highaltitude.log.20131102

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[00:17] <chrisstubbs> Am I being an idiot or is it impossible to register for an account on https://boconlineshop.com ?
[00:18] <chrisstubbs> no matter if you select their stupid radio buttons or not it just says "Tell us if you are an existing BOC customer above to continue."
[00:20] <chrisstubbs> Even if you manage to get the working registration link out of the source you STILL need a document reference number they didnt think to include on the welcome letter
[00:20] <fsphil> I had to sign up using a pen and paper
[00:21] <chrisstubbs> I have an account, I just wanted to use their terrible website to get some prices
[00:21] <fsphil> ah
[00:21] <chrisstubbs> normal account not online account
[00:21] <fsphil> I've seen the part of the boc website the local depot use -- it's horrible
[00:22] <chrisstubbs> They use a dot matrix printer at ours
[00:22] <fsphil> hah
[00:22] <chrisstubbs> it takes about 5 mins to pick up the helium, and 15 mins to wait for the invoice to print
[00:22] <fsphil> they have at least a laser printer here
[00:23] <chrisstubbs> Ooo classy
[00:23] <fsphil> but it still takes about 10 minutes to get someones attention
[00:23] <fsphil> then 10 minutes for them to login to BOC and figure out how it works
[00:23] <chrisstubbs> They dont seem to the the brightest of people
[00:23] <fsphil> trouble is they just have one guy who does it -- and he's never there
[00:24] <fsphil> always seem to be at launch
[00:24] <fsphil> lunch*
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[00:30] <chrisstubbs> Its also annoying they dont do a mid size cylinder, 1.48m3 is tiny and 7.21m3 is huge
[00:33] <chrisstubbs> Anyway NOTAM application sent and hydrogen enquired about, that should do it for now. Night!
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[03:13] <heathkid> NOTAM? what are you launching???
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[08:20] <arko> Is the raw data sent from dlfldigi to habhub available?
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[08:20] <arko> Had good packets of my test hab but forgot to copy paste the data
[08:27] <x-f_> arko, only if you have a payload document, otherwise it's only on the logtail
[08:29] <arko> Ah ok thought so
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[08:47] <seventeen> If there is a log tail, there must be a full log: $$HABEXpico4,26,06:13:31,47.16410,-143.48946,0,0,49*2953\n
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[08:50] <x-f_> #habhub'ers have access to it
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[09:00] <DL1SGP> good morning and good start of weekend!
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[09:02] <WillTablet> Morning
[09:02] <x-f_> good morning
[09:02] <WillTablet> I had a dream that I came out to my parents and it was all fine. I hate waking up from dreams like that
[09:03] <WillTablet> I hate it when you find out a dream wasn't real
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[09:22] <mattltm> Morning all :)
[09:23] <eroomde> and you
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[09:28] <nats`> hi
[09:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey nats`
[09:30] <mattltm> Anyone want to help me do a launch from the South East coast?
[09:31] Action: Steve_G0TDJ sometimes wishes he could drive
[09:31] <nats`> same here I got the motorbike license this year
[09:31] <nats`> :p
[09:31] <mattltm> Public transport FTW!
[09:31] <nats`> I waited too long and now I need the car
[09:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> I really don't like public transport mattltm, sorry
[09:31] <nats`> public transport is cool until you try to move a bunch of heavy crap :D
[09:32] <mattltm> (I only say that because I drive everywhere!)
[09:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Where's the launch mattltm
[09:32] <mattltm> Steve_G0TDJ: I love public transport as long as I'm not on it :p
[09:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Exactly!"
[09:32] <mattltm> Somewhere in Thanet area.
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[09:33] <eroomde> mattltm: where exactly?
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[09:33] <eroomde> oh yuou just said
[09:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> I have a friend down there who might be interested. He's not what you'd call fully mobile but he'd be interestd I bet
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[09:34] <mattltm> I'm flexiable for the launch location.
[09:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> mattltm: Send me an e-mail ad I'll put you in touch: steve@g0tdj.com
[09:34] <nats`> hi eroomde :)
[09:34] <eroomde> one for the dutchies
[09:34] <eroomde> morning nats`
[09:34] <eroomde> all well?
[09:34] <mattltm> I have a Meganut assembled and some money for a ballon and gas. Just need to sort out a GPS.
[09:35] <Darkside> wait
[09:35] <Darkside> meganut
[09:35] <Darkside> >_>
[09:35] <Darkside> they're still around?
[09:36] <mattltm> I've had this on on the bench for ages. Thought I may as well send it out to do it's jop :)
[09:36] <Darkside> lol
[09:36] <Darkside> wait, whre did that come from?
[09:36] <mattltm> s/jop/job
[09:36] <Darkside> did i giv out the dsign at some point
[09:36] <Darkside> that was >2 years ago
[09:36] <mattltm> NigeyS a longggggggggggg time ago.
[09:37] <Darkside> heh
[09:37] <mattltm> Sent me the PCB.
[09:37] <Darkside> i designed it for him
[09:37] <Darkside> liv on skype
[09:37] <mattltm> cool.
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[09:37] <mattltm> Do you still have the pinout for the GPS connector?
[09:38] <Darkside> erm
[09:38] <Darkside> mayb
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[09:38] <Darkside> dunno where
[09:38] <Darkside> i did that a looooooong tim ago
[09:39] <eroomde> not that long :)
[09:39] <Darkside> that was pre-micronut
[09:39] <Darkside> before i was still a n00b at pcb dsign
[09:39] <Darkside> well, when i was still a n00b
[09:39] <eroomde> i think it was since i stopped launching
[09:39] <Darkside> not so much of a n00b now
[09:40] <mattltm> lol. Not to worry if you don't. It's simple to work out.
[09:40] <Darkside> yeah
[09:40] <Darkside> eroomde: it eas the year we brok 40km
[09:40] <eroomde> yes i recall
[09:40] <mattltm> If the smoke comes out then I've done it wrong :)
[09:40] <eroomde> post ESA
[09:41] <Darkside> i helped you move
[09:41] <eroomde> tab life for me personally is defined as BE (before ESA, happy time) and PE (post-esa, cab anymore)
[09:41] <Darkside> lol
[09:41] <eroomde> hab life*
[09:41] <Joel_re> hey, my callsign is going to look like this - //$$callsign,timestamp,long,N,lat,E,alt,internal_temp,external_temp,pressure,battery_voltage
[09:41] <Joel_re> is that too long
[09:41] <Joel_re> or is it right
[09:41] <Darkside> er
[09:41] <Darkside> well thats not your callsign
[09:41] <Darkside> thats your entire sentenc3
[09:41] <Joel_re> err yeah :p
[09:41] <eroomde> remember checksum
[09:41] <eroomde> that's fine
[09:42] <Joel_re> ok so I can have any number of fields
[09:42] <Darkside> do many people do the N/S stuff?
[09:42] <Darkside> or do most use lat/long with =- signs
[09:42] <Darkside> +- signs*
[09:42] <Joel_re> ^^ I was wondering if thats required
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[09:43] <Darkside> dunno, i guess it depends how much procssing you want to do
[09:43] <Darkside> most people read in the lat/long, store it as *something*, then emit it as degrees decimal
[09:43] <Darkside> others just copy out bits of the NMEA strings
[09:43] <Darkside> so its DDMM.MMM,N/S
[09:43] <Darkside> etc
[09:43] <Joel_re> yeah
[09:43] <Joel_re> current data is in degree minutes seconds
[09:44] <Darkside> mm
[09:44] <Darkside> i dunno, i guess thats ok
[09:44] <Darkside> maybe
[09:44] <Darkside> ask someone else :P
[09:44] <Joel_re> is - north or south
[09:44] <daveake> I find decimal better
[09:44] <daveake> easier to tap into a satnav when you're chasing
[09:44] <eroomde> easier to do maths with
[09:45] <eroomde> like your geofence
[09:45] <Joel_re> hrm
[09:45] <daveake> yup
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[09:46] Action: Joel_re tries to figure a way to convert from minutes to decimal
[09:46] <Joel_re> without using float*
[09:46] <Darkside> ehh
[09:46] <Darkside> a few floats wont kill you
[09:46] <Darkside> sure its not efficient
[09:46] <Darkside> but you only hav to do it once a scond
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[09:50] <Joel_re> Darkside: yeah, well the concern is converting from the strings to float
[09:50] <Joel_re> which as a lib would end up hogging mem
[09:51] <Darkside> ehh
[09:51] <Darkside> TinyGPS does it
[09:51] <Darkside> and it all fits
[09:51] <eroomde> nooooooooo
[09:51] <Darkside> eroomde: yeah yeah
[09:51] <Darkside> shush
[09:51] <Darkside> Joel_re: or use a ubloc gps
[09:51] <Darkside> and use binary comms
[09:51] <Darkside> ublox*
[09:51] <Darkside> that way its alrady in float
[09:52] <Darkside> of course you hav to conver it back to a string again
[09:52] <Darkside> but ehh
[09:52] <Darkside> it all fits
[09:52] <Joel_re> hrm
[09:53] <Joel_re> wonder if the mtk3339 has a binary mode
[09:53] <Darkside> er
[09:53] <Darkside> do thy work >18km?
[09:53] <Darkside> use ublox, then theres a lot of code out there that already works
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[09:55] <Joel_re> Darkside: sourcing it where I live seems a bit hard
[09:55] <Darkside> order one from upu?
[09:55] <Joel_re> the mtk3339 wont cut it?
[09:55] <Upu> it stops at 27km
[09:55] <Darkside> aha, the man himself
[09:55] <Upu> note Adafruit say it works "above 25km"
[09:56] <Upu> sure all the way to 27km
[09:57] <mattltm> lol.
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[09:57] <Joel_re> :o
[09:58] <mattltm> Upu: do you have the NTX2B in stock yet?
[09:58] <Upu> yes
[09:58] <Upu> all in stock now
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[09:59] <mattltm> and what GPS do you recomend?
[09:59] <Darkside> ublox
[09:59] <Darkside> durr
[09:59] <Upu> Ublox
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[09:59] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:gps_modules
[09:59] <jcoxon> morning all
[09:59] <Upu> morning jcoxon
[09:59] <eroomde> ublox
[09:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[09:59] <Upu> there are only a few GPS modules known to work above 18km
[10:00] <mattltm> Will the one with the chip antenna be ok for a simple launch?
[10:00] <Upu> anything SiRF in it doesn't work (exception Inventek ISM)
[10:00] <Upu> yep
[10:00] <mattltm> But you don't have it in stock...
[10:03] <Joel_re> hrm, the ublox is a bit too expensive as well
[10:03] <Joel_re> compared to the mtk3339
[10:03] <Joel_re> looking at thier asia site
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[10:06] <Upu> eh ?
[10:06] <Upu> bloody stuck
[10:06] <Upu> stock
[10:07] <Upu> try now
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[10:08] <Upu> Joel_re Adafruits Ultimate is $60
[10:08] <jcoxon> ublox is a superior gps module, smaller, quicker to lock, relatively good power saving and works well above 18km
[10:08] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=52
[10:08] <Upu> and you can have 10% off that
[10:08] <Upu> just use the coupon code UKHAS
[10:09] <mattltm> Tnx :)
[10:09] <mattltm> What freq are the NTX2B on?
[10:09] <Joel_re> jcoxon: Im trying to reduce costs on my first launch since, it is my first and theres a big possibility of the payload being lost
[10:10] <Upu> whatever you want mattltm see the list of availble
[10:10] <Joel_re> the mtk3339 datasheet does say max altitude of 18000m
[10:10] Action: Joel_re slaps forehead
[10:11] <mattltm> Are 075 and 650 still the only licence exempt freqs for us?
[10:11] <Upu> no any of the ones I sell are license exempt
[10:11] <Upu> I don't supply 075 and 650 any more
[10:11] <mattltm> Neeto!
[10:11] <Upu> just a bunch inbetween
[10:11] <Upu> anyway afk a bit
[10:11] <fsphil> yea it's a band rather than set frequencies
[10:11] <fsphil> 075 and 650 where just the most popular choices
[10:12] <mattltm> I knew that. Honnest!
[10:13] <mattltm> Hi fsphil :)
[10:13] <fsphil> morning mattltm :) what are you up to today?
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[10:14] <mattltm> Loads. In between baby duty (I wish someone would bring me hot milk and change my pants every 3 hours!) I'll be putting up a new HF antenna and getting my new radio to play nice with it.
[10:15] <mattltm> Also, trying to work out how to get this old Meganut board in the air.
[10:15] <fsphil> yikes!
[10:15] <fsphil> I'll not say what I'm doing today
[10:16] <mattltm> Go on....
[10:16] <fsphil> that's it
[10:16] <fsphil> might watch some telly later
[10:18] <eroomde> i'm on a bus to london
[10:18] <eroomde> lunch in sloane square at some lah-de-dah place of the sort my sister frequents
[10:18] <DL1SGP> enjoy the ride eroomde
[10:18] <mattltm> Sounds fun.
[10:18] <eroomde> then seeing some friends this eve
[10:18] <fsphil> don't make eye contact with anyone eroomde
[10:19] <mattltm> Don't forget to hold your pinky out when sipping your tea...
[10:19] <mattltm> Or, just make huge, long and very loud slurping noises.
[10:19] <DL1SGP> heh
[10:20] <fsphil> and keep saying everything is delightful
[10:22] <eroomde> more like don't forget to swear in russian after finishing my vodka
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[10:32] <Willdude123_> Eroomde do you speak Russian?
[10:32] <eroomde> yes
[10:32] <eroomde> fluently
[10:32] <Willdude123_> Awesome. Did you do it at school/college/uni?
[10:33] <eroomde> i'm joking, i speak no russian
[10:34] <Willdude123_> Only words I know are @0=0B0
[10:34] <Joel_re> lol
[10:35] <Willdude123_> From playing bf3
[10:35] <Willdude123_> I also know Oi! 'B> BK 45;05HL? 5@=8AL AN40.
[10:38] <Joel_re> does anyone near Cambridge have launches in the month of Jan/Feb ?
[10:40] <eroomde> suspect that's asking a lot too far ahead
[10:41] <eroomde> it's not ulikely
[10:41] <eroomde> unlikely*
[10:41] <Joel_re> just wondering if you guys launch in winter :)
[10:42] <Joel_re> I'll be around in Cambridge then and it would be fun to hang around during a launch
[10:42] <mfa298> people have been known to launch in winter.
[10:43] <wd8mnv> winter is coming
[10:44] <mfa298> get you're payload working and bring it with you and you might be able to launch it yourself with help from people around cambride
[10:45] <mfa298> s/you're/your/
[10:45] <Joel_re> heh, I'd be questioned by airport authorities
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[10:47] <eroomde> we have permentant notams
[10:49] <mfa298> and lots of experienced people around Cambridge
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[11:15] <ibanezmatt13> I have a time string like 123432 and I want to convert it into seconds. So I split it into hours, minutes, seconds, multiplied hours by 3600, minutes by 60, and added the three up. That's right isn't it?
[11:16] <mfa298> that sounds right
[11:16] <ibanezmatt13> ah, it might be because it thinks the time string is an integer actually
[11:16] <ibanezmatt13> yeah I thought it did
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[11:17] <mfa298> if you're doing string type manipulation on it you need to make sure it's seen as a string.
[11:17] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I think that was the problem, should be ok now
[11:18] <mfa298> In C that's easy as you define the type. In Python you might need to do something with it to make it treat it as a string.
[11:19] <ibanezmatt13> I've fixed it mfa298, it was the fact I converted to string to split the fields up but didn't convert back to integer to do the calculations
[11:19] <ibanezmatt13> python
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[11:20] <DL1SGP> heh
[11:24] Nick change: Darkside -> VK5QI
[11:24] Nick change: VK5QI -> Darkside
[11:25] <DL1SGP> Good Evening Darks
[11:25] <DL1SGP> Darkside :D
[11:25] <Darkside> sorry about that
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[11:25] <DL1SGP> that's fine :D
[11:26] <DL1SGP> lovely outdoor setup in the washdown area
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[11:40] <nats`> I hate when verilog simulate correctly but physical implementation is not doable
[11:40] <nats`> -_-
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[12:02] <fsphil> nobody launching impossible orbital rockets from balloons today then?
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> I am planning today to launch a 100kg payload into space.
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> I think this may be optimistic - but hey.
[12:03] <fsphil> oooh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a3zbZamYiU
[12:04] Action: SpeedEvil practices yogic flying.
[12:04] <fsphil> ATV-4 re-entry
[12:04] <fsphil> such a waste of a perfectly good spacecraft that
[12:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> mm
[12:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> Expensive fire
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> :/
[12:08] <fsphil> green line has changed
[12:08] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: they could have designed them for resuse for something
[12:08] <fsphil> wonder if that's doppler or speed of the atv
[12:09] <fsphil> yea, loss-of-signal
[12:09] <fsphil> it's gone
[12:09] <fsphil> didn't see any fireworks
[12:10] Action: SpeedEvil wants to see Dragon doing that peoperly
[12:11] <fsphil> didn't they already?
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[12:12] <SpeedEvil> And recovering cargo with a propulsive landing.
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[12:12] <SpeedEvil> Leaving a reflyable dragon.
[12:17] <Reb-SM3ULC> Flying a HAB to ISS would be fun.
[12:18] <DL1SGP> with a panel that unfolds "Hello from #highalitutde"
[12:18] <fsphil> the first 30km is easy. it's the 250km after that that's the trick
[12:19] <fsphil> more actually, it's 370km up
[12:19] <fsphil> and then having to match the speed
[12:19] <fsphil> space isn't easy
[12:20] <fsphil> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYEKjK6CYAALoxc.jpg:large
[12:20] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: :D great idea
[12:20] <fsphil> red dot is the atv
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[12:26] <fsphil> predictions for next weekend are not as far north
[12:26] <fsphil> hope that holds
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[12:33] <Reb-SM3ULC> fsphil: what is far north? :)
[12:34] <fsphil> scotland :)
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[12:35] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=804a9388be1b0a16829b74e37c78d14b05a764ed
[12:35] <Upu> I find your trajectory acceptable pls launch
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[12:37] <WillTablet> Upu have you posted the patch antenna yet?
[12:37] <Upu> no will
[12:38] <WillTablet> Okay
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[12:40] <WillTablet> It's not as if the boards will be turning up anytime soon anyhow :-)
[12:41] <ibanezmatt13> WillTablet: Send Mitch and email and he'll remake them for you
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[12:48] <Reb-SM3ULC> "The prediction may be unreliable!" :)
[12:50] <fsphil> as are my launch announcements :)
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[12:53] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt13: he did
[12:54] <ibanezmatt13> :
[12:54] <ibanezmatt13> :/
[12:54] <WillTablet> They were sent today
[12:54] <ibanezmatt13> ah ok, hopefully they;ll get here this time
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[13:06] <cuddykid> hi all - in the process of submitting the app to app store. Does anyone have the SVG file for http://i.imgur.com/6YLbnKp.png I have lost it and they need a 1024x1024 version :(
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[13:09] <Upu> hey cuddykid
[13:09] <cuddykid> afternoon Upu :)
[13:09] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/Tracker_App/icon.psd
[13:10] <cuddykid> super, thanks
[13:10] <Upu> nsp
[13:10] <Upu> nps
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[15:00] <jcoxon> linux question, any distros that are just the base installation so that you can compile everything on top
[15:00] <jcoxon> there used to be Core Linux but seems to have disappeared
[15:01] <jcoxon> don't really want a package manager
[15:01] <mfa298> gentoo used to do that
[15:01] <mfa298> of there's Linux from scratch if you really want to start from scratch
[15:02] <mfa298> you can get a fairly minimal install of centos (and I imagine ubuntu/debian)
[15:02] <jcoxon> that was what was nice with Core Linux, enough of GCC to just crack on
[15:02] <jcoxon> yeah thats a fair point
[15:03] <mfa298> I think gentoo gave you a fairly small base to start from, although it was kind of package based, it's just the package manager downloaded sources and patches and compiled it for you.
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[15:05] <adamgreig> jcoxon: the ubuntu netinstall isn't bad
[15:05] <adamgreig> it gives you a very bare minimal working linux system
[15:05] <adamgreig> but yea depends on what you want it for
[15:05] <adamgreig> LFS is kinda hardcore :P
[15:06] <jcoxon> i used to run my own distro for a while
[15:06] <jcoxon> :-p
[15:06] <adamgreig> well I guess you are kinda hardcore :P
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[15:06] <jcoxon> had about 1000 downloads
[15:06] <jcoxon> :-p
[15:06] <adamgreig> hah, nice!
[15:06] <mfa298> I tried going the LFS route once in the early days, but that was a lot of pain - although I think I was doing compilation on a 486.
[15:07] <jcoxon> adamgreig, required 2 floppy disks
[15:07] <jcoxon> ran on my 386 with 8mb of ram
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[15:09] <adamgreig> haha nice
[15:09] <mfa298> I started trying to do that sort of thing once, kernel on one floppy and my own application on another floppy to act as the init replacement - I never got that far with it though.
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[15:10] <mfa298> old hardware used to be nice to play with, well apart from trying to get lots of ISA network cards to play nicely in a 486.
[15:10] <jcoxon> :-)
[15:12] <gonzo_p> fun juggling the interrupts
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[15:14] <iqon_> hi everyone
[15:15] <iqon_> can anyone advice about ultrafire batteries?
[15:15] Nick change: iqon_ -> acidtech
[15:15] Nick change: acidtech -> acidtechh
[15:16] <mfa298> do you mean things along the lines of the 18650 Li-ion cells ?
[15:16] <acidtechh> yes
[15:17] <acidtechh> is it good quality cell?
[15:17] <mfa298> Possibly not the best for HABs although I'm not sure if anyone has tried them.
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[15:19] <mfa298> most people favour the energise lithium ultimate cells as they have a good capaicty, low weight and work well at cold temperatures.
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[15:32] <mfa298> a quick google suggests a couple of that style of battery are specced for discharge at -20C, a few more -10C and several don't list anything. For charging you want them over 0C. Remember that HABs can go down to -40C depending on the hardware.
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[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello!
[15:34] <DL1SGP> Hallo Lunar_Lander
[15:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)cool, spacenear.us leitet einen direkt nach San Jose grad
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[15:35] <DL1SGP> ist da besseres Wetter?
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> hoffentlich :)
[15:41] <fsphil> das gooten tag. der morgin is nicht. (I'm making this up)
[15:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> THat's VAYU-1 tested ready for tomorrow.
[15:43] <DL1SGP> heh you yook it into shower this morning to test it?
[15:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL no, why's that?
[15:43] <fsphil> pico launch?
[15:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, pico Phil
[15:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh the temp. That's internal. Read with the AVR chip
[15:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not sure how accurate it is ;-/
[15:44] <mfa298> ah, snus is no longer the serene place it was with no balloons.
[15:44] <bertrik> I just got a link from ##rtlsdr about tire pressure monitors (apparently very common in the USA), they measure not just pressure, but apparently also temperature and accelleration. They transmit that through manchester-coded FSK over 315 MHz or 433 MHz.
[15:44] <bertrik> Perhaps could be fun to send one of those up with a balloon
[15:45] <bertrik> The video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqiq2Y43Wg and the project to receive them is at https://github.com/jboone/tpms/
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> Steve_G0TDJ, ah the temp sensor that is in the Atmega328?
[15:46] <fsphil> what's the pressure/temperature range?
[15:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes
[15:48] <bertrik> fsphil: I don't know, but probably optimised for 1+ bar
[15:50] <fsphil> they probably have unique IDs, but it would be fun to fly one -- thousands of cars suddently reporting -40c tyre pressures and no air
[15:50] <fsphil> temperature*
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[15:55] <Lunar_Lander> lol!
[15:55] <Lunar_Lander> you mean like operating an NTX2 somewhere and the car keys don't work anymore
[15:55] <Lunar_Lander> ?
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[15:59] <fsphil> or flying a really powerful IR transmitter, and switching all the TVs off
[15:59] <DL1SGP> bertrik: if you reverse engineer the way they send the data you might even bring a uc into sky that sends through some ism transmitter and iterates through the unique id bits
[16:00] <DL1SGP> switch some RF power sockets :)
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[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> make your own Hessdalen light
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[18:05] <wd8mnv> a wild VAYU-1 has appeared
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[18:23] <ve6ts> anyone know pwm on a attiny? i'm having an issue with it unexpectedly stopping and restarting
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[18:33] <wd8mnv> not me
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[19:03] <ve6ts> stranger timer1 has the problem but not timer0
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> Philadelphia Experiment?
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[19:44] <acidtechh> can anyone give a link to high altitude competition
[19:44] <acidtechh> can`t find it in google
[19:54] <x-f_> the Arctic challenge?
[19:54] Nick change: x-f_ -> x-f
[19:55] <x-f> http://ukhas.org.uk/ukhas:arctic_challenge
[19:56] <acidtechh> thanks
[19:57] <x-f> there was another one from Ed about returning to the launch site, i think
[19:58] <x-f> and then the eclipse in 2017 with a stabilised and Sun-tracking platform
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[20:00] <x-f> there's a total and annular eclipse tomorrow in Atlantic and Africa
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[20:08] <ve6ts> does fdigi in rtty mode require the extra 3 sync bits? example baudot code is 5 bits long, the extra three is one low then the 5 then 2 high?
[20:10] <mattbrejza> rtty is the same as rs232 style serial
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[20:10] <mattbrejza> ascii encoded
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[20:10] <ve6ts> it doesn't follow the following? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> hello mattbrejza
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[20:15] <mattbrejza> yo
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[20:15] <mattbrejza> oh i was referring to 7n1 mode which is usually used
[20:16] <mattbrejza> not sure if baud is/can be used
[20:16] <ve6ts> mattbrejza ah, that might be my problem
[20:16] <ve6ts> i will switch to ascii
[20:18] <ve6ts> that is actually easier
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> mattbrejza, I am still laughing about the strange inventions of the Swedish Army :)
[20:18] <mattbrejza> any in particular?
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> one sec
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_103
[20:19] <ve6ts> mattbrejza does it use 7 bit ascii?
[20:19] <mattbrejza> tahts genreally best
[20:19] <mattbrejza> sometimes 8bit is used
[20:19] <ve6ts> do you know what fdigi, mixw and hab tracker uses?
[20:20] <mattbrejza> theyre all changable
[20:20] <mattbrejza> depends on the payload
[20:20] <mattbrejza> Lunar_Lander: hmm odd little thing
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea xD
[20:21] <ve6ts> mattbrejza where is those programs do you specify 7 or 8 bit?
[20:21] <mattbrejza> flidigi its in the options next to the ascii/baudbot option
[20:22] <mattbrejza> and the android app its on the page with the waterfall in the box under the waterfall
[20:24] <ve6ts> mattbrejza i see it in the android app, it seems to be read only, probably auto detect? i cannot find it in flidigi
[20:25] <mattbrejza> oh course the app is read only
[20:25] <mattbrejza> yea it autodetects
[20:25] <mattbrejza> or rather decodes 7 and 8 at the same time
[20:26] <ve6ts> ah i see, man thanks for you help, this has been my problem for a while now, i thought it only supports baudot :)
[20:26] <ve6ts> no wonder nothing was working
[20:26] <mattbrejza> in fldigi the options are bauddot/ascii7/ascii8
[20:26] <mattbrejza> np
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[20:35] <ve6ts> mattbrejza and usually use 1 stop bit? stop being low in between chars?
[20:42] <mattbrejza> the stop bit setting in fldigi make sno difference on rx
[20:42] <mattbrejza> also i think stop is high rather than low but w/e
[20:45] <ve6ts> i believe 20ms is the lenght of each bit in 50 baud?
[20:45] <mfa298> the arduino ntx2 guide on the wiki has start bit low, and stop bit(s) high
[20:45] <mfa298> the time should be 1/baud - so 1/50 for 50baud
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[20:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: thinking outside the box :)
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea ;)
[20:47] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: about the Strv103
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> like Andrée's balloon
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:50] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: how did you end up looking at that?
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> the tank?
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> I have known it for several years
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> and I came across it again because I found something on ebay
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> one sec
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Vintage-Military-Green-Field-Jacket-Swedish-Army-/170984807715?pt=UK_Men_s_Vintage_Clothing&var=&hash=item27cf7d1d23
[20:52] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: hehe, model -58 i guess
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:54] <eroomde> eventard
[20:55] <Reb-SM3ULC> Reb-SM3ULC: i guess the JA-37 Viggen was also a bit out of the box
[20:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> hehe, self-comment!
[20:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> it was to mr Lunar_Lander
[20:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> sri
[20:57] <eroomde> eroomde: you smell
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:57] <eroomde> that was to Lunar_Lander too
[20:57] <eroomde> :p
[20:57] <eroomde> not actually
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> :)
[20:57] <eroomde> i am just being a silly
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> yesterday I read about Hessdalen
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> and what I like about it is that they don't say "ohh aliens" but are looking at physical explainations for the lights in the valley
[20:58] <Reb-SM3ULC> the UFOs in Norway?
[20:58] <Reb-SM3ULC> ah
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> well I have to admit, that the observation of one of the Project members in August 1983 is bizarre
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> when he rested on one of the mountains at the valley and a silver disc approached him and after a period of paralysis and pain it was suddenly dark
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> that silver disc doesn't match the normal lights
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> and the alledged "Abduction"
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[21:06] <Laurenceb__> clearly the hutchinson effect
[21:06] <Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUgDJc6AWE
[21:06] <Laurenceb__> lolling
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUgDJc6AWE&feature=player_detailpage#t=24
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> obvious troll is obvious
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
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[21:45] <ve6ts> anyone know how to make fdigi stay on rtty freq instead of constantly adjusting, it works well if i keep clicking on my signal
[21:46] <mattbrejza> afc button bottom right
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[21:47] <ve6ts> thanks
[21:47] <ve6ts> i can now launch balloons using rtty instead of field hell
[21:47] <ve6ts> or morse code previously
[21:47] <mattbrejza> :)
[21:47] <ve6ts> copy is pretty good, i wonder how this works with lots of noise
[21:48] <craag> At 50 baud, works quite well.
[21:48] <craag> But it's fast enough that missing a coupel of sentences isn't too bad :)
[21:49] <ve6ts> the onlt decoder that isn't working is the android tracker
[21:49] <ve6ts> both fdigi and mixw are working quite well
[21:51] <ve6ts> does it ignore signals that don't match the format?
[21:51] <craag> Don't match the format?
[21:51] <mattbrejza> are you using a cable or just the microphone?
[21:51] <mattbrejza> does the signal show up on the waterfall?
[21:52] <ve6ts> mic so far, i can't get anything on the waterfall when it is plugged in
[21:52] <ve6ts> yes i do a signal when it's going through the mic, but only garbage
[21:52] <mattbrejza> yea mic doesnt tend to work so well
[21:53] <craag> I've had reasonable success with the mic
[21:53] <craag> What do you mean by not matching the format?
[21:53] <ve6ts> so far i'm transmitting just a text string i came up with
[21:53] <ve6ts> not a trackable signal
[21:54] <ve6ts> how do u get it to use the audio port?
[21:54] <ve6ts> itdoesn't deactivate the mic when i plug in
[21:54] <craag> ah ok, no I think any text should decode.
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> hey craag
[21:54] <craag> Hmm tht sounds like a hardware-specific setting
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> Reb-SM3ULC, craag I found it interesting that the similar Marfa Lights at Marfa, Texas could be found to be lights coming from US Highway 67 :)
[21:55] <mattbrejza> does the app find the rtty (it sohuild line the two green lines up on the two tones)
[21:55] <craag> Lunar_Lander: Evening! Sorry I have missed your messages these past few times!
[21:55] <mattbrejza> you using 7 or 8 bit also?
[21:55] <craag> Hehe yes I've heard that.
[21:56] <ve6ts> mattbrejza 7 bit and it has 2 green lines, but they aren't on my main signal (using the mic) and no signal comming in through the audio line in port
[21:56] <mattbrejza> yea it wont decode unless the green lines match up
[21:56] <mattbrejza> and they only find the signal when its clear enough
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> craag, no problem
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> craag, reb and I were discussing the Hessdalen lights earlier
[21:58] <DL1SGP2> yeah
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[22:12] <PB0NER> sorry guys, we just found icarus, but no info on icarus?
[22:12] <PB0NER> oh stupid sentence
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[22:14] <x-f> PB0NER, it's a sample recording from UKHAS wiki that somebody played back and uploaded
[22:15] <x-f> i'm on the receivers list too, sigh..
[22:15] <PB0NER> oh, caused confunsion here at the other side of the north sea
[22:16] <x-f> yeah, that happens at least once in two months :)
[22:16] <PB0NER> thanx x-f, we where all starting up here...
[22:17] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: :)
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[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> Reb-SM3ULC, yea
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> I just watched a documentary on Hessdalen on youtube where the scientific director spoke and so on
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> was irritating that people from the village described not just seeing lights but actual craft
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[23:06] <ve6ts> i was thinking of using multi mode transmissions on 1 balloon (using the same transmitter) for example: transmit in rtty then in field hell then in cw and repeat all of the way up
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[23:15] <Laurenceb__> https://github.com/paulfertser/fso-el/wiki
[23:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> Lunar_Lander: hehe, a bit of a problem.. :)
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> strange
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