highaltitude.log.20131118

[00:00] <RocketBoy> actually IIRC in the UK you only need an EORI if the goods value is several hundred euro
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[00:03] <DL7AD> i think the limitiation is something around 20 euro in germany
[00:05] <DL7AD> when you have a look to b-30's trajectory, you could think it's drunk.
[00:05] <LeoBodnar> What shall we do with a drunken sailor early in the morning?
[00:05] <DL7AD> :D
[00:06] <DL7AD> "eine tracht prügel" unfortunately i dont know the translation
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander_> hit him
[00:07] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[00:08] <DL7AD> upwards
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[00:09] <DL7AD> aber auf deutsch hört sich das besser an Lunar_Lander_ ^^
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander_> night!
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander_> ja :)
[00:10] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander_: gn9
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[00:16] <db_g6gzh_> No sign of APRS yet. I guess the fencing approximation doesn't really allow for the indentation of The Wash.
[00:19] <DL7AD> it does not want to be seen
[00:20] <DL7AD> *when it takes a bath
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[00:23] <LeoBodnar> yeah, the Wash is glanced over
[00:24] <arko> wonder how long its going to spend in the ocean
[00:26] <db_g6gzh_> hopefully above
[00:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> gm Leo
[00:35] <LeoBodnar> gm Herman-PB0AHX
[00:35] <LeoBodnar> and good night gents :D
[00:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> LeoBodnar B30 is til flying wow very nice
[00:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> stil
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[00:36] <LeoBodnar_afk> "flying" is a bit of a stretch
[00:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes but very nice
[00:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok i go to sleep now gn all
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[01:15] <DL7AD> b-30 sent aprs packets
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[01:24] <DL7AD> good night
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[06:25] <DL7AD_> morning
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[06:58] <Reb-SM3ULC> morning
[06:58] <Reb-SM3ULC> b-30 finally had the guts to fly out..
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[07:09] <DL7AD> /msg NickServ identify 8heKjbuN
[07:09] <Upu_M0UPU> time to change your password
[07:10] <DL7AD> yep
[07:10] <arko> hahaha
[07:10] <DL7AD_> how did this happen?
[07:11] <Upu_M0UPU> PEBKAC
[07:12] <DL7AD_> but its a not very used password ;) for important things im using other passwords
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[07:12] <nosebleedkt> hi all :D
[07:12] <DL7AD_> morning nosebleedkt
[07:12] <nosebleedkt> how is life?
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[07:24] <DL7AD> is LeoBodnar_afk still afk?
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[07:40] <DL1SGP> good morning everyone
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[07:48] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: morning
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[07:54] <DL7AD> if B-30 will not reach denmark until this evening, it would be hit by rain over the northsea.
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[08:05] <jarod> hmm wonder if i can receive that :D
[08:05] <jarod> what freq is it on exactly now?
[08:06] <jarod> Oh its very low :(
[08:09] <fsphil> it was in a slow fall for a while
[08:10] <DL7AD> it falls everytime again when it reaches the cloud layer
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[08:43] <Laurenceb__> http://www.arhab.org/#
[08:43] <Laurenceb__> needs more B balloons submitting :P
[08:44] <DL1SGP> morning Laurenceb__
[08:44] <Laurenceb__> hi
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[08:44] <Laurenceb__> B-30 still flying !
[08:45] <DL1SGP> indeed, hopping down to clouds, then climbs up again, quite fun... quite slow, making 20km/h right now :)
[08:46] <fsphil> snow forecast here overnight. woo :)
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[08:49] <DL1SGP> snow, great
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[08:50] <DL1SGP> morning LeoBodnar
[08:50] <LeoBodnar> moin moin
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[08:56] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: moin moin
[08:56] <DL7AD> :D
[08:56] <DL7AD> its going up like an elevator
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[09:18] <DL7AD> blub
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[09:45] <Reb-SM3ULC>
[09:45] <hackvana> B-30's been chasing its pop point for hours :-)
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[09:49] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_AFK -> Steve_G0TDJ
[09:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> 'Morning Guys :D
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[09:59] <DL1SGP> Morning Steve_G0TDJ
[09:59] <DL1SGP> mornign hackvana
[09:59] <DL1SGP> morning Reb-SM3ULC
[09:59] <Reb-SM3ULC> :)
[10:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> Anyone have the url for registering possible tracker-info? Have a few swedes that want to register..
[10:01] <DL1SGP> you mean a flightdoc?
[10:02] <DL1SGP> habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[10:02] <DL1SGP> I think that is what you are looking for :)
[10:03] <Reb-SM3ULC> sorry, no registering user-info for paging about incoming balloons
[10:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> it was pasted here a ew days ago, but can't find in scrollbacl
[10:05] <hackvana> DL1SGP: Hi!
[10:05] <hackvana> Steve_G0TDJ: Hi
[10:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Guys
[10:07] <Reb-SM3ULC> ah, this one ok? http://dl7ad.de/hab_contacts/user.php
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[10:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: i've posted this on ham-se-forum, for reg of trackers, ok? http://dl7ad.de/hab_contacts/user.php#new
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[10:18] <DL7AD> Reb-SM3ULC: yeah cool :)
[10:19] <DL7AD> Reb-SM3ULC: the program and link will change soon because we wanna create a complete new one which has more functionalities. but we're going to transfer all contacts into the new system
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[10:39] <Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL
[10:39] Action: Laurenceb approves
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[10:41] <Laurenceb> https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/blob/master/videocoreiv.arch
[10:42] <adamgreig> a bad idea for an actual license if you want anyone else to actually be able to do things
[10:42] <adamgreig> just use BSD, it's a real license
[10:43] <eroomde> hello irssi my good friend
[10:44] <nats`> hi
[10:44] <nats`> is it correct to consider the gate of a FET as a capacitor connected to the source in UHF ?
[10:44] <nats`> (and only a capacitor)
[10:44] <DL7AD_> adamgreig: if you dont care about... sometimes things are so simple, you dont want to look for the right license for an hour.
[10:44] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: there's also the mailing list where most launches get announced http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas (although not all of Leo's)
[10:45] <adamgreig> DL7AD_: that's when you use the BSD :P
[10:48] <DL7AD_> okay... is there a license which does not allow to name the original source? rofl....
[10:49] <adamgreig> I don't think there is such a license :P
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[11:23] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: of course, just added that link so people can add their email in case of tracking-needed
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[11:58] <DL7AD_> blub
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[11:59] <x-f> blib
[12:00] <x-f> MH on the North of NL is getting slightly corrupt partials from B-30
[12:01] Action: Reb-SM3ULC hopes it survives
[12:02] <x-f> yeah, prediction shows it going straight over you
[12:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> yes :)
[12:05] Action: Reb-SM3ULC more prepared. yagi to sw and dipol running.
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[12:06] <DL1SGP> great Reb-SM3ULC
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[13:17] <Reb-SM3ULC> Any news on the B-30?
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[13:17] <DL7AD> nope
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[13:19] <Reb-SM3ULC> oh, missed the point 13:17
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[13:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> Incoing data, no recivers?
[13:25] Action: Reb-SM3ULC has char-loss
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[13:36] <DL7AD> Reb-SM3ULC: its receive by local aprs stations.
[13:36] <DL7AD> Reb-SM3ULC: it will reach OZ1SKY as next station
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[13:39] <WillDuckworth> has anyone flown a NTX2 without the metal casing?
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[13:40] <newbie> B-30
[13:40] <newbie> Time: 2013-11-18 13:30:54
[13:40] <newbie> Position: 55.3114,5.4556
[13:40] <newbie> Altitude: 5333 m
[13:40] <newbie> Temperature: -11C
[13:40] <newbie> Battery: 3.76 V
[13:40] <newbie> Date: 131118
[13:40] <newbie> Satellites: 5
[13:40] <newbie> Solar Panel: 0.56
[13:40] <newbie> Receivers: PE2WWM
[13:40] <newbie>
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[13:40] <DL7AD> WillDuckworth: propaply Upu or daveakerman did before
[13:41] <craag> Yeah Upu's certainly taken the casing off before, I think without ill effect. It only saves about a gram or so though.
[13:42] <WillDuckworth> cool - thought that might be the case
[13:43] <mfa298> gonzo or RocketBoy might have as well (although i think RocketBoy mostly uses something else)
[13:44] <Laurenceb> nice
[13:44] <Laurenceb> no doubt OZ1SKy will have it soon
[13:45] <Laurenceb> wow
[13:45] <UpuWork> I've disabled APRS import
[13:45] <Laurenceb> has it already
[13:45] <UpuWork> so PE2WWM telemetry is updating
[13:45] <Laurenceb> crazy
[13:45] <Laurenceb> OZ1SKy has it about 50miles over the horizon
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[13:50] <DL7AD> Laurenceb: he's informed about b-30 and waiting for it
[13:51] <craag> DL7AD: He's already decoding it :)
[13:51] <Laurenceb> looks like persistent cloud layer at 6Km
[13:51] <Laurenceb> interesting that its still there
[13:52] <DL7AD> there is a layer at FL180
[13:57] <DL7AD> its raning in denmark
[13:58] <fsphil> that fits
[13:58] <newbie> I´m waiting for it, hopefully its here later tonight :)
[13:58] <DL1SGP> fingers crossed, newbie
[13:59] <newbie> i´m new to this irc so, lets se how to chnge name --sa6bss
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[13:59] <sa6bss> test
[14:00] <DL1SGP> passed
[14:00] <sa6bss> :)
[14:02] <Laurenceb> log coming up?
[14:02] <DL1SGP> should be the case
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[14:05] <DutchMillbt> Nice work! OZ1SKY, PE2WWM
[14:05] <Laurenceb> doesnt look like log
[14:05] <Laurenceb> next hour?
[14:06] <DL1SGP> Laurenceb: I think there is a filter which prevents the log being put into the map by now :) (epoch-date)
[14:06] <Laurenceb> ah
[14:06] <DL1SGP> not sure though
[14:06] <DL1SGP> but it worked that way during the apst few flights
[14:07] <DL1SGP> do not ask me which one it started with there are too many
[14:07] <DL1SGP> I keep losing track :D
[14:07] <Laurenceb> where is the graphs site?
[14:07] <Laurenceb> i wanted to look at altitude history
[14:11] <craag> Laurenceb: http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/f97804291eed7e4dca7d2f932aafcf8f#g/altitude
[14:12] <Laurenceb> aha
[14:12] <Laurenceb> thanks
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[14:18] <Hix> Got my 40Mb fibre installed at last :) Sky router uses MER and doesn't allow port forwarding despite it being an option in the setup :/
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[14:23] <Hix> does anyone have Sky fibre by any chance?
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[14:31] <fsphil> the log should get added to the map ok
[14:31] <fsphil> though it might need refreshed
[14:32] <fsphil> the problem before was the log not containing the date
[14:32] <fsphil> the date is in the string now, and I don't think it sends data for previous days anymore anyway
[14:37] <ve6ts> wow fiber, that is nice... we don't have that available to homes here
[14:37] <Hix> would be nice if it did what it was supposed to :/
[14:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: Doh, of course it was aprs.. local cache had timed out...
[14:39] <LeoBodnar> B-30 log will not transmit until there is enough power available, it has been without proper sunlight for almost two days now and struggling to charge the battery
[14:40] <jphoglund> will it switch to aprs later on?
[14:40] <LeoBodnar> it is on APRS now
[14:40] <jphoglund> ok
[14:40] <LeoBodnar> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FM0XER-9&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[14:40] <jphoglund> right
[14:40] <jphoglund> thanks
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[14:41] <UpuWork> I've turned APRS import off for the moment
[14:45] <wd8mnv> B-30 is making a run for Ikea : )
[14:46] <Reb-SM3ULC> :)
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[14:46] <Reb-SM3ULC> Or at least danish smorebrod
[14:51] <PE2G> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/136602_trj001.gif
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[15:01] <DL7AD> hm anyway.... log is not necessary now :)
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[15:04] <jcoxon> hey all
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[15:05] <sa6bss> @Reb-SM3ULC shold make an announcement on the forum informing incoming balloon
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[15:10] <Reb-SM3ULC> sa6bss: right, it's alls yours.. :)
[15:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> sa6bss: or, i can do it...
[15:12] <Reb-SM3ULC> sa6bss: deon
[15:12] <DL7AD> :D
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[15:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> Can't explain the lack of corect spelling today. I blame my WLAN.
[15:16] <fsphil> dem 2.4ghz in ur head
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[15:20] <sa6bss> saw your post, perfect !
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[15:25] <sa6bss> I got a new uhf 16db tv antenna in the garage, anyone knowing if it provide any gain in the 435, as they are made to work from 470 and up, well I probably make run for it
[15:26] <eroomde> you could simulate it in NEC
[15:27] <sa6bss> no, I more of a try and se guy :)
[15:28] <mfa298> even if it's not got much gain, it might remove some of the noise to the sides and rear
[15:28] <la3eq> nothing received so far from B-30...
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[15:29] <sa6bss> ok, hopefully I can try it later tonight or tomorrow.
[15:32] <PE2G> B-30 passed at ~200 km from the Ekosfisk 12UTC sounding
[15:32] <PE2G> http://weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?region=europe&TYPE=TEXT%3ALIST&YEAR=2013&MONTH=11&FROM=1812&TO=1812&STNM=01400
[15:33] <PE2G> From the sea surface to ~3250 m RELH is high
[15:34] <PE2G> Between 3250 and 4670 m is a fairly dry layer
[15:35] <fsphil> is there a preferred place to get polystyrene sheets in the uk?
[15:36] <fsphil> I finally ran out of the sheet I started with in 2010 :)
[15:36] <mattbrejza> nearest diy shop
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[15:37] <fsphil> nearest might be 50km. will have to check
[15:38] <mattbrejza> hmm
[15:38] <mattbrejza> last time we went to get some one of us cycled it back
[15:38] <fsphil> there is a building supplier but they've nothing online. will give them a call
[15:38] <mattbrejza> i do not recommend doing this though
[15:39] <mattbrejza> it was mostly through the common too
[15:39] <fsphil> go fast enough and you'd take to the air :)
[15:39] <mattbrejza> well if it catches the wind youd take to the floor...
[15:39] <fsphil> depends how you hold it :)
[15:40] <PE2G> At the current alt of 5400 m, it may well be in layer with 100% RELH, which means icing
[15:40] <mattbrejza> it was under one arm
[15:40] <fsphil> well, the ground is a certainty eventually
[15:40] <mattbrejza> indeed
[15:41] <PE2G> Hopefully it dries up in the dry layer below 4670 m
[15:42] <PE2G> I think this also happened last night
[15:44] <PE2G> Which is an encouraging thought for the coming part of the flight
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[16:00] <mfa298> fsphil: you could always join the latest craze and visit hobby craft for one of their polystyrene boxes (or cat/bear/gnome/owl)
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[16:02] <mattbrejza> or egg
[16:02] <daveake> :-). Those little boxes are a good size for a Pi payload, and the eggs fit them too
[16:03] <mfa298> daveake: when you tested the pi in the box was that with standard sd card and standard headers (usb) ?
[16:04] <daveake> No, I used a micro SD adapter
[16:04] <daveake> Left the USB on there
[16:04] <mfa298> my model-a with no mods and standard sd card is about 2mm too big
[16:04] <mfa298> that would explain things then.
[16:04] <daveake> Yeah standard SD card makes it too big, and is probably a bad idea anyway
[16:04] <daveake> Too easy to bend the card or break the socket
[16:04] <daveake> btdt got the dead pi
[16:05] <mfa298> I shall have to invest in a suitable microsd holder and card.
[16:05] <daveake> So for Pi payloads I've switched over to using micro SD cards now
[16:05] <daveake> Yeah, some are flush some not
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[16:05] <daveake> I prefer the ones where the SD card pushes in sideways
[16:06] <daveake> otherwise one push on the end and the micro SD card releases
[16:06] <mfa298> with the idea of using a usb wifi for launch video the size shouldn't be an issue as I'd be making a hole for the wifi anyway.
[16:06] <daveake> ok
[16:06] <daveake> Oh, that reminds me, I ordered a couple of those wifi dongles with external aerials
[16:07] <daveake> Be interesting to see how long those maintain a link for
[16:07] <mfa298> I need to sort out some range tests and see how it works. I've found some locations at around .7/1.2/2 km from my flat with line of sight
[16:08] <mfa298> I've got a 12dBi patch antenna I was going to try on the ground end.
[16:08] <gonzo_> using an external LNA/PA on the ground segment may improve things a lot
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[16:09] <daveake> On my hols once, in an RV in the USA, the campsite wifi went down so I plugged in a USB wlan adapter with a large aerial on it. Picked up a signal from over a mile away
[16:09] <gonzo_> mfa298, is that one of the kent pcb patches, from sam DDK?
[16:09] <mfa298> I managed to do raspivid -> ffmpeg -> network -> ffmpeg -> batc the other day but that was wired network rather than wifi, wifi is the next bit.
[16:09] <fsphil> mfa298: my nearest store is in Glasgow :)
[16:09] <daveake> I have raspvid --> ffmpeg --> batc running over a wifi link to a mifi dongle
[16:09] <daveake> works well
[16:10] <mfa298> gonzo_: it's one I got years ago from solwise (a couple of metal plates with pcb spacers from what I remember)
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[16:11] <gonzo_> have a look at g4ddk website, he has some pbc antennas from kent britton. they are pretty good. Has a 4patch ant for 2.4ghz. I've used them a lot. Make useful dish feeds for low power too
[16:11] <gonzo_> pcb
[16:12] <mfa298> gonzo_: this is what I've got currently http://www.solwise.co.uk/wireless-outdoorantenna-24-panel-12pn.htm - bought to try and get a wifi link going for an event ~5 years ago so have a pair -but it might be a tad big/heavy to fly!
[16:12] <fsphil> a patch panel without the enclosure and heavy socket might work
[16:13] <fsphil> for wifi you'd want most of the power going downwards
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[16:13] <fsphil> and something similar on the chase car roof
[16:13] <fsphil> wonder if that'd work
[16:13] <fsphil> probably not enough gain
[16:14] <gonzo_> http://www.wa5vjb.com/
[16:14] <fsphil> polarisation might be a problem
[16:14] <mfa298> interestingly solwise appear to have a RH circular version of what I've got now, put a linear polarized patch on the payload pointing down and a circ polarised on the car roof pointing up could be interesting.
[16:14] <gonzo_> a 4 patch antenna on a mesh dish would be great
[16:14] <fsphil> oooh
[16:15] <gonzo_> you could make a small helix for the flight ant
[16:15] <fsphil> helix might have too little gain
[16:15] <gonzo_> but you would have to stay under the balloon all the way
[16:15] <mfa298> could probably make something cheaper than the solwise ones as well, the design isn't hard
[16:16] <gonzo_> a 5 turn helox, made from wire, on a foil greflector, would be useable
[16:16] <jcoxon> b-30 is slowly losing altitude
[16:17] <gonzo_> and a bigger helix for mobile end. Or a small helix feeding a dish
[16:17] <gonzo_> (if you want lots of good info on 2.4ghz dish feeds using helix, G6LVB site is worth a look-see
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[16:20] <mfa298> this is the innards of the solwise patch antenna https://www.dropbox.com/s/0br55zxcox8snkk/2013-11-18%2016.17.54.jpg
[16:20] <mfa298> probably not that hard to make something similar (although might need some protection in case of fast landings)
[16:22] Action: mfa298 wonders if most peoples wifi is horizontal or vertical (and how much wifi I can see)
[16:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: more or less 100% of routers have vertical antennas
[16:26] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: that's the assumption I'm making
[16:26] <mfa298> although I'm not seeing much more wifi with the 12dBi patch antenna than I get with the built in wifi.
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[16:27] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: how long cable?
[16:28] <mfa298> about 1m
[16:28] <gonzo_> the pcb antennas arwe going to be much lighter and about £6 each from sam
[16:29] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: ah, not so much dampening then
[16:30] <mfa298> I've used a similar setup before and saw a wireless network from ~4km away - but it wasn't a good enough connection to connect to.
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[16:47] <eroomde> I like alan's comminiqués
[16:47] <eroomde> they answer more questions than they ask
[16:49] <eroomde> communiqués*
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[16:58] <Willdude123> eroomde, I'm making slow but steady progress on the Udacity web development cours
[16:58] <Willdude123> *course
[16:58] <Andrew_M6GTG> anyone noticed that the front of the new Radcom clearly shows Santa breaking the terms of his licence and broadcast while airbourne?
[16:59] <Willdude123> Interesting
[17:00] <Willdude123> https://www.udacity.com/success
[17:00] <DL1SGP> heh that american put his 40m beacon right between the russian letter stations
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[17:00] <eroomde> Willdude123: good stuff
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[17:12] <S_Mark> Hi all, got a quick question - for the first two launches I used one Jumbo 9m3 helium tank which easily did two 1000g balloons. What are your experiences of using a medium 3.6m3 tank to do just one Hwoyee 1000g balloon? Using the burst calculator the launch volume is coming in around 3.5m3 which seems a little close for comfort. Should the medium be fine and I ignore the numbers, or would you recommend
[17:12] <S_Mark> the jumbp
[17:12] <S_Mark> jumbo
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[17:13] <eroomde> that's cutting it a bit fine
[17:14] <S_Mark> in your experience is the burst calculator correct more often than not? To be honest the first couple of times I didnt really look at launch volumes etc, I just used the neck lift test
[17:14] <eroomde> yes, although there's obviously an amount of variability introduced by manufacturing tolerances between balloons and so on
[17:15] <eroomde> if you are really aiming to nail some ascent rate then trust it
[17:15] <eroomde> if it doesn't matter and you can cope with having less He in, then go for it
[17:16] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[17:16] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[17:16] <eroomde> you won't get all the He out of the balloon because the regulator needs a pressure drop across it in order to function
[17:16] <eroomde> so at the point that the regulator stops working, there will still be some higher pressure than ambient inside the tank
[17:16] <jarod> You guys need to make a system like ads-b, one frequency, not floating, then you can have more static receivers :)
[17:16] <eroomde> no jarod
[17:16] <S_Mark> hmmm not really, having it drift around is not ideal for the coming weather, need it up and down in a short standard period, no float! Yeah thats another thing I thought about - not all the gas
[17:17] <S_Mark> shame they dont make something around 6m3
[17:17] <eroomde> yep
[17:17] <eroomde> also if you fill quickly then the gas in the bottle cools
[17:17] <eroomde> which means more helium left inside for a given internal pressure
[17:17] <eroomde> jarod: ADS-B is terrifying insecure
[17:18] <eroomde> a lot of aeroplane standards are
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[17:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXv1j3GbgLk
[17:18] <mattbrejza> tbh domex on 434.5 1% DC is pretty much all you need :P
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> is fun
[17:18] <jarod> no i mean like it... in a way you can just run a receiver on 1 freq
[17:18] <x-f> he said "like ADS-B" and there is - APRS
[17:18] <S_Mark> alright well guess that solves it.
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> (on the ADS-B insecurity)
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[17:18] <SpeedEvil> ADS-B and the collision avoidance thing are trivially hacked
[17:19] <Upu> S_Mark use H2
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> collision avoidance slightly less so
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> But only slightly.
[17:19] <x-f> hi, Brian
[17:19] <eroomde> it was the collision avoidance thing that seemed like the obvious hack to me
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> Nothing is authenticated - there are only CRC type things.
[17:19] <mattbrejza> Upu: you managed to get H2 through a H&S risk assessment yet?
[17:19] <S_Mark> Upu: yeah that was another thought for sure
[17:19] <eroomde> you could pretty much take control of an airliner within 15km of you
[17:19] <S_Mark> regulator required?
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: the other nasty part is that some people are advocating removing radars.
[17:20] <gonzo_> the problem is the freq acuracy needed for the narrow bandwidth modes we use. Not easy to get every balloon calibrated and stable enough
[17:20] <Upu> a what mattbrejza ?
[17:20] <eroomde> S_Mark: yes use a regulator always
[17:20] <S_Mark> where do you guys source your H2?
[17:20] <mattbrejza> ill take that as a no :P
[17:20] <Upu> BoC S_Mark
[17:20] <eroomde> it's a bit safer
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: and what do you do if ten thousand random aircraft hit your airspace.
[17:20] <eroomde> Air Products were slightly cheaper on H2 for us
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[17:21] <SpeedEvil> Hydrogen for non-floaters is pretty much safe if you take limited precautions.
[17:21] <Upu> Basically mattbrejza our assement was "Dave do you think this is safe?" "We'll soon find out"
[17:21] <eroomde> which is useful, as next year we're using about 120x 9m^3 bottles a week
[17:21] <Upu> so I ticked the box and we launched the balloon
[17:21] <mattbrejza> yea not so simple for us
[17:21] <mattbrejza> which is why someone is after firesuits...
[17:21] <Upu> as long as your H&S guy is Daveake you should be ok
[17:21] <Upu> lol
[17:22] Action: SpeedEvil imagines the typo 'I was wondering why we are all wearing dog costumes'.
[17:22] <mattbrejza> we've already managed to change H&S proceedures once
[17:22] <jarod> B-30 is now exactly where my ADS-B reach goes.... only at FL400 :)
[17:22] <mattbrejza> so unfortinately thats not gonna happen
[17:25] <eroomde> firesuits for using hydrogen?
[17:25] <mattbrejza> yea...
[17:25] <eroomde> it's not napalm
[17:25] <eroomde> just wear goggles and long sleeves
[17:25] <mattbrejza> someone was going to look into it
[17:26] <eroomde> hydrogen fire won't really burn you, especially if it's a balloon going off, but it emits a lot of IR
[17:26] <eroomde> that scares me more
[17:26] <mattbrejza> well the issue was the burning latex rather than the hydrogen
[17:26] <eroomde> run away
[17:27] <mattbrejza> so how much IR?
[17:27] <eroomde> depends on how well mixed
[17:27] <eroomde> not much if in a balloon
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> 1/r^2 as r->infinity. My favourite sort of shielding.
[17:27] <eroomde> it's havin it all pool in the roof of our firing bay that is my concern
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[17:27] <mattbrejza> oh right
[17:27] <eroomde> but it tends to burn up and away on a balloon
[17:28] <mattbrejza> someone suggested that there was enough IR to burn (found hard to believe)
[17:28] <eroomde> but the long sleeves would be to shield your arms from the wors of it
[17:28] <mattbrejza> and face?
[17:28] <eroomde> assuming the arm was holding the balloon
[17:28] <eroomde> google/face mask
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> It's basically closely anologous to a bonfire of the baloons diameter for a second or three
[17:28] <eroomde> goggles*
[17:28] <bertrik> IR, as in bad for your eyes, or bad for accidentally igniting nearby things?
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> with some added thrown around latex
[17:28] <eroomde> accidently igniting nearby things
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> ^on fire latex
[17:28] <eroomde> it's not like a bonfire, there's much more IR
[17:28] <S_Mark> you guys are really selling the H2 idea
[17:29] <eroomde> it's safe
[17:29] <eroomde> filling your car with petrol is scarier, to me
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> Quite.
[17:29] <BrainDamage> just don't use a stochiometrix mix of H2+O2 as filler gas
[17:29] <eroomde> yes
[17:29] <eroomde> don't do that
[17:29] <mattbrejza> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQvpK9cl0No
[17:29] <eroomde> compustion won't happen between micture ratios of i think 5 and 95%
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[17:29] <SpeedEvil> I should probably point out hydrogen will burn in air from 4% to 95%
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> Or I should just assume Ed will say that first.
[17:30] <mattbrejza> so to get past H&S, we'll need some full body covering, just need to find something light and cheap
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> But - 5% of air in a balloon is a hell of a lot.
[17:30] <eroomde> it is
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> For a 1m diameter balloon, it's 30cm or so diameter of air.
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> Just ensure it's empty first.
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[17:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> mattbrejza Hi, im having some problems with the HAB tracker app
[17:32] <mattbrejza> ok
[17:32] <mattbrejza> fire away
[17:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> The balloon icon is stuck in africa
[17:33] <S_Mark> can someone also remind me of the hourly predictor edit page url
[17:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> for B-30
[17:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> But the trace is where it should be
[17:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ground trace
[17:33] <mattbrejza> oh weird
[17:34] <mattbrejza> some GPS formats arnt supported but clearly its being able to understand it to some extendt
[17:34] <mattbrejza> t
[17:34] <mattbrejza> ill have a look when i get home
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[17:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> But the data is also wrong, reading now Time:18:32:29, thats ok, but LAT:0,013112 LON:0,00006 is down there. Also altitude 7m, max:7m and ascent rate 0m/s
[17:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Like its not getting the data right. But the predict is correct
[17:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Doing a refresh is not helping
[17:36] <mattbrejza> oh right
[17:38] <mattbrejza> yea its because the app can be used offline it needs to be able to parse the sentences without an internet connection, and therefore a payload doc
[17:38] <mattbrejza> which means it only supports common formats
[17:38] <mattbrejza> and leo sends the date
[17:38] <mattbrejza> which confuses it
[17:38] <mattbrejza> it really needs to cache the payload docs and use them when it can
[17:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh ok i see, so my phoen is not broken then :-)
[17:40] <mattbrejza> yea it should really check the sanity of parsed strings and give a warning
[17:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> phone
[17:40] <mattbrejza> ill put it on the git issues list lol
[17:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol ok Matt
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[17:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-30 seems to be loosing alt
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[17:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DL1SGP Hi, do you have any contact info for the tracker that once showed up near "Skive" in Denmark?
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[17:47] <mfa298> jarod: your radio reach is likely to depend on how high the thing you're tracking is. As B-30 is much lower than standard aircraft cruise height the area it can be heard is smaller.
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[17:49] Nick change: pericynthion -> DOVE3_henry
[17:49] Nick change: DOVE3_henry -> Dove3_henry
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[17:56] <eroomde> Dove3_henry: another flight?
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[17:59] <Dove3_henry> eroomde: two on the Dnepr this Thursday
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[18:00] <Dove3_henry> how are you doing?
[18:00] <eroomde> Dove3_henry: excellent. more tests? I'm doing well
[18:00] <eroomde> have done a couple of test firings today
[18:01] <eroomde> i like the awkward non-smile
[18:01] <eroomde> whoops wrong window
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[18:03] <Dove3_henry> eroomde: of your hovering contraption?
[18:03] <eroomde> nope, something else
[18:03] <eroomde> wierd propellants
[18:04] <Dove3_henry> oh, interesting...
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[18:07] <eroomde> interesting indeed, but something for in-person chat
[18:08] <eroomde> are you back over xmas Dove3_henry ?
[18:08] <Dove3_henry> not this time, but I'll probably be over sometime in Jan or Feb
[18:10] <eroomde> ok
[18:10] <arko> Dove3_henry: you do rockets too?
[18:10] <eroomde> Dove3_henry is who i stayed with in SF and whose VariEze dropped me in LA!
[18:10] <arko> oh awesome!
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[18:11] <arko> that henry
[18:11] <eroomde> yes
[18:11] <Dove3_henry> only an amateur interest in rockets, so far.. mostly satellites atm
[18:11] <arko> :) cool
[18:11] <Dove3_henry> arko: are you a rocket man yourself?
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[18:12] <arko> nice! I have a big interest, but mostly electronics
[18:12] <arko> oddly enough, jpl doesnt do much p
[18:12] <arko> or j
[18:12] <arko> but a lot ol
[18:13] <arko> of l*
[18:13] <arko> eroomde does the fun stuff
[18:14] <arko> Dove3_henry: im in los angeles, working at jpl almost full time and school part time, doing habs for fun
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[18:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening :-)
[18:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv
[18:14] <arko> yes! maven!
[18:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> T - 04:00
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[18:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi Tom, is that the cube launch?
[18:15] <Dove3_henry> arko: very cool
[18:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah no its now
[18:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not
[18:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-30 still going up, nice
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[18:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: no, they are launching MAVEN - to Mars
[18:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[18:24] <eroomde> would be fun to lob some cubesats to mars too
[18:24] <eroomde> would give aricebo soethng to do
[18:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> it would be extremly expensive
[18:24] <eroomde> yes
[18:25] <eroomde> lucky researchers
[18:25] <fsphil> mars amateur repeater
[18:25] <fsphil> bet they still talk about illness
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[18:25] <eroomde> the longest distance conversation about hemorrhoid cream in the history of humanity
[18:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> P5A if thats ever get launched
[18:26] <eroomde> yes that would be wonderful
[18:26] <fsphil> yea
[18:26] <fsphil> oooh 1:30
[18:26] <fsphil> bet they hold at 1:00
[18:27] <fsphil> nope
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[18:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Jamie dont want big boom
[18:28] <Dove3_henry> whoosh
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[18:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wow did it swerve to the left at start up?
[18:29] <fsphil> cloud
[18:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looked like it
[18:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Look out B-30
[18:31] <fsphil> ustream's died
[18:31] <qyx_> still online here
[18:31] <fsphil> back
[18:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil still working here
[18:31] <qyx_> there vere some outages during the launch
[18:31] <qyx_> were
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[18:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no data
[18:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah back
[18:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gone
[18:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> buggy
[18:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> acceleration in ft/sec^2 looks weird :-)
[18:35] <fsphil> wonder what datarate they have to this
[18:35] <Dove3_henry> 50 baud 2-FSK, right?
[18:35] <fsphil> I imagine there's a crap load of FEC data
[18:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> They should but a hab tracker on it
[18:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> put
[18:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: they have as good listeners network as this in Poland ;-)
[18:36] <Dove3_henry> sometime I would really like to try either tracking HABs from one of our satellites, or having the satellite transmite in HAB format
[18:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> they got tdrss, hard to beat that :-)
[18:37] <fsphil> either would be awesome Dove3_henry :)
[18:37] <Dove3_henry> I am pretty sure the latter would work, but we'd need to file for an experimental radio license
[18:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> i want to launch an pico which is transmitting at 2 meters on input frequency of amateur satelite
[18:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dont point the antenna down than, hi
[18:39] <bertrik> but the average cubesat is on a relatively low orbit, 100 min, only visible 10 minutes or so at a time, right?
[18:39] <Dove3_henry> bertrik: yes, that's why you build 30 of them
[18:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> bertrik: right
[18:40] <fsphil> 300 baud ssdv, you'd get a full image in 5 minutes
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[18:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DL1SGP did you contact the swedes?
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[18:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-30 still in ascent
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[18:49] <sa6bss> I´m here and I know ulc is :9
[18:49] <DL1SGP> OZ1SKY_Brian: Hej Brian, no I did not contact them :D
[18:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sa6bss perfect
[18:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DL1SGP no problem :-)
[18:50] <arko> heh mars cubesats
[18:50] <DL1SGP> But - as far as I remember - there was activity by our friend Reb-SM3ULC :)
[18:50] <sa6bss> we made a request at the forum we will see if anybody more pops up
[18:50] <fsphil> 10mw to mars could work, right? :)
[18:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sa6bss there where someone near Göteborg also?
[18:50] <fsphil> might need a slightly large antenna
[18:51] <arko> fsphil: lol
[18:51] <fsphil> but that's just details
[18:51] <sa6bss> yes wzi I think
[18:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sa6bss what forum?
[18:51] <DL1SGP> and in December I gonna have a car, so make sure your kettle is working properly once I am near OZ1SKY_Brian *hihi*
[18:51] <arko> i wonder if you could do a super slow ion drive there
[18:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DL1SGP sounds good, your welcome to stop by
[18:51] <sa6bss> in borås, hopefully he gets online again
[18:52] <sa6bss> www.ham.se
[18:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sa6bss ok very good. SK7MW should join in too, hi
[18:52] <sa6bss> ok :)
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[18:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> they could do OTH tracking, hi
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[19:02] Action: Reb-SM3ULC returns
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> What was the result of the NASA experiment "say hi to something" recently on one of ham bands?
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[19:02] <fsphil> last I heard the probe reset
[19:03] <eroomde> people talking about back pain?
[19:03] <craag> LeoBodnar: It crashed it
[19:03] <craag> Put it to sleep - what morse does to me as well!
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> So was it intended outcome?
[19:03] <craag> no..
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[19:04] <craag> But it uncovered a bug - so served a purpose!
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[19:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> too bad AFC is not working in domex mode
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[19:08] <arko> LeoBodnar: they are still analyzing the data
[19:08] <Upu> Anyone had a listen for that US balloon ?
[19:08] <Upu> CW 28.219 MHz
[19:08] <Upu> CW 7.03935 MHz
[19:08] <DL1SGP> yes Upu not hearing it here though
[19:08] <Upu> ok
[19:08] <Upu> I lack the antenna
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> Message said it is afloat for 36 hours, is it confirmed or a guess?
[19:08] Action: SP9UOB-Tom is tunning in
[19:09] <DL1SGP> for the 40m QRG it is a bit tricky as it is in midst of the russian letter beacons
[19:09] <DL1SGP> LeoBodnar: it has not been heard for a while, so I consider a guess
[19:09] <arko> Upu where in the US?
[19:09] <Upu> well its not meant to be in the US anymore they think its coming this way
[19:09] <Upu> but its only transmitting CW
[19:09] <Upu> no APRS
[19:09] <fsphil> no gps
[19:09] <fsphil> haha
[19:10] <Upu> seriously ?
[19:10] <Upu> lol
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[19:10] <DL1SGP> arko Rochester, NY is the QTH of the bloke that started it
[19:10] <fsphil> I think so, unless I've mixed up my launches again
[19:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> none
[19:10] <arko> ah ok
[19:11] <LeoBodnar> Have they done crossings before? It is quite a bold statement it is afloat and coming around.
[19:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: SEBA5 was most of the time tracked by radio triangulation :-)
[19:11] <DL1SGP> without any indicator of altitude they would never know if it floated at all, could have slow ascent and quick descent
[19:13] <Upu> the only person to successfully float TA was Ron K6RPT
[19:13] <fsphil> twice
[19:14] <fsphil> Dan got really close
[19:14] <Upu> he was using the Hwoyees when they were embued with lots of woo woo
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[19:14] <Upu> yeah
[19:14] <Upu> just a little too complex
[19:14] <eroomde> sad that a golden age can die like that
[19:14] <eroomde> yes dan did get close
[19:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> embued?
[19:14] <eroomde> he used A Lot Of Engineering
[19:14] <Upu> it was using the Hwoyees when they were doing wierd stuff
[19:14] <Upu> like not bursting for 3 days
[19:14] <eroomde> probably to the detriment of launch rate / data gathering
[19:14] <Upu> and getting to 44km
[19:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> ahh
[19:15] <eroomde> but his approach is probably more reliable and repeatable than relying on freak latex balloons
[19:15] <fsphil> definitly
[19:15] <Upu> absolutely
[19:15] <fsphil> and it can carry a more interesting payload
[19:15] <eroomde> yes, very much more
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[19:16] <Upu> as the risk of demeaning what Ron did
[19:16] <Upu> he took a off the shelf tracker
[19:16] <Upu> had the balls to use H2
[19:16] <Upu> and let it go
[19:17] <eroomde> stochastic approach
[19:17] <Upu> his filling rig was good
[19:17] <fsphil> wonder if he ever got the second one back
[19:17] <eroomde> bbl
[19:18] <Upu> however
[19:18] <Upu> plans are afoot with our American brethern
[19:19] <fsphil> a0.3metres
[19:20] <SP3OSJ> dl7ad de sp3osj
[19:20] <LeoBodnar> It's like Kremer prize. Brits were building beautifully engineered complicated machines and MacCready build a Gossamer Condor - an ugly looking thing from sticks and ropes and won the record
[19:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Maven sep
[19:22] <Dove3_henry> now the race with MOM is on..
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[19:23] <fsphil> Mars gets all the attention. We need robots around other worlds too
[19:24] <x-f> we need a floater on Titan
[19:24] <fsphil> Neptune would be a nice target
[19:25] <fsphil> yea would be nice to see the Titan lakes up close
[19:26] <SP3OSJ> ryryryryryryryryry dl7ad de sp3osj
[19:26] <fsphil> could have both kinds of floaters
[19:28] <DL1SGP> DL7AD is not in the chat at present SP3OSJ
[19:28] <DL1SGP> you need him urgently?
[19:28] <DL1SGP> I can drop a message on skype to let him know you try to reach him
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[19:28] <LeoBodnar> He has been summoned
[19:29] <DL7AD> hi there
[19:29] <fsphil> hello here
[19:29] <DL1SGP> Moin Sven
[19:30] <DL7AD> moin moin
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[19:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I gess some politicians are not welcome on our national tv, like this cowboy :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE9Wx7b24lQ
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[19:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> very vey much qsb on b-30 now
[19:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no decode this time due to qsb
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[19:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OZ5AGJ reports heavy qsb as well
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[20:03] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[20:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hello Lunar_Lander_
[20:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Missing every 3-4 beeps
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander_> hey OZ1SKY_Brian
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander_> how are you?
[20:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fine thanks, tracking B-30. u?
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander_> ah learning the structure of amino acids by heart for tomorrow
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[20:11] <la3eq> hearing B-30 now
[20:11] <la3eq> but no decode yet
[20:12] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander_: How about isoleucin?
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah, that is one of them
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander_> non-polar residue
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander_> COO-
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander_> H3N+-C-H
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander_> CH2
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander_> CH-CH3
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander_> CH3
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander_> I think
[20:14] <Laurenceb__> B-30 creeping up the duration chart
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[20:14] <Laurenceb__> now 7th
[20:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander_: :)
[20:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq Hej. Do you have deep qsb on it too?
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[20:14] <Lunar_Lander_> CH-CH3 and CH2 must be exchanged
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[20:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> Laurenceb__: it must top the km/duration-chart... :)
[20:15] <la3eq> yes deep QSP
[20:15] <la3eq> QSB
[20:16] <la3eq> Brian i copy on 434.500,3MHz usb
[20:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 434.500.0 here @1810Hz
[20:17] <la3eq> here @1500Hz
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander_> Reb-SM3ULC, everyone in the course will be given a name of an amino acid and then you are supposed to draw it
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb__: got Omron M2 today
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander_> as there are 8 people and 20 acids, I suppose the easy ones will not be on test
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> The pump is good but mahoosive! 62g
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[20:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wonder if its spinning that makes those deep qsb nulls
[20:22] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: heh
[20:22] <la3eq> has it a invertet GP hanging downward?
[20:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 10-12dB QSB on the S/n here
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> It's a vertical dipole la3eq
[20:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> only just started about ½hour ago
[20:23] <la3eq> tnx fer info LeoBodnar
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[20:23] <Laurenceb__> as long as your blood pressure is ok :P
[20:23] <LeoBodnar> maybe combination of tilted payload and rotation during descend
[20:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Yes must be, no rain or so near by
[20:24] <LeoBodnar> Do you know any small pumps? I have found some 25g ones
[20:26] <Laurenceb__> theres the parker hannafin stuff
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[20:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq btw i saw your 8000m long antenna video, very nice :-)
[20:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> was searching for VLF stuff and came acress yours
[20:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> across
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[20:31] <la3eq> the longer the better ;)
[20:32] <la3eq> lost B-30 now...do you still hear it?
[20:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Yes but im also alot closer to it
[20:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 320km los
[20:32] <la3eq> yes...it is just outside my reception limit
[20:33] <bertrik> Can I compare 92 cm qualatex spherical latex balloon be to (say) a hwoyee 350 (about the same volume)?
[20:33] <bertrik> regarding burst height for example
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[20:39] <LeoBodnar> Does pump flow depend on ambient pressure?
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[20:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> So I get my aerials back up and not a sign of B-31 ;-)
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[20:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> wtf, b30 doing the plunge again?
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> Geoff-G8DHE: have you made a 3d path of B-30?
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> Practicing forced landings
[20:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can do givew me a mo
[20:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like it Reb
[20:42] <LeoBodnar> I always wanted to ask a farmer how it looks from the ground.
[20:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: impressive, nightlanding without ils is though
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> Diving bombers don't use ILS
[20:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-30 qsb has stopped
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[20:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: right
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> B-30 shows no signs of aborting the dive :D
[20:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right here us a quicky! http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-30_20131116/
[20:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll find some better angles in a mo ...
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[20:49] <LeoBodnar> Thanks Geoff
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any specific parts your interested in ? - long flights like these don't always look so imprssive when you view the whole flight ...
[20:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Certainlt intersting path looks like its trapped between layers of humidity ?
[20:53] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: it just wants a little schnaps wth Aalborg
[20:54] <DL1SGP> jaaa Aalborg!
[20:54] <DL1SGP> that is good stuff!
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander_> XD!
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[20:55] <LeoBodnar> I was interested in oscillations
[20:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-30_20131116/B-30_201311182046-4.jpg
[20:58] <LeoBodnar> cool thanks a lot
[20:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Reb-SM3ULC it can have those i had Friday, it didnt do me any good. lol
[20:59] <PB1DFT> lol @ http://www.isleoflying.com/
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[21:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ph we need your radio now, wake up :-)
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[21:10] <qyx_> hm, it is constantly descending
[21:10] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: ok, time to level off the bombrun?
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> Looks very committed to land
[21:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> sad, but rebild bakker is a very nice place to land, beautiful
[21:14] <DL1SGP> it wants to get awfully drunk after that ride through the air
[21:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> "Rebild bakker" is where the USA is having 4th of july for the americans living here. Nice place to land :-)
[21:15] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[21:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> OZ1SKY_Brian: really?
[21:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[21:19] <Reb-SM3ULC> darn, had hopes for that stubborn little balloon
[21:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> can´t get in contact with oz9qeh that live close to where b-30 is now
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[21:34] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
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[21:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> a green
[21:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> :-)
[21:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 202m
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[21:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> still hear beebs
[21:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but very weak
[21:37] <LeoBodnar> Hehe on final approach
[21:37] <Willdude123> Man I really need to get cracking with web development. People are offering stuff up to around £300 on a Bitcoin jobs subreddit
[21:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sporadic beebs now
[21:38] <LeoBodnar> Is this chalk or salt?
[21:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ground is at about 36m in that area
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[21:39] <qyx_> whats that white surface?
[21:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what a shame i cant get hold of oz9aeh, he lives in Svenstrup, just north west of the landing place
[21:40] <Reb-SM3ULC> 139 m
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[21:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> some 3km km away, he should be able to hear it on the ground, maybe
[21:40] <arko> is anyone going to recover it?
[21:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> problem is it dark, so near impossible to find now.
[21:41] <arko> ah
[21:41] <Herman-PB0AHX_> Leo time for other one hihihihi lol
[21:42] <DL7AD> OZ1SKY_Brian: will that be the problem with radio direction finding?
[21:42] <arko> looks like its landed near some dirt facility
[21:42] <DL7AD> Herman-PB0AHX_: rofl
[21:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> in the middle of a large field, yes
[21:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and pitch black
[21:42] <arko> blah
[21:42] <arko> anyone near by enough to attempt a recovery tomorrow?
[21:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OZ9AEH lives very close, but i cant get a hold of him
[21:43] <arko> ah
[21:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> he´s onle 3-4km away from it
[21:43] <arko> wow
[21:43] <arko> nice
[21:43] <arko> its 10:34pm i see
[21:43] <arko> damn
[21:43] <LeoBodnar> we are everywhere :D
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[21:44] <arko> spacenear rolls deep
[21:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> im 110km away
[21:44] <DL7AD> OZ1SKY_Brian: keep ready for a relaunch of the balloon!
[21:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its a chalk quarry Company is Dankalk http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=da&u=http://www.dankalk.dk/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddankalk%26num%3D100%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DrCY%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official
[21:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DL7AD ahh yes :-)
[21:45] <DL7AD> we had this already before ^^
[21:45] <DL7AD> dont want to get this experience again
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[21:45] <LeoBodnar> last data point is slightly further http://aprs.fi/#!mt=hybrid&z=13&call=a%2FM0XER-9&timerange=3600&tail=3600
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[21:46] <arko> wow
[21:46] <arko> nice flight so far LeoBodnar
[21:47] <arko> knowing your payloads i doubt the hab is done, it's probably resting for the night
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[21:47] <arko> setting up camp, only to take flight again tomorrow
[21:47] <arko> so there will be challenges of "how many countries can you touch in a single flight"
[21:47] <LeoBodnar> I never understood how the manage to refloat with bits sticking out and solar panels
[21:48] <arko> hehe yeah
[21:48] <Upu> I can upload that last point 1 sec
[21:48] <LeoBodnar> I did UK, Germany and Finland but on separate flight
[21:48] <arko> i remember that one!
[21:48] <arko> the little island at finland
[21:48] <LeoBodnar> yeah 3 miles off the nearest tracker
[21:49] <arko> people talked about a recovery, went to sleep to wake up to find it had taken off again
[21:49] <LeoBodnar> haha
[21:49] <Upu> there you go
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander_> LeoBodnar, yeah do you plan to combine all your observations somehow?
[21:49] <arko> some day it still travels to this day
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[21:51] <arko> say*
[21:51] <arko> blah
[21:52] <arko> LeoBodnar: you must be completely desensitized to never seeing hardware again
[21:52] <arko> after 30 launches or so
[21:52] <LeoBodnar> I still shed an occasional tear arko
[21:52] <arko> haha
[21:52] <arko> you'd do well at nasa
[21:52] <arko> jpl at least
[21:53] <arko> we will never see the rovers again :(
[21:53] <LeoBodnar> lol
[21:53] <arko> you just have to accept it
[21:53] <LeoBodnar> maybe for the best
[21:53] <arko> right now this hab that i have been fighting to save and bring to life isnt gettting recovered
[21:53] <arko> so im trying to get use to it
[21:54] <arko> hehe ya
[21:54] <arko> i hope they stay on mars and arent brought back
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[21:54] <arko> though i wouldnt mind visiting mars to see them
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[21:57] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander_> arko, MAVEN was a great launch I think
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander_> I was on my way home when it happened
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[21:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> to hell with it, me and a buddy are leaving now for B-30 :-)
[21:57] <arko> yah
[21:58] <arko> glad things are good
[21:58] <Upu> lol
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander_> B-30 landed in DK?
[21:58] <arko> OZ1SKY_Brian: you crazy
[21:58] <arko> thats awesome
[21:58] <Upu> if you have APRS Brian
[21:58] <Upu> turn it on
[21:58] <arko> i really hope it doesnt troll you
[21:58] <Upu> I'll overlay you
[21:58] <arko> and take off when you arrive
[21:58] <arko> ohh!!
[21:58] <arko> good idea
[21:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i got the hab app
[21:58] <Upu> oh chase car it up
[21:58] <LeoBodnar> Brian you are mad
[21:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[21:58] <Upu> good luck :)
[21:59] <LeoBodnar> in a good way :D
[21:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol thanks
[21:59] <Upu> you're looking for something --->.<---- that big
[21:59] <Upu> with a shiny balloon on it
[21:59] <LeoBodnar> It's pitch black
[21:59] <Upu> take a torch
[21:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> see ya :-)
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[21:59] <LeoBodnar> good luck! :D
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah and you need Laser!
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[22:00] <Upu> if anyone is interested I've revamped the NTX2 to Arduino articles and added part 3 : DominoEX
[22:00] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=633
[22:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> OZ1SKY_Brian: cool, chasecar_app with you? :)
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander_> Anthony, awesome!
[22:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh I love the "Regular scheduled flight" on http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-30/index.html
[22:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> hehe
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[22:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do you have to pre-bok luggage ?
[22:00] <arko> Upu: nice
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander_> does DominoEX only work on the NTX2B with that example?
[22:01] <arko> good luck OZ1SKY_Brian
[22:01] <Upu> no it will work with the NTX2
[22:01] <Upu> but you might have issues with drifting
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[22:01] <Upu> I best add that thx Lunar
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander_> you're welcome
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[22:07] <mclane> Upu: did you verify DomEX also at lower temperature?
[22:07] <Upu> nope mclane
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander_> hi mclane
[22:07] <Upu> it could do with testing
[22:07] <mclane> I have some cold spray on order; will check it then
[22:07] <Upu> right need to walk the dog back soon
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[22:13] <mclane> hallo Lunar_Lander_
[22:13] <mclane> wie gehts?
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander_> wie gehts?
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander_> gut, danke und dir?
[22:13] <mclane> ich warte auf gutes Wetter
[22:13] <Reb-SM3ULC> Hope SKY announces his chasecar...
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[22:14] <mclane> für den letzten Flug in diesem Jahr
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[22:14] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[22:14] <mclane> otherwise I am testing my new RasPi tracker
[22:14] <LeoBodnar> Do we have a contact with him in case APRS updates or it re-floats?
[22:14] <mclane> for next year
[22:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: one hoped that they brought a laptop or pd or something..
[22:15] <LeoBodnar> If aliens are observing us now they must be scratching their bold domes
[22:15] <arko> haha
[22:15] <mclane> with DomEX (seems to be the fashion right now) and SSDV and RTTY
[22:16] <arko> on second thought, lets not go to earth, its a silly place
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander_> xD!
[22:16] <arko> i thougth they would have taken mobile phone with the hab chase car app
[22:16] <Reb-SM3ULC> LeoBodnar: yeah, we run dom16 when we can have 250 mbit from mars... :)
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[22:16] <LeoBodnar> They are so illogical they might be dangerous
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander_> xD!
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[22:17] <Lunar_Lander_> oh man youtube died
[22:18] <arko> maybe for you
[22:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> :)
[22:18] <LeoBodnar> Yipeee!
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander_> "500 Internal Server Error
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander_> Sorry, something went wrong.
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander_> A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation."
[22:18] <LeoBodnar> Oh, there's still hope then :(
[22:18] <arko> i knew google treated their empolyee's poorly
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[22:19] <LeoBodnar> Update!
[22:20] <LeoBodnar> In the threes?
[22:20] <arko> aprs?
[22:20] <LeoBodnar> yeah http://aprs.fi/#!mt=hybrid&z=13&call=a%2FM0XER-9&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[22:21] <arko> hahaha
[22:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> hehe
[22:21] <arko> poor guy is gonna wake up at midnight to OZ1SKY_Brian in his tree
[22:21] <arko> "what the heck are you doing!?" "It's a balloon!"
[22:21] <arko> good thing he's not in texas, you get shot for that :/
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander_> ohhhhhh!
[22:22] <Reb-SM3ULC> arko: true
[22:22] <arko> anyone have contact with OZ1SKY_Brian?
[22:22] <sa6bss> looks like its may still be airborne. las aprs is only 3 min old
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[22:25] <Upu> I just update spacenear.us
[22:25] <arko> nice
[22:25] <Upu> last APRS is right over a tree
[22:25] <Upu> sigh :/
[22:25] <arko> 50m ASL?
[22:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ground level is 44-45m so would tally with the height, also its a little hill there
[22:26] <arko> with gps error that could totally be in a tree
[22:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> According to GE height ...
[22:26] <Reb-SM3ULC> no chasecar on the map yet
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[22:27] <LeoBodnar> Tree shadow is about twice the nearby house's
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[22:28] Action: arko is at the edge of his seat
[22:28] <LeoBodnar> Looks like the tallest tree in the country
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[22:29] <nats`> B-30 is dead ?
[22:29] <Upu> landed in Denmark
[22:29] <LeoBodnar> DL7AD do you have Brian's contact details?
[22:30] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: yes
[22:30] <arko> LeoBodnar: haha
[22:30] <Reb-SM3ULC> nats`: did a pause
[22:30] <Upu> I'd probably suggest unless he wants to go over a farmers land at night
[22:30] <LeoBodnar> phone or email?
[22:30] <Upu> not to go tonight
[22:30] <nats`> he takes a break
[22:30] <DL7AD> ehm email
[22:31] <LeoBodnar> could you please email him that it looks like a tree with coordinates 56.9484 N 9.9210
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander_> :P
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[22:31] <Upu> done Leo
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander_> LeoBodnar, did you get my earlier question?
[22:32] <Willdude123> Night people
[22:33] <Willdude123> I will be practicing resistor soldering tomorro
[22:33] <Willdude123> *tomorrow
[22:33] <eroomde> good luck
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander_> SMD?
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[22:34] <LeoBodnar> cheers
[22:34] <arko> LeoBodnar: looks like the landing spot is 1 hour away from him
[22:34] <arko> driving
[22:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-30_20131116/index.php?ind=9
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[22:34] <LeoBodnar> Lunar_Lander_: please repeat the Q :D
[22:34] <LeoBodnar> one before last
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander_> LeoBodnar, yeah do you plan to combine all your observations somehow?
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander_> that was it :)
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[22:35] <LeoBodnar> Another update. Same tree
[22:36] <arko> nice!!!
[22:36] <arko> the eagle has landed
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[22:37] <LeoBodnar> Lunar_Lander_: I have not understand more than half of the data I have. Say why B-30 was oscillating so much, etc
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander_> but you have everything saved somewhere?
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander_> from all the flights?
[22:38] <arko> i really hope this one is recovered, im interested to see the balloon
[22:38] <arko> possible signs of icing
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[22:39] <Upu> is youtube down for anyone else ?
[22:39] <LeoBodnar> read a book Anthony!
[22:39] <mattbrejza> oh lol Upu
[22:39] <Upu> lol
[22:39] <arko> woah
[22:39] <LeoBodnar> It will probably be good as new. It never stretched under good sunlight
[22:40] <arko> youtube is down for me too
[22:40] <Upu> omgz
[22:40] <Reb-SM3ULC> Upu: only for you my friend!
[22:40] <Upu> the internets is broken
[22:40] <arko> EVERYONE PANIC
[22:40] <mattbrejza> i want to see the global internet traffic grapg...
[22:40] <Upu> I wonder if due to all the negative comments they've decided to restore the old Youtube from a backup floppy or something
[22:40] <mattbrejza> h
[22:40] <arko> haha
[22:41] <arko> google+ killed it
[22:41] <eroomde> i have no internets anymore
[22:41] <Upu> I might go on to my Google Plus account that I didn't ask for and +1 youtubes new design
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[22:41] <eroomde> on internet from phone
[22:41] <Upu> its ok Ed Imgur.com is still working
[22:41] <arko> eroomde: srsly?
[22:41] <eroomde> yes
[22:41] <eroomde> ana has moved out
[22:41] <eroomde> contract in her name
[22:41] <eroomde> i need to get a new one
[22:41] <arko> ohh
[22:41] <arko> good
[22:41] <arko> i thought the world was ending
[22:41] <arko> people slowly losing internet
[22:42] <arko> that was a close one
[22:42] Action: LazyLeopard needs coffee...
[22:42] <eroomde> i might get our house arko
[22:42] <arko> ah that rights, ana got married
[22:42] <eroomde> they've offered it to me
[22:42] <arko> eroomde: looking for a roommate?
[22:42] <eroomde> poss yes
[22:42] <arko> just convince oxford uni to accept me
[22:42] <eroomde> a housemate really
[22:42] <arko> i'll come and live there
[22:43] <eroomde> not friendly enough for a roommate
[22:43] <arko> no big deal
[22:43] <LeoBodnar> new ana?
[22:43] <arko> whats a housemate?
[22:43] <Upu> Brian on the map
[22:43] <eroomde> someone who shares your house
[22:43] <arko> ohh roommate shares a room
[22:43] <eroomde> not your room
[22:43] <LeoBodnar> dig out ham rigs, armageddon is coming
[22:43] <arko> yeah screw that, roommates suck
[22:43] <arko> housemate
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> Arko - I would here link a funny video on how youtube makes changes to its service.
[22:43] <arko> sorry, we dont really call it housemates here
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> Alas...
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[22:44] <arko> i like my own room
[22:45] <eroomde> i know i was being pedantic
[22:45] <eroomde> i do that
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[22:47] <arko> LeoBodnar: new update!
[22:47] <arko> heh
[22:48] <arko> i really enjoyed oxford, very nice place
[22:48] <mattbrejza> Upu: fixed
[22:48] <mattbrejza> you can watch that cat video after all
[22:48] <LeoBodnar> Too many trees
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[22:48] <Upu> yay internets
[22:48] <eroomde> i like oxford too
[22:48] <mattbrejza> or people screaming at video games
[22:48] <mfa298> if you need your video fix and youtube is still down you can always try: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[22:48] <eroomde> big enough
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[22:49] <arko> mfa298: is that the ascii star wars?
[22:49] <mfa298> arko: it is :D
[22:49] <mfa298> from http://www.blinkenlights.nl/services.html
[22:49] <cm13g09> evening mfa298
[22:50] <mfa298> adding port 666 is good as well (bofh excuse generator)
[22:50] <mfa298> evening cm13g09
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[22:50] <Upu> sort of the subscriptions feed is still buggered
[22:50] <DL7AD> new position update from B-30
[22:50] <Upu> that is in the tree
[22:51] <arko> well who ever owns that house maybe waking up to a chainsaw at midnight
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[22:52] <Reb-SM3ULC> OZ1SKY_chase is on :)
[22:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> ah, starwars, thats reminds me this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJOz_y9rZE
[22:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander_> hi SP9UOB-Tom
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[22:53] <Reb-SM3ULC> Speed: 125.048377991 km/h Now that's some serious precision!
[22:53] <arko> hahaha
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
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[22:54] <arko> is he flying?
[22:54] <arko> holy cow
[22:54] <arko> 80mph?
[22:55] <qyx_> not too much
[22:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> arko: flying?
[22:56] <qyx_> we have maximum allowed speed on a highway of 130km/h for example
[22:56] <arko> nvm
[22:56] <qyx_> and it is not uncommon to see people going more than 160
[22:56] <arko> here its 65, but everyone goes 70-75
[22:57] Action: Dove3_henry prefers 7.8 km/s
[22:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> arko: denmark is only sand, jsut pour oil on it and you have a nice paved way.. ;)
[22:58] <arko> haha
[22:58] <arko> perfect
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
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[23:02] <Upu> well much as I'd love to see the outcome of this I'm off to bed night all
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander_> night anthony
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[23:02] <arko> later dude
[23:02] <Upu> I've turned the APRS importer off for B-30 so if Brian gets close he should be able to upload telemetry
[23:03] <LeoBodnar> GN Anthony
[23:03] <arko> looks like Brian should get there in 40minutes or so
[23:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> out of batt here, gn
[23:04] <arko> night!
[23:04] <arko> looks like i maybe the only one awake here
[23:04] <arko> its 11pm no?
[23:04] <eroomde> here
[23:05] <eroomde> yes
[23:05] <arko> ah not so bad
[23:05] <LeoBodnar> me too
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[23:07] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: i use 1.6mm tygon tube for the 2smpp-02 sensor
[23:07] <Laurenceb__> you might be able to fix some into the envelope
[23:08] <LeoBodnar> I was thinking about that actually
[23:08] <Laurenceb__> laybe use some silicone sealant
[23:08] <arko> eroomde: http://cnelson.org/~cnelson/mars_yard.html
[23:08] <LeoBodnar> if tubing is PVC it can be welded to the inside of the envelope (PE)
[23:09] <Laurenceb__> hmm
[23:09] <Laurenceb__> i use "Prism 401" to bond it
[23:10] <Laurenceb__> never tried heat sealing it
[23:10] <Laurenceb__> should be interesting to try
[23:10] <LeoBodnar> for pressure testing?
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[23:11] <eroomde> watching homeland
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[23:12] <wrea> Upu: The logic for HX1's EN is 5v?
[23:12] <Laurenceb__> heh
[23:12] <Laurenceb__> homeland writers are trolls
[23:13] <Laurenceb__> first few episodes look really bad
[23:13] <Laurenceb__> *ed
[23:13] <Laurenceb__> then it was all a bluff :P
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[23:13] <wrea> lol
[23:13] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: i build blood pressure cuff type kit
[23:14] <LeoBodnar> kit?
[23:14] <LeoBodnar> for what?
[23:15] <eroomde> well, that was good
[23:15] <Laurenceb__> latest episode?
[23:15] <eroomde> yep
[23:15] <Laurenceb__> yeah the conference room bit was silly
[23:15] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: secret stuff
[23:15] <Laurenceb__> top secret
[23:15] <Laurenceb__> but its medical trial stuff
[23:15] <Laurenceb__> its also not too secret... as its on my github
[23:16] <eroomde> Laurenceb__: no i mean the latest one
[23:16] <eroomde> conf room was last week
[23:16] <Laurenceb__> oh lolz
[23:16] <Laurenceb__> dont tell me then
[23:16] <eroomde> i'm on american time
[23:17] <Laurenceb__> im poor and only have channel4
[23:18] <eroomde> i'm poor and don't even have a tv
[23:18] <eroomde> i do however have a net connection
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> heh
[23:18] <eroomde> via phone
[23:20] <Laurenceb__> i need to try some thermal bonding
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> today i was trying to bond nylon to polycarbonate...
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[23:21] <LeoBodnar> does polycarbonate bond to anything?!
[23:22] <LeoBodnar> oh you said "trying"
[23:23] <Laurenceb__> apparently urethane thermal stuff works
[23:23] <Laurenceb__> i was trying cyanoacrylates and surface treatments...
[23:23] <Laurenceb__> prism 401 is supposed ot work
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[23:28] <arko> im really curious how OZ1SKY_Brian is actually going to get it in the middle of the night
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[23:28] <arko> without waking up the people in the house
[23:29] <LeoBodnar> he probably does not know yet it's there
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[23:30] <qyx_> interesting, most of the street names here ends with "ej"
[23:30] <qyx_> *end
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[23:31] <arko> he might though since his phone has internet
[23:32] <LeoBodnar> Good point :D
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[23:36] <arko> almost there it seems
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[23:38] <LeoBodnar> Did he say he has a friend living 3km away?
[23:38] <arko> yeah
[23:38] <LeoBodnar> <OZ1SKY_Brian> what a shame i cant get hold of oz9aeh, he lives in Svenstrup, just north west of the landing place some 3km km away, he should be able to hear it on the ground, maybe
[23:39] <craag> Looks like he's at his friend's house then?
[23:39] <LeoBodnar> He probably stopped at his friend's place
[23:39] <arko> probably
[23:39] <arko> blah
[23:40] <arko> good thing its a slow day at work today
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander_> how good would it be if he knows the guy in the house where it landed xD
[23:40] <LeoBodnar> APRS updating from time to time
[23:41] <LeoBodnar> let me check the battery level
[23:41] <arko> yeah its totally in the trees
[23:41] <LeoBodnar> 3.62v
[23:42] <LeoBodnar> they should be able to pick up telemetry if that's their only link
[23:42] <LeoBodnar> I hope he stays over and gets it in the morning
[23:43] <arko> hopefully its tangle in trees
[23:43] <arko> but very low to the ground
[23:44] <LeoBodnar> I went to try and get Upu's PAVA-A last week and by the time I got there it was pitch black countryside with no street lights, no torch, etc
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[23:44] <LeoBodnar> So I took the readings and went back :/
[23:44] <craag> btw LeoBodnar my friend went and took a look, but couldn't see it anywhere :(
[23:44] <arko> LeoBodnar: is it still there?
[23:45] <LeoBodnar> oh, shame but good that he went! :D
[23:45] <LeoBodnar> probably farmer got it
[23:45] <craag> Yeah he thought that was most likely.
[23:45] <arko> yea, once you get a position thats stable its always good possible to come back later
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[23:49] <arko> ah he's going down the wrong street
[23:51] <arko> oh there we go
[23:52] <LeoBodnar> they have probably received telemetry
[23:52] <LeoBodnar> when stationary
[23:53] <arko> heh
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[23:53] <arko> he's arrive
[23:53] <arko> d
[23:54] <arko> woo
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[23:54] <craag> gone past, as always :P
[23:54] <LeoBodnar> It's in these trees https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=56.9484,9.921&hl=en&ll=56.949999,9.915637&spn=0.007092,0.01929&geocode=+&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=56.949999,9.915637&panoid=jICkIYRCbDOvBI0W6dckPA&cbp=12,118.01,,0,0
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[23:55] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
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[23:56] <LeoBodnar> OK, dramatic music
[23:56] <arko> haha
[23:56] <arko> srsly
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[23:57] <LeoBodnar> It is still 300m from the road
[23:57] <LeoBodnar> 100m
[23:58] <arko> not much of a walk
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander__> arko, I just noticed something
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander__> apperantly, U.S. Congress hearings can be obtained online, but only if the uni has a subscription
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander__> :(
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander__> I wanted to have the one on Lunik 1
[23:59] <LeoBodnar> Telemetry updated 15min ago from OZ1SKY-A
[23:59] <arko> Lunar_Lander__: no idea about that
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander__> "Hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics and Special Subcommittee on Lunik Probe"
[23:59] <arko> LeoBodnar: i guess its a matter of time until it starts moving again
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander__> yea
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