highaltitude.log.20131117

[00:04] <LeoBodnar> btw I have ordered omron thingy
[00:05] <Laurenceb__> should be interesting
[00:05] <Laurenceb__> i use constant current drive and an instrumentation amp
[00:05] <Laurenceb__> 100µA
[00:05] <fsphil> B-30's float is rather lovely
[00:06] <LeoBodnar> Zen-like float
[00:06] <LeoBodnar> self-centered and ignoring predictions
[00:07] <LeoBodnar> Whis one do you use?
[00:07] <LeoBodnar> I like INA122 and AD627
[00:07] <Laurenceb__> i forgot..
[00:07] <LeoBodnar> they are rail-to rail
[00:07] <Laurenceb__> whatever was cheap on farnell
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander_> what do you want to do with butane anyway?
[00:08] <LeoBodnar> Ah, OK
[00:08] <LeoBodnar> Stick it into a pico
[00:08] <fsphil> tiny balloon, big boom
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[00:09] <PB0NER> morning
[00:09] <LeoBodnar> morning
[00:09] <DL7AD> morning PB0NER
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander_> fsphil, XD
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander_> hi
[00:10] <PB0NER> can you make some wind?
[00:10] <fsphil> baked beans will do the trick
[00:10] <Lunar_Lander_> LOL
[00:10] <PB0NER> i guess so
[00:10] <fsphil> but do give us some warning
[00:10] <PB0NER> 2km/h ...
[00:11] <fsphil> yes it's quite calm here today
[00:11] <PB0NER> or less
[00:11] <fsphil> local sonde is still landing in scotland though
[00:11] <fsphil> the higher altitude winds are pretty strong
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander_> lol there are about 20 balloons on spacenear
[00:12] <PB0NER> I'm wating for B30, I thing I do hear it, not sure
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[00:15] <Maxell> PB0NER: yeah LeoBodnar should construct a 2 meter and 70cm dualband antanna
[00:15] <Maxell> DomEX is not super strong :P
[00:17] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: i used an adjustable vreg with a 1.2v reference feedback to get the constant current
[00:18] <Laurenceb__> the 1.2v doubles as a reference for the instrumentation amp
[00:19] <PB0NER> getting some data!
[00:19] <LeoBodnar> Are there any links on what is inside?
[00:19] <Lunar_Lander_> why are there so many balloons on the map?
[00:20] <Laurenceb__> inside?
[00:20] <PB0NER> australia
[00:20] <LeoBodnar> the omron thing. The pump and pressure sensor datasheets?
[00:21] <PB0NER> Maxell: does not compute... dula band
[00:21] <Laurenceb__> oh
[00:21] <Laurenceb__> its chinese parts
[00:21] <Laurenceb__> i couldnt find documentation
[00:21] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander_: busy weekend, and others testing
[00:21] <Laurenceb__> nasty 6v pump
[00:21] <Laurenceb__> with huge motor
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[00:22] <LeoBodnar> Ah, ok so the sensor is fed with CC and outputs differential mV output?
[00:22] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[00:22] <Laurenceb__> yes
[00:22] <LeoBodnar> And the pump is just a dc motor?
[00:22] <Laurenceb__> remember to hook up n-sub correctly
[00:22] <Laurenceb__> yes
[00:22] <LeoBodnar> can it pump either way?
[00:22] <Laurenceb__> no
[00:22] <Laurenceb__> its a diaphragm pump
[00:23] <Laurenceb__> then there is a calibrated leak as well
[00:23] <LeoBodnar> I see
[00:23] <Laurenceb__> there an 8bit toshiba micro
[00:23] <Laurenceb__> with built in LCD controller
[00:23] <LeoBodnar> with solenoid control or just permanently on?
[00:23] <LeoBodnar> what's n-sub?
[00:24] <Laurenceb__> solenoid is normally open
[00:24] <Laurenceb__> for safety
[00:24] <Laurenceb__> so in event of failure it will vent
[00:24] <LeoBodnar> ah the leak valve?
[00:24] <Laurenceb__> n-sub is a pin on the sensor
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[00:25] <LeoBodnar> is it something like this? http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/en-2smpp-02.pdf
[00:26] <PB0NER> spacenear behave odd... am I the only one?
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[00:26] <Laurenceb__> yeah just follow the connection diagram
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[00:27] <LeoBodnar> cool, I work with load cells and strain gauges a lot, this is just another one of them
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[00:29] <LeoBodnar> looks like n-sub is just a substrate connection
[00:29] <Maxell> PB0NER: any green decodes
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> Yup
[00:29] <PB0NER> negative, but close
[00:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> green and green morning martijn
[00:31] <Laurenceb__> http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/blog/inside-the-nokia-808-pureview-smartphone-with-a-41-mp-camera/
[00:32] <PB0NER> Herman-PB0AHX: you are decoding about 2,5 hours now?
[00:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> i dont know i was not at home
[00:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> hihihihi lol
[00:32] Nick change: henry1 -> pericynthion
[00:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> leo make a good prduct very stable in frequentie
[00:33] <Laurenceb__> hi hallam/pericynthion
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[00:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> last week i swits nothing on my 901
[00:33] <pericynthion> hey Laurenceb__
[00:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> he is drifting only above 12 km
[00:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> if it is very colt abt -40 deg
[00:34] <Laurenceb__> <pericynthion> what are you doing these days?
[00:34] Action: Laurenceb__ has just finished PhD
[00:35] <PB0NER> Herman-PB0AHX: your dl-fldi is up for 3 hours now..
[00:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok if you say it
[00:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> normal is is on 24 uh
[00:35] <PB0NER> tracker says so
[00:35] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: yeah you had a few green decodes
[00:36] <pericynthion> Laurenceb__: congrats!
[00:36] <pericynthion> I'm doing nanosatellite stuff
[00:36] <Laurenceb__> ah cool
[00:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes maxell he is abt signal trg s3 now here
[00:36] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: your first decode was at $$B-30,184,215809,131116,52.3739,-0.1891,6734,8,-22,3.79,0*2003
[00:36] Action: Laurenceb__ is working on medical devices
[00:37] <Maxell> RevSpace's at $$B-30,259,002438,131117,52.3287,0.4865,6715,7,-22,3.77,0*20f8
[00:37] <Laurenceb__> university spin out stuff
[00:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> nice maxell
[00:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> martijn other look screen
[00:38] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: 64 decodes total
[00:38] <Maxell> (revspace 4)
[00:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> wow
[00:38] <Maxell> yeah
[00:38] <Laurenceb__> i bet you could walk faster than B-30
[00:38] <Maxell> like, you decoded when horzin was even yet to reach naaldwijk
[00:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> no martijn is not on other screen then i trying tel him it here
[00:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> i crast today with the bus martijn that wy i am abt 23 uur wat it home i tel it u tomorow
[00:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> maxell u are using revspace now ?
[00:41] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: yeah, I'm always behind RevSpace.
[00:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> my writing inglisch is not so good sory for that
[00:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok maxell
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[00:41] <Maxell> QTH (= portable setup), rtl-sdr, would only recieve Dutch balloobns
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[00:42] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: It's suffcient!
[00:42] <PB0NER> green
[00:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> u have reed my msg martijn
[00:42] <Maxell> "2,P.76"
[00:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> congrats
[00:42] <Maxell> voltage: P.76 volts
[00:42] <Maxell> :P
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[00:44] <Maxell> oh, thats almost 10 minutes old
[00:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> old stuff
[00:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> hihihihi lol
[00:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> but i go to sleep now
[00:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> gn all and lot of green lines
[00:45] <Maxell> sleep well!
[00:47] <Maxell> dial still at 434.500 Mhz and dl-fldigi @ 1160 Hz?
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[00:51] <Maxell> bertrik: intresting: we did 4 decodes
[00:51] <Maxell> first decode at 52.3287,0.4865
[00:51] <Maxell> last one at 52.3221,0.5074
[00:51] <Maxell> Could this be a gap between skyscrapers?
[00:54] <Miek> LeoBodnar: i'm still waiting on that 90 degree turn :p
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[00:59] <Maxell> Yeah, that would be a narrow gap... http://i.imgur.com/2G5BzOB.png
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[01:03] <PB0NER> hmm los b30...
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[01:03] <PB0NER> +t
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[01:04] <PB0NER> last decode ~10 minutes ago
[01:06] <PB0NER> just heard domx again ownly a few characters of the payload, much weaker now
[01:10] <PB0NER> Maxell: ithink it is propagation issues, I have the same thing...
[01:10] <kokey> morning
[01:10] <PB0NER> morning kokey
[01:17] <Maxell> PB0NER: intresting, it's stronger here now
[01:17] <Maxell> I can see pips
[01:17] <Maxell> kokey: hai
[01:17] <Maxell> Green
[01:17] <Maxell> And green
[01:18] <PB0NER> Maxell: indeed signal is getting better... will do some work on my mast 'today' ... want my yagi's up
[01:18] <PB0NER> nothing... and niks
[01:18] <Maxell> weird
[01:19] <Maxell> yagi ftw
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[01:20] <Maxell> I'm looking into fiberglass poles right now. Might be worth putting an VHF/UHF yagi in thar
[01:24] <PB0NER> those camouflage net poles?
[01:29] <DL7AD> g0hww: can you see the balloon? rofl...
[01:30] <PB0NER> DL7AD: I thing he went to bed... 3 hours ago, last contact
[01:31] <DL7AD> hm....
[01:31] <DL7AD> its so difficult to say where its going
[01:32] <PB0NER> it is not moving very fast...
[01:32] <DL7AD> PB0NER: he will see this tomorrow and recongnise he missed something special :P
[01:32] <DL7AD> to advise him to stay next time ^^
[01:33] <PB0NER> I actially saw the first balloon i tracked, with binoculairs though
[01:34] <PB0NER> went right over my house :)
[01:34] <PB0NER> eh garden
[01:41] <PB0NER> hmm it seems drifting up in frequency
[01:41] <Lunar_Lander_> good night
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[01:43] <DL7AD> good night
[01:43] <PB0NER> good night
[01:44] <DL7AD> no its not me going to bed
[01:44] <PB0NER> I know it's Lun
[01:45] <PB0NER> but 'm off too, had to much beer on my party
[01:45] <PB0NER> Warsteiner
[01:45] <DL7AD> rofl... bye
[01:45] <PB0NER> just finished my last one
[01:46] <PB0NER> bye! I'll leave my Rechner running :-)
[01:49] <DL7AD> ^^ good night PB0NER
[01:49] <PB0NER> singnal is getting better again
[01:49] <PB0NER> good night all, sleep weel or have fun!
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[07:19] <uu4jlm_Valeryi> Good morning, everyone! 73!
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[07:53] <eroomde> morn
[07:56] <arko> yo yo
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[08:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good Day Habbers :D
[08:04] <eroomde> and to you
[08:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Ed
[08:05] <arko> it's midnight and i want pasta
[08:06] <arko> >:(
[08:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> 'Bit late for a meal is it not?
[08:06] <arko> never!
[08:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
[08:07] <arko> i forgot to eat dinner :/
[08:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Forgot? Actually, I did the other day whilst designing a board so I can't talk.
[08:08] <arko> heh yeah
[08:08] <arko> been writing a paper
[08:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh? Anything HABy?
[08:09] <arko> and with the sun going down at like 4:30pm it feels like the day never really was
[08:09] <arko> sortaish, its about accelerometers
[08:09] <arko> for an instrumentation class
[08:09] <arko> it's extremely boring
[08:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah. I could get used to the quick ending days if it were permenant
[08:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> I would have thought that would have been facinating.
[08:10] <arko> it is when you are first learning it, but this paper has been nothing but busy work
[08:10] <arko> knew about them already
[08:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah OK
[08:10] <eroomde> papers are 10% inspiration, 90%...
[08:11] <arko> yep
[08:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sounds like commercial Photography :-)
[08:11] <eroomde> :)
[08:12] <eroomde> is that you line of work?
[08:12] <eroomde> would help explain the quality of your photos!
[08:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thanks for the compliment - It used to be. After I left Reuters, I tried to go solo but it didn't really work out.. I@ve been a photographer practically all my life though.
[08:14] <arko> nice, my dad has been a professional photographer for 30 or so years now, its stupid difficult to make money with it
[08:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> I did a stint back in the film days with two very good photographers as assistants, got side-tracked in to teaching IT and then got a 'proper' IT job.
[08:14] <eroomde> i can imagine it'd be tough. especially news photography today
[08:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Absolutely. Especially now with digital making it so easy for everyone.
[08:14] <arko> oh yeah
[08:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm not saying that everyone can't create a decent image but most hobbyists can't get to pro standards.
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[08:15] <eroomde> yeah. an iPhone snap of the right celeb from someone who happened to be in the same restaurant will always win out nowadays
[08:15] <arko> i remember when i was in elementary school, my dad worked in a photo lab, near the end of 2004 you literally started seeing less and less rolls to develop
[08:16] <arko> and then it closed down within 2 years
[08:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> The worst is the unkle who offers to photograph a wedding....
[08:16] <arko> the death of film :/
[08:16] <eroomde> ha
[08:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Having shot quite a few, it's not as easy as people imagine, anyway, that's another story.
[08:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> I only do favours now.
[08:16] <arko> and now i need to take my film to hollywood to get developed
[08:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> He he
[08:17] <arko> hahaha
[08:17] <arko> my dad hated weddings
[08:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> There used to be labs all over the place
[08:17] <arko> he said it's the worst thing to do photography at
[08:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Funny enough, I hated the though of them bt really enjoyed them. Takes days to recover though.
[08:17] <arko> headache / draining
[08:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> ye
[08:17] <arko> haha
[08:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> I do run a photography club though ;-)
[08:18] <arko> nice
[08:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Find us on Facebook - The Friendly Photography Club
[08:19] <arko> seeing how im the UK for 3% of the year, its unlikely i will attend meetings :P
[08:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> A bit like UKHAS, anyone can 'join' The page gets a lilttle quiet despite me trying to get the members to post
[08:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> You can still have an input on FB
[08:19] <arko> ah right
[08:19] <arko> the internet, forgot about that
[08:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
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[08:26] <eroomde> i had a play on adam's das keyboard yesterday
[08:26] <eroomde> it's very nice
[08:27] <arko> so i've played with the das keyboard as well
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[08:27] <arko> and compared against the Model M.. its just not the same
[08:27] <arko> however, the closest still made today keyboard is http://www.pckeyboard.com/
[08:27] <eroomde> yeah, but i preferred the lighter clicking action
[08:27] <eroomde> i have that
[08:27] <eroomde> the unicomp customiser
[08:28] <arko> oh sweet
[08:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thought you meant musical keyboard :-)
[08:28] <arko> you liked the das keyboard more?
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[08:28] <eroomde> i preferred the cherry blue action
[08:28] <eroomde> much lighter
[08:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> Morning Dave
[08:29] <arko> hmm
[08:29] <daveake> mrng
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[08:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right, I have a little job to do. Be back soon guys.
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[08:36] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm going to clear the SEED launches unless anyone has any objections ?
[08:36] <Upu_M0UPU> and the PSB ones
[08:38] <Maxell> Go ahead, I presume
[08:40] <DL1SGP2> good morning
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[08:54] <Maxell> Yay, Wide FM right on 434.200 MHz, http://i.imgur.com/fj8fIs4.png
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[08:56] <Maxell> Oh, now it's gone. It's transmitting silence! http://i.imgur.com/3nh283y.png
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[08:57] <g0hww> i see B-30 was circling me whilst i was asleep
[08:58] <Maxell> Taunting you :P
[08:58] <g0hww> probably
[08:59] <DL1SGP> yeah I saw that a bit ago g0hww :) It has a nice course, I wonder if that is Leo's "Longest above England"-Float by now
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[09:01] <chrisstubbs> b-30 has taken an interesting path
[09:02] <DL1SGP> Good Morning chrisstubbs and yes it has :)
[09:02] <chrisstubbs> Morning
[09:02] <S_Mark> morning
[09:02] <chrisstubbs> any word from MickMondo, he is supposed to be launching nowISH iirc
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[09:04] <DL1SGP> glanced over the past 12h, nothing seen chrisstubbs, I remember that nick having been around yesterday
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[09:04] <chrisstubbs> ah 9:30
[09:05] <DL1SGP> :)
[09:08] <chrisstubbs> How are things S_Mark?
[09:08] <S_Mark> Hey, good thank you
[09:08] <S_Mark> Considering launching Stratodean 3 next weekend
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[09:10] <chrisstubbs> prediction is a bit of a trek for next weekend, but that will undoubtedly change
[09:10] <chrisstubbs> today looks good haha
[09:13] <S_Mark> Yeah http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/stratodean/
[09:13] <S_Mark> Today would have been good, bit foggy though
[09:13] <S_Mark> Thing is we are on a time constraint :p - can't say tooooo much yet lol
[09:14] <S_Mark> You launch yesterday chrisstubbs?
[09:14] <chrisstubbs> Nope 11:30 today
[09:16] <S_Mark> not foggy by you then?
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[09:17] <chrisstubbs> Nope just nice and still
[09:17] <chrisstubbs> cloudy but no cameras so...
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[09:19] <S_Mark> ah ok cool
[09:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> MONDO03 on the map
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[09:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah, Graham
[09:21] <chrisstubbs> Hah nice launch spot
[09:21] <GMT> Ah, Steve ... did you enjoy Kempton?
[09:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, quite busy
[09:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> Always good to catch up with all my old pals
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[09:23] <DL1SGP> Hi Steve_G0TDJ
[09:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Felix :-)
[09:23] Action: chrisstubbs afk
[09:23] <DL1SGP> tinfoil hat ready?
[09:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep *salutes*
[09:23] <DL1SGP> great :)
[09:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just preparing a cuppa!
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[09:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> Graham GMT PMing you
[09:24] <DL1SGP> I could have another lol but well later
[09:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> ;-)
[09:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Blimey, I should hear MONDO already.
[09:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyway, off to get my cuppa brb
[09:25] <Maxell> launch! :)
[09:25] <DL1SGP> woot
[09:26] <Reb-SM3ULC> tha dancing B-30.. :)
[09:26] <Maxell> or not
[09:26] <Maxell> hmm
[09:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> You still there GMT ?
[09:27] <DL1SGP> yeah Reb-SM3ULC it now seems to be setting course towards our friends in Finland :)
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[09:28] <GMT> yes, still here... just made a cuppa
[09:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool, can you see my PM?
[09:29] <GMT> yes, I see it. Knock knock
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[09:33] <m3eav> no map?
[09:35] <chrisstubbs> there she goes
[09:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Up
[09:36] <chrisstubbs> got it
[09:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cracking signal
[09:36] <chrisstubbs> 450Hz shift too, darn rfm22b
[09:36] <DL1SGP> have a safe flight Mondo-3 :)
[09:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> 475 shift here
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[09:37] <m3eav> no map on spacenear?
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[09:37] <chrisstubbs> m3eav working here
[09:37] <m3eav> odd? cleared my cache and everything just blank white page
[09:38] <chrisstubbs> IE?
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[09:38] <m3eav> ah ha
[09:38] <m3eav> google chrome
[09:38] <m3eav> don't liek it
[09:38] <chrisstubbs> good man
[09:38] <m3eav> woking in firefox
[09:38] <chrisstubbs> even better
[09:39] Nick change: chrisstubbs -> chrisstubbs_M6ED
[09:39] <ibanezmatt13> speaking of web browsers, anybody know anything that'll work on the PI beside this Midori garbage?
[09:39] Nick change: chrisstubbs_M6ED -> chrisstubbsM6EDF
[09:39] <eroomde> m3eav: which OS?
[09:39] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> ibanezmatt13, iceweasel is FF for pi
[09:39] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> but its sooooooooo slow like midori
[09:40] <DL1SGP> ibanezmatt13: lynx
[09:40] <ibanezmatt13> ah, I was trying to gain a bit of speed to be honest :/
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[09:40] <eroomde> chrisstubbsM6EDF: ice weasel is FF for debian
[09:40] <eroomde> nothing to do with the pi explicitly
[09:40] <ibanezmatt13> I'm running a Fedora remix for the PI
[09:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: Every time these asian microsoft support calls me about my problem with "virus" i tell them i use lynx.
[09:41] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try that ice weasel then, can't be any worse I suppose :)
[09:41] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> ibanezmatt13, prepare yourself :P
[09:41] <eroomde> might be just as slow
[09:41] <eroomde> or slower
[09:42] <DL1SGP> that's the way to go Reb-SM3ULC :) but I doubt they even know what Lynx is :)
[09:42] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> dont expect it to run spacenear.us
[09:42] <ibanezmatt13> I'll just accept the slowness of MIdori then :P
[09:42] <ibanezmatt13> not worth bothering about
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[09:43] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
[09:43] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde: fully constructed by the way. Just waiting on some propulsion
[09:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: once it took them two days to figure it out. thay usually try to call back...
[09:43] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13: cool
[09:44] <DL1SGP> lol Reb-SM3ULC
[09:44] <ibanezmatt13> recovery system was a pain though. Got it tangled up 3 times at least and had to redo
[09:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> chrisstubbsM6EDF: Did Mick say he was chasing this one?
[09:45] <eroomde> foldering parachutes is tricky
[09:45] <eroomde> folding*
[09:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> I like foldering better
[09:45] <ibanezmatt13> yes, I won't be suprised if it plummets from 1000ft, but it was a good learning exersise :)
[09:45] <SIbot> In real units: 1000 ft = 305 m
[09:45] <ibanezmatt13> why thank you :)
[09:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's neat
[09:47] <m3eav> win7 64bit eremode
[09:47] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
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[09:49] <Maxell> Wow, it's going fast!
[09:49] <Maxell> I'm getting used to all these floaters :P
[09:50] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Steve_G0TDJ, yeah
[09:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Cool
[09:52] <nats`> hi
[09:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> MONDO-3 drifting up in freq.
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[09:52] <ibanezmatt13> hey Mitch :)
[09:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice to see you here Mitch
[09:53] Action: chrisstubbsM6EDF predicts a balloon launch from china very soon
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[09:55] <ibanezmatt13> can't stand this MIdori, logging out and switching to Windows, brb
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[09:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> strange signaal from MONDO-3 here ???
[09:55] <DL1SGP> goedenmorgen Herman-PB0AHX
[09:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> Drifting up quite fast
[09:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> goeden morgen
[09:55] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Herman-PB0AHX, it seems to have a split in it half way through the time too
[09:56] <hackvana> Hello guys, nice to be here.
[09:56] <hackvana> Some nice birds in the air at present :-)
[09:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> I think there's gaps in the telemetry
[09:56] <DL1SGP> hi hackvana
[09:56] <GMT> odd break between the sequence number and the time
[09:56] <hackvana> chrisstubbsM6EDF: Oh?
[09:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> chrisstubbsM6EDF i see a very smal shift
[09:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh yes.
[09:56] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> might be reading the serial, strange place to do it though
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[09:57] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> hackvana, well your not short of tracker designs hah :)
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[09:59] <Herman-PB0AHX> yessss green lines from mondo-3
[10:00] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: damnit :P $$ONDO-3,178,09:59:22,+5131.9r,+0030.2v72,0v6q804.4*7E
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Lost it there for a bit
[10:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> maxxel a lot of drift here
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Still drifting up
[10:00] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: reciever warming up?
[10:01] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: drift here is being corrected by dl-fldigi
[10:01] <Herman-PB0AHX> no tranceiver is 24/7 on here
[10:01] <Maxell> ah yes for atv repeater stream :P
[10:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> FLDigi is good but it can't deal with signals out of the Rx passband :-)
[10:01] <Maxell> Close: "$$MONDO-3,186,10:01:14,+5131.5679,+00029.6390,07131,045*74"
[10:02] <Maxell> Steve_G0TDJ: it can retune the radio for you!
[10:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes computer is also 24/7 on here hihihi lol
[10:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> red green red green ........
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maxell: Really, so much I don't know
[10:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd other rtty signaal
[10:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> This will make a good illustration of drift when I do my talk for the radio club... *screen capture*
[10:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looks like my friend Lee M6DRS is tracking too :-)
[10:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> anyone has trajecotry for b30, noaa seems veryvery slowed down
[10:07] <m3eav> seem to have upload probs with my fldigi hab software (403), is 3.21.5 latest ver?
[10:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> maxxel u have green i see
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[10:07] <GMT> latest is 3.21.50
[10:08] <m3eav> ok thanks, got that , wont upload or connect to habitit? http 403
[10:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Signal getting ragged here
[10:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> a lot of qrm here grgrgrgr
[10:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Interesting. The signal seems to go periodically and come back.
[10:10] <LeoBodnar> morning!
[10:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> HI Leo
[10:11] <g0hww> Morning Leo, you should have told me that B-30 was coming to play with me overnight :)
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[10:12] <LeoBodnar> It made loops around you
[10:12] <g0hww> indeed
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[10:13] <GMT> you've had loops around Europe, around countries, and now around towns
[10:14] <DL1SGP> good morning LeoBodnar
[10:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> good morning Leo
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[10:14] <LeoBodnar> morning morning!
[10:14] <OH7HJ-1> GM Gents!
[10:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> B-30 is stil slying very wel hihihihihi
[10:14] <DL1SGP> Hi OH7HJ-1
[10:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> s=f
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[10:16] <M0CJM_Neil> Morning all
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[10:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Neil
[10:17] <M0CJM_Neil> How are you Steve?
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm good cheers. You?
[10:18] <ibanezmatt13>
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is that a blank look Matt :-)
[10:18] <ibanezmatt13> lol, my notepad fell on my keyboard :)
[10:18] <M0CJM_Neil> Yeah not to bad, just trying to decode MONDO but keep getting major interference over the top & then is disappears
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> :D
[10:18] <GMT> Matt is typing with white letters
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL@Graham
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Neil, I@m getting signal break up regularly
[10:19] <M0CJM_Neil> Mine is a very strong data like noise right over the top dead on 434.2
[10:19] <M0CJM_Neil> back now
[10:20] <M0CJM_Neil> now gone again
[10:20] <M0CJM_Neil> back
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maybe that's what I'm getting. I can't monitor the audio
[10:20] <M0CJM_Neil> it wipes out right over the top of the balloon audio
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> At least it's stabalised in frequency now
[10:21] <PE2G> First greens from MONDO at 437 km, -0.4 deg
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[10:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> pe2g congrats is nice
[10:23] <PE2G> Thanks Herman
[10:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> i have a lot of qrm here grgr but writing some lines
[10:23] <LeoBodnar> Was it that glitch a broken checksum validating a broken reading?
[10:24] <G3XVL_Chris> 434.200 very noisy here too
[10:24] <M0CJM_Neil> major qrm here to just a few Hz above the balloon
[10:24] <GMT> that jump in the track was a decode from Manchester
[10:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd on 434.200 also a cw signaal like V V V V V grgrgr
[10:24] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: You have a nice amount of B-30 decodes :-)
[10:25] <M0CJM_Neil> trying to usr the DSP to filter it out but not so much luck so far
[10:25] <Herman-PB0AHX> lucky u
[10:25] <LeoBodnar> But only G6GVI got this glitch so it should be just randomly correct packet
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[10:26] <LeoBodnar> checksum is only one byte so it is not improbably
[10:26] <LeoBodnar> *e
[10:27] <GMT> Leo, are you ever going to pre-announce your launches, or are they all 'a surprise'?
[10:27] <LeoBodnar> "$$MONDO-3,72,10:21:15,+5140.3332,+0001.1353,12445,03.8*7D", G6GVI
[10:27] <LeoBodnar> "$$MONDO-3,272,10:21:15,+5140.3332,+00021.1353,12445,03.8*7D", everybody else
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[10:28] <GMT> aah, missed out the '2' in the long
[10:28] <LeoBodnar> GMT: guilty as charged but I don't plan them ahead by more than few hours
[10:29] <LeoBodnar> missing 2 in packet number compensated missing 2 in long :)
[10:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> I hope chrisstubbsM6EDF's frequency is clearer
[10:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> MONDO-3 has lots of listeners though. However, I will be defecting to Chris's launch since MONDO is travelling away from me.
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[10:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> pe2g yes B-30 is stil flying and i go decode agn when mondo is down
[10:36] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Roger
[10:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> Mr G3WFK
[10:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> at sea?
[10:36] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: B-30 remaining out of range for me
[10:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> Loosing MONDO here
[10:37] <x-f> Reb-SM3ULC, he's in position for spotting B-30 visually :)
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[10:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> pe2g i writing hole night B-30
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[10:38] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Yes I noticed that, got out of bed to watch B-30's progress
[10:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes i can not receiving 2 signals on the same time i have 1 rx
[10:40] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Me neither
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[10:42] <LeoBodnar> Does MONDO have a camera? It's really interesting to see what sort of clouds are up there
[10:44] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: nah: 10:17:39 < chrisstubbs> cloudy but no cameras so..."
[10:44] <fsphil> no camera? pfft
[10:44] <GMT> isn't it a pico?
[10:44] <LeoBodnar> MONDO?
[10:45] <GMT> I thought Mondo was a pico, but I've not been paying too much attention
[10:45] <Maxell> chrisstubbsM6EDF is doing MONDO right?
[10:46] <Upu_M0UPU> nope Maxell
[10:46] <fsphil> pico's can have cameras too :)
[10:46] <fsphil> maybe
[10:47] <Maxell> Upu_M0UPU: ah, I've been looking at https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/ukhas/Sm_SG-my9e8
[10:47] <LeoBodnar> We are in the middle of two colliding airmasses http://www.sat24.com/?ir=true&ra=false&region=eu
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[10:49] <m3eav> starting to get mondo but no upload :-(
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[10:53] <G8IMN> Is it me, or is MONDO-3 rtty shift a bit high at 470Hz ??
[10:53] <m3eav> GH8imn same here about 475
[10:54] <G8IMN> With the auto configured settings of 425Hz, could not decode at all
[10:54] <GMT> I'm getting better results at 450
[10:56] <m3eav> just on verge of decode (wall in front of me) but cannot het on map or upload? 403 error runtime?
[10:57] <gonzo_> I see about 470hz shift
[10:59] <Maxell> 460 Hz sift here
[10:59] <Maxell> also werks
[10:59] <Maxell> quite drifty right now
[11:01] <LeoBodnar> I found that widening "receiver filter bandwidth" (red bars) to 200Hz helps
[11:02] <PE2G> bandwidth 200 Hz works here as well
[11:02] <PE2G> burst
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[11:03] <fsphil> typical, just as it was about to rise over my horizon
[11:04] <gonzo_> deep qsb, sounds bursty
[11:05] <fsphil> my ft-857 is refusing to talk properly to fldigi
[11:05] <fsphil> the frequency display keeps changing to random values
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[11:09] <fsphil> I've seen something similar before when two programs tried to access the radio at the same time, but that's definitly not happening
[11:10] <Herman-PB0AHX> so i am back to B-30
[11:11] <DL1SGP> fsphil, maybe a baudrate issue on the Cat CI-V port?
[11:13] <fsphil> 4800 on both sides
[11:13] <DL1SGP> ok
[11:18] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes B-30 stil visible on screen here
[11:18] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=CHEAPO is next up
[11:19] <Maxell> 1200 UTC CHEAPO 434.300Mhz 7N2
[11:19] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes i am standby
[11:20] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: B-30 dial 434.500 MHz?
[11:20] <Herman-PB0AHX> but for he is in range here i have 30 minuts
[11:21] <gonzo_> b30 should be very stable, so can you leave the decode running after 30min?
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[11:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes but i have 1 receiver and i wil trying receiv also cheapo
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[11:22] <Dutch-Millbt> Maxell B30 -> 434.500.98
[11:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes maxell
[11:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> 500.48 here
[11:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> a very stable signaal
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[11:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> Morning All :-)
[11:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: are You here ?
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[11:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> all: can someone receive @21 MHz ?
[11:32] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> launching in 5
[11:32] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> well
[11:32] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> 2
[11:32] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> brb
[11:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> hi tom
[11:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> 21 MHz which is that you can eat that hihihi lol I can unfortunately only above 144 MHz listen
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[11:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOL :-)
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[11:37] <gonzo_> looks like cheepo is off
[11:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: can You rx @21 MHz ?
[11:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes Tom, why?
[11:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> I see CHEAPO on the waterfall
[11:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> i want to test my payload :-)
[11:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll give it a go, audio only, I'm tracking CHEAPO, is that OK?
[11:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> audio is ok, maybe first - regular QSO @100 Watts :-)
[11:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> That would be great but my ATU isn't connected, sorry
[11:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can Rx though
[11:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just a loft antenna.
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[11:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> if You cant hear me @100Watts going to 0.5 makes no sense :-)
[11:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> Leo do you have any idea how long he keeps flying it is very quiet up there
[11:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok tune to 21.435 USB
[11:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm there
[11:41] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: CHEAPO already in the air!
[11:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok
[11:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes i see
[11:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx
[11:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> did You hear me ?
[11:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> Getting partials from CHEAPO
[11:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> I heard three dits Tom
[11:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> di-di-dit
[11:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> im calling You by voice
[11:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> SSB
[11:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> No voice I'm afraid
[11:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll try another radio, one moment
[11:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> 21.435
[11:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Try again
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[11:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> and?
[11:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, got you
[11:43] <Maxell> SP9UOB-Tom: I'm qrv websdr twente at 21435.00 kHz
[11:43] <Maxell> noting :P
[11:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, dead on frequency
[11:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice to hear you Tom, sorry I can't reply at the moment
[11:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: now on horizontal antenna
[11:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[11:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> 5/9
[11:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Great sig Tom
[11:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> one-way QSQ :-)
[11:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> one-way QSO
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[11:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, cross-mode repeater
[11:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> which antenna is better ?
[11:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> Horiz
[11:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> By a big margin
[11:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok just one check vertical
[11:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> And horiz?
[11:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> maxxel no that is not here only with cheapo thick interference on that frequency here unfortunately I think it does not work
[11:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> That time it didn't make a difference, oth 5/9
[11:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, give me a minute im have to solder antenna connector to my payload
[11:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK No worries
[11:47] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> my ascent is a little low
[11:47] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> see what happens :P
[11:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Only partials here at the moment Chris
[11:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK One green :-)
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[11:48] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: ok, I have "some" qrm on 434.300 so will do fine
[11:48] <M0PSX> Trying for Cheapo from Leigh-on-Sea. No decodes yet
[11:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> I hear Domino Tom
[11:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOL :-)
[11:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
[11:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> and Morse :-)
[11:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep
[11:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> A bit fast for me, I'm out of practice
[11:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> WOW :-)
[11:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> it is really QRP
[11:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> And I used to teach it....
[11:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> about 0.5 Watts
[11:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> I reckon that would decode
[11:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hang on, I@m not getting anything from CHEAPO (still) so I can switch over FLDigi
[11:50] <Maxell> SP9UOB-Tom: hey Im also ehadring domex
[11:50] <Maxell> domex16??
[11:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> yes
[11:51] <Maxell> OBjotS00000,00oi,000.t,EXoIt,oQo1e7ojjrWrrg
[11:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> but give me a minute. i have to reprogram it for prop=er timmings
[11:51] <Maxell> sure
[11:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Dom16?
[11:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> vvv
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[11:53] <Maxell> morse!
[11:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok have proper timmings
[11:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> $$sp9uob,0,000000,000.0,000.0,0,0,0,0,1211,0,200*93aa
[11:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> Perfect
[11:54] <bertrik> Nice!
[11:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, no problem
[11:54] <DL1SGP> Hi again Tom
[11:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi DL1SGP
[11:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> Didn't get that one, most of it
[11:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> vertical antenna about 40 meters above ground level
[11:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> Green
[11:55] <Maxell> SP9UOB-Tom: wow suddenly very strong one
[11:55] <Maxell> w00.0,0,0,0,0,1a
[11:55] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: yo, you testing?
[11:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: yes: 21.435 +1000
[11:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's really goo on .5W
[11:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> good
[11:56] <fsphil> aah cool you're being received
[11:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> GOt a tone going straight through the domino
[11:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: by You ?
[11:56] <G3ZGZ> copy your domino in Cleveleys Lancashire- weak with qsb. Sorry can't decode at the moment though
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[11:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> green despite added tome
[11:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, im going to switch to dominoex8
[11:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> it should be better
[11:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> wait
[11:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ready
[11:57] <x-f> Maxell, you still on twente websdr?
[11:58] <Maxell> x-f: yeah
[11:59] <Maxell> still decoding some
[11:59] <G3ZGZ> where are u txing domino from?
[11:59] <Maxell> morse very strong
[11:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> G3ZGZ: JO90HG
[11:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> I read that Tom
[11:59] <x-f> yeah, $$$$sp9cob,8,00200QoIo.eo
[11:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> Gliwice / Poland
[11:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Receiving
[11:59] <Maxell> rteen decode
[12:00] <Maxell> green: $$sp9uob,0,000000,000.0,000.0,0,0,0,0,1208,0,200*ffb5
[12:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> should be green most the time :-)
[12:00] <G3ZGZ> ok i'm hearing it now better in north west england
[12:00] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: still tuning
[12:00] <fsphil> what mode?
[12:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> domex8
[12:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Dom8
[12:00] <Maxell> very strong
[12:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Green
[12:00] <Maxell> oh it drifted down a bit
[12:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have to finnish this payload and launch it
[12:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Green - Quite bouncy LOL. Got a rythm to it
[12:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> Maxell: impossible :-)
[12:01] <Maxell> :(
[12:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> I haven't noticed any drift Maxell
[12:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Tone in the domino signal again
[12:01] <Maxell> You center with the morse code right?
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[12:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: it is not comming from me
[12:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, someone else, I'm sire
[12:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Corrupting the sig
[12:02] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: seeing some numbers
[12:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, im going to reduce power
[12:02] <g0hww> SP9UOB-Tom, good copy here with an Alex Loop and my KX3
[12:02] <fsphil> but nothing like a full string
[12:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> about 300 mW
[12:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> now
[12:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Still there
[12:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Getting data
[12:03] <fsphil> yea still getting fragments
[12:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> about 200 mW
[12:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Green
[12:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> now
[12:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> GOne
[12:03] <fsphil> nowhere near green here :)
[12:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> morse :-)
[12:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can JUST hear it
[12:03] <fsphil> is 1000hz the center domex frequency
[12:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> However, the PC can hear it
[12:03] <fsphil> or the lower tone?
[12:03] <DL1SGP> nothing heard here
[12:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> green
[12:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, working fine
[12:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: and now ?
[12:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Lost it
[12:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can still just hear it a little
[12:04] <Martin_G4FUI> Partials here in Penrith
[12:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> 3.6V supply now
[12:04] <Maxell> 3 minutes ago: $$spQuob,3,000X0,000.0,000.0ton0Sa
[12:04] <fsphil> nice
[12:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's come up a bit
[12:04] <g0hww> 21.434 dial +2060
[12:04] <fsphil> oh I can hear it now
[12:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> decoding
[12:05] <fsphil> dceoding well
[12:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> and now 12V
[12:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> No problem, decoding well now
[12:05] <fsphil> that's rather good
[12:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> green
[12:05] <fsphil> gone again
[12:05] <Martin_G4FUI> Green
[12:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> There is some QSB
[12:05] <fsphil> and back
[12:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> i can switch to slooooow domex4 for better deoding if You wish
[12:05] <g0hww> its stronger with me than B-30 was on 70cm
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[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> red but only one character got corrupted
[12:06] <fsphil> yea getting a few corrupt chars
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> green
[12:06] <fsphil> $$$$$$sp9uob-'4,ri000,000.:,000kor-ntS 0,122a,0,200*2c94
[12:06] <Martin_G4FUI> Three greens in a row
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> GEtting sub text too
[12:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, give me a minute, im going to domex4
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[12:06] <fsphil> you must try thor :)
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> ANd Hell
[12:07] <Martin_G4FUI> -20dB SNR give or take ...
[12:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> How are you supposed to tune it LOL
[12:07] <fsphil> yea I can't even see it
[12:07] <Maxell> Cant hear the morse so I can not center...
[12:07] <Maxell> DominoEX 4 @ 1020 qrv
[12:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Did you send that by hand Tom?
[12:08] <fsphil> I can hear you
[12:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> QSB
[12:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> no, by my CPU :-)
[12:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
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[12:09] <fsphil> decoding bits of it
[12:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, its so slooow :-)
[12:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah
[12:09] <Martin_G4FUI> green
[12:09] <fsphil> +1024hz
[12:09] <fsphil> ooh here we go
[12:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> but not so bad for allmost no tx power :-)
[12:09] <fsphil> bah, bad characters
[12:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> All OK here now
[12:10] <g0hww> $$$$sp9uob,0,00009,000.0,000.0,0
[12:10] <g0hww> ,0,0,0,1193,0,200*c0d7
[12:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Green $$sp9uob,1,000000,000.0,000.0,0,0,0,0,1219,0,200*26ad
[12:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: you have to dig out Your antenna from Your garden :-)
[12:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Lost it
[12:10] <Martin_G4FUI> Funny. that's exactly what I got :)
[12:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Deeper QSB now
[12:11] <fsphil> $$$$r$$$$$$$$sp9uob,2,00nrso00.0,000.0a0-0,0,raiaoR9,0,200*4d53
[12:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> im affraid, so in QSB cases faster transmission =better chance to decode
[12:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> See, I think FLDigi should be able to compare new strings with successful old ones and make correct them. At least for callsigns and repeated stuff
[12:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> green
[12:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> I want to implement FEC
[12:12] <fsphil> $$$$$$sp9uob,3,000000,000.0,000.0,0,0,0,0,1220,0,200*8840
[12:12] <fsphil> THOR has FEC :)
[12:12] <Martin_G4FUI> String 3 = green
[12:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok.. so lets freeze TCXO to -70 deg C
[12:12] <G3ZGZ> copying your domino 4 with just a short piece of wire about 3m off ground
[12:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> wait
[12:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[12:12] <Martin_G4FUI> I think it's drifting low (or I'm drifting high!)
[12:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have got ice on chip now :-)
[12:13] <g0hww> lol
[12:13] <Martin_G4FUI> Ooops!
[12:13] <DL1SGP> he seems to have a good path into the UK then :)
[12:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just shifted up 500
[12:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> did You hear it :-)
[12:13] <fsphil> yea it jumped quite a bit
[12:13] <GMT> but I can't hear Toms sig at all!
[12:13] <Martin_G4FUI> Coming down again
[12:13] <fsphil> and falling
[12:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> its very good txco :-)
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[12:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, slowly falling
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[12:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> its warming up
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[12:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Off
[12:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> morse :-)
[12:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> di dah di dah dit
[12:14] <Martin_G4FUI> Wouldn't know, listening to Radio 3 here :)
[12:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: could You record few minutes of transmission for me ?
[12:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sure
[12:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> with dl-fldigi please
[12:15] <fsphil> nearly got a full line
[12:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> file -> rxaudio capture
[12:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Recording
[12:15] <fsphil> bah, one bad character
[12:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: i dont want to incerase TX power - this will release "magic grey smoke" from final stage
[12:16] <DL1SGP> I can make a record too if you wanna listen to some white noise SP9UOB-Tom
[12:16] <DL1SGP> :P
[12:16] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/thor.tar.gz :)
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[12:16] <Martin_G4FUI> But you can always collect the smoke and put it back in again ! :)
[12:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> and as You know transistor without "magic grey smoke" in it is not working ;-)
[12:17] <fsphil> I can tell HF ballooning is going to be annoying :)
[12:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: thanks, i'll take a look later on
[12:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> Martin_G4FUI: lol
[12:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Sentence 9 green
[12:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> How many do you want recorded Tom?
[12:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> im affrait that is no way to put the smoke back ;-)
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[12:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> 3-5
[12:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[12:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> MP3 OK?
[12:18] <Martin_G4FUI> I once told one of my managers that's what I did to fix a fault - and he believed me for a while ...
[12:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> wav - uncompressed
[12:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[12:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOL
[12:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sentence 10 corrupted character
[12:18] <Martin_G4FUI> Frequency settled down a bit now
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[12:19] <fsphil> faded here
[12:19] <fsphil> and back
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[12:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Banging sicnal here most of the time. Just QSB at times
[12:19] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> oops cheapo just crossed streams with mondo
[12:19] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> we were warned...
[12:19] <fsphil> arg, more bad characters
[12:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> 11 is green
[12:20] <fsphil> $$$$$$sp9uob,11,000000,000(0b%00.0,0,0,0,0,1195,0,200*7239
[12:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: it should be much better in line-of-sight :-)
[12:20] <fsphil> stupid middle bit
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[12:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> fsphil: $$sp9uob,11,000000,000.0,000.0,0,0,0,0,1195,0,200*7239
[12:20] <fsphil> only a few out
[12:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> yep
[12:20] <fsphil> next one is the same
[12:20] <fsphil> middle is gone
[12:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Periodic QSB
[12:20] <Martin_G4FUI> Using OCF dipole in my loft here, still averaging about -20dB SNR
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[12:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> 12 green
[12:21] <mfa298> Martin_G4FUI: you need one of these for the magic smoke https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/10622
[12:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> -13/15/17
[12:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> mfa298: ROTFL :-)
[12:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> 13 green
[12:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is that enough Tom?
[12:22] <Martin_G4FUI> mfa298, LOL, said manager would probably have signed the order for a dozen!
[12:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: yes, thanks
[12:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK 14 corrupt so I@ll interupt
[12:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, im going to switch to artifical antenna now :-)
[12:22] <fsphil> noooooo
[12:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> no ?
[12:22] <fsphil> it was perfect until hte checksum
[12:22] <fsphil> $$$$$$sp9uob,14,000000,000.0,000.0,0,0,0,0,1220,0,200*4 aoa7
[12:22] <Martin_G4FUI> Teaser!
[12:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> turn on again
[12:23] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> cheapo just restarted, getting cold up there
[12:23] <number10_M0MDB> its a bit dodgey
[12:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have to leave in 20 minutes, but i can leave it turn on :-)
[12:23] <M0PSX> Cheers Chris - That explains why numbers were looking odd here
[12:23] <fsphil> lol nah. but I'd definitly be interested in seeing if thor is better
[12:24] <fsphil> or maybe worse
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[12:24] <fsphil> I've not had much luck with it on my own hardware
[12:24] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Hi Hi M0PSX
[12:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: when i back i try to push it into my beloved PIC ;-)
[12:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> green
[12:25] <M0PSX> Hi Chris - Gotcha loud and clear in Legh
[12:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> SP9UOB-Tom: Very good signal at the moment
[12:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> grgrgrgr nothing nothing nothing of cheapo only fault here s9 +30 grgrgrgr
[12:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> He says, as it fades LOL
[12:26] Action: SP9UOB-Tom is not touching anything
[12:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's just condx Tom
[12:27] <Martin_G4FUI> Pretty steady in IO84
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[12:28] <fsphil> fldigi's still giving me trouble
[12:28] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> M0PSX, Cool :) I got an email from Colin about doing a HAB talk and launch at CARS!
[12:28] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> shoudl be good fun
[12:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> actual image : http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/20131117_132653.jpg
[12:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> live ;-)
[12:29] <fsphil> oooh stronger now
[12:29] <fsphil> I can hear it clearly
[12:29] <Martin_G4FUI> It would be interesting to discover whether higher data rate + FEC is more or less robust than a lower data rate with no FEC
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[12:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice Tom :-)
[12:30] <fsphil> and gone again
[12:30] <M0PSX> chrisstubbsM6EDF - I'd heard your name mentioned for a possible talk. Count me in. Still want to come to a launch one day too
[12:33] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> blimey -30, signals starting to get messy now
[12:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> DEEP QSB now Tom
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[12:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> Off now Tom?
[12:36] <db_g6gzh> chrisstubbsM6EDF: listening to the audio there seems to be a sporadic chirp on the tones, also shows a horizontal spread in the waterfall
[12:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Yeah im getting the same db_g6gzh
[12:37] <GMT> same here, but didn't know how to describe it
[12:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> SP9UOB-Tom: Have you stopped Tx?
[12:38] <db_g6gzh> OK chrisstubbsM6EDF just wanted to let you know in case you'd not spotted it
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[12:38] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> It might be a little bit of dew forming on the RFM22B
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[12:39] <Martin_G4FUI> Still receiving here, Steve_G0TDJ
[12:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Martin_G4FUI: Completely gone to me
[12:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've defected to CHEAPO now :-)
[12:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have connected GPS signal to it
[12:40] <Martin_G4FUI> Just rebooted or something, got to string #16 now back to 0 unless that's the way the code works
[12:40] <Martin_G4FUI> Oo some "real" telemetry now ...
[12:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've lost it I'm afraid Tom. However, I've just been called out anyway
[12:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> yes it ar reboot
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[12:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, i have to go now, im turning it off :-)
[12:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> thanks to All for tests
[12:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> SP9UOB-Tom: You can find your recorcing at: http://www.g0tdj.com/audio/
[12:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> thanks
[12:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> No problem. We'll do some more sometime
[12:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-) CU a;;
[12:42] <DL1SGP> Pretty steadz nothing in JO52 as well :)
[12:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> chrisstubbsM6EDF: I'll leave the rig decoding but the signal is a bit ragged
[12:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-) CU aLL
[12:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> 73 Tom
[12:42] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Cheers steve
[12:42] <Martin_G4FUI> Interesting that ...
[12:42] <DL1SGP> 73 TOm
[12:42] <Martin_G4FUI> TTFN es BCNU
[12:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> And 73 everyone for now
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[12:42] <DL1SGP> bye bye steve, 73
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[13:06] <gonzo_> some very stranget peaks in the signal on cheepo. sounding almiosy like an intermittant joing
[13:06] <gonzo_> joint
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[13:32] <db_g6gzh> now that's what I call drift 8-)
[13:32] <GMT> CHEAPO burst
[13:38] <GMT> drift now levelling out
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[13:39] <GMT> now drifting back up again!
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[13:41] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> drifting too fast for my fldigi to keep up!
[13:43] <Upu_M0UPU> stinks of RFM22B
[13:43] <GMT> Im rapid re-tuning my scanner
[13:43] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> not going to bother recovering this one, went much further than anticipated
[13:43] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> lol Upu_M0UPU
[13:43] <nats`> someone could put a big fan in the sky to send the balloons near paris ? :D
[13:44] <db_g6gzh> my radio is getting retuned mid sentence most of the time
[13:44] <GMT> if you increase the bandwidth filter it should cope okay
[13:45] <db_g6gzh> I had to do that already to keep dl-fldigi tracking it 8-)
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[13:54] <fsphil> B-30 on a slow decline
[13:55] <fsphil> weird, normally it rises during daylight hours
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[13:55] <db_g6gzh> looks like cheapo might end up in civilisation
[13:55] <db_g6gzh> well, Haverhill 8-)
[13:55] <number10_M0MDB> haverhill - civilisation ?
[13:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> Civilisation is always a bad place to land for a HAB
[13:56] <GMT> a bit too far for me to go today
[13:56] <mfa298> number10_M0MDB: have you been acting as a hab magnet again, you seem to be well placed for payload landings.
[13:57] <number10_M0MDB> people keep sending them my way
[13:57] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Heh, I might get a phone call then
[13:58] <number10_M0MDB> two have been recievable when on the ground when I have had a decent antenna up
[13:59] <daveake> I do my best :)
[13:59] <number10_M0MDB> :)
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[14:00] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Well the tracker hardware and software worked great, so im happy this was a good test. Needed to test it at altitude after it screwed up in the summer.
[14:00] <db_g6gzh> might have just made it to someone's back garden
[14:01] <GMT> now you need to stop the freq drift
[14:01] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Could do with better insulation next time
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[14:02] <db_g6gzh> B-30 still loitering in Norfolk but seems to have stopped following the road
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[14:26] <Laurenceb__> its probably looking for the cannabis farms
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[14:44] <jarod> new sdr# out, now with the best option :P
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[15:02] <craag> jarod: Nice!
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[15:07] <qyx_> hm
[15:07] <qyx_> LeoBodnar: do you use two 0.5V panels connected in series?
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[15:13] <x-f> according to Hysplit backward "prediction" relative humidity was rising from 35% (midnight) to 60% (now), maybe that is why B-30 is slowly loosing altitude
[15:13] <DL7AD_> qyx_: no i think he has them parallel
[15:14] <DL7AD_> x-f: definetly... hope its being a second b-6
[15:15] <qyx_> they are soldered directly to grounded parts of the antenna so probably they are in parallel
[15:16] <qyx_> so they seem not to be the "standard ebay 0.5V type"
[15:19] <DL7AD_> qyx_: yes they are soldered to the antenna.... give me a second for posting a photo
[15:19] <qyx_> i found something on his site
[15:20] <DL7AD_> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-15/Pages/1.html
[15:21] <qyx_> yep
[15:22] <craag> qyx_: I think they are in parallel
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[15:23] <craag> As the solar voltage is about 0.5V
[15:23] <craag> which is one solar junction :)
[15:24] <qyx_> now it is but sometimes it has risen above 0.8V
[15:24] <qyx_> thats why i am asking
[15:24] <craag> Solar cells will do that. 0.5V is the maximum power point
[15:25] <craag> It'll rise to about 0.8V with no load
[15:25] <craag> ie when the battery is fully charged.
[15:26] <craag> Good solar cells will have a maximum power point of almost their max voltage.
[15:27] <craag> But cheap ones can be about half of the max.
[15:27] <craag> (High internal resistance of the cell)
[15:27] <qyx_> ok, thx
[15:27] <qyx_> i just wondered if single cell is enough for that spv1040
[15:28] <qyx_> but apprently it does very well with just 1 cell
[15:28] <craag> Looks like it's designed for single cell :)
[15:30] <qyx_> i am worried if the panel reaches the minimum voltage of 0.3V in not-so-ideal conditions
[15:30] <qyx_> i will try
[15:30] <craag> If it reaches 0.3V there's going to be not nearly enough power coming out of it to do anything anyway.
[15:31] <craag> THe point of MPPT tracking is that it'll lower the current to allow the voltage to rise up to 0.5V
[15:31] <craag> At which point you're getting the most *power* out of the solar panel you can.
[15:32] <qyx_> yes but the mpp depends on the illumination level
[15:32] <craag> Which will work great if you can step-up that 0.5V to trickle-charge a battery.
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[15:32] <qyx_> in cloudy day it doesn't need to be as high as 0.5V
[15:33] <craag> It'll get it as high as it can.
[15:34] <craag> But if it can't get it higher than 0.3V, then there's going to be almost no power coming out of the panel anyway.
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[16:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> B-20 homesick? 24h and still above the islands
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[16:05] <DL1SGP2> heh Reb-SM3ULC
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[16:14] <x-f> none of the B-flights have spent so much time in the UK
[16:15] <DL1SGP> yeah that was what I was thinking about earlier, would have been dieal for a long presentation weekend with live-demos lol
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[16:59] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[17:06] <craag> Hello Lunar_Lander_
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander_> how are you?
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[17:10] <DL1SGP> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander_
[17:11] <gonzo_> cheepo down. Any plans to recover ?
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander_> hallo
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[17:18] <x-f> gonzo_, 15:43:14 <chrisstubbsM6EDF> not going to bother recovering this one, went much further than anticipated
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[17:23] <gonzo_> there is a local stn there, winder if he may go for a wander?
[17:23] <gonzo_> ta for the update x-f
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[17:50] <DL7AD_> who was talking about humidity this afternoon?
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[18:13] <Laurenceb__> https://github.com/ajhc/demo-cortex-m3/blob/master/stm32f3-discovery/hs_src/MainMorseCode.hs
[18:13] <Laurenceb__> lulwut
[18:16] <arko> wow is B-30 just leaving england?
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[18:21] <fsphil> haha
[18:21] <fsphil> G3WFK
[18:22] <fsphil> is in a good, but unlikely, position to track it
[18:23] <arko> lol
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[18:23] <fsphil> random nit pick: hate websites that redirect to a 404 page -- they should leave the url alone so I can fix it
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[18:29] <x-f> true
[18:30] <DL7AD> arko: it did not leave yet ^^
[18:31] <fsphil> and it might come back
[18:32] <Laurenceb__> http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20131115
[18:33] <x-f> B-30 is riding the waves
[18:34] <Laurenceb__> altitude control via cloud layers
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[19:09] <MobileNathan> Hey guys, quick question. My friend and I want to know if anyone has any experience with Arduino GPS shields and if anyone has used them to track their payload after landing.
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[19:13] <Upu_M0UPU> hi MobileNathan
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[19:13] <Upu_M0UPU> I don't know of any Arduino GPS shield that has a GPS that works above 18km
[19:13] <MobileNathan> Hi
[19:14] <Upu_M0UPU> apart from the Habduino
[19:14] <Upu_M0UPU> which does
[19:14] <Upu_M0UPU> because I made it
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[19:14] <Upu_M0UPU> http://habduino.org/
[19:14] <Upu_M0UPU> also has a radio
[19:14] <Willdude123> Hi Upu_M0UPU, just been watching some videos on how to solder these resistors and caps
[19:14] <MobileNathan> We don't need anything that works above 18 km; we only need it to transmit when it gets close to the ground.
[19:14] <Upu_M0UPU> hmm not really MobileNathan
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[19:15] <Upu_M0UPU> if you transmit all the time you know exactly where it is all the time
[19:15] <Upu_M0UPU> and you get a prediciton of where its going to land
[19:15] <Upu_M0UPU> which means recovery is much easier
[19:15] <Willdude123> So it means you can drive there as it's going down for quicker recovery also
[19:16] <fsphil> B-30 going nowhere fast
[19:16] <craag> And some GPSs will lock up above 18km, and not recover on the way down..
[19:16] <MobileNathan> Upu_MOUPU, I will check out your site. We have a prediction of where the payload will land already, but all we need is the GPS shield to send the coords via SMS when it reaches an altitude where it can transmit.
[19:16] <craag> Ah, you mean GSM shield?
[19:17] <Willdude123> MobileNathan, what if there's no GSM coverage where it lands?
[19:17] <MobileNathan> Yes sir. But we would need a GPS shield as well.
[19:17] <Willdude123> Or is this a backup?
[19:17] <MobileNathan> I was wondering that too, Wildude123
[19:17] <fsphil> GSM is fine as a backup, but I wouldn't trust a payload to only that
[19:17] <Willdude123> That's why most HABs use RTTY transmitters too
[19:17] <craag> I have a lot of experience with the GSM shield, but wouldn't use it for a HAB!
[19:17] <fsphil> radio tracking is definitly more reliable, though it will take a little (but not much!) more work
[19:17] <Upu_M0UPU> GSM trackers have a 50% chance of loosing your payload
[19:17] <Upu_M0UPU> probably greater
[19:18] <Willdude123> Then you can DF for it when it lands if the transmitter fails
[19:18] <Upu_M0UPU> back yes, primary no
[19:18] <craag> Well there was that 'Stratocache' where less than half of their dropped GSM stuff transmitted back.
[19:18] <fsphil> ooh yes
[19:18] <fsphil> forgot about them
[19:19] <fsphil> did they all have GSM? that was a good test
[19:19] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[19:19] <MobileNathan> Lol, this is making me depressed. My friend and I are relatively new to weather balloon launching, so you guys suggest we use the GSM as backup and get a HAM license?
[19:19] <craag> I assume so, they weren't radio and were too small for satellite.
[19:19] <Upu_M0UPU> you don't need a ham license
[19:19] <Upu_M0UPU> in fact you can't use a HAM license for this
[19:19] <fsphil> unless you're in the US, in which case you might
[19:20] <MobileNathan> I know.
[19:20] <Upu_M0UPU> have you done anything with an Arduino before ?
[19:20] <MobileNathan> Yes.
[19:20] <mfa298> MobileNathan: depends on where you are
[19:20] <Upu_M0UPU> ok so you can make the LED blink ?
[19:20] <MobileNathan> Yes, that's pretty basic.
[19:20] <Upu_M0UPU> you can transmit radio then seriously it IS that simple :
[19:20] <Upu_M0UPU> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[19:20] <fsphil> 434mhz is license free in europe
[19:20] <MobileNathan> My friends and I took multiple classes with Arduino and used it for a while; that's why we wanted to use it for this.
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[19:21] <fsphil> the arduino works pretty well for this task
[19:21] <Upu_M0UPU> so make that radio circuit and then add a suitable GPS module
[19:21] <Upu_M0UPU> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=68
[19:21] <fsphil> as long as you don't use software serial :)
[19:21] <Upu_M0UPU> and you're set
[19:22] <Upu_M0UPU> oh reminds me that new board you can use with the hardware serial as you have to enable the level converter
[19:22] <Upu_M0UPU> and don't use an Adafruit GPS as they stop at 27km
[19:22] <MobileNathan> Upu_M0UPU, are you suggesting we use this as a main of backup?
[19:22] <mfa298> MobileNathan: where are you based ?
[19:22] <MobileNathan> SoCal
[19:23] <craag> ah
[19:23] <MobileNathan> We are launching in the Mojave, most likely. Haven't picked an exact spot yet.
[19:23] <Upu_M0UPU> I would make the radio tracker as the main
[19:23] <MobileNathan> Ok
[19:23] <Upu_M0UPU> and use a GSM as a backup
[19:23] <Upu_M0UPU> however sorry US based ?
[19:23] <fsphil> wonder if you're near arko
[19:23] <Upu_M0UPU> the 434Mhz isn't exactly license exempt over there
[19:23] <MobileNathan> Yes, we are near Arko.
[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> its exempt for intermittant control purposes
[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> I believe
[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> speak to arko anyway
[19:24] <fsphil> a 2 hour flight is kind of intermittant :)
[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah
[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
[19:24] <MobileNathan> Wait, what's Arko?
[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[19:24] <MobileNathan> We are near Arko, Glendale.
[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> a strange mythical beast
[19:24] <fsphil> lol
[19:24] <MobileNathan> That's what I though you meant.
[19:25] Action: Upu_M0UPU points at arko
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[19:25] <fsphil> arko is a real person, I've even seen him
[19:25] <MobileNathan> Ohhh
[19:25] <Upu_M0UPU> I've touched him
[19:25] <fsphil> oooh
[19:25] <daveake> ohh
[19:25] <Upu_M0UPU> he lives in the States
[19:25] <Upu_M0UPU> btw
[19:25] <MobileNathan> In Cali?
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander_> XD!
[19:25] <fsphil> in LA
[19:25] <Upu_M0UPU> if you do get a HAM license MobileNathan that Habduino shield can do APRS as well
[19:26] <MobileNathan> Ohhhh!!! That's good to know!
[19:26] <craag> MobileNathan: http://arkorobotics.com/contact.html
[19:26] <Upu_M0UPU> needs another radio module but the code can transmit both APRS and 434Mhz at the same time
[19:26] <craag> ALthough he'll probably turn up in here soon enough.
[19:26] <Upu_M0UPU> your APRS network over there is way better than ours
[19:26] <MobileNathan> Does it do GSM?
[19:27] <Upu_M0UPU> http://www.arkorobotics.com/
[19:27] <Upu_M0UPU> no
[19:27] <Upu_M0UPU> GSM sucks :)
[19:27] <MobileNathan> Why's that? No network coverage?
[19:27] <Upu_M0UPU> coverage
[19:27] <Upu_M0UPU> they don't always work when they come back down
[19:27] <Upu_M0UPU> GPS seems to get confused
[19:27] <craag> Especially coverage 2 inches off the ground (where your landed payload is)
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> the main issue is the GSM trackers are generally cheap tat from China
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> so everything is cheap, antennas etc
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> doubt the batteries are up to much either
[19:28] <mfa298> don't forget that the coverage for gsm at ground level (in a ditch, under the payload) is not as good as when it's held at head height
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> dunno I've seen many launches lost with people using GSM trackers
[19:28] <daveake> IME they're pretty deaf on both GSM and GPS
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> *only
[19:28] <eroomde> you can get separate gsm modems
[19:29] <eroomde> and rig them to your own tracker
[19:29] <eroomde> works better than a completely self-contained unit
[19:29] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah if you do that its a much better idea
[19:29] <daveake> yup
[19:29] <Upu_M0UPU> you have control over what goes in
[19:29] <fsphil> plus you can send custom data
[19:29] <daveake> or video :p
[19:29] <fsphil> steady on
[19:29] <daveake> lol
[19:29] <mfa298> can you do ssdv over gsm ?
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[19:30] <daveake> you could but you might as well ftp the files
[19:30] <fsphil> yea I'd just use jpeg if I had a 2 way link
[19:30] <fsphil> slightly better compression
[19:30] <nats`> I have 15dB :)
[19:30] <nats`> wouhou
[19:30] <craag> nats`: well done!
[19:31] <nats`> will see because I don't understand why
[19:31] <fsphil> or webp, slightly better again compression
[19:31] <nats`> that's should be worst than before
[19:31] <craag> fsphil: +1 for webp
[19:31] Action: mfa298 waits for someone to impliment a form of ssdv over sms (got to use those unlimited texts for something) :p
[19:32] Action: Willdude123 would expect the men in pink coats to come for mfa298
[19:32] <fsphil> no reason that couldn't be made to work
[19:32] <fsphil> anything that can carry bits will do :)
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[19:34] <Willdude123> *men in magenta coats
[19:34] <Willdude123> So nobody got my crap T-mobile joke then?
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[19:35] <arko> MobileNathan: hey
[19:35] <fsphil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SK0QyHcCIw
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[19:35] <arko> you're in glendale?
[19:35] <MobileNathan> No, LA
[19:35] <MobileNathan> But I am near Glendale.
[19:35] <arko> haha
[19:36] <arko> how did you know im near glendale?
[19:36] <MobileNathan> Looked you up. Thanks for helping me.
[19:36] <Willdude123> Well I thought it was funny
[19:36] <arko> ?
[19:36] <arko> i helped you?
[19:36] <MobileNathan> Thanks for talking to me is what I meant.
[19:36] <arko> ah
[19:36] <Upu_M0UPU> it got confusing arko as he lives near arko
[19:36] <arko> cool
[19:36] <arko> hahaha
[19:36] <MobileNathan> Can we private chat arko?
[19:37] <Upu_M0UPU> I need to afk
[19:37] <arko> sure, send me a pm
[19:37] <fsphil> wait, you live near "Arko Foods International"
[19:37] <arko> hahahaha
[19:37] <arko> thats a real place in glendale
[19:37] <fsphil> and "Arko signs"
[19:37] <fsphil> awesome
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[19:39] <fsphil> there is nowhere called fsphil
[19:39] <fsphil> I should fix that
[19:39] <arko> hahaha
[19:39] <fsphil> B-30 really doesn't want to travel out over water
[19:40] <arko> thats pretty awesome though
[19:40] <fsphil> and the altitude is all over the place
[19:40] <fsphil> it must be going between layers
[19:41] <Willdude123> fsphil, you could name your house that, surely?
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[19:41] <fsphil> if I ever get a house in the country I'll declare it a town
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[19:42] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander_> cool!
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[19:49] <Laurenceb__> http://mobilecg.hu/
[19:49] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[19:51] <arko> B-30 is such a troll
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[19:52] <fsphil> would a temperature difference in the air layers cause that altitude flip flop?
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[19:54] <arko> oh wow
[19:54] <arko> thats totally possible
[19:54] <arko> if he's boyant at the meeting off those layers
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[19:55] <Laurenceb__> i doubt it
[19:56] <Laurenceb__> looks like it hitting a layer of cloud at 6Km
[19:56] <Laurenceb__> thats why it was low all day
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander_> hi S_Mark
[19:58] <S_Mark> hey Lunar_Lander_
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander_> how's life?
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[20:00] <S_Mark> good thanks
[20:00] <arko> B-30 seems to be taking the flight path of an hourly prediction
[20:00] <arko> nice job LeoBodnar :P
[20:00] <S_Mark> prep for 3rd launch underway
[20:00] <arko> this is awesome
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[20:00] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
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[20:10] <Reb-SM3ULC> B-30, the stalled one
[20:11] <bertrik> afraid of getting its feet wet :)
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[20:20] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rt9zX1rZFU
[20:20] <arko> wow
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[20:27] <SpeedEvil> It's kinda cheating if your RC plane is bigger than the smallest piloted plane.
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> Piloted jet
[20:27] <arko> eh
[20:27] <S_Mark> Just helping someone, has anyone had any issues with running an Arduino Nano and a ubox ?
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmjZlaacPd8
[20:28] <bertrik> arko: nice landing too
[20:28] <arko> yeah, seriously impressed, i can barely get on the runway when i fly
[20:28] <arko> the rc stuff
[20:28] <fsphil> that is very impressive
[20:29] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> whats the problem S_Mark?
[20:30] <eroomde> S_Mark: are they powering the ublox off the nano's LDO supply?
[20:30] <eroomde> if so that could cause issues
[20:30] <S_Mark> yes possibly, what would the symptoms of those issues?
[20:30] <eroomde> it not working very well :)
[20:30] <eroomde> random brownouts
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> Everything from poor signal strength and intermittent lock to not booting at all
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> (the GPS)
[20:31] <eroomde> struggling to get a lock, garbled nmea parsing
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[20:32] <S_Mark> hmm yes that does sound familiar
[20:32] <eroomde> it's only rated for 150mA iirc
[20:33] <bertrik> I recently read about an issue with the TEST pin on the USB-serial chip of the nano (or nano-clones)
[20:33] <S_Mark> ah ok
[20:34] <arko> water ahoy!
[20:34] <bertrik> this pin should be grounded, but apparently is left floating on some designs and this gives problems sometimes
[20:34] <fsphil> arrr
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[20:36] <x-f> its flight path is quite amusing
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[20:38] <fsphil> now that's a nick
[20:38] <eroomde> golly
[20:39] <eroomde> I once worked with a guy called Chris Peacock
[20:39] <eroomde> which was wonderful
[20:39] <Upu_M0UPU> Me too
[20:39] <fsphil> I didn't
[20:39] <eroomde> he was an actor and always introduced himself as christopher peacock
[20:39] <eroomde> which didn't fool no one
[20:40] <fsphil> lol
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[20:42] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsM6EDF: around?
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[20:44] <cm13g09> oh... B-30 is up :P
[20:44] <cm13g09> Should've guessed
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[20:44] <DL7AD> 8 hours to go : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/920064946/oscilloscope-watch
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[20:47] <fsphil> scope on a watch ... seems a bit silly
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[20:51] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> cm13g09, hi
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[21:40] <cm13g09> sorry chrisstubbsM6EDF
[21:40] <cm13g09> kinda wandered off ;)
[21:40] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Whats up
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[21:49] <Upu_M0UPU> ping chrisstubbsM6EDF - can I remove cheapo from the map
[21:49] <Upu_M0UPU> ?
[21:50] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> 1 sec
[21:50] <Upu_M0UPU> no rush just tidying up
[21:51] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> all done now, go for it
[21:51] <Upu_M0UPU> cheers
[21:51] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> I suspect its up one of those trees
[21:51] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> if im lucky it might be in someones garden
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[21:57] <cm13g09> and again....
[21:57] <cm13g09> lol
[21:57] <cm13g09> just wondering how your flight went
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[21:58] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsM6EDF: ^^
[21:59] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Ah okay thanks, easier launch than the wind last time with you :P
[22:00] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Didnt end up going to recover, bit it got a nice altitude and proved the hardware/software
[22:00] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> *mut
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[22:10] <hackvana> chrisstubbsM6EDF: Congrats on your flight
[22:10] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> *but
[22:10] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> double typo haha
[22:10] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> cheers hackvana :D
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander_> hey hackvana
[22:11] <hackvana> Yup
[22:11] <Laurenceb__> the balloon in the sky goes up and down, up and down, up and down
[22:11] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[22:11] <Laurenceb__> all dayy loonnnggg
[22:11] <DL1SGP> hi hackvana, hehe Laurenceb
[22:12] <hackvana> Laurenceb__ must have kids
[22:12] <mattbrejza> i hope not
[22:13] <Reb-SM3ULC> Laurenceb__: :)
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[22:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> There should be another toplist. Travelled distance / duration
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
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[22:27] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: leo? at which point does the balloon start to transmit aprs?
[22:27] <Laurenceb__> i wonder if it would be possible to use an upwards facing thermopile to do cloud detection
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[22:27] <Laurenceb__> or maybe up and down facing
[22:27] <Upu_M0UPU> DL7AD it has a geofence in code
[22:28] <Upu_M0UPU> once it leaves the UK teritorial waters it starts
[22:28] <Upu_M0UPU> and promptly stops in France
[22:28] <DL7AD> wheres the borer?
[22:28] <Upu_M0UPU> Not sure if he's using my fences but if so :
[22:28] <Upu_M0UPU> https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=https:%2F%2Fraw.github.com%2FUpuaut%2FAPRS_Projects%2Fmaster%2FData%2FEurope.kml&hl=en&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=7.622047,20.083008&t=h&z=3
[22:29] <DL7AD> okay second.... where does leo has his geofence in the tracker?
[22:29] <DL7AD> i dont think he has the full resolution
[22:29] <Upu_M0UPU> note that geofence is very rough
[22:30] <Upu_M0UPU> https://github.com/Upuaut/APRS_Projects/blob/master/Pico92/geofence.h
[22:30] <Upu_M0UPU> takes about 4k on a AVR I think
[22:30] <DL7AD> yes.... and because i dont know how rough leo's geofence is, i wanna ask
[22:31] <Upu_M0UPU> like I say if he's using the one I made
[22:31] <Upu_M0UPU> rough but servicable
[22:31] <DL7AD> hm..
[22:31] <Upu_M0UPU> that map link is it
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[22:32] <Upu_M0UPU> whats the hm.. ? :)
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander_> xD!
[22:32] <DL7AD> *gotcha
[22:33] <Upu_M0UPU> you're not going to get a super hi res geofence on an 8 bit µC with limited ram
[22:33] <DL1SGP> :)
[22:34] <DL7AD> its a german onomatopoeia
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[22:35] <DL7AD> okay next big question Upu_M0UPU
[22:35] <Upu_M0UPU> big question
[22:35] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
[22:35] <DL7AD> will B-30 survive the next 24h?
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[22:36] <Upu_M0UPU> http://www.ask8ball.net/
[22:36] <Upu_M0UPU> "Don't count on it"
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[22:36] <DL1SGP> yes, it will not decompose in any natural way within 24h, the question would be if it still would float and be heard :D
[22:36] <qyx_> :D
[22:36] <DL7AD> => Outlook not so good
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[22:37] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: yes it will float....
[22:37] <DL7AD> on water
[22:39] <DL1SGP> and?
[22:40] <LeoBodnar> I have my own country boundaries as I have a different resolution and code but they are similar to Upu's
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander_> on milk XD
[22:42] <DL1SGP> lol Lunar_Lander_
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[22:43] <LeoBodnar> There is no reason to make boundaries very accurate. I use two 16bit storage locations for each lat/lon point
[22:43] <DL7AD> Signs that makes no sense => http://www.n24.de/n24/Mediathek/Bilderserien/d/3829378/schilder--die-keinen-sinn-machen.html
[22:44] <LeoBodnar> Haha, where's that translated Welsh roadsign?
[22:45] <fsphil> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7702913.stm
[22:45] <fsphil> classic
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[22:46] <DL7AD> rofl
[22:46] <fsphil> http://craphound.com/images/translateservererror.jpg
[22:47] <DL7AD> by the way... what was longest city name of the world?
[22:47] <DL7AD> think it came from there
[22:47] <DL7AD> sry village not city
[22:47] <fsphil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll
[22:48] <DL7AD> yeah here we go ^^
[22:48] <DL7AD> (or the balloon h#next time)
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[22:49] <gonzo_> the signs translation reminded me of the story I was told of some firends in france, trying out their recently learned night school french. When asking for the bill in a restaraunt, the waiters just looked bemused and walked off.
[22:50] <gonzo_> only after a few more attempts, a frenchman speaking good englist explained, you were asking for 'the birds beak'
[22:50] <fsphil> lol
[22:50] <fsphil> what's that in french?
[22:50] <gonzo_> beek... Nope that doesn't look any better
[22:51] <fsphil> I remember learning "l'addition, sil'vous'plaus" -- only spelled correctly
[22:51] <gonzo_> not a clue! I don'y speak it
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander_> xD!
[22:51] <fsphil> l'addition, s'il vous plait
[22:52] <DL7AD> heee?
[22:52] <cm13g09> quite literally "The addition, if you please"
[22:52] <fsphil> my spelling sucks in multiple languages
[22:52] <cm13g09> if I remember
[22:52] <gonzo_> and as the code I am working on at the mo has onoly french commenting (and is written in what I can only assume is a french style!) I have no wish to
[22:52] <gonzo_> I only speak two languages, english is my 2nd. Bad language is my first
[22:53] <fsphil> aah, "bill" is french for beak
[22:53] <DL7AD> okay... lets switch back to chinese... pls
[22:53] <DL1SGP> typonese should be universal world language
[22:53] <gonzo_> not enough chrs on the keyboard!
[22:53] <cm13g09> sure hackvana could help us with the Chinese.....
[22:53] <gonzo_> i spoke it flewrentrlky
[22:54] <fsphil> isn't that korean?
[22:54] <cm13g09> it's OK - nothing is as bad as Chinglish....
[22:54] <cm13g09> which is what often happens in Chinese-developed instruction manuals...
[22:55] <cm13g09> after all....
[22:56] <cm13g09> who really wants this gem: "Is send complesed? Press the any key."
[22:56] <cm13g09> Should've said
[22:56] <cm13g09> "Sending is completed. Press any key"
[22:56] <cm13g09> right idea....
[22:56] <cm13g09> just not quite...
[22:56] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/LhxwQaT.png
[22:56] <fsphil> yum
[22:57] <cm13g09> fsphil: good one
[22:57] <fsphil> I wonder if half these are real
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[23:00] <hackvana> The Chinese says "please keep it clean of dog do"
[23:00] <hackvana> In the one above, the two characters say "cafeteria". I can't make out the ones above that
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[23:01] <fsphil> is it a tricky language?
[23:01] <fsphil> it looks like impossible code to me
[23:01] <hackvana> Actually I suspect they're the same, except the font is different
[23:02] <hackvana> Good news: Chinese grammar is very regular, far more than English and many European languages.
[23:02] <hackvana> No verb conjugation, no variations for singular and plural, gender, no differences for tenses
[23:02] <DL7AD> more than german?
[23:02] <fsphil> gender seems a particular useless language feature
[23:03] <hackvana> Bad news: Learning characters is a feat of brute force memorisation (no way around it)
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[23:03] <hackvana> It's a tonal language, so if you can't control and hear pitch properly, it'll never work for you
[23:03] <hackvana> And due to a limited number of sounds, it's a homonym nightmare
[23:03] <hackvana> But apart from that, it's lots of good fun
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander_> ohhhhh
[23:04] <DL1SGP> in that case chinese sounds like rtty to me :)
[23:04] <fsphil> I think I'd be better at japanese
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[23:04] <fsphil> they at least have an alphabet
[23:04] <fsphil> even if they don't always use it
[23:06] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_AFK -> Steve_G0TDJ
[23:06] <DL1SGP> welcome back Steve
[23:07] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Im off, Night!
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[23:13] <LeoBodnar> Japanese have three alphabets
[23:13] <LeoBodnar> Well two phonetik ones
[23:13] <LeoBodnar> phonetic
[23:14] <db_g6gzh_> Confusing when you've worked out the name of the station to get off at from the map in the train and then the platform sign is in another alphabet.
[23:14] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[23:15] <fsphil> I read that one of them isn't used too often, mostly for foreign words
[23:15] <LeoBodnar> but there are plenty of them! kohee makudonarudu etc
[23:15] <fsphil> not sure I'd like japan. I don't like fish, and they seem to live on it
[23:16] <db_g6gzh_> katakana
[23:17] <fsphil> hiragana is the other one
[23:17] <LeoBodnar> and then kanji but good news is there are only 2000 in basic use
[23:17] <db_g6gzh_> and kanji
[23:17] <fsphil> kanji is where it gets confusing
[23:18] <db_g6gzh_> other food is available, I'm not a great fish fan myself
[23:18] <fsphil> so if someone in china is speaking over the phone, and need to write down a word they don't know the symbol off ... they can't ask the other person to spell it
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[23:19] <db_g6gzh_> good point
[23:20] <fsphil> they must have a method
[23:21] <db_g6gzh_> B-30 has now left territorial waters
[23:22] <fsphil> finally
[23:22] <fsphil> sheesh
[23:22] <db_g6gzh_> it could yet cross back
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[23:31] <LeoBodnar> Find all of these on B-30 altitude chart http://www.investopedia.com/university/technical/techanalysis8.asp
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[23:33] <Lunar_Lander_> LeoBodnar, so
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander_> 30 flights, 30 trajectories
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander_> a lot of data to look at :)
[23:35] <DL7AD> oh have a look to arko's balloon. its burning!
[23:35] <DL7AD>
[23:36] <arko> well it went super sonic over the pacific ocean
[23:36] <arko> you'd think it would heat up more
[23:36] <DL7AD> hehe have a look to its temperature
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander_> xD!
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[23:37] <arko> it's suppose to be divided by 10
[23:37] <arko> its really 21C
[23:37] <arko> 21.8C or whatever
[23:38] <arko> it was just a test hab
[23:39] <DL7AD> which temperature sensor do you use arko?
[23:39] <arko> BMP085
[23:39] <arko> it's a terrible sensor
[23:39] <arko> long story why im using it
[23:39] <arko> never use it
[23:39] <arko> its crap
[23:39] <DL7AD> its transmitting "milli-celcius"
[23:39] <DL7AD> im using BMP180
[23:40] <arko> im pretty sure thats deci-celcius no?
[23:40] <DL7AD> but BMP180 is just the smaller one
[23:40] <arko> right
[23:40] <arko> its a much more sane sensor
[23:40] <DL7AD> ehm yes youre right
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah BMP180 is the new one, right?
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander_> BMP085 being phased out
[23:41] <DL7AD> yes... BMP085 is obsolete
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[23:41] <LeoBodnar> Huston, give us a reading on the 51 program alarm.
[23:41] <DL7AD> Husten?
[23:42] <DL7AD> :D
[23:42] <LeoBodnar> *o
[23:42] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: have a look to the german dictionary
[23:44] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[23:44] <Lunar_Lander_> Houston, Texas, he meant
[23:45] <DL7AD> yes i was kidding
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[23:47] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander_: i ordered pcbs two weeks ago. and some days ago tong tong yang wrote to me, he wanna know my EORI number....
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander_> oh
[23:47] <DL7AD> do you know something about EORI?
[23:48] <RocketBoy> i do
[23:48] <DL7AD> i told them, i dont have that number
[23:49] <RocketBoy> Economic Operator Registration and Identification - its a number like a VAT registration number for businesses
[23:49] <DL7AD> has something to do with toll
[23:50] <DL7AD> RocketBoy: ah okay...
[23:50] <DL7AD> thats a kind of VAT-number?
[23:50] <DL7AD> gewerbenummer?
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[23:50] <RocketBoy> sort of - its for importing/export
[23:51] <DL7AD> no i dont think i have this number
[23:51] <RocketBoy> for I'mport duty etc (and VAT)
[23:51] <RocketBoy> you wont unless you are a business
[23:51] <DL7AD> okay. they told me they need this number for DHL... for UPS they dont need that number
[23:52] <DL7AD> in the end i told them to ship it with ups
[23:52] <RocketBoy> surprising
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[23:52] <DL7AD> RocketBoy: yes i have a business... but i think i dont have this number ^^
[23:53] <DL7AD> but who cares... it will come the same way with ups
[23:53] <RocketBoy> ah - well if you import something from outside the EU then you will need to apply for one
[23:53] <DL7AD> yes. china => germany
[23:53] <RocketBoy> wait and see
[23:54] <RocketBoy> they may call you when it arrives in country
[23:54] <RocketBoy> thats what normally happens to me
[23:54] <RocketBoy> then you'll need to apply fro an EORI
[23:55] <DL7AD> i hope... because on day im not at home... that was the reason to choose dhl
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