highaltitude.log.20131110

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[00:07] <Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2013/11/09/detect-disguises-with-a-raspberry-pi/
[00:07] <Laurenceb__> lol no way
[00:08] <Laurenceb__> like mission impossible IRL
[00:09] <DL1SGP> heh
[00:10] <SpeedEvil> Surface temperature of the human face varies significantly with health, weather, and if they're on fire.
[00:10] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[00:11] <Laurenceb__> i have a chapter on just this topic in my thesis :P
[00:11] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:11] <Laurenceb__> in relation to blood flow and temperature
[00:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOIRZnafgQk - there are lots of fun presentation on lock weaknesses
[00:11] <SpeedEvil> cracking medical high security locks
[00:12] <Laurenceb__> heh
[00:12] <Laurenceb__> http://www.aicbt.com/disguise-detection/
[00:12] <Laurenceb__> wow, top one had me fooled
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> I've been idly wondering about a 24*7 wearable pulse meter DIY.
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> Colorimetry/IR
[00:13] <Laurenceb__> check out my github
[00:13] <DL1SGP> for pulse and SpO2 measurement?
[00:13] <Laurenceb__> its in there :P
[00:13] <Laurenceb__> yes
[00:14] <SpeedEvil> I was more meaning a tiny, tiny micro.
[00:14] <Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger
[00:14] <SpeedEvil> Hmm
[00:14] <SpeedEvil> Something similar to that.
[00:14] <Laurenceb__> oldish as thats being sold now
[00:14] <Laurenceb__> so production firmware isnt in there
[00:15] <SpeedEvil> Neat - I assume medically?
[00:15] <Laurenceb__> but its pretty simple, stm32 + single opamp
[00:15] <Laurenceb__> for some research projects
[00:15] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[00:16] <Laurenceb__> as the firmware is available it can be customised with other sensors and stuff
[00:17] <Laurenceb__> stm32 pwm -> LEDs , photodiode -> opamp -> stm32 ADC
[00:17] <Laurenceb__> simple
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[00:23] <DL1SGP> ok everyone I am off to bed, to all tracking B-26 ... good luck ... to all others... good luck with whatever you are doing :D
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander> good night DL1SGP
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[01:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> gm Leo
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[01:46] <DL7AD> morning
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[01:47] <eroomde_> I have just seen Gravity
[01:47] <eroomde_> it's good
[01:47] <DL7AD> is it in 3d?
[01:47] <eroomde_> intact i'd give it 9.81 out of 10
[01:47] <moriarty> anybody here involved in remote sensing projects?
[01:47] <eroomde_> which is a sign i should go to bed
[01:48] <eroomde_> moriarty: have done work in that field in the past
[01:48] <eroomde_> hydrology in alpine regions with mesh networks of environmental seniors and the like
[01:48] <moriarty> eroomde_, nicely done :) what physical method?
[01:48] <moriarty> eroomde_, gravity, magnetics?
[01:48] <eroomde_> air temp, skin temps, humidity, wind speed and direction
[01:49] <DL7AD> http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/1/js
[01:49] <moriarty> excellent
[01:50] <eroomde_> also build a robotic airship to make 3d skin temperature maps
[01:50] <eroomde_> http://youtu.be/K29dn0Mzspk
[01:50] <eroomde_> never made it beyond a couple of field trips but it was fun :)
[01:51] <DL7AD> with which gas is it filled?
[01:51] <eroomde_> helium
[01:51] <DL7AD> weight?
[01:51] <eroomde_> a couple of academics in my old department are also heavily involved in infrastructure remote sensing
[01:51] <eroomde_> e.g. metro system tunnel movement monitoring and so on
[01:52] <eroomde_> DL7AD: about 20kg total iirc
[01:52] <eroomde_> actually perhaps more like 15
[01:52] <DL7AD> phew....
[01:52] <eroomde_> i confess i can't really remember
[01:52] <DL7AD> heavy
[01:52] <eroomde_> well, massy
[01:53] <eroomde_> it was small as far as airships go :)
[01:53] <DL7AD> theres too much lead on board :P
[01:54] <eroomde_> it's mostly the skin actually
[01:54] <eroomde_> the payload mass was probably about 7kg total
[01:54] <eroomde_> the rest was all the material
[01:54] <eroomde_> 4kg for the propulsion pod, 3kg for the electronics pod
[01:55] <DL7AD> btw whos the professor?
[01:57] <eroomde_> there isn't one
[01:57] <eroomde_> it was just a bunch of researchers, me included
[01:57] <DL7AD> ah okay
[01:58] <eroomde_> intact the entire real time computer vision lab at cam sort of has disappeared now
[01:58] <eroomde_> ed is a consultant, olaf was last seen at oxford, neil went to UCL, and I work on rocket propulsion
[01:58] <eroomde_> infact*
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[03:40] <DL7AD_> morning
[03:40] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[03:40] <DL7AD> .
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[07:27] <DutchMillbt> Good morning PB0NER in the chase for B26?
[07:28] <G8KNN> It certainly looks like it!
[07:28] <DutchMillbt> cool
[07:29] <Upu> shouldn't be hard to find
[07:29] <Upu> we have a landing position
[07:29] <Upu> 1 sec
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[07:29] <Upu> there
[07:29] <Upu> M0XER-5
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[07:30] <Upu> in a field
[07:31] <DutchMillbt> Morning UPU whats the landing position lat/long?
[07:32] <Upu> on spacenear.us
[07:32] <Upu> Time: 2013-11-10 04:00:34
[07:32] <Upu> Position: 51.38567,5.80194
[07:32] <Upu> Altitude: 46.9392 m Rate: 0.0 m/s
[07:32] <Upu> Max. Altitude: 46.9392 m
[07:34] <DutchMillbt> ..aha its on the map indeed ...;-)
[07:36] <Upu> so PB0NER going after it ?
[07:45] <DutchMillbt> I dont think so UPU he is heading NO instead of Z
[07:47] <Upu> ok
[07:48] <DutchMillbt> or he is picking up PE2G
[07:50] <DutchMillbt> 40 mins out for breakfast ...
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[08:10] <DL1SGP> good morning
[08:10] <Upu> morning
[08:11] <DL1SGP> hey Upu thanks for putting the last APRS pos of B-26 on the map
[08:11] <Upu> welcome
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[08:23] <HKBalloon> hello?
[08:25] <x-f> good morning
[08:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Guys :-)
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[08:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyone know if Leo is launching again this evening?
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[08:31] <x-f> i'm not sure even Leo knows that
[08:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[08:32] <ibanezmatt13> morning
[08:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've missed all three since he got back. I'd like to catch at least one. I'm getting withdrawal symptoms
[08:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Matt
[08:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm off to the Kempton Radio Rally in 30mins. I'll have to check SpaceNear when I get back.
[08:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> Might use the app
[08:44] <DL1SGP> good morning Steve_G0TDJ
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[08:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hiya Felix
[08:45] <DL1SGP> I hope you get rid of the withdrawal symptoms real soon :D
[08:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Yeah. Doesn't look like there are any other local launches today
[08:47] <cm13g09> just my luck.... remote into work - ISP at work pulls the plug on me.....
[08:47] <cm13g09> oh well, guess I won't be patching those PCs today
[08:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> So not your fault, chill out and enjoy Sunday :-)
[08:48] <DL1SGP> heh cm13g09 :) I know that feeling
[08:49] <cm13g09> Steve_G0TDJ: yeah - pity that those machines need to be patched before the morning......
[08:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> I used to be IT support at Reuters. Can be frustrating, I know.
[08:49] <cm13g09> yeah
[08:50] <cm13g09> you're telling me
[08:50] <cm13g09> (goes back to playing with raspivid
[08:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, I'm off to the Kempton Radio Rally. See you guys later!
[08:51] <DL1SGP> looks like PB0NER went to a sports competition, possibly indoor bike race :D
[08:51] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ -> Steve_G0TDJ_AFK
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[08:52] <bertrik> good morning
[08:54] <DL1SGP> good morning bertrik
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[09:00] <bertrik> if B-26==M0XER-5 then we have a pretty good idea where B-26 went down
[09:02] <DL1SGP> yes Betrik
[09:02] <DL1SGP> *bertrik sorry :)
[09:02] <DL1SGP> I need more coffee
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[09:08] <DL1SGP> chances are that one of the farmers around there found it already, else it could go up again once sun hits the foil, not sure what weather is like in the area
[09:09] <DL1SGP> or sheep ate it *baaaaaaaaah*
[09:10] <bertrik> it just stopped raining, but there's more rain on the way see http://www.buienradar.nl/
[09:10] <DL1SGP> yeah I know :)
[09:13] Action: cm13g09 thinks he needs to do raspi upgrades more often.... Taking ~30mins to get as far as perl-base...
[09:16] <cm13g09> OH.... I ran out of disk space...
[09:16] <cm13g09> AH
[09:16] <cm13g09> explains a lot
[09:17] <DL1SGP> :)
[09:17] <cm13g09> DL1SGP: trying to do stuff on a Raspi with a 1GB root is qute hard ;)
[09:18] <cm13g09> It does, however, explain a lot
[09:20] Action: cm13g09 installs the latest build, then upgrades....
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[09:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
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[09:32] <DL1SGP> goedenmorgen Herman, hoe is het met jou?
[09:34] <PE2G> Guten Morgen, just woke up
[09:35] <DL1SGP> :) tijd voor en heel smakkelijk kopje koffie :)
[09:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> pe2g good morning
[09:36] <PE2G> Yes, and brunch :) Any news about recovery of B-26?
[09:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> met mij gaat het goed en zit lekker aan de koffie
[09:37] <PE2G> Morgen Herman
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[09:38] <DL1SGP> PE2G: pretty last we know is the position shown for M0XER-5
[09:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> i have nog rig for mobile here grgr
[09:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> not yet
[09:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> i wil buy a nice tranceiver but dont know witch
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[09:39] <DL1SGP> Herman, if you want to go there... dongle on notebook able to decode aprs would be fine, it still would be uncertain if you'd hear it
[09:41] <PE2G> DL1SGP, Thanks for the info. A met-sonde chaser lives quite near the landing area
[09:42] <PE2G> I haven't seen him online yet though
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[09:43] <DL1SGP> yeah, he could use the sonde equipment, the directional he has for in field hunt might not be entirely resonant on the 430 area but more close to 400 MHz but that should still be fine
[09:44] <PE2G> DL1SGP, Yes I'm sure it will work
[09:44] <bertrik> bah, dl-fldigi crashed again last night
[09:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> here also bertrik around 5
[09:45] <PE2G> However, I don't see Revspace and PA3WEG on this channel
[09:46] <PE2G> Maybe they're already on their way?
[09:46] <Herman-PB0AHX> i think wouter is still sleeping hihihihi
[09:47] <DL1SGP> that sounds so Wouter :D
[09:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> corection he weked up now
[09:47] <DL1SGP> heh
[09:47] <DL1SGP> you rang him up?
[09:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> i speek to him now on skype
[09:48] <DL1SGP> ah
[09:51] <Herman-PB0AHX> b-26 is for sure down now ??
[09:52] <DL1SGP> humidity is high there, so I assume it has not dried off much... it might have been retrieved by muggles though :)
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[10:00] <cm13g09> Circuit debugging when you don't have the source code for the PIC is fun.... made even more fun by the fact that I'm in Chelmsford, and the board I'm fault-finding is in Colchester :P
[10:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> is er some body chasing now B-26 ???
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[10:05] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: I havent't been able to contact the met balloon chaser living in the area yet
[10:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> ik oveleg even met wouter of we het gaan doen ja of nee
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[10:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> wouter heeft de spullen ik de zin hihihih
[10:11] <PE2G> PA0GLA (not on this channel) is on his way to the landing area
[10:12] <PE2G> He lives near Eindhoven
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[10:13] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok let me know
[10:13] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> morning
[10:13] <Herman-PB0AHX> morning
[10:13] <DL1SGP> goedenmorgen Wouter
[10:15] <bertrik> PE2G: cool!
[10:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> The AHX / WEG chase team will stand down I hear?
[10:19] <PE2G> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: PA0GLA is on his way. He became third in the Balloon Foxhunt 2013, so he'll probably find it (if it's still there)
[10:20] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[10:21] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> and if the TX is doing something
[10:21] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> any way, lets wait then
[10:21] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> Herman and I were planning to go
[10:21] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> but no need to make it a contest now ;)
[10:21] <PE2G> PA0GLA is the third man from the left (with brown trousers) : http://tinyurl.com/k6s8fpu
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[10:23] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> You know what that suffix means in dutch around here right?
[10:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> (no offense) - Geen Licentie Aanwezig ;) I´m sure that is not true
[10:26] <PE2G> His c/s is PA2GLA, btw
[10:26] <PE2G> Haven't had coffee or breakfast yet
[10:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I heard last time you were remote assisting them during tracking of the baloon fox hunt
[10:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I was planning to do the same for a team here
[10:28] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> by the way, I think I have found the ¨secret¨ TLM downlink of that balloon
[10:28] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> so if the team I was helping comes first next year...;)
[10:28] <eroomde_> goca perigee just happened at 147km
[10:28] <eroomde_> the end if nigh
[10:28] <eroomde_> GOCE*
[10:28] <eroomde_> end is nigh*
[10:29] <PE2G> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: Yes, I've done that for the last couple of years
[10:29] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> any bets on its re-entry location?
[10:29] <eroomde_> london
[10:29] <eroomde_> i reckon 7 more orbits
[10:30] <eroomde_> bbl
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[10:32] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: do you fancy a drive? http://aprs.fi/info/a/M0XER-5 :P
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[10:33] <jarod> :O
[10:33] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> Maxell: PA2GLA is already going there
[10:33] <Maxell> fuuu
[10:34] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> but yes, I was planning the trip with Herman-PB0AHX
[10:34] <Maxell> nice :P
[10:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> Maxell: I found the reel of flat telephone cable for the space that I sort of promised
[10:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> morning maxell
[10:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> lekahhh koffie
[10:36] <OH7HJ-1> GM Gents! Planning B-25 rescue operation..? :)
[10:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> oh7hj-1 u wil go with us ?
[10:38] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: :D
[10:38] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: yes helloow
[10:39] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I am watching the map. I presume when the payload is raised a couple of meters, its APRS location will be transmitted OK again
[10:40] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> do we know why it landed?
[10:40] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> balloon deflation? Temperature drop?
[10:40] <OH7HJ-1> I have my DF gear ready anytime for a balloon search... 21-el beam plus telescopic mast and FT817 Rx. Where shall we meet? ;)
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[10:44] <PE2G> PA2GLA reports sunny spells in the Eindhoven area
[10:45] <DL1SGP> lol OH7HJ-1
[10:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> pe2g nice
[10:46] <PE2G> Maybe B-26 will lift off again...
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[10:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> no i stop fldigi now for a moment
[10:47] <DL1SGP> indeed if sun warms it up and water dries off.. the good thing is... APRS infrastructure is close so even at relatively low altitude we would get the position
[10:48] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[10:48] <OH7HJ-1> Balloons seem to favor national park sites like the B15 that vanished in Koivusuo swamps. What kind outfit need for search..?
[10:49] <DL1SGP> solar powered hovercraft OH7HJ-1
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[10:50] <Herman-PB0AHX> a swimsuit is enough
[10:50] <OH7HJ-1> I will lend my junior one, a R/C controlled. Also need portable APRS for close range reception?
[10:52] <DL1SGP> you gonna try to find B-15 after all that time?
[10:53] <OH7HJ-1> Gents, as you may enter national park, maybe you could video a document to be shown on National Geographic Channel..?
[10:54] <DL1SGP> OH7HJ-1: I fear it is outside of the national park :) on a field with sheep maybe
[10:54] <DL1SGP> baaaaaaah
[10:54] <OH7HJ-1> B-15 slipped from our hands unfortunately. We were not aware that it might lift off next day and quit listening. It may have made a morning hop to Russia..?
[10:55] <DL1SGP> possible :)
[10:55] <OH7HJ-1> We hope you better luck with this search Gents! At least you will not lose it all the way to Russia I guess... :)
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[10:59] <OH7HJ-1> But is it hops up again of you find and release it again to float in jet streams, I am ready to catch it for a hydrogen refill..!
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[11:01] <OH7HJ-1> Sri typos *** if *** or *** my bad Finglish style...
[11:01] <DL1SGP> it is constantly warming up in the area where the balloon landed...
[11:01] <OH7HJ-1> Then must be quick to run and jump to catch it..!
[11:02] <OH7HJ-1> Do sheep eat foil balloons?
[11:04] <OH7HJ-1> Might get an APRS fix on four feet...
[11:07] <OH7HJ-1> (not meaning altitude now)
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[11:11] <DL1SGP> morning db_g6gzh
[11:15] <db_g6gzh> morning
[11:20] <eroomde> back
[11:21] <DL1SGP> welcome back eroomde
[11:22] <eroomde> it was a tough drive, but someone had to do it
[11:22] <DL1SGP> should I scroll up to read where you were driving to? :)
[11:23] <eroomde> oh not really
[11:23] <eroomde> just work
[11:24] <eroomde> having a bit of a weekend hack session with my colleague
[11:24] <eroomde> and his cousin
[11:25] <DL1SGP> ah sweet
[11:25] <eroomde> his cousin has a msuic studio and is big into analogue recording equipment, and we're helping fire up and reverse engineer some old soviet pre-amps that seem to have taken the recording world by storm
[11:25] <eroomde> rusty old things that fetch £500 eac on ebay
[11:26] <DL1SGP> I am the master of the house here today, nothing much to do other than taking care of animals and later of the kids coming to sing at the door for getting some candy...
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[11:27] <eroomde> i saw a video where some guy leapt out of the shadows at some trick or treat kids
[11:27] <eroomde> presumably as a treak
[11:28] <eroomde> but one of them was some utterly traumatised that you could here the petrified screams all the way down the road
[11:30] <DL1SGP> heh, well it has nothing to do with trick or treat here fortunately, goes back at the time that farm owners sacked their employees for winter in medieval ages. at this day they would ahve had to perform the annual payments to property administrator and church
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[11:31] <DL1SGP> as result the kids of the employees went from house to house of richer people to collect fruits, clothes whatever was needed for winter
[11:31] <DL1SGP> and during that they were singing at each house
[11:31] <eroomde> give them fruit
[11:31] <eroomde> and see the delight in their faces
[11:32] <DL1SGP> we have fruits and some candy :)
[11:32] <bertrik> I *hated* that as a kid :)
[11:33] <DL1SGP> heh bertrik
[11:41] <Maxell> PE2G: any news about the retrieval operation?
[11:42] <PE2G> PA2GLA should be on site by now, Maxell
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[11:42] <PE2G> Don't want to disturb him (yet)
[11:43] <Maxell> :P
[11:44] <PE2G> Hate that when I'm DFing in the field an the phone rings
[11:44] <Maxell> huh
[11:44] <Maxell> you just start listening on 434.5 mhz right
[11:45] <PE2G> Sure
[11:45] <Maxell> just pointnting the yagi a bit, "like meh",
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[11:51] <PE2G> The sun is shining brightly in Eindhoven: http://www.dps-offshoring.com/page/webcam
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[11:51] <db_g6gzh> I lost scroll back due to an unscheduled reboot and was wondering if anyone had gone after B-26, I guess that PA2GLA is the answer then.
[11:51] <DL1SGP> good morning Leo TheFloat Bodnar
[11:52] <db_g6gzh> Sunny here too, I should go outside ...
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[11:54] <LeoBodnar> morning! just
[11:55] <DL1SGP> hehe
[11:56] <db_g6gzh> LeoBodnar: any interest in APRS logs or do you have enough info from aprs.fi ?
[11:57] <LeoBodnar> thanks db_g6gzh I think aprs.fi has most info. However it seems to purge all duplicates so it's difficult to judge how many stations have actually heard particular packet. Any idea if this information is available?
[11:58] <LeoBodnar> So yes I am interested in your logs db_g6gzh
[12:00] <db_g6gzh> I think aprs.fi just uses the first one of any duplicate. No idea if it keeps any more data. I'll email you my off-air logs.
[12:00] <LeoBodnar> cheers
[12:00] <PE2G> YES! PA2GLA recovered B-26! It was stuck in a low tree, but is in working order
[12:00] <DL1SGP> woooot!
[12:00] <LeoBodnar> Haha well done!
[12:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> yessssssssssss congrats pe2g
[12:00] <db_g6gzh> \0/
[12:01] <PE2G> Pictures will follow later
[12:01] <G8KNN> brilliant
[12:02] <PE2G> Found about 600 m NE of thl last APRS fix. He used DFing, no decoding
[12:02] <PE2G> 600 m NE of the last APRS fix
[12:02] <LeoBodnar> cool
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[12:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> filling him and let him go
[12:03] <DL1SGP> ibanezmatt13: B-26 was recovered, good morning
[12:03] <ibanezmatt13> Oh excellent!
[12:04] <ibanezmatt13> And good morning :)
[12:04] <PE2G> I heard B-26's telemetry over the phone. it sounds as if it's still working fine
[12:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> hahahahah lol
[12:04] <fsphil> oh nice
[12:04] <fsphil> the first B-recovery?
[12:05] <LeoBodnar> 1st independent recovery
[12:05] <LeoBodnar> But this was not a foil one
[12:05] <fsphil> oooh 100g?
[12:05] <Herman-PB0AHX> ow
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[12:05] <Herman-PB0AHX> latex ??
[12:05] <LeoBodnar> Netted latex Qualatex
[12:06] <LeoBodnar> Or whatever is left of it
[12:06] <DL1SGP> heh
[12:06] <db_g6gzh> the secret is out 8-)
[12:07] <PE2G> PA2GLA decided not to relaunch
[12:07] <LeoBodnar> Another Rosswell
[12:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> no dend him back to leo
[12:07] <LeoBodnar> *Roswell
[12:07] <PE2G> He's unsure if it has enough lift
[12:07] <LeoBodnar> It had 10g when launched
[12:08] <LeoBodnar> So basically if it can go up it's OK
[12:08] <LeoBodnar> Up to him! :D
[12:08] <Upu> awesome PE2G :)
[12:08] <Upu> pics ?
[12:08] <DL1SGP> Upu, pics will follow in a bit
[12:09] <Upu> super
[12:09] <Upu> launching a pico late today
[12:09] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> was it in APRS or RTTY?
[12:09] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> APRS I presume?
[12:09] <LeoBodnar> Weather is beautiful here
[12:09] <DL1SGP> I guess he DF-ed the DomEx and pips Wouter-[pa3weg]1
[12:09] <Upu> mine is RTTY
[12:10] <Upu> Leo's was APRS+Domex16
[12:10] <DL1SGP> rtty is cool :D
[12:10] <OH7HJ-1> Congrats for succesful rescue! Rescuers were quick and the Tx was alive! Was it spotted by the 70 cm signal? From how far away?
[12:10] <PE2G> The balloon was between tree branches, PA2GLA thinks the balloon may be damaged
[12:10] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/BC9DU#3bv1J6q
[12:10] <Upu> not quite as light as leo's but mine has an AA strapped to the back
[12:10] <fsphil> that's a busy map
[12:10] <PE2G> PA2GLA was DFing on 434.500 AM
[12:10] <Upu> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/112851_trj001.gif
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[12:11] <fsphil> missing a gps module too :)
[12:11] <fsphil> ah, more than one pic
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[12:12] <PE2G> PA2GLA DFed it from 1 km away on 434.500 AM
[12:12] <Upu> lol yeah fsphil don't worry forgetting to put a GPS on before launch would be fairly inexcusable :)
[12:12] <DL1SGP> heh
[12:12] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[12:13] <fsphil> that'd be even worse than me forgetting the payload
[12:13] <DL1SGP> the trajectory looks fun Upu
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[12:13] <db_g6gzh> LeoBodnar: you should have email
[12:14] <LeoBodnar> thanks db_g6gzh !
[12:14] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> OK, so it was on RTTY then
[12:14] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> 434.500
[12:14] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> sorry
[12:14] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> DomEX
[12:14] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> not APRS I meant
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[12:16] <PE2G> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: Indeed. APRS was only used to pinpoint the last position, thereafter direction finding
[12:17] <chrisstubbs> Looks like a good path Upu, will be sure to track
[12:18] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> PE2G: I was under the impression it switched off DomEX and started APRS, but not at the same time
[12:18] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> Leo?
[12:19] <PE2G> Wouter-[pa3weg] I just heard B-26's DomEx audio via the phone
[12:19] <LeoBodnar> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: It does them simultaneously
[12:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> OK, thanks Leo, that makes sense now
[12:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> good to know, I usually stopped listening once APRS was on the map, assuming they were mutually exclusive
[12:21] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> no idea how I got that idea then....
[12:21] <bertrik> PE2G: nice! :D
[12:21] <cm13g09> craag: ping
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[12:24] <DL1SGP> welkom terug Wouter-[pa3weg]
[12:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> mhhh, interwebz buggy
[12:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I have not had a single issue for over 7 years, and now it is dying every week...
[12:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> probably wet cabling, some rotten splice somewhere
[12:24] <OH7HJ-1> Yes, it is good to have a beacon with long enough transmissions to pinpoint the Tx on ground, after it has dropped below APRS range. This one was lucky to give its APRS fix down to 47 m alt, makes finding easier!
[12:25] <Upu> if anyone wants to take screen shots do so now I'm going to clear shortly
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[12:25] <craag> cm13g09: pong
[12:25] <OH7HJ-1> With good last PRS fix you can get into the range of the 434 MHz beacon.
[12:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> Herman and I were planning to chase as well, but PA2GLA was already on his way and has way more experience
[12:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> next time...;)
[12:27] <cm13g09> craag: I'm having fun with raspi streaming
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[12:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> if I could find one then I hang it above my bed lol lol fun
[12:30] <PE2G> PA2GLA is unsure about the condition of the balloon, is trying to determine whether it has still 10 g lift.
[12:31] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> PE2G: local wind conditions?
[12:31] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> if wind is low enough, you could just try to release..
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[12:32] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> rotating antenna that way....if it is on a hill I might RX it
[12:32] <DL1SGP> 2.8m/s NW according to APRS WX reports Wouter-[pa3weg] not sure if you got that message before my web went bye-bye
[12:32] <LeoBodnar> Does it still have any buoyancy left?
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[12:33] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> nope, thanks for repeating
[12:33] <DL1SGP> Wouter :P A hill in NL. are you refering to the domes that moles make when coming to daylight?
[12:34] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yes, hill, not mountain :D
[12:34] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> A dyke will give you a good 6m of elevation! ;)
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[12:34] <DL1SGP> true, that is fine enough for DX :D
[12:35] <LeoBodnar> lol
[12:35] <PE2G> PA2GLA just determined that the remaining lift is far less than 10 g. Balloon floats over the table but is unable to lift the payload from the table
[12:35] <LeoBodnar> Then it has lost the lift
[12:36] <DL1SGP> yeap, still will make a pretty room deco for a while though
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[12:37] <PE2G> LeoBodnar: can the battery be disconnected easily?
[12:37] <DL1SGP> if PA2GLA has kids or grandkids he could go out with them for letting a kite fly and put the payload below it :)
[12:37] <OH7HJ-1> *** Offering as a volunteer to furnish its paylod under new balloon ***
[12:39] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> does anyone know the shelf life of qualatex?
[12:39] <LeoBodnar> There are two wires under the Kapton tape at the bottom of the payload soldered together. He can just snip them apart. Pretty much like on Upu one but shorter http://imgur.com/a/BC9DU#SRHGC5U
[12:39] <LeoBodnar> Latex ones?
[12:39] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I have gor the 3ft here
[12:39] <SIbot> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[12:40] <PE2G> LeoBodnar: Thanks. I'll pass that on
[12:40] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> anyone that has helium is welcome to pick it up and try to re-fly it
[12:41] <craag> Wouter-[pa3weg]: The shelf life of a new balloon?
[12:41] <OH7HJ-1> Will anyone with hydrogen do..? ;)
[12:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> i can do that to morow morning
[12:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> well, I have some OLD Qualatex balloons
[12:43] <LeoBodnar> Can you relaunch weather sondes payloads?
[12:43] <craag> A few people have flown old ones,their performance is variable, but some have gone ridiculously high!
[12:44] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[12:44] <craag> So definitely worth trying it out.
[12:45] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> OK, if we find helium, we can
[12:45] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> @Leo, were you using the 3ft ones as well
[12:45] <SIbot> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[12:45] <LeoBodnar> Latex?
[12:46] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yes
[12:46] <LeoBodnar> Yes, it was some old Qualatex 3 leg ends latex
[12:46] <LeoBodnar> Get this SIbot!
[12:47] <craag> lol LeoBodnar
[12:47] <db_g6gzh> wonder if it can deal with 1 furlong
[12:47] <craag> db_g6gzh: No, it only does ft at the moment.
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[12:48] <db_g6gzh> but I always measure speed in furlongs/fortnight 8-)
[12:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> chains please
[12:48] <craag> haha ok
[12:48] <PE2G> LeoBodnar: PA2GLA just investigated the foil that you used over the balloon. He thinks that it's some kind of 'capacitor foil'?
[12:48] <craag> https://github.com/philcrump/SIbot - Pull requests are welcome ;)
[12:49] <LeoBodnar> It's some random mylar I had lying around
[12:49] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> solar protection?
[12:49] <PE2G> LeoBodnar: The foil is kind of crumbled he says, and it collected water.
[12:50] <LeoBodnar> I see
[12:50] <PE2G> The weight of the foil including water is 12 g
[12:50] <LeoBodnar> He can take it off, it was useless
[12:50] <LeoBodnar> I was hoping it will protect it from solar heating
[12:50] <PE2G> The weight of the foil including water alone is 12 g
[12:50] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> maybe enough lift when foil removed?
[12:50] <OH7HJ-1> Then removing the foil would make the balloon lif again?
[12:51] <LeoBodnar> This balloon would have been helpful in a desert
[12:51] <PE2G> PA2GLA has already done that
[12:51] <PE2G> Balloon still not able to lift the payload
[12:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> PE2G: if you want to re-fly, Herman is willing to pick it up, and we will re-fly it
[12:54] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> LeoBodnar: What battery did you fly? Lithium stuff?
[12:54] <LeoBodnar> Energizer Ultimate Lithium
[12:55] <LeoBodnar> I have used AA but AAA should last a few days as well
[12:56] <LeoBodnar> It's an older board with MAX-6 and no solar power
[12:56] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I should buy a couple of those
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[12:56] <PE2G> Thanks for the offer, Wouter and Herman. We'll consider it, we also have other options
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[12:57] <Martijn> Hi all
[12:57] Nick change: Martijn -> Guest42679
[12:57] <DL1SGP> Hi Martijn
[12:57] Nick change: Guest42679 -> Skinpatch
[12:57] Nick change: Skinpatch -> MartijnSomething
[12:57] <MartijnSomething> any ballons going up today?
[12:58] <DL1SGP> yes, PAVA-A Pico
[12:58] <DL1SGP> at 14:00 HABish
[12:58] <craag> Does anyone know the rough trajectory forecast?
[12:58] <DL1SGP> yes craag
[12:58] <MartijnSomething> ok cool
[12:59] <DL1SGP> (1:10:58 PM) Upu: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/112851_trj001.gif
[12:59] <craag> DL1SGP: Awesome thanks! Time to get my PGA103 preamp soldered up!
[12:59] <DL1SGP> :D
[13:00] <DL1SGP> it is meant to be transmitting rtty 50 7N2 on 434,500 tech info available on the mailing list
[13:02] <DL1SGP> after this exciting start of day I now gonna have a cuppa coffee and then will need to walk the dog ... potentially followed by a brief antenna inspection after storms of the past days
[13:03] <DL1SGP> so be safe everyone and if ye dutch find some helium for doing something fun later today let me know please :D
[13:03] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> making some phone calls for helium if PE2G decides on re-flight
[13:04] <DL1SGP> I will check later no worries :)
[13:07] <jarod> all balloons landed?
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[13:09] <Maxell> jarod: yeah and latest B flight has been rescued
[13:10] <chrisg7ogx> B26?
[13:14] <jarod> Maxell cool
[13:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> chrisg7ogx b-26 is recoverd
[13:14] <Maxell> jarod: might be plans to re-launch
[13:14] <chrisg7ogx> tks that's good news
[13:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes is very nice
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[13:15] <chrisg7ogx> jarod from near recovery site?
[13:18] <jarod> huh?
[13:19] <chrisg7ogx> it's ok
[13:19] <PE2G> chrisg7ogx: Probably not and probably not today, we're considering options
[13:19] <chrisg7ogx> pe2g tks
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[13:46] <Herman-PB0AHX> .
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[13:51] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> PE2G: you were trying to contact me?
[13:51] <PE2G> Yes
[13:51] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> got a strange message back from the IRC server
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[13:54] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> OK, that works now
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[13:58] <Laurenceb__> what happened to B-26?
[13:59] <db_g6gzh> 12:00 < PE2G> YES! PA2GLA recovered B-26! It was stuck in a low tree, but is in working order
[13:59] <jaeger195> Hi, can anyone advise me on products on the HAB Supplies site? I'm interested in the Radiometrix NTX2B and just wanted to consult before purchase
[13:59] <eroomde> and thus the redistribution of ubloxes from the west to eastern europe is complete
[13:59] <eroomde> Leo is Robin Hood
[13:59] <Laurenceb__> heh
[13:59] <eroomde> jaeger195, yes, get that
[14:00] <eroomde> you'll have no doubt read it advises you to come to irc before buying
[14:00] <eroomde> well done
[14:00] <jaeger195> Yes threats right
[14:00] <jaeger195> That's
[14:00] <db_g6gzh> jaeger195: you want Upu but he's preparing to launch
[14:00] <eroomde> the person you want to talk to is launching in about 1 minute to might not be on irc right now
[14:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> can somebody clean the screen pse
[14:00] <eroomde> but he runs the shop and has special rates for people who have the initiative to come onto irc
[14:01] <eroomde> Herman-PB0AHX, spit and a cloth
[14:01] <jaeger195> Great thanks you, I will try another time then
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[14:01] <db_g6gzh> Herman-PB0AHX: reload, it's clear here
[14:01] <eroomde> hang around if you can
[14:01] <eroomde> i'm sure he'll be on soon
[14:01] <jaeger195> I hope the flight goes well!
[14:01] <eroomde> toy can see it on spacenear.us/tracker
[14:01] <eroomde> you can*
[14:02] <jaeger195> I will, I had a look last night and seemed to be quite a bit of activity
[14:02] <DL1SGP> hehe
[14:02] <eroomde> that's LeoBodnar
[14:02] <eroomde> he's polluting
[14:02] <DL1SGP> I am back :)
[14:02] <bertrik> it just appeared for me
[14:02] <eroomde> PAVA-A has just appeared on the map
[14:02] <DL1SGP> there we go, PAVA-A takes to float
[14:02] <eroomde> we don't know yet if it'll float :)
[14:03] <DL1SGP> heh but we always can hope eroomde
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[14:04] <DL1SGP> a good flight for UK trackers!
[14:04] <jaeger195> I will go and watch with interest, thanks eroomde for your time
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[14:05] <DL1SGP> and the flight will be good for all disguised ninja HAB followers in France
[14:07] <bertrik> it'll do a "capital cities" tour :), first london, then paris, then rome?
[14:07] <DL1SGP> I think Tunis before Rome :)
[14:09] <eroomde> it's ignoring the prediction
[14:09] <eroomde> someone should tell it
[14:10] <Willdude123> Hmm what do do with that $5 a month VPS with an SSD....
[14:10] <eroomde> talk about it on irc
[14:11] <PE2G> Laurenceb__: Expect some pics later today
[14:11] <Laurenceb__> weighed down by moisture?
[14:11] <DL1SGP> that'd be cool PE2G
[14:12] <PE2G> Laurenceb__: Very likely
[14:12] <Laurenceb__> its too damp up there :-/
[14:12] <Laurenceb__> we need a way to fly higher
[14:12] <Laurenceb__> like 12Km or so
[14:13] <eroomde> 2m superpressure balloons
[14:13] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[14:13] <eroomde> internal payload
[14:13] <Laurenceb__> its not a massive change in air density
[14:13] <PE2G> B-26 payload is in good health, so it'll definitely fly again, only not today
[14:13] <eroomde> let the year of the beach ball begin
[14:13] <Laurenceb__> but big change in moisture dynamics
[14:14] <Laurenceb__> if we could find larger mylar balloons....
[14:14] <Willdude123> eroomde, that's a good idea
[14:14] <Willdude123> Well I got it from DigitalOcean
[14:14] <Laurenceb__> alternatively just wait for good weather, like B11 and 12 were flying in
[14:14] <eroomde> no it's not, it was sarcasm
[14:14] <Willdude123> It's got a 20gb SSD.
[14:14] <eroomde> so don't
[14:14] <Willdude123> Oh, I'm sorry.
[14:15] <Laurenceb__> but that could be a long wait
[14:15] <LeoBodnar> I can only wait until next week
[14:15] <eroomde> Willdude123, make something that grabs aprs streams and puts them on a google map
[14:15] <Willdude123> Good idea.
[14:16] <Willdude123> But where do I start?
[14:17] <eroomde> udacity's web application development course
[14:17] <Willdude123> Even better idea
[14:19] <Laurenceb__> haha LeoBodnar
[14:19] <Laurenceb__> you are too launch happy
[14:20] <db_g6gzh> Leo's payloads have a "Best Before" date
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[14:20] <G4AIU-Eugene> Good afternoon to all
[14:22] <eroomde> good afternoon Eugene
[14:22] <db_g6gzh> PAVA-A on the waterfall
[14:23] <G8KNN> Nothing here yet :-(
[14:23] <db_g6gzh> If it was DominoEX it would probably be decoding
[14:23] <G4AIU-Eugene> eroomde - GA to you
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[14:27] <db_g6gzh> except that a neighbour has started up a petrol strimmer which is creating some ignition noise
[14:27] <steve_2e0vet> what settings do i need for PAVA-A
[14:28] <steve_2e0vet> ping Upu
[14:28] <db_g6gzh> steve_2e0vet: 434.5 auto-configure
[14:28] <eroomde> 434.5 rtty 50 7n2
[14:28] <Upu> afternoone
[14:28] <steve_2e0vet> looks like i havent gob HAB version of Dl
[14:29] <eroomde> before everyone
[14:29] <Upu> autoconfig should do it steve_2e0vet
[14:29] <steve_2e0vet> dont think i have HAB version
[14:29] <steve_2e0vet> downloaded it from ukhas
[14:29] <Upu> let my neighbours kid launch it
[14:29] <G4AIU-Eugene> Will hear nothing for some time - here in the West Country HAB reception can be bleak!
[14:29] <Upu> he was well excited
[14:29] <steve_2e0vet> its b;asting my ears out here
[14:29] <Upu> not surprised its over your house almost
[14:30] <steve_2e0vet> where is the HAB version of dl-fld
[14:30] <steve_2e0vet> lol
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[14:30] <eroomde> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[14:30] <Upu> just start it with -hab on the command line
[14:30] <Upu> you should have 2 icons
[14:31] <steve_2e0vet> i'm dumb.. dont worry found it
[14:32] <Upu> ok so experiment 1 : is the TCXO stable answer yes very
[14:32] Action: eroomde faints from surprise
[14:32] <Upu> I know
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[14:32] <LeoBodnar> What's the free lift?
[14:32] <Upu> thats in my "Lunar Lander" list of experiments that are totally pointless
[14:32] <Upu> 3g
[14:33] <eroomde> where is he?
[14:33] <Upu> ish
[14:33] <eroomde> oh yes, there's a launch on so nowhere to be seen
[14:33] <LeoBodnar> Should float then
[14:33] <Upu> way less gas in it than the last one
[14:33] <Upu> by that definition he should never be here these days
[14:34] <eroomde> one lives in hope
[14:34] <Upu> lol
[14:34] <eroomde> we love you really Lunar_lander, should you ever find this in the logs
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[14:35] <Upu> mean while in Lunars lair, a german strokes his cat "I like you ed, I'll kill you last"
[14:35] <steve_2e0vet> http://imgur.com/k2awwGT
[14:35] <steve_2e0vet> cannot decode for somereason
[14:35] <Upu> you're tuned too high up
[14:35] <eroomde> tune it to move it into the middle
[14:35] <Upu> get the yellow bars in the middle
[14:36] <eroomde> get the red lines such that they overlap the yellow signal lines
[14:36] <steve_2e0vet> got ya
[14:36] <LeoBodnar> What's the sweet spot for filters BW?
[14:37] <eroomde> 2x shift?
[14:37] <eroomde> first order anal extraction, where shift >> baud rate
[14:37] <LeoBodnar> I mean the lo/hi filters those red thngies
[14:38] <eroomde> oh, not sure
[14:38] <LeoBodnar> There were some conflicting sciences presented here
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[14:40] <steve_2e0vet> Upu: its landing near paris, if you had postponed the flight 2 weeks i could have recovered it lol
[14:40] <Upu> I'm hoping it doens't burst
[14:40] <Upu> battery has 50 hours
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[14:42] <Upu> looks good steve_2e0vet
[14:42] <Upu> I see you on the listeners list now
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[14:44] <Maxell> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=PAVA-A sure is HABish
[14:44] <Maxell> once again HABish saves me
[14:45] <LeoBodnar> You are on the floating frequency Upu so it should be OK
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[14:45] <Maxell> ah thats how LeoBodnar does it, he just uses the magicial backdoor freqency
[14:45] <mikestir> known to me as the QRM frequency :(
[14:45] <Upu> haha yeah sorry couldn't redo the frequency as I'd cut the programming header off
[14:45] <Maxell> mikestir: didn't had QRM thar so yeah
[14:46] <eroomde> LeoBodnar, i think the 3dB bandwidth for each filter probably wants to be the same as the symbol rate
[14:46] <Upu> its about 1khz above where you normally live
[14:46] <eroomde> as an optimal trade off between two wide (too much noise) and too narrow (inter-symbol interference)
[14:46] <LeoBodnar> Ah, cool, I'll know where to search for it then
[14:47] <eroomde> i suspect this assumption is porbably true only for white noise
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[14:48] <mattbrejza> really i think it should be a rasied cosine filter, which takes as paramters cut-off (the symbol rate) and the roll off factor
[14:48] <mattbrejza> but no idea what fldigi uses
[14:49] <LeoBodnar> I have see it working better with wider filters
[14:49] <LeoBodnar> *n
[14:49] <LeoBodnar> Not sure why, maybe AFC gets in the way
[14:50] <mattbrejza> also why afc uses the same filter im not sure either
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[14:54] <db_g6gzh> Yes, dl-fldigi's AFC seems to capture weaker signals than can be decoded so it might be better if it used wider filters so it could track fast drift better and pull in further off tune signals
[14:56] <db_g6gzh> not that this payload needs it
[14:57] <Upu> this is my own radio design
[14:57] <Upu> SI4060 based
[14:57] <Upu> well I say my own design
[14:57] <G8kuz> Newbie-question. Started to track balloons via internet. If I want to track and decode signal on 70cms, what software is used?
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[14:57] <Upu> its just the SI reference schematic
[14:57] <eroomde> dl-fldigi
[14:57] <Upu> hi G8kuz
[14:58] <eroomde> both these links, read them G8kuz
[14:58] <eroomde> ^
[14:58] <eroomde> the guide first, probably
[14:58] <Upu> you should be in range of PAVA-A , 434.500Mhz
[14:59] <G8kuz> Thanks for info, will do.
[14:59] <craag> Upu: PAVA-A is going up rather quickly!
[14:59] <craag> How much free lift do you have on it?
[14:59] <Upu> 3g of free lift with 19g payload
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[15:00] <craag> wow ok.. how does that manage 2.2m/s !
[15:00] <Upu> I suspect some sort of mis reporting going on
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[15:00] <eroomde> 90mph winds
[15:00] <eroomde> very good
[15:00] <Upu_M0UPU> its about 1.1-14m/s
[15:01] <craag> Upu_M0UPU: Yeah just did the calculation, 1.1m/s average so far.
[15:01] <Upu_M0UPU> doing 65mph
[15:01] <Upu_M0UPU> corking speed
[15:01] <mattbrejza> Upu_M0UPU: is the payload domex?
[15:01] <Upu_M0UPU> no this one is just RTTY
[15:02] <mattbrejza> ok
[15:02] <Upu_M0UPU> I have a new one that can do RTTY, Domino and Thor
[15:02] <mattbrejza> i thought once in range it might automatically start decoding
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[15:02] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.501 put the cursor at 1300 and see how stable the TCXO is :)
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[15:03] <Upu_M0UPU> in some good winds now
[15:03] <mattbrejza> which one did you use?
[15:03] <Upu_M0UPU> can't remember
[15:03] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll dig out the order it was rated to -30C
[15:04] <mattbrejza> from farnell?
[15:04] <Upu_M0UPU> yes
[15:04] <Upu_M0UPU> but I'm changing it on the new design
[15:04] <mattbrejza> annoyingly US stock i seem to remember?
[15:04] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah
[15:04] <Upu_M0UPU> I ordered the new ones from there
[15:05] <mattbrejza> i saw rs had some, i dont know how theyll compare though
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[15:09] <craag> .5ppm is rather good :)
[15:10] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> it is amazing what they do these days
[15:10] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> for next-to-nothing in cost
[15:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> when I designed the Delfi-C3 satellite transponder, those were not around, and now they cost (next to) nothing
[15:11] <craag> Strictly that's stil +-200hz, but I guess that's only when you cool it from +60 to -30 in a couple of seconds.
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[15:15] <mattbrejza> the farnell ones arnt better so should be fine
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[15:16] <craag> Yeah I haven't seen any tcxos better than that.
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[15:17] <craag> fcdpp uses a 0.5ppm, so the problem may end up being on the receiver side :P
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[15:21] <Upu_M0UPU> http://uk.farnell.com/txc/7l-26-000mbg-t/oscillator-tcxo-26mhz-smd/dp/2095958
[15:21] <Upu_M0UPU> its using this one mattbrejza
[15:21] <mattbrejza> ah thx
[15:22] <mattbrejza> any resaon for that one?
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[15:23] <Upu_M0UPU> not sure tbh
[15:23] <Upu_M0UPU> it matched my spec
[15:23] <mattbrejza> k
[15:23] <Upu_M0UPU> and I'm sure when I ordered it that it was UK sotck
[15:23] <Upu_M0UPU> its not any more
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[15:31] <mfa298> Is the pava payload weaker than normal - I'm struggling to find it.
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[15:32] <Upu_M0UPU> don't think so
[15:32] <Upu_M0UPU> hard for me to comment as its so close
[15:32] <mfa298> maybe it's just in a bad direction. I thought it should be west enough for me to have a fairly direct path to it
[15:32] <Upu_M0UPU> however the number of listeners on it would indicate its ok
[15:33] <Upu_M0UPU> basically if a payload just has M0DTS on it you have issues
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[15:33] <Upu_M0UPU> ah ffs
[15:33] <Upu_M0UPU> not enough Leo magic
[15:33] <mfa298> looks like astra has it now so it can't be too weak. I shall have to fiddle this end
[15:33] <db_g6gzh> I received it pretty much from horizon so should be OK
[15:34] <craag> burst ;(
[15:34] <LeoBodnar> Oh, f*
[15:34] <Upu_M0UPU> yup
[15:34] <wd8mnv> looks like it may have reached cruising altitude
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[15:34] <Upu_M0UPU> nah thats a burst
[15:35] <LeoBodnar> Proper burst
[15:35] <Upu_M0UPU> this is what the last one did
[15:35] <Upu_M0UPU> must be totally down to the payload weight
[15:35] <LeoBodnar> Is this the same batch?
[15:35] <mfa298> darn, and I just saw something on the waterfall that might have been it :(
[15:35] <Upu_M0UPU> yes Leo
[15:36] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll get some more ordered up
[15:36] <LeoBodnar> I'd get a different batch
[15:36] <LeoBodnar> I flew several 20 gram ones
[15:36] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> does anyone keep track of the batch numbers?
[15:37] <Upu_M0UPU> don't even think they have them on there
[15:37] <Upu_M0UPU> could be wrong
[15:37] <LeoBodnar> B-16 and B-18 HF experiments were both 20+ grams
[15:38] <Upu_M0UPU> hmm ok
[15:38] <LeoBodnar> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-18/index.html 22 grams payload and 4.5grams lift
[15:38] <Upu_M0UPU> odd
[15:38] <Upu_M0UPU> oh well
[15:39] <LeoBodnar> Also the Sun was setting so superpressure wouldn't be high on yours
[15:39] <Upu_M0UPU> Was aiming for 8500 @ sunset ish
[15:39] <LeoBodnar> But your ascent rate was quite high - it's the right time to confess you put a few more millistirks extra!
[15:40] <Upu_M0UPU> 23g blob of blu tack
[15:40] <LeoBodnar> Hmmm
[15:40] <Upu_M0UPU> might have had 5g lift possibly
[15:40] <Upu_M0UPU> 4-5
[15:40] <LeoBodnar> Should still be about OK
[15:41] <Upu_M0UPU> apparently not :)
[15:41] <LeoBodnar> *have
[15:41] <LeoBodnar> *been
[15:41] <DL1SGP> *possibly
[15:41] <LeoBodnar> oh well
[15:41] <Upu_M0UPU> prototype tracker one careful owner buy collects
[15:42] <steve_2e0vet> Upu_M0UPU: what freq has it shifted to?
[15:43] <Upu_M0UPU> hasnt moved
[15:43] <steve_2e0vet> ive lost it then
[15:43] <LeoBodnar> Who's chasing it then?
[15:44] <db_g6gzh> It's nearer to you than me.
[15:44] <Upu_M0UPU> lol don't worry about it
[15:44] <Upu_M0UPU> I didn't launch it for a recovery
[15:44] <db_g6gzh> 8-)
[15:45] <Upu_M0UPU> does the radio circuit work , answer yes
[15:45] <Upu_M0UPU> PAVA R9 here we come
[15:45] <LeoBodnar> Probably Huntingdon/Cambridge area?
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[15:45] <Upu_M0UPU> yup thats my guess
[15:46] <Upu_M0UPU> if you want to play fox hunting the battery should be good for another 2 days
[15:46] <mfa298> Upu_M0UPU: can you claim careful owner when that owner has lost it somewhere in the countryside ?
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[15:46] <Upu_M0UPU> hehe
[15:46] <Upu_M0UPU> not so careful :)
[15:46] <LeoBodnar> Looks like payloads have improved recently much more than delivery vehicles.
[15:46] <LeoBodnar> ..one carefree owner
[15:47] <Upu_M0UPU> yup
[15:47] <Upu_M0UPU> right I'm off to make a stew
[15:47] <mattbrejza> fldigi and my java decoder are tied at 91 sentences each
[15:47] <Upu_M0UPU> cheers for tracking back in 30
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[15:50] <craag> with another one? :P
[15:51] <mfa298> I was wondering whether to leave the antenna out the window in case there are more to track
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[15:53] <craag> I'll launch my old tracker as soon as I can figure out why it's not talking to the gps any more.
[15:53] <Herman-PB0AHX> he go to the owstoon woods and sleet ther
[15:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> sleet is sleep
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[16:07] <g8ucy> on the way home to RS!
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[16:09] <fsphil> ah pava's down
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[16:10] <g8ucy> Good luck fore next time
[16:10] <fsphil> still coming down even
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[16:11] <craag> ha
[16:11] <fsphil> this one might get tracked all the way down
[16:11] <craag> I know someone who lives in uppingham
[16:12] <fsphil> tiny place
[16:12] <db_g6gzh> lost it dead on the blue line
[16:13] <fsphil> 344m ain't bad
[16:13] <db_g6gzh> 67km range so not complaining at that
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[16:15] <craag> Elevation is 163m at last point
[16:15] <db_g6gzh> anyway, the frequency is now clear for Leo 8-)
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[16:16] <LeoBodnar> Is anybody chasing it?
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[16:17] <wd8mnv> looks like it may have landed in a mostly clear spot?
[16:18] <craag> I reckon it's probably around where that cluster of trees in the middle of fields is
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[16:19] <eroomde> GOCE sweepstake people
[16:20] <eroomde> i'm gonna say 20.00 UTC
[16:22] <craag> Falling rather fast
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[16:25] <Upu_M0UPU> super
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[16:25] <Upu> you can have your frequency back now Leo
[16:26] <eroomde> just put the office telescope out to cool down
[16:26] <eroomde> it's such a crisp evening
[16:26] <Upu> it is
[16:26] <eroomde> hope it doesn't fog up
[16:26] <Upu> the moon was out when I launched
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[16:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> OT Anyone know of a good (UK) source of stainless steel U-Bolts and saddle clamps ?
[16:27] <eroomde> lots of inustrial estates have a good bolt shop
[16:27] <eroomde> eg my local place is Oxofrd Bold and Bearing
[16:27] <eroomde> you want M17x1.5 button head in A4-80, they'll just pop round the back and get the bucket of them
[16:28] <eroomde> Oxford*
[16:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed but couldn't find all I needed yesterday trying around here :-(
[16:28] <eroomde> Geoff-G8DHE, infact there was a place called something like ConnectU in pulborough
[16:28] <eroomde> or maybe Connect$
[16:28] <UT3BW> QRG and mode STS-10?
[16:28] <eroomde> Connect4*
[16:28] <eroomde> or something like that
[16:28] <eroomde> they had a very large range
[16:29] <Upu> not sure UT3BW
[16:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah that's in range as heading down to Portsmouth for some Yaseu stub mast castings in the week.
[16:29] <Upu> anyone else know ?
[16:30] <eroomde> sorry i can't remember the exact name
[16:30] <eroomde> but i've used them a few times, they were good
[16:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> No trouble a google may well find them
[16:30] <eroomde> GOCE down to 7.6km/s just then
[16:30] <eroomde> scary stuff
[16:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> I suspect Connect 2 - Bolt And Nut Stockists in Pulborough RH20 2RY
[16:31] <eroomde> that's the one
[16:31] <PE2G> Here are some pics of the B-26 recovery: http://tinyurl.com/qaxv5yr
[16:31] <eroomde> same form as connect 4, same sound as connect u
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[16:34] <DutchMillbt> Nice job PE2G!
[16:34] <gonzo_> when the winds are in the uk direction, you should send it back
[16:35] <PE2G> Thanks. Pics taken by PA2GLA himself
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[16:45] <daveake> mattbrejza I decided not to get that foam cat in hobbycraft
[16:46] <daveake> enormous thing. I think it ate all the pi's
[16:46] <mattbrejza> how come?
[16:46] <daveake> Got a couple of the new 160mm hollow eggs
[16:46] <mattbrejza> ah right, same reason i didnt get it then
[16:46] <mattbrejza> :)
[16:46] <daveake> They're much better than the older eggs - thinner walls so much more space inside
[16:47] <daveake> Also got 2 of those little foam boxes
[16:47] <mattbrejza> i went for a box, much esier to mount tihngs
[16:47] <daveake> Yes those look very easy to use. Nice size.
[16:48] <daveake> Not checked yet but I think a Pi will fit in one of the eggs
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[16:51] <mfa298> daveake: have you tried the box with a pi yet to see if it fits ?
[16:52] <daveake> nope
[16:52] <daveake> just got home a few mins ago
[16:52] <daveake> been out to measure up at our new house
[16:52] <mfa298> fair enough
[16:53] <mfa298> looking at the Pi size and guestimating the internal size of the box it looked like it might be a snug fit.
[16:53] <craag> these the hobbycraft 130mm boxes?
[16:53] <mfa298> yes
[16:54] <daveake> yes, and yes the pi fits easily
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[16:54] <wd8mnv> Pi is sane size as credit card, no?
[16:54] <daveake> plenty of space for batteries etc
[16:54] <wd8mnv> same*
[16:55] <craag> Wouldn't fit with a USB connector unfortunately :(
[16:55] <daveake> and yes fits in the egg :)
[16:55] <daveake> The Pi will fit in these with the USB and all other connnectors
[16:56] <mfa298> I can see a trip to HobbyCraft coming on.
[16:56] <craag> I mean with one plugged in
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[16:56] <craag> I might go back and get some if I decide to do an ssdv-only pi though.
[16:57] <craag> Could always solder the USB cable straight to the pins on the bottom of the Pi :P
[16:57] <daveake> yes no good with something plugged in :)
[16:57] <daveake> Yeah solder it on :)
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tellspec-what-s-in-your-food
[16:58] <mfa298> If I stuck a wifi dongle in I'd be tempted to cut a small hole in the side of the box and then add some suitable insulation
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[16:59] <daveake> Both containers with Pi boards inside: http://imgur.com/5loVZyC
[17:00] <craag> mfa298: Actually if you got one of the compact usb wifi adaptors with the proper sma antennas, it might stick quite nicely out of the side.
[17:01] <mfa298> that's what I was thinking.
[17:01] <craag> like: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150Mbps-Mini-USB-Wireless-WiFi-Network-Card-802-11n-g-b-w-Antenna-LAN-Adapter-K-/110956972677?_trksid=p2054897.l4276
[17:01] <mfa298> although wifo out the side might not be the best place for it.
[17:02] <mfa298> I've already got a couple of them to try :D
[17:02] <craag> :)
[17:02] <craag> one on each side then :P
[17:03] <mfa298> can always rotate the box so that side is the bottom
[17:03] <craag> Well you can just turn the antenna downwards surely?
[17:03] <craag> are after v-pol or h-pol?
[17:04] <mfa298> If I tried it I was thinking to use the antenna that came with it vertical on the payload and then patch on the ground
[17:04] <chrisstubbs> Aw pava came down :(
[17:04] <craag> Sounds good ;)
[17:05] <craag> I might be doing a launch on the 30th... need to assess weight budget though
[17:05] <mfa298> true it wouldn't be too bad to angle it down, I was thinking pi on it's side in the box but that probably doesn't make sense (and might not fit that way)
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[17:22] <Maxell> Intresting altitude dips from STS-10
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[17:39] <G8APZ> Is PAVA on the ground or still floating aimlessly at low alt?
[17:40] <craag> On the ground
[17:40] <G8APZ> OK... Looks like the chase vehicle quite close... recovering in the dark not easy!
[17:41] <craag> oo hadn't seen that
[17:41] <mfa298> ooo, someone went chasing :D
[17:41] <G8APZ> I put a 70cm dipole out to have a listen earlier, and as I put the rig on, noticed it was descending at 2m/s! Missed it!
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[17:41] <craag> Looks like leo's got it.
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[17:42] <craag> (got decodes from the trees, now heading back south)
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> Oooh - following on fram a retarded indigogo thing - http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/myt-6-inch-engine-for-aviation-2-0
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> Actually never mind - just as
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[18:12] <Upu> sigh @ Leo :/
[18:13] <Upu> probably stuck in a tree
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zephiq-energy-storage-project-pronounced-zef-ick - does this look familiar to you?
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[18:15] <Upu> I'd be surprised if Leo got that, he may have just got final position and left it
[18:16] <Upu> we'll see I guess
[18:16] <daveake> If it takes off from Silverstone later this evening, we'll know :)
[18:16] <Upu> haha
[18:16] <Upu> absolutely :)
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[18:17] <daveake> *Will* fixes his damn internet
[18:18] Action: Willdude does not want to talk to talktalk thank you please
[18:19] <Willdude> I once had functioning internet
[18:19] <Willdude> But it was long ago and it was far away, and it was so much better than it is today
[18:21] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> Willdude: check http://youtu.be/0ilMx7k7mso ;)
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[18:22] <eroomde> Willdude, install irssi on your server!
[18:22] <eroomde> you can do that right now
[18:24] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: Tony Wheeler is the guy behind EEStor
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[18:24] <Laurenceb_> its the same scam
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[18:26] <Willdude123> Wouter-[pa3weg], I was going to not watch that but then I thought what the helll it has a sorta hot guy in it so I may as well.
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[18:28] <Laurenceb_> the EEStor panent is funny
[18:28] <Laurenceb_> blatant fudges in the maths
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Ah - I diddn't recognise the name.
[18:29] <Willdude123> Laurenceb_, you a doctor yet?
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> There are quite a lot of physically unrealisable things on these sites.
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[18:32] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: the Castar thing is funny
[18:32] <Laurenceb_> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/technicalillusions/castar-the-most-versatile-ar-and-vr-system
[18:32] <Laurenceb_> main photo is a mock up
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Wierd.
[18:33] <Laurenceb_> as mico projectors that small dont exist
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[18:33] <Laurenceb_> and they cant build them...
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> It has gratuitous pictures of a cat though.
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> It's a cute cat, it must be real.
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[18:34] <Laurenceb_> the original idea is good
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[18:35] <Laurenceb_> but if i was doing it id spend my time going back to basics and making a retroreflective fabric with very high contrast
[18:36] <jarod> 434.675 MHz legal freq to talk NFM?
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[18:37] <Laurenceb_> DARPA did the idea properly with their battlefield simulation headset thingy in 2006
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[18:39] <Laurenceb_> you want retroreflector using glass microballoons on a black backing
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> Glass microspheres
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> I was looking at those for my projector ceiling idea.
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[18:40] <Laurenceb_> spheres even, yes
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> Paint a cloud scene on microspheres in UV phosphor. Illuminate from the top with UV/blue.
[18:40] <Laurenceb_> most retroreflector materials are too white
[18:41] <Laurenceb_> so really poor contrast in ambient light
[18:41] <SpeedEvil> Get a ceiling at visible 'infinity'
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[18:41] <Laurenceb_> interesting
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[18:49] <Willdude> I am bery sorry thank you please for my talktalk bad internet thank you please
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[18:53] <mfa298> Willdude: you should follow eroomde's advice, irssi on your vps, it's the way to go!
[18:53] <craag> +1 for irssi
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[18:54] <x-f> and then use mosh to connect to it from an unstable connection
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> Or quassel
[18:55] <Willdude> Mosh on windows is a headache
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> Quassel is easy
[18:56] <mfa298> even ssh and screen/tmux would work
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> http://jeb.biologists.org/content/207/6/993.long - fun. 'Let's put bees and hummingbirds in helium and oxygen mix to see if they can fly'
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[19:02] <eroomde> ssh + screen/tmux is how i did it
[19:04] <craag> I use mosh+screen
[19:04] <craag> which is really ssh+mosh+screen
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[19:17] <Maxell> +1 for irssi
[19:17] <Maxell> but quassel is also nice
[19:18] <Maxell> craag: mossh+irssi wins
[19:18] <Maxell> and screen
[19:18] <Maxell> \o/
[19:18] <craag> Maxell: Absolutely, especially at landing sites where you can get about 10 bytes/second throughput :P
[19:18] <craag> It still works
[19:18] <craag> just ;)
[19:19] <Maxell> Yeah
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[19:19] <Maxell> And you do not produce joins/quits for the rest
[19:19] <eroomde> what is Mossh?
[19:19] <Maxell> and have some backlog so you can easlly read back
[19:19] <Maxell> mosh, screen, irssi
[19:20] <Maxell> http://mosh.mit.edu/
[19:20] <eroomde> got it
[19:20] <eroomde> neat
[19:20] <Maxell> Remote terminal application that allows roaming, supports intermittent connectivity, and provides intelligent local echo and line editing of user keystrokes.
[19:20] <Maxell> Mosh is a replacement for SSH. It's more robust and responsive, especially over Wi-Fi, cellular, and long-distance links.
[19:21] <mattbrejza> interplanet irc
[19:22] <eroomde> oh it needs a mosh server at the other end
[19:22] <eroomde> that is annoying
[19:25] <mfa298> you don't need to set much up for a mosh server (apart from installing it and firewall rules)
[19:25] <craag> It's not really a replacement for ssh, it logs in using ssh, then starts up mosh-server on a port and moves the session over onto UDP to mosh-server.
[19:25] <mfa298> it get's started over an ssh connection
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[19:26] <craag> mosh-server will then accept anything with the right AES256 key that it gets on the UDP port, so changing ips doesn't matter.
[19:26] <mfa298> I mostly use plain ssh on a good connection, but mosh is good on dodgy connections (like hab chasing)
[19:27] <craag> (until you exit gracefully, and it'll close that mosh-server instance on the server side)
[19:27] <eroomde> can you SOCKS over mosh?
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[19:29] <morteh> mosh sounds cool
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[19:32] <craag> eroomde: No you can't. And I don't think they plan to implement it.
[19:32] <eroomde> ok, that's less useful for me
[19:32] <eroomde> as i use socks to get around needing to pay for a contract that requires tethering
[19:33] <craag> Hehe yeah, it would be nice, but I think they decided doing proper IP tunneling over UDP would add too much bloat.
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[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> helol
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:40] <DL1SGP1> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> hallo
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[19:53] <LeoBodnar> When I got to PAVA-A location it was pitch black so I just took final position to be sure
[19:54] <craag> Planning to go back and recover?
[19:54] <LeoBodnar> It looks like it is in the trees or powerlines, and far from any easily accessible roads. No streetlights either
[19:54] <craag> If not, I know some people in uppingham who might be interested.
[19:54] <craag> Now you've got the final position :)
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> hi LeoBodnar and craag
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> NO plans for now. I thought I'd take a reading if somebody wants to pop over and collect it tomorrow
[19:55] <craag> Evening Lunar_Lander !
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, craag that would be good
[19:56] <craag> ok cool
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> It's burst so should be there still
[19:56] <craag> They don't have a 70cm rx, so couldn't attempt it without you going out there tonight :)
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[19:57] <LeoBodnar> 5CDLFI:;
[19:57] <LeoBodnar> teamwork that is
[19:58] <DL1SGP> Out of curiosity, how many households might be effected if that power line was taken down "by accident"?
[19:58] <arko> nice!
[19:59] <LeoBodnar> It looks like either telegraph poles or local line for a few hoses
[19:59] <DL1SGP> ah OK
[19:59] <DL1SGP> I guess streetview does not even know that the area exists :D
[19:59] <craag> Yeah not many houses around there..
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[20:03] <PB0NER> mornig all..
[20:03] <Maxell> PB0NER: hello
[20:03] <PB0NER> +n
[20:03] <DL1SGP> hi PB0NER how was sports?
[20:03] <Maxell> I see you had a trip today
[20:03] <PB0NER> Hey JEroen
[20:04] <PB0NER> sports? negative.. work
[20:04] <DL1SGP> ah
[20:04] <DL1SGP> on a sunday sighs
[20:04] <PB0NER> Yeah test of the iPhone App
[20:04] <PB0NER> exibition
[20:05] <PB0NER> went there yesterday too...
[20:06] <Maxell> So far looks to be working :P
[20:06] <PB0NER> will Leo be flying again, I'm still waiting for a B-52 with a proper (less leathal) payload :)
[20:07] <PB0NER> halfway there
[20:07] <PB0NER> Yeah, PA3WEG spottet me doing 70 (kmh) during a small traffic jam
[20:07] <PB0NER> t=d
[20:08] <PB0NER> Hi DL1SGP wie gehts?
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[20:09] <PB0NER> had a hard time finding (decoding) B-26 last night
[20:09] <PB0NER> but did a 2nd place job in number of packets i believe
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[20:11] <dg9bfc> evening
[20:12] <PB0NER> I have a proof setup of my rotor/top bearing now, need to hook it up for some tests, Soon I will have my 2 m2 X yagi's on a test mast in the garden
[20:12] <PB0NER> before it will be put on the top of my house
[20:13] <PB0NER> better HAB trackeing! yeah
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[20:14] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb:
[20:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> That is a compressed message!
[20:15] <craag> PB0NER: How long are the yagis?
[20:17] <PB0NER> Circulair polarised 8el(x2) for 2, not really sure about the 70 one. they are ~3 mtr long
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> 1kw stirling engine
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/360779373076?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[20:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> SpeedEvil: put on a hab?
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> I am just staring with a question in my eyes
[20:18] <craag> PB0NER: That sounds like a decent amount of gain!
[20:19] <PB0NER> got them from PB0AHX, mainly to be used for SAT work
[20:19] <PB0NER> but have no funds (yet) for an elevation rotor) :(
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[20:21] <PB0NER> so I will elevate the slightly in a fixed position if I put up the mast before I habe the EL rotor. got some proper relais to swich my I910 to my vertical stick I use now for 2, 70 and 23
[20:21] <PB0NER> and I will install Pre ams once I can afford them too
[20:21] <PB0NER> amps
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[20:22] <craag> PB0NER: We just acquired one of these at a local club auction: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7bs3r0btjbc4czv/2013-11-10%2020.20.49.jpg
[20:22] <craag> But no mast/antennas at the moment.
[20:22] <PB0NER> rotor control equipment is home build around a Raspberry Pi
[20:23] <PB0NER> craag: I only need the elevation part of that
[20:23] <craag> Yeah, the expensive bit :P
[20:24] <PB0NER> ¬399 new
[20:24] <craag> We got that for 40 pounds.
[20:24] <PB0NER> damn
[20:24] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: ping?
[20:24] <craag> Yeah, we need to find a use for it, but it was too good a deal to pass up!
[20:25] <PB0NER> craag: looks pretty 'clean' but make sure to inspect it before installation
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[20:25] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: what's your take on that dual-step descend? http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-8/1.png and http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-25/2a.png
[20:25] <PB0NER> eh ship it here, for double that?
[20:25] <craag> PB0NER: It's very clean, but horizontal is a bit noisy, so we're going to give it a good grease-up.
[20:26] <LeoBodnar> Both occurred over the North Sea
[20:26] <PB0NER> I got a CDE 45II voor AZ, it is from '83!
[20:26] <PB0NER> but has been in a mast for less than one year
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> maybe layers of cloud?
[20:27] <PB0NER> Laurenceb_: LeoBodnar B25 jumped a bit when it passed from sea to land... last night
[20:28] <craag> PB0NER: :P We'll hold onto it. I'm planning to put together a portable HAB/sat autotracker.
[20:28] <Laurenceb_> oh
[20:28] <Laurenceb_> maybe the IR from the land/sea?
[20:28] <PB0NER> the first little drop and up again was ~ at the beachfront
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[20:29] <PB0NER> if I remember that right.. saw it live
[20:29] <PB0NER> LeoBodnar: thanks to the die hard dutch guy's there was telemetry
[20:30] <PB0NER> LeoBodnar: are you still into the flight control/ sim business. know some one with a lot of your stuff
[20:30] <PB0NER> I am going to help him out a bit
[20:30] <LeoBodnar> Both were in the middle of the Sea
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> Cool PB0NER, yes, plodding along
[20:32] <PB0NER> you know that guy, he had some trouble communicating or so.. but he is in need of some engine controls etc.. flew that sim last wednesday,, had you yoke's
[20:32] <PB0NER> and other stuff
[20:33] <PB0NER> he did an amazing homebuild job and is about to make it move too
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[20:34] <PB0NER> lebodnar.. as soon as I have more details about what is needed I'll take that up with your
[20:34] <PB0NER> -r
[20:34] <PB0NER> cat your nick wrong LeoBodnar
[20:35] <PB0NER> the question is, is Leo flying again today?
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[20:35] <LeoBodnar> lol
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[20:35] <LeoBodnar> define "today"
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[20:35] <PB0NER> are you? I have time to track it
[20:37] <LeoBodnar> Nothing is flying at the moment
[20:38] <PB0NER> I know.. that is odd
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[20:39] <PB0NER> by the way I'm about to build a gyro stabilized az/el rotor for chase use :-)
[20:40] <LeoBodnar> I think this step happens at the point of transitioning from SP to ZP mode. While ice is continuing to build up
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[20:43] <PB0NER> could be
[20:44] <PB0NER> explanation
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[20:45] <LeoBodnar> At the transition point gas becomes adiabatic at releases some heat. Could it possibly delay ice forming?
[20:45] <craag> PB0NER: A chase az/el would be cool. The horizontal would get a lot of use in the UK with all the roundabouts!
[20:45] <PB0NER> I'm restoring a '72 VW bus ...
[20:46] <PB0NER> mobile shack
[20:46] <craag> :)
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> In both cases it took ~ an hour to start descending again
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> Or is it absorption of IR ?
[20:47] <PB0NER> intersting to build a payload to messure that
[20:47] <PB0NER> add an IR sensor to telemetry?
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[21:09] <DL1SGP> goedenavoend Jakob
[21:10] <PE1NKV> goedenavond dl1sgp
[21:12] <PB0NER> craag we ahe lots of roundabouts too..
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[21:12] <PB0NER> stepper motors
[21:12] <craag> Better grease that bearing well then :P
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[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:22] <PB0NER> craag Raspberry Pi rotor steering
[21:23] <PB0NER> hamlib/yaesu compatible compatible
[21:23] <PB0NER> -compatible
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[21:53] <Willdude123> Mosh is good, but no windows client :(
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[21:53] <PB0NER> why :( that is a positive!
[21:54] <mfa298> you have a pi and BBB use that for your mosh client
[21:54] <craag> lol
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[21:57] <Willdude123> Why?
[21:57] <Willdude123> I can't use my pc and rpi at the same time
[21:58] <PB0NER> why not X windows /ssh?
[21:58] <craag> SSH into the Pi
[21:58] <mfa298> why not, you don't need a screen or keyboard on a pi for it to be useful
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> Willdude123: quassel.
[21:58] <PB0NER> ssh -Y/-X raspberry and use mac, linx or xming on Windwos
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> Willdude123: Quasselcore on the PI. Then connect arbitrary clients to it on any machine
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> (ios/windows/android/linux)
[21:58] <mfa298> 2/3 of my Pi's dont have a screen on them
[21:58] <craag> Or just don't bother with mosh for now. Use PuTTY
[21:59] <craag> then run irssi in screen on the server
[21:59] <PB0NER> indeed with Xtunneling/xming
[21:59] <craag> 4/4 of my Pi's dont :)
[21:59] <craag> currently
[21:59] <mfa298> 1 has a screen but that's only because it's running rasbmc
[22:00] <craag> mfa298: Can't you run that headless :P
[22:00] <Willdude123> But how would I ssh if I had dodgy internet?
[22:00] <craag> ah I see
[22:00] <craag> ssh into the pi, mosh from pi to server then
[22:00] <mfa298> technically 3/4 pi's dont have screens but the model A is still in it's box
[22:01] <mfa298> Willdude123: as craag just said, ssh into the pi (local network so should be stable), then mosh from pi to vps (over the internet), screen/tmux then irssi on the vps
[22:02] <mfa298> you could even add an additional screen/tmux session on the pi if you wanted to be able to disconnect from that - although screen in screen get's interesting.
[22:03] <craag> ]]]\
[22:04] <eroomde> why do we need the pi in any of this?
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[22:05] <eroomde> why not just have irssi on the vps and ssh into the vps?
[22:05] <mfa298> that's what I'd do unless the internet connection was that dodgy.
[22:05] <craag> he wants to use mosh, as his internet connection completely drops out a lot.
[22:05] <eroomde> run the irssi in screen, just reattach to it if you loose your ssh connection and have to log in again
[22:05] <mfa298> but then if it was that bad I'd revert to my 3G dongle or dialup
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[22:06] <craag> plus project+pi = project++ :P
[22:06] <DL1SGP> hehe craag
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[22:06] <mfa298> needs to go via the BBB for project+++
[22:06] <mfa298> * that's via the BBB as well
[22:06] <mfa298> PC -> Pi -> BBB -> VPS
[22:07] <mfa298> if you can get MacOS in the middle as well does that count as ++ or -- ?
[22:07] <DL1SGP> there is a virtual machine missing in there :D
[22:10] <eroomde> going home
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[22:14] <mfa298> Willdude123: unless you're connection is dropping out every 20 seconds then Putty and screen/tmux will be fine.
[22:14] <mfa298> also with suitable settings in Putty it may well ride out any short drop in the internet connection (unless you're router picks up a new IP address)
[22:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> Seems like GOCE is coming down within the hour.
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> I've wondered about fon as cheap net
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> hej Reb-SM3ULC , Hur är du?
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> (hope that Google is correct xD)
[22:17] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: Jag mår bra tack. Själv då?
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> Ganska bra, tack
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[22:18] <SpeedEvil> https://shop.fon.com/FonShop/shop/GB/ShopController;jsessionid=23D8A341B1A3477DD718AC5DC925D7B4.BillingCluster
[22:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: Du kan svenska? :)
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> then you can use any BT WiFi spot including random people's
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> only with the help of Google Translate :P
[22:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: aah :)
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:19] <mfa298> SpeedEvil: that's not bad.
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> I think, at least
[22:20] <mfa298> and if you don't want to share your internet I'm sure you could make use of an old sweet tin.
[22:21] <mfa298> might depend on how much FON you have locally (although at least some BT wifi stuff seems to be FON)
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> its not clear,to me why I can't take one of these, and then log into 10 local BT hotspots using !multiple antennas and bonding
[22:21] <SA6BSS_> Tjena ULC, har följt din tråd på HAM.se, väldigt intressant!! :) har nu satt upp en tracker i väntan på att en ballong ska vägen förbi här!
[22:22] <DL1SGP> good luck with that SA6BSS
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> yay Swedish Fraction established!
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:23] <SA6BSS_> indeed!! :)
[22:23] <DL1SGP> looks like it Lunar_Lander
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> Saab
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> Volvo
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> IKEA
[22:23] <mfa298> SpeedEvil: there's a nice map at http://corp.fon.com/en/maps
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:23] <DL1SGP> WASA!
[22:24] <mfa298> lots of FON points near me :)
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: yes
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :D
[22:24] <PB0NER> smørgasbord
[22:24] <DL1SGP> ok has been purchased by Barilla but shhh
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:25] <DL1SGP> Køtbullar :P
[22:27] <DL1SGP> great, I am hungry now
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thought we might have seen PAVA-B-27 by now ?
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[22:41] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Wasn't recovered
[22:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just got a last location report I guess given the light levels !
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[22:42] <craag> Yeah pitch black and not visible on the ground.
[22:42] <craag> Probably in trees/power lines.
[22:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Bit of a walk from the nearest road it seems as well !
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[22:49] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS_: hejhej, tänkte tipsa om denna kanal, men du hitade ju hit själv... (sri for the off-lang.. ;)
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[22:50] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: made a little post at ham.se forum in hope not to be the only possible tracker in sweden...
[22:50] <eroomde> http://www.foxnews.com/science/interactive/2013/11/08/track-europe-falling-2000-pound-satellite-in-real-time/
[22:50] <eroomde> still falling
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> Reb-SM3ULC, cool!
[22:51] <eroomde> now the rate each orbit is quite fast
[22:51] <eroomde> really not long, i don't think
[22:51] <Reb-SM3ULC> eroomde: isn't that what satelites always do? ;)
[22:51] <eroomde> ok, rate of change of radius is high, then
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[22:52] <Reb-SM3ULC> eroomde: the the predisct, 1-2 more orbits at teh most
[22:52] <eroomde> yeah
[22:52] <eroomde> it's lower already that it was on the north-south pass over the equator last time i looked
[22:52] <eroomde> which was always the lowest one
[22:52] <eroomde> it's gonna break into the 12xkm i think
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[22:55] <SA6BSS_> Have you all seen this? http://projectspaceballoon.net/
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[22:56] <Laurenceb_> any more passes over UK?
[22:57] <eroomde> would be 8am
[22:57] <eroomde> so no
[22:58] <eroomde> it's dropping mms per pass atm
[22:58] <eroomde> kms*
[22:58] <eroomde> the family is gathering around the bed
[22:59] <Vostok> https://twitter.com/OrbitOps/status/399670654401662976/photo/1
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[23:02] <eroomde> no luck
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[23:02] <lanfer> :0:0O G0AB>B0 C STS-10 ?
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[23:04] <lanfer> STS-10 frequensy ?
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[23:10] <Reb-SM3ULC> eroomde: "The central computer temperature is at 80ºC and the battery is at 84ºC.", frist temp yesterday was 40. heating up.. :)
[23:10] <eroomde> yup!
[23:10] <eroomde> it's coming down quick
[23:10] <eroomde> 135km still north of japan
[23:11] <eroomde> i wonder what the event horizon altitude is
[23:11] <eroomde> where it gets caught and will come down that orbit
[23:11] <eroomde> it's dropping at about 100mph vertically
[23:12] <eroomde> still doing 15000mph horizontally :)
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:12] <eroomde> the magneto torquers are staying on till the very end to keep it in its reduced drag profile
[23:12] <eroomde> which is a shame
[23:12] <eroomde> <130km now
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[23:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Which site are you watching then eroomde ?
[23:13] <eroomde> http://www.foxnews.com/science/interactive/2013/11/08/track-europe-falling-2000-pound-satellite-in-real-time/
[23:13] <eroomde> 127km still a good deal north of the equator
[23:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah http://www.satview.org/?sat_id=34602U
[23:14] <eroomde> 125km
[23:15] <eroomde> wonder where this data is coming from
[23:15] <eroomde> will we have actual good data as it goes over antarctica
[23:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Will it make Antartica ? its due down in the next 2 hours
[23:16] <lanfer> STS-10 frequenAy ?
[23:17] <eroomde> 122.59km that perigee
[23:17] <eroomde> back up again now
[23:17] <eroomde> it can do about 1.5 orbits in 2 hours in theory Geoff-G8DHE
[23:18] <eroomde> so it could be back round to the indian ocean again
[23:18] <eroomde> oh wait
[23:18] <eroomde> update!
[23:18] <eroomde> 107km
[23:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> eroomde: if it survived..
[23:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> where?
[23:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> url?
[23:18] <eroomde> argentina
[23:18] <eroomde> heading north
[23:18] <eroomde> http://www.foxnews.com/science/interactive/2013/11/08/track-europe-falling-2000-pound-satellite-in-real-time/
[23:18] <eroomde> this is surely it
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> argentina?
[23:19] <eroomde> yep
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> here it is between canada and greenland
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> on foxnews
[23:19] <eroomde> what alt?
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> 125 km
[23:19] <eroomde> yours is laggy i think
[23:19] <eroomde> 104km crossing the chilean border
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> refreshing
[23:20] <eroomde> this surely must be the end of it
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> no, site doesn't work
[23:20] <eroomde> being hammered
[23:20] <eroomde> 102km
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> entry interface about now
[23:20] <eroomde> still 7.95km/s
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> (I remember Apollo had it at about 125 km)
[23:20] <eroomde> 80km is when it really starts to suffer
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:21] <eroomde> looks like the middle of the US is gonna get a nice view
[23:21] <eroomde> now over peru
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> thats crazy low
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> 80km
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> when balloons have done 56
[23:21] <eroomde> it's now at 100km
[23:21] <eroomde> it's not at 80km yet, 80 is when it breaks apart
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> 56?
[23:22] <eroomde> 56km
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> isn't 53 the world record?
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> I thought the world record is 53 km, set by JAXA in 2003
[23:22] <eroomde> 7.96km/s
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> oh ok
[23:22] <eroomde> come on drag]
[23:22] <eroomde> do your thing
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> lol our smoke alarms went off due to our fireplace
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[23:23] <eroomde> approcahing nominal perigee
[23:24] <eroomde> 98.79km perigee
[23:24] <eroomde> on the way up again
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:24] <eroomde> but for how long...
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> not that long anymore
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> do you remember last year when ROSAT came down?
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> and I think just a week before that other satellite
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> UARS I think
[23:26] <Reb-SM3ULC> Sun 10 Nov 23:25UT #GOCE orbit 86.98 minutes 116.3 x 127.4 km Position 83.4N,151.2W alt=148.2km Dim Re-entry window
[23:26] <Laurenceb_> where is the temperature data?
[23:28] <Vostok> eroomde: according to how old elements?
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[23:28] <eroomde> dunno, it seems to be modelling decay well so not sure if they are normal elements
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[23:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> o well
[23:45] <Reb-SM3ULC> Rest in pieces!
[23:46] <eroomde> ?
[23:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> goce
[23:47] <Vostok> esa stopped their coverage for tonight
[23:47] <Vostok> won't reach the next ground station
[23:48] <eroomde> linky
[23:48] <Vostok> esaoperations at twitter
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[23:51] <Laurenceb_> its still going down...
[23:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think the predictions must be past there sell by date!
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[23:56] <Vostok> Laurenceb_: probably in the ocean already
[23:57] <Laurenceb_> forecast 04 UTC
[23:57] <Laurenceb_> it says
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