highaltitude.log.20131129

[00:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> well nothing seen now for 25 minutes so I'll leave it running over night and see what comes. I've a recording of the audio and data for the whole flight so see what gives.
[00:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> oh pips are back
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[00:01] <LeoBodnar> Thanks Geoff-G8DHE
[00:01] <LeoBodnar> What's the general impression of Contestia ?
[00:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks good to date but difficult to compare given the change in p[ower level and just got that frame OK no problems 16/1000
[00:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> what would be a good comparison would be to rotate around all the modes to compare!
[00:04] <LeoBodnar> good point, I might do it for the next flight
[00:04] <LeoBodnar> I thought I'd get the ball rolling bringing FEC kicking and screaming into snus protocols
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[00:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've also changed aerials since last flight so now have the 19ele beam back in use rather than just colinear
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[00:06] <jcoxon> hmmm we are going to have issues over france i suspect
[00:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think the RSID has the most promise I could envisage several modes with maybe different lengths of data short for slow modes
[00:06] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250717039247
[00:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> and lonf=ger for faster modes
[00:06] <SpeedEvil> Never go full retard.
[00:06] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, haha
[00:06] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE, good work on those data points
[00:07] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:07] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, is your aprs geofencing based on upu's?
[00:08] <LeoBodnar> no
[00:08] <Laurenceb_> omg i need that valve
[00:10] <jcoxon> does it take into account the whole of france? as in once it hits spain or the med it'll kick back in?
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[00:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right I'm for sleep see you in the morning night all...
[00:13] <LeoBodnar> yes it will, the boundaries are a bit rough as I did not want to get too meticulous with the coastline
[00:14] <LeoBodnar> gn Geoff-G8DHE
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[00:18] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, i'll leave the aprs script running
[00:18] <jcoxon> see where it pops up if we lose track of it
[00:18] <LeoBodnar> cheers James
[00:19] <DL1SGP> good night folks :) enjoy following the float and see you again in a few
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[00:21] <LeoBodnar> good night!
[00:22] <LeoBodnar> I am afk too, good night and thanks for tracking!
[00:26] <jcoxon> night all
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[05:00] <eroomde> bbc world service radio at 5am
[05:00] <eroomde> reminds me of all those allnighters working on the esa project
[05:00] <eroomde> it's the jingles
[05:33] <arko> Yo eroomde
[05:34] <eroomde> yoyo arko
[05:34] <arko> Drinking nice napa valley wine
[05:34] <arko> Thankgiving happenin
[05:35] <eroomde> aweome
[05:35] <arko> :)
[05:35] <arko> I forgot how much i love gravy
[05:35] <eroomde> :)
[05:36] <arko> Finally had some turkey that tasted amazing
[05:37] <arko> Now im too full
[05:37] <arko> Hah bbc radio
[05:37] <arko> Reminds me of the shipping forecast
[05:37] <arko> Good times
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[07:44] <DL7AD> morning
[07:48] <x-f> morning
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[07:51] <Brian-G0HDI> 'Morning all!. I take it B-32 is well past the position indicated on the map. Waiting for French trackers to clock on?
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[07:55] <x-f> morning, Brian! yes, either French trackers will pick up the 70cm band signal, or B-32 will leave France and then it will resume transmitting APRS packets (not allowed while over France)
[07:57] <Brian-G0HDI> Oh! Didn't know about the aprs rule. So basically the French will just pick up the pips then, and not be able to upload position data. How frustrating is that!.
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[08:00] <x-f> mm.. it transmits in both bands where allowed, and only 70cm telemetry, where airborne amateur radio operation isn't allowed
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[08:04] <Brian-G0HDI> Sorry I'm a new bod and confused as I understood airborne amateur radio is not allowed in the UK either.
[08:04] <Upu_M0UPU> its not Brian
[08:04] <Upu_M0UPU> in the UK anyway
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[08:05] <DL1SGP> good morning :)
[08:05] <Brian-G0HDI> Good morning DL1SGP.
[08:06] <x-f> B-32 APRS track - http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=6&call=a%2FM0XER-11&timerange=86400&tail=86400
[08:09] <Brian-G0HDI> Have to go. Give's me a chance to re-boot my brain too hi. Back later....Bye!
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[08:10] <WillDuckworth> how did the link to aprs.fi work?
[08:10] <DL7AD> b32 definetly transmitted over france. the transmitted position should be rubbish. more interesting is the station which reveived b32
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[08:11] <tjanos> Morning! Here is the actual NOAA prediciton started at 00 UTC from the B-32 pozition.
[08:11] <tjanos> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/144688_trj001.gif Based on this, the B-32 on this day will flying over France.
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[08:15] <x-f> looks like it will fly over nats`
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[08:26] <DL7AD> i got a different prediction: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/142366_trj001.gif
[08:27] <DL7AD> tjanos: you did a mistake. you started your prediction at 0800Z not at 0000Z
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[08:29] <tjanos> Oh, yes, maybe its true, but I think the path/trajectory will be similar
[08:30] <tjanos> how much time nedd to travel to Spain?
[08:30] <tjanos> need
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[08:35] <tjanos> Sven, it seems me, the situation has a rapid change (maybe because the sunshine?) This modell started at 02 UTC: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/145484_trj001.gif
[08:37] <tjanos> comparing with you, started at 00 UT: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/142366_trj001.gif
[08:37] <x-f> last position is from 7z
[08:38] <tjanos> is it on the aprs?
[08:38] <x-f> aprs and snus
[08:39] <x-f> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=6&call=a%2FM0XER-11&timerange=86400&tail=86400
[08:40] <LeoBodnar> morning gents!
[08:40] <Upu_M0UPU> morning Leo
[08:40] <tjanos> it seems, it move very slowly (~40km/h)
[08:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> Morrn!
[08:41] <LeoBodnar> I know why this last APRS point came to be
[08:42] <LeoBodnar> B-32 went into hibernation after getting a position fix and when it woke up it transmitted it over APRS before getting a new one
[08:43] <LeoBodnar> And since a new one is inside the France then this was the only APRS transmission it did
[08:43] <tjanos> ok, have it another hidden trikks?
[08:44] <LeoBodnar> it's technically a bug but probably yes
[08:45] <tjanos> its depend from point of view: is it a bud or a hidden feature???
[08:45] <tjanos> bug*
[08:45] <WillDuckworth> which Contestia mode seems to be working best?
[08:46] <DL7AD> .
[08:46] <LeoBodnar> Upu_M0UPU: did you RX yesterdays
[08:46] <LeoBodnar> -s
[08:46] <Upu_M0UPU> Yes
[08:46] <Upu_M0UPU> jsut
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[08:46] <LeoBodnar> did it decode?
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[08:47] <Upu_M0UPU> yes it was hardly visible on the waterfall
[08:47] <LeoBodnar> WillDuckworth: should be 8/250
[08:47] <Upu_M0UPU> but was fine
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[08:50] <LeoBodnar> cool
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[08:53] <tjanos> Mybe I am wrong, but if we calculate, based on the hidden bug, it has ~8 hours flying after the last known position, with ~40km/h. It means it is in middle of France now ???
[08:55] <tjanos> and it dont transmit any aprs....
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[08:59] <LeoBodnar> Decision to transmit APRS or not is based on the GPS position. And that position was an old one stuck in the queue when it went to sleep
[09:00] Action: cm13g09 wonders why he bothers coming in to work sometimes....
[09:00] <tjanos> Based on the refressed aprs map, it is near F4CQA at Bourges
[09:00] <tjanos> ssh*
[09:02] <LeoBodnar> it was picked up by two stations - in Nantes and Bourges so it is somewhere there
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[09:03] <tjanos> Maybe they dont know it is transmit on 434 wih Contestia, and how can this something receive...
[09:04] <jcoxon> morning all
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[09:07] <DL1SGP> hi jcoxon and all others that came in recently
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[09:08] <LeoBodnar> morning James
[09:08] <LeoBodnar> morning Felix
[09:09] <jcoxon> ooo interesting situation
[09:09] <jcoxon> nice to know its alive
[09:10] <LeoBodnar> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-32/here.png
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[09:12] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, at least thats in keeping with the predicted flight paths
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[09:18] <jcoxon> french listeners are rallying
[09:18] <jcoxon> the call must have gone out
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[09:18] <tjanos> this is a newer prediction: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/trajplot_146923.pdf Instead of produce gif file, NOAA produced only error...
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[09:20] <nats`> hi
[09:21] <LeoBodnar> Added NOAA prediction point http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-32/here.png at 46.852,-0.383
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[09:22] <jcoxon> hey nats`
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[09:22] <nats`> Sad I was not at home yesterday to track b32
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[09:23] <jcoxon> nats`, you able to listen out for it now?
[09:23] <nats`> not at home..
[09:23] <nats`> at work
[09:23] <jcoxon> oh okay
[09:23] <nats`> this week end I'll try to make my setup definitiv
[09:24] <nats`> with remote access
[09:24] <nats`> if I understood the yaesu 857 cable is just a ftdi level shifter
[09:24] <jcoxon> for controlin the radio? pretty much i think
[09:25] <nats`> yep for control
[09:25] <nats`> I need to do a big plastic box to put on the balcony with a intel NUC and the yaesu
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[09:27] <jcoxon> any chance you can keep it all inside and run the antenna lead outside?
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[09:29] <nats`> maybe there is a solution I have a 5 meter cable
[09:29] <nats`> but needs to let a window slightly open
[09:30] <tweetBot> @jamescoxon: B-32 flying over France, 434.500Mhz, pips + every 4mins Contestia. Somewhere between Nantes and Bourges - any info is useful #ukhas #hamr
[09:30] <nats`> that could be done but in this case my antenna could only be directed for south and west
[09:31] <tjanos> by the way, I found a very simple remote monitoring tool, its name is rtlwebfft. It need a rtl-dsdr and a machine with puiblic IP address Is is not for receive and decode, but monitorig remotely in a simple way
[09:31] <tjanos> https://github.com/asdil12/rtl_webfft
[09:32] <jcoxon> fldigi can actually be used remotely
[09:32] <jcoxon> well dl-fldigi
[09:32] <jcoxon> it can generate a png of the waterfall
[09:32] <jcoxon> so if you can control the freq manually
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[09:32] <jcoxon> you can display the waterfall and control dl-fldigi as well
[09:32] <jcoxon> so a complete remote solution
[09:33] <nats`> VNC remote desktop access :)
[09:33] <fsphil> vnc is sooooo slow when using mobile internet in a chase car somewhere in the middle of the countryside :)
[09:33] <tjanos> >Ok, I know, but setup it not so simple
[09:34] <fsphil> yea vnc is very simple
[09:34] <jcoxon> maybe we should put together a guide for remote setup
[09:34] <WillDuckworth> is that in the current version jcoxon?
[09:34] <tjanos> it would be really good!
[09:35] <tjanos> there are at least 2 another development, to ma e open websdr=like setup based on rtl-sdr but there are not ready for use
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[09:36] <jcoxon> WillDuckworth, should be
[09:36] <tjanos> make*
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[09:37] <DL7AD> what about this receiver? http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/info.php?r=56
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[09:37] <jcoxon> i thought it only did FM
[09:38] <tjanos> thats good, but where are in middle of France?
[09:38] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: sweet little thing, good test
[09:39] <tjanos> I think so, but it would be more usefull, if it receive soud/IQ data
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[09:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: probably mikes "websdr" or the "real" websdr is a another easier way
[09:42] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: you can go rtl_tcp + sdrsharp/gqrx/hdsdr/* if you want to transport iq-data
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[09:43] <tjanos> Yes ofcourse, but I think, we dont hope, will too much people make websdr setup for pico ballooning
[09:44] <tjanos> I know there are more option, to use the rtl-sdr tpcp tool, but I think, it need "serious" network connection.
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[09:45] <fsphil> it would be nice to have a device with just sma input on one side and ethernet on the other
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[09:45] <Upu_M0UPU> well I know the raspi people are really interested in this
[09:45] <Upu_M0UPU> someone just needs to make something
[09:45] <Upu_M0UPU> they will accelerate any code in GPU if needed
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[09:46] <tjanos> maybe another simple solution, to use rtl-sdr with a small board with known network address and you can attache to remotly a simple webfft or a receiver of iq-data
[09:47] <fsphil> not sure the Pi has enough bandwidth .. both the usb and ethernet share the same bus
[09:47] <fsphil> for something like the rtlsdr
[09:48] <fsphil> that said people have streamed data from it already, so it might be ok
[09:49] <nats`> fsphil I don't have car nor license for driving car :D
[09:49] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: yes, for the rpi it is nice
[09:49] <nats`> only motorbike and I don't think I could put a yagi on my moto :p
[09:49] <fsphil> nats`: totally could :)
[09:49] <fsphil> I don't think we've had a chase bike yet
[09:50] <Reb-SM3ULC> nats`: small yagi on the front.. ;)
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[09:50] <x-f_> moxon is small
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[09:50] <gonzo___> just an omni on the helmet
[09:50] <fsphil> that would be a good look
[09:51] <tjanos> Reb-SM3ULC: I decided to put this rtlwebfft to Pi, but I havenot it now
[09:52] <tjanos> If you have it with a public IP, I will test it remotely
[09:53] <nats`> Reb-SM3ULC I'm pretty to sure to have my bike taken by police :p
[09:53] <nats`> maybe an omni on the rear
[09:53] <nats`> like police bike
[09:54] <tjanos> fsphil: we know the limitations at Pi, but at least in this rtlwebfft dont need to transmit all the data, only small jpeg pictures
[09:55] <tjanos> the data drive an adobe flash player at the klinet web browser
[09:55] <fsphil> tjanos: very true
[09:55] <tjanos> client*
[09:56] <fsphil> though it would be nice to get audio streaming from it too
[09:56] <fsphil> wonder how much CPU time a USB demodulator would be
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[10:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: i guess you have seen? https://github.com/mikestir/webradio
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[10:03] <Darkside> mm, shinysdr might look nice, but its useless for use over th web
[10:04] <Darkside> as it streams the IQ samplse through
[10:04] <Darkside> you really need something like WebSDR, which sends fft outputs, and a 8KHZ sample rate audio stream
[10:04] <fsphil> wonder how optimised websdr is
[10:05] <fsphil> it seems to be quite cpu greedy
[10:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: on the server?
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[10:08] <fsphil> Reb-SM3ULC: yea, no chance of it working with something like the rtlsdr
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[10:09] <cm13g09> morning fsphil
[10:09] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: you mean rpi+websdr+rtl?
[10:10] <tjanos> Reb-SM3ULC: there is another open, based rtl-sdr, and html5 and "modern" browser: https://github.com/kpreid/shinysdr
[10:11] <tjanos> one of our student sarted to write another one based on python and html5, and "modern... something, only the latest Vrome
[10:12] <tjanos> working only on Crome*
[10:12] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: yes, ive not tried it yet. but as darkside says it dump raw iq..
[10:12] <Reb-SM3ULC> Darkside: does it dump all samples?
[10:13] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: ah, cool that a lot of stuff is moving on.
[10:13] <tjanos> I think too, the key point how can optimise the network trafic between the "server" and the clients
[10:13] <LeoBodnar> To me "modern" means "capable of producing colour output in the terminal window" lol
[10:14] <Darkside> Reb-SM3ULC: it sends raw IQ data to the browser
[10:14] <Darkside> which is not optimal
[10:14] <gonzo___> Colour, you have a new fandango CGA card in the PC?
[10:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: yeah, you can just send iq's for the selected width and the demod at the client, if one thinks that's smart..
[10:14] <tjanos> For me the "modern" means dont support the old, working versions
[10:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> Darkside: so on an rtl with 3.2 MS it would mean quite som traffic... ?
[10:15] <tjanos> to send all the raw IQ data, it is not the solution!
[10:15] <Darkside> yep
[10:16] <Darkside> you sent FFT magnitudes, and demodulated audio
[10:16] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: right, kind of obvious when thinking of sutff like ettus and future... >50MS.. 16 bit...
[10:17] <Reb-SM3ULC> Wonder how long it will take before you can sample an entire discone-antenna.. if it's possible..
[10:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> I hope to try mikes webradio+rtl on the pi soon
[10:22] <LeoBodnar> gonzo___: still using Hercules MGA
[10:22] <LeoBodnar> with proper B&W screen it rocked
[10:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: wow, connected to what?
[10:24] <LeoBodnar> not really :D
[10:24] <LeoBodnar> it was 8-bit ISA if I remember correctly
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[10:25] <LeoBodnar> And did not fit into 16-bit ISA slot because it was designed before all that modern 16-bit ISA nonsense
[10:26] <LeoBodnar> But would work if wedged in carefully
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[10:27] <gonzo___> I did have an old 80col text only MDA card, a long time ago. Full length and just plastered in ttl chips
[10:27] <jcoxon> so - do we think that B-32 will appear on APRS or Contestia first?
[10:27] <gonzo___> with a green screen crt
[10:28] <LeoBodnar> gonzo___: shed a tear http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/KL_Hercules_HGC.png/800px-KL_Hercules_HGC.png
[10:29] <LeoBodnar> I reckon somebody will pick up Contestia first
[10:29] <tjanos> If I understand well the situation, the last aprs data was sent, because B-23 weak up, and think, it is over the sea, not inside in Frace, where this informatuion spy is prohibited
[10:29] <Reb-SM3ULC> gonzo___: about old stuff... i had a sparc1 on the form of a dual isa-card.. never seen elsewhere..
[10:30] <LeoBodnar> I have heard about them Reb-SM3ULC
[10:30] <LeoBodnar> There was all sort of strange plug-in stuff going on at those days
[10:30] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: the jsut don't makes line on pcb like that anymore... like 2km wide... ;)
[10:31] <LeoBodnar> I think it had light pen interface too
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[10:31] <LeoBodnar> modern kids don't know what light pen is
[10:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: also didn't really fit.. wedging with quite some force... on card for 6000 euro
[10:32] <gonzo___> I made a loght pen and demo prog on the BBC micro for my o level computer studies
[10:32] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, me too, light pens never really worked well sadly
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[10:32] <gonzo___> a bic biro outer with a photodiode put the 'ole
[10:33] <gonzo___> had no access to thecrt raster gen, so had to scan the screen for the position then have a little rotating mark around the position to see it move
[10:33] <nats`> mv #highaltitude #retirement
[10:33] <nats`> :D
[10:33] <LeoBodnar> Transputer plug-in cards
[10:34] <jcoxon> nats`, haha
[10:34] <LeoBodnar> lol nats`
[10:34] <LeoBodnar> where's my Horlicks and hot water bottle?
[10:35] <LeoBodnar> Run the block until it hits the pen?
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[10:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> nats`: good one :D
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[10:39] <gonzo___> I have a 1983 copy of practical computing on my desk, for 'educating' the youngsters at work
[10:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> tjanos: " informatuion spy is prohibited" ?
[10:39] <gonzo___> though the bigest education for them is how much stuff cost then, and that's before they learn about inflation
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[10:40] Action: Reb-SM3ULC propose plotting a point the computed trajectory where the hab "should" have been ocmpared to last datapoint.
[10:43] <G8APZ> Is Spacenear.us having problems? Seems like the Google API v3 has bitten hard!!
[10:43] <jcoxon> G8APZ, unfortunately so
[10:43] <jcoxon> the conclusion is that it needs a re-write
[10:44] <jcoxon> the plan is to battle on for a bit until we work out exactly what to do
[10:45] <nats`> jcoxon do you already thought about using openstreetmap layout ?
[10:45] <craag> I had a bit of a go, but it's not 100% yet: http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/
[10:45] <G8APZ> That's a pity... I had three maps to do for the site I keep... and it was a pain in the butt
[10:45] <nats`> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=5/51.500/-0.100
[10:46] <jcoxon> nats`, we went with google maps due to links hte community had with google early on
[10:47] <nats`> that was just an idea
[10:47] <G8APZ> not nice maps..prefer Google
[10:47] <nats`> seriously ?
[10:47] <craag> nats`: Take a look at my link :)
[10:47] <nats`> I find more information in openstreetmap
[10:47] <eroomde> OS maps is what we need
[10:47] <eroomde> shame they're not worldwide
[10:47] <jcoxon> sometimes too much information is a bad thing
[10:47] <nats`> nice one craag :)
[10:48] <nats`> yep but you can easily remove them
[10:48] <eroomde> they're magnificently useful for recory too
[10:48] <nats`> anyway that was just a thought
[10:48] <eroomde> as you have field boundaries and footpaths
[10:48] <jcoxon> eroomde, you could add an OS map overlay
[10:48] <nats`> OS map are those complete map from england ?
[10:49] <eroomde> yes
[10:49] <eroomde> they have everything marked
[10:49] <eroomde> they're fantastically good
[10:49] <Reb-SM3ULC> G8APZ: you can compile simpler maps with custom styles with OSM, right?
[10:49] <nats`> you have same in france but you need to sell all your organ before having a license
[10:49] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: create a simpler theme and render self?
[10:50] <nats`> in a free use license I think OSM is the most complete existing
[10:50] <nats`> far more complete the Google ones
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[10:51] <nats`> one of the most impressive country on OSM is deutschland
[10:51] <nats`> they even marked the trashbin in the street
[10:53] <G8APZ> Reb-SM3ULC I've no idea about OSM - I have only used Google API
[10:54] <G8APZ> Jcoxon - Was it conversion from v2 to v3 and nothing more that caused the probs?
[10:55] <craag> G8APZ: It's still written in v2 and using the compatability layer
[10:56] <G8APZ> craag OK - that's not likely to do the job... just sticking plaster!!
[10:56] <craag> G8APZ: Yep! It's horrible.
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[10:57] <G8APZ> craag the Google v3 documentation is pretty pathetic considering the worldwide usage
[10:58] <G8APZ> craag Instead of properly documenting a feature, they give an example aargh!
[10:58] <craag> G8APZ: Take a look at leaflet.js, it's an open-source mapping lib.
[10:58] <craag> Great documentation
[10:58] <craag> I used it here: http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/
[10:58] <craag> (You can still load google layers, try the layer icon in the top right)
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[11:00] <G8APZ> All that javascript.... yuk!!
[11:00] <craag> huh?
[11:01] <G8APZ> craag it looks pretty horrid to understand just looking at it!
[11:01] <craag> I found it more logical than gmaps
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[11:02] <jcoxon> we need natrium42 to come and fix it
[11:02] <G8APZ> that leaflet.js is all single letter variables...
[11:03] <craag> Erm are you actually looking at the leaflet.js source??
[11:03] <craag> It's minified... not readable.
[11:03] <craag> try http://leafletjs.com/reference.html
[11:05] <G8APZ> craag I'll have a read of that later on!!
[11:05] <G8APZ> yes, I was looking at the underlying code using view source
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[11:08] <G8APZ> craag have a look at the code behind this > http://www.beaconspot.eu/locator.php
[11:10] <Upu_M0UPU> ping LeoBodnar
[11:10] <G8APZ> The HTML and javascript is generated by PHP on server of course
[11:12] <craag> G8APZ: Yeah I used gmaps v3 for dxspot.tv
[11:12] <craag> Quite liking leaflet though.. might convert it at some point.
[11:13] <craag> It's very nice on tablets/phones.
[11:13] <G8APZ> craag ah yes, I remember looking at DXSPOT.tv
[11:14] <G8APZ> craag I got the coloured pins worked out ... but limited range of coloures.. http://www.beaconspot.eu/beaconm.php?bandmhz=432
[11:15] <craag> I see. You could always just recolour the pins yourself and add them as custom markers.
[11:16] <G8APZ> craag an API should be simple to use and understand..... what would be wrong with a simle command such as PIN=large,COLOR=pink,ID=UPU
[11:16] <G8APZ> or other things like STYLE=shadow
[11:17] <G8APZ> yes, I could create custom markers but that's a whole new issue!!
[11:17] Action: Upu_M0UPU shakes his head
[11:18] <craag> yep, but being on the designing side for a few APIs recently, it's not easy to get them as simple as people would like!
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[11:19] <craag> Take a look at the source of the habmap page, the leaflet api is really quite simple like that.
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[11:20] <craag> To the point where I can guess what the syntax will be for a function, without reading the docs!
[11:20] <G8APZ> craag no doubt, it isn't but you can take it with positional parameters like Pin=BIG,PINK,APZ or the other way above.... any unsupplied params always have a default
[11:22] <craag> Wouldn't be valid js though... so there's only so simple you can get!
[11:23] <G8APZ> craag yes... using something that was intuitive.... what an odd concept!!
[11:25] <G8APZ> craag not JS maybe, but js can make things so obtuse!
[11:26] <G8APZ> craag Do you have a copy of the v2 code BEFORE the google wrapper gets at it?
[11:27] <craag> G8APZ: Well spacenear is still written for v2, but when it requests v2 from google it gets a wrappered v3.
[11:27] <craag> Nothing has changed on the spacenear code.
[11:27] <G8APZ> craag do you have a copy of spacenear code?
[11:27] <craag> No. It's closed-source at the moment.
[11:28] <jcoxon> its closed source i think out of embarassement
[11:28] <craag> But you can get all the client-side stuff readable in the browser.
[11:28] <jcoxon> there is an old copy somewhere
[11:28] <G8APZ> pity.... could set a task to see who can get it converted to v3!!
[11:28] <jcoxon> the problem is that habitat (the backend to all this) is potentially going to be re-written
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[11:28] <craag> G8APZ: We've been talking about it... but a habitat rewrite is due and the habhub team want to do that first, and then adapt the new spacenear to it.
[11:29] <G8APZ> the client side stuff misses out things like where the data is for example!
[11:29] <craag> G8APZ: You might do better looking at my habmap code (built by reverse-engineering spacenearus)
[11:30] <G8APZ> Yes I guess so, but I was thinking more of conversion, not rewrite or redevelop!
[11:30] <craag> yeah.... it needs a rewrite, believe me.
[11:31] <mfa298_> I think a few people have looked at the conversion and it could be a lot of work for something that could be replaced in a few months.
[11:31] <craag> I've got to the point where idiocies (in my opinion) in the data.php format are causing me to have to write workarounds on the client side.
[11:31] <craag> Hence I've given up for the moment.
[11:31] Nick change: mfa298_ -> mfa298
[11:31] <jcoxon> poor spacenear.us evolved rather then was planned
[11:32] <jcoxon> ping natrium42
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[11:32] <G8APZ> craag OK - how is the data held? One dataset with rec types, or normailised with prime keys?
[11:33] <craag> G8APZ: Take a look: http://spacenear.us/tracker/data.php?vehicles=&format=json&position_id=3898031&max_positions=0
[11:34] <craag> Especially the receivers: ",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"
[11:34] <craag> *callsign:
[11:34] <G8APZ> craag Good grief!!
[11:35] <craag> hehe
[11:35] <craag> all in .positions.position
[11:35] <craag> and then you have to detect multiple vehicles being present and grep for each one.
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[11:36] <DL7AD> good afternoon
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Morning
[11:36] <ei3kd> mornin' - who's rx-ing B-32?
[11:36] <craag> which is the point where I stopped, hence my map only shows one balloon at a time.
[11:36] <DL7AD> ei3kd: aprs
[11:36] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: why is b32 flying that high?
[11:36] <DL1SGP> Moin Sven!
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope its over France so no APRS
[11:37] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: moin moin
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> hence no current update
[11:37] <DL7AD> Geoff-G8DHE: its slightly over the water so its transmitting aprs
[11:37] <G8APZ> craag I see... one problem after another!! Where is that data format determined? DEsigned by a committee?
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes its changed since I last looked!
[11:38] <craag> G8APZ: No, it was built by one guy a long time ago and has jsut been evolved since then. Hence the need for a rewrite!
[11:38] <mfa298> G8APZ: as more evolution rather than design I think (as jcoxon indicated earlier)
[11:38] <fsphil> it evolved, and it has a plan
[11:39] <G8APZ> craag including better file design - no repeating groups in a record
[11:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nah look back in the archive 09:10 [09:10] <LeoBodnar> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-32/here.png
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[11:39] <DL7AD> G8APZ: next active station. MADRID!
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[11:40] <craag> G8APZ: anyway enough ranting for today, back to work, cya!
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[11:40] <G8APZ> craag OK thanks for the details!!
[11:40] <LeoBodnar> It's my regular FL DL7AD :D
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> The last APRS was one held in the buffer as B-32 went to sleep it seems
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah the man himself
[11:41] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: hee? two balloons, hydrogen?
[11:41] <LeoBodnar> So it woke up over France and transmitted the old datapoint
[11:41] <DL7AD> something must have changed
[11:41] <eroomde> the matrix
[11:42] <LeoBodnar> Same balloon type and Helium formula
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> F5VNF would be OK when he gets in
[11:42] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: wow
[11:42] <DL7AD> Geoff-G8DHE: i sent a mail to him yesterday
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[11:45] <DL7AD> http://matlab.idr.upm.es:8901/ websdr located in madrid tuned to the ism band
[11:55] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: I was wrong, APRS came first
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[11:58] <jcoxon> yeah
[11:58] <jcoxon> glad i left the script running
[12:00] <Upu_M0UPU> just stop it around midnight
[12:00] <Upu_M0UPU> or it goes daft
[12:01] <jcoxon> Upu_M0UPU, oh i'm using a different script
[12:01] <jcoxon> its using unix timestamps
[12:01] <Upu_M0UPU> ah ok
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[12:02] <LeoBodnar> I can stick more info into APRS comment data
[12:03] <G8APZ> DL7AD We need at least two WEBSDR in every country!!
[12:03] <LeoBodnar> APRS works way better than I thought :/
[12:03] <fsphil> haha
[12:03] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: aprs.fi has some compressed comment data spec now
[12:03] <LeoBodnar> Including Andorra :D
[12:03] <LeoBodnar> Do you have a link Darkside
[12:03] <Darkside> nope lol
[12:03] <Darkside> theres also APRS telemetry strings
[12:03] <Darkside> which you could use
[12:04] <LeoBodnar> Yeah I know that
[12:05] <fsphil> http://he.fi/doc/aprs-base91-comment-telemetry.txt
[12:05] <fsphil> I did this on swift, pretty simple to do
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> That Madrid WebSDR seems very clean given that its located withi the city itself ?
[12:06] <fsphil> like most things in aprs, it's a bit of a hack
[12:06] <jcoxon> there is an argument to keep it brief on teh aprs
[12:06] <Darkside> http://he.fi/doc/aprs-base91-comment-telemetry.txt
[12:06] <Darkside> aha
[12:06] <Darkside> fsphil: beat me
[12:06] <jcoxon> encourage listening for it
[12:06] <fsphil> yea better to have two packets
[12:06] <x-f> swift has been cancelled?
[12:07] <LeoBodnar> I don't want APRS to squeeze out the manned network that was such a challenge to build
[12:07] <LeoBodnar> ta fsphil Darkside
[12:08] <DL7AD> G8APZ: haha :D good luck for searching
[12:08] <LeoBodnar> Heh I read this document a month ago
[12:13] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, must admit i never thought we'd have aprs on a pico
[12:13] <LeoBodnar> I thought we needed at least 5W
[12:14] <LeoBodnar> Considering HF experiments fails
[12:14] <LeoBodnar> And the fact that it uses FM mode
[12:16] <jcoxon> teh 300mW Hx-1 works well
[12:17] <jcoxon> but obviously it works even better
[12:17] <craag> LeoBodnar: How much power do you use for HF?
[12:17] <craag> Sorry, APRS?
[12:17] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: it'l work bettr because A) lower noise floor
[12:17] <Darkside> B) receive antennas can have much more gain than HF antennas
[12:18] <mattbrejza> im still suprised you can get away with the same front end for both 144/434
[12:18] <Darkside> and C) big network of receive sites, in optimal locations
[12:23] <fsphil> x-f: nah, I'll do a proper swift launch sometime
[12:23] <LeoBodnar> about 15mW craag
[12:24] <gonzo___> I did see one of the replies to the RSGB summary talked aboutthe FPV people. And MOST are using licence exempt 100mW cams.
[12:24] <gonzo___> bet they have not read the offcom doc
[12:24] <fsphil> yea was gonna say
[12:25] <gonzo___> started typing a reply, but thought better left
[12:26] <mfa298> most of them think they'll get access to lots of bands and more power by just taking the foundation
[12:26] <fsphil> 2.4ghz should still be worth a try, with a nice big antenna on the ground
[12:26] <mfa298> and havn't realised that foundation doesn't give access to those bands
[12:26] <fsphil> a big dish made out of some kind of mesh
[12:26] <jcoxon> bbl
[12:26] <gonzo___> an old C band TV dish
[12:26] <mfa298> or that they want more power on non AR bands (900MHz)
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[12:27] <f5vnf> im working on it
[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Good man!
[12:28] <gonzo___> I'm rebuilding the az drive on mine, to get the feedback working
[12:28] <craag> LeoBodnar: Wow ok thanks, I thought it was more!
[12:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> f5vnf, See http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-32/index.html for using RSID in dl-fldigi
[12:29] <f5vnf> RR
[12:31] <mfa298> reading some of the FPV stuff about 5.8Ghz and not interferring with wifi I did start wondering if they've thought about the other things they could be interferring with (I think some Radar is in the same band as there's a requirement for wifi to detect radar and change channels if needed)
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[12:33] <gonzo___> 2.4gig is the most common band for the RC gear these days
[12:33] <gonzo___> it's not wifi as in 802.11 protocol. think they use fhss
[12:34] <gonzo___> but a 100mw tx in the plane could spoil their day
[12:34] <mfa298> from what some of them were saying it sounds like a lot of them are using 2.4Ghz for the RC and 5.8GHz for video downlink (and often more power than is permitted)
[12:35] <gonzo___> yep,believe so
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[12:40] <gonzo___> though the bands and power limits are ignored by most of the population. As people will use what they can buy on ebay. They have no concept of what it is going on RF wise
[12:41] <Darkside> heh, a friend of mine brought a 5.8GHz video transmitter into uni for me to chck on a spec-an
[12:42] <Darkside> even with it plugged into the spec-an, as soon as he turnd it on, my laptops wifi jumped from 5.8GHz to 2.4GHz
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[12:42] <mfa298> and potentially no idea of what else they could interfere with (I'm only aware of the potential radar issue on 5.8 from reading through wireless specs)
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[12:43] <LeoBodnar> Most consumers think manufacturer is ultimately responsible for RF devices uses. This concept does not work when "manufacturer" = "eBay seller"
[12:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> jcoxon, What callsign does the APRS appear under in habitat, its plotting but nothing shoing in the EPT ?
[12:44] <jcoxon> its plotting direct to spacenear.us
[12:44] <jcoxon> doesn't go via habitat
[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right
[12:44] <gonzo___> and the regulators thing that the manufacturer will vbe respojnsible as they could be hit hard financially. But again that all breaks down when it's all online imports
[12:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> so once gone from the snus the data is no longer available :-(
[12:46] <gonzo___> the general population just lump everything under the heading 'wireless'. Which equites to magic for most
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[12:49] <LeoBodnar> Geoff-G8DHE: http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=M0XER-11&limit=1000&view=normal it can be decoded using base91 APRS specs
[12:49] <LeoBodnar> or aprs.fi has some API to retrieve it
[12:49] <nats`> LeoBodnar following the CE the seller is responsible
[12:49] <nats`> even an eBay one
[12:49] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE, i'm pulling it off one of the aprs database
[12:49] <nats`> if the merchandise is taken by the custom they keep it
[12:49] <LeoBodnar> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=M0XER-11&limit=1000&view=decoded or this
[12:49] <nats`> (already had the problem)
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[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> tks LeoBodnar
[12:50] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE, the problem about pushing it to habitat is that you need to fit it to the flight doc
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[12:50] <jcoxon> i'm cheating by pushing it direct and skipping all that
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup appreciate the problem, hadn't realised the route till I opened up GE and saw it wasn't being updated!
[12:52] <LeoBodnar> aprs.fi will remove raw packets data after two days but decoded position data will be available via their API I believe
[12:53] <LeoBodnar> indefinitely
[12:55] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: do you have an url or something to info about running dl-fldigi on os x? i only get the mic as input...
[12:55] <eroomde> The reciprocal of Pi to your good wives
[12:55] <Laurenceb> anyone here know the first thing about connecting to windows shares?
[12:55] <Darkside> Reb-SM3ULC: thats weird
[12:55] <Laurenceb> wtf is a "domain"
[12:55] <Darkside> you should be able to select more than that from the list
[12:56] <adamgreig> Reb-SM3ULC: probably need to have portaudio or other sound library available
[12:56] <adamgreig> though if you have microphone as an option...
[12:56] <Laurenceb> like server1.organisation.com ?
[12:56] <adamgreig> you might need to swap the audio input on OS X itself to line in instead of microphone
[12:56] <jcoxon> Reb-SM3ULC, do you have default as well
[12:56] <Darkside> adamgreig: nope
[12:56] <jcoxon> yeah in system preferences->sound->input
[12:56] <Darkside> shouldnt need to
[12:56] <Darkside> but wait. you use OSX, you should know this
[12:56] <jcoxon> Reb-SM3ULC, oh what machine is it?
[12:57] <adamgreig> yea p sure os x has a thing that lets you pick system audio input between mic and line in
[12:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: when i click "portaudio" i can only select "built in mic", nothin more
[12:57] <adamgreig> (my OS X usage is on my macbook air and I can't plug line in into it (don't have the right adapter) so I've only used the microphone anyway...)
[12:57] <Darkside> adamgreig: i can select all th edifferent inputs in dl-fldigi
[12:57] <adamgreig> Reb-SM3ULC: do you have a line in actually connected etc?
[12:57] <Darkside> soundflower, microphone, line-in, whatever
[12:57] <LeoBodnar> I am using Soundflower to route audio from RX into dl-fldigi http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/quick-tip-routing-audio-between-applications-using-soundflower--audio-16199
[12:58] <Reb-SM3ULC> adamgreig: no, i have been running websdr etc
[12:58] <jcoxon> Reb-SM3ULC, are you on a macbook air?
[12:58] <Darkside> soundflower is awsome
[12:58] <Darkside> simple to use loopback audio
[12:59] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: mpb, 10.9
[12:59] <jcoxon> with a line in port?
[12:59] <jcoxon> on my mb-air i in portaudio i only have mic + soundflower
[12:59] <mfa298> Laurenceb: Domain generally means Active directory
[12:59] <Laurenceb> ad.organisation.com?
[13:00] <mfa298> if the server is part of AD then it's the AD domain name, if it's not part of AD use the server name
[13:00] <Laurenceb> the server is part of the AD
[13:00] <Laurenceb> so what is the format of the domain in that case?
[13:01] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: oki, i'll try soundflower! thought maybe one could build loop with the native-apple stuff
[13:01] <mfa298> as to what it's called, that depends on the organisation - best bet is to look at a local windows machine that's on the domain and see what opions it has at startup
[13:01] <Laurenceb> ah good plan
[13:01] <Laurenceb> thanks
[13:02] <mfa298> some places it domain == dns domain (bad), others it's org.local, or ad.dnsdomain, or whatifeltlike.wibble
[13:02] <jcoxon> Reb-SM3ULC, soundflower is excellent for a loop back
[13:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: i'll try in a second or three :)
[13:03] <jcoxon> hehe
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[13:03] <jcoxon> ooo another french station potentially in range
[13:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: will take a bit to download.. 179kB..
[13:04] <tweetBot> @stratodean: Two days to go... #hohohopetheweatherholds #santalaunch #ukhas http://t.co/q2r4vSYBJ1
[13:04] <LeoBodnar> You can do aggregate devices in Audio MIDI Setup but it does not work with dl-fldigi
[13:05] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: just think, if MS or Apple got their hands on it you'de need to change that k to an m
[13:06] <LeoBodnar> millibyte?
[13:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: in apple-case... a G... xcode-patch 1.5 GB... etc
[13:06] <LeoBodnar> oO
[13:07] <LeoBodnar> Apple is past its peak when it comes to computers for real people
[13:07] <Reb-SM3ULC> last imovie patch was insane. now no more imovie on this machine
[13:07] <eroomde> yes
[13:07] <eroomde> thinkpad + ubuntu has me happy for the time being
[13:07] <jcoxon> i find linux desktops as 'spongey'
[13:08] <jcoxon> difficult to describe - it might be the soft text
[13:08] <fsphil> my biggest complaint about osx was the way the mouse moved
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[13:08] <fsphil> such a trivial thing but it drives me mad
[13:09] <fsphil> either goes too slow or too fast
[13:09] <LeoBodnar> I was elated about OS X and MacPro progress in mid to late 2000's but now it all seems to have went to Barbie land
[13:09] <x-f> fsphil, it accelerates, a very nice feature imho :)
[13:10] <fsphil> windows and linux do that too, but the curve on osx seems too steep
[13:10] <fsphil> was never able to fix it
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[13:11] <LeoBodnar> http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/16308/is-it-possible-to-make-a-mouse-accelerate-like-it-did-in-windows
[13:12] <eroomde> yeah i hated it too
[13:13] <eroomde> really noticed it fro graphical things like cad
[13:13] <eroomde> much happier on linux now
[13:13] <eroomde> even after messing with the curves there was still a delay
[13:13] <LeoBodnar> CADs are designed for command line
[13:13] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: i thought barbie was the whole idea about aqua? ;)
[13:13] <eroomde> if you oscilalted it fast enough you could observe the 180 degree phase delay
[13:14] <eroomde> which is bollocks
[13:16] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, good going altitude for B-32
[13:16] <LeoBodnar> mmm, not sure, it's very cold there in the night
[13:17] <jcoxon> you worried it'll keep descending overnight
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[13:31] <LeoBodnar> no, the battery will discharge very quickly
[13:32] <LeoBodnar> It was -34C at 7500m
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[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah thks who ever added the APRS to Habitat as well!
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[13:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-32_20131128/index.php?ind=7
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[14:01] <jcoxon> wasn't me :-)
[14:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm confused, EPT doesn't have the data, but the Track from snus does I always thought that the track from snus came from habitat but obviously not ?
[14:03] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE, it sort of does, sort of doesn't
[14:03] <mattbrejza> ept is only when you have a flight doc also
[14:03] <jcoxon> so they are seperate entities
[14:03] <jcoxon> so habitat feeds snus
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[14:03] <jcoxon> and my aprs script is feeding data to snus
[14:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yer I had assumed up to now that it simply grabbed the data and forwarded it to the GE tracker but its obviosuly storing it itself
[14:04] <jcoxon> snus was around before habitat so it can operate independently so its got a mysql database
[14:04] <jcoxon> (well 2)
[14:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its simply an assumption on my part, and without a system diagram ...
[14:04] <craag> 2 mysql databases?
[14:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh right wasn't aware of that
[14:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> In that case might have a suggestion or two for the habitat revamp, possibly already thought of however!
[14:07] <jcoxon> craag, predictions are seperate i think
[14:07] <jcoxon> i don't know
[14:07] <jcoxon> longtime since i logged on to spacenear.us
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> humm looks like something is appearing in Mardid, not sure its B-32 however seems more like a carrier smack on the freq, :-(
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Madrid
[14:09] <f5vnf> sorry chaps, im not winning here,cant get this rtl to recieve. must go and do some work
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks for trying f5vnf
[14:11] <jcoxon> f5vnf, thanks for giving it ago
[14:12] <f5vnf> its just so frustrating
[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Which dongle are you using chipset wise ?
[14:14] <f5vnf> R820
[14:15] <jcoxon> which OS?
[14:15] <f5vnf> xp
[14:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK not had a chance with that type yet always used the E4000 type
[14:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> and the SDR ?
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[14:16] <f5vnf> i have tried sdr
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[14:16] <f5vnf> sdr# and sdr console
[14:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup like me ended up with SDRconsole/Radio
[14:17] <f5vnf> must go , got to finish tidying up the village for the oap meal on sunday
[14:17] <f5vnf> bbl
[14:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> cus
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[14:30] <Laurenceb> what happens when it gets to spain?
[14:30] <Laurenceb> back to 434?
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[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its on both now apparently, its meant to put the APRS out in between the 1/2 second pips
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> last night is shut down pips as battery was getting <3.55 at points
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[14:35] <Ugi> Wow - B32's bombing along!
[14:36] <G8APZ> Ugi where are you looking?
[14:36] <G8APZ> Spacenear.us isn't doing much here!
[14:37] <Laurenceb> habitiate mobile tracker
[14:38] <Ugi> spacenear.us is working OK for me - I had to reload once but seems fine. Lasts datapoint 14:37:08
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[14:38] <Ugi> It's not showing which receivers got each point but the path is fine.
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[14:38] <Ugi> in Firefox on W7
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[14:39] <G8APZ> I'm on FF in XP
[14:39] <jcoxon> Ugi, the data is from APRS so no reported receivers
[14:40] <jcoxon> hopefully when it gets closer to madrid we can start getting proper data
[14:40] <Ugi> jcoxon: Ah. Cool. For some reason I thought APRS was not allowed.
[14:40] <Ugi> Maybe that's UK only
[14:40] <jcoxon> yeah its UK and France not allowed
[14:41] <jcoxon> Spain yes and out to sea yes
[14:41] <jcoxon> (sort of)
[14:41] <Ugi> And Leo' has build B32 to know where in Europe it is?
[14:41] <jcoxon> yup
[14:41] <jcoxon> roughyl
[14:41] <Ugi> The man's a genius
[14:41] <mfa298> I thought for out at sea the Home license still applied (or are we ignoring that bit as it's very silly)
[14:42] <jcoxon> mfa298, its a pretty grey area...
[14:42] <G8APZ> Leo built in approx territory boundaries
[14:44] <G8APZ> that's pretty on the WebSDR!
[14:44] <G8APZ> QRM
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[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup its doing my ears in at the moment ;-)
[14:46] <G8APZ> turn down the volume!
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> then the level into fl-digi is a bit on the low side! I normally feed apps into a VAC and bypass the speakers!
[14:47] <G8APZ> OK - the waterfall isn't showing anything yet though
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[14:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm seeing a carrier dead on 434.5 it cam up a while back but its not B-32
[14:49] <ibanezmatt13_> does anybody know of a decent linux distro that comes with cmake? I've tried to install it on several distros and it won't work. Would Debian be ok?
[14:49] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
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[14:54] <SM5OCI> Bra!
[14:54] <SM5OCI> (Sorry, wrong window.)
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[15:03] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13_: it should be installable via package manager on most distros
[15:04] <ibanezmatt13_> ah ok, I'm pretty crap with Linux distros. I originally had Knoppix, but didn't really like it
[15:04] <eroomde> Noxicles - icicles of nitrous oxide http://i.imgur.com/E1uoeao.jpg
[15:04] <eroomde> and an unhappy valvue
[15:04] <eroomde> needless to say
[15:05] <adamgreig> chilly
[15:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> G8APZ: you hear it via madrid?
[15:06] <ibanezmatt13_> wow
[15:06] <mfa298> with nitrous oxide shouldn't it be a happy valve (or last least a laughing valve ?)
[15:06] Action: mfa298 gets coat
[15:06] <Laurenceb> nice lead cell
[15:06] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
[15:07] <eroomde> load cell?
[15:07] <G8APZ> Reb-SM3ULC Nil so far
[15:07] <Laurenceb> underneath it?
[15:08] <eroomde> yes
[15:08] <eroomde> that's a pair of load cells
[15:08] <Laurenceb> ok :P
[15:08] <eroomde> in theory they measure the mass of the tanks
[15:09] <Reb-SM3ULC> G8APZ: ah, also listening now
[15:09] <eroomde> what they actually do is measure the impulse response of the tank holding structure
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[15:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: how do you get output from soundlowwer to speakers while output to soundflower so digi can listen?
[15:16] <DL7AD> evening
[15:16] <DL7AD> sorry... good afternoon but the sun already set
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not seen the Sun all day, just low dank cloud .. :-(
[15:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: oh, missed th sound-app... doh
[15:19] <DL1SGP> Guten abend Sven :)
[15:19] <DL7AD> guten abend felix
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[15:19] <DL7AD> Reb-SM3ULC: sun-app ? :D
[15:20] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: one could have started the actual soundflower-control-app.. :)
[15:20] <DL7AD> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ratana.sunsurveyorlite
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[15:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> I like how the WebSDR shows the number of uses to two decimal places :-)
[15:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> users
[15:22] <LeoBodnar> Reb-SM3ULC: icon at the screen top click on it and select "Built In device"
[15:23] <LeoBodnar> *flower icon
[15:23] <LeoBodnar> *Built-In Output
[15:23] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: right, had to start the app to get the icon
[15:23] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: working great
[15:24] <LeoBodnar> Yes, that's a bit awkward, icon often disappears when I put laptop to sleep
[15:24] <LeoBodnar> just rerun the app
[15:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> Geoff-G8DHE: well, spaceearh is not far off by using 10dec for speed etc ;)
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[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh we just had 4.79 Users!!!!
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Maybe because its measured over 10 seconds ?
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup now 5.77 Users
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Arko is to fetch hs payload back
[15:27] <arko> Yep
[15:27] <arko> On the road
[15:28] <eroomde> good luck fella
[15:28] <arko> Very pretty sunrise
[15:28] <arko> :)
[15:28] <arko> Same road to vegas
[15:29] <arko> Running on 5 hours of sleep and still in a food coma from last night
[15:29] <ve6ts> i had a payload land right on the road, that was good luck
[15:29] <arko> Not bad luck?
[15:29] <arko> Wheels and things
[15:29] <ve6ts> it didn't get hit
[15:30] <arko> Nice
[15:30] <arko> Mine landed near powerlines and an employee found it out in the middle of nowhere
[15:30] <arko> Power company dude
[15:30] <G8APZ> Ola San Sebastian
[15:30] <Laurenceb> spain !
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[15:32] <G8APZ> QRM again....
[15:32] <DL7AD> G8APZ: can you receive it?
[15:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh its stopped here ?
[15:33] <G8APZ> DL7AD Not yet!! Only looking at the WebSDR
[15:33] <G8APZ> WebSDR froze
[15:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Site has gone down
[15:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah its back
[15:34] <DL7AD> Geoff-G8DHE: i can explain why ^^
[15:34] <DL7AD> the frequency shifted
[15:34] <DL7AD> thats better for reception
[15:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed
[15:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm carrier on 434.5 has gone as well
[15:35] <DL7AD> in the beginning the 0-point was at 434.5
[15:36] <DL7AD> at the frequency where you set the sdr the signal will be mixed down to 0hz... you will have all the noise
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anyone know what aerial is connected to Madrid ?
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[15:41] <G8APZ> Geoff-G8DHE Wet string?
[15:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> probaly wet colinear !
[15:43] <Laurenceb> wow
[15:43] <G8APZ> Geoff-G8DHE Glad to see you spell colinear correctly! Thousands spell it Coll....
[15:43] <Laurenceb> EA2EEb is wel placed
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[15:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> watch for anothe rtime sometimes its one the the other!
[15:44] <LeoBodnar> wel pllaced
[15:45] <LeoBodnar> wut? http://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/collinear.html
[15:45] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[15:46] <G8APZ> Interesting LeoBodnar!
[15:47] Action: Reb-SM3ULC miss the scale on the bottom-left in gmap.
[15:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> check the definition both seem acceptable
[15:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Web definitions
[15:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Alternative spelling of collinear; colinear map, the dual notion of a linear map
[15:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/colinear
[15:49] <G8APZ> I guess you pay your money and take your choice!!
[15:49] <Laurenceb> should we be getting 434mhz telemetry soon?
[15:51] <Reb-SM3ULC> very close to EA2EEB
[15:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> EA2EEB has just put a pair up
[15:54] <Laurenceb> nice voltage
[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice temperatue as well
[15:56] <jcoxon> hooray for EA2EEB
[15:56] <tjanos> Is it legal to use aprs in Morocco? http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/152167_trj001.gif
[15:56] <jcoxon> tjanos, not sure we've ever looked into it
[15:56] <DL7AD> tjanos: who cares? :P
[15:57] <jcoxon> there isn't much aprs in morocco
[15:57] <tjanos> its only a joke... are there somebody have ISM band receiver?
[15:57] <jcoxon> i remember that from the trans-atlantic aprs flights
[15:57] <SM5OCI> With a blinking LED as discussed a couple of days ago, EA2EEB could have seen it visually! (If the sky is clear down there.)
[15:57] <DL7AD> tjanos: no. not yet
[15:58] <G8APZ> SM5OCI Especially a 3W one!!
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> High power pulsed LEDs can in principle be seen from over 100km
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.eitb.com/es/eltiempo/camaras/detalle/11607/webcam-donostia-san-sebastian/
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Bright but cloudy by the looks
[15:59] <tjanos> mayb on some next B-xx will blinking LEDs
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[15:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.la-perla.net/webcam-donosti/
[15:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> quite coludy
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[16:00] <tjanos> We had some experiments with the case of FITSAT-1
[16:01] <jcoxon> habexpico2 has been recovered
[16:01] <SM5OCI> The advantage of a LED might not be som big. Requires darkness, clear skies, proximity to spotters willing to leave cozy bed and maybe drive out of town to avoid light pollution.
[16:01] <jcoxon> http://t.co/oBU1J8g2q3
[16:02] <arko> https://twitter.com/arkorobotics/status/406452454461423616
[16:02] <arko> Hab has been recovered!!
[16:02] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: when i open DL-FLDigi it shows up, b32 has dominoEX16. but it doesn't
[16:03] <LeoBodnar> dl-fldigi does not have any modes apart from RTTY/Hell/DomeEX
[16:03] <LeoBodnar> woohooo arko
[16:03] <jcoxon> DL7AD, they can be added
[16:03] <jcoxon> for future versions
[16:03] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: B-32 over San Sebastian, Spain currently, heading Morrocco ? Track http://t.co/dSn0GSOL1r
[16:03] <tweetBot> path http://t.co/k4n4G55ltT
[16:03] <tweetBot> #hamr #hamradio #ukhas
[16:03] <DL7AD> what can be added? jcoxon
[16:03] <DL7AD> the modes?
[16:03] <jcoxon> yeah
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[16:04] <DL7AD> i already had it in my list
[16:04] <jcoxon> its just a matter of the dl-fldigi part of it doing some work
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> SM5OCI: Not really that bad. To be as bright as the stars in Orion, you need to put about 10nW/m^2 of light into the recievers eye.
[16:04] <DL7AD> without updating
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[16:04] <jcoxon> the fldigi part has lots of modes but the modified bit won't autoconfigure everything
[16:04] <jcoxon> just the common ones
[16:04] <SM5OCI> B-32 is approaching Pamplona. What colour is it? Red? Might be difficult to recover if it lands close to well-known local big animals...
[16:05] <DL7AD> jcoxon: ah okay :/
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> SM5OCI: For .1W of light, this is 10^7m^2, or a beam 3km across
[16:08] <DL7AD> SM5OCI: :D
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[16:10] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: B-32 Flight path http://t.co/joEpcFcjZB
[16:10] <tweetBot> #hamr #hamradio #ukhas
[16:10] <tjanos> Ok, Fitsat/Niwaka had 20W power to 50 LEDS, but from 300 km
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[16:12] <jcoxon> battery on B-32 is nicely charged
[16:12] <tjanos> here we summarizer the experiments: http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=38853#TOP (slow to load all the stories)
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[16:18] <f5vnf> i think i just heard it , i have pips now
[16:18] <arko> LeoBodnar: nice flight for you so far:)
[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sounds hopefull!
[16:19] <f5vnf> very noisy
[16:20] <G8APZ> f5vnf dial freq?
[16:21] <f5vnf> 4phone
[16:26] <DL7AD> we will not get a log :(
[16:28] <f5vnf> lost it
[16:28] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: is this the case? when solar panels are at 0v there will be no log transmitted?
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[16:31] <LeoBodnar> There is no log on this flight
[16:31] <jcoxon> i might slow down the aprs update
[16:31] <Laurenceb> is there a battery voltage over the aprs?
[16:31] <jcoxon> to allow for the normal telemetry to remain on snus for longer
[16:31] <LeoBodnar> Yes, it is encoded in base91
[16:32] <Laurenceb> lol
[16:32] <Laurenceb> we need a script to pass to spacenear
[16:32] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: no log? did you remove the log?
[16:33] <LeoBodnar> yes, I have disabled it for this flight as it became a bit complicated with the new mode since information has to be delivered to encoder in blocks
[16:35] <DL7AD> :(
[16:35] <DL7AD> so we wont get a log from africa
[16:36] Nick change: f5vnf -> f5vnf_
[16:36] <jcoxon> just need to keep tracking it :-)
[16:38] <LeoBodnar> No, no log from Africa :)
[16:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> ping x-f
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> http://www.3news.co.nz/Giant-horse-heads-tower-over-Scotland/tabid/417/articleID/323156/Default.aspx - sort of high altitude - well - at the top
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[16:48] <Reb-SM3ULC> Not much in madrid yet.
[16:51] <G8APZ> Reb-SM3ULC It may need a small yagi at that range
[16:51] <Reb-SM3ULC> mm, a bit hard to guess distance without the scale
[16:54] <Reb-SM3ULC> G8APZ: longing for a balloon to come my way so i can try my ygai. reached about 300 km with dipol only
[16:55] <G8APZ> Reb-SM3ULC Pretty good! My best was a high flight to 40km which I had sigs from at >700km!!
[16:56] <G8APZ> Reb-SM3ULC That was with a 12 ele yagi
[16:58] <Reb-SM3ULC> G8APZ: i still have the log. maybe that is was nice conditions that day...
[16:59] <Reb-SM3ULC> G8APZ: have a half 17 el yagi mounted towards SW waiting to balloon.. :)
[17:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> G8APZ: but i've got one of thos supercheap handheld 70 cm so will try it against the dipol when i have time
[17:00] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[17:00] <G8APZ> Reb-SM3ULC I think it was about 100km beyond the blue ring, during the summer when I was F1VJQ and sig was > 20db didn't decode though since I hadn't mastered fl-digi!
[17:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> G8APZ: 700 is far away :)
[17:01] <G8APZ> I had FLdigi on RTTY instead of SSB ....
[17:01] <DL7AD> madrid websdr has a rtl-dongle
[17:01] <G8APZ> Because the signal was RTTY!!! I was getting inverted signal
[17:02] <G8APZ> DL7AD and what is the antenna?
[17:02] <DL7AD> dont know
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[17:11] <jcoxon> ping fsphil
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[17:14] <tjanos> Hello Peter, are you here?
[17:15] <tjanos> ak4rp: have you any overview about the today,s B-32 story?
[17:16] <tjanos> Ok, seems you are not here, I will summarise it on our <muholdasok> forum for you
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[17:20] <ak4rp> tjanos: I'm here but I was busy with useless workplace stuff, so I'd like to read about it for sure!
[17:23] <tjanos> ok, I send it later to the forum, with actual notes about WRE and 50$sats
[17:24] <tjanos> wren
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[17:27] <ak4rp> tjanos: I'm waiting for my 2m LNA kit to arrive. It seems they are on a prolonged Thanksgiving break. :(
[17:27] <DL1SGP> yeck ak4rp, sorry to hear that
[17:28] <ak4rp> yeah, life is hard
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[17:39] <tjanos> I put the notes to our hungarian forum. Hope your baby is well. Here is something "baranyhimlo jarvany"
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[17:42] <ak4rp> Thank you! this is still not very definite news about the Wren.
[17:43] <ak4rp> we don't need "bárányhimlQ" here; I just realized the biggest manufacturer of baby care products rutinely uses carcinoges and allergens in the baby care products. Effects are pretty similar to bárányhimlQ :(
[17:45] <ak4rp> Still no confirmed TLEs for Wren, right? What are they using for $50sat?
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[17:48] <tjanos> Good to hear about the situation not to have "baranyhimlo". I think 50$sats use the UNISAT5 tle-s wit a little correction, as you proposed too some days ago for our radio amateurs
[17:52] <DL7AD> does anyone know how to solder n-connectors? i have one in front of me consisting 7 pieces.
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[18:04] <eroomde> we're doing SCIENCE in the lab http://i.imgur.com/GCcG8rC.jpg
[18:04] <fsphil> I was expecting something involving beer
[18:04] <fsphil> but that'll do
[18:07] <DL7AD> :D
[18:07] <eroomde> we had a load left over from engine testing
[18:07] <DL7AD> eroomde: next time mix it with beer instead of water :D
[18:07] <eroomde> and it qwon't survive the weekend anyway
[18:07] <eroomde> so...
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[18:08] <eroomde> DL7AD: http://i.imgur.com/meQmbp5.jpg
[18:08] <DL7AD> eroomde: oO
[18:08] <DL7AD> careful careful
[18:09] <eroomde> i wasn't inhaling
[18:09] <eroomde> like bill clinton
[18:09] <eroomde> however, it's now time to go for an actual one
[18:09] <eroomde> so, have a good eve
[18:09] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[18:09] <DL7AD> eroomde: nevertheless its a good photo... have a look whats written on the boiler :D
[18:09] <fsphil> if only I could make out that phone number, I definitly have something to report!
[18:10] <DL7AD> fsphil: your are only missing one number... so there're 10 chances to get the right one :D
[18:11] <fsphil> think there's three more
[18:11] <DL7AD> then there are 1000 chances
[18:11] <DL7AD> :D
[18:13] <arko> eroomde: http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/9823505466/
[18:13] <DL7AD> B-32 will reach madrid in 3 hours.
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[18:19] <ljj> hello ppl
[18:19] <x-f> good evening
[18:19] <x-f> Geoff-G8DHE, pong
[18:20] <ljj> whats the story with b-32 ???
[18:21] <ljj> it is on backup freq
[18:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Hi X-f
[18:21] <x-f> hi, Geoff
[18:21] <ljj> do we know why?
[18:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I was wondering about the timescale on your graphing pages ?
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[18:21] <x-f> it is off by couple of hours?
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[18:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It doesn't always seem to align with the yes thats it
[18:23] <x-f> it's a Javascript issue, it doesn't deal right with UTC and local time and i haven't found how to fix it yet
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[18:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right thats fine, wasn't sure where the offset was coming from! Good luck chasing it down!
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[18:26] <x-f> thanks, i should try harder probably, but.. not today
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[18:43] <ljj> Leo, why b-32 has gone to backup APRS mode???
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[18:46] <arko> http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/11120307725/
[18:46] <arko> i guess powerlines dont like habs
[18:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Oh it did actually catch the lines then ?
[18:48] <arko> i dont like power lines either
[18:48] <arko> yeah
[18:48] <arko> the power company lineman said he saw it on the powerline
[18:48] <arko> did a U turn
[18:48] <arko> it was gone
[18:49] <DL1SGP> owww
[18:49] <arko> it had fallen on the ground below
[18:49] <arko> yeah
[18:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ouch close thing then how long where the lines, could they have shorted out the lines ?
[18:50] <arko> he said it would have been vaporized
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[18:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> that I can believe very easily
[18:50] <LeoBodnar> ljj: the battery voltage has gone down to 3.5v it's probably about -45C there
[18:50] <arko> it was a very very high voltage line for los angeles
[18:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 100Kv's looking at the aerlier picture
[18:51] <arko> yeah
[18:51] <arko> i didnt ask, but im sure its around there
[18:52] <LeoBodnar> Did he charge you for electricity used to burn the cord?
[18:53] <ljj> LeoBodnar: why you don't send telemetry on aprs mode???
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[18:53] <LeoBodnar> I'm sending battery voltage
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[18:56] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: what is the battery voltage now?
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[18:57] <arko> W6YRA: hey!
[18:57] <arko> found out what happen to the hab
[18:57] <arko> and recovered it
[18:57] <arko> you have an email i can forward the story to?
[18:57] <tweetBot> @MalbikEndar: Five Arduino Leonardo compatible boards for $50 - Thanksgiving deal - http://t.co/NvmJF0IYvW http://t.co/jgSHUc9EMh #UKHAS #HABduino
[18:59] Action: DL7AD hates that advertisement
[18:59] <DL7AD> *advertisement in general
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> It is just respun well beaten arduino. What's all the fuss about?
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> 3.5v
[19:00] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: so it went into sleep mode?
[19:01] <LeoBodnar> yes
[19:01] <DL7AD> :/
[19:02] <DL1SGP> Well deserved, it has traveled quite a bit so it should get some rest to give us happy pips again tomorrow
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[19:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> He, four trackers now i madrid
[19:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> five with with websdr..
[19:31] <DL1SGP> :)
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[19:32] <Reb-SM3ULC> Mrs DL7AD .. :)
[19:32] <DL7AD> Reb-SM3ULC: Si?
[19:32] <DL7AD> Reb-SM3ULC: Sí?
[19:33] <DL7AD> but b-32 is frozen... :/
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[19:37] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: yeah, too bad, had hopes of hearing the familiar beeps...
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[19:42] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: i got the same effects to my test balloon
[19:42] <LeoBodnar> which effects?
[19:43] <DL7AD> one moment
[19:43] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: Berlin
[19:44] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qm3i36cbl9pkd3j/IMG_20131129_204131.jpg
[19:46] <LeoBodnar> Have Russians found it then?
[19:46] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: all right?
[19:47] <DL7AD> no
[19:47] <DL7AD> you mean D-2?
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> I thought it was a picture of a recovered balloon
[19:47] <DL7AD> no
[19:48] <DL7AD> thats my third balloon
[19:48] <DL7AD> a test balloon
[19:49] <LeoBodnar> Have you removed aluminised film?
[19:49] <DL7AD> not on purpose
[19:50] <DL7AD> the balloon is already filled with helium for one week
[19:50] <DL7AD> and its floating from time to time thorugh my flat
[19:50] <LeoBodnar> It's easily damaged, it's a few microns think
[19:50] <DL7AD> going up or down from time to time
[19:51] <LeoBodnar> Flying soon?
[19:51] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: do you think that type of balloon can also fly without the aluminium foil?
[19:51] <DL7AD> no
[19:51] <DL7AD> i have no trackers
[19:52] <DL7AD> im currently working on new trackers
[19:52] <LeoBodnar> It's difficult to say, PE part of the film definitely can
[19:52] <LeoBodnar> Not sure about nylon and mylar layers
[19:53] <LeoBodnar> supertemperature will probably increase
[19:53] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: http://dl7ad.de/PICT0004.JPG thats the first prototype
[19:53] <LeoBodnar> aluminium layer is on the outside
[19:53] <DL7AD> aluminium? no its inside i think
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[19:55] <LeoBodnar> Femto haha. Pretentious
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> Outside
[19:55] <DL7AD> thomas had pico... he didnt make it easy to me ^^
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> Femto is three orders of magnitude smaller than pico
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> yours is 50% pico
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> So either pi or co
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> :D
[19:56] <DL7AD> suggest another name leo :P
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> You can confirm that the balloon is conductive with a multimeter
[19:57] <DL7AD> i will test that
[19:57] <LeoBodnar> so don't stick it into powerlines
[19:57] <fsphil> megafly
[19:57] <LeoBodnar> good design has no name
[19:57] <fsphil> deep
[19:58] <DL7AD> fsphil: good one :D
[19:58] <fsphil> call it $$
[19:58] <fsphil> weehab
[19:58] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: you're right. from time to time its scratching at the ceiling
[19:58] <LeoBodnar> habwee
[20:00] <DL7AD> material cost is at 30¬ if i could produce 100 of them (machine soldering included)
[20:07] <mclane> DL7AD: what kind of transmitter chip are you using?
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[20:10] <DL7AD> mclane: its a Si4063
[20:10] <mclane> do you have a schematic?
[20:10] <DL7AD> wait
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[20:19] <Willdude> Ham radio course tomorrow :)
[20:20] <mfa298> Is that course and exam or will it take a few weeks to do the course ?
[20:21] <tjanos> Travel to Africa: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/154521_trj001.gif based on this, in morning at 06 UT it will over Gibraltar..
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: James I have pulled down and compiled your github version just now. It works fine
[20:23] <Willdude> mfa298 course tomorrow, exam sunday
[20:23] <mfa298> good luck with it
[20:24] <Willdude> Thanks Mfa298
[20:25] <Willdude> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8dxk1tutylsqctm/cbc%20interview.mp3 I met this guy like one day before this happened.
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[20:29] <LeoBodnar> Foundation?
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[20:34] <LeoBodnar> Is this mp3 interview about a guy who has received a message online and replied to it and thus been interviewed because of it?
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> Willdude: I am being told all the time that if you can write your name you should pass the Foundation
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[20:45] <Willdude> LeoBodnar, basically
[20:45] <chrisstubbs> Willdude, was this guy as up himself in real life as much as he sounds in that interview?
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[20:46] <LeoBodnar> chrisstubbs: what did this guy do? I have blinked and lost the plot...
[20:47] <chrisstubbs> someone asked a question about their homework on reddit
[20:47] <chrisstubbs> and he answered
[20:47] <chrisstubbs> it was an amazing story
[20:47] <Willdude> chrisstubbs, not really. He just made an answer that often gets repeated and it got noticed
[20:47] <Willdude> The press find that fascinating
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[20:48] <chrisstubbs> good on him for making a good job answering
[20:48] <Willdude> People are told not to expect answers on IRC too
[20:48] <chrisstubbs> but the press are retarded
[20:48] <LeoBodnar> I thought I am going mad
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[20:49] <Willdude> He doesn't sound that up himself
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> I have the same feeling when I land on dailymail website
[20:51] <fsphil> hmmm.. ISON is back from the dead. Zombie Comet
[20:51] <fsphil> which should be a band name, if it isn't already
[20:54] <Willdude> Funnily enough I met him on a non-programming related subreddit
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[20:56] <DL7AD> does anyone know how to solder n connectors consisting 7 pieces?
[20:57] <LeoBodnar> for(int i=0, i<6, i++) Solder two pieces together
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> lol
[20:58] <LeoBodnar> They have given me PL2?? connector to solder onto the cable for my Intermediate practice test. It was a nightmare!
[21:00] <LeoBodnar> I guess N connector is just as bad
[21:00] <DL7AD> ^^
[21:01] <DL7AD> for your test? are you kiddin me?
[21:02] <LeoBodnar> We have to do compulsory practical exercises before sitting the exam
[21:02] <mfa298> Interestingly I think the wording in the spec is to attach a suitable rf plug to a cable - So I wonder what they'de say if you asked to crimp a bnc to some rg58
[21:03] <DL7AD> bnc on an rg58 is easy
[21:03] <LeoBodnar> it's unsuitable. QED. pass
[21:04] <mfa298> DL7AD: I've used some N plugs (and similar bnc/pl259) that use several pieces, although if you look at the parts they're usually fairly obvious
[21:05] <DL7AD> mfa298: no they are not because of this amount of pieces
[21:05] <DL7AD> never seen before
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[21:06] <LeoBodnar> The one I had wasn't and the cable had massive central conductor and braid was oxidised and they didn't have cutters. and they didn't have multimeter to check continuity. and soldering iron was massive. and it melted the PL259 plastic, etc
[21:06] <LeoBodnar> It was a proper RL test
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[21:08] <mfa298> DL7AD: this is the closest I can find to the sort of thing I've used. http://static3.tme.eu/katalog_pics/8/1/f/81f1176a5c729cc400d79caf98ffcf47/nc-002.jpg
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> aka you found yourself in somebody's kitchen and need to repair a cable and all you have is a gas boiler, a nail and a par of scissors
[21:10] <mfa298> for pl259 in that situation you could probably just use a banana plug - or shove it in the hole
[21:10] <mfa298> probably won't be much worse than using a pl259
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[21:13] <DL7AD> mfa298: yes thats it
[21:14] <DL7AD> to all our german speakers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4V0alo4SuE :D
[21:15] <DL1SGP> there are German speakers out here?
[21:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSgw7UVfriY
[21:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> N-plug termonation
[21:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> termination even
[21:17] <mclane> ja
[21:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Now anybody know who does small quantities of PSA4-5043+ like 3 or 4 in the UK ?
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[21:33] <mfa298> DL7AD: it should be similar to that video. Although if it's a larger piece (like top right in that image) you might find it pushes inside the coax between the dialerct and the braid
[21:34] <DL7AD> oO everthing is measured in inces in this video ^^
[21:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> 25.4mm=1"
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[21:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> mainly because it was developed by Mr Neills ? An American ?
[21:35] <DL7AD> or having a scale wich can switch to inches :P
[21:35] <mfa298> i tend to just cut things long then check the fit and trim as necessary
[21:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Must admit so do I !
[21:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> other than the inner which if you cut after removing the dielectric tends to splay out!
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[21:38] <mfa298> i tend to make sure it's twisted tightly when removing the dielectric and then cut with decent side cutters or scalpel
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[21:58] <DL7AD> mfa298: what about this problem: the inner wire does not fit in the pin+
[21:58] <mfa298> you mean the centre conductor and the pin
[21:59] <mfa298> that might mean you bought the wrong connector for the coax
[21:59] <DL7AD> yes
[21:59] <DL7AD> ehm i dont know.... i did not buy it
[21:59] <mfa298> some types of coax (e.g. westflex 103) has a slightly larger centre conductor so needs a special N plug
[21:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> You do need to specify the cable/size when you order plugs/sockets :-(
[22:00] <DL7AD> i didnt buy it :
[22:00] <DL7AD> have to fix it the rude way now
[22:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> What co-ax are you using ?
[22:00] <DL7AD> airxom
[22:00] <DL7AD> aircom
[22:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> RG213 /316 58/U ?
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[22:02] <DL7AD> no its aircom plus not rg213 or something like that
[22:02] <DL7AD> but its like rg213
[22:03] <DL1SGP> yeah diameter wise it can be compared to rg213 but less lossy and more expensive
[22:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup you need specials see http://www.on4sh.be/ham/coax/
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[22:04] <DL1SGP> sven, if you only plan to setup temporary go for the rude fix, but on a long run I would suggest getting the correct connectors for your coax to ensure taht it will perform as you expect from such expensive stuff :)
[22:04] <mfa298> looks like it's a similar size to Westflex 103
[22:04] <mfa298> so will need special N plugs
[22:04] <mfa298> 2.7mm inner diameter
[22:05] <mfa298> makeup looks similar with partly air spaced dielectric and braid +foil
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[22:06] <mfa298> soldering the pin to that sort of centre is fun - The dielectric melts before the you can get the centre uo to temperature if you're not careful
[22:07] <DL1SGP> DL7AD: the electronics supplier with blue font starting by letter R and located near Bremen has what you need :) Artikel-Nr.: UG 21/7
[22:07] <DL1SGP> .oO( in case you are using Aircell 7 )
[22:07] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: can they ship it within 12 hours?
[22:08] <DL1SGP> no :)
[22:08] <DL1SGP> well they could
[22:08] <DL7AD> what a pity.... next option
[22:08] <mfa298> you probably need a local ham shop if you want it quickly
[22:08] <DL1SGP> if you paid for it :)
[22:09] <DL1SGP> There is a Conrad in Berlin, ain't that the case?
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[22:11] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: conrad wont have this
[22:11] <DL1SGP> The store with C has them under Product-ID 744914 - 62
[22:12] <DL1SGP> not available in any of the berlin branches
[22:14] <sv1ljj> goodnight ppl
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[22:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Goognight
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[22:19] <EA4GLI> Hi guys. Now you have 5 stations in Madrid, listening. One more will be added tonight. If anything comes close we will make sure to hear it.
[22:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think the batteries are below limits at present, it should re-appear with the Sun tomorrow ..
[22:20] <DL1SGP> Hola EA4GLI the payload is sleeping right now, but it will re-appear with sunlight *fingers crossed*
[22:20] <DL1SGP> thanks for your efforts!
[22:21] <EA4GLI> No problem. Glad to be of help.
[22:22] <DL1SGP> :) cool
[22:23] <EA4GLI> DoWe do a lot of weather balloon hunting.
[22:23] <DL1SGP> you can just ask here in any case of question, the folks around will try their best to help, at least as long as ninja goats permit
[22:23] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: gehst du zur interradio?
[22:23] <EA4GLI> We broadcast them on Aprs.fi
[22:24] <DL1SGP> DL7AD: Nein. Leider hab ich hier einiges vorzubereiten
[22:24] <EA4GLI> Ninja goats? Care to explain? :)
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[22:25] <DL1SGP> just a joke that sometimes comes up in here EA4GLI, about goats that can get upset and ruin your day
[22:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zamF3Y-rBxM
[22:27] <EA4GLI> We just entertain ourselves with wine... No ninja goats here... ;)
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[22:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> He's gone to check on his Goats ?
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[22:28] <DL7AD> mfa298: i found the error why it did not fit in.
[22:28] <DL1SGP> it was a virgin?
[22:28] <DL1SGP> :D
[22:29] <DL7AD> it was already used and old solder was still in it
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[22:29] <DL1SGP> yeck
[22:29] <DL1SGP> burned out with torch?
[22:29] <DL7AD> hehe
[22:29] <mfa298> old solder won't help
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[22:30] <DL7AD> indeed
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[22:35] <EA4GLI> The goat kicked me out....
[22:35] <DL1SGP> damn ninja goats
[22:35] <EA4GLI> Now I get it :)
[22:36] <DL7AD> wow i did it :D
[22:37] <EA4GLI> Ok I'm out. Cool talking to you guys. If we run into any problem will be sure to ask here.
[22:38] <EA4GLI> Thanks for the laughs. TTYL
[22:38] <DL1SGP> buenas noches EA4GLI
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[22:40] <EA4GLI> Vielen danke
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[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[22:41] <DL1SGP> http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/nothing-to-do.jpg
[22:41] <DL1SGP> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> hallo
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> wie gehts?
[22:42] <DL7AD> guten abend Lunar_Lander
[22:42] <chrisstubbs> DL1SGP, do not joke about broken glass
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> hi
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7444/11121668125_6891a04455_b.jpg
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> I call it "Shattered dreams"
[22:45] <DL1SGP> hmm chrisstubbs few weeks ago a glass door decided to break and dissolve into tiny sharp pieces over me ... EUR 320 it was quite clear that it was a production error
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[22:47] <DL1SGP> did the glass break due to heat chrisstubbs?
[22:47] <chrisstubbs> DL1SGP, Yeah :(
[22:48] <chrisstubbs> It was fine up to 60
[22:48] <chrisstubbs> then i ramped it up to 80C and it cracked at 79 :(
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[22:48] <DL1SGP> damn!
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[22:51] <SpeedEvil> Glass does not break due to even heat.
[22:52] <SpeedEvil> Differential temperature, or differential expansion/contraction against another material it's fixed to will cause issues
[22:52] <SpeedEvil> If you made that out of tempered glass, there would not be a problem.
[22:53] <SpeedEvil> Because that has lots of 'locked in' tension due to the outside of the glass being cooled first, rapidly.
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[22:53] <Broliv> evening all
[22:53] <chrisstubbs> SpeedEvil, I suspect there was a crack on the edge from when I cut it
[22:54] <chrisstubbs> having a actual diamond glass cutter might have helped
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[22:54] <SpeedEvil> chrisstubbs: that doesn't help.
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> tidying up the edges, and thenpainting in epoxy helps lots.
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> Seals themicro-cracks, and removes sites where cracks can nucleate
[22:55] <chrisstubbs> Yeah proper cutter on the way and will get the edges nice
[22:55] <chrisstubbs> ah cool
[22:55] <chrisstubbs> might try that too then
[22:55] <DL7AD> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p6hqMnsLFY
[22:55] <Broliv> Could someone help get a flight document approved for me?
[22:56] <DL7AD> Broliv: you have to write the identification number on the #habhub channel
[22:57] <Broliv> ahh right, thank :)
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[22:58] <Broliv> *thanks
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[23:03] <DL7AD> Broliv: if everyone is sleeping now it could take 8 hours from now on
[23:04] <Broliv> haha, not a problem
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[23:05] <Broliv> the last time i did a launch i'd not had the flight doc approved until the 11th hour
[23:05] <chrisstubbs> If you dont get a reply leave your email address and someone should pick it up
[23:06] <Broliv> thanks chris, thats pretty sensible
[23:10] <mfa298> failing that you just need to join the group who are permanently connected to irc
[23:15] <Broliv> thats true
[23:15] <Broliv> what do you guys do for that? Do you leave your pc's on all day or do you use a bot or something simialr?
[23:15] <Broliv> *similar
[23:17] <mfa298> I've got linux servers which are one 24/7 which is where I run IRC clients
[23:18] <Broliv> ahh ok
[23:18] <mfa298> and I think most others use some sort of linux system (often a vps hosted somewhere)
[23:19] <mfa298> if you wanted to get into using console based irc clients that could be a good use for a raspberry pi.
[23:20] <Broliv> thats a good idea
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[23:32] <jcoxon> Hey what's the status B32?
[23:37] <DL7AD> jcoxon: the battery is frozen and many receivers in madrid acted too late
[23:38] <fsphil> ah it came back, I thought it was still lost over france
[23:38] <DL7AD> jcoxon: when sun will rise it will be at the border of south spain
[23:41] <DL7AD> jcoxon fsphil: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_155675&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
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[23:43] <DL7AD> fsphil: sorry this one is correct http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_155701&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html
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[23:49] <DL7AD> okay im off to bed. bye.
[23:50] <Broliv> see ya
[23:52] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/RpYTz.gif
[23:52] <Broliv> lol
[23:53] <Broliv> http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/the-john-lewis-christmas-ad-alternate-ending
[23:54] <Broliv> just to get you in the christmas mood
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