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[08:09] <uu4jlm_Valeryi> GB> B> B8H8=0 2 G0B5
[08:14] <Upu> early morning
[08:14] <Upu> everyone is sleeping uu4jlm_Valeryi :)
[08:15] <eroomde> yep
[08:16] <x-f> those timezones..
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[08:27] <arko> oh yeah thats tonight?
[08:27] <arko> sweet
[08:28] <eroomde> what is tonight?
[08:28] <arko> time change
[08:28] <arko> no?
[08:29] <eroomde> last week in the uk
[08:29] <arko> oh right
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[08:41] <uu4jlm_Valeryi> A5< ?@825B A .6=>3> 15@530 @K<0 :)
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[08:41] <ibanezmatt13> morning
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[08:43] <ibanezmatt13> morning daveake
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[08:46] <DL1SGP1> morning folks
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[08:47] <ibanezmatt13> morning :-)
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[09:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good Morning
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[09:07] <jcoxon> morning Steve_G0TDJ
[09:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> HI James
[09:09] <DL1SGP> yo steve :D
[09:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm not REALLY superstitious but I'm not going to comment on prevailing conditions!
[09:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Felix, Good Morning
[09:09] <DL1SGP> it is blue sky and sunny here Steve :)
[09:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Pretty much
[09:10] <DL1SGP> at least above the rain clouds :D
[09:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> ;-)
[09:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[09:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well, I'm going to start getting stuff sorted but it looks like it's a go
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[09:11] <DL1SGP> if I knew which contest that uw7m was working I would get back to him lol, looking at the high serial# spit out I would tend towards Ukrainian DX Contest
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[09:13] <PA1SDB> gm
[09:15] <DL1SGP> goedenmorgen PA1SDB
[09:15] <jcoxon> Steve_G0TDJ_Prep, i'll stick up my antenna in a bit
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[09:17] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Cool jcoxon I'll be in and out of the room this morning.
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[10:16] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Right, mostly set up. Having a cuppa and a run-through in my mind of the launch.
[10:17] Action: DL1SGP is jealous especially about the cuppa part :D
[10:17] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> LOL
[10:18] <DL1SGP> do you aim for float or will you chase it later on Steve?
[10:18] <daveake> I think "better than last time" should do :p
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> I'd like a float if possible.
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> And that Dave :D
[10:19] <DL1SGP> lol daveake, WX might help on that
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> I'm going to see if I can get the ascent as slow as possible and hope for a bt of help fro the Sun
[10:19] <DL1SGP> STS-9 is in air
[10:19] <DL1SGP> SUn? I thought you were in UK
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> :D Good point Felix!
[10:21] <DL1SGP> TUX_chase_car was parking in reverse, last speed on snus: -3,6km/h
[10:21] <DL1SGP> :D
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[10:40] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Getting a bit blustery around here......
[10:40] <Upu> Steve_G0TDJ you could throw it further than last time
[10:41] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> I@ll try
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[10:41] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Oh, I love your board Upu I happend to see you post in #hackvana
[10:41] <Upu> cheers Steve :)
[10:42] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> I may steal the programming header idea ;-)
[10:42] <DL1SGP> heh sneaky
[10:42] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> It's genius
[10:42] <Upu> the edge mount is in my library
[10:42] <Upu> which I've probably not sync'd with github yet
[10:42] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Oh, I@ll have to look for that
[10:42] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Ah
[10:43] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Wich version of Eagle do you use Anthony?
[10:43] <Upu> 6.3
[10:43] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Cool
[10:43] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> I did have difficulties with your previous lib. I had to edit it to make it compatible for some reason
[10:45] <Upu> https://github.com/Upuaut/Eagle-Libraries/commit/cb31041931225fe15c7d5121d121dfbf4b9fbceb
[10:45] <Upu> done
[10:45] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Cheers Anthony, I@ll grab that
[10:46] <Upu> right I shall await your launch
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[10:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
[10:47] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> OK Cool, thanks
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[10:48] <craag> Morning Steve_G0TDJ_Prep
[10:48] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> HI Phil :D
[10:49] <craag> Where are you launching from today? :)
[10:49] <DL1SGP> Good morning craag
[10:49] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Crayford, near where I live
[10:50] <daveake> Any trees?
[10:50] <craag> Wrong side of london :P Is the prediction for it to float east>
[10:50] <craag> ?
[10:50] <craag> morning DL1SGP
[10:50] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Yes, but I'll be mostly above them
[10:50] <daveake> :)
[10:50] <daveake> Ever the optimist :p
[10:50] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Towards Margate craag
[10:51] <craag> Ah cool! I won't be able to track from here, but I'll be watching, good luck!
[10:51] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Thanks Phil
[10:51] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> I was hoping my friend Ian G7PHD would get online, he's in Thanet
[10:56] <DL1SGP> Do you have a boat Steve? ^^
[10:56] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> :-) No...
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[11:15] <Krouty^oFf> hey guys, I'm looking for an appropriate parachute for my payload which is probably going to be 750g. What do I need to look out for?
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[11:23] <SpeedEvil> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:parachute_sizing_chart
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[11:26] <PE2G> Krouty^oFf: If you're willing to settle for a used Aeromet PC 110 met-parachute, I can send you one.
[11:26] <PE2G> http://www.aeromet.de/products/parachutes/tech__spez__parachutes/tech__spez__parachutes.shtml
[11:28] <Krouty^oFf> brill, thank you guys
[11:28] <Krouty^oFf> PE2G, first I need to figure out what specs I need, thanks for the offer though
[11:29] <Krouty^oFf> one more question: what is a good ascent rate for a balloon regarding your experiences? 5m/s, is that realistic?
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[11:31] <mfa298> if it's a latex balloon and you want it to burst then 5m/s is good,
[11:33] <mfa298> there's a predictor at http://predict.habhub.org/ which you can use to see where a given ascent rate/ descent rate might land
[11:33] <Krouty^oFf> perfect, thanks mfa298
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[11:34] <mfa298> http://habhub.org/calc/ will help you work out how high a given balloon will go with your payload weight and how much gas you need.
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> Much below 5m/s may not burst
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[11:39] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SE2013Nov03H.png - todays eclipse seems to be near that oft-visited for HAB point.
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> 0N,0E
[11:40] <Krouty^oFf> With a payload of 750g, 5m/s ascent rate and the PAWAN 1200, the result is: Result: Burst Altitude: 32462 m, Ascent Rate: 5.45 m/s, Time to Burst: 99 min, Neck Lift: 1904 g,
[11:40] <Krouty^oFf> Volume: 3.02 m3, 3024 L, 106.8 ft3
[11:40] <Krouty^oFf> is that feasable?
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[12:05] <M0SHX_Steve> G0TDJ - are you there?
[12:05] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> M0SHX_Steve: Here
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[12:05] <M0SHX_Steve> I'm just goping out to setup an antenna
[12:05] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Cool. Where are you?
[12:05] <M0SHX_Steve> thought I would pop on and say hi, and wish you luck
[12:05] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Cool, thanks :-)
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> It's very blustery but I'll see what I can do
[12:06] <M0SHX_Steve> I'm going to try to track from home
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> OK
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Oh! Steve H
[12:06] <M0SHX_Steve> in Didcot - 20 Kms south of Oxford
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Great. Well. you might be lucky with a beam once it gets up a bit
[12:06] <M0SHX_Steve> that's what I'm hoping for
[12:06] <M0SHX_Steve> :)
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> :-)
[12:07] <G0REL> I am just watching from home on space-near-us. I wish you success!
[12:07] <Steve_G0TDJ_Prep> Thanks G0REL
[12:07] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_Prep -> Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU
[12:08] <DL1SGP> yay
[12:08] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> :-)
[12:08] <LazyLeopard> How far off launch are you, Steve?
[12:08] <M0SHX_Steve> G0REL is Richard - from the JOTA weekend
[12:08] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Oh cool - Hi Richard :D
[12:09] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> LazyLeopard: 12:30 ish
[12:09] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> brb door!
[12:09] <LazyLeopard> Ok, I'll get set up...
[12:10] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Yep, setting up too. See you soon guys
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[12:20] <Maxell> Hmm, STS-9 leaking, or just rain?
[12:26] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Just waiting for a lock and then we're off to the launch site
[12:26] <DL1SGP> woot, do not forget to put the kettle on so you got plenty of coffee once back
[12:27] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Kettle on :D
[12:27] Nick change: Krouty^oFf -> _cOdaC_
[12:28] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Gonna try and get a uStream going of the launch. Watch out for URL in here
[12:28] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Wish me luck!
[12:28] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> ..
[12:28] <DL1SGP> Good Luck!
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[12:30] <LazyL_M0LEP> Exact frequency known yet?
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[12:35] <LazyL_M0LEP> 434.297.3 and rising
[12:37] <LazyL_M0LEP> Bit fadey still...
[12:39] <LazyL_M0LEP> 434.297.7 now and steadier but very faint.
[12:40] <fsphil> is this vayu?
[12:41] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yes.
[12:41] <LazyL_M0LEP> Not convinced it's actually launched yet, but I am close...
[12:42] <LazyL_M0LEP> Not close enough to get reasonable decodes though.
[12:42] <fsphil> you're receiving it on the ground?
[12:42] <fsphil> cool
[12:42] <LazyL_M0LEP> Well, it is only about 8 miles away.
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[12:43] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...and I'm not seeing it at the moment.
[12:43] <LazyL_M0LEP> hearing. whatever...
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[12:44] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ah. That's better!
[12:45] <x-f> you decoded :)
[12:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yep :)
[12:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> Dial 434.297.8
[12:45] <fsphil> looks like a launch
[12:46] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oh yes.
[12:46] <fsphil> yea
[12:46] <fsphil> ascent is choppy
[12:46] <Maxell> Will this pico float?
[12:47] <mfa298> Maxell: I think that was the plan, although 3.9m/s ascent might be more like a burst
[12:47] <fsphil> the ascent is a bit fast for that
[12:47] <fsphil> but pico flights are unpredictable
[12:47] <mfa298> might depend if it's one or more balloons as well
[12:49] <mfa298> decodes over 8 miles when it's on the ground is always good (I think that's similar to what I managed with one of mattbrejza's launches).
[12:49] <LazyL_M0LEP> Dial up to 434.298.7 now
[12:50] <fsphil> coming up to the thames
[12:50] <fsphil> oooh flying over a power station
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[12:51] <db_g6gzh> on the waterfall here, still weak but is below horizon
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[12:52] <mfa298> well Steve's definetly managed to do better than last time :D
[12:52] <DL7AD> good afternoon
[12:53] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... Descending...
[12:53] <mfa298> and coming down ?
[12:53] <fsphil> "Lion's Den Gorge" -- I bet this isn't as exciting as it sounds
[12:53] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ah. Maybe just a bump...
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[12:53] <mfa298> could be being blown around a bit
[12:54] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm...
[12:54] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hopefully
[12:54] <fsphil> not looking like it
[12:54] <fsphil> oh wait
[12:54] <LazyL_M0LEP> No.
[12:54] <fsphil> pull up! pull up!
[12:54] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ah. Up ish...
[12:55] <mfa298> levelled off a bit in the altitude graph
[12:55] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Hi Guys!
[12:56] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Bumpy ride up there
[12:56] <mfa298> needs faster updates on the telemetry.
[12:56] <mfa298> Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU: how many balloons on this one ?
[12:56] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Just the one 36in foil
[12:57] <fsphil> Koala Park --- bet that's not as good as it sounds either
[12:57] <fsphil> oh another power station
[12:58] <GMT> so this flight will cross the Thames 4 times
[12:58] Action: mfa298 wonders how long until we hear about an emergency meeting of cobra due to UFO over various power stations / sub stations.
[12:58] <db_g6gzh> decodes, and a URL 8-)
[12:58] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> LOL
[12:59] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Right! Cuppa time :-)
[12:59] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> brb
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[12:59] <fsphil> we don't give them your name Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU who launched VAYU at those power stations, don't worry
[13:00] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> ;-)
[13:00] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> haha, <PRISM_OFF>
[13:01] <GMT> ... just listening to ATC comms ... there's a Police helo being sont down to Gravesend to investigate 'an anomoly'
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[13:01] <GMT> surely that should be </PRISM>
[13:01] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> No, that would actually turn it off
[13:01] <daveake> Flying past power stations ... sounds like a good idea :-) http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/04/article-0-0E17161C00000578-179_468x286.jpg
[13:01] <fsphil> <!-- you need to type like this to avoid them listening -->
[13:01] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> // OK
[13:02] <fsphil> /* now you've got it */
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[13:02] <db_g6gzh> did you type something then fsphil ?
[13:02] <Maxell> hey Wouter-[pa3weg]!!
[13:03] <Maxell> Hope we have something to track today :)
[13:04] <Maxell> mfa298 and fsphil said it might get tricky :)
[13:04] <DL1SGP> looks like a new distance record for Steve :)
[13:04] <fsphil> lol
[13:04] <M0SXH_Steve> lol
[13:05] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> ROTFL :D
[13:05] <daveake> That's 'cos I'm not "helping" this time :)
[13:06] <LazyL_M0LEP> Uh huh...
[13:06] <LazyL_M0LEP> What happened last time? Or is it one of those "Don't ask." situations...
[13:06] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> We will try any way
[13:06] <db_g6gzh> Congrats Steve, would never have thought you could walk to a launch site within the M25 8-)
[13:06] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Thanks db_g6gzh
[13:06] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I guess Den Haag and neighbours are ready
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[13:08] <Andrew_M6GTG-2> Looking good Steve
[13:09] <DL1SGP> when it leaves powersafe mode the italian made linear that now is missing from Steve's shack will kick in :D
[13:10] <DL1SGP> joke
[13:10] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> :-)
[13:10] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> I'm Chuffed Andrew_M6GTG-2
[13:10] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> My friend Steve G8JZT is tracking. Cool.
[13:11] <Andrew_M6GTG-2> Wonder if it will get high enough for me to get a decode ;-)
[13:11] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Climbing very slowly
[13:11] <DL1SGP> loosk pretty nice Steve, congrats
[13:11] <CHRISG7OGX> Steve congratulations..nice sigs on south coast
[13:12] <Herman-PB0AHX> I'm ready to bring it on the balloon
[13:13] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Thanks for the tweet Jon
[13:13] <GMT> did it just momentarily stop?
[13:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> I got withdrawal symptoms last week
[13:14] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> The Tx is reset every 50 sentences Graham
[13:14] <GMT> okay, that makes sense ... I missed out the 'VA' in VAYU
[13:17] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Over water, no recovering now
[13:18] <db_g6gzh> for those not yet in range, shift is about 470
[13:18] <DL1SGP> unless you have good relation to RNLI
[13:18] <LazyL_M0LEP> Not that far from the wreck of the Montgomery. ;)
[13:18] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Thanks for the update db_g6gzh
[13:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> getting partial stuff here
[13:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> clearly the CSUM at some point
[13:24] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Well done Wouter
[13:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> $VAYU-1,241,13:2Z:5s,51.6096$0.03(13,3002,47.x9,7$1,,2.864*582A
[13:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> almost
[13:25] <PB1DFT> da's nie genoeg
[13:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> fragmenst of an URL here
[13:27] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Wouter, it's my blog URL
[13:27] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Every 10 sentences
[13:28] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> green
[13:28] <DL1SGP> Great Wouter
[13:28] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> YAY
[13:28] <M0SXH_Steve> sorry - amateur question - what does it mean when you say that the TX resets every 50 sentences?
[13:28] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> The computer code powers down the transmitter every 50 sentences in case it crashes
[13:29] <M0SXH_Steve> ok - makes sense
[13:29] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> almost......!
[13:29] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> InLo on: http://www.projecthab.co.uk
[13:30] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Won't be long Wouter
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[13:30] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Hey MAtt :-)
[13:30] <ibanezmatt13> Hey Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU, looking good
[13:30] <DL1SGP> yo Matt
[13:30] <ibanezmatt13> yo Felix
[13:30] <M0SXH_Steve> sorry Steve - do you mean that the PIC resets the TX module in case the tx module hangs for some reason?
[13:30] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Yeah, I'm very pleased with it so far.
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[13:31] <ibanezmatt13> excellent
[13:31] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Yes M0SXH_Steve but it's an Atmel AVR
[13:31] <tracker1> anyone tracking vayu -1
[13:31] <Andrew_M6GTG-2> is freq 434.300?
[13:31] <tracker1> yeah
[13:31] <tracker1> usb
[13:31] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Pretty much, slightly low 434.299.98
[13:32] <LazyL_M0LEP> Heh. First green line I got was reporting an altitude of 35m ;)
[13:32] <Andrew_M6GTG-2> k, blue circle is approaching ;-)
[13:32] <DL1SGP> Steve, if it goes as the current prediction indicates and swings slightly north after having passed Cologne I gonna be able to hear it :)
[13:32] <DL1SGP> if battery lasts that long :)
[13:32] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> I really hope so Felix
[13:33] <DL1SGP> if it decides for Frankfurt course, no luck
[13:33] <DL1SGP> we'll see
[13:33] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Yep, gotta see what the winds are doing
[13:34] <DL1SGP> They are giving a blow, that's best they can do
[13:34] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> http://pa3weg.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/VAYU-1.jpg
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[13:34] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Cool Wouter
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[13:38] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> whooow
[13:38] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> drifting like crazy
[13:38] <GMT> drifty
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[13:38] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Odd...
[13:38] <LazyL_M0LEP> That was weird!
[13:39] <DL1SGP> kaboom?
[13:39] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Yep, looks like a burst!
[13:39] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> that drift was burst
[13:39] <DL1SGP> it got shot down
[13:39] <DL1SGP> :)
[13:39] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oh dear....
[13:39] <M0SXH_Steve> have you got your swimming trunks handy?
[13:40] <LazyL_M0LEP> Damp landing...
[13:40] <DL1SGP> Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU: it won't make it here, sorry, else I would have helped :)
[13:40] <fsphil> boy it's coming down fast
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[13:40] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> I know Felix, THanks
[13:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> still seeing it, but no chance of decoding
[13:42] <PB0NER> to late
[13:43] <PB0NER> for me
[13:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> anticlimax, boner ;)
[13:43] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> It won't be my last
[13:43] <PB0NER> just woke up :)
[13:43] <M0SXH_Steve> Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU - on the bright side - it's at least 100 times better than it's first flight :)
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[13:44] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> M0SXH_Steve: I'm not dissapointed at all :-)
[13:44] <M0SXH_Steve> I can definitely feel this becoming *another* expensive hobby of mine :)
[13:45] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> LOL Steve
[13:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> Pretty much gone now...
[13:45] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Yeah, lost here
[13:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> Fun though. :)
[13:45] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Very
[13:45] <M6GTG_Andrew|2> when does the tide come in?
[13:46] <Maxell> & back
[13:46] <Maxell> -294,13:37:47,51.465111,01.2081,$272,68.48,7,1,1,2.85,3*B3z
[13:46] <Maxell> :o
[13:46] <Upu> damn missed it
[13:46] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Awww
[13:46] Nick change: M6GTG_Andrew|2 -> Andrew_M6GTG
[13:47] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Thanks for all the help tracking guys - Much appreciated
[13:47] <Maxell> k
[13:47] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Also everyone who was ready to track too
[13:48] <Upu> lol
[13:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> no thanks Steve i trying but i writing 1 line green
[13:48] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> 1 is better than none :-)
[13:49] <M0SXH_Steve> the best I got was a very quiet tone... buried in the noise... but, none-the-less, I had fun trying to track
[13:49] <M0SXH_Steve> is there a central place where people announce their balloon launches?
[13:49] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Yes, on the UKHAS Google Group
[13:49] <M0SXH_Steve> ok
[13:50] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> M0SXH_Steve: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[13:50] <GMT> unless you're Leo :-)
[13:50] <Upu> also check the info box on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[13:50] <Upu> I try keep that current
[13:50] <Upu> not always sucessful mind
[13:51] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> True GMT
[13:51] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> You need to send one up yourself Steve ;-)
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[13:55] <M0SXH_Steve> mmm... I suspect that Richard and I will, at some point, get more involved... but let's wait and see :)
[13:56] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> This is the place to be
[13:57] <mfa298> there can be a fair bit of fun from just trying to track the balloons and seeing what you can pull out of the noise.
[13:57] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> That's how I started
[13:58] <mfa298> and if something comes near you seeing if you can help with the chase
[13:58] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> And that :-)
[13:59] <M0SXH_Steve> Yep - Richard and I have already talked about trying to find a better location for tracking
[13:59] <M0SXH_Steve> chasing sounds like fun too :)
[14:00] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> I hope we can all get together next year for the JOTA thing Steve
[14:00] <mfa298> it's certainly a good test of map reading and direction skills
[14:02] <Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> RIght Guys. Thanks again. I'm off for a spot of lunch with my comrades now. Catch you all later - 73!
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[14:03] <M0SXH_Steve> there's a couple of good points there - 1. it would be great to get the HAB community involved in JOTA and I look forward to that happening
[14:03] <M0SXH_Steve> and 2. you're right it is a good test of map reading and direction skills
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[14:05] <M0SXH_Steve> I can see a mocked balloon recovery being part of the fun at a JOTA event where they have to map read and DF hunt to find the balloon and payload
[14:05] <daveake> Make it a real one then they can practice their tree-climbing skills :)
[14:06] <M0SXH_Steve> thanks to Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU I already have a downed balloon to set it up :)
[14:06] <fsphil> steve's recovery rate is now 50%. level with me :)
[14:06] <DL1SGP> and it even was tested in british WX condition before :D
[14:14] <M0SXH_Steve> thanks guys - I've had fun, but it's time to go get something to eat and chill out.
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[14:30] <G0REL> Thank you Steve. It was good to see that Vayu's second flight was so much better than the first - but then the weather was much better.
[14:31] <G0REL> Still it was a pity that it was cut short when ll seemed to be going so well.
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[14:32] <G0REL> I am looking forward to helping Steve (M0SXH) in the future. I like his idea of a DF hunt with a 'downed balloon' as the 'fox'.
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[14:39] <ibanezmatt13> What happened to VAYU-1?
[14:39] <ibanezmatt13> strong winds or something?
[14:40] <wd8mnv> looks like it popped quick
[14:40] <ibanezmatt13> ah
[14:40] <ibanezmatt13> shame
[14:40] <mfa298> probably winds on the way up making it do interesting things but then I think it burst
[14:41] <mfa298> ascent rate was probably a tad high for it to float.
[14:41] <ibanezmatt13> ah. Very windy so that didn't help matters I would imagine
[14:41] <wd8mnv> what kind of balloon was it?
[14:42] <mfa298> 12:56 < Steve_G0TDJ_VAYU> Just the one 36in foil
[14:42] <wd8mnv> k...
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[17:01] <DL7AD> evening
[17:01] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> Hiya
[17:01] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_AFK -> Steve_G0TDJ
[17:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> All quiet in here now....
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[17:02] <DL7AD> you're right Steve_G0TDJ... no floater
[17:03] <DL7AD> btw what happened to leo? did not see him for days
[17:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> No sadly, it came down a bit early.
[17:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Dunno, probably having a HAB Break :-)
[17:04] <DL7AD> collecting new energy for new habs
[17:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> In bottles? :-)
[17:06] <Upu> DL7AD he's on holiday
[17:06] <DL7AD> ah okay :) as i said. collecting new energy for new habs ^^
[17:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Whilst you're here Upu http://gerblook.org/pcb/zaSaMxVpkcQGcbvzmjyH7U
[17:08] <Upu> not looking at it Steve due to through holes
[17:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[17:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just peek quickly
[17:09] <Upu> whats the SMD thing that crept in at the right ?
[17:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh. power switch. It can be left off and the pads bridged
[17:10] <Upu> apart from through hole nastyness its ok :)
[17:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-) Cool. I'll show GMT next time he's around
[17:11] <Upu> crystal should be closer to the AVR
[17:11] <Upu> but will probably work
[17:11] <Upu> s/probably/' '
[17:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> I might nudge it a bit. THere's room
[17:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Another job for tomorrow
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[17:29] <chrisstubbs> Hi Steve_G0TDJ
[17:29] <chrisstubbs> and everyone
[17:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Chris :D
[17:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> You missed my filght
[17:30] <chrisstubbs> aw man :(
[17:31] <chrisstubbs> first chance ive had to use the computer all weekend :(
[17:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Never mind, It was only up for an hour.
[17:31] <chrisstubbs> went a fair bit further this time though!
[17:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Felix has done some investigating and he thinks it was downed by an aircraft
[17:31] <chrisstubbs> one balloon or two?
[17:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> One 36in Foil
[17:32] <chrisstubbs> sounds a bit worrying
[17:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Wait till you see his graphic
[17:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm holding on cos he's going to finesse it but I@ll write a full blog entry
[17:33] <chrisstubbs> ascent looks like about 1.5m/s, and you were using 2xaaa?
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[17:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> Almost 80kM away from here. Yes, 2xAA Ultras
[17:34] <chrisstubbs> did you get the total weight?
[17:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, 38.7g
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[17:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's including the Info card
[17:35] <ibanezmatt13> hey Steve_G0TDJ
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[17:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey MAtt :-)
[17:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> I actually did a couple of tests this time Chris. It was useful to fine tune the launch point
[17:36] <chrisstubbs> I would like to think it had just burst, with the ascent rate I think you would have been lucky for it not to burst. Interested to see felix's report
[17:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well that's all OK but it came down very fast
[17:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> And after you see how close the plane came you may think differently
[17:38] <ibanezmatt13> I'm still wondering what to do with NORB 3, so many options. Want to make it interesting
[17:38] <Steve_G0TDJ> Something useful....
[17:38] <chrisstubbs> Go for the DIY trebuchet altitude record
[17:38] <chrisstubbs> Not so useful
[17:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[17:39] <ibanezmatt13> interesting vs useful...
[17:39] <ibanezmatt13> I don't think useful comes into it :P
[17:39] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'd like to send 2x balloons up and have them communicate with each other
[17:39] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, that'd be good
[17:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> So, one has Temp, one has Humidity and they swap data and send out
[17:40] <Steve_G0TDJ> or something
[17:40] <ibanezmatt13> very good idea
[17:40] <ibanezmatt13> chrisstubbs:, I'm still undecided even after our chat about spectacular habbing :)
[17:41] <chrisstubbs> Afraid I cant remember many of my crazy idea, I need to write them down
[17:41] <ibanezmatt13> The mid air laser quest between two habs
[17:41] <ibanezmatt13> both with h2
[17:41] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[17:42] <ibanezmatt13> winner comes down in one piece
[17:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Zaaaaaaaaaaaap BANG!
[17:42] <chrisstubbs> Just had a new one: you can pick up a tiny rc heli for about £10 now (cheaper than launching a pico), could you put a slightly bigger lipo in it, attatch GPS RTTY tracker and see how high you can get it to go
[17:42] <chrisstubbs> just lock it on full power
[17:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> We could send a laser cluster up - Last HAB flying!
[17:42] <ibanezmatt13> lol, that would be a good idea chrisstubbs
[17:42] <LazyL_M0LEP> Steve_G0TDJ: Thee was a very unusual frequency change just before it started to descend.
[17:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, LazyL_M0LEP Perhaps that was the hot fumes of the plane
[17:43] <chrisstubbs> Does it make it a UAV even if its not in my control? The power would be locked on full so no real autopilot
[17:43] <chrisstubbs> I might try it :P
[17:43] <wd8mnv> how much lift did it have?
[17:43] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...but it didn't descend anything like as fast as the payload that came apart from its balloon
[17:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> It didn't? I though 9m/s was fast for a couple batts and a board.
[17:44] Nick change: ReadError_ -> ReadError
[17:44] <chrisstubbs> -10m/s seems about right with a little balloon atattched
[17:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> wd8mnv: I'm not sure in the end, I topped it up a little because of high winds
[17:44] <chrisstubbs> pull up some previous flights with balloon attatched and have a look
[17:45] <chrisstubbs> brb
[17:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... We had one once that hit the ground at rather more than that...
[17:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...and it wasn't much bigger.
[17:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh well, it would have been a real splash-down then :-)
[17:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> (which was probably just as well)
[17:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'm glad it was over water
[17:47] <LazyL_M0LEP> I had to hand tune to get signals from the one that came adrift, and I think it was nearer 30 or 40 m/s...
[17:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Blimey!
[17:47] <LazyL_M0LEP> Not sure if I've got a note of it anywhere though.
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[17:56] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right, time I made the evening meal. Catch you later everyone!
[17:56] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ -> Steve_G0TDJ_AFK
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[18:12] <ibanezmatt13> Hey Upu, with this NTX2B, I have a freq shift of 800Hz! Quite wide you reckon? :)
[18:14] <daveake> The Hz/V value is higher for the B
[18:14] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, that explains it
[18:14] <ibanezmatt13> still ok though right?
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[18:15] <daveake> Makes almost no difference to anything
[18:15] <mfa298> Interesting, The shift seemed to be similar on my one with the same set of resistor values.
[18:15] <daveake> Was higher on the 2 I flew
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[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:16] <ibanezmatt13> hello :)
[18:16] <daveake> Not tried the production ones yet
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> it's the second thunderstorm of the day here
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> never saw a thunderstorm in November though
[18:16] <mfa298> I've pulled most of my resistors out for the 2B now so I can try and understand this PWM code on a Pi.
[18:18] <ibanezmatt13> not happy, NORB has stopped txing for the first time
[18:19] <ibanezmatt13> oh wait, got it again
[18:19] <eroomde> wyzat?
[18:19] <ibanezmatt13> not sure, must have temporarily lost lock
[18:19] <ibanezmatt13> oh wait, gone again...
[18:19] <ibanezmatt13> back again :o
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[18:20] <daveake> Please make it Tx regardless of having a lock
[18:20] <mfa298> lesson there is that it's always good to tx something even if you don't have lock.
[18:20] <eroomde> yes
[18:20] <eroomde> and get it to log gps status to the sd
[18:20] <ibanezmatt13> good plan
[18:20] <ibanezmatt13> I'll sort that
[18:20] <daveake> If you do ^ make sure it doesn't hang if the SD card comes loose
[18:21] <eroomde> it doesn't thankfully
[18:21] <daveake> And it's well worth using a micro SD and a flush adapter
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[18:21] <ibanezmatt13> Well, I could just have a 3 second timeout or something
[18:22] <ibanezmatt13> back soon, brother wants me to play cars with him :P
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[18:35] <tweetBot> @daveake: Internet video streaming from a battery-powered #RaspberryPi and Pi Cam squeezed inside a case: http://t.co/PachGIdAz6 #UKHAS
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[18:48] <mikedom> does anyone know of a place to buy the ntx-2 in the US?
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[19:11] <Maxell> mikedom: UPU's habstore :P
[19:12] <ibanezmatt13> not a bad decent rate: http://flic.kr/p/gHk4jp
[19:12] <ibanezmatt13> NORBs backup tracker ^
[19:13] <daveake> descent :p
[19:13] <fsphil> a decent descent
[19:13] <ibanezmatt13> well whatever :)
[19:13] <daveake> :)
[19:13] <ibanezmatt13> anything goes on IRC
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD!"
[19:13] <fsphil> uh-oh
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vSf0cA9qY music
[19:14] <mikedom> Maxell: thanks! bookmarked.
[19:14] <ibanezmatt13> not bad soldering music that Lunar_Lander
[19:14] <DL1SGP> heh
[19:14] <Upu> hey mikedom still here ?
[19:14] <fsphil> mikedom: there's a discount code too
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:15] <Upu> I now have permission to (officially) sell into the US
[19:15] <fsphil> oh nice
[19:16] <Upu> in small volumes
[19:16] <Upu> mikedom you have a PM
[19:17] <Upu> reminds me I need to change the picture
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[19:33] <ibanezmatt13> well, time to do some debugging with my Uncle, back later
[19:33] Nick change: ibanezmatt13 -> mat13_debugging
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[19:48] <chrisstubbs> Nice streaming setup daveake
[19:49] <daveake> :)
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:50] <daveake> I did try an Android app to do that, but it was shite
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[19:50] <chrisstubbs> Oh yeah
[19:50] <chrisstubbs> the adobe air one?
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[19:50] <daveake> think so
[19:51] <daveake> Only worked in portrait mode; kept forgetting the URL etc
[19:51] <chrisstubbs> yep same story here, I'm hoping to try a youtube live stream from a phone soon
[19:51] <chrisstubbs> my acconts enabled for it just need to find out if the phone can do it
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[19:57] <yanib> Any news on vayu-1?
[19:57] <yanib> relating to recovery??
[19:58] <chrisstubbs> yanib, i think it got a bit wet
[19:58] <chrisstubbs> steves latest update: https://twitter.com/Project_HAB/status/397040346225319936
[19:59] <chrisstubbs> I do wonder what the accuracy of flightradar is
[20:00] <mfa298> hopefully as good as the ads-b data going ino it
[20:00] <chrisstubbs> yeah true
[20:00] <craag> Should be as accurate as spacenear I think
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[20:01] <mfa298> although 17k ft sounds a lot higher than vayu was
[20:01] <OM1ATS> Hello ! STS-9 found and recovered.
[20:02] <mfa298> looks like the plane was 1km higher than the balloon
[20:02] <craag> 17k ft = 5182m
[20:02] <craag> So yeah a km up
[20:02] <chrisstubbs> and about 1km south
[20:02] <chrisstubbs> well the balloon was south
[20:02] <craag> That's a long way away really
[20:03] <mfa298> seems unlikely to have been brought down by a plane.
[20:03] <craag> mm
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[20:03] <chrisstubbs> very, it seems like a normal altitude for a foil to burst carrying 40g at 1.5m/s ascent anyway
[20:03] <mfa298> I'd have thought if it had hit a plane it would be more likely to be destroyed then sent down (as it was only a pico)
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[20:04] <craag> Yeah 1.5m/s ascent is a bit on the fast side
[20:04] <craag> Did he say how much free lift he had?
[20:04] <chrisstubbs> that was a bodged calculation by me from the graph so take it with a pinch of salt
[20:05] <mfa298> I suspect it was quite blowy as well. Initial ascent was more like 4m/s until it then dropped a bit.
[20:05] <craag> With 15g of free lift I got 1.5m/s ascent on my first pico
[20:06] <craag> I think that's probably close to terminal velocity without wind behind it.
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[21:05] <DL1SGP> welcome back matt
[21:12] <ibanezmatt13> hey :)
[21:12] <ibanezmatt13> I've finished debugging with SUCCESS!
[21:13] <mfa298> that just means there are more obscure bugs you've yet to find.
[21:14] <x-f> that's encouraging :)
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:16] <DL1SGP> lol
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[21:29] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: http://www.ti.com/product/opt8140
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[22:35] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Diwali Return for Amateur Radio APRS Balloon Payload http://t.co/6en2YKjFdq #amsat #hamr #hab #ukhas
[22:35] <arko> damn son, thats a heavy payload
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[22:39] <chrisstubbs> Evening arko
[22:39] <arko> yo yo
[22:39] <Upu> ouch
[22:39] <Upu> sure thats Indian and not American ?
[22:39] <fsphil> "It was only possible to trace the payload because one of the sailors used the sim card that was in one of the pieces of equipment in the payload."
[22:39] <fsphil> not sure what that means
[22:40] <mfa298> looks like a Model B pi, they've obviously not read the wiki or Dave's blog
[22:40] <chrisstubbs> At first i read that as the sailor was inside the payload
[22:40] <chrisstubbs> i guess he got it out and put it in his phone
[22:40] <arko> mfa298: lol
[22:40] <fsphil> that's what I'm reading it as
[22:40] <arko> lol
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[23:07] <arko> ok i have a stupid question
[23:08] <fsphil> does it involve rockoons?
[23:08] <arko> if you have a 16Mhz crystal with 20ppm, does the ppm error stay the same if you divide it?
[23:09] <fsphil> the error should be divided too
[23:09] <arko> my gut says it increases, my reasoning says it stays the same
[23:09] <arko> hmmm
[23:09] <fsphil> hmmm
[23:10] <fsphil> I see now
[23:10] <arko> i knew i shouldn't have had two beers
[23:10] <arko> should have had exactly 1.8 beers
[23:10] <fsphil> you're past the threshold
[23:10] <arko> :( mitchell and webb were right
[23:11] <fsphil> the error might stay the same. since dividing the frequency doesn't change how the error is measured
[23:12] <fsphil> yea I think your reasoning is right
[23:12] <arko> blah
[23:12] <arko> haha
[23:13] <arko> so it would end up being 2Mhz 20ppm if divide 8 times
[23:13] <fsphil> definitly won't get worse
[23:13] <arko> so your variation goes from 320Hz when at 16Mhz
[23:13] <arko> to 40Hz at 8Mhz
[23:14] <fsphil> that makes sense
[23:15] <arko> yeah
[23:15] <arko> i'll go with that for now
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