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[00:28] <DL7AD> good morning
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[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL7AD
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> how's things?
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[05:37] <DL7AD___> morning
[05:37] Nick change: DL7AD___ -> DL7AD
[05:37] <DL7AD> omg
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[07:26] <Maxell> FUNcube-1 in space
[07:26] <Maxell> batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=3&id=1227
[07:27] <x-f> aww, i forgot about the launch
[07:27] <gonzo_> funcube just separated
[07:27] <Maxell> Clips from the acctual sat launch will be later today
[07:27] <gonzo_> can hear wouter's voice there
[07:28] <Maxell> spaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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[07:32] <SP3OSJ> Hi, Do you know where the old: http://spacenear.us/tracker/ ?????
[07:33] <SP3OSJ> oldis of goldis
[07:33] <x-f> http://spacenear.us/tracker/fullscreen.php
[07:33] <x-f> but it might not work for you
[07:34] <SP3OSJ> what?
[07:35] <SP3OSJ> Old is good, not new
[07:35] <x-f> google broke something since yesterday, so it might not work for you, hence the redirect to mobile tracker
[07:36] <x-f> if it does work, congratulations, you can still use it
[07:36] <SP3OSJ> when it will be OK?
[07:37] <x-f> not sure, maybe tonight, maybe next week
[07:37] <SP3OSJ> Page http://spacenear.us/tracker/fullscreen.php is OK, but I do not know whether live
[07:37] <x-f> it is live
[07:38] <SP3OSJ> ok thanks
[07:40] <x-f> you're welcome
[07:41] Nick change: PB1DFT -> Terence
[07:41] <x-f> Funcube-1 heard in South Africa, data comming in warehouse - https://warehouse.funcube.org.uk/
[07:46] <gonzo_> they all seem very happy with the telem values
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[07:58] <DL7AD> morning
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[08:06] <fsphil> batc struggling? seems choppy
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[08:11] <arko> lots of people i seems
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[08:11] <arko> its unwatchable here
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[08:13] <daveake> I'm sure we had lots more viewers for some previous launches where batc managed just fine
[08:14] <fsphil> probably the internet at the site
[08:14] <daveake> seems likely
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[08:22] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
[08:22] <DL1SGP> morning
[08:24] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: guten morgen
[08:25] <DL7AD> ein neuer ballon floatet grad durch meine wohnung :)
[08:26] <DL1SGP> dann wuensche ich ihm viel spass dabei
[08:27] <DL1SGP> ich geh nun fruehstuecken, bis dann
[08:27] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: guten hunger. ich geh auch gleich essen
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[08:43] <ibanezmatt13> right I've just cut the connector off a 12v ac adapter and I can't work out which of the two wires is the + and -
[08:43] <fsphil> use that multimeter you should have by now
[08:43] <ibanezmatt13> one of them is black, the other is black with very faint grey dashes on
[08:44] <ibanezmatt13> oh yes of course
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[08:44] <ibanezmatt13> will I not die if I plug it into the mains
[08:44] <fsphil> it's 12v end isn't it?
[08:44] <ibanezmatt13> yes
[08:44] <ibanezmatt13> should be ok then
[08:44] <ibanezmatt13> mains scares me
[08:44] <fsphil> me too
[08:45] Nick change: bowkis -> number10
[08:45] <ibanezmatt13> please don't say that :P
[08:46] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[08:46] <gonzo_> funcube should be up over the uk in a min or so
[08:47] <Darkside> er
[08:47] <Darkside> isnt that tomorrow night
[08:47] <fsphil> it's in orbit :)
[08:47] <Darkside> shiiiiiit
[08:47] <Darkside> did i screw up the dates
[08:47] <fsphil> hehe, they're receiving it in bletchley park now
[08:48] <fsphil> low pass
[08:48] <fsphil> my fcd at home is messing up again
[08:48] <LazyLeopard> That'd have been the announcements talking about Tuesday and Wednesday, and not necessarily being clear about the timezones...
[08:50] <LazyLeopard> ...added to the launch being close to UTC midnight.
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[09:00] <gonzo_> tx power currently at 18.7mW nice!
[09:00] <nats`> ?
[09:02] <kokey> who's doing funcube?
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[09:03] <PB0NER> kokey: what do you mean by 'who is doing'?
[09:03] <kokey> as in who put it together
[09:05] <PB0NER> there is a funcube-1 channel -> '/join #funcube-1'
[09:06] <LeoBodnar> ping arko
[09:07] <PB0NER> I'm monitoring that channel mainly
[09:07] <kokey> PB0NER: cool, thank you
[09:10] <fsphil> there are other channels? lies!
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[09:12] <PB0NER> not sure, wouter PA3WEG 'opened' #funcube-1 this morning
[09:13] <PB0NER> so it seems the 'official' one to me. as the whiole Funcube team seems to be there
[09:15] <DL1SGP> lol fsphil
[09:16] <gonzo_> heard mention of it leak out earlier on the batc feed.
[09:16] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[09:16] <PB0NER> http://www.delfispace.nl/operations/delfi-c-latest-received-frame
[09:16] <PB0NER> seems doing something
[09:18] <DL1SGP> as there is nothing floating around me I gonna prepare the station for Funcube-Fun now :)
[09:18] <fsphil> shame they didn't put a ukhas beacon on there :)
[09:19] <fsphil> clearly don't know what they're doing
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[09:55] <ibanezmatt13> Hey Steve_G0TDJ
[09:55] <ibanezmatt13> http://sdrv.ms/1e2jl9x
[09:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> Morning Matt
[09:56] <ibanezmatt13> My latest pointless project :)
[09:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Wossat?
[09:56] <ibanezmatt13> Nice big LED strip controlled by my Arduino
[09:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Coolio :-)
[09:56] <ibanezmatt13> got it fading between colours
[09:57] <ibanezmatt13> first time I've used some high power transistors and the mains :)
[09:57] <ibanezmatt13> well, not really the mains, but an AC adapter :P
[09:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice one. Won't be long before your first shock ;-)
[09:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh right'
[09:57] <ibanezmatt13> mm, hopefully not
[09:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, it's not as bad as you might think but be careful. Best not if you can
[09:58] <ibanezmatt13> well, it's the closest I'd like to go anyway. I didn't really want to use the adapter :P
[09:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've had my fiar share. Some were accidental, some were me being a peb
[09:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> pleb even
[09:59] <ibanezmatt13> lol, my Granddad got it once and it didn't trip out
[09:59] <fsphil> I've avoided it so far
[09:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, using the adaprot is a good thing
[09:59] <fsphil> but I tend to avoid working near mains
[09:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> adaptor, sorry, I'm not really awake. I was up until 2:00am editing images last might
[09:59] <fsphil> and am paranoid about making sure it's off compltely before I do
[09:59] <ibanezmatt13> adaprot sounds pretty cool :)
[09:59] <fsphil> adaprot should be a word if it isn't
[09:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have loads of Adaprots
[10:00] <ibanezmatt13> right, time to put this away before something happens
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK See you in a tick
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice work
[10:00] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[10:00] <fsphil> 12v can be dangerous too
[10:00] <ibanezmatt13> :/
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, depends on current
[10:00] <fsphil> but not at the currents you're using :)
[10:00] <ibanezmatt13> 2A?
[10:00] <ibanezmatt13> 1 sorry
[10:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Depends how it's administered *wicked evil laugh*
[10:01] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[10:01] <fsphil> well yea, normally handling that is fine
[10:01] <ibanezmatt13> cool, and if I short it
[10:01] <ibanezmatt13> KABOOM
[10:01] <fsphil> well you'd certainly get a little spark from the cable
[10:01] <fsphil> the psu might not like it either
[10:02] <ibanezmatt13> and seen as that is mains...
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just accept the fact the when you use electricity, you're going to have the occasinal issue. Just be as safe as you can and take things slowly.
[10:02] <fsphil> depends on the quality of the psu I guess
[10:02] <ibanezmatt13> yes, of course
[10:02] <fsphil> some chinese ones are rather unsafe
[10:02] <ibanezmatt13> "made in China"
[10:03] <daveake> Some chinese ones are unsafe just plugged in let alone shorted
[10:03] <fsphil> indeed
[10:03] Action: ibanezmatt13 steps away from socket
[10:03] <fsphil> but not all ibanezmatt13
[10:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL My friend bought a load of adaptors frmo china, 12 500ma - Half of them blow up when you switch them on
[10:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right, just gotta sort something out - brb
[10:04] <fsphil> my friend is using a chinese cloned apple charger
[10:04] <fsphil> I keep warning him about it
[10:04] <ibanezmatt13> off to college, back later :)
[10:04] <fsphil> enjoy
[10:05] <ibanezmatt13> shall do
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[10:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh, did Matt have to go.. I hope we didn't scare him too much!
[10:18] <mfa298> just wait until he plays with high power rf, thats more fun.
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Yes, the infamous RF burn *OUCH*
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[10:19] <mfa298> it's when you can feel the rf field coming off the linear at a couple of inches it get's interesting - (poor rf ground and long wire antenna)
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> I almost had my brain fried by microwaves once....
[10:20] <mfa298> that as close as I've got to an rf burn and was close enough.
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've had small RF burn, not nice
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'd rather have 240AV up my arm
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> 24V AC
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> DAMN
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> 240v AC!!!!!!
[10:21] <mfa298> having seen the effects of one person getting 240V AC up his arm I'm not sure I want either.
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[10:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> I used to service monitors for video games and early IBM PCs. They had a nice HT lines....
[10:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> All the really dangerous shocks I've had were a long time ago. Not sure if I'd survive one now. SO I don't mess with it.
[10:23] <mfa298> although I think that was on a high current system.
[10:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Frying tonight?
[10:23] <mfa298> that has to be at least one benefit of moving from CRT to LCD, you don't need such high voltages.
[10:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah
[10:23] <gonzo_> another funcube pass imminent
[10:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> I got zapped by a 36in screen once. Sent me across the room
[10:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> What freq gonzo_
[10:25] <mfa298> that incident where someone got lots of amps at 240V led to some good HSE stories. Was the Uni Nightclub, HSE apparently turned up that night to investigate and the Bouncers apparently tried to refuse them entry (until someone pointed out you had to let them in or they'de potentially shut the place down).
[10:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
[10:27] <gonzo_> around 145.930
[10:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Mode?
[10:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have a wierd noise on that freq.
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[10:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> GOt it I think
[10:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, definite doppler
[10:29] <Andrew_M6GTG> Yesssss.. telemetry received and uploaded to the warehouse!
[10:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well done Andy
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[10:30] <Andrew_M6GTG> immense signal here
[10:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Mode?
[10:31] <Andrew_M6GTG> SSB, it is a FSK signal, use their dashboard to decode
[10:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Fading now
[10:31] <Darkside> r
[10:31] <Darkside> its PSK
[10:31] <Darkside> 1200 baud BPSK
[10:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh PSK, I must tell my friend Lee
[10:32] <Andrew_M6GTG> sorry yes PSK ;-)
[10:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll have to see if I can get it on the next pass
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[10:33] <gonzo_> seen some great sigs on the waterfall
[10:33] <gonzo_> but could not get it tracked or any telem decode
[10:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> It was strong here. Even lifted my S meter.
[10:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> I need to dig my CAT cable out and have the PC track it for doppler
[10:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> FYI in case there's anyone wanting to know when it's overhead, I use: http://www.n2yo.com/?s=99991
[10:35] <fsphil> my FCD at home isn't talking to the PC. boo
[10:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Gah!
[10:35] <fsphil> or pulseaudio's messing up again
[10:35] <fsphil> not sure
[10:38] <Andrew_M6GTG> saw a loads of other signals, on adjacent frequencies some morse beacons, IQ saved for later processing!
[10:38] <DL1SGP> Funcube-1 was received nicely here :)
[10:38] <Andrew_M6GTG> DL1SGP: Saw you on the charts well done Felix
[10:39] <Andrew_M6GTG> 29 packets here from a discone in the loft, with a wet slate roof
[10:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice one Felix
[10:40] <fsphil> sounds like it's a lot easier to decode than the arissat-1 telemetry
[10:41] <DL1SGP> heh I was a bit unprepared but happy I got some data :)
[10:41] <Andrew_M6GTG> fsphil: they have a decent decoder called the 'dashboard' - still got bugs, it won't work with my dongle
[10:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> Did't arrisat have a problem with the antenna breaking of before launch?
[10:41] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: only the uplink one
[10:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh yeah, that was it
[10:42] <Andrew_M6GTG> people still got in to it ;-)
[10:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, I vaguely remember. I recieved a few bad images from it
[10:45] <fsphil> it was in a lower orbit
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[10:45] <fsphil> funcube should be up there for quite a bit longer
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[10:47] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25015030
[10:47] <Andrew_M6GTG> quite impressed with the dashboard, ended up having to use SDR# to create the audio with a wide USB filter, the application then tracked the signal nicely
[10:47] <Andrew_M6GTG> no need to doppler correct ;-)
[10:47] <craag> Do you need a yagi for it or is achievable on a collinear?
[10:48] <DL1SGP> craag purrfectly fine with collinear
[10:48] <Andrew_M6GTG> craag: I did it with discone, so a decent collinear would be fine
[10:48] <Darkside> err
[10:48] <Darkside> not ncssarily
[10:49] <Darkside> discone will RX better at high elevations
[10:49] <Andrew_M6GTG> obviously a steerable yagi would be better ;-)
[10:49] <Andrew_M6GTG> these passes over UK today are only at 30 degrees..
[10:49] <Darkside> mm
[10:49] <craag> My collinear is pretty meh. Should be fine!
[10:49] <Darkside> i have a 32 degre pass in about 2 hours
[10:50] <Darkside> but i have hills in th way
[10:50] <Darkside> seriously considering going for a drive
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[10:54] <gonzo_> I had excellent sigs on the yagi, but no trackling/prediction setup. Looke like I'm better prepared for the next pass (1159utc)
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[10:57] <Andrew_M6GTG> FUNCube-1 is running 300mW, explains the decent signal
[10:58] <x-f> shouldn't it be 10th of that in the first few days?
[10:58] <fsphil> yea I read it would be low power initially
[10:58] <gonzo_> next pass is a good one for the UK
[10:58] <fsphil> unless there was a software bug :)
[10:58] <Andrew_M6GTG> well thats what Amsat just posted on facebook
[10:58] <gonzo_> they were depating doing a switch, as the last pass faded
[10:59] <gonzo_> debating
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[11:00] <Andrew_M6GTG> checking my last received telemetry (*smug mode) it was 273.38mW forward, 45.48mW reverse
[11:01] <Darkside> ooh
[11:01] <Darkside> oh wait
[11:01] <Darkside> it'll go into low power mode for me
[11:01] <Darkside> as its night here
[11:01] <Darkside> but th transponder might b on
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[11:01] <Darkside> hm
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[11:12] <gonzo_> I predict they will leave it in telem mode for some time, whilst they commission it and get a feel for the power budget etc
[11:13] <eroomde> Dove3_henry: happy?
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[11:33] <Darkside> right, pickd a spot
[11:36] <Andrew_M6GTG> looking back at last pass, can see what looks like morse on the downlink frequency, running a CW beacon?
[11:44] <Darkside> nope
[11:44] <Darkside> screenshot?
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[11:46] <Andrew_M6GTG> http://t.co/yLvgzYzZRJ
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[11:48] <Andrew_M6GTG> unfortunately not at home, so cannot try to decode too fiddly to do remotely over VNC ;-)
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I notice that the snus tracker seems a lot happy this morning on Win7x64 & FF25.01 http://spacenear.us/tracker/fullscreen.php
[11:52] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE-M: Hmm works Chromium/30 on ubuntu too.
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I wonder if they have tweaked the wrapper ?
[11:54] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avbnkhvZrVo&feature=youtu.be
[11:54] <Laurenceb> so hawt
[11:56] <mfa298> snus seems better for me as well
[11:57] <mfa298> ff 25.0 on win8
[12:01] <Laurenceb> thats with basic framebuffer aiui
[12:07] <fsphil> Laurenceb: cool!
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[12:14] <DL7AD> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/electroninks/circuit-scribe-draw-circuits-instantly?ref=category
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[12:28] <Andrew_M6GTG> gonzo_: I spy you on the upload chart ;-)
[12:29] <Maxell> awww yeah FUNcube http://imgur.com/a/q0VCk
[12:29] <fsphil> nice signal
[12:30] <Maxell> yeah I recieved a packet that states 324 mW transmission power
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[12:31] <Andrew_M6GTG> Maxell: are you uploading them?
[12:32] <Maxell> not yet
[12:32] <Maxell> I can't access mail from work.
[12:32] <DutchMillbt> Hi Maxell what kind of antenna do you use
[12:32] <jedas> is old web tracker accessible somewhere (not mobile version) ?
[12:32] <fsphil> jedas: it should be back on the old one now
[12:32] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: Discone, ICOM AH-7000.
[12:33] <DutchMillbt> well nice signal preamp?
[12:33] <jedas> i see. ok
[12:33] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: the 2mtr/70cm vertical has HABamp
[12:33] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: nope, just bare-bone rtl-sdr R820T
[12:33] <fsphil> it was a temporary change, google had broken the v2 api
[12:33] <fsphil> they seem to have fixed the v2<>v3 interface
[12:34] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: Might be worth to think of something to bypass the HABamp
[12:34] <Maxell> because using the dualband vertial for one band is kinda bad :P
[12:34] <Maxell> and using discone for the rest is meh
[12:34] <DutchMillbt> oke thanks Maxell give it a try tomorrow
[12:35] <Maxell> have fun!
[12:35] <DutchMillbt> yep sats are fun too ;-)
[12:35] <DutchMillbt> is
[12:36] <Maxell> are
[12:36] <Maxell> best thing is that soon I can choose my callsign and start doing sats myself!
[12:37] <DutchMillbt> did you pass the last exam?
[12:37] <Maxell> yep
[12:37] <DutchMillbt> concat..
[12:37] <Maxell> next week I expect to get the news
[12:37] <PE2G> Congrats Maxell!
[12:37] <Maxell> but yeah, aready know I made it :P
[12:37] <Maxell> thnx PE2G
[12:37] <Maxell> I am on the dark side now
[12:38] <Maxell> what have you guyys done :(
[12:38] <DutchMillbt> your +/- 5 week in the dark..
[12:39] <DutchMillbt> PD4MAX?
[12:42] <gonzo_> Andrew_M6GTG, yep, I seem to have made it. Was getting excellent signals, but having probs trying to tune
[12:43] <Andrew_M6GTG> gonzo_: My dashboard got stuck and wouldn't aquire signal, thankfully I had recorded IQ file so was able to restart it and play it back to get data :-(
[12:48] <Darkside> hrm
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[12:49] <Darkside> so im going to record IQ data
[12:49] <Darkside> and have it demodulating wide-USB
[12:49] <Darkside> and pass that to the funcube dashboard
[12:49] <Darkside> AOS in 3 minutes...
[12:50] <Andrew_M6GTG> Darkside: thats how I got it work, good luck
[12:50] <Darkside> thanks
[12:50] <Darkside> AOS in 2:10
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[12:53] <Darkside> i se it
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[13:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> Darkside: cool :)
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[13:27] <SM5OCI> @Darkside: What does it look like?
[13:28] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/UPt6xn5.png
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[13:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> Pretty massive launch of small satellites.. 37 in a week?
[13:32] <fsphil> thankfully space is well named
[13:34] <nats`> Darkside the interface is nice !
[13:34] <fsphil> has the help > about bug been fixed?
[13:35] <Darkside> ?
[13:36] <fsphil> opening the about window crashed it
[13:36] <Darkside> dunno
[13:36] <Darkside> didnt go there
[13:37] <Darkside> also this
[13:37] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/dump/funcube_pass.jpg
[13:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> Darkside: nice, form what tool?
[13:39] <WillDuckworth> are these sats using AFSK mostly?
[13:40] <Darkside> this is 1200 baud BPSK
[13:40] <Darkside> Reb-SM3ULC: SDR-Console
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[13:43] <WillDuckworth> are funcube dongles worth getting - or are alternatives just as good - anyone opinions?
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[13:44] <mfa298> probably depends on what else you've got and what you want, but for weak signals in the ham bands they're good.
[13:44] <craag> WillDuckworth: The new Pro Plus is great.
[13:45] <mfa298> seem to be similar in sensitivity to my TS-2000 and FT-817
[13:45] <WillDuckworth> about £125 ish - that right?
[13:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> WillDuckworth: the new one with HF is probably worth more than the 2832s..
[13:45] <mfa298> much better than the rtl-sdr
[13:45] <craag> Had it side-by-side with an FT897 and it beat it by a fair margin.
[13:46] <mfa298> I think when I got mine it ended up being around £150 delivered (after adding VAT and P&P)
[13:46] <WillDuckworth> cool - cheers guys
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[13:50] <x-f> i ordered FCD++ yesterday, now the joy of waiting..
[13:50] <Reb-SM3ULC> SM5OCI: Hej! Didn't see you in all the commotion about the funcube.
[13:50] <eroomde> Ed Fact o the day
[13:51] <eroomde> You have to watch A Quantum Of Solace 10^25 times to get the same amount of solace as you get from a hug
[13:51] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: ++? ;)
[13:51] <eroomde> 10^35, even
[13:51] <x-f> pro+
[13:52] <adamgreig> that's a lot of times
[13:52] <adamgreig> guh. something is wrong with this algorithm.
[13:52] <adamgreig> sigh. ten minutes to debug it.
[13:53] <eroomde> what's it doing?
[13:55] <adamgreig> trying to optimise a thing in a fairly boring way
[13:55] <adamgreig> but it's just making it much much worse
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[13:57] <eroomde> I don't like it when that ahppens
[13:57] <eroomde> and if often does with python
[13:57] <eroomde> i optimise it like i would optimise C
[13:57] <eroomde> and it gets slower
[13:57] <Darkside> haha
[13:57] <Darkside> yep
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[13:58] <eroomde> and the pypy is a law unto itself anyway
[13:58] <adamgreig> oh I mean optimise in the sense "find the minimum input"
[13:58] <adamgreig> not as in "go faster"
[13:58] <adamgreig> spent the last two days on "go faster"
[13:58] <adamgreig> finally have it doing faster in a reasonably nice way that doesn't utterly destroy my ram
[13:58] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: guess that is better buy than rtl+up-conv
[13:58] <adamgreig> installing a proper BLAS was the best thing I could do
[13:59] <adamgreig> now .dot() runs on all 8 cores
[13:59] <adamgreig> which is way easier and faster than running a single threaded .dot() on 8 concurrent trials
[13:59] <Darkside> Reb-SM3ULC: much btter
[13:59] <SM5OCI> So, a Funcude dongle is like GBP150. That is considerably more than a RTL dongle (I ordered one from DX.com for USD13.) Add a broadband preamp wit a MMIC and you still are far from GBP150. Now the question: what are the drawbacks of a cheap donegle + MMIC preamp compared to a Funcube dongle? (For one, no HF coverage.) Are tahre other drawbacks?
[13:59] <Darkside> dynamic range
[13:59] <Darkside> or lack thereof
[13:59] <SM5OCI> Aha.
[13:59] <Darkside> RTLSDR has 48dB, FCD++ has 96dB
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[14:00] <Darkside> for things like HF, that helps a LOT
[14:00] <SM5OCI> How would that hit me when e.g. listening to satellites? Interference problems form close, strong transmitters?
[14:00] <Darkside> for HAB, it can help if you have ISM band interferers in your passband
[14:01] <Darkside> sat work is outside the ISM band, so its not as much of a problm
[14:01] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: no, I am not sure yet
[14:01] <SM5OCI> My passband is 25MHz to, like 1.5GHz....
[14:01] <Darkside> nah
[14:01] <Darkside> i mean the section you're downconverting
[14:02] <Darkside> though other signals coming into the frontend can cause problems, but thats a different issue (IP3)
[14:02] <SM5OCI> Or do you mean the passband currently being received?
[14:02] <SM5OCI> ok,.
[14:02] <Darkside> passband currently being received for dynamic range issues
[14:02] <mattbrejza> is there a variable gain amp on the input before downconverting though?
[14:02] <Darkside> yes, there is
[14:02] <Darkside> well, theres some form of AGC in there
[14:03] <Darkside> which is fine if you want to listne to one strong signal
[14:03] <Darkside> but if the signal of interest is the weaker signal, its not going to help that much
[14:03] <SM5OCI> Ok, thanks. So, for VHF/UHF work, a cheal RTL dongle, small antenna, and broadband MMIC preamp could be a good idea, if you do not have strong passband itnerference.
[14:03] <Darkside> yes
[14:04] <Darkside> the FCD++ is certainly better though :-)
[14:04] <Darkside> in every way but bandwidth
[14:04] <SM5OCI> Yes, teh FCD++ is better of course, but I am cheap ;-)
[14:04] <fsphil> yea an FCD++ with 10MHz would be nice :)
[14:05] <Darkside> fsphil: its called a USRP B100 + WBX daughterboard
[14:05] <SM5OCI> Thanks for info, have to leave the conversation now.
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[14:07] <Maxell> Darkside: yeah, I've become hooked into SDR by the 9 dollar rtl-sdr, and am amazed every time it picks up the signals, but still, just buying the FCDP+ when you have shitty coax, or bad antennas, or bad antenna placement is no magical fix
[14:07] <Maxell> you can do a lot more cheaper improvements that will help the rtl-sdr (and other recievers)
[14:09] <fsphil> Darkside: at FCD++ price levels :)
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[14:12] <fsphil> the hackrf came close
[14:12] <fsphil> though 8-bit resolution
[14:15] <Darkside> yep, thats what stopped me from gettig it
[14:15] <Darkside> i think bladeRF is similar
[14:15] <Darkside> though has much wider bandwidth
[14:17] <mfa298> even though he's left, the other big advantage of the FCD Pro+ is the various frontend filters (especially on the ham bands with nice tight SAW filters)
[14:17] <eroomde> i was impredded with adamgreig's bladerf
[14:17] <eroomde> nice pcb
[14:17] <Darkside> its basically a breakout for that AD chip
[14:17] <Darkside> same one as it on the USRP B210
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[14:18] <Darkside> ok so its 12-bit ADC, 16-bit DAC
[14:18] <Darkside> getting better
[14:19] <Darkside> the frequency range annoys me a bit, but its to be kind of expected given the chip in use
[14:20] <fsphil> also you can get a bladerf
[14:20] <fsphil> the hackrf isn't availble yet
[14:20] <Darkside> mmm
[14:20] <Darkside> for what i want it for i'd need a transverter to use it
[14:21] <Darkside> I want a SDR that i can use to sample the entire HF band at once...
[14:21] <Darkside> with enough dynamic range to be useful
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[14:22] <Darkside> i actually have access to a ADC card that can do it, an ICS 632
[14:22] <Darkside> which will sample at 100MHZ or something with 16-bit resolution
[14:22] <Darkside> but the drivers for it are crap
[14:22] <Darkside> windows only, matlab interface
[14:22] <nats`> Darkside if you can do your own board
[14:22] <fsphil> urg
[14:22] <nats`> you have some 16bit ADC from TI
[14:22] <nats`> the main problem is the struggle of diferential chain
[14:23] <nats`> differential
[14:23] <Darkside> the main problem for me is the FPGA stuff to process it all
[14:23] <Darkside> since i have no experience in that area
[14:23] <nats`> Darkside you can do fpga only for transmit sample
[14:23] <Darkside> we have a capture board at uni which uses 2x Linear Tech 16-bit ADCs, sampling at 125MHz
[14:24] <Darkside> that uses an opal kelly FPGA board to do th eprocessing
[14:24] <Darkside> opal kelly boards sem a favourite in academia
[14:25] <nats`> I always thought that was those DE from altera
[14:25] <fsphil> what would the fpga be doing?
[14:25] <Darkside> taking the ADC output and getting it into a form suitable for transmission to a computer
[14:25] <Darkside> streaming over USB, or ethernet, etc
[14:25] <jedas> if someone would be interesred, we've just build low noise preamp for 433-437mhz. haven't calculated priced yet, but it should be 22$-ish http://jedas.fpv.lt/preamp
[14:26] <eroomde> glorified fifo
[14:26] <Darkside> eroomde: yep
[14:26] <Darkside> jedas: funny that, i did one a few yars back >_>
[14:26] <Darkside> Upu sells them
[14:26] <jedas> :) i guess they will be manfactured till the end of the manhood :)
[14:26] <Darkside> er
[14:26] <nats`> jedas I'm interested
[14:27] <fsphil> ok
[14:27] <Darkside> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=72_73&product_id=83
[14:27] <Darkside> habamp!
[14:27] <jedas> there are actual measurements in those files, i'll do some real live tests soon
[14:27] <gonzo_> lost in translation
[14:27] <nats`> is it a discrete component lna or integrated one ?
[14:27] <jedas> yea, i've seen that. it's quite nice device. just i wanted to have something slightly cheaper. no offence :)
[14:28] <Darkside> jedas: well the profits go to a good cause
[14:28] <Darkside> (high altitude ballooning)
[14:29] <jedas> nats: i'm not sure. my friend was assembling it. i'll ask right quick
[14:29] <jedas> Darkside: cool :)
[14:29] <nats`> I'm struggling with my dual gate fet
[14:29] <nats`> and I'm wondering if the protoboard could be a problem at those frequencies
[14:30] <nats`> not protoboard but copper board with hole
[14:30] <nats`> so big capacitance I think
[14:30] <craag> stripboard?
[14:30] <eroomde> habamp would be cool if you'd allow power from biasing
[14:30] <Darkside> eroomde: it dos
[14:30] <Darkside> does*
[14:30] <eroomde> does it? do i just have an old version?
[14:30] <Darkside> its a jumper setting
[14:30] <Darkside> yep
[14:30] <eroomde> a right
[14:30] <Darkside> Upu's version has all that
[14:30] <Darkside> my version had it too, but you have to populate certain inductors
[14:31] <eroomde> within my powers
[14:31] <Darkside> yep
[14:31] <nats`> craag yes strip board
[14:31] <Darkside> eroomde: if you send me a pic of the board i can direct you as to what you need to populat
[14:32] <nats`> jedas what analyzer did you use ?
[14:32] <Darkside> eroomde: or you could figure it out on your own :-) theres a rather obvious inductor on the output that you need to populate, then follow the trace to decide if th voltage from it goes through the LDO reg or not
[14:32] <jedas> it's not my stuff. my friend does this at work. i think it's agilent (?) and probably 1.5ghz or 3
[14:33] <jedas> it has windows, that's what i've saw :)
[14:33] <Darkside> all the expensive ones seem to run windows XP :(
[14:34] <Darkside> our $500,000 anritsu beast does anyway
[14:34] <jedas> yea, or win2k
[14:34] <jedas> our ones i think are cheaper, something 50-100k
[14:35] <Darkside> mm
[14:35] <Darkside> well this one goes up to 250GHz or somethign stupid like that
[14:35] <jedas> it's crazy :)
[14:35] <jedas> what do you design ?
[14:35] <nats`> same stuff here at work big SA VNA and scope
[14:35] <jedas> i mean, the man who paid for that device, what his intests were ? =)
[14:36] <Darkside> jedas: its for the crazy microwave guys
[14:36] <Darkside> doing microwave antenna design, and metamaterial stuff
[14:36] <jedas> i see. i call it plumbing, more than electronics
[14:36] <eroomde> the only thing i didn't like about the ZVL was the windows
[14:37] <nats`> I don't think it's a problem
[14:37] <nats`> I see those equipment as standalone tool you don't manage
[14:37] <nats`> not like a desktop computer
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1r4cxb/dreamlifter_747_lands_at_wrong_airport_is_too_big/
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> Oops.
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> I love the comment 'I issued the NOTAM. Time is purely estimated, subject to change. '
[14:39] <jedas> :)
[14:40] <eroomde> nats`: i hope that's the case
[14:40] <jedas> i thought they need more runway length for landing than taking off
[14:40] <eroomde> i just fea it won't be
[14:40] <ve6ts> SpeedEvil it always is when i launch as well, we never seem to be ready in time
[14:40] <eroomde> i sort of like test equipment that will last 40 years and is fixable with a soldering iron
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[14:40] <SpeedEvil> ve6ts: Err - no - that's the person in charge of issuing the NOTAM that responded - not the applicant
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> http://i.imgur.com/TP84OF4.jpg
[14:42] <ve6ts> SpeedEvil oh, hehe, that is funny... around here they used to have us call them at regular intervals while flying, but not anymore
[14:42] <ve6ts> i suspect the controller was bored and was interested in what we were doing
[14:43] <ve6ts> SpeedEvil wow those airports are close
[14:43] <nats`> they got in the wrong airport ? oO
[14:44] <nats`> no one told them ?
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> The soundcloud link to the comms with the tower of the airport they thought they were at is amusing.
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[14:48] <mfa298> I liked the comments "Couldn't he just have turned on his phone and checked on Google Maps? :P" followed up with "he used apple maps instead"
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/KWCH12/status/403431348116811776
[14:51] <jedas> heh :)
[14:51] <craag> I don't get how with GPS it took them that long to work out where they are?
[14:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Guys, quick question, how do I display a LONG type variable in a printf string? Whats the format qualifier? %?
[14:52] <jedas> don't they use autolanding for those big airliners? my friend is pilot at boing, she said, that they hardly ever do it manually now
[14:52] <jedas> Steve_G0TDJ, try %ld
[14:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thank you
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[14:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not working but I suspect it's another issue. I can't stick around now but I'll be back later for a bit of code help. Cheers
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[14:59] <nats`> jedas those airport seems to be small
[14:59] <nats`> maybe they don't have landing system
[14:59] <jedas> probably
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[15:02] <x-f> i thought these big planes don't use GPS
[15:02] <x-f> or are not allowed to use
[15:02] <ve6ts> in canada we have ifr gps approches
[15:03] <ve6ts> the requirement is to have 2 GPS's for that, or 1 gps and 1 other approche (like ils)
[15:03] <x-f> i see
[15:04] <ve6ts> i'm only a vfr pilot though, just as a hobby
[15:04] <jedas> and vrf is.. ?
[15:04] <fsphil> very fine
[15:04] <jedas> :)))
[15:05] <ve6ts> hehe, sure visual flight rules
[15:05] <ve6ts> i cannot fly in or through a cloud
[15:05] <jedas> oh, so it's ultralight ?
[15:05] <fsphil> even unexpected cloud?
[15:06] <ve6ts> yes i have to stay under them
[15:06] <ve6ts> there is a small upgrade to fluy above but not through (rare to use it though)
[15:06] <jedas> i'm one step lower than that. just visual flights, only at day. just paragliding :)
[15:07] <ve6ts> i can fly through scattered clouds but not broken or overcast
[15:07] <fsphil> what if cloud moved in over the airport?
[15:07] <ve6ts> cool u love paragliding, someday would like to get one, i used to hangglide but paragliding is easier to drive around with
[15:07] <ve6ts> fsphil you are screwed :) you as the pilot's fault for not paying attention
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> I realised the other day there is a loophole in CAA regs allowing you to tow yourself on a parachute through the air with a RC aircraft :)
[15:08] <jedas> :)
[15:08] <fsphil> haha
[15:08] <jedas> but only if there are 2 pilots, like in pacific rim
[15:08] <ve6ts> SpeedEvil i've heard of people actually doing that
[15:09] <ve6ts> instead of winch launch
[15:09] <ve6ts> or areotoe
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> If the model is under 7kg - there are basically no limits other than 'don't fly near houses'
[15:09] <jedas> but I bet CAA doen't approove size of RC which could do that
[15:09] <jedas> 7kg won't provide so much thrust to put man in air imho
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> If it's under 20kg, you've got to stay under 400 feet.
[15:10] <SIbot> In real units: 400 ft = 122 m
[15:10] <ve6ts> same here, but our limit is higher (50 pounds)
[15:10] <fsphil> love the mixed units there
[15:10] <ve6ts> and you have to have visual reference with it (here)
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> jedas: In principle it could, but for a very, very limited time.
[15:10] <ve6ts> hehe, ya si and imperial :)
[15:11] <DL7AD> there has been a burst calculator on habhub for latex balloons. i cant find it anymore. does anyone have the link?
[15:12] <jedas> ve6ts, i guess this topic might be discussed 1000 times, but what do you think about ballons in the air, as pilot ?
[15:12] <fsphil> DL7AD: http://habhub.org/calc/
[15:12] <adamgreig> (note that all such tools are linked to from http://habhub.org )
[15:12] <DL7AD> fsphil: thx
[15:16] <ve6ts> jedas as a ballooner myself i am not impartial, in terms of hitting them, should be no problem assuming they are kepted light and made of foam
[15:17] <ve6ts> the micro's present no problem for me (hitting a bird is worse) the larger ones are a problem, but if there is a notam i will avoid the area (or pay more attention when i'm flying through
[15:17] <jedas> the most concern i think would be jet engines
[15:17] <jedas> or lithium batteries.. they are quite explosive
[15:17] <ve6ts> in canada the probability of hitting one is very low (in fact there are basically no micro launches here (except me it seems) and the large ones are also not that common, and are notamed
[15:18] <ve6ts> jet engines are tested with a frozen chicken hitting them at flying speed at full power, does not damage them (only when multiple birds go in or large ones)
[15:18] <jedas> i see. so it's not that bad i guess
[15:19] <jedas> so if we keep baloons similar to frozen chikens we are ok
[15:19] <nats`> I think pico balloon will be destroyed by the plane without the pilot noticing it
[15:19] <nats`> (I mean for big plane)
[15:19] <ve6ts> i spend alot of money yesterday on my plane, top overhaul
[15:19] <ve6ts> yikes! parts alone was $5K and labour is another 3K+ (will pay when it is done)
[15:20] <ve6ts> nats`: i agree
[15:20] <jedas> it's your personal plane ?
[15:20] <ve6ts> yes i own a cessna 150 pic on http://obsd.com
[15:21] <jedas> nice!
[15:22] <ve6ts> i've been flying for approx 7 years now, with over 400 hours airtime
[15:22] <jedas> from previous topics, i've hit scattered clouds, and slightlly into that. views were worth it :)
[15:22] <jedas> https://picasaweb.google.com/105652379121567398072/2013SaliaDebesu?noredirect=1#
[15:22] <x-f> Reb-SM3ULC, yeah, i weighted all the pros and cons for such purchase and decided it will be worth getting it, will see how it goes :)
[15:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> jedas: niiiice... :)
[15:26] <jedas> thanks :) yea, i like it
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[15:30] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: you can add your lna and drive it with the fcd+, right?
[15:31] <x-f> not sure if i will need an lna with the fcd
[15:35] <mfa298> For hab's I've used a fairly simple antenna direct into the FCD Pro+ and it's done pretty well (when local obstructions havn't gotten in the way - and the only fix for them would be to move)
[15:39] <Andrew_M6GTG> can I brag?
[15:39] <jedas> shoot
[15:40] <Andrew_M6GTG> while listening out for FUNCube-1 spotted a CW signal up the waterfall, have decoded some of it, seems I have confirmed that ICube-1 the Pakistan cubesat is operational ;-)
[15:41] <jedas> :)
[15:41] <fsphil> it just does CW?
[15:42] <Andrew_M6GTG> nope is should be packet, thats what confused me, very near the transponder freq of FUNCube-1
[15:42] <Reb-SM3ULC> Andrew_M6GTG: :)
[15:42] <Reb-SM3ULC> Andrew_M6GTG: they alternate cw+packet maybe?
[15:42] <fsphil> are you the first to receive it?
[15:42] <Andrew_M6GTG> but got partial ???ISTAN and CUBESAT words, have contacted the team and they have said CW beacon is active on that frequency
[15:43] <Andrew_M6GTG> and what I decoded is what is being transmitted
[15:43] <Andrew_M6GTG> fsphil: I think so..
[15:44] <fsphil> sweet!
[15:44] <Andrew_M6GTG> from their facebook page "First Signal has been received from ICUBE-1 in UK ... Alhamdulillah the ICUBE-1 mission is successful ... Congrats everyone."
[15:45] <gonzo_> usually you wuill get away with shared freqs for leo sats, as thy are not visible for long
[15:46] <gonzo_> on oscar10 there was a shared input and output with another sat. So it was poss to do a multi hop between sats
[15:46] <gonzo_> only one way t6heough so not that useful. just fun to try
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[15:47] <Andrew_M6GTG> the frequency is 145.947 and the FUNCube transponder starts at 145.950, with the doppler shift I'd miscalculated till I trawled the frequency charts and noticed the ICube-1 not had much fanfare
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[15:58] <DL7AD> hey thats a good demonstration of burning hydrogen in a little balloon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5EWVXrW28o
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[16:33] <jcoxon> pleased to see lots of ukhas in the funcube upload stats
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[16:33] <fsphil> we should form a team
[16:35] <DL1SGP> heh
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[16:46] <Laurenceb> wohoo
[16:46] <Laurenceb> EMc pass
[16:46] Action: Laurenceb now has two CE approved devices
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[16:51] <eroomde> posix_fallocate does sound a bit adult, as function names go
[16:51] <jonsowman> :D
[16:52] <Andrew_M6GTG> jcoxon: pah.. FUNCube-1 I got a satellite all to myself ;-)
[16:53] <jcoxon> i saw that too
[16:53] <jcoxon> congrats on that too
[16:53] <jcoxon> so many cubesats
[16:53] <Andrew_M6GTG> lol.. mind you I really should be working not chasing satellites
[16:56] <eroomde> irc during working hours is a bad thing
[16:59] <fsphil> yes
[17:00] <Andrew_M6GTG> at least I can make it look like a code listing from a distance.. big brother looking over my shoulder ;-)
[17:03] <fsphil> irc in evenings while working on projects can also be a bad thing
[17:04] <jcoxon> hmmm upgrading osx has broken gcc
[17:04] <fsphil> especially for someone like me who's easily
[17:06] <Andrew_M6GTG> lol.. you were saying?
[17:06] <x-f> hehe, he got distracted
[17:08] <mfa298> is that a bit like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxYYPziLdR4#t=6
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[17:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
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[17:14] <x-f> hi, Brian
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[17:22] <jcoxon> fsphil, arko, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/10964900546/
[17:22] <arko> Haha nice!!!
[17:23] <arko> Thats discovery right?
[17:23] <arko> Derp
[17:23] <arko> In the title
[17:23] <arko> Damn mobile
[17:24] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:24] <jcoxon> it was awesome
[17:24] <arko> Very cool
[17:24] <arko> Yeah, its mind blowning
[17:24] <jcoxon> though i thought it would be bigger
[17:24] <jcoxon> the proprotions are weird
[17:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cool, would like to visit too
[17:25] <arko> Come to california and see endeavor shuttle
[17:25] <arko> Yeah its odd how big it is
[17:26] <arko> Err small
[17:26] <arko> Man i need coffee
[17:26] <arko> I really want to see the fuel tank
[17:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got a can here, wheres your cop
[17:26] <arko> Haha in los angeles
[17:27] <arko> It rain today
[17:27] <arko> Go to google maps and check traffic in La
[17:27] <arko> LA
[17:27] <arko> Its crazy
[17:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Yeah thats a long pour
[17:27] <arko> Haha
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[17:28] <arko> Wore my coat and trousers for the first time since england
[17:28] <arko> Ooh fun
[17:30] <jcoxon> its cold in the uk right now
[17:30] <arko> Haha
[17:30] <arko> Sounds normal
[17:31] <arko> How was dc? As scary as they say?
[17:31] <jcoxon> we were with friends so it was fine
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[17:33] <arko> Haha, yeah, ive heard of tourist horror stories
[17:33] <arko> Thats good
[17:34] <jcoxon> also didn't feel the need to see everything unlike the coach tours
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[17:45] <bertrik> DL1SGP2: I see you've been receiving funcube-1 today :)
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[18:19] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/IcugVpr.jpg
[18:22] Action: chrisstubbs thinks we need a 2014 HAB calendar printed
[18:24] <ve6ts> that would be cool
[18:26] <Reb-SM3ULC> arko's pic was a great HAB-pic. .)
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[18:29] <arko> oh thats not a hab
[18:30] <arko> i believe it's a satellite in polar orbit
[18:32] <fsphil> awwww jcoxon saw the shuttle. /me tries not to be jealous
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[18:33] <arko> fsphil: comes to la
[18:40] <fsphil> definitly. just not sure when
[18:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> arko: just kidding.. pretty high orbit..
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[18:42] <fsphil> some day there'll be a ukhas satellite
[18:42] <fsphil> a community built open source satellite
[18:42] <bertrik> a whole bunch of cubesats were launched today
[18:42] <fsphil> we can build a standard downlink standard
[18:43] <arko> fsphil: yes!
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[18:43] <arko> one day
[18:44] <fsphil> one too many standards in that last sentence
[18:44] <craag> I didn't like either, so I'll add another standard!
[18:45] <fsphil> oblig xkcd: http://xkcd.com/927/
[18:45] <craag> ;)
[18:45] <arko> hahahaha
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[18:50] <g0hww> evening. has something happened to http://spacenear.us/tracker/ as now the Map->Terrain option is obscured by the B-30 widget. i am still able to select the terrain option, but only barely
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[18:52] <fsphil> google changed the map
[18:52] <fsphil> I'll see if I can move it down a bit
[18:52] <g0hww> thanks fsphil
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[18:58] <g0hww> fsphil, that seems to have done the trick :)
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[19:01] <fsphil> 20 pixels did the trick
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[19:04] <fsphil> I can't seem to add the funcube sat to gpredict
[19:05] <g0hww> fsphil, i'm just tring to figure out the very same thing
[19:05] <g0hww> gonna try this: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4E5005FD.4090007%40igpp.ucla.edu&forum_name=gpredict-discussion
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[19:06] <Upu> thats odd I can get at it easily here
[19:07] <fsphil> got the telemetry file but it's telling me it ignored 1 satellite
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[19:07] <Reb-SM3ULC> i never got it to understand my file
[19:08] <fsphil> doesn't tell me why it ignored it
[19:09] <g0hww> hmm. it seemed to accept the file for me, just trying to add it to the module now
[19:10] <mfa298> with the hrd satellite tracker I was just able to put the keps data in a text file and import so presumably the data is good
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[19:11] <g0hww> i created a directory ~/keps, added the 3 lines of TLE without a CR/LF appended, pointed gredict at the keps directory and then added FUNCUBE to the module. it reported 1 new satellite when it ingested the keps
[19:12] <fsphil> the TLE lines currently on the funcube website?
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[19:12] <g0hww> yep: http://funcube.org.uk/working-documents/latest-two-line-elements/
[19:12] Action: Reb-SM3ULC get zero points for not have a nome for the TLEs
[19:13] <fsphil> yea that's what I've got in there
[19:13] <fsphil> hmm
[19:13] <Upu> those work in WXTrack
[19:13] <Upu> 38 mins
[19:13] <DL1SGP2> popcorn and drinks ready?
[19:14] <g0hww> added those 3 lines. with no trailing CR/LF, to ~/keps/funcube.txt then selected "Update TLE"->"From Local Files", selected "Other" at the end of the list chooser, then browsed to and selected the keps directory, and it worked out nicely
[19:15] <fsphil> that's exactly what I have
[19:15] <fsphil> how big is your funcube.txt file?
[19:15] <g0hww> 149 bytes
[19:15] <fsphil> 150 here
[19:15] <fsphil> ooh
[19:16] <x-f> i just did that (TLE from FUNcube's website) and it got added to gpredict
[19:16] <x-f> 147 bytes
[19:16] <fsphil> oooh2
[19:16] <g0hww> md5sum of file: http://funcube.org.uk/working-documents/latest-two-line-elements/
[19:16] <g0hww> oops
[19:16] <g0hww> aaeb5af094b65db199ffd33f480ebc07
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[19:17] <fsphil> wonder what's different
[19:17] <fsphil> can you put it up somewhere or email it to me?
[19:17] <g0hww> email, wots your addy?
[19:17] <fsphil> msg'ed
[19:18] <g0hww> seen, wait
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[19:19] <g0hww> sent
[19:19] <fsphil> I bet it's something silly like tabs instead of white space
[19:19] <fsphil> got, ta
[19:20] <g0hww> now to try and figure out if anyone has written anything like a decoder for linux
[19:20] <fsphil> skipped yours too
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[19:21] <g0hww> here i'm using gpredict 1.3 on Ubuntu 13.10 x86_64
[19:22] <fsphil> 1.3 here too
[19:22] <DL1SGP2> ok for the upcoming pass I gonna test HDSDR in conjunction with the orbitron embedded DDE-Doppler-Compensation and decoding the NF of the signal rather than using the FCD directly in Dashboard :)
[19:22] <g0hww> skipped?
[19:22] <fsphil> yea, 1 satellite skipped
[19:23] <g0hww> it says it skips it if i try and reingest the keps. perhaps it worked first time for you
[19:23] <fsphil> it's not listed
[19:23] <fsphil> I'll try clearing everything
[19:23] <g0hww> look for FUNCUBE under all satellites
[19:24] <fsphil> ah
[19:24] <fsphil> clearing the TLE store fixed it
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[19:24] <fsphil> or not
[19:24] <fsphil> still not listed
[19:24] <fsphil> but it says it imported it
[19:25] <g0hww> you are looking for FUNCUBE and not AO-73 aren't you
[19:25] <fsphil> this is officially annoying
[19:25] <fsphil> yea
[19:25] <g0hww> noFUNCUBE
[19:26] <g0hww> nolinuxsupportCUBE
[19:26] <fsphil> arissat-1 had the same problem. late release of software meant no time to port it
[19:27] <g0hww> if they hadn't written it in bloody .net to start with it might have helped
[19:28] <DL1SGP2> preferably .NET + MONO :)
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[19:28] <g0hww> urgh. a command line tool would have done
[19:28] <DL1SGP2> that too :)
[19:31] <mfa298> didn't someone say they'de asked for people to work on clients but no one came forward so they had to end up converting their internal app for public use
[19:31] <fsphil> there's more time to make a port for this one
[19:31] <fsphil> I heard that mfa298
[19:31] <g0hww> before it burns up?
[19:31] <mfa298> which would suggest the information is available for dedocing the data.
[19:32] <fsphil> it's 700km up, so not likely to come down that quickly
[19:32] <DL1SGP2> yup it will stay for a while :)
[19:33] <fsphil> started from scratch in gpredict, same result
[19:33] <fsphil> adds it but it's not listed
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[19:34] <mfa298> according to the data I've imported there's a good pass starting around 21:20 (or a bit after depending on location
[19:34] <DL1SGP2> positive mfa298
[19:35] <mfa298> looks like it goes straight up the middle of the north sea
[19:35] <DL1SGP2> yes
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[19:43] <g0hww> hmm. my FCD looks silly stuck on the end of my temporary RG-213 feed into the living room from the 2m turnstile-with-reflectors in the loft
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[19:48] <g0hww> cool, gqrx can now be controlled by gpredict
[19:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oops
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[19:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nice getting data from funcube
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[19:52] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
[19:52] <Upu> just post the doc SP3OSJ :)
[19:52] <fsphil> lol
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[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:58] <DL1SGP2> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> hallo
[19:59] <DL1SGP2> ok that pass was a bit low for me but good for adjusting the equipment and making sure that stuff works as I want
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[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed signal was very visible in the w/f but unable to decode anything.
[20:00] <mclane> you speak about funcube sat dl1sgp?
[20:00] <DL1SGP2> ja :)
[20:00] <mclane> was für eine Antenne benutzt Du?
[20:01] <DL1SGP2> same here Geoff-G8DHE I could have had better luck with the other antenna but I wanted to test the equipment for doppler compensation
[20:01] <DL1SGP2> mclane: eine Colinear Diamon X-50N wenn ich mich recht erinnere
[20:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup using SDR-Radio here and it has doppler built in, but didn't seem to be that accurate
[20:01] <DL1SGP2> hab aber auch ne 135-150 MHz turnstile die dne sat auch gut hoert
[20:02] <DL1SGP2> receiver was a FCD Pro
[20:03] <mclane> you look for the 2m beacon I guess?
[20:03] <DL1SGP2> telemetry downlink
[20:03] <DL1SGP2> it is in the 2m band, yes
[20:04] <DL1SGP2> 145.935MHZ +/- doppler
[20:04] <mclane> there is nothing on 70cm?
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
[20:04] <mclane> hi Lunar_Lander
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[20:08] <DL1SGP2> mclane only the uplink is on 70cm
[20:10] <mclane> ok, then I have no chance - first I need to get a 2 m antenna
[20:10] <mfa298> you can probably make something suitable fairly easily
[20:10] <DL1SGP2> you might be happy with some simple groundplane from parts obtained in the Baumarkt :)
[20:11] <mfa298> although I'm not sure what polarisation Funcube is using on the sat
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[20:13] <DL1SGP2> I would be tempted to say RHCP not sure either
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[20:14] <mfa298> based on what others have said earlier a simple GP or dipole would probably work reasonably well if it's a decent receiver.
[20:15] <mclane> I have a fcd+
[20:15] <mclane> is that decent enough?
[20:15] <mfa298> fcd pro+ is a good receiver
[20:15] <DL1SGP2> yes
[20:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> According to the handbook the aerials are simple dipoles
[20:15] <mfa298> I believe it was designed for this project (hence being called the Funcube dongle)
[20:16] <mclane> yea; then I have to visit Bauhaus soon
[20:16] <DL1SGP2> I was happy reading about it when I purchased my FCD Pro which is Serial #168 :)
[20:18] <DL1SGP2> afk for a bit
[20:18] <mfa298> anyone interested in radio should keep suitable coax, plugs and bits of wire accessible at all time for the purpose of making an antenna.
[20:18] Action: mfa298 wonders if he should suggest that on the rsgb litmus test as a new license requirement
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[20:22] <SP3OSJ> SP3OSJ tomorrow flight 11:00 http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/132346_trj001.gif
[20:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh we might see that from the UK then!
[20:24] <SP3OSJ> I'm counting on you
[20:24] <g5pw> \part
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[20:25] <g5pw> i always mess up the slash :/
[20:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> 11:00 AM ISH ?
[20:26] <SP3OSJ> hm 8:00-11:00 GMT
[20:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't rush in that case ;-)
[20:26] <SP3OSJ> As the sun appears
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[20:27] <SP3OSJ> OK
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[20:27] <SP3OSJ> This will be an important flight
[20:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any details nothing on the list I see yet ?
[20:28] <g5pw> hello! So, any of you tried to use and ardupilot mega as payload?
[20:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> What would you pilot on a balloon ?
[20:32] <ve6ts> g5pw i'm working on my own gps autopilot for a balooon flight (after burst on the way down, controllable chute)
[20:33] <g5pw> Geoff-G8DHE: nothing really, I'd just use the platform for its sensors (accelerometer, gyroscope, pressure, magnetometer, GPS, ...)
[20:33] <mfa298> you might want to check out what gps it uses
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[20:33] <mfa298> most aren't suitable for most HABs
[20:35] <mfa298> people have used an arduino, but then add the sensors they want, a suitable gps module and some form of radio module
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[20:41] <g5pw> mfa298: yes, I know about the altitude limitation... for me, it could be a cheaper alternative, as it comes for 70$ from china.
[20:43] <mfa298> if that includes everything it might be a reasonable price.
[20:44] <mfa298> although the ones I found when searching don't seem to include gps
[20:45] <g5pw> no, it does not include gps, actually
[20:45] <mclane> gps from upu is 24 gpb; arduino pro mini 3.3v is 10EUR
[20:45] <mclane> so much cheaper
[20:46] <mfa298> you could probably get an arduino and the sensors you actually want for cheaper than that then.
[20:46] <g5pw> mclane: what about other sensors?
[20:46] <Upu> evening
[20:46] <Upu> don't buy a chinese module or the Adafruit one pls :)
[20:46] <Upu> they don't work
[20:46] <Upu> above 18km/27km respectively
[20:46] <g5pw> Upu: aha, thanks, I was actually investigating that
[20:46] <mclane> you can connect a 10dof unit for some 20 $ via i2c
[20:47] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_60
[20:47] <mfa298> depends on what sensors you actually want, I don't think many people have used gyros or accelerometers, you could probably work most of that out from the gps data
[20:47] <Upu> disclaimer thats my shop
[20:47] <Upu> but the ublox modules work to 50km in flight mode
[20:48] <mfa298> also on the cheap arduino type clones you might find they're not properly rated for down to -40C (or lower)
[20:48] <mclane> there are nice modules with 3 axis accelerometer, gyro, magnetometer and barometer
[20:48] <Upu> yeah use a real Arduino if you're going to use one
[20:49] <mclane> I have used this for some flights: http://www.watterott.com/de/Wattuino-pro-mini-3V3-8MHz
[20:49] <mclane> (sorry in german)
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[20:50] <g5pw> mclane: cool, i know that site. thanks for the link! it looks indeed cheaper...
[20:50] <mclane> and made in germany ;-))
[20:51] <mfa298> cheap items are only cheap if they work properly so you can get it back. Some of the cheap chinese clones may not be made as well meaning it fails so you lose it.
[20:52] <mclane> yea, but I used this one for 2 hab flights without any issues
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[20:54] <mfa298> mclane: sorry, that wasn't aimed at your link.
[20:54] <g5pw> well, thanks for the info everyone! i'm going to research a bit on upu's site :)
[20:54] <Upu> have fun :)
[20:54] <g5pw> thanks :P
[20:54] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=617
[20:54] <Upu> may help too
[20:54] <mfa298> Upu's store is a great way of losing money.
[20:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did I see you doing K5NG rotator boards UPU ?
[20:55] <Upu> not if you're Upu
[20:55] <Upu> yeah I'm doing them Geoff
[20:55] <Upu> want one ?
[20:55] <DL1SGP2> you do not lose the money as long as you recover the payload :)
[20:55] Action: mfa298 isn't Upu :(
[20:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Possibly just researching at present do you have a link I couldn't find it on the shop the other day
[20:55] <Upu> http://blog.radioartisan.com/yaesu-rotator-computer-serial-interface/
[20:55] <Upu> sorry
[20:55] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=372
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[20:56] <Upu> I'm out of stock atm just waiting on Mitch to fire up his PCB making gnomes
[20:57] <DL1SGP2> he might have borrowed them to santa on "external work contract base" for xmas preps
[20:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right, I'll bookmark it this time, it doesn't appear on a search
[20:58] <mclane> upu: will you sell the habduinos? - we might propose a school project based on such a design
[20:59] <mclane> maybe as akit?
[20:59] <mclane> a kit
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[21:01] <Upu> Habduno is for sale if you want one
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[21:07] <mclane> might order one for xmas
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[21:07] <mclane> what is the price?
[21:08] <DL1SGP2> no worries santa will take care of finances just give him your credit card, mclane :)
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[21:11] <Upu> pm mclane
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[21:35] <Laurenceb__> Hi Leo
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[21:45] <Dove3_henry> sup Laurenceb__
[21:45] <Dove3_henry> Dove 3 is kicking some butt
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[21:46] <Laurenceb__> Dove3?
[21:46] <Laurenceb__> one of the cubesats?
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[21:47] <Dove3_henry> yeah
[21:47] <DL1SGP> Delfi-n3xt I assume
[21:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> speaking of cubes, nice funcube pass. Whats Dove3 on?
[21:47] <Laurenceb__> oh nice, is there a page on this?
[21:47] <Laurenceb__> i while ago i was pondering cubesats
[21:48] <Laurenceb__> if you could launch liquids (water) you could fit a solar thermal thruster into one
[21:48] <Dove3_henry> we haven't released any official public info yet, but Gunter has some good guesses: http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/dove-3.htm
[21:48] <Dove3_henry> I'm hoping to bootload it with some new firmware that will feature a UKHAS-compatible radio mode
[21:48] <Dove3_henry> the radio is totally capable of it
[21:48] <Upu> whats the radio ?
[21:48] <Laurenceb__> oh nice
[21:49] <Dove3_henry> it's based on a CC1110
[21:49] <Upu> ok cool
[21:49] <Dove3_henry> with some external amps
[21:51] <mfa298> sounds like someone might need to find a new payload icon for snus
[21:51] <Upu> indeed
[21:51] <Upu> we have an ISS one
[21:51] <x-f> Eagle-2 has been heard today in UK - the one with RFM22B
[21:52] <Laurenceb__> haha RFM22B in space
[21:53] Action: mfa298 wonders how many passes that will make before failing
[21:54] <Upu> thats so frustrating :)
[21:54] <Upu> I'm sat here with an RFM thats meant to be going transatlantic wondering how I can actually make it last that long
[21:55] Action: Laurenceb__ now has two CE + FDA approved devices
[21:55] <Laurenceb__> just completed EMC testing today :D
[21:55] <Upu> congrats ?
[21:55] <Laurenceb__> yup
[21:55] <Laurenceb__> thanks
[21:55] <Dove3_henry> nicely done
[21:56] <Laurenceb__> only took 4 months work
[21:57] <Laurenceb__> ambulance ride quality monitor and a now a more secret blood flow monitor project
[21:57] <WillTablet> Still too nervous to try soldering my resistors
[21:57] <Laurenceb__> my black project :P
[21:57] <Upu> Will solder them if you knackered them desolder them and start again
[21:58] <Laurenceb__> Dove3_henry: what are your thoughts on liquids on cubesats
[21:58] <Laurenceb__> like water
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[21:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Looks like prime downlink for dove-3 is 8.2ghz
[21:59] <Dove3_henry> yeah, we haven't tried turning that on yet
[22:00] <Dove3_henry> we're using UHF, 401.3 MHz downlink (but it only transmits on command from our uplink, no beacons)
[22:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> so must be 402.4MHz then as tt&c backup
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[22:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah yes the other was uplink
[22:01] <Dove3_henry> Laurenceb__: it's a good idea, the launch folks prefer water over anything volatile
[22:01] <Dove3_henry> OZ1SKY_Brian: we don't have anything on 402.4
[22:01] <Dove3_henry> Laurenceb__: There are a couple of groups working on electrolysed water as propellant for nanosats
[22:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hmm 401.3 wonder if thats inside the MSG uplink range, if so, it might be heard over that satellite :-)
[22:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Dove 3 frequency characteristics:
[22:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Primary TT&C Uplink: 2.056 GHz
[22:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Secondary TT&C Uplink: 402.4 MHz
[22:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Primary Payload Downlink: 8.2 GHz
[22:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Secondary TT&C Downlink: 401.3 MHz
[22:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what i found
[22:02] <Laurenceb__> Dove3_henry
[22:02] <Dove3_henry> that's a typo on the TT&C uplink
[22:02] <Laurenceb__> i was thinking simple
[22:02] <Dove3_henry> it's 450 MHz
[22:02] <Laurenceb__> heat it as hot as possible
[22:02] <Laurenceb__> using a 10cm diameter parabolic mirror
[22:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok i see
[22:02] <Dove3_henry> where did you get that frequency info?
[22:02] <Laurenceb__> i cant remeber the ISP you can get, but its decent
[22:03] <Laurenceb__> like 300seconds or something
[22:03] <Dove3_henry> Laurenceb__: that's an interesting concept
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[22:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 450 or 401.3 you say?
[22:04] <Laurenceb__> Dove3_henry: ill have to find my notes, this was a year ago
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[22:04] <Laurenceb__> so parabolic mirror in the back and a tiny thruster using high temperature ceramics
[22:04] <Laurenceb__> dont feed it liquid
[22:05] <Dove3_henry> Laurenceb__: wow, that would be very impressive if you could pull it off
[22:05] <Dove3_henry> Laurenceb__: we should talk offline about trying that
[22:05] <Laurenceb__> using the boiloff from the tank
[22:05] <Laurenceb__> kk, busy atm
[22:05] <Dove3_henry> I might be able to get you a flight opportunity
[22:05] <Laurenceb__> 14hour day so far :P
[22:05] <Dove3_henry> OZ1SKY_Brian: 401.3 MHz downlink, 450 MHz uplink
[22:05] <Laurenceb__> CE + FDA + meeting NHS :P
[22:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sorry MSG uplinks in the 406MHz range, not 401. So no joy of hearing it there
[22:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Ok thanks Henry
[22:05] <Laurenceb__> i need to switch off and relax :P
[22:06] <Laurenceb__> good luck with the sat
[22:06] <Dove3_henry> thanks Laurenceb__, get some rest
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[22:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> MSG used to be fun, lots of unintentional relays over that transponder
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[22:09] <WillTablet> Upu is the technique to put a blob of solder onto one pad, and then solder the on side of the resistor into it?
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[22:12] <DL1SGP> Hej Brian
[22:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hej
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[22:14] <Dove3_henry> OZ1SKY_Brian: sounds fun
[22:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Its a EPIRB transponder, but its wider than the EPIRB frequency range, so other stuff gets over it now and then
[22:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> like this http://digitalinfo.dk/diverse/1544565.wav
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[22:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all
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[23:50] <Laurenceb__> http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a554871.pdf
[23:52] Action: SpeedEvil wishes he could properly fund Laurenceb to do fun stuff.
[23:53] <Laurenceb__> heh
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[23:53] <SpeedEvil> Also - I do wonder what LeoBodnar would do with inexpensive space launch.
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[23:57] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: Interesting.
[23:58] <Laurenceb__> yeah i was thinking for cubesat earth escape
[23:58] <Laurenceb__> rather simpler than storage
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[23:59] <SpeedEvil> Decouples the thrust from radiation
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