highaltitude.log.20131204

[00:00] <eroomde> measure everything
[00:00] <eroomde> the most important thing at least is to get throat pressure and propellant massflow
[00:00] <Lowerstoford> This rocket is designed to fly on environmentally friendly fuel and will be use to photograph nature reserves for a UK wildlife charity and will be used for educational purposes, for schools and clubs.
[00:00] <eroomde> with that (and throat area) you can calculate C* - C-star - characteristic exhaust velocity
[00:01] <N2NXZ> holding 434.547.48 @ 1600 hz
[00:01] <eroomde> which is the basic parameter for ho well a rocket engine is performing
[00:02] <Lowerstoford> umm... my 7 year old has just come down stairs, she thinks its the morning???!!!
[00:02] <eroomde> i remember doing that once when about that age
[00:02] <eroomde> bodyclock was a disaster
[00:02] <eroomde> parents were still having dinner
[00:02] <eroomde> i thought they were having breakfast
[00:04] <eroomde> i'm off to bed
[00:04] <eroomde> good luck Lowerstoford
[00:04] <eroomde> ping me with rocket questions if you want
[00:04] <eroomde> it's now my business
[00:05] <Lowerstoford> eroomde: I will if you don't mind
[00:05] <eroomde> not at all
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[00:06] <Lowerstoford> your business? nice! you wait until you see my flight computer
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[00:06] <eroomde> it was a hobby but it got carried away
[00:07] <eroomde> what's your flight computer like?
[00:08] <N2NXZ> sAME FREQUENCY...HOLDIN AS LAST REPORT
[00:08] <Lowerstoford> The whole system, including Pad and launch controller in fully automated, the rocket is a scale of the F9 and the ground software and on-board computer use the same launch procedure as the F9.
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[00:09] <N2NXZ> 10 meter beacon barely heard on 28.219.81
[00:09] <Lowerstoford> We still have a lot more work to do on this but the rocket can launch its self if we wish
[00:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Very weak signal on NY GT Reciever
[00:09] <eroomde> nice
[00:09] <eroomde> yes having all the sequencing automated is very sensible
[00:10] <kb1tce_> Moved to my comfy chair....will go back to the shack every now and then to check.
[00:10] <eroomde> humans aren't fast enough or repeatable enough
[00:10] <N2NXZ> someone around here deliberatley keying on 10m
[00:10] <N2NXZ> i knew i never told locals
[00:10] <N2NXZ> never should have told locals in rochester
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[00:11] <kb1tce_> That sucks
[00:11] <Lowerstoford> yes, on a planned abort test, with me on a hold down switch the rocket aborts almost a second before I react
[00:12] <N2NXZ> retuned 434.546.88 @ 1700 hz
[00:12] <N2NXZ> almost can catch one decode yet
[00:12] <eroomde> logging stuff is as important
[00:12] <eroomde> probably more important
[00:13] <N2NXZ> can still catch n2nxz-1 and most of the data...just not enough
[00:13] <Laurenceb_> its still transmitting?
[00:13] <Laurenceb_> any APRS?
[00:14] <N2NXZ> still @ 1600 hz
[00:15] <kb1tce_> Do you have another launch planned for anytime in the near future? If so, I'll put a beam up.
[00:15] <N2NXZ> barely audible and lightly seen on waterfall
[00:15] <Lowerstoford> logging: 2 x 32Gb micro SD openlog + 433 radio link to ground server + 434 radio link (poss)
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[00:15] <Laurenceb_> the falcon 9 footage was insane
[00:15] <N2NXZ> me?
[00:15] <Laurenceb_> i wonder what camera rig they used
[00:15] <Laurenceb_> looked really crisp
[00:15] <N2NXZ> i need to get one
[00:15] <Laurenceb_> - footage from the ground
[00:16] <N2NXZ> hoping kb1tce can grab this signal soon...losing it eventually
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[00:16] <kb1tce_> I've got one in the basement - just never had a real use for one.
[00:17] <kb1tce_> Any guess as to where it might be? Seems like it should be getting near to Schenectady.
[00:17] <N2NXZ> 1400 hz
[00:17] <N2NXZ> thinking you may catch it soon...
[00:18] <N2NXZ> klast position...sout syracuse
[00:19] <N2NXZ> my keyboard is terribly sticky...lol
[00:19] <N2NXZ> kids
[00:19] <obcuz> NXZ - Jim, hi, been keeping a lookout on remote SDR (Mass+Maine) for the 10m, but nothing.
[00:20] <N2NXZ> very faint yet,nearing 1300 hz on 434.546.80
[00:20] <kb1tce_> We get cheap keyboards and keep a few in reserve for when they get crapped up.
[00:20] <N2NXZ> we go through a lot
[00:20] <N2NXZ> always a spill
[00:20] <N2NXZ> 1250 hz
[00:21] <N2NXZ> about 3 hours in the air...i lost track
[00:21] <kb1tce_> I'm relaying the freq info to the other two.
[00:21] <N2NXZ> ok
[00:21] <N2NXZ> i`ll keep them coming in
[00:22] <N2NXZ> going to tune it to 1500 and give freq now
[00:22] <gonzo___> when changing dsks at work, it's not uncommon to replace the keyboard and mouse.
[00:22] <gonzo___> there are some who seem to leave a trail of binned keyboards behind them. And don't get the hint!
[00:22] <N2NXZ> 434.546.50 @ 1500 hz
[00:22] <kb1tce_> Used this as an excuse to get my wife to walk the dog tonight.
[00:23] <N2NXZ> i like the really old kybrds...build way better
[00:23] <N2NXZ> lol
[00:23] <N2NXZ> we need solid data
[00:24] <DL1SGP> get your kids the 5 bucks folio ones that can be rolled up. easy to clean :)
[00:24] <N2NXZ> an altitude would be great right now
[00:24] <DL1SGP> heh as long as you hear it, it is in air :)
[00:24] <N2NXZ> walmart 8$ lol
[00:24] <N2NXZ> 1400
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[00:24] <RadSurfer> Greetings E@rthlings. :)
[00:25] <DL1SGP> anyhow, gonna call it a day here, be safe and good luck :)
[00:25] <N2NXZ> u2
[00:25] <N2NXZ> ]check your backyard tomorrow
[00:25] <N2NXZ> 1300
[00:26] <DL1SGP> that would be a bit unlikely but I gonna check 10m :)
[00:27] <Lowerstoford> Good Luck N2NXZ, night all
[00:27] <N2NXZ> good night...
[00:28] <N2NXZ> almost to 1200 hz
[00:28] <N2NXZ> obcuz...soprry ,i am bouncing from pc to pc...thanks for listening
[00:29] <N2NXZ> sorry i miss some of you on here,i get confused and going from pc to pc i lose track even more
[00:29] <obcuz> No worries
[00:30] <N2NXZ> i see the tracker resteart and the effects it has on shifting with restart
[00:30] <N2NXZ> climbing back up again...
[00:30] <N2NXZ> almost rapidly
[00:31] <N2NXZ> no luck on remoteradios?
[00:31] <N2NXZ> i amy be on global tuners before long
[00:31] <N2NXZ> may
[00:31] <N2NXZ> back to 1200 hz
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[00:32] <N2NXZ> 434.546.50
[00:32] <craag> 70cm tracker not working well? or just too weak?
[00:32] <N2NXZ> looks to shift quicker back and forth
[00:32] <RadSurfer> UHF tends to be line of sight: need a good directional antenna.
[00:32] <N2NXZ> 1100 to 1200
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[00:33] <N2NXZ> yes i do...next time
[00:33] <RadSurfer> if its higher freq, then even more so.
[00:33] <craag> RadSurfer: I track them here in the UK with a 1/4 wave :)
[00:33] <N2NXZ> this was not really aplanned flight for 434 mhz
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[00:33] <N2NXZ> originally 144.39
[00:33] <RadSurfer> coming down from over your head, does make it easier,yes
[00:34] <RadSurfer> point remains: higher freq, usually more directional beam is.
[00:34] <N2NXZ> i have to say this radio shack discone works pretty good for 25$
[00:34] <RadSurfer> for some things perhaps.
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[00:34] <N2NXZ> i need a 70cm beam
[00:35] <RadSurfer> there are blueprints available to attempt your own.
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[00:35] <N2NXZ> 1000 hz
[00:35] <RadSurfer> How about a helical-round variety? :-)
[00:35] <SpeedEvil> Discone alwas sounded to me like a B-movie baddy.
[00:35] <craag> A white-stick colinear can work suprisingly well.
[00:35] <craag> We have a station at the uni here tracks from beyond the blue circle with a small white-stick.
[00:35] <N2NXZ> i have a helical...for weather sats...only for 137 mhz tho...works great tho
[00:36] <RadSurfer> I think also, a lot depends on quality of the receiver...
[00:36] <N2NXZ> starting to go to 900 hz...better retune...
[00:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nothing doing on the NY GT receiver. I've got to get some shut-eye anyway
[00:36] <RadSurfer> I would imagine it would.
[00:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good luck guys!
[00:36] <N2NXZ> tnx...thankls for listening
[00:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> np
[00:36] <craag> Yeah, rtlsdrs don't do well. Uni station has an ft817.
[00:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> GN
[00:37] <N2NXZ> 434.546.00
[00:37] <craag> Gn Steve_G0TDJ
[00:37] <N2NXZ> 1400 hz
[00:37] <N2NXZ> 73
[00:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> GN Phil
[00:37] <kb1tce_> KB1UTD just called. He thought he picked you up but the freq was way low and continuous tone. About 434.539. Are you beaconing about every 2 mins?
[00:37] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ -> Steve_G0TDJ_AFK
[00:38] <N2NXZ> the 434.546.00 ?
[00:38] <N2NXZ> or 28 mhz
[00:39] <N2NXZ> 10 meter beacon is every 10 seconds N2NXZ/BLN/6 @ about 15 wpm
[00:39] <kb1tce_> By "white stick" is that like a Diamond or Comet vertical? I'm using a Comet comm'l antenna but it's tuned for xmit at 460 MHz. Should be close enough for receive. Gain is about 9 dB.
[00:39] <RadSurfer> unfortunately, most table top scanners take 434.546, and round up to .550 :(
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[00:40] <kb1tce_> Yes, the -1 on 70 cm. He was dialing around to see if he could hear something and that was it.
[00:40] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/408030622708678657/photo/1/large
[00:40] <kb1tce_> I got him back up to 434.546.5
[00:40] <RadSurfer> .539 becomes .537
[00:40] <RadSurfer> .5375
[00:41] <craag> kb1tce_: Yeah, the [6]/2/70 colinears you can get. That'll be just fine for rx. 9dB is probably a good compromise, of course the gain helps you out at the horizon, but if the payload goes overhead you can lose it completely in the null on the higher-gain versions!
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[00:41] <RadSurfer> whats a nice economical open-tuner receiver? not locked into specific freqs?
[00:41] <N2NXZ> 434.546.00 @ 1200 hz
[00:42] <N2NXZ> hope he can get it enough to track !!
[00:42] <N2NXZ> almost 1100 hz now
[00:43] <N2NXZ> still 434.546.00
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[00:43] <N2NXZ> so so so weak now
[00:44] <kb1tce_> Hopefully we'll pick it up in Maine soon.
[00:45] <craag> RadSurfer: Depends on your budget?
[00:45] <N2NXZ> ]me too !!
[00:45] <N2NXZ> 1000 hz now
[00:45] <RadSurfer> <$200
[00:45] <N2NXZ> you said he may be hearing it?
[00:45] <N2NXZ> continuous rtty
[00:46] <kb1tce_> What do you use for batteries?
[00:46] <N2NXZ> Lithium AA in paralell
[00:46] <kb1tce_> No, he was hearing a tone at around 434.539
[00:46] <N2NXZ> 2 aa
[00:47] <kb1tce_> That's all?
[00:47] <N2NXZ> 434.546.00 950 hz
[00:47] <craag> RadSurfer: Ok, probably a decent scanner off ebay might be best.
[00:47] <N2NXZ> 100 hrs
[00:47] <craag> I recently invested in the Funcube Pro Plus USB dongle, and it's replaced all my receivers. Does mean I'm tied to the PC/laptop though.
[00:48] <kb1tce_> Impressive
[00:48] <N2NXZ> still 950 hz...afraid to move the dial and lose it
[00:48] <N2NXZ> these transmitters are very incrediable...i was shocked when anthony m0upu sent them here...very nice gadgets for sure
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[00:49] <kb1tce_> KB1UTD looked them up. He spends more for beer in a week than the xmtr costs.
[00:50] <N2NXZ> theother was a dula tracker sharing GPS for the 144.8 aprs and same as this one we are listening for...6AA lithiums 3 pairs series then 3 paralelled
[00:50] <N2NXZ> lol
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[00:50] <N2NXZ> 800 hz now
[00:51] <N2NXZ> let me tune so it is 1500 again
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[00:51] <N2NXZ> 434.545.30 @ 1500 hz
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[00:52] <kb1tce_> Going up to the shack again to check
[00:52] <N2NXZ> i can see the signal on the waterfall ok...just not enough to read data
[00:52] <N2NXZ> ok
[00:52] <obcuz> Nothing from the 10m bcn into remote SDR's, have now vacated the shack - too cold...
[00:52] <N2NXZ> lol
[00:52] <N2NXZ> good try
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[00:53] <N2NXZ> it was nice today...especially for launch...only 2 of us managed the task
[00:53] <obcuz> will fall asleep soon - anybody estimated the postion?
[00:53] <N2NXZ> glad we launch near night time
[00:54] <N2NXZ> last know was syracuse ny...that was a long time ago...looked like is was nearing NYC
[00:54] <N2NXZ> 1400 hz now
[00:54] <kb1tce_> Nothing yet.
[00:54] <N2NXZ> darn
[00:54] <N2NXZ> i was hoping
[00:55] <N2NXZ> 1400 hz and 434.545.3
[00:55] <N2NXZ> nearing 1300 hz now
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[00:56] <N2NXZ> cranking the volume in hopes to grab one more track
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[00:57] <N2NXZ> too bad we could not find others on the east coast
[00:57] <obcuz> It's fanatastic that you can still hear it after 3hr+
[00:57] <N2NXZ> i know
[00:57] <mikec> n2nxz kb1utd will monitor also
[00:57] <N2NXZ> heard my 10m beacon for 5.5 hours on one launch
[00:58] <kb1tce_> NYC? That's pretty southward, no?
[00:58] <N2NXZ> great...we need all we can get now
[00:58] <obcuz> It should be possible to estimate the position with math?
[00:58] <N2NXZ> my discone sets on tiop of the 10m beam..maybe it helps a bit
[00:58] <kb1tce_> Hi mikec! How it up in Palermo?
[00:59] <N2NXZ> 1200 hz
[00:59] <kb1tce_> The projected track on the map (no idea how accurate that is) was showing it headed more toward Albany.
[00:59] <mikec> quiet just downloaded the temptations pych. soul album off itunes
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[01:00] <N2NXZ> lol
[01:01] <N2NXZ> climbing towards 1300 again
[01:01] <N2NXZ> almost completely gone
[01:02] <N2NXZ> no way to get usable data here anymore
[01:02] <N9XTN> N2NXZ - are you hearing signals but not decoding?
[01:02] <kb1tce_> Pretty good!
[01:03] <N2NXZ> too weak...rtty
[01:03] <kb1tce_> Can you use other modes?
[01:03] <N2NXZ> i would try another decoder...but which one for this foramt?
[01:03] <N2NXZ> i would like one with psk31
[01:04] <N2NXZ> 1100
[01:04] <kb1tce_> Not sure - would have to see the specs. We use Olivia 8/500 a lot but it's too wide and your power density would go down.
[01:05] <craag> We've had a lot of luck with DominoEX16 recently in the UK
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[01:05] <kb1tce_> That's a great mode. Haven't used it much.
[01:06] <N9XTN> WB8ELK has also used Domino (not sure which variant) on balloon flights with good success on UHF
[01:06] <N2NXZ> super weak..barealy audible
[01:07] <kb1tce_> Is it holding freq now?
[01:07] <N2NXZ> excuse my typing...moving in a chair with wheels all over here
[01:07] <N2NXZ> lookslike 1100 still...good to know
[01:07] <N2NXZ> 434.545.30 yet
[01:08] <kb1tce_> Heading back to the shack to check.
[01:08] <craag> gn all! Good luck with the flight, the fact that it is getting slowly and steadily weaker means it's still in the air!
[01:08] <N2NXZ> tnx craag..have a good eve
[01:08] <N2NXZ> yes...weaker means good things
[01:09] <Lunar_Lander> night!
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[01:10] <N2NXZ> just about 1000 hz now
[01:10] <N2NXZ> last know was 32000 ft or so
[01:10] <SIbot> In real units: 32000 ft = 10 km
[01:11] <N2NXZ> solid 1000 hz
[01:11] <N2NXZ> nice bot calcualtor :)
[01:12] <kb1tce> Nothing yet
[01:12] <N2NXZ> crap
[01:13] <N2NXZ> i can see the rtty signal...just need a bit more antenna gain
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[01:13] <N2NXZ> i forgot what time it left the ground...has to be at least 3.5 or more hours?
[01:14] <teakayess> Still hearing it?
[01:14] <N2NXZ> just a tad under 1000 hz
[01:14] <N2NXZ> barely
[01:14] <N2NXZ> not enough to collect data
[01:15] <teakayess> Any tracking/alt?
[01:15] <obcuz> are you recording the audio?
[01:16] <N2NXZ> lol...funny you mention it,just clicked record
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[01:16] <obcuz> I was thinking you could post process it
[01:16] <N2NXZ> got to record more...brb...950 hz
[01:18] <N2NXZ> good thing i recorded that much...really going away now
[01:19] <teakayess> How much nozzle lift this time?
[01:19] <N2NXZ> looks like that was the last recording i can get...last freq 434.545.30 @ 950 hz
[01:19] <N2NXZ> bits and pieces and thats it
[01:20] <N2NXZ> payload was 417.5g with 447 neck lift...a bit more
[01:21] <N2NXZ> with relief tube
[01:21] <N2NXZ> volume cranked up,can still see a trace
[01:22] <N2NXZ> actually,getting stronf=ger again...holy cats :)
[01:23] <teakayess> No propagation at 434mhz, must still be local.
[01:23] <N2NXZ> and very high...lol
[01:23] <kb1tce_> Nothing yet here
[01:23] <N2NXZ> darn again
[01:23] <teakayess> not enough gas to be too awful high.
[01:24] <kb1tce_> I keep seeing RTTY like things on the waterfall but then I blink and it's gone. :-(
[01:24] <N2NXZ> the NYC global tuner RX recieve 434 mhz usb?
[01:24] <N2NXZ> i hope the next blink...it is very much there...lol
[01:25] <N2NXZ> i think it is a goner now for me
[01:25] <kb1tce_> Was the freq/center still holding
[01:25] <N2NXZ> so weak with volume up
[01:25] <N2NXZ> 900 hz
[01:25] <N2NXZ> 434.545.30
[01:26] <kb1tce_> OK, I'll diown a bit so as to move it up the waterfall.
[01:26] <N2NXZ> i see it again...only right side of signal tho...900
[01:27] <N2NXZ> 434.545.0 1200 hz
[01:28] <kb1tce_> mikec - kb1utd - you seeing anything yet?
[01:28] <kb1tce_> That's where I'm at
[01:28] <N2NXZ> i see it if i really turn the volume up
[01:29] <mikec> kb1tce i'm stitting at 434.542
[01:29] <N2NXZ> ?
[01:29] <N2NXZ> maybe it will drift down on waterfall
[01:29] <kb1tce_> 434.542??
[01:29] <mikec> should show on the waterfall upper end correct
[01:30] <N2NXZ> good idea :)
[01:30] <kb1tce_> OK
[01:30] <N2NXZ> yes
[01:30] <N2NXZ> sorry,i was having a blank moment...quite an experiment
[01:30] <kb1tce_> Unless it drifts up.....
[01:30] <N2NXZ> hope not...you would think you would hear it by now tho
[01:30] <mikec> i'll move to .543
[01:31] <N2NXZ> i do not see it at all anymore
[01:31] <N2NXZ> cant ell,there are some lines there from something else too
[01:35] <mikec> kb1tce where are you sitting on freq
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[01:37] <N2NXZ> ok...i heard it again...434.545.00 @ 1100 hz
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[01:37] <N2NXZ> hey bill
[01:37] <mikec> i'll move back up
[01:37] <N2NXZ> any luck?
[01:37] <va3xcd> are you still hearing it Jim?
[01:38] <N2NXZ> barely and i mean barely
[01:38] <N2NXZ> no tracking data usable since syracue
[01:38] <va3xcd> Nothing on this end at all. I have been switching between digi and 28.219
[01:38] <va3xcd> BTW....Hi Everyone. Name is Bill
[01:38] <N2NXZ> i think i still hear it audibly and see it on waterfall...434.545.00 1000hz
[01:39] <teakayess> Hi Bill.
[01:39] <N2NXZ> lol
[01:39] <N2NXZ> i like the name chis
[01:39] <N2NXZ> chris
[01:39] <teakayess> I wondered if you would figure it out!
[01:39] <va3xcd> I dont get it..... LOL.
[01:40] <teakayess> Not surprising.
[01:40] <va3xcd> Oh...now I do <facepalm>
[01:40] <va3xcd> Watch it you non-drunk.....
[01:40] <N2NXZ> moved to 544.80
[01:40] <va3xcd> LOL
[01:41] <teakayess> Ha ha. only once a week drunk!
[01:41] <N2NXZ> waiting for it to appear near Maine...only hope for us in USA
[01:41] <N2NXZ> LOL
[01:42] <N2NXZ> i need a drink now...
[01:42] <va3xcd> I ran a vid capture of the tracker screen Jim so I have video of it
[01:42] <teakayess> I'm an odd drunk. Only drink 1,3,5 or 7 days a week.
[01:42] <va3xcd> Not an exciting video by any means though LOL
[01:43] <N2NXZ> caught a bit just now...434.544.80 @ 1200 hz...even stronger now...
[01:43] <teakayess> Any decodes?
[01:43] <va3xcd> Any idea where it is Jim?
[01:43] <N2NXZ> thats it,,,it jusy wont quit...did chris or bill bring anything to drink...i need one
[01:43] <kb1tce> Maybe it's coming back to you? I could swear I almost see and hear something but way to weak.
[01:43] <N2NXZ> lol
[01:44] <N2NXZ> if i vcan copy it yet...you should soon
[01:44] <kb1tce> Dirigo!!!
[01:44] <va3xcd> I dont have anything to drink Jim....unless you want wadka
[01:44] <N2NXZ> last knowbill was syracuse...thinking NYC?
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[01:44] <N2NXZ> THIS KEYBOARD SUCK BIG TIME
[01:44] <N2NXZ> MISSING LETTERS AND SPACE BAR NO WORKY
[01:45] <N2NXZ> gotta bang on it i think
[01:45] <va3xcd> then how do you get spaces .....NM...you answered me hahahaha
[01:45] <N2NXZ> lisol would do right now
[01:45] <va3xcd> dont force it, get a bigger hammer
[01:45] <obcuz> Its getting late 1.45AM, will check in in morning to see what happened, good luck & night, now zzzz
[01:45] <N2NXZ> yup...definately sdeeing it yet
[01:45] <va3xcd> lisol.....is your breath that bad?
[01:45] <N2NXZ> 1200 hz and holding on 434.544.8
[01:45] <va3xcd> :)
[01:46] <N2NXZ> ha ha
[01:46] <va3xcd> too bad you cant get a pos rep for it....im curious to know where it is. What was with the huge zig zag at the beginning?
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[01:47] <va3xcd> im trying to remember my IRC commands.....been ages since I used it
[01:47] <N2NXZ> i guess a server glitch...someone was also piping in APRS data on google aprs
[01:48] <N2NXZ> wonder if the track is still there?
[01:48] <va3xcd> where? On spacenear?
[01:48] <N2NXZ> moving towards 1200 again
[01:48] <N2NXZ> no...aprs
[01:48] <N2NXZ> google
[01:49] <N2NXZ> cant believe still seeing traces of signal yet
[01:49] <N2NXZ> bathroom...brb
[01:50] <kb1tce> Still nothing kb1utd mikec - you still hanging in?
[01:50] <va3xcd> im wondering how you can hear it so well and I hear bubkis
[01:51] <va3xcd> ?
[01:51] <mikec> still there steve, yet nothing, will run out of liquid soon
[01:51] <N2NXZ> RS discone baby
[01:51] <N2NXZ> nothing in Maine yet?
[01:52] <mikec> none heard at kb1utd
[01:52] <va3xcd> any way of projecting its position? My maths are not that good
[01:53] <N2NXZ> my math is spent
[01:53] <N2NXZ> in more ways than one,especially the math in my pockets
[01:54] <N2NXZ> looks like 1150 hz
[01:54] <mikec> n2nxz what did you use for a transmitter ?
[01:54] <N2NXZ> did a screen shot...probably the last
[01:55] <N2NXZ> which one?10m crytal oscillator,or the 2 transmitters M0UPU sent ...still know little about those yet
[01:55] <mikec> 2 transmitters
[01:55] <N2NXZ> 4 transmitters total...one failed just before launch
[01:55] <va3xcd> Those M0UPU tx look like really cool little units
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[01:56] <N2NXZ> they were cool...glad to have had them for a day
[01:56] <va3xcd> LOL. Thats true. One thing....they seem to work really well
[01:57] <N2NXZ> can see a small trace of signal yet...with volume high...
[01:57] <N2NXZ> 1050 hz
[01:57] <va3xcd> did teakayess pass out?
[01:58] <kb1tce_> Still say it's heading back to you.
[01:58] <N2NXZ> WAKE UP !!!
[01:58] <N2NXZ> probably are coming back...maybe to Bills QTH
[01:58] <va3xcd> maybe this one will end up in the same place the last one did. Wouldnt that be odd?
[01:58] <N2NXZ> that would be cool
[01:59] <N2NXZ> i think in Europe...:)
[01:59] <kb1tce_> I presume the finder is sending it back to you....
[01:59] <N2NXZ> we hope
[01:59] <N2NXZ> the last finder already has it sent
[02:00] <N2NXZ> i am definately seeing it still
[02:00] <va3xcd> Good luck Jim.....keep me posted if you can. Heading to bed here.
[02:01] <kb1tce_> Is the GPS/altimeter/temp a commercial package of some sort that attaches to the transmitter?
[02:01] <N2NXZ> ok bill...tnx for the efforts...needed all we could get on this...
[02:02] <va3xcd> sorry I couldnt be more involved Jim. Next time (I know there will be one LOL)
[02:02] <va3xcd> after all, you are a balloonatic now :)
[02:02] <N2NXZ> i know very little about the trackers,was fortunate to get to use them thanks to Anthony...they came here yesterday and I had never touch or saw one in my life,hated to send them off,looked so good
[02:03] <N2NXZ> balloonatic i am !!
[02:03] <va3xcd> cya
[02:03] <N2NXZ> cya
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[02:04] <N2NXZ> good news...still seing on waterfall with volume cranked,but seems to be steady at 1050 hz 434.544.80
[02:04] <kb1tce_> I've seen some telemetry packages for rockets but not for balloons. Since there isn't much east of Maine except for Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, seems like some simple balloon lauches would be interesting.
[02:04] <kb1tce_> Going back to the shack to check.
[02:05] <N2NXZ> ok
[02:06] <N2NXZ> doing screen shots of waterfall for keepsake
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[02:08] <N2NXZ> lost everyone...
[02:09] <N2NXZ> Cahris...you vanished too
[02:09] <N2NXZ> chris
[02:09] <mikec> still here jim, will step out for 10 min.
[02:09] <N2NXZ> ok...nothing seen for a bitif it does,i will post last waterfaqll
[02:10] <N2NXZ> i need to take a break too a minute..
[02:10] <N2NXZ> thinking i see it on 900 hz...but not sure yet
[02:11] <teakayess> I'm back
[02:12] <N2NXZ> hey
[02:12] <mikec> believe i just saw a marker bit around 850 at 544.80
[02:12] <teakayess> Sorry I disappeared, my daughter stopped by.
[02:13] <N2NXZ> MAY BE...IT IS HEARD HEAR NOT BAD 434.544.50 @ 1150 HZ
[02:13] <N2NXZ> no problem...bill left
[02:14] <N2NXZ> try 1100 now
[02:14] <mikec> will be back in 10
[02:14] <N2NXZ> doing screenshots...so bare with me
[02:16] <N2NXZ> so chris...the picaxe08m2`s work great and I use the same program you sent me...just added a 6.,..lol
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[02:16] <N2NXZ> ruined one so far...
[02:16] <teakayess> How'd you do that?
[02:17] <N2NXZ> i do not use sockets...and tore one out and ruined it
[02:17] <kb1tce> Firefox crashed. Back here now.
[02:17] <N2NXZ> it may be in the box...should see if it is fixable
[02:17] <teakayess> Sockets cost a dime.
[02:18] <N2NXZ> i saw u vanish
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[02:18] <N2NXZ> lol
[02:18] <N2NXZ> i am cheap...it is the shipping that kills
[02:18] <N2NXZ> nothing seen anymore here
[02:19] <N2NXZ> last copy 434.544.50 @ 1150 HZ
[02:19] <teakayess> Did you ever get a decode on altitude?
[02:19] <N2NXZ> if i knew exactly the time it left and made syracuse,we could get a figure
[02:20] <N2NXZ> yes...32000 ft
[02:20] <SIbot> In real units: 32000 ft = 10 km
[02:20] <kb1tce> It took a detour across the lake
[02:20] <N2NXZ> actually closer to 32,600 something
[02:20] <teakayess> How much time before it was at that height?
[02:21] <N2NXZ> 3 hours or under
[02:21] <N2NXZ> tracking was only from my qth...hoping to make contact in Maine
[02:21] <teakayess> Hmm, that's plenty long to achieve float.
[02:22] <N2NXZ> it showed the ascent rate too...i wonder where i can retrieve the data?
[02:22] <teakayess> APRS?
[02:22] <N2NXZ> no...on the spacenear.us tracker
[02:22] <kb1tce> It was ascending through 30,000 ft at about 1.5 m/s
[02:22] <SIbot> In real units: 30,000 ft = 9 km
[02:22] <N2NXZ> check it out...not working well here,still seen on the map i think
[02:23] <N2NXZ> good...glad someone was looking
[02:23] <N2NXZ> i had a heck of a time getting on the map here...would not load the tracking data
[02:24] <N2NXZ> then the glitch sent it over to canada for a moment
[02:26] <N2NXZ> chris...you check the tracking map?i still see the info...even the one that never left the ground...lol
[02:26] <N2NXZ> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[02:27] <N2NXZ> now the windows appear...geez
[02:28] <N2NXZ> looking at the map and thinking maybe in the areas of saratoga springs?
[02:30] <N2NXZ> if it is still heading easterly...i expect you guys will hear it in the next 30 minutes
[02:30] <N2NXZ> if we are awake then
[02:30] <N2NXZ> i wll be...
[02:31] <N2NXZ> do not know,but see an occasional signal on 900 hz
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[02:31] <kb1tce> The problem is that the radio is making noise like a rushing brook.....very restful......
[02:32] <kb1tce> What's your dial?
[02:32] <N2NXZ> 434.544.50
[02:33] <N2NXZ> i turned audio off at speakers,but still enabled at waterfall...i was tired of the noise too
[02:34] <N2NXZ> glad i save all the partial dtata strings for opicing it together
[02:35] <mikec> at 434.543.9 i have a fairly good blue line at 990 and 1490 on the waterfall but i'm not seeing any markers at 2 min. intervals
[02:35] <N2NXZ> guessing nearest to 900 hz now
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[02:36] <N2NXZ> using yaesu radios?
[02:36] <mikec> will move the beam some more, yes ft897
[02:36] <N2NXZ> same here
[02:37] <mikec> filter issue?
[02:38] <N2NXZ> i was told we launched at 4:30 pm
[02:38] <N2NXZ> 5 hours in the air now...hmmm
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[02:39] <N2NXZ> really hope something shows up with you guys soon
[02:39] <N2NXZ> filter issue...i missed that
[02:40] <N2NXZ> iwould say from other launches,the balloon would be near border of NY soon
[02:41] <N2NXZ> maybe took a turn we do not know about...suspense
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[02:47] <kb1tce> Definitely seeing something at 434.544.30 at 900 Hz. I think. Sounds like RTTY but I only see one side. Nothing higher up.
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[02:47] <n2nxz> Had to reset page
[02:47] <kb1tce> Definitely seeing something at 434.544.30 at 900 Hz. I think. Sounds like RTTY but I only see one side. Nothing higher up.
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[02:48] <n2nxz> i bet that is it...when i was losing the signal...could only see the right side the beast
[02:48] <n2nxz> best
[02:49] <n2nxz> keep an eye on that one
[02:50] <kb1tce> This appears to be the left side. Whatever that means.
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[02:51] <n2nxz> you would see 2 marks for rtty separated like your markers...see if anything lines up
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[02:51] <n2nxz> that would be the best...especially if it was and we get data again
[02:52] <n2nxz> i wll let you keep working on that...just type and I will be here
[02:53] <kb1tce> Just seeing one side. It's faded now.
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[02:54] <n2nxz> maybe it is getting closer,doing the same thing here on the way away from me
[02:55] <n2nxz> fingers crossed here
[02:57] <n2nxz> maybe towards boston ...looking at the map and trying to calciualte how far it may have traveled so far
[02:59] <teakayess> Good luck Jim, I gotta run. Talk to you tomorrow.
[02:59] <n2nxz> ok chris...maybe good news in the morning...thanks for stopping in
[03:00] <teakayess> I'll sleep with fingers crossed!
[03:00] <n2nxz> cool deal...me too..if i sleep at all
[03:00] <n2nxz> cya tomorrow,i`ll be here
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[03:02] <n2nxz> 5 hours in the air right now
[03:02] <n2nxz> sorry,bad calculation...geez
[03:02] <mikec> steve still there ?
[03:03] <n2nxz> hope so...maybe he got a fix
[03:03] <n2nxz> by the way,i appreciate you guys doing this stuff
[03:04] <mikec> i can hear the rty just can't pin it , shouldn't i see the marker first ?
[03:04] <n2nxz> 5 hours since last logged in syracuse
[03:04] <n2nxz> you should see the waterfall pairs
[03:05] <kb1tce> I'm here. Mikec - where are you seeing it?
[03:05] <kb1tce> The sound I'm hearing sure sounds like RTTY.
[03:05] <n2nxz> the rtty is continuous..never stops but very rarely brief moments
[03:06] <n2nxz> you should see a pair of lines equal to your waterfall markers
[03:07] <mikec> okay 544.30 and i see the paired lines that fit the rtty50, perfect match just no copy yet, recogize that beautiful sound from running the nets
[03:07] <n2nxz> did you select browse in the menu under flight and choose n2nxz-1 n2nxz-2 and then auto config/save /close...that sets it to our mode
[03:08] <n2nxz> ok...good deal...
[03:08] <n2nxz> great news here...hope it gets strong enough to read data
[03:09] <n2nxz> i`ll stand by...nothing to eat all day,going to get something in me nowwhile watching chat
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[03:09] <n2nxz> i`ll stand by...nothing to eat all day,going to get something in me now while watching chat
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[03:10] <kb1tce__> Got kicked out again. Mikec - what freq are you hearing the RTTY sound on?
[03:10] <mikec> 543.5 steve centered at 1445
[03:10] <mikec> have both lines solid now
[03:10] <n2nxz> yee hAWW !!!!
[03:11] <mikec> just quit sending with a quick tone
[03:11] <n2nxz> lock on to that thing...lol
[03:11] <n2nxz> itwill do that peridically and resume
[03:11] <mikec> resending now again
[03:12] <n2nxz> u got it!
[03:12] <n2nxz> reading data yet?
[03:12] <mikec> just got my first bad checksum won't be long now
[03:12] <n2nxz> cool
[03:13] <n2nxz> you may 5 hours of no sleep...kidding
[03:13] <n2nxz> go ahead and work it...eating here,well needed
[03:13] <mikec> reading data n2nxz-1 should get a reading soon
[03:14] <n2nxz> yahooooooo
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[03:14] <kb1tce__> I have two solid lines but they are at 1100 and 1550 - too wide for RTTY-50. That's with dial at 543.5
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[03:15] <n2nxz> check the browse and select out balloon in list,then auto config...should put your markers proper
[03:16] <n2nxz> select n2nxz-1...etc...auto config and you will work
[03:16] <n2nxz> they do not line up perfectly,just focus on the right side line up
[03:17] <n2nxz> once you get a good string going..see how it goes
[03:17] <mikec> bearing 297 distance 144.4 km elevation 9.5
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[03:17] <n2nxz> You got it...North of you guys
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[03:18] <kb1tce__> Yes - you are RTTY-50 which is not quite 200 Hz wide, narrower than the two strings I'm seeing which are 450 wide.
[03:19] <kb1tce__> Great Mike! Exactly where are you on the dian and waterfall?
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[03:21] <n2nxz> 543.5 steve centered at 1445
[03:22] <n2nxz> crap,theserver di it again
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[03:24] <n2nxz> Great job guys...so happy here...keep it going :)
[03:24] <mikec> steve 543.5 50 centered 1413 first good check sum, long wait but worth it, i think i'll have a cold beer. balloon is going over rangely lake
[03:28] <n2nxz> 83,057 ft !!!!
[03:28] <SIbot> In real units: 83,057 ft = 25 km
[03:28] <n2nxz> needs to go a bit lower
[03:28] <kb1tce__> I see it but it's not RTTY-50. The width is more like RTTY-HAB-50 but it's not decoding.
[03:29] <n2nxz> different than your typical rtty 50
[03:29] <kb1tce__> Well, what mode is it?
[03:29] <n2nxz> i will look at my settings
[03:30] <n2nxz> the easiest way to be proper is to selct this balloon launch in BROWSE ,then AUTOCONFIGURE then SAVE /CLOSE
[03:31] <n2nxz> taht will get you on the right spot
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[03:35] <mikec> jim that balloon will pass 15 miles north of me at 25000 meters
[03:36] <n2nxz> that is way cool stuff
[03:36] <n2nxz> you guys are the perfect trackers for this...
[03:36] <kb1tce__> The auto config gives me RTTY 50/500 which looks correct. I was just going by the RTTY 50 default which is 50/170. I'm not decoding however.
[03:36] <n2nxz> how is steve doing?
[03:37] <n2nxz> Mike...what is the frequcy now>?
[03:38] <n2nxz> someone is still piping it into APRS tracking...128 mph @ 83,310
[03:39] <mikec> 543.5 at1381 suspect when it goes directly over i will lose it with a beam btw rtty 50/500 on my end
[03:41] <mikec> 1350 on waterfall
[03:43] <n2nxz> another map glitch
[03:43] <n2nxz> hope it fixes soon
[03:44] <n2nxz> 125 mph???
[03:44] <n2nxz> changing rapidly on the map...
[03:46] <n2nxz> looks like it caught a good flow of air...really going now,vent tube looks to be working too...
[03:47] <kb1tce__> Got a partial decode. N2NXZ-1 2016 03:44:10 44.4141...... and back to garble. But I did get it. Signal is about 4-5 dB s/n
[03:47] <mikec> steve i'm using the 3.21.5 H dl fldigi
[03:51] <mikec> current s/n here about 22db
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[03:53] <n2nxz> just passed route 95 |:)
[03:55] <kb1tce__> Signal's getting quite strong. GUI says I'm uploading telemetry but I don't see the call sign, etc. getting filled in.
[03:55] <n2nxz> it should show soon
[03:55] <kb1tce__> Mike - yup, same here. Just had the wrong mode.
[03:57] <n2nxz> anyone peak at 28.219 yet?
[04:03] <mikec> will have to swing beam around soon, getting drift on freq and occasional bad checksum
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[04:03] <kb1tce__> CW is coming in on 28.219
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[04:08] <mikec> okay had bad check sum moving beam
[04:10] <arko> woah!
[04:10] <arko> nice work!
[04:10] <arko> mikec: n2nxz: kb1tce_: im in los angeles and i dont see many people here from the US
[04:10] <arko> id love to get a contact info for when i do my floater :)
[04:13] <kb1tce__> A little while ago I swapped my commercial UHF antenna for my simple Arrow 2m/440 j-pole and it's coming in gangbusters. Decoding perfectly. Damn - should have done that earlier. Figured that the comm'l, even though tuned higher, would be better on Rx than the j-pole. Hmm.
[04:13] <n2nxz> <kb1tce__> CW is coming in on 28.219...tnx for that report...that beacon circuit works well
[04:14] <n2nxz> i have a listener for the beacon in Greenland
[04:14] <kb1tce__> Arko - my site is midcoastdigiham.belljar.net. Email is at the bottom.
[04:14] <arko> nice!
[04:14] <arko> im arkorobotics.com
[04:14] <n2nxz> you guys see the tracking station in Bermuda?
[04:15] <mikec> had to shut computer down will restart and continue trying to track
[04:15] <n2nxz> just popped up
[04:15] <n2nxz> ok
[04:15] <kb1tce__> Bet the wx is better there.
[04:15] <kb1tce__> Thanks arko. Direct email is kb1tce@belljar.net
[04:16] <kb1tce__> Jim - I put a discone on my Christmas list. Need one for the scanner anyway.
[04:17] <n2nxz> lol
[04:17] <n2nxz> i have to admit...rs made a good antenna with that discone
[04:17] <kb1tce__> Decoding like crazy now.
[04:18] <n2nxz> glad you guys decided to track this balloon...you all made my day!!
[04:18] <kb1tce__> I don't think they have one anymore. Have to check. I spec'd an MFJ.
[04:18] <n2nxz> yes they do...with the 6m whip to boot
[04:18] <kb1tce__> Needed to do something different. And this sure is. Not to pull out my hydrogen generator and blimp.
[04:18] <n2nxz> i have a 10m trucker antenna on the top of mine
[04:19] <n2nxz> lol
[04:19] <kb1tce__> Not = now
[04:19] <n2nxz> you notice the tracking station in bermuda?
[04:19] <n2nxz> where he come from...lol
[04:19] <n2nxz> cool dtuff
[04:20] <n2nxz> i say send the blimp
[04:21] <kb1tce__> Don't see it. Refreshing the map now.
[04:22] <n2nxz> i lost tracking here
[04:22] <n2nxz> hope it did not burst
[04:23] <mikec> had to restart freq at 542.80 1200 on waterfall
[04:24] <n2nxz> did you note the beacon freq by chance?
[04:24] <n2nxz> may be all we have in the morning
[04:25] <kb1tce__> I'm at 434.542.80 with center at about 1100. Getting a bit fainter but still ok most of the time.
[04:27] <mikec> did not get beacon freq but starting to lose signal should have got a good last fix
[04:28] <n2nxz> ok,,,concentrate on gps...going to switch to my main pc...brb
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[04:29] <N2NXZ> BACK,TO A REAL COMPUTER...LOL
[04:30] <N2NXZ> Waht is the status on the balloon signal?
[04:31] <kb1tce__> It's in and out now.
[04:32] <CS8ABG> Hi Jim the tracking station on mid-atlantic is me !
[04:32] <CS8ABG> Azores not Bermuda !
[04:35] <mikec> 434.542.60 at 948 on the waterfall
[04:36] <kb1tce__> s/n is 14-17 dB here.
[04:40] <N2NXZ> I AM SLEEPING...LOL
[04:40] <N2NXZ> SORRY aZORES
[04:40] <kb1tce__> Well, you certainly have done better than Amherst, NH!
[04:41] <N2NXZ> Now shooting for the Azores !
[04:41] <N2NXZ> Thanks for tracking everyone!
[04:41] <N2NXZ> I am over joyed here and tired,but enjoying every minute
[04:42] <N2NXZ> My son is logging altitude and such
[04:42] <CS8ABG> yeah ! I'll try
[04:42] <mikec> still tracking, the lake it just passed over (nicatous) we put 4000 brown trout in
[04:42] <CS8ABG> over here is 3:42 in the mornig
[04:42] <N2NXZ> 11:41 pm here...you gotta be tired
[04:43] <CS8ABG> I'll be back in the morning !!
[04:43] <N2NXZ> ok...tnx again
[04:43] <N2NXZ> Sorry for mix up...been a long week
[04:43] <CS8ABG> cu guys later...and 73 from Azores !
[04:43] <N2NXZ> 73 from NY
[04:44] <CS8ABG> btw we have a remote station on a hilltop about 900mts from sea level
[04:45] <CS8ABG> goto remotehams.co download the app and listen for CU2ARA remote statio
[04:45] <N2NXZ> GOOD STUFF,ought to have a good line of site
[04:45] <CS8ABG> err.. remotehams.com
[04:45] <N2NXZ> tnx...the web rx are good tools
[04:45] <kb1tce__> Still decoding fine
[04:45] <N2NXZ> great...looks like altitude is lowering
[04:46] <CS8ABG> the stations is a yaesu ft857d with a loop for HF and a X30 for 2m and 70cm.
[04:46] <CS8ABG> cu tomorrow
[04:46] <CS8ABG> enjoy
[04:46] <N2NXZ> cya tomorrow ...bye for now
[04:47] <mikec> i'm stepping out also, fine time bet have to work 73 kb1utd
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[04:47] <N2NXZ> 73 and thanks a million
[04:47] <N2NXZ> stay in touch
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[04:48] <N2NXZ> so who is left?
[04:48] <kb1tce__> Jim - what are the backward/forward zigzags in Maine?
[04:48] <N2NXZ> hopefully the tracker...lol
[04:49] <N2NXZ> server glitch i am guessing
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[04:49] <N2NXZ> receiving data that may be mixed up a bit
[04:49] <kb1tce__> That makes sense.
[04:49] <N2NXZ> you can see how that data is...a wonder it works at times...lol
[04:50] <N2NXZ> pretty amazing tho
[04:50] <kb1tce__> I'll hang in for a while, at least until the signal gets too weak.
[04:50] <N2NXZ> ok
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[04:50] <N2NXZ> tnx a lot...once i get an idea of altitude,we can somewhat determine how tomorrow will go.It nomally should lose altitude at night,and the day shoot way up again
[04:51] <N2NXZ> looking pretty good so far
[04:51] <N2NXZ> so glad it came your way...just amazes me the luck this is
[04:52] <N2NXZ> needle in a hat stack
[04:52] <N2NXZ> hay...
[04:52] <N2NXZ> so drained from the stress,,,glad it left the ground
[04:54] <N2NXZ> you getting any signal strength?
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[04:55] <N2NXZ> no more data here,
[05:00] <N2NXZ> map show no new data...guessing you a losing signal?
[05:00] <kb1tce__> Just had a successful decode.
[05:00] <N2NXZ> cool...lol
[05:01] <kb1tce__> Looks like you are now international - or close to it. I'll go ride the radio some more. I hear it really fading.
[05:01] <N2NXZ> amazing how well it works tho considering how tiny
[05:02] <N2NXZ> i wonder if the other transmiiter wakes up soon
[05:04] <N2NXZ> i amy check global tuners and see if i can find an rx that hears it
[05:04] <N2NXZ> be sure to grab last known frequency
[05:06] <kb1tce__> It's fading fast. I'll give it another few and will record the freq.
[05:08] <N2NXZ> ok,,,thinking i hear it on this nova scotia web radio...that would be cool
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[05:10] <kb1tce__> Yes, it would! Last observation at 0512 was 434.540.50 dial, 1250 center.
[05:10] <kb1tce__> The signal is barely audible now.
[05:11] <N2NXZ> going to try on web radio
[05:11] <N2NXZ> thanks for your major support,,,tomorrow may bring surprise
[05:12] <kb1tce__> OK, I'm going to bed. My wife went to sleep a couple of hours ago and the cat is being a pest. Talk to you tomorrow.
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[05:48] <rcaron_> arko: w6yra. when we were tracking last week we would see the rtty signal quickly move down in frequency, then slowly go back to where it was
[05:49] <rcaron_> i guessed it was the voltage sagging due to an ocassional load
[05:49] <rcaron_> wondering if it happened on the ground or just in the air
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[06:39] <arko> rcaron_: it was a lose wire
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[06:40] <arko> long story short a solder came undone
[06:40] <rcaron_> yeah i know that
[06:40] <arko> went to only carrier frew
[06:40] <arko> freq
[06:40] <rcaron_> i'm talking before, when it was still working
[06:40] <arko> with the mod line floating
[06:40] <arko> i think it just started waving
[06:40] <arko> oh
[06:40] <arko> probably due to temperature changes
[06:40] <arko> its a TCXO
[06:40] <arko> but i still see wobble
[06:41] <rcaron_> i was thinking it was too impulsive to be temp drift
[06:41] <arko> hmm
[06:41] <arko> have a screen shot?
[06:41] <rcaron_> but a thermostated heater kicking in
[06:41] <arko> i dont remember that
[06:42] <rcaron_> i don't offhand, but i'll grab one and a wave clip for you tomorrow
[06:42] <arko> oh awesome
[06:42] <arko> thanks!
[06:42] <arko> btw, i'll be in the ucla area in the next few weeks
[06:43] <arko> i dare cross the 405
[06:43] <arko> i'd be cool to meet you guys
[06:43] <arko> show you the radios
[06:44] <rcaron_> that'd be great. i'll see when kk6eng leaves campus for break, i'll be around till the 20th
[06:45] <arko> coolio
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[06:57] <Upu> morning
[06:58] <Upu> check out the station in the Azores :)
[07:01] <arko> morning
[07:02] <arko> glad to see it showed up in Maine
[07:02] <Upu> yeah
[07:02] <Upu> vent is working possibly too well
[07:02] <arko> wait is that guy real?
[07:02] <Upu> yeah Azores is real
[07:02] <arko> thats epic
[07:03] <Upu> ace what a few polite e-mails can do :)
[07:03] <x-f> he was here yesterday, too
[07:03] <x-f> morning
[07:03] <Upu> oh he found his way in there cool
[07:03] <Upu> morning x-f
[07:04] <Upu> how does that HB-N2NZ1 APRS thing work ?
[07:10] <arko> Upu: http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/vk4fsgw.php?receiver=1289
[07:10] <arko> nova scotia might be able to hear it
[07:14] <Upu> not much heard atm
[07:14] <arko> i heard really faint rtty
[07:14] <arko> probably in my head :/
[07:16] <Upu> watching on waterfall as well
[07:16] <Upu> nothing
[07:16] <arko> :(
[07:16] <arko> o wwell
[07:16] <Upu> vent must have worked
[07:17] <Upu> I need to go to work
[07:17] <Upu> bbs
[07:18] <arko> coolio
[07:18] <arko> need to finish this matlab assignment
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[07:30] <G0HDI> 'Morning all
[07:36] <G0HDI> See KB1TCE is receiving N2NXZ ok, so radio is ok. Brilliant. Hope beacon is good too. Listening out for that today.
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[08:32] <malgar> isn't the transatlantic updating?
[08:34] <DL1SGP> might be out of range of listeners malgar, need to have my breakky :)
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[09:04] <UpuWork> ping nats`
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[09:15] <mikestir-work> how's the transatlantic flight going? anything heard on HF?
[09:17] <gohdi> yeah, how's it doing. I'm in Starbucks
[09:17] <eroomde> i'm at my desk
[09:18] <eroomde> but my coffee is probably nicer than yours
[09:18] <eroomde> so, swings and roundabouts
[09:18] <DL1SGP> I had my coffee and it was great!
[09:18] <eroomde> everything is great with you
[09:18] <eroomde> I need some of whatever it is you take
[09:18] <eroomde> i'm being oppressed by maths
[09:19] <gohdi> No, I love their Cappo
[09:19] <nats`> SPAGHETTI !!!!
[09:19] <eroomde> and instead of concentrating hard on it i'm on irc, saying i don't really have to go back to concentrating hard on it just yet because it's still barely 9am
[09:20] <gohdi> Try for the beacon when I get home
[09:20] <eroomde> where are you gohdi ?
[09:21] <gohdi> Southampton Starbucks on mobile phone
[09:21] <eroomde> nice
[09:21] <eroomde> are you within the soton uni sphere of habby influence?
[09:21] <DL1SGP> nothing heard from beacon here as of now
[09:22] <UpuWork> haha
[09:22] <eroomde> there was a joke?
[09:22] <eroomde> or are you just coming in from an all-night bender to drown your padding sorrows
[09:22] <gohdi> lol
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[09:23] <WillDWork> lol
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[09:23] <WillDWork> at least Upu owned up sharpish
[09:24] <UpuWork> [09:19] <nats`> SPAGHETTI !!!!
[09:24] <UpuWork> in joke
[09:25] <nats`> :)
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[09:26] <UpuWork> annoying that bug
[09:27] <UpuWork> as it wasn't really a normal padding bug the code has been tested on many launches, I just imported a fix which caused another error. Lack of testing
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[09:27] <eroomde> unit tests
[09:27] <fsphil> mmm
[09:27] <fsphil> self test on startup
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[09:29] <g0hdi> sorry guys. stupid phone being bitchy. talk to you later from home.
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[09:45] <mikestir-work> some morse heard on the websdr in the netherlands on 28219. repeating beacon of some sort but I'm pretty sure it's something else (YM7KK?)
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[09:51] <LeoBodnar> morning
[09:51] <nats`> hi
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[10:08] <DL1SGP> morning LeoBodnar, salut nats`
[10:08] <nats`> yop DL1SGP :)
[10:08] <DL1SGP> mikestir-work: that is the turkish beacon at girensomelocationikeepforgettingthenameof
[10:08] <DL1SGP> let me get you details :)
[10:12] <DL1SGP>  YM7KK C GIRESUN, TURKEY # 4W, VERTICAL
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[10:19] <obcuz> YM7KK is on 28.220
[10:22] <Laurenceb> hah
[10:22] <Laurenceb> http://forum.chibios.org/phpbb/download/file.php?id=516
[10:23] <Laurenceb> wolfstein ported to F4discovery
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[10:45] <eroomde> what a splendid idea
[10:46] <tweetBot> @G7IGB: Transatlantic Ham Radio balloon attempt http://t.co/HF4MmW5a5I #hamradio #ukhas
[10:46] <eroomde> southgate arc must be a side project run by GCHQ
[10:46] <eroomde> they know everything
[10:47] <fsphil> are they based at Bletchley Park?
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[10:48] <fsphil> sadly not
[10:51] <eroomde> downloading 3arcsecond topographic data of the whole world in 1 degree squares
[10:51] <eroomde> mountains, 2MB
[10:51] <eroomde> sea, 19kB
[10:51] <eroomde> gotta love zip
[10:52] <cm13g09> lol
[10:52] <cm13g09> compression is great...
[10:52] <cm13g09> pity that on our broadband connection at work we need to achieve 99% compression to make it reasonable :P
[10:53] <eroomde> you think yours is bad
[10:53] <eroomde> mine is 2MB
[10:53] <eroomde> it's a bit feeble
[10:53] <cm13g09> 2MB or 2Mb?
[10:53] <eroomde> we're in the middle os a field
[10:53] <eroomde> Mb
[10:53] <eroomde> sorry
[10:53] <cm13g09> eroomde: ours is that on a good day!
[10:53] <eroomde> blimey, where are you?
[10:53] <cm13g09> Colchester, Essex
[10:53] <cm13g09> on the end of a wireless link
[10:53] <cm13g09> from the middle of the town
[10:54] <cm13g09> since the exchange only does up to 2Mbps ADSL
[10:54] <eroomde> that's also feeble
[10:54] <cm13g09> yep
[10:54] <eroomde> BT really need to get their act together
[10:54] <cm13g09> the wireless link is supposedly 30Mbps
[10:54] <eroomde> f*ck bidding for football rights, just spend money on some f*cking infrastructure
[10:55] <cm13g09> it achieves about 10Mbps :P
[10:55] <eroomde> get fibre to high tech business that can't do what they do in london
[10:55] <cm13g09> and there's 400 or so people on the park
[10:55] <cm13g09> (at max)
[10:56] <cm13g09> there's a reason I now have a mirror of most of the Ubuntu repositories :P
[10:56] <eroomde> same!
[10:56] <eroomde> we have it on our fileserver, it's pleasing
[10:56] <cm13g09> if you really want to look it up, eroomde, CO4 5NE is the postcode
[10:56] <eroomde> i don't, it's ok
[10:56] <cm13g09> lol
[10:56] <cm13g09> fair enough
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[10:57] <cm13g09> Supposedly the exchange is getting 21CN in January....
[10:57] <eroomde> i just want this topographic data to be faster
[10:57] <craag> cm13g09: Have you looked much into the extra wireless link we were talkign about?
[10:57] <cm13g09> craag: not yet
[10:57] <craag> Trying 70cm HTs from one location to the other might be the easiest indication if obstructions aren't obvious.
[10:58] <cm13g09> fair enough
[10:58] <cm13g09> currently battling Samba 4
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[10:59] <cm13g09> so the broadband isn't on my priority list ;)
[11:00] <eroomde> you've ended up as a defacto sysadmin too huh?
[11:00] <eroomde> tough luck
[11:00] <cm13g09> eroomde: yep :P
[11:00] <cm13g09> spent last week with Puppet and Foreman
[11:00] <cm13g09> this week is VPN and Samba
[11:00] <eroomde> i have that at my work, increasinly
[11:00] <eroomde> 'i get see the network on file explorer'
[11:01] <eroomde> 'JUST USE LINUX LIKE A NORMAL PERSON'
[11:01] <eroomde> i'm good at support
[11:01] <cm13g09> lol
[11:01] <cm13g09> you're in good company :)
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[11:02] <cm13g09> eroomde: I still find it entertaining that I'm pulling all the stats off our upstream router via SNMP
[11:03] <craag> cm13g09: Quick look on google streetview and it seems you can see the Axial way warehouses from Lodge Ln?
[11:03] <cm13g09> nobody's batted an eyelid
[11:03] <cm13g09> possibly....
[11:03] <cm13g09> I shall have a look at lunch....
[11:03] <craag> If so... wireless link should be easy peasy :)
[11:04] <cm13g09> yay... RFS date for 21CN WBC
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[11:52] <Darkside> man
[11:52] <Darkside> 10m is wode open to th eUK
[11:52] <Darkside> wide*
[11:52] <Darkside> just workd 2 guys in the bath area
[11:52] <gonzo___> cb!
[11:53] <Darkside> not CB
[11:53] <Darkside> 10m
[11:53] <Darkside> lol
[11:53] <Darkside> 28400
[11:53] <gonzo___> same thing!
[11:53] <Darkside> pff
[11:53] <gonzo___> though cb is prob more formal than 2mtrs in the uk these days!
[11:54] <fsphil> they're both as silent as eachother here :)
[11:54] <fsphil> should've left the thor beacon running
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[12:04] <G0HDI> Hello all, just got in. Is N2NXZ-1's beacon operational anyone know?
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[12:10] <fsphil> it did seem to be descending a bit on last contact
[12:11] <es5nhc> True, but the last contact was in the middle of the night in that region
[12:11] <es5nhc> 04:59 GMT = 23:59 EET
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[12:14] <G0HDI> Is the 28 meg beacon operational?
[12:14] <fsphil> no reports in here
[12:15] <G0HDI> Where are you?
[12:15] <fsphil> in this channel I mean
[12:15] <G0HDI> Oh!, sorry
[12:17] <G0HDI> Wind doesn't look ideal direction, like NNE on map here..
[12:18] <G0HDI> Could be in for a very long wait lol. Think I'll get some eggs on toast.
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[13:31] <LeoBodnar> Any news on transatlantic balloon?
[13:31] <fsphil> not a peep
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[13:37] <fsphil> maybe it just doesn't want to go into Canada
[13:39] <Laurenceb> http://www.superconductors.org/42C_mod.htm
[13:39] <Laurenceb> WHAT
[13:43] <Laurenceb> troll site for sure
[13:44] <fsphil> super conductor, http://i.imgur.com/Dvzdl1o.jpg
[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> They seem more interested in Web Stats and Web Awards then anything else!
[13:46] <Laurenceb> http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/File:SwitchP.jpg
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[14:07] <LeoBodnar> 42C superconductor? I have to keep up.
[14:09] <Laurenceb> i dont believe it
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[14:13] <nats`> Laurenceb it's a big troll then
[14:13] <nats`> remind me the troll about different name of water
[14:18] <mattbrejza> oxygen dihydride?
[14:18] <nats`> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/view_profile.php?userid=4422
[14:18] <nats`> that's this guy
[14:18] <nats`> and talking about hidden text in the bible tends to discredit him pretty quickly
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[14:18] <nats`> yep mattbrejza :)
[14:21] <mfa298> next someone will be claiming to have got cold fusion working
[14:21] <cm13g09> lol mfa298
[14:22] <cm13g09> I mistakenly read that as "got Coldfusion working"
[14:22] <cm13g09> (although admittedly, that is probably true as well)
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[14:23] <mfa298> after quick googling, the bit of research I was thinking of is actually older than I thought it was.
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[14:23] <cm13g09> meanwhile, in other news Samba4 supports being a domain controller
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[14:34] <LeoBodnar> "I have always enjoyed science, electronics and computers. So, joining the SETI project was a natural for me." I hope I won't end up that way.
[14:34] <nats`> Seti would have been fun if we used those antenna to TX :D
[14:34] <nats`> let's jam all the possible alien comunication :D
[14:35] <nats`> basically we don't need to know if they exist we need to stop them from evolving if they exist
[14:35] <x-f> i'm not sure i would want them to visit us :)
[14:36] <nats`> x-f as a man from earth I can assure you after seeing many well informed documentation (independance day, mars attack, ghost of mars etc..) that 99.9% of those crap are dangerous
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[14:37] <x-f> heh :)
[14:37] <nats`> ohh I feel you'll talk to me about Spielberg ET !
[14:38] <jedas> hopefully we already polluted our planet enogth that no one will ever want it to invade
[14:38] <nats`> that's some sort of anti racism propagand leaded by a communist hobby :D
[14:38] <nats`> I so love cliché
[14:39] <LeoBodnar> communist hobby ? lol
[14:40] <nats`> hey the wise man never give up on well informed discussion with good point !
[14:40] <nats`> :D
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[15:03] <LeoBodnar> fsphil do you have your latest flight altitude profile picture anywhere?
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[15:04] <fsphil> LeoBodnar: I made a graph, can upload it shortly
[15:04] <x-f> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/db138017d1bcbe5af2dfb2aa297de993#g/altitude
[15:04] <LeoBodnar> yes please, I am crunching some numbers
[15:05] <LeoBodnar> cool
[15:05] <fsphil> hah, yea basically that
[15:05] <LeoBodnar> how do you link a flight to x-f link if it went beyond past 15 flights?
[15:06] <LeoBodnar> fsphil what were your payload and free lifts?
[15:06] <LeoBodnar> -s
[15:07] <x-f> LeoBodnar, use payload ID from /genpayload
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[15:08] <LeoBodnar> thanks
[15:08] Action: nats` is happy
[15:08] <fsphil> LeoBodnar: 275g hanging from the balloon, which had 338g neck lift
[15:09] <fsphil> payload was probably a few grams more than that due to some extra duct tape
[15:09] <LeoBodnar> so about 60g free lift?
[15:09] <fsphil> it was about that yea
[15:09] <mattbrejza> balloon?
[15:09] <mattbrejza> 1200g?
[15:09] <fsphil> 1600g hwoyee
[15:09] <mattbrejza> ah
[15:09] <LeoBodnar> thanks, this is tiny for 1600 balloon
[15:09] <mattbrejza> no wonder it floated :P
[15:10] <fsphil> I wasn't taking any chances :)
[15:10] <LeoBodnar> I am amazed that 60g worth of He has not migrated out
[15:10] <fsphil> going to the other extereme next time, going to try floating a 100g
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[15:13] <LeoBodnar> At 31km it would have been 6.55m in diameter and 0.03kPa superpressure
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[15:14] <fsphil> what size wouuld it have been at burst?
[15:14] <LeoBodnar> At burst 36.6km it would be 9.1m diameter and superpressure 0.012kPa
[15:15] <LeoBodnar> *37.6km
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[15:15] <LeoBodnar> Superpressure does not account for solar gain
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[15:17] <craag> 'K-Lined' That's a new one..
[15:17] <eroomde> yeah
[15:17] <eroomde> wow
[15:17] <eroomde> web freenode went down
[15:17] <craag> yep
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[15:19] <Miek> K-Line is a ban
[15:19] <yt9tp> hi I got message that I am banned couse I pup bitcoin something?!?!?! what is it about? I did not even post anything.
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[15:19] <craag> yt9tp: I think a freenode admin might have typo-ed a ban.
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[15:20] <DL1SGP> indeed, looks like it
[15:20] <LeoBodnar> wtf? [15:17] == You are banned from this server- (Clearing #xidr1es) Please do not use freenode for bitcoin pump and dump activities. (2013/12/4 09.16) [15:17] == ERROR: Closing Link: gateway/web/freenode/session (*** Banned )
[15:20] <craag> freenode admin typo-ed a ban.
[15:21] <DL1SGP> yup :)
[15:21] <DL1SGP> insufficient coffee consumption most likely is to be blamed
[15:21] <craag> /topic Welcome back all, freenode admins were low on coffee..
[15:22] <craag> ... We are dispatching balloons to deliver supplies
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[15:22] <yt9tp> I have not been on IRC for almost a decade. I forgot how easy admins can be on bans :)
[15:23] <teakayess> why was I banned?
[15:23] <craag> teakayess: Freenode admin made a boo-boo
[15:23] <LeoBodnar> all of us were teakayess
[15:23] <LeoBodnar> *many
[15:23] <craag> Yeah about 15 people from this channel got banned
[15:24] <teakayess> Has N2NXZ been here yet this morning?
[15:24] #highaltitude: mode change '+o eroomde' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[15:24] <eroomde> mwahaha that was a sign of my power
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[15:24] <craag> all hail the op
[15:25] <eroomde> actually had precisely zero to do with me. don't have that kind of level 60 power
[15:25] <eroomde> 15:24 <+mist> The ban was intentional but its reach was not. It's been removed.
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[15:27] <yt9tp> Can ayone point me out where to track N2NXZ baloon. I found http://spacenear.us/tracker/ is that accurate?
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[15:28] <craag> I've moved irc channels off freenode recently, it really confuses irc newcomers when there's 5 people in a channel and someone netsplits.
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[15:28] <craag> yt9tp: Last known position, hopefully it's still up and heading cross-atlantic!
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[15:29] <yt9tp> thanks craag
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[15:32] <nats`> kline 0.0.0.0 / 0.0.0.0
[15:33] <craag> yt9tp: I'm estimating it's just gone over newfoundland by the speed that was known at 5am UTC this morning.
[15:34] <fsphil> eine kline fehler
[15:34] <ve6ts> excellent, does it look like it will hit europe still?
[15:35] <fsphil> the last few positions did have it loosing some altitude
[15:35] <fsphil> hopefully it levelled out
[15:35] <craag> We won't known until it's due to get to Europe now I guess.
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[15:35] <fsphil> it was quite far north
[15:36] <craag> mm
[15:36] <fsphil> I'd better setup a radio
[15:36] <craag> You're probably the best placed for once :)
[15:37] <fsphil> it'll likely fly up over and around scotland, just out of range :)
[15:37] <craag> aww
[15:37] <craag> :P
[15:37] <mikestir-work> has anyone run any predictions based on the last known position/alt?
[15:37] <nats`> bitcoin pump and dump activities <= it's when you try to pay a hooker with bitcoin ? :D
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[15:39] <DL1SGP> lol nats`
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[15:44] <f5vnf> what is bitcoin pump and dump
[15:44] <f5vnf> just so that i know what i was supposed to be doing while i wasn't here
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[15:45] <craag> f5vnf: Accidental typo in a ban
[15:45] <craag> bitcoin pump and dump is when you grab loads of a new bitcoin currency, then sell it all as soon as it goes up at all.
[15:46] <craag> which then crashes the currency value, but makes you a bit of profit.
[15:47] <craag> mikestir-work: I think I've done this right, historical forecast -> now http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/170615_trj001.gif
[15:47] <craag> SO maybe not as far as I thought
[15:48] <N2NXZ> I would like to believe the data :)
[15:48] <f5vnf> me make a profit i should be so lucky, was just concerned that i had been banned for something i didnt understand,
[15:48] <N2NXZ> waiting game now i suppose?
[15:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm don't think its N2NXZ but two carriers close to the expected channel and on a bearing of 280° from Worthing ? °
[15:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah meant http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/N2NXZ_20131203/index.php?ind=0
[15:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anyone else see/hear it ? seperation is 270Hz
[15:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Drifting high as well
[15:50] <N2NXZ> LAst known frequency was 434.540.50
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[15:50] <N2NXZ> Monitoring 28.219-220 here,propagation good to Europe
[15:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK, looks too small a shift as well and no transistions on it
[15:51] <N2NXZ> Beqcon may be only hope at this point
[15:51] <N2NXZ> beacon
[15:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed Jim!
[15:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> any idea as to why the -2 Tx failed ?
[15:52] <N2NXZ> Peter,OX3XR emailed me and had to work today..but probably was a good hope for RX
[15:53] <N2NXZ> No idea...baffling,it was running as I packeged the container,headed out the door and by the time I came home...no data or signal
[15:53] <N2NXZ> track shows it stopped in the driveway
[15:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Frustrating :-(
[15:54] <N2NXZ> yes...but maybe by chance it will start...had the aprs module too set to start up later in flight
[15:54] <N2NXZ> UPU would know more on that
[15:55] <N2NXZ> Someone piped in APRS data last night
[15:55] <N2NXZ> speeds there showed approx 100 moh
[15:55] <N2NXZ> mph
[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> What height was that at ?
[15:56] <N2NXZ> 79.892 ft
[15:56] <SIbot> In real units: 892 ft = 272 m
[15:56] <N2NXZ> it was going like a roller coaster
[15:57] <N2NXZ> dropping each time...but probably normal at midnight
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> 24Kms could well be
[15:57] <N2NXZ> maybe it made the dark...?
[15:58] <N2NXZ> glad to have inserted a vent tube
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Glad you didn't covered in ink ;-)
[15:58] <N2NXZ> a little bit...but by the way...used something different
[15:58] <N2NXZ> i did not like the small diam pen insert
[15:59] <N2NXZ> seemed it would not release fast enough..so changed the idea a bit
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[15:59] <N2NXZ> slightly larger diam
[15:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> what c/s did the APRS data use nothing is showing on a search for your call
[15:59] <N2NXZ> HB-N2NXZ-1
[16:00] <N2NXZ> not sure hoew that was there..any ideas?
[16:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not a clue not in the database when I search for that
[16:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah its was HB-N2NXZ1 digit 1
[16:01] <N2NXZ> hmmm...it had an HB in front of it...
[16:01] <N2NXZ> maybe without dash
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[16:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FHB-N2NXZ1&timerange=86400&tail=3600
[16:01] <N2NXZ> hbn2nxz-1?
[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> no - just a digit 1 after the callsign
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[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks like someone fed in the 70cms data stream
[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> as it has the same padding error
[16:02] <N2NXZ> nice find :)
[16:02] <N2NXZ> yes it did
[16:02] <N2NXZ> at first,thought the 144.8 was running
[16:03] <Upu> i guess we just sit and wait now
[16:03] <N2NXZ> yup
[16:03] <N2NXZ> good morning
[16:03] <N2NXZ> watching 28.220 mhz waterfall
[16:03] <Upu> evening :)
[16:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> aftenoon
[16:03] <N2NXZ> small blips here and there
[16:04] Nick change: danielsaul -> danielsaul_alt
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[16:05] <N2NXZ> went to the Nova Scotia web tuner as balloon was passing into New Brunswick...they shut the web tuner off just as I was copying the beacon :(
[16:06] <eroomde> shoot them in the head, i'd say
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[16:07] <N2NXZ> lol
[16:07] <N2NXZ> It even went right off the list!!
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[16:08] <N2NXZ> Maybe all the emails to watch for balloon made them abgry,they told me most amateurs in NS only use FM
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[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> OT
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> O Microsoft, O Microsoft, our fearful trip is done
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thy code has weathered each complaint, the weary user's groan
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Old DOS is near, the bells I hear, the microflops a floppin'
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Your iron grip on platforms slip, though still you won't be stoppin'
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> But O heart, heart, heart
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> More expletives are said
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Where on the desktop my software lies
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Fallen cold and dead.
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> (license taken from Walt Whitman)
[16:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> A post og facebook
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[16:12] <nats`> Geoff-G8DHE don't do drugs !
[16:12] <nats`> that's bad for you
[16:13] <DL1SGP> can't be bad if it made me laugh :)
[16:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> The guy was complaining about an XBOXlive account ;-)
[16:13] <eroomde> like breathing in N2O all day
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[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> but summs up my thoughts from yesterday - why does installing IE10 or IE11 screw the mirror video drivers ????
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[16:18] <g6uim> HB-N2NXZ1 is taken from the habitat database and sent to APRS-IS as an object it updates as and when habitat does, generated by KJ4ERJ
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[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha that explains it
[16:19] <mattbrejza> now we just need to use james' script to take HB-N2NXZ1 from aprs.fi and post on spacenear
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[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like that KJ4ERJ is feeding a load of flights into APRS from Habitat all using HB- ahead of the callsign
[16:27] Nick change: mssssm_ -> mssssm
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[16:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> See http://aprs.fi/info/a/HB-N2NXZ1
[16:28] <N2NXZ> A texas signal just came booming in on beacon freq...like someone turned on a switch
[16:29] <g6uim> yes he does HB is to try and make the callsign unique, he did have an issue yesterday and sent a few old ones through, but I think thats now fixed
[16:29] <N2NXZ> who is HB anyhow?
[16:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> HB9 is Switzerland
[16:30] <N2NXZ> tnx
[16:30] <g6uim> the HB is just to try and make the callsign unique Habitat Balloon
[16:31] <Upu> yeah its not Switzerland in this case
[16:31] <N2NXZ> so how long until we know if it is a loss or success for ballon at this point?
[16:31] <Upu> 2 days
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[16:31] <Upu> if Azores don't start receiving it
[16:32] <Upu> depends as it was lower than expected so winds will be slower
[16:32] <N2NXZ> wow...long suspense
[16:32] <N2NXZ> still listening on beacon frequency here in that small hope
[16:32] <g6uim> I have 2M and 70cm beams pointing west should it come anywhere near the UK
[16:32] <N2NXZ> cool
[16:32] <LeoBodnar> When I TX APRS from B-* it got imported into snus and then reimported back into APRS as HB-B-*
[16:33] <N2NXZ> Still so happy we ended up with te guys in Mine to track...what were the chances?
[16:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup do a search for HB- in aprs.fi and it will show all the ones
[16:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> HB-* that is
[16:33] <N2NXZ> i saw those
[16:33] <N2NXZ> lots of them
[16:34] <N2NXZ> Maine..cant type...
[16:34] <N2NXZ> N5FUN really booming in here
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[16:36] <g6uim> yes lots of HB-* he had an issue yesterday that caused it but thats now fixed
[16:36] <N2NXZ> Lots of 10m beacons across the band 29.150 -28.300
[16:36] <N2NXZ> 28.150...geez...need new fingers
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[16:39] <ishmal> hi all. hey, i have a question about N2NXZ/BLN/6 : it says it transmits its message every 10 seconds. does that mean it starts at 10-second markers, or there is 10 seconds between messages?
[16:40] <N2NXZ> repaets over and over with 10 second space/pause
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[16:41] <ishmal> ok. thanks. was thinking, if i knew the exact period from the start of one message to the next, i could integrate the waterfall over many scans, maybe pluck it out of what would otherwise be noise
[16:42] <eroomde> the history of coupling messages to gps time is full of examples of payloads that stop communicating when they lose gps lock
[16:42] <eroomde> it needs to be coded robustly
[16:42] <eroomde> good aftertoon Lowerstoford
[16:42] <N2NXZ> good plan...that is what I have been doing today...hearing N5FUN from Texas though making RX tough
[16:43] <Lowerstoford> hi
[16:43] <ishmal> im too close to that one to hear it, goes over my head
[16:43] <N2NXZ> hello
[16:43] <Lowerstoford> thought I would quickly check in on N2NXZ
[16:43] <N2NXZ> nothing yet that I know of,,,watching emails as they come in
[16:43] <Lowerstoford> Just loaded the tracker and Still flying
[16:44] <N2NXZ> staring at the waterfall here...tuning between 28.220 and 28.219 or so.
[16:45] <N2NXZ> last know coordinates on tracker
[16:45] <N2NXZ> known
[16:45] <N2NXZ> N5FUN is realy no FUN at all :)
[16:46] <N2NXZ> I hear this beacon everytime I try and catch my beacons...i need to use a new frequency
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[16:53] <N2NXZ> Getting a weak but promising warped beacon on 28.218.5 @ 700 hz
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[16:54] <ishmal> that area of the 10m beacon band is kinda the "qrp waterhole" so there really shouldnt be any higher-powered sigs there
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[16:55] <N2NXZ> http://www.qsl.net/wj5o/bcn.htm
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[16:56] <eroomde> the more i look at turbopumps, the more amazed i am by them
[16:56] <N2NXZ> We have a 10m beacon group...but losing many listeners lately.
[16:56] <eroomde> to add 4 bar to something with a flow rate of 250g/s (so like between half a pint and a pint) needs about 1kW
[16:56] <eroomde> just to add 4 bar
[16:57] <N2NXZ> hydro power?
[16:57] Nick change: BitEvil_ -> SpeedEvil
[16:57] <eroomde> so when you think about a big rocket where the turbopump needs to add 100 bar to tens of kg od fuel per second, that becomes a really really scary number
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[16:59] <qyx_> solar panels arrived
[16:59] <qyx_> probably the same type as LeoBodnar uses
[16:59] <qyx_> they are fragile O_o
[16:59] <ishmal> yeah, just heard n5fun under the noise
[17:00] <ishmal> so it above, and w1lad below, just need to look in between
[17:02] <ishmal> and i dont think Argo runs on OSX
[17:02] <N2NXZ> Are you getting a pulsing interference across the band?
[17:02] <N2NXZ> It is strong here and sounds man made...kills the entire band here
[17:02] <ishmal> occasionally. i bursts
[17:02] <ishmal> in bursts
[17:03] <N2NXZ> constant pulse,then stops
[17:03] <N2NXZ> scanned all across to find no real frequency
[17:05] <N2NXZ> Still see weak blips on 28.218.5 @ 700 hz
[17:05] <fsphil> there's some dodgey sounding blips on the websdr in .nl
[17:05] <fsphil> same pattern repeated every few seconds
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[17:08] <N2NXZ> be back shortly,going to review captures from over night to this AM...
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[17:21] <N2NXZ> THERE IS THAT PULSE AGAIN
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[17:25] <N2NXZ> ishmal,Where are you located?
[17:26] <ishmal> Houston, tx
[17:27] <ishmal> ks5d here
[17:27] <N2NXZ> nice to meet you
[17:27] <N2NXZ> tnx for your efforts
[17:30] <ishmal> ive been thinking of a simple app, a bit like Argo, but instead of concentrating on qrss, it would do beacons in general. basically instead of the waterfall simply running off the display, it keeps a long history, like a "ribbon" of spectrum. it's displayed in horizontal ribbons on the screen, each ribbon being one estimated message period.
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[17:30] <ishmal> you adjust the period until they align, then the accumulated signal stands out against the noise
[17:31] <N2NXZ> here is the 10m beacon before launch > http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/N2NXZ/QRP/Balloon%20beacon/High%20Altitude/DSCF0156_zps7693fa64.jpg
[17:31] <ishmal> radio observatories use stuff like that
[17:32] <arko> is there a predicted location of the hab at the moment
[17:34] <N2NXZ> Do not know that answer,maybe someone else does
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[17:35] <ishmal> looks like the map does a dead-reckoning estimate, like aprs.fi does
[17:35] <arko> ehh that not really accurate at all
[17:36] <ishmal> maybe the average course, not necessarily current
[17:36] <craag> There was one I posted about an hour or so ago
[17:37] <arko> craag: nice
[17:37] <craag> Historical hysplit: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/170615_trj001.gif
[17:37] <craag> Dunno if I've got it right though
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[17:37] <craag> And only shows up to an hour ago
[17:37] <arko> i remember LeoBodnar figured it out
[17:37] <craag> *1.5 hours
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[17:37] <arko> er to get floaters or whatnot on noaa's site
[17:38] <N2NXZ> Just uploading photos to share
[17:38] <N2NXZ> Total payload equipment..UPU will have to tell more about the trackers > [URL=http://s430.photobucket.com/user/N2NXZ/media/QRP/Balloon%20beacon/High%20Altitude/DSCF0164_zps6878e0b6.jpg.html][IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/N2NXZ/QRP/Balloon%20beacon/High%20Altitude/DSCF0164_zps6878e0b6.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[17:38] <N2NXZ> link seems to large :(
[17:39] <craag> try http://s430.photobucket.com/user/N2NXZ/media/QRP/Balloon%20beacon/High%20Altitude/DSCF0164_zps6878e0b6.jpg.html
[17:39] <N2NXZ> tnx
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[17:40] <craag> Was the ATLAS board dual 2m/70cm?
[17:40] <N2NXZ> yup...the one that quit on us
[17:40] <craag> :(
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[17:40] <N2NXZ> maybe it will come back alive...providing it has a chance yet
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[17:41] <N2NXZ> you can see on the tracking map,cloeups it quit in transit to launch site
[17:41] <N2NXZ> closeups...
[17:43] <N2NXZ> looking for photo just before sealing it up.
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[17:46] <N2NXZ> http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/N2NXZ/QRP/Balloon%20beacon/High%20Altitude/DSCF0166_zpsb3c53541.jpg
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[17:49] <craag> N2NXZ: What's the orange and white block in that photo?
[17:50] <N2NXZ> Balsa wood separater for 2m/70cm antennas
[17:50] <craag> Ah, cheers.
[17:51] <N2NXZ> upu designed the whole thing
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[17:52] <Upu> twas me
[17:52] <N2NXZ> I just connected and supllied power,boxed up and launched,it worked great sitting in the house,all transmitters were sending data,then found out it quit on transit
[17:52] <craag> Fanned verticals :)
[17:52] <craag> Oh well, a little more post-UPS-handling testing next time maybe :P
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[17:53] <N2NXZ> :)
[17:53] <N2NXZ> i was afraid to ruin something...so left it alone as much as I wanted to play with tem...lol
[17:54] <craag> Haha yeah!
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[17:55] <N2NXZ> it started 3 times just before we sealed it up and quit,tried it one last time and was thinking of leaving it out for upu to check.Last power up,it started to run and retrieve data.But later quit
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[17:55] <N2NXZ> hinsight tells me i should have left it out
[17:56] <N2NXZ> sorry upu...bad choice on my end
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[17:57] <craag> well hopefully it'll make it's way back home, will burst somewhere up norf' (Upu's backyard) :)
[17:57] <N2NXZ> hope so...thinking it was maybe a timed issue...so who knows
[17:58] <craag> APRS is also meant to be switched off til it gets over here?
[17:58] <craag> So that might still work.
[17:58] <N2NXZ> never checked 144.800 either...maybe reversed op?
[17:58] <N2NXZ> when we saw the aprs track,,,thought...could it be?
[17:59] <N2NXZ> upu best to tell
[17:59] <N2NXZ> i know nothing about those devices...just know they are the coolest thing i ever had in my hands :)
[17:59] <craag> They are awesome little things
[17:59] <N2NXZ> indeed
[17:59] <Upu> yes in fairness this is the same board that failed over Austria
[18:00] <Upu> but I replace all the components
[18:00] <craag> Have you seen his new ones with the solar controllers and stuff?
[18:00] <N2NXZ> it was like a modeling photo shoot here :)
[18:00] <Upu> and the RFM22B only failed due to cold
[18:00] <Upu> this stopped on the ground
[18:00] <BitEvil> u
[18:00] <BitEvil> Sigh.
[18:01] <N2NXZ> not yet
[18:01] <N2NXZ> good
[18:01] <N2NXZ> i had 2 neat solar panels here..9v .5 watt...small.They were going to be for beacon
[18:01] <N2NXZ> there are 2 somewhere with solar panels...MIA
[18:01] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/oHtCr#0
[18:03] <Upu> I even replaced the crystals on both RFM22B's with proper ones
[18:03] <N2NXZ> Man those are cool looking!
[18:03] <N2NXZ> you have a $ on them yet?
[18:03] <Upu> I even put a quarter for size reference
[18:03] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/oHtCr#5
[18:04] <Upu> nah not selling them
[18:04] <Upu> but if you have a balloon... :)
[18:04] <arko> Upu: dude nice!
[18:04] <Upu> we have this issue with flying back that way
[18:04] <Upu> doesn't work that way
[18:04] <arko> i love the break away program header
[18:04] <Upu> well yes that cause a fault
[18:04] <Upu> solder leaked down and shorted it out
[18:04] <N2NXZ> they cost a quarter ...ha ha ha ...send me 1000
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[18:05] <Upu> don't get excited N2NXZ but in theory that does both 70cms and APRS frequency agile from the same board
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[18:05] <N2NXZ> very cool stuff...lol
[18:06] <N2NXZ> i need a balloon break for awhile...had a 4 week stress test on the last 2
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[18:07] <N2NXZ> Still ots ofhelium in the tank :)
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[18:08] <LeoBodnar> What does?
[18:08] <N2NXZ> My helium tank...still quite a bit left
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> Ah, ok. What does 70cm/2m agile APRS?
[18:09] <N2NXZ> Saturdays recovery of balloon launch on the 16th >http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/N2NXZ/QRP/Balloon%20beacon/High%20Altitude/IMG_1655_zps960ef97a.jpg
[18:09] <Upu> my new board in theory
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> Ah, OK
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[18:14] <LeoBodnar> If I knew of your effort I could have hitched a ride too maybe?
[18:14] <Upu> next time for sure
[18:14] <Upu> prep your code to switch APRS frequencies
[18:14] <Upu> if it doesn't already
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> It's only 14 grams extra :D http://leobodnar.com/balloons/
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> Of course it does :D USA / EU / China/ SKorea and Japan
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[18:19] <mfa298> Next you just need to get a license that covers all those countries.
[18:19] <craag> N2NXZ is now a 'HAB mule'
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[18:20] <craag> Carrying other peoples payloads across the atlantic for payment in cold hard HAB points
[18:23] <fsphil> any updates?
[18:23] <fsphil> I can't seem to get spacenear to work
[18:24] <ve6ts> HAB points? sounds like a new currency, hopefully nobody wants to tax it
[18:25] <n2nxz> :)
[18:25] <fsphil> I think I'm on negative hab points atm
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[18:29] <FASTPanda> Our group, Flying Apple Space Technologies, has an APRS unit designed to switch from the US APRS frequency to the European one when it crosses the middle of the Atlantic
[18:29] <FASTPanda> We'll be trying it out on Saturday, weather pending, of course
[18:31] <FASTPanda> We are based in Las Vegas and will be attempting a trans-atlantic flight. Many more states to cross over before we even get there. How many HAB points is that worth, I wonder??
[18:31] <Upu> one or two :)
[18:31] <Upu> whats the tracker based on ?
[18:31] <n2nxz> Should be interesting..i`ll have the igat working
[18:31] <n2nxz> igate
[18:31] <Upu> home brew or something bought ?
[18:31] <FASTPanda> It's a Big Red Bee 2M with custom firmware
[18:31] <LeoBodnar> Dim TransatlaticCrossing As Boolean
[18:31] <Upu> ok
[18:32] <eroomde> arko: ping
[18:32] <Upu> just be aware, though file under "no one will really care apart from some angry HAM's on qrz.com" but airborne use of APRS isn't permitted in some european countries
[18:32] <Upu> and speak to arko
[18:33] <Upu> see if he can lend you a 70cms transmitter doing UKHAS protocol
[18:33] <Upu> he's in California
[18:33] <Upu> or something like that
[18:33] <Upu> its sunny and warm
[18:33] <FASTPanda> Thanks for that. If the unit doesn't work, we won't be making anybody angry or happy!
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[18:33] Action: SpeedEvil wonders in principle if FASTPanda could be extradited for crimes against radio.
[18:34] <Upu> I'd send you one but sent the last one to n2nxz :)
[18:34] <Upu> New one this weekend
[18:34] <FASTPanda> lol. That's okay. We are up to our ears in equipment I can't get to quite work anyway
[18:34] <eroomde> why Fast Apple?
[18:34] <eroomde> FLying Apple, even
[18:35] <FASTPanda> Flying Apple Space Technologies (FAST is the acronym). Newton's apple fell. Our apples fly.
[18:35] <eroomde> oh right, newton reference
[18:35] <eroomde> should probably have spotted
[18:35] <FASTPanda> It's obscure, because nobody seems to get it
[18:36] <FASTPanda> Oh well! I still think it's clever!
[18:36] <n2nxz> it is
[18:36] <FASTPanda> thx
[18:36] <LeoBodnar> They can't grasp the core of the idea
[18:36] <n2nxz> LOL
[18:36] <FASTPanda> Ugh.
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[18:37] <FASTPanda> you can check out our blog at flyapple.org
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[18:37] <LeoBodnar> I remember reading it awhile ago
[18:37] <FASTPanda> We have a bunch of high school students who are brilliant new HAMs
[18:37] <LeoBodnar> Do you use flowmeter from some sponsors?
[18:38] <FASTPanda> Yup, that's us. Alicat donated the flowmeter to us and then wrote a whole blog about it
[18:38] <LeoBodnar> Ah, see it worked, I remembered
[18:38] <arko> eroomde: yo
[18:38] <FASTPanda> Well, there you go
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[18:39] <eroomde> arko: i've forgotten
[18:39] <eroomde> nvm
[18:39] <arko> lol
[18:39] <eroomde> i need a drink, I think
[18:40] <arko> heh, sounds like a good plan
[18:40] <eroomde> i've been designing mass flow meters recently
[18:40] <LeoBodnar> you back on coffee Ed?
[18:40] <FASTPanda> Here's the blog post. I don't know what time zone you are in, but it seems a bit early here for a drink. Even in Vegas... http://www.alicat.com/alicat-blog/alicats-in-the-wild/mass-flow-meters-for-high-altitude-ballooning/
[18:40] <arko> eroomde: nice what type?
[18:40] <eroomde> managed to recreate the british standard's tables full of empirical coefficients from first principles (or as we like to say, WITH SCIENCE) which makes me wonder why they don't just give the equations in the standard and let you have at it
[18:41] <eroomde> arko: venturi
[18:41] <arko> cool
[18:41] <LeoBodnar> We are in "ok to drink" timezone
[18:41] <n2nxz> Thinking of a psk31 tracker using this sort of thing > http://propnet.org/catch3.php?band=HY&last=1&call=&center=US
[18:41] <arko> FASTPanda: most people here are uk/eu
[18:41] <arko> im in los angeles
[18:41] <eroomde> i had a coffee today LeoBodnar
[18:41] <fsphil> I smelled a coffee from a distance today
[18:41] <fsphil> didn't like it
[18:41] <n2nxz> coffee...brb
[18:41] <arko> FASTPanda: let me know if you need a payload
[18:41] <eroomde> but my general consumption rate is much lower than during Eroomde BCCT
[18:42] <FASTPanda> I see. It really is 5 o 'clock somewhere
[18:42] <arko> just got coffee right now
[18:42] <eroomde> 18:42 here
[18:42] <fsphil> and 15 seconds
[18:42] <fsphil> oh i was one second too early
[18:42] <es5nhc> 20:42 here
[18:42] <eroomde> one of the things i liked about living in berlin was that 10am was a perfectly acceptable time for a beer
[18:42] <eroomde> and maybe some ham and cheese and a bread roll
[18:42] <fsphil> it's always a good time for ham and cheese
[18:43] <FASTPanda> Thanks <arko>. I'd love to see your "calculations of science," <eroomde>
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[18:44] <es5nhc> "Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, good morning dear students!" - Klaus Jürgen Haller
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[18:44] <RogerDodger> anyone around??
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[18:45] <eroomde> i could write them up
[18:45] <eroomde> but it was fairly standard fluid flow stuff
[18:45] <eroomde> you just want to watch P1/P2, left you go supersonic
[18:45] <eroomde> which you don't be wanting in a mass-flow meter
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[18:45] <FASTPanda> ah. No, wouldn't want to ruin the flowmeter of science
[18:45] <RogerDodger> N2NXZ are you here today?
[18:45] <fsphil> big bang?
[18:46] <DL7AD> evening
[18:46] <DL7AD> !
[18:46] <eroomde> not a big bang really
[18:46] <eroomde> just the flow becomes chocked
[18:46] <eroomde> and that makes all the sums go to pot because you lose information
[18:47] <n2nxz> just making coffee..here tho
[18:47] <FASTPanda> how much does said payload weigh, arko?
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[18:47] <eroomde> i tend to think of thermodynamic entropy from an information theory entropy point of view, because that's my background, so sorry if refering to chocked flow in terms of information loss is unhelpful
[18:47] <eroomde> you know what i mean
[18:47] <arko> FASTPanda: 34grams
[18:47] <arko> with battery
[18:48] <arko> going lighter at the moment
[18:48] <FASTPanda> holy cow. How long does the battery last?
[18:48] <arko> 24 hours or so
[18:48] <Upu> hey RogerDodger he's just taking a break
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[18:48] <arko> add 10 grams for every day of battery if you want
[18:49] <Upu> you not using GPS power saving arko ?
[18:49] <arko> im trying to get a solar thing going too
[18:49] <arko> Upu: adding that in soon yes
[18:49] <Upu> I can do 48 hours from the same FASTPanda :)
[18:49] <Upu> but Arko's hardware can do it
[18:49] <fsphil> well I can do .. 63 hours
[18:49] <fsphil> (lie)
[18:49] <arko> lol
[18:49] <Upu> new board may be able to do more as I can switch the GPS off entirely
[18:50] <Upu> transatlantic on one battery
[18:50] <Upu> ftw
[18:50] <LeoBodnar> 18 grams / 8 days
[18:50] <eroomde> but keep the ram warm right :)
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[18:50] <Upu> lol yes Leo wins
[18:50] <arko> oh LeoBodnar
[18:50] <arko> hahaha
[18:50] <Upu> and thats the 8 days you KNOW about
[18:50] <LeoBodnar> You would not want to do that Upu !
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[18:50] <fsphil> my gps cut out briefly overnight on the last flight
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[18:50] <fsphil> I think the cold got to it
[18:50] <arko> aww
[18:50] <fsphil> could be a problem for these efficient payloads
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[18:50] <FASTPanda_> Well, I got kicked off. I think it was the entropy comment
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[18:51] <eroomde> it ain't what it used to be
[18:51] <FASTPanda_> lol
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[18:51] <eroomde> there was a brief chat comparing grams vs days
[18:51] <eroomde> leobodnar won
[18:51] <n2nxz> just emailed to me..Ah....the APRS was through Lynn Deffenbaugh. He's the author of APRSISCE/32, an APRS program.
[18:51] <eroomde> 18g payload, 8 days run time
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> Ublox creates ugly long-lasting but real-looking fix on hot start: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-11/2.png
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[18:52] <FASTPanda_> arko: 34 grams is amazing, but we will hopefully need something that lasts longer than 24 hours. Is it just a matter of a bigger battery?
[18:52] <eroomde> arko does 24hrs with his payload, though should be able to do 48hrs with gps power saving
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[18:52] <eroomde> like upuwork
[18:52] <arko> FASTPanda: add 10 grams for every 48 hours
[18:52] <Upu> FASTPanda his hardware can do 48 hours from a single AA with the right code
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[18:52] <arko> BRO
[18:52] <arko> GET A BETTER CONNECTION
[18:52] <arko> :P
[18:53] <eroomde> he can't hear you
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[18:53] <arko> FASTPanda_:
[18:53] <arko> ah
[18:53] <Upu> its the NSA
[18:53] <arko> doh
[18:53] <FASTPanda_> Um. I definitely want one of those
[18:53] <n2nxz> NSA ?
[18:53] <Upu> "Dude we got another american discussing low weight payloads, quick kill his connection"
[18:53] <eroomde> Upu has a very lovely and friendly picture that he has about american hab payloads
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> SInce you are close to Ublox maybe it will force them to clarify where the problem lies with hot starts
[18:53] <arko> hahaha
[18:53] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/oHtCr#5
[18:53] <eroomde> ask him to show you
[18:53] <n2nxz> did anyone see the building we launch next to on the map?
[18:54] <FASTPanda_> We like our American payloads large and in charge, lol
[18:54] <Upu> or see http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-2/index.html
[18:54] <nats`> time to eat !
[18:54] <nats`> spaghetti FTW
[18:54] <FASTPanda_> Ours currently weighs 189 grams all packaged up
[18:54] <arko> FASTPanda_: i dont!
[18:54] <eroomde> Upu: the photo of the USA pico payload
[18:54] <arko> smaller mass yo!
[18:54] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/Funny/pico.jpg
[18:54] <arko> less helium more challenging
[18:54] <arko> damn i love that picture
[18:54] <Upu> sorry in advance
[18:54] <fsphil> lol
[18:54] <fsphil> arko made it not true anymore
[18:54] <nats`> :D
[18:54] <arko> FASTPanda_: i can get you something built and sent over
[18:55] <arko> if you are going trans atlantic
[18:55] <Upu> this is it coming into land : http://i.imgur.com/36s5f.gif
[18:55] <arko> <100g i can get you 2 weeks of power
[18:55] <arko> hahahaha
[18:55] <Upu> In "funny" I have this too : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/Funny/xBJoyFq.jpg
[18:56] <fsphil> hah
[18:56] <arko> FASTPanda_: i'll have solar within a month
[18:56] <eroomde> that's *amazing*
[18:56] <FASTPanda_> The transmitter only weighs 35 grams, it's the battery that gets us
[18:56] <eroomde> also the sword oner
[18:56] <arko> and some more stuff
[18:56] <eroomde> one*
[18:56] <Upu> I don't have that one Ed
[18:56] <fsphil> yea where is the sword one?
[18:56] <eroomde> shame
[18:56] <arko> FASTPanda_: 34grams with a battery
[18:56] <Upu> ping Darkside
[18:56] <arko> add 10 grams for every 48 hours
[18:56] <Upu> we need your meme
[18:56] <n2nxz> cool pic
[18:56] <Upu> right afk cooking back in a bit
[18:57] <arko> hahaha Darkside
[18:57] <FASTPanda_> arko: sounds great
[18:57] <arko> FASTPanda_: plus you can be tracking station for when i launch too :P
[18:57] <arko> i'll help where i can
[18:58] <FASTPanda_> sure, would love the help and be happy to fire up the truck for tracking
[18:58] <FASTPanda_> (that's where the radio is, to be clear)
[18:58] <n2nxz> <FASTPanda_> We like our American payloads large and in charge, lol...while looking at my tinytrakplus :)
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[18:59] <FASTPanda_> ha. I like them small too, but have a hard time getting there when balancing the power needs of a long flight
[19:00] <Flying_Apple_ED> What is the power output?
[19:00] <eroomde> omg there are loads of you
[19:00] <FASTPanda_> arko: You can get in touch with me via info@flyapple.org
[19:00] <FASTPanda_> Yes, I forgot to ask. arko: what is the power output?
[19:01] <eroomde> it'll be 10mW
[19:01] <eroomde> i announce in my capacity as arko's cache server
[19:01] <arko> FASTPanda_: 10mW to a max of 200mW
[19:01] <LeoBodnar> 400km radius mW
[19:01] <fsphil> 5 minutes per image mW
[19:02] <eroomde> 700km with the right atmospheric woo
[19:02] <arko> Flying_Apple_ED: FASTPanda_: you guys have any spare flow meters :D ?
[19:02] <FASTPanda_> What is our power output, Flying_Apple_ED? Assuming I know you?
[19:02] <arko> i'd love to get one
[19:02] <eroomde> note that henry was getting 40mBit/s from his cubesat
[19:02] <eroomde> 1W
[19:02] <eroomde> 40MBit/s*
[19:02] <arko> and thats in space!
[19:02] <eroomde> spaaaaaaace
[19:02] <fsphil> aliens
[19:02] <FASTPanda_> no, but I'm sure Alicat would be more than happy to set you up
[19:02] <Flying_Apple_ED> 10 watt
[19:02] <arko> holy mother of god
[19:02] <fsphil> clearly Henry has access to advanced alien tech
[19:03] <eroomde> 'murica
[19:03] <arko> FASTPanda_: :D
[19:03] <FASTPanda_> or invite us over for your next launch and we can bring her along...
[19:03] <arko> eroomde: i now know how you guys felt when i first joined
[19:03] <fsphil> I'd quite like to try 9600 baud
[19:03] <arko> FASTPanda_: :)
[19:03] <arko> ok
[19:03] <FASTPanda_> We apparently like our power large and in charge too, lol
[19:03] <arko> eroomde: cache server?
[19:03] <FASTPanda_> that's a big difference
[19:04] <eroomde> so we use 1000x less Tx power than you, and still basically get line of site on 70cm
[19:04] <LeoBodnar> 800km APRS on 15mW from Africa to Spain
[19:04] <eroomde> the record is something like 700km, 400km is quite routine
[19:04] <FASTPanda_> nice. We don't seem to have a problem getting line of site :)
[19:04] <LeoBodnar> 10W has the same LOS as 10mW
[19:04] <eroomde> for 10W you could be streaming HD video back :)
[19:04] <n2nxz> 4.5 hours last night line of site
[19:05] <fsphil> mmmm
[19:05] <fsphil> he did have a very big receiver antenna though
[19:05] <fsphil> easier to aim one at a satellite
[19:05] <n2nxz> radio shack discone
[19:05] <eroomde> yes
[19:05] <fsphil> than a spinny drify hab payload
[19:05] <LeoBodnar> but probably 100 less running time
[19:05] <fsphil> but we should definilty play with faster modes
[19:06] <fsphil> could easily get lots of data over 434mhz with a good antenna on the ground
[19:06] <eroomde> yep
[19:06] <fsphil> might try cooking up something in gnuradio
[19:06] <fsphil> it has modules for most of this stuff already
[19:07] <eroomde> yup
[19:07] <LeoBodnar> Higher power on HF is complete game changer though...
[19:07] <eroomde> we need the darkside
[19:07] <FASTPanda_> in what way?
[19:07] <eroomde> over the horizon
[19:07] <fsphil> high bandwidth of HF would be cool too
[19:09] <fsphil> oh yea, I was going to have a listen on HF for that beacon
[19:10] <mclane> hi upu, yoe've got a new pAVA design?
[19:13] <arko> eroomde: oooo HD stream
[19:13] <eroomde> right, i am gonna head home
[19:13] <eroomde> it is time for a drink and some food
[19:13] <eroomde> bon nuit
[19:14] <eroomde> shuttle topography data still downloaing
[19:14] <eroomde> sighness 10000
[19:16] <arko> the punter?
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[19:16] <DL1SGP1> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> hallo
[19:16] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
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[19:26] <jcoxon> evening
[19:26] <DL1SGP> good evening jcoxon
[19:27] <arko> ahoy
[19:28] <LeoBodnar> yo
[19:29] <FASTPanda_> hiya
[19:32] <LeoBodnar> Is n2nxz last known position 45.086916,-67.808173 (considering fixed padding)
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[19:38] <Upu> evening mclane yes new design
[19:45] <mclane> what I can see on the pictures: 2 different power supplies?
[19:46] <mclane> different transmitter?
[19:48] <Upu> yes you can have either step up
[19:48] <Upu> or solar powered
[19:48] <mclane> ah cool
[19:48] <Upu> and yes its based on the SI4060 which I used on the PAVA 8
[19:48] <Upu> TCXO
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[19:49] <mclane> domex16 capable I assume
[19:49] <Upu> yes I pinched Leo's idea for that
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[19:55] <n2nxz> <LeoBodnar>...Just back to PC...shower/ shave.I do not have any other info...too tired to look at anything so far today ..
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[20:11] <jcoxon> evening (again)
[20:11] <Upu> evening
[20:12] <eroomde> yoyo jcoxabizzle
[20:13] <LeoBodnar> evening
[20:13] <LeoBodnar> what's new jcoxon ?
[20:14] <eroomde> woah-woah-wo-oh
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> I found something called "Pot Noodles" from Unilever in the supermarket and it has a british flag saying "100% original", so I suppose that is from britain somehow, and I like how it says next to the instructions "It's not rocket science!"
[20:17] <craag> I'm not sure I'd ever buy pot noodles and expect them to be rocket science :P
[20:17] <mikestir> should probably say "It's not food"
[20:18] <daveake> Unilever make all sorts of chemicals
[20:18] <daveake> perhaps not rocket fuel
[20:19] <fsphil> did you buy it Lunar_Lander?
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:20] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: they're our national dish
[20:20] <eroomde> well, one of them
[20:20] <eroomde> the queen famously quite likes them
[20:21] <eroomde> and they're often served as an amuse-bouche at formal dinners and high society events
[20:21] <eroomde> you should try one, it's a delicacy
[20:23] <mfa298> craag: you might have don't better ending that sentence before the and.
[20:24] <mfa298> s/don't/done/
[20:25] <craag> I've eaten plenty of pot noodles in my time :)
[20:25] <craag> Asda has the 15p? ones
[20:26] <daveake> They are only found in the forests of southern England, where they are located by hoards of specially trained noodle hogs
[20:26] <fsphil> related, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuPhTdMn7jY
[20:26] <eroomde> they defend their patches
[20:26] <mfa298> I try not to eat them (I have done in the past as a quick snack although cardboard might have more nutritional value
[20:26] <eroomde> lots of poisening of other people's hogs
[20:28] Nick change: MichaelC1 -> MichaelC
[20:28] <eroomde> that youtube video is pretty much what our office is like
[20:29] <FASTPanda_> These sound amazing. Perhaps I should consider a pot noodle import business. Or if I can just capture and ship one of those hogs...
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[20:31] <jcoxon> any hints of n2nxz's 10m beacon?
[20:32] <fsphil> not hearing anything here, but the band is pretty empty overall
[20:32] <fsphil> conditions are not great
[20:32] <craag> FASTPanda_: Obviously you need our forests to grow the noodles, beware though, the trees feed on HAB payloads.
[20:33] <eroomde> they make the best fertilizer for pot noodles though
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[20:33] <FASTPanda_> That's no good. I'm in the desert of Las Vegas. We have a couple of scrubby bushes, but that's it.
[20:34] <eroomde> all of daveake's hab activities are actually just a shell to launder money for the pot noodle foraging underworld
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[20:35] <jcoxon> hysplit says going for spain
[20:36] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/176737_trj001.gif
[20:36] <fsphil> man we are really far noth
[20:36] <fsphil> +r
[20:37] <eroomde> yes
[20:37] <eroomde> amazing isn't it
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[20:37] <eroomde> you're probably level with stockholm
[20:37] <eroomde> or something
[20:37] <eroomde> praise be for the gulf stream
[20:37] <jcoxon> indeed
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[20:39] <Upu> on the plus side
[20:39] <Upu> its going near the Azores
[20:39] <fsphil> nice to see a station there on spacenear
[20:39] <eroomde> the azores hams are always there when you need them
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[20:40] <jcoxon> i suspect a websdr there would be very popular
[20:40] <LeoBodnar> And we always need them
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> I think they have an SDR online
[20:41] <jcoxon> less then 48hrs to cross
[20:42] <LeoBodnar> [04:45] <CS8ABG> goto remotehams.com download the app and listen for CU2ARA remote station
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> Who needs steamships?
[20:44] <eroomde> not I
[20:44] <eroomde> however
[20:45] <eroomde> there is a great romance attached to them
[20:45] <eroomde> eg Peter Ustinov as Poirot in 'Murder on the Nile'
[20:45] <eroomde> who wouldn't like to spend all day in a louunge suit but rhen retire to one's cabin to change into black tie to meet for luncheon
[20:45] <eroomde> then change back into the lounge suit for the afternoon with a cocktail on deck, + splendid conversation
[20:46] <eroomde> then retire at 6.30 to one's cabin to change into white time for drinks and then dinner
[20:46] <eroomde> white tie*
[20:46] <eroomde> and do cigars and brandy through until about 1am
[20:46] <eroomde> then go to bed
[20:46] <eroomde> repeat
[20:46] <eroomde> sounds perfect to me
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[20:46] <eroomde> so long as i could have an array of agilent equipment in my cabin anyway
[20:46] <eroomde> monologue.
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> They did it for a while but decided to invent youtube instead
[20:47] <fsphil> you need to invent time travel eroomde
[20:47] <eroomde> a moderate substitute
[20:48] <LeoBodnar> probably re-invent fsphil
[20:48] <eroomde> can one apply time-based prefixes to the invention of timetravel?
[20:49] <fsphil> I'll have find out
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> how do we know that those enjoying this lifestyle were not on a short break from the future?
[20:50] <fsphil> shaping the past into a Poirot story
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[20:50] <fsphil> guess that's what sunk the Titanic -- too many time travellers
[20:51] <es5nhc> Agatha Christie's Poirot is shown daily on public TV here in Estonia BTW
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> I will stuff my cabin with R&S and we can discuss the vagaries of both over brandy on the top deck
[20:51] <es5nhc> The series with David Suchet
[20:51] <eroomde> i'll meat you by the clock tower during the storm at midnight
[20:51] <eroomde> we, meet you
[20:51] <eroomde> er*
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> lol
[20:52] <fsphil> I'll try and get a proper car for the evening
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> oh hi to estonia es5nhc
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> Sreudian flip?
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, and TARDIS
[20:52] <fsphil> I got a faulty TARDIS, smaller on the inside
[20:53] <eroomde> Fresh Meat is well written
[20:53] <eroomde> i like it
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[20:53] <napos> es5nhc, it was better when they only aired it at sunday evenings and you actually had some new episodes
[20:53] <eroomde> Freudian Penis, er, slip?
[20:54] <es5nhc> There are so many episodes out there it doesn't matter frankly. I like seeing them all
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> napos, greetings to Estonia to you too
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:54] <napos> we're slowly taking over :D
[20:55] <es5nhc> The Estonians Are Coming!
[20:55] <eroomde> every 3 months we say UKHAS is a silly name given the UK bit is now a historical relic
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[20:55] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> I proposed more sections on the UKHAS website, i.e. "UKHAS NL", "UKHAS Germany"
[20:56] <N2NXZ_> had to restart browser
[20:56] <Upu> try a proper client such as mIRC or another
[20:56] <napos> I, for one, welcome our uk has overlords :p
[20:56] <es5nhc> Kind of defeats the purpose to have two country names in the name LOL :D
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> UK has NL?
[20:56] <daveake> Now it's Estonians; earlier it was USAians, and tomorrow it might be Elbonians
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[20:56] <eroomde> one of the few places we never had
[20:56] <eroomde> we already had cheese toasties, so no point invading
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> "UKHAS Continental Europe"
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:57] <Upu> lol
[20:57] <LeoBodnar> Too much Dilbert Dave
[20:57] <daveake> how is that possible?
[20:57] <es5nhc> But yeah... was fun listening to ORION over here. Especially being able to decode a few packets
[20:57] <N2NXZ_> Just received a package containing the payloads from Nov,16 launch !!
[20:57] <fsphil> nice
[20:57] <N2NXZ_> Even the Lithium 9v`s
[20:57] <Upu> thats damn lucky to get them back
[20:57] <es5nhc> Maybe time for EU HAS?
[20:57] <Upu> think larger es5nhc
[20:58] <fsphil> solar system?
[20:58] <es5nhc> Or Milky Way
[20:58] <Upu> I was thinking Milky Way but I'll go with that
[20:58] <craag> MWHAS!
[20:58] <daveake> ZZ 9 Plural Z Alpha HAS
[20:58] <eroomde> MilkyHAS
[20:58] <LeoBodnar> EU can haz hab now
[20:58] <eroomde> that should get us blocked
[20:58] <craag> MWHAHAHA...S
[20:58] <fsphil> I'd quite like one of us at some point to have a HAB on Venus, Titan or Mars
[20:59] <daveake> won't need a notam
[20:59] <es5nhc> Cube orbiter on a Martian orbit :D
[20:59] <daveake> not for the HAB bit anyway
[20:59] <napos> daveake, as long as there's no poetry
[20:59] <fsphil> though I suspect it would need something better than a ublox
[21:00] <eroomde> there has been a venutian hab
[21:01] <fsphil> indeedy
[21:01] <N2NXZ_> One batt reads 8.78 other reads8.37 v
[21:01] <fsphil> shame the gas giants have mostly hydrogen atmospheres
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> and I think ESA aims at two probes for launch 2028 and 2034, one proposal is a Venus Balloon
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> another is a Uranus Orbiter
[21:02] <eroomde> i bet £10 on none of them being luanched on those proposed dates
[21:02] <fsphil> I bet £20 you're right
[21:03] <fsphil> not sure betting works that way but hey
[21:03] <LeoBodnar> taxpayer will pay up
[21:03] <fsphil> Neptune has more interseting moons than Uranus
[21:03] <fsphil> interesting*
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> I was sad when hearing that they could have sent the New Horizons Backup to either of these planets
[21:04] <eroomde> LeoBodnar: taxpayer has payed up many times
[21:04] <eroomde> makes no difference to timeliness
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> I was worried about fsphil £20 bet
[21:04] <eroomde> our parachute testing work (4 undergrads, £25k) was pretty mmuch all they had to show for about 6 years of research into exomars entry-descent and landing
[21:04] <eroomde> on which millions had been spent
[21:04] <eroomde> this was 2010
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> just imagine Voyager would have been like if they'd done the "Grand Tour" proposal
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> launching four probes on Saturn V and dropping orbiters at each Gas planet
[21:05] <eroomde> i had to personally drive all the test hardware over to ESTEC to hand deliber it to be displayed at the ministerial meeting
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[21:05] <eroomde> we were pretty much the main show
[21:05] <eroomde> it was a bit of a wake-up call
[21:05] <napos> I'd be happy to pay for space exploration and that kinds of stuff, but my tax ¬ are being spent on who-knows-what
[21:05] <eroomde> and the point at which i decided to try and not spend my 20s within the esa system
[21:06] <eroomde> so much money being farted away
[21:06] <LeoBodnar> parachutes are not the worst thing to spend tax money on
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[21:06] <LeoBodnar> at least they [can] exist
[21:06] <fsphil> tis if you've nothing to attach to it :)
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> it's like in germany where each household has to pay 17.98 per month since January 1 this year for Radio or TV even if none of these exist in the household
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> public TV thus has an income of about 8 Billion Euro/year
[21:08] <eroomde> we could do so much more with the money we spend on spaceflight though
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> and then I read that running ISS since 2000 has cost "just" 7 billion
[21:08] <es5nhc> I watch German TV on satellite... the public channels are great
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:08] <es5nhc> Quite a few of my German TV favourites air on ARD or ZDF
[21:08] <eroomde> but i fear probably yhe majority of it is just laundered to end up with big military prime subcontractors
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> this is a thing everyone is complaining also, the countries around us have encrypted their public TV
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> so that only subscribers can watch
[21:08] <eroomde> because governments directly giving them money would be illegal
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> german TV is FTA
[21:09] <eroomde> so they give them about 10 million euros to come up with a microsoft word document that concludes they can't really do anything much
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[21:09] <fsphil> UK's satellite channels are fta, if you've a big enough dish outside the footprint
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> es5nhc, but that sounds interesting
[21:09] <eroomde> another 100 salaries paid for that year
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, yeah
[21:09] <es5nhc> Yeah. Mainstream German TV channels are free-to-air, and can be received in most of Europe. My dish itself is 19.2°E+13.0°E
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> Italian also I think, but Dutch TV is encrypted, Austrian, Swiss
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:09] <LeoBodnar> 20 million can buy a LaTeX document
[21:10] <es5nhc> Yeah, from Dutch I can only see BVN FTA
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:10] <fsphil> eroomde: how much does the UK give to ESA vs the uk's own space companies?
[21:10] <es5nhc> And that is a combined channel with NL and Flanders
[21:10] <fsphil> *UK government
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:10] <daveake> I find that most of them are encrypted, in foreign languages
[21:10] <eroomde> fsphil: not sure, it's quite a tangled web
[21:10] <eroomde> so we are in a very special and unique place
[21:10] <fsphil> ah
[21:10] <napos> yea, digital tv has it's downsides.. i can speak finnish just because I used to watch finnish tv when I was a kid.. and since nowadays you can't, my daughter won't be able to learn finnish as easily as I did
[21:10] <eroomde> and given all this channel is logged and this is actually serious i probably shouldn't have public rants
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> in short ARD/ZDF have 8 billion per year and they should use them for the good
[21:11] <fsphil> making mouse cartoons?
[21:11] <fsphil> I miss the BBC's Learning Zone
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> xD well that actually is still one of the best shows
[21:12] <LeoBodnar> I don't think you have surprised anybody eroomde
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> but people can't understand why ARD says "We were watched by X people yesterday night"
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> they shouldn't have to care about viewer numbers as they don't rely on commercials
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[21:12] <fsphil> the bbc got rather excited by how many people watch doctor who
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:13] <es5nhc> Yeah... unless you live right up the coast and can erect a powerful antenna. I also lost otherwise very snowy-barely there Latvian public channels with digital transition. I picked up quite a bit of Latvian from TV. I can still hear FM radio channels from Valmiera here
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:13] <es5nhc> ZDF just now talking about the bad-a&%¤ storm that is about to hit C Europe
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> and private TV makes me sad, when I hear that Heidi Klum disturbes an uni lecture to meet some woman who applied for her topmodel show
[21:14] <fsphil> we're able to receive the republic of ireland's tv channels -- which show basically the same stuff, just with more adverts
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:14] <eroomde> fsphil: basically i'm not sure what the ratio is
[21:14] <es5nhc> My fave private TV channel on Germany is Welt der Wunder TV
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:14] <eroomde> probably mostly esa for (nominally) basic research and dev
[21:14] <fsphil> eroomde: can understand it being complex
[21:14] <eroomde> ukgov will have very specific things it want to fund
[21:15] <eroomde> there are also little pots of money for like £50k-£100k from the technology strategy board
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> es5nhc, just don't watch pro7 galileo, they embarrassed themselves so often, i.e. saying "the Compass needle is pointed towards the North Pole, which is due to the iron mountains there"
[21:15] <eroomde> they take a lot of work for the money though
[21:16] <N2NXZ_> Just plugged in one of the same batteries to this beacon payload return here and it works...ha ha ha
[21:16] <napos> Lunar_Lander, wha? somebody actually said that on air?
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:16] <LeoBodnar> Launch N2NXZ_ !
[21:16] <es5nhc> Eheh... Actually one private channel is showing Galileo with translation here in Estonia too. Thanks for the caveat...
[21:17] <napos> spend more on education, ffs :D
[21:17] <N2NXZ_> ha ha ...i know...
[21:17] <N2NXZ_> i should test the 40m too
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[21:18] <DL1SGP> Lunar_Lander: Galileo iz bad? I thought thems did serious science :P
[21:18] <N2NXZ_> these lithium 9v`s are 12$ each here
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> Energizer Ultimate Lithiums?
[21:19] <napos> but I guess Aldous Huxley was right, not Orwell..
[21:19] <N2NXZ_> Rayovac
[21:19] <napos> we don't need to be controlled, just "entertained"
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> DL1SGP, xD
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> "Telekom Entertain"
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[21:19] <DL1SGP> lol
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> at least Telekom dropped the plans to introduce volume based slowing of internet flatrates
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[21:20] <DL1SGP> right, now they gonna creep up their bandwidth as much as such limits never can be reached
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> es5nhc, I got one more Galileo thing, for some reason they spent one film on attempting to break one of these articulated busses
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> one thing they did was letting a truck roll down a hill into the bus while explaining that the steering was arrested as no one may sit in the truck
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> when they show the slowmo you can actually see the hands of some guy on the steering wheel
[21:22] <eroomde> how could they do that to an innocent bus
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[21:26] <DL1SGP> eroomde: scientific level of galileo http://cheezburger.com/7907189760
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[21:30] <Reb-SM3ULC> Good evening
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[21:31] <DL1SGP> God Kvaell Reb-SM3ULC
[21:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> Guten abend DL1!
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[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:32] <DL1SGP> :)
[21:32] <Reb-SM3ULC> N2NXZ_: any news on the transatlantic?
[21:34] <N2NXZ_> nothing yet...still waiting for word here ...not sure where else to look.
[21:34] <N2NXZ_> Tried listening for HF beacon this am...no luck here
[21:35] <DL1SGP> N2NXZ_: I think by now most we can do is hope that it will activate APRS at soem point and get picked up, or somebody hears the CW beacon tomorrow
[21:35] <N2NXZ_> maybe should try searching beacon spotter sites
[21:35] <N2NXZ_> yes...waiting game
[21:36] <DL1SGP> won't be in shack much the next 2 days
[21:36] <N2NXZ_> not sure when an estimated time of arrive might be if it did survuve?
[21:36] <DL1SGP> heh, if it did survive :)
[21:36] <N2NXZ_> survive
[21:36] <N2NXZ_> i know...no one will know and maybe never :(
[21:37] <DL1SGP> one could try to run a hysplit on last known position
[21:37] <DL1SGP> but even then you have chances that it is utterly wrong
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[21:42] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/rMjHXu3.gif
[21:42] <arko> neat ISS gif
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[21:47] <DL1SGP> hmm, GFS based prediction for atlantic crossing based on last known location: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/177462_trj001.gif might be a bit too far north for the listener on S. Miguel Island, however if it stays in that prediction it would reach Portugal by noon tomorrow
[21:48] <Upu> thats what WB8ELK summised
[21:48] <Upu> sed on a float of about 26,000 meters it would arrive over Portugal Thursday night Dec. 5th around 2300 UTC
[21:48] <DL1SGP> ah :) thanks upu
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[22:01] <OH7HJ-1> What freq for HF beacon?
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[22:04] <LeoBodnar> DL1SGP: last position was 45.086916,-67.808173 (corrected for padding glitch)
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[22:05] <N2NXZ> good grief...had to reboot pc...guess was running to many things
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[22:10] <LeoBodnar> Here's my take on it for altitudes of 23, 26, 29km: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/177820_trj001.gif
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[22:12] <N2NXZ> <LeoBodnar>..looks good...lets hope it goes like that soon
[22:13] <N2NXZ> Looking for a report on beacon but not one of the locals who were to listen emailed me as of yet
[22:13] <N2NXZ> would have been nice to get a frequency idea
[22:14] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=3636094
[22:14] <Laurenceb_> interesting, thanks
[22:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> does the JS change a lot, i.e., is it possible to aim for middle of europe?
[22:15] <LeoBodnar> There is 3V version
[22:16] <Laurenceb_> its not _too_ expensive
[22:16] <Laurenceb_> parker hannafin is about 30 euros
[22:18] <LeoBodnar> This has a tiny effective area and some weird mating designed for a cradle that hosts dozens of them side-by-side
[22:18] <LeoBodnar> Nice design though if mounted in a piece of equipment
[22:19] <Laurenceb_> yeah, good for fairly powerful pneumatics
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> is the floater dead?
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[22:20] <LeoBodnar> out of range atm
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[22:23] <Laurenceb_> hopefully :P
[22:25] <LeoBodnar> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2278441.html ".. and the amazing fact that such boiling is negligible.." rare language for a patent
[22:25] Action: Laurenceb_ wonders if doom can be ported to f4discovery
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[22:26] <LeoBodnar> Doom III yay
[22:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[22:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: as far i can see - You have reproduced my bug in code ;-)
[22:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> in Your code ;-)
[22:27] <LeoBodnar> Bah HAM bug
[22:27] <LeoBodnar> good evening
[22:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> Evening Leo :-)
[22:27] <Laurenceb_> http://www.google.com/patents/US1059955
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[22:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> any news about N2NXZ ?
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[22:29] <LeoBodnar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsN2JIRGHAo#t=26
[22:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> wow
[22:29] <Laurenceb_> wolfstein has just been ported to f4
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> hah
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> wow it actually runs
[22:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> Ti84 ?
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> http://education.ti.com/en/us/nspire-family/cx-handhelds
[22:31] <LeoBodnar> http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US6055910
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: are you going into the tube making buisness?
[22:32] <Laurenceb_> thats my great grandfather :P
[22:32] <mikestir> doom ran ok on a 386 so I'd be fairly surprised if it wouldn't run on an f4
[22:32] <mikestir> (I'm not volunteering :)
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: Ah!
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: Neat.
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h1xQwvbt2KM
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[22:37] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avbnkhvZrVo&feature=youtu.be
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[22:38] <SpeedEvil> You almost have to work at it today to make a graphical computer that can't run doom.
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[22:38] <fsphil> that arm emulator on avr would do
[22:39] <fsphil> or not do even
[22:42] <LeoBodnar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_r3z1jYHAc
[22:45] <LeoBodnar> Cheap way of testing distributed computing projects
[22:49] <Upu> yes SP9UOB-Tom not proud of that achievement :)
[22:49] <sa6bss> Hi, will leave my radio on 28.219 tomorow as a grabber where you can view if there is any signals comming through
[22:50] <sa6bss> you can se it at http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/
[22:50] <Upu> be interesting if you hear anything
[22:50] <sa6bss> I´m usuly does this for qrss but it should wok for this kind of signal as well
[22:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: ;-)
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[22:51] <sa6bss> I have good conditions allmost daily to south europa /spain /portugal
[22:52] <N2NXZ> Ran ARGO qrss last night to morning for capture every 1 minute...only a few frags of something seen here
[22:52] <sa6bss> ok
[22:52] <N2NXZ> browsing web rx now in Europe running argo
[22:52] <N2NXZ> searching :)
[22:52] <sa6bss> using spectrumlabs, same thing as argo just some more tweeks to it :) http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/
[22:53] <N2NXZ> will save your link ..tnx
[22:53] <sa6bss> it updates everu ten minutes
[22:53] <N2NXZ> i have speclab too
[22:54] <N2NXZ> forgot the PW for my grabber...probably really old captures still there ...lol
[22:54] <sa6bss> have it running in qrss 3 sek mode
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[22:54] <N2NXZ> ok
[22:54] <N2NXZ> running cw mode here while watching
[22:55] <N2NXZ> jumping from one web rx to another tonight!
[22:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> 28.219 is actual TX (carrier) frequency, or USB dial frequency ?
[22:55] <N2NXZ> last I heard the beacon was on 28.220 or so...but may have chnged by now
[22:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> quiet here
[22:56] <N2NXZ> CW mode freq
[22:56] <N2NXZ> 6k bandwidth
[22:56] <N2NXZ> been tuning 218,219 and 220 here
[22:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> 6k?
[22:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> 6 kHz You mean ?
[22:57] <N2NXZ> yes
[22:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> which rig does allow 6 kHz in CW mode :) ?
[22:58] <N2NXZ> lazy on kybrd ...lol
[22:58] <sa6bss> expanded the view of the spectrum so it spans through 28.219 to 28.220
[22:58] <sa6bss> it updates in 2 in
[22:58] <sa6bss> min
[22:58] <N2NXZ> good deal
[22:59] <N2NXZ> up on it now
[23:00] <LeoBodnar> good night chaps
[23:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> night Leo
[23:01] <N2NXZ> good night
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[23:05] <nats`> what means chaps ?
[23:05] <fsphil> people
[23:06] <nats`> oky :)
[23:06] <nats`> sounds like schnaps
[23:06] <nats`> but maybe I'm an alcohol addict :p
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[23:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
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[23:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> The SSDV images on habhub.org, is there a list of the flights up there or are they deleted ? trying to point a newbie at more than the last Orion flight ?
[23:17] <daveake> You can add /payload_id to the URL
[23:18] <daveake> However they disappear after 1 week anyway
[23:18] <fsphil> historical ones can be gotten if you know the date
[23:18] <fsphil> there should really be a list somewhere
[23:19] <fsphil> eg, http://ssdv.habhub.org/PIE6/2013-05-26
[23:19] <daveake> Ah didn't know that :)
[23:19] <daveake> Useful
[23:20] <fsphil> yes I should probably document this
[23:21] <daveake> :)
[23:21] <fsphil> nice clear day that
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[23:23] <fsphil> the archive only goes back until the site was moved to habhub
[23:24] <daveake> Yes that was a good flight except for the "WTF has it gone?" bit after landing :p
[23:24] <N2NXZ> 213 is a really cool image
[23:24] <daveake> 213 ???
[23:24] <daveake> That's naff
[23:25] <N2NXZ> photo number from link
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[23:25] <ibanezmatt13_> 214 for me
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[23:26] <N2NXZ> all of them
[23:26] <fsphil> was this a dual frequency one?
[23:26] <daveake> Yes
[23:26] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/snap314_ifl-1024x768.jpg was the best one
[23:27] <ibanezmatt13_> that is quite something
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[23:28] <ibanezmatt13_> ah so tired. Good night
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[23:29] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-04-13--18-26-36-PIE5-C5.jpeg
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[23:30] <daveake> Yeah, a common effect on the Pi cam
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[23:31] <arko> pink_floyd_mode = 1
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[23:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks fsphil ! bit of a pain remembering the dates I'll have to refer to my web pages.
[23:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> I never realised there would be so many flights when I started them! Something new I think for 2014
[23:37] <qwebirc5042> .
[23:39] <fsphil> I'll make a page on there that lists them
[23:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> That would be good :-)
[23:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> or give read access to the dir at the top of the structure if its as simple as that ?
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[23:56] <fsphil> it's all in a database
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