highaltitude.log.20131130

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[00:09] <Broliv> night all
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[00:13] <SpeedEvil> http://hopsblog-hop.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/cartoon-delta-v-map.html - awesome
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[01:35] <Laurenceb_> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/NG80386DX25/807111-ND/397122
[01:35] <Laurenceb_> why does this exist
[01:36] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: Nobody mucks out the warehouse.
[01:36] <Laurenceb_> since the 80s ...
[01:36] <SpeedEvil> I do wonder if that is the remnants of a much higher stock quantity from 1994
[01:36] <Laurenceb_> http://homepage1.nifty.com/hfd01577/mymouse.html
[01:36] <Laurenceb_> wtf
[01:38] <SpeedEvil> I guess it's a reasonable embedded systems design project
[01:44] <Laurenceb_> police helicopter crashing?! never saw that one coming
[01:44] <Laurenceb_> /sarc
[01:48] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if lasers will be blamed.
[01:54] <Laurenceb_> i blame joy riders
[01:54] <Laurenceb_> no longer airborne ones
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[07:49] <WillTablet> Ham radio course today
[07:49] <WillTablet> I am slightly nervous
[07:53] <Reb-SM3ULC> Morrn!
[07:53] <WillTablet> Any offensive callsigns that I could get?
[07:53] <WillTablet> Morning
[07:53] <Reb-SM3ULC> offensive callsign? :)
[07:54] <G0HDI> Understandable!..I was before taking mine. But like the dentists, once your in the chair the nerves disappear, believe me. You'll be fine..
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[07:55] <WillTablet> :-)
[07:55] <WillTablet> Thanks
[07:57] <G0HDI> You have to get a grip of your imagination, that's the secret. Don't keep trying to think of what can go wrong. Possitive thinking. Go for it!
[07:57] <LeoBodnar> Good luck WillTablet !
[07:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> WillTablet: I was too. The examniner had travelled 200 km to exam me.. Didn't really want to disappoint..
[07:58] <LeoBodnar> In multiple choice if you don't know exact answer, eliminate the ones that are definitely wrong and make a guess from remaining ones
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[07:59] <LeoBodnar> Morning all
[08:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: morning, i saw b-32 was heard
[08:00] <LeoBodnar> Woohoo! It's over Africa
[08:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: or... is...
[08:01] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: Congratulations on reaching another continent!
[08:01] <G0HDI> That's it, you have to have a system. Whip through the obvious one first , then think about the the iffy ones. What you have left make a logical guess.
[08:01] <LeoBodnar> :D Thanks!
[08:02] <G0HDI> Don't work through them one at a time in order or you'll run out of it needlessly
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[08:11] <WillTablet> Thanks LeoBodnar
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[08:23] <DL1SGP1> morning all!
[08:24] <tjanos> Morning! Welcome to Africa! Congrats to spanish aprs people! Possible return to Sicily: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/160040_trj001.gif
[08:25] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
[08:25] <DL1SGP> yay africa!
[08:25] <LeoBodnar> morning Felix
[08:25] <DL1SGP> Hi Leo, how is life?
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[08:26] <tjanos> are there any award for fly to Africa?
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[08:29] Action: DL1SGP awards Mr Leo Bodnar the entirely virtual "African-Continent HAB"-Patch and hopes it will be worn with pride on the virtual HAB Mission Jacket
[08:29] <DL1SGP> there tjanos :)
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[08:31] <tjanos> Maybe, can put this text here: https://sites.google.com/site/mytempterulet/_/rsrc/1385484144153/home/b32launch.jpg
[08:32] <tjanos> This B-32 is a viable creature! Congrats Leo! Because it use Contestia mode?
[08:33] <LeoBodnar> no tjanos now it is only received through APRS network
[08:34] <LeoBodnar> :D
[08:44] <G0HDI> I'm seeing MOXA-11 near Oujda Morroco online aprs map. Is that another name for B-32?
[08:44] <DL1SGP> yes
[08:44] <DL1SGP> M0XER
[08:45] <G0HDI> Brilliant! thanks. Never thought of checking aprs map before..
[08:45] <DL1SGP> Callsign: M0XER and Suffix: 11 so if you wanna track on aprs.fi search for M0XER-11 :)
[08:45] <G0HDI> Ok
[08:46] <tjanos> B-32 is the "African-Continent HAB"-Patch Award winner: https://sites.google.com/site/mytempterulet/_/rsrc/1385800952655/home/b32launchafrica.png
[08:48] <DL1SGP> lol
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[08:50] <G0HDI> I understand it's not allowed to tx aprs over UK and France, but Spain onward ok.. Is that correct
[08:51] <DL1SGP> yeah, there are other countries where it is forbidden as well, so the payload ahs an embedded geofence to switch it on based on location
[08:52] <G0HDI> Cool!. Learning the ropes here....Gradually. Thanks.
[08:53] <DL1SGP> like that the payload represents an ISM Band appliance for areas where usage of airborne amateur radio is forbidden, and therefore is more the less licence exempt
[08:53] <G0HDI> Ok
[08:55] <DL1SGP> basically the use of APRS provides a fine backup for the situations in which we have no listener network to get data through the 70cm ISM downlink but APRS infrastructure is present. also it helped alot when one (B-28 I think) came down in the Netherlands as the APRS position was received to 41m above ground which made retrieving the balloon easier
[08:58] <G0HDI> Plan B hi....Good thinking!.
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[09:01] <PE2G> DL1SGP: Good Morning. Still, the balloon in question (B-26) was found 600 m NE from the last APRS fix at 47 m alt)
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[09:03] <DL1SGP> ah ok :) bedankt jou wel voor de clarification PE2G
[09:03] <PE2G> It must have floated for a while yet below APRS coverage.
[09:03] <DL1SGP> en goede morgen naar de nederlands
[09:05] <tjanos> Google picture from the ground: https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/small/16099493.jpg coordinats on google map: 34.681217,-1.910362
[09:06] <tjanos> https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/16099493.jpg
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[09:07] <x-f> goede morgen
[09:08] <x-f> first UKHAS balloon being tracked in another continent?
[09:08] <DL1SGP> hey x-f nice to read you, not sure if it is the first :)
[09:09] <x-f> hi, DL1SGP, at least first reported that i can remember
[09:10] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: one would have liked nasa to be able to produce preds via an xml-input.. for scriptinn..
[09:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: your fcd runs fine? :)
[09:12] <x-f> ah, looked at the aprs.fi, received using only Spanish APRS network
[09:12] <tjanos> now it inspects this pictures:
[09:13] <tjanos> https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/big/30470304.jpg
[09:13] <x-f> Reb-SM3ULC, yep, works on PC, need to figure out OS X software yet, need to build a HF antenna, but it works very fine
[09:14] <x-f> SdrDx has sooooo many buttons
[09:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: random wire is reat :)
[09:16] <LeoBodnar> x-f have you used MULTIPSK?
[09:17] <LeoBodnar> It's like an explosion in the buttons factory
[09:19] <x-f> i've seen screenshots of MULTIPSK, it has colorzzzz too
[09:20] <LeoBodnar> And different size fonts too. It just needs a marquee effect and a baby with a hammer
[09:20] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: multipsk... the inverse of usability design.. at least for humans...
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[09:22] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: just tried to decode weather-fax on 11038 with my little son.. no luck with tha mze in multipsk..
[09:23] <LeoBodnar> does fldigi work? or maybe even dl-fldigi?
[09:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: don't know how to enter 50/85.. but i'm newbie..
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[09:30] <tjanos> seems, it arrived to the HELL: https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/45840616.jpg 34.47826,-1.76136
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[09:30] <mikestir> Reb-SM3ULC: I've successfully decoded HF WX with fldigi
[09:41] <LeoBodnar> haha
[09:44] <arko> http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/11128673204/in/set-72157637213955175/lightbox/
[09:45] <arko> always a good idea to have a nice camera around
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[09:47] <LeoBodnar> cool pictures arko
[09:48] <arko> :)
[09:48] <arko> that park maybe the best place to launch a floater near my house
[09:48] <arko> its far enough away from the mountains to gain some altitude
[09:49] <arko> good times
[09:50] <arko> LeoBodnar: congrats on africa
[09:50] <LeoBodnar> cheers!
[09:51] <LeoBodnar> I have not realised you live so close to the mountains and you can see power lines everywhere!
[09:51] <arko> yep!
[09:51] <LeoBodnar> can you launch from the top (ish) of the mountain?
[09:51] <arko> los angeles is a terrible place for this stuff
[09:52] <arko> yes
[09:52] <arko> but its hard to get power up there
[09:52] <arko> next on my list is a nice battery
[09:52] <arko> i have the inverter
[09:52] <LeoBodnar> maybe that's the best plan?
[09:52] <arko> yeah, most horizon
[09:52] <arko> down side
[09:52] <arko> all the good mountains have radio towers on them
[09:52] <arko> so rf is just flooded
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[09:53] <arko> i'd be listening for a cricket in a rock concert
[09:53] <arko> mt. wilson is perfect
[09:53] <arko> except it has tons of radio/tv stations
[09:54] <LeoBodnar> oh, some civilisation
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[10:01] <tjanos> true line of sight from Katalan seeside to the B-32 in Africa: (Fresnel zone to 144 MHz)
[10:01] <tjanos> http://www.heywhatsthat.com/bin/profile-0904.cgi?src=profiler-0904&curvature=1&axes=1&greatcircle=1&metric=1&freq=144&refraction=&exaggeration=&pt0=36.421282,-5.097656,ff0000&pt1=34.107256,-1.889648,,9000
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[10:05] <tjanos> ground places visible from B-32: https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/18792233.jpg
[10:08] <LeoBodnar> tjanos: the only station repeating B-32 is http://aprs.fi/#!call=ED7YAF-3 and it is listed as "antenna HAAT 1561 m, gain 5 dBi omni"
[10:09] <tjanos> ok, this is better situation
[10:09] <tjanos> I will try it..
[10:11] <tjanos> shure, is better: http://www.heywhatsthat.com/bin/profile-0904.cgi?src=profiler-0904&curvature=1&axes=1&los=1&greatcircle=1&metric=1&freq=144&refraction=&exaggeration=&pt0=36.668419,-4.482422,ff0000,1500&pt1=33.870416,-1.757812,,9000
[10:14] <LeoBodnar> it helps to have a mountain nearby :)
[10:15] <tjanos> and a nice sea around
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[10:25] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar B-32 Are Morocco and Algeria new overflight countries for you?
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[10:25] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar I didn't see any actual overflight data for Andorra, but that's a hard one to fly over!
[10:25] <LeoBodnar> interesting link tjanos , it's dynamically generated image so can be put inside a script
[10:26] <LeoBodnar> G8APZ: yes, they are new, and Africa as a whole, I don't think I have reached that far South before
[10:28] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar Excellent! Tunisia and Libya may be difficult to track over, unless more trackers in Sardinai, and Southern Italy
[10:29] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar I'm sure once trackers in those areas track once, they will be hooked!
[10:30] <tjanos> or can start a ship following the B-xx flotta over the Adria
[10:30] <LeoBodnar> I hope so as well :D
[10:30] <G8APZ> tjanos It would have to be a fast ship to keep up with the floaters!!
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[10:31] <LeoBodnar> want! http://24.media.tumblr.com/31eb01f4bb02e3161d4cac91cd4432da/tumblr_mq02vbmStG1squrrzo1_1280.jpg
[10:31] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar A quick call to the Russian Navy Med fleet required!
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[10:36] <tjanos> is it exists this "Jurij Gagarin grund station"?
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[10:39] <G8APZ> Yes, this looks like "Kosmonaut Yuri Gagarin"
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[10:41] <Broliv> hey everyone
[10:45] <tjanos> if I remember well, there was problem at Phobos Grunt-time, that russian havenot ship with control facilities to satellites
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[10:56] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
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[10:58] <LeoBodnar> it has been scrapped sadly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmonaut_Yuri_Gagarin
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[11:04] <Broliv> could someone help get a flight document approved pls?
[11:06] <tweetBot> @Matt___Nott: Latest blog post on trying to put an X-ray telescope on a (amateur) high altitude balloon. http://t.co/VKXmJBb9uz #ukhas
[11:07] <LeoBodnar> Broliv: do "/join #habhub" and post there request with a doc number
[11:07] <Broliv> Hi Leo, i'm in there already :)
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[11:12] <Broliv> if anyone wants to help and track pls follow: RTSHAB1, 434.650 MHz, 50 baud, RTTY, USB, 7N2, 350 shift.
[11:12] <Broliv> :)
[11:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah TWO balloons on 434.650 ????
[11:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> at the same time ?
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[11:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Morning Guys
[11:16] <DL1SGP> Good morning Steve_G0TDJ
[11:16] <Broliv> i'm not sure how its gonna be work, but anyway we are at the different side of country :)
[11:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Felix!
[11:17] <Broliv> Morning Steve :)
[11:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not when you both up at 30Km!! Anyway good chance that they will drift to different freq's anyway ;-)
[11:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Broliv. I'm ready to track but it'll have to make it's way down south a bit :-)
[11:17] <DL1SGP> yeah same here :)
[11:17] <tjanos> Here beginning the real desert, where B-32 flyhing now: 33.838056 0.665278 https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/27803635.jpg
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[11:18] <Broliv> Yeah, we will see :)anyway, hopefully it will work :P
[11:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> What max alt are you expecting?
[11:19] <Broliv> Steve, we are expecting 32km :)
[11:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good oh
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[11:21] <Broliv> we are gonna launch it like in 30 mins,so hopefully, we will reach that alt :)
[11:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Chris
[11:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> The best of luck to you Broliv - Have a great flight
[11:22] <Broliv> thanks Steve!:)
[11:22] <DL1SGP> yeah good luck Broliv :)
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[11:23] <Broliv> Thanks Felix! :)
[11:23] <db_g6gzh> Broliv: you appear to be flying from my birth place (ish) to close to where I now live if the prediction is correct 8-)
[11:25] <db_g6gzh> Ah, prediction just changed!
[11:25] <Broliv> oh,well, then join us if you would like :))
[11:26] <mfa298> This could get interesting, looks like two launches today, both around 1200, both using 434.650.
[11:26] <db_g6gzh> I'll be tracking, so if you do end up near here I might do.
[11:27] Action: mfa298 spots that Geoff-G8DHE had already seen that.
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[11:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> 315° for Orion and 350° for RTSHAB so I'll aim at 335° and see them both with any luck ;-)
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[11:30] <mfa298> What license rules is B-32 going under for Africa, I thought TR61/01 mostly only covered europe (plus a few others like USA/ Australia) ?
[11:30] <bertrik> I hope the winds will be mostly to the east, looking forward to tracking it from the netherlands
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm might be pushing it with only 35° beamwidth ... lets see
[11:34] <eroomde> mfa298: TIA
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[11:37] <mfa298> TIA?
[11:38] <ibanezmatt13> Fired some IR at the logic analyser and got this: http://pbrd.co/1hoElM2 The IR receiver has 38KHz carrier freq but not sure about the remote. Will that have an effect?
[11:40] <ibanezmatt13> I want to code something that'll send that IR code. However, I can't be sure of the frequency.
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> The carrier is at a much higher frequency then the pulses see http://www.sbprojects.com/knowledge/ir/rc5.php
[11:42] <mfa298> the 38khz carrier may well come from the remote, with different amounts of on time for different signals
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[11:42] <ibanezmatt13> so say the remote wasn't at the same freq as the receiver. How would that effect the timing I put in my code?
[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you just turned the LED ON/Off it would be difficult to seperate it from say sunlight, by looking for 36/38kHz its much easier to detect
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> Typoical IR recievers basically notch out their design drequency strongly, to ignore other signals, and then amplify that, and compare with a reference.
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> They totally ignore DC
[11:43] <ibanezmatt13> right
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> And mostly ignore frequencies outside 20-30% of their nominal frequency
[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you don't have the carrier pretty close to the design one then it will be a lot less sensitive
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> As you deviate from 38khz, the response can drop a lot
[11:44] <ibanezmatt13> I see
[11:44] <mfa298> if you havn't already it might be worth looking up some stuff about manchester encoding (I'm not sure they all use it, but Geoff's link mentions it)
[11:44] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah I was reading about that earlier when I was looking up the RC6 protocol
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Manchester encoding is quite a simple but effective method, make some code up and add it to a library for the future
[11:47] <ibanezmatt13> so this remote I have which turns an LED strip on and off... Perhaps I should probe the actual receiver inside the LED strip controller instead of using this other receiver which might not be the same freq
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed look at the actual IR itself if possible or connect across the IR LED
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[11:48] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[11:48] <tjanos> the last visibility to B-32: http://www.heywhatsthat.com/bin/profile-0904.cgi?src=profiler-0904&curvature=1&axes=1&los=1&greatcircle=1&metric=1&freq=144&refraction=&exaggeration=&pt0=36.5626,-4.702148,ff0000,1500&pt1=33.824794,-0.670166,,9000
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Often the detection is done on a chip directly behind the IR detector so you may only see the Logic output and not the carrier
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> Usually.
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> For modules - the photodiode is in a shielded box - all that comes out is the demodulated signal
[11:50] <ibanezmatt13> I've taken it apart and I can see the IR feed going into the chip. I can just probe that I guess
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its screened for good reason, probing the detector may introduce extra noise
[11:51] <ibanezmatt13> ah. So that picture of the signal I captured... Even though the frequencies may have been different, won't the delays between the pulses be the same? Or at least, the same ratio
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> the signal levels are quite low, and any extra rf introduced can be a major problem, much better to go to the Tx end and look at the LED's
[11:51] Action: DL1SGP takes a look at the picture
[11:52] <ibanezmatt13> http://pbrd.co/1hoElM2
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> ibanezmatt13: Broadly, yes, the pulses won't be too distorted
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[11:53] <ibanezmatt13> so I could then write a little code to pulses the IR led on and off according to those pulse widths? And perhaps have a little scales factor in each delay so I can shift it a little if it doesn't work
[11:54] <mfa298> It looks like the Saleae Logic program also has a Mancester decoder in it's analyzers, so you might be able to get that to decode the binary values from the signal
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[11:54] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try it now
[11:54] <DL1SGP> signal indeed looks machester encoded
[11:54] <bbjunkie> having probs with fldigi - keeps telling me upload is disabled, any suggestions?
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> dl-fldigi or fldigi ?
[11:55] <mfa298> bbjunkie: assuming you started it in HAB mode it should have uploads enabled by default
[11:55] <DL1SGP> bbjunkie: you enabled upload by settings? have you made sure you are in HAB-Mode as well?
[11:55] <bbjunkie> dl-fldigi - hang on think i've got it
[11:55] <mfa298> There's an "online" option in the DL Client menu that should be ticked
[11:56] <bbjunkie> yes mfa298 it's ticked - still tells me upload disabled
[11:56] <mfa298> if it still doesn't upload you might need to enter callsign or DL-Client Location information
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[11:56] <bbjunkie> hmm.. odd, it tells me disabled then the next time says uploaded successfully
[11:56] <bbjunkie> i'll check see if it uploaded my location
[11:57] <bbjunkie> no, it didnt
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Needs to look like this http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/Capture.JPG
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> the Habitat section at least
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[11:58] <mfa298> and make sure you've for Lat/Log/Alt on the DL-Client->Location tab filled out
[11:58] <bbjunkie> yes Geoff-G8DHE it's like that
[11:58] <bbjunkie> yes Geoff-G8DHE i've got that set too
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Does it work now ?
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[11:58] <bbjunkie> no
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[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> When you ran it "C:\Program Files (x86)\Dl-Fldigi-3.21.50\dl-fldigi.exe" --hab
[11:59] <mfa298> you might want to look at Help->Event log as that might indicate if something is wrong
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> did you have the --hab on the end ?
[12:01] <bbjunkie> yes Geoff-G8DHE I had --hab on end
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[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> as mfa298 suggest have a look at the event log
[12:01] <bbjunkie> it looks like it turns off upload when I click dlclient -> online
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its a toggle
[12:02] <bbjunkie> ah
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> if you click it when its aticked then your turning it off
[12:02] <bbjunkie> ok
[12:02] Action: bbjunkie slaps himself
[12:02] <bbjunkie> still no sign of my station on spacenear.us though ?
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Learning curve !
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[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Might need to refresh snus
[12:03] <bbjunkie> forced a refresh with ctrl f5 still nothing
[12:03] <bbjunkie> shift f5 oops
[12:03] <mfa298> it may take a couple of minutes to get through any caching
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> you have filled in the Location tab under the DlClinet section ?
[12:04] <bbjunkie> yes, under stationary listener
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Where abouts should you be ?
[12:05] <mfa298> and also what name do you have set as your callsign?
[12:05] <bbjunkie> eastern shore of lough neagh in N.Ireland
[12:05] <bbjunkie> mfa298 - Mi0VAX
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yur on the map
[12:06] <mfa298> you're on my map
[12:06] <mfa298> and I think you've been there for a while
[12:06] <bbjunkie> ah great stuff
[12:06] <bbjunkie> perhaps my ISP is forcing caching
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> snus is a bit slow at the moment due to the Google change of API
[12:06] <mfa298> spacenear.us also has a bit of caching (but everyone should see the same data)
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> best to clear your local caches
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> as well
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah Orion is back up as well
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Were into ISH time
[12:07] <bbjunkie> ok using firefox now and I see my station
[12:08] <bbjunkie> hoping to get 1st live packets of Orion
[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> you in a good place for the early ones!
[12:09] <bbjunkie> was actually meant to be at the launch site helping Phil but had a few communication problems - aka 02's poor SMS network
[12:10] <Broliv> Ok guys ready for take off
[12:10] <Broliv> hanks for everyones help so far :)
[12:10] <Broliv> *thanks
[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Were listening, but it might be a while before we hear!
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[12:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Orion ground images coming in
[12:16] <bbjunkie> where?
[12:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ORION
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[12:17] <bbjunkie> ah didnt know he was planning SSDV on this flight
[12:17] <bbjunkie> excellent
[12:18] <G3ZGZ> Two flights around now - both listed as 434.650 - has one changed?
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope chances are they will drift a little in freq anyway
[12:19] <Broliv> hopefully
[12:19] <Broliv> i've lost signal though which is a worry
[12:19] <G3ZGZ> OOPS
[12:19] <Broliv> indeed
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> have you launched then ?
[12:20] <Broliv> yeah its in the air
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh not good
[12:20] <Broliv> was working fine up untill we let it go
[12:20] <db_g6gzh> got it
[12:20] <Broliv> we walked away from the car and when we got back the signal was scrambled
[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> KPI has it
[12:21] <Broliv> db_g6gzh is that RTSHAB you got?#
[12:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Telemetry on the map Broliv
[12:22] <Broliv> right thank the maker for that
[12:22] <Broliv> must be the antenna
[12:22] <db_g6gzh> Broliv: yes
[12:22] <db_g6gzh> first green
[12:22] <Broliv> *beaths a sigh of relief*
[12:23] <db_g6gzh> good signal
[12:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Going up fast
[12:23] <G3ZGZ> got it in Cleveleys
[12:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> What's the dial guys?
[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/RTSHAB_20131130/
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[12:24] <G3ZGZ> on 434.650
[12:24] <Broliv> RTSHAB1, 434.650 MHz, 50 baud, RTTY, USB, 7N2, 350 shift.
[12:25] <Broliv> finally im receiving telemetry :)
[12:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers, is it dead on G3ZGZ
[12:25] <G3ZGZ> as near as dam it
[12:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool... Listening
[12:25] <db_g6gzh> 370 shift
[12:26] <G3ZGZ> I'm listening on lsb on my radio though - have filter problems - shift abt 365
[12:26] <db_g6gzh> Steve_G0TDJ: I'd say it's a bit below .650 but my dial isn't accurate
[12:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK I'll have a scan about when I'm inside the blue db_g6gzh
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[12:35] <fsphil> launched
[12:35] <bbjunkie> looks like orion is up
[12:36] <bbjunkie> ah :)
[12:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looks like it from the SSDV images
[12:37] <mfa298> fsphil: saying launched is a bit of a clue as well :p
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[12:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Missed that!
[12:37] <mfa298> didn't need the : in there that time
[12:38] Action: mfa298 wonders which I'll hear first
[12:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Love the orion prediction
[12:38] <bbjunkie> hehe yeah pretty neat
[12:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> I reckon we have a Graphitti bot in the predictors ;-)
[12:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/Orion_20131130/
[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah you learn something every day
[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you have the w/f save enabled it saves every few seconds
[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> in dl-fldigi
[12:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> Saves what Geoff?
[12:45] <bbjunkie> hmm orion at 1037m and still no sign of it here
[12:45] <bbjunkie> -*
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[12:47] <GMT> freq for RTSHAB1 please?
[12:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.650
[12:47] <GMT> tx
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> an image of the w/f from dl-fldigi
[12:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> RTSHAB1, 434.650 MHz, 50 baud, RTTY, USB, 7N2, 370 shift.
[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Try my links above and keep refreshing them the w/f image remains updated all the time
[12:49] <G0HDI> Does RxID take care of all that automatically?
[12:50] <mfa298> Im not sure RXiD will work for balloons, but the dl-fldigi autoconfigure option should get it about right
[12:50] <bbjunkie> heard orion now
[12:50] <bbjunkie> on wrong flippin frequency!
[12:50] <G0HDI> Ok I'm auto configured
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[12:51] <bbjunkie> I should have been too
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> No neither of these are sending the RSID signal
[12:51] <db_g6gzh> G0HDI: so far I think only B-32 has sent the RSID
[12:51] <GMT> Steve_G0TDJ: can you hear RTSHAB? nothing heard here?
[12:51] <G0HDI> Oh!
[12:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, nothing here yet GMT
[12:51] <Broliv> i'm hearing,guys :)
[12:52] <GMT> okay, thanks for confirmation ...
[12:52] <bbjunkie> too much cloud Phil :(
[12:52] <bertrik> I see a pip about every second on 434.65, could that be a HAB?
[12:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Those last two images are great though
[12:53] <bbjunkie> no bertrik probably a wx station or something
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[12:54] <bertrik> bbjunkie: so, no "unusual" modes today? just continuous RTTY, right?
[12:54] <GMT> Steve_G0TDJ: rtshab1 now heard on 434.649
[12:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers, scanning. Probably needs a littl emore alt for here.
[12:55] <bbjunkie> Orion on 434.650.69
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[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> ASh bigger images now
[12:58] <bbjunkie> indeed, nice touch
[12:59] <fsphil> phew, interesting launch
[12:59] <fsphil> decided to get windy just as we started filing
[12:59] <fsphil> and the nmy internet failed
[12:59] <bbjunkie> hehe
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:59] <fsphil> also it's cold and I can't type :)
[12:59] <bbjunkie> good strong signal here phil
[12:59] <fsphil> yea still a lovely signal here
[12:59] <fsphil> fading a bit now
[12:59] <fsphil> must be windy up there
[12:59] <G0HDI> Feint waterfall tram lines here
[13:00] <bbjunkie> bigger resolution ones coming down now
[13:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup likewise
[13:00] <bbjunkie> only 1.7 degrees above my horizon at 64km
[13:00] <bbjunkie> 22dB s/n
[13:00] <es5nhc> Wow... nice images coming in... What transmission mode is used for ORION's images?
[13:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Standard SSDV RTTY
[13:01] <es5nhc> I mean which baudrate etc?
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> 300B
[13:02] <es5nhc> Aha, OK
[13:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> GMT: I have a very weak trace for RTSHAB on my W/F - Are there gaps between the telemetry?
[13:03] <bertrik> RTSHAB is coming in here now, too weak to decode still. It's right on top of the pip I reported earlier :|
[13:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> think so Im seeing odd gaps#
[13:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK It's faded again here though.
[13:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> beginning to decode
[13:04] <fsphil> faded a bit here
[13:05] <fsphil> there are gaps while it takes a picture, and get a gps fix
[13:05] <Broliv> the signal is weak, i cannt hear
[13:05] <fsphil> right, I'm heading home
[13:05] <fsphil> brb
[13:05] <bertrik> what shift are you using for RTSHAB, it seems a bit smaller than the 350 Hz autoconfig value
[13:06] <bbjunkie> caught runtime error: hab unmanageable error ?
[13:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> I currently have a 325Hz shift for this weak signal bertrik
[13:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Partials
[13:07] <Broliv> the shift is 340
[13:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> $l$$rTHB1<59,330657,43.17882(7835?0128881,37#,90l96,6,0'lj=BE
[13:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Broliv: I'm set to 325Hz Red lines are in the middle of RTTY
[13:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> $RTSHAB1,60,3055b,mX.788240,131060:33[, 94,96l6,0047,*299D
[13:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> QSB
[13:10] <bbjunkie> fsphil - time to ask the irish caa for clearance to enter their airspace :oP
[13:11] <es5nhc> This SSDV thing is actually pretty interesting
[13:12] <gonzo___> just found rtshab whilst tunung up to listen for yours phil
[13:12] <gonzo___> didn't know it was planned
[13:12] <G0HDI> How do I reduce the shift from 350 to 340 in dl-fldigi?
[13:12] <gonzo___> (not reading the mail group that cloise these days)
[13:12] <gonzo___> 320Hz here
[13:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> So close: $$$$RTSHAB1,614,131"11,53.079071,-0.791290,1s9VX-398,192,87,74033,*9F68
[13:13] <bertrik> getting close here too :)
[13:13] <gonzo___> configure>modems>rtty
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> right click RTTY in lower left corner
[13:13] <gonzo___> and se;lect the shift as custom and tweak the valye
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> then dropdown custom and chnge the slider to wgatever
[13:13] <gonzo___> don't forget to save the change
[13:14] <Broliv> $$$$L|SHABx,618,13132@,53.059441,uV8S0,27R,198,87,74004,*92Lx}qk@
[13:14] <gonzo___> ah, never knew you could get at it that way geoff!
[13:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> RTSHAB Shifting up in freq
[13:14] <G0HDI> Got you..Thanks!
[13:18] <G0HDI> Whooooo!. Just got a green!
[13:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well done :-)
[13:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Still not quite there yet. How you doing bertrik?
[13:20] <eroomde> first of many, hopefully!
[13:20] <bbjunkie> got an odd signal coming up at 300hz fsphil
[13:21] <PE2G> First RTSHAB 1 greens at -0.5, 508 km
[13:22] <G0HDI> I've got SSDV RX box up. Is there any configuring I have do do or is it automatic
[13:22] <number10> thats pretty good PE2G
[13:22] <bbjunkie> https://dyp.im/iN6kar4bR9 <-- strange signal appearing on ORION downlink
[13:23] <gonzo___> and spacenear is back. excellenty
[13:23] <PE2G> number10: Thanks to a quiet band and a good signal :)
[13:23] <gonzo___> anf the streetview is avail on it. that is usefull
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[13:24] <bertrik> Steve_G0TDJ: close, no greens yet, only had a few decodes that missed just 1 character
[13:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> Exactly the same here.
[13:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> There we go, first green :-)
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[13:25] <M0CJM_Neil> \clear
[13:25] <mfa298> G0HDI: when it sees an SSDV packet it should decode it automatically, although you'll need to wait for ORION to come in range for that
[13:25] <bertrik> it can be so frustrating to see a near complete sentence go wrong in the last few characters ... :(
[13:25] <mfa298> bertrik: I seem to be having the same issue,
[13:25] <G0HDI> Cosmic!
[13:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, I keep mentioning that FLDigi could probably correct for some of it.
[13:26] <M0CJM_Neil> Hi all
[13:26] <G0HDI> Hi!
[13:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Neil :-)
[13:26] <M0CJM_Neil> Whats RTSHAB1 TXing on?
[13:26] <bertrik> first green! \o/
[13:26] <M0CJM_Neil> Hi Steve
[13:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.649
[13:26] <g0hww> which HAB is txing SSDV?
[13:26] <bertrik> ooh, sudden drop in freq
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[13:26] <bbjunkie> g0hww orion is
[13:27] <bbjunkie> g0hww http://ssdv.habhub.org/ORION
[13:27] <M0CJM_Neil> Cheers nice loud signal here
[13:27] <g0hww> bbjunkie, thanks
[13:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes its jumping about thank god for FAC
[13:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> AFC
[13:27] <gonzo___> nice pics
[13:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> My AFC can't cope with that
[13:28] <M0CJM_Neil> How are you Steve_G0TDJ anyway?
[13:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mine adjusts the rig :-)
[13:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm good Neil Thanks. You?
[13:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> Neat Geoff
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[13:29] <bbjunkie> quite bad QSB now on Orion
[13:29] <bbjunkie> still only 66km away so guess its local
[13:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sloid greens here now Broliv bertrik
[13:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> solid even
[13:31] <M0CJM_Neil> Yeah fine thaks Steve_G0TDJ! Looking forward to some tracking this afternoon!
[13:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool M0CJM_Neil RTSHAB1 is a fair way up now.
[13:31] <M0CJM_Neil> Anyone know the next good funcube-1 UK pass?
[13:32] <bbjunkie> orion just drifted 1khz
[13:32] <Broliv> i lost signal, but sometimes,it appears =/
[13:32] <bbjunkie> dial now 434.651.19
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> 21:37 is a high pass tonight
[13:33] <bbjunkie> M0CJM_Neil funcube.org.uk has a tracking app on their page
[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> 76.7°
[13:33] <M0CJM_Neil> bbjunkie Just trying to find it
[13:33] <eroomde> is this the first ssdv pico?
[13:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> M0CJM_Neil: You can go to: http://www.n2yo.com/passes/?s=39417 and click on All passes
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could be didn't realise it was Pico, other than slow ascent
[13:34] <M0CJM_Neil> Steve_G0TDJ Thankyou
[13:35] <M0CJM_Neil> ahh cool, 21:37 as you say, will defo give it a shot
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[13:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Andy :-)
[13:37] <Andrew_M6GTG> Afternoon Steve
[13:37] <mattbrejza> Upu: around?
[13:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Broliv, Whats the burst prediction height ?
[13:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Andrew_M6GTG: Got the stencil file sorted out for VAYU-NTX today.
[13:38] <Broliv> 32 km, hopefully
[13:38] <DL1SGP> looks like PSYSY is on a string or attached to a kite for testing :)
[13:39] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: Cool, another set of boards soon then? ;-)
[13:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, I've ordered 10x of the revision boards.
[13:40] <eroomde> Steve_G0TDJ: that's good news, do you know when they're likely to arrive?
[13:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll have to get some of the expansion boards made up next. - Boards and stencil are a good 4 weeks away I'd say.
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> fsphil, Whats the battery life predicted to be Phil ?
[13:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Gotta pop out for 10mins guys - bbs!
[13:46] <G0HDI> Have you got any images yet Geoff. I've got very strong rtty but no images yet
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> The images are only from Orion, and its not in range yet, you will need to click on View|SSDV for a local view and also if you want to save images set that up to a directoru and enable
[13:50] <G0HDI> Oh Orion!. Mudder Farder, kindly disregard this letter..
[13:50] <G0HDI> Got you!
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its bad enough learning the ropes when there is just one about let alone when several srtat appearing!
[13:51] <G0HDI> I'm getting there sloooooowly hi.
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think it will be an hour or so before Orion appears at the current rate assuming it does float ..
[13:51] <G0HDI> Ok
[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oops its drifting again
[13:53] <mfa298> wow, looks like there have been 40 different callsigns receiving this one so far and a few of the regulars are missing from that last as well!
[13:55] Nick change: darkstar-20011 -> darkstar-2001
[13:55] <bbjunkie> orion drifting too 454.651.7 now - it jumped up a bit then back down
[13:55] <G0HDI> Can't seem to see how to set up 'save pics to file' Geoff. Sorry to be a pain!.
[13:56] <bbjunkie> G3ZGZ Congrats
[13:56] <bbjunkie> we now have 3 receiving stations
[13:56] <es5nhc> Just me or spacenear.us is missing a decimal on RTSHAB1? I have hard time believing that its battery is nearly 4 kilovolts!
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[13:56] <g0hww> G0HDI, "DL Client"->"Configure" menu
[13:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> afternoon all
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sry on phone
[13:57] <bbjunkie> hi Tom
[13:57] <G0HDI> Got it now Ta!
[13:57] <M0CJM_Neil> bbjunkie Once its down my way will retune to try and decode some data for you :-)
[13:57] <mfa298> es5nhc: good spot! someone probably missed a filter on that (people often send a raw value that needs some post processing before display which might have been missed this time)
[13:58] <M0CJM_Neil> es5nhc Its amazing what voltage you can get out of 2 AA battery these days :-)
[13:58] <es5nhc> Either that or the telemetry itself has a quirk... because last one I see as of 1358 is still 3.84 kV(3840V)õ
[13:58] <es5nhc> LOL :D
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[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its going to get its own back for the burn of arko lines when he hit a pylon earlier in week
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/11120307725/
[14:02] <db_g6gzh> If it really is kV I'm glad the predicted landing has moved further away from me 8-)
[14:02] <LeoBodnar> zap the power line with higher voltage!
[14:03] <LeoBodnar> fightback
[14:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> We need that on Orion then we will have pictures as well
[14:03] <eroomde> if you live underneath Orion you might be living in ones of the Shercock Homes
[14:03] <DL1SGP> use the energy to transmit at higher power
[14:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> es5nhc: are You using 4CX1000 in Your Power amplifier ;-) ?
[14:05] <es5nhc> Nah, just monitoring via spacenear.us tracker
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[14:05] <DL1SGP> Good afternoon SP9UOB-Tom
[14:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL1SGP: hello :-)
[14:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> wait... i have photo of old German radiosonde based on vacuum - tube
[14:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/923238_670154373010328_1522571938_n.jpg
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[14:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/600669_670154386343660_1579469695_n.jpg
[14:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576677_670154433010322_354555694_n.jpg
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[14:09] <bertrik> wow, nice
[14:09] Nick change: crash_18974__ -> crash_18974
[14:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/580327_670154313010334_50860136_n.jpg
[14:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/581658_670154356343663_564682147_n.jpg
[14:09] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: about 24 hours
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Are some night shots then ;-)
[14:09] <fsphil> hoping so
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> sunset could be good
[14:10] <fsphil> it's programmed to take slightly longer exposures after sunset
[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> no solar cells ?
[14:10] <fsphil> nah
[14:10] <bbjunkie> orion drifted again 434.652.2
[14:10] <fsphil> yea my radio retuned a few times on the drive home
[14:11] <fsphil> living up to prediction so far
[14:11] <bbjunkie> ah didnt realise you were home already!
[14:11] <fsphil> yea just back :)
[14:11] <bbjunkie> wb :)
[14:11] <bbjunkie> got a bit weaker now even though its not much further away
[14:11] <fsphil> man this ascent rate is so slow :)
[14:12] <bbjunkie> indeed, see where its predicted to be at 6pm? heh just making the coast of Wales
[14:12] <bbjunkie> this is going to be a long flight
[14:12] <fsphil> it's already outlived Storm
[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> what height float did you expect ?
[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> did/do
[14:13] <fsphil> 40km-ish
[14:13] <fsphil> although sunset may happen before it gets there
[14:13] <fsphil> so possibly lower
[14:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh so its not a Pico ?
[14:13] <LeoBodnar> floating SSDV yay!
[14:13] <fsphil> oh no, this is a proper balloon :)
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[14:14] <fsphil> lots of cloud
[14:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> all: can someone approve lfight doc quickly ?
[14:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> what details then balloon lift etc.?
[14:14] <fsphil> 1600g balloon, helium, aimed for 1.5m/s ascent
[14:14] <LeoBodnar> fsphil: is this RPi based?
[14:15] <fsphil> the payload's about 275g all in
[14:15] <fsphil> LeoBodnar: yep
[14:15] <fsphil> first time I've used a Pi
[14:15] <LeoBodnar> I'd be very curious to see if there is any helium migration through the skin if it does not burst
[14:15] <bbjunkie> almost lost the signal now phil
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[14:15] <DL1SGP> fsphil: it is really great that you were able to launch :)
[14:16] <fsphil> only a month late DL1SGP ;)
[14:16] <LeoBodnar> It has been a long wait :)
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[14:16] <Laurenceb_> B-32 went out of APRS range?
[14:17] <Laurenceb_> impressive to get it in Algeria
[14:17] <LeoBodnar> Yeah there was only one digipeater in Spain getting it.
[14:17] <LeoBodnar> But it had 1500m antenna height
[14:18] <LeoBodnar> Near Gibraltar
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[14:19] <LeoBodnar> How long the batteries will last fsphil ?
[14:20] <fsphil> about 24 hours LeoBodnar
[14:20] <fsphil> should last till midday tomorrow
[14:20] <LeoBodnar> cool, I'd love to see sunrise pics
[14:20] <LeoBodnar> and starry night
[14:20] <Laurenceb_> wow
[14:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-32_20131128/B-32_201311301420.jpg
[14:21] <es5nhc> I'd doubt the sky would be very starry
[14:21] <Laurenceb_> i see on aprs
[14:21] <Laurenceb_> massive range
[14:21] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: whats the battery voltage?
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[14:21] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: http://www.heywhatsthat.com/bin/profile-0904.cgi?src=profiler-0904&curvature=1&axes=1&los=1&greatcircle=1&metric=1&freq=144&refraction=&exaggeration=&pt0=36.668419,-4.482422,ff0000,1500&pt1=33.8355,-0.6825,,9600
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Google Earth has stars in view ;-)
[14:22] <Laurenceb_> neat
[14:22] <LeoBodnar> Sadly it's not flat
[14:22] <es5nhc> I'd imagine the balloon would not be still, and with longer exposures all you get is motion blur?
[14:22] <LeoBodnar> 3.9v and charging at the last tx
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> RTSHAB must be coming up on burst ?
[14:23] <DL1SGP> current freq of RTSHAB anyone?
[14:23] <Laurenceb_> neat
[14:23] <fsphil> I hope it does manage to resolve some stars. But I doubt it, the camera angle seem to be not showing much sky
[14:23] <Broliv> yeap
[14:23] <Laurenceb_> if the battery lasts we might get it again this evening?
[14:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.648.86
[14:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434648865 for 1000Hz
[14:23] <DL1SGP> thanks Steve and Geoff
[14:23] <LeoBodnar> Would pulse shaping help RTTY or just reduce total TX power?
[14:23] <LeoBodnar> With 450Hz shift and 50 baud probably not
[14:24] <fsphil> oh, frequency clash?
[14:24] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[14:24] <Laurenceb_> its just going to reduce spurs
[14:24] <eroomde> it would reduce bandwidth
[14:24] <eroomde> but we'rwe not really bandwidth cionstrained
[14:25] <eroomde> we're power constrainedf
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[14:25] <eroomde> and typing accurately constrained
[14:25] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: it should come back out over Italy tomorrow morning http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-32/NOAA.gif
[14:25] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[14:25] <Laurenceb_> RTSHAB1 getting high
[14:25] <Laurenceb_> can Hysplit give the local air temperature out?
[14:26] <bbjunkie> Orion 434.652.703 now
[14:26] <fsphil> RTSHAB1 going for a float?
[14:26] <Broliv> still waiting for burst :)
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> arg im going to get no work done today
[14:26] <LeoBodnar> spurs typically fall within hight/low filters BW anyway so total detection energy will reduce slightly
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> i just remebered
[14:26] <fsphil> phew, we're a fe khz away from eachother
[14:26] <bbjunkie> convenient they are drifting opposite directions :)
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> i worked out that you might be able to keep it hot
[14:26] <M0CJM_Neil> RTSHAB suddenly disappeared on me
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[14:26] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: yes it can, -48C
[14:26] <M0CJM_Neil> Has she bue#rst?
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> but it gets complex choosing the insulation
[14:26] <M0CJM_Neil> burst?
[14:27] <Broliv> 34931 m
[14:27] <Broliv> 35016 :)
[14:27] <fsphil> nice!
[14:27] <es5nhc> Still rising
[14:27] <eroomde> jcoxon once flew a morse beacon in addition to rtty, the morse beacon had an crystal that was made of cheese, it was marching up and down by many kHz throughout the flight
[14:27] <eroomde> including smashing through the rtty a few times
[14:27] <M0CJM_Neil> Cool, she just suddenly disappeared on me
[14:28] <LeoBodnar> yeah, I am trying to figure out light good insulation design (that does not use aerogel)
[14:28] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: i was looking at 3cm thick aerogel
[14:28] <Laurenceb_> then 3ml of water/antifreeze
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> RTSHAB almost seems to be floating as well!
[14:28] <LeoBodnar> Did you grab it and run away?
[14:28] <Laurenceb_> for the heat
[14:28] <Laurenceb_> but i need to work this out properly...
[14:28] <Laurenceb_> it looked feasible
[14:28] <eroomde> a super-pressure alumised mylar sachet for the payload
[14:28] <Laurenceb_> lol
[14:29] <eroomde> you get still air and you get radiation from the pcb reflected back
[14:29] <Laurenceb_> adds about 7grams mass
[14:29] <Broliv> 36 km :)
[14:29] <LeoBodnar> does aerogel pass through IR?
[14:29] <Laurenceb_> good question :P
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[14:29] <Laurenceb_> i have a canister of fumed silica
[14:29] <Laurenceb_> 4grams/litre
[14:29] <LeoBodnar> It seems pretty transparent
[14:30] <LeoBodnar> in visual range if not blueish
[14:30] <Laurenceb_> yeah, fumed silica is less transparent
[14:30] <G8APZ> RTSHAB1 was still loud here until a moment ago seemed to be ascending still according to telem
[14:30] <LeoBodnar> Well that might be a telltale it starts absorbing at the red end
[14:30] <G8APZ> oh it's back again
[14:30] <G8APZ> 36066
[14:31] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: as i said this is complex...
[14:31] <PE2G> burst
[14:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> There it goes!
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[14:31] <G8APZ> 34650
[14:31] <LeoBodnar> If it's complex it needs to be flown and looked at
[14:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Plummeting
[14:32] <G8APZ> 31824
[14:32] <M0CJM_Neil> Yep on her way down!
[14:32] <G8APZ> 29644
[14:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Fantastic Alt Broliv - Well done
[14:32] <DL1SGP> sighs it could have waited with its burst for another 15 minutes
[14:32] <M0CJM_Neil> Steve_G0TDJ Think the prediction is to land in your back garden again :-)
[14:33] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: air temp http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/163568_trj001.gif
[14:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> http://www.buyaerogel.com/product/spaceloft/
[14:33] <Broliv> ))))
[14:33] <es5nhc> 3948V according to spacenear.us tracker btw
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> heh kelvin
[14:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> Unfortunately not that close and I have no transport available just now
[14:33] <es5nhc> IRL probably 3.948
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> very cold :-/
[14:34] <G8APZ> 26039
[14:34] <G8APZ> 25178
[14:34] <G8APZ> 24409
[14:34] <LeoBodnar> can aerogel be machined?
[14:34] <G8APZ> 23712
[14:35] <G8APZ> when does the chute start to work?
[14:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> fsphil: You have soe spectacular cloud images there.
[14:35] <fsphil> lodsa cloud
[14:35] <fsphil> hoping it clears a bit
[14:35] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: that stuff is blanket
[14:35] <G8APZ> 22446
[14:35] <Laurenceb_> how big is the PCB?
[14:35] <LeoBodnar> they also sell bloacks
[14:35] <G8APZ> 21856
[14:36] <G8APZ> 21320
[14:36] <G8APZ> 20779
[14:36] <LeoBodnar> 11x65 and about 8mm thick
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[14:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Landng predicted just outside Lakenheath :-)
[14:37] <LeoBodnar> I can machine t on that little CNC toy you have looked at sometime ago
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Another one heading for a rest at Center Parc's ?
[14:38] <LeoBodnar> Maybe wrap in aluminised balloon foil and stick inside aerogel cylinder?
[14:38] <G8APZ> 17223,
[14:39] <G8APZ> 16865
[14:39] <G8APZ> still dropping fast!!!
[14:39] <gonzo___> I recon rtsham will be down out of my range before orion comes up over my horison, well planned
[14:39] <G8APZ> 16522
[14:39] <fsphil> lol
[14:39] <fsphil> yes... that was the plan, ALL ALONG
[14:39] <G8APZ> yeah right!!
[14:40] <Broliv> ahahaha))yup
[14:40] <Broliv> as i told ya before :)
[14:40] Action: DL1SGP waits for orion :)
[14:40] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: ok so 2cm thick "spaceloft" blanket wrap +3ml water/antifreeze would work
[14:41] <Laurenceb_> delta T of 30C for 12 hours
[14:41] <Laurenceb_> and 9 grams mass
[14:41] <G8APZ> Orion is known for appearing above the horizon for a while, and then disappearing until next year!!
[14:41] <G8APZ> 14280
[14:42] <G8APZ> 13990
[14:42] <bertrik> Broliv: does RTSHAB it have cameras onboard or other stuff like that?
[14:42] <LeoBodnar> antifreeze just to increase thermal inertia?
[14:42] <es5nhc> OTOH... overnight images from Orion probably come in a little quicker because barring images full of noise, the images would have less detailed stuff so the jpegs would be smaller too
[14:43] <Broliv> yeah, just one camera on board
[14:43] <fsphil> it should so lights from towns and cities
[14:43] <fsphil> show*
[14:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Broliv: Are you going to go for recovery?
[14:44] <LeoBodnar> variable length encoding. ==1 means it's pitch black
[14:44] <Broliv> yeah, we are on the way :) if you would like just join us ;)
[14:44] <G8APZ> 11721
[14:44] <es5nhc> Good luck!
[14:45] <G8APZ> 11481
[14:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> Broliv: I'd be hapy to if I drove :-)
[14:45] <LeoBodnar> do you have Yagi Broliv ?
[14:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, hope you recover successfully Broliv
[14:45] <Broliv> hopefully, thanks :)
[14:46] <Broliv> yes,i have
[14:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> You have lots of local rx stations so you should have a pretty good fix
[14:46] <LeoBodnar> cool! good luck with recovery
[14:46] <Broliv> cheers :)
[14:46] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: antifree so it freezes at -25C or so
[14:47] <Laurenceb_> or whatever you want as equilibrium temperature
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[14:47] <Laurenceb_> -25 seems sane
[14:47] <Laurenceb_> so air can be -55C all night
[14:47] <Martin_G4FUI> Like London Buses - you wait ages for a balloon to track, then two come along at once! http://i.imgur.com/Zuxd0xF.jpg
[14:48] <LeoBodnar> Does antifreeze have high latent heat of fusion?
[14:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Great pic Martin
[14:48] <Laurenceb_> no, lower
[14:49] <Laurenceb_> but water freezing at 0C would lose too much energy
[14:49] <Martin_G4FUI> Tnx Steve, but not as good as the last SSDV pic from ORION!
[14:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> There's some really good ones
[14:50] <LeoBodnar> lose energy? would it not stay at 0C longer, perhaps long enough for 12 hours?
[14:50] <Martin_G4FUI> Yep, SpeckTacklR!
[14:51] <G8APZ> 7136
[14:52] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: nope
[14:52] <G8APZ> 6765
[14:52] <Laurenceb_> it wouldnt last as long as with antifreeze in
[14:52] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[14:52] <Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel
[14:52] <Laurenceb_> im thinking maybe existing design with transparent aerogel glued to the sides
[14:52] <Laurenceb_> so solar heating works well during the day
[14:54] <Laurenceb_> and some of this
[14:54] <Laurenceb_> http://www.omegawindowfilms.co.uk/energy-saving-low-e-heavy-grade-window-film.html?gclid=CJuwguzhjLsCFW_JtAodoioAPQ
[14:54] <Laurenceb_> for a hardcore thermal control system :D
[14:54] <fsphil> GPU temperature is down to -5C
[14:55] <M0CJM_Neil> Is Orion on 434.650?
[14:56] <fsphil> somewhere near that
[14:56] <fsphil> my radio is saying 434.652 USB
[14:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Broliv, Say Hi to my Mum if you go through Huntingdon :-)
[14:57] <M0CJM_Neil> fsphil OK, just suprised so close to RTSHAB
[14:57] <fsphil> yea I didn't know there was another flight today on 434.650
[14:57] <M0CJM_Neil> No worries gonna give it a shot now but only just inside blue circle
[14:58] <LeoBodnar> what did you calculate the thermal flux to be?
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> 40mW
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> some from the electronics, mostly from the 3ml water/antifreeze
[14:59] <PE2G> fsphil: Do you expect Orion to level off at some alt?
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> 6 grams of water will stay at 0C for 14 hours
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> thats heavy
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> going through full thaw
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> also you have to keep it that hot during the day
[15:01] <G8APZ> Hearing RTSHAB1 weakly but not decoding - Orion now in range....
[15:02] <fsphil> PE2G: yes, about 40km'ish maybe
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> http://www.buyaerogel.com/product/hydrophobic-silica-disc/
[15:02] <LeoBodnar> Actually I use 700mWh battery it can afford to heat itself
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> exisitng design wrapped in 2cm of that stuff
[15:02] <Laurenceb_> no water...
[15:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> orion to burst above sea?
[15:03] <PE2G> fsphil: OK, would be great :)
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> no that wouldnt work
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> so esiting design with a water/antifreeze filled condom
[15:03] <LeoBodnar> Infuse aerogel with Hydrogen and let it go :)
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> then whole thing wrapped in low E film
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> haha
[15:03] <DL1SGP> fsphil: are you using a piCam with IR-Filter present or some No-IR version?
[15:03] <fsphil> DL1SGP: regular version this time
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> then hyrophobic aerogel glued to the outside
[15:04] <DL1SGP> ah :) thanks
[15:04] <fsphil> I've got a noir to fly at some point
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> i would worry about it boiling udring the day..
[15:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> fsphil: noir?
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> that would get _lots_ of solar gain
[15:05] <fsphil> No-infrared
[15:05] <fsphil> *filter
[15:05] <Laurenceb_> you might need to test it and adjust the use of regular reflective film
[15:05] <DL1SGP> Steve_G0TDJ: the NO-IR PiCams are hacked and have no thin IR-Block filter in them which enhances nightvision / low light capabilities
[15:05] <G8APZ> Orion NOT quite in range... expecting it soon!
[15:05] <Laurenceb_> on the outside to reduce solar gain
[15:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, gotcha :-)
[15:05] <fsphil> it should be slightly more sensitive in low light conditions
[15:05] <fsphil> but the colours will be all wrong
[15:06] <fsphil> the pictures would look like they where of Mars
[15:06] <LeoBodnar> Is E film one-way only?
[15:06] <Laurenceb_> yes
[15:06] <Laurenceb_> aiui
[15:07] <Laurenceb_> solar goes in, IR blocked
[15:07] <LeoBodnar> cool
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> no, hot
[15:08] <LeoBodnar> lol
[15:08] <DL1SGP> lol
[15:08] <es5nhc> Guess The Eagle... err... RTSHAB1 has landed...
[15:10] <M0CJM_Neil> Think I have a very feint trace on the waterfall of Oro#ion
[15:10] <G8APZ> es5nhc looks like it
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[15:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> M0CJM_Neil: Whats that on your dial?
[15:11] <LeoBodnar> Does antifreeze bring the mix phase change temperature lower without affecting latent heat figures?
[15:11] <M0CJM_Neil> 434.652.95
[15:11] <LeoBodnar> So water does its thing but at lower T?
[15:12] <M0CJM_Neil> no decodes yet though
[15:12] <es5nhc> Tracker showing vehicle RTS_Chase_chase heading towards east on A47... is that the recovery team?
[15:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers Neil. I'll keep watch. Needs to be a bit higher for me.
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[15:12] <es5nhc> *recovery
[15:12] <LeoBodnar> Full frames, no missing packets, beautiful images
[15:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes es5nhc - En route now
[15:13] <es5nhc> You know... this SSDV thing is great. I think there aren't many digital SSTV modes out there
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[15:14] <db_g6gzh> I think I can just see a faint trace of RTSHAB on the waterfall so it's probably still TXing
[15:14] <gonzo___> anyone have a reasonably accurate dual freq for ORION?
[15:14] <fsphil> 434.652
[15:14] <gonzo___> ta
[15:15] <Laurenceb_> <LeoBodnar> antifreeze can bring temperature down to -25C with only a 20% or so reduction in latent heat
[15:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Waiting for Orion to get into range here fsphil
[15:15] <Laurenceb_> but about half the heat flux being lost
[15:15] <Laurenceb_> so its a net gain
[15:15] <G0HDI> I've got very feint trace on 434.653
[15:15] <db_g6gzh> I might go for a drive out that way but I don't have any portable SSB Rx so won't be able to upload ant position data
[15:16] <fsphil> there might be hints of a coastline in that last image
[15:16] <db_g6gzh> hopefully might meet the recovery team
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[15:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: When I went to recover VAYU1 I just used an FM handie.
[15:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Afternoon Dave & G0AZS
[15:18] <db_g6gzh> Steve_G0TDJ: nothing portable, but FM in the car
[15:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> At least you may hear it when close
[15:19] <db_g6gzh> yeah, it's not too far so worth a drive, will be G6GZH-9 on APRS
[15:20] <M0CJM_Neil> Dont need to ammend the fldigi document for Orion do I? Just decoding rubbish at the moment
[15:20] <Laurenceb_> http://www.aerogel.com/products/pdf/Spaceloft_DS.pdf
[15:20] <fsphil> select Orion from the payload list and hit autoconfigure M0CJM_Neil
[15:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool
[15:20] <g0azs> Good afternoon Steve G0TDJ de Marc G0AZS
[15:20] <fsphil> the image data will appear as gibberish
[15:20] <daveake> afternoon dial freq for Orion?
[15:21] <daveake> I'm probably too far away atm
[15:21] <fsphil> 'owdy daveake,434.652
[15:21] <daveake> ta
[15:21] <M0CJM_Neil> 434.652.95
[15:21] <es5nhc> Was just trying out dl-fldigi... it shows a notification BTW if it detects it just received an image packet
[15:21] <es5nhc> FWIW
[15:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> set the receive filter bandwidth much higher for SSDV till the lines nearly touch in the center
[15:22] <Laurenceb_> http://www.aerogel.com/Aspen_Aerogels_Spaceloft.pdf
[15:22] <Laurenceb_> page 6
[15:22] <Laurenceb_> its going to drop at low temperature
[15:23] <LeoBodnar> hmmm
[15:24] <Laurenceb_> but id worry about it getting too cold during the day
[15:24] <Laurenceb_> hence why i was thinking of regular aerogel
[15:24] <Laurenceb_> anyway it def looks doable to keep the payload warm,
[15:25] <Laurenceb_> the materials exist :P
[15:25] <LeoBodnar> Can you get this stuff in the UK?
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[15:25] <fsphil> nice curved ascent chart for orion
[15:26] <daveake> nice pix fsphil
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> seems you can order off that "buyaerogel" site
[15:26] <daveake> I see you've done the "small pix at low alt" thing :)
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> heh, 4cm of it will bring any wall up to UK building regs U valve
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> going use it for cavity fill
[15:26] <fsphil> great idea that
[15:27] <daveake> If Orion does burst I should stay put here :p
[15:27] <Laurenceb_> and itd be better than new build
[15:27] <fsphil> it may yet burst
[15:27] <fsphil> the ascent is speeding up
[15:27] <daveake> ok
[15:28] <fsphil> you still op north?
[15:28] <daveake> see map
[15:28] <daveake> I'm on it
[15:28] <daveake> but yes
[15:28] <fsphil> aah ha
[15:28] <daveake> Somewhere near Sheffield
[15:28] <fsphil> it's heading straight for you
[15:28] <daveake> I know :)
[15:28] <daveake> I forgot to bring my chase car pi
[15:28] <daveake> So I'm using an Android app
[15:29] <fsphil> it'll be a while before it gets over that far
[15:29] <daveake> which is uploading my alt to 8 decimal places
[15:29] <daveake> yes
[15:29] <fsphil> hah
[15:29] <daveake> Maybe I should head west :)
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[15:30] <g0azs> Erm... how come I am hearing Orion quite well but nothing seems to be decoding? Does the s/n have to be much better at that baud rate?
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[15:31] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: actually, i think just 2cm of that spaceloft stuff painted black on the outside would work
[15:31] <Laurenceb_> itd probably get to -5C or so
[15:31] <fsphil> g0azs: you're on the list of people decoding the images
[15:31] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ORION
[15:31] <g0azs> OK I think it just started decoding as I typed!
[15:31] <fsphil> lol
[15:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> g0azs, you need to set Rx bandwidth in dl-fldigi quite high so that the red bars nearly overlap
[15:32] <fsphil> brb
[15:32] <LeoBodnar> sound good enough to just try and see
[15:32] <gonzo___> phil, what is the tx module?
[15:32] <g0azs> OK will try that too.. need to move to other PC
[15:32] <g0azs> BRB
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[15:33] <Laurenceb_> if the outside is at -5 during the day, you have heat going back through the insulation + all the power used by the electronics during sunlight
[15:33] <Laurenceb_> so plenty to heat up and melt the ice
[15:34] <ibanezmatt13> hey fsphil, you're set to fly straight over my house :)
[15:35] <LeoBodnar> did you say 3g equal water/antifreeze mix?
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[15:36] <M0CJM_Neil> How oftern does it send regular telemetry out? I seem to be getting a signal now but just jibberish and no confirmation of an image packet
[15:36] <M0CJM_Neil> rx bandwidth set to 550
[15:36] <LeoBodnar> How about diluted vodka?
[15:37] <g0azs> RX bandwidth here at 580 hz. working OK (mainly)
[15:37] <ibanezmatt13> what sort of payload is this?
[15:37] <g0azs> Not too bad at 400km with just 1 degree elevation (and Welsh mountains in the way)
[15:38] <mattbrejza> hey LeoBodnar , noticed any difference between the max6 and max 7 modules? i have two side by side and the max6 does somewhat better
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[15:38] <LeoBodnar> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Phase_diagram_ethanol_water_s_l_en.svg
[15:38] <G8APZ> Diluted Vodka... sacriledge!!
[15:38] <M0CJM_Neil> Where are you G0AZS
[15:39] <M0CJM_Neil> ooh ooh ohh just saw the word orion appear
[15:39] <gonzo___> if it were single malt scotch, I'd join in your disapproval
[15:39] <LeoBodnar> yes MAX6 seems to be better from what I see. DOesn't it use TCXO vs XO in MAX7?
[15:39] <LeoBodnar> OK how about some cheap white wine then?
[15:39] <mattbrejza> well the max7 seem to have a weaker signal
[15:40] <mattbrejza> higher DOP and less satellites
[15:40] <gonzo___> ah, think it's orion that OI am seeing here too. It seemed tooooooo stable to be in the air, but can see some drift in the sig. (only slight thiough)
[15:40] <g0azs> Near Aylesbury
[15:40] <G8APZ> gonzo___ yes I'd disapprove of that too!!!
[15:40] <gonzo___> the only thing to put in a scotch, is another one
[15:40] <M0CJM_Neil> g0azs Just west of Basingstoke here
[15:41] <DL1SGP> SP9UOB-Tom: HF on board?
[15:41] <es5nhc> Wow... ORION image 46 is awesome
[15:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL1SGP: no, just testing code before hf launch
[15:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL1SGP: i have missing leading zeros after decimal dot - argh...
[15:43] <DL1SGP> okie :)
[15:44] <DL1SGP> well in that case it was good to do a test flight
[15:45] <es5nhc> SP9UOB, that temperature outside?
[15:45] <es5nhc> -18?
[15:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> es5nhc: inside, but it is not insulated at all (just shrinking tube)
[15:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> es5nhc: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/picov3a.jpg
[15:48] <x-f> wii, two new floaters! good luck, Tom and fsphil
[15:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> es5nhc: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/IMG_0717.JPG
[15:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: but my floater has a software bug
[15:48] <es5nhc> Would actually imagine this ballooning should be somewhat helpful to meteorologists too - getting idea at least of the vertical wind profile... here in Estonia the upper air observations are absymal. Only 00Z launch at Harku
[15:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: anyway fixed now , but i have to develop in-flight software update mode ;-)
[15:49] <x-f> that would be cool, nobody has done that yet :)
[15:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: NASA did ;-)
[15:50] <x-f> well, amateurs haven't
[15:50] <x-f> HAB amateurs
[15:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> Curiosity is upgradeable from Earth ;-)
[15:50] <DL1SGP> it can play xmas songs :)
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[15:50] <g0azs> wow receiving beautiful full images now
[15:50] <DL1SGP> well "rough approximations of xmas songs"
[15:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha just seeing the Orion traces on the w/f
[15:53] <G8APZ> Geoff-G8DHE I'm not seeing it yet on just a folded dipole in SW Essex.
[15:53] <M0CJM_Neil> g0azs Still nothing here, just the odd telemetry!
[15:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its not decoding but look at the w/f here http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/Orion_20131130/index.php?ind=1 clcik refresh
[15:54] <G8APZ> Good heavens! What spectral spread!
[15:54] <g0azs> it's not even moving the s meter on my 706. weak but reasonable s/n decoding now seems quite stable.
[15:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm getting nothing here at all.
[15:55] <DL1SGP> I am not getting anything either Steve_G0TDJ no worries you are not alone :P
[15:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> :D
[15:55] <M0CJM_Neil> Do you guys try and centre the signal mid waterfall?
[15:55] <mikestir> I can just make it out on the telescopic now
[15:55] <mikestir> need to get the beam set up again
[15:55] <G8APZ> around 1000Hz here
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its still actually below the Downs for me my mast is 20m and it needs to be 40m!
[15:56] <LeoBodnar> M0CJM_Neil: each receiver usually has it's own sweet spot
[15:56] <M0CJM_Neil> I got it centered on 1300 Hz
[15:56] <DL1SGP> I have been wondering if anyone from northern america or scandinavia ever launched a HAB into aurora borealis
[15:56] <LeoBodnar> try it lower and higher and see if it works better
[15:56] <g0azs> i have centered it on mine... just to be in the middle of the passband 1500 hz (in case it drifts... which it is not)
[15:56] <db_g6gzh> I can hear a weak FM carrier near RTSHAB's landing area
[15:56] <M0CJM_Neil> LeoBodnar Thanks will try bringing it down a little
[15:57] <LeoBodnar> I have tried different online a physical receivers and they are all different
[15:58] <G8KNN> db_g6gzh: the chase team aren't far behind you
[15:59] <db_g6gzh> just looking at the map
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[15:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: Have you been getting my updates on APRS?
[16:00] <db_g6gzh> no Steve_G0TDJ
[16:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Drat LOL
[16:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Chase car is about 7 mins away from you.
[16:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have let them know where you are.
[16:01] <db_g6gzh> I'm just going to move around further south since it was heading that way
[16:01] <G8KNN> db_g6gzh: chase team just coming down Black drove towards you
[16:01] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: actually
[16:01] <Laurenceb_> i think you could lose the water
[16:01] <G8KNN> db_g6gzh: oops, no they are carrying on down Southery Rd
[16:01] <Laurenceb_> and just use the thermal mass of the lipo
[16:01] <LeoBodnar> just antifreeze?
[16:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: Chase car will probably approach via Ploughman's Drove
[16:03] <x-f> DL1SGP, http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-04/27/gopro-northern-lights
[16:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: Confirmed
[16:03] <LeoBodnar> LiPo is about 4g and consists mainly from Al/Cu
[16:04] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[16:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> G8KNN: He's mobile
[16:04] <Laurenceb_> i think if you can live with a +10C to -30C swing....
[16:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Wrong way Dave....
[16:04] <G8KNN> Steve_G0TDJ: yup, I can see him on aprs.fi
[16:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's what I'm sing
[16:05] <x-f> DL1SGP, afaik jcoxon is working on a similar project with Icelanders
[16:05] <M0CJM_Neil> Heyyyy! I uploaded a packet :-)
[16:05] <LeoBodnar> -30C is good enough
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> i dunno
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> might work
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> its hard to say what the heat capacity is
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[16:06] <LeoBodnar> Is orion getting ready to level off?
[16:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: Are you monitoring?
[16:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nope, moving again...
[16:08] <DL1SGP> thanks x-f
[16:10] <db_g6gzh> that road is not suitable for cars so I'm going to have to try to find my way round
[16:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Dave
[16:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> YOu are very close to chase car
[16:11] <G8KNN> db_g6gzh: not in the Landy then?!
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[16:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Where could you have so much fin on a Saturday afternoon......
[16:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Fun even
[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> are nearly there partial decodes
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[16:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Green
[16:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh a sunshot
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[16:16] <DL1SGP> yeah
[16:17] <DL1SGP> Hello sun I did not see you all day, good to know that you are still about :)
[16:18] <db_g6gzh> G8KNN: no
[16:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: Did you get my PM?
[16:20] <g0azs> Very weak with me now. no decodes. I wonder why the signal has dropped so much for me.
[16:21] <WillTablet> Ham radio course went well
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[16:21] <WillTablet> All questions right on first mock, all but 3 on second
[16:21] <G8APZ> Dial freq of Orion plese?
[16:21] <G8APZ> please
[16:22] <G8KNN> 434.652
[16:22] <G8APZ> OK thanks
[16:22] <g0azs> 434.6541 for me
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[16:24] <G8KNN> fsphil: ORION is an excellent signal here
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[16:25] <LeoBodnar> good job WillTablet
[16:26] <DL1SGP> WillTablet: time to think of a callsign and check if it is available, well done
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[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/Orion_20131130/index.php?ind=2
[16:27] <M0CJM_Neil> Hi Will
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[16:27] <DL1SGP> another sun-shot yay
[16:28] <x-f> 30 km
[16:30] <mikestir> nice pic
[16:31] <tjanos> SP9UOB-Tom: Tomas, pls redirect your fly to a little south, we are ready to receive you: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/165274_trj001.gif
[16:31] <DL1SGP> heh tjanos
[16:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: Have you found the chase car?
[16:31] <x-f> tjanos, he can't upload a new firmware yet :)
[16:32] <tjanos> in UA will be lost!
[16:32] <x-f> we have had some listeners in UA previously
[16:32] <x-f> one in Minsk at least
[16:33] <x-f> not sure he's aware of the flight today anyway
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[16:33] <tjanos> or do you think, it will landed on Bajkal lake? as predicted by NOAA?
[16:34] <LeoBodnar> Sven needs to fire up his early warning system
[16:35] <tjanos> or at least he can dig in his follower,s database
[16:35] <DL1SGP> one could almost make a composite of the last 2 shots :) maybe as website header fsphil?
[16:36] <PE2G> Orion seems to be leveling off
[16:36] <PE2G> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/db138017d1bcbe5af2dfb2aa297de993#g/altitude
[16:36] <x-f> SP9UOB too
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[16:38] <tjanos> isnot it too high to float into the "continent"?
[16:39] <LeoBodnar> it might drop a bit after the full susnset
[16:40] <tjanos> but the sunset pictures really nice from 30 km high
[16:44] <DL1SGP> somebody switched sun off!
[16:44] <DL1SGP> :P
[16:44] <LeoBodnar> it should be fully below horizon in 15 minutes
[16:45] <tjanos> it is not a good idea, it will react with a big flear!
[16:46] <tjanos> dont forget his/her cycles!
[16:46] <x-f> so i ran a prediction for ORION.. - http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=ae188ae9865869a0fce7f000c634a78a50fe5096
[16:46] <DL1SGP> oh welcome back sun :)
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[16:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> *** I just heard RTSHAB1 has been successfully recovered - Very close to the last point on the map
[16:48] <DL1SGP> great news Steve_G0TDJ
[16:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
[16:48] <DL1SGP> are you hearing ORION yet?
[16:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, nothing yet
[16:49] <G8APZ> I see Orion will overfly RAF Valley at current heading!
[16:49] <DL1SGP> same here :)
[16:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not even a weak signal Felix
[16:49] <DL1SGP> same here :)
[16:49] <Andrew_M6GTG> got only weak signal here, not enough for decode
[16:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maybe when we're in the 5deg circle Andy
[16:50] <Andrew_M6GTG> hope so, mind you coming from the east which is always rubbish here
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[16:51] <DL1SGP> Nabend Sven
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[16:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, it's over the hill to me too.
[16:51] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
[16:52] <DL7AD> evening
[16:52] <DL7AD> on which frequency does sp9uob transmit?
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[16:53] <DL7AD> guten abend Felix
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[16:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: 437.592 USB now (domex16) but drifty
[16:53] <Andrew_M6GTG> mind you RTSHAB1 flew almost overhead.. shame I was out shopping :-(
[16:54] <DL1SGP> aww Andrew_M6GTG
[16:54] <Andrew_M6GTG> did get some decoding off the last part of the flight.. would have been nice to get more
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[16:56] <gonzo___> the image 61 is excellent.
[16:56] <gonzo___> I assume the orange red mabds are an artifact of the lens
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[16:56] <gonzo___> bands
[16:56] <G8APZ> Just started to see sigs from Orion in SW Essex
[16:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> G8APZ: What freq have you got for Orion please?
[16:57] <G8APZ> back on land at Rhoscolyn... Nice pub there!!
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[16:57] <DL1SGP> Nabend DJ3AK Nachbar :)
[16:57] <x-f> looks like ORION is actually floating
[16:57] <G8APZ> 434.652.5 with sigs at 1000Hz
[16:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> I think I finally have a weak signal there, thanks
[16:58] <DL1SGP> how long were batteries expected to last?
[16:58] <DL7AD> on which does orion transmit?
[16:58] <DL7AD> and which mode?
[16:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> 24hrs Phil said
[16:58] Action: DL1SGP trusts fsphil
[16:59] <es5nhc> Looking at latest image coming in on Orion. I think you can actually see Earth Shadow creeping in
[16:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Signal becoming a little more defined
[16:59] <gonzo___> fanally got around to wiring the gps locked ref, so I'm seeing the idle tone at 434.65141
[17:00] <DL1SGP> DL7AD: Callsign: ORION -Frequency: 434.650 MHz, 300 baud RTTY, 8N1.5 -The payload will be transmitting SSDV images along with the regular
[17:00] <DL1SGP> telemetry.
[17:00] <DL1SGP> currently reported to be at 434.652.5 with sigs at 1000Hz
[17:00] <gonzo___> erm, maths error... 434.5341
[17:01] <x-f> es5nhc, sooooo.. are you starting a HAB project any time soon? :)
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[17:02] Action: DL1SGP will take a trip to the roof to rotate the logperiodic to honor ORION :)
[17:02] <DL1SGP> brb
[17:02] <gonzo___> and drifting lf slowly
[17:02] <es5nhc> No... but will keep my ears open for any of yours that'll come for my neighborhood
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[17:02] Action: SP9UOB-Tom is gone. Gone since Sat Nov 30 15:03:00 2013
[17:02] <G8APZ> Sigs gone again... but were fluttery... no decodes
[17:03] <gonzo___> just passed RAF Valley
[17:03] <es5nhc> I am a weather enthusiasts by the way, even had a few meteorology classes in the university(general meteorology and radar meteorology)
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[17:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> For those that like them ;-) Object Movie of RTSHAB flight Path http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/RTSHAB_20131130/RTSHAB_20131130.html
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[17:09] <DL1SGP> rotated, damn it is getting foggy here
[17:09] <tjanos> near-valid NOAA path prediction to ORION, for night flight http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/166185_trj001.gif
[17:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> What's really useful with Orion is the tone between telemetry. Gives something on the W/F to look for.
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[17:15] <G8APZ> Is it really 300Hz shift?
[17:15] <tjanos> how feel itself the camera on ORION in -20C? http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/db138017d1bcbe5af2dfb2aa297de993#g/temperature_internal
[17:16] <Andrew_M6GTG> G8APZ: 300 baud, 600Hz shift
[17:16] <G8APZ> sorry that's what I meant!
[17:18] <Andrew_M6GTG> getting some decodes here.. ;-)
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[17:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well done Andy, not much here apart from weak sigs
[17:20] <Andrew_M6GTG> s/n is still low, just the odd ssdv packet
[17:20] <G8APZ> The tone is much bigger si than the RTTY!
[17:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, I knoticed that. Good for tuning with
[17:21] <G8APZ> si = sig!
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[17:22] <chrisstubbs> Oh awesome orion is still up!
[17:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> Struggling to hear anything here chrisstubbs
[17:22] <chrisstubbs> where am i looking?
[17:23] <chrisstubbs> 650
[17:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, it's come back down now
[17:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> 650.64 for me
[17:23] <chrisstubbs> signal looks nice here
[17:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good!
[17:23] <DL1SGP> good evening chrisstubbs
[17:24] <chrisstubbs> Evening
[17:24] <Andrew_M6GTG> images aren't very exciting ;-)
[17:24] <DL1SGP> Andrew_M6GTG: they are :P just put some imagination into it :)
[17:25] <DL1SGP> or... enjoy the darkness. it is hard to get such a darkness close to civilization on ground
[17:25] <tjanos> the camera or the sun was swiched off?
[17:26] <DL1SGP> as it is dark here as well, I would think it was sun that was switched off
[17:26] <x-f> i really hope we here will be able to receive sunrise images from Orion tomorrow
[17:26] <es5nhc> Yeah... been dark in Estonia for hours too lol
[17:26] <G8APZ> It would make sense to switch cam off after sundown!
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[17:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> What shift have you got guys?
[17:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> 600Hz
[17:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK I'll leave it alone then...#
[17:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> remember to set your bandwidth to 580+Hz
[17:30] <G8APZ> Anyone notice the new users in mobile tracker drop and bounce?
[17:30] <x-f> G8APZ, or transmit random images from spaaaaaaaace like daveake_ did :) - http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1063
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[17:32] <Andrew_M6GTG> ohhh some light on last image
[17:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes the last bit of Sun
[17:32] <DL1SGP> yeah the payload is rotating so sometimes when it looks towards west-ish direction we still get a tiny glimpse of rest of the day
[17:32] <es5nhc> What is the maximum exposure the camera is able to make?
[17:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> is that the green flash its caught ?
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[17:33] <es5nhc> Maybe we could see city lights... but weather probably is cloudy down there
[17:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup its at least 50% cloud tonight
[17:34] <G8APZ> x-f Very amusing that link!!
[17:34] <DL1SGP> another lovely picture
[17:35] <gonzo___> the colouyrs are great
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[17:35] <la3eq> can anyone tell me the frequency of Orion?
[17:35] <es5nhc> the white balance is automatic, right?
[17:35] <PE2G> Great picture!
[17:36] <G8APZ> I'm not quite in the green ring yet but hope that sigs get better when I am!
[17:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> la3eq: Currently 434,649.75
[17:36] <la3eq> tnx
[17:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> mp
[17:36] <db_g6gzh> RTSHAB back in the car and the recovery team is just about to head for home, as am I.
[17:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> YAY! :D Cool stuff Dave
[17:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> Have a safe drive back.
[17:37] <DL1SGP> hmm yeah there is ORION else I would have headed to a pub :)
[17:37] <db_g6gzh> shame I got there a bit late to help but still been fun and good to meet them
[17:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm not saying anything Felix, I don't want to jinx it for you!
[17:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm glad you got to meet them Dave
[17:38] <DL1SGP> of course only for a cup of good earl grey steve :D as people would have to drive
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[17:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> True ;-)
[17:39] <mfa298> chrisstubbs: it seems that dl-fldigi works pretty well with the ovivo sim (all my m1ari_3g packets are going via it)
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[17:39] <chrisstubbs> Oh cool :)
[17:39] <mikestir> hehe indoor coverage fsphil
[17:39] <chrisstubbs> Im not getting enough for a decode on orion just yet
[17:39] <mfa298> not opened a web browser on it yet, and it's been connected for 4 hours
[17:40] <chrisstubbs> Cool
[17:40] <chrisstubbs> I think it still *works* when you dont see an ad, but it limits the speed a LOT
[17:40] <mfa298> only problem I've got is I've run out of usb ports on my netbook so I can't setup rig control (I found it had drifted off the bottom of the waterfall just now)
[17:41] <chrisstubbs> Oh your using a dongle
[17:41] <chrisstubbs> i had it tethered on my phone
[17:41] <mfa298> I've got an unlocked 3g dongle (E1550) which seems to work reasonably well
[17:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> fsphil, Any images of the balloon before launch ?
[17:42] <mfa298> I might have to test something a bit more bandwidth intensive sometime - like streaming to batc.
[17:43] <chrisstubbs> I suppose it might just limit download not upload
[17:43] <chrisstubbs> we will have to see
[17:43] <mfa298> possibly
[17:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Orion is drifting low now even see the slope in the dl-fldigi w/f!
[17:43] <mfa298> I might have to try testing somehow.
[17:44] <mfa298> although most of the things I'd use that arent web are fairly low bandwidth anyway
[17:46] <PE2G> First greens at 670 km
[17:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> chrisstubbs: Looks like Orion's 5deg will pass us both at about the same time.
[17:48] <chrisstubbs> hah yeah
[17:49] <chrisstubbs> my north isnt great LOS wise, will have to wait and see
[17:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, not too good for me as you know. I have a signal but not great
[17:50] <chrisstubbs> A bit more preamble after it goes to single carrier might give me a bit more of a chance, some of the strings are close
[17:51] <mikestir> what's the shift? seems narrower than the autoconfig
[17:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's just beginning to emerge for me now
[17:51] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: Orion seems to float @31.2Kms for the night @ -26°C, images at http://t.co/d90IGtjVqX now darkness, will the Stars come out
[17:51] <tweetBot> #ukhas #hamradio
[17:51] <chrisstubbs> mikestir, I was thinking the same
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> 600Hz
[17:52] <mikestir> just trying to get the rtlsdr and yagi up and running since it's going to be nearly overhead
[17:52] <G8APZ> I'm right on the green ring so my dipole may start to see sigs more reliably now... I hope!
[17:52] <mikestir> quite readable on the scanner/telescopic indoors, but signal seems rubbish on the yagi
[17:52] <mikestir> something obviously wrong
[17:53] Nick change: bigcw -> bigchrisw
[17:53] Nick change: bigchrisw -> bcw
[17:53] Nick change: bcw -> bigcw
[17:53] <PE2G> First decode at 678 km in fact: http://s21.postimg.org/dtmm72zyv/Orion_Screen001.jpg
[17:53] <PE2G> My personal record at 300 bd
[17:53] <mikestir> ah. pulseaudio screwing with the samplerate again
[17:54] <G8KNN> PE2G: wow, impressive
[17:54] <chrisstubbs> PE2G thats impressive
[17:54] <chrisstubbs> haha
[17:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> excellent PE2G
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:55] <chrisstubbs> http://grab.by/ssHG No decodes for me yet
[17:55] <Martin_G4FUI> Does SSDV have any FEC built into it?
[17:55] <chrisstubbs> Martin_G4FUI, yeah
[17:55] <chrisstubbs> reed-solomon
[17:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup it has FEC, watch the image and it tells you how many corrections its made
[17:56] <mikestir> right. working now, and I should hope so too
[17:56] <Martin_G4FUI> Ah, the penny has dropped . . .
[17:56] <Martin_G4FUI> Ta
[17:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nor me: http://i.imgur.com/YATPYQx.jpg *Steve said a bit late*
[17:57] <chrisstubbs> My signal looks great
[17:57] <chrisstubbs> not sure whats going on
[17:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> The Rx bandwidth is too low right click RTTY left corner and slide the the receiver bandwidth up till the red bars just meet
[17:58] <mikestir> shift looks more like 450 to me
[17:59] <chrisstubbs> On auto is sets itself to 300
[17:59] <mikestir> auto sets it to 600 doesn't it?
[17:59] <mikestir> 300 baud, 600 Hz shift
[17:59] <fsphil> evening all
[17:59] <chrisstubbs> I turned it up to just over 580 or whatever you said
[17:59] <chrisstubbs> lets try 600
[17:59] <chrisstubbs> Hi fsphil
[17:59] <fsphil> dark up there
[17:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Should look like this http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/Orion_20131130/Capture.JPG
[18:00] <G8APZ> Is the auto config correct? I cannot make sense of the sigs
[18:00] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: there is but I don't have access to them yet
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[18:00] <ibanezmatt13> what freq for Orion?
[18:00] <Martin_G4FUI> Waiting for "CEEFAX In Vision" to start, fsphil :)
[18:00] <fsphil> oh nice it's reached england
[18:00] <mikestir> 434.648 dial
[18:00] <ibanezmatt13> thank you
[18:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Matt
[18:01] <fsphil> and a really nice float
[18:01] <DL1SGP> congrats fsphil
[18:01] <x-f> beautiful sunset pics, fsphil
[18:02] <fsphil> image 54 is my fav
[18:02] <fsphil> -30c
[18:02] <fsphil> ooch
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[18:02] <fsphil> that's the Pi's GPU temperature
[18:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ouch!
[18:03] <LeoBodnar> B-32 is at -50C so don't complain :D
[18:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> I wondered why it wasn't cooler, that explains it!
[18:03] <x-f> :))
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[18:04] <LeoBodnar> James evenng
[18:04] <jcoxon> hey LeoBodnar
[18:04] <jcoxon> africa!
[18:05] <LeoBodnar> I have compiled your hithub stuff and it worked fine
[18:05] <LeoBodnar> Yes new continent
[18:05] <jcoxon> what version are you running?
[18:05] <jcoxon> is it 3.21.77? (check in the About of dl-fldigi)
[18:05] <LeoBodnar> The one that was on yesterday let me check
[18:06] <daveake> nice pix fsphil :)
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> 3.21.68
[18:06] <daveake> Any reloaded pix to come? :p
[18:06] <daveake> pre
[18:07] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, oh okay, i've now got dl-fldigi and fldigi up to date
[18:07] <jcoxon> with 3.21.77
[18:07] <DL1SGP> that was my thinking :) entertain us a bit over the night
[18:07] <jcoxon> its on my github now
[18:07] <LeoBodnar> how do I update it locally?
[18:07] <fsphil> daveake: yep :) but they're late
[18:08] <fsphil> it should have sent one already
[18:08] <daveake> oh
[18:08] <daveake> I'm home btw
[18:08] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, so go into the directory
[18:08] <jcoxon> and do
[18:08] <jcoxon> $ git pull origin
[18:08] <daveake> Started getting complete packets once I got to the M40
[18:08] <G8APZ> Orion could go far at this rate!!
[18:08] <fsphil> it's speeding up
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> don but "make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. "
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> it's git clone git://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi.git right?
[18:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Time for some tea I think bbl
[18:10] <DL1SGP> enjoy your tea Geoff-G8DHE
[18:10] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, if you are starting again yeah
[18:11] <jcoxon> if it merges stuff you'll need to make clean
[18:11] <jcoxon> and recompile
[18:11] <LeoBodnar> that was what I have pulled yesterday
[18:11] <es5nhc> Well I'll be... I think there could be a planet perhaps on ORION images 86 and 87
[18:11] <LeoBodnar> k
[18:11] <es5nhc> and also 88
[18:12] <DL1SGP> indeed es5nhc
[18:12] <fsphil> what time is moon rise?
[18:12] <Andrew_M6GTG> "My God it's full of stars!"
[18:13] <DL1SGP> heh Andrew_M6GTG
[18:13] <fsphil> ooh moon doesn't rise until 04:30
[18:13] <fsphil> what is that
[18:13] <fsphil> ah it's Venus
[18:13] <jcoxon> good work fsphil
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> http://hopsblog-hop.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/cartoon-delta-v-map.html amused me
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[18:14] <mikestir> is spacenear still diverting to the mobile tracker or am I seeing some weird caching issue? my mobile seems to be seeing the old interface again
[18:15] <ibanezmatt13> I've got ORION!
[18:15] <DL1SGP> congrats ibanezmatt13
[18:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well done Matt :-)
[18:15] <ibanezmatt13> Could somebody provide the config?
[18:15] <jcoxon> mikestir, its back to the old interface
[18:15] <ibanezmatt13> for dl
[18:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's in the list
[18:15] <ibanezmatt13> is it?
[18:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Flight
[18:15] <ibanezmatt13> can't see it
[18:15] <ibanezmatt13> 7N2, 300 baud RTTY?
[18:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Click on DL Client - Refresh
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[18:16] <ibanezmatt13> ah ok
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> still 3.21.68
[18:16] <mikestir> jcoxon: weird caching issue: spacenear.us/tracker/? solved it
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> I'll delete all and do it again
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[18:16] <ibanezmatt13> Steve_G0TDJ: shift?
[18:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> 600
[18:16] <ibanezmatt13> ta
[18:16] <DL1SGP> 600ish
[18:17] <mikestir> I make it more like 450
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> bah i'm in the wrong directory
[18:17] <DL1SGP> heh LeoBodnar, happened to me earlier :P
[18:17] <ibanezmatt13> Steve_G0TDJ: I have 3 lines on waterfall... not sure which to get
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> And the wrong terminal window altogether
[18:18] <LeoBodnar> * checking his flat number
[18:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Put the signal mid way between your yellow lines and click
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[18:19] <ibanezmatt13> yes, not sure which to click in the middle of though. Definitely 300 baud, RTTY, 7N2?
[18:19] <ibanezmatt13> oh wait, I'm set to 50 baud, 7N1
[18:19] <DL1SGP> heh that won't work
[18:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> 300 bd
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[18:19] <jcoxon> ibanezmatt13, use autoconfigure
[18:19] <ibanezmatt13> 7N1?
[18:19] <DL1SGP> see here ibanezmatt13 http://s21.postimg.org/dtmm72zyv/Orion_Screen001.jpg
[18:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is it 7 or 8 guys? Mine set to 8
[18:19] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try
[18:20] <mikestir> will the autoconfig gave me 8n1.5 which seems to be working
[18:20] <mikestir> well*
[18:20] <jcoxon> its 8
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[18:20] <jcoxon> as its needed for ssdv
[18:20] <daveake> Image 91 has something on it too
[18:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll remember that James, cheers
[18:21] <DL1SGP> it seems to be a bit turbulent up there
[18:22] <ibanezmatt13> ok so I'm on 8N2, 300 baud :/
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[18:22] <DL1SGP> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander
[18:22] <daveake> 8N2
[18:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> 8n1.5 Matt
[18:22] <daveake> It's in Phil's post in the mailing list
[18:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's what the auto config set
[18:22] <daveake> and auto-configure will set it for you
[18:23] <ibanezmatt13> hmm
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:23] <PE2G> Notice the dot in the upper right hand corner of img 87 and 88. Sirius? Jupiter?
[18:23] <daveake> I may have been late - I was scrolled back without noticing :/
[18:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Venus
[18:24] <G8APZ> I can hear it, see it, centre line on the tone, and can't decode Aargh!!
[18:24] <PE2G> Isn't Venus below the horizon?
[18:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm gonna be called away for dinner in a tick and I haven't got a decent signal yet!
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> check with stellarium
[18:24] <ibanezmatt13> http://pbrd.co/1jV6EPa
[18:24] <LeoBodnar> 3.21.77
[18:24] <ibanezmatt13> not sure what I'm doing wrong
[18:24] <daveake> There was a planet very bright in the sky earlier when I drove home
[18:25] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, hooray
[18:25] <LeoBodnar> But it complains that there is a newer version available and the server has been upgraded to it as well
[18:25] <Andrew_M6GTG> I've got the shift set at 500Hz getting better decodes
[18:25] <jcoxon> though i've found a bug/feature - fldigi have removed the ability to change the rtty filter size
[18:25] <jcoxon> i'm off to hunt that down
[18:25] <x-f> G8APZ, post a screenprint of the dl-fldigi window and the RTTY settings window, maybe we may spot what's wrong
[18:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Close Andrew_M6GTG Thanks $$ORION,5,1:25:39,53.16&-.098",710&9,1r,-3.9*BBrB
[18:26] <LeoBodnar> do I ignore new version warning for now? where does it get the info from?
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[18:26] <DL1SGP> ibanezmatt13: get the decoding bandwidth up a bit more so that the horizontal red thingamabobs almost touch, like in the img of PE2G first decode
[18:26] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, yeah don't worry about that
[18:26] <jcoxon> life on the cutting edge
[18:27] <LeoBodnar> I know I'm bleeding all over
[18:27] <PE2G> Yes, it's Venus.
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[18:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> ge all
[18:32] <iain_g4sgx> Evening guys, how did the Olivia go? As good as Dominex?
[18:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> wat have i need for decode orion data ??
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[18:34] <PE2G> Good evening Herman: 434.647.3 USB
[18:34] <G8APZ> x-f Have screen shot but need to transfer to pen drive to send by mail.. will do later... sigs look very incoherent though +11db/n
[18:35] <ibanezmatt13> I got SSDV packet! :D My first HAB tracking!
[18:35] <mfa298> well done ibanezmatt13
[18:35] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[18:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: yes i heart him but very strange signaal
[18:35] <mfa298> those black packets have a very repetative sound to them.
[18:36] <PE2G> Congrats ibanezmatt13 :)
[18:36] <ibanezmatt13> thank you
[18:36] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: RTTY 300 baud, 8 N 1.5
[18:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> no is is other sound and very wide
[18:37] <PE2G> Like this? http://s21.postimg.org/dtmm72zyv/Orion_Screen001.jpg
[18:37] <fsphil> nice one ibanezmatt13
[18:37] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[18:38] <fsphil> no, thank you for tracking :)
[18:38] <fsphil> I'm still receiving it here but I'm starting to get red lines
[18:39] <ibanezmatt13> ah no probs
[18:39] <fsphil> I believe some of those pics are showing lights on the ground
[18:39] <mikestir> have you worked out the ground speed fsphil - seems very fast!
[18:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: yes
[18:39] <PE2G> fsphil: What's the distance?
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[18:41] <Rob_m0dts> is Venus bright enough in the sky for the camera to see it?
[18:41] <fsphil> my last good telemetry decode was 369km
[18:41] <fsphil> still getting some image packets
[18:42] <fsphil> Rob_m0dts: yea it's in a few images
[18:42] <fsphil> and what I'm pretty sure are streetlights
[18:42] <fsphil> though the jpeg encoding is wiping out any detail
[18:42] <Rob_m0dts> i could get 9k6 with current signal, it's superb!!
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[18:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: yes have green lines en he say send picture
[18:43] <DL1SGP> Leuk, Herman-PB0AHX :)
[18:43] <PE2G> You're in business Herman-PB0AHX :)
[18:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> is is a black picture i see
[18:44] Action: DL1SGP gives Herman-PB0AHX a virtual ORION-Mission-Patch
[18:44] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Because it's dark outside
[18:44] <DL1SGP> yes that is OK, somebody switched off sun and since then pictures are rather dark
[18:45] <fsphil> the night does it so well
[18:45] <Rob_m0dts> how many are waiting for the UFO then?!
[18:45] <fsphil> lol
[18:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok i switch on the sun
[18:45] <fsphil> the moon rises at 4:30
[18:46] <fsphil> that should be visible, if it's still transmitting
[18:46] <Rob_m0dts> great
[18:46] <fsphil> really hoping it catches sunrise
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[18:46] <ibanezmatt13> $$ORION,691,18:7:3,53.1f-1.5693,309529,-3.1*2038
[18:46] <ibanezmatt13> Getting there
[18:46] <fsphil> -33.1c
[18:47] <ibanezmatt13> chilly
[18:47] <chrisstubbs> Thats close ibanezmatt13
[18:47] <chrisstubbs> evening S_Mark
[18:47] <ibanezmatt13> aye, hopefully I'll get a decode before it goes out of range
[18:47] <S_Mark> Hey chrisstubbs
[18:47] <fsphil> yea and that's inside the box
[18:47] <chrisstubbs> fsphil, that looked like a small tank of helium/hydrogen in your ssdv pics
[18:48] <S_Mark> yeah was gunna ask the same fsphil
[18:48] <S_Mark> how big was that?
[18:48] <G8APZ> Trying to decode this RTTY is a joke.... I give up!
[18:48] <chrisstubbs> There are 2 sizes for H2, teensy or mahoosive
[18:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> this are my first decode of pictures nice
[18:49] <fsphil> it was the medium sized tank
[18:49] <fsphil> the code of which escapes me
[18:49] <fsphil> 3.7m3 I think
[18:49] <chrisstubbs> He?
[18:49] <fsphil> yea
[18:50] <Herman-PB0AHX> 414 km and 2.4 elevation
[18:50] <fsphil> I'll use hydrogen after this
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[18:50] <fsphil> well there's enough gas left to launch a few small balloons
[18:50] <daveake> 3.6 is a T
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[18:50] <M0CJM_Neil> fsphil I dont want to sound premature but well done on a good flight today and I have enjoyed trcking! Thanks :-)
[18:51] <ibanezmatt13> Am I doing something wrong with the shift here? http://pbrd.co/1jVaAzB
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[18:51] <fsphil> thanks for tracking M0CJM_Neil :)
[18:51] <M0CJM_Neil> fsphil No owrries
[18:51] <gonzo___> oops, it had wandere doff the end of the spectrum
[18:52] <fsphil> I think next time I'll capture the images at and boost the contrast
[18:52] <M0CJM_Neil> ibanezmatt13 CHange the shift to 600 from 500
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[18:52] <ibanezmatt13> o
[18:52] <ibanezmatt13> k
[18:52] <M0CJM_Neil> widen your bandwidth to 500
[18:52] <Rob_m0dts> i'm using 300 shift and 400 on filter
[18:52] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[18:52] <mikestir> i'd actually narrow your shift slightly ibanezmatt13, and keep the filter as is
[18:52] <aadamson> Anyone by chance have a schematic of the older pecanpico with the adf7012 chip?
[18:52] <db_g6gzh> Steve_G0TDJ: I don't have APRS messaging on the car tracker but just noticed a couple of your messages on my Xastir screen at home. Thanks for trying it.
[18:52] <M0CJM_Neil> is there an easy way to send a pic on here? will screen grab mine
[18:52] <ibanezmatt13> I'll play around with it
[18:52] <gonzo___> phil, what battery life are you expecting for this flight?
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[18:53] <chrisstubbs> M0CJM_Neil, printscreen, paint, upload to imgur.com
[18:53] <mikestir> the shift seems narrower during the data part, presumably because of some low pass effect in the modulator
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[18:53] <M0CJM_Neil> chrisstubbs Ok ave to learn how to do that
[18:53] <fsphil> yea the shift narrows with the higher data rates
[18:53] <aadamson> I'm working on a pro-mini version and would like to play with the 7012& I have an si version in the works, but for now, want to see if I can get the 7012 working& i can't seem to find a schematic around&. just thought I'd check here to see if anyone had it?
[18:53] <fsphil> 50 baud would be slighter wider
[18:53] <chrisstubbs> the printscreen key will copy a screenshot to your clipboard, just paste that in paint, save, upload
[18:54] <fsphil> gonzo___: hoping 24 hours, so about mid-day tomorrow
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[18:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: No problem Dave :-)
[18:54] <fsphil> by then it may be out of range though
[18:54] <gonzo___> had best wake up our friends over the water then
[18:54] <M0CJM_Neil> chrisstubbs Its just the online hosting bit I have not got set up
[18:54] <fsphil> yes we need the Polish team :)
[18:54] <chrisstubbs> ah just go on imgur.com and hit the upload from computer burtton on the right
[18:54] <fsphil> not getting many decodes now
[18:55] <fsphil> just a bit too weak for the colinear
[18:55] <mikestir> nice big signal here now - much better than when it was overhead :)
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[18:55] <PE2G> The Valentia Observatory (Ireland) 12UTC sounding measured -65 C at 31 km: http://bit.do/eAfk
[18:55] <fsphil> ooch
[18:55] <DL1SGP> fsphil: seems like the mid-german team is getting receivers online :)
[18:55] <fsphil> the pi seems steady at -33c
[18:56] <M0CJM_Neil> http://i.imgur.com/MA6oDeo.jpg
[18:56] <fsphil> ah ha, I see a few stations in northern germany too
[18:56] <fsphil> it'll pass very close to them
[18:57] <gonzo___> noticed that the spacenear does not give the telem params at a point when you click on the track. Is that intended?
[18:57] <ibanezmatt13> I've lost it. Fading away no
[18:57] <ibanezmatt13> w
[18:57] <fsphil> it might be too close to you
[18:57] <ibanezmatt13> Nah, I live in Wigan
[18:58] <chrisstubbs> gonzo___, It should do, but no longer works if you click the balloon
[18:58] <chrisstubbs> try refereshing
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> -73C at 16km
[18:58] <fsphil> -34c
[18:58] <fsphil> inside the box
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> blimey
[18:59] <fsphil> I have no idea how accurate that is
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> Batteries should be OK
[18:59] <fsphil> it's a build in temperature sensor
[18:59] <fsphil> built*
[18:59] <gonzo___> chrisstubbs, it occasioanlly works on the track. But mainly tries to drag the map around. (running Firefox)
[19:00] <chrisstubbs> Its all very buggy since the gmapsv3 update
[19:00] <fsphil> buggy and slow
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[19:02] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: you reckon there's anything I can do with that: http://pbrd.co/1fTuU70 ?
[19:02] <fsphil> ah there, that last image has some streetlights
[19:02] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: your filter is too narrow
[19:02] <fsphil> your filter is much too small ibanezmatt13
[19:02] <fsphil> narrow even :)
[19:02] <ibanezmatt13> how do I adjust that? :/
[19:02] <mm0lgs> hi what is qrg for orion?
[19:02] <G8APZ> Just to be clear ...is the plain carrier in between the tones? it seems to be on the HF tone
[19:03] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: try 450 or 460 shift with 300 hz filter bandwidth
[19:03] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[19:03] <fsphil> the idle carrier is the upper tone, the stop bit
[19:03] <S_Mark> Hello, can someone approve flight doc 10655453e558bb16f368015f4439fe49 please
[19:03] <fsphil> or right hand tone if you're in USB
[19:04] <ibanezmatt13> I'm in USB. So should I tick RV?
[19:04] <fsphil> no
[19:04] <gonzo___> Currently high tone is at 434.64792
[19:05] <fsphil> just hit autoconfigure
[19:05] <fsphil> it should set everything to what you need
[19:05] <ibanezmatt13> mikestir: bandwidth filter thing is set to 300, 450 shift, getting little bits here and there. Found -33 somewhere in the stuff
[19:05] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try
[19:05] <ibanezmatt13> where's aucontofigure?
[19:06] <mm0lgs> tnx
[19:06] <ibanezmatt13> I'm terrible at radio :P
[19:06] <fsphil> top right
[19:06] <ibanezmatt13> ah got it
[19:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> fsphil: is this urs ??
[19:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> orion
[19:06] <fsphil> Herman-PB0AHX: yep :)
[19:06] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: auto config set shift to 600, seems miles out from the yellow lines
[19:06] <fsphil> that's normal ibanezmatt13
[19:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> sound is ok nut u forgot the lamp switch on hihihi lol
[19:07] <ibanezmatt13> oh
[19:07] <fsphil> lol
[19:07] <fsphil> it would need a heck of a flash at 31km
[19:07] <fsphil> we should totally do it
[19:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> but i writing data for u
[19:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> ibanezmatt13: I just set my shift to 420 and I'm getting most of the packets and telemetry. Have you got your AFC on?
[19:07] <ibanezmatt13> no
[19:07] <fsphil> yea you'll want afc
[19:08] <ibanezmatt13> sorry yes it's on
[19:08] <fsphil> it does seem to drift a little to one side when I have AFC on
[19:08] <fsphil> not sure what that's about
[19:08] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: what receiver are you using?
[19:08] <fsphil> you'll get mostly garbled text while it's sending an image
[19:08] <ibanezmatt13> Alinco DJX10
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[19:08] <fsphil> and it is only sending text strings every 50 seconds or so
[19:09] <es5nhc> BTW... there is a SSDV viewer also available, I think from the View menu... and it shows a message when it detected a packet
[19:09] <es5nhc> it = the main window
[19:09] <es5nhc> that's what I observed when playing around internally
[19:10] <fsphil> the decode bar will go green on decoding an ssdv packet
[19:10] <G8APZ> Or not in my case!!
[19:10] <fsphil> the newer versions also print a message in the decode window
[19:12] <Andrew_M6GTG> 30km away and no signal... don't you just love antenna nulls! ;-)
[19:13] <gonzo___> you must be standing on tip toes then, as it's about 31km high
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[19:13] <fsphil> shame I didn't put an LED on this one
[19:13] <fsphil> the next one will
[19:13] <fsphil> though I bet it's cloudy there
[19:13] <gonzo___> a down pointing cam could have been interesting, if on a clear night
[19:13] <G8APZ> Decoding RTTY isn't my game.... I'd take up fishing in preference!
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[19:14] <Andrew_M6GTG> fsphil: Y
[19:14] <Andrew_M6GTG> yes it is cloudy,
[19:14] <fsphil> I think that's why it's not showing too many lights on the ground
[19:15] <fsphil> wonder if it's possible to have two CSI cameras, and switch between them
[19:15] <mfa298> there was some clearer sky here earlier, just in the right place for the sun to shine straight into your eyes when driving down the road.
[19:15] <fsphil> one down and one out the side
[19:15] <Andrew_M6GTG> almost directly overhead at the moment ;-)
[19:15] <Andrew_M6GTG> I got a huge million candle power torch,... i'll shine it up ;-)
[19:16] <fsphil> oooh
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[19:16] <fsphil> I was going to suggest a laser but that'll get you arrested :)
[19:16] <gonzo___> played with an aircraft spotting torch once. 28V pluggged into a .mil landrover acc port. It almost stalled the engine when it lit up
[19:17] <gonzo___> we were lighting up the plog helicopter with it. After all, he was doing the same to us
[19:18] <gonzo___> (how times change, would et arrested for that too these days)
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[19:19] <Rob_m0dts> if i knew where to point a 10W LED plus fresnel lens would give it something to think about :-)
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[19:20] <iain_g4sgx> No tracking for me this winter, my mast is down. Will encourage me to finish my tracker board though, too many projects..
[19:20] <fsphil> shame the Pi can't do long exposures
[19:21] <mikestir> can you not get at the raw bayer data?
[19:21] <Andrew_M6GTG> just been out to check and it is cloudy... did shine the searchlight up.. lol
[19:21] <es5nhc> How does the PI output the image?
[19:21] <es5nhc> Perhaps add multiple raw images together?
[19:21] <fsphil> stacking would be possible
[19:21] <fsphil> there is an option to dump the raw bayer data
[19:22] <mikestir> you'd have to do a dark cal as well, although I guess that's one advantage of being at -30
[19:22] <mikestir> hot pixels probably aren't so hot
[19:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> how much power the Orion got a good signal from him
[19:22] <fsphil> 10mw
[19:22] <fsphil> it's an ntx2
[19:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> wow congrats
[19:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> nice job
[19:24] <fsphil> it's floating a good bit lower than I expected
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[19:25] <arko> fsphil: woah floating at 31000m
[19:25] <fsphil> heading for Skegness
[19:25] <arko> im so use to seeing 8000m :P
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[19:26] <arko> beautiful flight so far!
[19:26] <G8APZ> That's as close to Skeggy that you want to go!!
[19:26] <fsphil> lol
[19:26] <fsphil> yes this is a proper balloon :)
[19:26] <arko> :)
[19:26] <daveake> There was a big altitude differece between the Upu's flight and mine, launched at the same time and were supposed to have the same free lift
[19:26] <fsphil> that's right
[19:26] <arko> did you do a night launch?
[19:27] <fsphil> this was launched at about mid-day
[19:27] <fsphil> it's just really slow
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[19:28] <fsphil> there's going to be so many night images
[19:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> -34 brbrbrbr
[19:29] <fsphil> frozen pi
[19:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes for sure
[19:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Due Nortrh of me
[19:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> North even!
[19:29] <sv1ljj> fsphil: what about remaining power???
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[19:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Damm I'll have to swing the beams right round ...
[19:30] <G8APZ> I managed 3 decodes of something ... maybe SSDV very disappointing
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[19:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> bearing from me to orion is 292.1deg and distance is 347 km
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[19:33] <fsphil> good range
[19:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> if the camera is sensitive enougth would it be worth going to full res of the camera after dark I wonder , better chance of seeing indivdual pixels of light ?
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[19:34] <G8APZ> Is anyone using only the auto-configure?
[19:35] <fsphil> I did
[19:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes i did
[19:35] <fsphil> worked up until it was about 300km away
[19:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> The auto config doesn't adjust the Receive bandwidth does it however ?
[19:35] <G8APZ> It doesn't work for me.... sigs down to +7dB/n now,
[19:36] <Laurenceb_> how long will the battery on irion last?
[19:36] <PE2G> The freq drift down has slowed a bit, I think
[19:36] <DL1SGP> 24h-ish according to info from fsphil
[19:37] <es5nhc> Does that account for all this cold, particularly overnight?
[19:37] <es5nhc> Methinks faint city lights caught on image 121
[19:37] <fsphil> untested
[19:38] <es5nhc> Make that image 121 onwards
[19:38] <fsphil> there are a few ground features. difficult to say what or where they are
[19:38] <DL1SGP> will try to do some image processing on them later
[19:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: wij zijn de enige hollanders die schrijven hihihi lol
[19:39] <DL1SGP> heh Herman-PB0AHX
[19:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> u are german hihi
[19:39] <es5nhc> "We are the only Dutch who write hihihi lol"?
[19:39] <Laurenceb_> theres the moon in some early shots
[19:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> wo translate
[19:40] <Laurenceb_> i cnat see anything?
[19:40] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: All busy with Sinterklaas preparations?
[19:40] <S_Mark> awesome images fsphil
[19:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes tomorrow sinterklaas
[19:40] <S_Mark> sunset
[19:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> 3 kleinkinderen
[19:40] <fsphil> Laurenceb_: that was venus
[19:40] <es5nhc> Moon won't rise for a while
[19:40] <Laurenceb_> nice
[19:41] <Laurenceb_> zoom lens?
[19:41] <fsphil> pi camera, standard lens
[19:41] <darkstar-2001> Might pick up Jupiter?
[19:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> There are a few odd pixels of light that vary between images but I can't make anything of them
[19:42] <es5nhc> Here in Estonia the moonrise tomorrow is 0246 UTC
[19:42] <es5nhc> *Laguja, Estonia
[19:42] <fsphil> yea the jpeg encoding is a bit poor
[19:42] <fsphil> it doesn't work well on faint objects
[19:42] <Laurenceb_> you upping the contrast?
[19:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup stretching to the limit
[19:43] <fsphil> it takes a slightly longer exposure at night
[19:43] Action: Laurenceb_ fires up gimp
[19:43] <fsphil> not long enough it seems
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> are you using night vision mode?
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> theres an API for all this
[19:43] <fsphil> yea, raspistill's -ex night mode
[19:43] <es5nhc> More lights showing up on 127
[19:44] <fsphil> there seems to be some cloud covering most of the uk atm
[19:44] <fsphil> so that won't be helping
[19:45] <Andrew_M6GTG> Should be plenty of lights at Skeggy if the cloud clears
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[19:46] <fsphil> nice pattern of lights in that last image
[19:47] <fsphil> I wonder if that can be matched to a map
[19:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> orion is comming to me now 323 km from me
[19:47] <fsphil> shame there's no thunderstorms nearby
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> $ raspistill --no-clouds
[19:48] <fsphil> mmm
[19:49] <es5nhc> Q: Wouldn't be the JPEG quality degraded anyways when encoding into SSDV format?
[19:49] <fsphil> a line of lights in that last one
[19:49] <fsphil> depends on how the jpeg was encoded es5nhc
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[19:49] <Andrew_M6GTG> taps his screen... what lights? ;-)
[19:49] <ibanezmatt13> Bit chilly there S_Mark :)
[19:49] <fsphil> if the source jpeg uses the same quantisation table as SSDV does, then the encoding will be lossless
[19:49] <x-f> i see only black images :)
[19:50] <es5nhc> Ahhaa
[19:50] <S_Mark> lol where ibanezmatt13?
[19:50] <fsphil> it's near the coast now
[19:51] <ibanezmatt13> S_Mark: On spacenear. SD3 reads -127 C
[19:51] <S_Mark> haha
[19:51] <S_Mark> yeah
[19:51] <fsphil> lol
[19:51] <S_Mark> thats a good point actually, better test that!
[19:51] <ibanezmatt13> yep :)
[19:51] <es5nhc> And altitude of 187 m... Gosh, it's The Day After Tomorrow... lol!
[19:51] <ibanezmatt13> lol
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[19:52] <ibanezmatt13> long trip over the sea for Orion, hope it gets to EU ok
[19:53] <es5nhc> Mainland EU should be in LOS frankly, I think
[19:53] <es5nhc> And what's with SP9UOB's track?!
[19:53] <DL7AD> www.db0lds.de finishing aprs digipeater in berlin today :)
[19:54] <x-f> it has a bug - 12.0111 is transmitted as 12.111
[19:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its the old leading 0 problem for the fraction of the decimal, he's fixed on the ground version but doesn't have a way to upload
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[19:56] <DL7AD> oh i think ORIONs camera failed this evening....
[19:56] <DL7AD> evening
[19:56] <fsphil> no it's fine, just really dark up there
[19:57] <DL7AD> fsphil: ah up there its dark? we have sunshine here :D
[19:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ouch the processor is at -35.2C
[19:58] <fsphil> yea I'm a bit worried about that
[19:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> that must be quite a lot cooler elsewhere!
[19:59] <DL7AD> is there a webpage for ORION?
[19:59] <fsphil> not yet
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[19:59] <fsphil> I'm not terribly good at maintaining a blog or site :)
[20:00] <x-f> a short update on the mailing list at least? :)
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[20:00] <DL7AD> does ORION have an raspberry?
[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> it would be nice also to be able to record pan tilt & roll of camera then we could work out where the camera was pointing at night ;-)
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[20:01] <fsphil> it's a raspberry pi model a
[20:01] <M0CJM_Neil> Going to move away from HAB for 15 mins, and try Funcube 1 decode in next few minutes
[20:01] <DL7AD> fsphil: does it have batteries?
[20:02] <DL7AD> fsphil: *rechargeable
[20:02] <fsphil> they're not rechargable
[20:02] <fsphil> I don't think any rechargable would survive -30
[20:03] <DL7AD> fsphil: how long is it supposed to survive whith the batteries?
[20:03] <fsphil> between 20 and 24 hours
[20:03] <fsphil> if it behaves
[20:04] <bbjunkie_> brb
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[20:04] <Rob_m0dts> need something like this to find where camera points..
[20:04] <Rob_m0dts> http://transition-robotics.com/collections/autopilots/products/aspirin-imu-v2-1-6dom
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[20:04] <sv1ljj> lets hope to land before it runs out of battery!!!
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[20:06] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: ping
[20:06] <fsphil> a star tracker would be excellent
[20:06] <fsphil> but the Pis camera just isn't sensitive enough for that
[20:07] <fsphil> or would need a much better lens
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[20:10] <fsphil> there's a very faint trace on my waterfall still
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[20:12] <SP6RYD> Hi All
[20:12] <LeoBodnar> yo Laurenceb_
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> hey
[20:13] <SP6RYD> ORION QRG ?
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> i looked at lipo cells
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> heat capacity is only ~1.1g/K/Gram
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> so you only have ~6hours at >-30C
[20:13] <M0CJM_Neil> Sod all heard on funcube 1 pass
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> looks like you need to add some thermal mass
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[20:13] <LeoBodnar> Or generate heat internally
[20:14] <Laurenceb_> tho, apparently some of the transparent aerogels are better insulators
[20:14] <Laurenceb_> yeah, or that
[20:14] <Andrew_M6GTG> M0CJM_Neil: Was very faint here.. only 14 degrees so not unexpected, next one is 75 degrees, the transponder was audible
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> Wasting 30% of energy on heating makes sense
[20:14] <Laurenceb_> 5ma continually from the lipo would keep it above -30C
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> Because at the moment it just sits at -50C doing nowt
[20:15] <Laurenceb_> at -60C ambient
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> Self heating the battery is easy - short circuit it
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> Delvers heat right where it needed most
[20:15] <SP6RYD> Leo Congratulations isn't B-32 first in Africa :-)
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> Thanks SP6RYD not the first balloon though
[20:16] <Laurenceb_> what is the mean current from the lipo atm?
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> 5-10mA
[20:16] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[20:16] <G8APZ> Orion QRG is 434.646 with signal centred on 1500Hz
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> But it mostly heats up the TX chip.
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> Battery needs to be short circuited to heat itself
[20:17] <Laurenceb_> if you could keep it at 10mA
[20:17] <SP6RYD> Tnx We are waiting :-)
[20:17] <Laurenceb_> i was modelling the whole board
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> We are not bothered about silicon temperatures, they can sustain -50C
[20:17] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> apart from maybe TCXO
[20:17] <Laurenceb_> how big is the battery?
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[20:18] <LeoBodnar> 7x10x41
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> It almost deserves it's own compartment
[20:20] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[20:21] <Laurenceb_> interesting - i wonder if its better to heat battery or transmit more often
[20:21] <G8APZ> Orion should be heard in DL/ON/PA/F/OZ but where are the trackers? Only 1 F and 1 PA on the HABHUB map
[20:22] <M0CJM_Neil> Andrew_M6GTG Sorry Andrew only just noticed your message to me re funcube! I will try the next pass in just over an hour! I wasnt holding out much hope for that last pass
[20:22] <es5nhc> station's not on?
[20:22] <es5nhc> stations*
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[20:23] <LeoBodnar> Good design extracts most energy from battery without losses and in a sense counterproductive in this particular case
[20:23] <Andrew_M6GTG> is Orion following the prediction? they may not be aware it is coming their way?
[20:23] <es5nhc> Time to ring alarms in North Sea/Baltic Sea region?õ
[20:24] <Andrew_M6GTG> M0CJM_Neil: No problem, hope you have more success on next pass ;-)
[20:24] <x-f> i posted information about Orion on Latvian and Polish forums two hours ago
[20:25] <fsphil> thanks!
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: so battery with a 1cm thick spaceloft blanket uses 150mAh / 12 hours to stay at +30C
[20:25] <M0CJM_Neil> Andrew_M6GTG Yeah, be nice to atleast decode it once but only have a vertical anenna on roof. Tomorrow morning has a pretty good pass plus be on higher power as in sunlight
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> entire PCB with 2cm spaceloft uses 10mA continually from the Tx etc to stay warm
[20:26] <LeoBodnar> spaceloft thingy then
[20:26] <LeoBodnar> I wonder if it can be scale-tested in the freezer
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> you think around the battery or the whole thing?
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> sounds like a plan
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> the air pressure doesnt effect it
[20:27] <LeoBodnar> battery has a smaller surface area
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> but you can't use the power usefully :P
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> to TX
[20:27] <LeoBodnar> true, you can recycle power wasted by electronics
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> I want to try short-circuit self-heating
[20:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> so i am back with writing orion
[20:28] <Laurenceb_> battery only uses about 2grams of spaceloft, whole thing is 6grams
[20:29] <LeoBodnar> Double layer then
[20:29] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[20:29] <LeoBodnar> Is it hygroscopic?
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> as the insulation gets thicker it becomes less effective
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> i dont know
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> as the surface area gets larger
[20:30] <LeoBodnar> hmm
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[20:30] <LeoBodnar> will compression kill it?
[20:30] <LeoBodnar> e.g. inside heat shrink tube
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[20:31] <M0CJM_Neil> Goodness me, just been out into garden, think its -30 out there to!!
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[20:32] <fsphil> lol
[20:32] <G8APZ> Now I'm successfully loading telemetry and picture blocks, the pics are all black!!
[20:32] <Laurenceb_> spaceloft is not a good name according to fsphil
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[20:32] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: i dont know, i dont really understand it
[20:32] <Laurenceb_> they seem to be claiming its aerogel based
[20:33] <Laurenceb_> but it looks like fibre
[20:33] <fsphil> G8APZ: sorry about that :) I'll do something next time to enhance the night time images a bit
[20:33] <LeoBodnar> aerogel blocks are said to be compressible and brittle at the same time
[20:33] <G8APZ> fsphil maybe it's wasting battery!!
[20:33] <fsphil> not much
[20:33] <Laurenceb_> http://www.aerogel.com/Aspen_Aerogels_Spaceloft.pdf
[20:34] <fsphil> the camera doesn't use much power at all
[20:34] <Laurenceb_> its def flexible
[20:34] <Andrew_M6GTG> fsphil: great coast to coast flight.. hope it makes it land ;-)
[20:34] <Andrew_M6GTG> to land..
[20:35] Action: DL1SGP crosses fingers
[20:35] <DL1SGP> what is current freq?
[20:35] <G8APZ> You could compress the data at the moment into about 10 bytes!!
[20:35] <G8APZ> They are all the same!!
[20:36] <fsphil> jpeg does handle dark pretty well :)
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> "COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH Robustness of Spaceloft offers installation advantages."
[20:36] <G8APZ> 434.646 with centre at 1500Hz
[20:36] <DL1SGP> thanks G8APZ
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> G8APZ: if you use variable length encoding then it is only a single bit
[20:37] <G8APZ> well yes!!
[20:37] <LeoBodnar> As it's the most frequent data so far :D
[20:37] <Andrew_M6GTG> Anyone know where to get that software they use in CSI where they just click enhance and a picture appears? ;-)
[20:37] <G8APZ> I was thinking a byte to define colour and some to say how many of them
[20:38] <Laurenceb_> you need a G.U.I. in VISUAL BASIC
[20:38] <G8APZ> Andrew_M6GTG it isn't that advanced, the characters on their screens come out as fast as a typwriter!
[20:38] <LeoBodnar> You need Visual Basic Pro for this stuff
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> G8APZ: of 50 baud RTTY
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> *or
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> But we got no funding, chief
[20:39] <G8APZ> Plus you need an escape char to define where the count is
[20:40] <G8APZ> Orion sigs are remarkably stable
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[20:42] <Kaiser121> Hello!
[20:42] <Kaiser121> eroomde
[20:43] <Kaiser121> Who is online?
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> What's up with SP9UOB altitude profile? Is it a micro-leak?
[20:43] <M0CJM_Neil> Kaiser121 I am :-)
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> And me
[20:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> and 194 others at this moment
[20:43] <Kaiser121> Can i ask you some questions?
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> maybe a faulty valve?
[20:43] <DL1SGP> I am online too!
[20:44] <Kaiser121> What i need to launch a baloon
[20:44] <Kaiser121> Except the BalooN
[20:44] <Kaiser121> XD
[20:44] <fsphil> I see a flaw in your plan
[20:45] <Kaiser121> What i need?
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> Balloon, some (usually) lighter than air gas inside it, payload, string.
[20:46] <fsphil> parachute ideally
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[20:46] <Kaiser121> Ok, I would launch one for a school project
[20:46] <Kaiser121> I think that hwoyee 1000 should fit my requirements
[20:47] <Kaiser121> I'm planning to put in the payload only a camera and a Gps
[20:47] <fsphil> 1000g balloons are pretty popular
[20:47] <G8APZ> You also need £ or ¬
[20:47] <Kaiser121> How much?
[20:47] <Kaiser121> XD
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: what is the lipo capacity ?
[20:47] <G8APZ> Pay for He or H gas
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> Kaiser121: where in the world are you?
[20:47] <Kaiser121> Yes only 3 L
[20:47] <Kaiser121> Italy
[20:48] <LeoBodnar> 190mAh currently
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> going to be hard to keep that warm
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> i calculate 150mAh over the night
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> I should get custom made low temp LiPos in a few weeks. They are leaving factory this weekend.
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> oh nice
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> thats really impressive
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> Let's see if they are any different
[20:49] <G8APZ> Not from the same place that Boeing got them?
[20:49] <fsphil> hah
[20:50] <LeoBodnar> Lol no, but I can share a few
[20:50] Action: SpeedEvil wonders idly if this is the prototype mass production run.
[20:50] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar The Boeing batteries would solve the heating problem!
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> 30000 balloons launched and going for global domination.
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> http://rarenergia.com.br/
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[20:50] <Laurenceb_> wtfffffffffff
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/Orion_20131130/index.php?ind=4
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> ?! Is it a tidal energy thing?
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> supposedly its a "free" energy thing
[20:52] <fsphil> looks like a giant pair of tweezers Geoff-G8DHE
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> zero point energy or some crap
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[20:52] <Laurenceb_> looks bonkers to me
[20:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> hey anyone has contact to "westside" ?
[20:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> There going to snap closed around the UK
[20:53] <LeoBodnar> Secret energy conspiracy revealed! what governments don't what you to know
[20:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Actually no its a dental pick about to scratch where it lifted off from!
[20:53] <LeoBodnar> ORION sliced Britain in half
[20:53] <DJ3AK> try 425 Hz shift
[20:54] <qyx_> Laurenceb_: lol
[20:54] <M0CJM_Neil> To be honest I am pleasently suprised how clear ORION is coming through considering its power and diatance from me!
[20:55] <Kaiser121> Who can help me to make a list of things that i need to launch a balloon and reach 33 km?
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:pre_launch_checklist
[20:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> 3-03km for me and a solid signa;
[20:55] <fsphil> Kaiser121: I'd suggest reading the ukhas wiki, it has lots of good info
[20:55] <Kaiser121> ok
[20:55] <M0CJM_Neil> 300.7km for me
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> It floats so nicely, I hope the Sun won't come up tomorrow
[20:56] <fsphil> just a faint hint of a signal on my waterfall
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> But I need some sunlight for B-32
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> Kaiser121: http://ukhas.org.uk/frontpage:guides
[20:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> You should get plenty over Africa, LeoBodnar!
[20:57] <G8APZ> 206km range here with a dipole +11dB/n
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[21:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> OT - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/28/i-am-spartacus-prank-starbucks_n_4356082.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false
[21:04] <fsphil> ah cool, just noticed -- Earth's shadow: http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-11-30--16-38-02-ORION-670.jpeg
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Just reached the end! They are building a bigger one "USA Engine exclusively using gravity energy" wtf?
[21:05] <Kaiser121> fsphil
[21:06] <Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2013/11/30/gravity-powered-generator-real-or-fake/#comments
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[21:09] <M0CJM_Neil> Right I am off guys and girls, night
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[21:10] <LeoBodnar> http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/wontwork.jpg
[21:11] <Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/29/aussie_boffins_use_radiating_youth_rock_to_track_space_debris/
[21:11] <Laurenceb_> DarkSide?
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[21:14] <G8APZ> Will not be long before Orion heard in SP land
[21:15] <fsphil> it's amazing how steady these floats can be
[21:15] <fsphil> I'm not seeing any detail on the ground now
[21:16] <G8APZ> Orion staying at 31200 for hours!!
[21:16] <G8APZ> There isn't any ground Fsphil
[21:16] <G8APZ> fsphil
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> Do gravity waves exist at 30km?
[21:17] <fsphil> amsterdam should be close enough to see some lights
[21:17] <fsphil> unless it's cloudy over there too
[21:17] <Kaiser121> fsphil
[21:17] <Kaiser121> you got a PM
[21:18] <fsphil> I can't read PMs while mobile
[21:18] <Kaiser121> ok
[21:18] <fsphil> ask in here
[21:18] <Kaiser121> ok
[21:18] <Kaiser121> i've red some guides
[21:19] <Kaiser121> But i still don't understand
[21:19] <Kaiser121> if electronic equipment is needed
[21:19] <x-f> LeoBodnar, Darkside said, he's seen them on some Horus flights
[21:19] <Kaiser121> (i want take only some pictures and make a video)
[21:19] <fsphil> well you'll need some way to track it
[21:19] <fsphil> or you won't get your camera back :)
[21:20] <Kaiser121> Yes a Gps and a camera
[21:20] <Kaiser121> I have to put in the payload only these two things?
[21:20] <LeoBodnar> Maybe due to overall larger scale the bobbing looks smaller at 31km than at say 7km cruise altitude
[21:21] <LeoBodnar> Batteries may come useful
[21:21] <fsphil> the variation seems to be a few hundred metres
[21:21] <Kaiser121> i'm right fsphil?
[21:22] <Kaiser121> And how much should cost an hwoyee 1000?
[21:22] <fsphil> if you're confident the tracker will work, and your camera will take pictures automatically
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[21:24] <LeoBodnar> Kaiser121: this is main UK HAB supplies shop http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
[21:24] <G8APZ> Still no DL trackers decoding
[21:24] <bbjunkie_> DJ3AK is decoding it
[21:25] <LeoBodnar> This is enigmatic
[21:25] <Kaiser121> Thanks leo
[21:25] <G8APZ> I see DJ3AK now
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[21:28] <qyx_> it would be great if some ufo appeared on ssdv images
[21:29] <fsphil> oh I've got a signal again
[21:29] <bbjunkie_> G8APZ - actually, DJ3AF is quite far East
[21:29] <db_g6gzh> I've never been as successful with decoding SSDV before and it's all just black 8-)
[21:29] <fsphil> faint but audable
[21:29] <bbjunkie> lol db_g6gzh
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[21:30] <fsphil> annoyingly it may be out of range before sunrise
[21:30] <db_g6gzh> but successfully decoded black
[21:30] <G8APZ> bbjunkie_ I can't see his icon on map
[21:31] <fsphil> ah, this image has some lights
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[21:32] <bbjunkie_> he's near hamburg
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[21:32] <G8APZ> fsphil what are they?
[21:32] <bbjunkie_> sorry, hanover- just east of Hanover
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[21:32] <fsphil> it'll be street lights G8APZ
[21:33] <G8APZ> fsphil in North Sea?
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[21:33] <fsphil> probably a coastline
[21:33] <G8APZ> N Sea gas rigs?
[21:33] <tjanos> fsphil: what is the number of your image, has streetlight?
[21:34] <fsphil> 173
[21:34] <fsphil> it's little more than a line of blocks
[21:34] <fsphil> 174 has a few aswell
[21:34] <fsphil> roughly the same shape
[21:34] <fsphil> so probably the same place
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[21:36] <tjanos> I dont understand, how its work: I see at the top-right the counter: Ricived x packet, but all the pictures conains only 12 packets
[21:36] <G8APZ> current one is 618 I think
[21:36] <tjanos> received*
[21:36] <fsphil> "Received x packets" doesn't take into account duplicates
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[21:37] <Laurenceb_> this SSDV is getting boring
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> SSBI
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> slow scan black image
[21:39] <fsphil> get out a laser pen
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[21:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> We Demand UFO's
[21:39] <G8APZ> fsphil you need santa claus overlay when pic is black!
[21:39] <es5nhc> Shoulda put a visible LED on the outside, would've triggered a flurry of UFO reports ;)
[21:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its not even December yet!
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> S_Mark, take notes ^^
[21:39] <arko> fsphil: you think it's going to pop before the battery dies?
[21:40] <es5nhc> Well, over here it is 20 minutes left until first Advent
[21:40] <S_Mark> ha
[21:40] <G8APZ> A floater at 31k3 - is that a first?
[21:40] <S_Mark> g8apz... Tomorrow is your lucky day for Santa
[21:40] <G8APZ> Stratodean?
[21:40] <daveake> We've had floaters up to 40km before
[21:40] <S_Mark> http://www.stratodean.co.uk
[21:40] <fsphil> there have been higher floaters
[21:41] <S_Mark> Yep we are sat in our christmas jumpers as we speak
[21:41] <fsphil> arko: probably not, I think it may survive sunrise and float another day
[21:41] <fsphil> it's low enough
[21:41] <fsphil> there should be plenty of stretch left in the balloon
[21:41] <arko> aw
[21:41] <arko> still awesome
[21:41] <S_Mark> https://twitter.com/stratodean/status/406408329876217856/photo/1
[21:41] <fsphil> should've stuck a pava on there
[21:41] <arko> hah
[21:41] <arko> o well
[21:41] <arko> had some great images
[21:41] <daveake> that's the other part of my plan
[21:42] <daveake> power down the pi at night and run an avr instead
[21:42] <G8APZ> Ooh - I see Rudolph has a rednose LED!
[21:42] <fsphil> cunning
[21:42] <S_Mark> Indeed
[21:43] <G8APZ> Comic Relief!
[21:43] <S_Mark> thats a clear LED painted with nail varnish - perks of living with a girl now
[21:43] <S_Mark> ha
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> S_Mark, XD!!!
[21:47] <fsphil> shame they don't make red LEDs ;)
[21:47] <sa6bss> Here is a fun 10min clip from 99 things to do, in this episode they "send something to space" balloon with camera and gps tracking :) http://www.tv6play.se/play/242132?autostart=true
[21:47] <G8APZ> Still +9db/n at 277km range
[21:49] <G8APZ> OZ1LRG just popped up in the map
[21:50] <fsphil> hehe, the scene of them hovering up polystyrene is so true
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> Spraybottle filled with water.
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> Use a very sharp narrow-bladed knife, and wipe it with sunflower oil.
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> You can reduce the mess to almost zero
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> Or - of course - hotwire or laser
[21:51] <sa6bss> if you wonder whats in the plastic bag - they sending a fart into space :)
[21:51] <x-f> ahem
[21:52] <G8APZ> sa6bss The last thing you need in a spacesuit!
[21:52] <sa6bss> indeed !! :)
[21:54] <oz1lrg> only got a dipole in the window, but trying. whats the exact Orion frequency? is 434.650 correct?
[21:55] <es5nhc> Orion near peak height so far... 31290 vs 31305
[21:56] <G8APZ> 434.646 with centre at 1500Hz
[21:56] <G8APZ> 288km range from here with dipole also +9dB/n
[21:56] <fsphil> sa6bss: that snow looks amazing
[21:56] <oz1lrg> thanks g8apz, will give it a go... :-)
[21:58] <G8APZ> fsphil anyone organised on recovery of this flight?
[21:59] <fsphil> no recovery
[21:59] <fsphil> I've no idea where it'll land
[21:59] <x-f> according to the prediction Orion will be over Belarus around sunrise
[21:59] <sa6bss> well, its a little too much for my liking, looks cool when the balloon bursts at 30900m!
[21:59] <Laurenceb_> http://thermablok.com/pdf/Thermablok%20Technical%20Data%2003242110.pdf
[22:00] <fsphil> hopefully still in radio range
[22:00] <x-f> irssi just said: Day changed to 01 Dec 2013
[22:00] <x-f> how come it's already December..?
[22:00] <G8APZ> fsphil ok - hope the tracker carries on giving location until landing time
[22:01] <LeoBodnar> I so miss snow driving
[22:01] <es5nhc> Yep. Happy 1st Advent, Eastern European time zone
[22:01] <G8APZ> Orion now at 300km and is still +13dB/n on a dipole!
[22:01] <LeoBodnar> I am worried about fart bag. It must have leaked at 31km
[22:01] <fsphil> 2 hours to go here
[22:02] <fsphil> I've not even a trace of Orion now
[22:02] <LeoBodnar> Still November here x-f
[22:02] <fsphil> it's turned its back on its creator :)
[22:02] <G8APZ> 434.646 centred on 1500Hz
[22:03] <G8APZ> elevation 4.6 from here
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[22:03] <LeoBodnar> Acoording to prediction it will do RTW and come back to you
[22:04] <fsphil> hah
[22:04] <fsphil> if it is some kind of super latex
[22:05] <DL1SGP> heh
[22:05] <LeoBodnar> Why all this stuff is in the US Laurenceb_ ?
[22:05] <Laurenceb_> cuz thats where they invented aerogel i guess
[22:06] <LeoBodnar> At least we have Marmite
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[22:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have you tried listening on the long path ?
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[22:15] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: i was just doing the maths - a water/antifreeze mix freezing at -25C has same energy density as Lipo
[22:15] <Laurenceb_> for heating
[22:16] <LeoBodnar> How about latent heat?
[22:16] <G8APZ> Getting near the time I lose Orion... packets not decoding at +4.5 elev
[22:16] <Laurenceb_> counting latent heat + 10C to -30C
[22:16] <LeoBodnar> k
[22:16] <DL1SGP> I am having a hard time right now, not sure if that is cause of heavy rain over here
[22:16] <LeoBodnar> so it's easier just to double battery size
[22:17] <Laurenceb_> but a 150mAh cell in 20mm insulation will only maintain a 30C delta T for 12hours
[22:17] <Laurenceb_> with no power output
[22:18] <LeoBodnar> hmm
[22:18] <Laurenceb_> two 7mm cells glued back to back might help a big
[22:18] <Laurenceb_> *bit
[22:18] <Laurenceb_> maybe 100mAh spare
[22:18] <G8APZ> DL1SGP Orion getting closer to you though
[22:19] <LeoBodnar> The batteries that I have ordered are slightly bigger and more of cuboid shape so have better surface area/volume ratio
[22:19] <DL1SGP> I know that G8APZ
[22:19] <Laurenceb_> that helps a lot
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> Why not just put the battery where it can get heated by the sun, and postpone charging till it's warm?
[22:19] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: i was thinking of that
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> Add some bubble-wrap over them
[22:19] <Laurenceb_> using transparent aerogel
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> Way overkill.
[22:19] <Laurenceb_> but i cant find transparent aerogel thats available with low thermal conductivity
[22:19] Action: SpeedEvil is currently playing with vacuum insulation.
[22:19] <LeoBodnar> It's discharging overnight which is a problem
[22:20] <LeoBodnar> at -50C and lower
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> no, you need really low thermal conductivity
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> for this to stand any chance of working
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[22:20] <LeoBodnar> yeah, otherwise you'll lose all generated heat in the matter of minutes
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[22:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00E1KF6C2 - however this may be too large for a pico
[22:21] <LeoBodnar> Hot tea on landing for recovery team! cool idea!
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> heat leak is of the order of 11W - and I think I can get that to 6.
[22:22] Action: SpeedEvil is planning on using as a micro thermal store for solar-pv.
[22:22] <LeoBodnar> And convert back into electricity or just keep as heat?
[22:22] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> For hot water.
[22:23] <Laurenceb_> i never thought of that one
[22:23] <Laurenceb_> about 0.5kWh in a thermos
[22:23] <LeoBodnar> You can store heat until we find an efficient way of using it in the future
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> I have 500W of panels.
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[22:23] <LeoBodnar> nice
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> The above - combined with an instant heater perhaps -would save significantly over the existing water tank.
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> Which leaks ~100W
[22:24] <LeoBodnar> DO they make thermos water tanks?
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: No.
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> I'm sort-of-kicking myself for not buying a 300l dewar that came up locally cheap
[22:25] <LeoBodnar> Go on Dragon's Den with this
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> It does get rather annoying at larger scales.
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> Making the outer shell not buckle is awkward, to keep it not heavy.
[22:26] <LeoBodnar> Submarine problem
[22:27] <Laurenceb_> ok so dual cells -> 8 grams overhead (4grams for extra cell + 4 grams insulation)
[22:27] <Laurenceb_> with maybe 100mAh to use overnight
[22:27] <LeoBodnar> So 6W drain for 500Wh storage? Not bad not bad!
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> single cell + water/antifreeze + 20mm wrap over entire payload
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> = 12 gram over head and 150mAh to use overnight
[22:28] <LeoBodnar> useable
[22:28] <LeoBodnar> I can make custom balloon for testing it
[22:29] <Laurenceb_> heh thats the same overhead/energy ratio
[22:29] <LeoBodnar> Or use dual one
[22:29] <Laurenceb_> water+ antifreeze has ~ same energy density as lipo
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> In principle a tiny thermos would work well.
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> However, blowing it may be fun.
[22:29] <LeoBodnar> Thermos is analogue and simple, that's what I like
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> wrapping the whole thing gives you "more effeciency"
[22:30] <Laurenceb_> as you make use of the wasted TX power
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> Good point.
[22:31] <Laurenceb_> aerogel seems to be midway between PU and vac panel
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> Aerogel granules are cheap
[22:33] <Laurenceb_> not as good as the spaceloft stuff
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.buyaerogel.com/product/lumira-aerogel-particles/
[22:33] <Laurenceb_> dunno how it works
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.buyaerogel.com/product/spaceloft-10-mm-cut-to-size/
[22:33] <Laurenceb_> yes
[22:34] <Laurenceb_> very cheap
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> 14mW/k is only a little better than PIR/PUR's 20mW/K
[22:34] <Laurenceb_> it drops at lower temperatures
[22:34] <Laurenceb_> yeah but that makes the difference here
[22:34] <Laurenceb_> as overnight heating is only borderline feasible
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> square/cube is annoying
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> that thermos should pay for itself after only ~100 uses
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.buyaerogel.com/product/airloy-x103/
[22:37] <Laurenceb_> also we care about insulation/density ratio
[22:37] <Laurenceb_> airloy has higher thermal conductivity
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.buyaerogel.com/product/heart/ - damn - that is neat.
[22:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/Orion_20131130/index.php?ind=5
[22:40] <fsphil> first flight of mine to reach the Netherlands
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:40] <fsphil> * that I know about
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[22:42] <G8APZ> fsphil can now only see traces of Orion... no more decodes - only +4dB/n
[22:43] <G8APZ> fsphil fun whilst it lasted, but now over to PA/DL/SP trackers!
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[22:44] <fsphil> thanks for tracking it!
[22:44] <LeoBodnar> congratulations fsphil , it's nice to fly over new countries now and then!
[22:44] <fsphil> it is :)
[22:44] <LeoBodnar> though I am running out
[22:45] <G8APZ> fsphil I only have a folded dipole so maybe I'll put a colinear and a 21 ele vertical yagi on the mast!
[22:45] <arko> fsphil: what balloon was this?
[22:45] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar There is still Monaco, Liechenstein, San Marino, Vatican City!!
[22:46] <LeoBodnar> They need some precision planning :D
[22:46] <G8APZ> and maybe Luxembourg!
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> deployable micro rogallos
[22:47] <es5nhc> OK... off for tonight. Good night everyone!
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[22:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> the pictures are stil dark no moon or stars :-(
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[22:48] <Laurenceb_> http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:ukhas_glider_project:pict7921.jpg?w=700
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> with a 2.5gram servo that should scale down
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[22:49] <LeoBodnar> Good 'ol american pico arko
[22:49] <LeoBodnar> 1600 Hwoyee
[22:49] <bbjunkie_> sq6nwi in warsaw picking up orion packets
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> insane
[22:49] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar I notice you named all your flights after USA WW2 bombers!!
[22:49] <bbjunkie_> well over horizon!!
[22:49] <es5nhc> whoa
[22:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> 468Km but starting to see occasional errors now, anyway leave it running and see sunrise when I get up!
[22:50] <G8APZ> B-32 Dominator
[22:50] <arko> oh wow
[22:50] <LeoBodnar> There are sub 1g servos Laurenceb_
[22:50] <arko> thats a big balloon
[22:50] <G8APZ> Geoff-G8DHE pretty impressive - I must put a better tracking antenna up!!
[22:50] <LeoBodnar> It just happened G8APZ
[22:51] <es5nhc> Which polarization the balloon is using?
[22:51] <G8APZ> LeoBodnar yes! Just don't fly B-47 towards Russia!!
[22:51] <Laurenceb_> massive yagi or something??
[22:51] <Laurenceb_> wait what was the range there
[22:52] <LeoBodnar> Vertical normally es5nhc - either dipole or 1/4 wave GP
[22:52] <es5nhc> OK, thanks. But now, good night...
[22:52] <LeoBodnar> Or J-pole
[22:52] <LeoBodnar> good night!
[22:52] <LeoBodnar> Or slim-jim
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[22:52] <LeoBodnar> all Vertical Pol
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> thats 1100Km O_o
[22:53] <fsphil> arko: hwoyee 1600g
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> ah remote
[22:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh spot of light on image 207 at the bottom
[22:53] <fsphil> ooh cool
[22:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> and 204
[22:54] <fsphil> same shape
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[22:54] <fsphil> possibly Amsterdam
[22:54] <G8APZ> Red Lights?
[22:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> You'll have to do an auto -exposure routine
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> red light district
[22:55] <G8APZ> yes
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[22:57] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: which of these blankets has the largest thermal resistance per unit of weight? I am a bit lost
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[22:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right I'm off - need the beauty sleep - afk
[22:58] <fsphil> g'nite!
[22:58] <Laurenceb_> i think the spaceloft
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[22:58] <LeoBodnar> gn!
[22:58] <SQ5NWI> bbjunkie_: I'm using Global Tuners in Netherlands, but first 4 packets forgot to adjust my callsign with "remote".
[22:59] <SQ5NWI> But here is a group listeners waiting for ORION :-)
[22:59] <fsphil> woo!
[22:59] <LeoBodnar> I can see it's available in 10mm depth
[22:59] Nick change: sa6bss -> SA6BSS
[23:01] <Andrew_M6GTG> fsphil: Signal very weak here, no more decodes, all the best with the flight as it continues on its way.. great evening of tracking, better than watching Strictly ;-)
[23:02] <fsphil> np. I appreciate the help :)
[23:02] <Laurenceb_> but anything is better than that
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[23:02] <Andrew_M6GTG> Laurenceb_: was bearable when Rachel was still on it
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[23:03] <G8APZ> Unbearable with Brucie on at any time!
[23:05] <bbjunkie_> image 213 has some odd pixeling at the top centre - perhaps some low light ?
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[23:07] <SP6RYD> Warming battery .........Have you considered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_warmer
[23:07] <Laurenceb_> itt: people stare at pixellated blobs
[23:08] <craag> SP6RYD: Not nearly as efficient per weight.
[23:08] <Laurenceb_> the supersaturated stuff seems interesting
[23:09] <Laurenceb_> but prob less energy
[23:09] <SP6RYD> it is powder but rather heavy but keep warm quite long time
[23:09] <fsphil> not sure bbjunkie_
[23:09] <fsphil> there shouldn't be any light at the top, other than aurora or starlight
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[23:09] <fsphil> or planets
[23:10] <sv1ljj> or UFO!!!
[23:10] <fsphil> oh I deleted those images
[23:10] <fsphil> forget I said that
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[23:10] <sv1ljj> hahahha
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[23:10] <bbjunkie_> so if my calculations are correct, approx 5hrs til sunrise
[23:10] <sv1ljj> goodnight ppl!!!
[23:11] <fsphil> nite sv1ljj
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[23:11] <fsphil> yea 5 hours seems about right
[23:11] <fsphil> the battery should still be good
[23:11] <gonzo___> now orion has gone out of range for me, I can get back to funcube telem. (Pass about to happen for UK)
[23:11] <fsphil> but it may be out of range
[23:12] <bbjunkie_> yeah fsphil :( may be ok.. have you calculated approx ground track speed ?
[23:13] <bbjunkie_> hopefully a lot of our SP friends are early birds and will be up at sunrise to track it
[23:14] <Darkside> woah B32 is using contestia
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[23:14] <Darkside> thats cool
[23:14] <Darkside> basically olivia
[23:14] <Darkside> but a little bit less FEC
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[23:15] <bbjunkie_> heading out to listen for funcube - back in 10-15
[23:15] <fsphil> 111.6km/h
[23:15] <Darkside> good lord
[23:15] <Darkside> this must mean that LeoBodnar implemented contestia in assembly
[23:15] <fsphil> lol
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[23:16] <fsphil> I always thought him a bit mad
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[23:20] <db_g6gzh> good night all, I'll leave the rig running to help with the black pixel collection
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[23:20] <bertrik> compresses really well I suppose
[23:21] <LeoBodnar> yes Darkside I did or what is left of me
[23:21] <LeoBodnar> Contestia has reduced char set which suits HAbs better than DominoEX with its massive alphabets
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[23:22] <fsphil> FEC in assembly is bad for your brain
[23:22] <LeoBodnar> somebody usually steps in with "we need a bleeding binary protocol already!" at that moment
[23:23] <LeoBodnar> WalshHadamard transforms and all that
[23:23] <qyx_> dsss \o/
[23:24] <LeoBodnar> gn db_g6gzh
[23:24] <qyx_> or any other spread spectrum
[23:24] <fsphil> dsss, the modulation for snakes
[23:27] <DL1SGP> PE2G ow Herman-PB0AHX bent je wakker?
[23:30] <bbjunkie_> bk
[23:30] <fsphil> re
[23:30] <bbjunkie_> rere
[23:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> yep
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[23:32] <DL1SGP> bedankt, PM :)
[23:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> DL1SGP: yes i waked up
[23:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> but i was short time writing FUNCUBE
[23:33] <DL1SGP> sent you a direct message herman :)
[23:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> DL1SGP: i see
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[23:39] <SP6RYD> It would be possible to use other DominoEX variocode to encode information for HAB but the frame would not be human readable and it would be necessary to change the procedure for parsing the data on the server side
[23:41] <SP6RYD> ROS modem looks nice but it is not free and close
[23:42] <bbjunkie_> brb
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[23:48] <PE2G> DL1SGP: Still awake, sorry for my late reply
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[23:55] <S_Mark> sorry for the ultra noob question but it's getting late - neck lift - cant remember if we include the payload weight or not in the calc, for the additional weight we need to add whilst filling
[23:55] <S_Mark> ?
[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> neck lift ist the mass you hook to the balloon fill tube which has to be lifted off
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[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> and you need to have the payload mass to find out that number
[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> for the online calc for example
[23:57] <LeoBodnar> neck lift is without payload
[23:59] <DL1SGP> decoding now, switched over to FCD as decoder feeding FLdigi via VAC and eliminating some QRM through notches
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