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[07:03] <arko> If MobileNathan comes online someone please tell him the Sunday launch is cancelled
[07:04] <arko> err
[07:04] <arko> tomorrows launch
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[07:49] <Brian-g0hdi> 'Morning all, SP3OSJ doesn't seem to have moved all night. I'm still outside the blue line, but I suppose that's accademic no the batt volatge is so low now. Wonder if there's any chance of charging when the sun comes up?.
[07:50] <x-f> it is possible, but it should be somewhere in Spain by now
[07:52] <Brian-g0hdi> Oh dear, something wrong with my map then. It's embedded on my site. I'll try the direct route.
[07:53] <x-f> last data is from yesterday, that's why it hasn't moved
[07:54] <Brian-g0hdi> Ah! silly me. Bit early...I'll re-boot my brain now hi. Good to go then. thanks!
[07:55] <x-f> heh, good morning :)
[07:56] <Brian-g0hdi> G'Day! where are you anyway?
[07:56] <x-f> i'm two hours ahead of you - in Latvia
[08:00] <Brian-g0hdi> Ok.. 5.7c and overcast here...See NERDTEST up country..Hopefully StratoDean will launch soon.
[08:02] <x-f> Stratodean has been postponed this weekend :/
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[08:03] <x-f> "Thank you all for your readiness to track and we will give you an update as soon as possible."
[08:03] <x-f> are you on the UKHAS mailing list?
[08:03] <Brian-g0hdi> yes I am.
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[08:04] <x-f> that was posted on Friday
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[08:05] <Brian-g0hdi> yes I know, by say hope soon I meant any day soon, not this weekend
[08:07] <x-f> sorry, lost that in translation then :)
[08:09] <Brian-g0hdi> No Probs.. Guess I'll have to make do with boring ham stuff in the meantime *smile*. Think I'm becoming a HAB addict now.
[08:09] <Upu> make a tracker Brian-g0hdi :)
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[08:13] <Brian-g0hdi> That means I would have to put it up in the air. A lot involved there it seems. Wonder what airline pilots think about this hobby?.
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[08:20] <Brian-g0hdi> Oh well, I'm going to kick start the normal day now so see you later chaps. Have a nice day!
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[09:13] <Maxell> Morning
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[09:26] <DL7AD> good morning
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[09:52] <nats`> ho
[09:54] <eroomde> new firmware for my digital camera
[09:54] <eroomde> despite being a discontinued product
[09:54] <eroomde> that's very nice of fuji
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[10:15] <jcoxon> morning all
[10:15] <nats`> hi
[10:15] <nats`> Upu what version of the MAX-7 are you selling ?
[10:15] <nats`> I don't find your website url
[10:16] <PE2G> Good Morning
[10:16] <x-f> ava.upuaut.net/store
[10:16] <PE2G> Just recieved a message on the French Met-Radiosonde mailing list
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[10:18] <PE2G> Strong DominoEx received on 434.500 in Britanny
[10:18] <PE2G> Rx by F4GBV
[10:18] <DL1SGP1> sounds leo :)
[10:19] <DL1SGP1> goede morgen PE2G
[10:19] <PE2G> Guten Morgen DL1SGP1
[10:20] <DL1SGP1> could you get him to record / decode ?
[10:20] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
[10:20] <PE2G> He is a she: http://f4gbv.over-blog.com/
[10:22] <jcoxon> wonder which one it is
[10:22] <jcoxon> its been a few days since the last launch
[10:22] <DL1SGP> could be the one that went over to Pyrenees
[10:23] <Upu> nats` 7Q and 7C have you found the site ?
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[10:23] <jcoxon> bbl
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[10:23] <Upu> PE2G anything decoding ?
[10:24] <PE2G> I know that PA2GLA, who recovered B-26, goes to Brittany quite often
[10:24] <PE2G> I'll send him a text message
[10:24] <Upu> intresting
[10:24] <Upu> ok southern stations have a sweep
[10:25] <nats`> Upu I checking on it :)
[10:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I'll shoot upstairs to the shack!
[10:27] <PE2G> However, I'd expect that PA2GLA would announce a re-launch of B-26
[10:27] <Upu> yeah
[10:28] <Upu> it maybe one thats previously died but come back but very interested
[10:28] <Upu> see if we can get more info from the french station that RX'd it
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing immiedately visible/heard but it might be in 5minute mode
[10:29] <Upu> yeah I'm watching the waterfall but probably not in the best location
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> wobbly carrier on 434.501.500 ?
[10:30] <fsphil> would be amazing if this turned out to be one of the older ones
[10:30] <Upu> what time was this reported PE2G and have you got a link ?
[10:32] <PE2G> Upu: at 09:17 UTC, no link, it was on this mailing list: http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/radiosonde-monitoring/
[10:32] <fsphil> who hears dominoex and doesn't decode it :)
[10:32] <DL1SGP> heh
[10:33] <Upu> ok I mailed the list
[10:34] <fsphil> we really need a network of SDRs on 434mhz
[10:34] <Upu> I'll ping Alain on Twitter
[10:35] <nats`> fsphil you mean computer with network access ?
[10:35] <Darkside> yes he does
[10:35] <Darkside> :P
[10:35] <fsphil> lots of rtlsdr's with habamps
[10:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hum she is quite well down round Saint Nazire on the West coast
[10:35] <fsphil> and raspberry pi's -- they just need to stream the data
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh she is on the map as well
[10:36] <wd8mnv> which of the Bs went in that direction?
[10:36] <nats`> fsphil if you know a "safe" way to give access to that I will gladly add one here
[10:36] <nats`> B31
[10:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Many of the B's could well have floated around that way
[10:37] <PE2G> Original maling list message: "bonjour, y a -t-il un ballon style "dominoex16" en ce moment au dessus de notre tête?
[10:37] <PE2G> ça arrive très fort chez moi. 73, isabelle"
[10:38] <Upu> decode it already :)
[10:39] <wd8mnv> didn't one land in that general area?
[10:40] <PE2G> "il s'agit vraiment de 434.500. 73 isabelle"
[10:40] <fsphil> signs are good
[10:41] <nats`> oO
[10:41] <nats`> you mean B31 could be still ont he air ?
[10:41] <fsphil> or on the ground near her
[10:41] <fsphil> or one escaped leo early
[10:42] <nats`> that would be great but on the ground it should be really near
[10:42] <nats`> seeing how the antenna is made it touch the ground
[10:42] <PE2G> No reply from PA2GLA yet
[10:42] <fsphil> it could be in a tree nats`
[10:43] <nats`> ohhh yes those f*cking tree :p
[10:43] <nats`> I hate them
[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> F4GBV is running dl-fldigi within the last hour so she can decode it if its decodable
[10:43] <bertrik> what happened to SP3OSJ?
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> battery died
[10:44] <bertrik> oh, empty battery I suppose
[10:44] <fsphil> it did have solar so there's a tiny chance it'll come back
[10:44] <fsphil> but the solar panels didn't seem to be working too well either
[10:45] <bertrik> oh wow, it got to -71 degrees C temperature
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> After the battery died the solar voltage shoot up, almost looked like a circuit failure
[10:46] <bertrik> pity, but still a very nice flight
[10:46] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: If it was using Vcc as an analogue reference, as that dipped it could have caused a high reading on the solar.
[10:46] <daveake> good point
[10:46] <daveake> very good point
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes it was timed with that very http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/120d309024cfd89edfcd528fa7873013#g/altitude,battery,solar
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well nothing visible here on 434.5±
[10:50] <craag> And the temperature was completely off, yeah I don't think you can trust anything of that last blip, chip was probably in/close to brown-out.
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> The battery voltage was recorded as 0.48v at one point
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[11:14] <craag> This looks like the start of something good: https://github.com/csete/fcdec
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[11:16] <bertrik> but, funcube-1 already has a rather nice telemetry decoding application ...
[11:17] <bertrik> or is this about funcube, the dongle?
[11:17] <mfa298> bertrik: but isn't that only if you're running windows?
[11:18] <bertrik> oh, possibly
[11:19] <craag> it could be better. The idea with this appears to be that you just pipe audio in, and it gives you the decoded frames out, no fuss.
[11:19] <craag> Unix Way: Does one job, and does it well.
[11:24] <fsphil> I've had so many problems with the windows version
[11:25] <mfa298> I've not caught enough passes to see any problems yet
[11:26] Action: mfa298 sees there's another pass in a few minutes
[11:27] <fsphil> I'll give it a pass
[11:27] <craag> fsphil: BTW have you had any luck with pulseaudio and gqrx recently?
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[11:28] <cm13g09> hmm, I know this isn't #ha related, but opinions on this please people: Need to write a client-side app that literally hooks a serial port to a network socket and passes between the two
[11:28] <cm13g09> Question is: which languages?
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[11:28] <cm13g09> I'm toying with the idea of Java and using RXTX
[11:28] <cm13g09> to make it cross-platform
[11:28] <fsphil> I've not gone near it for a while craag. just started playing with it again yesterday
[11:28] <cm13g09> else I have to rewrite it for each platform....
[11:29] <cm13g09> fsphil: I'll give you a hint.... gqrx and Ubuntu 13.10 probably don
[11:29] <cm13g09> *don't mix
[11:29] <cm13g09> it's got PulseAudio doing special things
[11:29] <craag> fsphil: ok, I was going to say I haven't tried it in 13.10 yet..
[11:29] <fsphil> I'm on Fedora, equally annoying
[11:29] <bertrik> cm13g09: can you perhaps just buy such a thing? like a Moxa?
[11:30] <craag> but sounds like it wouldn't have much chance of working then cmalton!
[11:30] <fsphil> the best cross-platform is releasing the source code
[11:30] <cm13g09> bertrik: It's not that I want a listening TCP socket....
[11:30] <fsphil> and not writing in C#/VB
[11:30] <cm13g09> fsphil: I appreciate that
[11:30] <cm13g09> but it's kinda a commercial project
[11:30] <fsphil> ah
[11:31] <cm13g09> closed-source-ness isn't a problem
[11:31] <cm13g09> (although realistically, open-sourced-ness won't be a problem on this on either...)
[11:32] <cm13g09> Essentially, I need to end up with a UDP (yes, UDP) data stream between my server in London, and a bunch of devices on an RS485 network
[11:32] <fsphil> python?
[11:32] <cm13g09> although bertrik, I note the Moxa boxes do that ;)
[11:33] <cm13g09> fsphil: I'm thinking Python as well
[11:33] <cm13g09> it's what everything else is written in
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[11:35] <cm13g09> just not convinced about forcing another runtime on people
[11:35] <cm13g09> hence the Java
[11:36] <craag> You can use py2exe
[11:36] <cm13g09> yeah, true
[11:36] <craag> I do that with habrotate, end up with a dir of an exe and a bunch of DLLs that runs standalone.
[11:36] <fsphil> if python is already there though?
[11:36] <cm13g09> fsphil: yeah
[11:37] <cm13g09> I just can't rely on python being on the target machine
[11:37] <cm13g09> (because I don't control said target machine)
[11:37] <fsphil> ah I thought you said it was already used
[11:37] <cm13g09> it is....
[11:37] <cm13g09> for everything else
[11:37] <cm13g09> which runs server-side ;)
[11:37] <fsphil> gotcha
[11:38] <cm13g09> the whole point of this is that my customers should end up running a tiny exec
[11:38] <fsphil> rules out java then :)
[11:38] <cm13g09> lol
[11:38] <fsphil> if it's fairly certain they'll be using windows, then maybe just C++
[11:38] <cm13g09> with java I can use Java Web Launch
[11:39] <cm13g09> Eww..
[11:39] <cm13g09> shudder
[11:39] <cm13g09> C++
[11:39] <fsphil> or c#
[11:39] <cm13g09> much nicer
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[11:39] <cm13g09> although I know I'll end up with some mac users :P
[11:39] <cm13g09> Win/Mac are primary
[11:40] <fsphil> I believe there are oss c# compilers
[11:40] <cm13g09> Lin needs to happen as well
[11:40] <fsphil> but you'd not be able to use windows apis
[11:40] <cm13g09> yeah
[11:40] Action: cm13g09 thinks Java
[11:40] <cm13g09> much as I hate it
[11:51] Action: cm13g09 installs Eclipse...
[11:54] <fsphil> is your computer still working?
[11:56] Action: mfa298 thinks he has an eclipse CD somewhere, probably version 0.1
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[11:57] <cm13g09> fsphil: yeah
[11:57] <cm13g09> just about!
[11:58] <cm13g09> but it is a octo-core with 12GB of RAM
[11:58] <fsphil> oh nice
[11:58] <fsphil> you could run two copies of eclipse with that
[11:59] <fsphil> the latest versions of visual studio seem to be slower than eclipse
[11:59] <cm13g09> just trying to work out how to deal with libRXTX
[11:59] <cm13g09> which seems to have interesting behaviour ;)
[12:01] <Darkside> urgh
[12:01] <Darkside> also doesnt work nicely on 64-bit
[12:01] <Darkside> well, 64-bit mac anyway
[12:01] <cm13g09> Darkside: unless you have a better suggestion?
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[12:01] <Darkside> pyserial? >_>
[12:02] <cm13g09> (the only other contender is python - but that won't be installed on most target machines and I'd quite like web-launchability
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[12:02] <Darkside> will librxtx work with th eweb launchable stuff though?
[12:02] <cm13g09> Darkside: apparently so
[12:05] <cm13g09> and Eclipse promptly falls asleep :P
[12:05] <Darkside> heh
[12:05] <cm13g09> in fact....
[12:05] <cm13g09> it looks like it might've crashed
[12:06] <fsphil> it's written in java btw :)
[12:06] <cm13g09> I know
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[12:07] <mfa298> what else do you expect from Oracle ?
[12:07] <cm13g09> lol - true
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[12:19] <cm13g09> even Java is painful
[12:20] <cm13g09> but at least I won't have to install pyGTK on target systems
[12:20] <cm13g09> (which was my main concern with python)
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[12:24] <fsphil> gtk on windows is not nice in general
[12:26] <cm13g09> fsphil: quite ;)
[12:27] <cm13g09> and LeoBodnar's done it again it seems by that post to the list....
[12:27] <cm13g09> balloons turning up in funny places!
[12:28] <G8APZ> probably launched in the night with no announcements!! Listen carefully I shall say this only once!
[12:29] <G8APZ> A present for the French Resistance
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[12:37] <LeoBodnar> haven't launched anything since B-31 :D moving offices instead
[12:40] <eroomde> still at silverstone?
[12:43] <LeoBodnar> yeah now in Silverstone village
[12:44] <eroomde> cool
[12:47] <G8APZ> Maybe reported Domino sigs are from the one that almost reached Andorra.... for a new DXCC!!!
[12:48] <G8APZ> Perhaps it took off again!
[12:51] <LeoBodnar> How do we know it was Domino?
[12:52] <G8APZ> I don't have the email - it's on my laptop which is a few miles away, but I think it said Domino and 434.500
[12:53] <G8APZ> "heard in Brittany" allegedly, but that was all...it was from Steve
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[12:57] <PE2G> Isabelle F4GBV was quite sure she heard DominoEx on 434.500 around 9:00 UTC.
[12:57] <PE2G> Her QTH is: http://no.nonsense.ee/qth/map.html?qth=IN87wk
[12:59] <G8APZ> Interesting... I don't suppose any telemetry blocks?
[13:00] <PE2G> She sowed up on snus, but we never saw a decode
[13:01] <PE2G> I've asked her for an audio recording by email, but no reply yet
[13:01] <G8APZ> Pity.... some bad decodes have enough info in them to be repaired!
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[13:01] <G8APZ> Or at least ident the source and lat/long
[13:01] <PE2G> Yes, would be nice
[13:03] <PE2G> She reported a very strong signal: "ça arrive très fort chez moi"
[13:03] <G8APZ> PE2G Well that's cl;ear enough.... it should be audible over a wide range unless it is only low altitude
[13:04] <G8APZ> No other reports?
[13:05] <G8APZ> SP3OSJ was on a path in that region but I don't know the QRG or mode
[13:06] <PE2G> None. Maybe she's come to the conclusion that it's on the ground near her and looking for it. I'm just guessing...
[13:07] <G8APZ> On the ground or in a tree.... sounds a reasonable assumption....maybe it will be recovered if it is that strong!
[13:07] <PE2G> SP3OSJ was on 437.7
[13:08] <G8APZ> OK not that one then! looks like one of Leo's
[13:08] <PE2G> She was sure the signal was on 434.500
[13:08] <G8APZ> Leo's personal QRG!
[13:08] <PE2G> :)
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[13:28] <DL7AD> afternoon
[13:36] <tjanos> Good afternoon Sven!
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[13:42] <PE2G> Just got a message from Philippe F4GRT saying that he'd mastered dl-fldigi.
[13:42] <PE2G> Nice, since his QRA is near Marseille
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[13:54] <x-f> the snow is falling :/
[13:55] <Brian-g0hdi> Keep it over there please *smile*
[13:56] <x-f> it is going south-east, you're safe
[13:57] <Brian-g0hdi> Nice!..I take it no-one has re-aquired SP3OSSJ now the sun's up. Is that it now ....Toes up ?
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[14:02] <mfa298> Brian-g0hdi: I'd have assumed it would have been heard yesterday if it was going to re-appear with a bit of sun.
[14:03] <mfa298> also Hi, I'm another of the people up the road in Southampton.
[14:05] <DL1SGP> Southampton is cool :)
[14:07] <Brian-g0hdi> I thought maybe cloud cover yesterday may have stopped solar cell charging batts, but now it's over Spain somewhere the sky might be clear, or something like that hi.
[14:08] <Brian-g0hdi> Not so cool as yesterday now that NE wind has dropped.
[14:08] <mfa298> true, although not as many listening stations there so less chance of it being heard.
[14:09] <Brian-g0hdi> Could be right there!
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[14:26] <Brian-g0hdi> Nice busy shack Geoff..See you're still getting mileage out of those old Tube monitors hi. Nice site!.
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[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh I do indeed I think one set must have been running foe close on 15 years without a power off!
[14:28] <Brian-g0hdi> Stone me!
[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Which site are you looking at ?
[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> I daren't turn it off not sure it would come back on!
[14:29] <Brian-g0hdi> The one I found on QRZ.com
[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> g8dhe.com then ?
[14:30] <Brian-g0hdi> Yes, that's it
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[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> This is a bit more recent ;-) http://360.g8dhe.net/default.php?80810 but only a bit
[14:31] <Brian-g0hdi> That farm on the tower is as big as my bungalow. Green with envy!!
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Had it down last week and refurbished all the rotators, I think next year the aerials will have to be replaced as well
[14:32] <Brian-g0hdi> I had a mere 6 metre hb9cv up in one qth. Council said is was an eyesore..Made me take it down grrrrr
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah I grew mine, it started out as just a pole 5m at ground level, but if you water them they slide up the mounts I found
[14:34] <Brian-g0hdi> Obviously well trained neighbours.
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> then after a few more years the pole turned into square and did a Dr Who and turned telescopic ;-)
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/default.php?80820
[14:35] <nats`> I think I have someone near me doing some sort of serial txing test
[14:36] <Brian-g0hdi> Nice!. Mind you now I'm in the HAB club as it were. No--one's going to have a connary over a 70 beam, right?.
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> probably not mind you there are some very long ones ;-) Having said that the collinear works best for most flights its only when I need the last few Km's that the Beams come into operation
[14:37] <nats`> I have a question for ham here, yesterday I hear a conversation between two ham is it correct to try to contact them via the internet to have some link in this field
[14:37] <mfa298> only anoyance there is HABs tend to be vertical polaristation instead of Horizontal for most of the other interesting stuff on 70cms
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> nats`, Most won't mind do a search for the callsigns and you may well find a web page or go to qrz.com and see if they have any details published
[14:38] <PE2G> Looking at B-31's last position: 46.7785, -1.8931 (6383 m, no burst observed, Nov 20, 00:48)
[14:39] <PE2G> According to this archive hysplit, B-31 might have come near F4GBV's QTH: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/190858_trj001.gif
[14:39] <Brian-g0hdi> Clever panoramic Geoff. trees are naked but the tower is well dressed.
[14:39] <PE2G> Watch the 3300 m trajectory
[14:41] <Brian-g0hdi> I don't do 70 normally so fixed virtical beam would be cool for me. Local emporium doesn't do any apparently, so means a trip to Chertsey by the look of it
[14:42] <PE2G> F4GBV's QTH is about here: 47.439 -2.121
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[14:44] <Brian-g0hdi> Also been concidering the Sirio SA270LN 5x 5/8 th's local emporium
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-31_20131119/index.php?ind=3
[14:45] <mfa298> a lot of people have been successful with a simple dual band colinear
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not looked at any new aerials for a while now, but I'll have to start considering, the 2m beam the plastic supports for the driven elements where all cracked and probably leaking moisture last week.
[14:47] <Brian-g0hdi> That's whay I have, but only just started monitoring so not initiated yet sadly.
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right off to watch the Grand Prix and find some food AFK
[14:47] <Brian-g0hdi> Bye Geoff
[14:48] <mattbrejza> Geoff-G8DHE: thanks for reminding me :)
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[14:48] <Brian-g0hdi> I'll going to brew up and dunk some digestives....Bye!!
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[14:49] <mattbrejza> anyone transmitting on .650 in soton?
[14:50] Action: cm13g09 mutters something about librxtx
[14:50] <mfa298> that might be me
[14:50] <mattbrejza> sandles
[14:50] <mfa298> 600bd rtty
[14:50] <mfa298> yep thats me
[14:50] <mattbrejza> sandALS rather
[14:50] <mfa298> should be capitals
[14:50] <cm13g09> nice one mfa298
[14:50] <mfa298> it's RPI GPIO bit banging
[14:51] <mfa298> if you can see that you might find some DominoEX16 on .525
[14:52] <mattbrejza> yea found that too
[14:52] <mattbrejza> beard
[14:52] <mfa298> names based on Dave's comments on the Wiki
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[14:53] <mfa298> annoyingly no lock.
[14:53] <mattbrejza> what module?
[14:53] <mfa298> ntx2 for .650, ntx2b for .525
[14:54] <mattbrejza> gps
[14:54] <mattbrejza> i knew the ntx2 as i saw it power up :P
[14:54] <mfa298> max6
[14:54] <mattbrejza> k
[14:55] <daveake> hah mfa298
[14:55] <mfa298> I think it's gained some extra noise now it's on a pcb above the pi, I could get lock inside when it was on some breadboard :S
[14:55] <daveake> Yeah the Pi isn't the quietest device around
[14:56] <cm13g09> I appear to be failing at using librxtx
[14:56] <mfa298> works if I open the window and stick it outside, but it's a bit cold for that.
[14:56] <cm13g09> lol
[14:57] <mfa298> next bit is to see if I can fix the DominoEX class to do something that isn't DominoEX 16.
[14:57] <cm13g09> heh
[14:58] <cm13g09> I need to try and figure out why rxtx isn't showing me any ports :P
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[15:57] <MobileNathan> Hello
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[15:58] <x-f> hi
[15:58] <x-f> 09:03:58 <arko> If MobileNathan comes online someone please tell him the Sunday launch is cancelled
[15:58] <x-f> 09:04:04 <arko> err
[15:59] <x-f> 09:04:07 <arko> tomorrows launch
[15:59] <MobileNathan> I know.
[15:59] <x-f> good
[15:59] <MobileNathan> It sucks, I was looking forward to that.
[16:00] <x-f> was it something technical or the weather again?
[16:00] <MobileNathan> Weather. Predictions were putting it over just about every class B airspace in the area.
[16:02] <x-f> somebody entered the wrong waypoints
[16:02] <MobileNathan> ?& You mean the predictions are incorrect then?
[16:03] <x-f> nah, it was a bad joke, ignore it :)
[16:04] <MobileNathan> Lol, haha.
[16:06] <MobileNathan> Well I am relatively new to HABs (haven't done my first launch yet), so this would have been interesting to see. But I'm going to arko's hackerspace on Tuesday.
[16:10] <MobileNathan> Does anyone else here go to arko's hackerspace?
[16:12] <Upu> no but I'd like too
[16:12] <Upu> it looks very well equipeed
[16:12] <Upu> equipped
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[16:13] <MobileNathan> Yeah, I think it's going to be interesting. I listened to one of arko's lectures; he seems to have a LOT of knowledge with HABs.
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[16:29] <eroomde> MobileNathan: I have been to arko's hackerspace
[16:29] <eroomde> it's good
[16:29] <MobileNathan> Are you going this Tuesday eroomde?
[16:32] <eroomde> no, I live in the UK
[16:32] <eroomde> it's a bit far when i have a workshop here in oxfordshire
[16:32] <MobileNathan> Lol, I know what you mean. I go to England every year.
[16:35] <eroomde> family?
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[16:40] <MobileNathan> Yeah, both my parents grew up there. We have family in all parts of England, friends too.
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[16:52] <cm13g09> craag: yep PA on 13.10 is still borked
[16:52] <cm13g09> I just experienced the Skype glitch with PA on 13.10
[16:53] <cm13g09> (Where anything trying to use ALSA causes PA to inject an extra delay
[16:58] <Reb-SM3ULC> cm13g09: PulseAudio?
[16:59] <mfa298> there's a nice easy fix for Pulse Audio, known as Windows :P
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[17:08] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: Linux+sound has been a long tragic story
[17:08] <Reb-SM3ULC> Trying to find solutions for going multi-vfo, not that easy...
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> Pusaudio hasn't helped.
[17:10] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: it's something I've mostly stayed away from, seems like audio on Linux is always changing (last thing I really knew about was eSound)
[17:11] <cm13g09> sorry - was in Java-lan
[17:11] <cm13g09> *land
[17:12] <bertrik> I was under the impression the PA should now be the final one-standard-to-rule-them-all
[17:13] <cm13g09> bertrik: it is...
[17:13] <cm13g09> just not a good standard :P
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[17:13] <cm13g09> (after all, who wants N ms of delay injected into their audio
[17:14] <bertrik> cm13g09: I know pulseaudio can handle resampling between streams, I guess it needs the delay for that
[17:14] <cm13g09> mm
[17:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> btw, close to audio-question.. anyone installed websdr?
[17:19] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: what one are you looking at ?
[17:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: pa3's etc
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[17:26] <mfa298> you mean the software behind http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ ?
[17:27] <mfa298> I think it's only possible to get the code if you've got a particularly good project for it - I don't think it's freely available
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[17:30] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: ah, tried to find info about it but google-karma has been low.. probably best to talk to pa3 i guess
[17:30] <mfa298> I think people have got copies of it to use but you need to ask for it.
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[17:31] <mfa298> The main rx is using some specialist hardware, but I think it works with some other hardware
[17:31] <mfa298> there was some information abou it on the links from the top of the page
[17:34] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: i know one websdr i Gothenburg runs on rtlsdr
[17:37] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: http://sdr.no-ip.org:8901/
[17:40] <mfa298> I think there's some contact details on the link I provided earlier
[17:41] <mfa298> and that's the one run by the person who wrote the software.
[17:41] <mfa298> There's also an early version that someone here started writing at http://www.mike-stirling.com/webradio/ for which source is available.
[17:42] <Reb-SM3ULC> ah, thanks
[17:43] <mfa298> I'm not sure how finished Mike's is, I've only tried it on a Pi so far (which isn't quite powerful enough to run it)
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[17:54] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: tried it also but never got it to work
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[18:10] <bertrik> LeoBodnar: do you remember how much free lift you had on B-1? and was it intended to float or to burst?
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[18:13] <G8APZ> bertrik see link > http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-1/index.html It doesn't give free lift
[18:14] <LeoBodnar> I can't remember clearly but it was in the order of 30-40 grams
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[18:41] <cm13g09> Oracle have just upset me big time...
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[19:11] <DL7AD> evening
[19:11] <DL7AD> leo seem to bee very busy. no b-32 yet ^^
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[19:14] <uu4jlm_Valeryi>  GB> 40==K5 ?>A;5 <>45@0F88 ?>O2;ONBAO??
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[19:19] <jcoxon> evevning all
[19:20] <Upu> evening
[19:20] <sa6bss> SP5NVX
[19:21] <sa6bss> what freq is SP5NVX on??
[19:21] <Brian-g0hdi> Evening.
[19:21] <Upu> no information sa6bss
[19:22] <Upu> Hi Brian
[19:22] <sa6bss> ok
[19:23] <jcoxon> Upu, any further info on the signal on 434.500
[19:24] <Upu> nothing jcoxon sadly
[19:24] <Upu> might have been heading out to sea
[19:27] <x-f> sa6bss, 437.700 MHz USB (+/-), CW/RTTY 150 7n2, 6/mW/12mW
[19:28] <eroomde> excluse rights in perpetuity to all fottage... can't really afford to pay much for it
[19:29] <eroomde> why doesn't steve just do the sensible thing and tell this guy to go fuck himself?
[19:29] <jcoxon> language eroomde
[19:29] <eroomde> yes i chose it deliberately
[19:29] <eroomde> thank you for noticing
[19:30] Action: Upu turns Ed down a few notches
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[19:31] <sa6bss> oki, tnx , found this http://sp7pki.iq24.pl/default.asp?grupa=75798&temat=351367
[19:32] <Upu> I added info to spacenear.us
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[19:55] <Laurenceb__> https://dokumente.unibw.de/pub/bscw.cgi/2987507
[19:55] <Laurenceb__> ^nice cubesat propulsion solution
[19:57] <cm13g09> so.... Java turns out to be a bad idea
[19:57] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[19:57] <arko> " I listened to one of arko's lectures; he seems to have a LOT of knowledge with HABs."
[19:57] <arko> hahaha
[19:57] <arko> i do?
[19:58] <arko> oh what a nice morning
[19:58] <arko> winds for friday are looking very very promising
[20:00] <qyx_> Laurenceb__: btw how are the cubesats going?
[20:00] <qyx_> these launched few days ago
[20:00] <Laurenceb__> dunno
[20:00] <qyx_> any links?
[20:00] <qyx_> ah
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> qyx_: I was about to say 'give him a week, he's only just thought about the thrusters'.
[20:01] <Laurenceb__> i just decided to work out if cubesats can be useful
[20:01] <Laurenceb__> lol
[20:01] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
[20:01] <Laurenceb__> indium gets round the launch issues of liquids
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[20:03] <SpeedEvil> I guess it's very low power to melt
[20:04] <Laurenceb__> 150C, they say it takes ~500mW to run the heater
[20:05] <Laurenceb__> tons of thrust from a single emitter in that pdf
[20:05] <Laurenceb__> page 36
[20:05] <Laurenceb__> erm 35
[20:07] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[20:07] <PE2G> PA2GLA sent me a message that he hasn't been experimenting with B-26 in Brittany today
[20:08] <cm13g09> mfa298: see PC
[20:08] <cm13g09> *PM
[20:09] <qyx_> 60uN is tons of thrust?
[20:10] <Laurenceb__> for a cubesat
[20:11] <Laurenceb__> its enough for earth departure
[20:11] <Laurenceb__> which is what i was thinking would make cubesats useful
[20:11] <eroomde> Laurenceb__: is this for manouvering or just keeping KE topped up?
[20:11] <eroomde> or something else?
[20:11] <eroomde> (the moon? mars?)
[20:11] <Laurenceb__> moon/mars
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: 60uN at what power per emitter?
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[20:12] <Laurenceb__> too much with their configuration
[20:12] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: Plus don't forget multple craft and crossfeeding
[20:12] <Laurenceb__> check out how the mass efficency drops
[20:12] <Laurenceb__> BUT: you could add multiple emitters and keep the current at 100µA per needle/capillary
[20:12] <qyx_> SpeedEvil: 0.5mA @ 9kV
[20:12] <SpeedEvil> It's a pity braking into mars orbit is kinda hard.
[20:12] <Laurenceb__> as its so compact
[20:13] <Laurenceb__> i'd like to try playing with the voltages
[20:14] <Laurenceb__> so the extractor is at like -5Kv
[20:14] <Laurenceb__> then theres lots of field strength to pull off the ions, but you dont have such insane ISP
[20:15] <Laurenceb__> and as this kit is so easy to build.... im very tempted to knock something up
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[20:17] <Laurenceb__> if it could all be integrated into a PC104 format, and i dont see why not
[20:17] <Laurenceb__> could be very epic
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[20:18] <eroomde> so could you get a 1u sat out to lunar orbit?
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[20:18] <Laurenceb__> unfortunatly ALTA are building exactly that atm :-/
[20:18] <Laurenceb__> eroomde, yes
[20:18] <eroomde> take many months to just spiral out
[20:18] <Laurenceb__> yet again im late with a cool idea :-/
[20:18] <eroomde> and then get caught into the moon's well
[20:18] <eroomde> go out with a bang
[20:18] <Laurenceb__> yeah, ~ 6months
[20:18] <Laurenceb__> hehe
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[20:19] <Laurenceb__> apparently ALTA space or whatever they call themselves are building exactly this atm
[20:19] <eroomde> cool
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[20:19] <N2NXZ> Trying to do a test track using Icarus data using dl-fldigi,getting a URL error,but sometimes says succesful telemetry upload...do not see anything on http://spacenear.us/tracker/...any ideas?
[20:19] <Laurenceb__> should be fun if they can launch it
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[20:20] <Laurenceb__> http://www.alta-space.com/index.php?page=feep
[20:20] <Laurenceb__> been exchanging emails with them
[20:21] <eroomde> fun
[20:21] <Laurenceb__> they are launching bipolar FEEP in PC-104
[20:21] <Laurenceb__> 3km/s delta v
[20:21] <Laurenceb__> for 1U cubesat
[20:21] <eroomde> still not sure why you especially want it for orbit changing
[20:21] <eroomde> though i can definitely see the use for positioning
[20:22] <Laurenceb__> cubesat is usually secondary payload
[20:22] <eroomde> they have a deliciously low 'minimum impulse bit' which is what excites attitude control people
[20:22] <Laurenceb__> so you arent going to get lunar orbit or anything
[20:22] <Laurenceb__> yeah
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[20:23] <Laurenceb__> i was thinking spin with magnotorquers, that seems to be the plan with cubesats
[20:23] <Laurenceb__> if you want any control at all :P
[20:23] <Laurenceb__> obviously once you get to moon....
[20:24] <eroomde> speaking of propulsion
[20:24] <eroomde> http://www.parabolicarc.com/2013/11/24/branson-virgin-working-reusable-replacement-hybrid-engine/
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[20:25] <Laurenceb__> launcherone sounds interesting
[20:25] <eroomde> everyone familiar with the space ship 2 hybrid engine works faints in surprise that they might be getting rid of it and replacing it with a biprop
[20:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> SP5NVX seems to make a short flight? :/
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[20:26] <Reb-SM3ULC> eroomde: say what?
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[20:28] <Laurenceb__> http://graphsandwords.com/projects/business-card-version-2/
[20:28] <eroomde> Reb-SM3ULC: Space Ship 2's engine is a dud
[20:28] <Laurenceb__> pity about the soldering
[20:28] <eroomde> a technical dead-end
[20:28] <eroomde> they're finally beginning to admit it publically
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[20:29] <Laurenceb__> clearly they need to try FEEP
[20:29] <Laurenceb__> /troll
[20:30] <Laurenceb__> though with large enough emitter panels...
[20:30] <arko> so they finally figured out hybrid engines are stupid?
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> They're not stupid if they're cheap enough and reliable enough and used for a first stage
[20:31] <eroomde> hmm no
[20:31] <eroomde> i think they're still stupid
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> Me too.
[20:31] <arko> lol
[20:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> eroomde: i read biprop as dual-propeller
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> I don't see how they can be as cheap as biprop or aero
[20:32] <eroomde> dual fluid propellants :)
[20:32] <arko> hell ya
[20:32] <Reb-SM3ULC> eroomde: yeah, i read the article now. :)
[20:32] <Reb-SM3ULC> eroomde: would one heck of a pair of props otherwise...
[20:33] <Laurenceb__> i know i know
[20:33] <Laurenceb__> they need to 3d print the engine
[20:33] <Laurenceb__> with reprap
[20:33] <Laurenceb__> and use castar to design it
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> 4D printers help keep your combustion chambers Klien.
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> Blender.
[20:34] <Reb-SM3ULC> :D
[20:35] <Laurenceb__> eww blender
[20:35] <Laurenceb__> with brain explode interface
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[20:42] <Laurenceb__> how do i create a cube??? 4 hours later: aRGGGGG *BOOM*
[20:44] <arko> heh klein bottles are awesome
[20:44] <arko> gf gave me one for my birthday one year
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[20:46] <Laurenceb__> arko is 1 ?
[20:46] <Laurenceb__> that explains a lot
[20:46] <arko> 1?
[20:47] <Laurenceb__> "my birthday one year"
[20:47] <Laurenceb__> nvm :P
[20:47] <arko> would that be "my birthday, year one"
[20:47] <arko> oh i guess
[20:47] <arko> this is why im not an english major
[20:48] <Laurenceb__> heh
[20:50] <Reb-SM3ULC> mm, -1.3 m/s.. that's fast..
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[20:52] <Laurenceb__> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597141632/cat-a-thruster-for-interplanetary-cubesats
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> Fail.
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[20:53] <SpeedEvil> That should totally involve kittens.
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[20:53] <SpeedEvil> 'ambipolar' - sounds like a fragrance.
[20:54] <Laurenceb__> KS is geared more to "products"
[20:54] <Laurenceb__> where you can preorder stuff
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> KS
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> It's the kerbals!
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> They're real!
[21:09] <chrisstubbs> A days work rebuilding my repraps hot end http://imgur.com/HsBgoyj
[21:09] <chrisstubbs> oh the joys
[21:10] <arko> poop makers?
[21:11] <chrisstubbs> hahaha
[21:12] <chrisstubbs> print precision test piece
[21:12] <chrisstubbs> bottom layer didnt stick very well and the ABS was super warpy. I had PLA working pretty well about 6 months ago then the hot end got horribly jammed up
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[21:33] <SpeedEvil> chrisstubbs: To make you feel better.
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> http://thaicares.com/shop
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[21:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[21:34] <chrisstubbs> SpeedEvil, aha are they those wotsit like foam packing things? :P
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> I have no idea.
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> I just know that in no rational world are they worth $1K
[21:35] <chrisstubbs> Spine: Sold Out! Buyer is pleased. Sorry you missed the opportunity…
[21:35] <chrisstubbs> sorry not sorry
[21:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> any dutch speaking people on tongiht, with HF capabilitys ?
[21:38] <DL1SGP> what do you need a dutch for?
[21:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Just some offtopic stuff, was monitoring the Greenland command freq and started hearing dutch 1khz above it.
[21:42] <DL1SGP> got the freq for me?
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[21:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 3131KHz but lets go PM, its abit offtopic
[21:43] <DL1SGP> sure
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[23:14] <WillTablet> Hi
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[23:44] <Laurenceb__> i like whatever people are using to add comments to pdf files
[23:44] <Laurenceb__> is the "pro" adobe thing available for free now?
[23:44] <Laurenceb__> seems you can set up a "team" and different people can add comments and collaborate
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