highaltitude.log.20131122

[00:00] <SpeedEvil> But If you can thrust over about half the orbit - you're pretty flexible already
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[00:03] <Laurenceb__> toggling solenoid valve and use the boil off from a water tank
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[00:08] <Dove3_henry> SpeedEvil: even the worst orbits are in sunlight for more than half the time
[00:08] <Dove3_henry> usually closer to 70%
[00:08] <SpeedEvil> I could say I meant 'over about half the orbit' as exceeding half.
[00:09] <Dove3_henry> :)
[00:09] <SpeedEvil> But I diddn't.
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[00:09] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't think about that.
[00:09] <Dove3_henry_away> later, chaps
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[00:46] <arko> MobileNathan: just refilled up the helium tank
[00:47] <arko> Sunday is looking good
[00:47] <arko> 80%ish chance of launch
[00:48] <craag> :)
[00:49] <MobileNathan> arko: 80% on Sunday?
[00:49] <MobileNathan> Or Saturday?
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[00:58] <MobileNathan> Sunday is actually much more convenient for us arko, so I am glad it was pushed :)
[00:59] <MobileNathan> Weather predicts clear skies on Sunday anyway, so that's good.
[01:04] <arko> MobileNathan: yeah sunday
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[01:08] <MobileNathan> Arko: Sunday, same spot, 13:00?
[01:08] <arko> yes
[01:09] <MobileNathan> Great. Just confirmed we can go, so we'll see you there.
[01:09] <arko> great
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[01:09] <arko> hopefully the weather holds
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[01:12] <MobileNathan> Yeah, it's been clear for Sunday throughout the week, so that's a good sign. But it came down pretty heavily today.
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[01:14] <arko> yeah
[01:15] <arko> it was crazy
[01:15] <arko> took me 2.5 hours to get to school
[01:15] <arko> 210 east shut down
[01:15] <arko> then there was two accidents between the detour and school
[01:15] <arko> along the 210 and 57
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[01:15] <arko> crazyness
[01:16] <arko> and now i have to head home, but it doesnt look too bad, just sluggish into pasadena
[01:17] <MobileNathan> And it was pretty unexpected too. I mean when I was driving to school myself, it came down all of a sudden. My school seems to be very susceptible to floods and such during rain storms. And it shouldn't take too long to get home; it's drizzling a bit right now.
[01:17] <MobileNathan> What happened to the California sun!?
[01:20] <arko> dunno
[01:20] <arko> seattle sent us their weather!
[01:22] <MobileNathan> Psht, we want out sun back! I want the weather to be nice for my first launch. I might have to wait until the Winter is over.
[01:24] <arko> haha
[01:24] <arko> you mean Summer (Cold Edition)
[01:26] <MobileNathan> Yeah, or whenever it starts to get warmer.
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[02:16] <DL7AD> morning
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[04:01] <heathkid> uBlox NEO-6T *finally* working!!! :)
[04:01] <heathkid> yes... timing GPS... not position...
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[04:03] <heathkid> *insane* how fast this updates!
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[04:25] <arko> damn leo isnt awake yet
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[05:14] <DL7AD_> morning arko
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[06:47] <DL7AD> morning
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[06:59] <Maxell> DL7AD: same!
[06:59] <x-f> Maxell, concur!
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[07:26] <DL7AD_> morning
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[07:45] <DL7AD_> morning
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[08:21] <jphoglund> morning
[08:26] <fsphil> good*ing
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[08:46] <DL1SGP> good morning!
[08:49] <Reb-SM3ULC> morrrn
[08:49] <fsphil> average morning so far
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[08:54] <DL7AD_> morning
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[08:55] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: yeah, +-0 C, rain, on the the way out in the fun....
[08:55] <fsphil> ice here this-morning
[08:55] <fsphil> but clear skies
[08:55] <fsphil> nice and sunny
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[09:25] <nats`> hi :)
[09:33] <Maxell> Hello!
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[09:33] <nats`> how is it going ?
[09:37] <Reb-SM3ULC> seems windy today i uk?
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[09:40] <SM5OCI> Seems like a launch from Poland is imminent. Anyone else who has plans?
[09:42] <Reb-SM3ULC> B-32, maybe?
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[09:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> 'Morning HAB Guys
[09:59] <fsphil> mornings n' stuff
[09:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hiya Phil
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Busy one for me this morning but before I set about it....
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[10:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> I was trying to get meaningful data out of the GPS on my new board yesterday. I'm manageing to get 0,s for Lon and Lat and 255 for Sats. Do I need to initialise it or will it just lock and start spitting values out?
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[10:02] <fsphil> it'll put out nmea strings as soon as its powered up
[10:02] <fsphil> may take a while to get a lock though
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is there one I can interrogate to prove I have the right config? or are all the values dependant on a lock?
[10:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm using the TinyGPS library
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[10:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> The older VAYU board locks normally within 20 sentences, the new NTX one didn't seem to lock after over 50
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[10:04] <fsphil> it'll always vary
[10:04] <fsphil> positions of satellites etc
[10:05] <fsphil> from looking at the examples, tinygps's encode() function will return true as soon as there's data
[10:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, I have a load of stuff to do so I'll stick it in the window while I work and periodically check it
[10:05] <fsphil> you can probably check the number of satellites used to work out if it's valid
[10:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've got it reporting sats. Looks like $$VAYU-NTX,5,255,0,0*FFFF at the moment for example
[10:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> 5 being sentence no. and sats at 255
[10:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> I imagine it gives 255 when there is no data?
[10:07] <fsphil> that's probably not coming from the ublox
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[10:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> I suspected that
[10:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyway, I better get on. I'll be back later for some help! :D
[10:08] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: boo
[10:08] <x-f> umm..
[10:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Gah!
[10:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Morning Andy, x-f
[10:08] <x-f> morning
[10:09] <Andrew_M6GTG> morning Steve, just caught the backend of that conversation, issues?
[10:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, not getting anything meaningful from the uBlox
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[10:09] <x-f> invalid values (like 255 for sats) should be only on the first cycle when there is no data from the GPS at all, after that it should report 0
[10:09] <x-f> as far as i know TinyGPS
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[10:10] <Andrew_M6GTG> sounds like fun.. comms issue, or just weird data?
[10:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've hacked together some code I found online and Anthony's RTTY demo. Anyway, I'll be back in an hour and you can all dissect it *yuk* :-)
[10:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not sure yet Andy, Speak to you soon!
[10:11] <Andrew_M6GTG> k.. should be around
[10:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool, cheers and thanks Phil
[10:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> ..
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[10:35] <gb73d> http://spaceinvideos.esa.int/esalive
[10:35] <gb73d> 1045+ utc launch of swarm pletsk 1200
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[10:43] <fsphil> urg talking
[10:43] <fsphil> already lost the will to watch
[10:43] <fsphil> ESA don't make good telly
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[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> In that case funcube -1 pass about to start
[10:44] <fsphil> is the funcube dashboard good enough to detect the signal without doppler correction?
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[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not sure to be honest I would have thpought so
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[10:55] <Laurenceb> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4472635&cid=45486243
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[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right that's over now is sp3osj about to appear ?
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[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes he has!
[10:59] <DL1SGP> yeap good timing
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Better change aerials over as well ....
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[11:01] <M0TVU> Morning all.
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Morning
[11:01] <M0TVU> It's been a while. How do I alter the shift in FL-Digi?
[11:02] <x-f> right-click on RTTY in lower left corner of dl-fldigi
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> right click RTTY in lower left corner and then adjust the bandwidth/speed etc
[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah just noticed the prediction for sp3osj doesn't get close to the UK any longer
[11:03] <M0TVU> For some reason the lines aren't moving
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Are you on RTTY ?
[11:05] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: The prediction on spacenearus is for a 32km burst, SP3OSJ will be a foil won't it?
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes I suspect your right Craag
[11:05] <M0TVU> Aha!
[11:06] <craag> M0TVU: Still set to dominoex? :P
[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> It will be a while before it appears whatever its route is I suspect!
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Talking of Domino - anyone else hear the two or three bursts of what looked vagually like DOmino from funcube-1
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> ?
[11:07] <M0TVU> Yes it was been ages since i've used it. Been playing with other projects but hope to get a payload soon.
[11:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> mm, Altitude: -448 m
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[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> craag, Just looking at automating the aerials, your software for HABrotate talks to PstRotator which talks to the K3NG board is that right ?
[11:13] <craag> HABrotate talks to pstrotator
[11:13] <craag> That's the bit I know about :)
[11:13] <craag> I would assume it talks to the K3NG board
[11:14] <craag> (I don't own a rotator myself, wrote it by the request of Noel G8GTZ)
[11:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed, haven't got as far reading all the guff yet, just scanned it last night quick!
[11:15] <craag> I hope you find it useful :)
[11:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK, and it takes direct from Habitat database rather than from dl-fldigi locally ?
[11:15] <craag> Yes
[11:15] <craag> getting it from dl-fldigi locally is a LOT harder than it sounds
[11:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> I still have to locate something to handle the DDE from SDR-Radio then as well for satellites in that case!
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup it makes sense to get from the DB anyway as if your not hearing it you can't calculate it!
[11:16] <craag> indeed
[11:16] <craag> I'm planning to write a standalone app that talks between habitat and the K3NG board at some point
[11:16] <craag> Probably pi based.
[11:17] <Lunar_LanderU> hello!
[11:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes I can see a demand for that
[11:17] <craag> (uni club just jsut acquired a 2-axis)
[11:17] <craag> Hello Lunar_LanderU !
[11:18] <Lunar_LanderU> how's life?
[11:18] <DL1SGP> hello Lunar_LanderU
[11:19] <craag> Going well, rushing to get stuff done before jetting off for christmas. you?
[11:19] <Lunar_LanderU> ah
[11:20] <Lunar_LanderU> the stopped-flow machine seems to work!!
[11:20] <Lunar_LanderU> :D
[11:20] <Lunar_LanderU> finally!
[11:20] <UpuWork> Geoff-G8DHE PST Rotator talks to the K3NG board
[11:20] <UpuWork> craag's software talks to PST Rotator
[11:21] <DL1SGP> looks like finally something might be floating over here hooray :D
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> So I gather only had a quick scan last night, need to see how I can get the data from SDR-Radio as well the Sat prediction code shoves it out using DDE.
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> OSJ is up I see
[11:22] Action: craag googles..
[11:23] <craag> microsoft's equivalent of a unix socket?
[11:23] <craag> oh more like dbus
[11:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> I would guess there might be code around to handle it otherwise I don't think Simon would have gone down that route ... possibly
[11:26] <craag> Yeah there's some python modules for it it looks like
[11:26] <craag> last updated 14 years ago...
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Apparently Orbitron and Nova already use it
[11:27] <craag> ah, no that's a webui bug, 4 years ago
[11:27] <craag> Well it's the fancy way of doing it
[11:28] <craag> Not sure I quite see the advantage for this over a TCP socket, apart from making it all sound more fancy.
[11:30] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: So you're wanting DDE => pstrotator, or?
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> That would be nice, it would all be in one package then !
[11:31] <craag> hmm, do you have a link for a spec of the DDE data?
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[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> I will sit down and read all the package details over the weekend, and see whats what. The DDE info for SDR-RAdio appears to be in its manual for Sat tracking do you have that ?
[11:32] <craag> I'll take a look at that then
[11:33] <craag> So this is [SDR Radio, sat prediction] => DDE => pstrotator ?
[11:33] <g0hdi> Is that it? Am I logged in successfuly hi
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Actually there isn't any detail despite having a section on it
[11:33] <craag> :/
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> g0hdi, yes looks like you have joined the IRC .. :-)
[11:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> craag yes that would be the path
[11:34] <craag> Ah hello g0hdi, brian isn't it?
[11:34] <g0hdi> Oh brilliant! new bod here. Thanks! ...Yes it's Brian.
[11:34] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Ok, I'll hunt around for specs on the DDE format later this weekend.
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[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh nice man! Thankyou
[11:35] <craag> Should be quite easy to adapt habrotate into dderotate :)
[11:35] <craag> (I hope, relies on sane and existing specs)
[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Plenty of people will be using Windows so it will get use I'm sure!
[11:36] <craag> g0hdi: Hi, I dropped you an email off-list btw about the POP1 balloon that appeared. It was us at the uni spaceflight soc trying out some trackers.
[11:36] <craag> (I was CALLSIGN123 as I didn't have it set up properly)
[11:37] <g0hdi> I see the Polish balloon is up guys, but one info says rtty 100 and another says rtty 50. presumably dl-fldigi is correct at 100. Ok craag I'll take a look at that
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[11:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> SP3OSJ: rtty 50 or 100?
[11:45] <SP3OSJ> 100
[11:47] <SP3OSJ> Hallo Rostock, Lubeck, Hamburg, Bremen and Amsterdam ears to top!
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[11:51] <fsphil> hoping this one keeps going west
[11:51] <fsphil> would be nice to hear a pico :)
[11:51] <UpuWork> possibly too heavy to float but we'll see
[11:51] <fsphil> mm
[11:52] <fsphil> cpc are getting slow. order placed yseterday morning is still only processing
[11:56] <db_g6gzh> thanks, that reminds me I need to order a 10mm SDS bit if I haven't already got one 8-)
[11:56] <eroomde> adamgreig: are you using the 13.10 repo's ipython3 and ipython3-notebook?
[11:57] <adamgreig> no
[11:57] <adamgreig> was for a bit
[11:57] <adamgreig> but it's 1.1 and has the issue in ipython parallel that they left debug code in parallel_function.map
[11:57] <adamgreig> so it prints a "in <0xabc> doing <whatever>" each time the function is calledf
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[11:57] <adamgreig> so I got latest git head and am on that (2.0.0-dev)
[11:59] <DL1SGP> SP3OSJ: ears are ready here :) hope it makes it
[11:59] <fsphil> seems to be going down
[11:59] <eroomde> adamgreig: ok cool
[11:59] <eroomde> thanks
[12:00] <adamgreig> though I'm not using ipython parallel for this particular thing any more
[12:00] <adamgreig> installed a proper BLAS and it can now do dot() multithreaded
[12:00] <LeoBodnar> SP3OSJ: what are you using for solar charging system on this one?
[12:00] <adamgreig> which suits my needs perfectly
[12:04] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[12:05] <fsphil> still dropping
[12:07] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: kind of different watching people in launch control nasa vs this one. nasa=always white shirts, this=t-shirt or whatever.. :)
[12:08] <fsphil> dunno, I've seen some dodgey looking outfits at nasa
[12:14] <SP3OSJ> other inverter up
[12:15] <LeoBodnar> which one SP3OSJ ?
[12:16] <SP3OSJ> 2
[12:16] <SP3OSJ> 2xup
[12:17] <LeoBodnar> Which chip did you use on solar panel?
[12:17] <SP3OSJ> series
[12:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> SP3OSJ: will you chase it?
[12:18] <LeoBodnar> unusually low voltage
[12:18] <LeoBodnar> on solar panels
[12:19] <LeoBodnar> oh, voltage just shot up
[12:20] <fsphil> altitude rising too
[12:20] <fsphil> clouds
[12:23] <SP3OSJ> solar 4V (4x0,5V)-> MCP1640(1) ->3,5V dioda shotky power tracker( 3,5V-0,5V=3V). MCP1640(1)out and resistor 20om to MCP1640(2)in and 1,5VAAA. Out MCP1640(2) 3V Power tracker
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[12:27] <DL7AD> SP3OSJ: what happened to your balloon? its already descending...
[12:28] <SP3OSJ> woter? rain?
[12:30] <DL7AD> SP3OSJ: im not able to receive it here in berlin because i have no equiment here.
[12:30] <DL7AD> *no good equipment
[12:30] <DL7AD> i could just ask a friend in order to receive it
[12:31] <x-f> not descending anymore :)
[12:32] <DL7AD> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/electroninks/circuit-scribe-draw-circuits-instantly?ref=category
[12:32] <DL7AD> x-f: but probably soon
[12:32] <DL7AD> *again
[12:32] <x-f> be positive!
[12:33] <DL7AD> *with keeping in mind each case
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[12:43] <Maxell> Looks like SP3OSJ is going strong again :D
[12:43] <DL1SGP> yeah it better hurrys a bit I gotta go in a while :)
[12:43] <Maxell> SP3OSJ: why are you the only tracker? I've seen the mail come around!
[12:45] <SP3OSJ> Yes! Yes! In SP3OSJ is the power!!!!!
[12:46] <SP3OSJ> Do not go home, stay still
[12:47] <jedas> what power the TX does it have ?
[12:47] <jedas> i've tried to catch in lithuania - no luck
[12:47] <jedas> of course it was quite low
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[12:50] <x-f> Maxell, probably because it is workday
[12:50] <x-f> and still low
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[12:51] <LeoBodnar> thanks SP3OSJ
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[12:58] <SP3OSJ> Leo understand? Tracker is powered by a AAA battery and solar (by shotky) is 3V Voltage tracker. Charging 3.5V(out MCP1640(noumber1) -> 20om -> 1.5 V (AAA)
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[12:59] <jedas> SP3OSJ, what is tx power ?
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[13:02] <SP3OSJ> different now is 12mW
[13:04] <DL1SGP> SP3OSJ what is your current dial + offset and is it relatively stable?
[13:05] <SP3OSJ> +-1,5khz Now is the perfect: 437.700.00
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[13:06] <DL1SGP> thanks
[13:10] <SP3OSJ> Leo current flows change through the resistor 100mA (3,5-1,5=2V) I=U/R
[13:13] <LeoBodnar> ok, thanks
[13:15] <SP3OSJ> Leo will not know anything ask me. I explain everything to you and assess'll put the notebook.
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[13:24] <DL7AD> okay.... told a friend about SP3OSJ here in berlin
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[13:36] <DL7AD> http://dl7ad.de/hab_contacts/user.php?balloon=SP3OSJ#map
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[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> DL7AD, You need to validate country entries perhaps I used UK others have used United Kingdom ?
[13:55] <DL7AD> Geoff-G8DHE-M: i have to use dropdowns.... im correcting this manually currently.
[13:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Best solution ;-)
[13:56] <SP3OSJ> It's all I know: http://s21.postimg.org/dlrzwxfyf/aaa.jpg
[13:57] <DL7AD> Geoff-G8DHE-M: anyway... arko and i are developing a new system based on the current database
[14:00] <Lunar_LanderU> mm
[14:01] <Lunar_LanderU> BMP085 and HIH-6121 don't work together if the Geiger Counter is running on the software serial
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[14:04] <eroomde> do you really need to talk to a geiger counter over serial?
[14:04] <eroomde> can't you just count the pulses?
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[14:06] <Lunar_LanderU> yes, have to read up on the interrupts once again
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[14:14] <Hix> Anyone wise in the ways of VMWarePlayer?
[14:16] <jedas> i've used it a bit. what's up ?
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[14:26] <Hix> keyboard is borked jedas not having much luck finding the answer. update hasn't fixed it wither
[14:26] <Hix> *either
[14:27] <jedas> so what's the problem ?
[14:27] <Hix> some keys fail to work at all, others are effectively sticking on, whilst being mapped totally wrong
[14:28] <jedas> i would say it's a matter os OS not VM
[14:29] <jedas> sorry i need to go afk
[14:29] <Hix> everything else is fine
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[14:31] <mfa298> sounds a bit like sticky keys or similar has got stuck on somewhere (host or VM)
[14:31] <nats`> sticky keys the problem with porn streaming....
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[14:31] <mfa298> there are a few keys that may not pass through properly (things like Ctrl-alt-del, odd function keys) if they have a meaning to vmware as well
[14:33] <Hix> yep, but this is every key on the keyboard, loathe to have to rebuild the VM, losing lots in the process
[14:33] <mfa298> if you havn't already try shutting down the vm and host and then start everything up again
[14:33] <mfa298> otherwise it could just be a saved keyboard setting in the VM
[14:36] <Hix> I've killed both and updated the player, but to no avail.
[14:36] <eroomde> the thing i like most bout virtualbox is the 'install guest additions' thing
[14:36] <eroomde> that makes everything just work nicely
[14:37] <mfa298> I'm assuming vmware player has something similar, Certainly the other vmware products have vmware tools to install which integrates things properly
[14:38] <SP3OSJ> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/157378_trj001.gif
[14:38] <Hix> yup vmware tools installed. gonna try a new build
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[14:44] <Hix> grrr catch22 - remote access and IRC are all running on a socks - which is through xubuntu - which is the VM. bugger
[14:45] <mfa298> can you not build a new vm whilst the current one is running. Then if the new one doesn't have the keybard issues swap over to the new one.
[14:45] <Hix> oh - you can run multiples?
[14:46] <Hix> oh nice - fibre paying the bills - 13.10 in ~3mins sweet
[14:48] <mfa298> if you've got enough ram I'd assume so, unless vmware player limits how much you can run
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[14:50] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[14:51] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
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[15:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> Hix: got your ports open?
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[15:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> Hix: I've ordered fiber too. Digging in april/may. :)
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[15:37] <Hix> hi Reb-SM3ULC finally got 443 to work. Cool - what speed are they predicting?
[15:38] <Hix> mfa298 built 13.10 and it has the very same issue. Seems to be a vmware setting that is screwed all of a sudden, off to #vmware again :/
[15:39] <mfa298> well at least you've narrowed down the issue
[15:39] <Hix> yeah - every cloud.... :)
[15:42] <Reb-SM3ULC> Hix: 100/10 is included for 36 months, then you can choose 1000/1000,1000/100,100/100 etc
[15:42] <Hix> whoa 1000/1000 how many € is that
[15:45] <eroomde> i'm sure consumer grade + diversity and load management is cheaper than 'business' internet
[15:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> Hix: about ¢50 per month
[15:45] <Hix> €50 for 1000Mbps?
[15:47] <mfa298> eroomde: depends on how much you value your internet and how confident you are of diversity
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[15:47] <adamgreig> and how much you need an SLA that lets you claim money back if it goes wrong
[15:47] <adamgreig> or pass on the blame at least
[15:47] <adamgreig> and how much you need to be doing due diligence I guess
[15:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> Hix: yes
[15:47] <mfa298> I've heard stories of people ordering connections from two different companies for diversity, then finding both circuits run down the same set of fibre.
[15:48] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: very common in these DWDM-days
[15:48] <mfa298> (and that was for proper business leased lines) so I dread to think what consumer connections are like.
[15:49] <mfa298> In that case it might have been both companies (something like BT and Virgin) using a 3rd parties fibre (something like the local electric company who has fibre in the ground)
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[16:03] <jcoxon> afternoon
[16:08] <Maxell> morning
[16:08] <Maxell> SP3OSJ: very nice float path
[16:08] <Maxell> Not seeing that so often towards the UK!
[16:08] <Maxell> :D
[16:09] <jcoxon> Maxell, hehe still got some distance to go
[16:09] <Reb-SM3ULC> Hix: it's an open network so i pay for the fiber, then can choose from 10-15 ISPS
[16:10] <adamgreig> wow, that sounds like a really good system
[16:16] <jcoxon> upgrading to mavericks has really broken my build system
[16:16] <jcoxon> very annoyning
[16:20] <eroomde> switch back to the linux
[16:20] <eroomde> osx seems to break something useful every upgrade
[16:20] <eroomde> gcc will just go
[16:20] <eroomde> valgrind will just not work
[16:20] <eroomde> VirtualBox will just crash
[16:20] <jcoxon> eroomde, i'm not sure i can go back :-p
[16:21] <jcoxon> the horror
[16:21] <jcoxon> eroomde, i saw Discovery space shuttle :-)
[16:22] Action: fsphil is not jealous (lie)
[16:24] <zyp> eroomde, meanwhile linux breaks stuff all the time :p
[16:24] <zyp> or maybe that's not considered useful stuff
[16:25] <eroomde> jcoxon: cool! where?
[16:25] <eroomde> well apart from make not working for stupid reasons,the core building utilities seem to mostly work for me
[16:26] <jcoxon> DC http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/10964900546/in/set-72157637879493525
[16:27] <mfa298> zyp: only if you live on the bleeding edge - you don't have to live there with and have something that's nice and stable.
[16:28] <fsphil> I suppose I have actually seen Discovery, it was just 400km away at the time
[16:28] <zyp> mfa298, is ubuntu considered bleeding edge?
[16:28] <mfa298> I think for ubuntu it depends if you use LTS or not
[16:28] <fsphil> ubuntu have been making odd decisions lately
[16:29] <mfa298> LTS should be fairly stable/
[16:29] <fsphil> latest fedora I've found to be very unstable
[16:29] <mfa298> although every time I try Ununtu it disagrees with me
[16:29] <fsphil> though 20's beta seems better
[16:29] <fsphil> debian is dull but works well
[16:29] <mfa298> I've not noticed anything too bad with fedora 19 although I've not used it that much
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[16:30] <zyp> I've considered switcing from ubuntu to debian at work, but I'm not sure it's worth the time
[16:30] <fsphil> F19 has just constantly crashed on me
[16:31] <mfa298> looks like fedora20 proper is released soon.
[16:31] <fsphil> yea
[16:31] <fsphil> I may finally update my laptop
[16:31] <mfa298> 10/12/13
[16:32] <fsphil> hopefully gnome isn't too broken
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[16:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[16:32] <fsphil> howdy brian
[16:33] <fsphil> has anyone got the funcube software running via wine?
[16:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Does anyone have a working link for the funcube report on bbc 1 breakfast show?
[16:39] <gonzo_> it won;t be avail till after broadcast. Which is Monday (according to the amsat uk site)
[16:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah ok thanks
[16:40] <gonzo_> the eagle2 ($50sat) should be a good one for the HAB trackers. 70cm fsk rtty
[16:41] <x-f> is it still alive?
[16:41] <x-f> FSK means 1200 baud? the doc doesn't say
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[16:42] <x-f> i couldn't find its signal in the provided sample recording, only CW
[16:43] <mattbrejza> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l3919wtfiywk2gf/-HxyXNsIr8
[16:43] <x-f> yes, that
[16:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats the current freq for sp3osj?
[16:46] <jcoxon> Upu and i were worried about temperature for the $50sat
[16:46] <jcoxon> due to its RFM22b
[16:46] <UpuWork> is it still working ?
[16:47] <x-f> :)
[16:47] <gonzo_> it's a low budget launch. And low budget on the info!
[16:47] <jcoxon> oh wow
[16:47] <jcoxon> its UKHAS standard
[16:47] <jcoxon> didn't realise that
[16:47] <jcoxon> well its nmea but thats good enough
[16:48] <x-f> Upu, that transatlantic RFM will be a pico-level flight or high altitude?
[16:48] <UpuWork> high altitute
[16:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ whats the current dial freq for your balloon?
[16:48] <x-f> cool
[16:48] <UpuWork> but I switched the crystals out on both transmitters this morning
[16:49] <jcoxon> so has anyone heard 50SAT?
[16:50] <gonzo_> only just seen the launch announcement]
[16:54] <gonzo_> if someone were to put up a flight doc for $50sat, we could see if any hab people hear it
[16:54] <jcoxon> exactly
[16:55] <jcoxon> i'm running the pre-recorded to see how the data comes
[16:55] <gonzo_> hopefully their gps will work at over 500km/hr and 18km !
[16:56] <gonzo_> 2012 for the next funcube pass. And assume the predictions will also be ok for $50
[16:57] <jcoxon> hmmm no rtty on the pre-recorded mp3
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[16:58] <SP3OSJ> 437.701.5
[16:59] <SP3OSJ> Balloon for the Iron Curtain (end of the Cold War)
[17:01] <jcoxon> gonzo_, i think if we can get a decode we can then add a flight doc
[17:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks :-)
[17:03] <gonzo_> the docs don't actually spec the rtty packet payload. So we will prob be guessing.
[17:04] <mattbrejza> appears to be no gps though
[17:04] <gonzo_> but thinking about it, I doubt that will be gps fields
[17:04] <gonzo_> snap#
[17:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ is it 310hz shift atm?
[17:04] <jcoxon> so the Plan13 library for the arduino has a nice feature designed for cubesats etc
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[17:05] <jcoxon> so instead of flying the GPS, you get the cubesat to predict its position using its own TLE data
[17:05] <jcoxon> as long as it has a time
[17:05] <jcoxon> just as if you were using gpredict
[17:05] <jcoxon> you could then get it to downlink its pseudo position as if it had a gps
[17:06] <gonzo_> strating to sound a bit incectious
[17:06] <gonzo_> incestious
[17:07] <jcoxon> i also suspect that if they are doing rtty on an rfm22b they have looked at the ukhas wiki at some point
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[17:10] <jcoxon> its all very cool
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> Do you calculate the position from doppler on the ground and reupload it the position?
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[17:12] <SpeedEvil> Someone should add 'satellites' to the topic
[17:13] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, you'd just upload the TLE (keplerian elements)
[17:13] <jcoxon> so thats just 2 strings
[17:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Was someone asking for the telelmetry format for $50sat ?
[17:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> its on the pdf https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l3919wtfiywk2gf/nt6RJ8mVwe/%2450SAT%20-%20Eagle2%20-%20Communications%20-%20Release%20Version%20V1_0.pdf
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[17:14] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE, we were wondering if we could add it to spacenear.us
[17:14] <jcoxon> yeah i've seen that
[17:14] <jcoxon> don't actually say teh baud rate (at least i couldn't find it)
[17:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> it looks very HAb doesn't it!
[17:15] <jcoxon> i was going to wait till someone posted a decode or recording
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> The predictor will need to be fairly massively updated to cope with calculating drag and reentry though.
[17:16] <adamgreig> :P
[17:17] <gonzo_> it says NMEA style formatting, but I don'tb think that will actually be lat/lon data. Just telemetry in a CSV format
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[17:18] <SP3OSJ> no, shift is: 470Hz
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[17:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ ok must be something else i see then
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[17:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Guys
[17:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Has anyone had experience with the uBlox Max7 and TinyGPS?
[17:44] <mattbrejza> "Tiny"-GPS
[17:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> It'a an Arduino library
[17:45] <eroomde> yes we know of it
[17:45] <eroomde> it's the cause of many a cry for help
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[17:46] <eroomde> i'm going to do my usual bit about not using arduino libraries and just learnign to use sscanf instead
[17:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, Andy has been helping me with my new NTX board. We have assertained that the GPS is outputting properly but TinyGPS isn't parseing the NMEA strings
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[17:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well Ed, I don't mind that. At least I'll learn loads on the way!
[17:48] <eroomde> So sscanf is a nice tool that essentially lets you take a string and split it up and put the split up values into variables
[17:48] <eroomde> so in principle, something like
[17:48] <mattbrejza> or do what i did and not know of scanf's exsitance and just code the parser from scratch, all youre doing is looping and looking for ','s, and copying strings about
[17:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm just glad my hardware is woring how it should. Apart from me wiring the NTX2b to the wrong AVR pin
[17:50] <eroomde> yes, you can definitely certainly do it from scratch too
[17:50] <eroomde> and it'd probably be lighter and possibly more secure
[17:50] <mattbrejza> well providing you wired it to an output the ntx2b should work fine
[17:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, I've had about enough today so I'll resume at a later time. I will be asking LOTS of questions LOL
[17:50] <eroomde> looking for commans and using atoi() and other friends
[17:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh the NTX thing is sorted. I've modified the circuit
[17:51] <eroomde> if you ever want to take 'Learn C The Hard Way' there's an exercise in which you write your own version of sscanf
[17:51] <eroomde> which is very instructive
[17:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maybe one day ;-)
[17:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh phone - brb
[17:52] <mattbrejza> what had you wired it to? :/
[17:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> non-pwm [pin
[17:52] <mattbrejza> also micros with remappable pins ftw
[17:52] <mattbrejza> oh i see that makes more sense
[17:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> fixed for next board rev
[17:52] <eroomde> there's always a v2
[17:52] <eroomde> :)
[17:53] <mfa298> I did the same approach as mattbrejza by parsing the string manually looking for commas, partly as most C teaching I've seen teach you scanf in lecture 2, then tell you never to use it in lecture 3 due to the likely hood of buffer overflows that way.
[17:54] <mattbrejza> i think its almost home time, i have a new tracker to test to see if it gets lock
[17:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> YAY
[17:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> That was the idea of the first board, to check it out and iron out the kinks
[17:55] <arko> mornin
[17:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hiya Arko!
[17:56] <eroomde> greetings arko mnarko
[17:57] <arko> yoyo
[17:57] <arko> whats crakin
[17:57] <arko> oh wait brb coffee
[17:57] <arko> i'll make more sense if i get coffee
[17:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[17:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Coffee, life medicine
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[18:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah ha! Dinner has arrived - Be back later folks
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[18:28] <arko> LeoBodnar: you around?
[18:28] <arko> LeoBodnar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl8Iby4AuWc and http://www.pilotballoon.com/hydrogen.htm
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[19:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> ping eroomde
[19:07] <DJ3AK> SP3OSJ-Balloon good sig here now.
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[19:07] <Reb-SM3ULC> adamgreig: (about fiber..). yes it is pretty ok solution. very popular to build such networks in sweden. often the local municipality owns the dark fiber and then hire a company to run the open network.
[19:08] <DJ3AK> $$SP3OSJ,1063,190727,53.615520,13.334650,4786,-10,11,281.47,1.35,0.00*5349
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[19:11] <x-f> very nice, DJ3AK :)
[19:12] <x-f> DL1SGP1, you're in range too
[19:12] <DL1SGP1> I guess so :)
[19:12] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
[19:13] <DL1SGP> but I have no directional equipment like DJ3AK available right now, it is bound to duties for stuff that is flying a bit higher
[19:14] <x-f> a-ha, sat hunting
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[19:15] <fsphil> did someone mention an rfm22b in orbit?
[19:15] <DL1SGP> yes fsphil
[19:15] <x-f> yes, apparently it is still going
[19:16] <DJ3AK> so many new sats... it makes you fuzzy
[19:16] <craag> x-f: Still going sideways on waterfalls? :P
[19:16] <DL1SGP> DJ3AK, can you give me your current tune frequency and the offset please?
[19:17] <x-f> i don't know, my radio is remote and off this week :(
[19:20] <mfa298> maybe if you're really lucky the rfm22b drift will go in the opposite direction to the doppler
[19:20] <DJ3AK> yes, 437.702 usb offset 700/1170 Hz
[19:20] <DL1SGP> dankeschoen
[19:23] <DJ3AK> null problemo :-))
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[19:26] <fsphil> I must have a listen for that one
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[19:48] <nats`> what are the prediction for SP3OSJ ?
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[19:49] <DL7AD> evening
[19:49] <nats`> hi
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[19:52] <SP3OSJ> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/158592_trj001.gif
[19:52] <nats`> wow I should have it tonight :)
[19:52] <nats`> is it dominoex ?
[19:53] <SP3OSJ> RTTY 100/470/7n2
[19:53] <nats`> Oky I'll put the setup during the night if it comes by me :)
[19:53] <nats`> I'm near paris and the antenna face south :)
[19:54] <x-f> nats`, that's tomorrow
[19:54] <nats`> tomorrow ?
[19:55] <x-f> tomorrow
[19:55] <SP3OSJ> In Paris will be tomorrow at 22-24
[19:55] <nats`> ohh oky :)
[19:56] <SP3OSJ> frequency ~437.700.0MHz
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> hello!
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[19:59] <DL1SGP> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander
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[20:00] <S_Mark> Hello
[20:01] <DL1SGP> Hi S_Mark
[20:01] <S_Mark> We might have to cancel STRATODEAN Three
[20:01] <nats`> SP3OSJ I will be up :)
[20:01] <S_Mark> Because we have not been issued a NOTAM.....!
[20:01] <nats`> :\
[20:01] <S_Mark> we have been given permission and we have the form that says we have permission
[20:02] <S_Mark> but no notam has been issued by CAA
[20:02] <SP3OSJ> NAT tomorrow up your ears!
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL1SGP hey S_Mark
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[20:03] <nats`> ? I understood
[20:03] <nats`> that's why I said WILL
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[20:10] <DL7AD> is leo going to launch a balloon this evening?
[20:12] <Upu> http://www.ask8ball.net/
[20:12] <Upu> "My sources say no"
[20:13] <Willdude123> /join #bitcoin
[20:13] <Willdude123> oops
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[20:14] <Willdude123> At what? My failure to use IRC or at BTC?
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[20:17] <Upu> both
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> evening Anthony
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> today discovered something
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> Atmega328P struggles at 2 I2C devices and 2 software serials simultaneously
[20:18] <Willdude123> Upu: BTC isn't too bad, it gets a lot of bad press when it's actually fundamentally a good idea
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> one softserial and 2 I2C however work
[20:19] <Upu> software serial isn't very good
[20:19] <Upu> use the 1280 based boards if you want more serial ports
[20:19] Nick change: Vostok_ -> Vostok
[20:22] Action: mfa298 isn't that convinced by bitcoin.
[20:23] <mfa298> I suspect the only way to make any real legal money now is to buy bitcoins and hope their price rises.
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, yeah
[20:25] <Willdude123> I had some worth around £20
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> (that is no arduino, that is a protoboard with an atmega)
[20:25] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: verwendest du einen quartz?
[20:25] <Willdude123> My mum was uncomfortable with it so I sold them
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> ja, 8 MHz
[20:25] <Willdude123> They'd be worth around £100 now
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> 3.3V-betrieb
[20:25] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: sollte funktionieren
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[20:25] <jedas> same here :) ran FPGA dev-board for 2 weeks few years ago. no it's worth 160 eu :)
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> thing is, the geiger is on SoftSerial 1, Openlog on Serial 2, I2C are BMP085 and HIH-6121, the BMP readings are way off if all of them are connected and programmed
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> if I remove the Openlog serial, all runs well
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> I'll look at interrupt detection for the geiger
[20:27] <gonzo_> anyone get $50sat?
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[20:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ very weak traces of SP3OSJ now
[20:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyone fancy giving me a hand with some 'C'
[20:38] <SP3OSJ> You are in front of a blue circle. I do nothing
[20:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well in case anyone wats to look.... http://pastebin.com/2GDkALTe I'm trying to grab a GPS sentence. All I'm getting is the "$" characters and newlines.
[20:41] <mfa298> Steve_G0TDJ: you should be able to replace you're if (inChar=36) with if (inChar='$') which makes it more readable
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[20:42] <mfa298> note that's single quotes ' not double quotes "
[20:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> I tried that, it complained that it wasn't an integer
[20:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah!
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> DL7AD, I used the Openlog because the code of mine was 28 KB of 32 KB when using the SD library
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> so I was a bit worried about that
[20:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thank you, that'[s one mystery solved
[20:43] <mfa298> double quotes are for strings so will "$" will actually be two bytes $ and NULL
[20:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[20:43] <mfa298> single quotes are for a character
[20:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool... Any idea why I'm just getting
[20:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> $
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[20:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> I thought I was understanding the flow correctly
[20:44] <Upu> replace if with while
[20:44] <Upu> while(index < 70)
[20:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Which one Anthony?
[20:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right
[20:45] <Upu> but
[20:45] <Upu> put some sanity checking in
[20:45] <Upu> don't sit in the loop forever
[20:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> Like?
[20:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> while (index <70)
[20:45] <Upu> yes but what if nothing then reads in
[20:45] <Upu> you're stuck
[20:45] <mfa298> while( index<70) should provide a decent check
[20:45] <Upu> best not take programming advice of me
[20:46] <mfa298> index is incremented inside that loop with index++
[20:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good point but I'll see what happens for now
[20:46] <mfa298> although it's possible it could hang on the inchar=serial.read() at line 11
[20:46] <DL7AD> good night
[20:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> So I should put that and the following line outside the while
[20:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> GN
[20:47] <mfa298> I'd leave most of it as is for now, just change that if to a while
[20:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> mfa298: http://pastebin.com/H35casMp This is what it looks like now
[20:48] <mfa298> You could simplify the gpsstring[index] = inChar; index++; if you wanted to:
[20:48] <mfa298> gpsstring[index++] = inChar
[20:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> Neat
[20:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> I@ll try that out
[20:49] <mfa298> I think you want something in the middle of the two versions.
[20:50] <mfa298> with your code as it is currenly the gpsstring[index] and index++ lines need to go together
[20:50] <mfa298> although the gpsstring[index] = '\n'; should probably be outside of the loop
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[20:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well it's not outputting anything now. OK
[20:50] <mfa298> and you want \0 not \n (\n is newline, \0 is NULL)
[20:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> I wanted a newline
[20:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> So each sentence would be on a newline
[20:51] <mfa298> you might need another condition in there as well as you want to exit the loop when you hit the \n on the end of the string
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[20:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> Wierd signal
[20:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's just sending the occasional $ character
[20:56] <mfa298> what does the current code look like
[20:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> http://pastebin.com/Cjy7fuRQ
[20:57] <mfa298> github gists might work better with various revisions (especially as things get bigger) as it can show you what's changed
[20:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK I'll sign up later
[20:59] <mfa298> the main github is also good for a full set of files - especially if you get into the mentality of commit often - as it means you can see what changed when things broke
[20:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good oh.
[21:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> THis code is just giving $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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[21:01] <mfa298> can't spot anything obviously wrong in that
[21:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> No nor can I
[21:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Check for a $ character, if it isn't reset index and check again
[21:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> If it is, store it and then store the next 70 chars
[21:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> reset the index and transmit the saved string
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[21:04] <mfa298> just checking the serial.read docs, you might need to add another serial.available in the inner loop.
[21:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers
[21:05] <mfa298> alternativly you could check the response from the second serial.read
[21:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> In what way?
[21:06] <mfa298> reason being serial.read will return -1 if no data is available, so it's possible you're filling the string before the second character is ready
[21:06] <mfa298> according to http://arduino.cc/en/Serial/Read serial.read will return -1 if no data is ready.
[21:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK So I can do a check for that
[21:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> What's not equal to?
[21:08] <mfa298> so you want to loop until suitable data is available.
[21:08] <mfa298> !=
[21:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers
[21:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> http://pastebin.com/98c9LC3E
[21:10] <mfa298> that looks like it might work
[21:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looking good but some of the strings are not newlining.
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[21:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> It is at least checksumming for the first time
[21:12] <mfa298> that's probably because currently you're only testing for 70 characters.
[21:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK, needs more?
[21:12] <mfa298> so a string could contain a string and a bit. then when you send it you'll then be waiting for the beginning of the next string
[21:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> So I'll need to check for the * next
[21:14] <mfa298> or the \n at the end of the sentence
[21:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[21:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> It can wait, my brain is fried already LOL
[21:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> I appreciate your help though, Mike isnt it?
[21:15] <mfa298> this is something I wrote for Matt about a month ago as a demonstration of using a state machine to read in GPS (it's designed for a Linux/Windows PC rather than arduino but should make sense) https://gist.github.com/m1ari/6954557
[21:15] <mfa298> yes it's Mike
[21:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll take a look
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[21:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> What's the || mean?
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[21:17] <mfa298> for reading gps the way you've started is probably easier overall, state machines are good when you've got various different states to move around.
[21:17] <mfa298> || is an OR
[21:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Cheers. Yes, I'm vaguely aware of the case and also switch
[21:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> I think I need to find a basic 'C' book and start from the beginning
[21:19] <mfa298> the learn C the hardway course (which I think Ed mentioned earlier) looks to be fairly decent. although it probably works better on a PC rather than arduino
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[21:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sounds right up my street LOL
[21:19] <DL1SGP> hi Steve_G0TDJ
[21:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Felix :-)
[21:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just trying to learn a little 'C' and get my GPS strings
[21:21] <DL1SGP> sweet
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander__> damn, my router is pulling on my nerves
[21:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Tough is what it is Felix
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[21:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyway, I'm going to go and get a cuppa. Brain oil LOL
[21:22] <mfa298> once you understand how some of the C bits work it's not too bad, You just have to remember it doesn't do a lot of hand holding so you have to check things regul
[21:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> brb
[21:22] <DL1SGP> enjoy Stebe
[21:22] <DL1SGP> *Steve
[21:22] <mfa298> ...check things regularly
[21:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes Mike, nakes sense
[21:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> makes
[21:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> TEA!
[21:23] <mfa298> bit late for Tea isn't it? More like Beer O'Clock
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander__> ROUTER!
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[21:27] Action: DL1SGP nods in agreement to mfa298's statement
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[21:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> 'Tea - Earl Grey - Hot'
[21:38] <Laurenceb__> hi all
[21:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi
[21:39] <Laurenceb__> Dove3_henry: I was thinking about that solar thermal cubesat idea today, its probably not too sane - colloidal thrusters are easier and better
[21:39] <mfa298> 'Beer - Ale - Cold'
[21:40] <PE0SAT> Steve_G0TDJ: Yes, nothing else
[21:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh good, another tea drinker :-)
[21:40] <PE0SAT> And Startrek Fan
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[21:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> Blimey, a trekkie too
[21:40] <Laurenceb__> enough with the trekkiness
[21:41] <mfa298> I'd agree with the 'Tea - Earl Grey - Hot' but not at beer time :p
[21:41] <Laurenceb__> we aren't _that_ sad here
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[21:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm a HABBer not a trekkie!
[21:42] <PE0SAT> Respect
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[21:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> ;-)
[21:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, I've installed Git Mike
[21:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not very intuative is it...
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[21:49] <mfa298> I use it on Linux and it's as intuitive as other similar tools
[21:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL... Yeah OK
[21:53] <nats`> Steve_G0TDJ first time with those kind of source control ?
[21:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes
[21:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just reading the help
[21:53] <nats`> oky reading the help will not help at first
[21:53] <nats`> just train with basic command
[21:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL, pretty typical
[21:53] <nats`> clone commit push
[21:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Clone?
[21:53] <nats`> and if possible from more than one computer
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[21:54] <mfa298> clone copies a repositry from somewhere else
[21:54] <nats`> git clone copy a repository to local
[21:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[21:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> So I have some code, how do I 'commit'; it?
[21:54] <nats`> because the main problem is to understand and feel that your local copy is a FULL repository
[21:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[21:55] <mfa298> for a local repositry you generally use "git init" first to set it up as a repositry
[21:55] <nats`> so the commit will be done on the local version
[21:55] <nats`> and if you want to "commit" your change on the remote versiopn you 'll need to push
[21:55] <nats`> and here the problem start :)
[21:55] <mfa298> then "git add <file>" to add a file for update, and "git commit" to commit the added files.
[21:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> I followed the instructions on the setup page and it bombed out
[21:56] <nats`> why are you trying to achieve ?
[21:56] <mfa298> was that on github ?
[21:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> I was in the command line shell on my PC
[21:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> It errored. Said the repository was alreay there
[21:56] <nats`> but what did you do ?
[21:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Instructions are on the webpage of my first git
[21:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> touch README.md
[21:57] <nats`> ohhhh :)
[21:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> git init
[21:57] <nats`> you try to create a github repo ?
[21:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> git add README.md
[21:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just following instrictions
[21:58] <mfa298> having "touch README.md" sounds like you've got some Linux instructions
[21:59] <nats`> touch exists on windows I think
[21:59] <mfa298> one of the windows GUI's linked from http://git-scm.com/downloads/guis might make things easier
[21:59] <mfa298> nats`: not on my win8 Pro install
[22:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> http://i.imgur.com/ETTK24z.jpg
[22:00] <nats`> uhhmm maybe I polluted my shell with linux command
[22:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have the GitHub app for windows running
[22:00] <mfa298> if you installed cygwin you might have linux tools available.
[22:01] <nats`> git for windows do that too if you tell him
[22:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's a white dui with a nice drop shadow
[22:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> gui
[22:01] <mfa298> Steve_G0TDJ: is that the one from http://windows.github.com/ ?
[22:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep
[22:02] <mfa298> just downloaded it to have a look
[22:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[22:04] <mfa298> next I'll end up installing a set of compilers on Windows (which might end up with VB)
[22:04] <nats`> oO
[22:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL It's OK. I'll work it out......
[22:04] <nats`> advice don't play with branch at first :)
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[22:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[22:04] <nats`> there are some way to totally fuck your repo
[22:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Heck, All I want to do is upload some code :D
[22:05] <mfa298> I think Matt has been using git on windows so might be able to help if you cant work it out
[22:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> ibanezmatt?
[22:05] <mfa298> yeah
[22:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool
[22:05] <nats`> I'm using it on windows :)$
[22:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK nats` How do I add my code?
[22:06] <nats`> IIRC you have a button on github to create a repo
[22:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Done that
[22:06] <nats`> ok so now open git gui
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[22:07] <nats`> and select clone repository
[22:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Done that
[22:07] <nats`> you already cloned the repo ?
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[22:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> https://github.com/ProjectHAB/VAYU-NTX
[22:07] <nats`> oky now go in the directory and create a file :D
[22:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> I copied one over
[22:08] <nats`> right click on it and do git commit
[22:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Where do I type the git commit?
[22:08] <nats`> on the left
[22:08] <nats`> you don't type :)
[22:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh, commit to master
[22:08] <nats`> you should have it in the contextual menu
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[22:09] <nats`> on the left you have two case
[22:09] <nats`> the top one is new file don't added in the next commit
[22:09] <nats`> to add them click on it twice
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[22:09] <nats`> my bad click once but on the icon left of the name
[22:09] <nats`> they will go on the case under
[22:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> I think I've managed it
[22:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, it's online
[22:10] <nats`> but now you'll need to push :)
[22:10] <nats`> oky great :)
[22:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> I did a Sync
[22:10] <nats`> or and that's a tips
[22:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> It seemd logical
[22:10] <nats`> if you plan to use only github
[22:10] <nats`> download the github application
[22:10] <mfa298> looks like you've uploaded a file :D
[22:10] <nats`> they did a cool and easy overlay
[22:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thats what I'm running
[22:11] <nats`> you should have said it :D
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[22:11] <nats`> I thought you were using git for windows
[22:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Oh, is it different?
[22:11] <nats`> yep totally
[22:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll do a screen shot
[22:11] <nats`> github tool hide a lot from git layout
[22:11] <nats`> it's easier to use without all those hard part in git for people who don't want to spend more time mastering git than coding
[22:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> http://i.imgur.com/zs9pOAP.jpg
[22:13] <nats`> yep I use it for github
[22:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
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[22:13] <nats`> but you have many other git service which don't have github style app
[22:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll start with this one and see how I get on
[22:14] <nats`> if you don't plan to use advanced feature of git don't worry that will be enough
[22:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, I'll probably be scratching the sirface
[22:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> surface
[22:15] <nats`> to be honnest git mercurial and other "advanced" source control are usefull for team work
[22:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyhow, enogh scratching for today, I have a busy day tomorrow so I'll call it a night
[22:15] <nats`> but alone you can use 1/10000 of features
[22:15] <nats`> good night :)
[22:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thank you for your help nats` mfa298
[22:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> And anyone else who chipped in
[22:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good Night All :-)
[22:16] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ -> Steve_G0TDJ_AFK
[22:16] <mfa298> a lot of the features get useful for bigger projects, but for small stuff the standard commit/push is enough.
[22:16] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> OK Seeya!
[22:16] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> ..
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[22:23] <uu4jlm_Valeryi_> Hi all, does not open the program dl-fldigi, Win XP sp3 ??? :(
[22:24] <mfa298> uu4jlm_Valeryi_: it should work, I've used it on XP SP3 in the past
[22:24] <DL1SGP> check if you computer is running a process called "FixCamera.exe" through the taskmgr if that is the case terminate that process and try running dl-fldigi agn
[22:25] <uu4jlm_Valeryi_> On another computer, everything is normal
[22:28] <mfa298> if it's worked in the past it could be worth removing the setting folder in case there's something corrupt in there
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[22:38] <uu4jlm_Valeryi_> Yes it is not clear, after reinstalling the operating system and not open it?
[22:39] <mfa298> not sure, I've not really used XP for a number of years, best option might be to upgrade to something with a support life >3 months
[22:41] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
[22:42] <uu4jlm_Valeryi_> Clearly, tomorrow I will continue to try, to work EEERS 90aE :)
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[22:43] <uu4jlm_Valeryi_>  !-900AX
[22:43] <uu4jlm_Valeryi_> 73! All :)
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[22:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ im getting a few green ones now
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[22:57] <jcoxon_> OZ1SKY_Brian, wow good range
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[22:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah its -0.5deg elevation
[23:03] <bertrik> I hope it's in range of the netherlands by tomorrow morning
[23:03] <Laurenceb__> what is Km: 467.42 ?
[23:03] <jcoxon_> distance from launch
[23:03] <Laurenceb__> ah neat
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[23:05] <SP3OSJ> My balloon: http://s21.postimg.org/z1anuo8w7/shadow.jpg
[23:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wondering about that read dot on the czech/polish border?
[23:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ got a few green here now
[23:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> read=red
[23:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> on the tracker page
[23:07] <Laurenceb__> wow what??
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[23:07] <Laurenceb__> SP3OSJ: google took photo at time of launch?
[23:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> reloaded the page and the red dot is gone, hhhmmmm
[23:08] <Laurenceb__> looks like a parafoil to me?
[23:09] <SP3OSJ> :)
[23:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> this is what i mean http://imgur.com/6CK89Of
[23:11] <SP3OSJ> Airport Pila only Boeings
[23:11] <DL1SGP> finally getting some signal from it as well geez it was driving me nuts
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[23:15] <fsphil> where is the funcube sat at the moment?
[23:16] <DL1SGP> approaching western north africa
[23:17] <fsphil> yay, gpredict working on my desktop
[23:17] <DL1SGP> I do not use the latest latest tle :D
[23:17] <fsphil> me neither :)
[23:17] <DL1SGP> but it gives you the idea
[23:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Just south of Sierra Leone
[23:17] <fsphil> think I got the receiver working
[23:21] <SP3OSJ> This is a picture of a balloon at the border Poland-Germany: http://s22.postimg.org/drkyyiua9/fly2.jpg
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[23:23] <bertrik> I'm hoping to decode some more funcube-1 frames in the coming minutes :)
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[23:25] <DL1SGP> good luck bertrik
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[23:28] <Reb-SM3ULC> Simple dipol enough to hear funcube?
[23:29] <bertrik> Reb-SM3ULC: we use a discone :)
[23:30] <bertrik> probably not optimal, but it works to decode at least a couple of frames per pass
[23:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> bertrik: ah, ok, i should try to get my antenna up on the roof then
[23:31] <fsphil> I see the signal on my colinear but no decodes
[23:33] <fsphil> woo, one frame
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[23:34] <SP3OSJ> OZ1SKY wow!
[23:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Your transmitter is wow :-)
[23:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Are you sure its not carrying a GS35 tube? :-)
[23:36] <SP3OSJ> Brian: What is your antenna? tracker is: the j-pole (reversed)
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[23:36] <fsphil> got two frames
[23:36] <fsphil> and that's it on low power
[23:36] <fsphil> quite neat
[23:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> nice
[23:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ im using a comet gp-9
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[23:38] <SP3OSJ> OZ1SKY: You live on a mountain?
[23:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ no, 89m asgl
[23:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> asl
[23:39] <SP3OSJ> hm!
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[23:39] <bertrik> ooh, nice trajectory from SP3OSJ, should bring it really close to our tracker
[23:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ Denmark is flat is a pancake, no mountains here, only a few speed bumps :-)
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[23:40] <bertrik> SP3OSJ: do you have a photo of the payload antenna?
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[23:41] <SP3OSJ> Thingojvej street
[23:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ Highest natural point in Denmarks is only 171m asl :-)
[23:41] <bertrik> and what kind of balloon are you using?
[23:42] <SP3OSJ> qalatex silver 36" (standard)
[23:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP3OSJ yes that is correct
[23:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> "vej" = street
[23:42] <DL1SGP> I gonna give up on that balloon
[23:44] <fsphil> ah nice job decoding that
[23:45] <SP3OSJ> http://postimg.org/image/dsvk8z23v/
[23:46] <PE2G> DL1SGP: Signal too weak?
[23:46] <SP3OSJ> http://s13.postimg.org/3jz1jyx6f/image.jpg
[23:47] <SP3OSJ> http://s11.postimg.org/mtxx7n4mr/image.jpg
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[23:48] <SP3OSJ> and http://s24.postimg.org/n967ihlx1/image.jpg
[23:49] <DL1SGP> I would not say that it is weak, rather unstable for me, dropping out for a tiny bit which causes one wrong char and taht is enough to screw up the checksum match.
[23:49] <DL1SGP> like in $$SP3OSJ,1511,23Z:53l53.55138x,18.448730,4812~-11,8,51x.83,1.33,0.00*7C26
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[23:50] <PE2G> Thanks for the info DL1SGP. What's the current dial pls?
[23:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 437.701.7 @1250Hz here
[23:51] <SP3OSJ> DL1SGP: Slide mustache FLdigi - (Configure / Modems / RTTY / slider at the bottom (F-WPM) = 250-300Hz)
[23:52] <SP3OSJ> f250-300Hz i AFC good job
[23:53] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: Thanks. rx traces now
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