highaltitude.log.20131108

[00:02] <mfa298> for the few that are still awake, there's been a nice comment on the Airborne use forum from a pilot
[00:02] <mfa298> commenting that as a pilot they use HF frequencies very close to the amateur bands, so it seems silly that the CAA things that might pose a danger to aircraft.
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[00:09] <PB0NER> It is silly from the CAA, HF is used for traffic to HQ, not for flightcontrol, besides pilots do not know shit about radio...
[00:15] <PE2G> HF is also used by Oceanic Air Traffic Control, e.g: https://www.iaa.ie/nacs
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[00:18] <PB0NER> Not much traffic though
[00:18] <PB0NER> besides HF signals are not wide, so what is close?
[00:18] <PB0NER> procedures compensate for for 'lost' messages
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[00:19] <PB0NER> not anywere near HAM bands
[00:20] <fsphil> I occasionally hear the ATC in new york on HF
[00:20] <PB0NER> freq?
[00:21] <Laurenceb__> mfa298: a comment where?
[00:22] <PB0NER> indeed
[00:22] <fsphil> didn't make a note of the frequency
[00:22] <Laurenceb__> in CAA feedback?
[00:23] <Laurenceb__> i haven't been following the CAA shenanigans
[00:26] <mfa298> Laurenceb__: http://rsgbdata.net/litmus/viewforum.php?f=22
[00:26] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[00:26] <Laurenceb__> i havent visited that forum before
[00:31] <mfa298> its the rsgb consultation on various topics
[00:31] <mfa298> some of which seem to have turned more into a us vs them fight
[00:35] <Laurenceb__> heh
[00:36] <Laurenceb__> battery seems to be getting a bit low
[00:36] <Laurenceb__> we might see if the battery saving feature work
[00:36] <Laurenceb__> its supposed to reduce update rate/turn off gps and stuff to save battery at lower voltages
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[01:10] <PB0NER> you are keeping out of bed :)
[01:11] <PB0NER> +us
[01:14] <PE2G> Well, I'm going to bed, leave the set unattended
[01:14] <PE2G> Good night
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[01:44] <PB0NER> pe2g good night
[01:44] <PB0NER> I'm doing the same too
[01:46] <DL1SGP> I just dreamed of B-24 getting close and woke up from it... and I am just on the edge of blue circle lol
[01:46] <DL1SGP> good timing
[01:47] <PB0NER> morning DL1SGP
[01:49] <DL1SGP> goedenmorgen :)
[01:50] <DL1SGP> do you have the latest and greatest frequency info for me
[01:55] <PB0NER> 434.500.7 now here
[01:56] <PB0NER> I'm off to bed soon..
[01:58] <DL1SGP> slaap well, zacht droumen en bedankt allemal :)
[01:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> welterusten
[01:58] <PB0NER> jij bedank voor het overnemen van de stok:)
[01:58] <DL1SGP> heh
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[02:14] <PB0NER> i'm loosing it
[02:17] <DL1SGP> nothing here yet but listening
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[02:30] <PB0NER> off to bed.. only reds now
[02:30] <DL1SGP> slaap well
[02:33] <heathkid> is UpuWork or Upu still around? ping...
[02:33] <PB0NER> Danke!
[02:34] <PB0NER> gone here
[02:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> i lost b24 also now here
[02:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> i go to sleep now
[02:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> gn all
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[03:22] <DL1SGP> hearing the pips now and got a partial decode on the 03:18 frame :)
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[03:27] <DL1SGP> getting weaker again, I guess I will call it a day, leave the tracking to APRS and get a final bit of sleep, good night *
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[05:54] <x-f> gmorning
[05:54] <x-f> i've alerted Latvians and Poles
[05:55] <x-f> jedas, wanna try your hand in balloon tracking in the next few hours? :)
[05:56] <jedas> x-f, i really would like to, but mine gear is not up to that :) i have only wouxung 2way radio
[05:56] <jedas> with very poor antenna
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[05:56] <x-f> ah, ok then
[05:57] <jedas> it's your launch ?
[05:57] <x-f> i can recommend those cheap RTLSDR dongles
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[05:58] <jedas> i have few of them
[05:58] <jedas> but for tracking i bet you need external antenna for those ?
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[05:58] <blargo_> hey
[05:58] <x-f> depends on your location and surroundings
[05:58] <jedas> hey
[05:59] <jedas> I'm in Lithuania, quite tall building :)
[05:59] <x-f> you could receive the 10 mW indoors too if it's in the right direction
[05:59] <x-f> jedas, http://spacenear.us/tracker/ - it's a B-24 from UK
[05:59] <x-f> or APRS - http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=6&call=a%2FM0XER-3&timerange=86400&tail=86400
[06:00] <x-f> distributed listener network ran out of listeners, but APRS is still updating
[06:00] <jedas> when it could be over lithuania ?
[06:00] <jedas> o near
[06:01] <x-f> in an hour it will be above the horizon on the west coast
[06:01] <x-f> prediction shows it will be flying accross the border of Latvia and Lithuania
[06:01] <jedas> i'm in kaunas, but I'll setup my RTL setup, just in case :)
[06:01] <x-f> great :)
[06:02] <jedas> i've never did that though,so i might have a few questions, will you be here in an hour ?
[06:02] <x-f> yes, i will
[06:02] <jedas> great. i'll be back soon
[06:02] <x-f> you have already used dl-fldigi, haven't you?
[06:06] <jedas> yea
[06:07] <jedas> i've played with ssdv and it worked
[06:07] <jedas> just never tried 'live' reception
[06:07] <jedas> from sky
[06:07] <x-f> good, then you already know the basics
[06:08] <x-f> B-24 is transmitting beeps avery three seconds and two telemetry sentences every five minutes
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[06:16] <jedas> where i should tune ?
[06:16] <jedas> i have dl-fldigi running
[06:16] <jedas> sdr#
[06:16] <jedas> rtl plugged in
[06:16] <jedas> antenna near window outside
[06:17] <jedas> oh, i see freqeuncy, nevermind
[06:20] <x-f> it's still a bit out of the range for us :)
[06:20] <x-f> you have the stock antenna or is it something more 70cm-like?
[06:22] <jedas> unfortunatelly no, just a crappy one supplied with stick
[06:22] <jedas> anyway i'm going to see if i'll find something
[06:24] <x-f> if you have some wire around there, you could "extend" that antenna to 16 cm length (1/4 wave length for 434 MHz), that could help
[06:25] <jedas> hm, i remember, i've purchased 433mhz antenna from ebay, just connector is not the same, anyway, i'll just solder it
[06:26] <x-f> :)
[06:34] <jedas> ok, connected that antenna directly to the module
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[06:40] <andy_vk3yt> Hi, can any Admins approve our next flight ? 0c19e406e20ce78b89f3a0163d8953de
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[06:44] <Upu> hey andy_vk3yt doing it now
[06:44] <Upu> or someone did it already ?
[06:45] <Upu> sure that id is correct ?PSB-5 ?
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[06:51] <andy_vk3yt> Thanks UPU
[06:51] <andy_vk3yt> yes it is PSB-5
[06:52] <Upu> done
[06:52] <andy_vk3yt> Ta
[06:53] <Upu> nps have a good flight
[06:53] <andy_vk3yt> will be a good test on HF tracking
[06:54] <andy_vk3yt> we will have DominoEX8, JT65 and WSPR on the payload
[06:54] <Upu> what power ?
[06:54] <andy_vk3yt> 200mW
[06:54] <andy_vk3yt> we are testing now, WSPR got to 16,000km
[06:55] <andy_vk3yt> JT65 can be received by VK6 which is 2,600km away
[06:55] <Upu> interesting
[06:55] <andy_vk3yt> You might be able to hear JT65 there if the condition is right
[06:55] <Upu> I have no antenna
[06:55] <andy_vk3yt> ok!
[06:56] <Upu> lowest I go is 2m :)
[06:56] <andy_vk3yt> If anyone here have access to HF receivers, please check out projectspaceballoon.net for frequency info. we are running test for the next few days
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[07:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> andy_vk3yt: what fq?
[07:46] <Reb-SM3ULC> sri
[07:46] <Reb-SM3ULC> missed line
[07:50] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: what ar you using as a transmitter
[07:50] <Darkside> and what antenna
[07:50] <Darkside> how are you handling multipl bands with the one antenna
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[07:58] <Reb-SM3ULC> andy_vk3yt: i see you've been heard by KZ3X, smo 16000 km away.
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[08:05] <DL1SGP1> Andy, I set up the rig to listen on 20m WSPR for now, time for breakky but uploading spots in enabled :)
[08:06] <x-f> i got almost complete sentence from B-24
[08:07] <DL1SGP1> sweet x-f, I had no luck at 3am it came in partially but then again became too weal
[08:07] <DL1SGP1> *weak
[08:07] <DL1SGP1> so good luck for decoding :)
[08:08] <x-f> eek, you waited so late?
[08:08] <x-f> thanks, i'm trying :)
[08:08] <DL1SGP1> I woke up at 1:40 and could not resume sleep so I gave B-24 a try :)
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[08:14] <x-f> good morning, Yahoo
[08:15] <Yahoo> Labriit :)
[08:15] <x-f> labr+t :)
[08:15] <Yahoo> Good morning!
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[08:15] <Yahoo> 434.450 FMN?
[08:16] <x-f> 434.500 USB
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[08:16] <Yahoo> Tnx
[08:16] <x-f> i'm getting partials, no good decodes yet
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[08:32] <Yahoo> X-F, have You received any signal?
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[08:34] <x-f> Yahoo, i see beeps every three seconds on the waterfall
[08:34] <DL7AD> good morning
[08:35] <x-f> i was getting some partial decodes 20 minutes ago, but not now anymore
[08:35] <x-f> morning, DL7AD
[08:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> No signals at all in Sthlm and now hill is in the way.
[08:44] <jedas> x-f, no signal in lithuania yet
[08:45] <Yahoo> Strange, hope he`s not lost
[08:45] <x-f> jedas, it should be above your horizon, do you have a clear view to the north?
[08:46] <jedas> north-wesyt
[08:46] <jedas> so it should be almost los
[08:46] <x-f> this is a bit weird, i'm still getting the beeps every now and then, but nothing else
[08:46] <jedas> well, as i've mentioned my antenna is not very good
[08:46] <jedas> i'll try to align it better, with slight inclination
[08:47] <jedas> also my rtl reports wrong frequency
[08:47] <jedas> i need to tune to 434.46 mhz to be actually at 434.500
[08:47] <jedas> but i should see it in waterfall anyway
[08:47] <x-f> calibrate it and adjust the ppm value :)
[08:48] <jedas> i've just send signal on my wouxung radio, and tuned to that ffrequency
[08:48] <jedas> you are in latvia ?
[08:49] <x-f> yes, i'm on the map
[08:50] <jedas> oh i see
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[08:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good Morning Andy :-)
[08:55] <DL1SGP1> Good Morning Andy, Good Morning Steve, Good morning all
[08:55] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Felix
[08:56] <Andrew_M6GTG> morning all
[08:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Like the screenshot Andy, well done :-)
[08:57] <Andrew_M6GTG> not sure it would get very far on the bottom of a balloon ;-)
[08:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Well it's working
[08:58] <Andrew_M6GTG> just waiting for my GPS module, had it rigged up to laptop with an old USB GPS module, and it was forwarding the NMEA sentences to board!
[09:00] <Andrew_M6GTG> was much more work writing the 'forwarder' utility, but has the makings of a nice utility as can also playback capture files
[09:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh I see.
[09:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> What GPS module have you gone for?
[09:02] <Andrew_M6GTG> ublox 6, some ebay chinese special breakout board, with antenna
[09:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh yes, we had a conversation about it. Neo 6M
[09:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> I chose a uBlox Max7 for the VAYU-NTX board. http://flyha.be/17Ibr6R It's minute!
[09:06] <Andrew_M6GTG> nearly ended in disaster when Boris decided he wanted to clean the Arudino with his tongue - teach me to get it running in the lounge rather than the shack ;-)
[09:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[09:07] <x-f> B-24 still beeping - http://i.imgur.com/JGBsYg7.png
[09:08] <DL1SGP1> beep ... beep
[09:08] <x-f> i'd like to have some telemetry from it now, please
[09:08] <fsphil> it's not a morning payload
[09:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> I missed B-24. Tried when I found out about it but it was out of range I suspect
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[09:10] <DL1SGP> I did not have too much luck with it either Steve :)
[09:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Maybe Leo's next one Felix...
[09:11] <DL1SGP> If the winds permit :D
[09:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll try and send VAYU-2 over to you as well :D
[09:11] <DL1SGP> I heard it adn I got partial telemetry, but the time was a bit inconvenient to access the roof for making use of the Armstrong Rotator
[09:12] <DL1SGP> just do not add the little extra :) if it is too tempting just inhale it and perform a Mickey Mouse launch :)
[09:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-) LOL
[09:13] <Yahoo> <DL1SGP> ---- where is your dislocation?
[09:13] <fsphil> sounds painful
[09:14] <DL1SGP> lol
[09:14] <x-f> whoa, it transmitted DomEX for about two seconds and resumed beeping
[09:15] <DL1SGP> Yahoo crawls my website so often, it should know my location :)
[09:15] <DL1SGP> and possibly any dislocations
[09:16] <x-f> even weirder - it decoded as "Vbat 3.83, Vsol 0.56,"
[09:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Interesting prediction if I were to launch Sunday http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=cad6ac4bab724bfdd632a250806f83809066b9e4
[09:16] <Yahoo> ooh i can her him
[09:16] <DL1SGP> I am in the north of Germany Yahoo
[09:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> x-f: What's wrong with that? Battery 3.83 volts, Solar power .56 volts. Sounds right to me.
[09:18] <DL1SGP> Yahoo: Ar idigete programine "dl-fldigi"
[09:18] <x-f> Steve_G0TDJ, it was just that text not an UKHAS standard sentence
[09:18] <DL1SGP> ?
[09:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh I see
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[09:18] <Yahoo> Yes I`m using Fdidgi
[09:18] <DL1SGP> good :)
[09:19] <x-f> green!
[09:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> YAY! :D
[09:19] <Yahoo> Just came telemetry
[09:19] <LeoBodnar> morning gents!
[09:19] <UpuWork> morning
[09:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> LEO!
[09:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> HI Anthony
[09:19] <x-f> morning
[09:20] <DL1SGP> good morning Leo :D
[09:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well done again Leo, wish I had known B-24 was going up!
[09:21] <UpuWork> got some speed over night
[09:21] <LeoBodnar> Sneaked one in :D
[09:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[09:22] <LeoBodnar> GPS is locking up. Unglitcher seems to have reset it
[09:22] <LeoBodnar> I suspect dodgy module bought one eBay from China direct
[09:22] <LeoBodnar> Always go Upu for your GPS needs!
[09:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have a Max7 from Upu for my new board
[09:23] <LeoBodnar> It could possibly be engineering sample
[09:23] <LeoBodnar> Good choice!
[09:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can't wait to solder it.....
[09:25] <x-f> jedas, can you hear it now?
[09:25] <jedas> no :(
[09:25] <jedas> i've changed tuner, antenna, no beeps at all
[09:25] <UpuWork> I really should start selling stuff on ebay
[09:25] <jedas> i guess it's just a bad location
[09:26] <UpuWork> a lot of those breakouts on ebay route the RF under the chip against what it says in the data sheet
[09:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> You could clean up UpuWork
[09:27] <UpuWork> I can't compete with those 6M's
[09:28] <Andrew_M6GTG> *whistles* and looks guilty - what 6Ms? ;-)
[09:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> Speaking personally, I always look for qulaity over price
[09:29] <UpuWork> http://www.csgshop.com/product.php?id_product=62
[09:29] <UpuWork> note routed under chip
[09:29] <UpuWork> also note not for sale any more
[09:29] <UpuWork> yay
[09:29] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: everything except keyboards?
[09:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Yeah, OK, that was a quick fix ;-)
[09:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> That seems expensive UpuWork
[09:39] <andy_vk3yt> Darkside: sorry just got back. Antenna is dipole tuned for 30m.
[09:40] <Darkside> mm
[09:40] <Darkside> probably your bst bet
[09:40] <Darkside> i always get nervous flying dipoles
[09:40] <andy_vk3yt> Can you receive JT65?
[09:40] <Darkside> way too much wire in the air for my liking
[09:40] <Darkside> i cant receive any HF at the moment
[09:40] <Darkside> as i have no antenna up
[09:40] <andy_vk3yt> VK6XT has been getting telemetry from WA
[09:41] <Darkside> whate generating the HF?
[09:41] <andy_vk3yt> Rasp Pi
[09:41] <Darkside> with damn good filtering i hope
[09:41] <andy_vk3yt> LPF
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[09:41] <Darkside> switchd?
[09:42] <Darkside> since its going to be doing 40/30/20
[09:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> Good morning all
[09:42] <Darkside> you're gonna get harmonics on 20m from 40m
[09:42] <Darkside> i guess as long as it ends up in the data segment who cares :P
[09:43] <andy_vk3yt> We are testing with multiple LPF
[09:43] <Darkside> cool
[09:43] <Darkside> that'll be a better idea
[09:43] <Darkside> i havent flown an agile HF transmitter before, only fixd freq
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[09:44] <andy_vk3yt> 30m seems to be doing the best so far, up to 16,500km with WSPR
[09:44] <Darkside> mm
[09:44] <Darkside> well, good luck
[09:44] <Darkside> we havent flown HF sinc we had a payload land over powerlines
[09:44] <andy_vk3yt> thanks, if you have HF setup then please have a listen!
[09:44] <Darkside> yp
[09:44] <Darkside> i probably wont have anything up by then
[09:45] <Darkside> but we'll see
[09:45] <andy_vk3yt> Cool
[09:45] <andy_vk3yt> JT65 is pretty good so far, much better than DominoEX8
[09:46] <Darkside> well its A) much slower
[09:46] <Darkside> and B) has FEC
[09:46] <Darkside> so yes, it should work better
[09:46] <Darkside> THOR4 would b a strong contender though i think
[09:46] <andy_vk3yt> can fldigi receive THOR4?
[09:46] <Darkside> yep
[09:47] <Darkside> THOR is DominoEX + FEC + some other mods
[09:47] <Darkside> quite a bit more complicated to implement of course
[09:47] <andy_vk3yt> that would be nice, no need to mod to receiving SW for uploading
[09:47] <LazyLeopard> I guess the dipole on the powerlines wasn't a dipole for very long...
[09:47] <Darkside> LazyLeopard: there wasnt a dipole flying that launch :P
[09:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> I can try to listen. Have HF-stuff up, but only "random wire" cut for 40 m.
[09:48] <Darkside> but if there was, we would have started a bushfire
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[09:48] <Darkside> as it was long dry grass underneath it
[09:48] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Right.
[09:48] <LazyLeopard> That'd not be cool.
[09:48] <Darkside> which is why we havent flown HF payloads for a while
[09:48] <Darkside> yes.
[09:48] <Darkside> we'll only fly them if we know its going to land a long away away from powerlines
[09:49] <Darkside> we do NOT want to be responsible for starting a bushfire, or tripping a 275kv interconnect
[09:49] <DL1SGP> that could get costy
[09:49] <Darkside> i dont think WIA's insuranc will cover us for that :-)
[09:50] <Darkside> yes.
[09:50] <Darkside> anyway, gtg
[09:51] <DL1SGP> have a lovely evening
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[10:05] <x-f> 15km distance, 24deg elevation :)
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[10:10] <Reb-SM3ULC> cool
[10:19] <x-f> 55km now, it is speeding away
[10:19] <jedas> maybe you could see it in 15 km with binoculars :)
[10:19] <jedas> it's ashame that weather is bad
[10:20] <daveake> Doubt it. I've tried to see one of Leo's foil balloons from 5km with 600mm lens and couldn't
[10:20] <x-f> i'm not at home either
[10:21] <jedas> mm, yea, they probably too small
[10:23] <mfa298> only chance you're likely to have of spotting it is if the sun was reflecting off it.
[10:24] <DL1SGP> so never gonna happen in UK
[10:24] <DL1SGP> unless you can see through rainclouds :D
[10:24] Action: mfa298 wonders how a 10m latex @40km compares in size to a 36" foil @5km - I might have to remember some trig!
[10:26] <jedas> foild would shine in the evening, when sun reflect from it. you can spot satelites easy in such condutions
[10:26] <daveake> 8 times as far and 11 times larger
[10:26] <daveake> don't think we need trig for this :)
[10:27] <mfa298> that was roughtly my thinking.
[10:27] <mfa298> and spotting latex balloons is hard enough
[10:27] <daveake> I think the problem wasn't the size of the floater in the sky, but the number of floaters in my eyes :p
[10:28] <jedas> :)
[10:30] <mfa298> from the experiene of craag and myself I think you have to get your location and timing just right to have the best chance of spotting anything
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[10:31] <fsphil> computer aimed camera would be ideal for that
[10:31] <mfa298> Sun low down and behind you (so early morning or evening)
[10:31] <mfa298> in some ways winter might be a better time for hab spotting with a lower sun.
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[10:34] <eroomde> good point
[10:40] <kokey> I suppose you might make it nicely visible if you hang reflective ribbons
[10:42] <eroomde> is this for picos or normal habs?
[10:42] <craag> picos are probably as reflective as they can be already
[10:43] <craag> not much more room in <2m to add anything
[10:43] <mfa298> someone was asking about trying to spot Leo's floater with binolculars
[10:44] <craag> Yeah, only if the sun glints off, then it could be a plane, iridium sat, ...
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[11:09] <eroomde> i think binos with Image stabilisation would be the way
[11:09] <eroomde> i was quite astonished at what a difference IS made when i had a go
[11:09] <eroomde> i could resolve much much finer stuff, I could actually study craters on the moon and so on
[11:10] <eroomde> I was so impressed that they're on the christmas list, even though i didn't really think i needed binoculars in my life
[11:13] <Reb-SM3ULC> struct christmas_list { char string[256]; struct christmas_list * next; }
[11:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> sri
[11:14] <DL7AD> B-24 stopped transmitting
[11:15] <mfa298> my problem with things like decent bino's or camera is that there are times they would be nice to have, but then I realise if I owned them I'd probably have not taken then with me as I didn't think I'd use them.
[11:16] <mfa298> I've got a small pair of bino's that live in the car glovebox and get used occasionally.
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[11:19] <eroomde> yeah, i think i'd keep mine innthe CAR
[11:19] <eroomde> er, car
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Think B-24 passed out of range of the Latvia stations DL7AD
[11:20] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: i also have a small pair that is easy to have in my backpack
[11:20] <x-f> B-24 went silent again, Geoff
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh right just zoomed back out and seen it was only the Green circle not the blue!
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[11:21] <DL1SGP> rest in pieces dear B-24, feel free to report back via APRS any time if you are still alive :)
[11:21] <LeoBodnar> x-f: is it still beeping or just dead?
[11:23] <x-f> LeoBodnar, i think it's completely silent now
[11:23] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
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[11:24] <x-f> eastside is not great for me though
[11:24] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M
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[11:28] <x-f> position update on snus and aprs.fi
[11:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> oh
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[11:39] <eroomde> Reb-SM3ULC, should we send it to this guy? bit.ly/vqWEiY
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[11:51] <Reb-SM3ULC> eroomde: could be a way.. :)
[11:51] <eroomde> tenuous play on link's christmas list
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[12:06] <adamgreig> eroomde: any email address for carl m?
[12:06] <adamgreig> or is trying to email him pointless
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[12:07] <eroomde> very probably pointless
[12:07] <eroomde> i have no idea what it is anyway
[12:07] <eroomde> whyda need it?
[12:07] <adamgreig> alumni dinner
[12:07] <adamgreig> but yea he appears to just not be possible to contact so nevermind
[12:08] <eroomde> i was going to try and hunt him down
[12:08] <eroomde> i'l send out a ouple of emails
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[12:25] <Maxell> sweet mother of all floating balloons http://aprs.fi/#!mt=terrain&z=5&call=a%2FM0XER-11%2Ca%2FM0XER-1%2Ca%2FM0XER-2%2Ca%2FM0XER-3&timerange=604800&tail=604800
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[12:27] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ -> Steve_G0TDJ_AFK
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[12:40] <craag> Wow that aprs really does work well
[12:40] <craag> even at really low power!
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[12:48] <UpuWork> 20mW
[12:48] <UpuWork> impressive :)
[12:50] <craag> Now imagine if APRS used turbo-coding, a bit of FEC and was MSK-modulated. Could probably do it with 2mW :P
[12:53] <fsphil> how dare you suggest improvements to aprs ;)
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[12:55] <UpuWork> <marquee>Under Construction</marquee>
[12:55] <craag> :)
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[13:03] <Maxell> craag: thats no fun for APRS
[13:03] <Hix> aren't they B-X flights?
[13:03] <Maxell> I like the fact I can decode it with my smartphone across the room if I turn up my HT's audio level
[13:03] <Maxell> Hix: yep
[13:04] <Hix> thought so
[13:04] <Maxell> M0XER-3 is B-24, the most recent
[13:06] <craag> Hix: Here's a nice map of B-24 and the igates/digis that received it.
[13:06] <craag> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=5&call=a%2FM0XER-3&timerange=345600&tail=345600
[13:06] <Maxell> https://twitter.com/APRSdroid/status/398796356061388800
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[13:25] <UpuWork> LeoBodnar is going to run out of APRS suffixes
[13:26] <UpuWork> do we think its died
[13:26] <UpuWork> given both APRS and 70cms appear to have stopped ?
[13:26] <UpuWork> or just range
[13:27] <Ge0rG> russia has very low aprs density
[13:27] <UpuWork> yup
[13:27] <UpuWork> its going straight towards Moscow though
[13:27] <Ge0rG> how long would it take to get there?
[13:27] <UpuWork> not long its got some wind behing it
[13:27] <UpuWork> behind it
[13:28] <UpuWork> 3 hours ?
[13:28] <Ge0rG> it's two hours since the last beacon already
[13:28] <Ge0rG> now I'm sad my app does not have an igate button
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[13:31] <craag> Well, doesn't have one right now... that could be fixed right? ;)
[13:34] <Ge0rG> craag: it could be. but merely adding another button won't quite do it
[13:35] <craag> Oh yeah I know, I was kidding.
[13:35] <craag> It's an awesome app btw
[13:37] <Ge0rG> tnx. feel free to bug me with further ideas
[13:41] <eroomde> or idea you with further bugs
[13:42] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[13:43] <Ge0rG> that as well, yes
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[13:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G congrats wth the lot of green lines of B-24
[13:58] <PE2G> Thanks Herman-PB0AHX :)
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[14:01] <PE2G> Lost it around 3:20 UTC due to low tx-power and some QRM
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[14:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> i lost him wen i go to my bed hihihihi
[14:14] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX, I went to bed at ~01 UTC. Left rx and pc running
[14:14] <PB1DFT> we all seem to have lost it around the same time
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[14:16] <fsphil> I never had it
[14:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> it wat a dutch day yesyterday hihihi lol fun
[14:17] <PE2G> fsphil, you need a south-easterly wind?
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[14:18] <PB1DFT> nah not fun... to damn l8 and to few packages heard...
[14:19] <Herman-PB0AHX> terry i have the cat now
[14:19] <Herman-PB0AHX> car
[14:21] <fsphil> well north westerly PE2G , so some of these picos can head my way :)
[14:22] <PE2G> Ah
[14:22] <craag> fsphil: south-easterly means from the south east surely?
[14:22] <fsphil> does it? I can never remember
[14:23] Action: craag just googled it. yep.
[14:23] <craag> :P
[14:23] <fsphil> ok then, south easterly :p
[14:23] <PE2G> craag, yes coming from the SE
[14:23] <fsphil> my system is better
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[15:00] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[15:03] <Hix> nats` you about?
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[15:08] <nats`> ?
[15:09] <nats`> I didn't understand Hix
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[15:10] <Hix> you annswered my question by answering :D
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[15:10] <nats`> oO
[15:10] <Hix> nats` Your friend that was speaking to eroo.. about programming. He said he worked with imaging. Do you know what sort?
[15:10] Action: nats` must be dumb and still doesn't understand :D
[15:10] <nats`> ohh yes
[15:11] <nats`> he was working on video in fact
[15:11] <nats`> encoding and decoding for hardware encoder
[15:11] <nats`> some stuff for tv streaming and broadcast on internet
[15:12] <nats`> if you want to see some of his public code you have juicy pixel
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[15:14] <Hix> ah, no. Its not the field I was looking for insight into. Got some work which relates to CGI sort of stuff
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[15:14] <Hix> well the physics behind it
[15:17] <nats`> I know he's fucking good at algorithm and such stuff (math) but don't know for physics
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[15:17] <nats`> if you have a specific question I can ask him
[15:17] <nats`> or you mail him :)
[15:17] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
[15:18] <DL1SGP> SP3OSJ: -16m ... please take a picture of the impact crater
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[15:38] <Hix> sorry nats` work interlude. It's ok. I'm looking in #blender. thx
[15:38] <nats`> :)
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[16:44] <rogerponts> Hi, what do you recommend me if I have never made Arduino code ? I need to learn C++ ?
[16:46] <eroomde> yes, although there is probably enough arduino-focussed material out there to learn bits as you go along
[16:46] <eroomde> rather than learning c++ as a separate exercise
[16:48] <rogerponts> ok, thanks !
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[17:02] <nats`> c++ on uC in my opinion that's evil
[17:02] <nats`> like eroomde said learn C++ on a real machine and keep C/asm for uC
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[17:05] <eroomde> nats`, however, arduino is C++
[17:05] <eroomde> nominally
[17:06] <nats`> yep let me rephrase better to learn how to code on avr with C :)
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[17:06] <eroomde> well yes, that's my opinion too
[17:06] <eroomde> but 7-8 years of saying that on here is a bit Cnut-ey
[17:07] <nats`> don't lost hope :)
[17:07] <nats`> The truth will survive :D
[17:07] <nats`> too much ugly stuff on arduino library
[17:08] <nats`> first point mix between polled fucntion and interrupted function
[17:08] <nats`> that's a mess
[17:08] <mfa298> for people just starting out with uC then arduino and C++ is a good starting place, once they've got a handle on how uCs work that's the time to start removing some of the Arduino wrappings and get closer to the hardware
[17:08] <nats`> but why not providing C code with nice function
[17:09] <nats`> it's the C++ choice the problem for me
[17:09] <nats`> that's clearly not a recommended language for small arch
[17:09] <mfa298> that sounds like you've just volunteered
[17:09] <nats`> nop because if you check existing library you already have some nice C code
[17:10] <nats`> and the second problem is like I said the inconsistency of the library for arduino
[17:10] <nats`> they should have a guideline
[17:10] <nats`> because explain to a newby why when he load the mega SPI library everything stop working
[17:10] <mfa298> For arduino I'd guess the reason for using C++ is that you can wrapper things in a class so it starts to look a bit more like things people are used to.
[17:10] <nats`> maybe I didn't do much object code
[17:11] <nats`> time to go home :)
[17:11] <eroomde> i think polymorphism is a nice model on microcontrollers, eg for setting up specific uarts with specific settings from some base uart class
[17:12] <eroomde> but equally that's nothing you can't do with pre-processor templates
[17:12] <eroomde> er, macros
[17:12] <eroomde> was still thinking of c++
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[17:22] <bertrik> Does anyone recognise these boards : https://revspace.nl/Pico_Trackers ?
[17:23] <bertrik> plans are materialising now to actually launch them, but I don't know who made them, don't have the schematic, or software for it
[17:24] <Maxell> https://revspace.nl/images/8/84/AbL99Qj.jpg
[17:24] <Maxell> yeah
[17:24] <Maxell> bertrik: software would be easy: it's an arduino nano afaik
[17:24] <Maxell> or al least program it liek that
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> Err - why wouldn't you make a tracker for which you have designs?
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[17:27] <bertrik> we have PCB's for it already, and a BOM, it's a proven design as far as I know, I just don't know the schematic
[17:27] <Maxell> SpeedEvil: since we already have these pcbs :P
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> Why do you think it's proven?
[17:27] <Maxell> because science
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[17:28] <Willdude123> Ping Upu/UpuWork
[17:28] <Ge0rG> hey SpeedEvil :)
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> hey
[17:28] <Maxell> no seriously SpeedEvil, because we want to go pico and already have these boards
[17:29] <Maxell> not flying it would be a waste of the PCB's
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes - but if you don't have good knowledge that they actually work peoprly - ...
[17:29] <eroomde> you can use them as drinks coasters
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[17:29] <eroomde> i have some very fetching pcb-drinks coasters
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> PCBs are the cheapest part of the design almost
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[17:30] <Maxell> SpeedEvil: we only will know for sure if we solder them
[17:30] <eroomde> pcbs are probably the most expensive outlay for a flight computer
[17:30] <eroomde> not per board
[17:30] <eroomde> but they don't get made per board
[17:30] <eroomde> they get made as a fixed cost for multiple
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> If you don't have the schematic - how do you have the BOM?
[17:31] <eroomde> so if you just want to launch a hab, the pcb is likely the most expensive bit
[17:31] <Maxell> well, Costyn got them
[17:31] <Maxell> might got them for free, or paid for em
[17:31] <Maxell> but we never launched a pico before he moved out of .nl
[17:32] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ndigea82x5ljqg/2013-11-08%2017.30.11.jpg
[17:32] <eroomde> my pcb drinks coaster
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-2-Layers-PCB-Production-Manufacturer-Prototype-Printed-Circuit-Board-5x5CM-/190953375115?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c75b5458b - 20 quid for 10 5cm*5cm double sided
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.spiritcircuits.com/services/go-naked
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> free
[17:35] <eroomde> yay soldermask free pcbs
[17:35] <eroomde> that's gonna be just great on all those fine-pitch parts
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[17:35] <eroomde> why not just attach everything with solidcore and pot it in glue
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: :)
[17:37] <eroomde> i have done that actually
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: I have seriously been investigating that.
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: Though enamelled copper wire using an automated laser stripper and solderer
[17:37] <eroomde> but it was just for a little bnc-bnc isolation transformer thing
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[17:45] <ibanezmatt13> evening
[17:46] <mfa298> evening Matt
[17:46] <ibanezmatt13> I've had a long week this week. Now I can relax :-)
[17:48] <eroomde> got lots done
[17:48] <db_g6gzh> Looking for batteries for RC heli and I find http://miniaviation.com/Leo_Charge.html
[17:49] <ibanezmatt13> got a hell of a lot done. yes
[17:50] <ibanezmatt13> I think I'm slowly becoming an engineer. I actually *want* to have a go at some maths Q's right now :O
[17:50] <ibanezmatt13> That's just weird
[17:51] <eroomde> i rarely feel that :)
[17:51] <eroomde> but i sort of know about enough maths to solve some useful problems
[17:51] <ibanezmatt13> yep, I guess it's a good thing anyway
[17:52] <ibanezmatt13> by the way eroomde, fantastic book. Not sure if you saw my PM messages the other night, but yeah it's awesome
[17:52] <eroomde> if you want more gentle background tasks, I'd recommend that book Think Bayes. not for any real goal, just because seeing the universe in a bayesian way is sort of the correct way to see the universe
[17:52] <eroomde> yeah it's a good book isn't it
[17:53] <ibanezmatt13> it is. I will probably start that Bayes book after this one. I might know a bit more maths/stats by then
[17:53] <ibanezmatt13> we might have finished S1 :)
[17:53] <eroomde> it doesn't really assume anything
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[17:53] <eroomde> and S1 probably won't help
[17:54] <ibanezmatt13> I might become slightly more mathematically able, to understand it then.
[17:55] <eroomde> oh well actually it might
[17:55] <eroomde> i forgot what was in it
[17:55] <ibanezmatt13> :
[17:55] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[17:56] <eroomde> i seem to remember it was a bit unsatisfactory
[17:56] <eroomde> in terms of just stating stuff at you
[17:56] <ibanezmatt13> I see
[17:56] <eroomde> like, the standard deviation of you estimate of something goes with 1/sqrt(n) where n are samples of that thing
[17:56] <eroomde> well..... why!?
[17:56] <eroomde> it was more like a cook book
[17:56] <eroomde> secondary education was all a bit unsatisfying like that
[17:57] <ibanezmatt13> ah
[17:57] <eroomde> whereas i think Think Bayes is more about the way of thinking about it, which I think is more useful
[17:57] <Willdude123> Hi
[17:57] <ibanezmatt13> That's probably the way to go.
[17:57] <ibanezmatt13> Hi Will
[17:58] <eroomde> but yep, if you'll have finished S1 by then anyway, it'll all help
[17:58] <eroomde> also learning C would be a fun background activity because it all boils down to C
[17:59] <ibanezmatt13> Writing the NORB 3 software helped a lot with learning C
[17:59] <eroomde> Learn C The Hard Way would probably be a good thing. again, not with any particular end date in mind
[17:59] <eroomde> it's just useful little and often
[18:00] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I tried that but it was all very confusing. I may understand a little better now
[18:00] <eroomde> yep
[18:00] <eroomde> take it slow
[18:01] <eroomde> you probably tried to do 5 chapters in one day or something, moving on before digesting what came before
[18:01] <mfa298> I think C is one of those things where you can find a lot of things don't make sense intially but suddenly all the bits come together and it becomes more obvious
[18:02] <eroomde> that way lies madness and frustration
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[18:02] <fsphil> You never stop learning C
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[18:05] <ibanezmatt13> My internet failed, I logged into a chanel I made up, and starting talking to myself thinking I'd got admin power with the @ in front of my username :P
[18:08] <fsphil> speaking of C, is there a way to read a register on the AVR and ignore the result, without causing a compiler error?
[18:08] <fsphil> warning even
[18:08] <fsphil> like flushing the uart buffer
[18:09] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: maybe you need to start using an IRC client on a machine with a permanent internet connection
[18:10] <ibanezmatt13> Good idea
[18:10] <ibanezmatt13> Unfortunately, after BT saying they'd install it last Friday, and not turning up, I have to wait until one of their incompetent engineers decides to come do it.
[18:11] <mfa298> knowing BT that could be a long wait
[18:12] <ibanezmatt13> well it's been a week, no sign of them coming yet
[18:12] <fsphil> ah, (void) UDR0; -- I bet the compiler opimised that out
[18:14] <mattbrejza> fsphil: can you just clear a status register bit?
[18:14] <bertrik> I think you can avoid that by making UDR0 volatile
[18:14] <fsphil> UDR0 should already be declared volatile by avr-libc
[18:15] <bertrik> but I don't really know how IO works on AVR
[18:15] <fsphil> mattbrejza: possibly. will check the datasheet
[18:15] <fsphil> the UDR0 register sits in front of a two byte buffer
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[18:19] <eroomde> fsphil,
[18:19] <eroomde> extern char fckoff;
[18:20] <eroomde> fckoff = blah, wherever it's needed
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[18:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: is it BT's fault that the .uk is behind in the broadband race?
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[18:26] <mfa298> I'm not sure it's necessarily their fault that we're behind other places.
[18:27] <mfa298> Some of that I think is due to us being one of leaders in original telephony so a lot of the installed infrastructure is old.
[18:27] <mfa298> they've had to install a lot of fibre into the ground for things like FTTC as previously it was all km's worth of multicore bundles of twisted pair
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[18:29] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: ah, maybe so. just read bbc news for so long and allways these news about "fast internet" and it's been way behind and i never had a good explanation for it.
[18:33] <fsphil> eroomde: (void) UDR0; does the job, the disassembly shows it reading and ignoring the register
[18:34] <fsphil> and I save 5 bytes, woo
[18:34] <eroomde> my solution was slightly tongue-in-cheek
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[18:34] <fsphil> it wasn't far from what I was originally doing :)
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[18:39] <mikestir> fsphil: is (void)reg guaranteed to do a read even on a volatile or is that just observed behaviour?
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[18:43] <fsphil> mikestir: not sure if it's a guaranteed behaviour. just observed how it compiled it here
[18:44] <mikestir> fwiw, in that situation I usually do something like volatile uint8_t dummy; dummy = reg;
[18:44] <fsphil> if it wasn't volatile I think it wouldn't do anything
[18:44] <fsphil> it complains about dummy not being used
[18:44] <mikestir> even if it's volatile?
[18:45] <fsphil> if it's volatile it reads it into a register
[18:45] <fsphil> then ignores it
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[18:49] <ve6ts> time for another balloon order
[18:50] <ve6ts> i'm getting some 100g latex this time
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[19:19] <mfa298> hmmm, the One show has pushed food into new territory for HABbers, Bacon flavoured marshmallows
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[19:22] <Upu_M0UPU> evening
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[19:25] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU, sorry to disturb you but my server changed node, and subsequently changed IP.
[19:25] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[19:25] <Willdude123> I need vps.willdover.co.uk changed to the new IP
[19:25] <Upu_M0UPU> whats new IP ?
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[19:27] <Willdude> Sorry, internet dodgy
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[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> whats new IP ?
[19:28] <Willdude> 198.23.244.62
[19:29] <Upu_M0UPU> done
[19:29] <Upu_M0UPU> mail me next time
[19:29] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
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[19:32] <PE0SAT> Hi Herman-PB0AHX
[19:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> hoi jan
[19:34] <PE0SAT> How are things overthere?
[19:34] <bertrik> Upu_M0UPU: can you identify/recognise this board https://revspace.nl/Pico_Trackers ?
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[19:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> very well jan but very bussy hihihi lol
[19:34] <PE0SAT> I hope nice things Herman-PB0AHX
[19:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> i need other antenne for satelite but dont know witch
[19:35] <Upu_M0UPU> looks like a clone of the picos out there
[19:35] <PE0SAT> 2m and 70cm?
[19:35] <Upu_M0UPU> TPS62100
[19:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes
[19:35] <PE0SAT> M2
[19:35] <Upu_M0UPU> no resistors so 3.3V
[19:35] <Upu_M0UPU> BMP085
[19:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> i dont know
[19:35] <Upu_M0UPU> its not one I've seen before, bertrik
[19:35] <PE0SAT> There isn't much choice
[19:36] <PE0SAT> I have the MasPRO as you now.
[19:36] <bertrik> Upu_M0UPU: costyn got those about half a year ago and left them at the hacker space, I thought you might recognise them, perhaps even sold them at some point
[19:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes i like it but no more in shop
[19:36] <Upu_M0UPU> no I don't sell my picos
[19:36] <PE0SAT> I am thinking of adding two 32elm Cue Dee's for 70cm
[19:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> i know the maspro is very good i lost the mine in a storm
[19:37] <PE0SAT> I know, you could check Gulf Alpha
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[19:37] <seventeen> Isleoflying needs a tweetbot.
[19:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> gulf alfa ??
[19:38] <PE0SAT> http://gulfalphaantennas.com/
[19:38] Action: bertrik keeps reading that as "isle of lying" somehow ... :|
[19:38] <PE0SAT> They look great
[19:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> i go look
[19:40] <PE0SAT> Herman-PB0AHX: Look at this url: http://gulfalphaantennas.com/satellite%20yagi%20sub%20index.html
[19:40] <x-f> seventeen, it's a social network - first who spots it on the map, informs others about it :)
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[19:40] <seventeen> leo is flying.
[19:41] <x-f> yep, like that :)
[19:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx info jan very nice to see more antennes that i can chosen
[19:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> sory for my writing enlisch
[19:42] <PE0SAT> Are looking for circulair Herman-PB0AHX ?
[19:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes circulair
[19:43] <PE0SAT> Then there isn't much choice. Maybe build them yourself?
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[19:46] <Herman-PB0AHX> i have not much time for that jan
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[19:47] <DL1SGP> welcome B-25 :P
[19:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> ge Leo
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[19:48] <PE0SAT> Lets see if me can receive B-25 ;-)
[19:49] <DL1SGP> hee fingers crossed PE0SAT
[19:49] <PE0SAT> DL1SGP: Yes!
[19:49] Action: bertrik warms up the R820T rtlsdr
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[19:51] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> I@m glad I looked at the screen! Anyone got a freq for B-25?
[19:51] <PE0SAT> Question, DominoEX16 uses USB on 434.500?
[19:51] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_AFK -> Steve_G0TDJ
[19:51] <DL1SGP> yes
[19:51] <DL1SGP> hi steve
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[19:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Felix
[19:51] <DL1SGP> b-25 in air, so you do not miss it this time :)
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[19:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, I just spotted it
[19:51] <DL1SGP> phiew
[19:51] <Joel_re> just came across this http://web.tifr.res.in/~bf/BalloonProduction.html
[19:51] <DL1SGP> :D
[19:51] <Joel_re> you guys might find it interesting
[19:52] <Joel_re> and http://web.tifr.res.in/~bf/Flightrecord.html
[19:52] <Joel_re> those balloons they send carry a ton of weigth
[19:52] <Joel_re> weight*
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[19:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> Have we got any detials of Leo's flight?
[19:53] <DL1SGP> I guess same as last flight steve
[19:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK I'll scan around .500
[19:54] <DL1SGP> though
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[19:54] <DL1SGP> this has a 1.5V battery
[19:54] <DL1SGP> B-24 was a bit different on that aspect
[19:54] <DL1SGP> but tech wise it might be pretty much the same
[19:55] <G8KNN> It's not as strong as B-24 was Steve_G0TDJ
[19:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK G8KNN What's your dial?
[19:56] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[19:56] <G8KNN> Usual .500 dial, cursor 1.3kHz although radios still warming up :-)
[19:57] <fsphil> B-25 already?
[19:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK. Nothing here at the moment. Needs to be higher.
[19:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Leo is nothing if not prolific fsphil
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[19:58] <fsphil> so true
[19:58] <fsphil> I'm still building my last payload since before he went on holiday :)
[19:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[19:59] <G8KNN> Leo has a surface mount machine though :)
[19:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, I'm going to watch the waterfall from afar and catch a little TV :-)
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[20:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> go go jan for B-25
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[20:07] <PE0SAT> Herman-PB0AHX: not high enough
[20:10] <DutchMillbt> Good evening all what is the dail frequency for B25?
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[20:12] <G8KNN> DutchMillbt: 434.500
[20:12] <PE0SAT> 434.500
[20:12] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[20:13] <DutchMillbt> oke thankz tuning in
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[20:17] <PE0SAT> Herman-PB0AHX: How did you get on the map from spacenear.us?
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[20:20] <Andrew_M6GTG-2> B-25 on usual frequency?
[20:21] <Boggle_mint> Andrew_M6GTG-2: yes
[20:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> jan i do it with dldigi-hab
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[20:22] <Andrew_M6GTG-2> thanks.. odd not getting anything
[20:24] <PE0SAT> Hi Wouter-[pa3weg]
[20:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hi jan
[20:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> taking apart 14GHz SSPA, so not able to type
[20:24] <PE0SAT> Wouter-[pa3weg]: good luck
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[20:26] <PE0SAT> Herman-PB0AHX: that what I use also
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[20:31] <mfa298> PE0SAT: you need to enter your callsign on the Operator tab and location (Lat/Long/Alt) on the DL-Client-Location tab
[20:32] <mfa298> dl-fldigi also needs to started in HAB mode
[20:32] <mfa298> and you'll disappear off the map after around 24 hours.
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[20:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> jan then u are not filing the feelds in the tab dlclients oa locator and more look in fl-dldigi in the tab dlclients
[20:38] <tweetBot> @nerdsville: B-25 High Altitude Balloon currently flying http://t.co/wctKvYnuZE visit http://t.co/uwf3jwzN6S on how to receive & track it #hab #ukhas
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[20:42] <PE0SAT> mfa298: Thanks, I already did. I wasn't running in hab mode
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[20:43] <PE0SAT> Is B25 constantly transmitting
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[20:46] <x-f> jedas, if you're around, Polish trackers report 437.702 MHz for SP3OSJ, and good luck tracking it :)
[20:46] <Andrew_M6GTG-2> PE0SAT get beeps every couple of seconds, data every 3-5 minutes
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[20:47] <PE0SAT> Andrew_M6GTG-2: thanks for the info
[20:48] <Andrew_M6GTG-2> the beep is at the centre of the DominoEx so you can line up the cursor, not getting anything here at the moment
[20:49] <jedas> x-f: thanks, it was actually what i was doing. no success. i've 'ordered' preamp for my crapy RTL ;)
[20:49] <PE0SAT> Also no reception over here in the south of the Netherlands
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[21:05] <Herman-PB0AHX> can sombody tel me exact freq from B-25 ??
[21:06] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.500
[21:06] <Upu_M0UPU> pretty much dead center
[21:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> exact 500 ??
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[21:07] <bertrik> plus a bit of offset to get into the audio range on USB I guess
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[21:09] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok tnx info
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[21:10] <iain_g4sgx> Evening all.
[21:11] <DL1SGP> Hi iain_g4sgx, good evening
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[21:12] <bertrik> looks like B-25 is about to reach float altitude
[21:14] <DL1SGP> also current prediction looks like a straight aim for polar circle
[21:14] <chrisg7ogx> no blips and nothing heard after 5 mins, lots of static tonight..
[21:14] <DL1SGP> though that would still be a tad south of it if I remember correct :D
[21:15] <DL1SGP> ah chrisg7ogx sorry to hear
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[21:17] <chrisg7ogx> tks heavy rain in North Sea also
[21:17] <iain_g4sgx> Its coming straight over me tonight, but my mast is down and its raining hard. Still no sig although im in the blue area. Alas my mast is inflatable so it comes inside this weekend for the winter.
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[21:20] <iain_g4sgx> Although im tempted to nip out and quickly blow it up
[21:22] <DL1SGP> is that one of the old military inflatable antenna masts iain?
[21:22] <ve6ts> i have one of those
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[21:23] <iain_g4sgx> yep, scam 12..
[21:24] <iain_g4sgx> nice bit of kit but doesnt like being out in the ice, it leaks water inside and blows the seals
[21:25] <PE0SAT> Herman-PB0AHX: You should be hearing something?
[21:25] <Upu_M0UPU> interesting flight path
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[21:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> not yet jan
[21:31] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> nothing here either
[21:31] <iain_g4sgx> Strange, stil no sigs, is it 434.5 as normal? Is it normal power?
[21:32] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm struggling a little with it
[21:33] <iain_g4sgx> is it running 2m APRS again thru the same LPF?
[21:34] <DL1SGP> I think G8KNN reported it to be significantly weaker than B-24 if I remember correct
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[21:35] <SpeedEvil> http://www.thinkatheist.com/profiles/blogs/bill-nye-bood-in-texas-for
[21:36] <Upu_M0UPU> called waco for a reason ?
[21:36] <Upu_M0UPU> it isn't the strongest signal
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[21:37] <Upu_M0UPU> my 817 on a colinear can't even see it
[21:37] <Upu_M0UPU> only the FCD with a Habamp is getting it here
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[21:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> stil nothing til now from B-25
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[21:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> grgrgr
[21:39] <PE0SAT> Nope
[21:40] <DutchMillbt> Nope
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[21:44] <iain_g4sgx> Think you were right upu, tracing by APRS is a lot less fun and involving for us trackers.
[21:45] <Upu_M0UPU> It was jcoxon who said it but I agree, which is why I don't put the APRS on the map unless there are no 70cms Rx'ers
[21:45] <Upu_M0UPU> APRS won't kick in until it leaves UK airspace anyway
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[21:45] <DL1SGP> and there are not many digis over north sea :D
[21:46] <Herman-PB0AHX> <DutchMillbt> u hrd someting now ??
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[21:47] <arko> iain_g4sgx: if you are interested, im starting a website within a month to bring us hab people together
[21:47] <DutchMillbt> Herman: a weak signal @434.498.70 ??
[21:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok tnx
[21:47] <arko> start a new network capable of change and socializing
[21:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: you have lastest pred url?
[21:47] <db_g6gzh> It's weaker, I've got the HABamp in (thanks again Upu 8-) ) and it's about the same strength as earlier flights were without the amp.
[21:47] <DutchMillbt> and local traffic in phone...grrr
[21:48] <DL1SGP> I was following the one on the map Reb-SM3ULC
[21:48] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: ah
[21:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes i hrd the foon grgrgr
[21:49] <Upu_M0UPU> Habamp does make a difference
[21:49] <Upu_M0UPU> not tried it on the FCD+ yet
[21:50] <Herman-PB0AHX> agn foon grgrgrgr
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[21:51] <iain_g4sgx> upu: your beam must also have a few db gain? still nothing here on a FCD+ and colinear, now up.
[21:51] <Upu_M0UPU> 17 ?
[21:51] <Upu_M0UPU> 19 element tonna xl
[21:51] <iain_g4sgx> nice
[21:51] <Upu_M0UPU> less 3db for the splitter
[21:54] <iain_g4sgx> I should hurry along and get mine aloft. All works ok but im converting it from NTX to an RFM42 so i can run on a 1.5v with a stepup
[21:55] <Reb-SM3ULC> mmm, no a pro on running predictions... but http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/179935_trj001.gif
[21:56] <iain_g4sgx> still all vero on vero board with a PIC dev board piggy backed
[21:56] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> [DJR]
[21:57] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> shitty paste buffers
[21:57] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> B-25,70i1560131108,52.4485,0.4517ti,6TMn,1.n*0e1c
[21:57] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> getting there...
[21:57] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> now I wait until next tx....
[21:57] <iain_g4sgx> is the dial 434.5?
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[21:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yes, with audio at 1150
[21:59] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> (with my transceiver, so no warranty)
[21:59] <Upu_M0UPU> I'd concur
[22:01] <iain_g4sgx> Well im about to hit green so im wondering about my coax...
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[22:29] <iain_g4sgx> Well im well in green and no signal, about to die of boredom so 73 all, nite nite..
[22:29] <DL1SGP> good night iain
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[22:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> seems B-25 is doing a bit slow in comparison to the predictions... mm
[22:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> doing about 13 m/s againt the pred 40
[22:36] Action: natrium43 is waiting for B-52 mission
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[22:37] <fsphil> launched from the love shack
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[22:38] <arko> love shack baby love shack
[22:38] <Reb-SM3ULC> :D
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[22:38] <arko> LeoBodnar: damn dude, you're just launching a party
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[22:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do we need to show the Arctic circle line on snus do you think ?
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[22:48] <Reb-SM3ULC> :)
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[22:52] <arko> should be easy too
[22:52] <arko> https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/javascript/examples/polyline-simple
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[22:54] <Reb-SM3ULC> seems nooa's data is far off, and current speed pretty slow..
[22:54] <arko> new google.maps.LatLng(66.5622, 0.0),
[22:54] <arko> new google.maps.LatLng(66.5622, -120.0),
[22:54] <arko> new google.maps.LatLng(66.5622, 120.0)
[22:54] <arko> i think that should do
[22:55] <arko> err maybe another new google.maps.LatLng(66.5622, 0.0) at the end
[22:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> or a loop going 0-360.. step something
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[22:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> green here
[22:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> last time, but vry weak
[22:59] <Reb-SM3ULC> this will (again) be an interesting one to follow
[23:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> off to bed in case it gets close tomorrow
[23:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> here red lines only
[23:01] <Herman-PB0AHX> i have a litle trace of b-25
[23:01] <PE0SAT> Nothing heard
[23:04] <PE0SAT> I am calling it a day, good night all
[23:04] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> good night Jan
[23:04] <PE0SAT> Good luck with SSPA
[23:08] <arko> Reb-SM3ULC: http://habexproject.org/map.html
[23:09] <arko> too bad people in alaska dont do habs :P
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[23:21] <Herman-PB0AHX> yesssss first one green
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[23:21] <Herman-PB0AHX> sleep well jan
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