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[09:51] <cm13g09> mfa298: just saw your comments last night....
[09:51] <cm13g09> ah the joys of all these "features"
[09:52] <mfa298> they don't make life easy
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[10:10] <G8APZ> The captcha gets ever more unreadable...
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[10:12] <nats`> hi boyz
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[10:20] <DL1SGP2> salut nats`
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[10:21] <craag> Morning all
[10:23] <mfa298> morning craag and others.
[10:24] <mfa298> it's quiet here today.
[10:24] <craag> morning mfa298
[10:24] <mfa298> I'm guessing everyone is busy waiting for Steve to launch later on.
[10:25] <craag> I'm interested to see how the websdr does.
[10:26] <craag> ALthough the habamp is still winging it's way down from the north, so intermodulation isn't fixed.
[10:26] <mfa298> I ought to get the new dl-fldigi installed onto something that will run it to test it.
[10:28] <craag> Made some improvements to habmap btw
[10:28] <craag> Main feature missing is the 'parachute' icon for descending. I think I need to look at the spacenearus logic for calculating the flight status.
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[10:30] <mfa298> I did wonder if the images should be done as sprites rather than lots of seperate images - although probably doesn't make much difference with the amount of other files being loaded
[10:32] <craag> I was thinking about combining/minifying js, and other optimisations. But was going to leave that until most of the features were in, otherwise it's just a pain to debug.
[10:34] <craag> everything in the static/ folder has an expiration of 2 weeks, so subsequent loads should be quite quick.
[10:34] <craag> looking at it recently, slowest thing by far is the google maps api loading.
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[10:39] <mfa298> The cunning way of getting good caching and fast updates with file changes is to have the filename contain some sort of versioning (number/hash) then update the calling html to use the new name.
[10:41] <craag> Well the main js is inlined in index.html which is still not too cumbersome I think, and static only contains libs (jquery, moment, images, etc)
[10:41] <craag> A future improvement might be to have a js/ structure, and a post-checkout hook to combine them all, minify, and inline.
[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Morning all
[10:44] <db_g6gzh> I like the telemetry graphs craag
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[10:44] <craag> thanks db_g6gzh !
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> craag, is there any known problem on loading in FF ?
[10:45] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Not as far as I know..
[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm it used to be alright, but when the GM API changed I noticed then hat the main screen appears but no map ...
[10:46] <eroomde> so last night was awesome
[10:47] <eroomde> i made tarte tatin for friends for pudding
[10:47] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Which website?
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[10:47] <craag> eroomde: yummy!
[10:47] <craag> Ah Geoff-G8DHE not mine
[10:47] <eroomde> i took the pan out of the oven and put it on the grilltop, put the plate ontop, and then tried to turn it over
[10:47] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/
[10:47] <eroomde> except i forget the entire pan was 200C, so i grabbed the handle with my bare hand
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> AH right hang-on then I have your link elsewhere I thought it was yours FAIL
[10:48] <eroomde> nice 2nd degree burns on my hand now, palms and fingertips
[10:48] <craag> ouch!
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[10:48] <eroomde> thankfully one of the guests was a nurse so she flew into medic mode
[10:48] <db_g6gzh> craag: I'll use it to follow Steve's flight. Both snus and mt seem to occasionally refresh very slowly for me since the google api change and also block other FF tabs.
[10:48] <eroomde> but it's been a shitty 12 hours
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[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes, who's is the other one then ?
[10:49] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: I think thats lz1dev's
[10:49] <db_g6gzh> eroomde: ouch 8-(
[10:49] Action: mfa298 thinks craag is right there.
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> eroomde, Ouch!
[10:49] <cm13g09> ouch eroomde
[10:50] <craag> that must be sore this morning
[10:50] <mfa298> although I thought /mt was gmaps v3 so shouldn't be affected by the recent api change.
[10:50] <eroomde> craag: yes
[10:50] <eroomde> all a bit blistery and unpleasant
[10:50] <mfa298> eroomde: that doesn't sound too good.
[10:50] <eroomde> have just dressed it again and have taken ibufprofen and paracetamol
[10:50] <eroomde> and will hope for the best
[10:51] <eroomde> will have a stab at work typing away with my left hand
[10:51] <craag> You're typing quite fast for one hand!
[10:52] <eroomde> i have my right hand index finger too
[10:52] <eroomde> to hit enter
[10:54] <eroomde> here is a cool factoid
[10:54] <eroomde> the victorians did birdwatching by shooting the birds, then going up to see what it was
[10:54] <eroomde> the had a phrase among ornithological circles: 'If you hit, it's history, if you miss, it's a mystery'
[10:55] <craag> ha
[10:55] <db_g6gzh> mfa298: I hadn't used mt much before the API change, but it seems to suffer slow map refresh for me running FF (well, Iceweasel as it's Debian)
[10:56] <eroomde> db_g6gzh: how are you finding debian?
[10:56] <eroomde> i am thinking about jumping ship when ubuntu departs from relaity
[10:56] <eroomde> reality*
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[10:57] <db_g6gzh> I've used it for uears, but I don't use a 'conventional' desktop environment
[10:58] <db_g6gzh> I like simplicity, if I wanted clutter and bloat I could use Windows 8-)
[10:58] <eroomde> which desktop environm,ent do you use?
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[11:00] <db_g6gzh> I use http://dwm.suckless.org/ and some small files to make dmenu offer my frequently used programs
[11:00] <LeoBodnar> Victorians would have found no problems accepting quantum mechanics principles
[11:01] <LeoBodnar> Schroedinger cat et al
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[11:02] <eroomde> research would be much easier with a victorian ethics review committee, certainly
[11:02] <db_g6gzh> I'm usually at the cli except for things which actually need graphics
[11:02] <G8APZ> Is it a bird? Shoot it. Oh dear it's B-33!
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[11:02] <eroomde> 'we are sure of shroedingers result to within 1 in 10^13' says a man next to a huge mountaion of dead cats
[11:05] <LeoBodnar> I have problems accepting the fact that the number of cats in the universe is finite
[11:07] <fsphil> given an infinite universe, there must be infinite cats
[11:07] <g0azs> How do you know the universe is infinite?
[11:07] <LeoBodnar> We need to define a cat
[11:08] <fsphil> assume a spherical cat
[11:09] <LeoBodnar> Is cat DNA still a cat?
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[11:09] <fsphil> the DNA is the real lifeform, the cat is simply the method is uses to duplicate itself
[11:09] <db_g6gzh> this is very deep for only one mug of coffee into the week
[11:10] <g0azs> So what does a cat really look like then?
[11:10] <LeoBodnar> So DNA transcription is still a cat. DNA is just an information carrier like paper in a book
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[11:14] <G8APZ> Does DNA have whiskers? If not, it isn't a cat!
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[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is Steve flying today ? I don't see any docs or anything in the iCal ?
[11:20] <eroomde> last the list says seems to imply so
[11:20] <GMT> his msg said he was ... but nothing showing on Spacenear yet, but he did say it was an I'net black hole
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup but no docs which is strange for Steve
[11:20] <eroomde> he got one approves yeterday
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> I thought that as well!
[11:22] <mfa298> confirmed it doesn't seem to be in the list, I wonder if he got the wrong dates on it.
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing in the Docs after XABEN59
[11:23] <eroomde> oh well
[11:24] <eroomde> can do it the old fashioned way
[11:24] <eroomde> launch, have people post strings into irc, have other people give a damn-good reckon of the landing spot
[11:24] <eroomde> nothing like a damn good reckon, really
[11:24] <Darkside> haha
[11:25] <Darkside> we still do that, since the wind data is usually crap where we land
[11:25] <Darkside> well, we did do that, when were still launching
[11:25] <Darkside> :<
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[11:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Speakof the devil
[11:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> XABEN0
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[11:32] <mfa298> and I've not yet got the new dl-fldigi onto something that can run it to test for this flight - looks like the race is on!
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Get your FingerTips out then ;-)
[11:34] <mfa298> it's currently compiling for fedora, not going to manage getting the windows one to compile in time.
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[11:36] <db_g6gzh> There's a XABEN61 doc on habitat but it's for his original planned date and only seems to have 1 payload
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[11:39] <craag> habmap fixed for XABEN0, requires refresh.
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[11:42] <db_g6gzh> thanks craag, I was about to ask how to get it displayed.
[11:42] <cuddykid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9MK5ehVT3c - video from a launch a few months ago - man separated at altitude :)
[11:46] <craag> db_g6gzh: I added ascent rate calculation at about 2am this morning, and it threw an error when there wasn't a previous position to calculate from :P
[11:56] <G8APZ> Not surprised!
[11:56] <db_g6gzh> BTW I just tried it in a rather obscure webkit based browser ( http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/vimprobable/ ) and it draws the range circle and prediction with the wrong origin when I drag the map
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[11:57] <craag> db_g6gzh: Ah ok.. thanks. That'll be an upstream bug in the mapping lib. Does gmaps work in that browser?
[11:57] <Darkside> db_g6gzh: i thought th point of that browses was so you didn't hav to use the mouse :P
[11:57] <Darkside> wow i cannot type tonight
[11:58] <db_g6gzh> cursor keys work too 8-)
[11:59] <db_g6gzh> or rather, exhibit the same issue
[11:59] <Darkside> hhe
[11:59] <G8APZ> Xaben seems to be moving
[11:59] <db_g6gzh> let me check snus in it
[11:59] <Darkside> visual mode web browsing :P
[12:00] <db_g6gzh> If I start reporting problems with it not displaying in links you'll know I've lost it
[12:01] <craag> :|
[12:01] <G8APZ> only small insignificant change to end digits...:-(
[12:03] <db_g6gzh> snus in vimprobable kept panning back to sp3osj and has now frozen so can't check if the same issue is present
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[12:11] <db_g6gzh> snus in vimprobable doesn't have the origin issue but is very slow. It took me a while to get out of Poland 8-)
[12:12] <Darkside> same could b said for some other historical figures
[12:12] <craag> Is habmap more usable then, despite the origin bug?
[12:12] <craag> lol
[12:14] <db_g6gzh> yes, it looks like a scaling problem, it's OK with the payload in the centre, but moves further from centre than the payload if the map is panned
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[12:16] <db_g6gzh> actually, they're not aligned if I use 'pan to' so may not be the exact centre
[12:17] <craag> Ok, unfortunately it's an upstream bug, I can't justify putting time into fixing it right now :/
[12:18] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/pvIJ57a.jpg
[12:18] <db_g6gzh> That's fine craag, not expecting a fix, just wanted to let you know.
[12:19] <Darkside> Laurenceb: such doge. so orange. amaze.
[12:19] <Darkside> wow
[12:19] <craag> db_g6gzh: Thanks :)
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[12:21] <G8APZ> craag the circles drag OK in FF on XP
[12:21] <adamgreig> think they're ok here in chrome too
[12:21] <adamgreig> nice map
[12:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like a flight
[12:22] <G8APZ> Is it away?
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[12:23] <GMT> XABEN0 away
[12:23] <RocketBoy> she's away
[12:23] <G8APZ> Blimey!! Fast ascent!!
[12:23] <G8APZ> Leo should have it by now
[12:24] <db_g6gzh> Not sure if Leo can tune away from 434.5 8-)
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[12:25] <G8APZ> LOL!!
[12:25] <GMT> Leo must be going thru 'cold turkey' - he hasn't launched for over a week
[12:26] <craag> YAY decode on websdr
[12:26] <db_g6gzh> I expect he's working on something interesting
[12:26] <mfa298> craag: sdr has to be workign well
[12:27] <craag> mfa298: Already got a packet at 0-horizon :)
[12:27] <mfa298> I saw it appear, just waiting for it to appear here
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[12:29] <mfa298> got one starting to appear on the waterfall with the fcd++
[12:29] <mfa298> and I can hear the other on the ts2000 - Still working on the test dl-fldigi for that one
[12:30] <db_g6gzh> Oops, bug in jcoxon's latest dl-fldigi
[12:31] <db_g6gzh> double characters in the red/green bar
[12:31] <mfa298> db_g6gzh: what's the bug ?
[12:31] <db_g6gzh> which makes it red
[12:31] <craag> grr java corrupts the entire audio stream if it loses one audio packet
[12:32] <mfa298> that's going to be annoying.
[12:32] <mfa298> you're appearing on the map so hopefully it's at least uploading good data
[12:33] <craag> It's getting about every 1/10 packets
[12:33] <craag> It's v strong, just the intermittent intermodulation is killing everything else.
[12:33] <db_g6gzh> I switched back to release but will change again to confirm
[12:33] <mfa298> db_g6gzh: ah ok,
[12:34] <mfa298> just waiting for the updates to finish here then I can install the test dl-fldigi and see what happens here
[12:34] <G8APZ> Shift seems higher than 600 ... maybe 620
[12:34] <craag> G8APZ: I'm on 650 here
[12:35] <gonzo_> dial freq?
[12:35] <G0HDI> Just got in. What am I listening to/seeing on my waterfall on 434.250 guys please Baud etc?
[12:35] <craag> 434.245.3 here
[12:35] <gonzo_> ta
[12:36] <craag> G0HDI: 50 baud, 650hz shift, 7n1
[12:36] <G0HDI> Tnx!
[12:36] <G8APZ> yes, 650 is OK
[12:36] <craag> 26dB S/N :D haven't seen it that strong except when at a launch!
[12:38] <craag> wd8mnv: I see you're also on the websdr. We're hoping to fix the intermodulation later this week!
[12:38] <db_g6gzh> mfa298: switched back, got a screengrab, and now back on release
[12:38] <wd8mnv> k... not seeing a signal
[12:38] <craag> wd8mnv: Set dial to 434246.31
[12:39] <craag> then two tones are at 1400,2050hz in the waterfall
[12:40] <G8APZ> Heavy QSB on the sigs... +20dB/n to +10dB/n
[12:40] <mfa298> hrrm, I think I've got a dodgy connector somewhere. signal got a lot stronger when wobbling it :S
[12:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just on my waterfall but a lot of QSB
[12:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good Afternoon Guys - Waiting for XABEN0 signals here in Crayford
[12:42] <G8APZ> I make dial QRG 434.2484
[12:42] <gonzo_> I have a dial of 434.248 here now
[12:43] <gonzo_> snap
[12:43] <G8APZ> yes!
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[12:43] <G8APZ> Very weak sig now
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[12:45] <G0HDI> Seems loud enough, but only one trace on waterfall. Is that right? We are talking rtty here, are we?
[12:45] <G8APZ> yes RTTY put the loud trace on about 1500
[12:46] <G8APZ> the lower trace seems weaker
[12:46] <G0HDI> ok
[12:48] <db_g6gzh> mfa298: http://album.dbrooke.me.uk/dl-fldigi-bug.png
[12:49] <gonzo_> do we have a dial for hambal ?
[12:49] <gonzo_> hablab
[12:49] <mfa298> gonzo_: around .650
[12:49] <db_g6gzh> 434.651.5
[12:50] <G0HDI> Got two traces very loud now but on garbage decode?
[12:50] <gonzo_> rr ta
[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN61_20131209/
[12:50] <craag> G0HDI: 50 baud 7n1?
[12:50] <craag> G0HDI: Try the Rv button in bottom right as well.
[12:50] <mfa298> high tone on .6527 according to my fcd P+
[12:51] <G0HDI> 50 baud 650 shift I've got
[12:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Partial from XABEN0 here
[12:52] <mfa298> db_g6gzh: finally got the test version running here and seeing the same thing
[12:53] <gonzo_> I have an idle (hi) tone of 434.65216
[12:53] <gonzo_> but there may be a 20hz error in there that I have not yet solved
[12:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Green
[12:54] <mfa298> and looks like it's uploading that bad string to habitat.
[12:54] <db_g6gzh> mfa298: yes, it's uploading the doubled string - from tha logtail "Parsing [ascii] '$$XXAABBEENN00,,3355"
[12:54] <G8APZ> craag the circles have a cursor detect but does it do anything?
[12:54] <craag> G8APZ: No they do not.
[12:54] <craag> I'll add a TODO to give a description :)
[12:55] <G8APZ> OK!
[12:55] <G8APZ> Just feedback that's all!
[12:55] <craag> G8APZ: Much appreciated :)
[12:56] <G8APZ> I do like the green lines to receivers though - better than having to click on the balloon
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[12:58] <db_g6gzh> mfa298: the build on my laptop is between release and latest and is OK so I'll check what commit that is at once the flight is over
[13:01] <mfa298> I suppose the question is whether it's a bug from the merge with upstream fldigi or something else that was changed
[13:01] <G8APZ> I think the Chilterns are in the way of a good signal... will need better elevation to decode well
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[13:02] <Hix> I know it is sacrilege but anyone here have any knowledge on what . does in VB? ##vb.net is hopeless
[13:03] <ei3kd> what is freq for XABEN0 please?
[13:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.248.03 here
[13:03] <G8APZ> YaY!!!
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[13:04] <ei3kd> G8APZ ga Robin, I wouldn't get too excited :)
[13:04] <ei3kd> thanks Steve
[13:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> np
[13:04] <G8APZ> ei3kd 434.250MHz - 650Hz shift RTTY 7N1 (Main)
[13:04] <G8APZ> .2484 here
[13:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN61_20131209/index.php?ind=1
[13:05] <G0HDI> 434.249.3 Very loud. Cursors lined up. baud 50 650 shift. Still not decoding.. Weird!
[13:06] <eroomde> Rv?
[13:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> 7 bit not 8 bit ?
[13:06] <G8APZ> ei3kd Hi Mark... I must get a white stick! The folded dipole works but not as well as a colinear would!
[13:06] <wd8mnv> lsb instead of usb?
[13:07] <G8APZ> SQL off?
[13:07] <ei3kd> no active flight in dl-digi?
[13:07] <G8APZ> no use configure and modems
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> G0HDI, http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN61_20131209/settings.JPG
[13:08] <G8APZ> config, modems, rtty, custom
[13:08] <G0HDI> That did it 7 bit ...Didn't know about that *sigh*. OK now. Tnx Geoff
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> np
[13:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> HABLAB much weaker than XABEN0 here
[13:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Agreed
[13:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is Steve going to chase this one?
[13:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> craag, Why the limitation on zoom out when using the OS maps ?
[13:12] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: They don't go any further out :/
[13:12] <G8APZ> OS is UK only!
[13:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah there limitation!
[13:13] <mfa298> If we (I) can get the openspaces layer working there should be more zoom levels for OS maps
[13:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Signal picking up here now
[13:15] <G8APZ> coming into LoS here too
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[13:16] <LeoBodnar_> ADC
[13:17] <G8APZ> ei3kd there you go!!
[13:18] <JTJ> a good signal here in Montrose!
[13:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Swapped to HABLAB since it has less stations.
[13:19] <G8APZ> It will be a bit of a bummer if it pops over Brum!
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[13:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope going East now
[13:23] <G0HDI> Just got a green on HABLAB
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[13:23] <G8APZ> Me too - just as the green circle arrived on my icon!!
[13:23] <ei3kd> G8APZ using the remote IC7000 which has a 70cm white stick, audio via teamspeak -> VAC -> dl-fldigi!
[13:24] <G8APZ> ei3kd where there is a way!!
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[13:32] <G8APZ> craag I notice the receivers list gets very short then goes back to full list, but green lines stay....
[13:34] <mfa298> G8APZ: I suspect it's due to how the data comes from spacenear.us, if a couple of recievers are behind the others they appear as a new data line.
[13:35] <craag> G8APZ: Yeah infobox only displays the latest row, we'll fix that (and the NaN that is also caused by the redundant row as mfa298 says)
[13:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Gotta nip out for a short while - Will leave tracking going - BBS
[13:35] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ -> Steve_G0TDJ_AFK
[13:35] <mfa298> there's a few interesting things as to how the api on spacenear.us works for getting data out.
[13:35] <adamgreig> "interesting"
[13:36] <G8APZ> craag It's very functional though
[13:36] <craag> one way to describe it :P
[13:36] <craag> G8APZ: That was the idea.. got fed up of how long spacenearus took to load on my tablet, and with a potential launch for the uni club coming up (since postponed), decided to fix it.
[13:37] <mfa298> "interesting" in that it's different to what some people would like, although no doubt that's due to be being organic and I assume not really designed as a public api.
[13:37] <adamgreig> not really designed :P
[13:37] <adamgreig> or designed as an API
[13:38] <mfa298> still, it's easy enough to parse with perl :D
[13:39] <adamgreig> D:
[13:40] <ei3kd> nice strong signal at the south-coast web sdr http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
[13:47] <G8APZ> ei3kd there is a lot of inband crap on that WebSDR!
[13:47] <ei3kd> G8APZ there is and they know it - there's a comment at the top saying they're awaiting PMR filters
[13:48] <G8APZ> yes... I see it
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[13:49] <G0HDI> HABLAB gone weak on me, back to XANENO
[13:50] <craag> G8APZ: I set up the websdr.. and yes the business radio repeater at aldermaston is killing it.
[13:50] <craag> But I have a habamp on it's way!
[13:50] <Darkside> woo
[13:51] <craag> Which I'm going to have to mod because it has a max 10V input
[13:51] Action: craag looks a Darkside
[13:51] <craag> *at
[13:51] <Darkside> hrm
[13:51] <craag> :P
[13:51] <Darkside> i thought that regulator went highr than that
[13:51] <gonzo_> that;s a fair way away
[13:51] <gonzo_> (aldermaston)
[13:52] <UpuWork> nah its just 10v
[13:52] <Darkside> TPS76633?
[13:52] <Darkside> huh
[13:52] <mfa298> the site the websdr is on is pretty decent for radio.
[13:52] <craag> gonzo_: LOS from the websdr site.
[13:52] <eroomde> 10V is well tedious
[13:52] <eroomde> sufficiently close to 12V but not actually 12V
[13:52] <Darkside> maybe we should rplace that..
[13:52] <UpuWork> yeah going too
[13:52] <eroomde> whereas loads of ham stuff runs on 12V
[13:53] <UpuWork> oh
[13:53] <UpuWork> hang on
[13:53] <gonzo_> that's a good site then
[13:53] <eroomde> 12/13.8/
[13:53] <UpuWork> 10V is recommended
[13:53] <Darkside> huh if its a TPS76633 it can handle 13.5v in
[13:53] <UpuWork> absolute is 13.5V
[13:53] <UpuWork> would you use it in a car ?
[13:53] <Darkside> still too low
[13:53] <UpuWork> yep
[13:53] <eroomde> diode
[13:53] <UpuWork> I'll sort it out
[13:53] <Darkside> i have another regulator which will work well
[13:53] <eroomde> s
[13:53] <UpuWork> if its pin for pin
[13:53] <UpuWork> I would love you long time
[13:53] <Darkside> theres a good one i've been using recently which handles 25v rverse
[13:53] <Darkside> ah
[13:54] <Darkside> mayb not :P
[13:54] <mfa298> for car use you probably want max around 15V
[13:54] <eroomde> the problem with using it in a car is not actually voltage, more that the car's power line will be noisy as all hell
[13:54] <Darkside> LM2940
[13:54] <gonzo_> plus the spikes that you will get on a car
[13:54] <Darkside> up to 25v in, and it has reverse voltage protection
[13:55] <gonzo_> doing automotive stuff we would design for 50V
[13:55] <Darkside> this isnt really for automotive use >_>
[13:55] <eroomde> it is if people are wanting to use it on a chase car
[13:55] <craag> Yeah I was mainly thinking for shack use at 13.8V
[13:55] <eroomde> which seems like an obvious use case, to me
[13:56] <Darkside> looks lik th LM2940 will handle that anyway
[13:56] <Darkside> at least for a few hundred millisconds >_>
[13:57] <eroomde> if you put some decent inline LC filtering too, then that should squash stuff
[13:57] <Darkside> and it'll handle -30v rverse
[13:57] <Darkside> tbh in a chase car situation, we havent found preamps to be that useful
[13:58] <Darkside> since you're usually close enough for it to not matter
[13:58] <craag> gonzo_: Yes, fantastic site, too good for the rtl-sdr to cope with on it's own!
[13:58] <Darkside> hrm
[13:58] <Darkside> craag: have you ordered the habamp yet
[13:59] <Darkside> or UpuWork have you shippd it yet
[13:59] <craag> Darkside: I've ordered it and it went to 'complete' this morning..
[13:59] <Darkside> because given the co-sited beacon, i'd b inclined to use a habamp with the SAW filter first in the chain
[13:59] <Darkside> craag: how far away is the beacon
[14:00] <craag> Ah the co-sited beacon is in band, nothing we can do about that.
[14:00] <Darkside> ah
[14:00] <craag> The constant intermod is from one a few miles way.
[14:00] <Darkside> id just be concerned about either blowing the SAW filter or the MMIC
[14:01] <G8APZ> Time for Leo to wave at XABEN
[14:01] <craag> The co-sited beacon is a good 4m further up the mast, and only 5W.
[14:01] <Darkside> hrmm
[14:01] <craag> idents every 10 minutes for about 6 seconds
[14:01] <Darkside> can you borrow a spec-an to look at th received power on your antnna?
[14:02] <Darkside> if its <-20dBm you should be ok
[14:02] <Darkside> at 4m i think you'll be fine, but it wouldnt hurt to be sure
[14:02] <craag> We've got SPF pre-amps and other stuff connected up no issue.
[14:03] <Darkside> well the SPF preamp is hookd up to a 1.2GHz antenna
[14:03] <gonzo_> saw filters are quite lossy though. And a mmic with a good dynamic range shoudl cope?
[14:03] <Darkside> which looks highly tuned
[14:03] <craag> Darkside: THere's one on the 70cm dipole too.
[14:03] <Darkside> ek
[14:03] <Darkside> ok
[14:03] <gonzo_> (and if the ar beacon is in band, it will go through the filter anyway, so would not matter if you put it behind the lna
[14:03] <Darkside> its more that the SAW filter is rated for +10dbm in
[14:04] <Darkside> so more than -10dBm into the MMIC and you're breaching that rating
[14:04] <craag> I see..
[14:04] <craag> I will consult our RF expert (who runs the shed up there)
[14:04] <craag> Thanks for the heads up!
[14:05] <db_g6gzh> How far away frequency wise is the beacon ?
[14:05] <craag> db_g6gzh: The inband one, it's at 433.300 iirc, which is inband.
[14:05] <Darkside> around here we'd just drop a cavity notch filter in lin :P
[14:05] <Darkside> line*
[14:05] <Darkside> but we have a shed full of cavitis atm
[14:05] <G8APZ> shift is now nearer 630 on .2486
[14:05] <craag> Yeah... we don't have a shed full of em
[14:05] <db_g6gzh> I was just thinking, I have some UHF notch duplexers, but that's probably a bit close
[14:06] <craag> Any chance you could run us one over? ;)
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[14:06] <gonzo_> what's the max saturated o/p of the mmic?
[14:06] <G8APZ> Phillup Mc Cavity
[14:06] <Darkside> craag: if you pay for shipping maybe :P
[14:06] <ei3kd> nice altitude
[14:07] <G8APZ> ei3kd damn loud here!
[14:07] <Darkside> craag: serious about that one actually
[14:07] <Darkside> i might be able to get one tuned
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[14:07] <ei3kd> G8APZ good s/n here, but 90% of lines drop 1 or 2 characters
[14:08] <craag> Darkside: Ok.. we'll look into it! It would definetely be nice to not have the whole band wiped out every now and then :P
[14:08] <craag> THanks!
[14:08] <Darkside> ill ask around and see whats availabl
[14:09] <Darkside> what freq is the beacon again?
[14:09] <db_g6gzh> 14:05 < craag> db_g6gzh: The inband one, it's at 433.300 iirc, which is inband.
[14:10] <Darkside> mmk
[14:10] <db_g6gzh> though I'd have thought that was a repeater output freq
[14:11] <mfa298> db_g6gzh: it is
[14:11] <craag> db_g6gzh: Yep, it's a barely used repeater.
[14:11] <db_g6gzh> used to be RTTY/data in my day IIRC 8-)
[14:12] <Darkside> thats repeater input here :P
[14:12] <db_g6gzh> ah OK
[14:12] <Darkside> well, it used to be
[14:12] <mfa298> looking it up op is 433.3250
[14:12] <Darkside> now its ISM band, and all the repeaters have moved >434.5MHz
[14:12] <craag> Ah 433.325 in fact
[14:12] <Darkside> 433.325MHz
[14:12] <Darkside> k
[14:12] <ei3kd> >100,000 feet
[14:12] <Darkside> sending an emial to my club now
[14:13] <craag> Darkside: I've passed all that info on to the RF guy (Noel G8GTZ), he'll know the answers :)
[14:13] <mfa298> hoping I looked up the right repeater this time (it said basingstoke this time)
[14:13] <craag> mfa298: GB3ET, yes basingstoke
[14:13] <G8APZ> ei3kd Over 42dB/n here!!
[14:13] <Darkside> craag: whats the link to the websdr again
[14:14] <craag> Darkside: http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
[14:14] <mfa298> I think I tried looking up GB3AT first the other day and got something in east anglia
[14:16] <ei3kd> 110,000 feet :)
[14:19] <craag> bursty ?
[14:19] <db_g6gzh> sounding bursty
[14:19] <ei3kd> yep
[14:19] <G8APZ> dropping like a stone!
[14:20] <G8APZ> I may have a screen grab of the sigs on burst ... will check later!
[14:20] <mfa298> G8APZ: not much air up there to slow it down
[14:20] <Darkside> craag: should know something about this by tomorrow
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[14:21] <Darkside> will keep you informed
[14:21] <gonzo_> probably faster than a stone
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[14:21] <G8APZ> ei3kd that's some altitude!!
[14:21] <ei3kd> without air resistance, at exactly the same speed as a stone ;)
[14:23] <mfa298> hmmm, potential for lots of water at the landing site looking at the predictions
[14:24] <mfa298> also heading towards a St Ives.
[14:25] <ei3kd> starting to lose signals here now
[14:26] <db_g6gzh> lots of gravel works, now flooded, there
[14:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN61_20131209/index.php?ind=7
[14:26] <ei3kd> is someone chasing?
[14:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not visibily, but I suspect Steve is!
[14:28] <G8APZ> He'll be some way behind!!
[14:28] <db_g6gzh> At least it's not far off his way home.
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> You know at the current rate he could land at his Elsworth Launch site! http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN61_20131209/Landing_at_Elsworth.jpg
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[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh no he's turned North
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[14:36] <ei3kd> at least there are several close receivers
[14:38] <G8APZ> ei3kd I still have +25dB/n but not sure for how long!
[14:38] <ei3kd> still falling quite quickly?
[14:40] <ei3kd> slowing up now it's getting into denser air
[14:42] <G8APZ> spacing 610 now
[14:43] <db_g6gzh> Geoff-G8DHE: I switched on my HAB magnet 8-)
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mine's just faded away :-(
[14:44] <G8APZ> Oh bugger... it's turning east!
[14:44] <chrisg7ogx> last one for me was #791 on white stick
[14:44] <mfa298> db_g6gzh: I was just going to stick a note in the issue tracker for that dl-fldigi bug, what distro are you on (of if you're on github do you want to add details yourself)
[14:44] <G8APZ> 805 currently
[14:45] <db_g6gzh> mfa298: I'll add to it on github if you like
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[14:46] <G8APZ> lost it on 808
[14:47] <mfa298> db_g6gzh: I've created the issue at https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/issues/20
[14:47] <G8APZ> safely over the Ouse
[14:47] <db_g6gzh> I used to live in Over, just to its East
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[14:49] <G8APZ> Over Over...that trips off the tongue!
[14:49] <db_g6gzh> mfa298: thanks, I'll put more info on there a bit later
[14:49] <mfa298> I might try with my payload and see what happens in a bit (I've let xaben come down first as it's also on .650)
[14:50] <mfa298> I can also test Domino and rtty and see if they both fail/work etc.
[14:51] <db_g6gzh> OK, still tracking XABEN but it's fairly low now
[14:54] <db_g6gzh> and gone
[14:54] <G8APZ> It must be down...
[14:54] <mfa298> down to 110m that's not bad
[14:55] <ei3kd> lloks like a farm ,thankfully
[14:55] <ei3kd> looks
[14:55] <db_g6gzh> mfa298: it's pretty flat land out here
[14:55] <G8APZ> could be a golf club!!
[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN61_20131209/Last_Telemetry_Rx.jpg
[14:56] <ei3kd> golf club wouldn't be happy with all that sown crop Robin :)
[14:56] <G8APZ> Sat view shows ploughed field
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[14:56] <G8APZ> ei3kd yes, you are right!
[14:56] <mfa298> looks like it might be a fairly decent recovery location
[14:56] <db_g6gzh> as long as it's not in the ditch
[14:56] <ei3kd> it'll have landed right in that line of trees :p
[14:57] <G8APZ> or in that housing estate!
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[14:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN61_20131209/index.php?ind=5
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[14:58] <ei3kd> never like seeing 11Kv that close...
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[15:01] <G8APZ> looks like KHW is nearby....
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[15:05] <wd8mnv> =2M... it's sinking now
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[15:16] <UpuWork> did Xaben0 land in a hole ?
[15:17] <gonzo_> or it was a bloody hard landing!
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[15:17] <LazyLeopard> Nah, its just the Fens. ;)
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[15:19] <LazyLeopard> More than half a chance the nearest contour's at sea level...
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[15:20] <Hix> Anyone in London this afternoon? Got a ticket fro the Infinite Monkey Cage - Can't go, if anyone wants it ping me
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[15:21] <wd8mnv> gopher got it
[15:22] <eroomde> eagle is being annoying
[15:22] <eroomde> i want to run a quiet ground trace through a noisy ground pour
[15:22] <eroomde> but the pour just rebsorbs the trace
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[15:23] <eroomde> without renaming the grounds and connecting them together somewher else with a random component like a 1ohmR, which i don't want to do, i can't see how to make it isolate from this specific ground trace
[15:23] <db_g6gzh> xaben info boxes seem to have gone on craag's map, maybe it doesn't like -ve altitude
[15:24] <LeoBodnar__> eroomde: draw cuts with tRestrict
[15:24] <eroomde> yes, i have gone down that route
[15:24] <eroomde> of a separate polygone to part the red sea
[15:25] <adamgreig> try using kicad. you can just draw exclusions to pours.
[15:25] <adamgreig> :P
[15:25] <LeoBodnar__> Eagle is for those who believe suffering is good for you
[15:26] <eroomde> like vegetarianism
[15:27] <craag> db_g6gzh: I wonder how this is performing: Math.sqrt(12.756*row.gps_alt)
[15:27] <craag> :P
[15:28] <craag> ^^ Crashing it. Hard.
[15:29] <G8APZ> sqrt zero always catches you by the goolies
[15:29] <craag> habmap is fixed, refresh. db_g6gzh
[15:29] <eroomde> everyone should watch this all the way through
[15:29] <eroomde> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBhPsyYCiM
[15:30] <craag> G8APZ: sqrt(-x) is even worse :P
[15:31] <G8APZ> yes!
[15:32] <G8APZ> Laughs at "miniaturised computer"
[15:32] <db_g6gzh> craag: all good again, seems to be a day for finding (and fixing) bugs in stuff
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[15:41] <LeoBodnar__> TLV320AIC3204 has an output pin called LOL
[15:41] <ike> WOW!
[15:41] <gonzo_> a designer with a sense of humor
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[15:45] <db_g6gzh> a bit like the EIEIO instruction for PowerPC
[15:49] <LeoBodnar__> There was a FORTRAN preprocessor called MORTRAN
[15:49] <gonzo_> our software used to have 4letter description codes, each denoting an option that was built in. Some new type on each option would need another letter.
[15:49] <mfa298> db_g6gzh: annoyingly that dl-fldigi bug doesn't seem to appear with DominoEX and I can't test my rtty payload 600bd rtty isn't in the options anymore
[15:50] <LeoBodnar__> I can see where it's going gonzo_
[15:50] <gonzo_> the boss then asks silly questions why I chose F, C and U for some options....
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[15:50] <gonzo_> shame that the combinations that were fun never actually came up
[15:51] <RocketBoy_S2> yo guys - just to say i got it back - another muddy field gives up a payload
[15:51] <zyp> bad planning
[15:52] <gonzo_> one place I was at they had the whole of the qa docs with contrived acronyms, to make words. Apart from the rude ones, they had normal padding words. So you could then arrange the manuals on the shelf to make sentebnces
[15:53] <gonzo_> good news steve. No power lines !!
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[15:54] <db_g6gzh> RocketBoy_S2: good to hear, it looked a reasonable location from the maps
[15:54] <db_g6gzh> mfa298: ah, that's not good, I never looked for 600 baud
[15:56] <mfa298> I hadn't looked for it either.
[15:56] <mfa298> just recompiled a non crashing version of my code to 300baud to see what happens.
[15:58] <db_g6gzh> one radio product I worked on we added a trace variable for debugging and called it fred as it's easy type, it got left in the production code as it was so useful but technical documentation wanted to know what it stood for
[15:58] <db_g6gzh> Field Radio Engineering Diagnostics
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[16:04] <G4MYS_Andy> $$$BEARD copy no problem = but does not show on map de Andy
[16:06] <es5nhc> Sure you're not in offline mode?
[16:07] <G4MYS_Andy> BEARD gone QRT
[16:07] <G4MYS_Andy> BEARD QRO
[16:08] <mfa298> G4MYS_Andy: that's my testing up the road
[16:08] <G4MYS_Andy> well not strong but its 100pc copy congrats
[16:09] <mfa298> currently it looks like it hasn't got a lock so probably won't appear.
[16:10] <eroomde> a ham callsign is 'BEARD'?
[16:10] <eroomde> an unusual display of self-awareness
[16:11] <mfa298> I think it will only appear if the last field is 0x001 (I can't remember what my code does now for that bit)
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[16:11] <mfa298> eroomde: it's a raspberry pi doing DominoEX so reference is from the wiki about needing a beard and sandals to do such crazy stuff.
[16:12] <mfa298> it's also bit banging rtty from the pi called sandals.
[16:14] <G4MYS_Andy> is ant windows 8 great other machine in middle of fit I hate windows 8
[16:14] <eroomde> mfa298: nice
[16:14] <eroomde> G4MYS_Andy: i've heard lots of people with that senstiment
[16:14] <eroomde> maybe join the linux road to enlightenment :)
[16:15] <mfa298> currently dl-fldigi on windows 8 is doing better than the new version on dl-fldigi on linux.
[16:16] <mfa298> G4MYS_Andy: payload antennas are currently a quick sleve dipole made out of rg174 and indoors although I think the wall is fairly thin and it's at a good height.
[16:17] <mfa298> maybe I should try moving the payload down a bit, I might find the gps signal goes through the wall better than the double glazing
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[16:20] <gonzo_> lots of glasing units have a metalised coating, that is pretty RF proof
[16:20] <gonzo_> glazing
[16:21] <G4MYS_Andy> Ummm GPS seems to work indoors sometimes give it a go you never know!
[16:21] <mfa298> I think I added more interference as well when I moved from things on a breadboard onto pcb mounted above the pi.
[16:22] <gonzo_> I've done similar sleve dipoles. On pico, tied up to the balloon cord. The idea being, if the thing comes down with gas in, the any will be bove the ground
[16:22] <G8APZ> I have a screenshot of the burst moment, which I think was at 14:18:43
[16:22] <G4MYS_Andy> interested in the sleeve antenna tried then on 174 radio mic long time ago the measurements dont seem to comply with normal thought
[16:23] <mfa298> these were just done quickly so probably not that good. I just wanted something that would put a bit of RF out.
[16:27] <G4MYS_Andy> Windows 8 has had its fit and map shows the data!
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[16:28] <G4MYS_Andy> so what freq SANDELS is on?
[16:28] <mfa298> it looks like it got a lock briefly so the data got put on the map
[16:28] <mfa298> it's around .650
[16:30] <G4MYS_Andy> if youd like to hang it out of the window might be able to monitor dual freq!!!
[16:33] <mfa298> I've just poked them through the window although that might mean doesn't get much gps lock.
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[16:33] <G4MYS_Andy> sig seekms stronger getting red on screen
[16:34] <mfa298> well I think that count's as a range test, just need to get the rest of the code finished
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[16:37] <mfa298> it should be 300bd 7n2 for the rtty
[16:40] <G4MYS_Andy> cant seem to locate SANDELS
[16:42] <mfa298> I'm on 434.649 for it.
[16:42] <eroomde> if someone introduces you to the Baader-Meinhoff phonomenon and then the next day you get the baader-meinhoff phenomenon from someone talking about the baader-meinhoff phenomenon, is there a name for that?
[16:43] <eroomde> baader**2?
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[16:45] <G4MYS_Andy> ill try with other rig see if that can sniiff the SANDELS out !!!
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[16:46] <mfa298> I've put it outside the window properly now which has made it a bit drifty (no insulation at the moment on the ntx2)
[16:47] <G4MYS_Andy> Answer seems no Ill track522ish with both rigs/ machines to look for radio drift!
[16:47] <mfa298> three totally seperate receivers for a testing payload, that's got to be doing pretty well :D
[16:48] <mfa298> and I'd only turned it on for testing the newer dl-fldigi build
[16:49] <G4MYS_Andy> well that what happens when some nosy radio ham sniff about ! HI I am on S20 by the way
[16:49] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_AFK -> Steve_G0TDJ
[16:50] <G4MYS_Andy> gone to get diner out of over / cat!
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[17:19] <G4MYS_Andy> BEARD noted QRT
[17:20] <mfa298> G4MYS_Andy: sorry, I killed it. Was starting to get a bit chilly with the window open and I'd stopped with that bit of issue solving
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[17:21] <G4MYS_Andy> no oproblem many thanks for running it Ive linked in my naff 10db preamp driving the 3db splitter was going to look for SANDELS but this is your toy an d Iappciate a steady signal to experiment on!
[17:23] <G4MYS_Andy> Think I need to capitulate and get a HAB amp!
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[17:45] <Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/91070/1386433781/munchscreamrobbie.jpg
[17:47] Action: SpeedEvil imagines an ice-cream shop.
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[18:00] Action: x-f yesterday had a bit different regular 45km bikeride - http://imgur.com/a/TUggO
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[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:21] <eroomde> cool, so willdude is back
[18:21] <Willdude> Sorry
[18:21] <eroomde> how i had missed his shitty internet connection
[18:21] <Willdude> I am assuming that is sarcasm.
[18:22] <Willdude> I am very sorry, I will leave until it sorts itself out
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[18:22] <eroomde> that was quick!
[18:23] <mfa298> Willdude123: you just need to run your IRC client somewhere with a stable internet connection problems solved
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[18:26] <craag> Willdude123_: Grab an amazon account, so you can get then get a basic VPS free with them for a while I believe.
[18:26] <arko> bouncerz
[18:27] <Willdude123_> how long?
[18:27] <arko> 5
[18:27] <craag> not sure, google 'amazon ec2 free usage tier
[18:28] <craag> '
[18:28] <Willdude123_> Oh ok
[18:28] <Willdude123_> Will do
[18:28] <mfa298> don't you already have a vps - you could run irssi on that.
[18:28] <arko> i really like znc
[18:28] <Willdude123_> I do, I may as well have a seperate VPS if it's free though
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[18:30] <craag> ah, if you already have one then use that
[18:31] <Willdude123_> OK
[18:31] <Willdude123_> with ZNC or irssi?
[18:31] <craag> Looks like you need a credit card for the amazon account, forgot about that.
[18:31] <Willdude123_> I have a debit one
[18:31] <craag> I'd suggest irssi, but never tried znc.
[18:32] <mfa298> may depend on how you want to run it.
[18:32] <mfa298> irssi you'de need to run with screen/tmux
[18:32] <mfa298> not sure how znc works
[18:32] <craag> ah it's a bouncer
[18:32] <craag> maybe znc would suit you them
[18:33] <craag> *then
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[18:33] <Willdude123> Wow, downloading an SSH client that does it doing to take me 11 mins (7MB file)
[18:34] <mfa298> for ssh client just get putty.
[18:35] <Willdude123> But it's a pain to reconnect every single time my internet dies
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[18:36] <mfa298> you may be able to tune the ssh settings to cope with breif drops in connectivity
[18:36] <mfa298> unless the external ip address on your router is changing each time.
[18:36] <mfa298> I've had ssh sessions survive several hours of no connectivity in the past
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[18:39] <cm13g09> mfa298: I think you may be able to get MOSH on Windows....
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[18:42] <craag> cm13g09: not without cygwin iirc..
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[18:47] <cm13g09> craag: ah ok
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[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> wb DL1SGP1
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[21:04] <DL1SGP1> danke Lunar_Lander
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> gerne
[21:04] <DL1SGP1> :D
[21:04] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
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[21:12] <fsphil> Monday nearly over. yay
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:20] <LeoBodnar_> wishing your life away? :P
[21:21] <fsphil> actually no, got lots done today. just soooo long a day
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[21:23] <Willdude> .np
[21:23] <fsphil> of course
[21:23] <Willdude> Wrong channel
[21:23] <LeoBodnar_> indeed, Monday has a different time scale to it
[21:23] <LeoBodnar_> of course
[21:23] <fsphil> correct
[21:24] <fsphil> Tuesday is the worst day of the week though
[21:24] <arko> http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57614255-76/this-crime-predicting-robot-aims-to-patrol-our-streets-by-2015/
[21:24] <arko> woah cool we're getting daleks!
[21:24] <LeoBodnar_> unless it's a public holiday
[21:25] <fsphil> that didn't end well for the last planet to have them
[21:25] <fsphil> the guy who invented them doesn't happen to be in a wheelchair?
[21:25] <arko> funny you say that...
[21:25] <chrisstubbs> adobe are getting more sneaky, just found myself unintentionally installing some terrible mcafee software with the lastest flash update
[21:26] <fsphil> two crap programs for the price of one
[21:26] <chrisstubbs> lol
[21:26] <fsphil> I reinstalled my work machine today, have so far avoided flash
[21:26] <fsphil> youtube is quite happly working
[21:27] <fsphil> not that I do that much at work ....
[21:27] <bertrik> seeing that robot makes me get the urge to kick it and tip it over
[21:27] <fsphil> bah
[21:27] <fsphil> figure out how to control them!
[21:27] <arko> exactly!
[21:28] <fsphil> instant army
[21:28] <arko> pop the wifi password
[21:28] <arko> go to town
[21:28] <arko> just a few fpgas and some time
[21:28] <fsphil> they've bound to have an evil mode
[21:28] <fsphil> all robots do
[21:28] <arko> hahaha
[21:28] <arko> evil_mode_flag = 1;
[21:28] <bertrik> EXTERMINATE!
[21:28] <arko> there it is!
[21:28] <arko> you know what
[21:29] <arko> screw that, i'd make it cook and clean for me
[21:29] <arko> taking over the world is so boring
[21:29] <arko> once you have the world it will be like.. now what?
[21:29] <fsphil> yea, what would you do with it
[21:29] <arko> exactly
[21:29] <fsphil> take over Mars too?
[21:29] <arko> thats too much responsibility
[21:29] <arko> and work
[21:29] <arko> not worth it
[21:29] <fsphil> better to control the world from behind the scenes
[21:30] <arko> also profitable
[21:33] <LeoBodnar_> make them bring payloads back
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[21:34] <bertrik> "go fetch!"
[21:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just right for some graffiti to be sprayed on
[21:37] <arko> LeoBodnar: lol
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[22:01] <ike> LeoBodnar_ if your payloads is a drone, it can fly itslef home
[22:06] Action: SpeedEvil has advocated in the past a database of post-office-box locations, and a small controllable payload that can fly in preaddressed.
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[23:00] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: yeah thats what that amazon thing made me think
[23:00] <Laurenceb_> some kind of post box type thing it lands on and securely deposits box
[23:01] <Laurenceb_> then custom retrieves later using ID
[23:02] <cm13g09> Early night foiled by Windows Update.....
[23:03] <cm13g09> all 117 of them....
[23:03] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, pull the cord
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[23:03] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: if only it was that simple....
[23:03] <cm13g09> it's a laptop....
[23:03] <fsphil> https://twitter.com/kingstontech/status/410094747642896384/photo/1/large
[23:04] <arko> mmm
[23:04] <arko> the only problem i have with that is when the update breaks things :/
[23:04] <fsphil> yea
[23:04] <arko> otherwise i luld
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[23:04] <cm13g09> yeah - like the scroll wheel bug in Ubuntu :P
[23:05] <fsphil> I've had updates break things on both linux and windows
[23:05] <cm13g09> I invite people to read https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1171342 and laugh
[23:05] <arko> yeah totally
[23:05] <arko> and no one gets anything serious done on a mac
[23:05] <arko> so that covers all the bases
[23:06] <fsphil> my mac is currently acting as a tray for a few memory cards and a box of resistors
[23:07] <cm13g09> lol
[23:07] <arko> thats pretty useful
[23:07] <cm13g09> I should add that the gedit/scroll wheel bug is quite special...
[23:07] <fsphil> indeed. though my windows PC is holding a soldering iron and some remote controls
[23:08] <fsphil> I have too many computers
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[23:08] <cm13g09> because it's ended up with Ubuntu blaming GTK, who in turn are pointing the finger at Xorg....
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[23:20] <wd8mnv> my Spark Core is here : )
[23:20] <fsphil> oooh wassat?
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[23:21] <wd8mnv> wifi connected Arm chip (arduino compatable)
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[23:21] <wd8mnv> was a Kickstarter
[23:23] <wd8mnv> https://www.spark.io/
[23:26] <fsphil> neat
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> arko, are you on?
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[23:27] <fsphil> Programmed wirelessly (through Spark Cloud)
[23:28] <fsphil> ^ don't like that
[23:28] <fsphil> can it be done direct?
[23:28] <nats`> someone already tried new Casio calculator ?
[23:28] <nats`> like the CP400 ?
[23:38] <Laurenceb_> http://drop-kicker.com/
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