highaltitude.log.20131021

[00:02] <AK4RP> yes
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[00:04] <AK4RP> tried to listen to your balloon but unfortunately it is really cluttered to the south
[00:04] <AK4RP> and every damn neighbor seem to have those 433 MHz weather stations
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[00:12] <wb8elk> Yes....I'm using one of those $4 cheap SAW oscillators from SparkFun...had to keep it lightweight. The next one will have 2 meters on it so and more power.
[00:12] <AK4RP> but please ensure it drifts North :)
[00:13] <wb8elk> unfortunately the $4 module is right where the wireless weather stations and thermometers operate. Fortunately I have none out here in the country. (south of Huntsville AL). I could copy it out to GA about 90 miles downrange.
[00:13] <wb8elk> I will try next time !!!
[00:13] <wb8elk> northward bound.
[00:14] <wb8elk> I flew one of these from the Bowling Green KY hamfest a couple of weeks ago...were you there?
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[00:14] <AK4RP> do you have any ideas what might have happened to it today?
[00:14] <AK4RP> No, I just noticed it in the afternoon, it was too late
[00:15] <wb8elk> if you look at the chart on Spacenear, you'll see that it floated for a few minutes and then since it was at peak solar heating it sprang a small leak from what I can tell.
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[00:15] <wb8elk> It came down very slowly...about the same as it was going up earlier....1 meter/sec
[00:16] <wb8elk> it is possible that it will fly again when the Sun heats it up in the morning if it isn't caught on a tree limb.
[00:16] <wb8elk> It's not easy to get one of these to float....although the folks in Europe seem to make it look that way :-)
[00:16] <AK4RP> yes, I was observing their activities when I became aware of your flight
[00:17] <wb8elk> have to keep the payload very lightweight...mine had no batteries...totally solar-powered....14 grams in weight total.
[00:17] <AK4RP> friends are involved in that
[00:17] <AK4RP> good job!
[00:17] <AK4RP> when is your next flight? :)
[00:17] <wb8elk> We're going to be flying some large balloons from Univ of Alabama Huntsville for their engineering class on Nov. 5th at 9 am from Huntsville AL
[00:18] <wb8elk> you're welcome to attend.
[00:18] <wb8elk> We do that twice a year and have been for many years now.
[00:18] <AK4RP> we just drove down to Tennessee river yesterday on the Natchez trace. maybe we can do it again
[00:18] <wb8elk> I'll private message you my email....I'm also good on QRZ.com
[00:18] <AK4RP> alright, I'll let my email know, too!
[00:19] <AK4RP> I'd be glad to see and track more launches.
[00:19] <wb8elk> I just sent you my email if you look at the private message above.
[00:20] <wb8elk> I launch about 20 to 30 balloons each year from my farmhouse south of Huntsville. I'm about 20 miles south of Huntsville on a mountaintop. I can hit the Nashville repeaters by the way from here.
[00:22] <AK4RP> we just moved from a place where I could routinely hear APRS traffic from the Huntsville area (but nothing else)
[00:22] <wb8elk> got your email...I'll try to let you know about future flights. We're doing one from Indiana next weekend for a college....I might launch a mylar floater in addition.
[00:23] <wb8elk> Do you monitor a 2m or 70cm repeater there?
[00:23] <wb8elk> in your area?
[00:23] <AK4RP> no, not really
[00:24] <wb8elk> I don't usually either...but I can usually hit most of them from here. I have a great location to the North here.
[00:24] <wb8elk> I chat with Hank W4HTB in Bowling Green KY all the time directly on 2m FM.
[00:24] <AK4RP> I'll definitely watch out for the Indiana launch
[00:25] <wb8elk> I'll fly a DominoEX transmitter on 2m FM that you might be able to hear from the Indiana flight
[00:25] <wb8elk> probably on 144.34 MHz FM
[00:26] <wb8elk> I'll also may be flying SSTV as well on that same Frequency
[00:26] <AK4RP> at least there is no QRM from those damn WX devices
[00:27] <wb8elk> yes....I'll get away from that. I used those 434 MHz modules since I had a number of them laying around and they were very lightweight but I need to get away from those wireless weather frequencies.
[00:27] <AK4RP> that means audio DominoEX over FM and not USB, right?
[00:28] <wb8elk> Yes...most likely on FM next weekend....probably actually be running packet burst followed by SSTV on 144.34 on that flight actually.
[00:28] <wb8elk> The dominoEX will be on another frequency nearby.....remind me by Thursday via email and I'll update you what we'll be flying.
[00:29] <AK4RP> great, I'll do.
[00:29] <wb8elk> I was flying DominoEX16 today....could barely hear it in the noise and could still copy it perfectly. It's an amazing mode.
[00:30] <AK4RP> how did you do the AM?
[00:31] <wb8elk> very well on the AM mode....solves the drifting problem...the audio frequency always stays the same via dl-FLdigi. I rarely have to retune the radio a bit during the flight.
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[00:31] <wb8elk> Oh I see what you asked.....I bit-banged the SAW oscillator module on/off to generate the tones
[00:32] <AK4RP> did you try direct FSK generation?
[00:32] <wb8elk> crude but simple...the module actually rounds out the square some so it looks pretty good.
[00:32] <F6AGV> morning
[00:33] <wb8elk> The cheap SAW module is much to unstable to do FSK....I did have it doing CW and Hellscreiber however.....sounded like a Star Trek sound effect with a very chirpy CW but it was copiable.
[00:34] <AK4RP> I need to get a decent 2 m antenna then :)
[00:34] <wb8elk> I usually run 2m FM...or 20m HF on my payloads.....been using 434 MHz for these Pico mylar balloons.
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[00:36] <AK4RP> 70 cm seems to work great in Europe & as long as they are ground stations around ...
[00:36] <AK4RP> how is 20 m performing? do you get any skywave propagation? what kind of antenna?
[00:36] <wb8elk> If you can come down for the UAH flights in Huntsville on Nov. 2nd....it will be lots of fun....we're flying interesting student experiments. Three balloons in a row starting at 9 am...and then we go out for the chase...which is half the fun.
[00:37] <wb8elk> I see I typoed the date earlier...it is actually Saturday Nov. 2nd for the UAH flights
[00:37] <AK4RP> I'll definitely try to go, Huntsville is not far
[00:38] <wb8elk> yes....the last payload I flew was attached to Jonathan Trappe's manned trans-Atlantic flight attempt from Maine. It was copied all over the US, the UK, Germany and Poland.
[00:38] <wb8elk> and Ireland
[00:38] <wb8elk> 1 watt RTTY for that flight but the DominoEX usually is better.
[00:39] <AK4RP> I think I'll catch up with your website
[00:39] <wb8elk> email me before you drive down to the UAH flights in case we have a weather delay.
[00:39] <AK4RP> ok
[00:39] <wb8elk> vertical dipole on 20m
[00:40] <wb8elk> I'm coding up a WSPR mode HF tracker...as are several here on this chat room
[00:40] <AK4RP> yeah, that's what I was wondering...
[00:40] <wb8elk> I have it on the air with 200 milliwatts and it is usually copied in Europe and Australia each day.
[00:41] <wb8elk> I even get reports on it when running it at 20 milliwatts
[00:41] <AK4RP> but how about the Doppler spread? The tone separation is so low
[00:41] <wb8elk> 20m and 30m works the best for me but mostly due to the quantity of receive stations
[00:42] <wb8elk> each tone is over a second long so that helps with any spreading of the signal.
[00:42] <wb8elk> I'll put mine back on the air in a few minutes if you want to search for my callsign on WSPR on 20m
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[00:43] <wb8elk> wsprnet.org
[00:43] <AK4RP> yes, but in frequency domain? The tone separation might be comparable to the DOppler spread caused by movement and such stuff, when the balloon travels at 50 mph or above. just a feeling.
[00:43] <AK4RP> I'm not at home at the moment, there is a baby shower underway there :)
[00:43] <Darkside> unless its moving straight towards you, its not a big problem
[00:43] <Darkside> it can be an issue just after burst though
[00:44] <AK4RP> I'm very much interested in that WSPR stuff. I did some WSPR implementation before
[00:44] <Darkside> thats often how we find out about burst - by the RTTY tones shifting
[00:44] <Darkside> ok gtg..
[00:46] <AK4RP> I have to disconnect now, I'll email you about next week
[00:47] <wb8elk> ok....see you later....my WSPR is back on the air by the way.
[00:47] <AK4RP> I'll try to find it in an hour. see you then
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[00:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Copper-Mesh-200x200-002-05mm-Wire-003-08mm-Wd-6x6-/321076091456?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item4ac1a05a40
[00:50] <SpeedEvil> Looks handy. I have no idea what for.
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[04:14] <heathkid> #usahab for USA based HAB projects...
[04:17] <heathkid> would someone please put that in the topic???
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[05:13] Action: SP9UOB-Tom is gone. Gone since Sun Oct 20 21:58:00 2013
[05:21] <x-f> #highaltitude is already international
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[05:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning!
[05:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> Battery: 1.44 V
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[05:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> it uses allmost no power :-)
[05:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> what a pity, that there is no rx stations...
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[05:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi DL1SGP :-)
[05:28] <x-f> morning, Tom
[05:28] <DL7AD> good morning
[05:28] <DL7AD> is someone able to speak russian?
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[05:29] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom are you?
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[05:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: unfortunetly no
[05:31] <DL7AD> i know somebody who has been already on the map some weeks ago for B-11.... its rw6hp and he it in the path of your balloon SP9UOB-Tom. but i cant call him on russian.
[05:31] <DL7AD> i dont know if he understood my english mail SP9UOB-Tom
[05:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: i try to email him
[05:33] <DL7AD> i did already yesterday SP9UOB-Tom
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[05:36] <DL7AD> the projected flight path should reach him in 10 or 11 hours from now on SP9UOB-Tom
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[06:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi ra3el where are You from ?
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[06:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> ra3el: could You ask Russian Hams near Volgograd to track the balloon ?
[06:32] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: he already went..
[06:33] <DL7AD> anybody here able to speak russian now?
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[06:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok time to work
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[06:51] <miaux> Good morning, DL7AD, we try it, Dobroe Utro!
[06:52] <DL7AD> good morning miaux :) what are you going to try? receiving SP9UOB?
[06:53] <miaux> Kak mozno Vam Pomogat?
[06:53] <miaux> we try to speak russian
[06:54] <DL7AD> i cant speak russian... :( LeoBodnar can but he is not here
[06:54] <miaux> Ok, we try it later, when Leo is her.
[06:54] <miaux> here
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[06:55] <DL7AD> miaux: im trying to contact rw6hp because SP9UOB is on his flight path
[06:56] <x-f> you need a voice record or what, DL7AD?
[06:56] <DL7AD> miaux: i contacted him on english but i dont know, if he understood.
[06:56] <DL7AD> miaux: no i need somebody who can contact him in russian in order to receive SP9UOB
[06:56] <miaux> Ok, I see SP9UOB on the map, It is really unbelived story. It would be good to follow it in the near future too.
[06:57] <DL7AD> rw6hp's mail is rw6hp@mail.ru
[06:57] <miaux> Has he some/little practice to follow the ballon? use the dl-fldigi?
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[07:00] <DL7AD> miaux: he already appeared on the map before when b-11 was flying but he never received any balloon
[07:01] <miaux> Ok, it seesm, he has installed dl-fldigi, only need to ask him try to follow SP9UOB... is it correct?
[07:01] <DL7AD> miaux: www.dl7ad.de/sp9uob.png <= so he could possibly receive it (the circle around is at 300km distance)
[07:02] <DL7AD> miaux: yes but he should have no practise. so it could be, that he receives it but does not the right configuration...
[07:03] <miaux> ok, I send him a short notice abut flying SP9UOB and ask his fldigi config. Maybe the correct config is in fldigi?
[07:08] <DL7AD> miaux: yes dlfidigi synchronizes the data with the server. he should have SP9UOB in the list when he openes the program
[07:09] <DL7AD> miaux: thx :)
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[07:09] <x-f> someone from Volgograd might have a better chance
[07:09] <x-f> if we had a choice..
[07:10] <x-f> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/127884_trj001.gif
[07:12] <DL7AD> x-f: do you know one? :D
[07:12] <DL7AD> x-f: do you know anyone? :D
[07:13] <x-f> nope
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[07:16] <miaux> Ok, I sent hime some sentences, but now I mus go out to the city, for one hour. sry...
[07:16] <miaux> must
[07:16] <DL7AD> miaux: np ;)
[07:17] <miaux> If he answer somethig, I will put here.
[07:17] <miaux> bye!
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[07:53] <DL1SGP1> Good Morning :)
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[07:57] <DL7AD> morning DL1SGP1
[07:58] <DL7AD> DL1SGP1: number one! :P
[07:58] <DL1SGP1> indeed
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[08:03] <LeoBodnar> morning
[08:03] <fsphil> morn
[08:03] <DL1SGP1> Good morning Leo "TheFLoat" Bodnar :)
[08:05] <LeoBodnar> another working week ahead...
[08:05] <fsphil> boo
[08:05] <fsphil> ah well, it pays for nice things
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[08:07] <DL1SGP1> heh
[08:08] <wd8mnv> question... does the RFM12B and the 22B share the same 'footprint' and maybe the same pinout?
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[08:11] <Hix> wd8mnv they seem to be ever so slightly different http://www.hoperf.com/upload/rf/rfm12b.pdf https://www.dropbox.com/s/cb252o90sjmso33/RFM22B.pdf
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[08:13] <wd8mnv> I have an Digispark (attiny85) and they have a RFN12B shield for it... was thinking if it could be adapted...
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[08:14] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[08:14] <fsphil> is the ascent rate or free lift more important to get a foil floating?
[08:15] <fsphil> my pico is probably going to be a bit heavy
[08:15] <LeoBodnar> free lift fsphil
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[08:15] <LeoBodnar> ascent rate is pretty much always 0.6-1.0 m/s
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[08:16] <fsphil> I'll aim for the slower of that range
[08:16] <fsphil> and keep the car ready incase it comes back down
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[08:20] <LeoBodnar> It has strange shape when ascending underinflated with variable volume and constant surface area, so drag is a bit impossible to calculate
[08:21] <fsphil> ah, hadn't thought of that
[08:21] <fsphil> I guess that's why the ascent rates keep changing
[08:22] <LeoBodnar> Also with 3g lift and total weight of say 60g it takes a while to accelerate after release and decelerate into stable ascent rate
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[08:25] <DL7AD> morning to all came in recently
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[08:27] <fsphil> it's nearly the start of vampire season -- when the drive to work and home is in the dark, and I don't see sunlight until March :)
[08:29] <fsphil> it must get really annoying for people who live far north
[08:31] <Lunar_LanderU> fsphil: it is
[08:31] <Lunar_LanderU> alcoholism is a big problem in scandinavia
[08:31] <LeoBodnar> morning DL7AD
[08:32] <fsphil> could be a cultural thing, rather than length of day. though it could be hard to separate
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[08:33] <LeoBodnar> It's all over from Scandinavia to Alaska along Arctic circle
[08:33] <fsphil> interesting
[08:33] <daveake> <fsphil> I guess that's why the ascent rates keep changing ... actually I think a lot of that is noise in the GPS altitude
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[08:34] <fsphil> good point daveake. the faster rates of a regurlar flight would mask that a bit
[08:34] <daveake> yup
[08:35] <fsphil> a pressure sensor might be more accurate for foils
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[08:37] <Hix> eroomde http://i.imgur.com/JV43UbS.png is the ball linkage with the brass insert M2 fitting
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[08:39] <Hix> eroomde these radio active ones, http://www.rcworld.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000067.pl?WD=ball%20links&PN=Ball-Joints-Ball-Links%2ehtml#aFRCA137_2f10_20LA350M210
[08:41] <Lunar_LanderU> radioactive
[08:41] <Lunar_LanderU> ?
[08:42] <daveake> So you can see them in the dark
[08:43] <Hix> eroomde ball Ø4.75mm
[08:43] <daveake> Don't your balls glow in the dark?
[08:44] <jphoglund> ...
[08:44] <jphoglund> :D
[08:44] <jphoglund> *wipes coffee off the monitor*
[08:44] <DL7AD> rofl
[08:46] <fsphil> I was wondering if that was normal
[08:47] <Hix> daveake http://goo.gl/sJZyZ3
[08:47] Action: daveake hesitates before clicking
[08:47] <Hix> heh
[08:47] <daveake> yes just like that :p
[08:47] <Hix> you know you wanna see my glowing balls
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[08:48] <fsphil> lol
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[08:50] <Lunar_LanderU> daveake: ROFL
[08:51] <fsphil> you could hurt yourself doing that
[08:51] <daveake> especially with those .... no never mind
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[10:26] <Hix> daveake - oh dear god. http://goo.gl/1sbmdI
[10:27] <fsphil> bonus points for the name
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OMG
[10:29] <UpuWork> NTX2B's should land end of this week
[10:30] Action: fsphil cancels his expedition to russia
[10:30] <fsphil> how'd the one on atlas work anyway, I wasn't able to see it directly. was it drifty?
[10:30] <UpuWork> not sure
[10:31] <UpuWork> it seemed to be having power issues
[10:31] <UpuWork> drift on keyup
[10:31] <UpuWork> guess we need more testing
[10:31] <fsphil> ah, shame
[10:31] <fsphil> sounds a like the ntx2a
[10:31] <UpuWork> it didn't move frequency much but the shift changed
[10:34] <daveake> Hix I think that's proof that bacon isn't always a positive addition :)
[10:35] <Hix> yup - I'm with you on that one.
[10:35] <Hix> I've never been repulsed by bacon. Until then
[10:36] <gonzo_> upuwork, do you still need that launch screen grab from wsmeteor?
[10:36] <UpuWork> yes pls
[10:37] <fsphil> guess we can't avoid a digital control for the mfsk modes
[10:37] Action: Elwell delurks - nice work on the ntpi board folks. I may be tempted to get one for work
[10:38] <Elwell> is the antenna completely weatherproof? (we have colorbond roofing / cladding on the datacentre - suspect it will need to go on roof
[10:39] <gonzo_> upuwork: www.g0nzo.co.uk/misc/wsmeteor_at_launch.bmp
[10:39] <gonzo_> (sorry about the size)
[10:40] <UpuWork> bmp :)
[10:41] <UpuWork> got one at altitude ?
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> This one was @ 2.6Km http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/WSMETEOR_20131019/Capture.JPG
[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> and here at Burst 33.373Km http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/WSMETEOR_20131019/WSMETEOR_201310191422_BURST.jpg
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[10:44] <Steve_G0TDJ> Morning Guys
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Morning
[10:44] <UpuWork> cheers
[10:44] <UpuWork> so looks like it didn't go much from 410
[10:44] <UpuWork> ok interesting thanks
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think I left mine at 410Hz for the whole flight, after the intial adjustment
[10:45] <UpuWork> flight doc was set to my initial prototype habduino
[10:45] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Geoff-G8DHE Could you resend that link from yesterday, I lost my rollback and I don't kno how to access the log yet.
[10:45] <UpuWork> but for this flight shift was set in code to 425
[10:45] <UpuWork> so not bad
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[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup no problem all the flights are here http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights
[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> just select the one you need
[10:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Thanks Geoff-G8DHE
[10:46] <UpuWork> ta
[10:46] <UpuWork> I passed your animation on to them btw
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes haven't seen them come back on IRC since!
[10:48] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL 'Ooops' :-) Cheers Geoff-G8DHE I've saved them locally
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll stick the KML up in a moment from EPT
[10:49] <Steve_G0TDJ> ping daveake
[10:49] <daveake> pong
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[10:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> :-) Moring, can you point me in the right direction to get the BATC footage please?
[10:50] <daveake> Erm, I have to upload it first :p
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[10:50] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL Oh, I thought the site saved it automatically. No worries. No rush eigher
[10:50] <daveake> I'll get that done
[10:50] <daveake> No it doesn't
[10:51] <fsphil> it was a bit Blair witch. kinda cool
[10:51] <UpuWork> Dave said "upload" we may be her sometime
[10:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL
[10:51] <daveake> I'm hoping I still had the "Save to HD" box ticked .... :/
[10:51] <fsphil> people running through a forest
[10:51] <fsphil> ended mysteriously in a field
[10:51] <daveake> UpuWork haha
[10:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well it was seen so it's no biggie if you didn't get it daveake
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[10:51] <daveake> However at least the new house (fingers crossed) has FTTC on the horizon
[10:51] <daveake> Unlike here
[10:51] <fsphil> nice!
[10:51] <Steve_G0TDJ> FTTC?
[10:52] <fsphil> fibre to the cabinet
[10:52] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice!
[10:52] <UpuWork> internet god mode
[10:52] <fsphil> basically
[10:52] <Darkside> hrm
[10:52] <UpuWork> lets put it this way
[10:52] <daveake> Meaning I can upload ll the photos from one of my launches in time for the next launch
[10:52] <Darkside> whats the last hundred metres?
[10:52] <Darkside> VDSL2?
[10:52] <fsphil> yea
[10:52] <UpuWork> my internetz were "Dave Speed" 1Mbps down 0.4 up
[10:52] <Darkside> hrm
[10:52] <fsphil> basically what you're about to get there
[10:52] <Darkside> fuck that
[10:52] <UpuWork> now I'm 55 down and 16 up
[10:52] <Darkside> i want FTTH
[10:53] <Darkside> our problm is our copper network sucks
[10:53] <Steve_G0TDJ> One day, it will be so
[10:53] <fsphil> BT are offering FTTH in some places
[10:53] <daveake> So ... once the cabinet has fibre ... do they then offer fibre to houses if you pay $$$ ?
[10:53] <fsphil> yea
[10:53] <Darkside> hrm
[10:53] <fsphil> they charge per metre
[10:53] <Darkside> they've bn saying they cant do that here
[10:53] <Darkside> apparently its to difficult
[10:53] <fsphil> cheaper than maintaining the old copper network I bet
[10:53] <UpuWork> yeah at some point
[10:54] <fsphil> it's a very short sighted decision
[10:54] <UpuWork> FTTP on demand will be availble
[10:54] <UpuWork> but yes its expensive £500 install
[10:54] <Steve_G0TDJ> Whats new fsphil
[10:54] <daveake> meh
[10:54] <fsphil> very true
[10:54] <UpuWork> more if you're over 500 meters
[10:54] <daveake> ah
[10:54] <UpuWork> however 110Mb down and something daft up
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[10:54] <fsphil> and that'll only get faster
[10:54] <daveake> And likely fttc speeds?
[10:54] <daveake> Frankly even £1k might not be too much
[10:54] <fsphil> 40/50mbit
[10:55] <gonzo_> prob is, the whole internet backbone is not up to those speeds
[10:55] <UpuWork> depends
[10:55] <daveake> ok
[10:55] <UpuWork> can be 80/20
[10:55] <daveake> 20 is good
[10:55] <UpuWork> but at least 15Mb down or they don't do it
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mine started at 70Mbps but then they trained it down to 50Mbps :-(
[10:55] <daveake> you need digits after the dp for here
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> This mornings results http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3047121699
[10:58] <gonzo_> friend had arguments with B, as they were claiming that the small print says that you get what you get. But the .gov were doing grants for rolling out rural broadband, and they speced broadband as >2MB , so what bt had supplied was breaching trade descriptions
[10:58] <gonzo_> BT
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[11:01] <M6PFX-Paul> gonzo_ what did they do?
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[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Would it be worth mentioning that the callsign in dl-fldigi is now limited to 10 or less characters ? Just noticed quite a few stations with longer calls in the past ...
[11:13] <Darkside> well its designed for amateur radio calls that are rarely longer than 10 characters
[11:13] <Darkside> usually 6 or 7, and maybe with a /P or /M on the end
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[11:15] <fsphil> not all receivers are amateurs
[11:15] <Darkside> yes
[11:15] <Darkside> but fldigi was designed for amateurs
[11:15] <fsphil> though in this case, for it being disaplyed in a list, the limit makes sense
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes but until yesterday any length could be entered, its now been limited at Habitat to 10 as I understand it!
[11:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Stations that worked in the past might now find its stopped working without any apparent reason...
[11:17] <daveake> Perhaps block anything containing a url
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[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Perhaps a not in the Info box on snus to indicate 10 or less characters for callsigns ?
[11:22] <fsphil> or just trim them
[11:22] <fsphil> put a + at the end for longer ones
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> That would be a better approach!
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[11:32] <wd8mnv> i think there was a spammer yesterday
[11:32] <henryplumb> Hi all
[11:34] <gonzo_> upuwork, yep bmp. Forgot to convert it.
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[12:26] <Hix> hmmm it appears that you can run Catia under WINE these days. This could be a very good thing
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[12:36] <tweetBot> @thecraag: Prediction for Saturday still not looking good. #ukhas http://t.co/WVsFxArY7J
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[13:03] <ibanezmatt13> afternoon
[13:04] <eroomde> people who know about IT. Does there exist a printer with the following specs: A4 colour laser with duplex, scanner with multiple sheet feed + scan-to-email, and copy, that is network only and doesn't need any windows crap to use some or all of the functionality?
[13:04] <eroomde> ideally not 'enterprise' i.e. this side of £1k
[13:04] <mattbrejza> the one in the office does that, but is probably the wrong side of £1k
[13:05] <eroomde> yeah, i know you can get huge tanks of printers that can do it all
[13:06] <eroomde> just wondering if there was something more in the small workgroup category
[13:08] <mattbrejza> a quick look on ebuyer shows that laser printers can be cheaper than expected
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[13:09] <mattbrejza> no idea about the windows driver bit
[13:11] <eroomde> yeah
[13:11] <eroomde> there's lots of stuff on the website about things like
[13:12] <eroomde> HP eShare eEnterprise Workgroup Pro with Office Integration Synergy
[13:12] <eroomde> and BS lik that
[13:12] <eroomde> i don't want any of that guff
[13:12] <mattbrejza> haha great name
[13:12] <eroomde> i want it to just speak postscript, sit on the network, and scan-to-email
[13:12] <eroomde> i made the name up
[13:12] <eroomde> it's just the usual constipated crap that passes fro product names in windows land
[13:13] <mattbrejza> worrying how convincing it was though
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[13:14] <eroomde> in Edlandia all software will have to be OS, all peripherals will have to use open protocols, and all RC people will be executed unless the provide proper dimensions drawings and specifications of their stuff
[13:14] <eroomde> i think it would be a good society
[13:14] <Hix> H&S?
[13:15] <daveake> you need to ask?
[13:15] <eroomde> what's that?
[13:15] <eroomde> actually i would take a leaf staight from Skunkworks
[13:16] <eroomde> Other functional organizations within the Skunk Works ( Lockheed Advanced Deve-
[13:16] <eroomde> lopment Company) such as human resources, information services, facilities, environmental health
[13:16] <eroomde> and safety, and legal provide “on demand” support to the program managers.
[13:16] <eroomde> i.e., when you ask for them, they do what you want of them
[13:16] <eroomde> and then f-off
[13:16] <eroomde> which is how it should be
[13:16] <eroomde> rather than HR trying to busy itself imposing things
[13:17] <Hix> could you live without the scanner?
[13:18] <Hix> or just have a separate scanner?
[13:18] <eroomde> such that it satisfied the following: scan multisheet and email to pdf
[13:18] <eroomde> er, email the pdf
[13:19] <eroomde> i.e., no imp and manual stuff
[13:19] <eroomde> gimp*
[13:19] <eroomde> it just has to be standalone
[13:19] <eroomde> i'm trying to get the barrier to use on this stuff down below a threshold where people actually use it without it being a mental burden
[13:20] <eroomde> there's a distinct threshold for me on usability above which you might aswell not bother: having to open an image editing/scanning program, scan, save to pdf, open up an email client, manually attach and then send
[13:21] <Hix> HP LaserJet Pro 400 color MFP M475dn seems to be in the middleground between costly enterprise and consumer
[13:21] <eroomde> that's what i'm looking at
[13:21] <eroomde> but i can't find a straight answer on if the canning bit works standalone
[13:21] <Hix> and HP stuff always used to work with Unix [SUN] when we used it
[13:21] <eroomde> scanning*
[13:21] <eroomde> i.e. how do you point it to an smtp server
[13:22] <eroomde> or whatever
[13:22] <adamgreig> how vital is the laser?
[13:22] <adamgreig> the HP stuff is generally good except
[13:22] <adamgreig> the home/small office HP scanners scan-to-email involves sending the doc to HP's server who emails it to you
[13:23] <Hix> "Scan file format
[13:23] <Hix> PDF, searchable PDF, JPG, RTF, TXT, BMP, PNG, TIFF"
[13:23] <eroomde> adamgreig, fairly vital
[13:23] <eroomde> 99% of it will be b&w text docs
[13:23] <adamgreig> right
[13:23] <Hix> "Duplex ADF scanning
[13:23] <Hix> Yes
[13:23] <Hix> Automatic document feeder capacity
[13:23] <Hix> Standard, 50 sheets"
[13:23] <eroomde> yes, that's what i feared
[13:23] <adamgreig> no specific recommendations then but yea I think you are talking more money as soon as you want that kind of service
[13:23] <adamgreig> however there are probably some fairly acceptable workarounds if you have more time
[13:23] <eroomde> that you need some carbuncle of a bit of software working on a separate pc somewhere
[13:23] <eroomde> why must they be so shit
[13:23] <mattbrejza> none of them can scan and dump on a network share/ftp etc?
[13:23] <adamgreig> e.g. most of their things have a 'scan' button that can send a network event
[13:24] <Hix> my b&w HP has built in software that allows you to cinfigure it via IP address
[13:24] <adamgreig> and then xsane can can and email with a script
[13:24] <adamgreig> so it can be done, just.. ugh
[13:24] <adamgreig> my HP has a touch screen, document feed, duplexer, can scan to email or USB stick or dropbox, you can install apps for it from the HP app centre
[13:24] <adamgreig> but anything you scan to email goes over HP's server
[13:25] <adamgreig> CUED has a new amazing system from HP using uniflow which lets you scan to email properly
[13:25] <adamgreig> that said, new ubuntu (for example) comes with simple scan which lets you open software and click one button to scan all sheets in the doc feeder to a PDF
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[13:26] <eroomde> 13.10?
[13:26] <eroomde> what's your HP adamgreig?
[13:26] <eroomde> i am separately considering a printer at home
[13:26] <Hix> might be worth giving the guy who I got my ThinkPad from a shout, he buys company assets, might be able to point you in the direction of someone who could get you enterprise for very little money jw@edgeuk.net
[13:26] <eroomde> for which laserjet might be ok
[13:27] <adamgreig> mine is inkjet
[13:27] <eroomde> sorry typo
[13:27] <eroomde> i meant inkjet
[13:27] <adamgreig> HP Photosmart 7520
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[13:28] <adamgreig> mine's been lovely - very good print quality, works out of the box with ubuntu 12.04 and 13.10 at least, scanning works well, having a duplexer and ADF is very nice, and it makes noises like a spaceship when you insert paper to scan
[13:28] <adamgreig> wifi but no wired network
[13:28] <adamgreig> my dad got the same and has had some print quality issues with it, though
[13:29] <adamgreig> also I got it with a £100 cashback iirc
[13:29] <eroomde> it's only £110
[13:29] <eroomde> getting it with £100 cashback would be quite a steal
[13:29] <adamgreig> hmm correction
[13:29] <adamgreig> it was £130 and I got £50 cashback
[13:30] <eroomde> dcent quality photos?
[13:32] <adamgreig> yea
[13:32] <adamgreig> has a separate photo paper tray too
[13:32] <adamgreig> and quite fast at churning out text
[13:32] <eroomde> oh nice
[13:33] <eroomde> that could do me for the hypothetical home office
[13:33] <adamgreig> flatbed and ADF scans is a nice thing
[13:33] <adamgreig> and the touch screen is pretty sweet
[13:33] <eroomde> for which i must first aquire the home
[13:33] <adamgreig> hehe
[13:33] <adamgreig> and the lab/den/etc
[13:33] <adamgreig> the utility room in my new house has somehow grown an electronics desk
[13:33] <adamgreig> handily it has no smoke detector and forced ventilation
[13:34] <adamgreig> less handily you can't put your legs under the desk on account of the washing and drying machines
[13:34] <eroomde> details
[13:34] <adamgreig> exactly. s'what standing is for
[13:34] <eroomde> my home office will hopefully be an electronics lab too
[13:38] <adamgreig> someone used "promulgated" in an email
[13:38] <adamgreig> day made
[13:39] <adamgreig> http://yannesposito.com/Scratch/en/blog/Haskell-the-Hard-Way/
[13:40] <adamgreig> "Learn Haskell Fast and Hard"
[13:40] <adamgreig> shame the weekend is over already
[13:40] <fsphil> it's never long enough
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[13:40] <adamgreig> with section titles like "The Hard Part" and "Hell Difficulty Part"
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[13:43] <eroomde> :)
[13:44] <eroomde> so it looks like there's a gap
[13:44] <eroomde> take a normal multisheet scaner
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[13:44] <eroomde> attach pi to make it network-ready
[13:45] <adamgreig> or just use existing microserver over network
[13:45] <eroomde> or that
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[13:46] <eroomde> and then some kind of wee webapp that just glues a much of cli apps like sane and so on together to let you scan-to-email
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[13:46] <eroomde> or pop a link in the browser you can then download onto your machine
[13:46] <eroomde> or whatever
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[13:46] <adamgreig> you want to do it from the printer
[13:46] <adamgreig> walk up to printer, insert docs, press go
[13:46] <eroomde> yes i was getting there
[13:46] <eroomde> so
[13:46] <adamgreig> maybe it has a list of emails to send to
[13:46] <eroomde> you have a local nexus tablet
[13:47] <eroomde> nexus tablet + pi = ~ £100, which is ok
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[13:47] <eroomde> you just have the tablet tethered and next to the printer/scanner
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[13:48] <adamgreig> cute, could work
[13:48] <adamgreig> lot of time spent getting that to work reliably though
[13:49] <eroomde> yep i'm sure
[13:49] <eroomde> i just want a fully standalone network MFP really. why must they charge x10 for that
[13:49] <adamgreig> indeed
[13:50] <adamgreig> ugh, currently trying to set up the lab printer
[13:50] <adamgreig> there are like 30 printers discovered on the cups thing. but none have quite the right model number and idk where they are either
[13:50] <eroomde> why doesn't new it guy whose name escapes me do it?
[13:50] <eroomde> oh i see
[13:50] <eroomde> you're just trying to find it
[13:50] <adamgreig> he emailed me the IPs for the two in the lab
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[13:52] <eroomde> there exists pysane
[13:52] <eroomde> off to a good start
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[13:56] <adamgreig> oh well. time for lab talks instead.
[13:56] <eroomde> what's it today?
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[13:56] <mattbrejza> anyone know where i could buy a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-disc_display from?
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[13:59] <SpeedEvil> ebay
[14:00] <mattbrejza> couldnt find any :(
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> What for?
[14:00] <SiC-> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bus-Destination-Hanover-Flip-Dot-Display-x3-Deric-NOT-included-/251312903827?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CommercialVehicleParts_SM&hash=item3a836a9693
[14:00] <SiC-> expensive
[14:00] <mattbrejza> general arsing around
[14:01] <SiC-> I guess they are worth money as busses still use them
[14:01] <SiC-> spares
[14:01] <mattbrejza> hmm maybe not £400
[14:01] <mattbrejza> i wonder if theres a bus scrap yard near by :P
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> Cheaper to do a little CNC thingy with a servo.
[14:02] <mattbrejza> http://www.flipdots.com/flip-dot-boards-xy5-14x28.html#.UmUz_FCkrCd you can buy new but guessing not cheap
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[14:08] <Hix> mattbrejza nickjohnson on #hackvana was doing something with a flipdot a few weeks back, give him a ping, he's london based
[14:09] <eroomde> not in his soul he isn't
[14:10] <mattbrejza> http://www.distel.co.uk/asps/specials.asp want that clock :P
[14:10] <SiC-> I didn't know display electronics was still going
[14:11] <fsphil> ah, people still use asp
[14:13] <mattbrejza> this website is so bad...
[14:14] <Darkside> wow
[14:14] <Darkside> they are selling win 3.1
[14:15] <fsphil> hmm.. I've found an LED light that claims "No UV or Radiation"
[14:15] <Darkside> no radiation at all?!
[14:15] <fsphil> http://www.scan.co.uk/products/30w-emprex-btcli061780acw-6ft-led-tube-light-warm-white-60w-equivalent
[14:15] <Darkside> musnt be a vry good LED then :P
[14:16] <x-f> or broken
[14:16] <fsphil> on the plus side, it'll be very low power
[14:16] <fsphil> or a 30W heater
[14:16] <fsphil> no wait, even that's radiation
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[14:20] <Hix> Their use of CSS is really quite extravagant
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[14:27] <tweetBot> @adamcudworth: 'Behind the scenes' of Nike Air Max promotion (aka HABE 9) - http://t.co/LCEOjsLczr #UKHAS
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[14:35] <craag> cuddykid: Cool video, I like the time spent on showing the payload construction, most often people miss out that key and time-consuming part of it all.
[14:35] <fsphil> the bit many people want to forget :)
[14:36] <cuddykid> yeah - I love how they've made a whole day of work shrink down to a few seconds!
[14:37] <craag> Although no radio tracker construction :P
[14:37] <craag> But I'm guessing you have a couple of plug-in-and-go tracker boards by now.
[14:38] <Hix> are you now walking round in odd Ari Max 93's?
[14:38] <Hix> *Air
[14:38] <cuddykid> ha, they were firmly glued to those rods, no getting them off!
[14:38] <craag> lol
[14:38] <cuddykid> we were lucky that the weather turned out good
[14:38] <craag> so he's hopping around in them!
[14:40] <Hix> hot air them, pun intended
[14:41] <craag> well he certainly put a lot of effort into cold-airing them, that didn't work.
[14:41] <craag> Also no-airing them too
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[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> :-) http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest-News/2013/October/21/131021-HMS-Illustrious-launches-rare-bird
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[14:50] <adamgreig> eroomde: oh, I forgot how good hp's linux support is
[14:50] Nick change: Steve_G0TDJ_AFK -> Steve_G0TDJ
[14:50] <adamgreig> "hp-setup" found the network printers and added them fine. all done.
[14:50] <adamgreig> so easy
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[14:50] <SiC-> often on laser printers I find that a PCL6 driver usually works with most stuff
[14:51] <SiC-> even on non-hp printers
[14:51] <adamgreig> hp-setup just found the right driver it seems
[14:51] <fsphil> there was a brief moment a few years ago when all my printers just worked in linux -- seems to have gone backwards a bit since then
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[14:57] <nats`> hi
[14:58] <Hix> heh quality Geoff-G8DHE
[14:58] <eroomde> adamgreig, also, this printer 're looking at ( HP LaserJet Pro 400 colour MFP M475dn ) actually has an embedded web server
[14:58] <adamgreig> oh yea that's a cute thing
[14:58] <eroomde> from which stuff like outgoing email smtp can be configured
[14:58] <adamgreig> often you can scan from the web page
[14:58] <adamgreig> oh nice
[14:59] <eroomde> so it looks like it can be truly standalone
[14:59] <adamgreig> some of them are scan-from-web-page but IE only which is hugely upsetting
[14:59] <eroomde> and thus might be just the ticket
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[14:59] <adamgreig> someone wrote a python script to deal with those
[14:59] <eroomde> the touchscreen will be ok for me :)
[14:59] <eroomde> also, a nice surprise
[14:59] <eroomde> amazon sent me the wrong thing
[15:00] <Steve_G0TDJ> ping UpuWork
[15:00] <eroomde> in such situations i generally assume you are f*cked and will have to go through some torturous online purchase to inform amazon of this
[15:00] <eroomde> however i asked to get called in some web form
[15:00] <eroomde> about 15s later the phone rang
[15:00] <eroomde> i explained the problem, she refunded me instantly, sent my a pre-payed postage label to stick on the item to return it, and ordered me a new one
[15:01] <adamgreig> amazon have always been very good when I get the wrong thing or things don't arrive. which is also incredibly rare.
[15:01] <eroomde> it was super
[15:01] <adamgreig> always nice when that happens
[15:01] <fsphil> I've had bits missing from amazon orders, which a lot of places would argue about
[15:01] <fsphil> they replaced it without question
[15:02] <eroomde> it's good
[15:02] <eroomde> going to put 8GB of ram in my x201
[15:02] <eroomde> they only sent me 1 4GB stick
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[15:04] <eroomde> i might tentatively try and run cad in a vm on it
[15:04] <eroomde> though i fear the gods might punish me for such optimism
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[15:05] <nats`> the gods will punish for the GPU part I think :p
[15:06] <eroomde> well, i've run it ok on a pc without virtualbox's 'experimental' 3d support
[15:06] <eroomde> the pc is a lot more powerful though
[15:10] <UpuWork> hi Steve_G0TDJ
[15:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hi Anthony, I'll PM
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[15:13] <SiC-> it didn't go too well then Steve_G0TDJ
[15:13] <SiC-> :o
[15:13] <SiC-> I saw the email chain
[15:13] <SiC-> lol
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[15:15] <ibanezmatt13> On the atmega328p-au, if you had to pass the pin number of the SCL and SDA line to a function, what would those numbers be?
[15:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> SiC-: No, up and down really
[15:15] <fsphil> it'll be in the datasheet ibanezmatt13
[15:15] <SiC-> did you determin the cause?
[15:15] <SiC-> leaky envelope?
[15:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> RAIN! :-)
[15:16] <SiC-> ah lol
[15:16] <SiC-> good ol' rain :(
[15:16] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardNano From this, it says SDA is 4, SCL is 5. But I don't think it is
[15:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah, just badly timed. It was a great day though.
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[15:16] <SiC-> I guess it "stuck" onto the balloon and weighed it down
[15:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hoping to re-launch soon
[15:16] <Steve_G0TDJ> Yeah
[15:16] <SiC-> never really thought about that problem tbh
[15:16] <SiC-> makes sense now
[15:17] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: http://www.atmel.com/Images/doc8161.pdf
[15:17] <fsphil> page 2
[15:17] <fsphil> the PDIP image
[15:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Well. I learned a lesson but saying that, I would still do it today if I could, it was so much fun
[15:17] <eroomde> gonzo_, are you anything to do with ESF?
[15:17] <SiC-> what did you go for, a pico or a standard sized?
[15:17] <eroomde> if the q means nothing to you then the answer is no, probably :)
[15:17] <Steve_G0TDJ> Pico for starters
[15:19] <Steve_G0TDJ> Sorry SiC- I have to AFK for a bit - Be back later on :-)
[15:19] <SiC-> np
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[15:21] <malgar> Upu: ping
[15:21] <malgar> UpuWork: ping
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[15:23] <Steve_G0TDJ> malgar: UpuWork very busy right now
[15:24] <gonzo_> eroomde, nope.
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[15:25] <malgar> how do you know this Steve_G0TDJ ? :P
[15:26] <fsphil> it's all his fault
[15:26] <Steve_G0TDJ> He told me via PM
[15:28] <malgar> I would like to know how to merge two orders on hab store. The addres is the same. UpuWork told me that is possible
[15:28] <eroomde> b2c over irc
[15:28] <eroomde> a noose
[15:31] <adamgreig> need a bigger ipython cluster
[15:31] <adamgreig> but am now a fan of ipython cluster
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[15:32] <adamgreig> unfortunately doesn't work so well when all eight of my workers need to generate memory-filling amounts of random numbers
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[15:39] <eroomde> you'll need to do a proper intro to your tecniaues
[15:39] <eroomde> as a blog or something
[15:39] <eroomde> at the moment i am just imagining that you compress shakespear by having lots of monkeys hopefully having typed short sections of shakespear
[15:40] <fsphil> very tiny monkeys
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[15:41] <adamgreig> that seems to pretty much be the idea
[15:41] <adamgreig> and then you remember which monkeys were good
[15:41] <adamgreig> and just store their IDs
[15:41] <adamgreig> later, to decompress, you ask those specific monkeys to type again
[15:41] <adamgreig> will do a blog though I think
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[15:42] <eroomde> yes that makes sense to me
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[15:43] <adamgreig> though to refine the analogy it's more like one monkey types a good outline of shakespear and the next monkey fills in some of the details and the next monkey adds some character descriptions and so on
[15:43] <adamgreig> the Nth monkey is mostly putting in frankly over the top amounts of adjectives
[15:43] <eroomde> so space of monkeys is much smaller if you can accept that the monkeys just have to be close enough rather than spot on
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[15:43] <adamgreig> right
[15:43] <adamgreig> in the original according to shannon, you had a whole lot of monkeys and just pick the single best monkey and remember their ID
[15:44] <eroomde> ah righty, so sort of tree-like?
[15:44] <adamgreig> with this, you have lots of sequential monkeys, and pick the best at each stage, so can have a decent decrease in monkey space
[15:44] <adamgreig> sequential rather than tree
[15:44] <eroomde> in as much a you have overview monkeys and you make the tree as deep as you need for a given reproduction accuracy?
[15:44] <eroomde> ah ok
[15:44] <adamgreig> you have like, many rooms of monkeys
[15:44] <adamgreig> each room is a bit like one of shannon's rooms
[15:44] <adamgreig> but is trying to encode the sequential extra details left behind from the previous room, instead of the whole thing
[15:45] <adamgreig> and you visit the rooms one at a time
[15:45] <adamgreig> with the progress from the previous room
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[15:45] <adamgreig> the number of rooms is a function of how much you cba. and also to some extent how much error you can tolerate
[15:45] <adamgreig> and I guess how many land you own for rooms full of monkeys
[15:46] <qyx_> wut
[15:46] <qyx_> progressive image compression?
[15:46] <fsphil> you need to feed and water them too
[15:46] <chrisstubbs> sounds like how microsoft made vista
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[15:46] <eroomde> what dictates how many monkeys you have in each room?
[15:46] <eroomde> vs how many rooms?
[15:46] <adamgreig> qyx_: no though it is a sense of progressiveness
[15:46] <fsphil> I've really no idea what this is about
[15:46] <fsphil> other than monkeys
[15:47] <adamgreig> eroomde: to achieve useful statistics you tend to have the square or cube of the number of rooms in monkeys in each room
[15:47] <eroomde> ok
[15:47] <fsphil> shakespear was a monkey?
[15:47] <eroomde> i need that blog post
[15:47] <adamgreig> the higher the exponent the more monkeys you need but the better the odds of one of them being good
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[15:47] <adamgreig> but it wants to be some power of the number of rooms
[15:47] <adamgreig> indeed. need to draw a little comic perhaps
[15:48] <eroomde> or at least i should work through that notebook you sent me
[15:48] <adamgreig> and maybe a more toy example
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> Someone needs to contact the Zoo, to tell them about this additional source of funding.
[15:48] <adamgreig> the notebook has some maths but it's probably not the most descriptive thing ever. there is the actual paper if you were particularly interested I guess
[15:48] <fsphil> I'm willing to play a part in the live action adaptation of Shakespear Monkey Rooms
[15:48] <eroomde> if you have the paper, i'd be interested
[15:48] <adamgreig> fsphil: wv, you can clean up the rooms ;)
[15:49] <fsphil> aww, I wanted to be the mad scientist who thought this was a good plan
[15:49] <adamgreig> http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~rv285/itw13_sparc.pdf is a short theoretical overview. http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.1707 details the use as source codes and the algorithm I've implemented. the original invention is at http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.2406
[15:50] <adamgreig> you'll note the distortion vs rate chart from p12 of that second paper is very similar to my result
[15:50] <eroomde> dl'd
[15:50] <eroomde> will have to save it for later
[15:51] <adamgreig> it's kind of cute
[15:51] <adamgreig> yet to see how practical it is to have a codebook that might be like 4GB and is required to decode your compressed data
[15:51] <adamgreig> but obviously in some situations that is fine
[15:51] <adamgreig> especially a 4GB codebook of random numbers, because you can't exactly zip that up
[15:52] <eroomde> that'd be a good thesis if you could
[15:52] <adamgreig> but it is pleasingly similar to shannon's original (exponential complexity/storage) theoretical proposal
[15:52] <adamgreig> haha yea it would
[15:52] <adamgreig> actually I spoke to bill recently
[15:52] <adamgreig> think I mentioned. he might be trying to shift me back to bayes
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[15:52] <eroomde> in what way?
[15:52] <adamgreig> back to changepoint decoding in fact, but with some cool twists
[15:52] <eroomde> what are the twists?
[15:52] <eroomde> if you can say
[15:52] <adamgreig> not sure yet
[15:53] <adamgreig> think he wants to consider commercialising too, spinoff style
[15:53] <adamgreig> his friend (you will know him) has a lot of money looking for startups atm apparently
[15:53] <eroomde> when we talked about it one enthusiastic cup of tea several years ago he started talking about generalising it to alpha-stable noise models
[15:53] <adamgreig> so, will see
[15:53] <eroomde> i know him?
[15:53] <adamgreig> he seems to really like this idea and is sure it could work and no one else has done it
[15:53] <adamgreig> will have heard of them anyway :P
[15:53] <eroomde> HH?
[15:54] <adamgreig> not sure how it'l interact with my actual PhD though
[15:54] <adamgreig> no
[15:54] <eroomde> can you pm me the name? I promise i have no commercial interest in this. just intrigued :)
[15:55] <adamgreig> so I'm told there is some money around :P
[15:57] <Laurenceb> oh wow
[15:57] <Laurenceb> http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Z66.jpg
[15:57] <Laurenceb> falcon 9 v1.1 "landing"
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> Interesting
[15:59] <Laurenceb> looks pretty good
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> I'd really love to know the trajectory design.
[16:03] <eroomde> i thought it broke apart
[16:03] <eroomde> they lost roll control
[16:03] <Laurenceb> yes
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[16:03] <DL1SGP1> I generally like fireballs :)
[16:03] <Laurenceb> but that doesnt look as bad as i expected
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> Is it as simple as 'burn in about the right direction to enter in the right place' 'relight engines at entry, till you get down to where the stagnation temperature is lower than 500C' 'relight 10s before impact'
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: they as I understand it had a flameout shortly after ignition due to roll control issues on the third reignition
[16:05] <eroomde> does the stagnation temperature matter when you're coming down end-first with a lit rocket engine?
[16:05] <eroomde> i'd have thought shock interations would be the driving thing
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: Once you turn the rocket engine off, you're exposed to the airstream
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> And bits of the rocket you don't want heated may get heated
[16:05] <eroomde> i can't really see this being an issue for a first stage
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps not.
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> Max Q may be more of an issue
[16:06] <eroomde> everything down that end should be able to cope with the stagnation temps
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> Question is how stable is it if just falling ballistically
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[16:06] <eroomde> moderately - engine is heavy
[16:06] <eroomde> tanks are light
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[16:07] <eroomde> so the relationship between CoG and CoP should be about right, subsonically
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> I did idly wonder if intentionally falling 'sideways' to a degree may be useful crossrange wise
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> But that causes massively increased stress.
[16:08] <eroomde> i'm unsure but i've often thought it a sensible way of recovery
[16:08] <Laurenceb> aiui spacex explored that idea
[16:08] <eroomde> because your drag is vastly higher that way
[16:08] <Laurenceb> and decided it was too heavy
[16:08] <eroomde> for souding rocket epxeirments and stuff
[16:08] <Laurenceb> due to structural reinforcements
[16:08] <eroomde> vs a drogue chute
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> I mean as a 'proper' rocket - without wings - using the engines gimbaled hard over to push the rocket over
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> From base-down
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Not something you want to try I guess if you can avoid it.
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[16:09] <Laurenceb> lots of people have looked at balloots
[16:09] <Laurenceb> or whatever they are called
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> I looked at them once.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Then I put my trousers back on.
[16:09] <eroomde> ballutes
[16:10] <Laurenceb> aiui spacex wanted to stick one on the bottom
[16:10] <Laurenceb> to make it fall sideways
[16:10] <Laurenceb> then steer it as a very bad glider
[16:10] <Laurenceb> but this ended up horribly heavy
[16:10] <eroomde> it would certainly be that
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[16:12] <SpeedEvil> The issue of fuel use becomes less important with falcon heavy. As shortly after a launch - you launch three 'bare' stages, that fly up and crossfeed fuel to the landing stages.
[16:13] <WillTablet> Hi
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[16:15] <eroomde> it's a lot better, mass-fraction-wise, to burn the outer two and get rid of their dry mass asap
[16:15] <Laurenceb> hmm i was wondering this
[16:15] <eroomde> and then carry on with a full middle stage
[16:16] <Laurenceb> i see
[16:16] <Laurenceb> i was wondering how cross feed helped
[16:16] <eroomde> it does
[16:16] <eroomde> it's used
[16:16] <eroomde> used often*
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[16:22] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: yes - I was being silly - I was meaning after each of the three stages detach/stage once finished - they are then docked with from the ground with a fresh stage, and go on to land.
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> And crossfeed does seem to help quite a lot.
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[16:40] <arko> morning
[16:40] <mattbrejza> great use of units on hte mailing list :P
[16:41] <malgar> Upu: ping
[16:41] <malgar> UpuWork: ping
[16:41] <Upu> pong
[16:42] <arko> i vote renaming SPUD to BANGERS
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[16:43] <eroomde> maybe MASH in honour of how well i'm sure it'll land
[16:43] <arko> haha
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[16:44] <daveake> There may be a reason for the naming :p
[16:45] <arko> is it going to be playing this on the way down? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlkxcC79LA8
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[16:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All
[16:46] <arko> evening
[16:46] <daveake> hah
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[16:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> no signs of life from my PICO :-( it should be still running
[16:48] <arko> solar?
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[16:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> no, RTG ;-)
[16:49] <eroomde> I heard there's a compound in potatoes that bleacHes tongues.
[16:49] <eroomde> bleachs*
[16:49] <eroomde> bleaches*
[16:49] <arko> haha
[16:49] <arko> who's bleaches?
[16:49] <eroomde> bleach
[16:49] <eroomde> as in, oxiding
[16:50] <arko> :) im kidding
[16:50] <eroomde> i give up with typing
[16:50] <arko> hah
[16:50] <arko> reminds me that its coffee time
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[16:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: my last pico was running 45 hours :-) Now I have more agressive power saving and it is clocked 4 MHz
[16:51] <arko> nice!
[16:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> instead of 8
[16:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> anyway microchip XLP is amazing
[16:51] <eroomde> the buffer between brain and fingers totally overflows the whole time
[16:51] <eroomde> i must learn to touchtype
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[16:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> eroomde: ... i have just one layer more in stack... i have to translate to english ;-)
[16:53] <eroomde> i couldn't manage that
[16:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have to switch to thinking in english :-)
[16:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> it happens naturally after 2-3 days in UK
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[16:54] <eroomde> does food taste different too?
[16:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> eroomde: hmmm... i dont know... english food have no taste at all
[16:54] <eroomde> :p
[16:55] <arko> false
[16:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> eroomde: You should try some polish food :-)
[16:55] <arko> tom clearly has not gone to st. johns
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[16:56] <eroomde> i thought you might pipe up
[16:56] <eroomde> i have had polish food!
[16:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> italian food are also delicious :-)
[16:56] <eroomde> there are a few polish restaurants in the UK now
[16:56] <arko> food in the uk was great
[16:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> eroomde: yes it was called polish invasion ;-)
[16:56] <eroomde> i learned that it's not all vodka and cabbage
[16:56] <arko> especially the indian food :P
[16:57] <arko> :( how i miss curry
[16:57] <arko> i should eat some tomorrow
[16:58] <eroomde> i do like that curry place went went to
[16:58] <eroomde> actually we wen twice ddn't we?
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[16:58] <eroomde> one with laura and andy and one with james
[16:58] <arko> yes!
[16:58] <arko> i like the place we went to with james
[16:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: what is st. jons ?
[16:58] <arko> the one with laura and andy was good too
[16:58] <eroomde> it's a restaurant in london
[16:59] <eroomde> english food
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[16:59] <arko> done damn right too
[16:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> eroomde: where?
[16:59] <arko> best meal ever
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[16:59] <eroomde> it's one of my favourite restaurants
[16:59] <eroomde> SP9UOB-Tom, Smithfield
[16:59] <eroomde> near the meat market
[16:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> eroomde: well, in my next visit, im surely go there :-)
[17:00] <eroomde> do!
[17:00] <eroomde> you'll have to book ahead
[17:00] <eroomde> a week or so
[17:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> any webpage ?
[17:00] <eroomde> thousands dedicated to it
[17:00] <arko> oddly enough, i had some good burgers in the uk too
[17:00] <eroomde> https://www.stjohngroup.uk.com/smithfield/
[17:00] <arko> but nothing could fill the void that innout left
[17:01] <eroomde> take a look at the menu
[17:01] <eroomde> it's very simple english stuff
[17:01] <eroomde> but very good
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[17:01] <arko> its has "flavour"
[17:01] <eroomde> eg as a start you can (and i highly recommend you do) have Bone Marrow and Parsely Salad with toast
[17:01] <arko> ^^^^^
[17:01] <eroomde> and as a main, ox heart and chips
[17:01] <arko> yes
[17:01] <arko> all of that
[17:01] <arko> wine
[17:02] <eroomde> and as a pudding, i dunno, something like an eccles cake
[17:02] <eroomde> and yes, a nice bottle of french wine to go with
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[17:02] <eroomde> i can recommend particular bottles ;)
[17:02] <arko> haha
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[17:02] <DL1SGP> :D
[17:02] <arko> we are so going there next year again
[17:03] <eroomde> i never need an excuse
[17:03] <arko> haha
[17:03] <eroomde> i do however need a headsup financially :)
[17:03] <arko> yes!
[17:03] <eroomde> i'll just subsist on rice in the week before
[17:03] <arko> haha, $0.50 ramen
[17:04] <arko> crazy college kids
[17:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> well fairly expensive, as compared to polish salary
[17:04] <arko> i never understood that crappy stuff
[17:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> but i must try :-)
[17:04] <eroomde> as compared to english salaries too
[17:04] <arko> the UK is expensive :/
[17:04] <eroomde> it was voted the 14th best restaurant in the world
[17:04] <arko> damn them paying you well
[17:04] <eroomde> it's definitely a treat rather than a neighbourhood restaurant
[17:04] <arko> whats a top resturant in los angeles?
[17:05] <eroomde> you tell me
[17:05] <arko> vOv
[17:05] <arko> where is this list?
[17:05] <arko> who voted?
[17:05] <arko> im sure la has good food
[17:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> arko: im paying myself ;-)
[17:06] <arko> haha
[17:06] <arko> thats rough
[17:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> Im founder of my Ltd.
[17:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-)
[17:06] <arko> eroomde: i'll find some good resturants here before you visit again
[17:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> which is telecom operator
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[17:06] <arko> oh cool
[17:06] <eroomde> arko, awesome
[17:06] <arko> ok
[17:07] <arko> coffee time
[17:07] <eroomde> i had a coffee on saturday
[17:07] <eroomde> i was weak
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[17:33] <arko> eroomde: haha
[17:34] <arko> its too good to resist
[17:34] <eroomde> 1 cup a week instead of like 70 is still an improvement
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[17:35] <arko> haha
[17:35] <arko> true
[17:35] <arko> i found 1 coffee in the morning is usually enough for the day
[17:36] <arko> its not too much where my heart goes crazy, and not too little where it does nothing
[17:36] <arko> leaves the rest of the day open in case you need a boost in the day
[17:37] <eroomde> i'm quite enjoying not being dependant
[17:38] <eroomde> although it's made breakfast much less exciting for me
[17:38] <arko> oh crap, are you suppose to preheat the french press?
[17:38] <eroomde> nope
[17:38] <arko> haha
[17:38] <arko> ok cool, it's pyrex right?
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[17:38] <eroomde> i used to love the ritual of breakfast
[17:38] <eroomde> toast, coffee, radio 4
[17:38] <arko> :)
[17:38] <arko> i love this french press so much
[17:38] <arko> i like the pressing part
[17:38] <eroomde> it's, I think, the right way to do coffee
[17:38] <eroomde> i don't understand why people filter
[17:38] <eroomde> the oils are good
[17:38] <arko> exactly!
[17:39] <arko> tastes so good
[17:39] <arko> huge difference
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[17:39] <eroomde> much less thin and acidic
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[17:40] <arko> i found a really good coffee at Jones
[17:40] Action: bertrik is not that picky about coffee
[17:41] <arko> http://www.thebestcoffee.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=27_79&products_id=102
[17:41] <arko> its good stuff
[17:41] <arko> the description isn't all that great
[17:41] <bertrik> as long as the beans are fresh, not too strong or weak, it's ok for me
[17:42] <eroomde> once you find a good one, it's a happy thing
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[17:46] <LeoBodnar> What's a French press? Is it a cafetiere?
[17:47] <eroomde> yes
[17:47] <eroomde> if you're american
[17:47] <bertrik> then it's called a "freedom press" :)
[17:47] Action: arko sheds a patriotic tear
[17:48] <LeoBodnar> I thought it is some sort of trouser press
[17:48] <arko> haha
[17:48] <LeoBodnar> pants press for you yanks
[17:48] <arko> :)
[17:48] <arko> i have learned the ways of "trousers"
[17:49] <eroomde> there were a few false starts
[17:49] <eroomde> trying to get both legs down one trouser-leg
[17:49] <eroomde> but you're proficcient now
[17:50] <arko> lol
[17:50] <LeoBodnar> go kilts arko
[17:50] <arko> hah!
[17:50] <arko> i shall travel to scotland
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[17:51] <arko> i just realized there arent may towers in scotland
[17:51] <arko> for spacenear
[17:52] <eroomde> towers cost money
[17:52] <LeoBodnar> There was one recently
[17:52] <arko> well "towers"
[17:52] <arko> not actual towers
[17:52] <arko> like radio setups
[17:52] <eroomde> radio setups cost money
[17:52] <LeoBodnar> fawlty towers?
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> arko: I keep meaning to set one up. health issues slow everything down.
[17:55] <arko> awww
[17:55] <arko> thats sucks
[17:56] <fsphil> I can pretend to be scottish a few weekends of the year
[17:56] <fsphil> setup a tower
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[17:57] <arko> haha
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[17:58] <fsphil> won't wear a kilt though
[17:58] <fsphil> haggis maybe
[17:58] <arko> ew
[17:58] <arko> haggis is terrible
[17:58] <LeoBodnar> Please don't wear haggis
[17:58] <fsphil> lol
[17:58] <arko> lol
[17:58] <fsphil> it's not too bad
[17:58] <fsphil> nice on toast
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[18:00] <LeoBodnar> If you don't know what haggis is made of it's OK
[18:01] <mfa298> that's true of various foods
[18:01] <LeoBodnar> And people in general too
[18:02] <eroomde> and laws
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[18:02] <mfa298> I don't plan on eating people so that's less of people
[18:03] <eroomde> less of a problem?
[18:03] <fsphil> but you're made of people
[18:03] <mfa298> that as well
[18:03] <fsphil> well, a person anyway
[18:03] <arko> i saw it on How it's made
[18:03] <arko> terrible
[18:03] <eroomde> arko, have you seen The Secret Life Of Machines?
[18:03] <arko> ?
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[18:03] <arko> nope
[18:03] <eroomde> ok
[18:03] <mfa298> I'd just seen what I'd written and saw it didn't make sense
[18:03] <eroomde> go and search for that on youtube
[18:04] <eroomde> an amazing british TV series from a time when fashion was fashion and men were men
[18:04] <arko> ohh
[18:04] <arko> nice
[18:04] <LeoBodnar> makes sense to me
[18:04] <arko> i'll check it out
[18:04] <arko> found the wiki page
[18:04] <eroomde> it's brilliant
[18:04] <eroomde> all the cartoons are doen by the presenter
[18:04] <LeoBodnar> You have assumed it will be read by a human and it worked
[18:04] <arko> ohh
[18:04] <arko> cool
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[18:15] <mikestir> I love the secret life of machines - especially because they have absolutely no production values whatsoever!
[18:15] <eroomde> exactly
[18:15] <mikestir> you'd just never get something like that these days
[18:15] <eroomde> all the budget went on nice demos
[18:16] <mikestir> you can download the whole lot of all three series as a torrent
[18:16] <mikestir> tim hunkin actually advocates that you do so
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[18:18] <fsphil> ah, Rex Garrod from Robot Wars
[18:18] <eroomde> yes him
[18:18] <eroomde> the man the legend
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[18:19] <fsphil> I shall have to download
[18:19] <fsphil> never seen it before
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[18:20] <arko> http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1ow7mi/i_was_born_in_england_but_moved_to_scotland_when/
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[18:22] <fsphil> lol
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[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:39] <WillTablet> PCBs still not arrived :-(
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[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
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[18:49] <mclane> hello Lunar_Lander
[18:50] <mclane> alles im Griff?
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[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> ja
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> und bei dir?
[18:54] <mclane> wir schauen gerade, ob wir in diesem Jahr noch einen Start hinbekommen..
[18:55] <mclane> otherwise I am waiting to receive the new NTX2b from upu soon ;-)
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[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> my electrometer still fails :(
[19:03] <mclane> during winter I want to experiment with a RasPi based tracker
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:03] <mclane> including the RasPi camera (much better then my Linksprite!)
[19:04] <fsphil> isn't it just
[19:04] <fsphil> cheaper too
[19:05] <mclane> I dont remember
[19:05] <mclane> difference is not that high
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> my electrometer still fails :(
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[19:58] <chrisstubbs> WillTablet, did you get the $3 tracked postage?
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[20:03] <WillTablet> chrisstubbs yeah
[20:03] <WillTablet> Didn't know it was tracked
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> http://www.batterypitstop.co.uk/9/439/varta-professional-deep-cycle-marine-battery/
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> deep cycle batteries are cheap
[20:08] <chrisstubbs> i think so
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[20:10] <LeoBodnar> as in full discharge?
[20:10] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: deep cycle lead acid
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[20:11] <LeoBodnar> hmm
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[20:12] <Laurenceb_> not very applicable to picoballooning :P
[20:12] <LeoBodnar> Reliable tie-dwon
[20:12] <Laurenceb_> i was just vaguely wondering why beacon power went bust
[20:12] <Laurenceb_> haha
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[20:12] <ramm25> A5< ?@825B
[20:12] <Laurenceb_> nothing else makes sense for grid storage when lead acid is so cheap
[20:13] <DL1SGP> Hello ramm25
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[20:14] <ramm25> DL1SGP, @825B. =5 ?>4A:065HL, GB> =C6=> A45;0BL, GB>1 =0 :0@B5 B@5:5@0 ?>O28;0AL <>O AB0=F8O?
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> APRSman argues the best secondary energy storage is grid itself and I sort of see his point http://www.aprs.org/off-grid-maybe.html
[20:15] <fsphil> I'm using the grid as a battery atm :)
[20:15] <fsphil> sucks during a power cut though
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> ramm25: 225AB8 A2>5 8<O 8 :>>@48=0BK 2 GPS D>@<0B5
[20:15] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, ?@825B, 0 :C40 8E =C6=> 22>48BL-B>?
[20:15] <fsphil> are you typing that on a UK keyboard LeoBodnar?
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:location2.jpeg?cache=&w=534&h=415
[20:16] <ve6ts> has anyone used attiny chips using atmel studio and created a tone with PWM before? i cannot for the life of me make any sound except if i bit bang. i've even tried the dtmf example right from amtel, and it doesn't compile on their own compiler.
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> yes fsphil
[20:16] <fsphil> ah, just changed the locale and typing from memory?
[20:16] <ramm25> 030, ?>GB8 ?>=O;, 1C4C @0718@0BLAO, A?0A81>
[20:16] <fsphil> not a good sign ve6ts
[20:17] <fsphil> I've not used an attiny in years
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> yes I have quick layout change shortcut
[20:17] <ve6ts> fsphil i know, it works well if i just use loops and sleep, but i want to use the hardware pwm
[20:17] <Laurenceb_> interesting link
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> :>>@48=0BK 4>;6=K 1KBL 2 45AOB8G=KE 3@04CA0E B5 1 3@04CA 30 <8=CB = 1.50
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[20:18] <fsphil> ve6ts: have you a link to the source you've tried that didn't produce any output?
[20:19] <ve6ts> fsphil not at the moment, it is on another computer at home, that is currently off
[20:19] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, 030, BCB 5I5 ?@>3@0<<C =C6=> CAB0=02;820BL, =5 2A5 B0: ?@>AB>
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[20:20] <ve6ts> fsphil, all i really need is a sample that can produce 1 tone at a given frequency, the rest i can do
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> 2845;8 MBC AB@0=8G:C ? http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide:russian
[20:20] <DL1SGP> / 286C AB0=F8N 2 45Aa, ramm25
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[20:21] <ramm25> DL1SGP, 345? O 5I5 =8G53> =5 A45;0;
[20:22] <DL1SGP> >72>=8B5 BOLT 23 G0A>2 =0704
[20:22] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, <40, 2>B 87CG0N. BCB 157 AB0 3@0<< =5 @07>1@0BLAO
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[20:23] <LeoBodnar> ?>=O;, =0;820N
[20:23] <arko> woah
[20:23] <DL1SGP> sup arko?
[20:23] <arko> i dont think i have the russian lang package
[20:24] <arko> all the words are D1/4DDDuN
[20:24] <DL1SGP> woah!
[20:24] <arko> :P
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[20:24] <fsphil> surprisingly just works on weechat
[20:24] <fsphil> yay utf8
[20:24] <ramm25> DL1SGP O 2845; >;B0, => >= ?@>?0;
[20:24] <fsphil> at least, I assume it works
[20:24] <fsphil> I can't read it to be sure :)
[20:25] <arko> haha
[20:25] <LeoBodnar> lol arko does this look like a rake: (
[20:27] <arko> LeoBodnar: http://i.imgur.com/TjGq9pz.png
[20:27] <fsphil> hah
[20:28] <DL1SGP> ramm25: / =5 <>3C 2845BL BOLT. K AB0=F8N A ?>7K2=K< BOLT?
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[20:29] <ramm25> DL1SGP, =5B, MB> =5 O. 2G5@0 8;8 5I5 @0=LH5 O 2845; =0 :0@B5 MBC AB0=F8N. O A59G0A ?@>1CN A45;0BL A2>N.
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> arko: You prolly need to switch browser text encoding to Cyrillic but you did not miss much :D
[20:31] <arko> yeah
[20:31] <arko> haha
[20:32] <DL1SGP> ramm25: Ok, =5>1E>48<> CAB0=>28BL ?@>3@0<<=>5 >15A?5G5=85 8 >15A?5G8BL ?@028;L=K5 :>>@48=0BK. http://mapcoordinates.net
[20:34] <ramm25> DL1SGP? i'm read faq right now
[20:35] <DL1SGP> great ramm25
[20:35] <ramm25> arko? ?@825B :0: 45;0
[20:36] <fsphil> haha
[20:37] <arko> huh?
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[20:37] <DL1SGP> ?@825B :0: 45;0 --> hello how are you?
[20:38] <LeoBodnar> Have you switched the page yet? :D
[20:38] <fsphil> I had a similar moment when someone asked me something in French one time
[20:38] <ramm25> arko, do you speak russ?
[20:38] <fsphil> I can't speak French, and forgot how to speak English too
[20:38] <fsphil> "waa?!"
[20:39] <arko> / E>@>H>
[20:39] <arko> :)
[20:39] <arko> / B>;L:> GB> C7=0; >AA88 70 10 <8=CB
[20:40] <ramm25> arko, translate by Google?))
[20:40] <LeoBodnar> lol
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> I like this
[20:41] <arko> , 2K ?>9<0;8 <5=O
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[20:41] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: have I given you a link to a chap explaining LiFePo4 chemistry in a ~ 40min session with battery designers?
[20:42] Action: arko is interested too
[20:42] <LeoBodnar> Can't find it... He runs his own research company that created cheap non-toxic grid storage batteries
[20:42] <ramm25> arko i'm also use google
[20:42] <ramm25> some times
[20:42] <DL1SGP> non-toxic? non-radiating? ... boring :)
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> can't find the link when you need one
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb: ^^^
[20:47] <arko> LeoBodnar: finding super small LiFePo4 batteries is tough :/
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> i dont think so
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> sorry
[20:48] <LeoBodnar> arko: the smallest DL7AD has found is 15 grams and it tested complete crap in cold
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> worse than regular LiPo
[20:49] <arko> damn
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb: http://www.ri.cmu.edu/video_view.html?menu_id=387&video_id=60 good video
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[20:49] <arko> i was hoping other LiFePO4's would be like the ultimates
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> ah ive seen it before lol
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> i forgot :P
[20:50] <LeoBodnar> He made a good case presentation on TED: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaMuxB4s5qI
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> These batteries might be dud ones, I am a bit surprised there is just one company selling them arko
[20:51] <arko> ah
[20:51] <arko> whats the chemistry youve been using on the last few B's?
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> http://shop.lipopower.de/LiNANOZ-400mAh-32V-LiFePo-Einzel-Zelle-SL-FHC-20C
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> Regular LiPo
[20:52] <arko> ah
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> Down to -40C they work OK if you account for higher ESR
[20:52] <arko> ahh
[20:52] <arko> wow thats good
[20:53] <arko> i was expecting a range above -20
[20:53] <LeoBodnar> So don't expect them to charge/discharge at 1C but 0.2C charge and 0.1C discharge are fine (from what we see)
[20:53] <arko> hmm
[20:53] <arko> interesting
[20:54] <LeoBodnar> Down to -40C http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-14/3.png
[20:54] <arko> wow
[20:54] <arko> thats great
[20:54] <ramm25>  2>B 2>?@>A: =0 :0:>9 G0AB>B5 @01>B0NB <5B5>7>=4K??
[20:54] <LeoBodnar> 400-something MHz
[20:55] <Upu> yeah 400-404Mhz ish
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> http://radiosonde.eu/
[20:57] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, O =5 ?@028;L=> 7040; 2>?@>A, =0 :0:>9 G0AB>B5 @01>B0NB 20H8 H0@8:8?
[20:57] <Upu> Leo's balls work on 434.500Mhz
[20:57] Action: Upu straight face
[20:57] <LeoBodnar> Hahaha
[20:58] <LeoBodnar>  =3;88 =5 @07@5H05BAO @01>B0 ;N18B5;LA:>9 0??0@0BC@K =0 2>74CH=KE A@54AB20E
[20:58] <ramm25> 1;8=, C =0A 2 C:@08=5 434 ?>;=>ABLN 70A@0= A83=0;870F8O<8
[20:58] <LeoBodnar> ?>MB><C <K ?>;L7C5<AO CAB@>9AB20<8 =5 B@51CNI8<8 ;8F5=788
[20:59] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, =5 =C MB> ?>=OB=>
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[20:59] <LeoBodnar> 434F @07@5H05B ?5@540GC 4> 10<B 8 4> 100% duty-ratio 701K; :0: ?>-@CAA:8
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[21:00] <ramm25> 5A;8 <=5 A;548BL 70 H0@8:>< - =0 :0:>9 G0AB>B5 A;CH0BL. ?>;CG05BAO GB> =0 434500?
[21:00] <LeoBodnar> 40
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[21:00] <ramm25> ?@>B>:>; - B5;5B09??
[21:00] <LeoBodnar> ?>;O:8 8A?>;L7CNB  G0AB>BK 436-437
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[21:01] <ramm25> 030, ?>=O;
[21:01] <LeoBodnar> :B>-:0:, RTTY 8;8 DominoEX
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[21:01] <arko> ara?
[21:01] <ramm25> 030, 2 ?@>3@0<<5 2A5 CGB5=>
[21:02] <arko> ???
[21:02] <arko> sorry?
[21:02] <LeoBodnar> 030 = a-ha!
[21:02] <arko> aha!
[21:02] <arko> thats my name :)
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[21:03] <LeoBodnar> :D
[21:03] <LeoBodnar> Oh, I got full licence through
[21:03] <Upu> passed ?
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Yep
[21:04] <Upu> congrats :)
[21:04] <Upu> got a call sign yet ?
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Cheers!
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Not, yet , all sane ones are taken
[21:04] <Upu> M0BOD ?
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Taken
[21:04] <Upu> M0LEO ?
[21:04] <arko> M434500
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Too
[21:05] <arko> yeah, not possible
[21:05] <Upu> M0BBB :)
[21:05] <DL1SGP> M0HAB ?
[21:05] <LeoBodnar> M0SKY M0FLY M0HAS M0HAB
[21:05] <arko> but i want to believe the FCC gives that away
[21:05] <LeoBodnar> all taken
[21:05] <LeoBodnar> M0TOP M0PSI
[21:05] <LeoBodnar> too many RAs
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[21:06] <cm13g09> ChinaPost is making me a bit sad :(
[21:06] <mfa298> I did come across a list of what was available not that long ago
[21:06] Action: mfa298 goes to look
[21:06] <cm13g09> Still no sign of something 12 days after shipping
[21:06] <DL1SGP> cm13g09: why is that?
[21:06] <DL1SGP> ah
[21:06] <qyx_> 12 days?
[21:06] <Upu> well you need to pick something Leo
[21:06] <Upu> or you can't use APRS :)
[21:06] <cm13g09> qyx_: yeah
[21:06] <Upu> Can I kill B-20 from the tracker ?
[21:06] <qyx_> i am waiting more than 40 days
[21:07] <cm13g09> qyx_: :( Is this from Hackvana?
[21:07] <LeoBodnar> Sure Upu
[21:07] <qyx_> for some li-ions
[21:07] <cm13g09> ah no
[21:07] <qyx_> no, random ebay
[21:07] <mfa298> LeoBodnar: possibly a useful list https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/list_of_available_amateur_radio#incoming-428992
[21:07] <cm13g09> sadly, Mitch has had to switch to ChinaPost
[21:07] <cm13g09> rather than HK post
[21:07] <cm13g09> and this seems to have affected delivery schedules somewhat
[21:08] <cm13g09> pity that it seems to have lengthened them
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> cheers mfa298
[21:09] <Upu> that list isn't complete
[21:09] <Upu> as I'm not on there
[21:09] <mfa298> that might be a good thing, I think it's supposed to be the list of whats free
[21:09] <Upu> ah availble
[21:10] <mfa298> looks like the earliest that might be available is HME
[21:10] <Upu> starts at HME
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[21:12] <LeoBodnar> Does M0XER mean anything offensive in any language?
[21:14] <arko> moxer?
[21:14] <arko> i dont think so
[21:14] <DL1SGP> PB0NER should request M0ANS to run a QSO with ER3CT, too bad that M0ANS is taken :D
[21:14] <LeoBodnar> Hahah
[21:14] <LeoBodnar> I am going to take moxer, any objections or better offers?
[21:14] <arko> M0NO would be cool
[21:15] <ramm25> somebody try to launch cubesat?
[21:15] <arko> http://www.morewords.com/starts-with/mo/
[21:15] <arko> haha
[21:15] <arko> M0LE
[21:16] <Upu> M0XER nice and easy to remember :)
[21:17] <arko> yeah
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> Done MOXER it is
[21:17] <arko> M0M
[21:17] <Upu> congrats :)
[21:17] <arko> heh
[21:17] <arko> nice Leo!
[21:17] <DL1SGP> woot!
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> I also got 2E0TOY earlier
[21:17] <arko> M0ON
[21:17] <arko> thats a cool one
[21:18] <arko> you can get more than one?
[21:18] <LeoBodnar> Need to select a silly foundation sometime too
[21:18] <DL1SGP> you get 3 calls going for full licence arko
[21:18] <arko> woah!
[21:18] <DL1SGP> first you get foundation
[21:18] <arko> what!?
[21:18] <DL1SGP> then intermediate
[21:18] <LeoBodnar> Silly really
[21:18] <arko> i only got one :(
[21:18] <DL1SGP> then full
[21:18] <arko> N6ARA
[21:18] <LeoBodnar> Hah but cool!
[21:18] <arko> yeah
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[21:18] <LeoBodnar> Did you have to splash for it?
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[21:19] <arko> yeah
[21:19] <arko> i was KI6KGY before
[21:19] <arko> but that was lame
[21:19] <arko> so i paid for a vanity
[21:20] <LeoBodnar> I once paid $2000 for unsigned int
[21:20] <arko> wat
[21:20] <fsphil> I wanted MI0ZIM, but it was taken
[21:21] <LeoBodnar> Wait until he dies fsphil and snatch it
[21:21] <arko> haha
[21:21] <LeoBodnar> vendor id from USB consortium arko
[21:21] <fsphil> this is a plan worthy of ZIM!!
[21:22] <arko> ohh
[21:22] <arko> yeah that will cost $$$$$
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[21:31] <ramm25> B0:, =C GB> B0<, :>340 A;54CNI85 70?CA:8?
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[21:37] <LeoBodnar> ?>3>40 ?>:0 C60A=0O 745AL ramm25
[21:37] <LeoBodnar> 4>64L F5;K9 45=L 845B
[21:38] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, 0 2 =3;88 2A5340 ?;>E0O ?>3>40? O =01;N40N =0 http://sat24.com - ?>AB>O==> A 0@:B8:8 F8:;>=K 84CB. # 20A B0< A>;=F5 E>BL 8=>340 1K205B?
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[21:43] <LeoBodnar> ramm25: =5B =5 2A5340 :D, => ?>A;54=85 4=8 2A5 70BO=C;> 4>64O<8 A 0B;0=B8:8, @0AA>A5BAO A:>@>
[21:44] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, GB>6 ?>=OB=>, 1C45< 640BL
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[21:46] <LeoBodnar> C <5=O 0H 5<59; 70?8A0= B0: GB> 645< E>@>H59 ?>3>4K.
[21:47] <LeoBodnar> good hight / c?>:>9=>9 =>G8!
[21:47] <LeoBodnar> *Night duh!
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[21:52] <Laurenceb_> lol channel 4
[21:53] <DL7AD> ?
[21:53] <Laurenceb_> "date my porn star"
[21:54] <eroomde_> wow homeland
[21:54] <Laurenceb_> haha
[21:54] <Laurenceb_> its a _little_ nutty
[21:54] <DL1SGP> Laurenceb: heh, that sounds like a trip to silicon valley
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[21:55] <eroomde_> my experience of silicon valley definitely didn't involve porn stars
[21:55] <eroomde_> unless that's a different kind of silicon valley
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> what about ubuntu themes
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-tmGfQrzs&list=PL63CBFE81C0ECBF69
[21:57] <DL1SGP> unless the silicon valley you experienced was more the real thing compared to the valley between female body parts taht were protected from erosion effects by silicon modeling I would think it was something different @ eroomde_
[21:57] <ramm25> DL1SGP i'm gona sleep to
[21:57] <DL1SGP> sleep well ramm25, sweet dreams
[21:57] <arko> oh
[21:58] <arko> thats the wrong valley
[21:58] <ramm25> good night eweryone!
[21:58] Action: Laurenceb_ goes back to looking at usb state machine diagrams...
[21:58] <arko> San Fernando Valley is where like 85% of porn is filmed
[21:58] <arko> or something like that
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[21:58] <DL1SGP> I am not an expert on that area arko :)
[21:59] <arko> neither am i, but my old electronics work place use to be a studio
[21:59] <arko> we kept getting mail from people in jail
[21:59] <eroomde_> jonsowman: ping
[21:59] <arko> saying how they cant wait to get in the business when they get out
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[21:59] <arko> ok, enough story time from me
[21:59] <DL1SGP> heh
[22:02] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
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[22:07] <jonsowman> eroomde_: hello
[22:07] <eroomde_> https://twitter.com/raymond_blanc/status/392181104272474112
[22:07] <eroomde_> did he just blow it?
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[22:07] <jonsowman> !
[22:08] <jonsowman> oh wow
[22:08] <jonsowman> i think he might've
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> lolling
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> first time i ever saw something worth reading on twatter
[22:11] <arko> wow
[22:11] <jonsowman> http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/great-british-bake-off-ruby-2476058
[22:11] <jonsowman> lol
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[22:16] <ibanezmatt13> good night all
[22:16] <arko> night
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[22:17] <arko> https://twitter.com/raymond_blanc/status/392246903716319232
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[22:22] <fsphil> night? it's hard to tell
[22:22] <fsphil> it's all black
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[22:31] <arko> awww yiss, my pcbs arrived
[22:31] <arko> but im not home to get them
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[22:32] <fsphil> typical
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[22:34] <fsphil> I just accidently discovered that clicking on things with the mouse works in weechat
[22:34] <arko> hah
[22:34] <arko> woah
[22:34] <arko> weechat is an actual thing
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[22:35] <fsphil> yea
[22:35] <jonsowman> :`
[22:35] <jonsowman> what did you think it was? lol
[22:35] <fsphil> what did you think I meant? :)
[22:35] <arko> must be uk devs or something
[22:35] <arko> i thought you were refering to some other software that happens to be small and irc :P
[22:35] <arko> nvm
[22:35] <arko> i need to wake up
[22:36] <jonsowman> lol
[22:36] <fsphil> we need to have a wee chat
[22:36] <fsphil> and that's not a chat about wee
[22:36] <jonsowman> :D
[22:37] <fsphil> now if only clicking on a multi-line url opened it
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[22:39] <jonsowman> terminal's fault shirley?
[22:39] <arko> hah
[22:39] <fsphil> weechat is splitting them
[22:40] <jonsowman> oh i see
[22:40] <fsphil> to fit them into the text box
[22:40] <jonsowman> there's something charming about irssi's naivety
[22:40] <jonsowman> but iterm is just useless at urls
[22:41] <jonsowman> it's not hard, gnome term has done it properly for years
[22:41] <jonsowman> /rant
[22:41] <fsphil> that's what I'm in now
[22:41] <jonsowman> iterm?
[22:41] <fsphil> gnome terminal
[22:41] <fsphil> not heard of iterm
[22:41] <fsphil> a ubuntu thing?
[22:41] <jonsowman> os x thing
[22:41] <fsphil> ah
[22:42] <jonsowman> a replacement for apple's extraordinarily bad term emulator
[22:42] <jonsowman> which is fine in most respects
[22:42] <fsphil> hehe yea
[22:42] <jonsowman> but parsing URLs is apparently too much to ask
[22:42] <fsphil> the apple one is as basic as it could be
[22:42] <jonsowman> they dropped 256 color support because "nobody wants it"
[22:42] <jonsowman> anyway nvm
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