacific...
[06:22] <heathkid> isn't that going the wrong way for a trans-Atlantic???
[06:22] <DrPanda> Yeah, I noticed that too
[06:22] <DrPanda> don't worry, it'll turn
[06:22] <MLow> its doable
[06:22] <heathkid> if it does and get sucked into this storm system....
[06:23] Action: heathkid is in Indiana
[06:23] <heathkid> jetstream is on your side
[06:23] <MLow> it'll probably be able to look down at it
[06:23] <heathkid> but you're too low
[06:23] <MLow> 19k ft right now
[06:24] <heathkid> I seriously wish you the best though
[06:24] <heathkid> 19.1k
[06:24] <DrPanda> Good. Still a long way to go. I think it will dip into Mexico before heading East
[06:24] <DrPanda> (Mexico counts as international, at least, right??)
[06:24] <heathkid> yep
[06:25] <MLow> not if your fron socal
[06:25] <heathkid> well... actually right now you're officially "International" in my books...
[06:25] <heathkid> kinda
[06:25] <MLow> btw ... Wide-1-1,WIDE-2-1?
[06:26] <heathkid> what did you launch?
[06:26] <DrPanda> tracker settings...
[06:26] <heathkid> size, tracker, payload, etc.?
[06:26] <DrPanda> 1600 g Hwoyee
[06:26] <heathkid> He or H?
[06:27] <DrPanda> big red bee tracker on American APRS (but configured to switch over to European APRS at 35 degrees longitude)
[06:27] <DrPanda> Hydrogen
[06:27] <DrPanda> package weighs 230 grams
[06:27] <heathkid> wow!
[06:27] <heathkid> that's pretty tiny for a 1600
[06:28] <DrPanda> thanks!
[06:28] <heathkid> uh... how do you have a N9 callsign?
[06:28] <DrPanda> We have two LiPo batteries aboard
[06:28] <DrPanda> I'm from Wisconsin
[06:28] <heathkid> ah
[06:28] <heathkid> I'm in Indiana with a KA8...
[06:29] <heathkid> got my novice in Michigan and never changed
[06:29] <DrPanda> :-)
[06:29] <heathkid> General now for a while
[06:29] <DrPanda> Michigan is Wisconsin's hat
[06:29] <heathkid> need to take test for Extra
[06:29] <heathkid> heh
[06:30] <heathkid> Wisconsin has great cheese... Michigan had Heath Company
[06:30] <heathkid> I still get cheese from Wisconsin...
[06:30] <DrPanda> mmmmm. Cheese. Heath is good too. What about Michigan cherries or tundra cakes?
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[06:31] <heathkid> I'm a "heathkid"....
[06:31] <heathkid> no cherries or tundra cakes
[06:31] <DrPanda> ah.
[06:31] <heathkid> but just got a 4th HERO-1 robot
[06:31] <DrPanda> what's that?
[06:32] <heathkid> google it
[06:32] <heathkid> arm kit is still unbuilt
[06:33] <heathkid> it's basically an "Educational Robot" that doesn't do squat
[06:33] <heathkid> but it's still awesome
[06:33] <heathkid> and the prototype was my friend when I was a kid
[06:33] <heathkid> his gripper was still made of wood at the time
[06:33] <DrPanda> that's cool! I though "heath" was the candy bar, not the robot.
[06:33] <heathkid> lol
[06:33] <heathkid> seriously?
[06:34] <DrPanda> seriously
[06:34] <heathkid> dates back to kit planes
[06:34] <DrPanda> but my mind was on food, so you have to make allowances
[06:34] <heathkid> then into electronics
[06:34] <heathkid> okay
[06:34] <heathkid> my mind is on sleep
[06:34] <heathkid> EST here...
[06:34] <heathkid> and several inches of snow
[06:35] <heathkid> it's cold
[06:35] <heathkid> I'm tired
[06:35] <heathkid> and off to bed....
[06:35] <DrPanda> yup, getting pretty late there. It's hard to sleep when there is snow and a moon. Too bright
[06:35] <DrPanda> night
[06:35] <heathkid> goodnight DrPanda
[06:35] <heathkid> it IS bright outside
[06:35] <heathkid> g'nite
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[06:56] <arko> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FN9VAR-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[06:56] <arko> floater in Los Angeles
[06:56] <arko> more so San Diego
[06:58] <arko> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=9&call=a%2FN9VAR-11&timerange=43200&tail=10000
[06:58] <arko> more tail
[07:01] <arko> UpuWork: Upu: ^
[07:01] <arko> its trying to go transatlantic
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[07:13] <KT5TK> OK I'll try to look at the predictions. I hope it'll pass by South Texas...
[07:13] <arko> probably within a day
[07:14] <arko> i'll bet at noon your time
[07:14] <arko> just a hunch
[07:15] <arko> KT5TK: you're awake!?
[07:15] <arko> oh wait
[07:15] <arko> 2 hours
[07:15] <arko> nvm
[07:23] <FASTed> Were at 32,133 feet
[07:23] <SIbot> In real units: 32,133 ft = 10 km
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[07:23] <arko> hahaha
[07:23] <KT5TK> Yes, doing predictions...
[07:24] <arko> soon the UK will wake up and someone will be able to put N9VAR on the spacenear tracker
[07:24] <arko> i cant exactly hear it from here though
[07:25] <arko> stupid mountains
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[07:25] <SpaceApple> lol
[07:25] <FASTed> you need a taller ladder
[07:25] <arko> im buried in the mountains of pasadena
[07:26] <FASTed> oh your in Pasadena...
[07:26] <FASTed> APRS.FI says the farthest north it can be heard is Irvine
[07:26] <SpaceApple> this is a real nailbiter. Where will it make land??
[07:29] <arko> FASTed: nah, i could hear it if i was inside mountains practically
[07:30] <arko> the green circle on aprs.fi means "you can totally hear this"
[07:30] <arko> blue is "radio horizon"
[07:31] <SpaceApple> oh, I thought green was for "awesome zone"
[07:31] <arko> 8-)
[07:31] <arko> danger zone
[07:31] <arko> damn, if i knew you guys were launching today i would have like to have watched the setup
[07:32] <arko> dig the flow meter
[07:32] <SpaceApple> yeah, it was a bit last minute
[07:32] <SpaceApple> wind advisory all weekend long, but there was a brief window of calm tonight
[07:33] <arko> i know the feeling all too well
[07:33] <arko> ok, gonna try the hackrf
[07:33] <arko> see if i can pick it up
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[07:35] <SpaceApple> sweet, lemme know if you hear it chirping
[07:35] <arko> whats the power?
[07:36] <SpaceApple> Land Ho! At the very tip of Point Loma
[07:37] <FASTed> pretty cool
[07:38] <arko> i was thinking about going san diego this weekend too
[07:38] <KT5TK> Might get a bit too far north for me: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=48979f720e8a34e9936dad267e592d4ee2833ce5
[07:39] <arko> but its going to the uk :D
[07:39] <arko> that is hab heaven
[07:39] <arko> radios everywhere
[07:40] <arko> FASTed: SpaceApple: whats the power?
[07:41] <SpaceApple> um...lots
[07:41] <SpaceApple> 10 W, I think
[07:41] <arko> WHAT THE HELL
[07:41] <arko> wow
[07:41] <arko> 10W!?
[07:41] <SpaceApple> now it's zipping along at 123 mph
[07:41] <arko> get the uk guys on the radio now
[07:41] <arko> i bet they can hear it :P
[07:41] <FASTed> yep picking up speed fast
[07:41] <arko> 07:41:04 N9VAR-11/K6TZ-10/W6SCE-10*>APBL10>UI,C,F0 (1199 baud):
[07:41] <arko> !3240.17N/11703.58WO093/107/A=038183V333
[07:41] <arko> hey!
[07:41] <arko> there it is
[07:41] <arko> :)
[07:41] <SpaceApple> oh, I know. but we don't want to wake them up just yet...
[07:42] <arko> 10W is just a crazy amount of power :P
[07:42] <arko> damn i love america
[07:42] <SpaceApple> yes, yes it is
[07:42] <arko> :)
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[07:43] <FASTed> arg arg arg
[07:43] <FASTed> doing my best TIm Talylor
[07:43] <arko> haha
[07:44] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQwYNca4iog
[07:45] <arko> 07:44:55 N9VAR-11/W6SCE-10*/WIDE2-1>APBL10>UI,C,F0 (1200 baud):
[07:45] <arko> !3239.81N/11654.65WO092/118/A=039279V322
[07:45] <arko> im not sure if thats raw packet or repeated
[07:45] <arko> i forget the packet structure
[07:46] <SpaceApple> Every grunt takes 14 minutes 37 seconds? I don't know whether to laugh or cry
[07:47] <arko> i suggest grunting if you cant choose
[07:47] <SpaceApple> yup. shoulda seen that one coming
[07:47] <arko> :P
[07:47] <arko> what's the raw packet suppose to look like?
[07:48] <arko> im not sure if im tracking it or if im hearing repeats
[07:48] <arko> 07:47:19 N9VAR-11/W6SCE-10*/WIDE2-1>APBL10>UI,C,F0 (1199 baud):
[07:48] <arko> !3239.70N/11648.99WO090/123/A=039926V333
[07:48] <arko> 07:47:20 N9VAR-11/K6TZ-10/W6SCE-10*>APBL10>UI,C,F0 (1199 baud):
[07:48] <arko> !3239.70N/11648.99WO090/123/A=039926V333
[07:48] <SpaceApple> I don't know what the difference would be
[07:48] <arko> ok
[07:48] <arko> i think im actually recieving it
[07:49] <arko> is this a byonics tracker?
[07:49] <KT5TK> No, bigredbee
[07:51] <SpaceApple> big red bee 2M tracker
[07:51] <SpaceApple> it's picking up speed. Now at 146 mph
[07:51] <SpaceApple> zipping along
[07:52] <arko> http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=-109.39,21.61,775
[07:52] <arko> its pretty fast winds there alright :P
[07:52] <SpaceApple> now that is pretty
[07:52] <arko> and its real data!
[07:53] <arko> heh, didnt think i would be up tonight trying to track a hab
[07:53] <SpaceApple> that's what makes it even better
[07:53] <arko> this is a nice turn of events
[07:53] <SpaceApple> :-)
[07:53] <arko> looks like aprs.fi will take care of it for you, but i'll keep my log just in case
[07:55] <SpaceApple> thanks, arko
[07:57] <FASTed> The BigRedBee transmits the battery voltage in hexadecimal as part of the APRS message.
[07:57] <arko> oh cool
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[07:57] <arko> yeah looks like these arent the raw packets from the hab
[07:57] <FASTed> 322=7.66V
[07:57] <arko> just repeats from other stations
[07:57] <KT5TK> do you remember the conversion formula?
[07:57] <arko> but doesnt hurt to keep them
[07:58] <G0HDI> m
[07:58] <arko> you guys are about to enter mexico
[07:58] <arko> hope you brought passports
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[07:59] <Upu> morning
[07:59] <arko> FASTed: how long are the batteries suppose to last?
[07:59] <arko> Upu: mornings
[07:59] <arko> Upu: http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FN9VAR-11&timerange=43200&tail=25000
[07:59] <arko> FASTed: and SpaceApple are attempting transatlantic
[07:59] <Upu> APRS only ?
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[08:00] <arko> i believe so
[08:00] <Upu> I'll import to snus shortly
[08:00] <arko> woot
[08:01] <arko> FASTed: SpaceApple: one of you Amanda?
[08:02] <SpaceApple> KT5TK, take first digit, multiply by 16^2, then add the next digit multiplied by 16 then add the last digit.
[08:02] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[08:02] <SpaceApple> something along those lines
[08:02] <SpaceApple> this is Amanda
[08:02] <SpaceApple> we are using APRS only
[08:02] <arko> cool
[08:02] <SpaceApple> but the beacon will change to 144.800 as it passes 35 degrees West
[08:02] <arko> this is Ara
[08:02] <SpaceApple> (I hope)
[08:03] <Upu> oh super
[08:03] <SpaceApple> Hi Ara
[08:03] <arko> gonna try to get you guys at UNLV a RTTY radio ready
[08:03] <arko> is the 21st launch still happening?
[08:03] <SpaceApple> as far as I know. Just depends on the weather
[08:03] <arko> cool
[08:04] <arko> i have all the parts, if i can get it built by the weekend I'll ship it out
[08:04] <arko> if you guys have the mass for it that is
[08:04] <Upu> certainly got some ground speed
[08:04] <SpaceApple> We wanted to do an up/down flight this weekend as well, but I don't think that will happen. Too windy.
[08:04] <SpaceApple> thx, arko
[08:04] <arko> cool
[08:05] <arko> let me know if you guys need help, im done with finals
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[08:05] <SpaceApple> Will do. You are welcome to join. I'll keep you posted by email. We scrubbed for Saturday morning so Sunday is the only possibility left
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[08:06] <arko> cool
[08:06] <cuddykid> predictions have held :) now just waiting on BOC to deliver...
[08:07] <cuddykid> afk
[08:07] <Upu> 66mph at the moment, imagine what its going to be when it hits the high winds
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[08:08] <Upu> what balloon and gas is it ?
[08:08] <SpaceApple> 1600 g Hwoyee, Hydrogen
[08:08] <Upu> excellent
[08:08] <Upu> payload weight ?
[08:08] <SpaceApple> 240 grams
[08:09] <Upu> in the lap of the latex gods
[08:09] <Upu> I shall go stretch a condom in honour of them
[08:09] <arko> very nice!
[08:09] <SpaceApple> and, wait for it....we have officially gone international
[08:09] <es5nhc> Talking about N9VAR-11?
[08:09] <arko> SpaceApple: FASTed: congrats, you've enter Mexico! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGgGCvuez14
[08:09] <arko> Upu: lol
[08:10] <SpaceApple> grab a cerveza
[08:10] <Upu> meanwhile back in darkest UK I best go walk my dog
[08:10] <Upu> 116mph btw...
[08:10] <SpaceApple> Well, now I know what I have to watch for the 113th time while I'm up all night.
[08:10] <arko> haha
[08:11] <arko> Super Troopers is one of my favorite movies
[08:11] <SpaceApple> yes, 2s5nhc, talking about n9var-11
[08:11] <es5nhc> Hmm... aprs.fi is screaming "Seriously bad path."
[08:11] <SpaceApple> oh mine too. I just laugh way to hard is the issue. I think I literally slap my knee
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[08:11] <MLow> whew
[08:11] <arko> dayum
[08:11] <MLow> that was a battle, my vps sucks
[08:12] <MLow> hows that balloon doing
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[08:12] <arko> its in the air
[08:12] <arko> doing balloon things
[08:13] <SpaceApple> shea in Mexico now
[08:14] <MLow> next stop texas?
[08:14] <MLow> so do we have any info on this craft?
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[08:14] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBbBfrKsVqY&t=44s
[08:14] <SpaceApple> next stop awesomville
[08:14] <MLow> see it's using a bigredbee
[08:15] <SpaceApple> yup. 2M unit.
[08:15] <MLow> who's the owner?
[08:15] <FASTed> Flying APple SPace Technology
[08:16] <SpaceApple> www.flyappe.org
[08:17] <SpaceApple> ooops. www.flyapple.org
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[08:17] <SpaceApple> 1600 g Hwoyee, Hydrogen, payload ~240 grams
[08:17] <SpaceApple> added 64.17 scf of gas
[08:19] <SpaceApple> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCqD6iFUXoY
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[08:20] <arko> appropriate
[08:20] <SpaceApple> I'm typically appropriate
[08:24] <MLow> so hydrogen huh
[08:25] <SpaceApple> shure nuff
[08:25] <MLow> that stuff scares me
[08:29] <MLow> it has gotten on the highway oh no
[08:29] <FASTed> 300=7.43 volts
[08:29] <arko> what are the batteries?
[08:30] <FASTed> Insterstate 2
[08:30] <SpaceApple> clunky mcclunkerstein brand batteries
[08:30] <arko> uh oh
[08:31] <FASTed> 1800 mAh 7.4V (two cell)
[08:31] <FASTed> two of them
[08:31] <arko> woah
[08:31] <arko> lipo's?
[08:31] <FASTed> yes
[08:31] <arko> wow
[08:31] <arko> how long will they last and are they rated for -40c?
[08:32] <FASTed> weve used them on many flights just not of this duration
[08:32] <FASTed> we shall see...
[08:32] <arko> uhh
[08:32] <arko> ok
[08:32] <FASTed> Dont know how long the will last exactly. Testing at home 70 hours or so
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[08:32] <SpaceApple> they do fine in the cold, a little drop in voltage, but still gets a signal out
[08:32] <arko> ok cool, so you did test it completely
[08:32] <arko> cool
[08:32] <craag> Lipos tend to be ok, just a fair amount below capacity at the low temps. Just don't try to charge them!
[08:33] <arko> the enegizer ultimate lithiums seem to be the best
[08:33] <arko> at the cold
[08:33] <arko> in general really
[08:34] <craag> yes
[08:34] <SpaceApple> they did just find in an overnight flight (about 20 hours flight) cold and all
[08:34] <arko> nice
[08:34] <SpaceApple> yeah, those energizer batteries are nice
[08:34] <SpaceApple> they must have some battery scientists over there or something
[08:35] <arko> http://www.batteryshowdown.com/static/images/mah_large_1000mA.png
[08:36] <arko> yeah, Lithium Iron Disulfide is awesome
[08:36] <arko> if only they made rechargables
[08:36] <SpaceApple> they mop the floor with the other batteries
[08:37] <arko> heh
[08:37] <arko> the nice thing is that they are super lightweight for the capacity
[08:38] <Upu> that graph sort of sums up why we use them
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[08:39] <SpaceApple> yes. They do have the disadvantage of needing many connections. The more points of connection, the more places things can get disconnected, in my experience
[08:39] <MLow> Upu: if u have a second i wanted to ask a question about ordering a ublox
[08:39] <Upu> shoot MLow
[08:39] <MLow> im in the US, can you ship over here?
[08:39] <Upu> absolutely
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[08:39] <cuddykid> BOC delivered just in time!
[08:40] <Upu> 08:10AM UKVille Upu Dog Walk http://i.imgur.com/pqFUbc3.jpg
[08:40] <MLow> ok, I want to do my first launch so I don't really want to break the budget or anything
[08:40] <Upu> sure
[08:40] <arko> Upu: beautiful
[08:40] <arko> :)
[08:40] <Upu> use coupon UKHAS at check out Mlow
[08:40] <MLow> what would you suggest
[08:40] <Upu> get 10% off
[08:40] <Upu> what are you plugging it into ?
[08:41] <MLow> well i haven't decided, but i figure i get the 3.3v tolerant one and if I end up doing 5v I'll use a level converter
[08:41] <MLow> or resistors or something
[08:41] <Upu> probably best decide first
[08:41] <Upu> however
[08:41] <Upu> check habduino.org out , look at the schematics and code
[08:42] <Upu> not suggesting you buy a habduino
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[08:42] <Upu> but may help your decision
[08:42] <MLow> well i have a couple arduinos im playing with
[08:42] <MLow> im familiar, can code, and have a basic rig working
[08:42] <Upu> Habduino is based around the Uno/Duemilanvo/Leonardo
[08:43] <Upu> I'll set tracker up for you cuddykid
[08:43] <MLow> i dont have an official arduino, i made them
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[08:44] <Upu> whats estimated launch time cuddykid ?
[08:44] <Upu> oh 11am found it sorry
[08:46] <MLow> i guess im really just confused about the price, since it's not in USD
[08:46] <MLow> i suppose i could google and find out about antenna I should get
[08:46] <Upu> radio antenna ?
[08:47] <MLow> gps
[08:47] <Upu> anything on my site is suitable for HAB
[08:47] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=68
[08:47] <DL1SGP1> good morning all
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[08:47] <Upu> thats got the Sarantel and built in level converters
[08:48] <arko> SpaceApple: FASTed: best of luck, im out for the night
[08:48] <SpaceApple> great. thanks and see you on the flipside
[08:48] <Upu> and its about $1.5 to the pound so just add 50% ish
[08:48] <MLow> would it also work if i decided to use a 3.3v arduino?
[08:48] <Upu> no
[08:48] <DL1SGP1> Upu, will you be selling He and H and balloons one day, then one could do all the shopping with you :)
[08:48] Action: arko notes to watch apollo 13 tomorrow night
[08:49] <Upu> that's Steve's department DL1SGP1
[08:49] <DL1SGP1> ah :D
[08:49] <Upu> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html
[08:49] <MLow> Airsure vs. International Signed?
[08:50] <Upu> between you an me I'll send it airsure no matter what you pick as its only 10p more
[08:50] <Upu> and trackable
[08:50] <DL1SGP1> yeah Airsure rocks :)
[08:51] <MLow> lol ok
[08:51] <MLow> im just not familiar i was curious
[08:51] <Upu> that picture on Steve's site should be captions "China's first Mars orbiting satellite arrived in orbit this week"
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[08:52] <DL1SGP1> Mars -- The Red Planet ... no doubt China has interest
[08:52] <MLow> hahaa
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[08:54] <DL1SGP1> goedenmorgen PE2G
[08:55] <PE2G> Gutennorgen DL1SGP1
[08:55] <MLow> is VAT like just the sales tax, cause wow 20% is huge
[08:56] <PE2G> *Morgen
[08:56] <DL1SGP1> :)
[08:57] <Upu> yes
[08:57] <Upu> I know and I can't remove it at the moment
[08:57] <Upu> but use UKHAS coupon
[08:59] <MLow> its all good
[08:59] <MLow> tax is tax, i wasn't complaining i pay my tax lol just curious it's 8% here
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[09:02] <cuddykid> very calm wind wise here - not what they forecast
[09:05] <cuddykid> going to pop some extra stirks in to try and avoid cambridge landing
[09:05] <cuddykid> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=847998bc424af894f7d8dff3e7396863f7e7d32b
[09:05] <cuddykid> got the chase bike ready?
[09:05] <cm13g09> extra stirks :P
[09:06] Action: cm13g09 attempts to install Windows quick enough to track
[09:06] <MLow> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=65 thats a neat looking radio
[09:07] <Upu> the NTX2B is better but not frequency agile
[09:07] <MLow> better how?
[09:07] Action: cm13g09 will bbs - time to install Windows 7 for tracking
[09:08] <Upu> it is more robust and has a TCXO in so the frequency is very stable
[09:08] <MLow> hm
[09:08] <Upu> as the RFM22B cools and heats the transmission frequency goes up and down
[09:09] <MLow> got it
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[09:09] <Upu> morning S_Mark
[09:09] <S_Mark> Hello
[09:10] <Upu> Cassie recovered from her Helium inhaleation ?
[09:10] <S_Mark> Haha
[09:10] <S_Mark> Yes just about
[09:10] <Upu> I had that on at work
[09:10] <Upu> and everyone else was wtf are you watching
[09:10] <S_Mark> lol!!
[09:11] <Upu> sadly "santa in space" didn't stop the questions
[09:11] <S_Mark> hohohope they were hooked by the end of it though lol
[09:11] <Upu> :)
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[09:12] <MLow> ok i suppose i should ask if anyone has a sec, radio antennas, for HAB
[09:12] <MLow> what direction should i look
[09:13] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payloadantenna?s[]=payload&s[]=antenna
[09:14] <S_Mark> right off for now, catch you all soon!
[09:14] <MLow> awesome sauce
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[09:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good Morning
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[09:20] <MLow> morning
[09:21] <cuddykid> time to head down to launch site - will take me a good 20/30mins to wheel h2 cylinders down
[09:21] <cuddykid> I might try and stream live..
[09:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Have a good flight Matey
[09:21] <cuddykid> thanks
[09:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> I@m off to W&S open day later. I'll see if your still up then
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[09:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi James
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[09:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> Adam, what shift is it?
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[09:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh well.... Anyone know what shift HABE is going to be?
[09:25] <MLow> i assume that webpage has measurements for 434mhz not 144
[09:26] <daveake> Last time was 770Hz
[09:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> Blimey, that's wide
[09:26] <daveake> Just searched zeusbot
[09:26] <daveake> But yes his are usually wide
[09:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, I was going to tweet it but I@ll leave it out.
[09:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm sure anyone who needs the info can find out in here
[09:26] <daveake> He may have several trackers so could be anything
[09:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Dave
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[09:29] <daveake> Well, I've ordered the advanced licence book now :)
[09:30] <daveake> onwards and upwards
[09:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool stuff daveake :D
[09:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> You'll soon be an M0
[09:31] <jcoxon> daveake, at this rate i'll have to progress in my licence too
[09:31] <daveake> Need to get to M0RPI before anyone else does :)
[09:32] <daveake> jcoxon you're foundation or inter?
[09:32] <jcoxon> just a foundation
[09:32] <daveake> thought so but my memory is lousy
[09:32] <jcoxon> how long did you inter course take?
[09:32] <daveake> craag set up an inter exam for me at soton this week
[09:32] <daveake> course? :p
[09:32] <daveake> I read the book the night before :/
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[09:33] <jcoxon> aaaa clever
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[09:33] <jcoxon> cause usually they are advertised as 2 weekends
[09:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> My electronic theory isn't what it once was but if either of you need help with Morse, let me know.
[09:33] <daveake> well I didn't need to read the electronics stuff, having a degree and whatnot
[09:34] <daveake> morse? there's morse??
[09:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> YOu do have to have 'an understanding' don't you?
[09:34] <daveake> no idea
[09:34] <daveake> thought I'd done all I needed for the foundation
[09:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh, you may be right. I'm a little out of touch with the exam structure
[09:35] <daveake> I'd have done all this when I was a teenager but the morse put me right off
[09:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Awww, that's such a shame
[09:35] <eroomde> i recall having to decode some morse
[09:36] <daveake> mind you, marconi was still warm in his grave when I was a kid :p
[09:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> You could have been a G3/G0
[09:36] <iain_g4sgx> No morse test any more..
[09:36] <daveake> good. thought not
[09:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> I know there's no seperate test but I thought there were a few elements
[09:36] <daveake> archaic idea
[09:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> It certianly doesn't fit with the times.
[09:37] <iain_g4sgx> Ah but its the only didgital mode the human brain can decode.. great s/n advantage over voice
[09:38] <daveake> I can hear when a gps has a lock over rtty, but yes :)
[09:38] <iain_g4sgx> but now we have pc's, tis true. no need any more..
[09:38] <g0azs> I disgree... morse is an excellent mode but then we could flog this one for ages :-)
[09:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, lets not get into it.
[09:38] <daveake> it's an excellent mode that I have no use for whatsoever
[09:38] <jcoxon> yes its probably best time to move on
[09:38] <jcoxon> so
[09:38] <eroomde> no let's talk about morse
[09:38] <daveake> jcoxon You'll have no trouble doing the inter
[09:38] <jcoxon> trans-a on its way it looks like
[09:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> However - I will say that it's a magic mode and I love it. Nuff said.
[09:39] <iain_g4sgx> me too. Just got my FCD to work as a cw-skimmer, luv my FCD
[09:39] <g0azs> daveake: good luck with the exam in any case
[09:39] <daveake> ta :)
[09:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool iain
[09:40] <iain_g4sgx> Now uploading to the reverse beacon net on 10M as theres a contest on.
[09:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's the weekend, of course there's a contest :-)
[09:40] <eroomde> i'm sure one could invent a better morse
[09:41] <eroomde> optimising for the human brain's ability to pattern-match with rhythms
[09:41] Action: LazyLeopard as trying to use RBN to test a 10m antenna yesterday, but ended up in (short) QSO with AA0AW instead... ;)
[09:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> RBN?
[09:41] <eroomde> but that isn't OOK, which has an energy-per-symbol (for a given bit error rate) straight from the old testament
[09:42] <craag> eroomde: We were discussing huffman-coded fsk as a replacement the other night at the uni club.
[09:42] <LazyLeopard> ReverseBeacon.Net
[09:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh, Reverse Beacon Net... sorry, slow this morning
[09:42] <LazyLeopard> Heh ;)
[09:42] <eroomde> craag: sure, though i'm not sure how good the brain would be at coping with it
[09:43] <eroomde> i think it's better at time coding rather than freq coding. maybe variable-bit-length fsk
[09:43] <eroomde> the lookup is impressive. i can often just hear the opening chord of a bit of music and then exactly which of thousands of bits of music it is
[09:44] <daveake> interesting thought
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[09:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> FYI Dave, FLDigi sets HABE shift at 425Hz
[09:44] <daveake> ok
[09:45] <jcoxon> eroomde, have you seen the teensy 3.1
[09:45] <eroomde> i often notice this with my voicemail
[09:45] <jcoxon> potentially this will either get a thumbs up or a angry disapproval
[09:45] <eroomde> when it entirely monotonely announces the number who calls with equal time per number, i find it really hard to transcribe
[09:46] <eroomde> but if there's a bit of rhythm when someone tells you a phone number, it makes it easier for my brain to parse
[09:46] <jcoxon> you know zeusbot
[09:46] <jcoxon> eroomde, http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/teensy31.html
[09:47] <eroomde> got it
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[09:47] <eroomde> i've not seen it
[09:47] <jcoxon> quite a nice package
[09:47] <jcoxon> got a DAC
[09:47] <eroomde> given i design PCBs and can get them made easily through work, these kind of things are a moot point for me, really
[09:47] <jcoxon> while its got modified arduino libs it also has the cmsis-dsp
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[09:47] <jcoxon> yeah it was more for hte rest of us
[09:48] <eroomde> but yes, 12-bit dac would yeild some very interesting possibilities
[09:48] <eroomde> easy dominoex
[09:48] <LazyLeopard> iain_g4sgx: Ah, yes, I see lots of spots in RBN ;)
[09:48] <jcoxon> i unfortuantely got a 3.0 about a month ago
[09:48] <jcoxon> and then they released the 3.1 with its dac
[09:49] <iain_g4sgx> The Skimmer takes the I/Q direct, no need foir a sound card, its great, seems to be wuite sensitive too in comparison to the other skimmers
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[09:50] <cm13g09> aha - now the age old puzzle: Getting network drivers onto my desktop with no network connection :P
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[10:06] <MLow> i havent had that problem in like 5+ years
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[10:07] <cm13g09> MLow: Windows 7 doesn't include RTL8111/8168 drivers
[10:08] <cm13g09> my board has an 8111E on it
[10:09] <cm13g09> 138 updates later.....
[10:09] <MLow> haha
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[10:10] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
[10:10] <cm13g09> morning Herman-PB0AHX
[10:10] <daveake> If you think that's bad ... my chase car PC decided to do zillions of Windows updates on a chase - http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/P1080101.jpg
[10:11] <cm13g09> daveake: AH
[10:11] <cm13g09> well I'm going to attempt to set up an RX station for today's launch....
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[10:11] <DutchMillbt> goedemorgen Herman
[10:12] <MLow> what launch today?
[10:12] <Upu> morning Herman
[10:12] <Upu> Cuddykids
[10:12] <Upu> and a transA attempt from the States
[10:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> DutchMillbt: goeden morgen ben je er klaar voor
[10:12] <Upu> in the air right now
[10:12] <cm13g09> the fun bit is deciding at 9:30 you're going to have a go....
[10:12] <MLow> ah
[10:12] <cm13g09> and having 1hr30 to set up an rx station
[10:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> morning Upu
[10:12] <mfa298> cm13g09: good luck, knowing windows it'll take three hours to install the updates
[10:12] <cm13g09> when you don't have a working Windows install ;)
[10:12] <MLow> where is cuddykids launch?
[10:12] <DutchMillbt> ja zeker ;-)
[10:13] <cm13g09> mfa298: I'm just glad my home internet is better than work
[10:13] <Herman-PB0AHX> GL Upu
[10:13] <cm13g09> 138 updates, 910.3MB, ~20 mins to download :)
[10:13] <Upu> not me launching
[10:14] <cm13g09> Work, 138 updates, 910.3MB, ~2 hours to download :(
[10:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> no a litle bit from u Upu
[10:15] <mfa298> I found a fix for the lack of network drivers issue, use a 3G stick for the inital updates (added in most required drivers) (my 3G payg has >3GB left on it and expires in a few days so might as well use it up!)
[10:15] <cm13g09> mfa298: that works....
[10:15] <cm13g09> I just found the original driver disk
[10:15] <MLow> 3g sticks dont need drivers?
[10:15] <cm13g09> and then let that do the work ;)
[10:15] <cm13g09> MLow: most are a dual purpose device....
[10:15] <cm13g09> 1) 3G Modem
[10:16] <mfa298> MLow: the ones I've used appear as a CD drive first to install the required drivers.
[10:16] <cm13g09> 2) Read only USB stick
[10:17] <cm13g09> and mfa298, installing updates on an i7 920 based system, with a 6Gb/s SATA disk and 12GB of RAM shouldn't take long
[10:17] <cm13g09> it can probably cache all the updates and the disk in RAM :P
[10:17] <mfa298> the one I was using doesn't even appear as a 3G Modem, it's using an NDIS network - not sure I like that design so much (especially as I was geting a real IP when using a 3G modem)
[10:17] <cm13g09> heh
[10:19] <cm13g09> yay for Microsoft % :P
[10:19] <cm13g09> (66%, 82%, 83%)
[10:22] <cm13g09> mfa298: Downloaded ;)
[10:23] <cm13g09> 15 minutes to download that lot....
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[10:23] <MLow> cool
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[10:23] <cm13g09> MLow: I'm spoilt with the internet at home.... 24Mbps DSL that actually is :)
[10:23] <cm13g09> At work we have a 10Mbps shared between 20 offices....
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[10:25] <MLow> ouch
[10:26] <MLow> 50mbps here with google fiber coming soon
[10:26] <cuddykid> about to begin filling
[10:26] <cuddykid> slightly later than scheduled :P
[10:28] <cm13g09> cuddykid: good - gives me time to finish this PC off before you launch ;)
[10:28] <cm13g09> we're about 1/3 of the way through batch 1/3 of Windows Updates :P
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[10:29] <DL1SGP1> so launch is expected at launchtime + ish
[10:29] <cm13g09> DL1SGP1: yes, that's usual ;)
[10:29] <nats`> woooo there is a launch today ?
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[10:30] <nats`> where do you plan to launch ?
[10:30] <mfa298> 0 ish is fairly rare and -ve ish even rarer
[10:30] <cm13g09> mfa298: quite :)
[10:32] <daveake> I've only ever done a 0 once
[10:32] <DL1SGP1> nats`: launch is in Worcester area, predicted landing near Cambridge ... recovery operations will be conducted by HAB-fellows
[10:32] <daveake> And that was when we had to catch the eurotunnel to chase it :)
[10:32] <nats`> ohh oky will never fly over france :)
[10:32] <DL1SGP1> who knows :D
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[10:33] Action: G8TMV is ready and set for tracking
[10:33] <cm13g09> daveake: lol - Was that by design?
[10:33] <daveake> Oh yes
[10:34] <cm13g09> ah OK
[10:34] <daveake> Started with the train timetable and worked back from there :)
[10:34] <cm13g09> hehe
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[10:34] <cm13g09> and then presumably daveake, you worked on the basis of no delays
[10:35] <cm13g09> (on the Chunnel)
[10:35] <daveake> yup
[10:36] <cm13g09> heh
[10:36] <daveake> unfortunately we didn't have enough listeners and/or the signal was weak on the way down, and the last fix was at 20km up
[10:36] <cm13g09> oh dear
[10:36] <daveake> It was still receovered though!
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[10:36] <cm13g09> wow
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[10:36] <cm13g09> ok
[10:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning all
[10:36] <daveake> Belgium is flat you see :)
[10:36] <nats`> we need people with plane
[10:36] <nats`> putting RX stuff on the plane and seek for balloon :)
[10:37] Action: cm13g09 waits while the remaining 79 Windows Updates install
[10:37] <daveake> If there's a record for "highest lost signal but still receovered by radio" that has to get it
[10:37] <cm13g09> I'd say so.....
[10:37] <cm13g09> Aw shucks... .NET 3.5.1 and .NET 4
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[10:41] <iain_g4sgx> Is there a recent prediction for HABE?
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[10:43] <Upu> ping Arko
[10:43] <VK4HIA> Gday All, what antennas are you usig for 70cm rx mobile?
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[10:43] <Upu> hi VK4HIA I use a Diamond MR-77 mag
[10:43] <ibanezmatt13> me too
[10:44] <VK4HIA> OK, I have the SG-7900. may be too higher gain.
[10:44] <VK4HIA> Was thinking an egg beater
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[10:45] <VK4HIA> No problems rxing while direct overhead?
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Habe last I saw this morning was http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=847998bc424af894f7d8dff3e7396863f7e7d32b
[10:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is anyone going to the Waters & Stanton open day today in Hockley?
[10:50] <G8TMV> Looks like HABE is heading for Tesco at Bar Hill
[10:51] <eroomde> i used to love that tesco
[10:51] <eroomde> it said to me 'i have a car despite being a student'
[10:51] <eroomde> it was a manifestation of freedom
[10:52] <G8TMV> eroomde: I don't think I've ever used it - the last time I visited Bar Hill was before it was built
[10:52] <jonsowman> haha, that was the Coldham's Ln Sainsbury's for me
[10:53] <eroomde> seeing cam dissappear in the rear-view mirror was a useful thing, every now and then
[10:53] <jonsowman> :D
[10:53] <jonsowman> escape the bubble
[10:54] <cm13g09> other than Windows Updates
[10:54] <cm13g09> my tracking station is ready
[10:55] <fsphil> who's flying N9VAR-11?
[10:56] <cuddykid> ok guys
[10:56] <cuddykid> filled, tracker turned on
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Listening, but I won't hear it yet ....
[10:56] <G8TMV> cuddykid: dial freq when you know it please?
[10:57] <cuddykid> 434.2
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[10:57] <cuddykid> pretty much bang on
[10:57] <cuddykid> uploading now
[10:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Whats the Shift Adam?
[10:57] <cuddykid> will turn camera on and then launch in a few mins
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> G8ZBJ is best hope at launch
[10:57] <cuddykid> 425
[10:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> ON THE MAP
[10:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers
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[10:59] <cm13g09> I thought doing a Windows install would be a bit of a push
[11:00] <cm13g09> esp since I think it lacks SP1
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[11:01] <tweetBot> @Project_HAB: $$HABE Readying for launch from Worcester: 434.200MHz USB+/-,50bd-7n1 425Hz Shift Follow the action on: http://t.co/s4m8lDiz1F #hamr #ukhas
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[11:04] <cuddykid> up
[11:04] <M6KIK> Hello
[11:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Bon Voyage
[11:05] <fsphil> good luck!
[11:06] <cm13g09> lol at the live prediction....
[11:06] <cm13g09> seems to be aiming for me :P
[11:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sadly, I won't be able to track, I'm just about to leave for Hockley...
[11:07] <cuddykid> one of extra battery pack leads came off as I was packing payload - hope it lasts the trip
[11:07] <cm13g09> hmm
[11:07] <cm13g09> and I just wish these damned WUs would finish installing
[11:08] <M6KIK> Ah the joy of sitting at my PC playing battlefield 4 while waiting for SSTV to pop up on 14 230
[11:08] <cm13g09> 58 updates to go :P
[11:08] <M6KIK> Why do people still use analog image modes?
[11:08] <g0azs> HABE very strong here
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[11:09] <M6KIK> Surely there's stuff like SSDV which could possibly have better quality
[11:09] <cuddykid> can someone update the predicted burst to 27800m?
[11:09] <wd8mnv> i'm trying to dig a signal out of the mud on 6170 KHz
[11:09] <cuddykid> 800g Hwoyee with ~600g payload
[11:09] <cuddykid> descent rate should be around 5ms with a 30" chute
[11:10] <g0azs> Some QSB
[11:11] <DL1SGP> Good Luck for the flight Adam, good luck for the recovery dear HAB-Recovery-Unit
[11:11] <cuddykid> thanks DL1SGP
[11:11] <mattltm> Mornin all :)
[11:12] Action: G8TMV has the telemetry
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[11:12] <fsphil> morn mattltm
[11:12] <mattltm> Hey Phil :)
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[11:14] <fsphil> I'm surprised my colinear is still on the roof. the wind here is serious today
[11:15] Action: cm13g09 is not getting anything :(
[11:15] <cm13g09> then again, I don't have the luxury of an antenna on the roof :P
[11:16] <G0HDI> First green decode here
[11:16] Action: Geoff-G8DHE just faintly in w/f
[11:16] <cm13g09> is the freq spot on?
[11:16] <cm13g09> and/or dial frequency?
[11:17] <G8TMV> 434.2 and audio at 1500Hz
[11:17] <G0HDI> 434.2 slight wavering here
[11:17] <cm13g09> ok
[11:17] <G0HDI> My shift 460
[11:18] <G8TMV> I'm using 450
[11:18] <g0azs> Dial 434.20145 for 1500 Hz audio with shift 460
[11:18] <cm13g09> ok
[11:18] <g0azs> I think its more like 465
[11:18] <cm13g09> my SDRSharp is being awkward :P
[11:19] <cm13g09> and/or I can't see it :P
[11:19] <chrisstubbs> back to windows cm13g09?
[11:19] <cm13g09> yes
[11:19] <mfa298> cm13g09: I've only just started hearing it and that's with real radios.
[11:19] <cm13g09> mfa298: ok
[11:20] <chrisstubbs> Yeah its pretty weak here too, can see it but no decodes
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> lot of QSB
[11:20] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: well I have no chance then :P
[11:20] Action: chrisstubbs opens speacenear.us
[11:21] <g0azs> Quite strong S4 indicated on my rather mean 706 iI G S-meter
[11:21] <chrisstubbs> 6KM, give it some time
[11:21] Action: mfa298 points chrisstubbs at http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/
[11:21] <chrisstubbs> wow its coming close to us cm13g09
[11:21] <chrisstubbs> oooh yay OSM
[11:22] <mfa298> chrisstubbs: also OS (via bing)
[11:22] <mfa298> click the layers button at the top right
[11:22] <chrisstubbs> thats pretty neat
[11:22] <chrisstubbs> nice work craag
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[11:23] <G0HDI> 434.201 now as was climbing off the top end waterfall
[11:23] Action: Geoff-G8DHE Has a green decode
[11:23] <mfa298> I'm trying to get OS direct from OS via openspaces but that's a bit more tricky - but I think it gives more zoom levels
[11:23] <G0HDI> Nice one !
[11:23] <cm13g09> not a jot on my waterfall :(
[11:24] <mfa298> M6KIK: there's also some digital sstv on 20m look up easypal
[11:25] <cm13g09> I have a nice continuous tone at 434.150
[11:25] <cm13g09> but that's all I see :(
[11:25] <cm13g09> back in ~20 mins
[11:25] <chrisstubbs> what antenna cm13g09?
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/HABE11_20131214/
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[11:30] <G8APZ> Gone very weak here
[11:31] <G8TMV> I'm seeing some QSB
[11:31] <fsphil> earth still in the way here
[11:31] <G8TMV> it's drifting higher in freq too
[11:31] <fsphil> dial still bang on 434.200?
[11:31] <G8TMV> my dial is now 434.200.59
[11:32] <G8TMV> dl-fldigi has shifted the rig up that much
[11:32] <fsphil> yay autotune
[11:32] <G0HDI> .201 and still slowly climbing up the waterfall
[11:32] <fsphil> ah there we go
[11:33] <fsphil> see it on the waterfall
[11:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> Slight change of plan - Looks like I do get to track for 30mins
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[11:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> Partials here....
[11:34] <G8TMV> I'm getting about 80% green but then it is still over 100km away
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[11:36] <fsphil> that's practically next door :)
[11:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> lot of qrm here
[11:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> but i hrd him not yet writing
[11:37] <fsphil> still just a faint line here
[11:37] <G0HDI> QSB and traces wavering a bit, but some decodes ok
[11:37] <cm13g09> How often is telemetry coming down?
[11:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> red lines here
[11:38] <G8TMV> continiously
[11:38] <cm13g09> ok
[11:38] <G8TMV> cm13g09: you are set to USB?
[11:38] <cm13g09> yes
[11:39] <G8TMV> well set the dial to 434.200
[11:39] <G8TMV> it should be in the waterfall
[11:39] <cm13g09> it's not... :(
[11:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> line 232 also red
[11:39] <G8TMV> cm13g09: where are you?
[11:40] <cm13g09> Chelmsford, Essex
[11:40] <G8TMV> Hmm... you should be able to hear it
[11:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> 235 red
[11:40] <fsphil> the shift appears to be 470hz
[11:40] <fsphil> you'll need to correct that if you haven't already
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/HABE11_20131214/Capture.JPG
[11:41] <G8TMV> fsphil: it's not quite that high
[11:41] <fsphil> is on my screen
[11:41] <cm13g09> if anyone wants to Teamviewer in and have a look, they're welcome
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[11:41] <cm13g09> (after this batch of Windows Updates)
[11:41] <G0HDI> I got 460
[11:42] <g0azs> it's a goof 470
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[11:42] <g0azs> *good 470
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[11:42] <mfa298> I think I ended up setting to 480 shift. although as the signal get's stronger it might not make too much difference
[11:42] <Neil_M0CJM> Morning all
[11:42] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[11:42] <Upu_M0UPU> morning
[11:42] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm 460 shift
[11:43] <cm13g09> ok
[11:43] <Upu_M0UPU> fading quite a bit
[11:43] <G8APZ> cm13g09 I'm in Brentwood and hearing it almost since launch on a dipole
[11:43] <cm13g09> just rebooting for 133 Windows Updates
[11:43] <cm13g09> G8APZ: quite....
[11:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Lots of QSB here too
[11:43] <cm13g09> this is why I am confused :)
[11:43] <g0azs> 475 working ok for me but quite jittery with qsb too
[11:43] <G0HDI> Changed to 470..Still good
[11:43] <fsphil> nearly got a line
[11:44] <cm13g09> like I say
[11:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> grgr 253 also red
[11:44] <cm13g09> if anyone wants to Teamviewer in
[11:44] <cm13g09> I am happy to let you
[11:44] <cm13g09> once Windows wakes up :)
[11:44] <G8APZ> cm13g09 I have no mobile stuff to help any local recovery... but I have the car!
[11:44] <cm13g09> G8APZ: lol same here :P
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks good against earlier prediction so far http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/HABE11_20131214/index.php?ind=3
[11:45] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: on the other hand, has both
[11:45] Action: chrisstubbs hides
[11:45] <chrisstubbs> it is coming in darn close to us
[11:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> Green at alst
[11:45] <cm13g09> mm
[11:45] <mfa298> cm13g09: hopefully as it get's closer it will get stronger and you will see it appear.
[11:45] <chrisstubbs> is there anyone already committed to recover
[11:45] <chrisstubbs> becuase we could give it a go
[11:45] <G8TMV> I will if it's close to Cambridge
[11:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> yessss 1e green line
[11:46] <mfa298> cm13g09: also sounds like you need to put an fcd Pro+ or FT817 on your christmas list!
[11:46] <cm13g09> There's only so much I can do....
[11:46] <fsphil> can hear the fading
[11:46] <fsphil> it must be spinning a fair bit
[11:46] <G8APZ> chrisstubbs where abouts are you?
[11:46] <cm13g09> mfa298: a bit late for that now :P
[11:46] <chrisstubbs> Chelmsford
[11:46] <G8TMV> cm13g09: what rig and antenna are you using
[11:46] <fsphil> gone here
[11:46] <G8APZ> chrisstubbs I'll join you if it looks like Essex!!
[11:46] <G8TMV> still got it
[11:46] <fsphil> ah back now
[11:46] <chrisstubbs> predictions just shot off a fair bit
[11:47] <cm13g09> G8TMV: it's an RTL SDR
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[11:47] <chrisstubbs> will have to wait and see where its going to land
[11:47] <chrisstubbs> brb
[11:47] <mfa298> fsphil: looks like you've got the joyous will it rise faster than it moves away from you type flight.
[11:47] <iain_g4sgx> If it diverts to North Norfolk, Im availalbe mobile only, my inflatable mast and colinear is down for the winter.
[11:48] <Upu_M0UPU> quite windy out there
[11:48] <cm13g09> mfa298: I have the problem of "Will Windows wake up before the flight is over :P"
[11:48] <fsphil> my HF vertical has an alarming lean to it atm
[11:48] <fsphil> the gusts are very bad
[11:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Upu_M0UPU: Is that why the signal is so unstable?
[11:48] <mattbrejza> 50sat is due to pass in a couple of minutes
[11:49] <Upu_M0UPU> dunno by my antenna is getting knocked about a bit
[11:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[11:49] <G8APZ> cm13g09 restart machine without updates on!!
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Still quite calm down here in the South
[11:49] <cm13g09> G8APZ: I needed the updates to get Windows to look reasonable :P
[11:49] <cm13g09> One of the updates was the Graphics Drivers :P
[11:49] <iain_g4sgx> Quiet in Norfok too,for a change.
[11:49] <bertrik> getting green decodes here in the netherlands (revspace)
[11:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> Geoff-G8DHE: Yes, light cool breeze here in Crayford
[11:49] <G8APZ> incredibly deep QSB
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Spinning or rocking perhaps of the aerial
[11:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's not QSB so much as breaks in transmission
[11:50] <G8APZ> Got the Greenies!
[11:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Plenty of Rx stations
[11:51] <cm13g09> "Configuring Windows Updates 32%"
[11:51] <cm13g09> gah!
[11:52] <iain_g4sgx> wow, im hearing it on a long wire antenna, maybe i can track!
[11:52] <fsphil> never have windows update on automatic :)
[11:52] <fsphil> woo, green line
[11:52] <fsphil> yay
[11:52] <G8APZ> cm13g09 it's loud now, you MUST hear it?
[11:52] <cm13g09> fsphil: it wasn't...
[11:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool Phil :D
[11:52] <cm13g09> I asked it to do them
[11:53] <fsphil> did the radio just switch off and on again?
[11:53] <Upu_M0UPU> yes
[11:53] <G8TMV> Hmm... thats the 2nd time I've noticed it pause between sentances
[11:53] <Upu_M0UPU> normal behaviour for the RFM22B
[11:53] <Upu_M0UPU> reboot it every X lines
[11:53] <fsphil> aah rfm22b
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its doing resets every one=ce in a while
[11:53] <fsphil> that explains the woblly
[11:53] <fsphil> wobbly too
[11:53] <Upu_M0UPU> very
[11:54] <Upu_M0UPU> strong though :)
[11:54] <fsphil> keeps fading mid-sentence for me
[11:55] <fsphil> the signal disappears when it hits the higher frequency part of the wobble
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> the fades are about 10dB
[11:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> 95% here is red grgrgrgr
[11:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> fsphil: Are you on the edge of your recievers passband? Maybe tune up slightly?
[11:55] <fsphil> Steve_G0TDJ: nah, just the distance
[11:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[11:56] <G8APZ> cm13g09 dial is 434.2013
[11:56] <fsphil> since the signal is quite weak already any drop in strength will be quite noticable
[11:56] <DutchMillbt> unable to track here due to S7 qsb
[11:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Dial here 434.200.67 for 1500Hz center
[11:56] <PE2G> First green at 537 km: http://s27.postimg.org/54m51g6cj/Screen1265.jpg
[11:56] <fsphil> it sounds like it's being spun around the balloon quite violently
[11:56] <Upu_M0UPU> sounds like its burst and tumbling except its still going up
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Reset
[11:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> 319 green here
[11:57] <fsphil> nice PE2G
[11:57] <fsphil> 444.6km here
[11:57] <cm13g09> Windows is *still* installing updates :P
[11:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> GOing up very fast - 8m/s
[11:57] <mattltm> I should have my 70cm Yagi up again soon so I can rejoin the tracking fun.
[11:57] <PE2G> fsphil: Quite nice too :)
[11:57] <mattltm> Just looking for a 12' section of lattice tower.
[11:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> 385 km here strong signaal but a lot of fading here
[11:58] <fsphil> Upu_M0UPU: this is going to be impossible to track if it spins like this when falling
[11:58] <G8APZ> Mattltm google for alimast aerial parts colchester
[11:59] <G8APZ> mattltm you can have a tailored head section by arrangement
[11:59] <mattltm> G8APZ: I'm looking for a nice, strong steel section. Myabe the top section from a versatower with a rotator cage.
[12:00] <Upu_M0UPU> possibly
[12:00] <Upu_M0UPU> its strong signally locally
[12:00] <G8APZ> mattltm alimast is strong!!
[12:00] <Upu_M0UPU> suspect antenna ground plane isn't great
[12:00] <fsphil> hehe, $$$BABE,
[12:00] <Upu_M0UPU> heh
[12:00] <fsphil> ah, got one
[12:01] <G8APZ> LOL @ fsphil
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Every 20 telemetry lines for a reset
[12:01] <fsphil> it's steady now
[12:01] <PE2G> How long/short is the cord between balloon and payload?
[12:01] <mattltm> There is a 20' section on ebay for £30 but it's collection only from Wales :(
[12:01] <fsphil> that was dramatic
[12:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Suddenly very strong and stable
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> burst
[12:01] <Upu_M0UPU> pop
[12:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Coming down
[12:01] <MLow> wut
[12:01] <fsphil> lol
[12:01] <MLow> that was fast
[12:01] <Upu_M0UPU> and now the signal stablises :))
[12:01] <fsphil> opposite balloon
[12:02] <fsphil> that makes no sense
[12:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> MLow: The faster they go up, the faster they come down
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[12:02] <G8APZ> Who is on standby recovery?
[12:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh, prediction shows landing near my Mum again
[12:03] <mfa298> with the current updated prediction early burst might have been a good thing
[12:03] <fsphil> yea
[12:03] <fsphil> not a good day to be hab'ing
[12:03] <G8TMV> it's close enough that I can go look for it
[12:03] <mfa298> ah, moved inland now.
[12:03] <chrisstubbs> Back to you cambridge recovery team ;)
[12:03] <fsphil> fading fast here
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[12:03] <fsphil> but very steady
[12:03] <fsphil> that's voodoo
[12:04] Action: cm13g09 has a Windows OS
[12:04] <G8TMV> yup, it's a much! better signal now
[12:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Rock steady and green all the way now LOL
[12:04] <wd8mnv> popped
[12:05] <G8APZ> cm13g09 Perhaps we should create a SW Essex recovery team for this type of flight!!
[12:05] <cm13g09> G8APZ: if I could track it, that would be a start :)
[12:05] <cm13g09> anyone want to Teamviewer onto my PC and have a look?
[12:05] <G8APZ> cm13g09 what antenna and what rx?
[12:05] <chrisstubbs> can do cm13g09
[12:05] <fsphil> and gone
[12:05] <fsphil> more or less
[12:06] <cm13g09> G8APZ: it's a RTL-SDR
[12:06] <cm13g09> and a homemade Dipole
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good you got to decode some though fsphil
[12:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> lot of red lines here but sommetimes it is green
[12:06] <G8APZ> cm13g09 should be seeing something!
[12:06] <G8TMV> cm13g09: what orientation on the dipole?
[12:07] <cm13g09> One element up, one down (I forget if this is horizontal or vertical :P )
[12:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Vert
[12:07] <MLow> horizontal
[12:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[12:07] <MLow> :|
[12:07] <G8APZ> chrisstubbs and cm13g09 if you want to discuss a recovery team for future deployment... email me? g8apz@g8apz.org.uk
[12:07] <cm13g09> ok G8APZ
[12:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Vertical is [ Horizontal is ----
[12:08] <MLow> my whole life is a lie
[12:08] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: I have PMed you the Teamviewer IDs
[12:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> | Ah, there it is...
[12:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Shame my Mum is 78, otherwise I'd ask her to pop down the road and recover.....
[12:10] <mfa298> that area is popular this week.
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[12:12] <cuddykid> oh no, early burst!
[12:12] <Upu_M0UPU> oh good early burst cuddykid
[12:12] <cuddykid> clearly put too many stirks in..
[12:12] <Upu_M0UPU> speed it was going may have got wet
[12:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Gotta go now. Off to W&S open day - Good flight Adam - 73 fer now
[12:12] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ -> Steve_G0TDJ_AFK
[12:12] <cuddykid> is there anyone here who is near predicted landing and can go fetch?
[12:12] <cuddykid> thanks Steve_G0TDJ_AFK for tracking
[12:13] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> NP Adam :-)
[12:13] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> ..
[12:13] <G8TMV> cuddykid: I'll go as long as it doest end up too far west
[12:13] <cuddykid> anyone know who G1XIY is?
[12:13] <cuddykid> ok, thanks G8TMV :)
[12:13] <cm13g09> G1XIY, G8KNN, G6TMV are all local
[12:13] <cm13g09> that said...
[12:13] <cm13g09> current prediction not good :P
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[12:14] <Upu_M0UPU> it'll move
[12:14] <cm13g09> yeah...
[12:14] <cuddykid> 22.9km should be dark enough
[12:14] <cuddykid> iirc 20+ is "spacey"
[12:15] <G8TMV> I'm getting nice solid decodes
[12:15] <cuddykid> at least the go pro should capture all of the flight
[12:17] <G8TMV> cuddykid: what colour are the chute and the payload?
[12:17] <cuddykid> G8TMV: payload is blue, chute is flourscent green/orange
[12:18] Action: G8TMV nods
[12:18] <G8APZ> I think the Yanks have a HAB magnet!!
[12:18] <cuddykid> all quite small - payload was smallest I've sent up
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[12:18] <cuddykid> only just finished unpacking and bringing back equip and the flight is almost over! must be one of the quickest flights in a while
[12:19] <darkstar-2001> G1XIY is me
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[12:19] Action: cm13g09 mutters something about naff locations to track from...
[12:19] <cm13g09> (home being one of these)
[12:19] <G8TMV> darkstar-2001: are you able to go retrieve?
[12:20] <G8TMV> it's a lot closer to you than me
[12:24] <cm13g09> my tracking is evidently completely incapable of being useful :P
[12:24] <G8APZ> cm13g09 can your dipole see the horizon?
[12:24] <cm13g09> how do you mean "see the horizon"
[12:24] <G8APZ> cm13g09 remember 10mW needs LoS path
[12:25] <cm13g09> true....
[12:25] <cm13g09> there is no hope in hell of me having LoS
[12:25] <cm13g09> I've got a building in the way
[12:25] <G8APZ> cm13g09 how far could you see to the NW if you were at the dipole?
[12:25] Action: Geoff-G8DHE Below the local horizon now
[12:25] <G8APZ> cm13g09 a building will be enough to remove any sigs!!
[12:25] <cm13g09> mm
[12:26] <cm13g09> the joys of not being able to put ANY antennas up
[12:26] <G8APZ> cm13g09 it's still 20dB/n here
[12:26] <cm13g09> my antenna is somewhat precariously balanced on the windowsill
[12:26] <cm13g09> (ah the joys of a listed building)
[12:27] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, how about a long pole in the garden
[12:27] <G8APZ> cm13g09 could you put something like a white stick colinear on the roof?
[12:27] <cm13g09> G8APZ: nope
[12:27] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: probably
[12:27] <G8TMV> cm13g09: do you have a TV antenna?
[12:27] <cm13g09> G8TMV: no....
[12:28] <cm13g09> Sky dish on an outbuilding....
[12:28] <G8TMV> move!
[12:28] <cm13g09> the coax run for that is absurd
[12:28] <G8APZ> cm13g09 seconded ... Move!!
[12:28] <cm13g09> lol
[12:28] <cm13g09> when I have the money to move out, I will :P
[12:28] <g0azs> S5 - s/n 30db.. very nice signal here
[12:29] <G8APZ> cm13g09 or investigate a remote RX somewhere near via internet!
[12:30] <mfa298> there's a reasonable websdr near basingstoke for 434 :D
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[12:32] <cuddykid> coming down faster than it should..
[12:32] <G8TMV> yup
[12:32] <cuddykid> hope it avoids those houses
[12:32] <G8TMV> cuddykid: what do I do about shutting it down when I find it?
[12:33] <cuddykid> G8TMV: should be fine just to leave everything as is and let batts die as it's pretty tight in the payload box
[12:33] <G8TMV> okay
[12:33] <cuddykid> it's a good size just to bubble wrap and ship :)
[12:33] <cuddykid> thanks
[12:33] <G8TMV> Ah, I've just lost the signal
[12:34] <darkstar-2001> Gone totally from my waterfall
[12:34] <cuddykid> houston, we have landed
[12:34] <G8TMV> likewise
[12:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/HABE11_20131214/Landing_spot.jpg
[12:34] <cuddykid> not responding to my texts
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[12:35] <G8TMV> cuddykid: does it have your contact info on it?
[12:35] <cuddykid> yep
[12:35] <cuddykid> number
[12:35] <G8APZ> looks like it missed the houses and found the fields!
[12:35] <cuddykid> and there's another card thing inside
[12:36] <G8TMV> right, so if someone finds it they should phone you - my mobile number is 07799 143369
[12:36] <cuddykid> got a reply from it
[12:36] <cm13g09> cuddykid: did it have a GSM tracker on it then as well?
[12:36] <cuddykid> ok - got landing location.. one sec
[12:36] <cuddykid> yep
[12:37] <cuddykid> https://maps.google.se/maps?q=loc:+52.344010,-0.523227&t=h
[12:37] <cuddykid> in the field! :D
[12:37] <bertrik> hm, is that a tree nearby? :D
[12:37] <cm13g09> well done cuddykid
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[12:38] <cuddykid> hopefully that is not a tree line
[12:38] <G8APZ> looks like a tree!!
[12:38] <cm13g09> G8APZ: I'm with you :P
[12:38] <cuddykid> I'll get another location just to make sure
[12:38] <cm13g09> Tree retrieval kits at the ready :P
[12:39] <G8APZ> actually ... no shadow so a hedge perhaps with a dip
[12:39] <bertrik> perhaps it's now a decorated tree
[12:39] <cuddykid> looks like a high hedge line on street view
[12:39] <cuddykid> mixed with the odd tree
[12:39] <G8APZ> agreed
[12:39] <G8TMV> yup, big hedge, but I'll take a fishing pole
[12:39] <G8APZ> should be very obvious to a recoverer
[12:40] <cuddykid> new location smack bang on the hedge line - https://maps.google.se/maps?q=loc:+52.344050,-0.523127&t=h
[12:40] <G8APZ> G8TMV Good luck
[12:40] <G8TMV> right, I'll pack up stuff and head out - no net in the car so the first you know will be if you see it move
[12:40] <cuddykid> fingers crossed G8TMV - thanks for going :)
[12:40] <G8APZ> it may be windy and blowing about...
[12:40] <G8TMV> cuddykid: phone or text me if someone finds it
[12:40] <cm13g09> cuddykid: sounds like it may have gotten caught by the hedge ;)
[12:40] <cuddykid> will do, good luck :)
[12:40] <G8TMV> I'm going to take an Rx
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[12:41] <mfa298> looking at the OS map looks like there's footpaths around that field :D
[12:42] <cuddykid> on satellite view it certainly looks like there are a few footpaths
[12:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> https://maps.google.se/maps?q=loc:+52.344050,-0.523127&t=h
[12:42] <G8APZ> cuddykid why the swedish google map?
[12:42] <G8TMV> my car has aprs - but it's not gated to the tracker
[12:42] <g0azs> Yes there is a footpath running along that hedgeline...
[12:42] <cuddykid> yep, easy access to
[12:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Paths in SV as well
[12:42] <cuddykid> G8APZ: tracker texts that link for some reason!
[12:43] <cuddykid> and a pullover spot on the road
[12:43] <G8APZ> oh!
[12:43] <g0azs> I was going to ask about the .se site too :-)
[12:43] <mfa298> cuddykid: if you use http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/ and select OS from the menu (top right) you can see the footpaths marked :D
[12:43] <wd8mnv> if you zoom in, looks like a BIG green blob next to it : /
[12:43] <cuddykid> oh nice! I wasn't aware of that site
[12:44] <G8APZ> cuddykid have a look at tracker code and find "se" on the address and change it to "com"
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[12:45] <mfa298> it's a bit of stuff craag put together (and I've added little bits to) with snus being slow.
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[12:49] <eroomde> that was a quick up-down
[12:49] <cuddykid> about 1hr 40mins :)
[12:50] <cuddykid> quickest way to get to cambridge
[12:50] <MLow> 75k ft?
[12:50] <mattbrejza> SIbot: 75000ft
[12:50] <SIbot> In real units: 75000 ft = 23 km
[12:50] <mattbrejza> yep then :P
[12:51] <G8APZ> Sod off Sibot
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[12:51] <G8APZ> I have two hands and two feet
[12:51] <G8APZ> 2 hands
[12:51] <G8APZ> 2 feet
[12:51] <SIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[12:51] <G8APZ> My 0.61m are on the end of my legs
[12:52] <eroomde> quite right SIbot
[12:52] <cm13g09> lol
[12:52] <mattbrejza> i might start defining measurements in whatever body part suits me at the time
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[12:53] <G8APZ> >>> inches towards the door
[12:54] Action: cm13g09 is tempted to make SIBot a bit saner
[12:55] <G8APZ> I wonder if it gets confused by other non metrics?
[12:55] <G8APZ> 2 rods 2 poles and 2 perches 3 chains
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[12:56] <G8APZ> no it doesn't do them!
[12:56] <craag> cm13g09: Feel free.. was just a quick script!
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[12:58] <G8APZ> craag reminds me of the auto moderator in Freeserve chat ... it would censor thigs like I'm going for a fag
[12:58] <G8APZ> or I live in S****horpe
[12:58] <eroomde> and you presumably couldn't live in scunthorpe
[12:58] <eroomde> yeah
[12:59] <craag> hehe
[12:59] <craag> that's easy
[12:59] <G8APZ> yes.. nobody was allowed to say that!!
[12:59] <craag> working out whether people are talking about body parts or antiquated units is a bit more difficult!
[13:00] <G8APZ> craag yes... it used to censor **** off but failed to spot p155 off
[13:01] <eroomde> relevent: http://www.bash.org/?244321
[13:02] <G8APZ> who would write parsing scripts? !!!
[13:03] <eroomde> i wrote a thing that parsed units on thursday
[13:03] <eroomde> for the RS rep who was visiting
[13:03] <G8APZ> the trick would be to encode non printing characters inside the ****** string and then do a string replace for that character to a real one... thus defeating copy and paste!
[13:04] <eroomde> because I'm so fed up with the RS website not understanding how to sort by parameters properly, i wrote him a little script that understands units and sorts them properly
[13:04] <G8APZ> eroomde quite right!!
[13:04] <eroomde> if you are loking for a load cell and ask the results to be sorted by load, they'll do things like
[13:05] <eroomde> 1kN, 8kg, 10N, 11kg, 115kg, 11.8N, 50N, 60kg, 70N, 1000N
[13:05] <G8APZ> oops!!!
[13:05] <eroomde> it's totally retarded
[13:05] <G8APZ> mixing the units
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[13:06] <G8APZ> not been coded to sort!!
[13:06] <eroomde> mixing units and thingking 11.2 > 111
[13:06] <G8APZ> yes
[13:06] <eroomde> it's just purely lexicographical sorting
[13:06] <eroomde> which is a bit insulting for a website designed for engineers
[13:06] <G8APZ> it ignores the point and takes 111 then 112
[13:07] <eroomde> yep
[13:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Object Movie of HABE11 http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/HABE11_20131214/HAB11_20131214.html
[13:08] <fsphil> the chinese lunar rover should be landing shortly
[13:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is it on snus ;-)
[13:09] <fsphil> HAB'ing will never take off on the moon
[13:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Be able to throw the payload further!
[13:10] <fsphil> http://english.cntv.cn/live/p2p/index.shtml
[13:11] <eroomde> cctv is the appropriate name for the national broadcatser in a police state
[13:11] <G8APZ> cuddykid Recovery car position > http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FG8TMV-9&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[13:11] <cuddykid> ah super
[13:11] <fsphil> lol
[13:12] <fsphil> and down
[13:12] <fsphil> seems to have survived
[13:12] <x-f> pretty impressive
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[13:13] <fsphil> that's a freaky combover
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[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thta's freaky watching G8TMV in street view mode he changes lane to the wrong side ...
[13:16] <es5nhc__> CCTV... reminds me the Soviet Gosteleradio... at least here in Estonia the USSR state television was referred to Central Television
[13:20] <es5nhc__> OK... apparently it was called Central Television also in original language
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[13:21] <SpaceApple> was napping. is it floating at 82,000 feet? aprs.fi/n9var-11
[13:21] <SIbot> In real units: 82,000 ft = 25 km
[13:22] <es5nhc__> Eh... we have a bot here that translates English units into SI? I like. 30 ft
[13:22] <SIbot> In real units: 30 ft = 9.14 m
[13:22] <eroomde> SIBot is probably the only bot i approve of
[13:22] <x-f> SpaceApple, on http://spacenear.us/tracker/ you can see altitude graph, it is floating
[13:23] <SpaceApple> beautiful graph. A little lower than I was aiming for (89,000 feet)
[13:23] <SIbot> In real units: 89,000 ft = 27 km
[13:23] <SpaceApple> but I'll take it
[13:24] <x-f> it will ascend on sunrise, that's when you start worrying
[13:25] <SpaceApple> yuppers. sunrise will get my heartrate up
[13:28] <MLow> heat
[13:28] <eroomde> what time is it there SpaceApple ?
[13:28] <MLow> 6:30
[13:28] <SpaceApple> 5:28 AM
[13:28] <MLow> ah
[13:28] <SpaceApple> In other words, there is absolutely no reason to be awake
[13:30] <SpaceApple> Also, we'll see if that battery voltage picks up a bit after sunrise too
[13:30] <es5nhc__> There is... if you fancy Geminids and it is clear weather ;)
[13:30] <es5nhc__> *is reason to be awake
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[13:32] <SpaceApple> Oh yes. I always seem to be fiddling with something at just the right moment.
[13:33] <SpaceApple> (somebody else saw a really bright shooting star at the launch while I was hunched over reading the meter)
[13:33] <eroomde> cloudy here
[13:33] <eroomde> no chance
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[13:34] <es5nhc__> By a miracle I had somewhat clear skies last night... indeed... some pretty nice ones
[13:34] <es5nhc__> Usually it is always cloudy this time of year
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[13:36] <Ericc> Can the raspberry pi send sms message by adding board?
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[13:39] <mfa298> Ericc_: it probably can, but sms isn't a good method of tracking a payload.
[13:40] <Ericc_> I know but its hard to track it by radio in Taiwan.....
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[13:41] <Ericc_> Why using radio is better
[13:42] <eroomde> sat opposite an extremely academic couple on the bus
[13:42] <eroomde> accosting a poor german man about gothe
[13:42] <mfa298> with sms you're reliant on the mobile networks, and they're optimised for devices 1-2m above ground level, so anything above a couple of km is unlikely to work
[13:42] <eroomde> and their opinions about faust's onfluence on modern germany
[13:42] <eroomde> poor bugger
[13:42] <mfa298> also stuff at ground level may not get a signal (especially if it's upside down in a ditch)
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[13:45] <Ericc_> but itll continue record the data above 2km right?
[13:46] <eroomde> now they're talking about AirBnB
[13:47] <Ericc_> Taiwan is a Island and therere mountains in the middle (about 2500m) will the radio signal still can be received across the mountain?
[13:47] <eroomde> it's relentless conversation
[13:48] <eroomde> he's a classicist, his favourite Goethe novel is "Die Wahlverwandtschaften" ofcourse
[13:48] <eroomde> of course
[13:48] <MLow> hows the recovery going?
[13:48] <mfa298> recording data is up to your platform and code. with Pi or arduino it's possible to store data to an sd card during the flight.
[13:48] <eroomde> i've probably not remembered how you spell that properly, maybe a german can correct me
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[13:49] <deffebr> G8TMV is recovering. My APRS says he is still in Huntingdon but that cannot be right!
[13:49] <MLow> out of date by 27m
[13:49] <deffebr> die wahlverwandtschaften ??
[13:50] <eroomde> and now interest rates
[13:50] <eroomde> i hope you're enjoying the conversation of the academic couple to the poor german man on this coach
[13:50] <eroomde> deffebr: a goethe novel about, i think, though am not sure, the effect of chemistry/biology on life and love
[13:51] <deffebr> eroomde OK.... a bit heavy then!!
[13:51] <eroomde> yes, i had a goethe phase but we all grow out of it
[13:51] <eroomde> now the convo is about energy security. well, i'll stop relaying it. it's just very loud and i'm stuck in the middle of it
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[13:54] <deffebr> Balloon recovered.... just spoke to recovery man
[13:54] <deffebr> G8TMV has the HABE package
[13:55] <MLow> but what about the payload!
[13:55] <deffebr> oops my nick changed... how does one change nick?
[13:55] <deffebr> Mlow yes package
[13:55] <MLow> :P
[13:55] <mfa298> deffebr: use /nick newname
[13:55] Nick change: deffebr -> G8APZ
[13:55] <G8APZ> Thanks
[13:55] <G8APZ> don't know how that happened!
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[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You timed out at 13:31, then reconnected using the default
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> @ 13:44
[13:58] <G8APZ> Geoff-G8DHE I must have forgotten to put in the name... I was trying to read the Captcha... got it wrong twice!
[13:59] <G8APZ> It's not that easy to read it!
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Try one of the IRC programs I'm using HydraIRC but quite a few about.
[13:59] <mfa298> solution for that is to look for a full irc client (mirc/xchat/HydraIRC)
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[14:00] <MLow> irssi
[14:01] <mfa298> or irssi for the linux/unix peeps
[14:02] <MLow> seems like the battery warmed up and voltage rose
[14:02] <G8APZ> cuddykid Adam, box broken and empty , and parachute recovered PLEASE call Colin G8TMV
[14:03] <cuddykid> empty?! ok, will call now
[14:03] <G8APZ> Some people were seen leaving field so package may have been vandalised or taken
[14:04] <G8APZ> maybe they saw it and got inside it to find the payload and the number to call
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[14:04] <G8APZ> Perhaps a freelance recovery team!
[14:05] <cm13g09> G8APZ: who knows
[14:06] <eroomde> freelance recovery team that breaks the box?
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[14:09] <G8APZ> eroomde Maybe they had nothing to do with the empty box. Perhaps it landed heavily, broke, and spilled contents.
[14:10] <eroomde> perhaps
[14:10] <G8APZ> That is why G8TMV wanted to speak to Adam, so he could get a description of what he should be looking for as the innards
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[14:11] <G8APZ> any more news cuddykid
[14:12] <cuddykid> he's going to have a hunt around for any bits - doesn't look good though
[14:12] <cuddykid> someone has clearly turned off the backup tracker too (unless it's been moved to a location with no reception)
[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nothing more from the phne/tracker ?
[14:12] <mfa298> can you get new locations from the sms tracker
[14:12] <cuddykid> nope
[14:12] <cuddykid> tried a few times now
[14:12] <cuddykid> will call it as that makes a noise
[14:13] <G8APZ> it may be in a no reception area... maybe they don't know it's a tracker!
[14:13] <cuddykid> actually, good idea, won't call - will just text again later
[14:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Can't be to bad as there was a signal from ground level in the field
[14:13] <cuddykid> apparently landed pretty much on a footpath
[14:14] <eroomde> What was on it cuddykid?
[14:14] <cuddykid> gopro, tracker, batt packs, backup tracker
[14:15] <cuddykid> go pro clearly visible
[14:15] <eroomde> that sucks
[14:15] <G8APZ> We need to get a few recovery teams standing by in predicted areas so as to get the fastest times to recovery... maybe even watching it come in to land!!
[14:16] <eroomde> we used to try to do that
[14:16] <eroomde> for some more important stuff we saw it come down
[14:16] <Upu_M0UPU> sunrise for N9VAR in 2 mins started to ascend
[14:16] <eroomde> sunrise at alt or sea level?
[14:16] <Upu_M0UPU> sea
[14:16] <Upu_M0UPU> its ascending already
[14:17] <Upu_M0UPU> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sunrise+at+32.64883%2C-110.72883
[14:17] <G8APZ> just passed an airport. Perhaps it's caught on some tailfin!!
[14:17] <eroomde> it'll be 30 mins or so earlier at 30km
[14:17] <Upu_M0UPU> yep
[14:18] <Upu_M0UPU> so I guess the radio tracker has been listened for cuddykid ?
[14:18] <cuddykid> not sure whether colin has an RX with him
[14:18] <cuddykid> i'll ask him when he calls back
[14:18] <Upu_M0UPU> Personally I'd have a drive round that estate
[14:19] <Upu_M0UPU> with RX on
[14:19] <cuddykid> I reckon they'd have killed it
[14:19] <cuddykid> probably turned off the backup too
[14:19] <cuddykid> but yeah, worth a shot
[14:19] <G8APZ> cuddykid Colin said he would take a RX.
[14:23] <cuddykid> no ringing on the backup either - straight to voicemail
[14:23] <eroomde> not the best sign
[14:23] <G8APZ> does it do that if out of service reception area?
[14:23] <Upu_M0UPU> well it had to happen eventually
[14:23] <cuddykid> yep
[14:23] <G8APZ> maybe in a car boot
[14:24] <cuddykid> maybe, can hope
[14:24] <Upu_M0UPU> given they left the box its probably been nicked
[14:24] <cuddykid> yep
[14:24] <G8APZ> barstewards
[14:24] <eroomde> there's no censorbot here G8APZ
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[14:24] <G8APZ> Bastards!!!
[14:25] <mfa298> if you're lucky you might a call later but it doesnt sound hopeful.
[14:25] <cuddykid> I'd love if it does get signal and I can track whoever it is (assuming that's what's happened)
[14:25] <eroomde> will the gsm tracker show up where it is if it gets turned on again?
[14:25] <cuddykid> should text back as soon as it gets the text
[14:25] <eroomde> ok
[14:25] <G8APZ> cuddykid we better hope it comes alive again!
[14:25] <Upu_M0UPU> what was the GSM tracker ?
[14:26] <G8APZ> needs to have a cam send stills via phone home until recovered!!
[14:26] <mfa298> would be good to see their experssions if someone turned up on their door "We've come to collect the tracker and camera you rescued from the field earlier"
[14:26] <G8APZ> Then you would see who nicked it
[14:27] <cm13g09> hmm
[14:27] <eroomde> like the cusf one
[14:27] <G8APZ> mfa298 yes... would be good ... You're nicked!!
[14:27] <eroomde> sort of
[14:27] <eroomde> when the builders started taking it all apart out of the box and were recorded wondering how much the gopros could sell for on ebay
[14:28] <DL1SGP> cuddy, need me to send your tracker some cold-sms to see if it pings back?
[14:29] <cuddykid> I've sent quite a lot so if it does get signal, they should be sent through
[14:30] <cuddykid> sceptical though as it should have got signal by now I would've thought..
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[14:30] <DL1SGP> ah, you sent ping sms that would reply back to you with something like HushSMS and the Xposed Framework?
[14:30] <cuddykid> oh no, that sounds good
[14:30] <cuddykid> pm
[14:31] <FASTed_> It is picking up altitude as it catches the suns first rays
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[14:36] <eroomde> anyone know of a switch that closes when you pull a pin out? sort of like a grenade. but also that's good for harsh environemts - shock, vibration, moisture
[14:36] <eroomde> i.e. not a 3.5mm jack + socket
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[14:38] <cm13g09> eroomde: Dare I ask what you're buiding :P
[14:39] <eroomde> not a grenade
[14:39] <eroomde> i just th
[14:39] <eroomde> think* such a switch would be useful for lots of things but i can't find it in existence already
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[14:41] <cuddykid> perhaps if the word "HARMLESS" was replaced with "DANGEROUS" then these muppets wouldn't have touched it :P
[14:42] <G8APZ> cuddykid Perhaps "SMILE you are on POLICE camera action"
[14:42] <cuddykid> yep, and a note inside the box
[14:43] <MLow> buzzer?
[14:43] <cm13g09> Make it beep every second once landed or something :P
[14:44] <cm13g09> "DO NOT TOUCH - Call <x> for further instructions.
[14:44] <cm13g09> or something :P
[14:44] <MLow> i bought this buzzer from radioshack, its freaky loud, like it puts smoke alarms to shame
[14:45] <MLow> my plan is that once it gets below a certain altitude, buzz at interval
[14:45] <cm13g09> heh
[14:45] <bertrik> maybe the land owner took it
[14:45] <MLow> and smashed the box?
[14:46] <cuddykid> unlikely as it was on footpath
[14:46] <cuddykid> yeah, smashed box gives it away I think
[14:46] <MLow> as a land owner i would be like wtf is this and see all the wires and walk the other way
[14:49] <MLow> smashed box as in, crash landing onto pavement? or ripped apart by hands
[14:50] <cuddykid> think ripped apart
[14:51] <cuddykid> it was all quite compact, it shouldn't have disintegrated on landing even at ~9ms
[14:52] <MLow> shucks
[14:52] <MLow> what now
[14:52] <es5nhc__> This stinks :/
[14:53] <cuddykid> not sure - haven't heard back from colin yet who is at landing site
[14:53] <MLow> i see
[14:54] <MLow> man i really feel bad for you
[14:54] <MLow> what was the last altitude?
[14:54] <cuddykid> I've got landing location
[14:54] <cuddykid> 52.344050,-0.523127
[14:55] <cuddykid> has anyone had a payload stolen before?
[14:56] <Upu_M0UPU> I've heard its happened but not to anyone I know
[14:56] <FASTed_> not stolen but moved
[14:57] <FASTed_> someone put it in their garage after it landed in their driveway. They had no idea what it was. But it had two GoPros on it.
[14:57] <MLow> looks like the landing site was right on a path of some kind for a school
[14:57] <Upu_M0UPU> I think Adam had one that was moved from the roof of a portakabin
[14:57] <Upu_M0UPU> and probably wouldn't have been recovered however they had turned up
[14:57] <Upu_M0UPU> N9VAR-11 still rising
[14:57] <craag> Yeah there was the cusf one where they had a backup tracker stolen out of it.
[14:58] <Upu_M0UPU> still got 6km to go before things start to get sketchy
[14:58] <craag> But not a whole payload :((
[14:58] <MLow> almost 97k ft
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[14:58] <SpaceApple> Ugh, I hope it stops soon.
[14:59] <mfa298> there's the cusf one eroomde mentioned earlier with the video of the builders talking about taking the cameras from it.
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[14:59] <Upu_M0UPU> thats the one i'm on about
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[14:59] <MLow> it seems to slowed ascent
[15:00] <Upu_M0UPU> if it floats now there is a very high possibility it will stay up
[15:00] <SpaceApple> I hope so. We had one burst around this stage...
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[15:01] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah always a chance but the 1600g Hwoyee is usually good to 38km after a nights floating
[15:01] <MLow> whats on this payload? just a tracker?
[15:01] <FASTed_> Yes just a BigRedBee
[15:02] <SpaceApple> Just the tracker and some foam, duct tape and a dream
[15:02] <FASTed_> 242g
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[15:02] <MLow> awesome
[15:02] <MLow> well the battery seems to be doing great
[15:02] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[15:03] <Upu_M0UPU> hi James
[15:03] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
[15:04] <SpaceApple> Yup. Voltage rose with the sun. Battery is healthy
[15:04] <MLow> whats the conversion?
[15:05] <cuddykid> jcoxon: had a payload potentially stolen this afternoon
[15:05] <jcoxon> oh
[15:06] <FASTed_> first digit * 256 + second digit*16 + third digit*1
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[15:09] <MLow> im guessing then divide by 100?
[15:09] <FASTed_> yes
[15:10] <MLow> so a 2s battery? is it a hobby toy battery?
[15:11] <SpaceApple> It is two two-cell lipos. They are 1800 mAh 7.4 V
[15:11] <Upu> that doesn't sound enough
[15:11] <SpaceApple> They should last 70 hours, maybe more
[15:12] <MLow> 7.4v is nominal, fully charged a 2s is like 8.4v
[15:12] <SpaceApple> that's true, but it's cold up there
[15:12] <jcoxon> great flight SpaceApple
[15:13] <MLow> lipo not the best choice but if it works *shrug*
[15:13] <Upu> just needs to settle into a float and I think you're sorted
[15:13] <SpaceApple> as long as we have enough voltage to eek out a chirp, I'm happy
[15:13] <MLow> liFe superior :)
[15:13] <SpaceApple> we considered the Energizer Lions, but with so many connections between so many batteries comes so many problems
[15:13] <jcoxon> yeah it might be generating enough heat
[15:13] <jcoxon> to keep itself nice and warm
[15:14] <SpaceApple> thanks jcoxon
[15:14] <FASTed_> It should begin to level out pretty soon. I am going to saw maybe 103,000ft
[15:14] <SIbot> In real units: 103,000 ft = 31 km
[15:14] <MLow> solder the energizers together then heatshrink it?
[15:14] <jcoxon> hehe i love SIbot
[15:15] <SpaceApple> that's an idea, but soldering batteries is not my forte
[15:15] <Upu> its looking very promising
[15:15] <MLow> if you can somehow make it land within a few hours of me I'll go hunting for your bigredbee
[15:15] <Upu> they are easy just scratch the tops with fibre glass brush and put some flux on there
[15:15] <MLow> yeah flux alone makes everything easy
[15:16] <daveake> The Energizer Lithiums do solder quite easily
[15:16] <MLow> "fiber glass brush" or ...scotchbrite pad
[15:16] <daveake> I scratch then flux
[15:16] <Upu> sand paper anything really
[15:16] <SpaceApple> I'd prefer to watch an expert do that job
[15:16] <MLow> i really messed up my car with scotchbrite pad, those things are mean
[15:16] <Ericc_> which radio modules can be installed on R-pi?
[15:16] <daveake> Just use a large hot bit and don't be slow
[15:16] <daveake> NTX2 / NTX2B
[15:16] <SpaceApple> that's an idea
[15:17] <SpaceApple> Over 100,000 feet now. I hope she holds it together
[15:17] <SIbot> In real units: 100,000 ft = 30 km
[15:17] <MLow> if you dont mind me asking, whats up with the path
[15:18] <MLow> wide2-1, wide1-1
[15:18] <FASTed_> We were not sure what to use. Reccomendations for the future?
[15:18] <MLow> pathless, or just 2-1
[15:18] <Ericc_> NTX2 / NTX2B can be use on R-pi?
[15:18] <MLow> i mean it's pretty much perfect LOS for like half of 2 states right now lol
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[15:19] <FASTed_> OK we will try that
[15:19] <MLow> the repeating is usefull if your near the ground, not criticizing, just curious
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[15:20] <MLow> APRS network is dumb, you have to tell it how you want it repeated lol
[15:20] <MLow> im working on my tracker right now
[15:21] <Upu> yes Ericc_
[15:21] <MLow> Upu: i ran to the store and bought a real arduino :D
[15:22] <Upu> best
[15:22] <MLow> its so nice
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[15:22] <MLow> i got a ethernet shield too cause the lady there was real nice i wanted to keep chatting so i made her look for it
[15:22] <MLow> :( no dice
[15:22] <fsphil> will you ever use it?
[15:22] <MLow> i did the little example thing
[15:23] <fsphil> the ethernet shield used to be more expensive than the rpi
[15:23] <G8APZ> MLow Was it on the top shelf :-)
[15:23] <MLow> G8APZ: bottom
[15:23] <MLow> :D
[15:23] <G8APZ> :-))
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[15:24] <MLow> so my tracker sends valid packets, with gps data, and the packets decode, i feel i have passed a milestone
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[15:28] <SpaceApple> it's leveling out!!!
[15:28] <FASTed_> Its leveling out
[15:28] <FASTed_> :)
[15:28] <SpaceApple> I shouted mine...
[15:28] <G8APZ> Looks like a moonscape with Google Earth!
[15:29] <MLow> are there any predictions for the route it will take?]
[15:29] <G8APZ> Satellite view that is
[15:29] <FASTed_> prediction
[15:29] <FASTed_> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=48979f720e8a34e9936dad267e592d4ee2833ce5
[15:29] <Upu> looks good
[15:30] <Upu> it will probably drop below its original float over night
[15:30] <Upu> but this looks promising
[15:30] <SpaceApple> why do you say that?
[15:30] <Upu> wow if it follows that path thats amazing
[15:30] <Upu> previous floaters generally float a little lower the second night
[15:33] <MLow> would this be some kind of record?
[15:33] <MLow> also
[15:33] <MLow> isn't there some kind of laws regarding ITU zones and APRS
[15:33] <jcoxon> MLow, well individual countries have different rules
[15:33] <jcoxon> so UK you can't transmit on standard aprs freqs from a balloon
[15:34] <MLow> whaaaaat
[15:34] <fsphil> you can't do any amateur transmitting in the air at all
[15:34] <fsphil> it's so backwards
[15:34] <fsphil> but it did mean we developed cool stuff to replace it
[15:34] <heathkid> if it follows that path it'll cross right over me
[15:34] <fsphil> and by we I mean CUSF and not me at all
[15:35] <jcoxon> fsphil pah - you wouldn't have done ssdv
[15:35] <fsphil> very true
[15:35] <mfa298> there's different frequencies in different places as well (europe mostly uses 144.800) and you need to check there's a reciprocal agreement to use AR in the place you're visiting (TR61/01 covers EU/USA/Australia/NZ)
[15:35] <fsphil> I'd be doing sstv
[15:35] <g0azs> er yes but this years ofcom review might (hopefully) change that situation re. amateur airborne transmitters
[15:36] <craag> if we were allowed amateur radio from the air... why not fstv?!
[15:36] <PE2G> cuddykid: sorry to hear about the missing payload. How long had it been on the ground?
[15:36] <fsphil> craag: expense :)
[15:36] <G8APZ> Anyone know what that area is that N9VAR is approaching.... looks very busy on the ground.
[15:36] <craag> fsphil: Good point.. altho small FM txes are quite cheap now.
[15:37] <fsphil> I'd quite like to try digital telly
[15:37] <fsphil> not DVB as that's too expensive
[15:37] <fsphil> just something like really fast SSDV
[15:38] <cuddykid> PE2G: 30mins or so
[15:38] <craag> There's a few guys in the ATV community who are keen to fly one of the new DVB-S TXs if the licensing is changed.
[15:38] <fsphil> yea dvb-s seems a good deal simpler
[15:38] <PE2G> cuddykid: So time enough to steal the contents :(
[15:38] <SpaceApple> I think that is Tucson, AZ, G8APZ
[15:39] <cuddykid> PE2G: apparently people were seen leaving the field
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[15:39] <MLow> G8APZ: im not sure i understand the question
[15:39] <craag> fsphil: Than DVB-T, many times!
[15:40] <fsphil> I do wonder how DVB-S would handle fading
[15:40] <fsphil> is there much interleaving?
[15:40] <G8APZ> SapceApple Thanks... I see lots of earthworks and round "settling ponds"
[15:40] <fsphil> it was designed for a signal that doesn't change much at all
[15:40] <craag> The new batc dvb-s box is a repurposed dvb-t box, and uses <1/10th of the fpga flash size of the dvb-t image.
[15:41] <MLow> my ability to decode is 100% from 3 inches away :)
[15:41] <fsphil> I suppose you could also merge streams of different receivers with DVB-S too
[15:41] <fsphil> a distributed DVB-S receiver network
[15:41] <G8APZ> MLow That's a start!!
[15:41] <PE2G> cuddykid: Buggers. Landing near a sports field. That's bad on a saturday afternoon...
[15:41] <craag> fsphil: Not sure offhand, probably not much as you say, but the recovery time from a deep fade is quite quick (hundreds of ms)
[15:41] <fsphil> finally something to test Upu's internet :)
[15:42] <MLow> N9VAR seems to be floating people
[15:42] <craag> fsphil: THat precise project is already being undertaken for the ISS DVB-S downlink
[15:42] <craag> :)
[15:42] <fsphil> ah sweet
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[15:42] <fsphil> dvb packets have a sequence number iirc
[15:42] <craag> yep
[15:42] <G8APZ> PE2G We need a network of fast responders for these remote recoveries!!
[15:42] <MLow> make it go over texas damnit
[15:42] <fsphil> that and a precise timer
[15:42] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: had a payload stolen this afternoon by the looks of it
[15:42] <craag> so get an rx that uploads the mpeg frames
[15:43] <craag> then a server checks the checksums and stitches them together with a couple of seconds delay.
[15:43] <SpaceApple> working on it, MLow aiming for the panhandle
[15:43] <PE2G> G8APZ: Yeah.
[15:43] <fsphil> the codec recovery time would be greater though
[15:43] <fsphil> something like h.264 might have a few seconds between key frames
[15:43] <MLow> battery going up, such an odd thing haha
[15:44] <cuddykid> either, there happened to be someone walking by and spotted landed payload or someone is aware of spacenear tracker and has some radio equip/knowledge
[15:44] <craag> fsphil: Doesn't matter, each *data* frame is individually checksummed.
[15:44] <jcoxon> cuddykid, i would suspect more oppurtunistic rather then purposeful
[15:44] <cuddykid> i would think so too, never know though
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[15:44] <fsphil> get him!
[15:44] <cuddykid> welcome back - anymore news?
[15:45] <G8TMV> no - sorry
[15:45] <G8APZ> G8TMV Well done on trying Colin
[15:45] <G8TMV> I've got some photos and a short video which I'll try to upload soonish
[15:45] <cuddykid> :( thanks for trying
[15:45] <fsphil> why not chasing it cuddykid ?
[15:45] <G8TMV> I presume no news of it being found
[15:46] <cuddykid> quite a way away fsphil and quite busy atm
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Just to the East of the school grounds looks to be an area used by bikers, it might have been spotted coming in to land
[15:46] <cuddykid> G8TMV: nope
[15:46] <fsphil> I wouldn't have launched in that case
[15:46] <cuddykid> nothing on the backup tracker either
[15:48] <MLow> not trying to critisize but i am curious as well why your launched when your knew your were going to be too busy? or did you not know you would be bsuy
[15:49] <cuddykid> well, figured I could save a 5/6hr min round trip by launching when it was going to land near fellow HABists who could retrieve on my behalf
[15:49] <craag> MLow: There's not a decent road across there from the launch site, so would have taken him ages to drive there and back.
[15:49] <cuddykid> as it was quite a compact payload
[15:49] <craag> Would have been quicker for me to drive up from soton I noticed!
[15:50] <cuddykid> yeah, the roads from worcs -> cambridge aren't good
[15:50] <MLow> ah
[15:50] <MLow> wouldn't know if i didn't ask
[15:50] <MLow> roads here are awesome
[15:50] <craag> MLow: YOu in the states?
[15:50] <MLow> the route from here to houston is 80mph speed limit
[15:51] <craag> hehe yes, and also fuel prices here are :|
[15:51] <MLow> craag: central texas, USA
[15:51] <MLow> doesnt affect me much with my 70mpg bike
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[15:51] <MLow> SIbot: 80mph in kph ?
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[15:51] <craag> I bet, but a bike is not a great hab chase vehicle :/
[15:51] <MLow> 80mp/h
[15:52] <craag> Nah we like mph over here :)
[15:52] <MLow> wait a second
[15:52] <MLow> i can do this
[15:52] <MLow> holy crap thats a big number
[15:53] <craag> Well it would be for APRS actually, but not RTTY (adjusting for drift is hard enough while driving :P)
[15:53] <MLow> hmmmmm
[15:53] <G8APZ> MLow 1 litre of gas is $2.20 in UK
[15:53] <RocketBoy> cuddykid: oh bad luck - I've come close to having stuff knabbed a few times
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[15:54] <ImperialBot> 1 litre is 0.26 US Gallons
[15:54] <G8APZ> 2 perches anyone?
[15:54] <ImperialBot> so 1 US Galloon is $8.80
[15:54] Nick change: ImperialBot -> craag
[15:54] <MLow> mobile 2m on the back, whip antenna mounted to grab rail, mITX computer doing tracking packed under seat, wifi dongle, and a cellphone mounded to bar for guidance.....yeah i could probably whip something up
[15:55] <craag> Rpi APRS rx :)
[15:55] <G8APZ> MLow No H&S laws over there then? !!
[15:55] <MLow> H&S?
[15:55] <G8TMV> Right, now I've had a coffee I'll try and give a report
[15:55] <G8TMV> ...
[15:55] <RocketBoy> cuddykid: looks like it was going to land close to the B663 to me
[15:55] <G8APZ> Health and Safety.... like stupid nanny state says you can't have hot coffee in case you burn yourself!
[15:56] <G8TMV> was driving along looking for somewhere to park and saw a car leave the pull-in by the footpath sign...
[15:56] <G8TMV> it went away from me so I didn't see the occupants
[15:56] <MLow> craag: http://goo.gl/Go7WmQ
[15:56] <G8TMV> parked up put on protective clothing - wooly hat...
[15:57] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: landed 52.344050,-0.523127
[15:57] <G8TMV> and went up the footpath, as soon as I rounded the corner of the hedge I could see the chute in the field - btw it's all farm land not sports field
[15:57] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: right on a footpath
[15:57] <G8TMV> walked towards it with compact cam running in video mode and realise the box was rather spread out
[15:58] <G8APZ> G8TMV it came in low over Sports area... football and tennis courts
[15:58] <G8TMV> there was also rather a lot of balloon still attached
[15:58] <RocketBoy> cuddykid: probably someone walking along picked it up
[15:58] <MLow> let him finish, dang
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[15:59] <G8TMV> G8APZ: Hmm... maybe, but I didn't see or hear any sports in progress
[15:59] <craag> MLow: Wow, changed a bit since I was last over there :P
[15:59] <RocketBoy> I had one where the famed pick it up and put it in his land rover just before we got there - and I chased the position as it moved - just keeping in radio range
[16:00] <RocketBoy> farmer
[16:00] <MLow> craag: im still trying to figure out what H&S would be equivelant to over here
[16:00] <G8TMV> I had a quick look upwind after gathering the pieces in the chute - then asked cuddykid to phone me
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[16:00] <cuddykid> the fact the suspects departed by car makes me feel as though whoever it was weren't just walking by - but purposefully made a journey. Assuming they didn't park up to walk around the area
[16:00] <G8TMV> I haven't checked closely but I think I've got 5 sides of the box, some of them broken in half. I do *not* have anything with the antenna or similar mounted on it
[16:01] <MLow> whats the land altitude there?
[16:01] <G8TMV> cuddykid: they could have been dog walkers it looks like that sort of place
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[16:01] <MLow> cause it was above a school area it seems, shortly before landing, could have been well within sight and attract people
[16:01] <cuddykid> G8TMV: must not have the bottom to it then as there was a piece of wire solidly glued on - wouldn't have come off without ripping styrofoam up
[16:02] <G8TMV> anyway - I then took the bits I had back to the car and got my 817 and moxon antenna, walked all around the field and hedges but didn't hear a peep from the Tx
[16:02] <cuddykid> ah yes, bet they took it as couldn't detach tracker from it
[16:03] <G8TMV> tried a bit further in the up-wind direction but still no luck
[16:03] <MLow> could the impact alone have caused failure of the radio? 9m/s is pretty fast, also you did mention the battery connection wasn't too solid just before launch
[16:03] <daveake> I had one that disappeared with no signal, but the guy took it home then called me
[16:03] <cuddykid> MLow: backup tracker was working after landing then nothing..
[16:04] <MLow> im just trying to think maybe it bounced so hard the guts flew
[16:04] <G8TMV> the ground rises to the south (up-wind) so it could have hit quite a way from where I found it and then been blown - but I don't think so because I found it very close to the backup tracker location you gave me
[16:05] <daveake> sounds unlikely that 2 trackers would stop even if it hit hard
[16:05] <cuddykid> wish if it had smacked the person on the head when it came down
[16:05] <G8APZ> LOL
[16:05] <MLow> im sorry for your losses man
[16:05] <G8APZ> How much does GoCam cost?
[16:05] <fsphil> you may yet get a call from these people
[16:05] <fsphil> so be nice for now :)
[16:05] <MLow> not enough good people left for that to be something i'd let myself believe
[16:06] <cuddykid> unlikely but there's still hope I guess
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[16:06] <cuddykid> GoPro with accessories is in the £400+ region
[16:06] <G8APZ> Christ
[16:06] <fsphil> and in future don't launch a gopro without a real recovery plan
[16:06] <cuddykid> then there's tracker + backup (which are worthless to the individual)
[16:06] <G8APZ> Definitely needs several chase teams on the case for future launches
[16:07] <MLow> fsphil: sounds to me like there was a real recovery plan, just he wasn't part of it and arranged for others to track/recover
[16:07] <cuddykid> i wouldn't have got there for a long time if I had chased - probably would only just be arriving
[16:07] <SpaceApple> yeah, we had one head-scratcher. turned out the husband found it in the driveway and pulled it into the garage not knowing what it was. The wife had no idea it was there. Nothing nefarious. Hope it turns out for you...
[16:07] <G8APZ> Yes.. it needs a team effort or several teams...
[16:07] <MLow> though me personally, would never launch that kinda money and not be doing my damnedest to recovery it myself
[16:08] <daveake> stake the place out next saturday then land another HAB there :p
[16:08] <fsphil> hah
[16:08] <G8TMV> cuddykid: I've just zoomed in the loc you gave me from the backup tracker and the location is pretty much exactly where I found the remains
[16:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I would say that the pickup time was actually quite fast compared to some in the last year, its just that someone got there first, either by intention or by chance ...
[16:08] <cuddykid> yeah, that's what DL1SGP suggested - setup a trap
[16:08] <jcoxon> don't give up, who knows they might call you
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[16:08] <jcoxon> be kind cuddykid
[16:09] <daveake> well did they take anything with a contact number on it?
[16:09] <jcoxon> n9var-11 seems to be slowly climbing again
[16:09] <cuddykid> there was a laminated card inside with number on
[16:09] <G8TMV> daveake: there was no label on the remains and cuddykid said there was one
[16:09] <cuddykid> but strange that they would turn off backup tracker if legit?
[16:09] <SpaceApple> Yes, looks like it is going over some mountains
[16:10] <SpaceApple> hope that doesn't cause it to burst
[16:10] <MLow> anyways, heres my first attempt to a aprs tracker :D
[16:10] <MLow> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xfu36t2j5mgouop/2013-12-14%2009.47.35.jpg
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[16:11] <SpaceApple> almost to New Mexico. Three states, plus Mexico and the Pacific Ocean would be a record for us
[16:11] <MLow> SpaceApple: do mountains cause the balloon to rise?
[16:12] <SpaceApple> lol, no, but the air currents are effected by the topography. If the effect is felt that high, I don't know
[16:13] <G8APZ> You certainly get turbulence above mountains in a plane, but not sure at that altitude
[16:13] <SpaceApple> exactly
[16:13] <jcoxon> yeah its difficult with these higher winds how much terrain adds]
[16:13] <jcoxon> they sort of do what they want
[16:13] <fsphil> the slight ups and downs of Orion didn't seem to match any ground features
[16:13] <SpaceApple> intersting fsphil
[16:14] <fsphil> the biggest effect was temperature
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[16:14] <fsphil> sunrise and sunset
[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/N9VAR_2031213/
[16:15] <fsphil> that's quite a distance
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[16:17] <SpaceApple> :-)
[16:18] <G8APZ> All these places on the map that have had songs written with placenames:- San Francisco, Phoenix, Amarillo, Witchita, Kansas City etc.... nobody writes songs about Norwich, Bristol, Dover or Southampton!
[16:18] <G8TMV> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rinioth/11368902473/
[16:18] <SpaceApple> Okay, we officiall entered New Mexico!
[16:18] <G8TMV> cuddykid: that shows all the bits I recovered
[16:19] <G8TMV> I think I might indeed have all of the box
[16:19] <cm13g09> G8TMV: Looks like you have 6 sides...
[16:19] <cuddykid> thanks G8TMV - interesting...
[16:20] <cuddykid> the laminated bit with number has gone
[16:20] <G8TMV> two of those pieces are broken in half
[16:20] <cuddykid> the one I can see that is broken in half is the bottom
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[16:20] <G8TMV> the one with the camera (I presume) hole is broken too
[16:20] <cuddykid> would have needed to either unscrew antenna bit or break to get tracker out
[16:21] <cuddykid> the rectangle hole bit is where the camera was
[16:21] <G8TMV> the part of that piece in the top of the photo is broken off
[16:21] <mfa298> looks like a lot of latex came down with it - that might explain the faster descent rate
[16:22] <cuddykid> yep, that's most of the balloon!
[16:22] <G8TMV> yup, I'll weight the remains before I chuck it
[16:22] <cuddykid> piece on the left is top
[16:22] <cuddykid> (lid)
[16:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> looks like it split rather than burst as such
[16:22] <fsphil> bet you're not enjoying the smell G8TMV
[16:22] <G8TMV> it's not too bad actually
[16:23] <daveake> you're weird :p
[16:23] <cuddykid> could you send over photos/video of recovery when you upload them? cheers :)
[16:23] <daveake> drive home with it in the back of a warm car, then tell us what you think of the smell :)
[16:24] <G8TMV> I've just started the video uploading - but it's very big
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[16:26] <MLow> SpaceApple: did you guys consider compressing the aprs sentence?
[16:27] <SpaceApple> Yes we did, but it's fun to have it english readable
[16:27] <G8TMV> cuddykid: the balloon and the tape on it's neck weighs almost 400gm
[16:27] <cuddykid> probably completely unrelated but, habe.acudworth.co.uk had a direct hit (only 3 hits today :P) from Daventry (not too far from landing site) this afternoon. Only reason I mention is that site address is written on the tracker
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[16:28] <cuddykid> G8TMV: oh wow, it was only a 800g balloon
[16:29] <G8APZ> cuddykid do you have an IP address?
[16:29] <G8APZ> not that it gets you much closer!
[16:29] <cuddykid> not sure how to get it from google analytics
[16:29] <cuddykid> probably is completely unrelated :P
[16:30] <MLow> you can i think
[16:30] <MLow> or check out the logs on the webserver
[16:30] <SpaceApple> Will it pass into Texas, Oklahoma or Colorado next? Or will New Mexico be its final resting place?
[16:31] <MLow> Texas I wanna decode a packet!
[16:32] <jcoxon> i like trans-continental flights
[16:32] <SpaceApple> Where in Texas are you, it is already reaching parts of Texas
[16:33] <G8APZ> cuddykid it may suggest someone has actually tracked it
[16:33] <cuddykid> perhaps yeah
[16:34] <SpaceApple> ugh, 107,000 feet. It could just stop rising anytime now. that would be great
[16:34] <SIbot> In real units: 107,000 ft = 33 km
[16:35] <RocketBoy> i like that SIbot
[16:35] <cuddykid> G8APZ: IP is 81.178.140.16
[16:35] <G8APZ> I don't!
[16:35] <RocketBoy> he is my kind of bot
[16:35] <es5nhc__> In case you haven't realized SI: Systeme Internationale... the units science uses :)'
[16:36] <RocketBoy> yeah
[16:36] <RocketBoy> gods own units
[16:36] <x-f> yet it is still tolerant to mph :)
[16:36] <cm13g09> cuddykid: WHOIS says that IP belongs to Tiscali
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[16:36] <cuddykid> yep
[16:37] <Upu> Pipex
[16:37] <Upu> which means a technical user
[16:37] <cm13g09> Upu: not necessarily - they may be sharing IP pools
[16:37] <cuddykid> browser header is Avant Browser, Media Centre PC 5.0
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[16:37] <Upu> unlikely Pipex is a high end ISP
[16:37] <cuddykid> MSIE 8.0
[16:38] <cm13g09> true
[16:38] <cuddykid> hit at 14:21
[16:38] <cm13g09> hmm
[16:38] Action: cuddykid checks landing time
[16:39] <cm13g09> IP doesn't hint at location
[16:39] <MLow> SpaceApple: sorry, 108k
[16:39] <cuddykid> ~2hrs after landing
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[16:39] <cm13g09> (pity it wasn't an NTL/Virgin IP)
[16:39] <RocketBoy> so where was the web address - on the box?
[16:39] <SpaceApple> ha! yes, we did learn SI in astrophysics school, es5nhc_
[16:39] <cuddykid> cm13g09: location seems to be fairly close - no idea how accurate though
[16:40] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: on the pcb tracker
[16:40] <RocketBoy> ah
[16:40] <MLow> not very rapidly ascending but still
[16:40] <cm13g09> NTL/Virgin IPs can usually pinpoint at least to a town (and in some cases a street!)
[16:40] <RocketBoy> could be then - get home - have a look at the pcb - look it it
[16:40] <cuddykid> yep
[16:40] <RocketBoy> up
[16:40] <cuddykid> especially as it's a direct hit
[16:41] <cm13g09> hmm
[16:41] <cuddykid> and reasonably close
[16:41] <SpaceApple> yeah, it should be fine. We had one float at 123,000 feet and trigger the units of science bot
[16:41] <SIbot> In real units: 123,000 ft = 37 km
[16:41] <es5nhc__> I learned SI in 10th grade in Physics class. So here it is taught even pre-university, although in voluntary school stage
[16:41] <cm13g09> could be reasonably....
[16:41] <cm13g09> I really need to fix that bot for craag
[16:41] <G8TMV> cuddy - I haven't watched it myself yet but the video is at http://www.flickr.com/photos/rinioth/11369034225/
[16:41] <G8APZ> maybe that IP shows up in the logs of this chat?
[16:41] <Upu> SpaceApple I would say if it gets above 37km its got a high chance of bursting
[16:41] <cm13g09> so it doesn't trigger on *everything*
[16:42] <G8TMV> as you can hear it was a bit windy
[16:42] <MLow> 52.25, -0.8833 is where that ip leads me to
[16:42] <MLow> awefully close i thinks
[16:42] <SpaceApple> I prefer SI units, myself, but its hard to have that visceral reaction to them
[16:43] <es5nhc__> Could we get at least 1 decimal to kilometers in the conversion bot... so that 12300 ft would be as 3,7 km? etc etc?
[16:43] <SIbot> In real units: 12300 ft = 3749 m
[16:43] <es5nhc__> Oh I see. In that range it still shows meters
[16:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> that IP address doesn't show any ports open at present
[16:44] <G8TMV> Geoff-G8DHE-M: btw - I don't know if you remember me from the Worthing Club?
[16:44] <G8APZ> pity!
[16:44] <Upu> that Ip isn't in the spacenear.us logs either
[16:44] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE-M: that's normal for a Pipex account IIRC
[16:45] <cm13g09> Unless explicitly allowed, all ports are dropped at the firewall
[16:45] <MLow> isp's block ports over there??
[16:45] <M6KIK> Upu I managed to solder an 0805 successfully the other day
[16:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Musat confess the callsign doesn't ring any bells at present!
[16:45] <Upu> congrats Will
[16:45] <M6KIK> It took around 15 minutes
[16:45] <MLow> HEHE
[16:45] <MLow> M6KIK: congrats
[16:45] <MLow> let me show you a pic of my first 0805
[16:45] <G8APZ> M6KIK There is a knack...
[16:45] <cm13g09> also drops all ICMP as well
[16:46] <cuddykid> thanks for checking Upu
[16:46] <G8TMV> video isn't too bad
[16:47] <cuddykid> loading now G8TMV :)
[16:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Looks like the tape was cut as it was in bits
[16:49] <MLow> 109k
[16:49] <MLow> this is a pic of my first etched board
[16:49] <MLow> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6pum6o5ffvcsbar/2013-12-14%2010.47.26.jpg
[16:49] <MLow> M6KIK
[16:50] <cuddykid> interesting G8TMV - definitely the work of a human to remove the tape etc
[16:51] <MLow> man now im curious to see the video
[16:52] <G8TMV> yeah, not much hope I'm afraid, if it had been kids you might have had a chance that a parent would get involved, but as they were in a car it doesn't seem very likely
[16:53] <FASTed_> Battery voltage back up to 7.76V
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[16:53] <G8TMV> probably worth reporting it to the police - especially if you have the serial number of the camera
[16:53] <MLow> i would
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[16:54] <es5nhc__> Any chance it could've been someone who reads UKHAS mailing list?
[16:54] <cuddykid> scrap that with the IP, despite google analytics saying direct traffic, it's originated from a yahoo search request for "habe flight computer v3" according to raw logs
[16:55] <cuddykid> G8TMV: go pro is registered to me but doubt that will help
[16:56] <G8APZ> cuddykid who would have known v3? Nobody in public?
[16:56] <cuddykid> not sure.. strange isn't it
[16:56] <G8APZ> was it on your board?
[16:56] <cuddykid> think so, I'll check now
[16:56] <RocketBoy> I think if it was a HABist they would have taken the chute as well
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[16:57] <G8APZ> RocketBoy I was thinking that too
[16:57] <cuddykid> yep "habe flight computer v3" is the writing on the pcb
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[16:57] <G8APZ> cuddykid well that's conclusive then
[16:58] <cuddykid> and underneath the address "habe.acudworth.co.uk"
[16:58] <cuddykid> which makes me wonder why they didn't just input that?
[16:58] <G8APZ> even more convincing...
[16:58] <RocketBoy> hand that to the police and anything that might have a finger print on
[16:58] <es5nhc__> FWIW, when plugged into Google "habe flight computer v3" - no results with quotes
[16:58] <RocketBoy> bit optimistic though
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[17:00] <cuddykid> http://pastebin.com/NUbPDghG is the raw log if anyone is interested
[17:00] <es5nhc> habe flight computer v3 quotes removed has the first result straight to habe.acudworth.co.uk
[17:00] <mfa298> es5nhc: As it sounds like it landed very near a footpath (if not on it) I'd have thought it's most likely some random passerby found it and took it home.
[17:00] <SpaceApple> this is a fasinating whodunnit!
[17:01] <G8TMV> mfa298: they didn't take it home they smashed the box open and only took the contents
[17:02] <x-f> N9VAR stopped ascending
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[17:03] <G8APZ> G8TMV Colin, did you retain any sticky tape that may have prints on?
[17:03] <SpaceApple> maybe you spoke too soon, x-f, it's up again to over 109,000 feet
[17:03] <SIbot> In real units: 109,000 ft = 33 km
[17:03] <FASTed_> I hope it does stop soon
[17:03] <G8APZ> I'd have thought it strange that someone from Northampton area would be walking in that field...
[17:03] <G8TMV> G8APZ: yes, but I've handled it all so I don't know if there will be anything useful
[17:03] <cuddykid> second page they hit on was the 'about' page
[17:04] <cuddykid> G8APZ: sometimes it can appear a reasonable distance away though - I've often had times where my IP is logged ~20miles or so
[17:04] <G8APZ> the phone nbr is there inside, so one would naturally call it if innocent
[17:04] <G8APZ> cuddykid, yes, it's a pool address
[17:05] <es5nhc> Do I get that right there was also a GSM device there?
[17:05] <cuddykid> yep
[17:05] <cuddykid> which was subsequently turned off
[17:05] <cuddykid> or (unlikely), out of range since moved
[17:05] <RocketBoy> They will keep a log of who used what address and when
[17:05] <cm13g09> cuddykid: this sucks....
[17:05] <x-f> SpaceApple, looks promising :)
[17:06] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: doubt they'd hand it over unless it was a police request
[17:06] <es5nhc> Perhaps have IMEI blacklisted?
[17:06] <RocketBoy> they won't
[17:06] <es5nhc> If the device has one
[17:06] <G8APZ> cuddykid so keep the IP address and time
[17:06] <RocketBoy> i did a job in BT where we had access to the lookup
[17:07] <G8APZ> I bet if you were MI5 you would know who used it :-)
[17:07] <cm13g09> RocketBoy: it's all RADIUS based these days, isn't it?
[17:07] <es5nhc> Call the NSA
[17:07] <es5nhc> ;)
[17:07] <SpaceApple> thanks, x-f, it's leveling off again at least. That's a 26,000 feet difference night to day
[17:07] <SIbot> In real units: 26,000 ft = 8 km
[17:07] <G8APZ> NSA probably know LOL
[17:07] <RocketBoy> we scammed at home on ebay - so I looked it up
[17:08] <RocketBoy> yeah RADIUS logs is probably how its recorded
[17:09] <RocketBoy> or DIAMETER these days
[17:09] <RocketBoy> (no joke)
[17:09] <cm13g09> RocketBoy: I know.. but it's entertaining...
[17:09] <mfa298> cm13g09: Radius dates back to the days of dialup so not really a now :p
[17:09] <mfa298> although probably what's still used - at least for adsl
[17:09] <Upu> radius is used on all the ADSL connections
[17:10] <RocketBoy> yeah -its been 8 years since I did that job
[17:11] <cm13g09> you have to laugh that the protocol to succeed RADIUS was called DIAMETER...
[17:11] <RocketBoy> any road pipes will have the data
[17:11] <RocketBoy> pipex
[17:12] <RocketBoy> you might have a word with their abuse team - but they will only hand over to the police
[17:12] <RocketBoy> lookup the abuse email for the address range on the RIPE database for that IP
[17:15] <jcoxon> does aprs have 2 sets of encodings?
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[17:15] <jcoxon> i'm getting a decoder to output the packets and the inital part appears to be encoded
[17:15] <jcoxon> then you can read the info section
[17:15] <RocketBoy> look at the technical contact near the bottom - https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?searchtext=central+plus&searchSubmit=search#resultsAnchor
[17:16] <RocketBoy> nothing changes very much - haven't done that job since 2007
[17:20] <LeoBodnar> what do you mean jcoxon ?
[17:20] <M6KIK> Upu can I ask you a question about computer networks?
[17:21] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: APRS has several encodings for data
[17:21] <RocketBoy> some very compressed
[17:22] <RocketBoy> others closer to plain text
[17:22] <LeoBodnar> can you post the packet?
[17:22] <jcoxon> here is an example:
[17:22] <jcoxon> `b@nb@?b@?d@e!5129.06N/00016.67E>103/028/A=000023h6W>000/000 G3YQO Mobile/
[17:23] <LeoBodnar> you must be outputting raw bytes
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[17:24] <LeoBodnar> the addresses section uses ASCII shifted left one bit (very simplistic description)
[17:24] <jcoxon> so if i shifted it right then it'll become more like plaintext
[17:25] <LeoBodnar> http://www.tapr.org/pub_ax25.html#2.2.13
[17:25] <LeoBodnar> almost
[17:25] <LeoBodnar> SSID need some bits cleared and converted from bin to ascii
[17:27] <LeoBodnar> also address section can contain repeater callsigns so can be variable length
[17:27] <LeoBodnar> addresses end with a byte that has LSB=1
[17:29] <jcoxon> hmmm, not simple
[17:29] <LeoBodnar> well it is - keep looping address decoding until you find the bytes with LSB set
[17:30] <LeoBodnar> for each loop output 6 bytes shifter right once
[17:30] <mfa298> M6KIK: there's probably a few people that can answer questions about computer networks
[17:30] <LeoBodnar> and one byte shifted right, anded with 0xF and + 0x30
[17:31] <LeoBodnar> or rather converted to decimal (for SSIDs 10..15)
[17:31] <SpaceApple> The Bermuda triangle? Plausible? http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=cf20b452f776d9a7081441cd2fc91266917ac122
[17:33] <M6KIK> I have an issue whereby our router keeps dropping out every 4-5 minutes for around an hour and a half every evening. A traceroute when it's down does not even get to our router without timing out. Does that mean it's an issue with our router?
[17:33] <mfa298> traceroute from where ?
[17:34] <MLow> what kinda router?
[17:34] <MLow> SpaceApple: higher and higher oh my
[17:34] <MLow> think it hit and up draft?
[17:35] <M6KIK> mfa298: my pc (ethernet)
[17:35] <mfa298> also I'd be looking to see if the router has any useful logs.
[17:35] <SpaceApple> could be, or more heat. It's well below bursting radius, but still has me worried
[17:35] <craag> MLow: Natural sunrise curve it looks like
[17:35] <cm13g09> M6KIK: Sounds like your PC is dropping ARP
[17:36] <mfa298> M6KIK: is it wired ethernet or over wifi to the router
[17:36] <LeoBodnar> ascent might be related to absorption of re-radiated IR from the ground below
[17:36] <mfa298> might be worth using ping -t <router ip> rather than tranceroute if it's the connection between you and the router that's dropping.
[17:38] <M6KIK> mfa298: wired ethernet to wireless router
[17:38] <M6KIK> How come the internet never goes down when you want it to? :)
[17:38] <LeoBodnar> I have a theory that bursting radius only applies to convection cooling ascent. Make its top and it will burst earlier due to increased skin temperature. Temperature and stress in rubber are very closely related
[17:39] <LeoBodnar> *stop
[17:39] <mfa298> I assume you mean the router has wireless and wired ability (otherwise it doesn't make sense)
[17:39] <M6KIK> Yeah
[17:39] <LeoBodnar> This is one of my Saturday pet theories
[17:39] <M6KIK> it thinks it's 2000-1-1
[17:40] <mfa298> M6KIK: try using ping -t to the router address, that will show if the connection to the router is stopping.
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[17:40] <mfa298> might also be worth seeing if the router shows how long it's been on for.
[17:41] <mfa298> it sounds a bit like it's rebooting - which isn't a good sign.
[17:41] <SpaceApple> I think that is right, LeoBodnar, but I still don't have a good handle on balloon behavior with the cold, UV etc. Seems like a bit of a crapshoot and varies from balloon to balloon.
[17:42] <LeoBodnar> Sure, all we can do is observe and try to explain.
[17:43] <M6KIK> mfa298 the annoying thing is it's stopped doing that now
[17:43] <mfa298> M6KIK: just leave the ping running and look to see what happens when the connection drops.
[17:44] <mfa298> if you're pinging the router address (often something like 192.168.1.1) and it stats timing out then there's something bad happening locally.
[17:45] <cm13g09> mfa298: I've seen "ping: Transmit failed" before
[17:45] <cm13g09> which is a really fun one to diagnose
[17:45] <mfa298> also see if the router can tell you how long it's been up (that will indicate if it's rebooting)
[17:45] <Upu> balloon is heading right for the fast winds : http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/10hPa/orthographic=-77.78,18.77,523
[17:45] <mfa298> Transmit failed would suggest the interface your sending from has failed (gone down)
[17:46] <SpaceApple> :) so pretty
[17:47] <cm13g09> mfa298: It also happens when your interface ends up in a partially associated state
[17:48] <cm13g09> By partially associated, I mean "thinks it is, but it isn't"
[17:51] <jcoxon> Upu, yeah it should accelerate a bit more
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[17:56] <DL7AD_> good evening
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[18:01] <cuddykid> reported it to the police - they're going to get someone to give me a call back as its an 'unusual' one
[18:02] <LeoBodnar> this is beautiful eye-catching thing bit it does not show the predicted path, only current snapshot of winds
[18:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> LeoBodnar, Yes I came to that conclusion looks good but not really much use :-(
[18:04] <gonzo_> keep an eye open in case they look at the launch video on the cam and post it on youtube
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[18:05] <kd5njr> good day all.,,,, watching the balloon come up on ABQ via APRS.fi
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[18:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Also might be worth slowly pinging that IP address see if it re-appears if its re-used very good chance it will be the same router on the end if its within a few hours.
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[18:10] <SpaceApple> looks like N9VAR-11 has leveled off again?
[18:14] <LeoBodnar> yeah, is it the peak of the day there now?
[18:15] <SpaceApple> not really. It's only 10:15 AM, maybe 11:15 in New Mexico
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[18:15] <FASTed_> its 11:15 hlocal time in NM
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[18:19] <SpaceApple> it burst :-(
[18:20] <kd5njr> I was hoping it would come by Tulsa... maybe enxt time.
[18:20] <kd5njr> I had the Kenwood and the beam antenna ready to go.
[18:21] <SpaceApple> so sad
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[18:22] <LeoBodnar> such a shame...
[18:22] <Upu> ah crap
[18:22] <LeoBodnar> but great flight still
[18:22] <Upu> indeed
[18:23] <Upu> now go raise some local HAMs to go find it
[18:23] <Upu> before someone nicks it :/
[18:23] <Upu> preferably not the ones getting upset on GPSL :)
[18:23] <SpaceApple> lol. Yeah. I don't know if there are theives waiting in Albuquerque. Mostly we have to beg someone to go and get it
[18:24] <Upu> post on GPSL
[18:25] <M6KIK> Ahah. here are my network logs http://pastebin.com/XzEQmibg
[18:25] <M6KIK> I logged in after it went down
[18:25] <M6KIK> The autodiagnose said it was a PPP connection issue. My ping stayed up so it wasn't a case of the router being off
[18:27] <DL7AD> N9VAR is coming down
[18:28] <mfa298> M6KIK: looks like there might be issues with the line. Ideally I'd have the router plugged into the master socket first and remove any other telephone extensions. Ideallt also with a new microfilter.
[18:28] <mfa298> if it still occurs contact the ISP and see if they can check the line (and potentially get a BT engineer callout)
[18:28] <mfa298> also if you can test with a different router.
[18:29] <M6KIK> So take out the microfilter, plug the router into the the master socket directly and see if that works??
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[18:30] <mfa298> you can try it with no microfilter, but you might have issues using the phone.
[18:31] <SpaceApple> looks like it's coming down in a good area. Nice and open
[18:33] <M6KIK> I think it might be wired to the master socket anyhow
[18:34] <mfa298> you need to try and rule out anything local (so removing extensions if you have any, trying alternative router and microfilters)
[18:35] <mfa298> there's usually a test socket inside the master socket as well which should remove any extensions.
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[18:44] <FASTed_> Anyone have any contacts in New Mexico?
[18:45] <FASTed_> near Albuquerque?
[18:45] <SpaceApple> Looks like the local HAM club is having a banquet tomorrow: http://www.qsl.net/albuquerquearc/index.html
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[18:50] <kd5njr> nearest ham is ky5q
[18:51] <kd5njr> WILLIAM C RIPLEY, KY5Q 11701 COYOTE RUN RD NE ALBUQUERQUE, NM 87122 USA
[18:53] <kd5njr> http://www.qrz.com/db/KY5Q
[18:55] <LeoBodnar> SpaceApple: out of interest - what was your free lift at launch?
[18:56] <SpaceApple> 130 grams or so. I think we'll dial that back next time. If it can float lower at night, maybe it won't go so high during the day.
[18:56] <FASTed_> yes it was 132g
[18:57] <LeoBodnar> I think it was OK while gently raising and then burst after stopping
[18:57] <kd5njr> someone might get on echolink and connect to a ABQ repeater and see if anyone can help out.
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[18:58] <LeoBodnar> *rising rather
[18:58] <kd5njr> looks like there is is another balloon in the area, NM5ss-11
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[18:59] <MLow_> it popped
[18:59] <MLow_> wtf
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> lol no way!
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> near miss
[19:00] <MLow_> i go away for 10 minutes
[19:00] <MLow_> see what happens!
[19:00] <MLow_> i have to remember to use my powers for good
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FNM5SS-11&timerange=86400&tail=86400
[19:00] <fsphil> aww!
[19:00] <fsphil> it's down
[19:01] <fsphil> weird that it burst so soon
[19:02] <MLow_> did it land?
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[19:04] <MLow_> wow it did
[19:04] <SpaceApple> it's landed. Looks like another balloon just went up nearby. Trying to contact those guys to see if they can tack on a recovery...
[19:04] <MLow_> and intact no less still reporting position!
[19:05] <MLow_> Amazing! I should buy a bigredbee it's still alive
[19:05] <x-f> MLow_, noooooooo, better is if you build your own tracker :)
[19:06] <G8APZ> cuddykid I think you have done the right thing. A finder would be only too keen to ring the number, not to research what they have. Good luck
[19:06] <RocketBoy> can any US hams tell me how to make the mail address for my US ham call sign get changed to "withheld at licences request" or similar
[19:06] <MLow_> x-f: well i can't get mine to work!!!
[19:06] <x-f> MLow_, you said it worked couple of hours ago
[19:06] <MLow_> RocketBoy: no idea why u would want to do that
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[19:07] <MLow_> x-f: my phone can decode packets, nothing else can, go figure
[19:07] <MLow_> not very usefull to have just my phone able to decode
[19:07] <RocketBoy> cos I don't actually live there - and I don't want them getting spam
[19:07] <LeoBodnar> Looks like they have launched from West Mesa High School
[19:07] <RocketBoy> junk mail
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[19:07] <MLow_> RocketBoy: really? I only ever got 1 packet from ARRL
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[19:07] <cuddykid> yep, thanks G8APZ - I'm doubtful I will get it back though
[19:08] <RocketBoy> I know the people that live there - they have forward me stuff in the past
[19:08] <RocketBoy> maybe they didn't get anything else
[19:08] <MLow> x-f: the packet coming out of my HX1 sounds different, more harsh, than other packets on the air(which are decodable) and for the life of me I can't figure out why
[19:08] <G8APZ> cuddykid It depends if the police obtain the location from the ISP and go feel someone's collar!
[19:08] <MLow> obviously it's not far off from working if my damn phone can decode it with it's microphone
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[19:09] <cuddykid> I think they're thinking it's not worth the hassle for value of items. Also time it will take for ISP to respond etc
[19:09] <MLow> RocketBoy: have you tried to log into the FCC website?
[19:10] <MLow> see if the option is there
[19:10] <G8APZ> cuddykid maybe, but I think they have a duty....we pay for the police.
[19:10] <RocketBoy> I think it depend on the person doing the investigating - and if they have hit their quota for the month
[19:10] <cuddykid> indeed
[19:10] <RocketBoy> MLow: no - I'll give it a try
[19:11] <G8APZ> cuddykid Since it isn't an easy touch like doing 36mph in a 30mph area.... they probably don't have time!
[19:12] <G8APZ> cuddykid if we had the same powers to trace IP addresses, we'd do the job ourselves! Anyway, must go... Chinese T/away on order. Bye for now.
[19:13] Nick change: G8APZ -> G8APZ-away
[19:13] <cuddykid> exactly! haha - enjoy
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[19:14] <LeoBodnar> SpaceApple: FASTed_ http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NewMexicoSpaceStudies/conversations/topics/178 link to NM5SS balloon owners
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[19:16] <SpaceApple> thanks, LeoBodnar, I sent Mike an email. I think he is out today
[19:16] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: should be an "easy" recover if the nm5ss-people wnat to recover N9
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[19:16] <SpaceApple> I meant out there in the field
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[19:19] <Reb-SM3ULC> SpaceApple: tried to contact KA3BAL or KY5Q?
[19:19] <SpaceApple> No, I don't have good information on an email address...
[19:20] <MLow> look up the callsign, they usually have a phone number
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[19:23] <Reb-SM3ULC> the mailadr was on qrz
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[19:24] <Jay-W5WHN> WHO is the contact for FAST-21 balloon?
[19:24] <SpaceApple> It's me. I'm N9VAR (Amanda)
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[19:26] <Jay-W5WHN> Your Balloon is down on the West Mesa in Albuquerque, NM. K5ATM is headed to the site to retrieve your balloon.
[19:26] <MLow> Yay!
[19:26] <SpaceApple> Excellent! Thank you so much
[19:26] <LeoBodnar> Cool!
[19:26] <FASTed_> Wow! Excellent. Thank You.
[19:27] <Jay-W5WHN> Send an email to W5YEJ@ARRL.NET, Bill and tell him that you are aware of K5ATM retreiving your balloon.
[19:27] <Reb-SM3ULC> Jay-W5WHN: impressive timing.. :) Flying 1000 km and land just next to you...
[19:27] <SpaceApple> No kidding. Okay, sending email now.
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[19:29] <LeoBodnar> Jay-W5WHN: any info on NM5SS-11 balloon?
[19:30] <Jay-W5WHN> NM5SS balloon is east of the Manzano Mountains.
[19:30] <LeoBodnar> Upu can get on spacenear.us
[19:30] <LeoBodnar> *it
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> Is there any background info on what it is and the mission?
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[19:31] <SpaceApple> Just sent an email to Bill, Jay-W5WHN
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> I can see it's using MicroTrack http://www.byonics.com/mt-rtg
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[19:32] <LeoBodnar> at $250 these things are not cheap
[19:33] <SpaceApple> We have used Byonics in the past. Great support of their equipment
[19:34] <Jay-W5WHN> Amanda I had informed W5YEJ about your email. We are all on one frequency watching both balloons.
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[19:35] <LeoBodnar> lol http://www.googleaprs.com/ "Thank you to ...The Google Maps API..." how ironic
[19:36] <MLow> best i can calculate it fell at 35 is mph
[19:36] <MLow> based on the last few altitude reports
[19:37] <SpaceApple> awesome. I'm very happy. It flew all the way from the Pacific to land right next to you guys
[19:37] <arko> aww it popped?
[19:38] <arko> haha Albuquerque
[19:38] <Jay-W5WHN> If it was any closer to AD5CS QTH, who is involved with the NM5SS balloon, it would almost land in his back yard.
[19:38] <Jay-W5WHN> Hot Air Balloon Capital of the World - Albuquerque.
[19:39] <SpaceApple> lol. Yeah, there was practically a balloon collision! And not during the hot-air festival either
[19:39] <arko> LeoBodnar: how have they not gotten a C&D for having google in their url?
[19:39] <MLow> nigelvh poke
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=terrain&z=11&call=a%2FNM5SS-11%2Ca%2FN9VAR-11&timerange=518400&tail=518400
[19:39] <arko> haha
[19:40] <Jay-W5WHN> K5ATM is on track to N9VAR-11. Mike is was involved with the NM5SS balloon too.
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> Coo to have balloon retrieved by balloonists. You don't have to explain anything.
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> *cool
[19:42] <Jay-W5WHN> Amanda you are in contact via email with W5YEJ. W5YEJ is talking to K5ATM and crew. I will now bow out. 73 all de W5WHN & Merry Christmas SK
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[19:43] <SpaceApple> Thanks much to Jay, who is now gone
[19:43] <arko> that is awesome
[19:43] <arko> did you guys even know this one was going on?
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> no
[19:44] <arko> awesome
[19:44] <arko> what are the odds
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> 1,3,5,7,...etc
[19:44] <arko> lol
[19:44] <Reb-SM3ULC> 1:x
[19:45] <SpaceApple> We saw it a little while ago but were essentially clueless
[19:45] <LeoBodnar> arko: you complained about lack of community spirit in there :D
[19:45] <arko> this makes me happy
[19:45] <SpaceApple> what a great ending to the flight
[19:45] <SpaceApple> (even though it burst, sad face)
[19:45] <LeoBodnar> come out of the woodwork
[19:46] <MLow> 6 minutes signal dead
[19:46] <LeoBodnar> great flight SpaceApple
[19:46] <MLow> yeah congrats to the team excellent float
[19:46] <arko> seriously, very nice flight indeed
[19:46] <SpaceApple> Looks like we will get the equipment back, which is huge. That means we can fly it again without the added cost :-)
[19:46] <arko> \o/ woo
[19:46] <SpaceApple> Thanks a ton, everyone
[19:46] <MLow> and one hell of a story which is priceless
[19:46] <SpaceApple> so nice to hang out here through the night and chat while watching
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[19:46] <craag> :) great flight guys, I look forward to watching the next one!
[19:47] <MLow> i hope my first flight is as good, haha as if
[19:47] <arko> SpaceApple: you didnt sleep!?
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> don't forget to change the APRS path to keep guardians happy
[19:47] <SpaceApple> um...not really. I took a nap around 4 AM
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> I use WIDE2-1
[19:48] <SpaceApple> I get too excited. It's the way I imagine others feel while watching sports
[19:48] <MLow> i already barked at them for it :P
[19:48] <arko> hah, totally understandable
[19:48] <SpaceApple> we are rethinking our paths. It's a learning experience for us and we appreciate the patient feedback
[19:49] <arko> 10000m gain at sunrise
[19:49] <SpaceApple> our first flight was pretty much an epic failure MLow
[19:49] <arko> wow
[19:49] <arko> i lost my first flight
[19:49] <Reb-SM3ULC> SpaceApple: actually putting my 1.5y old to sleep.. asleep now sinace the story got a happy ending... :)
[19:49] <arko> 6lbs and at 35W
[19:49] <arko> it was stupid
[19:50] <MLow> what?
[19:50] <MLow> 61lb?
[19:50] <arko> power regulator failed
[19:50] <SpaceApple> landed on the side of Mt. Potosi near Vegas. A guy that services antennas on the mountain has his grandson winch him down on a 3,000 ft steel cable. We got it back after all that to discover all of the equipment shut off right before launch. Sigh
[19:50] <SIbot> In real units: 3,000 ft = 914 m
[19:50] <arko> no no
[19:50] <arko> 6-lbs
[19:51] <MLow> ah
[19:51] <LeoBodnar> lol arko
[19:51] <MLow> geez
[19:51] <arko> but now im at 33g
[19:51] <arko> which makes up for it i think
[19:51] <LeoBodnar> I though Americur was a myth
[19:51] <arko> LeoBodnar: oh its true sir
[19:51] <arko> http://habexproject.org/
[19:51] <SpaceApple> sweet, Reb-SM3ULC. I'm still not sleepy though!
[19:51] <arko> the old website
[19:51] <arko> good times
[19:52] <LeoBodnar> 35W ?!
[19:52] <arko> yep
[19:52] <arko> i had no idea how to hab
[19:52] <daveake> It's a good job that SIBot doesn't comment on Americur payload weights and powers :)
[19:52] <arko> hahaha
[19:53] <arko> it would commit /leave if it knew
[19:54] <arko> http://www.flickr.com/photos/36181973@N00/5044588051/
[19:54] <MLow> pretty
[19:54] <arko> it was powered by that giant byonics one
[19:54] <arko> no way!
[19:54] <arko> thats not pretty!
[19:55] <craag> 35W... so HD video downlink?
[19:55] <arko> nope
[19:55] <arko> APRS
[19:55] <craag> :P
[19:55] <MLow> i bet it decodes packets pretty good at 35w
[19:55] <arko> i wish!
[19:55] <arko> damn
[19:55] <MLow> maybe thats my problem, 300mw aight enough
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> Payload has steel L- brackets
[19:55] <arko> no no no!!
[19:55] <arko> MLow: 300mW is more than enough
[19:55] <MLow> :P
[19:55] <arko> i did 16mW
[19:55] <craag> MLow: Do you know how much power LeoBodnar uses for APRS?
[19:55] <MLow> i know, im just kidding
[19:55] <MLow> i just frustrated :(
[19:55] <arko> oh good
[19:56] <MLow> been at this for a while
[19:56] <MLow> can't get my radio to send a decodeable packet
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> I use -33dbArko
[19:56] <craag> lol
[19:56] <arko> lol
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> dBArco
[19:56] <arko> submit it to the zurich of unit standards
[19:57] <LeoBodnar> let it be our internal unit :D
[19:57] <LeoBodnar> I dig L-brackets arko did I say that?
[19:57] <arko> SpaceApple: is NM5SS going to float?
[19:58] <arko> LeoBodnar: that frame weighted 2lbs alone!
[19:58] <arko> i scrapped it for a lunch box at the end
[19:58] <arko> i put a giant 5000mAh Lipo for race cars int here too
[19:59] <arko> it was nuts
[19:59] <LeoBodnar> oh well, any 1st payload has sweet memories
[19:59] <arko> it does
[19:59] <arko> serves as good reminded of where the floor is
[19:59] <arko> for me at least
[20:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> NM5SS-11
[20:00] <arko> looks like it burst
[20:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> seemed to be returning
[20:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> right
[20:00] <arko> oh?
[20:01] <arko> N9VAR landed near powerline rd
[20:01] <arko> how convienient
[20:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> K5ATM on retreiving trip?
[20:03] <SpaceApple> are you watching aprs? k5atm is approaching
[20:03] <LeoBodnar> arko: did you use ARM based Arduino?
[20:03] <arko> LeoBodnar: nah, just the mega
[20:03] <arko> SpaceApple: what would be cool is if the recover both balloons in the same day while the balloons are still on :P
[20:04] <SpaceApple> looks like K5ATM is on retreiving trip
[20:04] <arko> trip people out on aprs.fi
[20:04] <SpaceApple> tripping out
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[20:05] <SpaceApple> looks like N5SS got up to about 80,000 feet
[20:05] <SIbot> In real units: 80,000 ft = 24 km
[20:05] <MLow> got a packet
[20:05] <arko> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=terrain&z=12&call=a%2FK5ATM-8%2Ca%2FNM5SS-11%2Ca%2FN9VAR-11&timerange=12000&tail=12000
[20:06] <arko> lets just hope someone near NM5SS is launching soon
[20:06] <arko> it could be a baton race
[20:06] <MLow> why aren't we doing that right now
[20:07] <arko> recovering NM5SS doesnt seem so easy
[20:07] <arko> middle of nowhere
[20:08] <SpaceApple> lol, arko, then the chain of recovery could continue. balloons across America
[20:08] <arko> wait, isnt it landing where the manhattan project use to test it's nukes?
[20:08] <arko> SpaceApple: exactly!
[20:10] <arko> aww its not the trinity test site
[20:10] <arko> but not too far from it
[20:11] <SpaceApple> k5atm is getting close!
[20:11] <arko> are you in contact with him?
[20:11] <LeoBodnar> NM5SS should land close to I60
[20:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> ah, the N9VAR is still transmitting
[20:11] <MLow> indeed
[20:12] <MLow> after a 35mph+ crash
[20:12] <SpaceApple> indirectly throug a guy he is with over email
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[20:12] <MLow> with a full battery no less
[20:13] <MLow> thats amazing to me
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[20:13] <Reb-SM3ULC> Thought it did last tranmission at 1700m and then fell out of reach to the ground.... but the ground is at.....
[20:14] <MLow> yup
[20:14] <MLow> terrain map shows it's exactly on the ground
[20:14] <MLow> lol
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[20:15] <LeoBodnar> K5ATM is true gentleman retrieving other payload before his own
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[20:18] <SpaceApple> ha. yes. that's too funny. Will they go get theirs next?
[20:19] <MLow> i think they have multiple vehicles
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[20:19] <MLow> i just want to fix my tracker :(
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[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:21] <MLow> o/
[20:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: you missed the show
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> ah I heard about the landing on the radio :)
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[20:25] <MLow> Lunar_Lander: you remember me being in here a little over a year ago
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I think
[20:26] <MLow> remember the problem i was pestering everyone about
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[20:26] <MLow> still have same problem
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> the astrobiology thing?
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[20:26] <MLow> what, no
[20:26] <MLow> trying to make my own aprs tracker
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[20:27] <SpaceApple> the two guys recovering went on foot. They say its rough terrain there...
[20:27] <arko> oh fun
[20:28] <MLow> certain things decode my packet, other things dont, not sure if I should buy another radio...or if that will even fix it
[20:28] <arko> i dont think NM5SS is going to be any easier
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[20:28] <MLow> radiometrix HX1
[20:28] <arko> oh cool, they parked next to a meth house
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> that radio should be OK
[20:29] <arko> Breaking HAB
[20:29] <MLow> problem of course being that it doesnt really work
[20:30] <MLow> the signal coming out the arduino, fed into my pc line-in, decodes fine
[20:30] <MLow> the signal from the HX1 to a radio, to my pc line-in doesnt
[20:30] <SpaceApple> I'll email them and let em know that if they see a guy in his underpants to steer clear
[20:31] <MLow> BUT, if I use aprsdroid app on my android phone, and put the volume up on my pc a little, it decodes 100% of the time
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[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> strange
[20:35] <arko> hah
[20:36] <arko> lol Spotify random of my library is now playing Albuquerque by Weird Al
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[20:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> arko: you beleive in random? ;)
[20:36] <arko> its a bit creepy
[20:36] <arko> maybe google now is tied into spotify
[20:37] <arko> the odds of this were about 522:1
[20:37] <MLow> yeah im at wiys end i think i just need to try and find someone who knows this radio
[20:37] <arko> but then again i've been listening to random all morning
[20:37] <MLow> nigelvh does but i better stop poking him
[20:37] <arko> its probably one of those things you only notice when its on your mind
[20:37] <arko> i havent heard from nigelvh in a while
[20:38] <MLow> je respondsd to a comment i made on his blog this morning
[20:38] <Upu> NM5SS-11 on Snus
[20:38] <MLow> sorry im on my phone
[20:38] <arko> Upu: i think NM5SS just touched down
[20:39] <Upu> oh well too late
[20:39] <arko> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FK5ATM-8%2Ca%2FNM5SS-11%2Ca%2FN9VAR-11&timerange=12000&tail=12000
[20:39] <arko> :P
[20:39] <Upu> could they collect N9VAR-11 ?
[20:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> Upu: they are on the way
[20:39] <arko> K5ATM is there right now
[20:40] <Upu> awesome
[20:40] <M6KIK> Herro
[20:40] <arko> i like the money logo on his aprs icon
[20:40] <Reb-SM3ULC> thought they were moving the hab but seems just gps-errors
[20:42] <MLow> there must be a fence or something, would explain why they parked there
[20:42] <SpaceApple> they said the terrain was pretty rough
[20:44] <MLow> looks like it at least landed in the lighter thicket
[20:44] <db_g6gzh> Oh, I just got it - it's the "Bank or ATM" symbol
[20:44] <M6KIK> I have a feeling that by the time I get my RTTY tracker built it will be out of fashion to use rtty
[20:44] <arko> non sense
[20:44] <arko> built it
[20:45] <MLow> hell im 1 step away from ditching this aprs tracker and making an rtty one
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> it's actually funny, on the other chat I am talking to a guy who moved from Cologne to Bexhill-on-Sea
[20:46] <MLow> looks like there is a fence
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[20:49] <MLow> i wonder if there is a more appropriate channel to get some help
[20:49] <MLow> who would have an HX1 to help me lol
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[20:50] <w5yej> package recovered, all ok. Recovery team on the way back to their vehicles.
[20:51] <SpaceApple> thanks all!
[20:52] <arko> Wooo!!
[20:52] <arko> are they going for NS5MM?
[20:53] <arko> NM5SS
[20:53] <arko> blah
[20:53] <SpaceApple> They indicated another team was headed out to recover that balloon
[20:53] <arko> oh cool
[20:53] <SpaceApple> They called me from the LZ once they saw my phone number on the package. Too cool.
[20:54] <arko> ha! nice
[20:54] <arko> had that happen to me recently on my pico flight
[20:54] <arko> landed on some power lines and an Edison employee found it
[20:54] <Upu> at least your recovery teams don't steal the payloads
[20:54] <arko> called to tell me that he found my "science experiment"
[20:54] <arko> Upu: huh!?
[20:54] <Upu> oh you missed it
[20:54] <arko> what happened?
[20:55] <Upu> cuddykid's payload + gopro was stolen
[20:55] <SpaceApple> oh yes, you missed it all!
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, :(
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[20:55] <arko> wtf!?
[20:55] <arko> who does that?
[20:55] <arko> someone watching it on the tracker or some stranger?
[20:55] <Upu> left balloon, parachute and destroyed container
[20:55] <arko> wow
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> arko, I was at the Lake constance Ham Radio fair 2010 where two balloons were launched and flew into switzerland
[20:55] <Upu> stranger who saw it land probably
[20:55] <arko> people are dicks
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> balloon 2 was never found
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> probably was stolen immediately at landing
[20:56] <Upu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rinioth/11369034225/
[20:56] <arko> wow
[20:56] <arko> what a bunch of jerks
[20:56] <arko> >:(
[20:57] <M6KIK> Upu didn't someone post a video of the landing of a HAB on a building site
[20:57] <Upu> yes
[20:57] <arko> cuddykid: sorry that happened man, that sucks
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> Damn!
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[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> M6KIK, yeah that was crappy too
[20:58] <M6KIK> Wait so someone stole it and posted the video of them finding it to flickr?
[20:58] <M6KIK> How did you find out?
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> no the guy who flew the balloon shot that video I think
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[21:00] <M6KIK> Can someone refuse to give it over legally?
[21:00] <M6KIK> If it lands in their garden can they just not get it for you
[21:01] <G8TMV> Lunar_Lander: I shot the video - I was doing the retrieve for Adam
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> damn!
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> that is a new scale of crime
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[21:02] <G8TMV> yeah, if I'd been there 5 mins earlier I might have caught them - there was a car driving away as I parked
[21:03] <M6KIK> G8TMV: we should start a fund to pay for/find the lost payload
[21:03] <G8TMV> M6KIK: the police are already involved
[21:03] <M6KIK> Ah right
[21:03] <M6KIK> Is there actually law involving it?
[21:04] <M6KIK> Also how will they find them
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[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> M6KIK, well I suppose it is theft
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[21:08] <mfa298> Police may not do anything much, but at least it means the details are registered with them.
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[21:25] <MLow> ladies and gentlemen, we have decode
[21:26] <MLow> not very reliable, but it is decoding
[21:27] Action: soylentbomb golfclaps
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> the rover drove off Chang'e 3!
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[21:30] <gb73d> yah
[21:30] <MLow> so nice to see my callsign in the program
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[21:31] <bertrik> what is decoding what?
[21:31] <MLow> my aprs tracker i've been working on for like a year
[21:31] <MLow> learning how to code, learning all the electronics stuff
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/12141328-six-wheels-on-soil-for-yutu.html
[21:36] <gb73d> TY
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[22:11] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFb1E63AxNI
[22:11] <arko> wow
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> now send a Curiosity-Class machine to the Moon!"
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> please
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:20] <fsphil> just missed a crater
[22:20] <Upu> so did Neil
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[22:29] <Jay-W5WHN> Amanda, are you still on line?
[22:30] <fsphil> brand new tracks on the moon
[22:30] <fsphil> that's cool
[22:30] <arko> yea
[22:30] <Upu> hey Jay are you collecting N9VAR ?
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[22:31] <Jay-W5WHN> K5ATM had collected the payload I believe.
[22:31] <KT5TK1> I have the impression the moon shines a bit more redish tonight...
[22:31] Action: Upu points at SpaceApple
[22:31] <Upu> ok
[22:31] <Upu> hey Evening Thomas
[22:31] <KT5TK1> Hi Upu
[22:31] <Upu> did you see my Tweets ?
[22:31] <Jay-W5WHN> Dual mission, recover NM5SS-11 & N9VAR-11.
[22:31] <KT5TK1> Sure, thanks. Been just a bit busy recently
[22:32] <Upu> nps just wanted to say thx for the idea
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[22:32] <Upu> and I found a better SAW :)
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[22:32] <KT5TK1> Seen that. What's the price for the SAW?
[22:33] <Upu> still discussing it with supplier
[22:33] <Upu> waiting for Darkside to run it through the VNA
[22:33] <Upu> but I'll send you a few samples
[22:33] <Upu> send you a made up amp
[22:33] <KT5TK1> OK, they're usually not cheap at non standard frequencies
[22:33] <Upu> they aren't super expensive
[22:33] <Upu> < $5 each
[22:34] <KT5TK1> Oh, that's reasonable
[22:34] <Upu> yeah very
[22:34] <Upu> I'm struggling with the Sonde freq SAW
[22:34] <Upu> PE2G is testing
[22:34] <Upu> I can get them
[22:34] <Upu> but MoQ is 100
[22:35] <KT5TK1> around 400 MHz or what?
[22:35] <Upu> 403.5
[22:35] <Upu> I made up a hamamp with one Pe2G is testing
[22:35] <KT5TK1> What BW do they need?
[22:35] <Upu> not much
[22:35] <Upu> sec I'll check specs
[22:36] <Upu> 3Mhz
[22:36] <Upu> 1.5db insertion loss
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[22:37] <Upu> the 2meter one is 145Mhz / 6Mhz 1.4db
[22:37] <KT5TK1> Did you do the impedance matching right? or what is the problem at 403.5?
[22:37] <Upu> no problem just the cost :)
[22:37] <Upu> and yes
[22:38] <KT5TK1> Ah ok. I'll check my ressources if I can find anything
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[22:47] <eroomde> so what was the conclusion on cuddykid's flight?
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/a/ZJTDQ
[22:48] <eroomde> have been out of the loop since about 3
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> ^there
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[22:48] <cuddykid> eroomde: not much really, just that someone nicked it and that 81.178.140.16 might be their ip
[22:49] <cuddykid> now in police hands but doubtful they'll do anything
[22:49] <craag> How did you get that ip?
[22:49] <eroomde> what the f is that Laurenceb_ ?
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> some trolling
[22:50] <cuddykid> craag: hit on my site earlier coming from a yahoo search for "habe flight computer v3" (exact wording written on flight computer) and IP is located near landing site
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[22:50] <Laurenceb_> lol that would be fun to explain to police
[22:50] <cuddykid> it was
[22:50] <craag> cuddykid: Ah, good catch!
[22:50] <craag> portscanned?
[22:50] <craag> d-link router?
[22:50] <cuddykid> very odd for someone to search for those words otherwise
[22:50] <cuddykid> all ports closed
[22:50] <craag> absolutely
[22:51] <cuddykid> but they don't reckon their going to get authorisation to request name/address from ISP
[22:51] <Upu> unlikely
[22:51] <Upu> unless you claim they stole your copyright
[22:51] <Upu> in which case all yours
[22:52] <cuddykid> lol
[22:52] <eroomde> yahoo search too
[22:52] <eroomde> it all adds up
[22:52] <chrisstubbs> cuddykid, did you look into the freedom of information act?
[22:53] <cuddykid> not yet chrisstubbs will do though if they say no via other route tomorrow
[22:53] <eroomde> suspect it's 100x less powerful than the data protection act
[22:53] <eroomde> as a private individual trying to geographically locate an IP
[22:54] <Gadget-Mac> Doubt FOI will get you anything as its only applicable to Public sector organisations
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[22:55] <mfa298> what Gadget-Mac said
[22:56] Action: Gadget-Mac really hates FOI
[22:57] <eroomde> do you work for a public secotr organisation?
[22:57] <Gadget-Mac> Yes and no.
[22:58] <eroomde> uni?
[22:58] <Gadget-Mac> Yup.
[22:58] <mfa298> i think the idea was good, but when you see some of the drivel on whatdotheyknow it does look like it's sometimes missused
[22:58] <eroomde> anglia?
[22:58] <Gadget-Mac> eroomde: Nope.
[22:59] <Gadget-Mac> Leicester
[22:59] <cuddykid> nothing on ebay/gumtree yet
[22:59] <eroomde> what do you normally get hit for?
[22:59] <Gadget-Mac> Most uni's sit between public and private sector, yet have to deal with the crap for both :)
[23:00] <Gadget-Mac> Working in IT , allsorts. From number of PC's and software, to having to provide e-mails
[23:00] <eroomde> sounds boring
[23:00] <Gadget-Mac> Yup.
[23:00] <eroomde> having to deal with all those requests
[23:00] <Gadget-Mac> Sucks.
[23:01] <Gadget-Mac> Could spend that time doing more useful stuff
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[23:13] <iain_g4sgx> Anyone got any comments on this new data mode? Worth looking at? http://www.on4nb.be/sim_description_en.htm
[23:14] <acidtech> psk-31?
[23:14] <acidtech> did not used that
[23:16] <iain_g4sgx> sim31, supposed to be based on psk but different somehow, not much info
[23:16] <eroomde> looks like psk31/63+fec
[23:16] <eroomde> which is fair enough
[23:17] <iain_g4sgx> aha cool.
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[23:28] <fsphil> the technical description doesn't seem to describe the FEC and there's no source code
[23:30] <LeoBodnar> It looks PSK31 with error correction
[23:30] <craag> So a good old piece of true ham radio software then :P
[23:31] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, Apple ][ code copied into VB5
[23:33] <LeoBodnar> I thought PSK with FEC code was called PSK-125R etc
[23:33] <LeoBodnar> R for "reliable"
[23:35] <acidtech> psk is cheating
[23:35] <acidtech> don`t like this mode
[23:37] <KT5TK1> Hmm, why is PSK cheating? Do you possibly confuse this with WSPR and similar?
[23:37] <KT5TK1> It's just a modulation sheme
[23:39] <acidtech> wspr too
[23:39] <acidtech> wspr is the best cheating
[23:39] <acidtech> )
[23:40] <KT5TK1> Yes, but wspr has a lot of the data going through the internet. WSPR is really MFSK
[23:40] <acidtech> because there is nearly no difference what power and what antenna do you use in psk mode
[23:41] <acidtech> it is possible to work with whole world in psk mode and 5w power
[23:41] <M6KIK> Interesting - reading about WACRL. Raises some interesting points though about whether stuff like that should be allowed or not
[23:41] <iain_g4sgx> WSPR only used the internet for reporting/mapping
[23:41] <craag> I asked my local radio club (who are very keen on racking up 'QSOs' with JT65) how long it would take someone to notice if I left a click-macro-script running the JT65 client. Their response was "Errrrrrr..."
[23:41] <acidtech> hehe
[23:41] <M6KIK> You could argue thar it can offend some people
[23:41] <acidtech> some people are asking for qsl cards for wspr :D
[23:42] <acidtech> but that is cheating
[23:42] <M6KIK> The bible does say a lot of bad thingz that might offend people. I'd therefore say christian nets arent really in the spirit of amateur radio
[23:42] <craag> I would far rather have a conversation with a human myself
[23:43] <KT5TK1> Just trying to understand why PSK is supposed to be cheating. It's just an effective modulation mode due to narrow bandwidth.
[23:43] <acidtech> it is very effective
[23:43] <craag> lol first x-atlantic QSO with the university was with 5W, got into a Jehova's Witnesses net (didn't find out til the end)
[23:43] Nick change: G8APZ-away -> G8APZ
[23:43] <acidtech> I am comparing it with simple rtty
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[23:44] <G8APZ> craag my last QSO with them was at the door last week... lasted all of 5 seconds!
[23:46] <acidtech> anyone have ft857 for sale?
[23:48] <M6KIK> acidtech try advertising in radcom
[23:48] <M6KIK> if you are from the uk
[23:49] <fsphil> all my contacts so far on HF have been via PSK or other slower digi modes
[23:49] <M6KIK> acidtech we're both in the same boat
[23:50] <fsphil> but I have a rule never to use macros except for the CQ, and callsign exchange at the end of a transmittion
[23:50] <M6KIK> psk sounds like fun
[23:50] <fsphil> cause two computers talking to eachother is boring :)
[23:50] <M6KIK> What's a macro?
[23:50] <G8APZ> Try doing JT65 on 2m EME!
[23:50] <fsphil> press a button and it transmits a prepared bit of text
[23:50] <acidtech> yes, I am from the uk
[23:51] <G8APZ> CQ %M %M for example where %M is your call
[23:51] <M6KIK> acidtech are you an RSGB member?
[23:51] <acidtech> no
[23:52] <fsphil> I have an FT857D. Not for sale, just thought I'd mention it :)
[23:52] <acidtech> I even don`t have a callsign at the moment )
[23:52] <M6KIK> fsphil do you like it?
[23:52] <fsphil> yea it's pretty good
[23:52] <fsphil> not very portable
[23:52] <G8APZ> be very wary of buying rigs by sending money - lots of scammers out there! Always collect in person if at all possible
[23:53] <fsphil> the ft817 would be better for tracking/mobile operating
[23:53] <acidtech> I found one on gumtree
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[23:53] <acidtech> but can not collect as it is far away
[23:53] <G8APZ> Extra care when offered due to a Wanted ad
[23:53] <acidtech> it can be scam&
[23:53] <acidtech> ?
[23:54] <G8APZ> yes... quite a few people have been offered a radio they said in an ad that they wanted. Reply comes with a photo... send off cheque, and rig never arrives.
[23:55] <G8APZ> email address then inactive
[23:55] <acidtech> http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/yaesu-ft857d/1039140705
[23:56] <M6KIK> I have a feeling I shouldn't give advice about buying one since I wantone mtself
[23:57] <G8APZ> I got scammed on eBay when I bought an FT847 - it never arrived, and the seller never responded. I complained to ebay and it appears a second person was offered the radio since I "had not completed the transaction" I got my money back by claiming back off CC, but other person lost his cos his Paypal was tied to his bank accountng my
[23:57] <G8APZ> to his bank account
[23:57] <M6KIK> Can you not report the member to the rsgb?
[23:58] <G8APZ> These people use callsigns of members but are not the person
[23:58] <M6KIK> Is it best to ask for a callsign and check if they are reputable?
[23:58] <G8APZ> Just be VERY wary
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[23:58] <M6KIK> Ah, so you could get someone to give you a shout on hf or something just so you know they are who they say?
[23:59] <M6KIK> Is the rsgb wanted section generally reliablw?
[23:59] <mfa298> that gumtree one looks like a better chance of being real: not stock photos, landline number, person been registered for a few years
[23:59] <G8APZ> in the scams I was aware of, a google for the call gave other examples of being conned by the same call, but the holder wasn't the scammer
[23:59] <mfa298> although I have no experience of gumtree
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