highaltitude.log.20131211

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[06:39] <Upu> morning, I've activated the APRS importer for SP9UOB
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[08:52] <DL7AD> morning
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[09:17] <LeoBodnar> morning gents!
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[09:18] <nats`> hi LeoBodnar :)
[09:18] <nats`> got some news for you
[09:18] <Maxell> Brrrr
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[09:44] <mfa298> moaning all
[09:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hita
[09:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hiya even
[09:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have a needy cat on my lap LOL
[09:45] <LeoBodnar> aloha
[09:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Leo!
[09:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> How are you both LeoBodnar and mfa298
[09:47] <mfa298> I'm ok at the moment, although suspect my wallet won't be later (car service and mot)
[09:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> *ouch*
[09:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> I don't drive but I feel your pain
[09:48] <gonzo__> buy a good set of spanners!
[09:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi gonzo__
[09:48] <mfa298> hopefully it's not too much pain.
[09:48] <gonzo__> I was out doing an oil change last night.
[09:48] <gonzo__> morning steve
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[09:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> And LazyLeopard I spoke to an aquaintence of yours the other day
[09:49] <gonzo__> (mine os a landrover, so you can get under without jacking it up. Saves a lot of work)
[09:49] <LeoBodnar> I am OK too. That makes us both OK! :D
[09:49] <LazyLeopard> Oh? Who'd that be?
[09:50] <LeoBodnar> *answering Steve's question
[09:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> A chap called Kevin who is a member of my radio club
[09:50] <gonzo__> FC pass coming up in 10 min
[09:50] <LazyLeopard> Tina's Kevin?
[09:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> That would be the one
[09:53] <LazyLeopard> Ok.
[09:54] <LazyLeopard> Does she come along to your club as well?
[09:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> I think she's been once or twice
[09:55] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm...
[09:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's interesting. I'm watching Tom's balloon on Tracker and it's updating but I see no stations within range. I wonder if it's doing APRS
[09:57] <mfa298> 06:39 < Upu> morning, I've activated the APRS importer for SP9UOB
[09:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah ha - Thanks mfa298
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> I love the concentration of stations in Poland and Slovakia. Not many anywhere else.
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[10:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Morning daveake
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[10:11] <g0azs> Ah. I was going to ask how APRS data found its way into the tracker. So it has to be "switched on" vs. normal RTTY (et al) telemetry uploads from fl-digi??
[10:13] <UpuWrk> we have a script
[10:13] <UpuWrk> that reads from the aprs.fi API and translates it to the tracker
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[10:20] <g0azs> OK thanks. I assumed as much. Is that something that is defined as a requirement in flight documents?
[10:20] <fsphil> there's nothing in the flight or payload docs for it at the moment
[10:20] <fsphil> it bypasses habitat completely
[10:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Phil. Are you feeling better?
[10:21] <fsphil> getting there thanks
[10:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Coolio, glad to hear it
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[10:26] <Maxell> 172 km/h 192° alt 7465 m \o/
[10:27] <Maxell> 172 km/h 192° alt 7525 m \o/
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[10:34] <eroomde> ok so the man from RS was here
[10:34] <eroomde> he looked at my code that sorted engineering units like it was witchcraft
[10:35] <HA6NN> shenki: Ki vagy?
[10:35] <eroomde> and asked if I would be alright with RS's website design people giving me a call
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> remember your consultancy fees
[10:36] <eroomde> i suspect they'll find it less witchcraft than he will
[10:36] <eroomde> but I'm happy to play along for favourable RS discounts
[10:36] <HA6NN> Does anyone know how was it possible to drew the tck of Tom' balloon down to the middle of the Mediterranien Sea?
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[10:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> HA6NN, The current location is being fed in from APRS as the RTTY is out of range
[10:40] <LeoBodnar> It's tempting to ditch UHF telemetry and go full time APRS
[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you click on the track points you will see the APRS encoding in the comments field, rather than the stations that have received the telelmetry
[10:40] <LeoBodnar> Energy benefit is like 10:1
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not nearly as much fun ...
[10:42] <mfa298> and fewer sets of position data compared to what most people send.
[10:42] <HA6NN> Geoff_G8HDE GM Geoff, I have been tracking SP9UOB's balloon till about midnight on 144010 kHz. I can see on aprs.fi the last point of track was around Zombor (Hungarian town on the territory of Serbia.).
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> From earlier;
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> [10:11] <g0azs> Ah. I was going to ask how APRS data found its way into the tracker. So it has to be "switched on" vs. normal RTTY (et al) telemetry uploads from fl-digi??
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> [10:13] <UpuWrk> we have a script
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> [10:13] <UpuWrk> that reads from the aprs.fi API and translates it to the tracker
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> [10:20] <g0azs> OK thanks. I assumed as much. Is that something that is defined as a requirement in flight documents?
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> [10:20] <fsphil> there's nothing in the flight or payload docs for it at the moment
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> [10:20] <fsphil> it bypasses habitat completely
[10:45] <HA6NN> Geoff-G8HDE Thanks! I have seen small red squares at certain points on the track line...
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[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=4&call=a%2FSP9UOB-11&timerange=86400&tail=86400
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[10:53] <HA6NN> Geoff.G8HDE May I pay your consultancy fee in lager beer? :)
[10:55] <HA6NN> Geoff-G8HDE May I pay your consultancy fee in lager beer? :)
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes indeed - http://bit.ly/BuyMeABeerOrTwo
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[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh comments they are out of stock :-(
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[10:57] <eroomde> which one were you after Geoff-G8DHE ?
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any of the Arundel beers do me ;-)
[10:58] <eroomde> mmmm sussex gold
[10:58] <eroomde> like it a lot
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed!
[10:59] <eroomde> also trident
[10:59] <eroomde> hmmm, looking forward to being at parent's this christmas
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Popping over there on Thursday as the local supermarkets are out of stock for Xmas
[10:59] <eroomde> I miss all the pubs around the downs
[10:59] <eroomde> they're a treasure-trove
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> The nice ones tucked away are great!
[11:00] <Maxell> Steffan-: \o/
[11:01] <Maxell> 172 km/h 192° alt 7428 m :D
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SP9UOB_20131210/index.php?ind=0
[11:02] <HA6NN> Geoff-G8HDE Delivery seems to be a bit expensive... :(
[11:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> I let others worry about that, I get my chaffauress to take me to the Brewery and then grab them ;-)
[11:09] <HA6NN> Geoff-G8HDE Congratulations on your wonderful website! You are the great white magician! :)
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> LoL :)
[11:10] <Steffan-> lol Maxell .. are you following me?
[11:10] <Steffan-> scary.
[11:11] <g0azs> Hmm.. SP9UOB-11being tracked in Malta now
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[11:13] <Maxell> Steffan-: common intrestest I presume :)
[11:13] <Maxell> 172 km/h 192° alt 7566 m
[11:13] <UpuWrk> Sadly I doubt the APRS network in Libya is up to much
[11:13] <UpuWrk> you never know
[11:13] <Maxell> Did it got stuck? 172 km/h 192° No way mother nature is so stable...
[11:15] <Maxell> g0azs: lollolo, one digipeater and one igate on Malta
[11:15] <Maxell> better send qsl card :P
[11:20] <mfa298> UpuWrk: might be a good thing I doubt Libya signed up to TR61/01 either.
[11:28] <LeoBodnar> It will still transmit over Libya I suppose
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[12:01] <eroomde> overheard in the office when reviewing a drawing package to send to some machinists
[12:02] <eroomde> 'this curve that needs CNCing is marked as a hyperbola, it's actually a degenerate quintic'
[12:02] <eroomde> '....oh cripes, don't want to upset the machinist'
[12:05] <LeoBodnar> Some of our CNC machinists used to be Hells Angels members so better put it down as hyperbola
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[12:45] <HA6NN> Testing
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[12:49] <eroomde> this is pretty cool
[12:49] <eroomde> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25329444
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[13:39] <Willdude123> craag just heard about the SUWS/BARC SDR
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[13:43] <Maxell> HA6NN: pong 13:45:47 testing
[13:44] <craag> Willdude123: :) Taken a look at it?
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[14:01] <cuddykid> wind conditions are truly dreadful at the moment - all launches landing in the sea or cambridge :(
[14:01] <mattbrejza> today would have been a good day for us if it wasnt a weekday
[14:01] <mattbrejza> no clouds for once
[14:02] <cuddykid> wonder if there are people in cambridge area that wouldn't mind fetching payload after landing (for a reward :P ) to save the 5hr roundtrip
[14:02] <mattbrejza> well it wouldnt be the first time
[14:02] <mattbrejza> the last time involved a trip to france lol
[14:02] <cuddykid> haha
[14:03] <cuddykid> from memory there are quite a few ukhas people based around east anglia
[14:03] <eroomde> yes
[14:04] <eroomde> at least, Cambridge was the centre of the UKHAS world for a while
[14:04] <cuddykid> yep
[14:04] <eroomde> though i think it's holidays now
[14:04] <eroomde> and ajmes is in london
[14:04] <eroomde> steve is on the coast in suffolk
[14:04] <eroomde> which might work
[14:04] <mattbrejza> fairly sure adamgreig is still in cam, although carless?
[14:04] <mattbrejza> *car-less
[14:04] <eroomde> i beleive so
[14:05] <cuddykid> there's a small possibility of a launch on saturday - pending conditions and building the payload
[14:05] <eroomde> number10, various G.\+
[14:14] <HA6NN> Maxell: :) There was now activity on this chat, so I sent that test message...
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[14:32] <eroomde> i'm listening to some of the old space shuttle engine guys giving a talk at MIT
[14:32] <eroomde> i like that they pronounce 'turbine' as 'turban'
[14:32] <Maxell> HA6NN: seems to work :)
[14:37] <Hix> have you launched something cuddykid?
[14:37] <Hix> I'm not a million miles away
[14:37] <Hix> from Cambridge
[14:38] <cuddykid> Hix: possibly saturday :) every launch looks to land around that area atm
[14:38] <cuddykid> I'll post something on the mailing list if I do decide to go ahead
[14:38] <Hix> ok, I might be able to fetch - provided it's not too far.
[14:39] <cuddykid> cheers :)
[14:40] <Hix> I'm 51.68, 0.01 so have pretty good transport links to S.Cambs area
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[14:43] <cuddykid> currently: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=f9be091bcc91191a59fad4edc712b27671aa1e6b
[14:44] <cuddykid> got plenty of gas to play around with ascent rates etc if needed
[14:46] <mattbrejza> you have to try and land it in another habber's back garden
[14:48] <cuddykid> only a true hab professional can carry out the homing payload
[14:48] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_PxhU9i9Ng
[14:48] <Hix> thats not too much of a trek at all.
[14:52] <gonzo__> I thought about a commanded cutdown. But with a free descent, amnd chute deploy at a low alt. To see how accuratly you could target a landing. Thinking of avoiding built up areas and aiming at fields etc
[14:53] <Laurenceb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/s0d6m0n4tihz6yf/IMG_00000121.jpg
[14:53] <gonzo__> though wonder how that sort of things 'could' be interpreted
[14:54] <craag> gonzo__: Unfortunately there's the risk of the chute not opening :/
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[14:55] <gonzo__> yep, did think about the chute issue. Did think of a soft payload, like a sponge football (to freeze and come down like a slowball)
[14:55] <DL1SGP> snowball?
[14:55] <DL1SGP> :D
[14:55] <gonzo__> and the prob of a cheut deploy at speed in thisk air
[14:56] <gonzo__> hehe, yep snoball, or fastball!
[14:56] <gonzo__> w
[14:59] <craag> Having cutdown though would be fun, been meaning to have go at making it for ages.
[15:01] <ve6ts> i have tested my cutdown, it was alot of fun
[15:01] <ve6ts> never needed it since
[15:02] <craag> ve6ts: You don't live on an island :P
[15:02] <ve6ts> nope that is for sure
[15:03] <ve6ts> but i have had splashdown into the only puddle of water in the field (murphys law)
[15:04] <craag> hehe
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[15:10] <Maxell> wow, sick tropo at 2mtr and 70cm
[15:11] <Maxell> I am hearing two UK repeaters @ 70cm from The Hague
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[15:16] <DL7AD> good evening
[15:17] <LeoBodnar> It's very wet and foggy here so no wonder
[15:17] <DL7AD> no good condition for a balloon launch
[15:18] <eroomde> LeoBodnar: it's just burnt off here in the last hour or so
[15:18] <eroomde> very pretty
[15:20] <LeoBodnar> horizontal visibility here is still 300-500ft
[15:20] <LeoBodnar> yo! Sibot?
[15:20] <LeoBodnar> 500 feet
[15:21] <LeoBodnar> wut?
[15:21] <craag> Seems to have disconnected...
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[15:22] <craag> 500 feet
[15:22] <SIbot> In real units: 500 ft = 152 m
[15:24] <Hix> when did SIbot appear?
[15:25] <gonzo__> oh, the temptation to start units based puns again
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[15:26] <craag> A couple of months ago, a quick script to poke fun at those we forced to use our inferior units, before we switched to a decent system.
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[15:26] <Hix> heh cool
[15:27] <Hix> 200 Fahrenheit
[15:27] <Hix> ahh, just distance then?
[15:27] <craag> only does feet/ft atm
[15:28] <craag> next to add would probably be lbs, as that's the second most used here.
[15:28] <Hix> bah, as thinking that would translate it using googles converter and fire back the link
[15:29] <Hix> andf it might well have done had i not spelt it wrong.
[15:29] <craag> That bot is a bit broken I think
[15:29] <daveake> bot's on holiday
[15:29] <daveake> or vacation
[15:29] <craag> lol
[15:30] <Hix> I've been knees deep in VBA for the past week or so, it is truly awful. though it has really helped my code reading skills
[15:31] <gonzo__> It'll be on it's feet again in no time
[15:32] <gonzo__> (sorry, couldn't help myself)
[15:35] <Hix> heh
[15:39] <eroomde> 300 fett
[15:39] <SIbot> In real units: 300 ft = 91 m
[15:40] <eroomde> it's not heard of the Bobba system of units then
[15:40] <nats`> every people using imperial system should be banned from earth !
[15:41] <nats`> (you know a channel is good when you can launch a troll on metric vs imperial system)
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[15:42] <cm13g09> craag: Evidently understands misspeelings then :P
[15:42] <LeoBodnar> -100ft
[15:42] <SIbot> In real units: 100 ft = 30 m
[15:42] <LeoBodnar> no neatives?
[15:42] <eroomde> it's an absolutist bot
[15:42] <LeoBodnar> 999999999999999999ft
[15:42] <SIbot> In real units: 999999999999 ft = 304800000 km
[15:42] <eroomde> afeet
[15:43] <eroomde> (1+2)ft
[15:43] <LeoBodnar> both feet
[15:43] <eroomde> 1+2ft
[15:43] <SIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[15:43] <cm13g09> lol I can just see there being plans afoot to break things :P
[15:43] <daveake> 2+2-2ft
[15:43] <SIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[15:43] <daveake> cleevrbot
[15:43] <cm13g09> We'll soon need a meter to show how broken things are ;)
[15:43] <craag> Yes yes it's not sophisticated
[15:44] <mfa298> 2 fets
[15:44] <SIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[15:44] <cm13g09> and craag, I take it it will improve - as the code inches forward on its journey?
[15:44] <craag> cm13g09: lol
[15:44] <eroomde> .\+2ft
[15:44] <SIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[15:44] <LeoBodnar> 2 mosftes
[15:44] <cm13g09> sorry - you were asking for it ;)
[15:44] <LeoBodnar> 2 MOSFETs
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[15:44] <craag> well, pull reqs are welcome ;)
[15:44] <nats`> 2 fetischists ?
[15:44] <SIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[15:45] <nats`> yayyy !!!
[15:45] Action: cm13g09 continues beating Javascript
[15:45] <eroomde> 1+feet
[15:45] <eroomde> 1feet
[15:45] <SIbot> In real units: 1 ft = 0.30 m
[15:45] <craag> I can save you all a lot of effort
[15:45] <craag> regex="[0-9]*[, ]?[0-9]+[ ]*f[e]{0,2}t"
[15:46] <nats`> reading regexp is like watching porno in ascii
[15:46] <nats`> I can see boobs in the matrix ;)
[15:47] <LeoBodnar> egrep '^fet' /usr/share/dict/*
[15:47] <eroomde> [ft
[15:47] <eroomde> ha!
[15:47] <cm13g09> lol - everyone stand back - I know regular expressions (and RPN)
[15:47] <LeoBodnar> 10ft
[15:47] <SIbot> In real units: 10 ft = 3.05 m
[15:47] <cm13g09> (mis)quoting XKCD?
[15:48] <cm13g09> craag: I shall attempt to patch that regex to be something sane ;)
[15:48] <LeoBodnar> 0x0A ft
[15:48] <eroomde> LeoBodnar: we had an RS rep come this morning
[15:48] <craag> cm13g09: Go ahead, was my first ever regex :P
[15:49] <eroomde> it was a good opportunity to vent my frustrations with the website
[15:49] <craag> cm13g09: https://github.com/philcrump/SIbot
[15:49] <LeoBodnar> any goodies?
[15:49] <mfa298> cm13g09: regex probably just needs something on the end to match whitespace or end of line
[15:49] <eroomde> no, just complainging to him about how awful his website is
[15:49] <eroomde> I showed him this, for example
[15:49] <mfa298> then more regexs for other units.
[15:49] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lz37yr7evsglst0/rs.png
[15:49] <eroomde> which makes me a bit sick in my mouth
[15:50] <mfa298> eroomde: you renamed it :( the old name was more accurate
[15:50] <LeoBodnar> Oh, I thought R&S
[15:50] <eroomde> then i wrote himma function in python called sortWithUnits (less than 20 lines of code) to demonstrate that it's not that hard: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ec348cygbbilxx/Screenshot%20from%202013-12-10%2012%3A16%3A38.png
[15:50] <LeoBodnar> I gave up on RS and Farnell
[15:50] <eroomde> mfa298: yes i thought it a good idea tyo rename it
[15:50] <LeoBodnar> their reps defect every year
[15:51] <LeoBodnar> we had three last year
[15:51] <eroomde> he seemed to have been around for a bit
[15:51] <LeoBodnar> Farnell counts as "around" in their circles :D
[15:52] <eroomde> :)
[15:52] <LeoBodnar> Almost impossible to get through to right people
[15:53] <eroomde> i also don't like how searching your order hisotry is now much harder
[15:53] <eroomde> and generally i don't like their website
[15:53] <eroomde> but they have lots of candies all available next day
[15:53] <eroomde> so we're still stuck with them
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[15:54] <LeoBodnar> I know, they are the hookers of engineering
[15:55] <LeoBodnar> We even order office paper from Farnell
[15:55] <eroomde> anyway, he's going to show what i did to their website people (he seemed to think it was witchcraft, i suspect their coders say 'yep whatever, add it to the list') and says they might call
[15:55] <LeoBodnar> That's usually the sign of company going bankrupt within a year
[15:56] <LeoBodnar> Is RS UK company originally?
[15:56] <LeoBodnar> Still fog outside!
[15:56] <ms7821> yeah, originally radiospares
[15:57] <eroomde> it would have been nice to get a visit from the R&S man
[15:58] <eroomde> alas
[15:58] <nats`> someone has a good insight about the R&TTE more precisely the status of the cei61000 and the electrical security
[15:58] <nats`> I can't find if the 4-4 chapter is amndatory to be CE certified or not
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[16:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
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[16:24] <UpuWrk> evening Tom
[16:24] <UpuWrk> I suspect you balloon is lost :/
[16:24] <UpuWrk> but great flight
[16:24] Nick change: UpuWrk -> UpuWork
[16:24] <eroomde> I suspect all is lost
[16:24] <eroomde> it feels like the evening
[16:25] <eroomde> I really want some fish and chips
[16:25] <eroomde> and other non-sequiturs
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[16:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> UpuWrk: we need aprs or rtty listeners in Libia
[16:25] <UpuWork> Yeah that
[16:25] <UpuWork> and I think they are too busy not dying to be setting up APRS igates
[16:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: last battery voltage from vcc was 1.408V
[16:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> so it should run day or two
[16:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: yeah...
[16:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have no idea whi aprs.fi has stopped decoding telemetry
[16:27] <UpuWork> "There is no current national Amateur Radio entity listed by the International Amateur Radio Union for Libya"
[16:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> but im doing it by hand and it decodes ok
[16:28] <UpuWork> 5A7RYZ
[16:28] <nats`> isn't libya one of those country wich forbid amateur radio ?
[16:28] <UpuWork> seems to be one of the only Libian call signs I've found
[16:29] <eroomde> i think you might have just condenmed him
[16:29] <UpuWork> 5A1A ABUBAKER ASSID
[16:30] <eroomde> and him
[16:30] <UpuWork> currently residing in Germany
[16:30] <UpuWork> elzo71@yahoo.com he may have some contacts back in Libya
[16:33] <UpuWork> apparently Libya and North Korea are pretty much HAM free
[16:35] <Laurenceb> glorious nations
[16:36] <UpuWork> I'd probably let it go and hope it floats back to civilisation before the battery dies
[16:36] <UpuWork> I doubt Algeria is going to be a HAM hot bed either
[16:36] <nats`> yemen too
[16:36] <nats`> I don't know why some countries refuse to issue some license
[16:37] <UpuWork> there are APRS stations in Algeria actually
[16:38] <UpuWork> should be 144.800 as well
[16:44] <eroomde> HAB-en listening in the Yemen
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[16:46] <_bart> Hi
[16:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> good evening
[16:48] <_bart> Weird question, I'm developing an open-source space-related website and I noticed that the frontpage of the http://spacenear.us/ website is not used, any change I can put it to good use? :)
[16:49] <UpuWork> it is used it has a link to the tracker
[16:49] <eroomde> define 'good' :)
[16:49] <eroomde> it was originally going to be a bit more portally, but the tracker was its first feature, and it remains so
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> It is awaiting the setup of the massive UKHAS web infrastructure.
[16:51] <eroomde> _bart: also in generally i'd be very interested to hear more about the website
[16:51] <eroomde> open-source and space has a large overlap right in this channel
[16:53] <UpuWork> spacenear.us was just a holding page most of the stuff is down habhub.org now
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[16:56] <_bart> Yes, well my idea will maybe sound a bit vague, but I'll try to explain it. I'm a physicist (well, almost got my degree) and I like the current developments in the space field. Companies like SpaceX are pushing the fronteer. But I feel like the everyday person has no idea 'where we are at' in our move to space. Like when you ask someone what the furthest human-made object is they sometimes know it's the voyager, but have no id
[16:56] <_bart> ea how far or 'where' it is.
[16:56] <_bart> Also, movies like Interstellar, coming next year I think, are promoting the 'space culture' which is cool.
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[16:57] <_bart> Anyway, I created 2D D3.js powered animation of the solar system and what we are doing where.
[16:57] <eroomde> got a preview?
[16:58] <_bart> Combined with the most important news facts and cultural events I think it will be interesting to get more people to love our space moves, even though they are no rocket scientists
[16:59] <_bart> eroomde: not yet, I already got the planets floating around, calculated with keplerian rates provided by NASA JPL, but I'm now working on the design and entering the moons.
[16:59] <_bart> It's all a Node.js powered app.
[17:00] <eroomde> nice
[17:00] <_bart> Anyway, when I got the idea down in code fully I'll github it all and let you guys know.
[17:01] <eroomde> awesome
[17:02] <_bart> It's pretty hard to come up with a good name though, so feel free to share the ideas. It's now at a point that I need the name for the logo heh
[17:03] <eroomde> spacemap
[17:03] <eroomde> spadar
[17:03] <eroomde> spaaaaaaaaaaace!!
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> I need a decent fit-up table.
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/etta1_1.jpg?itok=FvkKE0L5
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> (note the floor)
[17:04] <_bart> haha
[17:04] <_bart> yes spacemap crossed my mind but it's maybe a bit too easy
[17:05] <eroomde> easy to remember is good
[17:05] <_bart> boasting a flat design and node.js it should be a little 'cooler' you know, but well, I will get there :)
[17:05] <_bart> pretty sure spacemap is taken too, let's see
[17:06] <eroomde> solarmap
[17:06] <eroomde> spacevision
[17:07] <_bart> something with solar is a good idea indeed, noted
[17:08] <_bart> anyway, I'll first design the page without logo and then see what comes to mind, thanks
[17:09] <eroomde> np
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[18:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.analog.com/en/rfif-components/rfif-transceivers/ad9361/products/EVAL-AD-FMCOMMS2/eb.html?utm_source=currents_12-13&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=currents&elq=5fb8e19d3c6c4c25bffeaec3e2c8277a&elqCampaignId=466 If santa is feeling generous
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[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:34] <eroomde> good evening Lunar_Lander
[18:35] <LeoBodnar> evening *
[18:36] <LeoBodnar> SP9UOB-Tom are you in Africa yet? :)
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[18:39] <Herman-PB0AHX_> GE all
[18:39] <jcoxon> evening
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[18:46] <Herman-PB0AHX_> I get withdrawal symptoms start again no balloon in this region GRGR hihihi fun
[18:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: yes, but no listeners :-(
[18:47] <Willdude123> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNpX6CBzkko
[18:47] <Willdude123> On the youtoobes
[18:47] <eroomde> Herman-PB0AHX_: build one!
[18:47] <LeoBodnar> I know how it feels Tom
[18:48] <LeoBodnar> What logic do you use to change APRS path?
[18:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> last battery reading was 1.408 V (from last aprs frame) so battery is in good condition
[18:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> altitude with histeresis
[18:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> hysteresis?
[18:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> when going up path is removed above 2500m
[18:49] <LeoBodnar> This morning it suddenly was WIDE2-1 and now it is gone
[18:50] <LeoBodnar> at 7500m
[18:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: because of gps glitches
[18:50] <LeoBodnar> wide path is good, ignore aprs.fi
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[18:50] <LeoBodnar> especially around Italy
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[18:51] <Herman-PB0AHX_> I am working to gather indeed but is not easy if you have no experience
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[18:53] <fsphil> if you think about it too much you'll never do it
[18:53] <fsphil> just get it done :)
[18:54] <Willdude123> This guy is so weird :/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ip01je1qFQ
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[18:55] <eroomde> yeah, it's easier than most people think. there was almost no information there to be gethered when we started
[18:55] <Willdude123> craag not seen it yet
[18:55] <mclane> maybe willdude123, but his english is rarely understandable foe a non-native speaker
[18:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: APRS has some advantages over RTTY :-)
[18:56] <LeoBodnar> RTTY has no single advantage over APRS
[18:56] <fsphil> simplicity
[18:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> now, when we have small lightweight trackers we can use unattended receiving stations
[18:57] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, we can use it in the UK
[18:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> my first tracker had 230 grams. http://sp9uob.verox.pl/traker.jpg
[18:58] <fsphil> we could do aprs on 869mhz
[18:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: something was changed ?
[18:58] <fsphil> but it would be kinda pointless :)
[18:59] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, i mean rtty on 434 can be used in the UK so its an advantage over APRS
[18:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/20111123_201703.jpg
[18:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/20111123_201726.jpg
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> APRS on 434MHz will do just fine in the UK
[18:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: ok i see :-)
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> Considering its DR is <1%
[18:59] <mfa298> with rtty we can have 100% duty cycle
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[19:00] <fsphil> we could 100% with ax.25 too
[19:00] <fsphil> but without fec it'll not be too good
[19:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: there is fec option for aprs/ax25
[19:01] <fsphil> yea fx25
[19:01] <mfa298> although only on a dedicated frequency, at which point rtty is a lot easier.
[19:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> yea
[19:01] <fsphil> rtty becomes a problem at higher baud rates
[19:01] <fsphil> for 1200 and above using something closer to packet would be better
[19:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> anyway no corrected aprs with 100mW is good enough (no over Italy), ald Leo says that 15 mW is enough
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> we are killing HABbing as we know it
[19:03] <mfa298> I'd quite like to see how the faster DominoEX modes work although I need to make my code not crash a Pi first.
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> France is the problem though.
[19:03] <mfa298> although I don't think it gives us anything much better than 300bd rtty with DomineEX88
[19:04] <LeoBodnar> I am going to fly next flight with the fastest Contestia on the menu in dl-fldigi
[19:04] <LeoBodnar> We have plenty of spectrum
[19:07] Action: SP9UOB-Tom just got the tickets for Clannad performance in Poland :-)
[19:07] <LeoBodnar> SP9UOB-Tom is this a HAB base station? I have some dsPIC33 thing in the works that decodes APRS and Domino
[19:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> wider spectrum requres higher power
[19:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: no this is tracker, but two-way
[19:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> it decodes APRS
[19:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> dspic33 based
[19:09] <LeoBodnar> Ah, interesting, I am still working on a prototype
[19:09] <LeoBodnar> Haha good choice :D
[19:10] Action: SP9UOB-Tom loves dsPIC's :-)
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[19:13] <LeoBodnar> I reckon the whole APRS packet can be soft-decoded at once
[19:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: look at (via google-translator ;-) http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dstnc.html
[19:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: sure
[19:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: its relatively easy
[19:14] <LeoBodnar> Oh, interesting
[19:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> only computing power is required
[19:14] <LeoBodnar> Why did you use dsPIC30?
[19:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: it was my first contact with dsPIC its old project
[19:14] <LeoBodnar> I see
[19:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> but results was awesome :-)
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[19:25] <DL1SGP2> hi al :)
[19:25] <DL1SGP2> *all
[19:27] <LeoBodnar> Hi DL1SGP2 et al.
[19:32] <DL1SGP2> lol
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[20:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> mouser.com
[20:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> oops wrong window :-)
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[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:31] <fsphil> 404, window not found
[20:32] <cm13g09> fsphil: I know somebody who probably does have a Window 404 in their IRSSI ;)
[20:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> Lunar_Lander: mouser is one place in the web where i can buy precious si446x :-)
[20:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> even aliexpress.com dont have s...
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[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[20:35] <LeoBodnar> aligexpress.com for all your silicon needs
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> :P
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[20:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: even breast silicon ;-) ?
[20:44] <stilldavid> *silicone
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> fake muscles silicone
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[20:44] <jcoxon> hey stilldavid
[20:44] <stilldavid> ohai jcoxon
[20:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: our chinese friends doesnt have si4464
[20:45] <stilldavid> just, uh. sayin' hi.
[20:45] <stilldavid> and wishing arko would send me one of his pico boards :(
[20:45] Action: jcoxon kicks arko
[20:45] <LeoBodnar> "e" matters!
[20:45] <jcoxon> stilldavid, got any launches planned?
[20:46] <stilldavid> nothing as of yet. I would like to start in on some smaller payloads, though.
[20:46] <jcoxon> (also was just reading SF's cybermonday review
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> I have Chinese MP5 player
[20:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> stilldavid: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/picov4-1-front.jpg
[20:46] <stilldavid> yeah, that was quite a day for us.
[20:46] <jcoxon> looks it
[20:46] <stilldavid> SP9UOB-Tom: nice!
[20:46] <stilldavid> what chip is that?
[20:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/picov4-1-back.jpg
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[20:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> which one ?
[20:47] <stilldavid> the larger IC
[20:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> pic18f26k22, mcp1640, si4464
[20:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> pic18f26k22
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[20:48] <stilldavid> I like that si4464
[20:48] <LeoBodnar> Too powerful
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> NA market version of Si4460
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> ive used the si4432
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> but thats old now
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> id like to know how much the slight improvement on the never stuff is due to lower NF LNA on the input
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> also, from ages ago -> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:chipcon_cc1020_software_define_radio
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[20:51] <Laurenceb_> you could get more bandwidth out of it with a non lame microcontroller
[20:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi Sven
[20:54] <LeoBodnar> Is I/Q stream digital over SPI?
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[20:55] <Laurenceb_> yes
[20:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> interesting
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> So you downmix to near zero IF?
[20:56] <Laurenceb_> yes
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> Or pretty much direct conversion RX?
[20:56] <Laurenceb_> the cc1020 is actually zero if
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> nice
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> shame it's only 8 bit
[20:56] <stilldavid> SP9UOB-Tom: I like the "if found" message right on the silk :)
[20:56] <Laurenceb_> then some dsp onboard to extract a slice 400kHz above center
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> but you bypass that with the spi debug mode
[20:57] <DL7AD> evening :)
[20:57] <LeoBodnar> This is for PCB fab house stilldavid
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> i think the theoretical bandwidth you can get is about 100kHz using spi
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> sorry
[20:57] <stilldavid> so what do you transmit with it?
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> spi is after the dsp
[20:57] <stilldavid> are you limited to the modes in the datasheet?
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> so the "zero" in the center has no LO spur
[20:58] <Laurenceb_> as its 400kHz away from the spur
[20:58] <Laurenceb_> of course the saner way to build the SDR think on that page would be using JACK
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> to create a new audio device
[20:59] <bertrik> sorry, don't mean to be rude, but what is the point of this?
[20:59] <LeoBodnar> I am thinking balloon-balloon comms
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> me too :D
[20:59] <LeoBodnar> wasting life away bertrik :D
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> but embedded linux with jack server would be silly
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[21:01] <LeoBodnar> stilldavid: it can do (=have been made to do) RTTY, APRS, DominoEX, Contestia and Olivia
[21:01] <LeoBodnar> and CW
[21:01] <stilldavid> awesome.
[21:02] <LeoBodnar> Contestia over Africa lol
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[21:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: mine also can WSPR :-)
[21:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> and APRS 300 baud on HF :-)
[21:03] <LeoBodnar> Good name for a biplane with mahoosive rotary engine
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[21:03] <stilldavid> SP9UOB-Tom: I assume you've gotten it to aprs 9600 on 2m ?
[21:03] <LeoBodnar> HF from Si4463 oO ?
[21:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: no from AD9851 :-)
[21:04] <stilldavid> it's been a long, long time since I've made a board.
[21:04] <stilldavid> but now I kind of want to :)
[21:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> with square wave output it gives 500mW out at 21 MHz in class E from one BS-170
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Ah, cool. I have used CDCE913 for HF
[21:05] Action: bertrik only has a RFM22B to play with
[21:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: i have some si570 for the same purpose
[21:06] <LeoBodnar> if I recall right they are very power hungry, I remember crossing them out from my potential parts list a few years ago
[21:06] <LeoBodnar> for another tracker project
[21:06] <LeoBodnar> are they like 100mA?
[21:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> i dont think so
[21:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have to make PCB for tests
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> datasheet says 98mA operating and 75mA tristated
[21:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> maybe cmos output is enough to tie an antenna with class-E matching
[21:11] <LeoBodnar> I have used CDCE913 for the same task - they are like 10mA
[21:12] <LeoBodnar> and have true shutdown mode
[21:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/25-pcs-Free-Shipping-Wireless-ic-si4463-si4463-b1b-fmr/1050630997.html
[21:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> FOUND ! :)
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> I'll stick with Si4460
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[21:14] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb have you been able to decode the signal from CC1020?
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[21:17] <Laurenceb_> yes
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> ive used it for flights with fldigi
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> pre rtlsdr
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[21:20] <DL1SGP2> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander
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[21:20] <englishman> hey LeoBodnar cool balloons :)
[21:20] <englishman> i have a Si4463 project
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[21:20] <englishman> you've been using something similar?
[21:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> those sample books are awesome :-) They are saving lots of time http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shippiing-1-0603-SMD-SMT-chip-resistor-assorted-book-170-values-total-8500pcs/976991709.html
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[21:23] <LeoBodnar> I use Si4460 but a lot of people are using Si4463 here
[21:23] <nats`> back
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[21:24] <englishman> ok cool, I'll have to continue idling here then
[21:25] <englishman> any code resources? beyond the libraries from Silabs
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[21:29] <LeoBodnar> Sorry, got distracted with some SMT resistor books :D
[21:30] <LeoBodnar> I have a box and they are only E12 and 5%
[21:30] <LeoBodnar> so these are great find Tom
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[21:31] <nats`> go on ebay
[21:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: i have 0805 RCL and 0603 RCL amazing idea to put them into books
[21:31] <nats`> they are fucking chip I have book for cap resistor and inductance in 0402/0603
[21:31] <nats`> :)
[21:31] <LeoBodnar> However! A sales rep from Wuerth Electronics said that their samples books are one-off purchase. Any refills are free.
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> nice
[21:31] <nats`> LeoBodnar but they are something like 1keuro
[21:31] <nats`> about 300 book from ebay :p
[21:31] <LeoBodnar> I know usually £100-200 per book
[21:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> just like pepsi in PizzaHut ;-)
[21:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> any refills for free
[21:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> 0402 are too small for my big hands
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[21:33] <nats`> 0402 are easy with a bino but the main problem is the desk :)
[21:34] <LeoBodnar> and sneezing
[21:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> nats`: i have no idea how put so many amount of solderpaste
[21:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> on the PCB
[21:34] <nats`> you have oshstencils :)
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[21:35] <nats`> I use them massively now
[21:35] <nats`> they do easy to use stencil
[21:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> what is this ?
[21:35] <englishman> i use a heroin syringe
[21:35] <nats`> it's a plastic stencil you put it over a pcb
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[21:35] <nats`> hand you put the paste on it
[21:35] <LeoBodnar> try solder paste it reflows better!
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[21:35] <nats`> after you take a paper
[21:35] <nats`> :D
[21:36] <nats`> burnt plastic smell so good :D
[21:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOL
[21:36] <nats`> http://www.stencilsunlimited.com/smt_stencils/smt_stencil_tutorial_page3.htm
[21:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> englishman: me too :)
[21:36] <LeoBodnar> one of our guys swore by using syring but get converted to stencils in the end
[21:36] <nats`> for 0603 syringe start to be hard
[21:36] <englishman> depends on what you are doing
[21:37] <LeoBodnar> *multiple spelling fails
[21:37] <nats`> and worst with qfn
[21:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> nats`: yeah, but for every board you have to make stencil
[21:37] <DL1SGP2> salut nats`
[21:37] <nats`> 10$ :D
[21:37] <nats`> salut DL1SGP2 :)
[21:38] <DL1SGP2> SP9UOB-Tom: how is life with you, any trips planned for bringing HF into air?
[21:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> QFN is ok with syringe
[21:38] <nats`> bascially it's the solderpaste gerber
[21:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL1SGP2: im almost ready, i have to issue notam request and make a box for payload
[21:39] <DL1SGP2> good, take your time most my equipment is a bit... "down" after storm :) expected to get fixed tomorrow
[21:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL1SGP2: how is life with me? You have to ask my wife ;-)
[21:39] <DL1SGP2> SP9UOB-Tom: I was asking about life, not your finances :)
[21:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOL
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[22:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok time to bed
[22:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
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[23:00] <eroomde> david sedaris lives 2 miles from my parents. that's brilliant
[23:00] <eroomde> christmas mission: meet david sedaris
[23:00] <arko> heh
[23:01] <arko> how'd you find out?
[23:01] <eroomde> something on radio 4 about him picking up litter in the woods near where he lives
[23:01] <arko> ahh
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[23:03] <eroomde> seriously it's very exciting
[23:03] <eroomde> i love him
[23:03] <arko> :)
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[23:06] <arko> funny dude
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[23:14] <Willdude123> Guys
[23:14] <Lunar_Lander_> hey chrisstubbs
[23:14] <Willdude123> guess what?
[23:14] <chrisstubbs> evening
[23:14] <chrisstubbs> Sup will
[23:14] <chrisstubbs> got your callsign?
[23:14] <Willdude123> I soldered an 0805
[23:14] <Willdude123> no not yet
[23:14] <Willdude123> It took me a good 15 mins
[23:14] <chrisstubbs> aha
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[23:15] <Willdude123> and I was briefly mentioned in the nadars newsletter
[23:15] <Willdude123> still awaiting my rsgbpass cert
[23:15] <chrisstubbs> Cool :)
[23:15] <Willdude123> I need something cool to read up on
[23:15] <Willdude123> hmm
[23:16] <Willdude123> The license stuff about remote gateways and operation in the amateur radio license is so confusing
[23:19] <mfa298> what about it is confusing?
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[23:20] <Willdude123> I generally just don't really understand it. From it I can gather that you can operate your own station only via a 500mw max radio link but it says nothing about operating other people's stations
[23:21] <mfa298> there's been some discussion about that in the litmus tests
[23:22] <mfa298> although in general I'm not sure how much control you get with remote control of other peoples stations.
[23:22] <Willdude123> It is usually just ptt and audio with something like echolink
[23:23] <Willdude123> But surely you'd be able to operate your own radio via the internet if you can operate other peoples
[23:24] <mfa298> I think the main point of echolink is for radio to radio but with an internet hop in the middle
[23:24] <mfa298> the connecting to a node via the internet application is more of an extra (that's my take anyway)
[23:25] <Willdude123> Well, it is sometimes, some people might have a NoV and be able to use it thusly
[23:25] <Willdude123> but most of the time it is IP-radio
[23:27] <Willdude123> ahah!
[23:27] <Willdude123> I may well have just found a use for my raspberry pi
[23:29] <Willdude123> I'm not quite sure how I'd send voice over my lan to it
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[23:32] <mfa298> how are you thinking of using the pi ?
[23:35] <mfa298> with echolink assuming you can use it as a foundation holder in computer -> radio mode I think you're probably limited to UK radios only.
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[23:36] <mfa298> using a radio in another country would probably require reciprocal licensing for which TR61/01 only applies to full (and still only some countries)
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[23:39] <Willdude123> mfa298 acoording to them you arent allowed to operate them at all at foundation
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[23:40] <Willdude123> i was more thinking of private remote control
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[23:40] <Willdude123> As it is going to be based next door, it would be a pain to keep going in and out
[23:41] <mfa298> for private remote control I think the license terms are fairly clear (internet is only allowed with the full license)
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> Oooh!
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> http://spacestationlive.nasa.gov/displays/spartanDisplay1.html
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> That is majorly col.
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> cool.
[23:43] <mfa298> remember there's various bits about ensuring the controlled radio operates safely so the intention is that with a low power amateur link you'll be close enough to deal with problems
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> http://spacestationlive.nasa.gov/displays/spartanDisplay2.html - showing the current pump issues.
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[23:44] <Lunar_Lander__> SpeedEvil, awesome!
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> Wow - they even have live CMG RPMs.
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> http://spacestationlive.nasa.gov/displays/adcoDisplay3.html
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander__> yea
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[23:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like 50$Sat has got stuck in its orbit .....
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