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[00:41] <nats`> time to sleep
[00:41] <nats`> night boys :)
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[06:51] <G0HDI> 'Morning all. Any news on the transatlantic flight?.
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[08:22] <fsphil> if the met office launch from castor bay today, it should land in england: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=f198635bcd4f79d81c1dbccd687f20369172e1b0
[08:23] <fsphil> average speed of 156km/h
[08:23] <UpuWork> sounds about right today
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[08:31] <fsphil> nothing from our transat HF beacon
[08:32] <hoeq_> *sniff* bacon?
[08:32] <hoeq_> ah... no. *sigh*
[08:32] Nick change: hoeq_ -> jphoglund
[08:32] <fsphil> woo, power cut
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[08:33] <arko> fsphil: you are still talking to us...
[08:33] <fsphil> right, lets see how long my battery lasts
[08:33] <arko> :O
[08:33] <arko> haha
[08:33] <fsphil> UPS :)
[08:33] <arko> smart
[08:33] <arko> otherwise known as american hab batteries
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[08:35] <x-f> how does your internet still work?
[08:36] <arko> telelphone is powered differently
[08:36] <arko> separate system
[08:36] <arko> not sure about cable though
[08:36] <arko> or he's tethered with his phone
[08:37] <arko> its almost 0C outside
[08:37] <N2NXZ> http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/
[08:37] <gonzo__> the exchange prob only has line batts for the telephony
[08:37] <arko> its stupid cold here
[08:37] <gonzo__> so if they lose power what's the betting the adsl goed down?
[08:37] <gonzo__> is there a clever form of cold?
[08:38] <N2NXZ> wish i could hear those blips in real time
[08:41] <N2NXZ> too early...need coffee...good morning people !
[08:42] <arko> isnt it like 4am for you?
[08:42] <N2NXZ> 3:41
[08:43] <arko> here, im just going to sleep..
[08:43] <arko> night yall
[08:43] <N2NXZ> no work today...so may as well play on radios
[08:43] <N2NXZ> good nigh
[08:43] <N2NXZ> t
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[08:48] <x-f> zulu felicitations
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[09:05] <fsphil> we're on generator power now
[09:10] <nats`> hi
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[09:43] <cm13g09> fsphil: I was doing UPS testing last night here ;)
[09:44] <fsphil> cm13g09: we have a test scheduled for tomorrow :)
[09:45] <cm13g09> lol
[09:46] <cm13g09> You've just had one ;)
[09:46] <fsphil> indeed. a few failed
[09:46] <cm13g09> lol
[09:46] <cm13g09> always the way
[09:47] <fsphil> and the trip to the server room went
[09:47] <cm13g09> fun
[09:50] <fsphil> the power is still out, there must be a line down somewhere
[09:54] <cm13g09> fun
[09:54] <cm13g09> well, I'm building a Linux AD Domain Controller
[09:55] <fsphil> ah, madness setting in?
[09:55] <cm13g09> not too much actually
[09:55] <cm13g09> Samba4 is pretty nice when it comes to building a Windows domain
[09:58] <cm13g09> So.... somebody just rebooted the core switch for the domain....
[09:58] <cm13g09> fun....
[10:00] <fsphil> urg
[10:01] <cm13g09> yeah - little bit eurgh
[10:07] <gonzo__> we used to have a dodge feed to the building, that died when we had heavy rain
[10:07] <gonzo__> only option was to go home for the afternoon
[10:10] Action: Reb-SM3ULC receiving storm. Snow/hail/rain at the same time.
[10:17] <fsphil> bah, then our generator glitched
[10:19] <fsphil> going to be one of those days
[10:20] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: you have diesel?
[10:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> a diesel more apropriate..
[10:22] <fsphil> yea we've a big diesel generator
[10:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: nice
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[10:46] <cm13g09> fsphil: I had one of those weeks last week
[10:46] <cm13g09> 2 memory failures....
[10:46] <cm13g09> 1 disk failure
[10:47] <cm13g09> but yeah - sounds like one of those days....
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[11:01] <ibanezmatt13_> anybody know much about the polarisation of waves, or just waves in general?
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[11:03] <mfa298> I'd imagine a few of us do, although probably in a more specific area (radio waves)
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[11:03] <ibanezmatt13_> ok, here goes
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[11:04] <ibanezmatt13_> "The oscillations of some waves can be thought of being made up of two components (normally called the horizontal and vertical components). However, if the wave has only one of these components then it is said to be polarised." What are the vertical and horizontal components?
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[11:04] <ibanezmatt13_> I was visualising a wave moving left right, up and down. Then I realised that this was too bizarre to be correct
[11:06] <mfa298> that question seems a bit odd, although I'm guessing they're probably looking for a fairly simple answer.
[11:06] <FlyHigh> hi guys a newbie to this site, i want to a HAB launch using a 1200 or 1600g balloon, what are the max payloads i can use, can i double the payloads if i tether 2 balloons together?
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[11:07] <mfa298> FlyHigh: max payload will partly depend on how high you're going, this calculator can give you an idea of how high a balloon can go with a payload http://habhub.org/calc/
[11:08] <ibanezmatt13_> FlyHigh: Most of everything to know is on the Wiki: http://ukhas.org.uk/
[11:08] <mfa298> FlyHigh: also tathering two balloons together gets more tricky (what happens if only one bursts
[11:09] <gonzo__> and the abrasion of the balloons together could cause early failure
[11:09] <wd8mnv> no option for 36" foil : )
[11:09] <mfa298> FlyHigh: also do you really need to fly that much weight - think about the worst case - do you want several kg's of stuff landing on someones car/ head/ greenhouse.
[11:09] <gonzo__> also, the idea of doubling up what a 1600gm will carry, results is a heavy amd dangerous payload
[11:09] <gonzo__> snap
[11:12] <FlyHigh> thnaks guys for the info will do, noted on the dual balloon, will do away with that one. I and toying with the idea of the payload, APRS tracker, VHF telemetry, UHF Parrot Repeater (3W), camera, batteries and command module.
[11:12] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13_: you'll have come accross some polarisation within HAB, radio waves are generally polarised, within HAB we normally use Vertical polarisation (the antenna pointing up /down) but there's also horizonal polarisation (as most TV antennas use). The direction of the antenna will affect the way the electric field goes.
[11:12] <ibanezmatt13_> so is it literally the fact that you have a magnetic and electric component to a transverse wave?
[11:12] <gonzo__> FlyHigh, what counrty are ou in?
[11:13] <mfa298> FlyHigh: you might want to check that you can legally do those things for wherever you are in the world - and check the laws for launching a balloon
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[11:13] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13_: I was just starting to think that it could be the magnetic and electric components they're meaning (in radio we usually just talk about the electric field and ignore the magnetic field which is at right angles)
[11:14] <gonzo__> by the sopund of that question, they are prob not thinking as deep as there being E and M components
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[11:14] <FlyHigh> South Africa, Durban
[11:14] <ibanezmatt13_> it's not really a proper question, just something I wanna understand better
[11:14] <ibanezmatt13_> I can't think of anything more logical than E and M components anyway, would make sense. Thanks guys
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[11:16] <gonzo__> the E and M will be at right angles to each other. But often we justtalk about the E field
[11:16] <mfa298> so an EM field is made up of Electic and Magnetic waves which are at right angles to each other (If I'm remebering correctly).
[11:16] <mfa298> snap
[11:16] <ibanezmatt13_> yep, that makes sense really
[11:17] <gonzo__> you win that hand
[11:17] <ibanezmatt13_> but it's bizarre to think about when it becomes polarised. Are you basically removing the E or M component? Like in polaroid glasses
[11:17] <mfa298> The E field can be in any plane but at least for radio we tend to use vertical or horizontal,
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> No thats to deep for that question, they are referring to the polarisation of a signal not its components
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Normally you have Vertical, horizontal or circular
[11:18] <mfa298> I think both fields will always be present. you're taking out any sets of waves (E+M) that don't fit that polarisation
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[11:19] <eroomde> most important delivery of the year has just arrived at company HQ
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> ibanezmatt13_, Is there any more context to that question ?
[11:19] <ibanezmatt13_> nope, I just want to clarify what the components actually are for my understanding
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> For a single signal the EM field has two components yes E & M at right angles.
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> However
[11:20] <gonzo__> when we talk about polarisation, we are just talking about the E field. The M field must always be there, but we just forget about it to simplify things
[11:20] <ibanezmatt13_> I see
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> a signal can also have its field made up of a mix of polarisations equal amounts Vetical and Horizontal when 90 degrees out of phase give you Circular
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> gonzo_ agree
[11:21] <gonzo__> so a horisontal polarised signal, we are talking about just the E field part of it.
[11:22] <ibanezmatt13_> ok, so it's to do with having a load of waves going in different directions then, and the filter just gets rid of all other waves apart from the direction its designed for
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> thats it
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[11:22] <ibanezmatt13_> awesome
[11:23] <mfa298> if you wanted to try and visualise it, think of a single sinewave going through space, then have a slit in some card for it to go through. If they're both in the same polarisation you'll see the whole signal.
[11:23] <gonzo__> for light, that would be correct, as a light source tends to have a moixure of polarisations in it
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[11:23] <ibanezmatt13_> ah yes, it's all coming back to me now. This makes sense
[11:24] <ibanezmatt13_> See, we did Malus' law, it's all quite straight forward once it clicks
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[11:24] <mfa298> as you rotate the slit you'll see less of the signal, and when one is vertical and other other horizontal you'll see none of the signal
[11:24] <ibanezmatt13_> yes, we saw a demo in the lab yesterday with a laser. Pretty cool
[11:24] <gonzo__> for radio, the antenna design tends to produce simpler polarisations, linear in a single plane, (and also circular)
[11:25] <mfa298> you can see the effect as the polaristion changes with a pair of polarised filters. When they align you get all the light going through, as you rotate one of them the amount of light will decrease.
[11:25] <gonzo__> is your question coming from a light propegation, or radio waves stand point?#
[11:26] <ibanezmatt13_> well, just transverse in general I think
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wikipedia is quite good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_polarization
[11:26] <ibanezmatt13_> yeah I've been reading it. Makes sense now, just wanted to confirm what it meant by the horizontal and vertical parts of a wave
[11:27] <gonzo__> if you start withb a mix of polaraiatuions, you can filter down to the one you want. If you start with a single polarisation, it tends to stay that way (unless you do some clever things to it)
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> It can look more complicated because its easy to get mixed up with the E&M components rather than just the polarsiation of a signal
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[11:28] <ibanezmatt13_> yeah. Thanks for the help
[11:28] <gonzo__> I recon even with light, they are just ignoring the M component, to simplify things
[11:28] <ibanezmatt13_> most probably
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> definetly
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[11:56] <nats`> <eroomde> most important delivery of the year has just arrived at company HQ <= finally you got your zvl ? :D
[11:56] Nick change: Steffann -> Steffan-
[11:57] <eroomde> nats`: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gbkp6kgbkoi2pql/2013-12-05%2011.16.21.jpg
[11:57] <eroomde> for the office christmas dinner
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[12:01] <fsphil> anyone there not drink? :)
[12:02] <eroomde> bosses' +1
[12:02] <eroomde> um
[12:02] <eroomde> that's about it
[12:03] <eroomde> the fizz gives me lots of buffer time (as the cook) do get everything ready for the dinner
[12:03] <fsphil> sysadmin *and* cook
[12:03] <eroomde> given i'm not a proper cook who can get everything out at 8pm for 17 people exactly on schedule
[12:03] <eroomde> but with enough nibbles and fizz everyone can keep chatting in the foyer
[12:04] <eroomde> also some people are getting back from ESTEC to heathrow that afternoon and might be a bit late
[12:04] <eroomde> so it's all cool really
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[12:10] <nats`> eroomde way better than a zvl :D
[12:12] <eroomde> well tbh i'd rather have the zvl
[12:12] <eroomde> we did get a really nice Time Electronics calibrator last week
[12:12] <eroomde> it does 6 digits of voltage in ranges from 10nV to 100V
[12:12] <eroomde> 100mA
[12:12] <nats`> what's a time electronic calibrator ?
[12:12] <eroomde> and 10k
[12:13] <eroomde> it's a precision source (<= 0.01%) of all the above
[12:13] <nats`> ohh oky :)
[12:13] <eroomde> so it's really great for calibrating things
[12:13] <nats`> yep :) it does freq calibration too ?
[12:14] <eroomde> for example, all of the sensors we use on our rockets - it can look like a bridge-type sensor, a 4-20mA sensor, a PT100 of PT1000, a thermocouple
[12:14] <eroomde> anything
[12:14] <eroomde> nope not freuqnecy
[12:14] <eroomde> but we have a gps disciplined 10mHz source in the lab for thatr
[12:15] <eroomde> and we have an agilent 64401A which we keep calibrated as the multimeter, and we have a very nice pressure calibrator to give a known pressure to the pressure sensors
[12:15] <eroomde> between that lot we have most of it covered :)
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[12:16] <nats`> I think precise source is what we miss here
[12:16] <nats`> a lot of measurement tools but only precise signal generator
[12:17] <gonzo__> HP or daddies?
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[12:17] <eroomde> yeah, because we do a lot of isntrumentation we really need good sources for calibration
[12:18] <gonzo__> and for bacon butties
[12:18] <eroomde> we have the budenberg pressure calibrator to put a known pressure onto the pressure sensor
[12:18] <eroomde> we have the agilent multimeter to then measure that sensor's output
[12:18] <eroomde> we have the Time Electronics calibrator to then put known voltages/currents/whatever onto the adc cards
[12:19] <eroomde> so we can calibrate the sensors separately from the adc cards, which makes moving things around mcuh easier
[12:19] <nats`> did you try the pressure calibrator on your hand ?
[12:19] <nats`> (no kidding)
[12:20] <eroomde> no!
[12:20] <eroomde> it can go up to about 500bar
[12:20] <eroomde> i don't want that on my hand
[12:20] <nats`> I was more thinking about seeing at what pressure your start to feel unconfortable and stop :p
[12:20] <nats`> not transforming your hand in meat ball :p
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[12:28] <nats`> fiou interesting topic reducing noise in PSU
[12:28] <nats`> but not electronic noise more the ceramic capacitor acoustic noise
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[13:01] <x-f> RFM22 in spaaaaaaace is still alive :-|
[13:01] <Reb-SM3ULC> Guys, there's a cw-beacon on 28221. My cw i rusty and can't run any decode on it right now.
[13:01] <x-f> record, record, record!
[13:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> iits on my ipåad...
[13:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> other comps are VPNed
[13:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> itä's via websdr at utewente
[13:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> 28220.7 or something
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[13:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
[13:05] <craag> I'm recording
[13:05] <craag> Have no way of decoding it though
[13:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> damn my morse sucks
[13:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> rusty deluxe
[13:06] <x-f> it must be better than mine non-existant :(
[13:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> fldigi can decode cw
[13:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> hrd can also i think, and cw-skimmer (of course...)
[13:06] <x-f> false alarm i think - "E ** * M 7 K K / D LT K S ** ** . Y M 7 K K C B * K N 9 N M I4* *E ** . "
[13:07] <x-f> GIRESUN
[13:07] <Reb-SM3ULC> a lot of beacons...
[13:07] <x-f> there must be another?
[13:08] <Reb-SM3ULC> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
[13:08] <Reb-SM3ULC> wtf
[13:09] <Reb-SM3ULC> http://www.keele.ac.uk/depts/por/28.htm
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[13:14] <LeoBodnar> YM7KK / B / KN90IV
[13:14] <LeoBodnar> / GIRESUN /
[13:15] <LeoBodnar> That's on 28220.7 CW
[13:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> 28220.5 YM7KK Giresun KN90IV 4 A1 24
[13:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> from the list
[13:15] <LeoBodnar> I copied it from the air
[13:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> thought so :)
[13:16] <LeoBodnar> :( no balloon so far
[13:17] <Reb-SM3ULC> should have been here by now tight?
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[13:21] <UpuWork> a few more hours
[13:21] <nats`> what is the use of those beacon ?
[13:21] <UpuWork> if we've not heard from it by midnight I'd call it dead
[13:25] <eroomde> it'll then obey hab rules of coming alive again at death_declaration+1hrs
[13:26] <fsphil> it'll do a flash gordon?
[13:30] <N2NXZ> Beacons help for stuff like this
[13:31] <gonzo__> if it were a satellite, it would be time of death + 18yrs
[13:31] <N2NXZ> Hearing a Turkish beacon now on 28.219
[13:31] <eroomde> what a delight
[13:32] <N2NXZ> tells me propagation is worth lookoing for N2NXZ/BLN/6
[13:33] <gonzo__> that is a devious work of untruths. So it's con-fictionaty
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[13:36] <fsphil> not allowed to make confectionery until after eight
[13:36] <fsphil> confectionery puns
[13:36] <fsphil> messed that one up
[13:38] <nats`> oky N2NXZ :)
[13:38] <nats`> I'll seek for a kevin
[13:38] <gonzo__> that takes the biscuit
[13:38] <N2NXZ> YM7KK heard pretty well here...
[13:39] <nats`> nobody understood the joke
[13:40] <LeoBodnar> It did not go down well
[13:40] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/UafmQVj.jpg
[13:40] <fsphil> the icing on the cake?
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[13:41] <N2NXZ> lol...Bic pens
[13:41] <nats`> Laurenceb is it a letter to you ? :D
[13:42] <LeoBodnar> Haha
[13:42] <x-f> the signature..
[13:42] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb: what does compression do to insulation?
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[13:43] <LeoBodnar> I got some of this stuff http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231093720603 and it is quite rigid-ish
[13:44] <Laurenceb> interesting
[13:44] <LeoBodnar> I got 50mW heat flux over dT=30K differential for 20mm thickness
[13:44] <Laurenceb> "spacetherm"
[13:44] <Laurenceb> hmm
[13:44] <Laurenceb> using what?
[13:44] <Laurenceb> you measured this?
[13:45] <LeoBodnar> *calculated
[13:45] <Laurenceb> ah
[13:45] <Laurenceb> is "spacetherm" the same as space blanket?
[13:45] <LeoBodnar> What happens if you compress it slightly?
[13:45] <N2NXZ> SV2MCG heard strong here now too
[13:45] <eroomde> nice find LeoBodnar
[13:45] <UpuWork> that stuff is horrid
[13:45] <UpuWork> its dusty
[13:46] <LeoBodnar> It's not for breathing UpuWork
[13:46] <UpuWork> and its a desiccant
[13:46] <Laurenceb> heh
[13:46] <UpuWork> yeah its just nasty to work with
[13:46] <UpuWork> I had some here
[13:46] <UpuWork> didn't like it
[13:46] <LeoBodnar> Hydrofobic
[13:46] <Laurenceb> can you cut it?
[13:46] <UpuWork> yeah but its tough
[13:46] <LeoBodnar> It's like felt
[13:47] <UpuWork> very dense felt
[13:47] <Laurenceb> inbteresting
[13:47] <UpuWork> I used some on one of the launches
[13:47] <LeoBodnar> Did it work?
[13:47] <UpuWork> no idea the RFM22B still died
[13:47] <Laurenceb> lol
[13:47] <LeoBodnar> heh
[13:48] <Laurenceb> yet Leo is flying practically the same IC...
[13:48] <Laurenceb> i dunno
[13:48] <UpuWork> not what you've got its what youve done with it
[13:48] <Laurenceb> do you have a freezer still?
[13:49] <UpuWork> English fail
[13:50] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, with butane bottle :S
[13:50] <N2NXZ> KP3FT .222
[13:52] <LeoBodnar> UpuWork: how did you use this stuff? Lining the internal sides of styrofoam box?
[13:52] <UpuWork> yes styrofoam ball
[13:53] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb: I think RFM22B downfall is crap crystal, not the chip
[13:53] <UpuWork> yes it is
[13:53] <UpuWork> and I swapped the crystals out on the TA floaters
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[13:54] <fsphil> I still have some of that spacetherm stuff
[13:54] <fsphil> if anyone wants it, I don't fancy opening the package
[13:54] <UpuWork> lol
[13:55] <UpuWork> I threw away what was left of mine
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[13:55] <UpuWork> just got everywhere
[13:55] <fsphil> it's got that "I'm going to cling to everything for months and maybe give you cancer" kind of look about it
[13:55] <N2NXZ> Good sign to hear TP2CE french signal...says propagation gives me hope
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[14:02] <LeoBodnar> Have you used it fsphil ?
[14:02] <fsphil> haven't LeoBodnar
[14:03] <LeoBodnar> I wonder if spaceblanket is the same stuff
[14:04] <LeoBodnar> Spacetherm® Blanket
[14:05] <Laurenceb> yeah thats what i was wondering
[14:05] <Laurenceb> need to do some thermal tests
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[14:26] <eroomde> the sky is darkening bigtime here
[14:27] <eroomde> suspect rain is not far off
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[14:32] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, not a time to be thinking of heading out for a wander...
[14:36] Action: SpeedEvil is spending an entertaining half hour in the freezing freezing with a pair of pliers removing glass from the greenhouse.
[14:36] <cm13g09> eroomde: Where are you?
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[14:39] <ve6ts> well that was an exceptionally cold walk in to work this morning
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> As long as it comes out in many drops. http://what-if.xkcd.com/12/
[14:40] <eroomde> cm13g09: near oxford
[14:40] <cm13g09> eroomde: ah right - hasn't made it over here yet...
[14:40] <eroomde> it's not raining here yet either
[14:40] <eroomde> just looks like it is
[14:40] <eroomde> cm13g09: have you played with openBSD?
[14:41] <ve6ts> eroomde i use openbsd, it's from my city afterall
[14:41] <ve6ts> theo lives like 4 blocks away from me
[14:42] <cm13g09> sadly not a BSD user
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[14:44] <mfa298> I've never been impressed by the OpenBSD advertising line.
[14:44] <mfa298> whilst there might have only been 2 remote holes in the default install, I'm not sure that the default install is that useful.
[14:45] <eroomde> i have been having a play and am quite pleased
[14:45] <mfa298> If you had a linux distro with a similar default it would probably be a small number as well!
[14:45] <eroomde> just as a nat for the firings bays to keep the tcp/ip datalogging and engine control stuff away from the rest of the network
[14:46] <eroomde> mfa298: that things that's impressed me is how much useful networking stuff comes with the base install!
[14:46] <Laurenceb> that spacetherm stuff is cheap
[14:46] <Laurenceb> good enough for using in construction
[14:46] <nats`> mfa298 I think the more interesteing point in using openbsd (vs free for example) is the default configuration and different tuning they did on many application
[14:46] <mfa298> the packet filtering engine seems to be fairly decent. Solaris has used the same thing for a while
[14:47] <mfa298> which is why I've been using Solaris for IPv6 (when I started IPv6 in Linux was pretty poor)
[14:47] <Laurenceb> all my undergrad programming assignments were on Solaris :D
[14:48] <mfa298> the only BSD I've looked at was netBSD and that was a long time ago (looking for support of alternative systems)
[14:48] <nats`> my preference goes to freebsd
[14:48] <nats`> a moderate view of "open"
[14:49] <eroomde> no opinion of usage as a desktop (i'll stay with linux for that) but as a NAT and firewall the OpenBSD way of doing things seems to make sense to me
[14:49] <eroomde> keep it simple, audit everything
[14:50] <eroomde> no whizzbangs
[14:50] <eroomde> the rocket engine can provide those
[14:50] <nats`> even for desktop they did many great things
[14:50] <nats`> like cleaning the crap of Xorg X11
[14:51] <mfa298> last time I looked at IPv4 with PF some of the Nat stuff was a bit more limited in PF compared to IPtables, but that was using the Solaris PF and only if you wanted to do interesting things.
[14:52] <mfa298> dont have those issues with IPv6 though - seems little point in NAT there!
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[15:18] <eroomde> the rain is well and truly arrived
[15:20] <fsphil> snow here
[15:20] <fsphil> though not much
[15:21] <cm13g09> eroomde: we had a deluge just now
[15:23] <mfa298> I think it's just got a lot darker here so I guess that means rain in ~ 1 hour
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[15:24] <es5nhc> Somewhat weakened line of thunderstorms along a cold front associated with the extreme windstorm Xaver spreading inland in DE/NL
[15:24] <fsphil> yea was a nice storm while near scotland
[15:25] <x-f> there were winds up to 63 m/s in Scotland
[15:25] <es5nhc> Winds would probably be particularly elevated underneath the convective activity as higher winds aloft get mixed more towards the surface
[15:25] <es5nhc> Must've been in the mountains
[15:26] <x-f> yep
[15:26] <fsphil> they probably got some thundersnow
[15:26] <es5nhc> Well yeah... essentially 850 mb winds + sfc friction
[15:26] <fsphil> though most of it was out over the north sea
[15:26] <fsphil> not many mountains
[15:28] <es5nhc> Fortunately the winds are not going to be too severe here in ES... Will be in a right part of the storm :)
[15:29] <es5nhc> Still probably some inclement weather possible... and some really low surface pressures...
[15:31] <x-f> i'll be in the centre tomorrow :) - http://www.meteo.lv/fs/CKFinderJava/userfiles/images/Laika_apstakli/animacija(3).gif
[15:32] <fsphil> it did a fair bit of damage here. there's a building near here now missing a roof
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[15:33] <x-f> :/
[15:34] <es5nhc> Speaking of storm damage... reports are that OH8X lost their powerful 160m antenna in a storm recently.'
[15:35] <LeoBodnar> clear blue sky here
[15:35] <craag> es5nhc: Was that the repurposed crane? THat they turned into a 160m/80m yagi?
[15:35] <es5nhc> yup
[15:35] <craag> ouch
[15:35] <es5nhc> the 160/80 antenna
[15:36] <cm13g09> craag: ping
[15:36] <craag> cm13g09: Good afternoon
[15:36] <eroomde> LeoBodnar: really?
[15:36] <eroomde> has it just passed?
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[15:36] <es5nhc> Where's LeoBodnar?
[15:37] <eroomde> about 30 mins north of me
[15:37] <eroomde> where we are covered by a battleship of cloud
[15:37] <es5nhc> Methinks a dry slot is following the front
[15:38] <es5nhc> at so... after the cold front has passed it probably gets a tad clearer
[15:38] <eroomde> that would be logic, i'm just trying to estimate the size of the front from when he got clear blue skies
[15:39] <x-f> it just occured to me - you're all hams, and we're talking about weather and antennas here.. :)
[15:39] <x-f> no offence though, i'll have the exam on 5th March :)
[15:39] <es5nhc> Well... HAB's and meteorology somewhat interrelate a bit :D At least for me
[15:39] <eroomde> i have back pain too
[15:40] <x-f> :)
[15:40] <fsphil> I have the flu
[15:40] <fsphil> and the price of milk is just mad now
[15:40] <nats`> fsphil +1 for flu :p
[15:40] <nats`> I'm dying continuously since 4 days
[15:40] <nats`> (maybe smoking doesn't help a lot)
[15:41] <fsphil> er, no
[15:41] <nats`> it should kill the virus !
[15:41] <fsphil> by killing the host maybe
[15:41] <nats`> just put more asphalt in my lung
[15:41] <nats`> until the parasite can't stay here :
[15:41] <nats`> :p
[15:41] <eroomde> i tried having about 4 shots of vodka after day 4 of really bad food poisening
[15:41] <eroomde> having not eaten properly for 4 days
[15:41] <fsphil> ooch
[15:41] <eroomde> i thought it might kill off whatever was in my gut
[15:42] <eroomde> i think it delayed my recovery by about two weeks
[15:42] <nats`> express vomiting technology ;o
[15:42] <nats`> you only have certain alcohol which can fix some stomac problem
[15:42] <nats`> but that's more the molecule in the plant than the alcohol
[15:43] <eroomde> fernet branca
[15:43] <eroomde> that's the solution to most woes
[15:44] <fsphil> rest, drinking plenty of water and eating chocolate
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[15:44] <nats`> chocolate ?
[15:44] Nick change: MichaelC1 -> MichaelC
[15:44] <nats`> I love chocolate
[15:44] <nats`> did you ever try pasta with chocolate ?
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[15:45] <fsphil> no
[15:47] <nats`> that's really awesome
[15:47] <nats`> you need to do al dente pasta
[15:47] <nats`> and you melt some chocolate
[15:48] <eroomde> the end
[15:48] <nats`> ?
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[15:54] <LeoBodnar> This is some serious decadence
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[16:07] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[16:07] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
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[16:21] <nats`> the chocolate pasta ?
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[16:31] <nats`> a propergol factory burnt in france today
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[16:36] <LeoBodnar> yeah!
[16:40] <nats`> oohhhh and more fun the two mexican guy who steal the cobalt 60 are certainly dead now
[16:40] <nats`> cops find the cobalt 60 out of the shield
[16:40] <nats`> ....
[16:41] <es5nhc> Interesting that UK is getting the storm surge only now as the storm cyclone itself has headed away to Scandinavia.
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[16:41] <SpeedEvil> Integrals are fun.
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[16:41] <es5nhc> Double and tripple integrals generally are not
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> I meant that sealevel is an integral of air pressure over the water.
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> (to a degree anyway)
[16:42] <es5nhc> True, but winds probably generally going to give a more powerful component
[16:42] <es5nhc> That and supposedly the trouble is because of the tides in UK
[16:43] <nats`> last joke of the day: Integrals are fun when talking about strip club ;)
[16:43] <nats`> I go out
[16:43] <N2NXZ> Main PC croaked on me...A read disk error occured......crap
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[16:44] <N2NXZ> All my data on it...should have remebered backup
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> :(
[16:45] <N2NXZ> all the balloon data sound bytes and captures too
[16:46] <craag> N2NXZ: :(
[16:46] <N2NXZ> will be monitoring on backup for now...going to try and recover
[16:46] <craag> Use dropbox in the future!
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> Good luck.
[16:46] <N2NXZ> i always use flash drives,,,but just replaced this HD
[16:46] <N2NXZ> tnx...be back in awhile
[16:48] <mfa298> I signed up with code 42's crashplan last year, although some stuff if backed up locally as well
[16:48] <mfa298> dropbox is good as well (but limited space unless your a student/ get the right phone / pay money)
[16:48] <fsphil> USB drives are cheap
[16:50] <N2NXZ> Usually run dual HD`s here with dual boot for this possible failure...just failed on that plan
[16:50] <mfa298> I've had various systems backup via rsync for a while, I've now just gotten into mirroring that backup onto a usb drive that can be stored elsewhere
[16:50] <mfa298> dual disks isn't a backup!
[16:50] <N2NXZ> no
[16:50] <mfa298> I had both drives in a raid1 fail at the same time recently :(
[16:50] <N2NXZ> but sometimes i can access the hd as slave ,only if i failed to backup
[16:51] <N2NXZ> maybe a hammer will work...lol
[16:52] <N2NXZ> so...any opinions on N2NXZ-1 survival?
[16:53] <fsphil> no sign of the HF beacon at all?
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[16:53] <craag> I keep documents in Dropbox, work on github/bitbucket, and bulk backup (including tarballs of dropbox/code) to amazon s3 every few months. Recently had a complete hard disk failure in my laptop while working, only lost 4 minutes of work :)
[16:54] <N2NXZ> 4 minutes not bad
[16:54] <fsphil> I need to start rsync'ing my laptop's home directory
[16:54] <N2NXZ> nothiong heard with beacon here...propagation diminished here
[16:54] <fsphil> I'll fire up my radio when I get home, power cut earlier means i can't remotely listen to it
[16:55] <N2NXZ> up to others now to grab it if still alive...or floating in the Atlantic
[16:56] <mfa298> N2NXZ: I did have a drive that required percaussive maintenance to work, although that was an old 105MB scsi drive
[16:56] <fsphil> I had an old IBM Deathstar that used to only work upside down
[16:58] <N2NXZ> all my pc`s are old...all kinds of parts here to make another 10...lol
[16:58] <fsphil> they made great laptops but horrible hard drives
[16:59] <N2NXZ> still have an old Compaq Armada 133mhz bought for 2 dollars 10 yrs ago...worls great
[16:59] <mfa298> old computers can be annoying.
[16:59] <fsphil> do you still use it?
[16:59] <N2NXZ> now anf then...win 98 |:)
[16:59] Action: mfa298 watches RiscOS fail to boot again.
[17:00] <N2NXZ> brb...gonna try running HD on another PC as slave
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[17:03] <N2NXZ> Great..it does open as slave...now to grab my data...last thing i wanted to do today
[17:03] <N2NXZ> burn to disk :)
[17:06] <cm13g09> mfa298: Dare I ask what you're up to!?
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[17:08] <eroomde> FAST_ED: is Fast Eddie a thing in the states?
[17:08] <eroomde> it probably isn't
[17:08] <FAST_ED> LOL
[17:09] <eroomde> oh he's a DJ, apparently
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[17:09] <FAST_ED> No but FAST Panda is
[17:09] <mfa298> cm13g09: thought I'd have a play with an old RiscPC - but it doesn't seem as happy booting as it was last time I got it out
[17:10] <FAST_ED> Any news on the flight?
[17:10] <eroomde> nothing
[17:12] <N2NXZ> When is the flight considered dead?
[17:12] <N2NXZ> guessing a 48 hour total flight?
[17:18] <craag> N2NXZ: Upu said he'd call it if nothing was heard by midnigt UTC tonight.
[17:18] <N2NXZ> ok
[17:19] <N2NXZ> let him know my pc failed...my main email account is there and cannot access from another soon
[17:19] <N2NXZ> tnx for info
[17:20] <N2NXZ> I have a crazy email account and have to jump through hoops to access from backup pc...but will get on it soon
[17:20] <N2NXZ> Just checked helium tank...still 510 psi left and a bag of party balloons :)
[17:22] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: INA333 fixed my pressure sensor issues
[17:22] <Laurenceb> works nicely now
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[17:23] <ve6ts> N2NXZ let the fun times roll
[17:24] <ve6ts> N2NXZ how much was your He tank? i always use H2, as around here it is about 1/3 the cost per fill
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[17:26] <N2NXZ> they would not sell me hydrogen here...good deal on 2000 psi of helium..also rare to get...$108.00 and launched 2 hwoyee 1600`s
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[17:27] <SpeedEvil> N2NXZ: where did you try to buy ?
[17:27] <ve6ts> oh really? i get my H2 for $85 for a 2400psi T sized tank, the same sized He is over $300
[17:27] <N2NXZ> locally in Rochester,NY
[17:27] <ve6ts> i'm in Alberta, Canada
[17:27] <N2NXZ> Barely found helium
[17:27] <ve6ts> prices are in cdn, so slightly less valued then your US dollars
[17:28] <N2NXZ> maybe i will go there next time...but can not complain...good deal on this tank by $200.00 savings!
[17:28] <N2NXZ> crazy pricing for helium here
[17:29] <N2NXZ> 14 cu.ft is like 50-60 dollars
[17:29] <arko> N2NXZ funny i stayed in eastviewfor a week a few years back
[17:29] <N2NXZ> google Party City...that is just about the only place we can get it
[17:29] <N2NXZ> eastview?
[17:30] <arko> Isnt that near rochester?
[17:30] <N2NXZ> we have a mall names Eastview
[17:31] <N2NXZ> In Victor,NY
[17:31] <arko> Ohhh
[17:31] <arko> All these years
[17:31] <arko> I thought it was c
[17:31] <N2NXZ> lol
[17:31] <arko> The city name
[17:31] <arko> Hahhaa
[17:31] <N2NXZ> no
[17:31] <arko> Yeah that mall was about the only exciting thing in that city
[17:31] <N2NXZ> I am about 2 miles north of downtown Rochester
[17:31] <arko> Oh cool
[17:32] <arko> Saw RIT, that was cool
[17:32] <N2NXZ> matter of fact,,,the airport is 5 miles from me...the balloon took off directly towards it
[17:32] <N2NXZ> yes,RIT good stuff
[17:33] <N2NXZ> Uof R good too
[17:33] <N2NXZ> U of R
[17:33] <arko> Ah yes
[17:33] <N2NXZ> My city otherwise sucks
[17:33] <N2NXZ> :)
[17:33] <arko> Lol
[17:34] <N2NXZ> lots of shootings...almost not news worthy anymore
[17:34] <arko> Hahahahaha
[17:34] <arko> Im in los angeles
[17:34] <arko> Thats every minute
[17:34] <N2NXZ> the cops do not even get to the scene anymore...just a cleanup procedure now :)
[17:34] <arko> The night time news sucks because its all just shootings
[17:35] <arko> Blah
[17:35] <N2NXZ> news here is if someone gets a job...lol
[17:35] <arko> Hah
[17:35] <arko> Anyway, back to solidworks for me
[17:36] <N2NXZ> solidworks?
[17:36] <N2NXZ> company name?
[17:36] <arko> Software, cad
[17:36] <N2NXZ> cool
[17:36] <N2NXZ> i have to refurbish homes that get wrecked by scumbags
[17:37] <N2NXZ> I like the hands on stuff anyhow...rewarding
[17:37] <N2NXZ> we are thinking of tryimng the home flipping thing soon
[17:38] <DL7AD> good evening
[17:38] <N2NXZ> looks like i got lucky to run my HD as slave...buring stuff to DVD now
[17:39] <N2NXZ> hello
[17:40] <N2NXZ> Maybe the HD is fine and something with the mobo
[17:40] <N2NXZ> be back shortly...going to look inside and clean this computer up inside
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> I tried home flipping once.
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> Broke the fork-lift.
[17:41] <N2NXZ> how it go?
[17:41] <N2NXZ> lol
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[17:41] <N2NXZ> i fell right into that
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[17:43] <obcuz> 10m has just faded in UK, nothing heard on .219, although some propagation a little earlier to CT3 (Madeira) area, bah.
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[17:48] <N2NXZ> wanted to check web tuners...but main pc doa
[17:49] <N2NXZ> Global tuners is ok...if you can get on the good ones
[17:49] <N2NXZ> one guy was on 118.4 for 8 hours straight
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[17:50] <N2NXZ> May I tune ?................................................................................................................................................................................nothin`
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[17:54] <craag> All the good UHF ones over here get used so that Bob can listen to BBC Essex when he's in Dorset, very frustrating.
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[17:55] <craag> I say *all* the good ones.. last time I looked we only had 1.
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[18:00] <obcuz> I use that SDR Radio soft, but SDR generally is no good for RX, most I tried had a loud spurious on 28.220
[18:00] <obcuz> Give me proper superhet RX anyday
[18:01] <N2NXZ> my BC 348 Q
[18:02] <obcuz> Wow, boat anchor
[18:03] <N2NXZ> 50 bucks and works great
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[18:05] <obcuz> I can believe it, and will survive EMP's
[18:05] <N2NXZ> you should have seen the home brew 2/6 meter rig i recently donated to the AWA museum in Bloomfied,NY
[18:06] <obcuz> I can believe it, and will survive EMP's
[18:07] <N2NXZ> http://www.freewebs.com/jimmzz91164/homebrew26meterrig.htm
[18:07] <N2NXZ> hope that link works
[18:07] <obcuz> Collins 30L-1 and Henry Tempo 2002 sit on my shelf, good old US fare
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[18:08] <N2NXZ> good stuff
[18:08] <N2NXZ> used to work at a computer recycling company...they tossed a perfectly good heatkit sb200 away
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[18:08] <obcuz> Was that the QRPP beacon?
[18:08] <N2NXZ> lol
[18:09] <N2NXZ> never tried to get it working...scred me
[18:09] <N2NXZ> scared
[18:10] <N2NXZ> but the sb200 worked great
[18:10] <N2NXZ> also found a MIG100 guitar amp in the trash...have it here now...works really nice
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[18:12] <obcuz> Have been looking for a SB220 for years - like hens teeth here in UK
[18:13] <N2NXZ> good amps
[18:13] <obcuz> Would like to get one on 6m
[18:13] <N2NXZ> miss my sb200...but made 300 bucks from nothing
[18:13] <db_g6gzh> Oh wow, I built a superregen receiver which had knobs and a vernier dial like on that homebrew
[18:14] <N2NXZ> i think the sb200 can be modified for 6m
[18:14] <db_g6gzh> it was solid state though, not valves
[18:14] <obcuz> I picked my Collins up for £10 from scrap man
[18:14] <db_g6gzh> probably almost 40 years ago
[18:15] <N2NXZ> cool when you find stuff like that,amazing what people toss out
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[18:16] <db_g6gzh> I bet that receiver got binned when my parents moved house. I'd forgotten about it.
[18:16] <obcuz> I fitted a W5? power board and a set of 572B's now, now 500w
[18:16] <N2NXZ> waiting for the disk to copy my files...forgot to click BURN ...LOL
[18:16] <obcuz> lol
[18:17] <N2NXZ> NOW WAIT FOR 99% THEN fail
[18:17] <obcuz> When I picked up the collins amp - there was a Collins RX as well but couldn't carry both so missed the RX
[18:17] <N2NXZ> I too bad
[18:18] <N2NXZ> the sb200 was with the matching sb transmitters and receiver with mic...they managed to keep that
[18:18] <obcuz> Nice, my ere!
[18:19] <obcuz> era
[18:19] <N2NXZ> yes
[18:19] <N2NXZ> the good days when things were made well
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[18:20] <N2NXZ> news...cobalt 60...lol...matter of time
[18:21] <N2NXZ> news is so stupid...if they can transfer drugs over the boarder,what makes cobal 60 any different?
[18:21] <obcuz> Yep, i have a IC706 and it's **** already after 4 years
[18:22] <N2NXZ> ouch
[18:22] <N2NXZ> retired my ts520...replaced with ft897
[18:22] <obcuz> I have a FT101Z from c1980 and still going strong
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[18:23] <N2NXZ> have a Cobra 139 SSB CB radio here...setup for 10m
[18:23] <obcuz> Do you think that you'll have another go at crossing the pond?
[18:23] <N2NXZ> maybe...not for a long time
[18:23] <N2NXZ> next June
[18:24] <N2NXZ> This one cost me lots of time and mopney...besides the stress
[18:24] <N2NXZ> tyoing is terrible
[18:24] <obcuz> Need some way of tracking across the Ocean
[18:24] <N2NXZ> satellite
[18:24] <N2NXZ> amateur sats maybe someday
[18:26] <obcuz> Lets us know, I'll chip in a few bucks
[18:26] <N2NXZ> ok
[18:26] <obcuz> Was an interesting experience, thanks
[18:26] <N2NXZ> your qth cal?
[18:27] <N2NXZ> it was cool...hopefully not over yet
[18:27] <N2NXZ> so lucky with the trackers in Maine
[18:27] <obcuz> my QTH? i'm about 15 miles west Birrmingham, central UK
[18:28] <obcuz> west of
[18:28] <N2NXZ> almost snagged it with nova scotia web tuner...it went offline soon as i was tuining
[18:28] <N2NXZ> o
[18:28] <N2NXZ> had you mixed with other
[18:29] <N2NXZ> arko
[18:29] <N2NXZ> so you think if balloon lived...another few hours to know?
[18:29] <obcuz> You saw that first screen shot I sent you in eamil with balloon dance
[18:30] <arko> uhh
[18:30] <arko> no idea
[18:30] <N2NXZ> i think...i saved all emails to review
[18:30] <arko> did you check noaa wind data?
[18:30] <N2NXZ> yes
[18:30] <N2NXZ> i saw the chart
[18:30] <N2NXZ> you made that one?
[18:31] <N2NXZ> not familiar with the weather charts much...pretty cool stuff
[18:31] <N2NXZ> lookslike work :)
[18:31] <N2NXZ> disk finalizing...brb
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[18:35] <es5nhc> Any word on the transatlantic balloon, or has it become the Norwegian Blue?
[18:36] <N2NXZ> no word yet...assuming trackers still involve somewhere
[18:37] <N2NXZ> from the info i saw,most predict Azores?
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[18:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats the predicted path?
[18:44] <N2NXZ> my main cpmputer died...someone else may have that info on hand
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[18:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OK. Dont send it this way, we got a hurricane passing atm
[18:46] <N2NXZ> hurricane?
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[18:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> pretty much, wind gusts of 144 feet pr sec
[18:48] <SIbot> In real units: 144 ft = 44 m
[18:50] <arko> is anyone in the uk listening fo rit?
[18:50] <Upu> nothing heard
[18:51] <Upu> it was lower than expected
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[18:51] <Upu> so I doubt even if is alive we'll see it before tomorrow morning
[18:51] <arko> not to be a negative ned here, but aren't the odds that the balloon probably didnt survive the first sunrise?
[18:52] <Upu> oh 99.5%
[18:52] <N2NXZ> thats what i was thinking
[18:52] <Upu> the vent was working too well
[18:52] <arko> ah
[18:52] <N2NXZ> i seemed to be what...about 80,000?
[18:52] <x-f> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/16836_trj001.gif
[18:52] <Upu> actually my feeling is it probably survived that
[18:52] <Upu> but then didn't survive the second night
[18:53] <N2NXZ> same track I had
[18:53] <arko> hmmm
[18:53] <N2NXZ> tnx,,,saving to new pc
[18:53] <arko> i'd be interesting to test that tech over land
[18:53] <arko> LA to NY
[18:53] <Upu> the lack of next day data is a little frustrating
[18:54] <arko> since the atlantic is pretty much no mans water
[18:54] <N2NXZ> needed maritime amateur radio
[18:55] <N2NXZ> tried to locate some...no replies
[18:56] <N2NXZ> 100`s of emails we got 3 trackers in USA
[18:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Nice, severe weather alert for the entire country now, no unnecessary outdoor activity warns the police. I just worry about my antennas :-)
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[19:00] <jedas> here it supposed to get to Lithuania this night. but it will bleed most of it's energy in your country
[19:00] <jedas> thanks .. kinda :)
[19:01] <craag> We need that flotilla of APRS digipeating buoys I think James mentioned a while ago
[19:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jedas your welcome, ill send the bill :-)
[19:01] <jedas> :)
[19:02] <N2NXZ> upu...using yahoo mail for now...my call @ yahoo.com
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[19:05] <ibanezmatt13_> gosh I'm terrible at 3D drawing. How do you draw an O ring over a tube, in 3D :)
[19:06] <arko> circle off set from a line
[19:06] <arko> rotational extrude?
[19:06] <ibanezmatt13_> not sure what you mean. Basically, a like a ring on a finger :/
[19:07] <ibanezmatt13_> http://www.estesrockets.com/media/instructions/001903_MAXI_ALPHA_3.pdf
[19:08] <arko> are you cadding?
[19:08] <ibanezmatt13_> pencil and paper
[19:08] <arko> ohhh
[19:08] <arko> hahaha
[19:08] <ibanezmatt13_> :)
[19:08] <arko> nvm
[19:09] <ibanezmatt13_> cadding comes next, need to draw the thing first ;P
[19:09] <arko> thought it was cad or something
[19:09] <arko> heh
[19:09] <ibanezmatt13_> np, didn't realise it was so hard til I just failed at it
[19:10] <fsphil> davecad
[19:11] <arko> napkin and a pen
[19:12] <ibanezmatt13_> it'd be easier drawing a hypercube than something that slides over a tube!
[19:13] <ibanezmatt13_> it's even difficult in 2D
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[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:36] <DL7AD> good evening Lunar_Lander
[19:37] <DL7AD> did someone recognize that storm? ^^
[19:37] <fsphil> having a listen on 10m .. hearing nothing
[19:37] <fsphil> if it is up, it didn't come this way
[19:38] <mikestir> i've been listening on the dutch websdr occasionally - heard nothing apart from that turkish beacon
[19:38] <fsphil> I'm not even hearing that
[19:39] <mikestir> that only seems to be audible in the morning
[19:39] <mikestir> band seems a lot less open in the afternoon
[19:41] <Brian_DK> fsphil on 10m?
[19:41] <fsphil> yea
[19:41] <fsphil> just static atm
[19:41] <Brian_DK> a hab on 10m?
[19:42] <fsphil> there was an attempted transatlantic flight
[19:42] <fsphil> it had a CW beacon on 10m
[19:42] <Brian_DK> ok yes but i didnt know it had 10m
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[19:49] <N2NXZ> 28.219 +/- drifting
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[19:49] <N2NXZ> if you can find it that is
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[20:10] <N2NXZ> 1.5 hours to go and it will be 48 hours after launch
[20:10] <es5nhc> Language note to English speakers: In some European languages such as German, word "hurricane" is split to two words. One for tropical cyclone, one for storm of hurricane force.
[20:11] <es5nhc> Winds have gone up in ES too. Islands getting to 23 m/s
[20:11] <Upu> yup N2NXZ I had a listen
[20:11] <Upu> nothing atm
[20:12] <N2NXZ> hmmm...what is your time now?
[20:12] <Upu> 20:12
[20:13] <N2NXZ> remember,my email is (my call)@yahoo.com for now...can not access the cmsdigital account
[20:13] <Upu> yep I cc'd you in on the mail I just sent to the list
[20:13] <N2NXZ> k
[20:14] <N2NXZ> still working on my computer...crazy it died with no sign of issues...just reboot this am and ...nothing
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[20:27] <fsphil> you've made me paranoid now, running a backup
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[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> es5nhc, ah Zyklon is what you mean
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> Zyklon is the rotating weather system over europe but also the storm occuring in the Indian Ocean
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[21:04] <N2NXZ> Just a note -10 meter beacon does have a tested range of 5 hours distance
[21:09] <N2NXZ> I am using global tuners Michelstadt, Hessen, Germany RX,see a faint signal on 28.220 mhz CW mode @2200 hz
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[21:10] <Brian_DK> N2NXZ better chances tomorrow, if we get some e-sporadic
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[21:14] <N2NXZ> yes...but thinking it has crashed by now..or will
[21:14] <N2NXZ> suck a weak signal...can not make it out but know something is there
[21:14] <N2NXZ> such...lol
[21:15] <Brian_DK> lets hope its still up there
[21:20] <Brian_DK> http://www.tvcomm.co.uk/radio/muf_2.html gives a good idea about 10 meter openings
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[21:23] <N2NXZ> Also here...use it all the time and run a psk31 propnet station > http://propnet.org/catch3.php?band=HY&center=US&last=1&call=&maptype=G3&geo=&zoom=1
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[21:24] <N2NXZ> Matter of fact,showing current propagation in real time now
[21:24] <Brian_DK> Yes thats also a good resource
[21:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> N2NXZ: cool try anyway!
[21:25] <N2NXZ> Europe here in the AM..then ending to West coast USA ,Japan and sometimes Australia
[21:26] <Brian_DK> N2NXZ i also hear east coast us most days here during local afternood
[21:26] <Brian_DK> on 10m that is
[21:26] <N2NXZ> definately see a beacon signal on this RX..but not n2nxz
[21:26] <N2NXZ> yes
[21:26] <N2NXZ> ]no pause
[21:28] <Reb-SM3ULC> weird... the wpsrmap shows almost no connections on 10m band
[21:28] <Reb-SM3ULC> very few on the other bands... bad conditions?
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[21:30] <Brian_DK> if your looking at europe, then every band above 30m is dead now, thats pretty normal
[21:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> ok, i'm no expert at hf.. >>vhf have been my area
[21:34] <Reb-SM3ULC> anyone flown a wspr-beacon yet?
[21:34] <Brian_DK> 10mhz is pretty much the devider, above is best during day time and below during night time.
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[21:35] <Brian_DK> unless your talking about the groundwave, thats pretty much the same for 10meters night or day
[21:36] <N2NXZ> looking to catch a hopful line of site
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[21:36] <Brian_DK> N2NXZ yes then the time of day dont mean alot
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[21:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> Brian_DK: right. i should know this very well.. dad's a ham since 55 years... hf-only-guy..
[21:37] <DL1SGP> hi folks
[21:37] <Brian_DK> all though noice levels are lower during the night, so its easyer to hear a direct signal.
[21:37] <Brian_DK> DL1SGP mojn
[21:37] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: godd evening
[21:37] <DL1SGP> hej Brian!
[21:37] <DL1SGP> god kvaell Reb-SM3ULC
[21:38] <DL1SGP> how are you guys doing in this stormy weather?
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[21:39] <N2NXZ> even if this signal i hear is not n2nxz/bln...still curious what it is now...28.219.5 @ 1500 hz on Barcelona, Barcelona, Spain RX
[21:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> i guess im the last receiver of the snow, they say we will get about 3 dm snow tomorrow...
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[21:40] <DL1SGP> no snow here, just very stormy, storm took down and partially damaged my HF antenna :(
[21:40] <DL1SGP> but I will be able to repair it :)
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander_> storm hit here as well
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[21:42] <Reb-SM3ULC> last storm "moved" my 70 antenna... not so funny to be on roof to save when winds 12-14 m/s
[21:44] <DL1SGP> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander noch 4 Tage dann bekommste virtuelle torte :)
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander_> :) ja
[21:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: virtual cake??
[21:45] <DL1SGP> yes Reb-SM3ULC :)
[21:45] <DL1SGP> for special occasions I have special virtual cake
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[21:46] <DL1SGP> and I try to keep such dates in mind :) which is especially easy if the date is rather clsoe to my own birthday :)
[21:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: my life would be much shorter if i gave my lady virtual cake instead of real
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[21:48] Action: DL1SGP does not think that Lunar_Lander_ is a lady :)
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander_> XD I think a Lady wouldn't be called Kevin
[21:49] <DL1SGP> indeed :P
[21:49] <DL1SGP> so virtual cake is fine
[21:50] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: very safe cake, hard to allergic of somthing
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[21:51] <DL1SGP> it may contain bits, but no bits of nuts, though it could be nuts to offer virtual cake
[21:52] <N2NXZ> what was the link for Azores web radio?Someone gave it to me Tuesday...
[21:52] <Upu> RCForb or something
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[21:54] <N2NXZ> closer...it googles online remotes
[21:55] <DL1SGP> Goof Afternoon N2NXZ and thanks for the update Anthony
[21:55] <N2NXZ> hello
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[22:13] <N2NXZ> wish I was on the other side to listen...feel helpless over here
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[22:37] <Brian_DK> Jedas the storm just gave some snow here, so you got it comming, lol
[22:39] <fsphil> we had snow earlier, all melted now
[22:39] <Brian_DK> you could have keept rest of it for all i care :-)
[22:40] <Brian_DK> oh Mandela died, rip
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[22:44] <Brian_DK> N2NXZ 3 there is 3 transmitter on the flight?
[22:45] <N2NXZ> 4 to start
[22:46] <Brian_DK> i see. what type of antenna is on 10m?
[22:46] <N2NXZ> 434.550, 434.445 28.219(beacon) and aprs 144.8
[22:46] <N2NXZ> magnet wire dipole
[22:47] <Brian_DK> what information does the 10m transmit?
[22:47] <N2NXZ> N2NXZ/BLN/6
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[22:47] <Brian_DK> ok thanks
[22:47] <N2NXZ> 10 wpm or 15 wom...forgot with 10 second pause
[22:48] <N2NXZ> may have a slight warp to characters...this one for whatever reason had a slight chirp to it
[22:48] <N2NXZ> easier o ID :0
[22:50] <Brian_DK> lets hope we hear it tomorrow
[22:50] <N2NXZ> tested one of the beacons here on my beam...made it to Texas from NY...but was really weak
[22:51] <N2NXZ> not bad for a single 2n2222 transistor
[22:53] <N2NXZ> Not as pretty as UPU transmitters for sure > http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/N2NXZ/QRP/Balloon%20beacon/High%20Altitude/DSCF0146_zps60333c80.jpg
[22:54] <Brian_DK> with a good e-skip it will go very far
[22:54] <N2NXZ> One thing for sure...they can drop from high altitude and still work!!
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[22:55] <N2NXZ> yes...good prop needed for sure,but line of site on a balloon even more imprssive
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[22:57] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb: I am glad. It must have been internal saturation.
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[22:59] <N2NXZ> May as well share this last photo...me likes the upu payload graphics :) http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/N2NXZ/QRP/Balloon%20beacon/High%20Altitude/DSCF0164_zps6878e0b6.jpg
[23:00] <LeoBodnar> cool! Will it float on the water?
[23:00] <N2NXZ> shame may be floating in salt water :(
[23:01] <N2NXZ> styrofoam...sealed up with kitchen bath adhesive
[23:01] <N2NXZ> both containers with notes...in zip locks
[23:01] <LeoBodnar> might still get rescued
[23:02] <LeoBodnar> I assume balloon will still be inflated when payload hits the ocean surface
[23:02] <N2NXZ> last launch was found,wet and opened on the ground...they came back and work with the same batteries
[23:02] <N2NXZ> no idea
[23:03] <LeoBodnar> hehe
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[23:03] <N2NXZ> iam sure it would look intersting on a beach
[23:03] <N2NXZ> now a fishnet buoy
[23:04] <LeoBodnar> Do sailor routinely expect strange objects at sea or just carry on sailing as if nothing happened?
[23:04] <N2NXZ> i would...lol
[23:04] <LeoBodnar> *inspect
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[23:20] <Brian_DK> night all
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