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[00:02] <Laurenceb_> im guessing next ground station is argentina or somewhere
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[00:12] <wb8elk> it appears to be heading for me here in Alabama in the US
[00:13] <wb8elk> the tracking site still shows it at 133 km...it went down to 108 km at perigee
[00:14] <wb8elk> Although it may have already splashed down....but I'll still go outside and look for it in 20 minutes
[00:14] <wb8elk> I'll wear a hardhat
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[05:37] <DL7AD_> morning
[05:37] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
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[06:46] <DL7AD> morning
[06:47] <x-f> morning
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[07:03] <DL7AD> informed some persons in belarus about STS-10.... i know some persons there (third-contact)
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[07:07] <x-f> i'm out of range for it..
[07:09] <RA4NIE> good morning
[07:10] <RA4NIE> what is the frequency of the STS-10?
[07:10] <x-f> RA4NIE, it should be on 437.651 MHz USB
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[07:13] <x-f> RA4NIE, it should be on 437.651 MHz USB
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[07:13] <RA4NIE_> x-f, thanks
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[07:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning all
[07:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> we really need few stations in Belarus
[07:34] <DL7AD> morning
[07:34] <DL7AD> i know some stations there
[07:34] <DL7AD> hope that they will react soon
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[07:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> Morning DL7AD :-)
[07:35] <DL7AD> good morning SP9UOB-Tom
[07:36] <DL7AD> we had a guest in our amateur radio club from belarus and he talked to me, he saw a balloon M0DER ... he couldnt remember exactly
[07:37] <DL7AD> corrected him to M0XER and he agreed :D
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[07:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-)
[07:38] <DL7AD> he's very interested but he's currently living in berlin... i talked to him this morning and he's trying to warn some persons in minsk
[07:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> Awesome !
[07:39] <DL7AD> and rn3ddw mailed me already this morning with the question when the balloon will come
[07:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> it should be in 6-7 hours
[07:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> but Radim estimated battery life for 24 hours
[07:43] <x-f> on the bright side - Radim got a proper pico float finally :)
[07:43] <x-f> good morning, Tom
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[08:00] <DL1SGP> a wonderful good morning everyone
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[08:09] <DL7AD> moin moin DL1SGP
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[08:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning x-f :-)
[08:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> We have Independence Day today :-) So no wrk today :-)
[08:18] <x-f> nice, congratulations :)
[08:18] <x-f> we will have our next Monday
[08:22] <DL7AD> we already had
[08:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> 'Morning Guys
[08:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> Independence Day Tom :-)
[08:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> Happy Independence Day even
[08:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> Thanks :-)
[08:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll wake up in a minute...
[08:25] <DL7AD> Steve_G0TDJ: rofl
[08:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-) I'm not a morning person DL7AD
[08:27] <DL7AD> Steve_G0TDJ: me too.... my biological clock says its evening
[08:28] Action: SP9UOB-Tom too
[08:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm sure we'll all be OK in an hour or so.
[08:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> i can work till 3-4 am but morning waking is horrible
[08:29] <DL7AD> so... why was everybody sleeping when D-1 and D-2 have been launched? :P
[08:32] <x-f> my excuse is being in GMT+2 :P
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[08:58] <DL1SGP> Guten Morgen Sven, Steve, Tom, x-f, fsphil, LeoBodnar and whoever is active
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[09:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Felix. I'm dimmly aware of the morning :-)
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[09:01] <DL1SGP> haha you did not have enough coffee yet Steve_G0TDJ
[09:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-) Not a coffee lover but I might have another tea in a min - Morning Dave
[09:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> SP9UOB-Tom: Just sent you an e-mail
[09:04] <DL7AD> got an answer from belarus.... they only have FM transceivers :(
[09:04] <DL7AD> but they can hear it with a rubber duck
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[09:06] <radim_OM2AMR_> DL7AD, anyway thank you you tried it
[09:07] <DL7AD> no problem.... im trying to get them ready for the next time
[09:07] <DL7AD> they are very interested in
[09:08] <radim_OM2AMR_> I found contact for eu1eu, I wrote him mail
[09:08] <radim_OM2AMR_> President of AGB - Activity Group of Belarus
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[09:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi Radim :-)
[09:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: got it thanks
[09:28] <radim_OM2AMR_> Morning Tomek
[09:28] <radim_OM2AMR_> well done job by your ham friends last night
[09:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> radim_OM2AMR_: :-) we have Independence Day today, so no early wake
[09:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> radim_OM2AMR_: congratulations :-)
[09:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> radim_OM2AMR_: i hope that Pico will be received in Moscow :-)
[09:31] <radim_OM2AMR_> oh, thank you, but without your support will be nothing :-)
[09:31] <radim_OM2AMR_> I hope so
[09:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: maybe cheap RTL-SDR ?
[09:34] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: for the persons in belarus?
[09:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: yes
[09:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> i think it can be brought everywhere :-)
[09:37] <DL7AD> brought or bought?
[09:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> bought :-)
[09:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> pardon my english :-)
[09:38] <radim_OM2AMR_> Tomek will act like Santa Claus, he will bring RTL-SDR to Belarus :-)
[09:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> but in fact i have no opportunity to practice :-)
[09:38] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: np... i dont know but i could send them mine
[09:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have spare funcube dongle
[09:40] <radim_OM2AMR_> me to, currently unused
[09:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> radim_OM2AMR_: well, i have beard (not long and not grey...) so i can act as Santa ;-)
[09:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> i habe BOUGHT funcube pro+
[09:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> have
[09:42] <radim_OM2AMR_> :-D so please do not shave it for a while :-)
[09:42] <radim_OM2AMR_> beard not FCD+
[09:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> lol
[09:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> i think that Steve_G0TDJ has more suitable beard ;-)
[09:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Really? :D
[09:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: to act as Santa :-)
[09:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> Might need to grow a little first!
[09:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> http://flyha.be/18lfhgq
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[09:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Andy
[09:47] <Andrew_M6GTG> Morning Steve
[09:48] <Andrew_M6GTG> How was the Rally?
[09:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Quite busy!
[09:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice to catch up with everyone, Dave on Kenwood, Chris on Icom, Steve on W&S etc.
[09:49] <Andrew_M6GTG> any new kit?
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[09:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, not for me Andy. My friend Ian G7PHD bought an Icom ID-51e though
[09:52] <Andrew_M6GTG> still waiting for the slow boat from China
[09:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> SP9UOB-Tom: I just recieved 2x Si4455 via FedEx...... HOW DO YOU SOLDER THEM! LOL
[09:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, still waiting Andy. Hopefully soon.
[09:53] <Andrew_M6GTG> me too.. want my uBlox
[09:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm waiting for a few bits & pieces in cluding my new boards
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[09:56] <Andrew_M6GTG> NERD-1 prototype has gone from breadboard to a piece of veroboard lol
[09:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well that's a step forward
[09:56] <DL1SGP> sounds nerdy
[09:56] <DL1SGP> :D
[09:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[09:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> 'What's green and nerdy........A Nerd-1 board'
[09:56] <DL1SGP> nice to hear that your project is progressing Andrew_M6GTG
[09:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: with this: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=729730927052672&set=pb.100000473142757.-2207520000.1384163981.&type=3&theater
[10:00] <Andrew_M6GTG> DL1SGP: Thanks this iteration will probably never fly, just some experimentation
[10:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1184910_729730927052672_262749445_n.jpg
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is that IR Tom?
[10:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: bottom IR heater, top hot air
[10:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK. I have Hot Air station, I'll have to see if that works. If I use the Si chip.
[10:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> and its preety cheap (less than 100 GBP)
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> eBay?
[10:05] <Andrew_M6GTG> some pretty cheap IR reworks on ebay too..
[10:06] <Andrew_M6GTG> and you don't have to worry about chips blowing away ;-)
[10:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> The problem I have is space (the final frontier) Just nowhere to put stuff.
[10:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: no Polish shop (but product is chinese)
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[10:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> Steve_G0TDJ: but im sure You can find it somewhere in UK
[10:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, I'll have a look , thanks
[10:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, its time to walk with family :-)
[10:09] <DL7AD> baking would be a solution with solder paste
[10:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> AFK
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[10:11] <DL7AD> Steve_G0TDJ: thomas does this on an electrical cooker
[10:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> DL7AD: Yes, there is someone here in the UK (can't remember who) who uses a cooker from a household store.
[10:12] <DL1SGP> I have seen one in this community using a hacked IR Oven
[10:13] <DL1SGP> hacking the PWM for the IR heating apparently permitted for higher temperatures on a standard household oven
[10:13] <DL7AD> Steve_G0TDJ: i did this on my own when i have been at him.... and in my optinion i dont want do this again ^^
[10:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> It all seems very difficult DL7AD I'm looking at other chips that do the same job first.
[10:14] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[10:14] Action: DL1SGP issues a fair enough warning that hackng household equipment certainly voids any warranty... so it is a noble thing :)
[10:14] <DL7AD> but i think the si you can only get in this format
[10:15] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: pffff
[10:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> DL7AD: Yes, I think that is correct. Looking at TI and Atmel solutions
[10:15] <DL7AD> Steve_G0TDJ: btw i soldered 2 pecan picos in the us... both had errors
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[10:16] <DL7AD> consuming any current permantly
[10:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have been lucky so far!
[10:16] <DL7AD> ~20mA
[10:16] <DL7AD> next time i wanna do this industrial
[10:16] <DL7AD> afk too
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[10:38] <chrisjake> hey, is there anyone here who can give me some quick pointers on getting my arduino to communicate over rtty?
[10:38] <Darkside> read the wiki
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[10:39] <Hix> chrisjake http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[10:39] <chrisjake> yup, ive done that and got that working
[10:39] <chrisjake> now trying to get gps data through the pipe
[10:39] <Darkside> thats up to you
[10:39] <chrisjake> i *think* i might have a baud rate mismatch but am not sure
[10:40] <chrisjake> the arduino is taking the NMEA sentence and parsing it out over serial just fine
[10:41] <chrisjake> so I tried getting it to replace "RTTY TEST BEACON" with the char array containing the NMEA sentence
[10:41] <chrisjake> and am getting jibberish in fl digi.
[10:41] <Hix> try hitting the reverse option [bottom right iirc]
[10:42] <eroomde> do you know that the char array actually contains an nmea sentence?
[10:42] <eroomde> have you printed it to serial mon using the arduino's serial routines?
[10:42] <chrisjake> eroomde: yup, comes out on serial just fine
[10:43] <chrisjake> hix: reverse (i assume Rv) hasn't changed anything
[10:43] <Hix> does "RTTY TEST BEACON" come out ok?
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[10:47] <chrisjake> yup
[10:48] <mfa298> if you're just copying nmea sentences into the buffer to be sent you might have some issues.
[10:49] <mfa298> 50 baud rtty takes a while to send a string (several seconds), nmea updates the strings every second.
[10:49] <mfa298> although that depends on how your code is working
[10:51] <chrisjake> yeah. although i've just been playing with the code a bit... if I comment out the function which gets the NMEA sentence from the GPS the transmitter stops working entirely
[10:51] <chrisjake> even if i replace the NMEA string with "RTTY TEST BEACON"
[10:52] <chrisjake> but works if i comment out the GPS.begin command in the setup.
[10:52] <mfa298> if you're willing to put your code on something like github / pastebin someone might be able to have a look to see if there's anything obvious
[10:53] <chrisjake> _even if_ the gps check isn't running.
[10:53] <chrisjake> yeah absolutely. I think there must be some design flaws :p
[10:54] <fsphil> your nmea string might not be big enough, overflowing
[10:55] <mfa298> using something like github for code development is worthwhile anyway, the idea being that you commit changes often so if something breaks you can quickly see what's changed and revert.
[10:55] <DL1SGP> we should rename that to githab
[10:55] <fsphil> or possibly not null terminated correctly
[10:55] <DL1SGP> :D
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[10:56] <chrisjake> http://pastebin.com/rsuZ045M
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[10:58] <chrisjake> my other thought is it could be a timing issue with the way the nmea sentence is run and then how the rtty functions are executed. My C knowledge is dubious and my other arduino projects have been fairly simple so I tried to break it down into lots of functions to make it easier for me to manage. Not sure if that works in real time computing.
[10:58] <Hix> don't know if it makes a difference but Serial.begin(115200); seems high chrisjake Iused 9600
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[10:59] <chrisjake> ill give that a crack as well. that was just what was used in the adafruit gps tutorial.
[10:59] <mfa298> I'd guess the Serial.begin is for the console connection to the PC so that should be ok
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[11:01] <chrisjake> yeah still works. and yup, serial.begin is for the PC connection.
[11:01] <daveake> SoftwareSerial <-- that'll be it
[11:02] <daveake> Any reason you're not using the real uart?
[11:02] <chrisjake> oh? also, dave akerman! you inspired this scheme to begin with! I am a big fan of your stuff.
[11:02] <daveake> <blush>
[11:02] <daveake> my fault then :p
[11:03] <chrisjake> the software serial was again from the adafruit gps tutorial
[11:03] <daveake> yeah but what do they know? :)
[11:03] <chrisjake> hahaha, indirectly I suppose.
[11:03] <mfa298> I'm not sure about the logic in gpscheck, that looks like it's just going to grab a single character into the text buffer.
[11:03] <Hix> SoftwareSerial mySerial(3, 2);
[11:03] <Hix> ahh, read before paste
[11:04] <chrisjake> I suppose because that way I don't need a uart connector?
[11:04] <chrisjake> or should I output the gps to uart
[11:04] <chrisjake> and hook up the radio to that
[11:04] <daveake> Use the h/w serial for the gps
[11:05] <Hix> always :)
[11:05] <daveake> leave radio as it is
[11:05] <daveake> s/w serial is likely messing up your timing by using interrupts to service the rx pin
[11:05] <Hix> "Never use softwareSerial" should be in the topic :D
[11:06] <DL1SGP> heh Hix
[11:06] <chrisjake> Ah, okay
[11:06] <Hix> I'm pretty sure every single person has done it :)
[11:06] <daveake> Well of course the NTX2 Tx *is* software serial, but yes it's best not to use it for receiving
[11:07] <chrisjake> okay. So i should move the tx and rx pins from the gps to the rx and tx pins on the uart connector?
[11:07] <Hix> yup
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[11:26] <fsphil> it can't be that hard to make a software serial rx that doesn't suck
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[11:27] <Miek> what sucks about the current one?
[11:27] <craag> There's AltSoftSerial which I found, but haven't tried.
[11:27] <fsphil> the interrupt seems to take up far too much cpu time
[11:28] <fsphil> all it should be doing is shifting the gpio state into a byte
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[11:31] <fsphil> there are delays in there. urg
[11:32] <daveake> w t f ?
[11:32] <fsphil> / Wait approximately 1/2 of a bit width to "center" the sample
[11:32] <fsphil> tunedDelay(_rx_delay_centering);
[11:32] <fsphil> d'oj
[11:32] <mattbrejza> ahahaha
[11:32] <fsphil> japanese version of d'oh
[11:33] <daveake> that's terrible
[11:33] <daveake> it's "centre" not "center" :)
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[11:33] <gonzo_> any rocketman flights today?
[11:34] <mfa298> ouch, that's not good
[11:34] <mattbrejza> lol arduino
[11:34] <fsphil> that certainly explains why timing goes horribly wrong every time someone uses nss
[11:34] <daveake> yup
[11:34] <mfa298> lol, bad coders (they exist on all platforms)
[11:34] <daveake> now go put a government health warning in the wikli :)
[11:34] <daveake> wiki
[11:35] <gonzo_> the higher the level of language, the more bad coders it seems to attract
[11:35] <mfa298> UKHAS Health warning - to protect our health and save you from being told why you're doing it wrong.
[11:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> gonzo_: probably because they are likely to choose easy-way-out in many cases
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[11:37] <fsphil> we need a newnewsoftserial
[11:39] <gonzo_> I just grafted one into the sw TX on the pic. Though never used it in anger
[11:40] <gonzo_> almost the inverse of the tc code. the state machine states are elmost equiv
[11:40] <gonzo_> tc = tx
[11:40] <jedas> i'm ordering low noise narrow filter for hab spotting for RTL dongle. is the 433.5 - 434.5 mhz range suitable for that ?
[11:41] <gonzo_> is that the 3db bandwidth?
[11:42] <jedas> yea, i think so
[11:42] <jedas> let me find exact part
[11:42] <Reb-SM3ULC> gonzo_: like with php.. trying to attract as many as possible with a lot of variations without thinking of the general idea with the language.. then packet with bugs...
[11:42] <jedas> http://www.epcos.com/inf/40/ds/ae/B3740.pdf
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[11:44] <gonzo_> 433,74 ... 434,10 MHz 3,0 dB
[11:44] <gonzo_> probably a bit too narrow
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[11:45] <gonzo_> from mem they do some wider parts
[11:45] <db_g6gzh> jedas: some of the flights e.g. STS-10 are up at 437 MHz
[11:45] <jedas> i see
[11:45] <db_g6gzh> UK flights are up to 434.65
[11:45] <x-f> jedas, Polish habbers tend to use 437 MHz
[11:45] <db_g6gzh> but if you're really in .lt ...
[11:46] <jedas> hm, maybe 2 different sets would make sense
[11:47] <gonzo_> no reason why you can't package up the filter seperate and swap them out as req
[11:47] <jedas> yea. i'll probably do that
[11:48] <gonzo_> that was my plan with 868mhz
[11:49] <mfa298> cough, habamb, cough (although I'm not sure what it's performance for te 437 flights would be like)
[11:51] <jedas> :)
[11:51] <gonzo_> yep, I'd cough that one too
[11:51] <jedas> does habamp power from usb power ?
[11:51] <jedas> oh, i see it does
[11:51] <mfa298> it's got a varietly of power options and I think some people have taken power from usb for it.
[11:52] <gonzo_> "The LNA itself runs from 3-5V without any biasing resistors, and draws 56mA. "
[11:53] <gonzo_> from upu's doc, it uses this filter http://www.epcos.com/inf/40/ds/ae/B3710.pdf
[11:53] <gonzo_> 10meg bandwidth
[11:53] <gonzo_> (first hit if you google 'habamp')
[11:53] <jedas> oh, thanks, that's useful
[11:54] <UpuWork> jedas https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/PDFS/HAB-FILTER%20Instructions.pdf
[11:54] <mfa298> the frequency plot seemed to drop off at 437 so it might not be so good on those flights. But it covers the ISM band we use in the UK
[11:54] <UpuWork> might help
[11:54] <UpuWork> cheers
[11:55] <UpuWork> afk
[11:55] <jedas> thanks, i was just looking at it :)
[11:55] <UpuWork> don't have any in stock atm sorry need to make some more
[11:55] <UpuWork> really afk now :)
[11:55] <UpuWork> eta 1-2 weeks
[11:55] <UpuWork> afk^2
[11:56] <jedas> actually my friend likes to build a filters, so he will make one for me
[11:59] <x-f> order a few of them and lets send them to Belarus with some RTLSDR dongles! :)
[11:59] <x-f> or would that somehow qualify as spying..
[12:00] <jedas> yea, they probably would arrest everyone :)
[12:01] <radim_OM2AMR_> maybe STS-10 pico is shooted down by military fighters now - spy device :-)
[12:02] <jedas> i don't see frequency description on STS-10 in digi software
[12:02] <jedas> where i can obtain it ?
[12:02] <radim_OM2AMR_> 437.651 MHz +/-
[12:02] <jedas> i see. where do you read this ?
[12:02] <x-f> he launched it :)
[12:02] <radim_OM2AMR_> in my code :-) STS-10 is mine :-D
[12:02] <jedas> oh :) ok
[12:03] <mfa298> jedas: most launches are announced in this google group/mailing list http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
[12:03] <jedas> noted
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[12:03] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
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[12:13] <x-f> SP3OSJ launched a pico a few minutes ago
[12:14] <micked> What Freq is it transmitting on??
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[12:15] <x-f> 437.7 most likely
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[12:16] <x-f> however i can't find an announcement even on the Polish forum
[12:17] <SP3OSJ> Good afternoon. Please approve the flight doc: a556b04c79b9175c51de817fec68b47e
[12:17] <jedas> maybe it got away unintentionally :)
[12:18] <x-f> good luck with the flight, SP3OSJ, interesting prediction
[12:19] <radim_OM2AMR_> Hi SP3OSJ, good luck
[12:19] <SP3OSJ> thank ewrybady
[12:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> SP3OSJ: Bon Voyage
[12:26] <SP3OSJ> Mucia gracjaz
[12:27] <SP3OSJ> Italy today in the evening
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[12:33] <SP3OSJ> SP3OSJ not in auto-configuration if it is OK?
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[12:33] <RS010> $$$$$STS-10,5199,11:10:16,55.68987,30.76190,6256,9,0,1.44,8.5*3116 $$$$$STS-10,5200,11:10:24,55.69073,30.76466,6257,10,0,1.43,9.0*6AD0 $$$$$STS-10,5201,11:10:28,55.69115,30.76599,6259,11,0,1.43,9.5*D70F $$$$$STS-10,5203,11:10:36,55.69203,30.76866,6262,11,0,1.42,9.5*3D24
[12:34] <radim_OM2AMR_> GREAT !!! :-)
[12:34] <RS010> sts-10 is moment in russia
[12:35] <radim_OM2AMR_> could you feed it to the tracker please ?
[12:37] <radim_OM2AMR_> battery looks good, temperature also
[12:37] <radim_OM2AMR_> altitude is more than 2000m higher
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[12:41] <RS010> <radim_OM2AMR_> I took the information on the forum http://www.radioscanner.ru/forum/topic46633-9.html#msg1046805
[12:43] <radim_OM2AMR_> very nice, good work guys !
[12:43] <radim_OM2AMR_> also habitat guys :-) map is updated
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[12:48] <UpuWork> you should stay on here RS010 :)
[12:48] <UpuWork> I can manually post those
[12:48] <x-f> i uploaded them, mixed up the callsigns a bit, sorry about that
[12:49] <UpuWork> ah x-f has done it
[12:49] <x-f> you were afk!
[12:49] <radim_OM2AMR_> so thanks to x-f :-)
[12:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is XABEN0 preparing for launch? List postings a little confising.
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[12:57] <Hix> daveake what is the real world current draw of a pi with the pi-cam running on it?
[12:57] <RS010> The latest telemetry, since errors
[12:57] <RS010> $$$$$STS-10,5205,11:14:01,55.71528,30.8407',6263,11,0,1.43,10.5*B0A1 $$$$$STS-10,5206,11:14:13,55.715'3,30.84213,6262,10,0,1.42,11.0*C21A $$$$$STS-10,5207,11:14:17,55.71619,30.84349,6262,i,0Xl6-ssDAB8 $$$d$WtS-10,5208,11:14:21,55.71662,30.84483,6263,8,0,1W42,lsS941
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[12:58] <daveake> Hix stills or video?
[12:58] <G4AIU-Eugene> GA all
[12:58] <Hix> worst case, so probably video
[12:59] <daveake> Can't remember :p, but quite high. Somewhere around 300mA IIRC
[12:59] <daveake> I'll measure it sometime
[12:59] <Hix> ok, cool. The specs stated 700mA but I figured that was absolute max load
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[12:59] <daveake> My flights have only had a few minutes of video so not an issue
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[13:00] <daveake> On the plus side, you can put the cam outside and it'll still stay warm :p
[13:00] <Hix> discovered the pi-noir at the weekend, really interested in playing with one
[13:00] <eroomde> daveake, does the pi cam do raw to the pi and then the pi does the encoding?
[13:00] <daveake> yes
[13:01] <daveake> the PI GPU does all that
[13:01] <daveake> The CPU basically just issues a few commands
[13:01] <eroomde> good
[13:01] <Hix> is raspbian the way to go with the pi?
[13:01] <Hix> or another distro?
[13:01] <eroomde> i used one recently that encoding each frame into jpeg
[13:01] <eroomde> then sent the jpegs to the hos
[13:02] <eroomde> then the host did h.264
[13:02] <eroomde> which is completely retarded
[13:02] <daveake> mad
[13:02] <jedas> i think pi is capable of h24 encode
[13:02] <jedas> *h264
[13:02] <daveake> The Pi can (physically, not sure the s/w has been written yet) spew out jpgs too during video
[13:03] <Hix> "raspivid -o video.h264" eroomde
[13:03] <daveake> My "chase car pi" does video to batc, GPS rx, chase car upload, and has an LCD showing balloon info. Whole lot comes to about 10% CPU
[13:03] <eroomde> it's a retarded way of compressive video as it takes no advantage of the obvious amount of redundancy between one frame and the next
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[13:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> SP3OSJ: km, is that an odometer?
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[13:47] <chrisg7ogx> is xaben0 flying today please?
[13:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> chrisg7ogx: I read in the UKHAS List that Steve was going to try for a 1:00pm launch but Tx has been off since 1:24 Unsure if he's launching now.
[13:50] <gonzo_> the later mail suggested fri/sat. But it's appeared on the map in the launch area
[13:51] <gonzo_> if it's a comercial launch, he is at the mercy of disorganised producers
[13:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Tru
[13:54] <LazyLeopard> The other payload just updated...
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[13:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Looks like HABLAB is up
[13:58] <chrisg7ogx> steve g0tdj thanks
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[14:00] <LazyLeopard> Balloon up
[14:01] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL_M0LEP
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[14:02] <chrisg7ogx> freq?
[14:02] <LazyL_M0LEP> Not heard yet,,,
[14:02] <LazyL_M0LEP> .250 and .650 were mentioned...
[14:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> one on 434.250MHz with a backup on 434.650MHz
[14:04] <LazyL_M0LEP> 434.247 is one
[14:04] <chrisg7ogx> thanks all
[14:04] <LazyL_M0LEP> Shift about 680
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[14:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> LazyL_M0LEP: Needs to get up a ways before I'll hear it over my local terrain but thanks for the spot
[14:06] <LazyL_M0LEP> Elevation 0.3 here... ;)
[14:06] <mfa298> hmm, I dont think local wx is conductive to having the window open with an antenna stuck out. I wonder if I can make a sleve dipole in time and how well that will work
[14:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Make a J-Pole in a tube. 3dB gain
[14:08] <mfa298> I'm somewhat limited with mounting options - pretty much what I can stick out an open window.
[14:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Telemetry from XABEN0 Well done LazyL_M0LEP and G6GZH
[14:08] <chrisg7ogx> 434.246.300
[14:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thank you Chris
[14:09] <mfa298> My standard approach is a 1/4 GP on a piece of dowel. But that requires an open window which might mean things get a bit damp.
[14:09] <LazyL_M0LEP> So HABLAB's somewhere near 434.650
[14:09] <chrisg7ogx> shift 670Hz
[14:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Aparrently
[14:10] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah, I'd have got it a line of two earlier if I'd not had to adjust the shift so much. ;)
[14:10] <eroomde> i certainly hope the local wx isn't conductive
[14:10] <eroomde> otherwise the antennas won't work
[14:11] <LazyL_M0LEP> Would be worrying... ;)
[14:11] <mfa298> its slightly more conductive than dry air.
[14:11] <laudenclear> Hi guys, newbie question: I'm planning my first not-so-high flight, and i was wondering what would be the best way to limit the ground distance of the flight. Should I use fully pressured party balloons, and hope they'd pop???
[14:11] <chrisg7ogx> nothing seen 434.650 + -
[14:12] <chrisg7ogx> correction seen 434.650.5
[14:12] <eroomde> laudenclear, how high exactly?
[14:12] <eroomde> give me a number
[14:13] <laudenclear> It's more a question of distance. I want to limit it to 50km or so. I guess a 500-1000 meters high, but I'm not sure
[14:13] <eroomde> no indeed.
[14:13] <eroomde> so as you realise that'll depend on the wind
[14:14] <laudenclear> yeah, i got that :-) I'm just worried about air time.
[14:14] <eroomde> so an important input into your flight decision will be the flight prediction
[14:14] <eroomde> oh
[14:14] <chrisg7ogx> shift at freq 650 is 477 Hz
[14:14] <eroomde> you just said you were worried about height
[14:14] <eroomde> then distance
[14:14] <eroomde> and now air time
[14:14] <eroomde> those are all different things
[14:15] <laudenclear> newbie indeed... in my attempt to limit distance, I figured out limiting the flight time could make it work...
[14:15] <eroomde> ok, here's what I'd do
[14:15] <laudenclear> but i have no experience other than reading the wiki
[14:15] <chrisg7ogx> HABLAB settings pse?
[14:16] <eroomde> as if you actually want to put a limit on distance, that's not easy unless you really wait for just the right wind prediction, which doesn't work with getting notmams
[14:16] <eroomde> i'd build a cutdown system
[14:16] <eroomde> and have the flight computer see how far it's moved over the ground from the launch point
[14:16] <DL1SGP> yeah the famous 1ohm resistor :)
[14:16] <eroomde> and when it gets, say, 35km away, fire the cutdown to bring it back down
[14:16] <eroomde> that way you can use any balloon you want and not have to wait for the right weather conditions (within reason)
[14:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Weak signal 434.247.71 centered on 1500kHz for HABLAB
[14:17] <eroomde> yeah, the 1-ohm resistor cutdown works
[14:17] <chrisg7ogx> .250 sigs much stronger here
[14:17] <eroomde> i favour pyrotechnic means of cutting down, but that's just me
[14:17] <LazyL_M0LEP> .247 is XABEN0 here...
[14:18] <laudenclear> oh, that sounds good. Maybe i'll aim for 350 meters first, and only than try the 35km...
[14:18] <eroomde> well, test it out in the car
[14:18] <eroomde> have your cutdown system connected to an LED
[14:18] <eroomde> drive down the road and see if the LED comes on when you've gone Nkm from home
[14:19] <laudenclear> nice! thanks a lot!
[14:19] <eroomde> 250m distance over the ground is a bit pointless to wate a balloon on
[14:19] <eroomde> 350m*
[14:19] <chrisg7ogx> agree xaben) auto config shift is wrong should be shift 700Hz
[14:19] <eroomde> i'm assuming m = meters rather than miles here :)
[14:20] <laudenclear> yes, in Israel we use metric.
[14:20] <eroomde> great
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[14:20] <eroomde> i'd encourage you to find create ways to test everything first before letting it go on a balloon
[14:20] <eroomde> creative*
[14:21] <laudenclear> listen, thanks a lot for your help. I'll go back to waiting for parts (radiometrix, gps, etc.) and I'll get back with more questions in couple of weeks :-)
[14:21] <eroomde> awesome, good luck
[14:22] <laudenclear> thanks
[14:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> Weak partials &HABN0514:205l52& 6640,-.8!189%6\88!D6C
[14:23] <G4AIU-Eugene> At last, green copy of XABEN0 on 434.248.3
[14:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> laudenclear: Do hang around and watch the chatter and maybe watch the HABs on SpaceNear. You will pick up a lot.
[14:23] <eroomde> yes, lurking is a very good way to learn
[14:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Almost: $$$XABEN0,54#,14:22:57,52.86633,-1.79723,7093*E922
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[14:24] <laudenclear> I will!
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[14:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Green!
[14:25] <eroomde> supagreen
[14:26] <mfa298> and tracking other balloons is a great way of learning how the receiving side works (which is important for a successful recovery)
[14:26] <eroomde> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/90s-Classic-Fifth-Element-Ruby-Rhod-Super-Green-custom-tee-Any-Size-Any-Color-/00/s/NjEyWDYzMA==/$%28KGrHqF,!mEE+7-iS4k3BQPGI+fp9g~~60_35.JPG
[14:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's how I learned
[14:26] <eroomde> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2288/1849252585_f528d439c3.jpg
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[14:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[14:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sig lost again (pesky hill...)
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[14:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> XABEN0 very slowly climbing in freq.
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[14:31] <chrisg7ogx> xaben0 quite good stability tho
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[14:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, I wonder what the Tx module is
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[14:32] <gonzo_> think steve uses ntx2's
[14:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's why it's pretty stable then
[14:33] <gonzo_> the drift looks about right. Woudl need to hear the tones to be sure. The ntx2 is usually a very clean keying. RFM's can sound a bit raspy
[14:34] <eroomde> they're not phase continuous
[14:34] <gonzo_> not at home at the mo, so can't listen
[14:34] <eroomde> i don't believe anyway
[14:34] <eroomde> and the ntx2 has a low pass filter on the input to the vco so the freuqnecy can never change too fast
[14:35] <eroomde> which should reduce spectral leakage a bit
[14:35] <eroomde> if you suffer from spectral leakage, call a doctor
[14:35] <gonzo_> would not have expected the effect to be that bad eroomde. I was suspecting a chirp as the synth tryied to relock as you change frew to key it
[14:36] <eroomde> yeah, that's what i mean by not being phase continuous - it'll just try and relock the synch every time you try and jump the freq
[14:36] <gonzo_> the ntx2 is designed for far higher rates that we use, so that lpf will be very high cut off compared to 50bd
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[14:36] <gonzo_> ok, we are talking the same difference here
[14:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> HABLAB / XABEN0, two playloads or?
[14:37] <Andrew_M6GTG> back from lunch what did I miss? Oh a balloon flight... ;-)
[14:37] <gonzo_> I assume the ntx2 just has a far slower pll loop
[14:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> HABLAB is drifting lots.
[14:37] <gonzo_> that';s the prob these days, blink and you miss them.
[14:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not actively tracking it, just looking at the signal on the W/F
[14:38] <LazyL_M0LEP> Reb-SM3ULC: Two payloads, one balloon.
[14:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Andrew_M6GTG: Are you going to track?
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[14:38] <Andrew_M6GTG> yes got HABLAB in the waterfall at the moment
[14:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Can you see the drift Andy?
[14:38] <gonzo_> don't watch, DECODE!
[14:39] Action: Reb-SM3ULC have an idea. As soon as a balloon is >1000m (or something) for the first time a script could send a message to hab-mailinglist or a launchlist or some other kind of message.. even twitter.. :)
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[14:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> gonzo_: I can only do one at a time
[14:39] <mfa298> tx on 434.650, just think of all those repeater QSO's than can no longer happen :p
[14:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> LazyL_M0LEP: ok!
[14:39] <Andrew_M6GTG> yes it is drifting
[14:40] <Andrew_M6GTG> widened the filters should help
[14:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> XABEN0 doing a little damce now...
[14:41] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: way ahead of you: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/XLssmWdUZOM was announced last week with updates to say planned launch today @1pm UTC
[14:43] <gonzo_> mfa298, yep, let's argue against AR allocations so we can forse HABS to use LPD allocations, that would help!
[14:43] <gonzo_> Andrew_M6GTG, I find that the default setting of 68hz on fldigi is a bit narrow for drifty signals
[14:44] <gonzo_> they drift faster than the AFC can keep up
[14:44] <LazyL_M0LEP> Has the RSGB forum gone flip crazy?
[14:44] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: yeah, that was a great announcement.. some (*cough* Lxx *cough*) don't always announce..
[14:44] <Andrew_M6GTG> gonzo_: yeah find about 100hz is better
[14:44] <gonzo_> apart from really weak sigs, I sue filters of about 120hz
[14:44] <gonzo_> snap
[14:45] <mfa298> LazyL_M0LEP: seems like the foundation one is a bit mad - although I think we're trying to come up with an answer without knowing what question we should be asking.
[14:46] <LazyL_M0LEP> That one's suffered from an excess of rabid extremists...
[14:46] <G8APZ> I've got my first decodes off Hablab on a folded dipole stuck out of the loft window!!
[14:46] <fsphil> nice!
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[14:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well done :D
[14:46] <gonzo_> grumpy old men
[14:47] <mfa298> a few rabid extremists and not enough foundation holders
[14:47] <gonzo_> always suprises me how far 10mw will go
[14:47] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oh, some of the foundationholders have been pretty rabid, too...
[14:47] <mfa298> although I think my requests for asking more useful questions are being ignored
[14:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, amazing. XABEN0 Sigs very good now. I've turned my rig volume down a bit
[14:48] <gonzo_> had all the same guff when they dropped morse and made all the second class citizens into full licence holders
[14:48] <G4AIU-Eugene> just copied HABLAB for a short while - the signal is not as stable as XABEN0.
[14:49] Action: mfa298 is proud to be a 2nd class citizen with his M1
[14:49] <Laurenceb> any latex gurus here?
[14:49] <G8APZ> I'm in Brentwood Essex... I need my beam back up on the tower! iffy decoding at the mo
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[14:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Coming your way G8APZ
[14:50] <mfa298> sometimes I wish I'd have done my license a year earlier so I could have been a G but then when you see a few of the G's on forums like that I wonder if being an M is a better thing.
[14:51] <fsphil> I prefer the M
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[14:51] <fsphil> plus my foundation callsign starts with MI6
[14:51] <G8APZ> G0TDJ yes.. thanks...
[14:53] <LazyL_M0LEP> To be honest, it's the "I'm an FL, not going to upgrade, you can't make me" who're worse. The grumpy old G*s are at least old...
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[14:54] <Andrew_M6GTG> interesting I've notice my NTX-2 has been wavering even sitting on my desk, any ideas? Regulated supply, using the resistor divider drive method
[14:54] <G4AIU-Eugene> Another question! - why is data info going into HABLAB ie. callsign, bearing, distance, but not into XABEN0 on dl-fldigi?
[14:54] <fsphil> almost always a power supply thing Andrew_M6GTG. is the regulator rated for the load?
[14:55] <fsphil> and does the regulator have capacitors on the input and output
[14:55] <LazyL_M0LEP> G4AIU-Eugene: Which payload have you got selected?
[14:55] <Andrew_M6GTG> fsphil: Just doing some development experiments on an Arudino Uno, nothing else connected except the NTX-2
[14:56] <mfa298> interestingly I think m3eav was on here a couple of months ago
[14:56] <fsphil> powering the ntx2 from the arduinos 5v?
[14:56] <Andrew_M6GTG> *arduino damn, can never spell it right, yes off the 5v
[14:56] <LazyL_M0LEP> G4AIU-Eugene: You'll get Bearing/Distance/Elevation for the one you have selected, but not the other unless it happens to have the same fields layout...
[14:57] <fsphil> is the arduino being powered from usb?
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[14:58] <Andrew_M6GTG> yes.. maybe that thinking about it ;-)
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[14:59] <G4AIU-Eugene> M0LEP - many thanks - I am now running XABEN0 , which was my first selection - and when I moved to HABLAB the data was in the fields
[14:59] <fsphil> likely that yea. try powering it of a battery to see if it goes away
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[15:05] <radim_OM2AMR_> STS-10 near Moscow - decoded
[15:06] <x-f> hoho, nice :)
[15:07] <x-f> congrats on a very successfull STS pico flight, Radim!
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[15:11] <PE2G> First XABEN0 greens at 526 km -0.5 deg elev.
[15:12] <Iain_G4SGX> nice & stable for a high one.
[15:12] <gonzo_> that's not bad. think the record is something like 540km??
[15:12] <fsphil> 800km at 50 baud
[15:12] <DL7AD> on which frequency does SP3OSJ transmit?
[15:13] <gonzo_> pft. OK< That must have been a high stn and balloon
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[15:13] <SP3OSJ> 437.700
[15:13] <fsphil> wasn't even that high gonzo_. just lucky atmospheric propagation
[15:13] <gonzo_> Ah, ok. Fluke then!
[15:13] <G8APZ> Anyone know why I'm not on the map although packets accepted for HABLAB?
[15:14] <fsphil> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records#radio_range_10mw_50_baud
[15:14] <DL1SGP> are you in HAB mode G8APZ?
[15:14] <G8APZ> Yes
[15:15] <DL1SGP> is it set to "online" ?
[15:15] <gonzo_> have you got the 'online' box checked in the dl-client
[15:15] <G8APZ> yes..online!
[15:15] <fsphil> you also need your callsign, coordinates and altitude filled in
[15:15] <gonzo_> sometimes it can take a few packets before you apear
[15:15] <G8APZ> yes.. op data all there...
[15:16] <Andrew_M6GTG> you are in France? If not check your coordinates
[15:17] <G8APZ> Co-ords updated when I got back to UK a month ago!
[15:18] <Andrew_M6GTG> showing you in France, last contact 0 hours ago
[15:18] <G8APZ> oops .. I see me there in IN95... thanks for the answer!!
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[15:19] <radim_OM2AMR_> What is SP3OSJ freq now ? Czech guys do not receive anything on 437.700
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[15:20] <PE2G> At -0.3 deg XABEN0 manages to drown out local pulsating QRM
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[15:23] <G8APZ> M6GTG Thanks Andrew... I updated stuff when I came back from IN95 as F1VJQ... forgot the coords! All OK now.
[15:24] <tweetBot> @nerdsville: XABEN-60B #hab flight in progress http://t.co/6b3iSk4pNk want to track? http://t.co/aJYhKEa9Gj IRC chat at http://t.co/KMUG8kUg76 #ukhas
[15:25] <Andrew_M6GTG> damn.. where that B come from?
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[15:25] <SP3OSJ> 437.701.200 Ping pong
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[15:26] <radim_OM2AMR_> ok, thanks, I'll forward this info
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[15:28] <SP3OSJ> Where to report records the distance: http://s22.postimg.org/q24fbx0ld/SP3_OSJ.jpg
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[15:33] <SP3OSJ> radim_OM2AMR_: Will pass through the mountains to hear a signal
[15:37] <Andrew_M6GTG> Still getting big HABLAB signal but no decodes
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[15:39] <Andrew_M6GTG> restarted SDR# now working..
[15:39] <G8APZ> m6gtg are you on USB on the rig?
[15:41] <Andrew_M6GTG> G8APZ: yes, was working then stopped now working again (doing this remotely controlling PC with VNC at home.. )
[15:42] <G8APZ> OK... It is 96km from me, and I'm surprised at the QSB given the height!
[15:43] <G8APZ> 90.6km sorry!
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[15:48] <chrisg7ogx> lots of rain
[15:50] <radim_OM2AMR_> looks like STS-10 frozen - last part of packet 57.47742,37.30940,5791,9,0,1.31,-26.5*F611
[15:51] <radim_OM2AMR_> -26.5 RFM temperature
[15:52] <G8APZ> Strange that I'm on the map and packets being sent but don't appear on map to be receiving....
[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> You've not clicked the offline button ?
[15:55] <G8APZ> no... thats online still
[15:57] <G8APZ> never mind... some packets are accepted and then my call appears but no green line to my icon!
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Your in the log "G0NZO,F4FWT,ASTRA_J,G8ZBJ,G8KNN,G8APZ,M6GTG,G0WXI,G6GZH,ASTRA,G6UIM"
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> thats for HABLAB
[15:58] <G8APZ> Still QSB - I'd have expected better sigs LoS!
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[15:59] <G8APZ> yes.. HABLAB - I looked for the other 3MHz up but nothing there when I checked last
[15:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> HABLAB quite weak here too. Nowhere near as strong as XABEN0
[16:00] <G8APZ> G0TDJ Remarkable range in S/N it's +25dBN down to less than 10 at times
[16:01] <PE2G> XABEN0 has probably the strongest signal ever received here
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[16:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Almost at 30k
[16:07] <gonzo_> tweaked the yagi, hablab is crashing in now!
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[16:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> XABEN0 signal egtting a little flaky
[16:09] <wd8mnv> 2 payloads on one balloon?
[16:09] <DL1SGP> I need to move a few hundred kilometres closer to the UK :D
[16:09] <LazyL_M0LEP> It has its moments...
[16:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes wd8mnv
[16:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Signal back up now. must have passed behind an obstruction in my LOS
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[16:11] <G8APZ> 82km away still QSB but good at times... my packets getting sent but still no green line to my icon.
[16:12] <PB0NER> can't find freq for xaben :(
[16:12] <chrisstubbs> 464.248
[16:12] <UpuWork> 434.248
[16:12] <chrisstubbs> 434.248
[16:12] <chrisstubbs> lol
[16:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Chris :-)
[16:12] <chrisstubbs> Afternoon
[16:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good to 'see' you
[16:12] <UpuWork> take an average of those frequencies you should be ok
[16:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[16:13] <chrisstubbs> Hah yeah, not often there are still habs flying after work :)
[16:13] <PB0NER> crap that one is LOUD
[16:14] <G8APZ> Xaben better sig than HABLAB - by 15dB!
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[16:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, big difference
[16:15] <DL1SGP> G8APZ: I do not see you on the log... when you have received a package and it gives you a green decode, could you please take a look at the bottom status line to see if there are any errors?
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[16:17] <G8APZ> Uploaded payload telemetry successfully.... it says!!
[16:17] <G8APZ> I switched to XABEN now
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[16:18] <G4AIU-Eugene> G8APZ - this happened to me - I clicked RTTY, custom and changed "filter bandwidth" to 700 - it might work for you also!
[16:18] <chrisstubbs> G8APZ, go to DL Client --> Configure, select the Location tab mand make sure thats all filled out correctly
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[16:19] <chrisstubbs> Also select the opertor tab and check your callsign is in there (I think there is a 10 char limit now too)
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> *operator
[16:19] <PB0NER> chrisstubbs: UpuWork thanks
[16:20] <DL1SGP> I see you on the log now G8APZ
[16:21] <G8APZ> christubbs ...it isall thre...
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[16:21] <G8APZ> DL1SGP OK thanks...
[16:22] <Andrew_M6GTG> G8APZ: You appear in the telemetry stats, http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[16:23] <G8APZ> It may have been intermittent packets with HABLAB.... XABEN loading every one.
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[16:26] <db_g6gzh> Lots of receivers for a weekday.
[16:27] <G8APZ> +42dB/n not bad with just a crappy dipole!!! 73km range
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[16:30] <daveake> Ascent rate very low now ... is this an intended floater?
[16:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> He said in the post on the list that it wasn't meant to be.
[16:31] <daveake> oh
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[16:31] <chrisstubbs> it is kinda levelling off
[16:31] <daveake> normally if the ascent slows that much, it's about to pop
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[16:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can't believe how inconsistent the signal is
[16:32] <SP3OSJ> SP3OSJ in the Czech Republic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1oe1Fnz8eA
[16:33] <chrisstubbs> hablab or xaben steve?
[16:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> XABEN0 chrisstubbs
[16:34] <chrisstubbs> Its been pretty strong and solid here, it must be a bad angle for your spot
[16:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's really strong just now but fades periodically so I loose decodes
[16:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> Must be
[16:34] <chrisstubbs> Sounds like you need a taller mast on your christmas list ;)
[16:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
[16:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> Level
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[16:35] <G8APZ> +40dB/n here and seems consistent
[16:35] <LazyL_M0LEP> Burst
[16:35] <daveake> ah pop
[16:36] <G8APZ> sudden shift and a crack!!
[16:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> There it goes
[16:36] <fsphil> gravity wins again
[16:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> 33.2kM Pretty good
[16:36] <chrisstubbs> I thought that crack was QRM at first, do you normally get that on a burst or just shift?
[16:37] <fsphil> normally it just fades or shifts
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[16:37] <daveake> descent rate remarkable stable
[16:38] <daveake> y
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[16:38] <fsphil> floaty
[16:38] <fsphil> or is my map lagging
[16:38] <DL1SGP1> it's going down by -47.3m/s
[16:38] <fsphil> ah -42.7m/s
[16:38] <daveake> lagging
[16:38] <fsphil> my map is well behind
[16:39] <daveake> yeah it was 55 or so earlier
[16:39] <G8APZ> anyone chasing this?
[16:39] <PE2G> -40 m/s at 23 km seems a bit fast to me
[16:39] <LazyL_M0LEP> Expect so. ;)
[16:39] <G8APZ> or will it be a dawn search? :-)
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[16:42] <WillTablet> Boards arrived
[16:42] <wd8mnv> yay!!
[16:42] <chrisstubbs> Awesome
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[16:43] <WillTablet> They look awesome
[16:43] <WillTablet> Worried about the ublox
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[16:44] <chrisstubbs> was this your breakout one with the header will?
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[16:46] <G8APZ> descent rate slowing now ONLY -15m/s!!
[16:46] <daveake> it's fine
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[16:47] <daveake> tad fast not massively fast
[16:48] <WillTablet> chrisstubbs indeed
[16:48] <WillTablet> Woooooooooohooooooooooo
[16:48] <PE2G> Yeah, you'd like to see -12 m/s at 12 km
[16:48] <WillTablet> Slight over reaction.
[16:49] <chrisg7ogx> that circle in the field mjust south looks interesting..
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[16:49] <fsphil> more aliens?
[16:49] <chrisg7ogx> uh huh
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[16:50] <fsphil> that is odd
[16:50] <chrisg7ogx> lost them on my beam propped against wall!
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[16:51] <chrisg7ogx> wires in circles around small building
[16:51] <fsphil> Baldock Radio Station
[16:51] <fsphil> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/enforcement/spectrum-enforcement/baldock/
[16:51] <db_g6gzh> yes, Ofcom monitoring 8-)
[16:51] <chrisg7ogx> all connected to other building to the left...with.....a car park!!
[16:51] <fsphil> hope steve was careful with his milliwatts :)
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[16:53] <chrisg7ogx> LOL too late now..we'll visit him
[16:53] <db_g6gzh> A friend of mine works there.
[16:54] <db_g6gzh> Well, based there.
[16:54] <chrisg7ogx> SSsssh!
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[16:55] <chrisg7ogx> probably all gone home as a cost cutting measure
[16:56] <fsphil> or stuck there, as nobody would be able to open their cars
[16:56] <chrisg7ogx> like it like it
[16:56] <G8APZ> nice one Phil!!
[16:56] <chrisg7ogx> you play that game in Tescos as well do you?
[16:57] <chrisstubbs> If a HAB landed near someones car and they could not lock it, then the car got stolen, I wonder who would be liable..
[16:57] <chrisstubbs> Hopefully them for not checking their car was locked
[16:57] <fsphil> as long as the payload was OK by the ofcom rules, then it's all good
[16:57] <chrisg7ogx> drastic drop in signal strength here now
[16:57] <G8APZ> EU for allocating keys in a ham band!!
[16:58] <fsphil> the 70cm/ISM overlap has been good for HAM :)
[16:58] <gonzo_> it;s licence exempt. So it's their fault for buying a car with that freq for a fob
[16:58] <fsphil> HAB even
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[16:59] <gonzo_> the repeater/ism overlap was a bit silly though
[16:59] <fsphil> yes definitly
[16:59] <db_g6gzh> that's somewhat historical though
[17:00] <db_g6gzh> newer repeaters aren't in that bit of the band
[17:00] <G8APZ> I'm now outside the green ring... still got +24dB/n
[17:01] <G8APZ> Aargh... starting to degrade on last two packets
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[17:03] <gonzo_> there was a story years ago, when the move from 418MHz was starting. An AR repeater on an IBA site. They had some conference for all the mgrs there and used it as a convenient time to swap out the co car fleet. So they trailered all the old cars off and unloaded the new ones in the car park, locked them and left it at that. After the conf they all came out to get their new cars, but the AR repeater on the roof was now txing as it was ru
[17:03] <gonzo_> sh hr......
[17:03] <gonzo_> long waffly story
[17:03] <chrisg7ogx> lost sigs here last partial #1176
[17:03] <G8APZ> 1186 rx OK here
[17:04] <G8APZ> 1187
[17:04] <G8APZ> 1188
[17:04] <G8APZ> can't be long before I lose it too
[17:07] <LazyL_M0LEP> Lost here...
[17:07] <chrisstubbs> Almost got it down to 500m
[17:07] <G8APZ> I just lost it too...
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[17:09] <jedas> do you usually get them back ?
[17:09] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... looks rather like an old airfield, there...
[17:09] <gonzo_> are my eyes playing tricks?? A powerline free area for steve to land in??
[17:10] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[17:10] <G8APZ> got a partial on 1196
[17:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good area to land
[17:11] <LazyL_M0LEP> Looks like a dish in the field nearby though.
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[17:17] <daveake> HABs are attracted to dishes ... http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/P1070994-682x1024.jpg
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[17:19] <SP3OSJ> biutyfull antenna
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[17:23] <LazyLeopard> daveake :)
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[17:24] <LazyLeopard> This one's not so close. I remember wondering whether that one was going to land in the dish...
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[17:25] <dl7ad-mobile> Hu
[17:25] <dl7ad-mobile> Hi
[17:25] <daveake> It was headed straight for the dish, then hovered, then did a 90-degree turn
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[17:26] <LazyLeopard> Last second evasive turn!
[17:27] <daveake> Tractor Beam
[17:27] <LazyLeopard> Heh ;)
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[17:28] <UT3BW> http://www.hobitus.com/noaa/composite/hvct-precip/
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[17:29] <G8APZ> anyone know if the recovery crew is out and about?
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[17:47] <G8APZ> Off here for a while but still logged in
[17:51] <SP3OSJ> What you need to do. I want to sign on the spaceneas.us: SP3OSJ 437.700 RTTY. STS-10 is OK, SP3OSJ no OK. Someone help?
[17:53] <DL1SGP1> I think Upu is the master of the info box :)
[17:53] <DL1SGP1> but I am not sure who has access
[17:53] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
[17:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> You could try asking in #habhub to see if there's anyone else about.
[17:54] <adamgreig> hi
[17:54] <DL1SGP> hi adamgreig
[17:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> Or maybe Adam can help...
[17:55] <adamgreig> think i have updated it DL1SGP
[17:55] <adamgreig> but it takes a minute to update on the page
[17:55] <adamgreig> check in a couple mins
[17:55] <DL1SGP> SP3OSJ: please read adamgreig's statement :)
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[17:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> A refresh gets the update
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[17:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Updated SP3OSJ
[17:57] <SP3OSJ> OK thanks
[17:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> BBL
[17:59] <SP3OSJ> please delete "STS-10 is OK, SP3OSJ no OK"
[17:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> adamgreig: ---> <SP3OSJ> please delete "STS-10 is OK, SP3OSJ no OK"
[18:01] <adamgreig> done
[18:04] <eroomde> fruits i want to eat:
[18:04] <eroomde> The Matrix Inversion Lemon
[18:04] <adamgreig> A List By Ed Moore
[18:04] <adamgreig> aww
[18:05] <adamgreig> what do you imagine it would taste like
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[18:05] <eroomde> hard to be determinant
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[18:05] <jonsowman> hah
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[18:06] <adamgreig> had to check my slang to see if I could work 'square' and 'lemon' together but no, too slow.
[18:06] <eroomde> bet it'd rank pretty highly though on the spectrum of fruits
[18:07] <adamgreig> they decompose pretty well
[18:07] <eroomde> yeah don't go mad adamgreig, we don;t want to start a pun war eigen
[18:08] <adamgreig> that would be bitter
[18:08] <adamgreig> hmm. helping some scouts get their astronautics badge
[18:09] <adamgreig> "build, launch, and recover a single or double-staged model rocket"
[18:09] <adamgreig> they're not messing!
[18:09] <adamgreig> I think getting it by the rocketry route is way more effort than any of the other routes
[18:14] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[18:17] <Maxell> Do Qualatex balloons deteriorate in quality if they are "very" old?
[18:17] <Maxell> PA3WEG has a few of them laying around but is not sure of they are suited for floating
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[18:27] <DL1SGP> Nabend Sven und mclane
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[18:33] <DL7AD> moin moin
[18:35] <Maxell> moo?
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[18:35] <x-f> mclane is about in range for SP3OSJ
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[18:37] <x-f> interesting how STS-10 flew the opposite direction just a day before
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[18:38] <ra3el> rsvd
[18:39] <mclane> I have just set up my equipment
[18:39] <mclane> does someone have the actual frequency?
[18:41] <DL1SGP> 437.700
[18:41] <DL1SGP> ish
[18:42] <mclane> ah, got it!
[18:42] <x-f> :)
[18:43] <mclane> no decode yet
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[18:45] <DL1SGP> good evening Tom
[18:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening :-)
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[18:50] <mclane> I can hear it but no decode
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[18:52] <SP3OSJ> This flight tracker now: http://s24.postimg.org/n967ihlx1/image.jpg
[18:52] <arko> nice!
[18:53] <arko> plenty of solar :)
[18:53] <DL7AD> how many balloons do you have this time SP3OSJ?
[18:54] <SP3OSJ> qualatex 36" silver
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[19:00] <mclane> ah, first green decode!
[19:01] <DL1SGP> yay mclane
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[19:03] <Willdude123> Hi
[19:03] <mclane> welcome to Germany, SP3OSJ!
[19:03] <DL1SGP> hi Willdude123
[19:04] <Willdude123> Got my boards, can't solder yet- no flux
[19:04] <eroomde> you need solder, not flux
[19:04] <Willdude123> I need to flux the joints first, surely?
[19:05] <eroomde> no
[19:05] <mfa298> solder generally contains flux in it.
[19:05] <eroomde> ^
[19:07] <SP3OSJ> tomotow Algeia, Libia, Egipt (Sham el Sheik!!!!)
[19:07] <Willdude123> Not sure if my grandad's does or not. We've always used flux before so IDK
[19:08] <tweetBot> @M0TFC: HAB payload protection. Expanding builders foam.Small, Light, Strong, water and uv resistant. #hamr #ukhas http://t.co/7a2UGMPSJQ
[19:08] <DL1SGP> so called raisin core solder... if you flux up when your solder has flux already things are potentially fluxing up badly... in terms of solder shooting around in your room instead of staying on the board
[19:08] <DL1SGP> I would suggest you do a tiny test first to see performance without flux
[19:11] <mfa298> flux maybe of help if you're having to remove a component. But removing larger components with a soldering iron can be tricky with flux or no flux if you're using an iron.
[19:11] <Willdude123> I don't have access to the solder atm, my granddad is out.
[19:12] <DL1SGP> ah
[19:12] <mfa298> the trick is having a decent soldering iron, good light, space to work and to have had some decent practice first.
[19:13] <bertrik> and not too much coffee! :D
[19:13] <DL1SGP> and a fume extractor
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[19:23] <mclane> need to get a beer, it might become a longer evening...
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[19:26] <tweetBot> @M0TFC: High Altitude Balloon payload with collapsible crossed dipole and tether fitted.Foam #notjustforbuilders #ukhas #hamr http://t.co/5xN7nY3gVD
[19:30] <Willdude123> mfa298, I've got a reasonable amount of practice.
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[19:36] <mfa298> Excellent Quit message from daveake :D
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[19:43] <mclane> DL7AD: do you know someone in Munich or further south who could track?
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[19:46] <DL7AD> no but in turin
[19:46] <DL7AD> http://radio.it/PROJECTS/spectra/Albugnano/index.html
[19:46] <DL7AD> http://radio.it/PROJECTS/spectra/Pino/index.html
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[19:53] <DL1SGP> I will contact my italian contact as well :)
[19:55] <tweetBot> @M0TFC: Just waiting for Solar panels, then we can run our first, long term telemetry tests with a tethered balloon. #needs_a_name ! #hamr #ukhas
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[19:58] <mclane> now, SP3OSJ is entering the approach zone of Munich airport
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[20:01] <SP3OSJ> mclane: Munich airport it is closed
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[20:02] <arko> snow?
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[20:04] <x-f> looks like F6HTJ in the South France already awaits it
[20:04] <DL7AD> arko: balloons
[20:04] <DL7AD> x-f: yes i wrote to him
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[20:04] <x-f> ah, great
[20:04] <x-f> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/158153_trj001.gif
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[20:06] <mfa298> Woohoo: I've managed to get something that appears to mostly decode as DominoEX from the Pi using PWM :D
[20:06] <mfa298> now it needs to send more than "Aaa" repeated 20 times
[20:07] <mclane> mfa298: how do you do it?
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[20:08] <mfa298> controlling the PWM on the Pi
[20:08] <mclane> what tx?
[20:08] <mfa298> NTX2B
[20:08] <mclane> and then pwm + low pass filter?
[20:09] <mfa298> it's currently just relying on the LPF in the NTX2B
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[20:09] <mfa298> just from GPIO18 through a 10K resistor to the NTX2B
[20:10] <mclane> cool - would you share the code?
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[20:10] <mfa298> it's in my github as tests/dom16_2.c
[20:10] <mfa298> I'm not sure it's particularly good code but seems to work
[20:11] <mclane> I am just looking for some inspiration ;-)
[20:11] <mfa298> Now I just need to get it into my main payload code.
[20:12] <mfa298> and add the rest of the alphabet.
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[20:12] <bertrik> mfa298: fsphil should have some efficient code for the varicode
[20:13] <mclane> mfa298: what is your github user name?
[20:13] <mfa298> this is on the Pi so might not need to be quite as efficient, although from what I remember of what he was doing is sounded reasonable
[20:14] <mfa298> mclane: here's the repositry it's in https://github.com/m1ari/Sandals
[20:14] <mclane> cool, thanks
[20:14] <mfa298> I was assuming you might have bookmarked it from the other evening
[20:14] Action: mfa298 really shouldn't make assumptions
[20:15] <x-f> Steve_G0TDJ, wake up, B-27 is airborne, you seem to be missing these balloons :)
[20:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers x-f I appreciate your 'ping' :D
[20:16] <x-f> :)
[20:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> .500 or .650?
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[20:19] <x-f> .500, the Leo frequency
[20:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL *** RESERVED ***
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[20:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not getting anything yet. Needs to be up a bit
[20:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just finishing up my dinner. I'll keep tabs on the waterfall from my seat
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[20:24] <ibanezmatt13> http://pasteboard.co/1bXDIwNy.png Please tell me that both the "potential" at the point B is -60v, and D is too. And that the "potential" at the point G is 100v :/
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[20:24] <ibanezmatt13> Sorry, potential at B and D is 60v, right? :/
[20:26] <daveake> B and D are grounded
[20:26] <daveake> which may help answer that question
[20:27] <ibanezmatt13> I have to find the potential "relative to earth" at those points
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[20:27] <daveake> zero
[20:27] <daveake> they are grounded
[20:28] <ibanezmatt13> christ, I've been doing this for 8 hours today and I still can't grasp it
[20:28] <ibanezmatt13> My poor secondary education is starting to show
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[20:29] <daveake> B and D are wired together, so they're at the same potential, and as you can see that connection is grounded so it's at zero volts relative to ground
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[20:29] <ibanezmatt13> right, ok
[20:29] <ibanezmatt13> that makes sense
[20:30] <ibanezmatt13> so how about the potential at A "relative to earth" ?
[20:30] <ibanezmatt13> -60v?
[20:30] <daveake> A C and E are connected together and to that top battery, so those are at -60V
[20:30] <daveake> G is at +40V
[20:30] <db_g6gzh> I just get "Image not found" 8-(
[20:30] <ibanezmatt13> daveake: all of these are relative to ground yes?
[20:30] <daveake> yes
[20:30] <ibanezmatt13> ok, last Q, why -6v and not 6v? That's been confusing me a lot
[20:31] <daveake> -60
[20:31] <ibanezmatt13> sorry
[20:31] <ibanezmatt13> -60 and not 60
[20:31] <daveake> Because battery symbol
[20:31] <daveake> longer line is +
[20:31] <ibanezmatt13> right, pretty obvious I guess
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[20:31] <daveake> yup
[20:31] <ibanezmatt13> I'll crack on with it, thanks
[20:31] <daveake> ok
[20:32] <daveake> All this assumes perfect batteries, which of course don't exist, but that's what they will (or should) have said
[20:32] <ibanezmatt13> I've discovered today that I actually know pretty much nothing about electricity at all. I've been confusing potential and potential difference since I was first "taught."
[20:33] <ibanezmatt13> Hence the reason I'm getting all my A level work, wrong
[20:33] <daveake> So did my physics teacher ....
[20:33] <daveake> ... when he connected a scope across a resistor and wondered why the circuit no longer worked
[20:33] <db_g6gzh> it's all relative
[20:33] <daveake> He'd grounded one side of the resistor
[20:34] <ibanezmatt13> I can't even see why that would make a difference. :/ I'm totally screwed
[20:35] <daveake> Because real batteries drop voltage under load (you can think of them as being a perfect battery in series with a low value resistor)
[20:35] <db_g6gzh> we used to have scopes with no earth connection (and appropriate warning label) for that kind of thing
[20:36] <daveake> Keep at it ibanezmatt13. It'll be obvious and natural once it clicks
[20:36] <ibanezmatt13> It just frustrates me how I always overcomplicate things, and it always clicks into place far too late than it should
[20:37] <ibanezmatt13> I spend so much time trying to understand it, and it just doesn't click.
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[20:37] <ibanezmatt13> I'm pretty sure my previous teacher thought gravity acted in an upwards direction
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[20:39] <ibanezmatt13> In fact, my Dad lost his temper with her at parents evening and called her an old bag who wasn't fit to teach. And later added, "she was definitely on marijuana." She was responsible for teaching me the first principles of voltage and electricity :P
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[20:43] <db_g6gzh> Evening Leo, what's new this time ?
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[20:46] <ibanezmatt13> daveake: in that diagram, F is also at 0v, yes?
[20:47] <daveake> It's connected directly to GND; it has no choice
[20:48] <ibanezmatt13> ok cool
[20:48] <ibanezmatt13> So, A C and E are all at -60v, and G is at 40v. Awesome
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[20:49] <F5VKV> GE everyone. just a question. STS10 is on 437700 or 437651?
[20:49] <Upu> 437700 officially not sure if its drifted
[20:51] <F5VKV> tnx, monitoring 700
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[20:54] <F5VKV> sry, there is a baloon over Munich right now. on the map is written 437651 rtty and sp3osj 437700
[20:54] <F5VKV> trying to understand
[20:54] <SP3OSJ> F5VKV remember signal is ping-pong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTZFIKm96Ao
[20:54] <mclane> it is around 437.700 MHz
[20:55] <SP3OSJ> yes +- termic drift
[20:56] <F5VKV> ok. on dl-fldigi I have selected flight STS-10 PICO: STS-10
[20:56] <F5VKV> I will qrv
[20:56] <F5VKV> tnx
[20:59] <SP3OSJ> F5VKV: this flight: http://s24.postimg.org/n967ihlx1/image.jpg
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[21:04] <chrisstubbs> Wow I got a B-27 decode with the red lines randomly plonked half accross the signal
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[21:08] <mclane> SP3OSJ will fly over the highes german mountain ;-)
[21:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> chrisstubbs: What's your dial for B-27 please?
[21:09] <chrisstubbs> 434.500
[21:09] <chrisstubbs> red lines centered about 1800hz
[21:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Blimey, OK Nothing here. Must be too low
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[21:10] <chrisstubbs> its hard to spot when its not txing
[21:10] <chrisstubbs> will ping you next time
[21:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Cheers
[21:11] <db_g6gzh> now
[21:11] <chrisstubbs> ping Steve_G0TDJ
[21:11] <chrisstubbs> yep
[21:11] <SP3OSJ> mclane: Castle Neuschwanstein
[21:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, got it bu it's a little weak for me - Thanks guys
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[21:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can see the pip now
[21:12] <chrisstubbs> must order a new laptop charger for tracking, i dont have enough screens for this! managed to leave the old one in london somewhere after UKHAs 2013
[21:12] <DL1SGP2> pip? that sounds like a B in the air :D
[21:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
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[21:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Close: $$B-27,60,211347,131111,52.1607,-o3032,34,niBnr
[21:15] <db_g6gzh> After XABEN I thought "shall I switch off the radio gear and close dl-fldigi" but I thought I'd leave it on IcoL (In case of Leo)
[21:15] <DL7AD> http://radio.it/PROJECTS/spectra/Albugnano/index.html
[21:15] <DL7AD> http://radio.it/PROJECTS/spectra/Pino/index.html
[21:15] <DL7AD> sdr's in turin for receiving DP3OSJ
[21:16] <DL7AD> SP3OSJ
[21:16] <SP3OSJ> yes
[21:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Still in the noise: ^$B-271,211526,a1111tX.16ntwe0rVeWiateai5tn]Un
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[21:17] <DL1SGP2> no decode here :D
[21:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> You might be luckier in a few hours Felix
[21:18] <mclane> signal no more decodable
[21:19] <DL1SGP2> I will be sleeping in a few hours :)
[21:19] <mclane> for me
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[21:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ah yes, sorry.
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> Evening S_Mark
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[21:21] <DL1SGP2> don't be sorry steve :) I might put on some alarm to give it a go... however if that board is flying aprs again it would not really matter :)
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[21:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK. Looks like it'll get away from me before any decodes
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[21:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> HOwever! Green :D
[21:23] Nick change: Boggle_mint -> G8KNN-1
[21:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> $$B-27,66,212220,131111,52.1827,-0.1509,6965,7,-16,1.43*1b1a
[21:23] <DL1SGP> congrats Steve
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[21:23] <G8APZ> I should be hearing B27... anyone have an exact dial freq?
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[21:24] <mclane> cant hear SP3OSJ any more - was a nice experience!
[21:24] <mclane> Hopefully someone else will pick it up later
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[21:24] <G8KNN-1> No sign of B-27 floating yet.
[21:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> 434.500.17 for 1400 center
[21:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> Missed the last ones Felix - I'll leave it running though.
[21:26] <Maxell> who is whisteliing on 434.5 mhz?
[21:26] <Maxell> I hear you
[21:26] <G8APZ> OK Steve. I should hear it at 7,000m but no
[21:26] <G8KNN-1> Ascent rate still quite high. This could be an interesting flight
[21:26] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]1!!!
[21:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> G8APZ: I always have trouble to the north cos of local terrain. It's probably skimming my horizon
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[21:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> that was herman
[21:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> to test someones RX while the balloon was silent
[21:27] <Maxell> lol
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[21:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> GE all
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[21:28] <Maxell> my VFO might be a bit high
[21:28] <DL1SGP> geodenavond Herman
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[21:29] <G8APZ> G0TDJ hearing it warbling in the noise now... would have expected better sig at that height!!
[21:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> dl1sgp goeden avond
[21:29] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: Evening
[21:29] <DL1SGP> sorry for the typo Herman-PB0AHX you can keep it if ypu like :)
[21:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Andy :D
[21:29] <DL1SGP> *you darn
[21:29] <DL1SGP> time to switch light on
[21:29] <Maxell> It's quite silent
[21:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> no problem hihihihi\
[21:29] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: try TXing once again :P
[21:29] <DL1SGP> there, a hooray for mr Edison
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[21:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok
[21:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Blimey G8APZ It should be baninging your windows in
[21:30] <Maxell> haha
[21:30] <Maxell> wow
[21:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> was voor wouter en de rest hier
[21:30] <Maxell> USB was unaudioable
[21:30] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> haha
[21:30] <Maxell> like, mid VFO here
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[21:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok
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[21:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> grgr 2x red
[21:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Back to partials here: 2007,-0.o024,7839,5,-22,1.4*e7f0qo$a
[21:31] <G8APZ> G0TDJ That's what I thought based on +40dB/m on the XABEN0 flight
[21:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maybe it's got less output - Hey LeoBodnar, have you reduced your RF Out :-)
[21:32] <Andrew_M6GTG> decisions decisions, track B-27 or tinker with my payload ;-)
[21:32] <Andrew_M6GTG> no smutty jokes please
[21:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Is that a euphormism ;-)
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[21:32] <Andrew_M6GTG> Tells Dirty Jokes indeed
[21:33] <DL1SGP> listens up
[21:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> :D#
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[21:34] <Maxell> 2i.t863,842ni rt- Yt.4Gqt
[21:34] <Maxell> meh
[21:34] <Maxell> partial
[21:34] <Maxell> or lucky static
[21:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> $$B-27,74,213344,131111,52.2062,0.0863,8428,6,4,1.41*8feR Close
[21:34] <DL1SGP> that is B-27 telemetry encoded in Klingon Maxell
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:35] <DL1SGP> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander
[21:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi LL
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[21:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey LazyLeopard, I didn't realise you were a local :-)
[21:36] <Maxell> DL1SGP: for extra FEC?
[21:36] <DL1SGP> heh
[21:36] <G8APZ> Just got 2 packets where I see $$B-27,74,213344,131111,52.2062,0.863,88,6,-24,1.41*7a0 guess checksum fails!
[21:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> Happens to ne a lot G8APZ
[21:37] <arko> hah
[21:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey arko :D
[21:37] <arko> B-27 just flew over churchhill college
[21:37] <G8KNN> B-27 elevation is 81 degrees :)
[21:37] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: Herman-PB0AHX: how are you guys doing?
[21:37] <Maxell> qaZicnoL7 nC5w2ia1111i0.2091,oV1217,861X,-28t.Y9*eior 2$B-27,t13635,131inr; Wtar,0.aa07iaer,tnrrinnDnnaa a8tu
[21:37] <EA5DOM> GN all. Some EAs will be Rx for SP3OSJ if it reaches this area. Which polarization is better ? Vertical ?
[21:37] <arko> Steve_G0TDJ: yo!
[21:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> EA5DOM: Most HABs are vertical
[21:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> arko: How you doing?
[21:38] <arko> sorry i havent had a chance to check out the schematics
[21:38] <EA5DOM> Tnx Steve
[21:38] <arko> been crazy busy getting ready for midterms
[21:38] <arko> and i need to launch a hab for one of my labs
[21:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> No probs. I understand. Just when you have a spare min
[21:38] <arko> cool
[21:38] <G8APZ> I'm on a vertival folded dipole
[21:38] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: you already decoded?!
[21:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Really G8APZ Should be strong with you
[21:39] <LazyLeopard> Steve_G0TDJ: Not? Thought I'd brought that to your attention the day you went out to retrieve a payload of the A20...
[21:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> arko: I'm inestigating other options for the Tx.
[21:39] <G8APZ> G0TDJ yes, that's what I think... though I can't explain why it isn't!!
[21:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Perhaps you did LazyLeopard My memeory needs upgrading :-)
[21:39] <LazyLeopard> Obviously I didn't quite manage to... ;)
[21:39] <G8APZ> I'll have to put a horizontal 21 ele on the 60ft tower!!
[21:39] <SIbot> In real units: 60 ft = 18 m
[21:39] <arko> ah, like a cc series?
[21:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-) I won't forget this time.
[21:40] <db_g6gzh> G8APZ: it's not any where near as strong as XABEN was
[21:40] <Maxell> $B-27,7!,2r13crapcrap :(
[21:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> arko: Yes, and Atmel make a slighty less powerful one
[21:40] <arko> ahh
[21:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> LazyLeopard: I'll remember to invite you to my next launch
[21:40] <G8APZ> yes.. XABEN was +40db/n at similar range
[21:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> arko: I like the idea of an AVR because it's familiar
[21:41] <G8APZ> TDJ - there's no such thing as a free launch!!
[21:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL G8APZ :D
[21:41] <db_g6gzh> G8APZ: it may have a VHF antenna if also doing APRS in which case the UHF signal is likely to be reduced
[21:42] <G8APZ> G6GZH it was like that when an earlier one flew HF... wasn't strong at all even when it flew quite close to here
[21:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> HB-B-27 on APRS confirmed
[21:42] <arko> yeah, avr is nice
[21:42] <Maxell> Better, better! $$B-2B,79,214105,131111,52.2233,0.2391,9241,6,-2at\Uffffffffn*fc23
[21:43] <Maxell> APRS?
[21:43] <arko> avr studio isnt bad
[21:43] <craag> erm B-27 is going rather high.. and showing no sign of slowing!
[21:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> U noticed that Phil
[21:43] <Maxell> Aww yeah
[21:43] <db_g6gzh> Steve_G0TDJ: that's relayed from habitat, it will be M0XER-? if direct
[21:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> arko: I ordered a couple of samples from Atmel so I can see if they are good for the job. A little underpowered though 7dBm
[21:44] <LazyLeopard> Heh, I almost had your last one decoded on the ground. ;)
[21:44] <arko> nice
[21:44] <DL1SGP> db_g6gzh: APRS is not active above UK airspace, but yes callsign would be M0XER-ish
[21:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> db_g6gzh: Of course, he couldn't use APRS in the UK
[21:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> arko: I'll still be interested to know if I got it right - as a backup.
[21:45] <db_g6gzh> I should receive the APRS if it sends it once off-shore
[21:46] <DL1SGP> yes db_g6gzh
[21:46] <arko> yeah, that makes sense
[21:46] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: Wouter-[pa3weg]1: aww yeah green decodes :P
[21:46] <craag> has Leo broken the 10km barrier before?
[21:46] <arko> hopefully i can make some time to look it over by the end of the week
[21:47] <craag> looks like he stands a good chance right now..
[21:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool, thanks.
[21:47] <G8KNN> craag: B-1 managed over 10km
[21:48] <arko> though im starting to not trust myself even, i screwed up this power regulator layout :/
[21:48] <craag> G8KNN: Ah yes
[21:48] <arko> blah
[21:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll be out of B-27s green circle soon....
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[21:49] <G8KNN> This might be another netted latex like B-26
[21:49] <DL1SGP> yeah
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[21:49] <craag> G8KNN: Ah I didn't know he was doing those yet. ok!
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[21:50] <G8KNN> Good old Leo... forever innovating!
[21:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> He leads the way
[21:50] <craag> I'd be interested to know how he does it. I have the netting but haven't worked out how to make a sphere without too much weight!
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[21:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maybe he'll put a photo on his site Phil
[21:51] <craag> hopefully :)
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[21:52] <craag> Failing that I'll have to take up fishing :P
[21:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an idiot :D
[21:52] <daveake> he's pushing the envelope
[21:53] <G8APZ> Is B-27 drifting LF?
[21:53] <craag> casting the hobby out further ahead
[21:53] <mfa298> just have to hope his bubble doesn't burst
[21:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Netting all this attention
[21:53] <G8APZ> awaiting with baited breath
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[21:54] <db_g6gzh> craag: 2013-11-10.log:16:31 < PE2G> Here are some pics of the B-26 recovery: http://tinyurl.com/qaxv5yr
[21:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> What happened there, It was miles off freq
[21:55] <Andrew_M6GTG> Height? TCXO not working?
[21:55] <craag> db_g6gzh: Thanks. Time to go into chinese ic manufacturer mode..
[21:56] <db_g6gzh> 8-)
[21:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Low again
[21:57] <craag> -43C
[21:57] <G8APZ> drifting whilst on TX too
[21:57] <craag> ^^ might have something to do with it
[21:57] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> TCXO outside of spec
[21:57] <craag> mm
[21:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Very interesting
[21:57] <craag> -46 and dropping
[21:57] <Andrew_M6GTG> happened on one of the earlier flights I seem to remember
[21:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> There you go Phil, netting http://tinyurl.com/qaxv5yr
[21:58] <db_g6gzh> had to tune the radio to get it back in the pass band there !
[21:58] <craag> Steve_G0TDJ: Cheers, looking at it now. Appears to be a lot thinner than my stuff.
[21:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Wonder where he gets it. Stockings?
[21:59] <DL1SGP> Debenhams ?
[22:00] <DL1SGP> imagine going to the ladies section in a debenhams and asking for stockings for your balloons :P
[22:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> New dial: 434.499.38 for 1250 center
[22:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL @ Felix
[22:00] <arko> fcc should just give 434.5 to leo
[22:01] <G8APZ> DL1SGP or ask a young lady to do it for you! 15 denier
[22:02] <DL1SGP> at least such an activity would be a noble cause for using a gopro to get some footage :P
[22:02] <G8APZ> -48 that's cold... I'm surprised the battery is still giving volts!
[22:02] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: oh wow geez wonder why it was still showing gtreen
[22:02] <Maxell> it hasnt heard if ro 7 minutes now
[22:02] <db_g6gzh> jumped back up in freq
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[22:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> up? It was down for me
[22:03] <db_g6gzh> up AF wise
[22:03] <DL1SGP> Steve maybeyou got your rx from downunder
[22:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
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[22:04] Action: DL1SGP wonders how high that balloon will float... if at all
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[22:05] <G8APZ> I can't get AFC on ... any way to force it on in FLdigi?
[22:05] <db_g6gzh> not for DomEX
[22:05] <DL1SGP> DomEx has no AFC
[22:05] <Maxell> funky
[22:05] <Maxell> the first messafe failes
[22:06] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> 1x green, 1x red
[22:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Low partial but it can spell: $$B-2ea517,131111,52.2453,0.7548,123tatoo
[22:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh maybe not, I can't LOL
[22:06] <G8APZ> db_g6gzh OK I continue to do it manually!
[22:06] <Andrew_M6GTG> warms up as it tx?
[22:06] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> now I know what chasing is, but not with a car...
[22:06] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> VFO chase
[22:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> It can be slightly off and still decode
[22:06] <Maxell> the first message failed, TXCO warming up == decoded last packet
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[22:07] <Maxell> so much manual tuning
[22:07] <DL1SGP> Nabend DJ3AK
[22:07] <DJ3AK> hello 1SGP
[22:07] <DJ3AK> waiting to receive B-27 but it may still take a while
[22:08] <DL1SGP> same here :)
[22:08] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> nobody...
[22:08] <G8APZ> just got packets 97 and 98 OK
[22:08] <Maxell> if it even gets that far :x
[22:09] <DL1SGP> shhh Maxell :)
[22:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> well done G8APZ More than I did
[22:09] <Maxell> :P
[22:09] <G8APZ> Dial 434.497
[22:09] <db_g6gzh> G8APZ: well done, I didn't get tuned in time for those
[22:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep
[22:09] <Maxell> "Receivers: G8APZ, RevSpace" aww right
[22:09] <G8APZ> sig on 1500
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[22:09] <DJ3AK> oh, 12.500m and still climbing
[22:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> High planes drifter
[22:11] <G8APZ> Steve_G0TDJblock 99 OK block 100 not ... too much drift
[22:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yay! Got a green!
[22:11] <Upu> gone all drifty mc drift pants
[22:11] <Herman-PB0AHX> me to
[22:11] <Maxell> $$B-27,99,220947
[22:11] <Maxell> ,131111,52.2482,0.8547,12,60,6,-56,1.32*14b5
[22:11] <Maxell> hmm
[22:12] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> 2x green here
[22:12] <G8APZ> Steve_G0TDJ Paint the town red!
[22:12] <Maxell> dirftting so saft when it's Txing
[22:12] <Andrew_M6GTG> trying to track on a laggy vnc connection.. lol
[22:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, mad
[22:12] <Maxell> saft==fast
[22:12] <db_g6gzh> I was surprised to get 100 with that drift
[22:12] <Maxell> yeah over vnc here too
[22:12] <Maxell> but nnot laggy
[22:12] <Maxell> just derpy
[22:12] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I am also tracking on VNC
[22:12] <G8APZ> 434.497 and sig on 1100
[22:12] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> and no audio, only visual
[22:12] <jarod> talking on 434.5 ?
[22:13] <Maxell> jarod: yep
[22:13] <jarod> that good?
[22:13] <Maxell> but a bit lower
[22:13] <jarod> bad? :/
[22:13] <Maxell> jarod: 434.469 Mhz pips evey x secvonds
[22:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> 496
[22:13] <jarod> B-27?
[22:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> 2x red here
[22:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Missed that time
[22:14] <G8APZ> 101 loaded 102 not OK!
[22:14] <Maxell> kidding me? $$27,102,221350,131111,52.2547,0.9386,12945,6,-54,1.31*f5c3
[22:14] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> 2x green
[22:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Bah! $$B-27,1oa1,221238,131111,52.2533,0.912,129V7,5,-54,1.32*5bc5
[22:14] <jarod> 434.344 whats that?
[22:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Too low :=-)
[22:15] <Andrew_M6GTG> -54??
[22:15] <jarod> Maxell what freq to tune B27?
[22:15] <arko> float, floating at 12km?
[22:15] <Maxell> 23:13:41 < Maxell> jarod: 434.469 Mhz pips evey x secvonds
[22:15] <Maxell> uh
[22:15] <Maxell> fak
[22:15] <jarod> 469 or 496?
[22:15] <Maxell> 434.496
[22:15] <jarod> roger
[22:15] <Maxell> same
[22:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> 499.6
[22:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> jarod 434.496.56
[22:15] <Maxell> lol Herman-PB0AHX
[22:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> no lol only red lines
[22:15] <G8APZ> 496.5 agreed
[22:16] <Maxell> :|
[22:16] <Maxell> :(
[22:16] <jarod> nothing here
[22:16] <G8APZ> didn't accept my last upload... it dropped me off the receivers!!
[22:16] <Maxell> nah, even hard on 430 mhz colinear and preamp
[22:16] <jarod> ah, discone here
[22:16] <db_g6gzh> possibly floating ...
[22:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hope so. That will be cool.
[22:17] <DL1SGP> what was altitude on your last decode G8APZ
[22:17] <G8APZ> 103 OK 104 not
[22:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> 1x green, 1x red
[22:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Didn't even see that G8APZ
[22:17] <G8APZ> 12917 I think
[22:17] <DL1SGP> tu
[22:17] <Maxell> jarod: get a small 70cm yagi
[22:17] <jarod> why are there people talking on it?
[22:17] <Maxell> pount it towards UK
[22:17] <Maxell> ????
[22:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> -1m/s
[22:17] <Maxell> profit!
[22:17] <jarod> Maxell already got 6 antennas on the roof
[22:17] <jarod> !
[22:17] <Maxell> moar
[22:18] <G8APZ> 12197,6,-56,1.31
[22:18] <Maxell> jarod: 434.5 mhz is LPD fm voice
[22:18] <Maxell> 50 mW right?
[22:18] <Maxell> or 500?
[22:18] <jarod> LFD?
[22:18] <Maxell> or just 5 watts?
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[22:18] <Andrew_M6GTG> drifted right in a load of QRM :-(
[22:19] <bertrik> wow, -53 degrees C
[22:19] <jarod> Maxell you have 434.570 big fixed carrier as well?
[22:20] <Maxell> $$B7,106,221932,131111,52.261,1.062,12655,6,-56,1.31*f9d7
[22:20] <fsphil> take it B-27 isn't a foil
[22:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Loosing it: $B-2njotY 932,1311v12.261,1.0t2,1265i9,-DiKN31
[22:20] <craag> fsphil: netted latex
[22:20] <Maxell> retuning is causing a fraction of the time to be absent
[22:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> -0.9m/s
[22:20] <fsphil> nice
[22:20] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: how do you fix that?
[22:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> floating @ high altitude ;)
[22:20] <jarod> Maxell i forgot: signal H or V?
[22:20] <Maxell> habs alsowas go h
[22:20] <Maxell> uh
[22:20] <Maxell> v
[22:20] <Maxell> :P
[22:20] <DL1SGP> lol Maxell
[22:20] <Maxell> pointy stick
[22:20] <jarod> ok so discone should do best?
[22:20] <Maxell> goed down
[22:21] <G8APZ> 12917 last time but no decode either block
[22:21] <Maxell> no, 430 mhz colinear or yagi
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[22:21] <Maxell> jarod: for habs height is not eveyrhing
[22:21] <jarod> yagi usually is H?
[22:21] <Maxell> this is 10mW
[22:21] <Maxell> in a wrongly tuned antenna
[22:22] <DL1SGP> it depends on how you mount the yagi jarod :)
[22:22] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> Maxell: fix what?
[22:22] <G8APZ> 434.496 for 1000
[22:22] <DL1SGP> and if you get a crossed yagi you could even do rhcp
[22:22] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: how do you tune while you do not interfere with the decodes?
[22:22] <jarod> DL1SGP: http://x264.nl/dump/konig-ant-uhf70-kn.jpg i hate that
[22:22] <jarod> *have
[22:22] <Maxell> signal here is drifting so badly I need to retune
[22:22] <Maxell> but retuning (in dlfldigi) means pause in decoding
[22:22] <G8APZ> 12477 alt good decode block 107
[22:23] <bertrik> Maxell: is the AFC to its fastest setting?
[22:23] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> You donĀ“t
[22:23] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> just make sure as soon as it starts TX it is about half way low
[22:23] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> my blips are about 20% from the left hand edge
[22:23] <bertrik> perhaps increasing the bandwidth would help?
[22:23] <jarod> Maxell what freq is it on now?
[22:24] <Maxell> bertrik: AFC doesnt work for DomEX
[22:24] <Maxell> jarod: ask the peepz with a real radio, this dongle might be off
[22:25] <Maxell> jarod: I'm at 434.494 Mhz and pips at 1500 Hz
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[22:25] <jarod> ok
[22:25] <jarod> so lower...
[22:25] <jarod> usb mode in dlfldigi and sdr# yes?
[22:25] <Maxell> yes
[22:26] <Maxell> you do not need to set fldigi's mode, it is for hardware radio over serial cable only
[22:26] <jarod> ok
[22:26] <jarod> so NONE will do?
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[22:27] <fsphil> fldigi might need the mode to tell it which way the tones go
[22:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> jarod It really doesn't matter
[22:27] <fsphil> set USB just in case
[22:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's what I do
[22:27] <fsphil> if in doubt, USB :)
[22:27] <Maxell> http://i.imgur.com/fBX40xK.png
[22:28] <Maxell> taking the screenshot is making it drift out of the decoder bandwidh
[22:28] <jarod> ok hoping to pick something up soon :)
[22:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> missed....
[22:29] <G8KNN> http://i.imgur.com/fBX40xK.png
[22:29] <G8APZ> couldnt track it was drifting so fast HF!
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[22:29] <jarod> you guys have newer dl-fldigi?
[22:29] <jarod> 3.21.50 still newest?
[22:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's what I have jarod
[22:29] <bertrik> I hope B-27 stabilises altitude-wise
[22:30] <jarod> it needs to go up :)
[22:30] <db_g6gzh> 3.21.50 is what I'm using but there is newer I think
[22:30] <bertrik> at least reach the coast of the netherlands
[22:31] <G8APZ> grabbed 113 ok!!
[22:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Damn! One character off: $$B-27,114,223056,131111,52.2702,1.3O27,11469,6,-58,1.31*0dac
[22:32] <G8APZ> I'll stop manually following it if there is someone tracking in NL
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[22:33] <jarod> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi still 3.21.50 it seems
[22:33] <Maxell> G8APZ: feeling the same :/
[22:33] <jarod> must be greatly stable, nice
[22:33] <Maxell> jarod: ahey it just werks
[22:34] <Maxell> patches are welcome :P
[22:34] <G8APZ> 115 OK and uploaded
[22:34] <Maxell> partial: $$B-27,115,223235,131111,52.2723,1.3465,11258,9,1.31`X844y o2eirrrYfmtbo\Uffffffff\Uffffffffr3tVynr ,6,-58,1.31*d0ed
[22:34] <jarod> freq now?
[22:34] <Upu> 495.500
[22:34] <G8APZ> 495.5
[22:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> The Tx drift is making it very difficult. I wonder if it lost it's insulation.
[22:34] <jarod> huh?
[22:35] <G8APZ> 434.495.5
[22:35] <jarod> Ah....
[22:35] <G8APZ> it's drifting HF now... about 10Hz per 3 secs!
[22:35] <DL1SGP> Steve_G0TDJ: maybe after the knowledge from insulation on last flight LeoBodnar did not use any :)
[22:35] <jarod> no signal here on the discone :)
[22:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, maybe Felix. It's taking it's toll though.
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[22:37] <bertrik> usually, things like electronics are spec'ed down to -40 degC or so, right?
[22:37] <eroomde> there are 2 normal temp ratings industrial and commercial
[22:37] <eroomde> commercial is 0-70
[22:37] <eroomde> industrial is -40 to 80-120ish
[22:37] <eroomde> there is automotive too which goes hotter i think
[22:37] <mfa298> jarod: you should get a warning from dl-fldigi if there's an update to download - but there's not been a new version for a while.
[22:38] <jarod> ok
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[22:38] <eroomde> but certainly never assume -40, you have to check explicitly]
[22:38] <arko> and military which is -55 to 125
[22:38] <fsphil> you also get that dl-fldigi warning if you compile from source
[22:39] <G8APZ> 434.496.5
[22:39] <bertrik> eroomde: ok, thanks for the overview
[22:39] <jarod> you guys need pll receivers :P
[22:39] <mfa298> fsphil: but only if you download the tar file rather than get the git repo.
[22:40] <eroomde> no carrier jarod
[22:40] <eroomde> SSBSC
[22:40] <jarod> i know :)
[22:40] <eroomde> but yes would be nice
[22:40] <Laurenceb_> infected mushroom
[22:40] <G8APZ> the decode loses the last few due to drift... I cannot track fast enough!
[22:40] <jarod> NFM guys are too strong
[22:41] <mfa298> fsphil: it's also something that caused me pain when trying to make an rpm (I've added a patch to the spec to create the relevant file)
[22:42] <G8APZ> 434.497.5
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[22:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not strong enough for me to decode now *sigh* Oh well, I had a few greens...
[22:43] <G8APZ> I stop tracking... too hard to follow the drift... now it is on 497.5 and going HF
[22:43] <fsphil> it'll be quite bad drift if it ends up on HF :)
[22:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> G0CXW will have to carry on for all of us.
[22:45] <bertrik> I really hope it reaches the mainland, but it'll probably just drown a few km off the coast .. :|
[22:45] <mfa298> fsphil: did you do much in terms of code for dominoEx - or have you not done much more than copying the varicode bits from dl-fldigi sources.
[22:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> I hope it gets to mainland Eu for all our friends
[22:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like B-26 another iceed up balloon ?
[22:46] <DL1SGP> I fear not Steve_G0TDJ
[22:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> DL1SGP: Decending....
[22:47] <G8APZ> 434.499
[22:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll aim my next one at you Felix :-)
[22:47] <DL1SGP> heh
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[22:48] <fsphil> did an avr version a while back mfa298
[22:48] <Maxell> bertrik: i saw it
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[22:48] <Maxell> it's back op at 434.5 mhz again\
[22:48] <mfa298> I've got a start of it actually working on the Pi now, it'm now just working out where to grab useful code from to re-use.
[22:49] <mfa298> and working out how much I ought to re-write my existing code.
[22:51] <bertrik> yay, got line 128 :)
[22:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well done :-)
[22:52] <G8APZ> Pity about the blocks that don't decode - I could mend them if I knew the checksums!!
[22:52] <G8APZ> 434.500
[22:53] <fsphil> surprised domex works without accurate timing
[22:55] <PB0NER> leo, you keep us busy... clicking the waterfall...
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[22:58] <mfa298> It's using the hardware pwm to generate the tones so the timing only needs to manage changing tones.
[22:58] <fsphil> frequency spacing is probably more important
[22:59] <G8APZ> auto tracking would help here!!
[22:59] <bertrik> B-27 still keeps drifting upward in frequency
[22:59] <fsphil> rtty's one advantage :)
[22:59] <fsphil> well that and simplicity
[23:00] <G8APZ> BUT... tonight I've lost the sig all but... block 134 not decoded
[23:00] <G8APZ> 434.500.5
[23:00] <mfa298> So far it's only tested with "Aaa" being repeated a number of times so I really need to get it working with a full alphabet and see how it really copes
[23:00] <eroomde> one letter at a time
[23:00] <eroomde> don't go mad :)
[23:00] <fsphil> someone needs to figure out how to do DMA .. my brain gets distracted everytime I read about it
[23:02] <eroomde> your brain needs fewer interruptions
[23:02] <mfa298> finding good documentation for doing stuff on the pi like this seems to be quite a challenge.
[23:02] <fsphil> brain_cli();
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[23:02] <mfa298> I ended up mostly reading the source for things like wiringpi to get the pwm working
[23:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Time I was off - Good night guys (still got my fingers crossed for NL & DE flyover :-)
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[23:04] <DL1SGP> yeah maybe RNLI will refill or give payload a new balloon Steve_G0TDJ_AFK
[23:05] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> ;-)
[23:05] <Laurenceb_> wtf is B-27
[23:05] <Laurenceb_> up and down veyr high
[23:07] <ibanezmatt13> night everyone
[23:07] <db_g6gzh> 2013-11-11 23:03:56.835 G6GZH-1 R M0XER-6>APRS,WIDE2-1:!/4&O=N{.uO 0:/A=023388
[23:08] <db_g6gzh> APRS activated
[23:08] <G8APZ> Night all.... see you soon...
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[23:09] <nats`> hi
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[23:11] <DL1SGP> hi nats`
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[23:28] <DL1SGP> closes dl-fldigi
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[23:29] <GMT> evenin' all; I see that leo if flying again ... 434.500 as usual?
[23:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> pe2g good morning
[23:30] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: Good Morning Herman
[23:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> there is a new b bollon coming to you hihihihlol
[23:31] <PE2G> Yes, but I don't know any sonde chasers at sea :)
[23:32] <PE2G> Just put the yagi up. Too late.
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[23:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes he comming to my house now
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[23:34] <PE2G> I think you need to move your house a bit to the west
[23:34] <PE2G> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=6bca7e85f9303eff4aab651af5ed8c75c8f22efd
[23:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> no to the noord abt 20 km
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[23:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> my qth is Delft near denhaag
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[23:38] <PE2G> Yes, I know. At this descent rate B-27 will ditch quite far away
[23:41] <PB0NER> whatdidleodowrong.com?
[23:44] <DL1SGP> well rest in pieces B-27 I am going to bed :) bye all
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