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[07:49] <DL1SGP> good morning
[07:51] <ibanezmatt13> morning :)
[07:51] <x-f> morning!
[07:51] <DL1SGP> hope your day started in a great way matt :)
[07:52] <ibanezmatt13> not too bad actually yeah
[07:52] <ibanezmatt13> I awoke to the sunlight coming through my blinds @ 6
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[07:53] <DL1SGP> I bet that scared you as you thought you were abducted out of UK over night, why else would there be sunlight
[07:53] <jphoglund> morning
[07:53] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[07:53] <DL1SGP> morning jphoglund
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[08:35] <DL1SGP> AHoj Leo :D
[08:35] <LeoBodnar> Yo!
[08:35] <DL1SGP> I was wondering if you floated over to the Caymans
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[08:44] <LeoBodnar> Hehe I wish I could!
[08:45] <DL1SGP> same :)
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[08:48] <DL1SGP> good morning daveake
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[09:55] <F6AGV> morning all
[09:56] <F6AGV> bonjour tous
[09:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> bonjour F6AGV de G0TDJ
[09:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> How are you today?
[09:57] <F6AGV> fine, I hope you too
[09:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> YEs, apart from the Great British weather. All is good, thanks
[09:58] <F6AGV> Yes, I'm living near CALAIS and it's the same weather
[09:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> No chance of launches here or there today then :-)
[09:59] <F6AGV> just a question : I see LEO'S BACK on spacenear, what is this ?
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-) Leo is a little bit of a celebrity amongst us, Leo Bodnar. He is the master of the floter and holds the record for distance IIRC
[10:00] <F6AGV> yeah, the Jet Stream is very interesting with high speed winds about 150 knots in altitude !
[10:00] <DL1SGP> bon matin F6AGV
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[10:00] <fsphil> haha
[10:00] <DL1SGP> yo Steve
[10:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Felix
[10:01] <DL1SGP> greetings fsphil
[10:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Whats funny Phil :D
[10:01] <fsphil> the spacenear title
[10:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh yeah :-)
[10:01] <F6AGV> Ok, Morning DL1SGP
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> I spoke to Leo briefly last night and he had a nice break.
[10:02] <F6AGV> sorry what is XD at right on spacenear window ?
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> A smily face
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Like :-) and :D
[10:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's screwed up eyes for joy
[10:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> XD
[10:03] <DL1SGP> XD
[10:03] <F6AGV> OK,
[10:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Level of happiness 1 = :-) 2 = :D 3 = XD
[10:04] <F6AGV> I have a balloon project whit a pico for next year !
[10:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's good. Anything special on the payload?
[10:04] <x-f> F6AGV, Leo is back from vacations where he had gone for a while, that's what it means
[10:04] <F6AGV> Yes I see XD, thanks my friend
[10:05] <F6AGV> payload will be equiped with a receiver !
[10:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh? Recieving what?
[10:06] <F6AGV> receving telemetry back to payload !
[10:06] <F6AGV> receive sorry
[10:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Telemetry from where? Itself?
[10:07] <F6AGV> no telemetry from ground to control the descent and recovery
[10:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> I see. Alain, you were at the conference yes? Looking at your QRZ page
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[10:08] <F6AGV> Yes I am so glad to participate at this 2013 conference with UKHAS in Greenwich
[10:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Great, I remember your talk about the control of balloons. You are putting it into practice with a Pico then?
[10:09] <F6AGV> a second project is solar balloon with altitude control,
[10:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Fantastic
[10:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Tres bon even :-)
[10:10] <F6AGV> yes we built that for next year, the first project PICO BALLOON is in work at this time !
[10:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Have you a launch date yet Alain?
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[10:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Morning Ed
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[10:11] <F6AGV> no Steve,
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[10:11] <eroomde> morning Steve_G0TDJ
[10:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Perhaps you could announce it on the UKHAS Google Group Alain?
[10:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> When ready
[10:12] <fsphil> greenwich got pretty messed up in Thor 2. was quite neat spotting places I'd been
[10:13] <F6AGV> if you want some informations, antenna is OK, the transmetter is NTX2 434.650 and GPS from a RS DFM-06 in test...
[10:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've not heard of that GPS. The popular one here seems to be uBlox. I'll look that one up.
[10:14] <F6AGV> yes no to day, in several months when the project will be OK and ready to flight !
[10:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK. We can be patient :-)
[10:15] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[10:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> I had my first successful flight (Pico) last Sunday Alain
[10:15] <F6AGV> DFM-06 is a radiosonde and very difficult to use this but no cost !
[10:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's always good
[10:16] <F6AGV> OK what is his call ?
[10:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> VAYU-1 - you can see on my blog: http://flyha.be/1b8Bv6a
[10:18] <F6AGV> Yes I see and I believe that VAYU-1 is landing to the sea, It's correct , Steve ?
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, North of Margate. Not recoverable. I was pleased with the flight though.
[10:19] <DL1SGP> it was a cool flight!
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thanks Felix :-)
[10:19] <F6AGV> Sorry but congratulations for this first flight and success !
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thank you Alain :-)
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> I will do another soon. With maybe more or different telemetry
[10:20] <F6AGV> You are a club member of amateur ballooning now !
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> :D
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's quite addictive...
[10:21] <F6AGV> I think DominoEX is rather good for telemetry ?
[10:21] <DL1SGP> F6AGV, il y avait un mec du sud qui voulait bien lancer un ballon, j'espere bien qu'il revient ici des qu'il est pret :)
[10:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, that will be a step later. I have designed a PCB with NTX2b and waiting for the boards to be made in China.
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[10:23] <F6AGV> OK, steve Fine , sorry I go to the kitchen seeing my wife for diner... Good day hope to see you 73 at all and morning
[10:23] <DL1SGP> have a nice meal Alain, 73 :)
[10:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> 73 Alain - Great to speak to you. Have a great day!
[10:24] <F6AGV> Yes hope to talk again on HIGH with you, 73 from CALAIS
[10:24] <Andrew_M6GTG> I go off and do some work and everyone starts talking.. morning all
[10:24] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Hi Andy
[10:24] <DL1SGP> hi there Andy
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[10:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> That was Alain, our French comrade who did the talk at the conference
[10:25] <Andrew_M6GTG> Sounds an interesting flight he has planned
[10:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, I'd like more info on that
[10:26] <Andrew_M6GTG> so you can steer it away from water? ;-)
[10:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> ROTFL... Yeah
[10:27] <Andrew_M6GTG> remember the talk, altitude control mainly wasn't it?
[10:27] <DL1SGP> hmm if there was a way to roll off a cord while it is falling and the parachute is big enough it could act as a kite for the payload
[10:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, with the valve at the top to vent
[10:27] <nats`> DL1SGP you speak french ? oO
[10:27] <DL1SGP> yeah :)
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[10:28] <Andrew_M6GTG> was looking at balloons on ebay last night, can't decide on an hello kitty, or a spiderman foil ;-)
[10:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL:D
[10:28] <jphoglund> :D
[10:28] <nats`> impressed the sentence his almost totally correct
[10:30] <DL1SGP> that's to adjust to french habits, their lingo might sound totally fine but when they start typing you find tiny errors which arise through phonetics sounding same but being typed differently
[10:31] <fsphil> I know many native english speaks who get things like that wrong
[10:31] <DL1SGP> andrew, if you wanna launch from sports area of a girl's school ... use spiderman, they gonna cheer seeing it going into air and disappear
[10:32] <DL1SGP> instant fanclub, +50 likes on FB :)
[10:32] <nats`> :D
[10:32] <fsphil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40-QUALATEX-SUPERSHAPE-GIANT-ALIEN-SPACE-ROCKET-HELIUM-FOIL-BALLOON-/400253294646
[10:33] <Andrew_M6GTG> lol, just found one suitable for a hen night.. remember the radar scene in Austin Powers?
[10:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> All gone quiet....
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[10:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> ah ha! Morningmatt
[10:37] <ibanezmatt13> Morning :)
[10:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> I hope the weather is better where you are
[10:37] <ibanezmatt13> Nope, I'm afraid not
[10:37] <ibanezmatt13> Freezing and wet
[10:37] <Andrew_M6GTG> perhaps not! ;-) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hen-Night-Helium-Foil-Printed-Balloon-Mr-Willy-Shape-30-/271218846859
[10:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yuk....
[10:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL @Andy
[10:38] <fsphil> oh dear
[10:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> That would be a bit of a cock up ;-)
[10:38] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[10:38] <fsphil> I refer to my previous comment
[10:38] <Andrew_M6GTG> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B4suxQVUAQ
[10:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Believe it or not, I've not seen that
[10:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> Anyway guys, I have to tear myself away for a while. I've got some 'work' to do.
[10:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> Back later :-)
[10:40] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: me too..
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[10:42] <fsphil> hah
[10:42] <fsphil> not seen that either
[10:42] <fsphil> thought I'd seen all of them
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[10:45] <ibanezmatt13> guten morgen Lunar
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[10:51] <ibanezmatt13> auf videsenen :)
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[11:23] <Lee> hello all
[11:23] <mfa298> Hi Lee
[11:24] <Lee> hi :)
[11:24] <Lee> is this the place for beginners? I wouldn't want to born anyone with silly questions :)
[11:25] <daveake> It's the place for all :)
[11:25] <Lee> excellent, how is everyone this morning?
[11:26] <mfa298> The only silly questions are the ones you don't ask.
[11:26] <Lee> ok, I'll try and remember that...
[11:27] <mfa298> there's also a lot of knowledge on the wiki (www.ukhas.org.uk) although it can be a challenge finding it sometimes (so for some questions you might just get a wiki link to read)
[11:28] <eroomde> there do exist genuinely silly questions though
[11:28] <Lee> I'm new to all this HAB - but really interested in having a go. However there is so much info out there and everyone has tried different things. I'm slightly lost there to start with regards to tracking the balloon (I'm ok with everything else I think)
[11:28] <eroomde> ^
[11:29] <UpuWork> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[11:29] <UpuWork> that first
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[11:31] <Lee> Thanks, is that the best way for a first timer?
[11:31] <eroomde> well, it's a guide to the available options
[11:32] <eroomde> you'll have to work out what is best for you as a function of your budget and so on
[11:32] <eroomde> all the things there work
[11:33] <UpuWork> read peoples blogs, hang about on here
[11:33] <UpuWork> you'll pick it up
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[11:34] <mfa298> depending on where you are you might find there's someone local that you could meet up with for a launch.
[11:35] <mfa298> in terms of receiving balloons the link eroomde provided covers most of what you need (equipment, software etc)
[11:39] <Lee> thanks guys, I'll have a look at all this
[11:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> Where are you Lee?
[11:40] <Lee> from your personal knowledge for a first timer would you recommend radio tracking or something easier like a GPS/SMS based tracker?
[11:40] <daveake> radio
[11:40] <Lee> Eastbourne :)
[11:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not so far away then. That's good.
[11:41] <fsphil> aah sunny eastbourne. been there a few times
[11:41] <fsphil> it rained both times
[11:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> I enjoy the air show most years
[11:42] <Lee> haha
[11:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: sunny ~= rain only 364 days a year? ;)
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> Shiny. http://www.nxp.com/campaigns/cortex-m4/discover-lpc4300?cid=integrated_2013cortex-mail_email-10_15_13&elqTrack=true&elq=1d52c7cfd6504cc89867485002aeb553&elqCampaignId=382 $8 in ones arm cortex (yes, it's BGA), with an 80MSPS 12 bit ADC
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[11:54] <fsphil> all the cool chips are bga :(
[11:57] <Andrew_M6GTG> fsphil: If you can't fit it to veroboard it isn't cool ;-)
[11:58] <Miek_> you can get it in LQFP too
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[11:59] <SpeedEvil> Miek_: Including the 80msps ADC?
[11:59] Action: SpeedEvil has not looked closely at the part numbers.
[12:00] <zyp> lpc4300 is available in 1mm pitch bga, which is pretty easy to do
[12:01] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Mv7rw.JPG <- I did this
[12:01] <Miek_> SpeedEvil: ah, no :<
[12:03] <Miek_> i did a few boards with this on recently: http://i.imgur.com/jPozkoQ.jpg
[12:04] <jphoglund> whoa
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> I have a sample of that one
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> I look at it occasionally
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> Actually - no
[12:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice work both of you
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> Mine is the 16 ball one
[12:04] <fsphil> that's a 5p. how can you even SEE that chip
[12:05] <nats`> 80MSPS is cool but I would like to see how much processing power you have to achievable that rate
[12:06] <zyp> nats`, lpc4300 has a cortex-m4 running at 204MHz (IIRC)
[12:07] <nats`> yep it's on the page but if it's 1 instruction cycle you don't have many spare cycle to do any processing
[12:07] <nats`> like those uC with 12MBs usb interface
[12:07] <nats`> Mb
[12:07] <zyp> well, it's dualcore, you also have a m0 that can handle moving data while the m4 is crunching numbers
[12:07] <zyp> heh
[12:07] <nats`> uhhmm that point is intereting :)
[12:08] <nats`> since M4 have a floating point unit with dsp multiplier and function that could be cool
[12:08] <zyp> lpc4300 includes HS USB support, i.e. 480 Mb/s ;)
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> It does have 100mb ethernet - which is useful - but USB may be more interesting
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[12:09] <SpeedEvil> The big one can also use SDRAM
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[12:09] <SpeedEvil> Oh - and the small one
[12:09] <zyp> yep, the other chip on my board is 32MB SDRAM
[12:10] <Miek_> http://www.sharebrained.com/2013/05/21/maker-faire-radio-spectrum-analyzer/ this is probably a good example of what the chip can do
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[12:10] <nats`> if you put a mixer in front yes
[12:10] <nats`> and even with a sampling rate of 40MSPS that already huge
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[14:46] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/user/NicklMinajAtVEVO
[14:46] <Laurenceb> wut
[14:47] <Laurenceb> successful troll is troll
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[15:58] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[15:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey James
[16:00] <jcoxon> hey steve
[16:00] <jcoxon> good work on your flight
[16:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thanks - I enjoyed it
[16:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've written it up on my blog: http://flyha.be/1b8Bv6a
[16:02] <jcoxon> i'll have a read
[16:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool
[16:04] <jcoxon> eek about the plane ;)
[16:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, still not sure about that
[16:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> What do you think?
[16:06] <eroomde> a plane won't notice a pico
[16:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, but could it have caused it to fail? The Pico fail that is
[16:06] <nats`> nice read :)
[16:06] <eroomde> seems improbable
[16:06] <eroomde> you'd be unlucky
[16:07] <jcoxon> Steve_G0TDJ, i think its more likely that your balloon burst
[16:07] <fsphil> unless the pilots aimed for it
[16:07] <jcoxon> your payload mass was relatively hight
[16:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK
[16:07] <daveake> That does look like a nearly full balloon
[16:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> I did give it a 'bit' extra to make sure it lifted
[16:08] <eroomde> a millistirk
[16:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-)
[16:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> It was very blustery and I wanted to ensure it went up (this time)
[16:08] <jcoxon> yes, thats always teh risk with picos
[16:08] <daveake> It went up before ...
[16:08] <daveake> ... briefly :p
[16:08] <jcoxon> they aren't very tree friendly
[16:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll try and choose a calmer day next time
[16:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL @Dave
[16:12] <LazyLeopard> To see whether the plane actually came close to the balloon you'd need timed fixes from both. My first impression from the graphics is that there seems to have been plenty of space between them.
[16:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, it may have affected it, it may not. It gave me something to add to the blog entry :-)
[16:14] <LazyLeopard> Indeed. ;)
[16:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right, stuff to do - bbl
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[16:19] <fsphil> ye old classic
[16:19] <jcoxon> its so awesome
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[16:33] <gonzo_> also the old mk1 290/790 sets are nice low current radios
[16:33] <gonzo_> not as greedy as the 817
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/kepler2?launcher=false - The challenges of measuring stellar velocities to cm/s.
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> Insane.
[16:39] Nick change: stilldavid_ -> stilldavid
[16:39] <jcoxon> anyone upgraded the 817 battery?
[16:40] <jcoxon> was thinking of disconnecting the battery charger and instead using RC lipos
[16:40] <fsphil> there's a kit for doing that
[16:41] <fsphil> which I now can't find
[16:42] <fsphil> which is kinda expensive: http://www.w4rt.com/FT-817-Accessories/One-Plug-Power-FT-817.htm
[16:42] <fsphil> (amateur website, shield eyes)
[16:43] <fsphil> easier to do it yourself probably. just need to make a small hole in the battery cover to get the charger cable outside
[16:48] <mfa298> I tend to just run an SLA plugged into the DC jack - although that's slighly less portable.
[16:49] <fsphil> lipo into the dc jack might work
[16:49] <fsphil> easier to charge that
[16:50] <daveake> I've put the car charger cable behind the dash, coming out to the DIN slot where the 817 goes
[16:51] <mfa298> I've re-purposed an old camera bag and toolbox for radio, I can get the 817, a 7Ah SLA and some cables happily into the camera bag (or use the toolbox for more SLAs)
[16:51] <jcoxon> yay my hacked together power supply works on my 790
[16:52] <mfa298> I could do with finding some R/A dc plugs and din connectors then I could operate the 817 with it staying in the camera bag
[16:53] <jcoxon> i think i'd buy a FT290 just to go with my 790
[16:54] <mfa298> that sounds like the start of a proper radio shack.
[16:55] <fsphil> haha
[16:55] <fsphil> resist
[16:55] <fsphil> do you do much proper amateur radio jcoxon?
[16:55] <fsphil> and by proper, I mean talking to people
[16:55] <fsphil> proper is the wrong term
[16:57] <daveake> Try "traditional"
[16:57] <daveake> or "outdated"
[16:57] <daveake> or "declining"
[16:58] <DL1SGP> or "oldfashioned"?
[16:59] <mfa298> related, the people on the rsgb forum seem to be fairly sensible - no ones commented on me saying "It also demonstrates a more experimentation side of Amateur Radio rather than just spending hours in a room clocking up contacts", this is talking about Airborne use and the educational side.
[17:00] <eroomde> good
[17:00] <DL1SGP> sounds good mfa298
[17:01] <mfa298> I thought I'd leave out the extra bit about beards, piles of kit and bad BO in case it was seen as a troll
[17:02] <daveake> :)
[17:03] <jcoxon> fsphil, gosh no
[17:03] <jcoxon> mfa298, yes don't upset the rest of the hobby
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[17:04] <mfa298> the airborne stuff generally seems to have had good comments (apart from the early person moaning about repeaters)
[17:04] <eroomde> which is to be expected as moaning about repeaters is about 50% of the hobby
[17:05] <jcoxon> well thats a fair thing though about repeaters - in the sense allow airborne and we can avoid repeaters
[17:05] <fsphil> odd thing to moan about. if we could use the amatuer radio bands, we'd be avoiding the repeaters
[17:05] <mattbrejza> is it too early to get out my smith chart paper and start designing a tranmsitter for video though?
[17:05] <Andrew_M6GTG> and they have just closed a local repeater..
[17:05] <fsphil> or flying a repeater. that'd be cool
[17:06] <mfa298> someone raised the question of repeaters / transponders
[17:06] <adamgreig> we could also actually key up repeaters /am too, that'd be neat
[17:06] <mfa298> and I don't think it was a callsign I recognosed
[17:06] <adamgreig> just store all their freqs and positions and use them to help boost the signal
[17:06] <fsphil> we can do that now with an NTX2-- legally. which is odd
[17:06] <adamgreig> if they can even hear us
[17:06] <fsphil> well the ones with 434.650 input
[17:06] <fsphil> yes
[17:06] <adamgreig> and it's not easy to CTCSS and send data too on the NTX2
[17:06] <fsphil> the 10mw is a problem for that
[17:06] <adamgreig> well actually
[17:06] <adamgreig> it's FM so you could easily
[17:06] <adamgreig> yea
[17:06] <adamgreig> anyway
[17:07] <adamgreig> can legally on ISM anyway is the point
[17:07] <fsphil> rubbish topic. lets talk about something happier
[17:07] <adamgreig> yea
[17:07] <adamgreig> so
[17:07] <mfa298> to clarify that question about repeaters / transponders was about having them airborne
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[17:08] <Upu> gonzo_'s point was quite sensible what we consider very high power is most peoples QRP
[17:08] <mfa298> g6jyb said: PS We should clarify whether we include/exclude airborne repeaters/transponders as opposed to control/telemetry type
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[17:10] <craag> It's data up controlling data down, I don't see the difference really.
[17:11] <mfa298> probably the only real difference is whether it's handling 3rd party traffic.
[17:11] <craag> mm true
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[17:17] <jcoxon> anyone want a 14.31818Mhz crystal?
[17:18] <jcoxon> scrapping some old PCI cards and found one on a soundcard
[17:19] <mattbrejza> http://uk.farnell.com/txc/9b-14-31818maaj-b/xtal-14-31818mhz-18pf-hc-49s/dp/1842209 ;)
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[17:20] <jcoxon> haha
[17:20] <jcoxon> so not rare at all
[17:20] Action: daveake checks price of a stamp :)
[17:21] <mfa298> probably cheaper than the handling charge for an under £20 order on farnell
[17:22] <daveake> much
[17:22] <mattbrejza> yay for my farnell account
[17:22] <mattbrejza> handling charge is from cpc?
[17:22] <mattbrejza> farnell just wont ship <£20 ?
[17:22] <mfa298> looks to be the same on farnell
[17:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> CPC is free dor online, Farnell has min orderof £20
[17:23] <mattbrejza> oh right
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[17:23] <mfa298> farnell is free shipping (but a £3.95 handling fee for under £20)
[17:24] <mfa298> and £20 minimum order for sundry accounts but not trade accounts
[17:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not if by credit card, min or £20
[17:24] <mattbrejza> and its also something different for onecall
[17:24] <mattbrejza> so nice and simple :)
[17:25] <mfa298> I've tended to use CPC or RS, last time I looked farnell was more expensive (by a long way) for some of what I wanted.
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[17:26] <daveake> Generally, I've found, CPC < Farnell < RS
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[17:26] <daveake> It's quite a surprise when RS is cheapest
[17:26] <daveake> Can't remember the last time
[17:26] <Upu> haha yeah right
[17:26] <Upu> like that ever happens
[17:27] <Upu> mainly because you are claiming to have found what you want
[17:27] <Upu> which using RS's search function is impossible
[17:27] <daveake> true
[17:27] <Upu> 10k 0603
[17:27] <Upu> We found : pink Donkeys and gloves
[17:27] <daveake> They fixed the one where "MOSFET" gave a list of safety boots
[17:28] <Upu> yeah I think safety boots have a * in them somewhere
[17:28] Action: LazyLeopard puts tea aside...
[17:29] <mclane> on the german website of rs that works
[17:29] <LazyLeopard> Never mind what you want. Here's something we want rid of...
[17:29] <mfa298> I think last time I used RS it might have been for getting some parts I struggled to find on CPC and the rest of the order was similar price to CPC
[17:30] <LazyLeopard> ...or wil want rid of, when we finally get round to having them in stock, and then remembering to ship theeem...
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[17:31] <mfa298> For some parts I've found RS easier to search on, but that's more connectors and cable. CPC seems to be a bit silly sometimes
[17:32] <mfa298> like you'll have RG58, RG 58, RG-58, rg58 and a dozen other varaitions for one type of cable.
[17:32] <mattbrejza> had to use google to find tcxos on rs...
[17:32] <Upu> haha
[17:33] <mattbrejza> however it does seem that RS do tcxos that dont need to come from america unlike farnell?
[17:33] <mattbrejza> 26MHz ones
[17:33] <mfa298> the other annoyance I've had with CPC is you have two length boxes one in metric one in imperial and some cables will only be listed in one or the other depending on what they picked out the datasheet
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[17:52] <ve6ts> wooohoo my GPS's came in the mail today
[17:52] <ve6ts> that was 3 weeks
[17:53] <eroomde> great
[17:53] <eroomde> what did you go for?
[17:54] <ve6ts> no name, $10 GPS from china
[17:54] <ve6ts> i'll try them out and see how it works on one of my micro's
[17:55] Action: eroomde counts down from 10
[17:55] Action: Upu smiles
[17:55] <ve6ts> i wanna try to float this one
[17:56] <Upu> just make sure you float it below 18km
[17:56] <ve6ts> ya i won't make it above 10000ft
[17:56] <SIbot> In real units: 10000 ft = 3048 m
[17:56] <ve6ts> hehe, that is awesome
[17:57] <mattbrejza> 10 furlongs
[17:57] <mattbrejza> :(
[17:57] <Upu> SIbot ?
[17:57] <mattbrejza> 300 thou
[17:57] <mattbrejza> 20mil
[17:57] <mattbrejza> 2"
[17:57] <Upu> 23000 ft
[17:57] <SIbot> In real units: 23000 ft = 7 km
[17:57] <mattbrejza> 300psi
[17:57] <Upu> haha awesome who's baby is that ?
[17:58] <mattbrejza> 50yards
[17:58] <mattbrejza> 20 miles
[17:58] <mattbrejza> 2ft
[17:58] <SIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[17:58] <mattbrejza> yay
[17:58] <ve6ts> 20 stone
[17:58] <ve6ts> darn, doesn't know that one
[17:58] <Upu> craag :)
[17:59] <craag> ello
[17:59] <craag> oh lol
[17:59] <ve6ts> 1 mbar
[17:59] <craag> only wrote that last night, doesn't support anything but ft/feet so far :P
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[17:59] <ve6ts> craag: that is really cool
[17:59] <craag> https://github.com/philcrump/sibot
[18:00] <ve6ts> many years ago i wrote a hangman bot to introduce myself to network programming
[18:00] <mattbrejza> let it loose in a room full of 'mericans
[18:00] <daveake> 3Stirks
[18:00] <daveake> fail :)
[18:00] <Upu> sillyNum
[18:00] <Upu> lol
[18:01] <Upu> your choice of variable names is amusing :)
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[18:01] <Upu> right afk
[18:01] <craag> thanks :)
[18:02] <craag> was hoping I'd add some more functionality before anyone noticed it.
[18:03] <ve6ts> it is a great bot for this channel
[18:05] <craag> cheers!
[18:05] <ve6ts> what other units are you going to add?
[18:07] <craag> feet will always be the most used, lbs would probably be next.
[18:07] <mattbrejza> that silly temperature measurement perhaps tpp
[18:07] <mattbrejza> too
[18:07] <mattbrejza> not that its well used
[18:07] <craag> haha yes
[18:08] <ve6ts> yes i cannot understand degF
[18:08] <mfa298> question then is do you convert to C or K
[18:08] <craag> ft/minute to something sensible would be good, although the regex will be a pain for that I think
[18:08] <mattbrejza> C
[18:08] <craag> yeah C
[18:08] <ve6ts> or convert to both?
[18:09] <craag> might as well I guess..
[18:09] <mfa298> might have to grep the logs to see when ft/min has been used and how people describe it.
[18:09] <craag> pull requests are welcome ;)
[18:09] <mfa298> hopefully a regex isn't too bad
[18:09] <ve6ts> i use si for everything except alt and climb/descent rate
[18:13] <eroomde> pilot?
[18:13] <eroomde> mad?
[18:14] <ve6ts> yup
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[18:19] <LeoBodnar> Steve_G0TDJ: I have run some calculations and your balloon was due to burst at about 4900m
[18:20] <LeoBodnar> It's a bit difficult to give accurate predictions because you gave it a "bit more fill" and solar heating gain is another known unknown.
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[18:22] <LeoBodnar> I would say it's a regular burst with a valve blowout.
[18:23] <DL1SGP> do such make sounds like a farting-pillow leo?
[18:23] <DL1SGP> thanks for the analysis, and yes "a little extra" makes predicting hard
[18:24] <DL1SGP> however it was a cool flight :P and Steve has a new personal distance record
[18:24] <ve6ts> i also have a bad habit of putting "a little extra" in as well
[18:24] <mfa298> I think when a few of us looked at the data in the image there was around 1km difference in height and 1km horizontal seperation.
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[18:26] <DL1SGP> mfa298: yeah there was well some distance if that refers to the aircraft in the area
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[18:26] <ibanezmatt13> just done my grade 4 theory exam. Thought it went ok
[18:26] <DL1SGP> well done ibanezmatt13
[18:27] <DL1SGP> now relax, do some soldering :) start a NORB :D
[18:27] <ibanezmatt13> thanks DL1SGP . Not sure of course but I'd say I did well enough
[18:27] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[18:27] <adamgreig> craag: seems you could refactor the matching soyou just provide a dict of things to match and the functional to map them to correct units
[18:27] <adamgreig> anyway
[18:27] <adamgreig> this will end poorly
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[18:27] <ibanezmatt13> DL1SGP: I'm gonna start a NORR actually ;)
[18:28] <adamgreig> so what's better, 100m or 328ft?
[18:28] <SIbot> In real units: 328 ft = 100 m
[18:28] <BritishUnitsBot> In real units: 100 m = 328 ft
[18:28] <SIbot> In real units: 328 ft = 100 m
[18:28] <BritishUnitsBot> In real units: 100 m = 328 ft
[18:28] <SIbot> In real units: 328 ft = 100 m
[18:28] <BritishUnitsBot> In real units: 100 m = 328 ft
[18:28] <SIbot> In real units: 328 ft = 100 m
[18:28] <BritishUnitsBot> In real units: 100 m = 328 ft
[18:28] <SIbot> In real units: 328 ft = 100 m
[18:28] <BritishUnitsBot> In real units: 100 m = 328 ft
[18:28] <SIbot> In real units: 328 ft = 100 m
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[18:28] <adamgreig> ;)
[18:28] <ibanezmatt13> wow
[18:28] <DL1SGP> ibanezmatt13: that works too, just won't be able to track it in that case
[18:28] <adamgreig> craag: could do with rate control too :P
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[18:29] <ibanezmatt13> you could track a really big one DL1SGP with some skill I would imagine. Perhaps not a 1000ft model rocket though :P
[18:29] <SIbot> In real units: 1000 ft = 305 m
[18:29] <craag> adamgreig: lol ok, didn't really anticipate needing that..
[18:29] <DL1SGP> ibanezmatt13: if you get it done to produce an impact crater on the roof of my neighbors I send you the licence prepare books for free
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[18:30] <ibanezmatt13> lol, awesome!
[18:30] <mfa298> I think I suggested an ignore list might be useful in future - in case we gained an ImperialUnitsBot
[18:30] <ibanezmatt13> right, back later. Beef steaks to consume :))
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[18:30] <DL1SGP> have a nice meal
[18:30] <adamgreig> mfa298: I named it ImperialBot at first but maybe that was taken or something
[18:30] <adamgreig> oh apparently not atm
[18:30] <adamgreig> anyway BritishBot seemed good too
[18:32] <DL1SGP> NCUCAB "non conntinental unit conversion assistance bot"
[18:32] <mfa298> If it's an ImperialUnitBot the reply string should probably be along the lines of: StormTrooperA says 100 m = 328 ft
[18:32] <SIbot> In real units: 328 ft = 100 m
[18:33] <craag> adamgreig: Yeah that would be a far better way to structure it. I have bad coding practices that I'm getting rid of slowly :)
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[18:42] <eroomde> 3ft
[18:42] <SIbot> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[18:42] <eroomde> nice
[18:42] <eroomde> 2 furlongs
[18:42] <eroomde> 2furlongs
[18:42] <eroomde> 2fur
[18:42] <eroomde> 3stone
[18:42] <eroomde> 4lb
[18:42] <eroomde> 4 lb
[18:42] <craag> it's minimal, only does ft/feet
[18:43] <mfa298> and 3 fet
[18:43] <SIbot> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[18:43] <craag> heh
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[18:43] <daveake> oh well
[18:44] <mfa298> !wolfram 10 yards in furlongs
[18:45] Action: mfa298 thinks there's a feature missing in zeusbot ;)
[18:45] <mattbrejza> !g wolfram 10 yards in meters
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[18:45] <mattbrejza> meh
[18:46] <ReadError> lamebot
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[18:54] <fsphil> craag: well done!
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[19:09] <craag> cheers fsphil :)
[19:10] <craag> Took about 10 minutes to get the irc bot bit working, then an hour or so of 'a complete beginners guide to regex' :)
[19:14] <ve6ts> regex is something i've still not learnt
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[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> helo
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[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:19] <fsphil> helllo
[19:20] <DL1SGP> Guten Abend Lunar_Lander
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[19:25] <DL1SGP> quite OK on this end, and with you?
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> same here
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> today our Electron Paramagnetic Resonance workshop began at Uni
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> I got in contact with two Physicists from Belgium who were astonished when I spoke some Dutch
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[19:26] <DL1SGP> hehe
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[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> Amy and Bert
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[20:02] <S_Mark> Hi all, anyone had experience of Energizer Lithium Advanced (vs the usual Energizer Ultimate Lithium) batteries
[20:02] <S_Mark> In HAB use
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[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> hey S_Mark
[20:04] <S_Mark> hey Lunar_Lander
[20:07] <adamgreig> fsphil I didn't know you watched bravest warriors :o
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[20:09] <fsphil> I think it was you that suggested them
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[20:09] <fsphil> great show
[20:09] <adamgreig> :D
[20:09] <eroomde> S_Mark, no but they look ok
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> Power Rangers xD
[20:09] <eroomde> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/ea91.pdf
[20:09] <eroomde> vs
[20:09] <eroomde> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/l91.pdf
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[20:09] <eroomde> advanced have higher internal R
[20:09] <eroomde> less of a biggy for hab
[20:09] <eroomde> hours vs power curve is about the same
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[20:09] <Jon____> Hi all
[20:09] <eroomde> rated for operation and -40
[20:10] <Jon____> e
[20:10] <S_Mark> great thanks very much eroomde!
[20:10] <Jon____> anyone able to spare me 10 min to answer a couple of questions?
[20:10] <eroomde> just ask the questions, don't ask to ask them
[20:11] <Jon____> ta http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=61 - it says to contact IRC about ordering options.
[20:11] <Jon____> can anyone help?
[20:11] <eroomde> you want Upu
[20:12] <eroomde> he runs the store
[20:12] <Jon____> ok thank you
[20:12] <nats`> eroomde I thought everyone want Upu !
[20:13] <eroomde> if they want to buy stuff, yep
[20:13] <eroomde> because he sells stuff
[20:13] <eroomde> weed in french is, on the street at least, 'le shit', right?
[20:13] <nats`> ok my joke was totally screwed up :p
[20:13] <eroomde> i always found that quite amusing
[20:13] <nats`> not totally
[20:13] <nats`> weed is herbe
[20:13] <nats`> shit is the resin
[20:13] <nats`> often mixed with crappy product
[20:14] <nats`> :)
[20:14] <eroomde> right
[20:14] <Jon____> thank you very much
[20:14] <nats`> so weed is 'herbe' or 'beuh'
[20:14] <Jon____> have you got an email for Upu?
[20:14] <eroomde> he is normally here
[20:14] <eroomde> he's probabl;y walking the dog or something
[20:14] <eroomde> i'd stick around here
[20:14] <Upu> or lurking
[20:14] <eroomde> or lurking
[20:14] <Jon____> lurking is good!
[20:15] <Upu> I am Upu how may I be of assistance today ?
[20:15] <Jon____> hi dude, http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=61 - says to contact before ordering
[20:15] <Upu> it does
[20:16] <Upu> it also says order this instead :
[20:16] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=92
[20:16] <Upu> Quick private message
[20:16] <S_Mark> need the wind to stop asap
[20:16] <S_Mark> http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/stratodean/
[20:16] <eroomde> what a general shouts when he wishes to send a comminique by foot
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[20:17] <eroomde> S_Mark, sat 0300
[20:17] <eroomde> you'll land right in cambridge
[20:17] <eroomde> the spiritual home of ukhas
[20:17] <S_Mark> ha, anyone up for the catch!?
[20:18] <eroomde> suspect adamgreig will appreciate the break from his PhD
[20:18] <eroomde> it'd land in time for morning coffee
[20:18] <Upu> so Jon____
[20:18] <Upu> S_Mark is behind Stratodean
[20:19] <Upu> and
[20:19] <S_Mark> hi Jon____
[20:19] <Jon____> hello
[20:19] <Upu> try that
[20:19] <eroomde> that puts cassie infront of it?
[20:19] <Upu> sounds fair to me
[20:19] <adamgreig> hah
[20:19] <Jon____> shall take a look
[20:19] <S_Mark> haha I'll see what she says about that
[20:20] <Jon____> right.... looks like something from NASA
[20:20] <daveake> I suspect the Wye valley will see a sharp uprise in launches next year :p
[20:20] <eroomde> i've just spent ages making an extremely crap version of sqlite in python
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> why is that dave?
[20:20] <eroomde> why can i not engage my brain
[20:21] <daveake> because I'm moving there
[20:21] <S_Mark> daveake is becoming my neighbour!
[20:21] <daveake> :)
[20:21] <daveake> I'm looking forward to having an extra 70 miles of land to hit :)
[20:21] <eroomde> is Monmouth coffee of borough market fame any relation to monmouth itself?
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, cool!
[20:22] <S_Mark> yeah not sure eroomde
[20:22] <mattbrejza> daveake: was a hab launch area a factor in choosing an area to move to?
[20:22] <eroomde> it might be as fast to drive to monmouth to get their coffee as it is to queue outside the borough shop on a saturday morning
[20:23] <daveake> mattbrejza Actually, no ...
[20:23] <daveake> ... however it's on a hill and has a launch field adjacent to the rear garden :p
[20:23] <mattbrejza> handy :P
[20:23] <S_Mark> sounds great
[20:23] <daveake> I thought so :)
[20:24] <daveake> Also the local exchange gets FTTC/P next year
[20:24] <daveake> and 3G is about 10 times the speed here
[20:24] <eroomde> the prevelence of houses in central oxford with launch fields attached is lower than i'd like
[20:24] <eroomde> it makes house hunting a bit tricky
[20:24] <daveake> but all of this is just a coincidence, of course
[20:25] <daveake> Finding a house near field and with >1Mbits ADSL is hard enough
[20:25] <gonzo_> do estate agents have an abreviation for, permenant notam?
[20:25] <daveake> lol
[20:25] <daveake> they don't even mention broadband
[20:25] <nats`> 393MHz in Europe someone with an answer ?
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[20:25] <S_Mark> ah yeah you are getting fibre, we are getting it in a month
[20:25] <daveake> however they tell me it's the #1 question they get asked
[20:26] <S_Mark> daveake: http://www.fastershire.com
[20:26] <daveake> yes been there :)
[20:26] <S_Mark> cool
[20:26] <eroomde> i have fibre now and don't really want to move somewhere without it
[20:26] <daveake> Upton Bishop listed as 2014 for fibre
[20:26] <daveake> Here our exchange has no date
[20:28] <eroomde> {}['no lock']
[20:28] <eroomde> a python gag
[20:28] <eroomde> on which note i should probably go home
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> hey btw
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> did you hear of the plans of german telekom to introduce volume contracts from 2016 on which would slow the internet to 2 MBit after generating Y traffic in a month?
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> that was stopped by court
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> that is really good :)
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[20:35] <arko> uggg i hate java
[20:35] <arko> slow sluggish pile of turd
[20:36] <mclane> use c
[20:36] <mclane> or assembler - even better
[20:37] <mclane> fortran iV is also good
[20:41] <fsphil> not even the language, things written in java are slow and sluggish
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[20:52] <mfa298> Lunar_Lander: a lot of ISP's here already do that, with the amount you can download depending on how much you pay - does mean you can get cheaper internet if you don't use it as much
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> well the problem was that they wanted to convert the Flatrates to that
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. you pay 39 euro now and have unlimited net
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> that was to be converted to 90 GB max traffic
[20:54] <mfa298> that's not so good.
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> also, the initial plans called for slowing to 384 Kbit
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> in 2016
[20:55] <mfa298> here I think half the ISPs will just put you through a rate shaper so half your traffic get's slowed down but web is still fast
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> that was ridiculous
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> well the plan here was to slow the access to the speed that was given
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> with some sort of reason like "Internet Infrastructure is subject to wear and tear"
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> was funny when people found out one week later that german internet is used to about 10% capacity
[20:56] <mfa298> my adsl is 50G which then drops to around 256kbit/s although overnight stuff doesn't count to that limit
[20:57] <mssssm> Drosselkom!
[20:57] <mfa298> I prefer that sort of setup rather than the companies that prioritise certain traffic and restrict other.
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[21:02] <ibanezmatt13> seriously, how is the last part of this question worth 4 marks! http://pbrd.co/HxY907
[21:02] <ibanezmatt13> and yep, the answer for those 4 marks is, 12 + 72 = 84 -_-
[21:04] <fsphil> trick question, the numbers are in octal
[21:05] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[21:06] <daveake> 84?
[21:06] <mfa298> bad question, doesn't tell you how the wires are connected.
[21:06] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.ocr.org.uk/Images/61667-question-paper-unit-g482-electrons-waves-and-photons.pdf
[21:07] <ibanezmatt13> it does, just missed that bit off
[21:07] <ibanezmatt13> Q1c
[21:07] <mfa298> I'd guess most of the marks are for the first section (showing the resistance of Ry is 72R)
[21:07] <daveake> Doesn't say they're made of the same material
[21:07] <ibanezmatt13> ah yes
[21:07] <ibanezmatt13> didn't see that
[21:08] <ibanezmatt13> it does daveake :)
[21:08] <ibanezmatt13> "of the same metal"
[21:08] <daveake> not in that image it doesn't
[21:08] <ibanezmatt13> ah, my apologies
[21:08] <daveake> doesn't say they're at the same temperature either :p
[21:09] <ibanezmatt13> good point
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[21:19] <Reb-SM3ULC> limits on traffic volume is "ok" when they are public about it
[21:19] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[21:19] <Reb-SM3ULC> ut most of them shape without telling..
[21:20] <Reb-SM3ULC> and most customers would be upset how much of their bill that's tha shaping-equipment...
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[21:21] <mfa298> cheaper than buying more bandwidth though
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[21:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: usually internal network thats mroe expensive these days i think. transit it not so expensive any more
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[21:23] <mfa298> for longer distance links into the big nodes (which you'de want as an ISP) I think it's pretty expensive still
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[21:26] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: right. a friend just finished another netowrk for apartments. about 2k apartments, 1G to all, for a productioncost of about ¢14/month... no limits...
[21:27] <fsphil> I live in the wrong place
[21:28] <mfa298> I suspect there's a fairly high contention on that.
[21:28] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: trafficwise?
[21:28] <mfa298> yes
[21:29] <mfa298> 1G into each apartment, I doubt there's a 2000GbE uplink
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[21:30] <mfa298> even with a 10GbE uplink that's a 200:1 contention
[21:30] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: http://stats.csbnet.se/public/
[21:31] <mfa298> obviously not being used much
[21:32] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: internally they have 2x10GE every building
[21:32] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: these are all student apartments
[21:32] <mfa298> peak for all peerings on there is just over 1GbE
[21:34] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: for comparing... http://stats.sunet.se/stat-q/r-all?q=all&name=UPUNET-S that network used to be my job to take care of. about 14k apartments, all 10 mbit only
[21:34] <mfa298> 10GbE between sites you own within a city shouldn't cost too much probably a bit more than the equipment.
[21:35] <mfa298> the expensive part would be linking into the internet (getting the peerings into the local internet exchanges)
[21:35] <DL1SGP> Upu-Net? that must be NTX based :D
[21:36] <Upu> I like that net
[21:36] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: it's actually totally run on open-source pc-based routers
[21:36] <DL1SGP> Hi Upu :)
[21:37] <jcoxon> spacenear.us....
[21:37] <jcoxon> tis unhappy for me
[21:37] <DL1SGP> reminds me of the good old days I used an OpenSource Linux Router to Bundle our ISDN channels to get free internet on weekend through accessing data service via local dial in numbers
[21:37] <fsphil> working here, though no flights
[21:38] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: none flying? ;)
[21:38] <jcoxon> getting no maps
[21:38] <mfa298> PC based routers sounds slow, I've seen expensive PC hardware struggle with high data rates >2gbps, compared to decent chassis routers which can do full line rate over many 10's of 10GbE ports.
[21:38] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: normal ok pc easily forwards about 90-100 Gbit
[21:38] <fsphil> isdn though :)
[21:39] <mfa298> snus being slow here over ipv6 but that could be my ipv6
[21:39] <fsphil> 128k tops
[21:39] <eroomde> taking much longer to load than usual here
[21:39] <DL1SGP> indeed :D those were the days
[21:39] <eroomde> still no map
[21:39] <fsphil> ipv6 here, and fast
[21:39] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: you must have PCIe-1000 for that
[21:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: though a bit problematic to get >>10 ports
[21:40] <fsphil> and now a balloon thanks to Upu
[21:40] <jcoxon> waiting for widget.time.is
[21:40] <mfa298> jcoxon: same here
[21:40] <Upu> fixed
[21:40] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: http://www.hotlavasystems.com/products_10gbe.html
[21:41] <Upu> give it a min for the cache
[21:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: ok for realying data from balloon ;)
[21:41] <jcoxon> Upu, thanks
[21:41] <Upu> http://widget.time.is/ is down
[21:41] <fsphil> ah my browser probably as the time thing cached
[21:41] <fsphil> +h
[21:41] <mfa298> Reb-SM3ULC: I'm fully aware of 10GbE nics, I was buying them 2-3 years ago for systems.
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[21:43] <mfa298> but my experience of PC hardware is that it takes a lot of tuning to get decent speeds out.
[21:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: and now you only shop 100GE? ;)
[21:44] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: some tuning needs to be done yes, but we used a linux-dist optimized for routing and didn't change network cards often.
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[21:46] <mfa298> although I think several of those cards will be contended as I think each PCIe2 lane is around 5Gb/s so for 6 ports you need at least 12 lanes
[21:47] <mfa298> compared to a chassis based router I used almost 10 years ago where the backplane was quoted in Tbps
[21:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: yeah, they are overbooked. never used them. only intels normal cards. in normal production 3 cards with 2 port so 6 10GE in total.
[21:48] <jcoxon> suggestions for arduinoish board that can do usb
[21:49] <eroomde> there is a program on
[21:49] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: one of those routers cost about the support-cost for a small Cisco C6500 for a year. that was the businesscase
[21:49] <jcoxon> (e.g. serial port - usb emulation etc)
[21:49] <eroomde> about people who are too fat to fly, chronicling their experiences flying with ryanair out of luton airport
[21:49] <eroomde> you couldn't invent something more awful
[21:50] <mfa298> jcoxon: there's these if you want something on a board http://minimususb.com/
[21:50] <eroomde> the stm32f4 deiscovery board is USB OTG iirc
[21:50] <fsphil> regular arduino board has usb serial?
[21:51] <jcoxon> basically i want to interface a display with pwm with usb
[21:51] <jcoxon> nothing else really
[21:51] <jcoxon> mfa298, looks interesting
[21:51] <mfa298> one of them is the ATmega32U2
[21:52] <mfa298> I got one a couple of years ago to play with, but not done much with it apart from printing a bit of stuff on an LCD
[21:52] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvr9AMWEU-c
[21:52] <arko> thats awesome
[21:52] <arko> rtty would look cool too i bet
[21:53] <fsphil> aaah I miss that sound
[21:53] <arko> me too
[21:53] <mfa298> excellent video
[21:53] <jcoxon> mfa298, http://www.ck3.co.uk/minimus-32-avr-atmel-atmega32u2-usb-dev-board.html
[21:54] <jcoxon> good value
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[21:54] Action: mfa298 wonders if there are any dialup providers still so you can get that good sound
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[21:56] <mfa298> jcoxon: you can also plug in a standard programmer and use avrdude/avrstudio etc.
[21:57] <jcoxon> bbl
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[21:57] <arko> mfa298: yep! earthlink dsl here offers free dialup
[21:58] <arko> so if you have their dsl you can still get dialup
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[21:59] <fsphil> I still have a modem .. could setup an ISP for you :)
[21:59] <daveake> :)
[21:59] <mfa298> looks like there's at least one dialup provider http://www.freeukisp.co.uk/
[22:00] <daveake> I'm sure I have a few modems in the garage
[22:00] <arko> yikes
[22:00] <craag> freeola gives me free dialup with my domain
[22:00] <daveake> They're not going to survive the move
[22:00] <craag> the rsgb used to offer it too
[22:00] <arko> heh, us robotics still makes modems
[22:00] <arko> wow
[22:00] <fsphil> they do?
[22:00] <mfa298> I think I've still got a decent modem in a box somewhere. Proper one with serial ports. not one of the dodgy pci ones.
[22:01] <fsphil> I thought they'd be on to androids by now
[22:01] <ve6ts> ya we still buy em for fax servers
[22:01] <ve6ts> we use multitech and usr sportster modems
[22:01] <fsphil> mfa298: yea it's a serial one here too. got that cable with the 9-pin and 25-pin plugs
[22:01] <arko> http://www.usr.com/home.asp
[22:01] <arko> yep
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[22:01] <fsphil> remember spending ages trying to get it working on linux
[22:01] <arko> POS makes sense
[22:01] <fsphil> I hated linux back then, nothing worked :)
[22:01] <ve6ts> fsphil me 2
[22:01] <arko> haha
[22:02] <fsphil> wvdial eventually made it easy
[22:02] <ve6ts> fsphil i remember when there was no install script
[22:02] <fsphil> ooch
[22:02] <ve6ts> it was fun :)
[22:02] <ve6ts> i was younger and had time back then
[22:02] <fsphil> I still have the first redhat install disk I used somewhere
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[22:03] <ve6ts> hahaha, i might still have some old stuff, i did keep an old dos 5 disk
[22:03] <ve6ts> and my c64 programmers ref
[22:03] <mfa298> I used to have a 486 with isa modem and various 10M nics as a router/dialup box
[22:03] <fsphil> yea I've (most of) a c64 prog ref guide too
[22:03] <ve6ts> mfa298 yup i used openbsd with that
[22:03] <fsphil> few pages missing
[22:03] <mfa298> fsphil: which version was that ?
[22:03] <fsphil> not sure .. it came with it
[22:04] <mfa298> I think I've got a RH5.1 cd somewhere from when I started uni.
[22:04] <fsphil> oh linux .. it's 4.something
[22:04] <fsphil> 4.2
[22:04] <fsphil> 1997... woo
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[22:05] <mfa298> sounds about right, mine was '98
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[22:05] <mfa298> looks like BT only got rid of their dialup service a couple of months ago.
[22:06] <fsphil> lot of cheap ISP-side modems out there perhaps
[22:06] <mfa298> although they might not be so useful.
[22:07] <mfa298> I used an ISP side modem bank which had 4x E1 lines and a Lan port on it
[22:08] Action: nats` needs a third screen
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[22:08] <fsphil> why stop at three?
[22:09] <nats`> because of the place available
[22:09] <fsphil> four is a nice even number
[22:09] <nats`> but I had an idea and I'm waiting for a manufacturer to send me sample at work
[22:10] <nats`> some pico projector
[22:10] <nats`> to wath tv show in bed
[22:10] <ve6ts> i have 3 screens at work now, i used to have 4 at home
[22:10] <nats`> more than two is cool with a good window manager
[22:10] <fsphil> castar glasses and a retroreflective wallpaper would make a nice TV
[22:10] <nats`> tiling if possible
[22:10] <nats`> but with windows...
[22:11] <nats`> http://www.gsr-technology.fr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134&Itemid=188
[22:11] <nats`> why burning your eyes when you can use that :)
[22:12] <fsphil> that can't be very bright
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[22:13] <nats`> ohhh I swear it is
[22:13] <nats`> we tested some at work
[22:13] <fsphil> nice size
[22:13] <nats`> pretty impresisve and the one at work is a small red and green cube
[22:13] <nats`> something like 4x4x4 cm
[22:13] <nats`> with hdmi input
[22:13] <fsphil> what resolution?
[22:13] <nats`> IIRC 720p
[22:14] <nats`> but will tell you tomorrow
[22:14] <fsphil> that's not bad
[22:14] <nats`> that's good you mean :p
[22:14] <nats`> for a stuff like that
[22:14] <fsphil> the last few picos I saw where 640x480
[22:14] <fsphil> but that was some time ago
[22:14] <fsphil> they where not very bright either
[22:14] <fsphil> once the screen was bigger than a 60cm it was quite faint
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[22:15] <fsphil> would make a nice display for spacenear
[22:16] <nats`> uhm you mean for conference room ?
[22:16] <nats`> in that case you'll have brightness problem
[22:17] <nats`> you can't reach the eprformance of a real projector
[22:17] <fsphil> ah ha
[22:17] <nats`> I mean you can use it for a 1 meter screen if it's dark other half that I think
[22:18] <nats`> Ill take picture tomorow
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[22:19] <fsphil> I'll have to see if I can get a lend of one
[22:19] <nats`> I'll tell you the brand
[22:19] <nats`> I didn't know this one before
[22:19] <nats`> but they sent us some sample without even asking
[22:19] <nats`> :)
[22:19] <fsphil> I like them already
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[22:22] <mfa298> fsphil: looks like you can get some ISP modem devices, although a tad expensive http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400280016663
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[22:24] <mfa298> and you might need a way to convert E1 into POTS
[22:24] <fsphil> I'll pass :)
[22:26] <mfa298> people must be desperate for them if they're that price
[22:28] <eroomde> to save the 100000 line crollback, why do we all want modems?
[22:28] <mfa298> we blame arko for a good video
[22:28] <mfa298> 21:52 < arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvr9AMWEU-c
[22:28] <mfa298> we then got nostalgic for the sound
[22:29] <eroomde> oh right
[22:29] <eroomde> so how long until there's a BBS hosten on a hab
[22:29] <staylo> modems are best enjoyed in modulation
[22:29] <eroomde> hosted*
[22:29] <eroomde> 300 baud up and down - easy enough
[22:30] <mfa298> if we get /AM we could run a packet BBS
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[22:30] <eroomde> BBS with a ham spin
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[22:31] <eroomde> WHAT IS BEST ROUTE FROM ST NEOTS TO LUTON PLEASE. 73 DE GRAHAM
[22:31] <eroomde> TODAY I WILL RENEW MY HEMORROIDS PRESCRIPTION
[22:32] <Upu> lol
[22:32] <mfa298> that 2nd one sounds more like it
[22:32] <eroomde> I'M ON THE SEX OFFENDERS REGISTER
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[22:35] <fsphil> context is useful on that last one
[22:37] <eroomde> context: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQqITpxOSY8
[22:37] <eroomde> made me lol
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[22:50] <fsphil> woo, calculator has the 100g hwoyee balloons now. ta whoever did that
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[23:02] <ibanezmatt13> rather late I do believe, night all
[23:03] <fsphil> nite
[23:03] <arko> nightt
[23:04] <Upu> yup
[23:04] <Upu> time is back on spacenear.us
[23:04] <Upu> I'm off as well night all
[23:04] <arko> laterz
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