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[00:05] <WillTablet> Laurenceb_ awesome
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[00:35] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Neat thing on the NASA conference today - take a couple of tubes, attach to a copter rotor, plug the near end of one, the far end of the other. Attach microvalves and pneumatic actuators between them, and you can get a swashplateless helicopter.
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[02:06] <DL7AD_> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FM0XER-8&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[02:06] <DL7AD_> leo balloons position just updated 15min ago
[02:07] <DL7AD_> on aprs
[02:07] <DL7AD_> one point
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[02:42] <DL7AD> rofl... thats crazy http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub/arlTraj.swf?client=gme-noaa&channel=OAR.ARL.HQ.HYSPLIT&dir=/hypubout/HYSPLITtraj_180128&data=/hysplit_metadata&ext=html arko
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[04:30] <DL7AD> morning
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[05:16] <DL7AD> morning
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[05:36] <arko> DL7AD: haha nice!
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[06:27] <DL7AD> morning
[06:44] <arko> hey hey
[06:44] <arko> http://spacepager.com/
[06:44] <arko> template at the moment
[06:44] <arko> trying to fix my damn web2py server
[06:44] <arko> otherwise i would have it do something like registration at minimum
[06:57] <DL7AD> you're late arko ;)
[07:04] <x-f> morning
[07:06] <x-f> is that a valid position for B-29?
[07:07] <x-f> it is way too low to be in range for its receiver
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[07:08] <x-f> and just one single point
[07:09] <Upu> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FM0XER-8&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[07:09] <Upu> looks like it got one APRS transmission out before it splashed down
[07:10] <Upu> actually it got 2 out
[07:10] <arko> oh?
[07:10] <arko> so you could get velocity?
[07:10] <Upu> 013-11-15 01:51:35 UTC: M0XER-8>APRS,WIDE2*,qAR,F2VI:!/8p*BOP_!O Cw/A=025806
[07:10] <Upu> 2013-11-15 03:27:04 UTC: M0XER-8>APRS,F8KLY-3,WIDE2*,qAR,F5GJJ-4:!/8qz1O[&EO Ig/A=000748
[07:10] <arko> ah
[07:10] <arko> nope
[07:11] <x-f> ah, didn't see that previous one
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[07:35] <DL7AD> morning
[07:38] <WillTablet> Upu I got the antenna, thanks
[07:38] <Upu> nps WillTablet
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[08:06] <fsphil> aww, he missed france
[08:09] <tjanos> Good morning!
[08:09] <tjanos> Sven, did you check you topic on ukhas googlegroup? I proposed a simple trikk, and appeared some discussion.
[08:11] <WillTablet> We need a word for the fear of numbers stations
[08:11] <WillTablet> How about numbers stations phobia?
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[08:13] <WillTablet> They scare me so much
[08:14] <DL1SGP1> good morning
[08:17] <fsphil> morn
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[08:25] <DL7AD> tjanos: not yet
[08:30] <DL7AD> okay... i will answer all these reponser later.
[08:30] <DL7AD> have lecture currently
[08:30] <DL7AD> tjanos:
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[08:37] <DL7AD> good morning LeoBodnar
[08:37] <DL7AD> good morning fsphil
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[08:38] <tjanos> Sven, thank you, we can discuss a little more abuit it.
[08:38] <LeoBodnar> morning chaps
[08:38] <DL7AD> tjanos: btw i spend some time this night to get some more functionality without the knowledge of the posts
[08:38] <DL7AD> http://dl7ad.de/hab_contacts/
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[08:39] <tjanos> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/MPr_LvYyMe8
[08:39] <DL7AD> yeah saw that
[08:40] <arko> ah yes
[08:40] <LeoBodnar> Hmm, how did F8KLY-3 received APRS from 400km away at balloon altitude of 228m
[08:40] <fsphil> was wondering that myself. really high gain colinear?
[08:40] <arko> perhaps we can figure out a way of divying up the work
[08:40] <tjanos> It seems me, the key is how can colleckt some more informations from the availability of the possible followers
[08:40] <arko> i templated this http://spacepager.com/
[08:41] <LeoBodnar> I wonder what terrain profile would be, there are Alps on the way too
[08:41] <tjanos> it a ballon flying to a region
[08:43] <tjanos> *if
[08:44] <WillDuckworth> nice one arko
[08:44] <arko> its what happens when im bored in class
[08:44] <WillDuckworth> what are you using for it?
[08:45] <arko> well, my original goal was to get people in the US interested
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[08:45] <arko> and create a communication system (ukhas mailing list works great.. but not a lot of US people use it)
[08:45] <fsphil> nice
[08:45] <fsphil> slider1.png is a bit big
[08:45] <arko> this will be smart enough to detect when a hab is nearby
[08:46] <arko> then email you
[08:46] <arko> fsphil: hah yeah....
[08:46] <arko> prototype :)
[08:46] <arko> im gonna focus on the functionality now
[08:46] <fsphil> what's it coded in?
[08:46] <arko> just html and javascript at the moment
[08:47] <fsphil> looks good
[08:47] <arko> but the predictor/notification system will be python
[08:47] <arko> running on the server end
[08:47] <arko> then emailing out accordingly
[08:48] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: youre right. i was wondering as well
[08:49] <DL7AD> this station in monaco cant receive it due to the alps
[08:49] <fsphil> I must try using python as a web langauge sometime
[08:49] <fsphil> seems a good fit
[08:49] <arko> web2py makes it easy
[08:49] <arko> and fairly secure
[08:49] <arko> i spent a good 3 hours attacking it every way i knew how
[08:50] <arko> im not an expert but it's pretty crazy how easy it is to do a varity of attacks
[08:50] <arko> obviously my own server btw
[08:50] <DL7AD> arko i think it makes no sense building two of these systems. it would be better to combine them both
[08:50] <arko> i even tried apps coded with bad practice
[08:50] <arko> DL7AD: totally agree
[08:51] <arko> the question is... how?
[08:51] <arko> do we scrap one and work on the other?
[08:51] <arko> or just start fresh from the start
[08:51] <DL7AD> how did you code it? python, php?
[08:51] <fsphil> hehe
[08:51] <arko> javascript/html/python
[08:52] <arko> ah man its 1am again
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[08:52] <fsphil> hate it when that happens
[08:52] <DL7AD> okay. mine is working on php.... but we can use the javacsript-frame.
[08:52] <arko> well we are definitly going to need javascript
[08:52] <DL7AD> never used python for webprogramming but i think i can do it
[08:53] <arko> google maps is all javascript
[08:53] <arko> :) cool
[08:53] <arko> i'll setup a web2py server and give you access
[08:53] <DL7AD> when do you have time arko?
[08:53] <arko> ahhhh
[08:53] <arko> tomorrow my schedule is packed
[08:53] <arko> likely saturday morning while i drink coffee
[08:54] <DL7AD> rofl....
[08:54] <DL7AD> im setting up my relay station on saturday
[08:54] <DL7AD> but i think i will be finished when its morning in your part of the world
[08:54] <arko> thats cool, not a huge rush to finish it
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[08:54] <arko> but it should get done
[08:54] <DL7AD> do you want to get access on my server?
[08:55] <DL7AD> its a root
[08:55] <arko> i figure once we are both playing in the same sandbox we can move fromt here
[08:55] <DL7AD> root access
[08:55] <arko> aahhhh
[08:55] <arko> hmm
[08:55] <arko> question i guess is where does this prototype live...
[08:55] <arko> i have servers here
[08:55] <arko> with mirrors
[08:56] <DL7AD> doesnt matter... do you have a php server running?
[08:56] <arko> yeah
[08:56] <DL7AD> that i could transfer my script first?
[08:56] <DL7AD> to get everything on one server
[08:56] <arko> i figure you can tackle the reg page and get those features going while i start up on the predictor/notification system
[08:57] <arko> yeah
[08:57] <arko> we can tackle that saturday
[08:57] <DL7AD> all right
[08:57] <arko> i should sleep now seeing as how i have work in 6 hours
[08:57] <arko> and meeting in 7
[08:57] <arko> uggg
[08:57] <arko> night yalll
[08:57] <fsphil> nite
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[08:58] <DL7AD> gn
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[09:00] <DL1SGP1> Moin Sven
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[09:02] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: moin moin
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[09:03] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: standby for presentation
[09:04] <DL1SGP> of?
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[09:04] <DL7AD> yes for short time
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[09:04] <fsphil> confusing
[09:06] <DL1SGP> indeed
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[09:18] <DL7AD> finished
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[09:27] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: could you help me fast?
[09:27] <LeoBodnar> I will try my best
[09:28] <DL7AD> check this out
[09:28] <DL7AD> http://radio.it/PROJECTS/spectra/Albugnano/index.html
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[09:28] <DL7AD> http://radio.it/PROJECTS/spectra/Albugnano/Albugnano-tuned.m3u
[09:28] <DL7AD> check if you can hear B-29
[09:28] <DL7AD> i cant hear to the stream because im in lecture
[09:28] <DL7AD> its a receiver in turin LeoBodnar
[09:31] <LeoBodnar> ok
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[09:35] <LeoBodnar> nothing
[09:35] <LeoBodnar> just static
[09:35] <DL7AD> hm....
[09:35] <DL7AD> the receiver is not that good
[09:36] <DL7AD> last time i could get data from it until monaco. that is 150km
[09:36] <DL7AD> or just 100
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[09:39] <DL1SGP> hmm according to APRS the last known altitude of B-29 was 228m above the sea
[09:39] <DL1SGP> so it might be using submarine VLF mode now :)
[09:41] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: you have to know that it has been received in lyon 330kmm far away and duction over land with 20mW you cant do in common ^^
[09:41] <LeoBodnar> altitude reading makes sense because battery voltage in this 228m APRS packet went up to 3.71v while the one earlier at 7866m was at 3.18v
[09:42] <DL7AD> leo. use a pressure sensor like pecan does :)
[09:42] <LeoBodnar> can somebody profile the path?
[09:42] <DL7AD> so we can validate the data
[09:42] <LeoBodnar> too much PCB spave
[09:43] <DL7AD> are you limited?
[09:44] <DL7AD> btw: my pcbs are sent today from china
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[09:50] <nats_laptop> hi
[09:51] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: how did you find out the battery voltage?
[09:52] <DL7AD> hi nats_laptop
[09:54] <nats_laptop> who reported B-29 near marseilles ?
[09:54] <tjanos> it seems, too much mountains are there: https://sites.google.com/site/mytempterulet/_/rsrc/1384509125342/home/turintob29k.png
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[09:56] <LeoBodnar> tjanos: select "curved earth" :D
[09:57] <LeoBodnar> I thought this website allowed to set antenna hight? I can't find this option now :/
[09:57] <tjanos> Ok, its more worst
[09:57] <LeoBodnar> DL7AD: it is encoded in the packet data
[09:58] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: in which? APRS?
[09:58] <LeoBodnar> yes
[10:00] <DL7AD> why did it not transmit APRS between the coast of FR until battery was frozen?
[10:01] <DL1SGP> you mean over France?
[10:01] <DL7AD> yes
[10:01] <DL1SGP> no airborne APRS on 144.800 permitted over France
[10:02] <DL7AD> aprs only?
[10:02] <DL1SGP> airborne experiments like balloons use another downlink which does not profit of the great aprs network
[10:02] <tjanos> https://sites.google.com/site/mytempterulet/_/rsrc/1384509677020/home/turintob29curved.png
[10:03] <DL7AD> tjanos: well can you change it to 8000m?
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[10:04] <tjanos> No, I think it hasnot option to change tha altitude, gives from google map
[10:04] <DL7AD> okay.
[10:04] <DL7AD> okay then the balloon is not supposed to transmit aprs
[10:05] <DL7AD> i thought it does.... but its definetly over land now.
[10:05] <x-f> eh?
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[10:07] <DL7AD_> thats the current prediction if we assume the second aprs packet was incorrect (and i think thats the case)
[10:08] <x-f> Leo concluded that altitude was correct because battery went up as it should have if it got warm on the way down
[10:09] <nats_laptop> x-f, you mean the last transmission near marseille was aprs ?
[10:09] <DL7AD_> x-f: think positiv ^^
[10:09] <DL7AD_> nats_laptop: no there have been two aprs packets in the night.
[10:09] <x-f> DL7AD_, i am, but anyway - last position is way out of the yesterdays prediction
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[10:10] <nats_laptop> oky cool :)
[10:10] <nats_laptop> maybe a revival like B12 ;)
[10:10] <DL7AD> dont care about yesterdays prediction. but current prediction is different as well
[10:11] <nats_laptop> I can shutdown the setup now :)
[10:11] <x-f> if it was still alive, it would be reporting on APRS
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[10:12] <DL7AD> x-f: it does not transmit over land in france
[10:12] <DL7AD> x-f: i mean aprs
[10:12] <nats_laptop> or he come back to france
[10:12] <DL7AD> nats_laptop: it did.....
[10:12] <x-f> i know, but it was over the sea..
[10:13] <nats_laptop> DL1SGP, how do you know ?
[10:13] <DL7AD> x-f: it was... not its not anymore
[10:13] <tjanos> Ok, I found the altitude option: https://09f5f149-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/mytempterulet/home/turintob29nyolezer.png
[10:13] <nats_laptop> DL7AD, he could have crashed in the sea too
[10:14] <x-f> DL7AD, has anybody heard it today?
[10:14] <DL7AD> nats_laptop: yes of course this is the other option
[10:14] <DL7AD> x-f: only 2 aprs packets on night.
[10:14] <x-f> -.-
[10:14] <DL7AD> i dont know any station which could possibly receive it
[10:14] <nats_laptop> DL7AD, could be explained by the temperature :)
[10:15] <nats_laptop> and who got the APRS packet we have ? :)
[10:15] <nats_laptop> ZOMG
[10:15] <nats_laptop> look at the map
[10:15] <nats_laptop> near lyon
[10:15] <nats_laptop> B29 alive
[10:16] <DL7AD> nats_laptop x-f: we have multiple receivers in madrid barcelona and aliante
[10:16] <DL7AD> oh
[10:16] <nats_laptop> I'll restart the setup :p
[10:16] <DL1SGP> merci nats :)
[10:17] <DL7AD> okay forget the last discussion
[10:17] <DL7AD> i hope we will get the whole log in 40 minutes :P
[10:17] <DL7AD> wohahaha :P
[10:17] <x-f> this is too weird
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[10:19] <nats_laptop> the tracker doesn't transit the rx freq ?
[10:19] <x-f> nice catch, F6AIU! :)
[10:19] <nats_laptop> nice catch F6AIU :)
[10:19] <x-f> ..
[10:19] <nats_laptop> x-f, stop stealin my sentence :p
[10:19] <nats_laptop> :D
[10:19] <DL7AD> :D
[10:19] <x-f> nats_laptop, i was first!
[10:19] <nats_laptop> ping race :p
[10:20] <nats_laptop> F6AIU, you have a tune frequency ?
[10:21] <F6AIU> B-29 is on 434.500.10
[10:23] <tjanos> the NOAA say: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/191982_trj001.gif
[10:24] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: example voltage at 01:50 at 3.6V, 02:00 at 3.0V, 02:10 at 3.6V => does it do the log at another time?
[10:24] <nats_laptop> thx F6AIU I tune and see
[10:29] <DL7AD> okay lunch
[10:29] <LeoBodnar> Oh, I read as "launch"
[10:29] <DL7AD> :D yes launch to lunch
[10:31] <fsphil> mmm lunch
[10:31] <fsphil> don't launch my lunch though
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[10:33] <tjanos> On the clouds-level there are more turbolent: http://www.sat24.com/
[10:34] <tjanos> oh, poor B-29! save the god it!
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[10:38] <tjanos> more exactly: "Our Balloon-God, save it, please!"
[10:39] <fsphil> where's B going?
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[10:39] <fsphil> did it really land in the sea and take off again?
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[10:40] <x-f> here's the backward trajectory - http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/192177_trj001.gif - seems about right, but still don't understand why it differs from predictions we had yesterday
[10:41] <fsphil> oh EI3HMB testing a payload not far from me
[10:41] <nats_laptop> because prediction is only prediction ? :D
[10:41] <nats_laptop> or maybe it landed during the night
[10:41] <LeoBodnar> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/192424_trj001.gif I feel dizzy
[10:42] <x-f> nats, it has been quite accurate previously though
[10:43] <LeoBodnar> I have asked a question yesterday why sun sets at 2100UTC in paris on NOAA predictions
[10:43] <eroomde> EA4GLI will be busy
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[10:43] <eroomde> moring Hix
[10:43] <Hix> g'day
[10:43] <Hix> any joy with ipnb in win?
[10:43] <LeoBodnar> solar flux dies down at 2100UTC on the prediction. There must be some screwup at NOAA data somewhere
[10:44] <eroomde> Hix, yep, anaconda Just Worked
[10:44] <eroomde> no probs at all
[10:44] <Hix> kewl
[10:44] <eroomde> and i spent a few hours in decompression after having to use windows
[10:44] <eroomde> and now I'm feeling ok again
[10:45] <Hix> heh
[10:47] <eroomde> 'Modern Flange Design'
[10:48] <eroomde> this is what my life has come to
[10:48] <Hix> cant beat a nice flange
[10:48] <eroomde> i can think of several things i'd rather be doing
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[10:50] <nats_laptop> x-f, you have some prediction from the last place ?
[10:50] <nats_laptop> 10 minutes ago
[10:50] <Hix> does .bash_history not log when you ssh into a device? is it recorded somewhere else perchance?
[10:50] <fsphil> have flanges really changed that much that there are modern versions?
[10:50] <x-f> nats_laptop, http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-29/
[10:50] Action: Hix pauses before googling "The evolution of the flange"
[10:51] <nats_laptop> oky :)
[10:52] <fsphil> Hix: the "last" command
[10:53] <eroomde> fsphil, the book is quite old
[10:53] <Hix> sorry fsphil i meant as in the terminal log like you get from .bash_history
[10:53] <eroomde> as with all technical books with the word 'modern' in the title, their subject matter is always 1960's
[10:53] <eroomde> this is why i'm going to invent Post Modern Control
[10:53] <Hix> I had to leave home half way through installing the wifi driver [a real ballache that's turned out to be]
[10:54] <fsphil> on a pi? you shouldn't need to install anything
[10:54] <Hix> eroomde go 80's with Nouveau
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[10:54] <eroomde> Nouveau Control Theory
[10:54] <gonzo_> 2000's is getting more realistic, with 'Dummies'
[10:54] <eroomde> where all my concepts are precariously piled together vertically and ultimately there's little substance
[10:55] <DL7AD> im excited when the log comes :)
[10:55] <Hix> got the only wifi dongle that isn't natively supported it seems. Annoyingly it was recommended by CPC when i got the pi NoIR
[10:55] <eroomde> DL7AD, make sure you're near the loo
[10:55] <eroomde> and have some reading material just incase
[10:55] <DL7AD> reading material about what?
[10:56] <x-f> :>
[10:56] <fsphil> Hix: odd. I've got a tiny wifi adaptor from cpc and it works out of the box
[10:56] <fsphil> well, needed the wifi settings
[10:56] <eroomde> i dunno, most loo reading material in the houses of friend's parents seems to be comedy verse, edward lear, a private eye annual or something
[10:57] <Hix> there are 2 different chipsets assuming it was the dynamode
[10:57] <fsphil> not sure what brand
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[10:57] <fsphil> oh yea, I can check
[10:57] <Hix> fsphil that one http://goo.gl/MkHnWH
[10:58] <fsphil> it's a realtek I have, using the 8192cu driver
[10:58] <Hix> grrr.
[10:58] <fsphil> it looks like that only it's white
[10:58] <fsphil> let me rephrase that
[10:59] <fsphil> it's similar to that but white
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[11:00] <nats_laptop> someone with advice on some cheap LNA for 70cm band ?
[11:00] <fsphil> can't find it on there, maybe I didn't get it from CPC
[11:00] <fsphil> was sure I did
[11:01] <craag> nats_laptop: (PDF) http://www.g4ddk.com/PGA103+2.pdf
[11:02] <nats_laptop> thx I check
[11:02] <nats_laptop> I maybe have identified what is Le big noise
[11:02] <nats_laptop> Two big wideband beep followed by a numeric transmission in fsk
[11:02] <craag> nats_laptop: Is this just for hab rx?
[11:02] <fsphil> Hix: ah, was this one http://proto-pic.co.uk/miniature-wifi-150mbps-802-11b-g-n-module-for-raspberry-pi-and-more/
[11:03] <nats_laptop> craag, for all the 70cm band
[11:03] <nats_laptop> but mainly yes hab rx
[11:03] <nats_laptop> I wanted to build one but better with buying one at first and see when I'll hae time to do that
[11:03] <craag> Ah ok, there's some filtered ones on hab supplies for hab rx, but they won't do rest of the 70cm band.
[11:03] <craag> The PGA103s are sold as kits.
[11:04] <nats_laptop> I'll check thanks craag :)
[11:05] <craag> np, I've got one here and it's fantastic :)
[11:05] <nats_laptop> it'a microcircuit stuff ?
[11:06] <Hix> I'm gonna order this one http://goo.gl/dyWh3c seemingly it is tested and working here http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
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[11:08] <nats_laptop> ok I'll checkout one :)
[11:09] <nats_laptop> mini circuit stuff are usually good :)
[11:09] <fsphil> yea I've used edimax stuff on linux before, seems to work well
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[11:22] <Hix> gonna give the ralink one last chance to perform
[11:31] <Hix> wish I'd have had a copy of this for when Arko came over :) http://goo.gl/t2Nz1S
[11:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> B-29 alive? :)
[11:32] <UpuWork> appears to be
[11:32] <nats_laptop> yep
[11:32] <nats_laptop> trying to catch him
[11:32] <nats_laptop> someone know who is the station receiving it now
[11:32] <nats_laptop> ?
[11:33] <Reb-SM3ULC> ceivers: F0ERP, CHX-FFF
[11:34] <nats_laptop> yep this chx is not on the map
[11:36] <UpuWork> anyone want to buy some UPS batteries ? http://i.imgur.com/qrtPddH.jpg
[11:37] <nats_laptop> nice battery if you need a winter heater :p
[11:37] <Reb-SM3ULC> very nice, had a couple almost round
[11:38] <Reb-SM3ULC> UpuWork: perfect for a HAB..
[11:38] <UpuWork> yup
[11:38] <fsphil> it's ok, they're non-spillable
[11:38] <fsphil> doesn't mention non-explodable
[11:38] <Reb-SM3ULC> and non-chargaelbe? :)
[11:40] <nats_laptop> good hand weapon
[11:40] <nats_laptop> :D
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[11:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> SM5OCI: Greetings! eller Hej!
[11:41] <Laurenceb> wtf
[11:41] <Laurenceb> is B-29 really go that low?
[11:41] <fsphil> looks like
[11:41] <fsphil> it's done it before
[11:41] <fsphil> well, previous B's
[11:42] <Laurenceb> nutty
[11:42] <fsphil> possibly the first sea landing/takeoff though
[11:42] <SM5OCI> SM3ULC: hej, jag hörsammade ditt upprop på ham.se. Verkar kul, men inte särskilt troligt att de hamnar i mina troakter (Linköping)
[11:42] <SM5OCI> Worls: Sorry fro writing in Swedish...
[11:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> SM5OCI: well, två st av leos har väl passerar precis över.. och du kan ju höra dem på rätt längt håll. (swedish maffie...)
[11:44] <SM5OCI> I guess the B-29 point in the Mediterranian is not really a .... valid datapoint
[11:44] <nats_laptop> ok time to kill neighboor
[11:46] <fsphil> no reason to think it isn't
[11:46] <Laurenceb> repost tiem
[11:46] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/m3QCjKM.jpg
[11:47] <x-f> is that the next PBH project?
[11:47] <Laurenceb> heh
[11:47] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/TJxSrvr.jpg
[11:47] <Laurenceb> onboard
[11:49] <LeoBodnar> Looks like F6AIU gone on strike )
[11:50] <DL7AD> i could email him...
[11:50] <DL7AD> but is this a problem? we have 2 receivers
[11:51] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar
[11:51] <x-f> LeoBodnar, this version doesn't transmit the log, does it?
[11:51] <LeoBodnar> it does
[11:52] <x-f> oh, nice, in about 10 minutes then
[11:52] <DL7AD> yep
[11:52] <DL7AD> 18
[11:52] <DL7AD> sorry 8
[11:54] <x-f> it is drawing an icecream cone on the map
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[12:00] <tweetBot> @daveake: Have completed my presentation for @McrRaspJam tomorrow. No bears were harmed in the preparation.* #raspberrypi #UKHAS *Lie
[12:03] <DL7AD> could we append the right aprs point we got in the night on the map?
[12:08] <fsphil> that aprs point is looking less accurate
[12:09] <DL7AD> arko and i are going to combine both our announcement-systems. i think it would be a good question to everyone who want to participate, to enter yourself in this list: http://dl7ad.de/hab_contacts/user.php
[12:09] <DL7AD> sorry this link http://dl7ad.de/hab_contacts/user.php#new
[12:12] <daveake> Will that have an edit function at some point?
[12:12] <daveake> 'cos I'm expecting to move house soon
[12:12] <DL7AD> i can edit it
[12:13] <DL7AD> but i do not want the users to see all data
[12:13] <daveake> sure
[12:13] <DL7AD> so currently theres no option
[12:13] <DL7AD> but i have an admin panel.
[12:13] <daveake> ok I'll put in current details and I'll let you know when it needs editing :)
[12:13] <DL7AD> okay cool
[12:13] <nats_laptop> done
[12:13] <DL7AD> or arko... we want to combine our systems on the weekend
[12:14] <daveake> done
[12:14] <DL7AD> thx :)
[12:15] <daveake> oh forgot the radio buttons top-right :p
[12:15] <daveake> Both should be "yes" :)
[12:15] <DL7AD> yeah... i will change that
[12:15] <daveake> ta
[12:15] <DL7AD> done
[12:19] <DL7AD> daveake: this information is important for me. so i can get sure, i dont have to help you receiving a balloon because you should know the proccess
[12:19] <DL1SGP> should he? :)
[12:20] <daveake> doubtful :p
[12:20] <DL7AD> i hope ^^ in every other case, it will produce work
[12:20] <DL1SGP> awww
[12:22] <LeoBodnar> What does "^^" mean?
[12:22] <adamgreig> "see previous/upwards message"
[12:22] <adamgreig> LeoBodnar: ^^
[12:22] <fsphil> what adamgreig said ^^
[12:22] <mattbrejza> or raised eyebrows
[12:22] <LeoBodnar> well vv
[12:23] <mattbrejza> or other stuff too
[12:23] <x-f> ^-^
[12:23] <LeoBodnar> <<
[12:23] <LeoBodnar> >>
[12:23] <adamgreig> ^.^ is a face
[12:23] <fsphil> < don't listen to this guy
[12:23] <DL1SGP> O_o
[12:23] <adamgreig> ^ i'm with v
[12:23] <mattbrejza> it used to be a particlar emoticon in msn too i seem to remember
[12:23] <x-f> <3
[12:23] <adamgreig> </3
[12:23] <mattbrejza> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%5E%5E
[12:23] <x-f> :>
[12:24] <adamgreig> <:|
[12:24] <adamgreig> >:D
[12:24] <daveake> XD
[12:24] <adamgreig> \(^_^')/
[12:24] <fsphil> you took that too far daveake
[12:24] <daveake> I know
[12:25] <fsphil> :=8) moo
[12:25] <mattbrejza> ´·_·`
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[12:25] <DL1SGP> LeoBodnar: or other launch-stations: you should start another thing the crowd is showing withdrawal symptoms :D
[12:26] <nats_laptop> whooooo IRC is becoming MSN revival ?
[12:26] Action: nats_laptop run away
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[12:28] <nats_laptop> the tracker map should really have a station receiving frequency
[12:28] <adamgreig> that is actually a thing
[12:28] <nats_laptop> that could help every people to tune their receiver
[12:28] <adamgreig> I think most recent habitat uploads rx freq if known
[12:29] <nats_laptop> oky :)
[12:29] <adamgreig> (requires the station have rig control tho)
[12:29] <adamgreig> but it's not yet propagated through to spacenear.us
[12:29] <nats_laptop> can't enter a hand offset ?
[12:29] <adamgreig> well you _can_
[12:29] <adamgreig> in dl-fldigi
[12:29] <adamgreig> but like, no one does and it's probably not going to stay accurate
[12:29] <nats_laptop> oky
[12:29] <nats_laptop> should repair my 817 to plug it on the computer
[12:30] <Hix> Dr Who fans..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/shows/shows/dr_who_live_23nov13
[12:32] <nats_laptop> adamgreig, I have a question I compiled dl fldigi from source
[12:32] <nats_laptop> but when I go online it tells me that habitat have a new version
[12:32] <nats_laptop> it's a version of fldigi ?
[12:32] <adamgreig> right so
[12:32] <adamgreig> the version checker just compares the git commit ID you built
[12:32] <mfa298> nats_laptop: if you downloaded the zip/tar.gz file that happens
[12:32] <adamgreig> and current git head is later than the current release
[12:32] <adamgreig> so you are _newer_
[12:32] <adamgreig> but it doesn't know about ordering
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[12:32] <adamgreig> it just knows you don't have the current released version
[12:32] <adamgreig> we'll make it a bit more sophisticated eventually
[12:33] <nats_laptop> oky :)
[12:33] <adamgreig> for now you can safely ignore it
[12:33] <nats_laptop> just to know if I needed to upgrade
[12:33] <mfa298> nats_laptop: assuming this is on linux which breed of linux do you use (there are some binary packages around which might not give that warning)
[12:34] <nats_laptop> mfa298, I use the git source :)
[12:34] <nats_laptop> so I assume one of the latest version
[12:34] <nats_laptop> I don't use the packaged version
[12:35] <mfa298> as adamgreig said git clone is probably ahead of the official release
[12:35] <nats_laptop> yep no problem
[12:35] <nats_laptop> :)
[12:35] <mfa298> afaik all the binary packages out there are the current supported (aka tried and tested) release.
[12:37] <nats_laptop> I'll do a more definitive setup with a intel nuc hidden in the kitchen :D
[12:38] <db_g6gzh> The current release appears to be tagged DL3.1 if you really want to build it
[12:39] <mfa298> there are .deb and .rpm packages around if you want the main 3.1 release rather than bleeding edge.
[12:39] <db_g6gzh> at least that's where the last one I built seems to be and it doesn't prompt for upgrade
[12:39] Action: mfa298 should probably add a link on the wiki for my .rpms
[12:39] Nick change: cm13g09_ -> cm13g09
[12:41] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: what about this? =^.^=
[12:41] <DL7AD> oh sry... was my cat on my keyboard
[12:41] <nats`> only japaneese are allowed to use those smileys :p
[12:43] <db_g6gzh> you should install cowsay (but don't paste output to irc)
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[12:44] <nats_laptop> yep or the train :D
[12:44] <nats_laptop> cat it on a socket on the irc channel :p
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[13:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> B-29 alive and well?
[13:00] <fsphil> can't keep a good hab down
[13:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
[13:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Great stuff
[13:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> I thought it had ditched down south
[13:02] <fsphil> not sure i trust that point.. if it's true then it ascended pretty quickly again
[13:02] <DL7AD> Steve_G0TDJ: no.... i was received in lyon which was 330km far away at time of receiption
[13:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah
[13:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm glad it's still up there whatever.
[13:03] <DL7AD> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/3/32/Web1pointO.jpg O M G
[13:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> A bit of history
[13:03] <es5nhc> Oho... so B29 has started updating again? I presume when it warmed up? Battery higher too
[13:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Battery at 4.14v
[13:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyhow, I need some lunch - be back in a tick
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[13:18] <Laurenceb> i think ive seen APRS give faulty altitude before
[13:18] <Laurenceb> on some of the transatlantic stuff
[13:18] <Laurenceb> wonder if theres some bug in their altitude processing
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[13:21] <x-f> CNSP, it had some other GPS issues too, iirc
[13:25] <nats`> sad nobody got the B-29 backlog
[13:26] <x-f> a few points were added from the log, nats`
[13:31] <nats`> ok :)
[13:31] <nats`> I shut down the station I don't think it'll come over paris soone
[13:31] <nats`> soon
[13:37] <es5nhc> Last position report is from 1257Z...
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[13:44] <x-f> maybe it went wobbly again?
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[13:46] <x-f> there are a few more partials on the logtail, but last one from F0ERP is just 10 minutes after the succesfully decoded one
[13:46] <x-f> hmm
[13:46] <nats`> is there any readable voltage and altitude information ?
[13:47] <x-f> hmm
[13:48] <x-f> 7.7, 7.5 6.8 km
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb&ie=UTF-8&layer=c&z=17&iwloc=A&sll=30.519234,-97.821167&cbp=13,359.9,0,0,0&cbll=30.519215,-97.821167&q=30.5192255%C2%B0,+-97.8211633%C2%B0&ei=8yWGUo60Ku307Abe6oCYAg&ved=0CC8QxB0wAA - registered address of Eestor. - pan left - it's number 715.
[13:48] <x-f> -24, -31, -34
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17750736/715-Discovery-Blvd-Cedar-Park-TX/ - clarifying that the other units at that address are actually for rent - and eestor likely has parking space for 2 cars total.
[13:49] <nats`> I think he drifted
[13:49] <nats`> -27°
[13:49] <nats`> the voltage is still good
[13:50] <nats`> at 1.05 pm
[13:50] <x-f> yeah, it doesn't change
[13:50] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: but we knew it was a scam already
[13:51] <nats`> in 30 he loose 27°...
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> Regrettably.
[13:51] <nats`> 30minute
[13:51] <nats`> that's a lot
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-wants-to-build-hyperloop-model-2013-11 is related.
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[13:56] <LeoBodnar> It was descending and temperature was dropping very quickly
[13:56] <LeoBodnar> This must be a serious cloud
[13:57] <es5nhc> Check Sat24 et al... convective activity in France
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[14:07] <nats_laptop> I got a $B-29 and few crap behind from paris so I think if a nearer station can to tune a little to catch it we would have more informations
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[14:08] <es5nhc> when was the latest you heard?
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[14:09] <es5nhc> Looks like there could be some thunder activity moving around in FR today
[14:11] <nats_laptop> no thunder declared on meteo france
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[14:11] <nats_laptop> rain and sun in the area of B29
[14:12] <DL1SGP> it's a british balloon, if it can handle one thing it is rainy weather :D
[14:13] <nats_laptop> maybe he saw a good restaurant and decided to land :D
[14:14] <DL1SGP> after such a float a lunch would be well deserved
[14:14] <DL1SGP> a sip of helium with some foil topping
[14:15] <gonzo_> it's france, everything stops for lunch
[14:15] <x-f> B-11 and B-12 floated for days over France and other countries
[14:15] <nats_laptop> and these days that's the only good reason :p
[14:16] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: been watching these balloons for a while.. they seem to evade the country as soon as possible.. :)
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[14:18] <DL1SGP> hehe Reb-SM3ULC
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[14:21] <Uggy> Hi, I have few questions about how to connect ntx2 to ground plane coax antenna...
[14:22] <Uggy> first the ntx2 doc say a 16.4cm and if I do some match .. this should be 300/434.650 = 17.25cm
[14:23] <Uggy> is is because the ntx2 pin is 8 or 9 milimeters ?
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[14:23] <x-f> Uggy, http://www.csgnetwork.com/antennagpcalc.html
[14:25] <Uggy> ok..Thx.. -> 16.4 (as into the ntx2 doc) but can you explain why my math 300/434.650 = 17.25cm is wrong ?
[14:27] <x-f> i don't know :|
[14:27] <Uggy> ok :)
[14:28] <eroomde> because the speed of light is not 3x10^8 in copper wire
[14:28] <eroomde> it's 95% of that
[14:28] <craag> Uggy: *0.95 for velocity of electricity in copper
[14:28] <eroomde> so 17.25 * 0.95 = 16.4
[14:28] <Uggy> here we go.. thank you very much ! :)
[14:29] <es5nhc> Yep... 299792458 m/s only applies to vacuum
[14:29] <Uggy> ok.. it make sense now.. thank's.
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[14:30] <Uggy> doe the 16.4 should start from the very end of the "leg" of the ntx2 (which seems to be few milimeters) ?
[14:31] <LeoBodnar> speed of light on PCBs is about 50% of vacuum
[14:31] <mfa298> note that the .95 is copper when it's a dipole/ground plane antenna, in feeder it may be slower than that (although that's less important for this)
[14:32] <LeoBodnar> depends on substrate
[14:32] <mfa298> Uggy: as to where to measure from that depends a bit on how you're doing things. If this is testting so it's just a bit of wire on the pcb then it won't matter too much how long it is.
[14:33] <LeoBodnar> k = sqrt(dielectric constant)
[14:33] <craag> Uggy: I'd say it starts from when it's more than 1cm away from any Ground connection.
[14:34] <Uggy> Mm..ok...
[14:34] <LeoBodnar> Signals travel faster on the PCB edges because effective dielectric constant is lower
[14:34] <LeoBodnar> and slower in the middle of the PCB
[14:35] <Uggy> so in fact we don't care (not included into the 16.4) for everyting between ground connection and ntx2 ??
[14:36] <craag> Uggy: You've got a point where the ground goes away at 90 degrees to form the ground plane right?
[14:36] <adamgreig> Uggy: basically it doesn't matter. if you're not using coax just make it about 16cm
[14:36] <adamgreig> if you are using coax it's about 16cm away from the point where the shield turns into your ground plane radials
[14:36] <Uggy> craag: right ... ok...
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[14:37] <craag> Uggy: From that point. But don't worry too much about it.
[14:37] <Uggy> I'm using a coax...
[14:37] <adamgreig> then why are we even talking about the ntx2
[14:37] <craag> As long as you've got ~16cm of wire point ing down, it'll work.
[14:37] <adamgreig> ntx2 - coax - your antenna
[14:37] <adamgreig> antenna has 16cm driven element and roughly 16cm ground planes, connected to the coax centre and shield respectively
[14:37] <Uggy> I plan to add an SMA conenctor too..
[14:37] <adamgreig> good plan
[14:38] <adamgreig> doesn't change anything really though, just makes your life a bit easier afterwards
[14:38] <Uggy> yea :)
[14:38] <Uggy> I could have NTX2 -> 1 or 2 cm -> SMA connector -> Coax xx cm -> start ground place and start of 16.4 ?
[14:38] <Uggy> correct ?
[14:38] <adamgreig> yes
[14:38] <adamgreig> you could even put another SMA connector on the other end of the coax and on the antenna
[14:38] <adamgreig> or not, whatever
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[14:39] <Uggy> ok :) great ..
[14:39] <craag> Uggy: RF is a confusing world :)
[14:40] <Uggy> yes..I'm new to all that stuff ...so :)
[14:40] <Uggy> I was worried about the lengh beetween ntx2 and sma connector.. as the antenna wire is "not protected" by ground
[14:41] <mfa298> if you're designing a pcb (rather than using some sort of stripboard) you can design the tracks between the ntx2 and sma to be 50ohm although if it's fairly short it shouldn't make much difference, just look at the sort of thing others have done
[14:41] <craag> Uggy: On stripboard?
[14:41] <Uggy> yes.. my first one.. so stripboard
[14:41] <craag> As long as it's less than about 5cm, it'll be fine :)
[14:42] <craag> The two tracks alongside it are grounded right?
[14:42] <Uggy> 5cm max.. ok...
[14:42] <mfa298> for stripboard you probably want to try and get the sma as close to the ntx2 as possible and cut any excess length on the tracks.
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[14:42] <adamgreig> http://randomskk.net/u/rfout.png
[14:42] <adamgreig> make your pcb like that
[14:42] <adamgreig> ntx2 at top, sma connector at bottom
[14:43] <adamgreig> note they are very close together
[14:43] <Uggy> I guess I can be very close.. but very close is still ~10mm
[14:43] <adamgreig> fine
[14:43] <mfa298> Ideally just do some sort of range test before launch. With no sort of antenna and everything on breadboard I found the signal disappeared after ~100m.
[14:43] <adamgreig> as mentioned you can go up to like 50mm
[14:43] <adamgreig> personally I'd say more like 40mm
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[14:43] <adamgreig> but anything less than that is not going to have any issues
[14:45] <Uggy> on randomskk.net/u/rfout.png ... green is not "protected coax" right? I mean i can use one wire for ground.. another wire for "antenna" ?
[14:45] <adamgreig> green is PCB track
[14:45] <adamgreig> what are you making this on?
[14:46] <Uggy> ok..regular track.wire... not coax
[14:46] <adamgreig> yes
[14:46] <adamgreig> the coax is only plugging into the sma connector
[14:46] <adamgreig> regular pcb track
[14:46] <Uggy> ok... perfect.. thx
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[14:49] <Uggy> ok..another stupid question...I understand the signal will not pass if there is a wall.building etc... but does the signal through a window ? (for a 1km test range for exemple)
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[14:49] <craag> yes
[14:49] <adamgreig> goes through walls too
[14:49] <mfa298> uggy this is what I've done on some 3pad stripboard https://www.dropbox.com/s/4b6sizrv8a3ya00/2013-11-15%2014.48.04.jpg
[14:49] <adamgreig> just not as well
[14:49] <craag> as long as the window hasn't got the anti-uv sticky film on it.
[14:49] <mfa298> no sma, coax direct into the board but hopefully gives some idea
[14:50] <Uggy> mfa298: perfect ! thank you very much ! :)
[14:51] <Uggy> ok..I have access to a high building.. for testing
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[14:52] <Uggy> I I guess I can put the ntx2 and antenna etc.. on the windows.. go to 1 or 2 km..and check if I can receive... ?
[14:52] <Uggy> Do you think that would be a good way to test the antenna ?
[14:52] <mfa298> the ~100m I got in testing I mentioned was with the payload inside my flat by the window with no antennas
[14:53] <Uggy> test without antenna.. 1 meter away was ok...
[14:53] <Uggy> now I plan to work on antenna... then test it as much as I can :)
[14:53] <mfa298> it's well worth trying to listen to the signal as you travel away so you know when it disappears (if it goes) and then decide if it's likely to be obstructions or payload design
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[14:55] <Uggy> Mmm.. not sure to understand ... :(
[14:56] <Uggy> You mean.. I do as described on high buiding.. window.. then go on the ground.. and walk away.. listeing the signal ?
[14:56] <mfa298> just trying to suggest it's better to monitor the payload signal whilst you travel rather than travel 1-2km and then listen
[14:57] <Uggy> ohh ok..... :)
[14:57] <mfa298> that's what I was suggesting :)
[14:57] <mfa298> at least that way if there's something wrong you find out when you lost the signal.
[14:58] <Uggy> ok.. yes.. but if I have a line of sight .. in theory.. I could walk "far away" ? right ?
[14:58] <mfa298> if you travel 2km and then listen you don't know if it's due to a weak signal or obstruction.
[14:58] <mfa298> if you've got line of sight it should travel a good distance (I've heard payloads for a few km before now)
[14:59] <mfa298> but obstructions will significantly limit what you hear.
[14:59] <mfa298> now I've got the coax and some form of antenna on the end I need to do the same test again (and hope I can hear it further away)
[14:59] <Uggy> ok.. does a window is a significant obstruction..
[15:00] <Uggy> I guess.. I will see :)
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[15:00] <mfa298> experiment and find out.
[15:01] <mfa298> as said earlier I got around 100m through a window with no payload antenna (apart from the bit of breadboard it was on at the time)
[15:01] <Uggy> in short, if I'm able to decode packets 2 kms from the window in top of buiding.. I guess this means the antenna is working not too bad ?
[15:01] <mfa298> that would suggest the antenna is pretty decent.
[15:01] <Uggy> ok..prefect :)
[15:02] <Uggy> is there a better antenna test to do ?
[15:02] <Uggy> (I mean before launching ;) )
[15:02] <mfa298> at least it should show any major shortcomings in the antenna - you can't really do a 100's km test until it flies
[15:02] <dg9bfc> depending on what receive antenna you use ... with an omni (vertical) the results would be different then when you would use a (long) yagi
[15:03] <Uggy> ok..make sense.. thank you
[15:03] <Uggy> I have not yet the yogi.. only omni now
[15:04] <dg9bfc> about 2km in building would mean around 200km in free air (rough guess from weather sonde hunting) or even more
[15:05] <Uggy> ok...good :)
[15:06] <Uggy> thank's for your help and advices :)
[15:06] <dg9bfc> a weather sonde (about 50-100mw maybe?!?) can be received a few hundred metres on ground ... about 2 km in a higher tree and over 200km when high up
[15:07] <dg9bfc> and ... your test should show similar signal levels (distances) ... then your tx antenna is ok
[15:08] <Uggy> ok..thank's.. the unknow part is how much the window will block the signal.. we will see :)
[15:09] <dg9bfc> open the window to see the difference :-)
[15:10] <Uggy> hehe :) I can't...
[15:10] <Uggy> That is a 40 floors building...
[15:10] <dg9bfc> for uhf the signal loss can be nearly zero ... or 20db (depending on the glass in the window
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[15:10] <Uggy> and they probably don't want to let people open a window at 40th floor
[15:11] <dg9bfc> 40 floors building?!? wow then you should receive it a few dozen km away maybe
[15:11] <Uggy> ok :) good to know :)
[15:11] <Uggy> I will come back to tell on IRC :)
[15:13] <Uggy> I have another question .. I seen filtered preamps on Upu shop...
[15:13] <Uggy> I plan to use SDR receiver..
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[15:13] <Uggy> how big is the benefits to use aditional preamp ?
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[15:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> Uggy: what kin of windows, the ones with metallic skin for shutting out sun?
[15:14] <Uggy> Reb-SM3ULC: I'm not really sure...
[15:15] <Uggy> could be.. :(
[15:15] <mfa298> preamp and/or filter depend a bit on what radio you're using. In some cases there's a benefit but not much, in other cases they will make a huge difference
[15:16] <Uggy> What I'm sure is there is ~10 cm (yes cm..not mm) air (or gas) beetwwen to peaces of glass...
[15:16] <craag> Uggy: If it's an RTLSDR, they make a huge difference.
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[15:16] <x-f> Uggy, here's a screenprint when i listened to B-24 with RTLSDR - top is with Upu's HABamp, bottom - naked dongle, both connected to the same DIY ground plane antenna - http://i.imgur.com/czPjvJA.png
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[15:17] <x-f> with HABamp i could receive it a lot sooner (and later when it went away)
[15:17] <Uggy> yes..I have rtlsdr
[15:18] <craag> Uggy: Worth getting then. See screenshot from x-f for the proof!
[15:18] <Uggy> ok....
[15:18] <mfa298> habamp is probably well worth it then. I've found I can hear things with the FT-817/TS-2000/FCD++ long before I can hear it with the RTL dongle
[15:19] <ve6ts> same here, my 817 is way more sensative then the rtl
[15:20] <Uggy> ok.. so the benefit is I can track it on a longer diatance ? right ?
[15:21] <ve6ts> yes
[15:21] <db_g6gzh> the habamp also provides filtering which can help if you have strong out of band signals
[15:22] <ve6ts> that is a problem for me as well, way too much radio gear working when i'm tracking a balloon
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[15:23] <Uggy> ok.. ;) so it's looks like i will order one to Santa Claus :)
[15:24] <Uggy> next question, does the chineese omni sent with SDR dongle is fine fine enough ?
[15:24] <Uggy> specialy if connected to preAmp..
[15:25] <mfa298> you'll be better off with something a bit bigger
[15:25] <mfa298> W-50 and X-50 seem to be popular omni directional antennas
[15:26] <Uggy> ok..Will take a look on that...
[15:26] <db_g6gzh> make a ground plane like the one for your payload if you can't manage something bigger like mfa298 suggested
[15:27] <ve6ts> i have something very simular to the W-50 and have tracked a balloon around 100km away with no problems
[15:27] <db_g6gzh> and if possible put the habamp near the antenna eather than at the rtlsdr end of the coax
[15:27] <ve6ts> mine is mounted at almost 30 feet
[15:27] <SIbot> In real units: 30 ft = 9.14 m
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[15:28] <Uggy> db_g6gzh: ok..tk's for the advice
[15:29] <mfa298> making a ground plane antenna like the payloads use can work pretty well especially if you've got a reasonable location. That's what I usually use at home due to location (don't have anywhere I could put a W-50/X-50
[15:29] <jedas> what size is it aproximately ?
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[15:30] <Uggy> in my case, I can't use it to track from home.. (no garden.. no roof..)
[15:30] <Uggy> i will unfortunatly track what pass near to me (France)
[15:30] <jedas> isn't X-50 also ground plane type antenna ?
[15:30] <mfa298> Uggy: that's the issue I have, hence it's a 1/4 wave GP out the window for tracking
[15:30] <Uggy> or track mine .. from the car
[15:31] <mfa298> if you're tracking from a car look at getting a magmount 2/70 antenna.
[15:31] <mfa298> means it will stick to the car roof (unless you've got something strange / non metal)
[15:32] <gonzo_> tracking from some clear high ground is also useful, if the balloon lands near you. Yo can go and recover it!
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[15:33] <Uggy> magmount 2/70 means magnetic omni half wave right ?
[15:34] <ve6ts> no 2 meter and 70cm bands (dual band)
[15:34] <Uggy> ohh ok..tx
[15:35] <mfa298> Uggy: I think this has been popular with some people for mobile HAB tracking http://cpc.farnell.com/watson/wsm-270/wsm-270-mini-mag-antenna/dp/IT44456?in_merch=Products%20From%20This%20Range
[15:35] <Uggy> how long it is ? 70cm ? 35cm ?
[15:36] <Uggy> mfa298: looking your link..thx
[15:36] <ve6ts> ya that is simular to what i use for mobile tracking
[15:36] <jedas> wouldn't single band (433mhz) be smaller? or you also use 2m in hab hunting ?
[15:37] <ve6ts> i use both 2m and 70cm on our large balloons
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[15:40] <mfa298> I'm not sure there are many single band mag mount antennas out there but if you can find one then that would also work.
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[15:42] <dg9bfc> see to get a dualband (2m and 70cm) about 1m long ... that has a coil in centre (it is a halfwave on 2m and 2x 5/8 on 70) ... gives you some gain
[15:42] <Uggy> how a dual band is working ? there is 2 antennas , one longer and one shorter inside the plastic case ?
[15:43] <dg9bfc> no
[15:44] <jedas> mfa298, how big one is your ground plane antena, which you use inside ?
[15:44] <dg9bfc> a dualband work cause any antenna can also work on its "harmonics"
[15:45] <mfa298> certain bands are linked (2m and 70cm) so antennas for 2m are usually fairly good on 70cm.
[15:45] <mfa298> jedas: the elements are around 17cm long (1/4 wave for 70cms)
[15:45] <jedas> nice. i think i'll build such one too
[15:46] <mfa298> it works well as something that can be put out a window as needed.
[15:46] <tweetBot> @daveake: "Pride of Reading award for man who sent Kinsley to the edge of space" http://t.co/2I6p1E2zYq #UKHAS
[15:47] <mfa298> if I had somewhere for something more permanent I'd probably get something like the W-50/X-50 as they're designed to be water/uv/wind proof.
[15:47] <jedas> i have CCTV camera metal holder just outside the window. going to fit it there
[15:48] <jedas> bu then you need to take care about lightning protection ?
[15:49] <Uggy> thank's all for your help and advices
[15:49] <dg9bfc> your roof is much higher then the window ... so you should be fairly safe
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[15:49] <mfa298> the downside of the stick it out the window approach is that a lot of flights I'm trying to receive signals through the re-inforced concrete building so the signal is weak or non existant. If i lived somewhere suitable I'd have something like the X-50 above roof height to have a good view of the sky.
[15:50] <dg9bfc> (srike takes shortest way to ground .. so roof will be hit before window
[15:50] <dg9bfc> strike
[15:51] <dg9bfc> and ... if you have a direct hit you can NOT be safe in any case ... (all electronics will be waste after a direct hit)
[15:52] <dg9bfc> the x50 is just a mobile antenna in a plastic dome (more or less) ... i would use x200 or 300 instead
[15:52] <jedas> i'm living in a 4th floot, which is top. roof is flat, so it would be about 1 meter from roof to antenna, but .. oh well
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[15:54] <dg9bfc> does the house have lightning protection on the roof??
[15:54] <jedas> no, but there is ham living next to me, his big antenna probablly will absorb the strike :)
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[15:54] <jedas> i guess they ground those huge ones ?
[15:55] <dg9bfc> he should have done that ... but who knows ;-)
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[15:57] <dg9bfc> ok ... i have to leave now
[15:58] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[15:58] <dg9bfc> good luck with your project
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[16:00] <jcoxon> is B-29 alive then?
[16:01] <DL1SGP> according to the last packages just coming in it is "still" alive
[16:01] <DL1SGP> but hmm if it is going down that quick...
[16:02] <jcoxon> is it replay?
[16:02] <jcoxon> cause the time is quite off
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[16:02] <DL1SGP> no clue I was not watching the map and only checking as you asked
[16:03] <DL1SGP> so it might have been a delayed update for me
[16:03] <jcoxon> looking at the log tail the data appears to be live
[16:04] <DL1SGP> thanks not having that open right now :)
[16:04] <jcoxon> [2013-11-15 16:00:48,689] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$B-29,917,130155,131115,46.2139,3.1237,6164,7,-34,4.11,0.7*eb20\n'
[16:04] <jcoxon> but it doesn't seem to fit
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[16:04] <x-f> it was time for log - even UTC hour
[16:08] <x-f> hmm, there are other packets which shouldn't be on the log
[16:08] <x-f> time doesn't match
[16:09] <x-f> possibly F0ERP is playing back a recording?
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[16:09] <x-f> his own recording
[16:09] <jcoxon> yeah
[16:10] <DL1SGP> withdrawal symptoms might have struck him :)
[16:10] <jcoxon> how much would people consider an ft290 (not 790) to be worth
[16:12] <LeoBodnar> I have fixed some packets from F0ERP
[16:13] <Andrew_M6GTG> jcoxon: mk1 or 2?
[16:13] <gonzo_> 50-75 squids?
[16:13] <gonzo_> (that was for a mk1
[16:13] <jcoxon> mk1
[16:13] <jcoxon> want one to go with my 790
[16:14] <gonzo_> I had a couple, paid about £50 each. But sold them off about 5yrs ago
[16:15] <DL1SGP> thanks LeoBodnar
[16:15] <gonzo_> but tbh you would eb far bettr off with an 817
[16:15] <Andrew_M6GTG> jcoxon: mk2 on ebay for £130, so in reality probably what gonzo_: said ;-)
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[16:17] <jcoxon> gonzo_, oh i've got an 817 already
[16:17] <gonzo_> ah, you are going retro then
[16:18] <jcoxon> yup
[16:18] <jcoxon> building a control centre
[16:20] <gonzo_> the mk1 was known to be deaf. There was a mutek front end jkit avail at omne point. Think that replaced the first lna and the imzer stage
[16:20] <gonzo_> mixer
[16:21] <Laurenceb> looks like B-29 burst badly?
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[16:24] <Laurenceb> i wonder if sunlight from the side is heating it too much at this time of year
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[16:45] <OH7HJ-1> Jcoxon, where u managed to get a real classic FT290?
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[18:01] <mfa298> if you've not seen it, epic twitter conversation https://twitter.com/tescomobile/status/400640498219495424
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/LEARNseminar?launcher=false
[18:02] <mfa298> and for once I don't think that's a misuse of the word epic!
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> Turboelectric distributed propulsion aircraft
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[18:14] <Willdude123> First piece of code on github: https://github.com/Willdude123/RadioControl
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[18:28] <Willdude123> Need to clean that code up, not very usable by other people
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[18:29] <craag> Willdude123: Add a README file to explain what it is the code does.
[18:29] <craag> Other than that, looks good :)
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[18:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Gooooood EVENING!
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[18:55] <craag> Evening steve!
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[19:00] <LeoBodnar> Gooooood Evng!
[19:01] <DL1SGP1> Gooooooooooooooooooood Evening Steve_G0TDJ, craag, LeoBodnar
[19:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Felix :D
[19:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just updating one of my PCB designs.
[19:02] <arko> yoyo
[19:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Arko :-)
[19:03] <DL1SGP1> sounds great, hi there agn arko
[19:03] <arko> ahoy
[19:03] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
[19:03] <DL1SGP> when will it float Steve :) ?
[19:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL When the wind is favourable
[19:04] <arko> what the heck!?
[19:04] <arko> B-29 went for a swim
[19:04] <arko> then back to frace?
[19:04] <arko> france
[19:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Apparently
[19:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> This is a prototyping board for one of my trackers: http://gerblook.org/pcb/beDLcsZuX2MgP3bfryxeMD
[19:07] <LeoBodnar> sup arko
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[19:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Leo :D
[19:08] <arko> LeoBodnar: your hab love taking a rest :P
[19:08] <arko> thats awesome
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> skinny dipping in the Mid
[19:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> brb phone
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> *Med
[19:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> One of my 'Ham' friends is going to visit. :-)
[19:20] <DL7AD> b-29 is down right?
[19:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> The general consensus is yes.
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[19:24] <x-f> again :)
[19:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Leo seems to have the knack for it
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[19:30] <Upu_M0UPU> Hey Steve_G0TDJ that board I posted on #Hackvana : http://imgur.com/a/UKYJW#0
[19:30] <craag> nice Upu_M0UPU !
[19:31] <Upu_M0UPU> cheers craag
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[19:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Upu_M0UPU: That's gorgeous :D
[19:33] <Upu_M0UPU> amazed all the routing worked
[19:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> Where did the stencil come from?
[19:33] <Upu_M0UPU> actual routing rather than the copper stuff
[19:33] <Upu_M0UPU> Mitch
[19:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh?
[19:33] <Upu_M0UPU> he's doing them again
[19:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> YAY!
[19:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm REALLY glad. I'm gonna need one for my latest board
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[19:40] <mfa298> Upu_M0UPU: that does look impressive :D
[19:40] <Upu_M0UPU> it took long enough :)
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[19:41] <Upu_M0UPU> can use either a step up or solar + lipo
[19:42] <mfa298> looks like some nice design where you can snap off the bits you dont need as well as having the mezzanine layers.
[19:43] <Upu_M0UPU> well
[19:43] <Upu_M0UPU> the mezzaine serves two purposes
[19:43] <Upu_M0UPU> firstly gives you flexibility in power options
[19:43] <Upu_M0UPU> secondly it acts as the shield for the radio filter note only the RF out is visible
[19:44] <Upu_M0UPU> take that unshielded RFM22B
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[19:44] <Upu_M0UPU> also may serve as some level of insulation for the board
[19:44] <Upu_M0UPU> as all the crystals are under it
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[19:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Upu: When can we expect it's maiden flight?
[19:48] <Upu> Going to make some up next week
[19:48] <Upu> if they work I have an interestng plan
[19:48] <Upu> watch this space
[19:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Great - I look forward to tracking
[19:50] <daveake> I'm sure it'll be a fun flight :)
[19:50] <Upu> hope you have a few radios :)
[19:50] <daveake> :)
[19:50] <craag> hmm pico cluster?
[19:50] Action: craag crosses fingers!
[19:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> :D
[19:50] Action: mfa298 hopes they're all within the 192KHz of the FCD Pro+
[19:51] <Upu> well given one with an AAA weighs ~15g with antenna
[19:51] <Upu> and they are TCXO's yes mfa298 :)
[19:51] <Upu> and DominoEX16
[19:51] <Upu> seems a waste of a 1600g to launch just one
[19:51] <craag> ha
[19:51] Action: Steve_G0TDJ thinks he better get his dongle sorted out......that came out wrong...
[19:52] <Upu> I might throw one up on a foil first just as a test
[19:52] <mfa298> sounds like it could be an interesting flight
[19:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Send it this way so I can recover it ;-)
[19:53] <craag> Hmm for putting a temp sensor out of the side of a box, I'm considering gluing a lip above it to shield it from the sun?
[19:53] <craag> Or should I just wrap it in foil?
[19:53] <DL1SGP> don't jam your dongle driver it in a zip Steve_G0TDJ
[19:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL @ Felix :D
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.pdnotebook.com/wp-content/themes/thesis_16/custom/images/Five_hundred_and_seven_mechanical_moveme.pdf
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> A simple compilation of gears, belt arrangements, ... to do variosu things
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> 507 of them
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[20:03] <LeoBodnar> craag: earth IR affect readings too
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> *spellings
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[20:10] <tjanos> with something similar? : http://www.melexis.com/Infrared-Thermometer-Sensors/Infrared-Thermometer-Sensors/MLX90620-776.aspx
[20:11] <craag> LeoBodnar: Good point
[20:12] <craag> I did think about making a little roof on 4 blocks for it on the lid, but thought that might be overkill :)
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[20:17] <LeoBodnar> maybe something like a horizontal tube works best?
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[20:24] <mfa298> small piece of tube might help protect it from any wind chill as well.
[20:25] <craag> Small piece of tube sounds good
[20:25] <mfa298> so which entry in the 101 uses of BnQ waste pipe is that ?
[20:26] <craag> hah
[20:26] <craag> I think I'll go with card tube
[20:26] <mfa298> although BnQ waste pipe is probably too large (even he small stuff)
[20:26] <craag> For weight :/
[20:27] <mfa298> leave the pvc pipe for the massive and buggy payloads that take hours to fail at launching.
[20:28] Action: mfa298 wonders if they'll try to re-use that again this year.
[20:28] <craag> Oh you haven't heard the latest hab gdp?
[20:29] <craag> Automated launch system :)
[20:29] <craag> For SHARP.
[20:29] <mfa298> as in launch from the ground ?
[20:29] <craag> Actually, might not be the same dept.
[20:29] <mfa298> or rockoon type thing
[20:29] <craag> launch from the ground
[20:30] <craag> I think it might be ASTRA behind that
[20:30] <mfa298> I think Sharp was all Aero/space engineers.
[20:30] <craag> Yeah
[20:30] <craag> well they had a couple of mech I think.
[20:31] <craag> But yeah, you can tell the buggy payloads..
[20:31] <mfa298> after they seem to have had so many issues launching manually I can't see an automated system working well.
[20:31] <craag> .. they're the ones using carbon fibre!
[20:31] <craag> haha no
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[20:33] <mfa298> unless you just define: const bool isitworking=false;
[20:39] <craag> Unless it's C#
[20:39] <craag> in which case you probably need a class for that.
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[21:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Testing Andrew_M6GTG?
[21:05] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: Yes total rewrite of the software ;-)
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[21:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good oh:-)
[21:05] <MickMondo> Hi,,,,
[21:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey
[21:06] <MickMondo> Anyone online who can approve a flight doc for me, really short notice ....
[21:06] <Andrew_M6GTG> still no proper GPS yet, still hanging off the back of the netbook
[21:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> You could try asking in #habhub but Upu may be able to help
[21:07] <MickMondo> I,m after lauching this Sunday, just a pico to try out a transmitter..
[21:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Andrew_M6GTG: Did you not get one of those modules frmo China
[21:07] <Andrew_M6GTG> not arrived yet :-(
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[21:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> MickMondo: I'm sure that will be fine.
[21:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Bliney Andy, we have both been waiting forever
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[21:08] <MickMondo> Is that Steve R ..?
[21:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thats Rocketboy I believe.
[21:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm just boring ol' Steve Smith
[21:09] <chrisstubbs> MickMondo, #habhub is indeed the place to ask. What frequency will you be using on sunday?
[21:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Chris :-)
[21:09] <chrisstubbs> Evening
[21:10] <MickMondo> I see someone is on 300 so i was going to go on 200
[21:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> I wonder who is on .300 ;-)
[21:10] <chrisstubbs> That would be me :) Cool, let me know if you have any problems asap so i can switch if need be
[21:11] <MickMondo> Hi ya, Yeah Im launching in Leigh on sea, I see you are in Chelsmford..
[21:11] <LeoBodnar> Sunday is the short notice?! Hah
[21:11] <daveake> lol
[21:12] <MickMondo> Yep,, sorry, I've just spotted the prediction and didnt want to miss it,, have lauched much this year... bloody work
[21:12] <MickMondo> Hi dave..
[21:13] <daveake> Leo needs a time machine so he can actually announce a flight before he launches
[21:13] <daveake> Hi Mick :)
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[21:13] <chrisstubbs> Yeah im chelmsford, leigh is pretty close. I will be sure to tune in if your still flying when I have recovered mine
[21:14] <MickMondo> Hows it going..? trying to launch this sunday, just a pico to test a transmitter..
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[21:14] <MickMondo> Can you approve a flight doc for me dave ..?
[21:14] <Upu> hey MickMondo
[21:14] <Upu> I can
[21:14] <Upu> welcome back
[21:14] <Upu> been a while :)
[21:15] <daveake> My assistant ^ will help :)
[21:15] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[21:15] <MickMondo> Hi ya... coooooool yep, I'm still into habing but been so busy with work and other crap .. ha ha
[21:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> I hope you guys MickMondo and chrisstubbs can stagger your launches so we can all help track with both?
[21:15] <Upu> MONDO-12A ?
[21:15] <MickMondo> yep thats it.
[21:16] <MickMondo> do you need the doc number ..
[21:16] <Upu> heck that Sunday thats not short notice
[21:16] <Upu> speak to leo if you want to know what short notice is
[21:16] <Upu> approved
[21:16] <MickMondo> arrrrr cheers..
[21:16] <MickMondo> I hope its all going ok with you
[21:17] <Upu> anything interesting or are you trying to beat your own record again ? :)
[21:17] <Upu> all good thx
[21:17] <chrisstubbs> MickMondo, are you going to recover the tracker?
[21:17] <chrisstubbs> We might be fighting for sunlight Steve_G0TDJ haha
[21:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
[21:17] <MickMondo> LOL,,, I do have that in the pipe line and some other things I've been working on,, just want to launch anything, really miss it
[21:18] <Upu> ok cool post a notice to the mailing list
[21:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> I see, another helpless soul, slave to the launch...
[21:18] <MickMondo> Yes I hope so.... Chriss
[21:18] <Upu> I think we have a few on Sunday
[21:18] <chrisstubbs> I better do my flight doc
[21:18] <MickMondo> yes will do,,,
[21:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm thinking of sending VAYU-2 up NEXT week but that will be subject to predictions and transport.
[21:20] <MickMondo> Right back to the grind... cheers guys for your help... speak soooooon I hope.. byeeeee
[21:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> 73
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[21:22] <chrisstubbs> snap away board looked cool btw upu, came quick!
[21:23] <Upu> DHL
[21:23] <Upu> :)
[21:23] <chrisstubbs> $$
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[21:30] <Upu> well
[21:30] <Upu> tagged it on some comercial boards
[21:31] <chrisstubbs> :) Is your habdunio on sale now?
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[21:38] <Upu> yes actually
[21:38] <Upu> I have a few I need to put them on the shop
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[21:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> Upu: Let me know when you've done that and I'll do a quick write-up on my blog
[21:40] <Upu> cheers
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[21:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right, time for a bit of TV - Catch you later guys.
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[21:55] <DL7AD> evening
[21:56] <DL1SGP1> nabend sven
[21:57] <DL7AD> DL1SGP1: moin moin
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[22:13] <vk5rm> Ballon launch from Bendigo AU today
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[22:14] <fsphil> oh yes
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[22:14] <fsphil> how long until that?
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[22:16] <vk5rm> 11am local victorian time I belive
[22:17] <vk5rm> vk1od Gm frm Brisbane
[22:18] <mfa298> victorian time, is that GMT - 120 years :p
[22:18] <fsphil> morning :)
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[22:20] <fsphil> 11am melbourne is in 2 hours
[22:20] <fsphil> 00:00 UTC
[22:20] <VK1OD> vk5rm: G'day.
[22:20] <fsphil> well 2 hours - 20 minutes
[22:20] <DL1SGP1> morning aussies :)
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[22:23] <DL1SGP1> preparing HF side of things here :)
[22:23] <vk5rm> vk2bls GM Darrell
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[22:37] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Brazillian Amateur Radio APRS Balloon Launches Sunday http://t.co/naTVQmy4dr #amsat #hamr #hab #ukhas
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[22:40] <nats`> back :)
[22:40] <DL1SGP> welcome back nats`
[22:40] <nats`> :)
[22:40] <nats`> nice restaurant with french food
[22:40] <nats`> :D
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[23:21] <arko> is anyone from batc.tv here?
[23:22] <craag> arko: I can probably represent.
[23:22] <craag> What's up?
[23:22] <fsphil> word up
[23:22] <arko> do you know the San Bernardino Microwave Society?
[23:22] <craag> No..
[23:23] <arko> ah
[23:23] <arko> ok
[23:23] <arko> they broadcast on batc.tv i was wondering
[23:23] <craag> Ah ok, well anyone with an account can :)
[23:23] <arko> ah
[23:23] <arko> right
[23:24] <arko> just thought i'd ask
[23:24] <arko> didnt expect them to be using batc.tv
[23:24] <arko> being americans :P
[23:24] <craag> I think it's about 50% of the traffic is usa
[23:24] <mfa298> we now expect arko's launch to be live on batc.tv :p
[23:24] <craag> yes ^^
[23:24] <arko> haha
[23:24] <arko> i'll do my best
[23:24] <arko> it will be around these hours actually
[23:24] <arko> 1pm PST
[23:25] <arko> which was 2.5 hours ago
[23:25] <arko> its 3:30ish now
[23:25] <fsphil> any word from the ozzy launch?
[23:25] <craag> arko: I can lend you my streamer account if you want to use it tomorrow :)
[23:26] <craag> Would be awesome to watch a hab launch on the other side of the pond :D
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander__> hello
[23:28] <craag> Good evening Lunar_Lander__ !
[23:28] <DL1SGP> Guten Morgen Lunar_Lander__
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander__> how's life?
[23:28] <craag> Good thanks :) you?
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander__> same here, thaks
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander__> thanks :)
[23:29] <arko> craag: launch is cancelled due to weather :(
[23:29] <craag> awwwww
[23:29] <arko> which is weird for los angeles
[23:29] <fsphil> whoa
[23:29] <DL1SGP> heh
[23:29] <fsphil> should be be scared?
[23:29] <fsphil> we
[23:29] <craag> haha
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander__> XD the segment of the first Mr Bean movie where he is in the operation room and he recognizes the police chief and pulls down his face shield to make this thumbs up gesture
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[23:29] <arko> everyone panic
[23:30] <craag> well whenever you get a chance to do it again, let me know if you want some help with setting up streaming :)
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[23:38] <arko> ok!
[23:38] <arko> sounds great
[23:38] <arko> get a murica hab on there
[23:39] <arko> holy cow
[23:39] <fsphil> I think bill did a web stream once
[23:40] <fsphil> he built the payload on camera
[23:40] <arko> i'm easily going to be the lightest high altitude balloon payload launched in the united states!
[23:40] <arko> awesome!
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[23:40] <arko> i should submit to arhab
[23:40] <fsphil> definitly
[23:40] <arko> :D
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[23:41] <fsphil> ah the VK's are arriving :)
[23:41] <fsphil> any sign of a launch down there?
[23:41] <DL1SGP> yes
[23:41] <DL1SGP> they are setting up
[23:41] <arko> at this hour?
[23:41] <DL1SGP> status is updated in #PSB as things happen
[23:41] <fsphil> yea in 20 minutes times last I heard
[23:41] <VK5RM> Im id brisbane but shud be ina bout 20 ,mins
[23:42] <arko> are night launches becoming a thing?
[23:42] <fsphil> it's daytime there
[23:42] <VK5RM> hopefully..
[23:42] <VK5RM> yep
[23:42] <arko> :)
[23:42] <arko> fsphil: seriously?
[23:42] <fsphil> I miss oz
[23:42] <arko> its day time here...
[23:42] <craag> arko: Australia
[23:43] <fsphil> oh yea it's midnight here :)
[23:43] <arko> ohhhhhh
[23:43] <arko> that makes so much more sense now
[23:43] <craag> :)
[23:43] <arko> fsphil: "there"
[23:43] <arko> hahaha
[23:43] <VK5RM> carryinf HF / UHF digital modes wspr thor4 jt65 rtty
[23:43] <DL1SGP> (12:42:21 AM) Veranderon: For new arrivals, the team is currently in the setup phase. We will advise as things occur.
[23:43] <arko> sorry, totally mixed up
[23:44] <VK5RM> the ol downunder
[23:44] <arko> downunda*
[23:44] <arko> :P
[23:45] <fsphil> you'll need to have another total eclipse so I can have an excuse to go back
[23:45] <VK5RM> 1045 am saturday here for what its worth lol
[23:45] <fsphil> at least you have a nice sensible whole hour offset
[23:46] <fsphil> from UTC
[23:46] <fsphil> not like adelaide
[23:46] <VK5RM> same ol place diff govt tho
[23:50] <VK5RM> orig from adelaide this way too
[23:50] <WillTablet> It's getting to that time when sleep just becomes an ante-jentacular nap
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[23:52] <fsphil> image data coming in
[23:53] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/PSBPI
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[23:53] <VK5RM> tks looks like a start then
[23:54] <fsphil> the caching on the ssdv page seems a bit to aggressive
[23:56] <VK5RM> now theres some good ol country side for U
[23:56] <fsphil> love it
[23:56] <VK5RM> lota missing packets
[23:56] <DL1SGP> as long as they do not get their balloon tortured by ninja-wallaby all is fine :)
[23:57] <VK5RM> I will be mon WSPR 20 meters see what happens
[23:57] <fsphil> nah, they're too lazy
[23:57] <VK5RM> only hv 1 hour then off to Sunshine Coast
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[23:58] <bambi> for the d-fidgi 'locator' window - so I pit in grid square?
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[23:59] <fsphil> 'Locator' isn't used for the dl- system
[23:59] <fsphil> you want to enter your location into DL Client > Location
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