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[07:57] <jarod> Anything planned today in .nl? :)
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[08:10] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
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[08:55] <x-f> good morning
[08:55] <x-f> at least one launch this weekend :) good luck, SP3OSJ!
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[09:18] <jcoxon> cleared the tracker a little to make it easier to use
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[10:06] <jcoxon> anyone here compile dl-fldigi from source?
[10:06] <jcoxon> fancy testing the lastest version?
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[10:13] <cm13g09> jcoxon: I have done in the past
[10:13] <cm13g09> and probably will do when I get around to it
[10:13] <cm13g09> (I reinstalled my desktop the other week, still keep finding things missing...)
[10:13] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:13] <jcoxon> well my github has the latest version - would appreciate people testing it as hopefully we'll use it as a stable release eventually
[10:14] <cm13g09> the best one was when I typed "make" in a project folder...
[10:14] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi
[10:14] <cm13g09> to be greeted by a whole bunch of "gcc: command not founds"
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[10:14] <cm13g09> cheers jcoxon
[10:14] <cm13g09> will see if I can get anything through to it....
[10:14] <cm13g09> (remember, I'm a PulseAudio sufferer!)
[10:15] <Darkside> vk4hia: hey Brendon
[10:15] <Darkside> vk4hia: mark here, vk5qi
[10:15] <jcoxon> remember you'll need to do git submodule init and git submodule update before you start the compiler
[10:15] <vk4hia> Gday Mark
[10:15] <cm13g09> yep ;)
[10:20] <vk4hia> When is the next proj Horus launch Mark?
[10:20] <darkstar-2001> jcoxon: Are you interested in merging in my changes to dl-fldigi which allow it to read from a pipe/FIFO and allow the user to avoid the pulseaudio nightmare (from gnuradio scripts at least)?
[10:21] <Darkside> vk4hia: not sur at th momnt, probably early next year
[10:21] <Darkside> everyone is just too busy atm
[10:21] <vk4hia> OK
[10:21] <Darkside> im hoping to do another pico floater soon enough
[10:21] <vk4hia> We are still sorting telemetry here..
[10:22] <Darkside> i'd get CASA Approval before going too far...
[10:22] <Darkside> no point doing all the work if you don't gt approval to launch
[10:23] <jcoxon> darkstar-2001, I am, i wanted to get to a stable fldigi build before i added some extras
[10:23] <jcoxon> is it ready for use?
[10:23] <vk4hia> Yes, still dealing with them... The Eastern Region office have not dealt with this before. Its all in CASR pt 101 so should be good
[10:23] <Darkside> vk4hia: mmm
[10:24] <Darkside> so you're just going with APRS?
[10:24] <darkstar-2001> OK, I'll rebase (or whatever the correct term is!) to your current version and do some more testing (it would help if there were some launches!).
[10:25] <vk4hia> Yes, I have a byonic aio here, now lookg at a arduino tx as well so we ca upload telemetry via dl-fldigi
[10:25] <Darkside> cool
[10:25] <Darkside> good move
[10:25] <darkstar-2001> but I have no way to test on windows.
[10:25] <Darkside> the UKHAS telemetry system works well, its our primary tracking system
[10:25] <jcoxon> darkstar-2001, being based on fldigi you could listen out for any telemetry - not just hab :-D
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[10:26] <jcoxon> darkstar-2001, maybe we can find someone else who would be interested in it to test
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[10:27] <darkstar-2001> True, was going to try eagle-2 in an hour or two. Not much other traffic around here!....
[10:28] <jcoxon> make some :-)
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[10:31] <darkstar-2001> I have 5 rx'ers, 0 tx'ers! Will have to wait 'till my hackrf arrives. Or I get around to buying a NTX2B
[10:32] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[10:43] <DL7AD> good afternoon
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[10:52] <ibanezmatt13> I'm looking for a 12V LED/bulb of some sort that will light sufficiently with as smaller current as possible. Does such a component exist?
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[10:59] <ibanezmatt13> I guess I could just use a 12V LED. There's one at Maplins for instance that is 120mW power.
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[11:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> mmmm no ballon this weekend
[11:42] <PE2G> No balloon, but $50SAT will be within range at ~11:49 UTC: http://s23.postimg.org/5jkxchzjf/Scr_Sav003.jpg
[11:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: on wat frequentie
[11:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> ow wait i have receiving him yesterday very weekly
[11:45] <PE2G> Nominal 437.505 MHz , doppler shifted 437.514 MHz in the north
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[11:47] <PE2G> Shift 620 Hz, 100 baud, 8 n 1.5
[11:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx info
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[11:51] <bertrik> oh cool, it's just RTTY?
[11:57] <bertrik> I think I saw something in the waterfall, but was not quick enough to tune to it, had a lot of doppler
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[12:03] <PE2G> I made an audio recording, will play back now
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[12:07] <es5nhc> Really needing to read up more on signal processing... I can do a crude RTTY modulator in software but need to learn pulse shaping...
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[12:13] <PE2G> Finally a ful sentence: $$$$50SAT,128,,252,,,46,3,,21,148,84,,82,90,3703,*4A
[12:13] <jcoxon> hey darkstar-2001
[12:13] <darkstar-2001> jcoxon: Hi.
[12:13] <jcoxon> was that a make install
[12:13] <jcoxon> or just make?
[12:14] <darkstar-2001> that was a fresh pull, a autoreconf, ./conf then a make
[12:15] <jcoxon> okay, i've fixed it
[12:15] <darkstar-2001> Indeed you have!
[12:15] <darkstar-2001> Ta.
[12:16] <jcoxon> interestingly didn't throw an error on OS X
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[12:16] <darkstar-2001> That's odd.
[12:16] <db_g6gzh> jcoxon: was that https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/blob/master/po/dl-fldigi.pot#L4990 you fixed ?
[12:17] <jcoxon> yup
[12:17] <db_g6gzh> ok, seems to work for me as far as I can tell without actual data to decode
[12:18] <jcoxon> db_g6gzh, have you compiled the latest version of dl-fldigi (as in fresh from my github today)
[12:18] <db_g6gzh> I note the auto setting of RTTY filter bandwidth has gone
[12:18] <db_g6gzh> yes jcoxon
[12:18] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: congrats i mist a lot
[12:18] <jcoxon> yeah though i've worked out a simple way of adding it back without it getting in the way
[12:18] <db_g6gzh> Debian stable/testing hybrid
[12:18] <jcoxon> i'll make it so that when ever you change the baud it'll auto set the filter (baud * 2)
[12:19] <jcoxon> but otherwise it'll stick to custom filter size
[12:19] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: TA, halfway in the recording now, only partial decodings: À50SAT,128,,252,,,%0,Ü×
[12:20] <Stratos> Hi, is this where I request to have my flight Doc approved?
[12:21] <jcoxon> the best place is #habhub
[12:21] <Stratos> I logged it but it said to go on IRC to get approval
[12:21] <PE2G> $$$$$50SAT,128,,252,,,52,3,71,21,142,85,,102,90,3703,*7B
[12:22] <jcoxon> yeah there is a seperate IRC development for all the server stuff for flight docs etc
[12:23] <Stratos> do you know the address by anychance?
[12:23] <jcoxon> yeah its #habhub
[12:23] <jcoxon> just do /join #habhub
[12:23] <Stratos> OK, cool Thanks for that jcoxon
[12:25] <bertrik> es5nhc: would you really need pulse shaping on RTTY?
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[12:29] <es5nhc> D**t, tongue slipped... meant wave-shaping
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[12:31] <db_g6gzh> jcoxon: just rebuilt from a fresh clone, to be sure of no local influence, and it seems to run OK
[12:31] <jcoxon> great
[12:31] <jcoxon> do you think autobandwidth is a good idea?
[12:32] <db_g6gzh> it set it to 0 which might confuse people
[12:32] <PE2G> $50SAT WAV audio recording: http://www.sendspace.com/file/s0cpvj (130 MB)
[12:33] <PE2G> File date should be Dec 8.
[12:33] <mfa298> jcoxon: seeing earlier scrollback if you're able to easily roll a windows build I can stick it on a machine to test (otherwise I'll have a go at compiling for windows - was something I've been meaning to do for a while)
[12:34] <mfa298> I'll also try running up a version on fedora.
[12:35] <jcoxon> mfa298, kraken used to be able to roll windows builds
[12:36] <db_g6gzh> jcoxon: IIRC it used to set 68 for 50 baud, maybe if it's less than 1.4 * baud then increase it to that but leave alone if it's already higher ?
[12:37] <jcoxon> so fldigi goes for baud * 2.0 these days
[12:37] <jcoxon> 68 i think is actually the default setting for the GUI rather than any maths
[12:37] <db_g6gzh> OK, I didn't look at how it worked.
[12:38] <db_g6gzh> let me fire up the older version ...
[12:39] <mfa298> baud*2 does seem a bit high, especially on the higher baud rates.
[12:39] <db_g6gzh> sets it to baud rate with a minimum of 68
[12:39] <jcoxon> db_g6gzh, oh right
[12:39] <db_g6gzh> if you're doing 600 baud at 600Hz that would be a problem
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[12:40] <db_g6gzh> jcoxon: by observation rather than code inspection - with box ticked
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[12:40] <jcoxon> mfa298, hmmm the old build system was on the old server
[12:40] <jcoxon> i'll chat with DanielRichman about it
[12:41] <mfa298> jcoxon: ok, I might take a look at doing it as well, I had meant to have a play with the gps bug on windows (if it's still a bug in the new version)
[12:41] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: kraken seems to be set up to build it
[12:42] <jcoxon> mfa298 yeah that bug is still there
[12:42] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, like the old days?
[12:42] <DanielRichman> yes, su to `builder`
[12:43] <DanielRichman> mfa298: "easily roll a windows build" = run this script https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi-packaging
[12:43] <DanielRichman> fwiw I know it works on 10.04 and 11.04 but not since
[12:43] <jcoxon> okay i'll give it a go
[12:43] <DanielRichman> all the deps etc. are installed on kraken
[12:43] <DanielRichman> and all the libraries are compiled so you only have to re-build the dl-fldigi bit
[12:43] <DanielRichman> which takes substantially less time ;-)
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[12:45] <mfa298> DanielRichman: Thanks, I was aware of there being a script to do it.
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[12:55] <cm13g09> I knew I was good at designing systems that let you do insane things....
[12:55] <cm13g09> this one is getting a little out of hand ;)
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[13:05] <ike> hi guys
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[15:10] <anerDev> hi guys
[15:10] <LeoBodnar> I did but you know that probably :D
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[15:10] <LeoBodnar> time shift fail
[15:11] <LeoBodnar> [10:06] <jcoxon> anyone here compile dl-fldigi from source?
[15:12] <Upu> sudo -iu builder
[15:12] <Upu> cd ~/dl-fldigi-packaging
[15:12] <Upu> ./mingw.py git://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi.git
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[15:12] <fsphil> mingw the merciless
[15:12] <jcoxon> tis mean
[15:14] <jcoxon> Upu is that for use on kraken?
[15:14] <Upu> yep
[15:14] <jcoxon> have you compiled a binary recently with it?
[15:14] <Upu> a few months ago
[15:15] <jcoxon> http://pastebin.com/46izpJEy
[15:15] <jcoxon> thats the error i'm getting
[15:16] <Upu> suspect you need to speak to someone who knows what they are doing, that person is not me :)
[15:16] <jcoxon> haha
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[15:27] <ike> LeoBodnar when are you going to made si4463 modules at 144.800MHz and sell it via Upu's shop?
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[15:34] <LeoBodnar> Upu has made his own version
[15:34] <Upu> which won't be for sale ..
[15:36] <ike> why?
[15:36] <anerDev> guys, anyone know a community of apt satellite ?
[15:37] <anerDev> like ukhas. I'm interest to lear how receive satellite data
[15:37] <jcoxon> anerDev, lots of people here work with satellites
[15:37] <jcoxon> but the main group is AMSAT
[15:38] <craag> ike: It's one thing making a project for yourself, it's a massive step up to mass-produce, sell and support them.
[15:38] <craag> As I'm sure Anthony is finding out with the habduino...
[15:39] <ike> Upu is doing that
[15:39] <Upu> Step up production you say ? http://gerblook.org/pcb/8o28NjJvRWbjPg6sL4WS8X#front
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[15:40] <Upu> yes thats me ike
[15:40] <craag> hehe, well those are a bit simpler than the pAVA boards ;)
[15:40] <ike> so GPS modules have battery?
[15:40] <ike> it keeps time?
[15:40] <ike> if GPS module knows time, how it get fix faster?
[15:40] <fsphil> it remembers the positions of the satellites too
[15:41] <anerDev> jcoxon this is the website: http://ww2.amsat.org
[15:41] <ike> so it locks faster than 42 seconds?
[15:41] <craag> ike: Can be <3 seconds or so.
[15:41] <ike> Upu nice GPS module, and thus been said I don't like it
[15:42] <craag> (if it was last switched on less than a few hours ago)
[15:42] <ike> mounting holes are too close to antenna
[15:42] <ike> antena trace can be made shorter
[15:42] <ike> ... no trace at all is better
[15:43] <ike> and white you are there you can ad smd atmega328
[15:43] <Upu> well that trace follows the data sheet recommendations
[15:43] <craag> I'd disagree, having the antenna too close to the bulky module would affect it.
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[15:43] <ike> and maybe si4432 module pads
[15:43] <Upu> and the mounting holes aren't really mounting holes they are just there if someone wants t string through it
[15:43] <craag> ike: It's a gps module breakout board. It does one job and does it well.
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[15:44] <Upu> means people don't have to SMD solder
[15:44] <mfa298> ike: it's just a breakout for the ublox gps. the idea is you connect to whatever system you want (mine's connected to a raspberry pi)
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[15:50] <bertrik> made a little space invader in the waterfall with an RFM22B: http://i.imgur.com/83eWcho.png
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[15:51] <mfa298> bertrik: excellent :D
[15:51] <jedas> :)
[15:52] <craag> :)
[15:52] <craag> Was it SGS that last used ASCII art in their downlink?
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[15:53] <ike> bertrik there are some old-time hams that will start to spin in their graves if they see that
[15:53] <bertrik> ike: oh? :)
[15:53] <ike> they will try to decode it by ear
[15:54] <ike> and will stackoverflow
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[16:22] <nats`> hello boyz !
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[16:24] <Maxell> hahahaha 16:53:15 < ike> bertrik there are some old-time hams that will start to spin in their graves if they see that
[16:24] <Maxell> 16:53:34 < bertrik> ike: oh? :)
[16:24] <Maxell> 16:53:54 < ike> they will try to decode it by ear
[16:24] <Maxell> 16:54:08 < ike> and will stackoverflow
[16:24] <Maxell> hmm, intresting new datamode
[16:25] <Maxell> damn teenagers these days
[16:31] <es5nhc> "Hey you kids, get off my lawn!"
[16:32] <nats`> es5nhc 1 strike of 100W CW :D
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[17:18] <Willdude123_> Hello
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[17:18] <Willdude123> Anybody miss me?
[17:18] <Willdude123> :P
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[17:22] <cm13g09> Willdude123: Can't say we've missed your regular ping timeouts ;)
[17:22] <Willdude123> They stopped :P
[17:22] <Willdude123> Will get the resistors soldered tomorrow
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[17:31] <ike> so I have fake clone of a clone of chinese GPS GPRS tracker
[17:31] <ike> it uses MT6223 chipset
[17:32] <ike> and is controled via sms #begin#123456#
[17:32] <chrisstubbs> ike, does it have a GPS in it
[17:32] <ike> is this the right chanel to ask about it
[17:32] <chrisstubbs> i ordered a very cheap one with "GPS" written on the outside, and no GPS module inside :P
[17:32] <ike> chrisstubbs yes it does have GPS module in it
[17:32] <Willdude123> Hey chrisstubbs
[17:32] <chrisstubbs> good start
[17:32] <chrisstubbs> evening
[17:33] <chrisstubbs> got a link ike?
[17:33] <ike> mine was 30$ and 15$ ones don't have GPS module
[17:33] <bertrik> chrisstubbs: I think those work on GSM triangulation only
[17:33] <chrisstubbs> bertrik, yeah
[17:33] <craag> ike: I have one of those, with the brown strip on the handle?
[17:34] <bertrik> very disingenious of them to put GPS on the outside ... :(
[17:34] <chrisstubbs> TK102?
[17:34] <craag> ike: Like this? https://www.philcrump.co.uk/TK-102_GSM_Tracker
[17:35] <craag> I have a genuine one too, bit more expensive but v reliable.
[17:35] <chrisstubbs> craag, wow there are "fake" and "genuine" TK-102's
[17:35] <craag> yes there are :)
[17:35] <ike> craag yes the same
[17:36] <ike> so I get 7h of runtime
[17:36] <ike> I want to multyply it by 24
[17:36] <Willdude123> Wow this echolink thing looks pretty cool
[17:36] <ike> to get 1 week runtime
[17:36] <Willdude123> Is there actually a document somewhere that outlines what each license class can and cannot do?
[17:36] <ike> do you know more about MT6223 chipset
[17:36] <ike> can I program it with AT commands?
[17:37] <mfa298> Willdude123: have you got your callsign yet ?
[17:37] <Willdude123> I need to know if I can operate gateways.
[17:37] <Willdude123> Don't be silly :P
[17:37] <Willdude123> Well, I'll probably get my pass certificate sometime this week
[17:37] <mfa298> you should get it as part of the license doc
[17:37] <ike> I wonder if this is genue ublox module https://www.philcrump.co.uk/images/4/40/GSM_Tracker_Inside_Top.JPG
[17:38] <chrisstubbs> haha
[17:38] <mfa298> Willdude123: first port of call is http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/amateur-radio/guidance-for-licensees/amateur-terms.pdf
[17:38] <chrisstubbs> looks like a NEO-6 with pins round the edges
[17:39] <mfa298> I'm sure people have usually been able to get their callsign within a week of doing the test.
[17:39] <Willdude123> Ah
[17:39] <Willdude123> There's a new system now
[17:39] <Willdude123> They send them off to be optically marked
[17:40] <craag> ike: It's a custom chipset based on a ublox chip. Not nearly as good as a proper ublox module.
[17:40] <craag> Also appears to be based on the ublox 4.
[17:40] <mfa298> I think they used to do that as well but ofcom knew you'de passed within a week.
[17:40] <craag> The genuine unit has a SIRFstar III chipset, 20x better.
[17:41] <mfa298> you might need to register on ofcom's site and you may find you can get a callsign now.
[17:42] <ike> craag I don't mind GPS module
[17:42] <ike> it does it's job
[17:42] <ike> the problem is with GSM/GPRS module
[17:42] <Upu> not under a balloon it won't
[17:42] <craag> ike: The fake one wouldn't get a lock inside.
[17:42] <craag> Oh don't use any of these for HAB.
[17:43] <ike> Upu I will not use it on a balloon
[17:43] <ike> I get lock inside near window
[17:43] <ike> I want to learn more about GSM/GPRS module
[17:44] <ike> it looks like it have Rx and Tx pins
[17:44] <craag> ike: I used the unit to do live tracking of a charity hitch-hike trip http://jailbreak.dottyprojects.com/
[17:44] <ike> and they are used for firmware
[17:44] <ike> how can I write my own firmware
[17:44] <craag> You'd do far better to get your own GSM module and try with that
[17:45] <craag> eg the Arduino GSM Shield
[17:45] <craag> V well documented
[17:45] <chrisstubbs> The amazon reviews on that "fake" one are fantastic: "The most useful thing that arrived with the unit was the wrapping"
[17:46] <craag> chrisstubbs: If you told it to send 5 messages, it would send 3, if you told it to send 20, it would send about 8, very frustrating.
[17:46] <ike> craag it's OK to use it in car
[17:46] <craag> ike: Yes, GPS-wise, but the GSM from it was v unreliable.
[17:46] <ike> but I want to use it with it's own battery
[17:46] <ike> and it's good for only 7h
[17:47] <ike> craag maybe because of crappy antenna
[17:47] <Willdude123> mfa298 will try
[17:47] <craag> The genuine unit will do 8.5h sending a position every 30 seconds !
[17:47] <ike> I have no issues with it, while it sits on my desk
[17:47] <ike> craag I need 1 week runtime
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[17:48] <ike> I can do it
[17:48] <craag> ike: I did quite a bit of testing, and it proved not to be as reliable as I wanted, hence I got the genuine one.
[17:48] <craag> Yeah power it from the car bettery.
[17:48] <craag> *battery.
[17:48] <ike> with some low power 8/16 bit MCU, but I'm looking for some smart way
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[17:49] <craag> My suggestion: use an Arduino GSM Shield and an Arduino.
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[17:49] <chrisstubbs> If you just want to play with GSM that sounds like a good suggestion
[17:49] <Willdude123> I wonder if you are operating an American radio on echolink from another country what rules you have to abide by
[17:50] <Willdude123> Or if you can operate it from the air
[17:50] <craag> And everything is documented.
[17:50] <mfa298> Willdude123: I think you'll find with the foundation license you're not allowed to remote operate over the internet
[17:50] Action: craag is working on a commercial product, prototyped on the GSM shield.
[17:50] <Willdude123> mfa298 I know, I emailed echolink and they said they believed that to be true
[17:50] <Willdude123> I am doing intermediate in Feb
[17:51] <chrisstubbs> The library must be nice, AT commands can get a bit complicated depending what you want to do
[17:51] <mfa298> if you read through that pdf I linked to it's all in there.
[17:51] <mfa298> you might find you need a Full licence to remote operate over the internet
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[17:53] <mfa298> Willdude123: you need to save up so you can get something like an FT817, then you can really talk to people on HF.
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[17:54] <Willdude123> mfa298 yeah,
[17:54] <ike> craag arduino, gsm and gps module will cost too much
[17:54] <ike> not 30$
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[17:55] <craag> It'll save you well over $100 of time :)
[17:55] <ike> and I don't want to reinvent the wheel
[17:55] <ike> I just want to make a slight mod
[17:55] <mfa298> $30 on something that doesn't work very well is $30 wasted + all the time you wasted.
[17:56] <ike> mfa298 As I said it's good for car
[17:56] <ike> it's just ... I don't have a car
[17:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> i see XABEN0 on the map he going flying today ???
[17:58] <Willdude123> mfa298 I was thinking about VHF/UHF as well
[17:58] <Willdude123> I will probably get a W-50 up and a sutiable transceiver
[17:58] <mfa298> Willdude123: the FT817 goes up to 70cms and is multimode - just low power.
[17:58] <mfa298> but 5W can work well if you've got a decent antenna
[18:00] <mfa298> they cost ~£400 on ebay 2nd hand, something similar with more power will cost a fair bit more.
[18:02] <ike> http://www.409shop.com/409shop_product.php?id=106855
[18:02] <Willdude123> Woahmygod
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[18:04] <mfa298> Baofeng's will work if there are local people around on 2m/70cm FM to talk to. Otherwise you'll find it very boring.
[18:04] <mfa298> should work for arps through if you connect to a pc soundcard
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[18:06] <ike> mfa298 you can talk to ISS
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[18:08] <mfa298> well if you're lucky, with a good antenna on a day they're operating the ham station
[18:09] <mfa298> or you can try APRS to ISS but from others experimenting 5W might not be enough for that.
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[18:10] <Willdude123> mfa298 my pc has no soundcard
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[18:11] <mfa298> that must be a real dinosar of a pc - everything I've had in the last 15 years has had at least a line out and mic in.
[18:11] <Willdude123> Well, I think it's integrated
[18:12] <mfa298> you can always get a usb soundcard cheaply from ebay if you want an additional line out/mic in to use.
[18:12] <ike> mfa298 they have too much noise
[18:12] <mfa298> so you can listen to normal sounds at the same time as things like aprs
[18:13] <mfa298> ike: I've not had any issues with usb sound cards
[18:13] <mfa298> maybe if you're trying to pull dominoEX out of the noise, but then you won't be doing that with a baofeng anyway.
[18:14] <ike> there is $10 option for domino
[18:16] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[18:16] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
[18:17] <mfa298> ike: can your $10 solution transmit DominoEX ?
[18:17] <ike> HAHAHAHA
[18:18] <ike> I can tx domino with $4
[18:18] <mfa298> in a 2 way qso style of operation as you'de do with an AR license ?
[18:19] <ike> I don't need AR license to TX domino
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[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:20] <craag> Good evening Lunar_Lander!
[18:21] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[18:21] <craag> Busy busy busy
[18:21] <craag> you?
[18:21] <ike> na na na naaa
[18:21] <ike> life is life
[18:21] <ike> na na na naaa
[18:22] <mfa298> the point I was trying to make is that Will is about to get an AR license so will presumably want to use it for AR, hence a uv-3r is somewhat limited as to what you can do. Just sending HAB style telemetry on the ISM band doesn't require a license.
[18:22] <ike> don't mind Willdude123, he is here just for the chat
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah same here
[18:23] <Willdude123> Right
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> craag, wondering if I have to include the whole thing about how a EPR resonator can be depicted as a linear oscillating circuit or not in the thesis
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[18:25] <craag> Lunar_Lander: YOu're over my head there I'm afraid
[18:26] <craag> :P
[18:28] <Willdude123> FT187 looks pretty good
[18:28] <Willdude123> But 5 watts!
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[18:28] <mfa298> if you want lots of bands and >5W you'll need to save up quite a lot more.
[18:28] <ike> you can cover the whole world with 2W
[18:28] <ike> at SW
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> craag, ah no problem
[18:29] <ike> or you need 1mW to make transatlantic contact
[18:29] <mfa298> with a decent antenna 5W can be good enough for HF
[18:31] <mfa298> remember that 6dB is normally equivalent to 1 S point on the meter, and 6dB up from 5W is 20W. Going to 80W in theory will get you up 2 S Points on the receiver.
[18:31] <Willdude123> What kind of antenna do most people use?
[18:31] <Willdude123> I've heard a lot use wire antennas
[18:31] <mfa298> for HF a wire dipole will do a decent job.
[18:32] <mfa298> either cut for the band or use an ATU (possibly with ladder line rather than coax)
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[18:35] <jcoxon> evening all
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[18:38] <ike> so ... have any of you played with GSM modules?
[18:38] <ike> they have MCU inside
[18:38] <ike> how hard it to program it
[18:39] <ike> let's say if I want to build my own GPS GSM tracker
[18:39] <ike> do I need mcu like arduino
[18:39] <ike> or I can use MCU inside GSM module?
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[18:41] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[18:41] <SpeedEvil> There are some modules which let you use python or something.
[18:41] <SpeedEvil> Generally, you cannot program them in assembler because the IP inside is seeeekrit
[18:42] <ike> python is ok
[18:42] <ike> C is better
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> http://www.telit.com/en/products/gsm-gprs.php?p_ac=show&p=47 say
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[18:51] <ike> so he quit not to deal with BT shit?
[18:51] <nats`> no we gave up on that crap and took an ISM chip and explained to the customer that BT was crap for the target
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> nats`: It's depressing, because you know the chip can do it.
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> (in many cases)
[18:52] <nats`> CSR chi on a Si POV are really great
[18:52] <nats`> in my opinion they can handle good RF and digital stuff
[18:52] <nats`> but they put some sort of limit to be compliant with cellphone vendor
[18:53] <nats`> this java subset was the last stuff I wanted to handle
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[18:54] <arko> ahoy
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[18:54] <SpeedEvil> The whole payment and mobile space is a bit retarded with java.
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[18:55] <SpeedEvil> Java, because it allows secure apps - but the JVMs have holes often
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBzb-Zx4rsI
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[18:57] <SpeedEvil> BlackHat US 2013 - Karsten Nohl - Rooting Sim Cards
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[19:05] <nats`> SpeedEvil I always thought java was a black hole :D
[19:06] <nats`> but that's only logic java allows people with basically no knowlegde of low level to work on programming stuff
[19:06] <nats`> defective by design
[19:07] <nats`> I have a small diploma in programming design and we never saw an assembly line
[19:07] <nats`> or even what's a buffer a pointer or that kind of stuff
[19:08] <ike> who needs a pointer when you can have a swag
[19:09] Action: nats` is taking his gun under the desk :)
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[19:23] <Willdude123> I actually had a dream last night that I recovered a HAB
[19:23] <Willdude123> I was just walking then it parachuted down straight in front of me
[19:24] <Willdude123> mfa298 is it worth not operating at all until I can afford a really good transceiver?
[19:24] <Willdude123> Or it may well be worth getting this http://www.rsgbshop.org/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_What_s_New_26.html
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[19:24] <Willdude123> That said, LOS here is crap
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[19:29] <mfa298> a small handheld radio can be useful (it's how a lot of people start out) but just be aware that what you can do is fairly limited.
[19:29] <jcoxon_> haha i was going to suggest a baofeng
[19:29] <jcoxon_> they are cheap
[19:29] <jcoxon_> but quite good introduction
[19:29] <jcoxon_> sufficiently modern to hit a repeater
[19:30] <mfa298> if you can get to the local repeaters you might get a few contacts that way but there doesn't seem to be as much FM activity around (or I just listen at the wrong times)
[19:31] <jcoxon_> also there is APRS and ISS APRS
[19:31] <jcoxon_> need to go outside
[19:31] <mfa298> really depends on how long until you might get to save up for something better
[19:33] <mfa298> you might find someone at the local club has an old handheld radio they can sell at a cheap price or lend you for a bit they're the sort of thing people can end up collecting (I've got three hand helds now)
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[19:41] <Willdude123> We do have an equipment sale sometime in june
[19:41] <Willdude123> Christmas is getting exponentially profitable for me
[19:41] <Willdude123> As I am so difficult to buy for
[19:41] <Willdude123> People get me cash
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[19:44] <mfa298> what to get really depends on what you want to try doing with it. But if you want to play with HF the FT817 is a great little radio (you could also look at things like the FT857/FT897 to have more power when you get a higher licence)
[19:46] <mfa298> interestingly looks like the 857/897 might not be much more on ebay - although check if there's features on the 817 that are better than the 857/897.
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[19:51] <mfa298> although remember higher powered radios will need a fairly chunky PSU (usually 20A+ at 13.8V) which adds cost
[19:51] <Willdude123> Hmm
[19:52] <Willdude123> heh
[19:52] <Willdude123> Smoke free home
[19:52] <Willdude123> On a radio
[19:52] <ike> cost of atx power supply
[19:52] <Willdude123> Clothes, I can sort of understand
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> Willdude123: It matters.
[19:52] <Willdude123> But radios?!
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> Some equipment can _REALLY_ stink.
[19:53] <Willdude123> Non-smoking could just mean it hasn't caught fire yet
[19:53] <Willdude123> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yaesu-FT-857D-Amateur-Radio-with-TCXO-9-and-CT-62-CAT-Cable-/221333283395?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Ham_Radio_Receivers_Transceivers&hash=item33887de243
[19:54] <mfa298> ike: I'm not sure I'd trust an ATX PSU to run a radio (I'm not even sure if many will supply 20A plus and you ideally want 13.8V not 12V - it can make a difference)
[19:55] <mfa298> as well as having poor personal hygene some hams are known for smoking like chinmeys, you probably don't want to own something they've had in the shack for years.
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[19:58] <mfa298> yay, if this is a 2nd hand bargin (www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181275908308) I'm a winner, I paid around £800 for mine ~6 years ago 2nd hand :D
[19:58] <Willdude123> *hygiene
[19:58] <Willdude123> Sorry
[19:58] <Willdude123> Pedant mode kicking in
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[19:58] <mfa298> 1) Buy radio, 2) use it for a few years, 3) ??? 4) Profit
[19:59] <Laurenceb_> http://dx.com/p/portable-usb-2-0-20x-800x-2mp-digital-microscope-with-8-led-illumination-black-72915
[19:59] <Willdude123> mfa298 what is your callsign btw?
[19:59] <mfa298> m1ari
[20:00] <Willdude123> Got my intermediate license book ordered, before I even know I've passed my foundation!
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[20:01] <Willdude123> Spot the non-stereotypical ham http://www.hamradio.co.uk/userfiles/image/IMG_0199(5).jpg
[20:01] <jcoxon_> Willdude123, my recommendation is get a 2m+70cm rig (not a 70cm only)
[20:02] <jcoxon_> very little happens on 70cm
[20:02] Action: Reb-SM3ULC like the FT817.
[20:03] Action: jcoxon_ is sad and prefers his FT290 and FT790 just because he thinks they look cool
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[20:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> :)
[20:04] Action: Everyone likes the FT817
[20:04] Nick change: Everyone -> Willdude123
[20:04] <nats`> you can have FT857 like mine with UHF tx out of order
[20:04] <nats`> for really small amount
[20:04] <nats`> just 1 transistor to change
[20:04] <nats`> !
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[20:05] <mfa298> depends on what I'm doing, as a home radio I like my TS-2000 more - much easier to change things. But for portable the FT817 is very nice.
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[20:23] <Willdude123> Not actually sure if my RSGB candidate number is valid
[20:23] <Willdude123> They told us it was N118xxx
[20:23] <Willdude123> But the ofcom system doesn't take the N
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[20:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[20:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: do You have altitude glitches after turnigg max7 on and off ?
[20:32] <LeoBodnar> yes, everybody does
[20:32] <Upu> yeah ignore any results until sats > 4
[20:32] <Upu> just transmit 0,0
[20:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> sats > 4 or <4 :) ?
[20:32] <LeoBodnar> you will get them with 6+ sats
[20:32] <Upu> >
[20:33] <Upu> not seen them with more than 4 sats
[20:33] <Upu> its when its getting lock it seems to give random location information
[20:33] <LeoBodnar> because you have not switched it off
[20:33] <Upu> using UBX this
[20:35] <Willdude123> Apparently Martin Lynch and Sons might have a few second hand 857s
[20:35] <Willdude123> Not sure what I can afford tbj
[20:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> ahh... until sats>4 ok :-) so when sats < 4 i can assume in software, that there is no lock
[20:36] <Upu> thats what I do and i've not had an issue
[20:36] <Willdude123> Godammit, my counsellor mentioned Transactional Analysis to me and I cannot get on with it at all
[20:37] <Upu> however not done turning the GPS back on in the air
[20:37] <Willdude123> Upu did I tell you I (almost definitely) passed my foundation license?
[20:37] <Upu> congrats
[20:37] <Upu> when ?
[20:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> Willdude123: congrats dr om :-)
[20:38] <Willdude123> Upu last sunday
[20:38] <Willdude123> They marked them there
[20:38] <Willdude123> But they weren't allowed to say our results there
[20:38] <Upu> you'll get a letter from them
[20:38] <Willdude123> And they said "we think you all passed"
[20:38] <Upu> yeah they can tell you what you got but its subject to marking by OFCOM
[20:39] <Willdude123> Thought it was RSGB
[20:39] <Willdude123> And then they pass the candidate numbers on to Ofcom
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[20:39] <Willdude123> It's optically marked
[20:39] <Willdude123> Will just check with my granddad if he's okay to let me come in and solder the resistors tomorrow.
[20:39] Action: SP9UOB-Tom has passet the exams... 23 years ago :-)
[20:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> passwd
[20:39] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[20:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> passed
[20:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> well :-)
[20:40] <Upu> not the typing ones it seems
[20:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOL
[20:40] <Upu> pan calling kettle grimy arsed
[20:40] <mfa298> pc keyboard has too many keys on it. you should only need 1
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[20:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> at least three, ctrl + alt + del
[20:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> well, one master key, then 8 shifts
[20:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> anyone remember ZX-Spectrum 5 or 6 functions on one key :) ?
[20:42] <Kodar> Im C64'er ;-)
[20:43] <Willdude123> Upu do you operate much or are you just like daveake (only got license for HAB)
[20:43] <mfa298> -- --- .-. ... . / ... -. .-.. -.-- / -. . . -.. ... / .---- / -.- . -.--
[20:43] <Upu> I used it to speak to Rob Harrison
[20:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> my father imported ZX-81 from Northern Irleand in 1982
[20:43] <Upu> but he's on the otherside of the valley
[20:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> SP9UOB-Tom: yepp. i have one of those lying around :)
[20:43] Action: mfa298 thinks that's enough of that nonsense, it takes too long to type morse on a keyboard
[20:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> Reb-SM3ULC: me too :-) but PSU is gone
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> your APRS data shows 676m altitude and 5 sats
[20:44] <cm13g09> mfa298: Surely you can get a plugin for IRSSI ;)
[20:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: tracker is on the balcony, and it has no clear view to the sky
[20:45] <Willdude123> Upu who is rob harrison
[20:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> most of the time i have 4 sats in view
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> anyway get ready for this: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-11/2.png
[20:46] <Willdude123> MORSE SNLY NEEDS 1 KEY
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[20:46] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> "O" one
[20:47] <cm13g09> -- ..-. .- ..--- ----. ---.. ---... -.-- --- ..- -.-. .- -. .- .-.. .-- .- -.-- ... -.. --- - .... .. ... !
[20:47] <LazyLeopard> That's the kind of daft decode error I make. S for O, 1 for 9, 4 for 1, ...
[20:47] <cm13g09> mfa298: you asked for that ;)
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[20:49] <mfa298> cm13g09: that means I need to find a lookup table again !
[20:49] <cm13g09> lol
[20:49] <cm13g09> I just /script load morse
[20:49] <cm13g09> and then it does it all for me ;)
[20:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: i have pressure altimeter, so i can filter glitches
[20:49] Action: LazyLeopard can't help thinking there's probably a Morse symbol for "!" but has no idea what it might be...
[20:50] <LeoBodnar> There are lateral glitches as well
[20:50] <jcoxon_> ---.
[20:51] <jcoxon_> (unoffical)
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> this is one of the russian letters
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> "ch"
[20:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWIXSidB8co
[20:51] <jcoxon_> from a US site
[20:51] <jcoxon_> so that figures
[20:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> love this song :-)
[20:52] <DL1SGP> hi all
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> morse code operators don't do emotions like !!!
[20:53] Action: Willdude123 should probably sell the adult domain that he owns just so he can honestly adress the rumours that he owns an adult domain
[20:56] <Willdude123> So if anyone wants *****un.com for something HAB related then they can have it :P
[20:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> balloun.com ;-) ?
[21:02] <anerDev> hi guys
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[21:03] <anerDev> Today I ask a community about satellite communication (like NOAA)
[21:03] <anerDev> I don't remember who tell me about amsat ... So, who there is a member ? =D
[21:04] <DL1SGP> (4:37:07 PM) anerDev: like ukhas. I'm interest to lear how receive satellite data
[21:04] <DL1SGP> (4:37:40 PM) jcoxon: anerDev, lots of people here work with satellites
[21:04] <DL1SGP> (4:37:45 PM) jcoxon: but the main group is AMSAT
[21:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> anerDev: satcom :-)
[21:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> anerDev: google satcom :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nw7sl3ik4
[21:07] <anerDev> yes =D
[21:07] <anerDev> but they don't have an irc channel :/
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[21:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> Satcom sattelites are geostationary
[21:09] <anerDev> amsat there is in italian lang ! nice
[21:09] <anerDev> =D
[21:10] <anerDev> I go to forum, because i need an information about how build yagi 6+6
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[21:11] <anerDev> int he forum there is a desolation -__-
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> nats`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBzb-Zx4rsI - rooting SIM cards using binary SMS and JVM holes - completely enough to extract the most secret keys.
[21:15] <jcoxon> anyone have any info about UKRHAB-1
[21:15] <jcoxon> ?
[21:15] <Upu> just testing atm I think
[21:16] <Upu> don't know who's it is
[21:16] <jcoxon> well i look forward to a ukraine flight
[21:19] <x-f> jcoxon, scheduled for launch on 15th December 9 UTC
[21:25] <jcoxon> x-f, cool
[21:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: this flight can give us more listeners in Ukraine
[21:28] <jcoxon> indeed
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[22:00] <DL7AD> does anyone know if there are already small pcbs sold including lipo charge- and discharge-control?
[22:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: take one from nokia's battery
[22:01] <DL7AD> okay... from where can i get it?
[22:01] <jcoxon> DL7AD, there are breakout boards for max1555
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[22:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: there are some in my drawer. I bet there also in Yours drawer too :-)
[22:03] <jcoxon> DL7AD, https://www.sparkfun.com/search/results?term=lipo+charger&what=products
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[22:03] <DL7AD> hehe... probably in my phone.
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[22:06] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom jcoxon thx
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[22:11] <jcoxon> if in doubt check sparkfun
[22:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
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[22:40] Action: jcoxon gets out his silicone tubing from the ballast halo experiments
[22:43] <jcoxon> on side note there is a good ISS pass coming over
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[22:50] <SpeedEvil> Not visible here.
[22:50] <SpeedEvil> ISS is at best 5 degrees south of me
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[22:51] <jcoxon> going to pass right over me
[22:57] <fsphil> any voice on it recently?
[22:58] <fsphil> I've not heard much since doug wheelock was the commander
[22:58] <jcoxon> just heard packets
[22:58] <jcoxon> and not particularly easy to decode packets
[22:58] <jcoxon> wonder how good the packet decoder in fldigi is
[22:58] <arko> oh sweet, i have a pass coming up soon
[22:58] <arko> jcoxon: use mixW
[22:58] <arko> its great for ax.25
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[22:59] <jcoxon> mixW - hmmmm
[23:00] <jcoxon> but then i'd have to use windows
[23:00] <arko> lol
[23:00] <jcoxon> (or wine :-( )
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[23:03] <fsphil> has osx got soundmodem?
[23:03] <jcoxon> nope
[23:03] <jcoxon> its got QTMM
[23:04] <jcoxon> which i've hacked to work with xastir
[23:06] <jcoxon> and it will get dl-fldigi with a packet modem (before they remove it from the tree as its a bit buggy apparently
[23:08] <fsphil> gqrx has a decoder too
[23:10] <jcoxon> its the same as qtmm
[23:10] <jcoxon> by the same person
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[23:14] <cm13g09> mfa298: did you ever figure out my morse....
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[23:19] <ike> but it's friendly horse
[23:22] <mfa298> cm13g09: I think so, although I'm now getting annoyed by damned electronics that are too clever for their own good (I want the bluray player on, but not the TV connected to it via HDMI)
[23:22] <mfa298> I've also got a composite feed setup from it.
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