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[00:30] <Laurenceb__> arg
[00:30] <Laurenceb__> ok i hate freecad now
[00:30] <Laurenceb__> "fusion failed"
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[04:45] <Joel_re> hey, does anyone here have any code for the bmp085 barometric pressure sensor
[04:45] <Joel_re> that has been tested in the wild
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[09:06] <DL1SGP> good morning!
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[09:08] <fsphil> morn!
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[09:18] <tweetBot> @nerdsville: After giving a talk at SKARS about #HAB and #UKHAS I am now taking bookings for after dinner speeches, childrens parties, hen nights etc ;-)
[09:19] <eroomde> nice Andrew_M6GTG :)
[09:19] <DL1SGP> lol children's parties have the potential of presence of party balloons
[09:20] <Andrew_M6GTG> I didn't think of that.. lol
[09:21] <DL1SGP> "mommy he made my balloons fly away" "no sweety he amde them float away"
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[09:21] <Andrew_M6GTG> My audience was only a handful of people but quite enjoyed it and they were seriously impressed with habhub and ukhas, well done guys
[09:22] <DL1SGP> that's great andrew
[09:23] <Andrew_M6GTG> and am sure we will get a few flight out of it
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[09:29] <nats`> hi boyz
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[09:40] <Maxell> sup nats`
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[09:42] <RAMM25> avalante
[09:43] <ibanezmatt13> morning all
[09:43] <RAMM25> day all
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[09:47] <RAMM25_> oh no
[09:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
[09:49] <RAMM25_> hi
[09:50] <RAMM25_> want some coffee?
[09:51] <Herman-PB0AHX> o(_)0
[09:52] <RAMM25_> don't be afraid
[09:53] <RAMM25_> to all: is there anybody from USA?
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[09:54] <x-f> some are, but probably asleep now
[09:55] <RAMM25_> your truth
[09:55] <DL1SGP> I would like some coffee please :D
[09:56] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[09:56] <RAMM25_> DL1SGP, hi
[09:56] <Joel_re> does anyone have tested bmp085 code?
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[09:57] <DL1SGP> Good morning RAMM25
[09:57] <Joel_re> my reading seem to be skewed
[09:57] <Joel_re> readings*
[09:57] <x-f> Joel_re, sample code that can be found on the internets, is fine
[09:58] <x-f> skewed by how much?
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[09:59] <x-f> i read the pressure a few times and then averaged it to reduce the noise, but that's a different issue
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[10:01] <Joel_re> x-f: I get readings like 64hPa
[10:01] <Joel_re> 58-64hPa
[10:01] <Joel_re> Im close to the sea, but I should be seeing ~1000hPa ?
[10:01] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> Good Mornings :D
[10:02] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_AFK -> Steve_G0TDJ
[10:02] <DL1SGP> You cannot type, you are afk :D
[10:02] <DL1SGP> good morning Steve
[10:02] <Joel_re> I think its the code, its probably doing something wrong at some point with all that casting
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can't type at the best of times!
[10:02] <DL1SGP> lol typonese rocks
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Felix
[10:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> ibanezmatt13_: Thanks for the board - Did you have a good time yesterday?
[10:03] <ibanezmatt13_> It was amazing Steve_G0TDJ
[10:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> :D
[10:03] <ibanezmatt13_> the board arrived already?
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[10:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, hasn't VAYU?
[10:04] <ibanezmatt13_> not sure, all post is delivered to my Gran's at the minute. I'm going up there later
[10:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh I'm sure it will be there
[10:04] <ibanezmatt13_> cool :)
[10:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> What colour are those LEDs?
[10:04] <ibanezmatt13_> either red or green :/
[10:04] <ibanezmatt13_> not sure
[10:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL OK I'll use one on the next build
[10:05] <ibanezmatt13_> :)
[10:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can't get that dratted programmer to work. I think it needs new firmware but AVR Studio will have none of it.
[10:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> It is definitely a copy, I opened it up
[10:09] <ibanezmatt13_> ah
[10:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> It works with AVRDude on the commandline
[10:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> brb
[10:10] <ibanezmatt13_> ok
[10:10] <ibanezmatt13_> AVRdude should be ok, but I guess it's a bit more tricky doing it all in a command window
[10:10] <fsphil> make
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[10:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh, he
[10:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> s gone :-)
[10:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> As have my limited typing skills
[10:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> What do you mean 'make' fsphil ?
[10:15] <fsphil> make runs a script to build things
[10:15] <fsphil> you write a little Makefile, then to build it -- just run make
[10:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh yes, yo mean for AVRDude
[10:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> I thought you meant make a programmer
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[10:16] <fsphil> ah no
[10:16] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: Morning Steve
[10:16] <fsphil> that'd be too much work :)
[10:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Andy :-)
[10:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> fsphil: I love building stuff :-)
[10:17] <fsphil> I don't mind building things as long as it works
[10:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Andrew_M6GTG: What are the chances of ISS SSTV today?
[10:17] <fsphil> debugging hardware is horrible
[10:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> All part of the fun Phil :-)
[10:17] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: Pretty good if, supposedly sending images of Gagarin
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll have to set up so I can actually try and Rx today
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[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> He's BACK!
[10:18] <Andrew_M6GTG> http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/28/iss-slow-scan-tv-active/
[10:18] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, dodgy internet
[10:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cheers Andy
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Mine drops out with rain so expect me to do the same at any time
[10:19] <Andrew_M6GTG> ISS were putting out CQ call on last pass ;-)
[10:19] <fsphil> aww, there was a fantastic aurora display last night visible from here
[10:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool
[10:20] <fsphil> and I had to go to bed before it started. stoopid work
[10:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Drat
[10:21] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: Oh thanks for that wav file, VAYU was transmitting from a pub in Grantham last night on PMR446 channel 2 ;-)
[10:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> :D Cool how did the talk go?
[10:22] <Andrew_M6GTG> Went well, only a few people but think they were very impressed with the whole habhub/ukhas setup
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[10:23] <RAMM25> DL1SGP, sorry my internet down
[10:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Cool... Any interest is good interet
[10:23] <Andrew_M6GTG> mocked up a payload consisting of a pmr radio on vox and a mp3 player.. then showed receiving it using a scanner into the computer
[10:23] <Andrew_M6GTG> even had one of your labels on it ;-)
[10:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> :D
[10:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice demo Andy
[10:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> You can come and double act with me when I do MY clubs talk
[10:25] <Andrew_M6GTG> when is it? ;-)
[10:25] <Steve_G0TDJ> Jan 21st next year
[10:25] <Andrew_M6GTG> I'll be Paul Daniels.. you can be Debbie McGee
[10:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well I@m almost blonde LOL
[10:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good ISS pass coming up Andy
[10:27] <fsphil> radio is basically magic so that'd work
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[10:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> What would you say was the best software to capture the ISS's SSTV?
[10:28] <fsphil> MMSSTV
[10:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> Haven't got that one... looking
[10:29] <fsphil> I used to run it on linux via wine, but that doesn't seem to be working anymore
[10:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> Got it, just got to work out how to tell it to look at the MIC input
[10:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hmmmm Gotta go for a tick - brb
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[10:35] <fsphil> ah, seems to be working now
[10:35] <fsphil> weird
[10:35] <fsphil> will leave it on 145.800 see what it receives
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[10:36] <ibanezmatt13> can anyone work out why this is printing the max altitude to be 99.6, when in the file there are altitudes over 100m? https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/7200772
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[10:37] <ibanezmatt13> ah sorted ity
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[10:37] <ibanezmatt13> altitude needed to be a float for it to make the correct comparisons
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[10:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> fun a lot of balloons now in ussr
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[10:50] <eroomde> unity on ubuntu still seems a bit flakey
[10:50] <Laurenceb__> ewww
[10:50] <Laurenceb__> why would you even try
[10:50] <eroomde> for a hassle-free life
[10:51] <Laurenceb__> cinnamon seems useable
[10:51] <Andrew_M6GTG> great tweet from @HAL9000_ Merry Christmas! Because OCT31 == DEC25, well it made me chuckle
[10:51] <Laurenceb__> i fear you were right about FreeCAD
[10:51] <Laurenceb__> "Fusion Failed"
[10:52] <Laurenceb__> no reason why....
[10:52] <eroomde> yep
[10:53] <eroomde> it pains me to admit it
[10:53] <eroomde> but FOSS has yet to succeed at 3d mechanical cad
[10:53] <Laurenceb__> it'd help if there was some support
[10:53] <Laurenceb__> I may be doing something wrong, dunno
[10:53] <eroomde> i'm donwloading crunchbang linux
[10:53] <eroomde> gonna give it a whirl in a vm
[10:54] <Laurenceb__> is it possible to fuse two stl files in a pro CAD ?
[10:54] <Laurenceb__> this may be a simpler option
[10:54] <eroomde> i don't know
[10:54] <eroomde> it dounds unpleasant
[10:54] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[10:54] <eroomde> sounds*
[10:54] <eroomde> is this for work or play?
[10:54] <Laurenceb__> guess ill have to get FreeCAD to do it
[10:54] <Laurenceb__> work
[10:55] <eroomde> ah
[10:55] <Laurenceb__> i have autodesk on a VM
[10:56] <Laurenceb__> might have to learn
[10:56] <Laurenceb__> bbl
[10:57] <Steve_G0TDJ> Andrew_M6GTG: fsphil I've set up MMSSTV now :-)
[10:58] <fsphil> quick tip: in setup, set RxBPF to sharp or very sharp
[10:58] <fsphil> the images are a bit blurry otherwise
[10:58] <fsphil> and turn off auto-resync, and enable auto-slant
[10:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> OK Done those, thanks
[11:00] <eroomde> is this for the ISS?
[11:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep
[11:00] <eroomde> (or whatever)
[11:00] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: If you can record the pass, you can always playback and fine tune ;-)
[11:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> I can. I have Audacity
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[11:01] <Andrew_M6GTG> Had great fun getting images from ARISSat-1 before it fell to earth
[11:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Audacity standing by....
[11:01] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, I got a few of them. Not brilliant but still got some
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> What time is the pass from ISS due ?
[11:02] <fsphil> I didn't have much luck with arisat at all
[11:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> Geoff-G8DHE: In about 10mins
[11:02] <Steve_G0TDJ> I use www.n2yo.com it defaults to ISS
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah, OK LArkhill Sonde still going at presen
[11:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Geoff-G8DHE: What sort of telemetry do you get from them?
[11:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Temp, pressure, Rel. Humidity, wind speed, direction dew point
[11:04] <Andrew_M6GTG> I always seemed to end up getting really good logo pictures for ARISSAT-1 and not so good views out of the cameras
[11:04] <Steve_G0TDJ> Might have to investigate at some point
[11:04] <fsphil> yea arissat's camera wasn't very good
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[11:04] <fsphil> hoping the funcube has something better
[11:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> Geoff-G8DHE: gpredict is very nice, btw
[11:05] <Andrew_M6GTG> Geoff-G8DHE: Is the COAA? the only decoder for the sondes
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup quite interesting, trouble is the schedules are nin-existent, you never quite know what is going to appear when!
[11:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Geoff-G8DHE: Is there a standard Freq.?
[11:05] <fsphil> none of the Castorbay sondes have landed in n.ireland for a few weeks now
[11:06] <fsphil> the winds have been pretty bad for ages
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[11:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> ISS Footprint JUST over the UK Cornwall.
[11:07] <fsphil> okie, iss above my horizon now
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Several standard freq's 403, 404,1,404.2,404.3,404.4 404.8 I watch all in SDR-RAdio when not HABing and then switch off all but one when a Sonde appears!
[11:07] <fsphil> castorbay is on 402.8 iirc
[11:08] Action: Steve_G0TDJ grabs notepad
[11:08] <fsphil> no sstv so far
[11:09] <Andrew_M6GTG> shakes fist at hill to the west..
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/WeatherSondes/ you can see the freq's I have stored on the first image
[11:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep
[11:09] <Andrew_M6GTG> fsphil: I heard they are targetting Russia with the SSTV, so might be at back end of pass
[11:10] Action: Reb-SM3ULC fists at the low inclination.
[11:11] <x-f> Reb-SM3ULC, haha, true :)
[11:12] <Andrew_M6GTG> aprs digipeater is working I see ;-)
[11:12] <fsphil> aww
[11:12] <DL1SGP1> yes Andrew_M6GTG it is :)
[11:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Next pass will be better (for me) anyway
[11:13] <x-f> there was some short CW bursts or something on the previous pass
[11:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> Doesn't seem like they're doing any SSTV this pass....
[11:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just have to wait 90mins....
[11:17] <Andrew_M6GTG> oh well another 250MB of recorded static..
[11:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Already deleted...
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[11:18] <fsphil> take that entropy
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> No! Think of all that precious entropy!
[11:18] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yay, you're back
[11:18] <eroomde> you could use it as a RNG
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> Damn - beaten.
[11:18] <eroomde> i like this channel
[11:19] <ibanezmatt13> Yep, awful internet here Steve_G0TDJ
[11:19] <Andrew_M6GTG> got a warning about low disk space the other day, had nearly 200GB of SDR IQ files ;-)
[11:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, I have troubles in the rain sometimes
[11:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> ibanezmatt13: Our local terminal box has lost it's cover. I'm pretty sure that's part of the problem.
[11:20] <ibanezmatt13> ah right
[11:20] <ibanezmatt13> We're relying on BTopenzone at the minute until our wifi is installed
[11:20] <ibanezmatt13> which requires you to keep logging in every 10 minutes
[11:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's not so much of a problem that I can be bothered to complain
[11:20] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right
[11:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well you didn't miss much - We were all patiently waiting for ISS to pass over to Rx some SSTV and it wasn't broadcasting any LOL
[11:21] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[11:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> 90mins 'till next pass
[11:21] <eroomde> space is cool
[11:22] <eroomde> that you can do that
[11:22] <ibanezmatt13> yes, it's all about speed
[11:22] <ibanezmatt13> :
[11:22] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[11:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> I do like the whole Satellite/radio thing
[11:22] <fsphil> orbit is throwing yourself at the ground and missing, to paraphrase DNS
[11:23] <fsphil> DNA even
[11:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> Genius
[11:24] <fsphil> he was
[11:26] <Andrew_M6GTG> btw there is a Russian EVA scheduled for November 9th on the ISS, you can pick up the suit comms/downlink on 143.625MHz FM, usually last for hours and good chance of getting some RX
[11:27] <SpeedEvil> Havne't they switched to digital comms?
[11:27] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[11:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Can you give us a nudge nearer the day, my brain is full of stuff! :D
[11:27] <SpeedEvil> The downlink
[11:27] <Andrew_M6GTG> I did a video of EVA-33 back in June https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zY6PFbJeFU
[11:28] <Andrew_M6GTG> SpeedEvil: If it's ESA/NASA it's digital, if Russian segment they use old tech suits apparently
[11:28] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[11:30] <fsphil> these sdr programs need an AFC
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> SDR-Radio now supports dl-fldigi at least for all the VFO's
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[11:30] <Andrew_M6GTG> fsphil: you can link in a sat doppler correction add-in
[11:32] <fsphil> not for the sdr app I use
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Run very fast towards or away from the satellite.
[11:36] <fsphil> some people near the path of that would probably complain
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> You will be going fast enough to jump over them
[11:37] <Maxell> Andrew_M6GTG: the amsat-uk link you posted talks about Dmitry Pashkov UB4UAD, he also recieved B-23!
[11:37] <fsphil> its the shockwave they'd worry about
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> :) You'll be long gone
[11:40] <Andrew_M6GTG> Maxell: cool, love it when interests mix together
[11:41] <Maxell> Andrew_M6GTG: yep
[11:41] <Maxell> :o might not be B-32, but B-22
[11:41] <Maxell> lemme check the raw habitat export
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[11:44] <Maxell> OK, he did not recieve B-21, 22 or 23. He was on the map tough.
[11:48] <Andrew_M6GTG> Maxell: Judging from his twitter feed he probably didn't have time, think he was talking to the ISS this morning http://ub4uad.ru/?p=2216
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> 3 Sondes about at the moment 403Mhz, 404.2 & 404.4MHz
[11:51] <Maxell> 404 sonde not found?
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
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[12:05] <ibanezmatt13> should be interesting. On a train connected to a bt wifi hotspot
[12:06] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good luck Matt :-)
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[12:11] <eroomde> that obviously worked
[12:14] <Steve_G0TDJ> He he
[12:15] <mfa298> seeing the talk about the ISS pass, I tried listening the other day and saw some APRS data on .825 but nothing on .800
[12:15] <mfa298> the bits I read then suggested the SSTV was only at the end of the europe pass :(
[12:16] <acidtech> try 143.625
[12:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> THey only do the voice on 143.625 IIRC
[12:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> SSTV will be on 145.800
[12:21] <acidtech> what about 2.4GHz video transmitters?
[12:22] <Steve_G0TDJ> No idea on that one
[12:23] <Andrew_M6GTG> http://www.issfanclub.com/frequencies
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[12:26] <ibanezmatt13> Steve_G0TDJ, I have VAYU
[12:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> YAY! :D
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> Do you have the Eagle files?
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> I'm not quite sure what to put on it :)
[12:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> Of course. They're on the site
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> ah ok
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> ta
[12:27] <Steve_G0TDJ> I sent you the Boost reg cos I know you use a different one on NORB
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, got that. Looks a lot easier to solder!
[12:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> I found it OK with my technique
[12:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> Just take your time
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, looks like it shouldn't be an issue
[12:28] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'd love you to fly it sometime
[12:29] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: Are VAYU trackers for sale? ;-)
[12:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> No, I sent Matt a board in swap for one of his
[12:29] <Steve_G0TDJ> However, if you want one....
[12:30] <ibanezmatt13> not sure which are the Eagle files for this board Steve_G0TDJ
[12:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> The BRD and SCH files
[12:30] <ibanezmatt13> can't find them, one sec
[12:30] <Steve_G0TDJ> There's a list of them all on the page
[12:31] <ibanezmatt13> ah
[12:31] <ibanezmatt13> I was looking at 1.02
[12:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> http://www.projecthab.co.uk/VAYU_V1.02/VAYU-1.02.sch & http://www.projecthab.co.uk/VAYU_V1.02/VAYU-1.02.brd
[12:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, that's the one
[12:31] <ibanezmatt13> oh, it says 1.01 on it
[12:31] <Steve_G0TDJ> Where's that?
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> on the board
[12:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> I@v eprobably forgotten to update the text LOL.. Thanks for spotting it
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> VAYU HAB Tracker, v1.01
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> no
[12:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll sort that now
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> I mean on the actual PCB
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> that I'm holding :)
[12:32] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, I know, the silk screen
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> ype
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[12:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> Oh, that's OK, It's the same board with very minor differences
[12:33] <ibanezmatt13> so sme components as per the sch?
[12:33] <Steve_G0TDJ> SMD
[12:33] <ibanezmatt13> same*
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[12:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> Mostly 0603 resistors and caps apart from two 08** caps
[12:34] <ibanezmatt13> okie dokie
[12:34] <ibanezmatt13> thank
[12:34] <ibanezmatt13> s
[12:34] <Steve_G0TDJ> No worries. Let me kow if you have any difficulties
[12:34] <ibanezmatt13> will do :)
[12:34] <ibanezmatt13> is the code readily available?
[12:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> I've just ordered the new board too :-)
[12:35] <ibanezmatt13> nice
[12:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yes, code in in the list as an INO file
[12:35] <ibanezmatt13> cool, cheers
[12:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> It's an evolved bit of code so it's not very tidy
[12:35] <Steve_G0TDJ> I didn't write any of it apart from one line
[12:36] <ibanezmatt13> that's ok. So long as it works :)
[12:36] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep, works fine. You just need to change the callsign, origin co-ords and the pin for the Batt voltage measurement
[12:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> The pin is either 0 or 1
[12:37] <ibanezmatt13> excellent
[12:37] <Steve_G0TDJ> ISS passing over the UK in about 5-10mins
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[12:38] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork, NTX2B received. I'm gonna order an RFM22B too
[12:39] <eroomde> board swaps are an excellent and commendable idea, in my humble opinion
[12:39] <ibanezmatt13> they are indeed
[12:39] <eroomde> it's a great backup, if there's a bug it's unlikely to be a systematically shared bug as it was programmed by someone else, and everyone gets more flight time
[12:40] <ibanezmatt13> very true. Plus, I gain more soldering experience
[12:40] <eroomde> :)
[12:40] <ibanezmatt13> on saying that, the oven idea seems much handier
[12:40] <eroomde> i'm sure anthony would have an opening for you at hab supplies :)
[12:40] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[12:41] <ibanezmatt13> sounds like a good summer job ;)
[12:42] <ibanezmatt13> Steve_G0TDJ: 3v3 board?
[12:42] <mfa298> ISS footprint should be over UK now
[12:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yep
[12:42] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[12:42] <Steve_G0TDJ> But the boost reg takes care of that for you
[12:42] <WillTablet> Hi
[12:43] <Steve_G0TDJ> mfa298: Just hitting Cornwall
[12:43] <eroomde> and now it's in france
[12:43] <mfa298> hmmm, looks like I had slightly old data for my keps
[12:43] <mfa298> I thought they were supposed to be downloaded regularly :(
[12:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> mfa298: I'm uing www.n2yo.com
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[12:44] <mfa298> I'm using the sat tracking bit of HRD
[12:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> ISS Horizon over me now
[12:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, I sued to use that. Nice prog
[12:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> used
[12:46] <acidtech> any signal received?
[12:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Not yet
[12:46] <mfa298> I can see bits of aprs on the waterfall :) but nothing on .800 :(
[12:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> If they're sending APRS it's unlikely they'll do SSTV at the same time isn't it?
[12:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> if packet is on then no foon sory
[12:48] <mfa298> based on the small number of packets being downlinked this could be a good time to try sending aprs up
[12:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> Go Andy! :-)
[12:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> No hearing anything here
[12:50] <mfa298> damn the white noise - I keep thinking I can hear rtty in the background
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[12:52] <mfa298> looks like ~14:20 will be another good pass as well.
[12:53] <Andrew_M6GTG> can't help thinking this is an elaborate hoax ;-)
[12:56] <Andrew_M6GTG> actually I thought the APRS seemed to have more databursts than usual
[12:56] <mfa298> I've hopefully recorded the IQ stream so I should be able to have a look at what was happening there.
[12:56] <mfa298> there seemed to be a few big gaps between packets.
[12:57] <Andrew_M6GTG> going to get my 'beacon' running again at lunchtime, dismantled at the weekend due to wind
[12:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> There waas cefinitely SSTV yesterday
[13:02] <Andrew_M6GTG> Steve_G0TDJ: Been some for the last couple of days, can be a bit random, I remember back in April http://nerdsville.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/two-sstv-images-from-iss.html
[13:03] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hmmm, well I'l try the next pass
[13:04] <fsphil> silent again?
[13:05] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nothing on the last pass
[13:08] <craag> First time I've seen one of the new sarantels. They look sooo much more sturdy than the old ones!
[13:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> here also very silent last pass grgr
[13:10] <Herman-PB0AHX> my last qso was in jun or so http://pb0ahx.nl/soundfiles/qsoiss.mp3
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.com/DrillSpot-Brass-Finished-Pack-1000/dp/B00G9WRUGU The price of brass has risen some.
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[13:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> +$6.50 estimated shipping LOL
[13:19] <Hix> but it's only $6.50 shipping
[13:19] <Hix> bah
[13:19] <fsphil> that's nuts
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[13:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Ha ha fsphil
[13:21] <Steve_G0TDJ> Time for a spot of lunch I think - bbl
[13:21] <fsphil> good plan
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[13:28] <eroomde> shortbread fingers, courtesy of my coworker's girlfriend
[13:28] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6zg4xjx3h5vysw/2013-10-31%2012.41.35.jpg
[13:30] <Hix> eroomde meat versions http://goo.gl/nRDSFH
[13:30] <eroomde> yum
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[13:33] <Laurenceb> aha
[13:33] <Laurenceb> freeCAd fixed
[13:34] <Laurenceb> eww that food is scary
[13:34] <Laurenceb> freeCAD gets confused by 2d sketches lathed around weird axes
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:34] <Laurenceb> need to rotate about something sane then rotate the final shape
[13:36] <Hix> what are yuo trying to model Laurenceb?
[13:36] <Laurenceb> injection moulding stuff
[13:37] <Laurenceb> well - its CNC milled copper for spark erosion machine
[13:38] <Hix> I meant shapewise, I've got freetime if you need me to knock something up and spit it out as a STEP / IGES
[13:39] <Laurenceb> very complex stuff
[13:39] <Laurenceb> :P
[13:39] <Laurenceb> lots of holes and pins and stuff
[13:39] <Hix> I'm currently farting around with a design for a submersible
[13:40] <Laurenceb> it was failing right at the final stage where i wanted to create a union of two complex parts
[13:40] <Hix> got a grab?
[13:41] <Hix> nothing can be as infuriating and awkward as rear brake ducting
[13:42] <Laurenceb> its secret sorry
[13:43] <Hix> nps
[13:46] <fsphil> an automated sub would be cool. one that can be deployed from and return to a buoy
[13:48] <Hix> not sure how easy it would be to automate one, I just fancy the idea of underwater filming for less than the cost of a drysuit
[13:48] <fsphil> a wetsuit? :)
[13:55] <kokey> there an easy way to get gqrx to do rtty?
[13:57] <fsphil> gqrx doesn't do rtty at all?
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[13:57] <kokey> not the osx build at least
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[13:58] <fsphil> dl-fldigi does that job, and it can get its audio from gqrx with the right magic
[13:58] <kokey> yeah, can use audio hijack on the mac or just a jack to jack cable
[14:03] <fsphil> rtty decoding in gqrx directly would be kinda cool
[14:03] <fsphil> it already has a module for afsk1200
[14:07] <kokey> indeed
[14:07] <fsphil> I think the eventual plan for gqrx is for the UI to be split from the sdr bits -- so we could have dl-fldigi as a gqrx client at some point
[14:07] <fsphil> or multiple dl-fldigis all feeding of the one radio
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[14:20] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> ISS Passing over UK again
[14:24] <kokey> ah, that reminds me, I'm in Cape Town now
[14:24] <kokey> my ISS pass notification script will actually be useful again
[14:24] <kokey> pointless in the UK but was fine in Gibraltar
[14:24] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> Not hearing a thing here
[14:25] <fsphil> I've left mmsstv running at home, will check later. but it looks like they're not bothering
[14:25] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> Shame I missed that one yesterday....
[14:26] <Steve_G0TDJ_AFK> n2y0.com is also on the blink. I'm using www.isstracker.com instead
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[15:30] <eroomde> a british vari-eze
[15:30] <eroomde> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24750978
[15:31] <jarod> cool
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[15:33] <eroomde> i ould like my ppl
[15:33] <eroomde> would*
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[15:34] <fsphil> mmmmm only £50,000
[15:35] <fsphil> it's cute
[15:35] <eroomde> yeah
[15:36] <eroomde> i think i'd like the 2-seater varieze though
[15:36] <eroomde> it is one man + luggage for a week in france
[15:36] <fsphil> looks like it has a tash
[15:36] <eroomde> or 2 man for a day trip
[15:36] <fsphil> you flew in a varieze didn't you?
[15:37] <eroomde> yes
[15:37] <eroomde> http://www.e-goaeroplanes.com/specifications-2.html
[15:37] <eroomde> this thing is much more amenaible to uk runways than the vari-eze though!
[15:37] <eroomde> that had a takeoff speed of about 90mph
[15:37] <eroomde> 70mpg at 100kt!!
[15:38] <fsphil> hah
[15:38] <eroomde> could commute in the damn thing
[15:38] <fsphil> aaah some day
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[15:40] <eroomde> wonder if you can fly it instrument-rated
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[15:40] <eroomde> i understand that experimental vehicles can't
[15:41] <eroomde> "It may only be flown for private
[15:41] <eroomde> use, by day, in VFR, and only over non-congested areas of the country"
[15:41] <eroomde> meh
[15:46] <fsphil> definitly not london then :)
[15:52] <eroomde> they say they are planning a 2 seater version
[15:53] <eroomde> alter-e-Go
[15:53] <ve6ts> i need a plane that can takeoff and clear 50 feet in 200ft of grass runway, then i can land right at my cabin.
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[15:54] <ve6ts> my cessna 150 takes about 2000ft to do that
[15:54] <eroomde> :)
[15:55] <eroomde> that would be fun
[15:55] <eroomde> and helpful if you forgot to bring milk with you to the cabin
[15:56] <wd8mnv> why is it an "e" - go if it uses gas?
[15:57] <eroomde> unsure, though they say in the FAQ that they're hoping a new rule on wing loading being proposed will open up all-electric
[15:57] <eroomde> and that that's their aim
[15:57] <Hix> i was reading about the e-go at lunch, we've just been discussing it in the office, take off run is ~150m iirc
[15:58] <eroomde> they say any decent 300m grass strip should do it
[15:58] <eroomde> which is great
[15:58] <eroomde> i'd get that over the varieze for use here
[15:59] <ve6ts> we need lots of runway around, our density altitude is very high
[15:59] <eroomde> where are you?
[15:59] <ve6ts> Calgary, AB, Canada
[16:00] <ve6ts> in the summer i've seen density alts of over 7500 ft
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[16:01] <wd8mnv> anyone hearing ISS there?
[16:02] <fsphil> how high up is the ground there ve6ts?
[16:02] <fsphil> (don't say ground level :p)
[16:03] <ve6ts> CYBW (my home airport) is 4000 ft ASL and my cabin is 150 KM NE and it is at around 2500
[16:03] <Hix> "it just depends how close to ground level you are" Stereo MCs
[16:03] <ve6ts> hehe, ground level (i love that joke)
[16:03] <fsphil> 1.2km asl. that's pretty high up
[16:04] <fsphil> they built an airport on a mountain top?
[16:04] Action: ve6ts breathing heavily
[16:04] <ve6ts> no, our mountains go upto 10000-13000 ft ASL
[16:04] <ve6ts> the praries range from 2000ft-4000ft ASL
[16:05] <ve6ts> my cabin is depicted here: http://arawr.ca/?page=site
[16:06] <ve6ts> about 100 ft from the cabin is a small creek
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[16:06] <eroomde> "a fire pit for after launch festivities. "
[16:06] Action: eroomde books flights
[16:06] Action: daveake orders the bacon
[16:07] <ve6ts> yup we have had great launches there
[16:07] <ve6ts> the cabin was built in the 1930's
[16:07] <eroomde> we should have a group trip
[16:07] <ve6ts> i have launched 3 balloons from there, and have only owned it for under 2 months
[16:07] <daveake> eroomde Our new house has a launch site adjacent to the back garden :)
[16:08] <ve6ts> for the large balloons i cannot launch from my house in the city, as the airport is nearby and they want us to launch at least 90KM east
[16:08] <eroomde> i want to go to Churchill, Manitoba
[16:08] <ve6ts> my cabin is 115km NE
[16:08] <ve6ts> eroomde me too
[16:09] <ve6ts> polar bear viewing
[16:09] <eroomde> daveake, well, i guess my work has about 20 acres of field surrounf it before the next building
[16:09] <daveake> should be enough :)
[16:09] <Hix> isn't that nunavut?
[16:09] <ve6ts> eroomde definately enough
[16:09] <eroomde> they also used to do rocket lauches in churchill
[16:09] <Hix> most northerly town too iirc
[16:09] <ve6ts> they also do rocket launches south of me, like large ones
[16:09] <eroomde> which interested me as a possible spot for rockoon launching
[16:11] <Hix> did you watch this eroomde http://goo.gl/z21FWN
[16:11] <eroomde> however i think the rockoon drams are a bit retired for me
[16:12] <Hix> Svarlbard but still connected
[16:12] <eroomde> no missed it
[16:12] <eroomde> anoyingly
[16:12] <eroomde> that was when i was in the US for those weeks
[16:12] <Hix> I'll try and put it up into the etherweb
[16:12] <eroomde> thanks
[16:12] <Hix> got it on my sony phone, great to watch
[16:12] <eroomde> i was happily in cold manhatten around then
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[16:14] <eroomde> http://pic.obsd.com/2013-10-12/DSC_2152.JPG_lg.jpg
[16:14] <eroomde> that's how you track
[16:14] <eroomde> sunny day, sofa
[16:14] <eroomde> bbq
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: I got asked to go on a paid expedition to near there.
[16:15] <eroomde> churchill?
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> this could be as I share names with a polar bear scientist.
[16:15] <eroomde> oh!
[16:15] <eroomde> i was gonna say
[16:15] <eroomde> i'd have jumped at the chance
[16:16] <eroomde> http://pic.obsd.com/2012-10-14/balloon/DSC_9372.JPG_lg.jpg
[16:16] <eroomde> sigh
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[16:19] <fsphil> needs more red tape
[16:19] <mfa298> looks like it needed a camera and ssdv for temperature readings.
[16:20] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CezWPkoWXbY
[16:21] <Hix> heh
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[16:28] <ve6ts> eroomde u like the bear, it my was my gf's idea
[16:28] <ve6ts> eroomde yup that is tracking 101
[16:29] <ve6ts> eroomde it's a nice relaxing tracking, then we hope in the car and go find it.
[16:29] <fsphil> so much land
[16:30] <fsphil> I've got sea within 40km except south
[16:30] <ve6ts> i have 1000 km before ocean in 1 direction, and like 4000 or so the other
[16:30] <ve6ts> us is 400km to the south and about 2000km to the artic circle
[16:30] <ve6ts> all without leaving the country
[16:31] <fsphil> https://secure.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/7955153770/
[16:31] <fsphil> that said, tracking at the beach is nice :)
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[16:32] <ve6ts> fsphil that is tracking with style
[16:33] <ve6ts> usually we have poor to no cell coverage when we are tracking
[16:33] <fsphil> was tracking Darkside's flight that day. good times :)
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[16:35] <mfa298> oddly the places that look good for tracking habs from (especially tops of hills) seem to be the worst places to get 3G coverage.
[16:36] <fsphil> the mountain spot (don't laugh ve6ts .. 400m asl ;) I have has good 3g
[16:37] <ve6ts> fsphil hehe, oops wasn't suppost to laugh
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[16:37] <ve6ts> i was tracking something (not a balloon) from the top of a hill once: (great radio and visual coverage: it was 7000 ft asl about 2500 agl (hike in)
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[16:39] <ve6ts> i believe you would call it a mountain (it aint a mountain until it goes about the tree line around here
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[16:45] <ve6ts> well i was going to work on my website today at work, but there is turning out to be too much work today
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[17:24] <DL7AD_> evening
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[17:33] <jarod> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBxSntGGm8U hahahah
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[17:37] Action: mfa298 wonders what the relevance is
[17:38] <mattbrejza> careful when chasing balloons etc
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[17:44] <jarod> ah stop crying about relevance, this is irc... have a laugh now and then... else setup a forum and mod it
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[17:55] <eroomde> jarod, yes, except approaching 100% of your contribution here is OT
[17:55] <eroomde> which people notice
[17:56] <eroomde> and i'm perfectly willing to mod IRC
[17:58] <jarod> just ask my politely to leave, fine by me
[17:58] <jarod> dont do it politely... well.... it starts with o and ends with s
[18:00] <GargantuaSauce> ouroboros!
[18:00] <DL1SGP> operators? :)
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[18:00] <DL1SGP> good evening :)
[18:01] <mfa298> jarod: I have no issues with the occasional off topic post, but it helps if they're likely to be of interest to others in the community rather than the sort of thing you'de find on FB/ 9gag/ 4chan. It helps if you're also in topic some of the time.
[18:02] <jarod> just get some balloons up in holland so we can actually do something on topic :O
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[18:04] <eroomde> this is as much about balloon tech as tracking them
[18:05] <eroomde> tracking them is only a small part of the equation
[18:06] <ve6ts> eroomde i agree i spent about 50% of the time building, 20% tracking and 30% after analysis on my launches
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[18:23] <DL7AD_> could somebody translate this for me? http://www.r4n.su/forum/download/file.php?id=444&mode=view
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[18:25] <acidtech> it says that they are looking for baloon
[18:26] <acidtech> and asking for help
[18:26] <ve6ts> acidtech have you tried google translate?
[18:26] <acidtech> no
[18:28] <ve6ts> translate.google.com and it can do the webpage for you
[18:28] <ve6ts> i use it to translate the dutch ballooning pages i've been to.
[18:28] <acidtech> I don`t need it )
[18:28] <mfa298> does google translate work on images ?
[18:28] <ve6ts> hehe, i wish i knew more then 1 lang
[18:29] <ve6ts> mfa298 as far as i know only on text
[18:29] <eroomde> click on the link
[18:29] <ve6ts> the images are passed through, you would have to type the text in and hit translate separately
[18:29] <mfa298> the link is a photo of a newspaper article
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[19:13] <ilyarctr> DL7AD (Local newspaper) Achtung gesucht! 28. Oktober aus Deutschland wurde gesendet kleine Amateur Wetterballon .
[19:14] <ilyarctr> Seine Probleme inklusive Messung von Höhe, Geschwindigkeit Wind, Temperatur und Druck. Leider ist in Teil
[19:14] <ilyarctr> Weg, um die Telemetrie nicht berücksichtigt habe . 29. Oktober um 19.35 von der Sonde wurden neue Daten mit den Koordinaten erhalten
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[19:14] <ilyarctr> 58.535 , 49.217 Sendefrequenz 145.300 . Angesichts der Richtung , Windstärke und auch die Zeit, sendet er ein Signal , aber nicht in der Lage war , sie zu entschlüsseln ,
[19:15] <ilyarctr> Berechnung der ungefähren Fläche von Auswirkungen . Aktuelle genauen Koordinaten waren in der russischen Dorf .
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[19:15] <ilyarctr> Vollkommen geräuschlos eine Stunde später , nach den Berechnungen könnte es fliegen bis zu einer maximalen Fläche des Dorfes Lifanova Jurjansky ( 58,961 , 49,514 ) .
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[19:15] <ilyarctr> Wenn jemand zu diesen Orten reisen , wäre sehr dankbar, wenn Sie in beide Augen schauen .
[19:16] <ilyarctr> Die Informationen in dieser Sonde enthielt sehr nützlich sein wird , Meteorologen sagen danke und Amateure. gegenwärtig Zeit Amateuren sammeln die Geräte , die helfen
[19:16] <ilyarctr> die Richtung der Sonde genauer und reduzieren den Suchbereich . Finder , um die Redaktion zu kontaktieren.
[19:17] <ilyarctr> alles
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[20:03] <eroomde_> ibanezmatt13: ping
[20:04] <ibanezmatt13> good evening
[20:04] <eroomde_> it won't let me pm
[20:04] <eroomde_> dunno why
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[20:05] <ibanezmatt13> hmm
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[20:06] <eroomde_> i can see you
[20:06] <eroomde_> just can't reply
[20:06] <ibanezmatt13> strange, have you tried logging out and in again?
[20:07] <eroomde_> willdo
[20:07] <eroomde_> that graph looks right btw
[20:07] <eroomde_> brb
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[20:10] <fsphil> are fireworks a big thing for halloween anywhere else?
[20:10] <Upu> not here
[20:10] <Upu> just quite a few kids
[20:11] <fsphil> sounds like a war zone here
[20:12] <Upu> older kids with fireworks probably
[20:15] <daveake> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BX7Y-AyIMAAnQe7.jpg:large
[20:17] <WillTablet> We got some people trick or treating round here
[20:17] <nats`> give them ecstasy :D
[20:18] <WillTablet> Not hearing any fireworks. That said, I'm in the north so I don't t know what's going on down south
[20:22] <fsphil> the NORTH? don't go outside!!1
[20:22] <WillTablet> I know, it's awfu
[20:22] <WillTablet> so many eeh by gums
[20:23] <WillTablet> Full of northeners :-)
[20:23] <daveake> tell Upu to go home
[20:23] <WillTablet> Home?
[20:23] <daveake> Home? ?
[20:23] <fsphil> it stops being funny if he hast to explain it :)
[20:23] <fsphil> -t
[20:23] <WillTablet> I don't get that joke -
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[20:29] <LazyLeopard> Ho hum ;)
[20:34] <mfa298> I saw a few fireworks earlier in the week down 'ere, not sure if there are many being let off tonight.
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[21:01] <Laurenceb__> www.hover-bike.com/
[21:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all :-)
[21:01] Nick change: danielsaul_alt -> danielsaul
[21:04] <eroomde_> (untested)
[21:04] <eroomde_> (estimated)
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[21:07] <Laurenceb__> eroomde_: also only 15mpg
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> but interesting
[21:07] <eroomde_> e-Go light aeroplane
[21:07] <eroomde_> all the way
[21:08] <Laurenceb__> wow
[21:08] <Laurenceb__> very light
[21:08] <eroomde_> 70mpg at 100kts
[21:09] <Laurenceb__> neat
[21:09] <Laurenceb__> better than most cars
[21:09] <eroomde_> yep
[21:09] <eroomde_> and only needs a 300m grass strip
[21:09] <eroomde_> whereas the VariEze i lost my heart too need like a mile concrete
[21:09] <eroomde_> as it was 90mph takeoff speed
[21:10] <eroomde_> tho it could seat 2 just about
[21:18] <WillTablet> Woahj
[21:19] <WillTablet> That looks totes amazeballs
[21:19] <WillTablet> Eroomde, can you fly a plane?
[21:21] <eroomde_> not properly no
[21:21] <eroomde_> i have never done a landing or anything
[21:21] <eroomde_> but i have had some lessons
[21:22] <fsphil> my one lesson I was too afraid to move the controls much at all
[21:23] <WillTablet> I take it you need a PPL to fly one
[21:23] <fsphil> and couldn't keep my eyes of the instrumentation
[21:23] <fsphil> the pilot kept telling me to just look outside
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[21:41] <Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/31/hyperloop_crowdfunding/
[21:41] <Laurenceb__> lolz
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[21:42] <Laurenceb__> aiui there seems to be little point in vacuum tubes at all
[21:42] <Laurenceb__> due to the pressure buildup issues
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[21:48] <Laurenceb__> the "failtrain"
[21:48] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if there is something subtle that everyones missing.
[21:52] <Laurenceb__> all i can see is lots of stuff they are missing
[21:52] <Laurenceb__> e.g. it can't scale
[21:52] <Laurenceb__> passive maglev can scale
[21:52] <Laurenceb__> add more cars onto the back ~forever
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
[21:53] <Laurenceb__> for more capacity
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> You can even do horsedrawn maglev.
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> (That would, admittedly be silly)
[21:53] <Laurenceb__> haha
[21:54] <Laurenceb__> Diesel/CNG passive maglev looks cheap and nasty
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> I was amused by the concept of passive maglev tracks being used in that manner, in a postapocalyptic world.
[21:54] <Laurenceb__> but buildable
[21:55] <Laurenceb__> you could even stick standard rail wheels on the bottom of a passive maglev
[21:55] <Laurenceb__> so it can run as a tram
[21:55] <Laurenceb__> or regular train
[21:55] <Laurenceb__> then he can avoid paying for more stations
[21:57] <Laurenceb__> the whole hyperloop thing only makes sense as some hyper/ free advertising
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> I hope not.
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> but it seems likely
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> I did like my hydrogen burning variant though.
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> fill the tubes with oxygen, electrolyse the water.
[21:59] <Laurenceb__> also a 3 car, 60 passenger 500mph passive maglev running on modified diesel engine has low CO2 per passenger journey
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[21:59] <Laurenceb__> assuming gas fired power stations
[21:59] <Laurenceb__> heh
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[22:02] <SpeedEvil> And presumably relying on filled cars
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[22:02] <Laurenceb__> of course if the people building the Nottingham tram system ever got involved...
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[22:03] <Laurenceb__> they have spent 3 years so far trying to build a concrete viaduct
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> Or edinburgh.
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> That's way worse.
[22:03] <Laurenceb__> last week they dropped a beam and demolished part of it..
[22:03] <Laurenceb__> luckily there was no-one under it
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_Trams
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[22:04] <Laurenceb__> facepalm
[22:04] <Laurenceb__> sometimes i wonder how far a single worker with a JCB would get
[22:05] <fsphil> the mess they made of edinburgh making those trams was unreal
[22:05] <fsphil> it's not so bad now
[22:05] <fsphil> but it had better be worth it
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> One hundred million pounds a mile.
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> That would pay for a fuckton of free busses.
[22:09] <Laurenceb__> or a motorway scale vacuum tube
[22:10] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:10] <Laurenceb__> or a hovering motorway with stratospheric balloon suspension
[22:11] <Laurenceb__> or a bridge from laminated money composites
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[22:12] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:13] <Laurenceb__> yeah it would way for a 3m wide, inch think sheet of laminated £5 notes
[22:13] <Laurenceb__> *thick
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> Genius.
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[22:57] <tweetBot> @stratodean: Happy Halloween! http://t.co/D4kGTfgac1 #pumpinpayload #ukhas
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[23:02] <WillTablet> What's Mr_Fabulous's IRC name?
[23:02] <WillTablet> Oops wrong channel
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[23:04] <tweetBot> @stratodean: Happy Halloween! http://t.co/D4kGTfgac1 #pumpkinpayload #ukhas
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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