highaltitude.log.20131201

[00:00] <DL1SGP> if now the hostname resolution worked here hehe
[00:02] <Laurenceb_> entering Germany
[00:02] <DL1SGP> who?
[00:02] <DL1SGP> :)
[00:03] <DL1SGP> I gonna restart a router, brb
[00:04] <Laurenceb_> first real rx in Poland
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[00:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> i go to sleep gn all
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[00:50] <PE2G> Fast, small freq shifts since a couple of minutes
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[01:08] <Laurenceb_> LOL
[01:09] <Laurenceb_> 8 bit overflow
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[01:27] <PB0NER> f of icarus?
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[04:49] <jcoxon> Hey all
[04:50] <jcoxon> What's the status of the balloons in the sir. Can't access snus from work
[04:51] <jcoxon> Air*
[05:00] <Andrew_M6GTG> ORION at 31km and currently over Poland
[05:01] <jcoxon> Cool
[05:01] <jcoxon> sunrise will be interesting
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[05:02] <Andrew_M6GTG> more or less going in a straight line east
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[05:04] <Andrew_M6GTG> nothing else has any recent reports SP9UOB no report since 9pm
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[05:56] <jcoxon> Hopefully B-32 might reappear on aprs
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[06:05] <x-f> good morning
[06:07] <x-f> i have no sign of Orion yet
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[06:20] <x-f> sun is up!
[06:20] <x-f> found the signal, but it's too weak to decode
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[06:29] <arko> oh man beautiful altitude profile
[06:30] <arko> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[06:30] <arko> pretty sunrise :)
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[06:37] <es5nhc> Morning
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[06:39] Action: es5nhc looks at the map, then scrambles for his 9-el DK7ZB and RTL-SDR
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[06:43] <Martin_G4FUI> ORION altitude increasing ...
[06:43] <es5nhc> QRG?
[06:44] <DJ3AK> 434651.3 tones 1200/1625 USB 300Bd 425 Hz
[06:44] <es5nhc> tnx
[06:45] <DJ3AK> gm
[06:47] <x-f> morning
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[06:57] <es5nhc> So far haven't heard anything
[06:58] <arko> wow image 140
[06:58] <DJ3AK> lost the sigs now
[06:58] <DJ3AK> due to distance more than 650 km
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[07:06] <f5ct> Good yesterday evening but nil in the morning
[07:06] <es5nhc> Latvians, anybody hearing anything?
[07:06] <x-f> i do, but cannot decode yet
[07:10] <x-f> DJ3AK, when ORION transmits only a tone, is it on the left or right?
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[07:11] <DJ3AK> x-f the tone is to the right (upper tone)
[07:11] <x-f> thanks
[07:12] <DJ3AK> for me shift 425 Hz and filter 300 Hz worked best
[07:12] <x-f> the "swap i&q" was ticked..
[07:12] <DJ3AK> ah, ok
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[07:23] <x-f> signal seems strong enough, but nothing in dl-fldigi - http://i.imgur.com/A12e35I.png
[07:24] <es5nhc> looks like wrong shift
[07:26] <x-f> was 425
[07:27] <DJ3AK> maybe try 600 Hz shift then
[07:27] <es5nhc> autoconfig also puts it at 600 fwiw
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[07:29] <es5nhc> Although judging by the waterfall the shift is somewhat more than 600. 650?
[07:30] <x-f> no improvements..
[07:30] <x-f> AFC keeps jumping the markers off
[07:31] <es5nhc> btw... try switching off afc, and maybe also squelch
[07:32] <DJ3AK> x-f you nearly had the $$ORION decoded so I guess the signal needs another 2 or 3 dB
[07:33] <x-f> squelch is off, AFC is on slow
[07:34] <WillTablet> Right I have my actual ham exam today
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[07:35] <es5nhc> hearing it
[07:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: check if You have 8 bits set !
[07:37] <x-f> i have
[07:37] <es5nhc> cfm... shift appears 600
[07:38] <es5nhc> 1.5 stop bits or 2
[07:39] <x-f> fsphil said 1.5
[07:41] <es5nhc> thx
[07:41] <x-f> $$ORA$150..
[07:44] <G8KNN> ORION over Lithuania, B-32 over the Med. Fantastic.
[07:45] <x-f> greens!
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[07:46] <x-f> RTLSDR with a HABamp performs better than FCD++
[07:46] <Rookie> Hey guys.. I have a small question... there is a string which attaches the HAB to the basket right?? what materials can be used for that string>#
[07:46] <Rookie> *??
[07:48] <DJ3AK> x-f look at ssdv pic 147 - well done :-)
[07:48] <x-f> yes, thanks :)
[07:49] <DJ3AK> gonna be an interesting sunday
[07:52] <DL1SGP1> Guten morgen, good morning :/) and a good Sunday to all of you
[07:53] <x-f> good morning, Felix
[07:53] <DJ3AK> DL1SGP1 moin
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[07:54] <x-f> heh, SP5MG, he's the guy who decoded our first balloon from more than 600 km, which is nothing that special, but it made a big impression of our first-time trackers of what can be achieved with just 10mW
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[08:03] <x-f> es5nhc, how are you doing?
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[08:05] <x-f> ORION has levelled off, it could float for another day :) if only the batteries lasted that long
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[08:17] <fsphil> morning all
[08:17] <fsphil> it's floating again!
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[08:19] <es5nhc> got first decodes :)
[08:19] <es5nhc> Hint: Check image 159õ
[08:20] <es5nhc> 150
[08:20] <arko> oo image 150 looks nice
[08:20] Action: es5nhc does a victory dance
[08:20] <S_Mark> Orion looks brilliant
[08:20] <S_Mark> nice one fsphil
[08:21] <es5nhc> my first balloon decode ever
[08:21] <fsphil> and it's not a black image :)
[08:21] <fsphil> there can't be much power left in this thing
[08:21] <S_Mark> Can someone confirm that my flight doc is approved please
[08:21] <fsphil> another hour or two at most
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[08:22] <fsphil> I don't see it on the list S_Mark
[08:23] <M0CJM_Neil> Morning all! Oh my is Orion still going for it!!
[08:23] <S_Mark> Hmm how can i find it again
[08:23] <wd8mnv> orion popped?
[08:23] <S_Mark> Anyone here approve flight docs?
[08:23] <fsphil> it's burst!
[08:24] <fsphil> didn't see that coming
[08:24] <M0CJM_Neil> Oh well, it must have waited for me! A blooming good siatance though fsphil!
[08:24] <M0CJM_Neil> **distance
[08:25] <fsphil> what's your best range M0CJM_Neil?
[08:26] <arko> did ORION just burst?
[08:26] <fsphil> it did
[08:26] <fsphil> gonna land in Belarus
[08:26] <fsphil> I don't know anyone there!
[08:26] <arko> SOMEONE, QUICK, CHASE TEAM IT
[08:27] <es5nhc> indeed... observing big freq drifts too...
[08:27] <arko> uh
[08:27] <arko> no parachute?
[08:27] <fsphil> it has
[08:27] <es5nhc> well... big in this case - sufficient to leave a trace of rapid change on fldigi
[08:28] <es5nhc> some ±50hz or so
[08:28] <arko> ah cool
[08:28] <fsphil> parachute won't matter until 15km ish anyway
[08:28] <arko> yeah
[08:28] <x-f> signal is very, very wobbly
[08:28] <arko> should have looked at the alt :P
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[08:29] <x-f> aww.. it could have landed in Lithuania.. BL needs a visa :/
[08:30] <fsphil> bah, silly borders
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[08:30] <x-f> silly dictators
[08:31] <es5nhc> If Belarussian state TV reports abruptly about Western Spy Balloon, we'll know it's been recovered...
[08:32] <fsphil> lol
[08:32] <x-f> http://i.imgur.com/Jj5TvDm.png
[08:33] <S_Mark> What's the best way of getting this doc approved then for a launch in 90 mins time
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[08:35] <mclane> fsphil: what kind of hardware platform did you use?
[08:36] <fsphil> it's a raspberry pi mclane
[08:36] <mclane> with picam I assume?
[08:36] <fsphil> yea
[08:37] <mclane> very nice images! congratulation!
[08:37] <es5nhc> OK... closing down obs here... signal been fading, unstable and no decodes recently anymoer
[08:37] <es5nhc> more
[08:38] <es5nhc> still was nice to grab a few packets. Especially as this was my first time receiving a balloon
[08:38] <DL1SGP1> aww have a safe landing ORION :D
[08:38] <es5nhc> Plus.. maybe need to do some other electricity sensitive things soon... ugly storm is on the way
[08:38] <DL1SGP1> and good luck Stratodean for assisting Santa in his sleigh test :)
[08:39] <S_Mark> thanks very much DL1SGP1 !
[08:40] <DL1SGP1> mclane: was it you who was testing picture transmission from some flying object? looked nice :)
[08:40] <es5nhc> It went higher btw than yesterday
[08:40] <fsphil> 37km, a personal best :)
[08:40] <x-f> fsphil, you used the NTX2?
[08:41] <mclane> yea; but that was a pre-recorded image
[08:41] <fsphil> x-f: yea
[08:41] <DL1SGP1> ah OK :) WX was a bit too good to be true :)
[08:41] <mclane> that was in April this year - PYSY-4
[08:42] <DL1SGP1> I think this is a successful weekend, a great ORION flight, a successful test of software by Tom which ironed out an error and B-32 reporting back near Italy
[08:42] <DL1SGP1> ok gotta get going to assist in deconstruction of local xmas market, will be back around later!
[08:42] <S_Mark> OK heading out to the launch site in a min, if you want to follow updates also follow https://twitter.com/stratodean
[08:42] <S_Mark> back soon!
[08:43] <fsphil> good luck!
[08:43] <S_Mark> Thanks!
[08:43] <daveake> jingle those bells
[08:43] <S_Mark> Haha well we have our christmas hats and jumpers on!
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[08:44] <fsphil> SQ4FAF still got it
[08:45] <mclane> amazing polish ham community!
[08:45] <fsphil> and the weather forecast for Belarus today: cloudy
[08:45] <fsphil> with a chance of payloads
[08:45] <arko> lol
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[08:46] <x-f> i've lost the signal completely
[08:46] <es5nhc> And nice to have gotten my first reception... so if any other balloons are expected to head my way, let me know for sure... if I have time and I am at home will try a reception
[08:46] <x-f> fsphil, a great flight! congratulations on your personal altitude and distance records
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[08:46] <fsphil> I think that's more or less it now
[08:47] <daveake> Yep
[08:47] <x-f> and technically it went very good too
[08:47] <es5nhc> and congrats fsphil... and nice pictures
[08:47] <daveake> Tremendous flight well done :)
[08:47] <x-f> thanks for the SSDV :)
[08:47] <daveake> I think that's the first floater sunrsie shots (well decent ones anyway)
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[08:48] <fsphil> and it didn't fall away from the balloon either (I tied the knots on this one)
[08:48] <daveake> hah
[08:48] <daveake> yes descent rate just fine
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[08:51] <es5nhc> http://www.tarmotanilsoo.com/orion_signal.png ... historic reception for me :)
[08:51] <es5nhc> was indoors manually tracking with 9 el dk7zb
[08:51] <fsphil> nice!
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[08:51] <mikestir> wow. good job fsphil
[08:52] <mikestir> is that likely to be the moon in 101?
[08:53] <fsphil> which 101? :)
[08:53] <fsphil> oh yes it is
[08:53] <fsphil> moonrise was about 4:30 utc
[08:53] <fsphil> well earlier that far east
[08:53] <mikestir> yeah I remember someone saying
[08:53] <darkstar-2001> Great flight!
[08:54] <fsphil> no new data in a while
[08:55] <fsphil> oh there we go
[08:56] <fsphil> it's either heading for a forest or a lake
[08:56] <daveake> of course
[08:56] <tweetBot> @AnthonyStirk: @fsphil doesn't launch very often but when he does it's memorable http://t.co/gZksr3ug45 sunrise @ 30km #ukhas
[08:56] <fsphil> lol
[09:01] <x-f> :)
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[09:05] <fsphil> oh B-32's back
[09:06] <fsphil> near Italy after it's little African trip
[09:06] <G8APZ> Yes but Orion is on a chute!
[09:06] <fsphil> aye, it had a fight with gravity and lost
[09:07] <G8APZ> only one tracker a long way off... therefore inaccurate landing co-ords?
[09:07] <fsphil> indeed
[09:07] <fsphil> that last point was from 7km up and the prediction will still be well off
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[09:08] <G8APZ> do you have adequate labels on the flight package?
[09:08] <G8APZ> If Found: blah blah blah
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[09:09] <fsphil> not on this one
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[09:09] <fsphil> I kind of wish I had now
[09:10] <G8APZ> someone will find it eventually I expect, but they won't know what it is or who to inform
[09:10] <G8APZ> Costly loss?
[09:11] <daveake> It was helium, so yes :p
[09:11] <fsphil> well I didn't expect to get this one back. it was designed to be lost
[09:11] <fsphil> the payload was just a raspberry pi, picam, ublox gps and some lithiums
[09:11] <fsphil> the antenna was spare wire and straws borrowed from mcdonalds
[09:11] <G8APZ> daveake yes I assumed it was the usual stuff plus camera
[09:12] <daveake> just being funny
[09:12] <fsphil> the helium and balloon was definitly the most expensive bit
[09:12] <fsphil> but you don't get those back :)
[09:12] <fsphil> well, you hope you odn't get the balloon back
[09:12] <fsphil> they stink
[09:12] <daveake> and making the point that a Pi + cam is a tiiny part of the cost of a latex flight
[09:12] <G8APZ> surprised
[09:12] <fsphil> hydrogen would improve the situation
[09:13] <daveake> essentially, for a floater, you have to regard the tracker as expendable
[09:13] <G8APZ> suppose so.... it will usually fly to parts of the world that other balloons don't reach!
[09:14] <fsphil> I had details on the one that landed in yorkshire
[09:14] <fsphil> nobody's ever found that :)
[09:14] <LeoBodnar> morning chaps
[09:14] <daveake> and you can't get there in time, and you donb't really know where that will be
[09:14] <G8APZ> or if they did they sold it!
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[09:14] <LeoBodnar> ORION burst :(
[09:14] <fsphil> doubt it, the camera in the yorkshire one was only £10 on ebay
[09:14] <G8APZ> Long Live Orion
[09:15] <fsphil> LeoBodnar: we released it into the wild
[09:15] <daveake> Yes but youv've met at least one yorkshireman :p
[09:15] <LeoBodnar> cool flight anyway fsphil - very smooooth
[09:15] <fsphil> yes a lovely float
[09:15] <G8APZ> and Long Live B-32 reincarnated!
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[09:15] <es5nhc> Wow... in this case it was pretty nice I was able to get a reception here... indoors on an rtl-sdr
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[09:16] <es5nhc> true, I used 9 el dk7zb still :D
[09:16] <ibanezmatt13> Hey fsphil, nice flight :)
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[09:17] <Herman-PB0AHX> gm all
[09:18] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon floater also popped over Belarus :/
[09:19] <fsphil> they need some way to stop that sunrise ascent
[09:19] <wd8mnv> is B-32 on way down?
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[09:19] <number10> fsphil: nice fligt - you must be first to get picture of sunset and sunrise - definately for live images
[09:20] <number10> on same flight
[09:21] <daveake> Yes, mine almost managed that trick but the batteries died
[09:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> 'Morning :-)
[09:22] <LeoBodnar> wd8mnv: it's probably iced up and descending
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[09:23] <GW8RAK> Morning. First time on here for some time. There's an awful lot more trackers in the UK now!
[09:23] <number10> fsphil: you need to have a 16 bit variable on your image counter rather than 8 bit :p
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[09:30] <g0azs> I am sure the Xmas sweater will enhance the flight for Stratodean... It's lovely!
[09:31] <daveake> Rudolph the LED-nosed reindeer
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[09:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> WOW very nice pictures from Orion congrats
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[09:45] <Vostok> where are they?
[09:46] <daveake> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ORION
[09:48] <fsphil> haha, nice hat S_Mark
[09:48] <fsphil> oh hi GW8RAK
[09:49] <fsphil> you should sent that into the sunday brunch thing on channel 4, they're showing pics of bad christmas jumpers
[09:49] <x-f> that shadow in #133
[09:53] <PE2G> Good morning. The moon visible in 101?
[09:53] <g0azs> ..but it is a nice christmas jumper. Not a bad one!
[09:53] <G8APZ> A digital compass reading in the telemetry for the pics would be a useful bonus!
[09:54] <G8APZ> PE2G certainly looks like it!
[09:55] <PE2G> The shape looks correct
[09:55] <G8APZ> yes it does... I like 120 too
[09:56] <PE2G> Very nice
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[09:58] <G8APZ> B-37 hasn't been spotted in past 20 minutes. I wonder who was tracking it... It's off Sardinia
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[10:01] <ei3kd> G8APZ gm Robin - it was being RX'd by IR0AAA in Sardinia
[10:01] <ei3kd> (aprs)
[10:02] <ei3kd> sri! not Sardinia - East of Rome :)
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[10:03] <ei3kd> G8APZ I was looking at map, eyes took over brain - anyway, that's probably why it's dropped out of range now
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[10:04] <fsphil> brains are overrated
[10:05] <bertrik> Does anyone have a good link to a specification of RxID?
[10:05] <DL1SGP> I think it was received through APRS G8APZ
[10:06] <DL1SGP> uups
[10:06] <DL1SGP> should scroll down before typing
[10:06] <DL1SGP> as fsphil said, brains are overrated
[10:06] <G8APZ> ei3kd GM Mark. Thanks for info - was getting a cuppa
[10:07] <G8APZ> DL1SGP Thanks... very useful to have APRS as a backup locator system!
[10:07] <DL1SGP> indeed
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[10:10] <G8APZ> ei3kd Leo is collecting DXCCs with the B- flights, and a new continent!
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[10:10] <ei3kd> G8APZ it's actually been well out of LoS from IR0AAA, so must be some tropo - unfortunately needs to drift about 30km to be in range of Sardinia
[10:11] <ei3kd> (drift west)
[10:11] <G8APZ> ei3kd yes, I don't know if there are any receivers there
[10:12] <ei3kd> G8APZ there are :)
[10:12] <G8APZ> Oh good!!
[10:12] <G8APZ> I miss the trace to receivers since Google withdrew V2 API
[10:13] <M0CJM_Neil> How's SD3 looking??
[10:14] <G8APZ> ei3kd I tracked Orion as far as the Dutch islands last night, just with the folded dipole from a 21 ele Tonna.
[10:14] <ei3kd> G8APZ trace seems to work for me, but only on direct RX, not APRS
[10:14] <G8APZ> ei3kd all the decoded SSDV images were full black!!
[10:16] <G8APZ> Are there any APRS rx stations in Corsica?
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[10:17] <ei3kd> G8APZ yep, I'm surprised it's not being reported by anything at the moment, it should be within range of several :(
[10:18] <fsphil> could be quite low
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[10:19] <ei3kd> fsphil new update :)
[10:19] <fsphil> this flight is going to be a long one
[10:20] <G8APZ> 7.7km still
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[10:20] <G8APZ> I think Leo must be aiming at overflying 3A for a new DXCC!
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[10:21] <ei3kd> G8APZ another RX from east of Rome, but not by any others nearer, strange
[10:21] <G8APZ> Perhaps better antennas an height?
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[10:23] <ei3kd> G8APZ aha, last one was from IZ0BRR, actually in Rome - I hink aprs traffic around there is very high volume, could be qrm'd out
[10:23] <G8APZ> maybe
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[10:27] <G8APZ> ei3kd Santa may be flying today with Stratodean - $$$$SD3, 434.075MHz, 50 baud, 350hz shift, ASCII-7, 2 stop bits, no parity.
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[10:31] <fsphil> I hope santa accepts letters sent via rtty
[10:32] <ei3kd> G8APZ I have yet to hear a signal, most paths are oor from here. Of course I was out for Orion yesterday, so missed that...
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[10:32] <fsphil> yes sorry for the late announcement for that
[10:32] <fsphil> I often don't know if something's going to fly until the night before or that morning
[10:33] <G8APZ> ei3kd It flew over Dublin, and across to Anglesey so you would have heard it!
[10:33] <fsphil> should really get better organised
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[10:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> SD3 up!
[10:35] <fsphil> merry flight!
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[10:36] <G8APZ> May all your noses be red!
[10:36] <Laurenceb_> oh nice
[10:36] <Laurenceb_> ORION made it to morning
[10:36] <Laurenceb_> and B-32 alive
[10:37] <M0CJM_Neil> Steve_G0TDJ: Morning to you young man!
[10:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Meil :-)
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[10:37] <tweetBot> @Project_HAB: Good luck @stratodean with SD3 Christmas HAB just launched. Follow the action on: http://t.co/s4m8lDiz1F #hamr #ukhas
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[10:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> M0CJM_Neil: Young? LOL
[10:38] <LeoBodnar> ei3kd: IZ0BRR traffic is 20-30 packets per minute http://aprs.fi/telemetry/a/IZ0BRR-10
[10:38] <M0CJM_Neil> Lol in a nice mood today so speading the xmas cheer :-)
[10:39] <S_Mark> Thanks guys!
[10:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-) Fair enough
[10:39] <S_Mark> Just heading out now
[10:39] <S_Mark> signal ok?
[10:39] <LeoBodnar> Xmas soon yay!
[10:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll let you know S_Mark
[10:39] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: I worked out how to do battery heating
[10:40] <Laurenceb_> using DIY shop parts
[10:40] <LeoBodnar> oh!
[10:40] <Laurenceb_> cover bottom face with black tissue paper of something, then 1cm bubble wrap
[10:40] <Laurenceb_> then top face gets 1cm polyurethane (celotex etc) insulation
[10:41] <Laurenceb_> at -10C ground and -55C ambient it should reach -25C
[10:41] <LeoBodnar> Did you calculate IR absorption then?
[10:41] <M0CJM_Neil> goos strong signal on 434.072.75
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[10:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nothing here yet but will report when I get something
[10:42] <LeoBodnar> what above clouds?
[10:42] <g0azs> Signal from SD3 good here. Freq wavering +/- 10-20 hz at the moment.
[10:42] <Laurenceb_> it might not be as good above clouds
[10:43] <Laurenceb_> but it looks pretty good if the battery can take -35C
[10:43] <Laurenceb_> then it will work most places where it isnt actually in cloud
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[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh good up in time for SD3 ;-)
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[10:46] <g0azs> SD3 s/n ratio 26-27db in IO91pt ...very nice signal.
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh SD3 isn't in the list ?
[10:48] <mfa298> I had it in autoconfigure - listed as Stratodean
[10:49] <mfa298> although I think the shift is slightly lower than the autoconfig value
[10:49] <G8APZ> Geoff-G8DHE slii half asleep!!
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its allright I hadn't updated the docs
[10:49] <G8APZ> still
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[10:49] <G8APZ> g0azs dial freq spot on ?
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> right back to sleep again then
[10:50] <LeoBodnar> How does bubble wrap deal with low pressure?
[10:51] <Laurenceb_> good question
[10:51] <Laurenceb_> maybe puncture with a thin needle
[10:51] <Herman-PB0AHX> wat is frequentie of sd3 ??
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.074 for me
[10:51] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok tnx
[10:51] <Martin_G4FUI> Just starting to see SD3 in my waterfall ...
[10:52] <G8APZ> 434.072.7 here with sigs at 1000Hz
[10:52] <Laurenceb_> B-32 creeping up on B-6
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[10:53] <DL1SGP> welkom terug Herman-PB0AHX
[10:53] <LeoBodnar> I have ordered spaceloft thingy
[10:53] <Laurenceb_> cool
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[10:54] <Laurenceb_> that would work well for the top of the battery
[10:54] <M0CJM_Neil> G8APZ I have exactly the same freq on my readout as you
[10:55] <Laurenceb_> id use the 5/16" bubble wrap
[10:55] <ei3kd> I have a (weak) signal :)
[10:56] <G8APZ> ei3kd It will get louder !!! Well done
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[10:56] <DL1SGP> such a lovely outfit on Stratodean, the flight cannot fail :)
[10:56] <ei3kd> G8APZ using the 2m yagi - I don't think so !
[10:57] <G8APZ> ei3kd make a quick GP frpm UR67 - about 16.5mm elements!!
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[10:57] <ei3kd> G8APZ radio site is 15km away...
[10:57] <G8APZ> Oh!!!
[10:57] <G8APZ> I remember now!
[10:58] <M0CJM_Neil> just going to funcube decode for 10 mins
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[11:00] <LeoBodnar> Bubble wrap is not very practical or do you mean some better quality one?
[11:00] <tjanos> arenot there any other, usefull method to keep the temperature constat at the balloons? for example fermantation, small scale Anaerobic organism factory, it is working in every garden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_organism
[11:00] <Laurenceb_> just bubble wrap
[11:01] <Laurenceb_> the 11Km B-32 point is odd
[11:01] <Laurenceb_> makes me think there are bugs in aprs altitude
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[11:01] <tjanos> or use this chemic magic in small, controlled way, it produce heat and hydrogen too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csYxwiLuX-o
[11:01] <LeoBodnar> It's probably a GPS glitch after it has been woken up. UBLOXes really don't work in sleep mode
[11:02] <LeoBodnar> I.e. hotstart
[11:02] <Laurenceb_> ah
[11:02] Action: DL1SGP is happy that B-32 is still afloat, congrats LeoBodnar
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[11:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Weak signal from SD3 here in Crayford
[11:03] <LeoBodnar> cheers DL1SGP
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[11:08] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: @stratodean Flight Path
[11:08] <tweetBot> http://t.co/Kfqz6ywmHy
[11:08] <tweetBot> #ukhas #hamr #hamradio
[11:09] <M0CJM_Neil> Back, waste of time
[11:09] <M0CJM_Neil> that was
[11:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Greens from SD3 - frequency wavering
[11:10] <g0azs> SD3 shift has decreased to about 330 Hz
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[11:12] <S_Mark> ok on severn bridge now
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[11:13] <M0CJM_Neil> S_Mark: Which route you going to take?
[11:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah Your on the severn Bridge I thought you meant SD3 !
[11:14] <S_Mark> Thats the tricky question
[11:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> M4 > A346
[11:15] <S_Mark> Can someone say what the prediction burst altitude is
[11:15] <S_Mark> on spacenear
[11:15] <S_Mark> I estimated it to be 29000
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[11:15] <gonzo___> quick diversion for a funcube pass, back on SD again. And good sigs in dorset
[11:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> 32000 S_Mark
[11:16] <M0CJM_Neil> Where does it tell you predicted burst?
[11:16] <S_Mark> Can we adjust it to 30000?
[11:16] <S_Mark> It's quite a heavy payload
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Predicted Burst
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> 51.2003, -1.73688, 32350 m
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Click the burst symbol
[11:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> The small puff of smoke graphic on the track line - Click Neil
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> So maybe M4>A350
[11:17] <M0CJM_Neil> Ahh Ok, I had to zoom in before i could click on it
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[11:17] <M0CJM_Neil> Yeah I would M4>> A350>> A36
[11:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Frequency more stable now
[11:17] <S_Mark> That bath road is slow
[11:18] <M0CJM_Neil> Shame as burst is only 15 mins away from me
[11:18] <mfa298> A46/A36 might not be too bad on a sunday morning.
[11:19] <M0CJM_Neil> Just dont go near Peasedown St John, South of Bath my ex lives there and she isnt very nice :-)
[11:20] <S_Mark> We think that prediction is not quite right
[11:20] <S_Mark> We dont think (hope!) it will get that high
[11:21] <mfa298> A few of us this way were hoping it might got a bit higher, we might see it descend then!
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[11:21] <mfa298> although there's a lot of trees for that sort of predicted landing.
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[11:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> S_Mark: Great reciever list you have - Have you a spare device to activate the mobile tracker so we can see where you are?
[11:24] <S_Mark> Yep its on there Steve_G0TDJ
[11:24] <S_Mark> the red car
[11:24] <S_Mark> Bristol at the mo
[11:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> *doh* I've filtered for SD3, apologies
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[11:25] <DL1SGP> S_Mark: nice outfit :)
[11:25] <S_Mark> haha
[11:25] <S_Mark> I've lost the hat whilst in the car
[11:26] <DL1SGP> aww
[11:26] <M0CJM_Neil> S_Mark We want to see the xmas jumpers in the car :-)
[11:27] <DL1SGP> to give other the fair chance of knowing S_Mark's outfit https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaY76sAIUAEsK4F.jpg:large
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[11:27] <tweetBot> @stratodean: For those requesting the Christmas jumper shot #ukhas http://t.co/wp0BZrOcg9
[11:28] <S_Mark> haha
[11:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> Classic :-)
[11:28] <DL1SGP> Thumbs up for Cassie's outfit as well :)
[11:28] <M0CJM_Neil> Excellent jumpers all round :-)
[11:29] <DL1SGP> make sure that the landing site is decorated with mistletoe
[11:29] <LeoBodnar> Steve_G0TDJ: http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=SD3;STRATODEANQ_chase
[11:29] <G8APZ> I have the shift set at 330 at the mo
[11:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers Leo, sorted :-)
[11:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> G8APZ: My shift 322
[11:30] <G8APZ> I'll try that. Thanks
[11:30] <G8APZ> Only +7dB/n here
[11:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> 20dB here, great sigs
[11:31] <ei3kd> very annoying, every line is dropping 1 random character
[11:32] <DL1SGP> if it lands in New Forest beware of Wild Living Horses :) Exbury Garden is a pretty neat location for a day trip and picnic though
[11:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> ei3kd: I was getting that earlier
[11:32] <G8APZ> ei3kd yes it's annoying! A bit more sig needed!
[11:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> At 7 Deg C Felix?
[11:32] <DL1SGP> I am quite close to Finland Steve_G0TDJ
[11:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah! Seasoned then
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[11:35] <LeoBodnar> Altitude: 14.9439697266 m that's accuracy of 0.1nm
[11:36] <G8APZ> assuming a perfectly flat polished ground!!
[11:36] <G8APZ> and a totally constant sea level!!
[11:37] <G8APZ> I think integer altitude is more than adequate!
[11:37] <LeoBodnar> ANd you can't update it too often or uncertainty principle kicks in
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[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> You should be able to see the influence of the Moons gravity then!
[11:38] <Martin_G4FUI> SD3 waterfall screen grabs are near the bottom of my meteor detection page: www.g4fui.net/meteors.html
[11:38] <Martin_G4FUI> Plus some nice moon reflections from G.R.A.V.E.S. ...
[11:42] <G8APZ> Seeing deep QSB on SD3 - maybe 10dB
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[11:43] <Martin_G4FUI> G8APZ, seeing something similar here, though it's very slow ...
[11:45] <S_Mark> whats QSB?
[11:45] <fsphil> nice signal here
[11:46] <LeoBodnar> Out of interest: who sets the predicted burst altitude and at what point in flight document lifecycle?
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> QSB=Fading
[11:46] <g0azs> QSB = fading
[11:46] <fsphil> LeoBodnar: it's configured on the spacenear server
[11:46] <fsphil> can be done at any point
[11:46] <S_Mark> ah cool
[11:47] <S_Mark> Yeah I am seeing that too in the car, hope its not spinning wildly
[11:47] <LeoBodnar> is it usually set when doc is approved or is there a default value?
[11:47] <fsphil> no fading here
[11:47] <S_Mark> Santa will be dizzy
[11:47] <fsphil> there's a default LeoBodnar
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.qsl.net/w5www/qcode.html
[11:47] <Laurenceb_> 4 more hours and B-32 will beat B-6
[11:47] <fsphil> it's not part of habitat so the flight doc doesn't change it
[11:47] <g0azs> no QSB with me either
[11:47] <fsphil> that's not a bad idea for habitat v2 though
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> diffent burst height for each balloon ?
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[11:48] <fsphil> setting the prediction parameters in the flight docs
[11:48] <S_Mark> yeah would be nice to set it yourself
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[11:48] <fsphil> I can set it now for you S_Mark, what do you expect burst at?
[11:49] <S_Mark> as I think the predicted burst is 29000 - 30000
[11:49] <S_Mark> sat 29500
[11:49] <S_Mark> say
[11:49] <S_Mark> lol
[11:49] <S_Mark> thanks fsphil
[11:49] <G8APZ> QSB suggests spin, but may be related to low angle over differing terrain
[11:49] <mfa298> Balloon just approaching Coleford having left Coleford a while ago!
[11:49] <fsphil> what descent rate S_Mark ?
[11:50] <S_Mark> say 5.5
[11:50] <S_Mark> yeah second Coleford
[11:50] <fsphil> set
[11:50] <S_Mark> thanks
[11:50] <fsphil> should update shortly
[11:51] <fsphil> there it is
[11:52] <fsphil> predicted south west of Shaftesbury
[11:52] <S_Mark> thats more inline with what I was expecting
[11:52] <daveake> That's where Babbage landed
[11:52] <S_Mark> easy recovery daveake?
[11:52] <daveake> it was :)
[11:52] <S_Mark> cool hope for the same then
[11:53] <G8APZ> First succesful decode of SD3
[11:53] <daveake> Only glitch was a BBC reporter calling me when I was following the DF screen on my phone in the field
[11:53] <daveake> Ended up walking straight past Babbage :p
[11:53] <S_Mark> haha
[11:53] <G8APZ> Most decodes short of a few chars!!
[11:54] <G8APZ> better now it is >15dB/n
[11:54] <fsphil> what's your antenna and radio G8APZ?
[11:54] <fsphil> all good decodes here
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[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SD3_20131201/SD3_201312011153.jpg
[11:54] <G8APZ> antenna is p155 poor! folded dipole from a 21 ele Tonna! Radio is IC-475e
[11:55] <ei3kd> G8APZ same here Robin, the tiniest amount of FEC would turn it from 99% fail to 100% decode
[11:55] <fsphil> I've a diamond x-60 colinear
[11:55] <S_Mark> Thanks very much Geoff-G8DHE
[11:56] <S_Mark> I
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> nps
[11:56] <G8APZ> fsphil I'm going to put a colinear up and a vertical 21 ele!
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[11:57] <Martin_G4FUI> Same aerial here, fsphil , it has way exceeded my expectations as a HAB chaser ...
[11:57] <fsphil> tis very nice
[11:57] <fsphil> looks the part too :)
[11:57] <tweetBot> @stratodean: Visual of flight so far... Thanks @G8DHE #ukhas http://t.co/rmwDs4VRAp
[11:57] <g0azs> Getting QSB now. Dropping to s/n 12db and poor decodes.
[11:57] <Martin_G4FUI> I like to keep a fairly low profile, so it almost ticks that box too!
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[11:58] <g0azs> Almost inaudible now
[11:58] <craag> What do people think of this map btw? http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?filter=SD3
[11:59] <craag> (Layer Control in top right)
[11:59] <g0azs> ...and coming back. Phew
[11:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's neat Phil
[11:59] <mfa298> habmap looks better with the OS maps overlay :)
[12:00] <craag> Steve_G0TDJ: Select OS Maps in the top right! (thanks mfa298 for that)
[12:00] <mfa298> hmmm, might need some fixes for zooming when changing to OS
[12:00] <G8APZ> craag - like it at first sight!
[12:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Wow!
[12:01] <fsphil> well that's a lot faster than google maps
[12:01] <fsphil> looks like habhound :)
[12:01] <mfa298> Only downside is the OS maps overlay is via Bing :(
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> ? Incredibly slow here ?
[12:01] <S_Mark> wow that looks good craag
[12:01] <fsphil> OS isn't working at all for me
[12:01] <daveake> Yes how's the offline mapping going, fsphil? :p
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah thats faster we must have all hit the server at the same time!
[12:01] <S_Mark> we'll use that!
[12:01] <craag> fsphil: You'll need to zoom in
[12:02] <mfa298> fsphil: you might need to zoom in a level
[12:02] <fsphil> ah
[12:02] <LeoBodnar> craag: can you select terrain overlay?
[12:02] <fsphil> daveake: so good I haven't had to change it in a year ;)
[12:02] <daveake> haha
[12:02] <mfa298> LeoBodnar: top right corner
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> craag: You have correctly attributed the OSM data - congrats.
[12:02] <craag> LeoBodnar: I removed that option in favour of OS Maps, can add it back thouh
[12:03] <ei3kd> pop?
[12:03] <DL1SGP> burst
[12:03] <fsphil> ah
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[12:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> POP!
[12:03] <M0CJM_Neil> i got to pop out guys & girls, will leave the tracker running! Enjoy!
[12:03] <LeoBodnar> no, OSM is better but it helps to see terrain profile when on the continent
[12:03] <S_Mark> burst?
[12:03] <daveake> yup
[12:03] <fsphil> was wondering what happened packet 828
[12:03] <daveake> on time
[12:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> 50m/s falling
[12:03] <daveake> nice and stable
[12:04] <G8APZ> Aargh... near MOD Salisbury Plain too
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> craag: Are you asking for feature requests - or just 'does it work' ?
[12:04] <daveake> surprising considering the drag on one side of thepayload :)
[12:05] <mfa298> SpeedEvil: the code is all on github so you can always add features yourself
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[12:05] <craag> SpeedEvil: What do people think I guess.. I'm proposing that it could eventually be a replacement for spacenearus (I'd like to fix some of the ajax data structures first though)
[12:06] <craag> LeoBodnar: Refresh, google Terrain is back
[12:07] <LeoBodnar> cool! thank you craag
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> craag: Things that spring out are perhaps a rough scale could be of use (I know about the scale issues), lack of tracking data along the track - can't hover over a point, and perhaps stations should be labelled. Perhaps a summary panel with recievers/... selectable from the layers?
[12:07] <craag> Panning on gmaps is a little broken, waiting for an upstream lib fix on that.
[12:08] <fsphil> SD3's pretty much gone here now
[12:08] <craag> SpeedEvil: Summary Panel is planned.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> craag: yeah - thought it must be.
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SD3_20131201/index.php?ind=6
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[12:09] <craag> SpeedEvil: I would like to keep it really lightweight (currently works great on my old android 2.3 phone).
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[12:09] <G8APZ> SD3 all but gone here too... just the feint warbling in the noise!
[12:10] <craag> So maybe not quite a replacement, but a lightweight version for mobiles/netbooks?
[12:10] <G8APZ> craag it's best light
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> craag: That's a valuable goal.
[12:10] <G8APZ> does what's required
[12:10] <craag> SpeedEvil: Hence the lack of hovering over, as that is *really* memory hungry.
[12:10] <bbjunkie> G8APZ here too in N.I. but just got a random green packet out of nowhere
[12:11] <daveake> yes lightweight=good
[12:11] <G8APZ> payload tx freq and mode panel would be useful though
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> But as an actual replacement, not an addition - losing features is an issue.
[12:11] <mfa298> I wonder if some of the tracking points could be added as options - although that might require some serverside bits to change the code.
[12:11] <G8APZ> Ooh - SD3 back!!
[12:11] <bbjunkie> here too
[12:12] <craag> G8APZ: Yes, more panels are planned. It's on github, feel free to submit a pull request!
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> Being able to click on the track and see altitude is also valuable
[12:12] <craag> https://github.com/philcrump/spacenearer/
[12:12] <daveake> nice name :)
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> Looking great anyway
[12:12] <craag> SpeedEvil: Click on the line and see altitude at that point?
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> craag: yes
[12:13] <craag> Hmm ok, I'll look into it.
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> And yes, that can mean lots of data.
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> Ir's a bit silly that it's all stored hugely inefficiently after parsing into xml
[12:14] <G8APZ> github looks to be typically acedemic... doesn't look intuitive!
[12:14] <G8APZ> academic...oops!
[12:14] <mfa298> I've wondered if the clicking for points could be done via an ajax server request, but that could be a bit slow.
[12:15] <mfa298> maybe the other trick would be to throw some datapoints away, so if it's older than 10 minutes only keep a point every 5 minutes.
[12:15] <G8APZ> user option? provide points or don't?
[12:15] <craag> mfa298: You can currently get all data, or nothing from the server. So not really any point.
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[12:16] <mfa298> the clicking and requesting data would need a server api change so not presently possible (at least not sensibly)
[12:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SD3_20131201/SD3_201312011216.jpg
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[12:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do like the OS maps!
[12:18] <ei3kd> still some decodes at -0.7el
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[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> How come the OS data is available for those zoom levels ?
[12:19] <craag> Hmm, need to implement parachute icon for descending
[12:19] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Bing Maps API :/
[12:19] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE: I'd like to get it working with the OS openspaces api, you can get even more detailed zoom levels
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah!
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed, a few years back that was a LOT of money!!!
[12:20] <LeoBodnar> It would be nice to click on receiver name in the infobox or past datapoint and pan to it
[12:20] <mfa298> I think via openspaces it's all free (although I didn't check in detail for what their fair usage was)
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[12:21] <craag> LeoBodnar: Ok. I'll add it to the list :)
[12:21] <daveake> Santa looking down on Babbage's landing site now - http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Overall.png
[12:22] <LeoBodnar> cheers
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[12:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just a thought how about plotting a parameter at right angles to the track, like Temp to Left, volts to right , simple bars ?
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[12:23] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Or perhaps just Altitude, Ascent rate?
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[12:24] <craag> Not quite sure how to do that though
[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Make it selectable? Having a grapth at the bottom, divorces the data from the location :-(
[12:25] <craag> I'll see, sounds a bit tricky to me, but I'll bear it in mind
[12:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> That fair!
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> vector from previous point +/- 90
[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SD3_20131201/SD3_201312011229.jpg
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[12:30] <G0HDI> Hi, I just got home. Is there SSDV onboard SD3 please
[12:30] <daveake> no
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[12:31] <G0HDI> Ok, thanks. Coming down a bit early isn't it?
[12:31] <craag> G0HDI: It was launched early.
[12:31] <G0HDI> Oh, ok
[12:31] <S_Mark> 10:30
[12:32] <S_Mark> it launched
[12:32] <mfa298> they didn't apply that much ISH to the announced launch time
[12:32] <S_Mark> it was late
[12:32] <S_Mark> We were meant to launch at 10
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[12:33] <daveake> Only 30 mins late? You'll give "ISH" a bad name :P
[12:33] <G0HDI> Ok, I'm just used seeing other balloons go for much longer time over the last few days.
[12:33] <S_Mark> Haha
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[12:33] <S_Mark> This is an 'up and down' G0HDI
[12:33] <craag> S_Mark: Ah ok, I thought I saw something about at 12:00 launch.. but can't find it now, must have imagined it!
[12:33] <daveake> G0HDI Most flights are up-burst-down ones, all over inside 3 hours
[12:34] <mfa298> apart from recently where we seem to have had more floaters.
[12:34] <daveake> This time of year the winds often carry them abroad, so people are mosre likely accept that and do "floaters" instead
[12:34] <craag> Huh, that was Phil's flight I got confused with
[12:34] <G0HDI> Yes i can see that now. Is it commanded to do that. or does the balloon burst at predetermined height?
[12:34] <DL1SGP> S_Mark playing pacman with green circle :)
[12:34] <daveake> iow if you're not going to see the payload again, you might as well make it a long flight
[12:34] <mfa298> either that or they don't want to go traipsing through the countryside in the cold.
[12:35] <daveake> mfa298, It's certainly relaxing to be able to launch and then not have to jump in the car and rush off after it!
[12:35] <G8APZ> craag does the new map recentre on the tracked object?
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[12:36] <craag> G8APZ: Only at initial page load. I'll probably have a toggle-able option on the panel similar to spacenearus
[12:36] <G8APZ> OK
[12:36] <G8APZ> a sort of "Follow"
[12:36] <craag> Yep
[12:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SD3_20131201/SD3_201312011236.jpg
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[12:37] <craag> I got rather annoyed with mt's aggressive follow that was impossible to switch off on a mobile device.
[12:37] <mfa298> could really do with a status window, I keep having to look at the telem for the height
[12:37] <daveake> Lost SD3 here. Not the best direction for me
[12:38] <craag> mfa298: Well, you'd better start on it then ;)
[12:38] <malgar> LeoBodnar: could you update the NOAA forecast for B32? :)
[12:38] <mfa298> damn lost it at 386m!
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[12:39] <mfa298> that's not bad for 61km distance :D
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[12:40] <craag> nice one mfa298
[12:40] <daveake> plenty of field to aim at there
[12:40] <mfa298> according to the OS maps, ground is about 90m
[12:40] <daveake> Should get an update soon when the car gets closer
[12:40] <mfa298> looks like a good landing spot.
[12:41] <daveake> yup
[12:41] <daveake> S_Mark I suggest you get on that road south of the payload
[12:41] <S_Mark> Ah ok, because of the river/stream?
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[12:42] <daveake> Well there's a path leading up from there to pretty close to where the payload probably is
[12:42] <S_Mark> ah ok great thanks
[12:42] <daveake> Not much access from the north because of that river
[12:43] <daveake> You need "Scotchey Lane"
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[12:43] <DL1SGP> it should come down in the area of the the intersection Scotchey Ln / Angel Ln (northern intersection)
[12:43] <mfa298> looks like there's footpath or bridleway from both sides nearby (/me hoping he can remember his OS map symbols)
[12:43] <LeoBodnar> updated malgar
[12:44] <daveake> Anyway get close enough for an update first :)
[12:45] <DL1SGP> So prolly leave A30 southbound on Scotchey Hill then turn left (eastbound) on Scotchey Lane that should bring them close to santa's impact crater :)
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[12:46] <daveake> Crater? I hope they don't tell Elf & Safety
[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SD3_20131201/SD3_Landing_spot.jpg
[12:46] <malgar> LeoBodnar: a lot of swirls I see :)
[12:46] <malgar> nice flight
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[12:47] <DL1SGP> Impact Point latitude: 50.99951 longitude: -2.27365 (based on latest wind data from Herstmonceux)
[12:47] <DL1SGP> Impact Pointlatitude: 50.99816 longitude: -2.27097 (based on latest GFS model)
[12:47] <DL1SGP> Decent rate was set to 6m/s
[12:47] <fsphil> jolly one daveake
[12:48] <daveake> I like to keep my punnage under reign,dear
[12:49] <DL1SGP> well rudolph with his glowing nosewill give a visual beacon for finding the payload in the wild
[12:49] <Darkside> s/dear/deer/
[12:49] <DL1SGP> he might use CW to send latest position :)
[12:50] <fsphil> don't be so foal
[12:50] <daveake> Mark needs to get a move on; he's no dasher
[12:51] <fsphil> +1000 points if it landed in mistletoe
[12:52] <G8APZ> Talking of puns.... there is a farm shop on A30 Front St. called "The Udder Farm Shop"
[12:53] <DL1SGP> heh
[12:56] <daveake> SM_Mark Turn left onto the B3092
[12:56] <daveake> S_Mark ^
[12:56] <S_Mark> Turning now
[12:56] <G8APZ> left????
[12:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SD3_20131201/StreetView_of_Landing_spot.JPG
[12:56] <daveake> cool
[12:56] <daveake> ther
[12:56] <S_Mark> we're on
[12:56] <daveake> right
[12:57] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[12:57] <daveake> sorry
[12:57] <S_Mark> yes right lol
[12:57] <DL1SGP> lol
[12:57] <daveake> Sorry must have had Mrs Dave's navigation head on
[12:57] <daveake> ok next left
[12:57] <DL1SGP> yeap
[12:57] <daveake> (actually left this time)
[12:57] <daveake> Signal yet?
[12:57] <DL1SGP> and DUCK if the farmer is watching
[12:57] <G8APZ> then LEFT Stour Lane!!
[12:58] <gonzo___> the phrase usually made to me when I turn on directions is.... 'no, your other left!'
[12:58] <daveake> Scothey Lane
[12:58] <daveake> Scotchey
[12:58] <DL1SGP> yep I would go for scotch
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[12:58] <G8APZ> oh yes
[12:58] <daveake> You should have a signal now
[12:58] <DL1SGP> Wave hello to the Vanners Farm :)
[12:59] <DL1SGP> The Farmers do not know yet that they have a reindeer in one of their fields :)
[12:59] <DL1SGP> you are approaching honeycomb skin care, if you want to bring Cass' Mom a present, just guess they might be closed on sundays :)
[12:59] <gonzo___> it woulf br shot for woorying the shhep
[13:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can't see em on StreetView yet ?
[13:00] <daveake> Should have a signal by now
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[13:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh there there on street view now
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[13:01] <DL1SGP> darn the farmer got them
[13:01] <DL1SGP> :D
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SD3_20131201/Parked_up.JPG
[13:02] <daveake> I was expecting the payload to update
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Very small car to get the reindeers in
[13:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Me too Dave
[13:03] <DL1SGP> well it is a good area for searching
[13:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Excellent with that nice lane to walk up to get a bearing
[13:05] <DL1SGP> and farmers nearby to ask for access to property if required
[13:05] <G8APZ> And not forgetting that b-32 is over Sardinia
[13:06] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: ftp://ftp-projects.zmaw.de/aerocom/assessment/radiation/full_report_v02/report_appC045_may2012_v02.pdf
[13:06] <Laurenceb__> page 6
[13:06] <G8APZ> another success in coming back from the dead
[13:08] <LeoBodnar> Interesting, counter-intuitive
[13:09] <gonzo___> no update.....damaged on landing?
[13:10] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: with "worst case" of 240W/m^2 upwelling and -50C ambinet
[13:10] <LeoBodnar> do they upload from the car?
[13:10] <Laurenceb__> i get -35C battery temperature
[13:10] <daveake> Pass. No news either. S_Mark disconnected when they arrived,
[13:10] <daveake> Unplugged or perhaps no 3G
[13:10] <Laurenceb__> with 7mm bubble wrap
[13:10] <gonzo___> turned of ingition
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[13:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Probably not a good 3G signal out there
[13:11] <LeoBodnar> That's a lot of re-radiation . WOuld be nice to efficiently capture that
[13:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> The car was updating quite nicely as they arrived
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[13:11] <Laurenceb__> so it flies everywhere accept arctic and north east siberia
[13:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good point Geoff
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[13:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> I think Mark and Cassie just want to keep us in suspense! :-)
[13:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> most likely switched off ignition as gonzo___ suggested
[13:12] <daveake> I can't see 3G or laptop being dependent on car power
[13:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Only been ten minutes
[13:12] <Laurenceb__> courses.ae.utexas.edu/ase261/balloon/MIRBalloon.pdf
[13:13] <G8APZ> If they recover the package they need only go to the T junction, turn right, and there is The Kings Arms Inn
[13:13] <G8APZ> turn left I mean!!
[13:13] <G8APZ> oops
[13:13] <daveake> ha
[13:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Feels longer unless you're actually doing the recovery (I speak from experience of just one!)
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[13:13] <DL1SGP> Less humid though, Steve_G0TDJ
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Might have done to save battery power whilst away from car
[13:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just a little!
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Time for a Cheese on Toast whilst waiting!
[13:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have hoovering to do!
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[13:18] <DL1SGP> Tiem for Cake and Coffee
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[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> no change then
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> B-32 going well
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> sardina_ ???
[13:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> SD3 Recovered!
[13:32] <malgar> sardinia_: ? sei italiano?
[13:32] <malgar> ci serve una antenna in sardegna! :D
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[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah Ha sheep!
[13:33] <G8APZ> Oh good... Geoff-G8DHE good job!
[13:34] <G8APZ> Damaged or intact?
[13:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not reported
[13:35] <craag> Santa and Rudolph still attached though
[13:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> @stratodean I can confirm Santa and Rudolph are still on board!
[13:36] <G8APZ> craag is there a tutorial on using that Github thing? Leaves me cold just looking at it!!
[13:38] <craag> G8APZ: There are a fair few around I think, what's your confidence level with git?
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[13:39] <gonzo___> ah good news from SD
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[13:39] <gonzo___> I started to worry that they had got a power line, as there are some in the path
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[13:39] <G8APZ> craag zero!
[13:39] <gonzo___> welcome back
[13:40] <LeoBodnar> http://www.lynda.com/Git-tutorials/Git-Essential-Training/100222-2.html then
[13:40] <craag> G8APZ: Ah ok, do you use svn?
[13:40] <mfa298> G8APZ: have you used any sort of source managment tool before (svn/cvs)
[13:41] <S_Mark> Hello!
[13:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well done S_Mark Good flight and recovery. Love the sheep pic :D
[13:42] <S_Mark> OK, that was very close to someones house/farm and power/telephone lines
[13:42] <craag> S_Mark: Congrats on a great flight!
[13:42] <S_Mark> thanks craag
[13:42] <G8APZ> craag mfa298 I've only used mainframe version control systems, one of which I specc'd! I haven't used anything with PHP/MySQL/HTML etc...
[13:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> S_Mark: Was there a camera on board?
[13:42] <S_Mark> there was two
[13:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Excellent! Looking forward to seeing those shots
[13:43] <craag> G8APZ: Ah ok.. go through this: https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git
[13:43] <mfa298> that sounds like the days of sccs, rcs
[13:43] <S_Mark> a gopro and a still camera
[13:43] <craag> G8APZ: And take a look at this for some explanation of how it works: http://git-scm.com/book/en/Getting-Started-Git-Basics
[13:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Vids and stills
[13:43] <S_Mark> gopro was looking at santa and rudolph
[13:44] <S_Mark> who was conducting his sleigh test
[13:44] <craag> G8APZ: git is the most used source version control now, it's a learning curve, but becomes sooo much easier to manage code once you use it.
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[13:45] <craag> G8APZ: github.com is just a free hosting platform and web UI for git repositories really.
[13:45] <G8APZ> craag OK thanks... I'll have a read later ...
[13:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> craag: Can you define what a 'git' repository is please? Always wondered about the name.
[13:46] <G8APZ> craag I don't write code in collaboration with others, so I don't have a problem with versions.
[13:46] <G8APZ> yes, Git can be misconstrued!!
[13:46] <mfa298> G8APZ: if it was something like sccs you've used the principles behind it are similar although there's a bit more seperation between repositry and working files (from my limited memory of sccs)
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[13:46] <craag> G8APZ: Even for just mananging revisions of your own code, reverting bad changes becomes a one-line command for example.
[13:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Anthony :-)
[13:47] <craag> Steve_G0TDJ: Git is a source code version control program, written by the Linux Kernel Dev Team to use with the kernel code.
[13:47] <G8APZ> craag I rename good vsn to suffix with "b4" then reverting in my case means renaming by removing suffix!!
[13:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah! Linux roots, that explains a lot
[13:48] <G8APZ> Yes... nothing in Linux or its names is intuitive!!
[13:49] <G8APZ> IMHO
[13:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have had experience of Linux but I'm a Windows guy at heart
[13:49] <G8APZ> Windows as far as XP...then I won't be pushed further!!
[13:49] <LazyLeopard> Developed in response to the maintainer of the previous kernel repository being...
[13:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> Win 7 - Excellent
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[13:50] <G8APZ> Steve_G0TDJ That's the problem.... every time MS introduce a new abomination, they make the old one unavailable on new machines.
[13:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[13:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> I don't think it matters what OS you use, as long as it gets the job done
[13:51] <DL1SGP> well done S_Mark
[13:51] <G8APZ> It does to me if existing software refuses to run!!
[13:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well yes, there is that.
[13:52] Nick change: Herman-PB0AHX -> Herman-BBL
[13:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> I still have an XP laptop that I occasionally use.
[13:52] <mikestir> doesn't that count as not getting the job done :)
[13:52] <S_Mark> OK thanks all for the flight - tracking and helping. Off for some food now
[13:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Enjoy s_
[13:52] <G8APZ> e.g. write something in VB5 and use serial port.... then find the bloody thing won't run on an upgraded Windows.... idiots
[13:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> S_Mark:
[13:52] <g0azs> Well done SD team! Very inspirational stuff...
[13:53] <DL1SGP> hehe hopefully no reindeer burger
[13:53] <G8APZ> Yes well done SD3 team
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did it gettangled up around the house then S_Mark ?
[13:53] <DL1SGP> enjoy your meal S_Mark and team
[13:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, I'll step away from this argument. I have stuff to be getting on with! :-)
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[13:53] <S_Mark> no but was VERY close to both their house and their power/telephone lines!
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[13:54] <G8APZ> I hope you wished them a Happy Christmas!!
[13:54] <LeoBodnar> There is nothing more convoluted than IBM mainframe world
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[13:55] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar That's quite true, but legacy software still runs on a moderm mainframe even if it was written 40 years ago!!
[13:55] <G8APZ> Something that MS doesn't seem to understand!
[13:55] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, I did some COBOL interfacing to mysql
[13:56] <LeoBodnar> But ringing an operator to remove your batch job from the queue is so not 2013
[13:56] <G8APZ> yes, COBOL quite versatile in ENTER to another language providing the complier provider has provided it!
[13:57] <G8APZ> compiler
[13:57] <LeoBodnar> And charged for it appropriately several times
[13:58] <G8APZ> yes... must have been a specific type of job queue... I think we were able to can a job before it ran
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[14:00] <daveake> Just pull the "job" from the card reader. Problem solved. :p
[14:01] <G8APZ> That's before VDU submission!!
[14:01] <G8APZ> and no admittance to data centre!!
[14:02] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, always embarrassing to call the operators
[14:02] <G8APZ> Time to go... good luck with B-32 after Sardinia
[14:02] <LeoBodnar> see you later G8APZ
[14:02] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar most just let the job fail!!
[14:03] <LeoBodnar> And everyone can see it in the logs :)
[14:03] <G8APZ> Bye all......73
[14:03] <G8APZ> there is that!!
[14:03] <fsphil> ah it's over an island
[14:03] <G8APZ> Sardinia .... some count it as a different DXCC from Italy
[14:04] <G8APZ> nick G8APZ_away
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[14:13] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: @stratodean SD3 Flight Path Object Movie
[14:13] <tweetBot> http://t.co/ChOutVfIL6
[14:13] <tweetBot> #ukhas #hanr #hamradio #HAB
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[14:23] <DL7AD_> good afternoon
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[14:28] <DL1SGP> Guten Nachmittag Sven
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[14:39] <malgar> does chat here the launcher of Orion? who is?
[14:39] <fsphil> that'll be me
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[14:46] <Reb-SM3ULC> Steve_G0TDJ: cool fligh!
[14:48] <Reb-SM3ULC> B-32 seems to drop.. :(
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[15:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Reb-SM3ULC: Hi
[15:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sorry, I was AFK
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[15:56] <Laurenceb__> we need bigger balloons
[15:56] <Laurenceb__> fly above the weather
[15:56] <Laurenceb__> looks like B-32 clocked up 69 hours
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[15:56] <Laurenceb__> forecast is rain in Sassari
[15:57] <LeoBodnar> agree, I'll be experimenting with the sheet heatsealing again
[15:57] <Laurenceb__> 12Km or so should be a lot nicer
[15:58] <Laurenceb__> but colder
[15:58] <Laurenceb__> but then, IR heating should solve the problem
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[15:59] <LeoBodnar> Sounds like a plan, need to work out envelope/seams stress problems
[16:00] <Laurenceb__> i wonder if anyone makes >36"
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[16:02] <LeoBodnar> I didn't find any
[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> How well did your homemade one work LeoBodnar ?
[16:02] <Laurenceb__> http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/503260479/customerized_shape_helium_balloon.html
[16:02] <Laurenceb__> lol
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[16:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> China is going to float those throughout that bit of airspace they have taken over near Japan!
[16:04] <LeoBodnar> An inflatable cow with AK47 wtf?!
[16:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> Laurenceb__: :D
[16:05] <tweetBot> @thecraag: It didn't get to fly this weekend due to sea-bound predictions, but here's a write-up on my Pi SSDV Payload: https://t.co/41uKZX6qVK #ukhas
[16:06] <LeoBodnar> Geoff-G8DHE: it burst right when reaching float and that's at night
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[16:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh dear :-( I seemed to remember it had a problem, how was it sealed last I saw on here was that heat sealing wasn't any good ?
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[16:10] <LeoBodnar> It's good but seams have to be really straight otherwise when they unfold uneven edge creates massive stress points
[16:12] <LeoBodnar> properly sealed seam is stronger than the material itself
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[16:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> ? Make Cubic ballooons ?
[16:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> ;-)
[16:13] <LeoBodnar> I have considered that, it's much easier to weld straight seam
[16:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> or simple tubes with flattened ends ?
[16:13] <LeoBodnar> and you only need two sheets of material
[16:14] <LeoBodnar> it will have a very awkward seam
[16:14] <LeoBodnar> where cylinder meets the disk
[16:15] <LeoBodnar> and it will bulge out anyway
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[16:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah I meant just squash tube flat at the ends no disc's to seal
[16:16] <LeoBodnar> That's what I have tried
[16:16] <LeoBodnar> Big sausage
[16:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah the picture I saw wasn't very clear as to the shape it was sortof squashed up! being under inflated at the time.
[16:16] <LeoBodnar> Aerodynamically great, ascent rate was massive
[16:17] <LeoBodnar> 2.5m/s or so
[16:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> was the tube bertical or horizontal, I assume vertical ?
[16:18] <Laurenceb__> there used to be a place in Derby that made balloons
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[16:18] <Laurenceb__> unfortunatly it closed a few years ago
[16:18] <Laurenceb__> theres got to be somewhere with bigger ones
[16:19] <LeoBodnar> It basically needs a shop that can hot seal few m^2 of film
[16:19] <LeoBodnar> With good consistent quality
[16:20] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[16:20] <Laurenceb__> thats not so easy to do
[16:20] <LeoBodnar> In high altitude balloon supertemperature heating becomes the main problem I think
[16:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah just seen B-32 has descended :-(
[16:21] <LeoBodnar> By dropping free lift to almost zero you can bring superpressure down to almost nothing but as the sun comes out it is going to puff up
[16:22] <Laurenceb__> http://s7d4.scene7.com/is/image/CostumeSupercenter/BB100749?$large$
[16:22] <LeoBodnar> Lol I wonder how will it look when pressurised and distorted
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[16:41] <daveake> Pass Willdude123_ ?
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[16:43] <daveake> Pass WillTablet ?
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[16:47] <gb73d> http://english.cntv.cn/live/p2p/index.shtml
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[16:48] <gb73d> live cov moon lander launch now
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[17:05] <Willdude> I passed
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[17:06] <mfa298> well done!
[17:06] <mfa298> Intermediate booked for next week then?
[17:08] <Willdude> mfa298 well they can't technically tell you
[17:08] <Willdude> But they were just like we think you all passed
[17:08] <Willdude> Which means we had
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[17:09] <mfa298> for the Foundation they should have a mark sheet there so can tell you if you passed or not. I think it's hen just sent off to the RSGB for confirmation.
[17:10] <fsphil> yea they can tell
[17:10] <fsphil> we told everyone at the conference
[17:10] <mfa298> Same for Intermediate
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[17:10] <mfa298> It's only the Advanced that they can't mark there - although I think the trainers will potentially have a look through and have an idea of whether it's a pass or not.
[17:11] <Willdude> mfa298 they now use optical mark sheets
[17:11] <Willdude> They can't tell you
[17:11] <Willdude> But they sorta do
[17:11] <fsphil> they have to count them up at the time
[17:12] <fsphil> so they'll know
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[17:12] <fsphil> unless they've changed it since the summer
[17:12] <gonzo___> we have started running courses again at our club. Want to see if there is any call in the area for an intensive fasttrack weekend.
[17:13] <gonzo___> (and if the trainers think they could do it!)
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[17:24] <bbjunkie> yep fsphil it was changed recently, now you fill in two sheets, one gets sent off to the RSGB to be officially marked, the other gets checked on the evening and the student usually finds out if they are "likely" to pass pending the RSGB marking it
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[17:25] <LeoBodnar> I have passed Foundation in September and has been told on the spot
[17:25] <LeoBodnar> I actually sat Intermediate 30 minutes later so technically it would be impossible without knowing Foundation results
[17:25] <gb73d> go all the way to full licence good luck
[17:26] <LeoBodnar> But congratulations in any case Willdude
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[17:26] <bbjunkie> its still possible to sit all 3 exams on the one day
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[17:27] <bbjunkie> or go to Dublin ComReg offices and sit the EI full license exam, no messing
[17:28] <jcoxon> gonzo___, i should probably do my intermediate exam
[17:28] <jcoxon> :-)
[17:29] <gonzo___> you'd probably walk the full exam too
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[17:30] <LeoBodnar> are you still Foundation James?
[17:30] <x-f> http://english.cntv.cn/live/p2p/index.shtml - Chinese going to the Moon in one minute
[17:30] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, yeah, never had a reason to move forward
[17:30] <jcoxon> also i like my M6 callsign
[17:30] <LeoBodnar> Technically you can't experiment with APRS homebuilt stuff
[17:30] <LeoBodnar> But we won't tell anyone
[17:30] <jcoxon> sure but i don't
[17:30] <jcoxon> i'm using handhelds
[17:30] <jcoxon> or an HX-1
[17:30] <jcoxon> :-p
[17:31] <gonzo___> see if you can get the same calol but M0
[17:31] <eroomde> i failed at that
[17:31] <eroomde> I just went for M0TEK as a node to old test equipment
[17:31] <gonzo___> if ofcom and caa allow AR to do airborne, it will almost certainkly be full licenecs only
[17:32] <gonzo___> mine was as a result of being a drunk student wjat OI close mone
[17:32] <gonzo___> mine
[17:32] <gonzo___> when I close mine
[17:32] <gonzo___> chose
[17:32] <LeoBodnar> James better do it in advance because when you will need it quickly it will be a slow process - at least 2 months
[17:32] <gonzo___> (AGH)
[17:33] <jcoxon> i've got other exams soon
[17:33] <jcoxon> which is a bit annoying
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[17:34] <LeoBodnar> It's just booking for advanced and Intemediate practice stuff which is time consuming, theory will be yours after few days
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[17:34] <LeoBodnar> there are only 6 Advanced dates a year iirc
[17:36] <LeoBodnar> Did you gat anywhere with ARISS APRS?
[17:36] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, no, no further
[17:36] <LeoBodnar> we need own sat
[17:36] <jcoxon> exactly
[17:37] <LeoBodnar> daveake was the project manager I think
[17:38] <jcoxon> whats th status of B32
[17:39] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[17:39] <daveake> I was what? :)
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[17:43] <jcoxon> bbl
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[17:45] <LeoBodnar> You are HAB sat project director
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[17:46] <daveake> Don't think I got the memo
[17:46] <esculca> I guys
[17:46] <esculca> long time since I joined this channel
[17:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> The Ninja Goats got loose again http://www.viralnova.com/hidden-dam/
[17:47] <esculca> need some advice
[17:47] <daveake> we have advice here
[17:47] <esculca> regarding ploting coordinates over google earth
[17:47] <esculca> i have fldigi installed
[17:48] <esculca> managed to get the telemtry arriving from the balloon
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[17:48] <esculca> but now i want to plot the coordinates over a map
[17:48] <esculca> i can use spacenear.us
[17:48] <esculca> but so for i wasn't able to get it to worl
[17:48] <esculca> work*
[17:49] <esculca> so I am trying to build my own application that runs only on my wondows laptop
[17:49] <esculca> windows*
[17:49] <esculca> any advice...
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[17:49] <esculca> ?
[17:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think craag would be the guy to have a word with he has been building a version http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?filter=SD3
[17:51] <esculca> could be...
[17:51] <esculca> btw, i am from portugal
[17:52] <esculca> i spoke some months ago with some guys from this chat
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Excellent we need more trackers your way! ;-)
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[17:52] <esculca> my ballon is now ready
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[17:52] <esculca> to be sent
[17:52] <esculca> i just want to get the map part of the project
[17:53] <esculca> i willing to help tracking other ballons
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[17:53] <esculca> i am willing to help tracking other ballons
[17:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like he is away this afternoon but he is in here quite often ...
[17:54] <esculca> but that is an online application, right?
[17:54] <esculca> what about a local applciation that only runs on your laptop
[17:54] <esculca> ?
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[17:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup, it calls habitat for the data and plots it
[17:55] <esculca> none of you built a local application?
[17:55] <esculca> using processing or something like that?
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[17:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh I see taking the data straight from dl-fldigi I assume ?
[17:56] <esculca> that's right
[17:56] <esculca> fldigi or other application
[17:56] <esculca> In my case I get telemetry from 433MHz (using FL-DIGI) and from 868 MHz using X-CTU from Digi
[17:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> You will need to to use the Google maps API directly then
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[17:58] <esculca> I gess so
[17:58] <esculca> but how an I export data from FLDIGI
[17:58] <esculca> ?
[17:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Head for the developes pages then https://developers.google.com/maps/
[17:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> developers
[17:58] <esculca> ok, I will look into that
[17:59] <esculca> thanks
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[17:59] <esculca> gotta go now and have dinner
[17:59] <esculca> be back later
[17:59] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb__: got a blood pressure tester in ALDI for £6.99 earlier today
[17:59] <esculca> cheers
[18:00] <Laurenceb__> nice
[18:00] <Laurenceb__> what parts is it using?
[18:00] <LeoBodnar> how do they do it?
[18:00] <Laurenceb__> well..
[18:00] <Laurenceb__> cheap micro and pumps
[18:00] <LeoBodnar> Don't know yet, got distracted Brioches
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[18:06] <eroomde> i can sympathise with the brioche distraction
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[18:13] <nats`> hi boyz
[18:14] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb__: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/pumpo/
[18:16] <Laurenceb__> very interesting
[18:16] <mattbrejza> i can tell by the font on the pcb silkscreen its come from china :P
[18:16] <Laurenceb__> nats`: here we go
[18:16] <malgar> LeoBodnar: and what do you do with that pump?
[18:16] <nats`> Laurenceb ?
[18:17] <eroomde> yeah the chinese seem quite keen on serif fonts for silk screens
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> Just though about that too. Why serif fonts on silkscreens?
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[18:17] <Laurenceb__> nats`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpKCqp9CALQ
[18:17] <nats`> oihhhhh love that one :)
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> I guess we'd do the same with their hieroglyphs
[18:17] <nats`> I push up the volume !
[18:18] <Laurenceb__> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/pumpo/Pages/9.html
[18:18] <Laurenceb__> not a 2smpp-02
[18:18] <Laurenceb__> heh pcb looks more expensive than the omron
[18:18] <Laurenceb__> i see smps and stuff
[18:19] <Laurenceb__> looks like a noname pressure sensor then i guess
[18:20] <Laurenceb__> oooh 3v pump
[18:20] <Laurenceb__> my likes
[18:21] <Laurenceb__> that looks more useful than omron
[18:22] <LeoBodnar> It is also way smaller
[18:22] <Laurenceb__> http://www.tcs-motor.com/en/product-details-161.aspx
[18:23] <LeoBodnar> Omron is buying components from the wrong village
[18:23] <Laurenceb__> " eye nanny"
[18:23] <Laurenceb__> wut
[18:23] <Laurenceb__> "Most tremendous pressure"
[18:23] <LeoBodnar> Haha
[18:24] <LeoBodnar> is it 0.5atm?
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[18:25] <Laurenceb__> more like 0.31
[18:25] <Laurenceb__> ooh
[18:25] <Laurenceb__> http://www.tcs-motor.com/en/solenoidValve.aspx
[18:25] <Laurenceb__> bet these are cheaper than parker hannafin
[18:28] <LeoBodnar> I am sure they are
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[18:31] <Laurenceb__> http://www.tcs-motor.com/en/product-details-202.aspx
[18:31] <Laurenceb__> nice and low power, but prob too heavy for any balloon flights
[18:31] <Laurenceb__> im guessing 6grams or more
[18:32] <LeoBodnar> the part used in the thingy is JQF1-3A/DC3V
[18:33] <Laurenceb__> ah
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> used for "..eye and other medical equipment products nanny."
[18:33] <Laurenceb__> should be simple to put together a test rig
[18:33] <Laurenceb__> lol
[18:33] <Laurenceb__> 1L/minute for the pump
[18:33] <Laurenceb__> that might take a while to inflate...
[18:33] <Laurenceb__> i guess only a few hours
[18:34] <nats`> you want a pump to inflate balloon ?
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[18:34] <LeoBodnar> Time is on our side
[18:34] <Laurenceb__> i wonder what happens if you take the blood pressure of a qualatex balloon
[18:34] <bertrik> Herman-BBL: heard anything from Wouter yet regarding the payload for the "KOMO" balloon?
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[18:35] <bertrik> I think the software is basically ready. I still have an BMP085 pressure sensor, we can put that on too
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[18:37] <LeoBodnar> Pump whirring slowly at 1L/m. Valve is silent today. Will the envelope hold?
[18:37] <eroomde> are you going to detonate it?
[18:38] <LeoBodnar> Hab hokku
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[18:39] <eroomde> i saw tchaikovsky V last night with the royal phil
[18:39] <eroomde> it was good
[18:39] <eroomde> i wish to share that it was good
[18:40] <LeoBodnar> perks of living close to London
[18:40] <eroomde> actually this was in aylesbury
[18:40] <LeoBodnar> oh
[18:40] <eroomde> they decided to visit the styx
[18:40] <nats`> tchaikovsky 5 it's like Rocky 6 but cheaper ? :D
[18:41] <eroomde> thankfully youtube can go some way to sibstituing for the real thing
[18:41] <eroomde> this performance is so magnificent, watch the final mvmt from 37:00. bernstein is a proper ecstatic, in the true sense of the word
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[18:42] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2JBT0HC98I
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> 2^1/12 is an irrational number, so does it sound so bloody good?!
[18:43] <LeoBodnar> *why
[18:43] <es5nhc> Surely you mean 2^(1/12)
[18:44] <eroomde> irrationality is just in the pi of the beholder
[18:44] <LeoBodnar> i surely did!
[18:45] <LeoBodnar> So you are human then es5nhc ?
[18:45] <es5nhc> Yes
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[18:46] <es5nhc> Well... I admit... I am hooked now to picking up also balloons... so if you have any coming towards the Baltics, feel free to let me know
[18:46] <es5nhc> Managed to get a few decodes this morning just before ORION burst
[18:48] <LeoBodnar> we need more floaters
[18:49] <daveake> I'll do one later this month
[18:49] <LeoBodnar> k
[18:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> es5nhc, Are you joined to the google forum and mailing list which covers the announcments ?
[18:49] <es5nhc> Yes, I am
[18:50] <daveake> been meaning to for a while, but been busy
[18:50] <x-f> es5nhc, in autumn and winter we will get some more chances, summer is the quiet season, when we must launch our own balloons :)
[18:50] <LeoBodnar> Are you on DL7AD_ database as well?
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[18:50] <es5nhc> The mailing list is how I learned about Orion... as soon as I read Poland a light went off in the head.
[18:51] <es5nhc> DL7AD_ database?
[18:51] <ibanezmatt13> anyone know the way to split a comma-separated string like "NORB,121212,54.3333 etc" by comma into an array or list or something in VB.net? :/
[18:51] <daveake> Burn him
[18:51] <daveake> He said VB
[18:51] <mfa298> use something better than VB.net
[18:51] <daveake> ^ this
[18:51] <es5nhc> In Python I'd use .split()
[18:51] <ibanezmatt13> Me too, VB's naf though :P
[18:52] <es5nhc> Haven't coded in VB for years
[18:52] <daveake> Start with ALT F4, then Start --> control panel --> uninstall --> VB.Net
[18:52] <mfa298> in C I probably wouldn't use strtok (but there is a similar function that would work)
[18:52] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[18:52] <ibanezmatt13> I'm doing a Windows Forms App, unfortunately, I need to use VB today :(
[18:53] <es5nhc> Frankly, had I discovered Python in childhood, I'd have skipped the whole Basic era... Was won over in 2010 when started learning it in University
[18:53] <fsphil> Did I hear someone mention VB?
[18:54] <daveake> You did
[18:54] <ibanezmatt13> you did indeed
[18:54] <mattbrejza> ibanezmatt13: at least use c#...
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> use awk lol
[18:54] <ibanezmatt13> I could mattbrejza, but I've gotta use VB for this project for college :/
[18:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://www.dotnetcurry.com/showarticle.aspx?ID=190
[18:55] <mattbrejza> i would ask them if i could use c#, is basically the same thing but with nicer syntax
[18:55] <Laurenceb__> sed
[18:55] <ibanezmatt13> yep, that would be nice
[18:55] <ibanezmatt13> I was expecting some sort of Indian recepie then Geoff-G8DHE-M :)
[18:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Actually you want Part 1 item 2
[18:56] Action: mfa298 wonders who'll do a awk/sed/perl based payload first
[18:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> string.spli()
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[18:57] <ibanezmatt13> I found that string.split() would work, but I can't seem to store it anywhere. Python just lets me create a list and shove it in there
[18:57] <ibanezmatt13> Dim MyList As New List(Of String) = TextBox.Text.Split(",") doesn't work. Looks lovely doesn't it
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[18:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> don' t you need to give it an array even if only array of one
[18:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> rather than a string itself
[18:59] <ibanezmatt13> Erm, I'm not entirely sure
[18:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> VB.NET
[18:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Dim delim As Char() = {" "c}
[18:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Dim strArr As String() = strOriginal.Split(delim)
[18:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> For Each s As String In strArr
[18:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> MessageBox.Show(s)
[18:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Next s
[18:59] <fsphil> python's split will work the same way
[19:00] <ibanezmatt13> Ah I see what you mean Geoff-G8DHE-M
[19:00] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try iot
[19:00] <ibanezmatt13> it*
[19:00] <fsphil> >>> a = 'this,is,a,test'.split(',')
[19:00] <fsphil> >>> print a
[19:00] <fsphil> ['this', 'is', 'a', 'test']
[19:00] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: Python is just generally far easier and makes far more sense than VB
[19:00] <fsphil> yes
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[19:01] <fsphil> I suspect VB only still exists because it was B.Gates pet project
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[19:01] <ibanezmatt13> Geoff-G8DHE-M: Dim strArr As String() = txtTelemetryExample.Text.Split(",") it's seeming to like that
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[19:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Lets hope so!
[19:07] <ibanezmatt13> aye, it's working :)
[19:07] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks!
[19:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Thank Google
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[19:28] <arko> woah, B-32 came back!
[19:29] <LeoBodnar> it did indeed!
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> thanks for the link eroomde
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> I wonder if large orchestras have to deal with speed of sound issues
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[19:32] <Reb-SM3ULC> what?
[19:32] <LeoBodnar> I found it very annoying when you seat at the back, you can just as well close your eyes
[19:34] <Reb-SM3ULC> arko: you mean from africa-tour?:9
[19:35] <arko> hahaa yeah
[19:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> arko: thought it maybe reincarnated yet again...
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[19:36] <arko> haha el pumpo cheapo
[19:36] <arko> cant wait to see what that turns into
[19:37] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> I have recently been to Bach requiem concert in a large basilica and the organ/organist were at the back about 150-200m from the orchestra. Granted organ is not a rhythm instrument but still there is a good 500ms+ sound delay between the two depending on where you are
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[19:42] <mfa298> LeoBodnar: I think that's at least partly the point of having a conductor, I remember seeing it demonstrated on some singing program a few years ago where the conductor took the choir to a large ampithetre and had them stand in different areas.
[19:43] <mfa298> although I think I've seen speed issues discussed more by the sound technicians for big events where they have to put delays in for the various speaker arrays
[19:49] <LeoBodnar> new generation of conductors probably refer to auditorium "ping time"
[19:50] <fsphil> sounds fair
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[19:56] <LeoBodnar> Looks like SP3OSJ will be launching in an hour and a half time
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[19:58] <Upu> are you lot just trying to kill spacenear.us ?
[20:00] <LeoBodnar> haven't we yet?
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[20:00] <mfa298> they're just encouraging people to write new maps e.g. http://maps.m1ari.co.uk/spacenearer/?filter=SD3 (my variations on craag's http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?filter=SD3)
[20:02] <Upu> both look great
[20:03] <Upu> mfa298 you're being dangerous using Bing maps
[20:03] <mfa298> mostly the same code, but I've added the start of the status info
[20:03] <Upu> (which actually seem to be better than Google sometimes)
[20:03] <mfa298> it's the only way I could quickly get the OS maps overlay
[20:03] <Upu> oh
[20:03] <Upu> OS thats excellent
[20:03] <Upu> can see the footpaths :)
[20:04] <mfa298> you can select different layers (OSM/Google) from the top right - we've both got the same maps, just different defaults)
[20:05] <mfa298> I'd like to replace Bing with the OS Openspaces API as it has more zoom levels including something like 1:1000 (yes only three zeros) but that API seems to be more problematic
[20:05] <Upu> merge that functionality of mobile tracker and I think we are good
[20:05] <daveake> offline maps
[20:06] <fsphil> OS don't cover NI :(
[20:06] <daveake> and get the payload position from dl-fldigi locally
[20:06] <daveake> you never land there anyway :p
[20:06] <fsphil> hah
[20:06] <fsphil> so true
[20:07] <Upu> do we think B-32 made it to land on Sardina ?
[20:07] <mattbrejza> you have just described my app daveake ...
[20:07] <mfa298> you can see the OS Openspaces zoom levels at http://pgg999.co.uk/leaflet044.html but the code for that seems to break in the newer leafletjs api
[20:07] <LeoBodnar> I doubt it
[20:07] <daveake> mattbrejza, :)
[20:08] <mattbrejza> a pc version would be nice too though
[20:08] <daveake> s/pc/pi/
[20:08] <daveake> hint
[20:09] <mattbrejza> well tbh would would be good would be to write the rtty decoder in js
[20:09] <daveake> and if you need more speed, RPi foundation can help
[20:09] <mattbrejza> mfa298: did you try running the java decoder on a pi in the end?
[20:09] <mattbrejza> what i need is more time :P
[20:09] <daveake> :)
[20:10] <mfa298> mattbrejza: I've not tried recently or on a newer model-B
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[20:10] <mfa298> I tried it ages ago but had issues getting audio in - but I'm not sure if that was CPU or USB power issues
[20:10] <mfa298> or both
[20:11] <mattbrejza> oh yea, no audio in
[20:12] <daveake> usb audio dongle should do that
[20:12] <mfa298> I've just ordered a cheap USB audio Lineout/mic in type soundcard from ebay so can test with that.
[20:13] <mfa298> the previous soundards I've got are a bit larger so might have needed more power - and one now has a broken USB socket so isn't so easy to use
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> would it not be easier to use SPI ADC?
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[20:16] <mikestir> what about that add on board with the wolfson codec on it?
[20:17] <mikestir> oh. not available yet
[20:17] <mikestir> http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-accessories/wolfson_pi
[20:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening :-)
[20:17] <mfa298> If I dig down through the boxes a bit I've also got a pro audio soundcard which uses external power which should help pi usb power issues
[20:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: do You remember video, that i have posted some weeks ago (this with "interesting headphones" ;-)?
[20:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> they got to BBC news ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=extuRwe3JGs
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> lol
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[20:37] <mfa298> mattbrejza: first discovery for testing now, resolution on composite out isn't good enough for your app.
[20:38] <mattbrejza> surely all you need to do is montir the cpu and check its not 100%?
[20:39] <mattbrejza> or does it not even run?
[20:39] <mfa298> I couldn't see enough of the app to see what was happening
[20:39] <mfa298> I've now swapped to hdmi
[20:40] <mfa298> top
[20:40] <mfa298> wrong keayboard
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[20:45] <mfa298> load average is sitting at about 1.00 but I dont think I'm getting any real audio in
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> Processes: 182 total, 2 barely running, 80 sleeping, 1 stuck
[20:50] <mfa298> only problem is I think this audio device is too pro for linux
[20:50] <mfa298> on the plus side I don't have lots of errors in dmesg this time
[20:52] <mattbrejza> hmm i se
[20:52] <mattbrejza> e
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[21:07] <esculca> hey everyone
[21:07] <esculca> I'm back
[21:07] <esculca> cheers from Aveiro, Portugal
[21:07] <esculca> sorry to interrupt
[21:08] <esculca> still looking for a way to export data from fl-digi
[21:08] <esculca> any advice?
[21:08] <Upu> hey esculca yes
[21:08] <Upu> http://habhub.org/ept
[21:08] <esculca> good
[21:09] <Upu> for a flight that has happened ?
[21:09] <DL1SGP1> Hi esculca and Upu
[21:09] <Upu> Sorry http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[21:09] <Upu> hi there DL1SGP1
[21:09] <esculca> Hi guys
[21:09] <esculca> I am kinda of lost in the habitat
[21:09] <DL1SGP1> oh I got a 1 :) lemme fix that
[21:10] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
[21:10] <Upu> are you trying to get data from a flight that has happened ?
[21:11] <esculca> no, I want to be able visualize in a map where my balloon is
[21:11] <esculca> either locally in my pc
[21:11] <esculca> or in this server of yours
[21:11] <Upu> well if you decode and have a payload document
[21:11] <Upu> it appears at http://spacenear.us/tracker
[21:12] <Upu> now locally "offline" some people have done this but I personally don't know how it works
[21:12] <esculca> i see
[21:13] <esculca> I still don't get it
[21:13] <Upu> ok do you have a payload that is transmitting and you are receiving ?
[21:13] <esculca> I have fl-digi 3.21.50
[21:14] <esculca> yes, i do
[21:14] <Upu> ok can you paste me an example decoded string ?
[21:14] <esculca> well, actually i don't have it here with me now, is in the garage
[21:14] <Upu> whats the payload name ?
[21:15] <esculca> but, if I get online in the fl-digi shhould i appear as a listener in spacenear.us/tracker?
[21:15] <esculca> the payload name is BALOONOLO
[21:15] <Upu> yes if the details are filled in correctly in the listener section
[21:15] <esculca> it's a silly name
[21:15] <esculca> in the listener section?
[21:15] <esculca> let me see then...
[21:15] <Upu> yes
[21:16] <Upu> dl-client -> configure -> dl client tab
[21:16] <Upu> Location tab
[21:16] <esculca> that's where I am know..
[21:16] <Upu> Then the operator tab for the call sign etc
[21:17] <esculca> I just filled out the coordinates
[21:17] <esculca> and the callsign and name
[21:17] <esculca> what else?
[21:18] <esculca> An antenna should appear on top of my location (Portugal)?
[21:18] <Upu> it should yes
[21:18] <Upu> save it
[21:18] <Upu> reopen dl-fldigi
[21:18] <Upu> you're there
[21:19] <Upu> near Pampilhosa da Serra
[21:19] <Upu> no it moved
[21:19] <Upu> Luso
[21:19] <esculca> I dont' see anything...
[21:19] <Upu> its cached but you are on the map
[21:19] <Upu> thats a good location
[21:19] <Upu> we could do with you#
[21:20] <esculca> funny...
[21:20] <DL1SGP> yeah nice location!
[21:20] <esculca> those were the coordinates I input
[21:21] <esculca> though it is not exactly my location
[21:21] <esculca> but that is my fault
[21:21] <esculca> I input the wrong coordintates
[21:21] <DL1SGP> well, gives you a bit of privacy :)
[21:21] <esculca> but nevertheless, why don't I see it in the map and you do?
[21:21] <esculca> :)
[21:21] <esculca> c'mon...
[21:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> reload?
[21:22] <DL1SGP> try to force a refresh CTRL+R or CTRL+F5 on whatever browser you are using
[21:23] <esculca> internet explorer...
[21:23] <esculca> any issue?
[21:23] <DL1SGP> by definition :)
[21:23] <esculca> ok, got it now
[21:23] <esculca> :)
[21:24] <esculca> just closed and re-open internet explorer
[21:24] <esculca> I see my antenna
[21:24] <Upu> put IE in compatibilty mode
[21:24] <esculca> :)
[21:25] <daveake> Use IE to download a proper browser
[21:25] <arko> as anyone heard from MobileNathan recently?
[21:26] <esculca> :)
[21:26] <esculca> IE is a proper browser c'mon
[21:26] <daveake> if you say so
[21:26] <arko> LOL
[21:26] <esculca> IT has been working since the 1990'
[21:27] <arko> define working
[21:27] <esculca> :)
[21:27] <daveake> so has my car but it still needs replacing
[21:27] <esculca> let's now compare cars with browswers
[21:27] <DL1SGP> arko, nothing heard from MobileNathan on this end
[21:27] <esculca> not*
[21:27] <arko> ah
[21:27] <esculca> ok guys...
[21:28] <arko> damn, im trying to get ahold of him
[21:28] <esculca> so now, if I want to send my position what should I do
[21:28] <esculca> should I follow any kind of telemetry sentence
[21:28] <esculca> ?
[21:28] <DL1SGP> if he is a hardcore IRC user with registered nick and memo service being active you could try leaving him a memo @ arko
[21:28] <arko> yeah
[21:29] <esculca> ok...
[21:29] <esculca> seems that I am the only lestener around here
[21:29] <esculca> listener
[21:30] <DL1SGP> for now that is true esculca, but you are welcome to activate more people in Portugal
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[21:33] <esculca> I am focusing now on sending my balloon and recover it sucessfully
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[21:33] <esculca> I started this project almost a year ago
[21:33] <esculca> unfortunatelly, many things happened along the way
[21:34] <esculca> and I was unable to work on it
[21:34] <esculca> but last week I get back to it
[21:34] <esculca> and managed to make everything work
[21:35] <esculca> except this map part of it
[21:35] <esculca> still some doubts
[21:35] <esculca> one for istance is the antenna
[21:35] <esculca> I am using a quarter wave antenna
[21:37] <esculca> (just updated my location)
[21:37] <esculca> now you can see where I am now on spacenear.us
[21:37] <esculca> :)
[21:38] <Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/QAbrc53.gif
[21:38] <mfa298> esculca: a well made 1/4 wave antenna can work well - That's what most UK people use on their balloons and what I use at home to receive them.
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[21:40] <LeoBodnar> hahaha
[21:40] <esculca> do you think I can receive telemetry here in Portugal?
[21:40] <esculca> from other people?
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[21:40] <esculca> I just built a yagi antenna to receive my own telemetry
[21:41] <esculca> should I point it out to the sky to hear telemetry from other people?
[21:41] <DL1SGP> *rofl* Laurenceb__
[21:42] <DL1SGP> escula, if there is a payload coming by you should be able to hear it just fine
[21:42] <mfa298> esculca: it depends on where the balloon is, for ones on the 70cm band (434MHz) it's generally limited to line of site.
[21:42] <mfa298> you might need to wait for Leo to launch another balloon, they seem to visit all parts of Europe.
[21:42] <esculca> any plans for any of you to send a ballon around here?
[21:42] <Upu> all the time esculca
[21:43] <esculca> who's LEo?
[21:43] <esculca> :)
[21:43] <Upu> Leo does floaters one went past you a few days ago
[21:43] Action: Upu points at LeoBodnar
[21:43] <esculca> feel free to stop by Portugal then
[21:43] <LeoBodnar> me
[21:43] <esculca> I am planning to send mine soon
[21:43] <esculca> here in Portugal
[21:43] <Upu> also
[21:43] <esculca> if you want to come over and send it feel free
[21:43] <Upu> a transatlantic attempt in the next day or so
[21:44] <esculca> that is great
[21:44] <Upu> may make land fall near Portugal
[21:44] <esculca> should I set the antenna then?
[21:44] <LeoBodnar> there were few launches in Spain earlier this year that you would have been able to receive
[21:44] <Upu> its likely to launch tomorrow around 2300UTC from Rochester, NY
[21:45] <Upu> just depends on the weather
[21:45] <esculca> too bad I missed those
[21:45] <LeoBodnar> I am sure there will be more
[21:45] <daveake> There'll be more in Spain next yer
[21:45] <daveake> year
[21:45] Nick change: TheRealAzend -> azend
[21:45] <DL1SGP> yay daveake wants to go hiking again
[21:45] <daveake> No dates yet but it'll be posted in the mailing list
[21:45] <esculca> ok, I'll be waiting for then
[21:46] <daveake> Nah I want to land in the plains again :)
[21:46] <esculca> how can I join the mailing list=
[21:46] <esculca> ?
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[21:46] <Baldwinwill> Hello, I was wondering If I could have some help with my transmitting code
[21:47] <esculca> ok, let ma see if I can add my email
[21:47] <daveake> Whereabouts in Portugal are you esculca ?
[21:48] <esculca> In a city called Aveiro
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[21:48] <esculca> you can see the location now :)
[21:48] <esculca> at spacenear.us
[21:48] <daveake> Ah cool
[21:49] <daveake> I've been to Guimaraes a couple of times
[21:49] <esculca> nice city too
[21:49] <esculca> but Aveiro is nicer
[21:49] <daveake> :)
[21:49] <daveake> This was work
[21:49] <esculca> not a good place to send balloons as 100% of the time they will end in the Atlantic
[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hi Baldwinwill, ask away some one will start replying to you!
[21:50] <esculca> nevertheless it a beautiful place for other stuff, sailing for instance
[21:50] <esculca> Guimaraes doing what Dave?
[21:50] <Baldwinwill> I was wondering If I could have someone check over my code or give me some advice
[21:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well if you make it available somewhere where people can look at it ... or just ask away
[21:52] <Baldwinwill> Im am getting GPS using a spark fun venus gps receiver and am using a radiometrix 434.65 Hz transmitter
[21:52] <Baldwinwill> as well as an arduino to process everything
[21:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK does the GPS work at the heights you intend to go ? Most have limits on the height they will work at
[21:53] <Baldwinwill> I am using a Ham Radio to pick up the transmissions then DI-fldigi to decode then spacenearus to track
[21:53] <Baldwinwill> yes, the gps does work
[21:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sounds the best way, what part of the world are you in ?
[21:54] <Baldwinwill> Im in california
[21:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah near arko then
[21:54] <mfa298> Baldwinwill: have you checked it will work at HAB altitudes most GPS modules cut out at 18km, HAB's have been up to 44KM.
[21:54] <Baldwinwill> supposedly it does
[21:54] <Baldwinwill> I have consulted others who have successfully used it
[21:55] <Baldwinwill> my problem starts once I want to use Di-fldigi
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[21:55] <Baldwinwill> everything works up to there
[21:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> what goes wrong then ?
[21:55] <Baldwinwill> I can hear the tones on the ham
[21:55] <Baldwinwill> but am wondering how to set up di-fldigi to process the tones
[21:56] <DL1SGP> what are you using as mode?
[21:56] <DL1SGP> rtty?
[21:56] <Baldwinwill> yes
[21:56] <Baldwinwill> I believe so
[21:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> your using RTTY then 50 Baud 7/8bit what sort of shift ?
[21:56] <Baldwinwill> Im not sure
[21:56] <Baldwinwill> In fairly new to this stuff
[21:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> well 300Hz to 450Hz is common for the shifts
[21:57] <Baldwinwill> ok
[21:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> have you configured dl-fldifi yet ?
[21:57] <Baldwinwill> np
[21:57] <Baldwinwill> no*
[21:57] <mfa298> your code should define the baud rate and bits sent and the electronics generally determine shift
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[21:58] <Baldwinwill> ok
[21:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> In that case you need to load it, then click on Configure Operator
[21:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> fill out as many details as possible
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[21:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> then select the DLclient tab
[21:58] <mfa298> Also are you a licensed HAM as I don't think 434.65 is a licence exempt frequency over there.
[21:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> select the Location sub-tab
[21:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> fill out the Stainary Listener section
[21:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> that bit puts you on the spacenear.us map
[22:00] <Baldwinwill> yes, I am
[22:00] <mfa298> If you've not found them you might find these guides useful: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 and http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide the second link has screenshots of some of what Geoff-G8DHE has just said to do.
[22:00] <Baldwinwill> I followed both previously
[22:00] <Baldwinwill> didn't work
[22:00] <Baldwinwill> so Im reconfiguring now
[22:00] <Baldwinwill> ok
[22:00] <Baldwinwill> I just reconfigured
[22:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> and you on the map as Will_Launch
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[22:01] <DL1SGP> indeed
[22:01] <Baldwinwill> yes, that is me
[22:01] <mfa298> what radio are you using to listen with ?
[22:01] <Baldwinwill> Kenwood TH-F6
[22:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Now anything which is successfully decoded will be sent to the servers and displayed
[22:01] <Baldwinwill> ok
[22:01] <Baldwinwill> Do I need to register a payload or anything>
[22:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> when you ready getting ready for a flight then you need to fill out a Paylod docuument etc. so that the data is stored permanaently
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[22:02] <mfa298> you might need to create a payload doc for it to be displayed on the spacenear.us map, but dl-fldigi will decode without a payload doc
[22:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> On this page http://habitat.habhub.org/
[22:03] <bbjunkie> TH-F6 wont be very suitable for receiving your data on USB
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[22:03] <Baldwinwill> Why?
[22:03] <mfa298> that radio should work (I think it's the USA equivalent of the TH-F7E)
[22:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> and then ask for it to be authorised bestdone on the #habhub IRC channel where all the IT talk goes ;-)
[22:04] <bbjunkie> mfa298 - they dont have proper SSB, correct me if im wrong
[22:04] <mfa298> it had a wideband multimode reciever (at least the F7 does)
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[22:05] <mfa298> not as sensitive as some of the other radios but it does work
[22:05] <bbjunkie> yep I have the F7e
[22:06] <bbjunkie> SSB sounds terrible on them
[22:06] <DL1SGP> well the SSB filters are a bit "wide"
[22:07] <mfa298> I'd put them in the same camp as the rtl-sdr's for sensitivity (although a lot more portable for dfing)
[22:07] <mattbrejza> Upu: around?
[22:07] <Upu> I am
[22:07] <DL1SGP> :)
[22:07] <mattbrejza> i was comparing the max7c to max6 yday, and the max7 modules seem to be worse at getting lock
[22:07] <Upu> 7C's are slower yes
[22:07] <Upu> 7Q's shouldn't be
[22:07] <mattbrejza> how much slower?
[22:08] <Upu> not much tbh
[22:08] <Upu> few seconds
[22:08] <mattbrejza> and once they have lock should the max7c have better DOP and so on?
[22:08] <Baldwinwill> Im still struggling to get this working
[22:08] <Upu> once locked they should be about the same but the 7Q will get lock quicker
[22:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Baldwinwill, Have you listened to any telematry yet on the Rx ?
[22:08] <Upu> and has better power saving
[22:08] <DL1SGP> what is the issue Baldwinwill?
[22:08] <Upu> which is ofset by the 7C running @ 1.8V
[22:09] <Baldwinwill> When I plug the audio from the Radio I see the audio on the viewing screen but thats it
[22:09] <mattbrejza> well i powered a max6 abd max7 up, and after about 20min the max6 had had lock for at least 18min, but nothing from the max7
[22:09] <Upu> antenna ?
[22:09] <mattbrejza> chip
[22:09] <mattbrejza> on both
[22:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> you need to select the OpMode as RTTY
[22:09] <Upu> something up with the antenna they aren't that much worse
[22:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> with whatever speed
[22:09] <mattbrejza> yea i was thinking antenna too
[22:10] <mattbrejza> are the latest batch of chip antenans you got in recently different to the ones you used to stock?
[22:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> then you can set the details either from the Config|Modems tab or right click on the RTTY in lower left corner to set the details
[22:10] <mattbrejza> or is the max7 worse with a chip antenna?
[22:10] <mfa298> Baldwinwill: you might need to tune around a bit with the radio set to upper side band first to find the signal
[22:10] <mfa298> if it's sending rtty it should sounds something like http://tenbus.co.uk/icaruscapture.mp3
[22:10] <mattbrejza> once the max7 eventially got lock this is the comparision: http://i.imgur.com/Ef5dESC.png
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[22:11] <Baldwinwill> Can I email you my code to take a look at it
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[22:11] <Baldwinwill> Im not sure if I have the parameters set up right for DI-fldigi to operate with it
[22:12] <mfa298> best place to put code is somewhere like github then various people can look at it - you can also use it to track versions (great when you break something)
[22:12] <Upu> not sure mattbrejza under same conditions there should be seconds in it
[22:12] <Upu> I've see them take 20 mins sometimes
[22:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Best to check with a scope on the output to check timings and voltage shifts
[22:12] <Upu> usually when satellites are low
[22:12] <Upu> but its nearly always something up with the antenna
[22:12] <mattbrejza> well the two modules were literally next to each other
[22:12] <mattbrejza> and they had a good view of the sky
[22:13] <mattbrejza> so its probably the antenna
[22:13] <mattbrejza> but both breakouts i have do the same
[22:13] <mattbrejza> (both max7 ones)
[22:13] <Upu> I haven't seen that issue on the breakout board at all
[22:13] <Upu> had lots of issues with the older Sarantel boards until I fixed the pads
[22:14] <mattbrejza> did you test the boards to see if they get lock before you send them out?
[22:14] <Upu> always
[22:14] <Upu> I don't send "slow lockers" out
[22:14] <Upu> but never had a slow locking chip antenna board they just tend to work
[22:14] <Upu> send them back
[22:15] <Upu> I'll have a look at them
[22:15] <Upu> just do me a favour check them somewhere totally geographically distant to the initial test location
[22:15] <Upu> just to rule out interference
[22:15] <mattbrejza> ill give them another go tomorrow/tue and see what happens
[22:16] <mattbrejza> i was wodering if there was something local
[22:16] <mattbrejza> but weird the max6 is fine
[22:16] <Upu> it has a TCXO in the 7C doesn't
[22:16] <Upu> don't know if that makes a difference
[22:16] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
[22:17] <mattbrejza> mind you once it gets the time from the satellites the TCXO thing should be no issue?
[22:18] <mattbrejza> this was after 20min, i cant see how a non TCXO would make it this much worse: http://i.imgur.com/ZevxARv.png
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[22:19] <DL7AD_> goodnight
[22:19] <mattbrejza> btw, do you know what a typical noise level/agc monitor/cw jamming indicator figures are for the max7c?
[22:19] <mattbrejza> in mon/hw
[22:20] <Upu> no idea sorry
[22:20] <Upu> not got one here to test
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[22:20] <Baldwinwill> I just posted in the UKHAS google group....waiting for approval
[22:21] <mattbrejza> well mine says 111/66.8%/3.1%
[22:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you play that icaruscapture.mp3 into dl-fldigi you should see it appear on the map
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[22:21] <mattbrejza> the noise level is higher than the max6 but im not sure how easy they are to compare
[22:21] <Upu> I'll bring one home tomorrow mattbrejza
[22:22] <mattbrejza> ok thanks
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[22:28] <mfa298> Baldwinwill: what bit on the arduino is the NTX2 connected to ?
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[22:29] <Baldwinwill> 10
[22:29] <Baldwinwill> Here is my post in the google group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/v860HojwOqg
[22:29] <mfa298> I was just reading it
[22:29] <mfa298> so GPS module connected to the hardware serial port and then using software serial for the NTX2 - is that right ?
[22:30] <Baldwinwill> yeah
[22:30] <mfa298> although your code looks more like your reading the gps via software serial on pins 10&11
[22:31] <mfa298> software serial at 9600 is likely to fast to do over a radio link
[22:32] <mfa298> the standard approach is to connect the gps to the hardware serial port and then toggle a pin to send the rtty at 50/300/600 baud (starting at 50 is usually best)
[22:32] <Baldwinwill> I'm reading gps output via pin 10 then using pin 1 (tx) as the input to the transmitter
[22:32] <mfa298> the guide here takes you through connecting it up and the code to sent rtty http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[22:32] <daveake> You're filling in "datastring" then computing a CRC for "datastringchar"
[22:33] <daveake> Also not sure why you're mixing C++ strings and C string handling
[22:33] <Baldwinwill> datastringchar is data string just as a character array with the checksum included on the end
[22:33] <mfa298> Baldwinwill: I think that means you're using software serial to read the gps and then trying to use the hardware serial port to send rtty at 9600 baud which isn't going to work
[22:33] <daveake> and yes use h/w serial for the GPS
[22:34] <daveake> and bin s/w serial altogether - use the code in the wiki for the rtty send
[22:34] <LeoBodnar> you didn't rub out all coords mattbrejza ;)
[22:34] <Baldwinwill> ok
[22:34] <daveake> datastringchar isn't declared so it's a td difficult to help
[22:35] <mattbrejza> meh :P, noones house is secret due to payload testing anyway
[22:35] <mfa298> if you've got the ntx2 connected directly to the arduino with no resistor network the shift will be around 6KHz which is too high for any radio - you need the resistor network that's on that wiki page to make the shift more reasonable
[22:36] <Baldwinwill> How would you go about fixing this to actually work?
[22:36] <daveake> start with the wiki
[22:36] <daveake> and work up from there
[22:36] <Baldwinwill> ok
[22:36] <LeoBodnar> Does anybody have ICOM IC-756PROIII here?
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[22:40] <wd8mnv> i wish i had one
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[22:43] <bbjunkie> LeoBodnar yes I do
[22:44] <LeoBodnar> do you have anything good/bad to say about it? I have been offered one through the local club
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[22:53] <bbjunkie> cracking radio, but getting a bit dated - lots of newer stuff out there with better selectivity - if you dont do contesting then i'd guess you may not even notice. long story short, I like mine
[22:53] <bbjunkie> the panadapter is great
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[22:55] <LeoBodnar> thanks bbjunkie
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[23:36] <SP3OSJ> http://satelit.uniza.sk:8901/ 144.700MHz
[23:42] <SP3OSJ> and trackers for sale: http://www.ebay.pl/itm/Tracker-RTTY-Kit-/171185843998?#ht_57wt_1057
[23:42] <arko> is it just giving a carrier?
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[23:43] <arko> i dont see any modulation
[23:44] <arko> SP3OSJ:
[23:46] <SP3OSJ> RTTY 100bd/425/7n2
[23:51] <LeoBodnar> So you took Upu's code/design and selling it?
[23:54] <Laurenceb__> in b4 flames
[23:55] Nick change: BitEvil -> SpeedEvil
[23:55] <Laurenceb__> i like the pcb gps ant
[23:55] <LeoBodnar> out b4 it started lol
[23:55] <qyx_> apparently there are some progressive people at uniza
[23:56] <Laurenceb__> "progressive"?
[23:56] <Laurenceb__> what does that even mean
[23:57] <qyx_> eh, open to new ideas
[23:57] <qyx_> considering the attitude towards new technolgies in our schools
[23:58] <Laurenceb__> heh
[23:58] <Laurenceb__> see everyone uses that term to mean whatever they like
[23:58] <Laurenceb__> as i thought
[23:58] <qyx_> hip++;
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