highaltitude.log.20131123

[00:01] <bertrik> SP3OSJ: nice tracker board! I wonder if J-poles have been used much before
[00:05] <SP3OSJ> I always use j-pole antenna because it is easy to perform and the tracker is flat. GP bends on earth as it is difficult to grasp the hand
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[00:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ Its working great, still getting a few greens here
[00:07] <SP3OSJ> OZ1SKY_Brian: What's your TRX?
[00:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ic-910
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[00:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> loosing it here now, good luck with the rest of the flight
[00:22] <SP3OSJ> OK bye, I'm going to sleep. I feel like I'm sitting in the balloon. I'm tired
[00:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Good night SP3OSJ
[00:24] <SP3OSJ> Good night all and thanks for the reception. We'll see what happens tomorrow
[00:26] <SP3OSJ> Not tomorrow - today The time now is 0:25 GMT
[00:26] <SP3OSJ> Bye
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[00:31] <PE2G> First 2 greens
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[00:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OK im off too, good night everyone
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[00:38] <Lunar_Lander_> good night!
[00:39] <PE2G> Good Night. I'm off too, will leave the rig on
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[00:45] <DL1SGP> I am getting hungry
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[00:56] Action: SpeedEvil just ate some delicious pollock in prok stock, and cauliflower.
[00:56] <SpeedEvil> pork
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[01:51] <PB0NER> slow balloon... set it up and will leave it on.. 02:51 and I need to get oud of bed pretty early for some antenna work @clubhouse
[01:52] <PB0NER> so I hope I will decode SP3OSJ/13
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[07:07] <PE2G> Good morning. http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/170106_trj001.gif
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[07:09] <x-f> good morning
[07:15] <SP3OSJ> Good morning. I see that my balloon is in the Netherlands. I have a dog of breed Netherlands: Kooikerhondje. Translation kooiker a frame, and hondje a small dog
[07:19] <PE2G> Good morning SP3OSJ. Your ballon got through the night fine :)
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[07:20] <PE2G> Tracking my very first Polish balloon
[07:20] <SP3OSJ> good job
[07:20] <PE2G> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/170106_trj001.gif
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[07:29] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> SP3OSJ coming this way - Cool :-)
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[07:34] <SP3OSJ> Yes west a heavy flight
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[07:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> Very good Artur
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[07:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's great to see one come back this way!
[07:43] <SP3OSJ> Balloon flight longer 960km
[07:44] <Upu> Morning, yes Artur excellent flight. I thought it was too heavy to stay in float but again I'm wrong
[07:49] <SP3OSJ> What is the problem with the AFC in dldigi then you need to set: Configure / Modems / RTTY / Receive filter bandwidth of 250-300Hz
[07:50] <SP3OSJ> balloon carrying capacity is only 1g (tracker: 30g, balloon: 30g + 1g)
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[07:52] <Upu> thats still heavy for a 36"
[07:52] <Upu> but seems it works :)
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[07:54] <tjanos> Good morning, dzien dobry Artur! congrats!
[07:54] <tjanos> what is the exact frequency ?
[07:55] <tjanos> I m trying to receive it from a remote in Breda
[07:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> morrn
[07:56] <x-f> i couldn't hear it on Breda GT an hour ago
[07:56] <tjanos> it has a simple/poor antenna, not really working on 430 MHz
[07:57] <tjanos> but there was case, when we recive ballons with it in remote
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[07:58] <PE2G> tjanos: 437.701.7 MHz
[07:59] <tjanos> thanks!
[08:01] <Reb-SM3ULC> Haha, checked the original websdr to see if there was a 70 cm band. No question there's big contest this weekend. 40 m band etc is packed.
[08:02] <SP3OSJ> The solar panel gets up and begins to work. The battery voltage goes up it well.
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[08:09] <SP3OSJ> Now I do tracker + The pico repeater: cross band FM audio (input: 2m output: 70cm). The work will look like 2min RTTY then 8min repeater audio. PCB size is 4.5cm x 2.7cm
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[08:14] <DutchMillbt> Good morning all
[08:15] <DL1SGP1> good morning
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[08:22] <x-f> /13 is climbing higher and higher since sunrise..
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[08:22] <jcoxon_> morning x-f
[08:22] <x-f> good morning, James
[08:23] <jcoxon_> sunrise is the test of a pico
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[08:27] <jcoxon_> SP3OSJ had a really stable float overnight
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[08:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nothing on the collinear this morning yet, I switch over to the Beams when I get up to the shack
[08:30] <jcoxon_> Geoff-G8DHE-M, its a bit of a role reversal - UK listening for a balloon from europe
[08:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Indeed, a nice one!
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[08:31] <SP3OSJ> Yes, Balloon Leo recently played variations height
[08:31] <jcoxon_> i'll probably have a listen in about 30mins
[08:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I'm hoping I can understand the accent ;-)
[08:31] <jcoxon_> the new google maps on spacenear.us is working quite well for me
[08:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Has it changed then or do you mean the wrapper around v3 api ?
[08:33] <jcoxon_> i'm not sure exactly the details but the boxes if you click on a receiver have changed style
[08:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah yes its the wrapper, I think the first few hours there were probems with cached data, it seemed to clear for me quite quickly
[08:36] <PE2G> The new spacenear.us works nicely in Firefox here. It's become sluggish in Opera though
[08:37] <jcoxon_> i'm sure it'll take time to iron out bugs etc
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[08:38] <G0TDJ_Mob> 'Morning guys
[08:38] <number10> morning
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[08:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon_: yeah, these northen winds seem "stable" at the moment
[08:39] <G0TDJ_Mob> Drat, I'm going to miss Stratodeans balloon too
[08:41] <jcoxon> stratodean has been postponed i think
[08:41] <G0TDJ_Mob> Oh, I hadnt heard James.
[08:41] <jcoxon> think there was an email
[08:42] <G0TDJ_Mob> OK
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[08:42] <G0TDJ_Mob> I haven't been on the group for a couple of days either
[08:44] <G0TDJ_Mob> Right, stuff to do. Be back later!
[08:44] <jcoxon> anyone got a exact freq for SP3OSJ ?
[08:44] <PE2G> 437.701.5
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[08:45] <bertrik> morning, setting up the tracker right now for SP3OSJ ... :)
[08:46] <PE2G> Cursor 1280 Hz
[08:46] <jcoxon> nothing obvious here but i'm outside the blue circle
[08:46] <g0hdi> 'Morning all. Tnx for the frequency PE2G
[08:47] <jcoxon> small amount of pride for the first UK station
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[08:47] <jcoxon> as a prize when they get it
[08:47] <PE2G> Since sunrise it's drifted 200 Hz down
[08:47] <g0hdi> Hope it's me. be my first contact
[08:52] <bertrik> hm, I don't see SP3OSJ in the spectrum, should be very strong now, right?
[08:52] <PE2G> Yes very strong bertrik
[08:53] <g0hdi> What's the circle significance guys? Blue= likely rx...Green=if you cant't hear it you must be deaf ? hi
[08:53] <PE2G> blue = radio horion?
[08:53] <PE2G> horizon
[08:54] <g0hdi> Green?
[08:54] <jcoxon> green is 5deg blue is 0deg horizone
[08:54] <g0hdi> Ok thanks.. Sorry, new bod here learning the ropes.
[08:55] <DL1SGP1> no worries g0hdi
[08:55] <bertrik> ah, it's in some kind of power saving mode :) got a green decode now :D
[08:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is the shift less than 470Hz ? I can see something with about 33Hz ?
[08:59] <PE2G> Shift is 471 Hz here
[09:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> May not bee OSJ then ....
[09:02] <jcoxon> solar is picking up nicely
[09:02] <jcoxon> but so is the altitude...
[09:03] <SP3OSJ> Solar inverter to charge the batteries and the heats. In the middle of the temperature of 4C (altitude: 5km)
[09:05] <DL7AD_> good morning
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[09:06] <DL7AD> good morning SP3OSJ . coverage is good until madrid ;)
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[09:07] <SP3OSJ> Hi Sven
[09:08] <SP3OSJ> I am waiting from the UK who receives the first signal
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[09:10] <number10> I saw the signal just now - not strong enough for me yet SP3OSJ
[09:10] <number10> only have 1/4 wave up
[09:11] <jcoxon> is it continous or periodic
[09:11] <jcoxon> number10, show off :-)
[09:11] <number10> just location jcoxon :)
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[09:12] <PE2G> jcoxon: Periodic wit beeps in between
[09:12] <jcoxon> nothing here then :-)
[09:12] <jcoxon> i'm using my old ft 790 - no sure how accurate the freq on it is
[09:12] <bertrik> for me, it drifts a bit down in frequency once it changes from beeps to rtty
[09:13] <PE2G> Data now
[09:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SP3OSJ_20131122/
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[09:14] <g0hdi> Is the Auto Config correct with RTTY 100 and not 50?
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[09:14] <bertrik> yes, 100 is correct
[09:14] <GMT> morning all ... what's happened to the Spacenear tracker?
[09:14] <g0hdi> Thanks!
[09:15] <jcoxon> GMT, google upgraded their API
[09:15] <jcoxon> had to rush to patch it
[09:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> GMT, you might need to clear your cache(s) the GM API has hanged
[09:15] <jcoxon> still not complete
[09:15] <GMT> okay, thanks ... I can't get any flights to display, is SP3OSJ still flying?
[09:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Refresh it a couple of times
[09:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> or try the mobile tracker there is a link in the Info panel
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[09:18] <GMT> Ive tried the mobile tracker, but just get a blank screen (no map, just menu)
[09:18] <jcoxon> GMT, what OS and browser?
[09:19] <GMT> Win 7 & Chrome
[09:19] <jcoxon> hmmm chrome certainly worked for me
[09:19] <jcoxon> how about http://spacenear.us/tracker/fullscreen.php
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[09:20] <GMT> ah, that got it!
[09:20] <jcoxon> thats the old version i think
[09:20] <jcoxon> just be careful with it...
[09:20] <GMT> I'm tempted to do a complete re-boot
[09:21] <jcoxon> might be worthwhile
[09:21] <GMT> yeah ... brb
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[09:22] <mfa298> I'm not sure anything actually changed on snus, google may have just fixed their compatability layer
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[09:23] <PE2G> jcoxon: fullscreen.php doesn't respond like the old version here
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[09:24] <fsphil> yea google fixed it
[09:24] <mfa298> PE2G: I think that's googles compatability stuff. I think it's slower here as well.
[09:25] <fsphil> if you find that spacenear.us/tracker is still bringing you to the mobile tracker you need to clear your cache
[09:25] <fsphil> I see the pico is skillfully avoiding the UK
[09:25] <PE2G> mfa298: yes, it's certainly slower in Opera. In Firefox ist's fine
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[09:33] <F1LPT> Hello , who listen ballon SP3OSJ and frequency exactly ???????
[09:34] <jcoxon> F1LPT, 437.7015Mhz
[09:35] <jcoxon> (i'm told)
[09:35] <number10> 434.700.5 on 817
[09:36] <PE2G> Bonjour F1LPT: I have it on 437.701.0 MHz, cursor 1250 Hz
[09:36] <F1LPT> tks ...I am at 80 km fromm baloon and no signal on my 13 ele yagi ??????
[09:37] <jcoxon> F1LPT, it isn't continous
[09:37] <PE2G> There are beeps for 1 min 30 sec, then rtty
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[09:37] <DutchMillbt> its on ssb
[09:37] <PE2G> rtty now
[09:37] <F1LPT> 434.7 or 737.7 ?????
[09:37] <arko> SP3OSJ: beautiful flight so far
[09:37] <arko> nice work
[09:38] <PE2G> 437.701.0
[09:38] <PE2G> It's sending a log now
[09:39] <F1LPT> tks but nothing ...I am under ballon in few minutes
[09:40] <DutchMillbt> Good morning F1LPT do you use SSB?
[09:40] <F1LPT> yes
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[09:42] <DutchMillbt> F1LPT can you switch to a other antenna
[09:43] <F1LPT> yes I have 2 different yagi and 3 some vetical and any signal ??????????? incredible ??????
[09:43] <DutchMillbt> a gpa or a vertical collinear antenna
[09:43] <DutchMillbt> that's odd
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[09:44] <F1LPT> I participe for different Fly but to day nothing
[09:44] <DutchMillbt> do yo use any preamp with a bandpass?
[09:44] <F1LPT> i go to another coffe and come back
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[09:45] <DutchMillbt> coffee is always a solution ;-)
[09:45] <F1LPT> ok .....
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[09:45] <DutchMillbt> good idea see y
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[09:46] <PE2G> can't find F1LPT on the tracker map
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[09:47] <f5vnf> do we only have mobile tracker still
[09:47] <number10> f5vnf: I have the normal tracker running in firefox
[09:50] <f5vnf> ok i keep geting redirected
[09:50] <PE2G> OSJ txing continously again
[09:50] <PE2G> continuously
[09:50] <jcoxon> f5vnf, need to refresh your cache
[09:51] <F1LPT> Hello after a coffee ...I receive a small signal and run fldigi
[09:52] <tjanos> PE2G: what is the contains of it?
[09:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> F1LPT, Do you have dl-fldigi or just fldigi ?
[09:52] <fsphil> not sure why the redirect was cached for such a long time
[09:52] <tjanos> do you decode it?
[09:52] <PE2G> Continuous rtty from SP3OSJ
[09:52] <jcoxon> still nothing here
[09:52] <tjanos> Ok, but what?
[09:53] <PE2G> tjanos: What do you mean?
[09:53] <tjanos> is it garbadge, ot telemetry data?
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing here either yet
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[09:53] <PE2G> good telemetry
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> at least a little QRM has gone
[09:53] <PE2G> all greens
[09:53] <tjanos> I listen it in remote , but dont able to decode
[09:54] <PE2G> Beeps again
[09:54] <F1LPT> dl -fldigi 3.21.50
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[09:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK, can't see you on the map yet! That was all
[09:55] <F1LPT> no good signal so no report ....I am in the north of france
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[09:55] <F1LPT> near the border of the belgium
[09:55] <nats`> SP3OSJ have 12hours
[09:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> As soon as dl-fldigi coms up it puts you on the map - have you put your at/Long in the Location config tab ?
[09:56] <PE2G> F1LPT: http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide:french
[09:56] <F1LPT> near valenciennes
[09:57] <fsphil> unusual to see flights heading west
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[09:58] <nats`> maybe explaining why we are dying from the old in french right now :p
[09:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah your on my map after a refresh F1LPT
[09:58] <fsphil> prediction has it heading to the canary islands
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[09:59] <fsphil> nats`: old or cold? :)
[09:59] <nats`> cold ;)
[10:00] <nats`> I'm searching what could mean dying from the old :D
[10:00] <nats`> I'm pretty sure there are some pun
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[10:01] <jcoxon> still no UK decodes
[10:01] <number10> very frustrating -
[10:01] <fsphil> you still over the pond jcoxon?
[10:01] <jcoxon> no, back in london
[10:02] <fsphil> good trip?
[10:02] <jcoxon> great time thanks
[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its quite slow heading West I suspect its still behind Beachy Head for me :-(
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[10:04] <jcoxon> i think SP3OSJ has survived sunrise, hopefully gives it another 24hrs of flight time
[10:04] <f5vnf> thats better, thanks , had habhub set up for offline use.
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[10:05] <number10> $lQP3OSJ, is about as good a decode I can get
[10:05] <SP3OSJ> Solar >2V -> Continuous rtty from SP3OSJ
[10:05] <nats`> tx power ?
[10:06] <PE2G> Thanks for the info, SP3OSJ
[10:06] <nats`> I want to kno<w if I need to wait it to the south of paris
[10:06] <db_g6gzh> I'm occasionally seeing a hint of a trace on the waterfall but I'm not sure if it will get close enough for me to decode.
[10:08] <SP3OSJ> vbatt>1,3V=12mW, vbatt>1,3-1,2V=6mW, vbatt>1,2-1,1V=3mW, vbatt<1,1V=1,5mW
[10:09] <jcoxon> so currently 6mW
[10:09] <SP3OSJ> Yes
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[10:11] <PE2G> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/171490_trj001.gif (green is 1000m AMSL)
[10:12] <PA3WEG> Hi all, greetings from the FUNcube-1 control room at bletchley park
[10:12] <fsphil> hiya PA3WEG
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[10:12] <PA3WEG> if you want another tracking challenge, try a satellite ;)
[10:12] <fsphil> I managed to get 2 frames from it last night
[10:12] <fsphil> but the dashboard program keeps freezing
[10:13] <PA3WEG> next pass in the UK: starting 11:07 almost overhead
[10:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Morning PA3WEG, decodong nicely here
[10:14] <fsphil> it seems to be performing very well
[10:14] <PA3WEG> good Geoff-G8DHE
[10:14] <PA3WEG> it does actually
[10:14] <PA3WEG> we are stunned
[10:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is the transponer being opened up today ?
[10:14] <PA3WEG> it was the first satellite on the launch to start working
[10:15] <PA3WEG> we are setting up the transponder on the coming pass
[10:15] <PA3WEG> but it will be on automatic mode, so only in eclipse
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK will listen for it
[10:16] <PA3WEG> that will be more safe from the spacecraft point of view
[10:16] <jcoxon> PA3WEG, perhaps we should add funcube to spacenear.us :-)
[10:17] <fsphil> haha
[10:17] <fsphil> yea
[10:17] <fsphil> hmmm.. how hard would it be to generate coordinates from the TLEs
[10:17] <jcoxon> its not at all
[10:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any idea when the TLE will be updated ? It was copyable for 2 minutes past LOS for me on the last pass ?
[10:17] <jcoxon> i did it with this ISS a while ago
[10:17] <jcoxon> fsphil, loads of scripts around
[10:18] <fsphil> I shall have a look. it would be handy
[10:21] <PA3WEG> look for object 2013-066B in tle-new
[10:23] <db_g6gzh> Thanks for the object ID PA3WEG, gpredict loaded it but I didn't know the name
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[10:26] <arko> is the funcube overheating?
[10:28] <PA3WEG> if you refer to battery temperature being 255, that's a display problem
[10:28] <arko> oh
[10:28] <arko> ok
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[10:29] <PA3WEG> all negative numbers are 255 and low from there
[10:29] <arko> oh...
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[10:29] <arko> someone didnt think to use signed values?
[10:29] <number10> nearly got one $SP3OSJ,2377,102731,51.09706,03.413670,5362,10,10,1144.83,1.21,0.73*44B"
[10:30] <PA3WEG> yes, but it is the display end of things
[10:30] <arko> ohhhh
[10:30] <PA3WEG> so the transmitted data is correct
[10:30] <arko> cool
[10:30] <arko> thats good
[10:30] <arko> im glad the funcube isnt trying to reflow itself
[10:30] <PA3WEG> ;)
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> SP3)SJ still only visible from over 200m from my location, hurry up and fly West!
[10:35] <PE2G> Elevation -0.1 deg here, according dl-fldigi. Greens still.
[10:38] <jcoxon> SP3OSJ's battery has taken a hit it seems
[10:38] <jcoxon> down to 1.19V
[10:39] <jcoxon> i suspect that i won't rx it at all as the radio power will drop
[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Will only be on 3mW ...
[10:40] <fsphil> altitude is dropping a little
[10:40] <fsphil> higher altitude cloud maybe?
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[10:42] <jcoxon> luckily we've got more local stations to listen
[10:42] <g0hdi> I take it then , that there is no means of recharging, like sola cell?.
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> There are solar cells but doesn't look like the battery is holding the charge
[10:42] <g0hdi> Ok
[10:42] <jcoxon> it needs more sunlight i guess
[10:43] <fsphil> yea. battery is warm enough
[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> See http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/120d309024cfd89edfcd528fa7873013#g/altitude,battery,solar,temperature_internal
[10:43] <fsphil> solar 0.67
[10:43] <fsphil> yea that's gotta be cloud
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[10:45] <wd8mnv> thathasn't been up for 11 days has it?
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[10:45] <fsphil> 2 days
[10:47] <jcoxon> more power!
[10:50] <fsphil> last satellite photo doesn't show much cloud over belgium
[10:50] <fsphil> or where I am -- and it is cloudy
[10:50] <fsphil> must be a thin layer
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Bright sun down here on the South Coast
[10:51] <fsphil> very calm here. would've been a good day to launch
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> nothing visible to the East at all just blue sky
[10:51] <jcoxon> yeah blue sky here in london
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ohh vague partial lines on the w/f
[10:52] <fsphil> I think it's to clear up here later
[10:52] <fsphil> funcube pass coming up shortly
[10:53] <fsphil> 14 minutes ish
[10:53] <g0hdi> You using a dongle like me Geoff?
[10:54] <PE2G> Decodes becoming red at -0.2 and 282 km
[10:55] <PE2G> IOW, I'm losing SP3OSJ
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup dongle on x19ele beam at present
[10:56] <g0hdi> Funcube Pro+ here..SDR-Console. ...Nice beam. If you can't rx it, then no-one can around here hi
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[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> I have Brighton Racecourse to the East and then Beachy Head blocking LoS path, GE shows I need to be at over 100m at present ...
[10:57] <jcoxon> been a while since last decode
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> just updated
[10:58] Nick change: PA3WEG -> FUNcube_PA3WEG
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[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> My view at if at 157m http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SP3OSJ_20131122/SP3OSJ_201311231057.jpg
[11:02] <g0hdi> Does that qualify as a 'sea view' if you sell the place hi
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Only when you stand on top of the chimmney !
[11:03] <g0hdi> Over 10 minutes walk and I'd drown, but I can
[11:03] <FUNcube_PA3WEG> FUNcube-1 pass in 5 minutes from now
[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks FUNcube_PA3WEG
[11:03] <FUNcube_PA3WEG> 145.935 =/- doppler shift, for those interested
[11:05] <g0hdi> Half my entry went then? But I can not see the water from here
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Time to swap to 2m aerials then ..
[11:05] <g0hdi> 2 is satellite I presume.
[11:06] <g0hdi> Oh yes, FunCube
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> 1 minute to AoS
[11:07] <g0hdi> I coundn't get the software to load up, so gave up on that one. Win XP here.
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[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> The Dashboard should be OK
[11:08] <M0hoklee> Morning all
[11:09] <g0hdi> Morning
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Decoding Funcube-1
[11:09] <M0hoklee> Hi ...just dropped in to see if any launches going up
[11:10] <g0hdi> When I try to install it I get 'Unknown Publisher'
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Install as Admin, then you can bypass it
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[11:12] <jcoxon> definitely saw sats on the wf
[11:15] <g0hdi> Seems to be an unknown file when I try to unzip it. Can't find how to install as 'Admin'
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[11:18] <FUNcube_PA3WEG> you might have an older download
[11:18] <FUNcube_PA3WEG> that contains the msi installer as .renamed
[11:19] <jcoxon> grrrr i definitely just saw a whole telem string on rtty on 437.695
[11:19] <darkstar-2001> funcube was about 20-25dB over noise here (4 ele yagi pointing up carefully balanced on wheely bin...).
[11:19] <jcoxon> but wasn't quick enough to decode it
[11:19] <g0hdi> Incidentally, what does Satellites 11 refer to in the info box for SP3OSJ please
[11:19] <jcoxon> g0hdi, how many gps sats it has
[11:20] <g0hdi> Brilliant!
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[11:20] <g0hdi> Learning fast here hi
[11:20] <daveake> SP30SJ seems to be avoiding going out to sea
[11:21] <g0hdi> Like me, I hate water that's taller than me.
[11:21] <daveake> SP3OSJ even
[11:21] <jcoxon> g0hdi, its a lot easier to track latex balloons as their altitude is much higher
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah the TLE's have improved then its just dropped out smack on LoS time!
[11:22] <g0hdi> So this one is not latex then?
[11:22] <jcoxon> no this is a pico balloon
[11:22] <jcoxon> its a very small mylar balloon
[11:22] <g0hdi> Oh!
[11:22] <jcoxon> they float low but for long durations
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[11:23] <db_g6gzh> I heard Funcube but I don't have a decoder so not sure if it would have worked with the local QRM
[11:23] <g0hdi> Is it the latex that goes bang and everything comes down by parachute?
[11:23] <morteh> haha latex & bang
[11:24] <g0hdi> Oops!
[11:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> FUNcube_PA3WEG,Last night on one pass I heard what sounded like a different form of telemetry just a few bursts almost like some MFSK mode could it be Funcube ?
[11:25] <fsphil> well my dog insisted in inspecting everything when out for his walk and I missed that funcube pass
[11:25] <fsphil> and the software froze while I was away
[11:25] <fsphil> arg
[11:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Another one tonight don#t worry!
[11:25] <g0hdi> My waterfall is decidely blank *sigh*
[11:26] <fsphil> FUNcube_PA3WEG: was the source to the dashboard program ever released?
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> 22:09 at 55.6 Elevation so a good pass
[11:26] <FUNcube_PA3WEG> fsphil: It should be or will be soon
[11:27] <FUNcube_PA3WEG> I believe on github
[11:27] <FUNcube_PA3WEG> Geoff-G8DHE: FUNcube is BPSK only, so that must have been something else
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK just wondered
[11:28] <jcoxon> guess there are a few sats with the roughly the same TLE
[11:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> It wa smack on the frequency, possibly someone using fldigi and hit Tx by mistake perhaps
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup even one of the other 31 cubes ! jcoxon
[11:31] <jcoxon> shift for SP3OSJ ?
[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> quoted as 471Hz earlier
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Battery down to 1.12v :_(
[11:34] <jcoxon> yeah not good really
[11:34] <SP3OSJ> I'll will end voltage battery drops quickly. Solar must have a lot of sun to work
[11:34] <fsphil> impress it's working at all
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oops forgot to swing aerials back to SP3OSJ Think I can see it now!
[11:38] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE i'v seen it a few times
[11:38] <jcoxon> i think when it tx's at a slightly higher power
[11:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup there is a definte pair of lines at times
[11:40] <g0hdi> Is that 437.701 still?
[11:40] <jcoxon> on my funcube i think its 437.695
[11:40] <jcoxon> but my funcube is definitely off freq
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well actually that's where I am seeing the lines I was expecting it higher, not there at present
[11:41] <jcoxon> slightly better solar voltage
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[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> seeig it now
[11:43] <jcoxon> nothing here
[11:43] <jcoxon> i think we may have reached the cliff of the battery
[11:43] <DutchMillbt> mmm loosing SP3OSJ
[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its down to 1.06 so 1.5mW ?
[11:44] <SP3OSJ> yes
[11:44] <fsphil> anyone played with the gqrx remote control?
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Still just a slight trace here, but no decodes
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[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> seems to be drifting low in freq. as well
[11:47] <jcoxon> battery is on its where
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[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup 1.03v dropping
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[11:48] <DutchMillbt> Geof-G8DHE try to increase the recieve filter bandwith
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[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> I have it quite wide (for me) at least now .. are its there now
[11:49] <g0hww> fsphil, i've tuning gqrx from gpredict, but o couldn't get fldigi or dl-fldigi to work with it
[11:49] <g0hww> i, even, not o
[11:50] <DutchMillbt> I put in on 100 and it did work...for a while
[11:50] <DutchMillbt> ..but sigignal is fading away now
[11:50] <DutchMillbt> signal
[11:51] <fsphil> yea trying it with fldigi now g0hww
[11:51] <g0hww> i think fldigi uses commands not supported by gqrx
[11:52] <g0hww> yet
[11:52] <fsphil> I keep typing hamlib as hablib
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> its there
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[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup hear the bleeps
[11:57] <fsphil> g0hww: aah yea fldigi is asking it to dump state
[11:59] <nats`> less than 1 volt
[11:59] <nats`> I don't think I'll catch it
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[12:00] <fsphil> it could come back when it clears the cloud
[12:00] <fsphil> if that's what caused the drop in solar power
[12:00] <nats`> it's a very cloudy day over paris
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> its x
[12:00] <nats`> maybe better in altitude
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> its still Txing
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> and still it Tx's
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> does it do a log ?
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> 0.48v ?
[12:08] <Laurenceb_> we seem to have a lack of potential
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[12:08] <SP3OSJ> He fell asleep. As in Spain tomorrow will be a nice day, it might tracker wakes up.
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Solar is now up!
[12:10] <nats`> you don't have a separate voltage measure ?
[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> I can still see lines on the w/f but thewy are continous rtty
[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> drifting up fast now
[12:15] <nats`> I have an idea I can hear clearly the airport near me is it possible to grab their meteo data and upload them ?
[12:15] <nats`> near paris the current prediction is cloud up to 1500 pied
[12:16] <nats`> 1500 feet
[12:16] <SIbot> In real units: 1500 ft = 457 m
[12:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> its drifting all over the place now curved w/f lines
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[12:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its lost lock but still transmitting drifting badly
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[12:30] <SP3OSJ> Is Spain the sun is shining? http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/172424_trj001.gif
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[12:33] <tjanos> Artur, the present situation about the sun and the clouds here: http://www.sat24.com/
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[12:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its gone from my w/f now no trace at all ... :-(
[12:39] <SP3OSJ> tjanos: ok Thanks
[12:40] <tjanos> Its not bad, but we dont know anything about the altitudes of the clouds
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[12:42] <tjanos> There are differences in the white tones, if I remember well, the more white mean the cloud altitude is higher
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> If it goes blinding white and glowing, it's not a cloud by a water-ice comet.
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[12:46] <nats`> cloud frament 1800 feet
[12:46] <SIbot> In real units: 1800 ft = 549 m
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[12:47] <Darkside> LOL
[12:47] <Darkside> thats an excellent bot
[12:48] <nats`> I should really use a system to upload that
[12:48] <nats`> the airport meteo is better than national one
[12:48] <nats`> they have a 30 minute delay to update it
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[12:56] <x-f> Temperature: -71C
[12:57] <x-f> or not
[12:57] <RAMM25> wtf
[12:57] <RAMM25> -71K
[12:57] <qyx_> is the solar charger working?
[12:59] <JFS1> What's the story with SP3OSJ?
[12:59] <x-f> i suspect it isn't
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[12:59] <x-f> F5APQ usually has very good performance on receiving challenging HABs
[13:00] <x-f> and LABs
[13:00] <PE2G> The Trappes (Paris) 12 UTC sounding shows (light) cloud between 170 m and 3000 m: http://tinyurl.com/nwhaye3 (Scroll down. No humidity data above 7000 m)
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[13:01] <JFS1> I was a bit surprised F5APQ wasn't updatng on it if it was still working - probably not worth listening out for it if he can't get it
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[13:04] <x-f> it might come back to life on solar energy only, but it has to get out of the clouds then
[13:09] <PE2G> Trappes 12UTC shows low RELH between 3800 m and 6700 m, where SP3OSJ is
[13:10] <SP3OSJ> I am here in Poland
[13:10] <x-f> it goes up after that, so it must mean a cloud layer?
[13:11] <fsphil> frost on the panels?
[13:11] <x-f> SP3OSJ, you should give your payloads a bit more creative name to avoid the confusion then :)
[13:12] <x-f> but i don't know the HAB rules anyway
[13:12] <x-f> HAM*
[13:13] <PE2G> x-f: At >70% RELH you may expect cloud
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[13:14] <x-f> i see, it's only half of that
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[13:17] <tjanos> But it seems, higher, at 6919 m the temp is -40.1 C and the RELH is 59 percent... maybe there are clouds again?
[13:19] <PE2G> tjanos: You're looking at the 00 UTC sounding, scroll down to the 12 UTC sounding
[13:20] <tjanos> Ok, thanks, there is better
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[13:39] <Amadiro> So, where y'all sourcing your helium from, and whats the price-range you get for a cubic metre?
[13:39] <tjanos> Maybe its interesting too: here are altitude profiles, based on Calipso sat,s data. The last available pictures are one day old: http://www-calipso.larc.nasa.gov/products/lidar/browse_images/show_date.php?s=expedited&v=V3-30&browse_date=2013-11-22
[13:40] <tjanos> On the second picture you can see the midnight orbit data: start 01:30:07.5249 UTC end 2013/11/22 03:00:00.5313 UTC The actual territories (France, Spain) above the green and beginning of the red color signs.
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[13:42] <SpeedEvil> Amadiro: I'm currently pondering a natural gas balloon.
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> Amadiro: Largely because it's about a pound for a kilo of lift.
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> And I have a tap in my kitchen.
[13:43] <Amadiro> SpeedEvil, natural gas? Isn't that generally heavier-than-air?
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> It's about half the weight of air
[13:43] <Amadiro> huh
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> Unless I've become confused again.
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[13:44] <Amadiro> looks like methane is heavier than air, at least
[13:47] <Amadiro> er
[13:47] <Amadiro> lighter, sorry
[13:47] <Amadiro> propane is heavier
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[13:49] <uu4jlm_Valeryi> Hi all, methane rises high ball?
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[14:06] <dl7ad> Good afternoon
[14:09] <dl7ad> Is sp3osj still active?
[14:12] <Laurenceb_> battery died
[14:15] <dl7ad> Solar?
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[14:16] <dl7ad> I thought it has solar
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[14:17] <tjanos> we puzzled here, why the solar cell dont produced more power. You can follow it here; http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload
[14:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> It was but the battery wouldn't take charge, then the solar then went high, maybe the charging circuit failed and hence high solar voltage ?
[14:18] <dl7ad> The battery sp3osj had was not recharge able
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[14:20] <tjanos> hmm.. in this case the voltage of the solar willnot be enough to weak up again in sunshine
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[14:22] <tjanos> or is it possible? has it any DC/DC converter?
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[14:24] <Laurenceb_> interesting - http://www.ecbcs.org/docs/Annex_39_Report_Subtask-A.pdf
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: yeah - I've sort of wondered about DIY actively pumped panels.
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Sealing is hard.
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> ive got some fumed silica now
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> i didnt realise it was as good as aerogel
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> http://www.buyaerogel.com/
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> yeah - evacuated
[14:27] <Laurenceb_> fumed silica is £3/Litre
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[14:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.buyaerogel.com/product/lumira-aerogel-particles/ is very expensive - compared to what it actually costs in bulk
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[14:31] Action: Laurenceb_ was looking for insulators for liquid metal colloidal thruster cubesat
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> If you have actual vacuum - things get easier
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> Where actual vacuum is well under a pascal
[14:32] <Laurenceb_> someone needs to try this
[14:32] <dl7ad> tjanos it has a dc dc converter but i don't know if it's enough
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: why colloidal not pulsed plasma?
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> pulsed plasma is very poor
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> low efficiency and mass fraction
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> It's not great.
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> It is simple.
[14:33] <Laurenceb_> Dove3_henry has got me thinking about useful cubesats
[14:34] <Laurenceb_> i think if you had 4Km/s delta v it enters useful territory
[14:34] <Laurenceb_> you can get 800s ISP with liquid metal colloidal thruster, and a good enough mass fraction for 4Km/s is very compact
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> Going from LEO to >>LEO can get interesting
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[14:35] <SpeedEvil> For a zeroth order - being able to avoid reentry and change orbit even.
[14:35] <Laurenceb_> theres a few PhD thesis using woods metal at 80C
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> NaK?
[14:35] <Laurenceb_> itd be liquid all the time
[14:36] <Laurenceb_> annoying for safety
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> Wait - what is a colloidal thruster?
[14:36] <Laurenceb_> also no PhD theses to crib
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:g4Uc-OmtmbUJ:ocw.mit.edu/courses/aeronautics-and-astronautics/16-522-space-propulsion-spring-2004/lecture-notes/lecture23_25.pdf+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=ubuntu
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> Isn't the ISP lousy?
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> Oh - nvm
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> "Values of droplet m/q that could be generated with
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> the technology of the 60’s were so large that they led to voltages from 10 to 100 KV (for
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> typical IspH1000 s.). This created very difficult insulation and packaging problems"
[14:38] <Laurenceb_> now we have piezo transformers
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking macroscopic droplets
[14:38] <Laurenceb_> theres off the shelf 5W 10Kv from 12V in a 20gram package
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> wow.
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> I assume it's off the expensive shelf?
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[14:38] <qyx_> :D
[14:38] <Laurenceb_> its a little rare, not sure on prices tho
[14:39] <ibanezmatt13> anybody know the crack with getting xbox kinect to connect to PC without having to get a kinect specially for PC?
[14:39] <Laurenceb_> i tried to use something similar for my masters thesis
[14:39] <Laurenceb_> but gave up and used a more regular transformer
[14:39] <Laurenceb_> just a sec ill have a google
[14:39] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ceratecinc.com/pdf/transformer/DC-DCConverters.pdf
[14:39] <Laurenceb_> there
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> It's a bit annoying that nonimpulsive orbit changes are so expensive
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[14:41] <Laurenceb_> liquid metal lowers the thruster voltage to 2Kv or so
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> Interesting!
[14:41] <Laurenceb_> for 800seconds
[14:41] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: quick google suggests it depends on how old the kinect sensor is, with the newer ones you might need a special cable
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[14:41] Action: SpeedEvil looks at his 100kV PSU design.
[14:41] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298: yeah, it seems to be a right pain to find one that will actually work with PC.
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> 2kv is almost to the point where it's not worth bothering with pezio.
[14:42] <mfa298> google led me to 13:19 < PE2G> tjanos: You're looking at the 00 UTC sounding, scroll down to the 12 UTC sounding
[14:42] <Laurenceb_> www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a429524.pdf
[14:42] <Laurenceb_> lol the breadboard
[14:42] <mfa298> or even http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Kinect-Adapter-Power-Supply/dp/B004IXRXGY
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:42] Action: mfa298 failed with the copy&paste
[14:43] <Laurenceb_> its almost too easy
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> Wait - 800s?
[14:43] <Laurenceb_> yes
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> With a comparable energy use to chemical?
[14:43] <Laurenceb_> yes
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> (you know what I mean)
[14:43] <Laurenceb_> efficiency is ~60%
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> That's not bad at all.
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> Plus - 'drop tanks' would be easy.
[14:44] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298: I've been looking at the same one on Amazon. I just can't tell if I'll be able to just plug it straight into the PC with that.
[14:44] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: reading http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/e98786bb-560e-4603-9d08-67033d58c51a/how-to-physically-connect-the-kinect-to-a-laptop suggests that sort of thing should work
[14:44] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: the only problem is that each jet gives teeny thrust
[14:44] <Laurenceb_> so you have to have an array, which gets large
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: Is the area comparable to solar input?
[14:45] <Laurenceb_> but people have done ~10^3 tips arrays, with 1mm tip to tip
[14:45] <Laurenceb_> no, 2 orders of mag less area
[14:45] <Laurenceb_> but just a little annoyingly big
[14:45] <ibanezmatt13> yes it does look right mfa298, thanks
[14:45] <Laurenceb_> like inch square on a cubesat
[14:45] <Laurenceb_> so youd want fold out panels on the sides
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> That's not terrible.
[14:46] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: next challenge might be finding one in the UK unless you're happy buying from the USA and waiting for a bit.
[14:46] <ibanezmatt13> mm, yeah I'll check it out Ebay might have something
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[14:46] <mfa298> wouldn't be surprised if they do.
[14:47] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: vacuum insulation is quite good, which helps
[14:47] <Laurenceb_> http://www.tda.com/Library/docs/AIAA-2006-5007.pdf
[14:47] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crown-Kinect-Sensor-Adaptor-Xbox360/dp/B004TVO4BC/ref=pd_sim_vg_h__1
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: Oooh. You can test them in air?
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> That does make development rather simpler.
[14:48] <mfa298> that's cheaper than the one I found :D
[14:48] <Laurenceb_> yes
[14:48] <Laurenceb_> but you need vacuum to test ISP
[14:48] <Laurenceb_> as teeny droplets slow down kind of quickly
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[14:49] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: But not that great vacuum.
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> I suppose it would be nicer to have the 'beam' impinging on a target to measure it
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> But a tiny vacuum chamber should work well.
[14:49] <Laurenceb_> yeah thats what most people have done to test them
[14:50] <Laurenceb_> also you need bipolar - dual thrusters
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> Also - no gas emissions to fuck your vacuum
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> So you don't charge?
[14:50] <Laurenceb_> unless you have an electron gun, but that eats about half the power
[14:50] <Laurenceb_> yes
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> Can the opposite polatiry thrusters be placed on two cylindrical pods held out from the craft by poles?
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:53] <dl7ad> .
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[14:56] <SpeedEvil> Actually - I guess that if you do have a distributed thrust area - manouevering gets a bit simpler.
[14:57] Action: SpeedEvil ponders pointing.
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> star tracking, and laser aiming might be very interesting.
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Radio unfortunately sucks.
[15:00] <SpeedEvil> In principle modest laser powers would let a cubesat dump data during a pass at a gigabit or so.
[15:02] <nats`> SpeedEvil you think about a wide FOV receiver and a laser at the emitter ?
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> No.
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> A pointed telescope with a narrowband laser filter at the receiver.
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> And a pointed laser on the top end.
[15:03] <nats`> hardly trackable by amateur no ?
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> The equipment is not expensive if you have the tracking scope
[15:03] <nats`> but I mean the sat must point at you too ?
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> In principle, even a large pair of binoculars will help quite a bit.
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> But perhaps badly.
[15:04] <nats`> so you can't have two receiver ?
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> A few degree beam.
[15:04] <nats`> ok
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> The basic idea would be comms at 433 or so to tell it where to point next orbit.
[15:06] <nats`> and for power ?
[15:06] Action: mfa298 can see the daily fail headlines now: Amateurs create DEATH RAY in space!
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> nats`: solar
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> nats`: this is not in principle high power stuff
[15:07] <nats`> the death star powered by SpeedEvil :)
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> It would be very, very visible.
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> But think more of a really, really bright star which gives slight after-images.
[15:09] <nats`> and how do you handle all the light problem accross different density of th atmospher ?
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> ?
[15:11] <nats`> I mea you know when you look at a fix light accross the sky
[15:11] <nats`> you see it blinking and changing color
[15:11] <nats`> (and without taking lsd :p)
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> 'seeing' is an issue.
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> And will reduce data rates.
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> Multiple recievers can help with that
[15:15] <Laurenceb_> you can do orientation with a magno + gyro
[15:15] <Laurenceb_> and multiple receivers for orbit determination
[15:15] <Laurenceb_> then you can spin up using magnotorquers
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> Sun and earth sensors are pretty much a doddle too
[15:16] <Laurenceb_> http://www.tda.com/Library/docs/AIAA-2006-5007.pdf
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> 6*VGA micro mobile cameras, as a start.
[15:16] <Laurenceb_> just magno + NOAA field model works
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> Sun+earth+moon will get you really quite close indeed
[15:16] <Laurenceb_> i have NOAA field model running on stm32
[15:17] <Laurenceb_> ~100ms/ run
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> I suppose you can also get venus and mars if your camera is pointed in the dark
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[15:18] <SpeedEvil> Jupiter too
[15:18] <Laurenceb_> page 9 is interesting
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[15:18] <Laurenceb_> seems to be plasma around the spray
[15:18] <Laurenceb_> presumably as it breaks up and redistributes
[15:19] <Laurenceb_> the large droplets are broken up due to excessive charge in the center
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> Same as with pressure.
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> You get droplets of a size equal to the input energy until it equals the surface tension energy
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> sort-of
[15:19] <Laurenceb_> yeah
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[15:20] <SpeedEvil> I don't see a diameter of the colloid droplets.
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> A few hundred nm?
[15:21] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[15:23] <Laurenceb_> "e assumed
[15:23] <Laurenceb_> 28nm diameter droplets with a charge to mass ratio of 10,000 C/kg. Th"
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> hmm.
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[15:48] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/power-supplies-transformers/dc-dc-converters/non-isolated-dc-dc-converters/?searchTerm=10Kv+dc-dc
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[16:10] <nats`> found an english discussiona t 145.7770
[16:11] <nats`> 3 minutes of morse before a male synthetic voice gave a suite of numbers and nothing more
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[16:12] <nats`> FM com for info
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[16:14] <fsphil> numbers stations in VHF? :)
[16:15] <nats`> maybe more the ISS
[16:15] <nats`> no ?
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[16:32] <MobileNathan> Hello.
[16:33] <fsphil> yo
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[16:58] <N2NXZ> Hello
[16:59] <N2NXZ> I have a question regarding DL-FLDIGI and testing the program for tracking here in my location.Can I try a test string using RTTY?If so,what would be a good string to test with?
[17:00] <jedas> i've took example from webpage, with precalculated crc
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[17:01] <N2NXZ> I will check that out,thank you
[17:02] <jedas> i *think* i've used these http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[17:02] <Upu> hey Jim!
[17:02] <Upu> <- Anthony M0UPU
[17:02] <jedas> experienced users adviced stay away from XOR based checksum
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[17:02] <N2NXZ> Very good,going to look that over,than you again.
[17:02] <jedas> look for better one
[17:03] <Upu> there is a recorded wav file of an Icarus launch somewhere
[17:03] <Upu> otherwise should an I'll record you a payload
[17:03] <jedas> yea, those records helps too in the begining, when, nothig still works :)
[17:04] <N2NXZ> ok,hoping to launch next week and wantto use DL-FLDIGI here in the USA as a tracking station along with 144.39 mhz APRS
[17:04] <Upu> I'm setting 2 trackers up right now N2NXZ for you :)
[17:04] <N2NXZ> ok
[17:05] <N2NXZ> I am running the program now and do see my station icon in the map
[17:05] <Upu> If I UPS them on Monday you should have them on Thursday
[17:05] <Upu> but they are funny about batteries
[17:05] <N2NXZ> good deal and thank you again
[17:05] <seventeen> I saw N2NXZ in the logs yesterday, looks ok :$$N2NXZ,12,19:54:54,53.752387,-1.818013,279,6,8*9B79\n
[17:05] <Upu> so you'll have to source some Energizer lithium ultimates lcoally
[17:05] <N2NXZ> hope this works out especially with weather :)
[17:05] <Upu> that was me testing seventeen
[17:05] <seventeen> ok
[17:05] <Upu> you have a soldering iron N2NXZ ?
[17:06] <Upu> just for soldering some wires to the batteries
[17:06] <N2NXZ> yes...use it a lot,tip is almost cooked off...
[17:06] <Upu> super
[17:06] <Upu> well I was having a think
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[17:06] <N2NXZ> Still have to solder up the aprs kit too
[17:06] <N2NXZ> and program it
[17:06] <Upu> and I found my dual RTTY/APRS payload that I sent to Austria a few months ago
[17:07] <Upu> its got a euro HX1 on it so can do both APRS and RTTY
[17:07] <Upu> its 15g
[17:07] <N2NXZ> great...i have only retrieved one payload of 5
[17:07] <Upu> I'm going to amend the code on it to sleep until it hits about -15 longitude then fire up
[17:07] <Upu> thats tommorrows job
[17:07] <N2NXZ> cool...this is pretty exiting
[17:07] <N2NXZ> exciting
[17:08] <Upu> you'll need at least six energizer lithiums
[17:08] <N2NXZ> ok...will do
[17:08] <Upu> but I'll mail you details
[17:08] <Upu> they have antennas on already
[17:08] <N2NXZ> than you
[17:08] <Upu> just poke them out of the box
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[17:09] <N2NXZ> very small payload,using thick styrofoam container used here for medical supplies
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[17:09] <Upu> should be fine
[17:09] <Upu> right I need to cook back sooon
[17:09] <N2NXZ> remember,going to have 2 seperate trackers on board,will keep them separated to avoid RFI
[17:10] <Upu> if you need a sample recording of a balloon transmission there is a file on the wiki somewhere
[17:10] <Upu> well three actually I'm sending the APRS/RTTY and a small RTTY one :)
[17:10] <N2NXZ> :)
[17:10] <N2NXZ> I owe you one on this
[17:10] <N2NXZ> lets hope they make it home...
[17:12] <N2NXZ> going to hunt down a test string
[17:12] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/6K3I2Ff.jpg
[17:12] <Upu> the basa wood keeps the 2 meter antenna from touching the 70cms one
[17:12] <N2NXZ> I had problems with dl-fldigi this morning,it kept crashing,so tried running as admin and it worked again
[17:13] <Upu> In http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[17:13] <Upu> Scroll down to : There is a 30-sec recording of live data mp3 version and wav version. These files are about 500kB.
[17:13] <N2NXZ> that looks really neat
[17:13] <Upu> try those
[17:13] <Upu> you can just bend the antenna ground plane radials to shape when you get htem
[17:14] <Upu> right afk!
[17:14] <N2NXZ> ok...be back soon,going to get this operational to avoid last minute problems,i may have others to join with tracking so need to be able to assist setup
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[17:22] <nats`> guys a serie of wire horizontaly fixed on the roof of my bed room could do a good HF antenna ?
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[17:23] <SpeedEvil> Depends on the size and construction of your bedroom.
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> In some cases, it may be usable
[17:23] <mattbrejza> Upu: any ideas why a max7c board is having issues getting lock over a max6 one?
[17:24] <nats`> I'm on the last floor of the building
[17:33] <DL7AD_> since the changings spacenear went really really slow.... i know the problem only exists in firefox. is there a trick to solve the problem?
[17:33] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[17:34] <mfa298> nats`: it's still likely to depend on the size and construction of the room
[17:34] <mfa298> HF antennas tend to want a lot of wire.
[17:35] <mfa298> and any other metal nearby could affect it (re-inforced concrete can be bad for radio!)
[17:36] <nats`> I'll try to see if it works :)
[17:37] <mfa298> that's usually the best method.
[17:38] <mfa298> any particular band of HF you're interested in ?
[17:38] <nats`> need to find 10 meter of wire
[17:38] <nats`> not really
[17:38] <nats`> just to explore a little
[17:41] <mfa298> that would probably hear some stuff at least on the higher bands.
[17:41] <mfa298> if you could get it outside that might make quite a difference
[17:41] <nats`> I could glue the wire on the "balcony roof"
[17:41] <nats`> where I put my yagi to track balloon
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[17:44] <mfa298> as long is it's fairly spread out. (round the edge of the room or accross the balcony and then down the wall) it should have a good chance of picking up any radio waves that get to it
[17:48] <nats`> and magnetic loop ?
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[17:48] <mfa298> I think they're designed for a particular frequency so may not be that good for general listening.
[17:48] <nats`> uhhmm oky
[17:49] <mfa298> for general reception as much wire in the air as possible is likely to do the best job.
[17:50] <mfa298> possibly adding an ATU might help although you'de need a manual one for receive only.
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[17:50] <nats`> atu ?
[17:50] <mfa298> or as a very simple option a variable capacitor between the wire and the radio input.
[17:50] <mfa298> Antenna Tuner Unit - acts as a transformer between the impedance of the antenna and the impedance the radio wants.
[17:51] <nats`> oky
[17:51] <nats`> I'll try to find some doc on that to havea general idea
[17:51] <mfa298> buying them can get expensive mostly as their usually designed for transmitters so need some fairly chunky capacitors (rated for kV)
[17:52] <nats`> like those metal plate capacitor
[17:52] <mfa298> yep, the ones with a large spacing between the plates.
[17:53] <nats`> oky I could change that by smaller ones
[17:53] <nats`> since I just want to do rx
[17:53] <mfa298> you can find a range of designs for them online.
[17:53] <mfa298> but a simple variable capacitor between the antenna wire and the socket on the radio might do enough to help.
[17:54] <nats`> will try to source some on ebay :)
[17:54] <mfa298> as with lots of RF stuff the best trick is to experiment and see what makes things better.
[17:54] <mfa298> most ATU's on ebay are likely to be fairly expensive as they're designed for TX, so making an RX only one might be cheaper.
[17:55] <nats`> yep I was talking about variable cap
[17:55] <nats`> :)
[17:55] <mfa298> ah right, yep ebay, or farnell etc.
[17:55] <nats`> I don't use farnell anymore
[17:55] <nats`> they are too expensive
[17:55] <nats`> mouser or ebay now :)
[17:56] <nats`> http://www.ebay.fr/itm/1000pF-Total-Variable-Tuning-Capacitor-for-Crystal-Set-Radio-6-1-Reduction-Drive-/120906207800?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1c26925238
[18:01] <mfa298> probably even something like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120842501610
[18:02] <mfa298> although if you want to make a full ATU have a look at some circuits first as that will give an idea of the sorts of capacitance you need.
[18:02] <mfa298> for a proper atu you might also need some inductors
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[18:05] <LeoBodnar> evening!
[18:05] <LeoBodnar> what's hot?
[18:08] <gonzo_> anything above about 60deg
[18:08] <mfa298> unless it's Kelvin!
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[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> 50 years of Dr Who!
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> yay
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[18:29] <nosebleed> Hello everybody
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[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:30] <nosebleed> Recently I has a discussion with a friend. How possible is to lift a classical rocketry up to stratosphere and have ignition in almost no atmosphere ?
[18:31] <BrainDamage> rockets typically include both fuel and oxidizer
[18:31] <BrainDamage> so they don't need to take the oxidizer from air (oxygen)
[18:31] <nosebleed> sure there is no oxygen up there
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Scling probelms happen with large rockets.
[18:32] <Reb-SM3ULC> Good evening! What happened to SP3OSJ, it jsut went gona?
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> It's pretty easy to carry a 1kg rocket to 30000m or so.
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Scaling
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> A 200000kg rocket is entirely another matter
[18:32] <nosebleed> BTW, I have the pictures of my 2nd mission in full resolution here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/103865794@N05/sets/72157636112723816/
[18:33] <system2x> well the fact is that solid rocket propellant don't need air at all..... but can the propellant ignite after passing the troposphere?
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> Of course.
[18:33] <BrainDamage> it can
[18:33] <nosebleed> In my first mission I lifted 1350g up to 38.800m
[18:33] <system2x> I mean that it will freeze passing it
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> system2x: so you keep it warm, or pick a propellant that won't freeze.
[18:33] <BrainDamage> you only have to heat up a small portion
[18:33] <claudix> hello. I'm just experimenting with hab tracker and I wonder what is the refresh rate of data displayed on the screen. For example, currently SP3OSJ is in the air reporting a descending rate of 0.1m/s. However the altitude indicator is frozen at 5094m. Why isn't data refreshed? May the balloon be sending telemetry data every long periods of time?
[18:34] <SpeedEvil> In the case of solid rockets - they're already 'frozen' - as they're solid
[18:34] <system2x> aha that's right...
[18:34] <mfa298> claudix: I think the battery on it failed at that point so it stopped sending data
[18:35] <claudix> mfa298: thank you!
[18:35] <system2x> now how about control? I was thinking of using propane&boutane gas mix to control the rocket's direction when it reaches high altitude...
[18:36] <nosebleed> Have anyone try it before ? Is there any site ?
[18:36] <BrainDamage> it's commonly referred as rockoon
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> system2x: Where are you. This can be highly illegal in some places.
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleed, yeah many tried it before
[18:38] <nosebleed> Lunar_Lander: do we have a reference?
[18:38] <nosebleed> SpeedEvil: no laws in greece
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> I remember an experiment from Van Allen I think where they had a multistage solid rocket on a balloon and the last try reached 6000 km
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> one sec
[18:38] <nosebleed> greece==>chaos
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[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> first of all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockoon
[18:39] <nosebleed> rocket + balloon = rockoon :DDDDDDDDd
[18:40] <system2x> well did they managed to the LEO? :O
[18:40] <system2x> WOW
[18:40] <system2x> pass the LEO **
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[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> http://stratocat.com.ar/bases/15e.htm
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> http://stratocat.com.ar/bases/20e.htm
[18:42] <nosebleed> damn that is old
[18:45] <nosebleed> so no modern trials exists?
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> It's in general not interesting for many things.
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> Once you get over a few tens of kilos, it becomes really quite annoying indeed to launch rockets from balloons.
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> For many reasons.
[18:47] <SpeedEvil> Regulatory, safety, reliability, pointing, ...
[18:47] <nosebleed> scenario is just getting a little bit higher than a balloon can reach
[18:47] <system2x> yeah exactly
[18:47] <nosebleed> 35km with balloon another 10km with the rocker
[18:48] <nosebleed> ...just saying...
[18:48] <system2x> pointing though is not such an issue..... we are gonna use INS
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> For 10km, simply point it at 60 degrees upwards, on a long string from the balloon, and light at 30km
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleed, I believe when they got to satellites, the rockoons as such became obsolute for cosmic ray research
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[18:50] <system2x> well I was thinking to use the INS to point it at 80-90 degrees and light it at 35 km
[18:51] <nosebleed> system2x: altitude is still in question.
[18:51] <nosebleed> main problem is ignition and direction
[18:53] <system2x> well sirs do you know any simulator for high altitude rocketry? openrocket etc didn't give me data for higher altitudes...
[18:53] <DL1SGP> good evening all :D
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> Orbiter is a physically accurate spaceflight sim
[18:54] <system2x> I don't really wanna fly it....what I need is data
[18:55] <DL1SGP> Orbiter is quite fun, the interface is a bit tricky first but well :)
[18:55] <Reb-SM3ULC> SpeedEvil: googled... Densities at 20°C and 1 atm c air = 1.205 g L-1, methane (natural gas) = 0.668 g L-1
[18:55] <Reb-SM3ULC> wtf
[18:55] <Reb-SM3ULC> like 4 hours off scrollback
[18:55] <Reb-SM3ULC> sri
[18:56] <DL1SGP> heh Reb-SM3ULC
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> Reb-SM3ULC: yeah
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[19:07] <Reb-SM3ULC> I liked claudix question. Not always so easy to spot how old the latest data is.
[19:07] <system2x> do you think that using an INS is crucial on such applications?
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[19:12] <Laurenceb__> http://infoscience.epfl.ch/record/128798/files/EPFL_TH4255.pdf
[19:14] <system2x> thnx!
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[19:20] <ibanezmatt13> does anybody know if there's some sort of weird protocol with sky remotes communicating with the box?
[19:21] <ibanezmatt13> I'm trying to fabricate my own commands from an IR transceiver to do things on sky
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: Damn nearly a how-to.
[19:23] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[19:23] <Laurenceb__> pity there is no time of flight in droplet mode
[19:23] <Laurenceb__> also MEMS seems silly
[19:24] <Laurenceb__> PCB based with glass microcapillaries surely
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> But MEMS are sexy!
[19:27] <Upu_M0UPU> anyone know what APRS frequency they use in the Azores ?
[19:27] <Laurenceb__> they got 2400s ISP, but poor thrust
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[19:30] <craag> Upu_M0UPU: They've rxed the cross atlantic balloons on the american freq before.
[19:30] <Upu_M0UPU> I know but whats their native ?
[19:30] <Upu_M0UPU> because they had to retune for that
[19:30] <craag> Oh ok, didn't realise they had to retune.
[19:30] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah
[19:31] <craag> I would guess europe... but not sure how to find out except emailing their digi keeper.
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander_> hi craag
[19:31] <Upu_M0UPU> ok cheers
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[19:32] <Lunar_Lander_> yea I'd also say Europe as the azores belong to Portugal
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[19:37] <Upu_M0UPU> ok cheers craag I mailed CU2ARA
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[19:41] <craag> Upu_M0UPU: Cool, this has nothing to do with the fact tht if you launched a pico now it might go that way does it?
[19:41] <Upu_M0UPU> no
[19:41] <craag> ok :)
[19:41] <Upu_M0UPU> going the other way
[19:42] <craag> Evening Lunar_Lander_
[19:44] <Upu_M0UPU> http://i.imgur.com/hcFQwmz.jpg
[19:44] <Upu_M0UPU> if you're in that box go back to sleep for another 3 hours :)
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander_> look what I got for dinner http://s.gullipics.com/image/i/0/j/5yv8so-kz7una-yh2e/IMG0199.jpeg
[19:45] <Upu_M0UPU> unless you're in the little box in which case transmit probably :)
[19:45] <Upu_M0UPU> Lunar_Lander
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[19:45] <Upu_M0UPU> you're a little odd you know that ?
[19:45] <craag> Upu_M0UPU: Good plan
[19:45] <craag> LOL LU
[19:45] <craag> Lunar_Lander_:
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander_> well tell that the BBC who did the 11th doctor eat that
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander_> *let
[19:46] <craag> oh yeah!
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[20:00] <system2x> well guyz thanks for info and help
[20:00] <system2x> BB
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[20:03] <LeoBodnar> Upu_M0UPU: 144.800
[20:03] <Upu_M0UPU> awesome
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> http://aprs.fi/info/a/CU2GI-9
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> Comment: QRA: PAULO BAIROS - AZORES - 144.800Mh
[20:04] <Upu_M0UPU> ok I'll enable the APRS when 400km very ish from Azores
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> good luck!
[20:05] <Upu_M0UPU> lol indeed
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[20:20] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander_: nice ,"standard" dish on mondays in this family :)
[20:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander_: without the vaniljsås..
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[20:54] <Lunar_Lander__> Reb-SM3ULC, cool!
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[21:32] <N2NXZ> Having trouble with DL=FLDIGI,it just stopped working and now will not start,anyone have clues?
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander__> Upu, what are you up to concerning the Azores?
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[21:49] <N2NXZ> Working again,took me a few hours but had to delete ALL dl-fldigi files and reinstall..not sure why that happened.Back to work :)
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[22:47] <dl7ad> Evening
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander__> evening
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[23:06] <willbaldwin> Hello, I was wondering If I could get some help setting up my tracking system. I am using a 434.500 Hz transmitter and receiving on a ham radio
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[23:07] <DL7AD> morning
[23:08] <willbaldwin> what settings do I need to put into dl-fldigi to correctly interpret the tones from my ham radio and upload to the spacenearus tracker
[23:08] <willbaldwin> Good morning to you too
[23:08] <craag> willbaldwin: Do you have 2 lines in the waterfall on dlfldigi?
[23:08] <willbaldwin> Im sorry, I am very new to this software
[23:09] <willbaldwin> what does that mean?
[23:09] <craag> willbaldwin: Have you had a read of the wiki guide?
[23:09] <craag> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[23:09] <willbaldwin> yes, I have
[23:10] <craag> ok, how far have you got?
[23:10] <willbaldwin> Do I need to establish my flight somewhere in order to get a call sign
[23:10] <craag> No
[23:10] <craag> So you have a transmitter outputing 50 baud RTTY?
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[23:10] <willbaldwin> 960 baud
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[23:11] <willbaldwin> 9600**
[23:11] <LeoBodnar> oh god
[23:11] <craag> erm that's not going to work
[23:11] <Upu> might want to turn that down a bit :)
[23:11] <craag> <=600 is best
[23:11] <willbaldwin> ok why?
[23:11] <craag> dl-fldigi won't decode that fast
[23:11] <willbaldwin> ok
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[23:12] <craag> and we use slower speeds because they have more range
[23:12] <craag> usually 50 for positioning
[23:12] <LeoBodnar> and lower bw
[23:12] <willbaldwin> I can do 300 lowes
[23:12] <willbaldwin> would this suffice?
[23:12] <craag> Ok, 300 is fine.
[23:12] <craag> What device are you using out of interest?
[23:13] <willbaldwin> ok give me a minute to update that
[23:13] <willbaldwin> transmitter?
[23:13] <craag> yeah, and what have you got connected?
[23:17] <willbaldwin> Im using a radiometrix 434.500 hz transmitter that is transmitting gps coordinates from a spark fun gps chip
[23:18] <craag> ah gps chip connected straight to the transmitter?
[23:19] <craag> That's not going to be compatible with spacenearus or any of that system
[23:19] <craag> You need a microcontroller (eg Arduino) in the middle.
[23:20] <willbaldwin> I am using an arduino
[23:21] <craag> Right ok
[23:21] <willbaldwin> sorry I forgot to mention
[23:21] <willbaldwin> but I can pic up the the signal on my Kenwood TH-F6 radio
[23:21] <willbaldwin> but I am having trouble with the whole dl-fldigi and spacenearus
[23:22] <craag> Ok, are you transmitting a UKHAS sentence?
[23:22] <craag> eg $$CALLSIGN,123,12:30:40,21.3,43.2*AE32
[23:22] <willbaldwin> No
[23:23] <craag> Ok have a read of http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[23:23] <craag> You'll need that so dlfldigi can process it and upload it to spacenearus
[23:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Are you using USB mode rather than an FM mode on the TH-F6
[23:24] <willbaldwin> alright
[23:25] <willbaldwin> no, I am using a 3.5 mm audio input
[23:25] <willbaldwin> is there any advantages with the usb
[23:25] <craag> He means Upper SSB
[23:25] <mfa298> USB modulation mode, rather than USB data connection.
[23:25] <eroomde> the joys of hosting friends for the weekend are manifold
[23:25] <craag> (Upper Sideband Modulation)
[23:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> You have to receieve the signal in USB mode, the signal will then be sent from the TH-F6 via the 3.5mm jack to the computer
[23:26] <willbaldwin> yes sorry, I am in USB
[23:26] <eroomde> among the greatest is when the couple have a massive domestic all of a sudden, and you have little choice but to surrepticiously slip away to bed
[23:26] <eroomde> while the carnage unfolds downstairs
[23:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thats OK then some people try to use FM mode to receive the signal and fail ...
[23:27] <LeoBodnar> manifold?
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> As long as you come downstairs to the same number of live people as you left.
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[23:28] <willbaldwin> Ok so once I reestablish the string, how do I successfully connect it to dl-fldigi
[23:29] <eroomde> manifold - many and various
[23:29] <eroomde> in its adjective form
[23:29] <craag> willbaldwin: So you are transmitting two tones, you need to get them about 300hz apart on the waterfall.
[23:29] <willbaldwin> ok
[23:30] <willbaldwin> and how do I make my payload appear on spacenearus?
[23:30] <craag> Then if you put dlfdigi into 300 baud RTTY mode, and place the two 'guide' lines over those lines, it should decode.
[23:30] <willbaldwin> qlright
[23:30] <craag> Once you have it doing that, you create a payload doc on habitat that tells spacenearus how to decode your sentence.
[23:31] <willbaldwin> thank you so much
[23:31] <craag> Then it'll appear on the map :)
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[23:31] <mfa298> for 300baud you also need to increase the reciever filter bandwidth setting in dl-fldigi.
[23:31] <craag> It's a long process, but it's worth it!
[23:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> to late he had already gone!
[23:31] <craag> darn too late, i need to learn to touch type.
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[23:31] <craag> willbaldwin:
[23:31] <craag> 23:31 < mfa298> for 300baud you also need to increase the reciever filter bandwidth setting in dl-fldigi.
[23:31] <craag> 23:31 < craag> It's a long process, but it's worth it!
[23:32] <mfa298> willbaldwin: Are you in the US? If so you might need to check licensing for the 434MHz modules as you might need a HAM license (if you don't have one already)
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[23:37] <willbaldwin> Yes, I am in the US
[23:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> The screen for dl-fldigi should look similar to this http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/MOD1_20130922/Capture.JPG once you are receiving OK.
[23:37] <willbaldwin> I have a license
[23:40] <mfa298> you might need to use your HAM callsign in the string over there, In the UK where most of us are based 434 is a license Exempt band so we can make up callsigns (We're not allowed to use Amateur Radio airborne so HAM callsigns might be confusing if we used them on something flying)
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[23:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right Night all - AFK
[23:44] <Lunar_Lander__> night Geoff-G8DHE
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