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[00:15] <example> Hey who's online
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[00:28] <craag> example: Hello, not many!
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[08:44] <DL1SGP> morning folks
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[10:05] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
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[10:18] <mfa298> Good Morning
[10:20] <fsphil> morn
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[10:20] <craag> morning al
[10:20] <craag> and all
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[10:23] <x-f_> good afternoon
[10:23] Nick change: x-f_ -> x-f
[10:25] <cm13g09> morning all
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[10:39] <Herman-PB0AHX> is there a balloon in the air this week if anyone knows
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[10:47] <fsphil> I've applied for a launch on saturday
[10:48] <fsphil> weather permitting
[10:49] <DL1SGP> fingers crossed fsphil you have been waiting for a launch window for a while, haven't you
[10:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx info Phil
[10:49] <fsphil> yea there has always been some issue
[10:49] <fsphil> I'm not going to announce it properly until I know for sure
[10:49] <DL1SGP> safety first, never do anything you do not feel comfortable with :)
[10:50] <mfa298> does that mean it will be a Leo style announcment ?
[10:50] <fsphil> after the fact? :)
[10:50] <fsphil> nah
[10:50] <fsphil> night before
[10:51] <DL1SGP> heh
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[12:02] <nats`> hi
[12:02] <DL1SGP> hi nats`
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[12:59] <Laurenceb> has anyone here connected to windows networks from ubuntu before?
[12:59] <Laurenceb> i havent got the first clue wtf to do
[13:01] <mfa298> as in connecting to a windows file share or something more advanced (authentication etc)
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[13:55] <ibanezmatt13> afternoon
[13:56] <fsphil> tis
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[14:00] <mfa298> it could even be called a good afternoon
[14:00] <mfa298> Blue skies and sunshine here
[14:00] <fsphil> looking outside I can see sunshine here too
[14:01] <fsphil> but it was mighty cold this-morning
[14:01] <fsphil> ice everywhere
[14:02] <DL1SGP> eeek
[14:02] <ibanezmatt13> grey over here, and very cold
[14:02] <DL1SGP> coffee?
[14:02] <fsphil> snow can't be too far away
[14:02] <mfa298> Winter is coming!
[14:08] <cm13g09> nice and bright here too
[14:09] <DL1SGP> cloudy and quite stormy gusts over here
[14:09] <x-f> stormy but +9C here, not complaining
[14:18] <gonzo_> cold is ok. I'm looking forward to being able to use the new wood burner in the workshop
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[14:34] <fsphil> that's gonna be cosy gonzo_
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[14:36] <daveake> We'll have one in the new house. Those things kick out a lot of heat
[14:38] <mfa298> having an Aga in the kitchen is good as well. It's very nice on a cold winter morning being able to go into a nice warm room and boil a kettle quickly.
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[14:40] <daveake> There was a hot water tap thing on telly that has its own mains power so it heats as it dispenses
[14:40] <daveake> Seemed a neat idea
[14:41] <daveake> £2000 neat however
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> There are much, much cheper ones.
[14:41] <daveake> cool where?
[14:41] <mfa298> that's probably a bit cheaper than an Aga although running costs might make it more expensive in the long run.
[14:41] <mattbrejza> you can create your own with a kettle, some pipe, and some gaffa tape
[14:42] <daveake> Our new place has a combo boiler; can't imagine it's cheap to have it switch on and off frequently
[14:42] <fsphil> I've often wondered if you could get a little box that microwaves water on demand
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> http://www.screwfix.com/p/ariston-europrisma-2kw-10litre-usink-water-heater/75532
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: microwave is insanely inefficient. REsistive heater works well
[14:42] <daveake> Cheers SpeedEvil
[14:42] <fsphil> true
[14:42] <daveake> That's more like it :)
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> http://www.screwfix.com/p/galaxy-gap108-powerstream-unvented-instant-water-heater-10-8kw/85541 Or for instant
[14:43] <mattbrejza> i would have thought hte combi boiler would be cheaper to run though, gas being cheaper than elec
[14:43] <fsphil> no everywhere can get gas
[14:43] <fsphil> +t
[14:43] <daveake> It's an LPG boiler
[14:44] <mattbrejza> oh right :/
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> mattbrejza: It's actually not that simple - if much of your draw-offs is sub 1l
[14:44] <daveake> Price of living in the sticks
[14:44] <daveake> But it was more the delay in warming up the boiler and all the pipework that I was thinking about
[14:44] <mattbrejza> i think newer boilers have little hot water tanks in them so its not so bad?
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360779373076?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[14:45] <daveake> I'll check; it's pretty new
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> mattbrejza: That helps with the immediate heat ouptu issue.
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> It does not improve energy usage.
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> In fact, it worsens it.
[14:46] <mattbrejza> yea i guess it would
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> If you have a litre in the pipes, that goes cold each time you draw it off, efficiency is suddenly down by 50% of the large volume efficiency
[14:46] <mfa298> I imagine in a lot of instances it depends on the sort of usage it's getting and pipe lengths etc.
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[14:46] <mattbrejza> anyway, dont listen to me, not exactly a boiler expert :P
[14:47] Action: mfa298 wonders if one of those little heaters would run a bath and couple of sinks. It would probably beat an immersion heater for a small flat.
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[14:48] <SpeedEvil> For small heat outputs - under say 8kWish - electric heat pumps are vastly better than LPG
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> Modern efficient ones can have >5 times the heat output as electricity in
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.orionairsales.co.uk/toshiba-air-conditioning-ras-b10skvp-25kw--8250btu-inverter-490-p.asp - say
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[14:49] <SpeedEvil> At 7C ambient, 1kWh in gets you 5.7kWh out
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[15:20] <gonzo_> I suspect the cost of keeping a talk of water hot, is greater than the losses in heating some pipework to the taps for the odd bowl of water.
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> It often turns out to be a wash.
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> From studies I've looked at.
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Combi boilers are often not significantly better 'in real life'
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> There was a large study that instrumented close to a hundred boilers across the UK
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[15:38] <nats`> what is the command to ask the bot when someone last seen here
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[15:39] <nats`> thx ;)
[15:39] <craag> huh, guess he's been kidnapped :P
[15:40] <daveake> He'll probably show 5 minutes after B52 (or whatever the next one is) has launched :p
[15:40] <fsphil> rock lobster edition
[15:40] <daveake> HAB shack
[15:40] <Upu> Leo is on holiday
[15:40] <daveake> Business down then Upu?
[15:40] <Upu> yeah big style
[15:41] <daveake> :)
[15:41] <Upu> had to branch out in to Raspberry Pi stuff
[15:41] <Upu> uff
[15:41] <daveake> :)
[15:41] <LazyLeopard> Heh. B52 was the beta baseline version the day the potential customers from Viet Nam came to call...
[15:43] <nats`> thanks Upu I'll mail so
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[16:14] <chrisstubbs> Afternoon
[16:16] <DL1SGP> hi chrisstubbs
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[16:32] <gonzo_> or leo forgot to let go of the string and he's been floating around the north sea for days
[16:32] <gonzo_> (above the north sea)
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[16:35] <SpeedEvil> https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/kepler?launcher=false - Kepler science conference II about to start. - in 5 mins is the future kepler plans.
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[16:51] <Yahoo> Hello to everybody. Who knows when SP3OSJ baloon will fly? Thnx.
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> Kepler spacecraft status - and they're going onto the followon mission
[16:55] <mfa298> Yahoo: launches are normally announced on the mailing list http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
[16:55] <mfa298> As the SP3OSJ is marked as SP3OSJ_test I suspect that's only testing software/hardware at the moment
[16:55] <Yahoo> Ohh, now I know :) Thanks.
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[19:13] <x-f> well, that was fun
[19:13] <x-f> thanks for the heads-up, SpeedEvil
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[19:38] <Willdude123> http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
[19:38] <Willdude123> Oops wrong channel
[19:38] <DL1SGP> heh
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[19:43] <fsphil> wrong channel, or wrong channel?
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[19:49] <fsphil> man that's as dull as bbc parliament
[19:49] <arko> no one watches cspan
[19:49] <arko> not even here
[19:49] <arko> and we wonder why our congress sucks
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[20:03] <chrisstubbs> I'm thinking of getting myself a Aoyue 857A++ hot air rework station
[20:04] <chrisstubbs> Would this style of nozzle be worth getting for packagaes like the tqfp atmega: http://bit.ly/1b0laSq or would the standard round/square nozzle be okay?
[20:07] <Upu_M0UPU> thats for removing
[20:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> You can make shields to protect items from heat ... thick foil strip cut to length to forma square which you drop over around items to be protected ...
[20:07] <chrisstubbs> The nozzle or the whole thing upu?
[20:07] <Upu_M0UPU> its a hot air nozzle used for rework/removal
[20:09] <chrisstubbs> Oh right okay
[20:25] <chrisstubbs> I see, just watched some videos on it
[20:26] <chrisstubbs> Looks like a good way of doing it, I'd certainly like to give it a go! Need to pick a paste syringe to go with it too
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[20:37] <ibanezmatt13> impressive for a heli: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Netherlands---Air/Boeing-AH-64D-Apache/2327832/L/
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[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:49] <mclane> Hi LL
[20:49] <chrisstubbs> hi lunar
[20:49] <mclane> wie gehts? was macht das Studium?
[20:54] <DL1SGP1> Nabend Lunar_Lander und mclane
[20:54] <tweetBot> @NORB_HAB: Check out NORB's latest project: The NORB Rocket Trajectory Predictor! http://t.co/pnvsjkgS7H #hab #ukhas
[20:55] <mclane> Hallo DL1SGP1
[20:57] <mclane> Here are my newest adventures over the long nasty-weather weekend: http://stratosphaere.net/index.php/en/en-home-2/blog-en/165-der-himbeer-tracker-2
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[21:02] <ibanezmatt13> I'd like to create an array that goes in steps of 0.1 from one value to another. I'm not quite sure how I should do that
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane DL1SGP1
[21:03] <ibanezmatt13> So say I wanted an array of masses, from 0.1 to 5.0, going up in 0.1 steps. How should I go about that so I don't have to have 50 elements entered manually
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, uni geht gut, danke
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:03] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, for loop, 0.1 steps
[21:04] <ibanezmatt13> that's exactly what I was thinking. Probably the best way actually
[21:04] <chrisstubbs> each time create a new element in said array with the value x (or whatever variable your loop increments)
[21:04] <ibanezmatt13> and then break the loop when the current position in the array is my upper limit
[21:04] <chrisstubbs> i think that should work with a decimal step as long as you define the for loops variable as a float or something decimal-y
[21:04] <ibanezmatt13> awesome, thanks
[21:05] <chrisstubbs> "The range function creates a list containing numbers defined by the input."
[21:06] <chrisstubbs> sounds promising
[21:06] <ibanezmatt13> oh yes of course
[21:06] <ibanezmatt13> for i in range(min_val, max_val):
[21:06] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[21:06] <chrisstubbs> well not even that, range has created your array
[21:06] <chrisstubbs> you can even specify a stop
[21:06] <chrisstubbs> *step
[21:06] <chrisstubbs> array = range(start,stop,step)
[21:07] <ibanezmatt13> that would work? wow
[21:07] <ibanezmatt13> myarray = range(min_val, max_val, 0.1)
[21:07] <chrisstubbs> looks about right, give it a go!
[21:07] <ibanezmatt13> will do, thanks! :)
[21:08] <ibanezmatt13> ah nope, it takes integer values. Must mean the element in the list and not the data that goes in the element :/
[21:08] <ibanezmatt13> ah well
[21:09] <ibanezmatt13> I'll just use the other methid :)
[21:09] <ibanezmatt13> method*
[21:09] <chrisstubbs> darn, that would have been nice
[21:09] <darkstar-2001> np.arange(min_val, max_val, 0.1) (if its python and you have numpy installed)
[21:09] <ibanezmatt13> oh right
[21:09] <ibanezmatt13> worth a try
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[21:10] <ibanezmatt13> awesome darkstar-2001 it worked!
[21:10] <ibanezmatt13> thank you
[21:11] <darkstar-2001> cool.
[21:11] <ibanezmatt13> same principle chrisstubbs, just needed numpy
[21:11] <chrisstubbs> numpty :)
[21:11] <ibanezmatt13> lol
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[21:16] <Willdude123> Someone's talking about ENDA now guys, I've got a good feeling about this
[21:16] <Willdude123> Oops, wrong channel again :)
[21:17] <DL1SGP1> haha
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[21:21] <chrisstubbs> A while ago someone sent me a link to a pack of 4 small reels of enamelled wire on farnell, I dont suppose that someone can remember what it was called or has the link? :P
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[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> hi anthony
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
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